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Over here is really bad.
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It breeds psychopaths.
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I've been jumped.
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He is breaking her neck.
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I had to get out of the building
as quickly as I possibly could.
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The dead can't rest.
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I'm convinced it was
a homicide.
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He likes killing people.
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This is not a good situation.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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There's death here.
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Don't wanna go down there.
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I see dead people.
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They hide in the walls
and they watch.
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I speak to dead people...
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She's definitely
a serial killer.
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...and they speak to me.
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She's going to torture them.
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But there's only one way to know
if my findings are real.
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They were all murdered.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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So is this the only time
you've been physically attacked?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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There's no question in my mind
that he was talking about Satan.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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Who do you think
possessed you?
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But Steve and I
never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...until the very end.
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Well, you're not gonna want
to see this.
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When we uncover if it's safe
for you to stay...
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Hell, no.
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Or time to get out.
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Everyone is in jeopardy.
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I'm out here
in Sauk Centre, Minnesota.
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It's about 100 miles northwest
of Minneapolis.
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I got called in
by a woman named Kelley.
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Now she thought she was
doing a good thing for her town
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by buying and restoring
an historic hotel.
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But no good deed
goes unpunished.
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Activity in the building
is out of control,
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but she says she's not leaving
no matter what,
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so it's up to me and Amy
to find a solution.
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Before Amy arrives,
I clear the area
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of any leading information.
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This is a large space,
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and there are a lot of
historical photos and antiques.
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I need to cover or remove each
and every one of them.
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When I'm done, the location will
be ready for tonight's walk.
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There's, like,
a dead guy here.
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He's, like, being a stalker.
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All you see is a skeleton
with, like, sharp teeth,
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and he has a woman,
and he's holding her
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by the back
of her head and neck.
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He indicated that he murdered
her along with others.
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He is a killer.
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So, Kelley, when we spoke
on the phone,
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you sounded really upset
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about the things that are
happening here.
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I'm really glad you're here.
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The Palmer house is
so incredibly important to me.
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I want it to be here
for generations to come,
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and with the type of activity
that's going on,
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it's become a real concern,
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and now I begin to wonder
if it's even safe.
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What are some of
the experiences people are having?
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There's been a lot of things
that are going on,
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hearing footsteps,
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objects being moved,
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shadow figures,
and, in some cases,
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people are being
touched and pushed.
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I got to think, with all
the activity that's going on,
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it's got to be bad
for business.
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I definitely think
it is.
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I've had guests that
have left.
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It's frequent enough that
I actually created these binders
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for guests to be able
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to write their experiences down
themselves if they would like.
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I got to tell you, this is
pretty interesting stuff.
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What about employees?
Are they being affected?
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I've had employees
that have quit
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and mood shifts happen.
- Okay.
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They can become
very quarrelsome,
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very argumentative
with one another.
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And you think that has something
to do with what's going on here?
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I definitely think
it is.
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Is it affecting you at all?
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Sometimes,
I feel a little anxious
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and really angry
and short-tempered,
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but I can't imagine my life
anywhere but here.
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It has my heart.
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I love it with every fiber
of my being.
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I want to make it work,
but I need it to be safe.
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I walk in here
and my stomach drops,
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and I hear a woman
crying and screaming.
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This living woman,
she's just losing her...
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The killer,
the skeleton face dude,
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he's making me feel
extremely stressed out.
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Also, the living people here
will feel,
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sudden, extreme nausea
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and projectile vomiting.
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Okay, Kelley.
So what's going gonna in here?
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There's just sometimes
that I end up
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getting really sick
with no explanation.
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Okay. What kind of sick?
What are we talking about?
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Extreme nausea and terrible,
terrible headaches.
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When you're away from here,
does the symptoms go away?
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Yes, they do.
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Okay. Anything else?
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There's many times
I'm hearing voices.
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Okay.
So what kind of voices?
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Male, female.
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Sometimes, it's even children
laughing and playing.
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Kelley, in the building here,
I can hear people outside.
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I can hear people in the back,
here in the kitchen.
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How do you know
it's not that?
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There's many occasions
when it's happened,
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and we're already closed
for the night.
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Is there anything else
going on in here?
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One time, actually,
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when I was just passing
through the kitchen,
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this bowl on the end here
flew 10 feet across the kitchen.
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Well, this can't really
fall off of here.
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You're damn lucky that
it's that and not a knife.
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My feelings exactly.
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I'm seeing this living woman
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being pushed out of here.
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But I'm hearing, "Thrown,"
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and I see that the dead woman,
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that the skeleton-face guy
killed,
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is the one who's doing it.
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I don't think she likes
women very much.
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She's very tough.
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She's able to physically
interact with the living.
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And, yeah,
she doesn't like women.
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Okay, Kelley.
What's going on down here?
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There's a very,
very large black shadow
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that I've seen down here
on multiple occasions.
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Can you describe
what it looks like?
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Extremely tall,
very broad-shouldered.
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Because of the sheer size,
I tend to say man,
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but I don't know.
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You ever see him anyplace else
in the building?
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Sometimes upstairs.
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Okay.
Anything else going on?
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Well, the reason
I called you in for help
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was because I've been
jumped.
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What do you mean?
Like a spirit jumped you?
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- Yes.
- So what was the feeling like?
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It was absolutely like
somebody had complete control
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over my body.
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Did you get a sense of who
or what it might be?
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It felt like a man.
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I don't think that he
particularly cared for me.
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That was as intense
as it comes.
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So what do you think
this thing wants?
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You have any idea?
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I sometimes wonder if
it just wants me to leave.
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I'm not going anywhere.
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You're going to fight this.
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Every step of the way
for as long as I have to.
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This guy with
the skeleton-like face,
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I don't feel to comfortable here
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because I feel like
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I'm constantly having
to push him away from me
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because he can jump people.
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So are you saying
he's trying to jump you now?
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Yes, he's been trying to jump me
the whole time, the whole night.
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Do you have any idea
what he wants from the living?
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He indicated that
now he's death,
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and he's enjoying that.
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He likes killing people,
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and he would like
to continue doing that.
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So, Wyatt, I understand
you live at the hotel.
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- How long has that been?
- Been here around 7 months.
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Do you think this place
is dangerous?
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I wouldn't like to say
it was dangerous,
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but there has definitely
been times
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where I've been
a little worried.
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Okay.
So if you're uncomfortable,
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could I assume
you've had experiences?
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A few of them, yeah.
Absolutely.
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I hear these banging sounds.
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It's almost like a 30-pound
weight is being dropped.
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All right. So how do you know
it's not guests?
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Steve, I've been in this
building when I absolutely know
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there has been nobody else
in the building with me.
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Okay. Anything else?
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I was sleeping one night.
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All of a sudden, I felt like
somebody had laid in my bed
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and put their arm around me.
- All right.
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So can you actually feel
this person net to you?
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Yeah, and I could feel
the fingertips
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run across my chest,
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and as it's touching me,
I feel almost like
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being shocked
by an electric fence.
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What'd you do?
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I actually had thought about
climbing out of my window.
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I couldn't move, so I just
kind of laid there,
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and I just
kind of closed my eyes
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and just hoped that
it would go away.
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All right.
So anything else?
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So I went into the basement.
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As quick as snapping my fingers,
something had entered me.
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The insides of me, it was almost
like they had changed.
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My emotional state had changed.
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I felt like a sickness had just
kind of embedded inside of me.
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I had to get out of the building
as quickly as I possibly could.
