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You're in trouble,
big, big trouble.
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Tell us
what we need to do
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to make this safe
for my girls.
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She's getting
bashed in the head.
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It's turned out to be
the house of horrors.
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They're living
here in danger?
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Yes.
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This is not good,
not good at all.
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I just hear death.
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My name is Amy Allan.
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God.
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It's like,
"I'm going to get you."
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I see dead people.
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Her face was all demonic.
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I speak to dead people.
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He's like, "You think you can
stop me? Because you can't."
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And they speak to me.
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What is he trying to do?
Kill them.
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But there's only one way to know
if my findings are real.
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Something happened.
Bam, bam, bam!
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Di Schiavi.
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I'm a retired New York City
homicide detective.
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Am I seeing
what I think I'm seeing?
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And I know every person,
every house has secrets.
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They're everywhere.
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It's my job to reveal them.
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This guy's got the markings
of a serial killer.
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But Steve and I never speak...
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We never communicate
during an investigation.
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...until the very end...
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Is this dead guy
doing that to her?
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...when we uncover
if it's safe for you to stay...
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That's it.
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...or time to get out.
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Somebody's gonna die
over there soon, yeah.
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I'm in the small town of Medina
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between Rochester
and Buffalo, New York.
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I got a call from a young
mom named Kelsey.
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Now, she was sobbing
saying the dead
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are going after her babies
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and brainwashing her mom.
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I'm not sure exactly what
the hell she meant by that.
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But she sounded
so scared for her kids,
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I had to take the case.
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Before Amy arrives,
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I sweep the house
from top to bottom
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looking for
any leading information --
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photographs, family heirlooms.
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Even a baby's crib
can influence her findings.
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So it's important that I cover
or remove them all.
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When I'm done, the location
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will be ready
for tonight's walk.
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Boy.
This isn't good.
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So there's, like, you know,
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some dead people here who...
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I think that maybe
they can ****
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with living people.
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And they're bad.
They're very bad.
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And they want to do things
to living people.
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I don't know why there's
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so many **** dead
people in this house.
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Maybe it was a hospital
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or maybe it was
a crazy house at one time.
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Maybe it was a boarding house.
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And then, I hear there
are demons lurking.
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So, Kelsey,
I'm glad I'm here because
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when we spoke on the phone,
you sounded pretty upset.
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What's going on
in this house?
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My main concern
is my daughter Zoey.
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Um, she's 3 years old.
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She's seeing things.
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She's afraid.
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She won't go into
her room by herself.
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And you have,
another child as well?
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We have Lucy.
She's 2 months.
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Two small kids.
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Looks like it's
affecting you, too.
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Yeah.
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It's a daily struggle
just to keep the girls safe.
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The girls
are my main concern.
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And I have to stay
strong for them.
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As far as activity goes,
give me a --
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kind of a list
of what's happening.
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There's been loud screams,
things moving,
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shadow figures,
apparitions.
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And now
it's gotten physical.
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Okay. So how long have
you guys been here?
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We've lived here
18 months.
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Now, when I pulled up,
this place looked like a --
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a huge factory.
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Um,
how big is this place?
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It's 6,200 square feet.
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And it has 12 rooms.
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Wow.
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Now, do you know any history
about the house?
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We just know that it used
to be an inn.
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- And how old is it?
- It's about 200 years old.
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So who exactly
lives here?
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Myself,
my daughter Zoey,
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my daughter Lucy,
my mom.
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You mentioned on the phone
your mom's got some kind
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of strange connection,
obsession with the house.
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What's that all about?
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She seems to be
really attached to it.
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She doesn't seem to ever
want to leave the house.
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- That's strange.
- Since we've lived here,
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her health has just
declined rapidly.
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Is she the only
one getting sick?
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We're all exhausted
all the time.
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We all are sick
all the time.
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It -- it feels like home.
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But it feels like
we're sharing our home
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with something nasty.
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I don't even know
how anyone can stay here.
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There are just so many dead.
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I feel very dizzy.
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Very sick,
horrible, horrible...
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We can't focus.
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I think that the living here
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would experience
extreme sadness.
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When I first walked in,
I literally wanted
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to start crying,
extreme depression.
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All right, Kelsey.
This is a pretty big room.
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Why'd you bring me
in here?
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Well, one night I was sitting
right outside that door.
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All of a sudden,
I heard footsteps
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walking towards the door.
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And the door just slammed
right in my face.
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And so you hear, like,
footsteps like this?
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Yep.
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Any doors and windows
open for ventilation
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that this might've
slammed shut on its own?
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No, this happened
just a few weeks ago,
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when it was winter.
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Like that?
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Exactly.
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That must've scared
the hell out of you.
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Yeah.
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Living people, they have
a problem with the doors.
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The doorknob's always...
tch, tch, tch, always rattling.
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And all I'm seeing is --
is, like,
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the doors had blood on them.
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There was blood
on the floor.
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Something is trying
to get inside.
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Anything else?
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I looked up and saw
a woman walk
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from our dining room
into our kitchen.
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She was wearing
this long, white dress,
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looked like from
a long time ago.
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So did you go
into the kitchen
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to see
what the hell it was?
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The fear overcomes me.
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And I just can't bring myself
to walk in and see.
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Well, okay.
Anything else?
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Um, one night, I was sitting
down here on the couch.