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I know Kelley mentioned
about an experience she had
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where she felt she actually got
physically jumped by a spirit,
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and it sounds a lot like
what you're talking about.
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You think that's what
happened to you?
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- Yeah. Yeah, I do.
- Okay.
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So you're hearing noises
when people shouldn't be here.
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You're getting something
crawling into bed with you.
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You're getting...sounds like
jumped by a spirit
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in the basement,
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but yet you don't think
it's dangerous here.
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Yeah, I can see why you'd think
that that would be a problem,
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and, I, you know, sometimes,
it does worry me.
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Are you not taking it
as serious as you should?
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That's possible.
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The skeleton-face dude, he is
very protective of this area,
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so I think that he would
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probably get physical
with the living down here
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because he doesn't
want them down here.
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Over here is really bad.
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People would be pushed, hit,
slapped, punched.
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I don't know how many people
he's actually had
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to physically assault
to get them out of here.
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It seems like he does more
of the killing upstairs.
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Kelley is here all the time, and
you don't get here that often.
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You know, with some of
the stuff she talked about,
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it's pretty dangerous.
- Yeah. That's true.
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You know, the amount of time
she spends here, that scares me.
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I'm concerned about something,
you know, jumping on.
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I'm concerned about her
bringing something home.
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- Have you had any experiences?
- Yeah.
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We were downstairs with a group
of people and just really,
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all of a sudden,
it just turned black,
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couldn't really even see
the hand in front of your face.
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It startled me.
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Now you say you were
down there with a group.
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- What are you talking about?
- There was an investigation.
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All right, so you had
a paranormal investigative group
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in the building.
- Yes.
249
00:12:48,680 --> 00:12:51,314
Is that something
you regularly do here? Yeah.
250
00:12:51,316 --> 00:12:53,882
I gotta warn you,
Amy's not gonna like that.
251
00:12:53,884 --> 00:12:55,717
All right.
So any other experiences?
252
00:12:55,719 --> 00:12:58,620
Well, in this room,
I was here one evening,
253
00:12:58,622 --> 00:13:01,823
and there was this sound
of glasses clanking together,
254
00:13:01,825 --> 00:13:05,027
and a bottle on this back bar
just burst on its own.
255
00:13:05,029 --> 00:13:07,296
I mean, is it possible that
bottle already had a crack in it
256
00:13:07,298 --> 00:13:09,665
and just finally gave way?
- I suppose it's possible.
257
00:13:09,667 --> 00:13:12,134
To me, was hard to explain.
258
00:13:12,136 --> 00:13:14,870
I've learned one thing
from my partner is that
259
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when things get physical
like they are here,
260
00:13:16,841 --> 00:13:18,674
it's only gonna get worse.
261
00:13:22,513 --> 00:13:25,781
Wow. Okay.
There's a lot of residual here.
262
00:13:25,783 --> 00:13:27,783
A lot of residual.
263
00:13:27,785 --> 00:13:30,052
Now this is going back,
and so I'm seeing,
264
00:13:30,054 --> 00:13:34,924
like, people drinking,
partying, having a good time,
265
00:13:34,926 --> 00:13:40,062
and this looks like
a long time ago.
266
00:13:40,064 --> 00:13:43,499
So how might all this
residual affect living people?
267
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Wouldn't be surprised
if the living are
268
00:13:45,336 --> 00:13:50,706
hearing the partying
from way back in the day --
269
00:13:50,708 --> 00:13:53,609
glasses clinging,
chairs being moved,
270
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like, stuff like that.
271
00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,514
Or they'll hear bits
of conversation.
272
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Residual energy is funny because
it can cause health problems.
273
00:14:02,887 --> 00:14:03,886
Like?
274
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Having flu symptoms
or cold symptoms.
275
00:14:06,023 --> 00:14:07,390
Like, getting sick often.
276
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I talked to a bunch of people
who spend time
277
00:14:11,295 --> 00:14:12,661
at the Palmer House...
278
00:14:12,663 --> 00:14:16,165
One time I was here,
I heard a loud explosion,
279
00:14:16,167 --> 00:14:17,699
like a bomb went off.
280
00:14:17,701 --> 00:14:19,802
...and all of them
had strange things happen
281
00:14:19,804 --> 00:14:21,503
that they couldn't explain.
282
00:14:21,505 --> 00:14:24,373
I stayed overnight,
third-floor room upstairs,
283
00:14:24,375 --> 00:14:28,244
and I had a big wicker chair
move on its own.
284
00:14:28,246 --> 00:14:31,447
As a cop, I always look for
witnesses whose stories match.
285
00:14:31,449 --> 00:14:32,982
And just about everyone here
286
00:14:32,984 --> 00:14:34,784
talked about seeing
shadow figures.
287
00:14:34,786 --> 00:14:38,354
I can tell you about my most
emotional, scary experience.
288
00:14:38,356 --> 00:14:39,588
One time, in the basement,
289
00:14:39,590 --> 00:14:41,923
I was shoved by
a big black shadow figure.
290
00:14:41,925 --> 00:14:43,859
Can you describe
what it looked like?
291
00:14:43,861 --> 00:14:46,128
An outline, a silhouette
of a man in a suit
292
00:14:46,130 --> 00:14:47,662
with very broad shoulders,
293
00:14:47,664 --> 00:14:51,534
and his head went all the way up
to the top of the doorway.
294
00:14:51,536 --> 00:14:53,402
Okay.
295
00:14:53,404 --> 00:14:56,705
There's just a lot
of people.
296
00:14:56,707 --> 00:15:00,275
Kind of looked like
shadow people, but they're not.
297
00:15:00,277 --> 00:15:02,278
I don't know
what they're doing here.
298
00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:03,812
I don't know why.
299
00:15:03,814 --> 00:15:07,449
I would say, like, five or six.
300
00:15:07,451 --> 00:15:09,685
It seems that they're men.
301
00:15:09,687 --> 00:15:17,626
They seem confused,
and they seem a little crazy.
302
00:15:17,628 --> 00:15:19,361
How would the living
be affected by them?
303
00:15:19,363 --> 00:15:24,833
I think being exposed to them
would make a living person angry
304
00:15:24,835 --> 00:15:27,236
and kind of nuts.
305
00:15:42,103 --> 00:15:44,603
Look, this is a small town,
and the Palmer House
306
00:15:44,605 --> 00:15:47,273
is probably the most important
local landmark.
307
00:15:47,275 --> 00:15:49,808
So all the historian types
know all about it.
308
00:15:49,810 --> 00:15:52,144
But one woman
just called me back and says
309
00:15:52,146 --> 00:15:55,481
the man who owned the property
before it became this hotel
310
00:15:55,483 --> 00:15:57,783
has a story I'm definitely
gonna wanna know about.
311
00:16:02,623 --> 00:16:03,889
So, Jill, thanks
for reaching out to me.
312
00:16:03,891 --> 00:16:06,125
I appreciate that.
Who was this guy?
313
00:16:06,127 --> 00:16:08,861
Yeah, that would have been
Cassius Sprigg.
314
00:16:08,863 --> 00:16:11,263
He was one of
the early pioneers in town.
315
00:16:11,265 --> 00:16:14,066
Okay. So what was so interesting
about this guy?
316
00:16:14,068 --> 00:16:16,802
He was a soldier in one of
the bloodiest battles
317
00:16:16,804 --> 00:16:18,671
between settlers
and Native Americans.
318
00:16:18,673 --> 00:16:20,673
Okay. So now tell me about
this battle.
319
00:16:20,675 --> 00:16:23,775
He was just, like, 15 years old
when he fought in the battle
320
00:16:23,777 --> 00:16:25,478
that become known
as the Battle of Ridgely.
321
00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,446
It's about 90 miles south
of here.
322
00:16:27,448 --> 00:16:29,281
- And this kid was only 15?
- Yes, he was.
323
00:16:29,283 --> 00:16:31,083
That was not uncommon
for that time.
324
00:16:31,085 --> 00:16:33,552
Okay. So how does this
bloody battle end?
325
00:16:33,554 --> 00:16:35,854
Well, on December 26, 1862,
326
00:16:35,856 --> 00:16:38,991
38 Native Americans
were hung.
327
00:16:38,993 --> 00:16:42,928
To this day, it's the largest
mass execution in history.
328
00:16:42,930 --> 00:16:45,464
Jeez.
329
00:16:48,269 --> 00:16:51,771
I'm seeing a woman,
and she is hanging herself.
330
00:16:55,009 --> 00:16:59,612
The skeleton-face guy,
he is breaking her neck.
331
00:16:59,614 --> 00:17:01,880
He's directly involved.
332
00:17:01,882 --> 00:17:03,883
He's killing people,
333
00:17:03,885 --> 00:17:07,686
actually killing them.
334
00:17:07,688 --> 00:17:11,090
This land is very, very bad.
335
00:17:11,092 --> 00:17:13,559
It draws the dead in.
336
00:17:13,561 --> 00:17:18,030
The dead can't rest,
so it's like a gathering place.
337
00:17:18,032 --> 00:17:20,399
It breeds psychopaths.
338
00:17:22,603 --> 00:17:24,136
Okay.
So now the war's over.
339
00:17:24,138 --> 00:17:26,071
When does Cassius get ahold
of my client's property?
340
00:17:26,073 --> 00:17:27,907
He would have bought it
in 1898.
341
00:17:27,909 --> 00:17:29,375
- Okay.
- It was a hotel
342
00:17:29,377 --> 00:17:32,511
called the Sauk Centre House
at the time.
343
00:17:32,513 --> 00:17:34,246
It was not
a great investment.
344
00:17:34,248 --> 00:17:37,049
- Why?
- On June 27, 1900,
345
00:17:37,051 --> 00:17:38,717
it burned completely
to the ground.
346
00:17:38,719 --> 00:17:41,253
All right.
This poor guy had the property 2 years and lost everything.
347
00:17:41,255 --> 00:17:43,456
Yes. Now, there have been
several fires
348
00:17:43,458 --> 00:17:44,790
on that property
over the years.
349
00:17:44,792 --> 00:17:46,258
You might want
to look into that.
350
00:17:46,260 --> 00:17:48,027
That's interesting.
Okay. I will.
351
00:17:48,029 --> 00:17:50,262
Okay. Any idea what started
this fire?
352
00:17:50,264 --> 00:17:52,431
It started in the kitchen,
they believe.
353
00:17:52,433 --> 00:17:53,666
- Anybody die?
- No.
354
00:17:53,668 --> 00:17:55,468
There were 30 guests
in the hotel at the time.
355
00:17:55,470 --> 00:17:56,802
There were no fatalities.
356
00:17:56,804 --> 00:17:58,069
Okay, but it's destroyed
totally.
357
00:17:58,071 --> 00:18:00,272
- Completely.
- What happens next?
358
00:18:00,274 --> 00:18:02,341
He collected
the insurance money
359
00:18:02,343 --> 00:18:04,977
and then sold it
to the family, the Palmers.
360
00:18:04,979 --> 00:18:07,913
Who built the hotel
that's there today. Correct.
361
00:18:07,915 --> 00:18:09,681
Okay. So what happens to him
after he sells the property
362
00:18:09,683 --> 00:18:10,883
to the Palmers?
363
00:18:10,885 --> 00:18:12,752
Well, his fortune seemed
to change after that.
364
00:18:12,754 --> 00:18:14,553
He went into banking.
365
00:18:14,555 --> 00:18:16,756
By the end of his life,
he owned 12 banks.
366
00:18:16,758 --> 00:18:18,157
Okay.
So he it turns out this fire
367
00:18:18,159 --> 00:18:19,958
might have been
a good thing for him.
368
00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,027
You can look at it that way.
369
00:18:24,432 --> 00:18:26,298
I'm trying to figure out
370
00:18:26,300 --> 00:18:30,168
who this skeleton-face guy was
when he was alive.
371
00:18:30,170 --> 00:18:34,340
He had a lot of money,
something with a bank.
372
00:18:34,342 --> 00:18:37,710
I'm seeing a bank had
a direct connection here.
373
00:18:37,712 --> 00:18:39,578
Do you know when this was?
374
00:18:39,580 --> 00:18:42,848
Around 1890.
375
00:18:42,850 --> 00:18:44,850
He's protecting something.
376
00:18:44,852 --> 00:18:47,253
I know that this is part
of his secret.
377
00:18:50,624 --> 00:18:54,860
He admits to killing people
when he was alive.
378
00:18:54,862 --> 00:18:57,263
He let that slip out.
379
00:18:57,265 --> 00:18:59,465
He's pissed.
380
00:19:03,270 --> 00:19:05,604
Jill said there were
other fires on the property,
381
00:19:05,606 --> 00:19:07,306
and it turns out she's right.
382
00:19:07,308 --> 00:19:09,808
I'm headed over to meet with
the city's former fire chief,
383
00:19:09,810 --> 00:19:11,276
who dug through
the records for me
384
00:19:11,278 --> 00:19:13,846
and found four major fires
on the land.
385
00:19:19,820 --> 00:19:21,153
Now, John, you mentioned
on the phone
386
00:19:21,155 --> 00:19:22,621
that there were
four major fires
387
00:19:22,623 --> 00:19:24,022
at the property
I'm investigating.
388
00:19:24,024 --> 00:19:26,425
Now I know one happened
in 1900.
389
00:19:26,427 --> 00:19:28,627
I know there's three more.
Let's start with the first one.
390
00:19:28,629 --> 00:19:31,630
Okay. It was back
in September of 1873.
391
00:19:31,632 --> 00:19:32,898
The fire was in the barn.
392
00:19:32,900 --> 00:19:35,568
They believe it had
caught on fire
393
00:19:35,570 --> 00:19:38,603
from a cigar discarded
into a bale of hay.
394
00:19:38,605 --> 00:19:40,572
All right.
Was anybody injured or killed?
395
00:19:40,574 --> 00:19:42,508
No injured or nobody killed.
396
00:19:42,510 --> 00:19:45,711
All right, John.
So what about the second fire?
397
00:19:45,713 --> 00:19:49,081
February of 1885,
there was a large fire.
398
00:19:49,083 --> 00:19:52,785
I'm not sure where or how
it started.
399
00:19:52,787 --> 00:19:54,186
One oddity to it is that
400
00:19:54,188 --> 00:19:57,122
the current owner of
that building at that time
401
00:19:57,124 --> 00:19:58,991
was the Sauk Centre
Fire Chief.
402
00:19:58,993 --> 00:20:00,326
Jeez. Okay.
403
00:20:00,328 --> 00:20:02,994
So now we got three fires
on my client's property.
404
00:20:02,996 --> 00:20:04,329
What about the fourth one?
405
00:20:04,331 --> 00:20:09,201
July 31, 1905. It happened
at the Palmer House.
406
00:20:09,203 --> 00:20:12,872
And as you can see, it looks
pretty much as it does today.
407
00:20:12,874 --> 00:20:16,609
And it was quite big news
at the time.
408
00:20:16,611 --> 00:20:19,344
According to this, boarders
jumped from the windows?
409
00:20:19,346 --> 00:20:22,414
There was eight employees,
I believe, on the second floor
410
00:20:22,416 --> 00:20:25,451
that were trapped which had
to jump out of the building,
411
00:20:25,453 --> 00:20:28,620
onto a canopy.
- Wow.
412
00:20:28,622 --> 00:20:30,956
Yeah, desperate times,
desperate measures.
413
00:20:30,958 --> 00:20:33,225
You know, over a 30-year-period,
you got four major fires,
414
00:20:33,227 --> 00:20:36,094
two really bad ones.
- Yes.
415
00:20:36,096 --> 00:20:38,297
And I'm just shocked that
nobody got injured or killed.
416
00:20:38,299 --> 00:20:39,931
It's amazing.
417
00:20:53,281 --> 00:20:55,914
Getting, like, a lot of smoke.
418
00:20:55,916 --> 00:20:58,717
Yeah, there's a lot of smoke
up here.
419
00:20:58,719 --> 00:21:02,121
I'm seeing a woman,
and she can't get out.
420
00:21:02,123 --> 00:21:04,289
I don't know what this is.
421
00:21:04,291 --> 00:21:06,058
She is panicked.
422
00:21:06,060 --> 00:21:08,527
She feels very dizzy,
lightheaded.
423
00:21:10,531 --> 00:21:12,530
She can't breathe.
424
00:21:18,139 --> 00:21:19,872
I- I don't feel good.
425
00:21:19,874 --> 00:21:21,507
This is bad.
426
00:21:28,616 --> 00:21:31,016
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427
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428
00:21:32,553 --> 00:21:34,486
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429
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430
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431
00:21:40,094 --> 00:21:41,160
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432
00:21:48,202 --> 00:21:50,869
So far, I've got
employees and guests
433
00:21:50,871 --> 00:21:52,604
being tormented
by bizarre activity
434
00:21:52,606 --> 00:21:56,842
on a property devastated
by four mysterious fires.
435
00:21:56,844 --> 00:21:59,311
But I wanna see
if there's anything else.
436
00:21:59,313 --> 00:22:02,080
Searching through old records,
I find a local police officer
437
00:22:02,082 --> 00:22:04,216
named Jason Rosenburger.
438
00:22:04,218 --> 00:22:06,752
Turns out, Jason was found dead
right down the street
439
00:22:06,754 --> 00:22:08,754
from the Palmer House.
440
00:22:08,756 --> 00:22:10,889
So I have a local reporter
441
00:22:10,891 --> 00:22:12,624
looking into
this cop's death for me.
442
00:22:12,626 --> 00:22:15,093
He did some digging and said
not only did he figure out
443
00:22:15,095 --> 00:22:16,395
what happened to this guy,
444
00:22:16,397 --> 00:22:18,897
but he found another death
associated with the Palmer House
445
00:22:18,899 --> 00:22:20,499
that may help me out.
446
00:22:25,940 --> 00:22:28,774
Mark, this article I came across
where the cop wound up dead,
447
00:22:28,776 --> 00:22:30,976
what were you able
to find out?
448
00:22:30,978 --> 00:22:33,578
On April 17, 1929,
449
00:22:33,580 --> 00:22:36,348
Jason Rosenburger was
a policeman,
450
00:22:36,350 --> 00:22:40,452
also night patrol,
was found dead at City Hall.
451
00:22:40,454 --> 00:22:41,854
How far is this
from the Palmer House?
452
00:22:41,856 --> 00:22:43,955
Approximately 500 feet.
453
00:22:43,957 --> 00:22:45,891
In fact, the last person
to see him alive
454
00:22:45,893 --> 00:22:48,393
was the night clerk
at the Palmer House.
455
00:22:48,395 --> 00:22:49,928
I know this guy got shot,
456
00:22:49,930 --> 00:22:51,463
so do we know
where the bullet entered?
457
00:22:51,465 --> 00:22:53,999
Next to his nose,
just right underneath the eye.
458
00:22:54,001 --> 00:22:55,634
So I'm assuming
this is a homicide.
459
00:22:55,636 --> 00:22:56,702
Not necessarily.
460
00:22:56,704 --> 00:22:58,604
The coroner's jury came back
461
00:22:58,606 --> 00:23:01,139
and said it was accidental
discharge of the firearm.
462
00:23:01,141 --> 00:23:02,674
All right.
So if it's accidental,
463
00:23:02,676 --> 00:23:04,843
I guess a round
from his firearm was missing,
464
00:23:04,845 --> 00:23:06,311
and that's what
he shot himself with.
465
00:23:06,313 --> 00:23:08,947
Well, that's where it gets
interesting, because the round
466
00:23:08,949 --> 00:23:12,151
that they found
did not match his gun.
467
00:23:12,153 --> 00:23:15,354
Plus, his gun was
still fully loaded.
468
00:23:15,356 --> 00:23:18,624
So how the hell is this
an accidental shooting?
469
00:23:18,626 --> 00:23:19,892
That, I don't know.
470
00:23:19,894 --> 00:23:22,227
To me, it's a homicide.
471
00:23:22,229 --> 00:23:23,394
I mean, it sounds almost like
472
00:23:23,396 --> 00:23:25,764
there's something being
covered up.
473
00:23:27,768 --> 00:23:29,434
Somebody lost their left eye.
474
00:23:29,436 --> 00:23:32,871
It's a male.
475
00:23:32,873 --> 00:23:36,508
This male is getting shot,
definitely a shooting.
476
00:23:36,510 --> 00:23:39,744
The guy in there
got shot in the eye.
477
00:23:39,746 --> 00:23:42,247
I'm not being able
to see out of it.
478
00:23:42,249 --> 00:23:44,816
He could absolutely be
in denial.
479
00:23:44,818 --> 00:23:46,684
So, Mark, you mentioned
on the phone
480
00:23:46,686 --> 00:23:48,587
there was another death
that might help my case. Yes.
481
00:23:48,589 --> 00:23:52,257
Back in 1870, there was
a freed slave named Mose
482
00:23:52,259 --> 00:23:54,126
that lived and worked
at the property
483
00:23:54,128 --> 00:23:55,360
you're investigating.
484
00:23:55,362 --> 00:23:57,596
It was called the Barnum Hotel
at that time.
485
00:23:57,598 --> 00:23:59,131
So do we know anything
about this guy Mose?
486
00:23:59,133 --> 00:24:01,733
Well, it was known that
he was terrified of ghosts.
487
00:24:01,735 --> 00:24:05,337
And also, he had experienced
some paranormal activity
488
00:24:05,339 --> 00:24:06,872
at the Barnum Hotel.
489
00:24:06,874 --> 00:24:08,607
Well, this is something
new I've never come across.
490
00:24:08,609 --> 00:24:12,544
So back in 1870, somebody
was having experiences
491
00:24:12,546 --> 00:24:14,780
on the property
I'm investigating now.
492
00:24:14,782 --> 00:24:16,815
- Correct.
- How did he die?
493
00:24:16,817 --> 00:24:19,818
A couple of local boys
wanted to pull a prank on him,
494
00:24:19,820 --> 00:24:21,253
dress up as ghosts.
495
00:24:21,255 --> 00:24:24,523
They hid in the hotel,
and everywhere he turned,
496
00:24:24,525 --> 00:24:26,458
he'd run into a ghost,
and he got so scared
497
00:24:26,460 --> 00:24:28,360
he just ran off into
the woods,
498
00:24:28,362 --> 00:24:30,162
and he ended up spending
the night out there.
499
00:24:30,164 --> 00:24:32,764
It was a cold and rainy night.
500
00:24:32,766 --> 00:24:34,900
Right. So did this guy
die out in the woods?
501
00:24:34,902 --> 00:24:36,501
No. They found him
the next morning,
502
00:24:36,503 --> 00:24:39,571
and he was horribly sick,
brought him back to the hotel,
503
00:24:39,573 --> 00:24:42,141
where he later died
on your client's property.
504
00:24:48,249 --> 00:24:51,049
I saw several disturbing
things during my walk,
505
00:24:51,051 --> 00:24:53,518
but two stood out.
506
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,455
First, the shadows figures
who hang out upstairs.
507
00:24:57,457 --> 00:24:58,657
There was one crawling
on the ceiling.
508
00:24:58,659 --> 00:25:00,592
There was one
crawling up the wall,
509
00:25:00,594 --> 00:25:05,263
and then others that were
just really fragmented.
510
00:25:05,265 --> 00:25:10,135
One looked like he was dripping,
like, chunks of tar.
511
00:25:10,137 --> 00:25:12,871
Next, I described
the skeleton-face man
512
00:25:12,873 --> 00:25:15,807
attacking the living.
513
00:25:15,809 --> 00:25:18,009
There was this dead guy,
514
00:25:18,011 --> 00:25:21,213
and he was pretty tall,
really thin,
515
00:25:21,215 --> 00:25:24,649
and he was punching
a living person.
516
00:25:31,024 --> 00:25:33,091
Amy, is this what
you saw?
517
00:25:33,093 --> 00:25:34,927
Yes, that's what I saw.
518
00:25:44,495 --> 00:25:47,964
Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
519
00:25:47,966 --> 00:25:50,166
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
520
00:25:50,168 --> 00:25:52,835
and our clients
for the first time.
521
00:25:52,837 --> 00:25:54,304
Well, Amy, I want you
to meet Kelley.
522
00:25:54,306 --> 00:25:57,173
She owns the hotel and called us
in because activity is bad
523
00:25:57,175 --> 00:25:58,608
and it's getting worse.
524
00:25:58,610 --> 00:25:59,943
I got to be up front
with something.
525
00:25:59,945 --> 00:26:02,579
No matter what you say tonight,
she ain't leaving.
526
00:26:04,715 --> 00:26:06,783
Wyatt's been living here
for about 7 months,
527
00:26:06,785 --> 00:26:09,018
and he's already been through
a hell of a lot,
528
00:26:09,020 --> 00:26:10,320
and I don't think
it's going to take a lot
529
00:26:10,322 --> 00:26:11,921
to convince him to move.
530
00:26:11,923 --> 00:26:13,689
But they're hoping
you can figure out a way
531
00:26:13,691 --> 00:26:16,258
to make this place safe.
532
00:26:16,260 --> 00:26:18,060
So now that
Amy has met you guys,
533
00:26:18,062 --> 00:26:20,196
I'm going to ask her
to describe her walk for us.
534
00:26:24,035 --> 00:26:27,837
I got that this was
a gathering spot for the dead,
535
00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:30,739
and it has been for
a very, very long time,
536
00:26:30,741 --> 00:26:32,675
and because of that,
537
00:26:32,677 --> 00:26:35,811
there is
this huge collection
538
00:26:35,813 --> 00:26:40,216
of residual information.
539
00:26:40,218 --> 00:26:43,252
I think that living would
maybe hear partying going on.
540
00:26:43,254 --> 00:26:45,555
You'd hear, like, glasses
clinking, chairs moving,
541
00:26:45,557 --> 00:26:47,156
people walking around.
542
00:26:47,158 --> 00:26:51,493
If you're consistently exposed
to this kind of energy,
543
00:26:51,495 --> 00:26:53,696
it can make somebody sick.
544
00:26:53,698 --> 00:26:55,031
Well, it's funny.
545
00:26:55,033 --> 00:26:57,200
You hit on some of
the experiences they're having.
546
00:26:57,202 --> 00:26:58,701
Now, Wyatt,
you mentioned it sounded like
547
00:26:58,703 --> 00:27:00,102
somebody dropped a...
548
00:27:00,104 --> 00:27:02,371
30-pound weight above me,
and it's during a time
549
00:27:02,373 --> 00:27:05,308
when I know
there's nobody in the hotel.
550
00:27:05,310 --> 00:27:08,577
- Kelley, you've heard footsteps.
- That's very common.
551
00:27:08,579 --> 00:27:11,581
I've had other guests
talk about that as well.
552
00:27:11,583 --> 00:27:16,018
Now, Kelley, and you as well,
Wyatt, told me about being sick.
553
00:27:16,020 --> 00:27:21,390
There are some days that
it's just unexplainable fatigue,
554
00:27:21,392 --> 00:27:22,859
the headache, nausea...
555
00:27:22,861 --> 00:27:25,194
...feeling a little off-balance
or dizzy.
556
00:27:25,196 --> 00:27:27,397
I get the exact same
kind of feeling.
557
00:27:28,533 --> 00:27:31,200
Sick to my stomach,
a little woozy.
558
00:27:31,202 --> 00:27:34,069
Amy, you said you got a lot
of residual information.
559
00:27:34,071 --> 00:27:38,675
Well, this building we're
sitting in was built in 1901.
560
00:27:38,677 --> 00:27:41,177
I have a photo right around
when it was built.
561
00:27:41,179 --> 00:27:44,981
There's been a hotel on this
property since at least 1867.
562
00:27:44,983 --> 00:27:47,316
You can imagine, there's been
a lot of people over the years
563
00:27:47,318 --> 00:27:49,018
that have come through here.
564
00:27:49,020 --> 00:27:50,520
That totally makes sense
565
00:27:50,522 --> 00:27:52,855
with all the residual energy
that's here.
566
00:27:56,093 --> 00:27:57,526
Okay, so what else?
567
00:27:57,528 --> 00:27:58,961
So I'm on the third floor.
568
00:27:58,963 --> 00:28:03,499
I'm literally tasting smoke
in my mouth and coughing.
569
00:28:03,501 --> 00:28:06,569
Then I'm feeling this woman,
but she was all alone
570
00:28:06,571 --> 00:28:08,771
and she was freaking out,
so she was panicking, too,
571
00:28:08,773 --> 00:28:09,772
which was making it worse
572
00:28:09,774 --> 00:28:11,641
because she was
breathing more in.
573
00:28:11,643 --> 00:28:13,109
There's something
you should know about, Amy,
574
00:28:13,111 --> 00:28:14,410
about this place.
575
00:28:14,412 --> 00:28:16,512
There were
four major fires here.
576
00:28:16,514 --> 00:28:18,047
Holy...
577
00:28:18,049 --> 00:28:20,016
First fire happened in 1873
578
00:28:20,018 --> 00:28:22,985
when this hotel was known
as the Sauk Centre House.
579
00:28:22,987 --> 00:28:26,322
Here's a photo of
the original hotel.
580
00:28:26,324 --> 00:28:28,324
Then in February of 1885,
581
00:28:28,326 --> 00:28:30,626
the Sauk Centre Hotel
partially burned down.
582
00:28:30,628 --> 00:28:32,328
Records are kind of thin
on that fire,
583
00:28:32,330 --> 00:28:35,131
so we don't know what happened,
but nobody was hurt.
584
00:28:35,133 --> 00:28:36,733
The next fire was in 1900,
585
00:28:36,735 --> 00:28:38,100
and this one started
in the kitchen.
586
00:28:38,102 --> 00:28:41,537
Once again, no casualties,
but the building was destroyed.
587
00:28:41,539 --> 00:28:43,606
After that fire,
this hotel was built.
588
00:28:43,608 --> 00:28:47,610
Now, the final fire happened
in July of 1905
589
00:28:47,612 --> 00:28:49,312
at about 2:45 a.m.,
590
00:28:49,314 --> 00:28:50,613
and that was the scariest one.
591
00:28:50,615 --> 00:28:53,882
They had 45 employees and guests
in the hotel at the time.
592
00:28:53,884 --> 00:28:56,485
They were forced to evacuate,
but eight of those people
593
00:28:56,487 --> 00:28:58,954
were trapped upstairs
on the second floor.
594
00:28:58,956 --> 00:29:00,556
They had to jump out
of the window...
595
00:29:00,558 --> 00:29:03,659
...onto the old canvas tarps
to escape.
596
00:29:03,661 --> 00:29:06,562
I actually have an article
on that fire.
597
00:29:06,564 --> 00:29:08,430
Now, the building
was badly damaged.
598
00:29:08,432 --> 00:29:11,367
But amazingly enough, again,
there was no casualties.
599
00:29:11,369 --> 00:29:14,037
- That's a lot of fires.
- I did not know that.
600
00:29:16,174 --> 00:29:19,808
So I'm in the dining room,
and now I'm getting this guy.
601
00:29:19,810 --> 00:29:21,743
And he's shot
in one of his eyes,
602
00:29:21,745 --> 00:29:23,780
'cause I couldn't see
out of the eye.
603
00:29:23,782 --> 00:29:29,118
He is a dead person,
but he's in denial.
604
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,456
I did come across one individual
that was shot in the eye,
605
00:29:33,458 --> 00:29:35,524
and his name was
Jason Rosenburger.
606
00:29:35,526 --> 00:29:39,495
Yeah, he was a Sauk Centre
policeman and a night watchman. Wow.
607
00:29:39,497 --> 00:29:42,465
April 17, 1929, his body
was found in the old City Hall,
608
00:29:42,467 --> 00:29:43,999
less than 500 feet from here.
609
00:29:44,001 --> 00:29:47,536
In fact, the Palmer House Hotel
was on Rosenburger's beat,
610
00:29:47,538 --> 00:29:49,205
and the night that he died,
611
00:29:49,207 --> 00:29:51,673
this was the last location
he was seen alive.
612
00:29:51,675 --> 00:29:54,276
He had been shot in the face,
and the bullet entered
613
00:29:54,278 --> 00:29:55,812
just underneath his eye.
614
00:29:55,814 --> 00:29:58,815
Now the coroner's jury decided
it was an accidental death.
615
00:29:58,817 --> 00:30:00,349
I don't buy it.
616
00:30:00,351 --> 00:30:02,885
The bullet on the scene didn't
match the bullets in his gun.
617
00:30:02,887 --> 00:30:06,355
Not only that, no round
was discharged from his firearm.
618
00:30:06,357 --> 00:30:08,056
I'm convinced it was a homicide.
619
00:30:08,058 --> 00:30:09,225
I...Yeah.
620
00:30:09,227 --> 00:30:10,860
- You agree?
- Absolutely.
621
00:30:10,862 --> 00:30:12,562
Whatever happened,
happened so quick.
622
00:30:12,564 --> 00:30:17,100
He had no knowledge because he's
in complete denial of his death.
623
00:30:17,102 --> 00:30:19,235
I- I didn't know any of this,
624
00:30:19,237 --> 00:30:22,705
and everything is
so much more real.
625
00:30:27,779 --> 00:30:30,846
So another thing that I saw --
now we're going back up
626
00:30:30,848 --> 00:30:32,314
to the third floor,
627
00:30:32,316 --> 00:30:36,018
and I see about
four to six shadow beings,
628
00:30:36,020 --> 00:30:39,321
and I knew
pretty damn quickly
629
00:30:39,323 --> 00:30:42,658
that they were
actually dead men,
630
00:30:42,660 --> 00:30:44,159
and the thing is,
is that these are
631
00:30:44,161 --> 00:30:46,262
severely mentally ill people.
632
00:30:46,264 --> 00:30:50,766
I think the biggest problem
with this for the living
633
00:30:50,768 --> 00:30:55,004
is that, when you're exposed
to that kind of energy,
634
00:30:55,006 --> 00:30:59,642
you're going to start having
behavioral changes yourself --
635
00:30:59,644 --> 00:31:04,680
anger, acting kind of off
would begin to happen.
636
00:31:04,682 --> 00:31:06,282
I've noticed that myself.
637
00:31:06,284 --> 00:31:08,016
In yourself?
Even in myself.
638
00:31:08,018 --> 00:31:11,854
What kind of thoughts
or emotions were you having?
639
00:31:11,856 --> 00:31:15,123
A lot of anxiety, panicky,
a lot of nervousness
640
00:31:15,125 --> 00:31:17,159
that came out of nowhere.
641
00:31:17,161 --> 00:31:19,862
There's days where
all of the employees,
642
00:31:19,864 --> 00:31:22,698
there can just be
very erratic,
643
00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:24,900
unreasonable behavior,
actually.
644
00:31:24,902 --> 00:31:27,370
- Really?
- You got a hotel here.
645
00:31:27,372 --> 00:31:28,704
Why don't you
just sell it, right?
646
00:31:28,706 --> 00:31:32,140
But I want you to tell Amy
how important this is.
647
00:31:32,142 --> 00:31:35,511
I have come to take it
very personal and very seriously
648
00:31:35,513 --> 00:31:37,113
that this is my purpose,
649
00:31:37,115 --> 00:31:41,817
and my life is to be
the steward for it now.
650
00:31:41,819 --> 00:31:43,185
And this is why, I told you
at the beginning,
651
00:31:43,187 --> 00:31:44,686
she's not giving up.
652
00:31:44,688 --> 00:31:46,222
She's not moving.
653
00:31:46,224 --> 00:31:47,789
The crazy people
that look like shadows,
654
00:31:47,791 --> 00:31:50,259
now would the living see that?
655
00:31:50,261 --> 00:31:52,261
Or is that something
only you saw?
656
00:31:52,263 --> 00:31:56,332
I do think that the living would
occasionally see shadow figures,
657
00:31:56,334 --> 00:31:59,969
and I had a sketch done
of specifically what I saw.
658
00:32:11,349 --> 00:32:13,382
Here you go, guys.
659
00:32:19,490 --> 00:32:22,625
I gotta say that that's exactly
kind of how it feels.
660
00:32:22,627 --> 00:32:25,628
It just feels like
I'm falling apart.
661
00:32:25,630 --> 00:32:30,233
Just about everyone I talked
to here has seen shadow figures.
662
00:32:30,235 --> 00:32:32,902
Other guests have shared
with me... Right.
663
00:32:32,904 --> 00:32:34,136
...lots of
different things... Yeah.
664
00:32:34,138 --> 00:32:35,905
...that are fairly extreme.
665
00:32:35,907 --> 00:32:37,807
What did you consider
extreme?
666
00:32:37,809 --> 00:32:39,475
On the ceiling, for example.
667
00:32:39,477 --> 00:32:41,344
- Yeah.
- Up the wall.
668
00:32:41,346 --> 00:32:42,711
That would be terrifying.
669
00:32:42,713 --> 00:32:45,047
Yeah.
I would think so, yeah.
670
00:32:45,049 --> 00:32:47,116
Kelley here has seen
specific shadow figures
671
00:32:47,118 --> 00:32:48,717
down here in this basement.
672
00:32:48,719 --> 00:32:49,852
He is so big.
673
00:32:49,854 --> 00:32:54,222
His mass is so wide
and he's so tall.
674
00:32:54,224 --> 00:32:57,459
- Is that what she's seeing?
- No. Mnh-mnh, no.
675
00:32:57,461 --> 00:32:59,928
- That's somebody else.
- Ooh.
676
00:32:59,930 --> 00:33:01,797
- That's not good news.
- Yeah.
677
00:33:04,535 --> 00:33:07,937
So one of the dead people
that I encountered
678
00:33:07,939 --> 00:33:11,874
was a dead woman
who was murdered.
679
00:33:11,876 --> 00:33:14,944
She was murdered by the guy
that she was with,
680
00:33:14,946 --> 00:33:18,281
and he's here,
and he's very active here,
681
00:33:18,283 --> 00:33:20,082
but I'll get to him
in a second.
682
00:33:20,084 --> 00:33:23,586
The woman is most active
in the kitchen.
683
00:33:23,588 --> 00:33:25,955
She can get physical
with the living,
684
00:33:25,957 --> 00:33:28,991
and I did see her pushing
a female
685
00:33:28,993 --> 00:33:30,759
out one of the doors
out there.
686
00:33:30,761 --> 00:33:32,394
Like, just pushing her out.
687
00:33:32,396 --> 00:33:33,628
Now, Kelley,
you weren't pushed,
688
00:33:33,630 --> 00:33:35,498
but you had something
thrown at you.
689
00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:37,699
There was a mixing bowl.
690
00:33:37,701 --> 00:33:40,903
It flew off of the shelf
it was on,
691
00:33:40,905 --> 00:33:43,038
about 10 feet
through the air.
692
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,708
So she's throwing...
693
00:33:45,710 --> 00:33:47,710
Now how about the guy
that killed her?
694
00:33:47,712 --> 00:33:51,047
Yes. I'm gonna refer to him
as "skeleton face."
695
00:33:51,049 --> 00:33:53,449
This is the male
who killed this female.
696
00:33:53,451 --> 00:33:56,285
He is definitely
the biggest threat.
697
00:33:56,287 --> 00:33:58,320
He's very, very powerful,
698
00:33:58,322 --> 00:34:01,190
very dangerous,
and very secretive.
699
00:34:01,192 --> 00:34:05,127
There are a few things that
I was able to get out of him.
700
00:34:05,129 --> 00:34:07,396
He was white, lots of money.
701
00:34:07,398 --> 00:34:11,100
I got that the 1890s were
very important to him,
702
00:34:11,102 --> 00:34:13,536
absolute connection
to this location.
703
00:34:13,538 --> 00:34:17,472
He made it very clear to me
that he did a lot of bad things
704
00:34:17,474 --> 00:34:18,674
when he was alive,
705
00:34:18,676 --> 00:34:21,944
and that included
killing several people.
706
00:34:21,946 --> 00:34:24,680
You know, it's not a lot
to go on, but some of the stuff
707
00:34:24,682 --> 00:34:25,947
you were talking about
reminds me
708
00:34:25,949 --> 00:34:28,017
of one of the past owners
of this place.
709
00:34:28,019 --> 00:34:29,684
His name was Cassius Sprigg.
710
00:34:29,686 --> 00:34:31,987
You mentioned the 1890s
were important to him.
711
00:34:31,989 --> 00:34:34,156
Now, he bought
this property in 1898.
712
00:34:34,158 --> 00:34:36,492
Now, the guy you saw killed
people when he was alive.
713
00:34:36,494 --> 00:34:39,261
Well, Cassius fought
in the Dakota-Indian Wars.
714
00:34:39,263 --> 00:34:41,897
Now, we have no idea
how many people Cassius killed,
715
00:34:41,899 --> 00:34:43,699
but we do know
that the war ended
716
00:34:43,701 --> 00:34:45,967
with the execution
of 38 people,
717
00:34:45,969 --> 00:34:48,037
and he was part of all this.
718
00:34:48,039 --> 00:34:49,772
To this day, it's the largest
mass execution
719
00:34:49,774 --> 00:34:51,073
in American history.
720
00:34:51,075 --> 00:34:54,109
Now, Sprigg only owned
this hotel for a few years.
721
00:34:54,111 --> 00:34:55,977
After he got out of
the hotel business, though,
722
00:34:55,979 --> 00:35:00,416
he got into banking
and made a small fortune.
723
00:35:00,418 --> 00:35:03,219
I've got a photo of him.
724
00:35:03,221 --> 00:35:06,122
Any chances this is who you saw?
725
00:35:06,124 --> 00:35:07,823
- Any idea?
- I don't think so
726
00:35:07,825 --> 00:35:10,526
'cause he made it seem
like the killings
727
00:35:10,528 --> 00:35:16,365
he did were not, like,
public knowledge.
728
00:35:16,367 --> 00:35:18,700
Now you said you were concerned
about the skeleton-face guy.
729
00:35:18,702 --> 00:35:19,802
Why is that?
730
00:35:19,804 --> 00:35:23,539
This guy is capable
of mimicking voices,
731
00:35:23,541 --> 00:35:25,107
mimicking people.
732
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:26,609
So like,
a friend, coworker,
733
00:35:26,611 --> 00:35:28,043
when you think
they're saying something
734
00:35:28,045 --> 00:35:30,679
and there's nobody there.
735
00:35:30,681 --> 00:35:33,749
That's a common occurrence
for myself and other employees,
736
00:35:33,751 --> 00:35:36,952
and you keep trying
to go find it, thinking,
737
00:35:36,954 --> 00:35:39,021
"Maybe somebody came back
into the building,"
738
00:35:39,023 --> 00:35:41,690
and then that's
eventually realized
739
00:35:41,692 --> 00:35:43,492
that you're
in the building alone.
740
00:35:43,494 --> 00:35:47,296
And what's probably the most
frightening for living people
741
00:35:47,298 --> 00:35:50,433
is that he does know
how to jump people.
742
00:35:50,435 --> 00:35:53,102
He was trying to do it to me
throughout my walk,
743
00:35:53,104 --> 00:35:54,904
and he was
extremely aggressive
744
00:35:54,906 --> 00:35:57,106
when I got down into
the basement.
745
00:35:57,108 --> 00:36:00,910
My god.
746
00:36:00,912 --> 00:36:03,712
These are two people that feel
like they've been jumped.
747
00:36:03,714 --> 00:36:05,647
I don't have a lot of memory
when it happened to me,
748
00:36:05,649 --> 00:36:08,584
I just knew it wasn't me.
749
00:36:08,586 --> 00:36:10,051
Couldn't collect my thoughts.
750
00:36:10,053 --> 00:36:13,055
Like, I felt like this outer
shell of me was doing something,
751
00:36:13,057 --> 00:36:15,658
and the inside was
looking around going,
752
00:36:15,660 --> 00:36:17,793
"What is going on?"
753
00:36:17,795 --> 00:36:20,228
Something similar
happened to Wyatt.
754
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:22,864
I was down here in the basement
and was just, like,
755
00:36:22,866 --> 00:36:24,400
a snap of my fingers,
756
00:36:24,402 --> 00:36:27,069
and I felt overcome
and overwhelmed.
757
00:36:27,071 --> 00:36:31,407
He will do anything he can
to instill fear
758
00:36:31,409 --> 00:36:33,408
and get the living
out of here,
759
00:36:33,410 --> 00:36:36,612
and that can become
physical or be physical --
760
00:36:36,614 --> 00:36:39,548
slapping, pushing, punching.
761
00:36:39,550 --> 00:36:42,584
I saw him punching a male
in the back,
762
00:36:42,586 --> 00:36:44,820
and I did have a sketch done.
763
00:36:44,822 --> 00:36:48,224
This should be interesting.
764
00:36:57,435 --> 00:36:59,902
Ooh.
765
00:37:07,911 --> 00:37:10,445
That's some picture, ain't it?
766
00:37:10,447 --> 00:37:13,248
I don't know even know
what to say to that.
767
00:37:13,250 --> 00:37:15,717
My god.
768
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,254
What's this speck behind it?
What's this going on?
769
00:37:19,256 --> 00:37:20,455
This is a friend of his,
770
00:37:20,457 --> 00:37:22,324
and they're killing
this guy here.
771
00:37:22,326 --> 00:37:24,093
He didn't want me
to see that.
772
00:37:26,997 --> 00:37:29,531
He's gotta go.
773
00:37:29,533 --> 00:37:31,867
What the hell does this guy
want from these guys?
774
00:37:31,869 --> 00:37:33,969
Basically, he wants
to kill living people.
775
00:37:49,237 --> 00:37:50,535
Kelley, you made it
very clear
776
00:37:50,537 --> 00:37:52,471
that leaving here
is not an option for you.
777
00:37:52,473 --> 00:37:54,206
But after what
we've heard tonight,
778
00:37:54,208 --> 00:37:57,609
it's crystal clear that
it's not safe here for you,
779
00:37:57,611 --> 00:37:59,445
your employees or the guests.
780
00:37:59,447 --> 00:38:02,347
Now we're going to find out if
there's any way to change that.
781
00:38:02,349 --> 00:38:04,416
For that answer, I'm going to
turn it over to Amy.
782
00:38:08,622 --> 00:38:11,257
I have something to say
really quickly.
783
00:38:11,259 --> 00:38:12,992
A few days after my walk,
784
00:38:12,994 --> 00:38:16,428
I see that you're doing
an event here --
785
00:38:16,430 --> 00:38:18,764
a ghost tour.
- Yeah.
786
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:23,469
How long have you been
doing that?
787
00:38:23,471 --> 00:38:26,005
Probably for about
4 or 5 years now.
788
00:38:26,007 --> 00:38:29,140
You've noticed an increase
in activity?
789
00:38:29,142 --> 00:38:33,278
I would say that's fair.
790
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,214
When you're stirring up
this kind of activity,
791
00:38:35,216 --> 00:38:38,617
...gonna go wrong.
792
00:38:38,619 --> 00:38:39,751
I gotta ask you.
793
00:38:39,753 --> 00:38:41,387
When we talked,
you never really mentioned
794
00:38:41,389 --> 00:38:43,455
about this whole
ghost-hunting thing.
795
00:38:43,457 --> 00:38:48,159
I never thought of that as
being a contributing factor.
796
00:38:48,161 --> 00:38:52,197
A big reason of why
I do what I do is the dead.
797
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:57,202
These were people,
and they still are people.
798
00:38:57,204 --> 00:39:02,141
It's easy, I think,
for the living, um,
799
00:39:02,143 --> 00:39:07,947
to have a disassociation
with that concept.
800
00:39:07,949 --> 00:39:11,617
My question is,
what do you want to do?
801
00:39:11,619 --> 00:39:15,354
And do you want
the dead here or not?
802
00:39:20,694 --> 00:39:24,896
If they need moving on,
I'm in complete support of that.
803
00:39:24,898 --> 00:39:27,433
All right. So how do they
get rid of 'em?
804
00:39:27,435 --> 00:39:30,035
You do have to find
a male medium
805
00:39:30,037 --> 00:39:34,506
who is also
a chaos magician.
806
00:39:34,508 --> 00:39:39,111
He is going to basically
collect
807
00:39:39,113 --> 00:39:41,714
the dead skeleton guy
808
00:39:41,716 --> 00:39:45,784
and remove him
from the location altogether.
809
00:39:45,786 --> 00:39:49,054
The other thing that does
is that it literally
810
00:39:49,056 --> 00:39:53,025
will clear the basement
of not only him but also
811
00:39:53,027 --> 00:39:58,597
all the residual information
and energy down here.
812
00:39:58,599 --> 00:40:05,003
So, like, this basement?
Nothing. Nothing going on.
813
00:40:05,005 --> 00:40:07,473
So she won't see the shadows
down here, won't get jumped.
814
00:40:07,475 --> 00:40:09,942
Yeah, that's right.
815
00:40:09,944 --> 00:40:13,612
On another day, the same medium
could come back and remove
816
00:40:13,614 --> 00:40:17,949
all of the shadow people
and the pissy lady.
817
00:40:17,951 --> 00:40:22,954
Unfortunately, the cop, nothing,
at this point, can be done.
818
00:40:22,956 --> 00:40:25,891
Now, if you want to keep
doing ghost tours,
819
00:40:25,893 --> 00:40:28,360
you can keep the residual,
820
00:40:28,362 --> 00:40:31,430
and there is
a plethora of it.
821
00:40:31,432 --> 00:40:33,231
So, Kelley,
when we first talked,
822
00:40:33,233 --> 00:40:36,167
you were just about ready
to break down.
823
00:40:36,169 --> 00:40:40,072
Now it looks like you get to
not only keep your place
824
00:40:40,074 --> 00:40:43,341
but find out a way
to make it safe
825
00:40:43,343 --> 00:40:45,844
and still have it
as an attraction for people
826
00:40:45,846 --> 00:40:48,714
that are into the ghost hunting.
827
00:40:48,716 --> 00:40:51,316
That would absolutely
be ideal.
828
00:40:51,318 --> 00:40:54,586
Now the ultimate question --
Are you gonna do what she says?
829
00:40:54,588 --> 00:40:57,055
Yes, I absolutely will.
830
00:40:57,057 --> 00:40:57,989
So, Wyatt, what about you?
831
00:40:57,991 --> 00:40:59,458
Would you be willing
to help out?
832
00:40:59,460 --> 00:41:01,993
Yeah, I'm here for her.
833
00:41:01,995 --> 00:41:09,300
I am so immensely pleased
and relieved and grateful.
834
00:41:09,302 --> 00:41:13,205
I feel very optimistic
about everything.
835
00:41:13,207 --> 00:41:14,806
It won't be easy
836
00:41:14,808 --> 00:41:16,742
removing the dangerous dead
inside this hotel.
837
00:41:16,744 --> 00:41:19,611
But if Kelley contacts
the medium, who is also
838
00:41:19,613 --> 00:41:22,013
a chaos magician,
to banish the dead,
839
00:41:22,015 --> 00:41:24,415
her guests and employees
will be safe,
840
00:41:24,417 --> 00:41:27,419
and she can keep running
the hotel she loves so much.
841
00:41:27,469 --> 00:41:32,019
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