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All of a sudden,
I heard this ear-piercing,
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horrific scream
of a woman.
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And it sounded like
she was being hurt.
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That was what was
startling about it.
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I'm hearing a woman screaming.
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Is she trying to get in?
Or is she trying to get out?
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They could see her, like,
as a full-body apparition.
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What would they see?
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Like a white dress
or something.
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I guess maybe, like,
a nightgown.
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Freaking out.
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Her heart's pounding.
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I think she was murdered.
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So this is Zoey's room?
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And the reason
I took the case,
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um, what's going on
in here?
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She would wake up,
start crying,
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refuse to lay back down,
refuse to go back to sleep,
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talking about shadow figures
and, mean men.
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One day, Zoey had got away
from us and took off.
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And we found her at the top
of the stairs
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holding what looked
to be someone's hand.
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My heart dropped.
I -- I stopped.
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I froze.
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It was one of
the more scary things
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that have happened here
for me.
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Okay. Anything else?
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Um, yeah.
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I will be walking up
the stairs,
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walking past this room.
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And I'll look
in the room.
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And there'll be
a black shadow figure
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standing right
in the window.
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It's happened three times.
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And I was literally
afraid for my life.
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So could there be
somebody standing outside
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and a car going by
with the lights
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and it reflecting
in here?
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No. It was very solid.
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Looked like an actual man
was standing there.
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What are you hoping
to get out of all this?
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Answers.
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Tell us
what we need to do
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to make this safe
for my girls.
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Okay.
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This person's
in big trouble,
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big, big trouble.
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This is not good,
not good at all.
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And I feel like
these dead people
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are very focused on this person.
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Violent, very violent...
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...anger, hatred,
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being surrounded by these
very bad dead people.
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And the only reason why they
would be focused on this person
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is because they think
they can make
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this person kill yourself
or kill everybody.
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This living person is in danger.
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So I was talking to Kelsey,
and she basically said
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that you're kind of
obsessed with the house.
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I guess that's fair.
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I knew
three steps in the door
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that this
is where we should be.
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It's turned out to be,
at times,
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the house of horrors.
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I understand you've been having
some health issues, too.
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I had to have
two back surgeries
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and a hip surgery.
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And I just can't seem
to heal here.
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Have you had experiences
living here?
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Yes. I've had experiences
with the walk-in closet.
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I thought to myself,
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"Maybe this is some
kind of a portal."
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You hear
a woman screaming.
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I mean, guttural,
painful screams
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come out of that closet.
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Well, how the hell
do you sleep in here?
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I don't sleep in here.
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I sleep in what
would be Zoey's room.
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I started sleeping
in there,
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thinking I would get
a better night's sleep.
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But it has not worked
out that way at all.
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Why not?
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I'm having
these horrific nightmares.
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Okay, what
kind of nightmares?
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Every single dream,
it has to do with somebody
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in this house
who is in peril.
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What do you think
is going on here?
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It's like this house
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is,
a paranormal highway.
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The living person
in this room gets sick a lot.
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There is a Satanic vortex
that's in their closet.
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Everything in this room
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that happens is due
to this **** closet
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and this ****
vortex in there.
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I think that they would
see things in there.
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Like what?
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I don't know,
maybe having dreams.
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Lots of stress.
Lots of stress.
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I see somebody, like,
crying so much
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they puke kind of thing.
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So scared, so scared,
crying and crying and crying.
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So anything else?
259
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The most significant
260
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and the most
frightening experience
261
00:13:00,050 --> 00:13:03,245
that I've had here
so far has to be
262
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walking over to the window
and looking out.
263
00:13:05,790 --> 00:13:11,790
And there were, like,
8 or 10 shadow figures.
264
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They were shaped
like a human form.
265
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But they were solid black.
266
00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,170
And they were just
staring right at the house.
267
00:13:23,205 --> 00:13:26,600
And just one by one,
they turned around
268
00:13:26,610 --> 00:13:30,070
and walked down
towards the river.
269
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It terrified me.
270
00:13:31,910 --> 00:13:33,440
You sure these were
shadow people
271
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and not a bunch of people
that were dressed in black?
272
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No. No, there's a street
light out there.
273
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And it was lit up.
274
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And you could see they were
this solid black forms.
275
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They weren't people.
276
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No.
277
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It's like you're
constantly anticipating
278
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what might happen next.
279
00:13:53,530 --> 00:13:56,270
And it's really difficult
to live like that.
280
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It takes its toll
on everybody.
281
00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,940
There's not a lot of life left
in this house anymore.
282
00:14:05,380 --> 00:14:10,510
I just saw, like, a really tall,
dark shadow man.
283
00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,450
And he just walked
straight right back
284
00:14:12,485 --> 00:14:14,487
and right into there.
285
00:14:14,522 --> 00:14:16,455
He was **** tall, too,
286
00:14:16,490 --> 00:14:20,520
'cause he must've been
right up on that tree there.
287
00:14:23,500 --> 00:14:25,630
He says that there's more.
288
00:14:31,170 --> 00:14:35,505
So those shadowed...things,
289
00:14:35,540 --> 00:14:37,840
they've been here
for a long, long time.
290
00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,145
I think that living people
would see them.
291
00:14:42,180 --> 00:14:47,820
But it doesn't seem like
they're much interested in them.
292
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Any idea how the living
would see them?
293
00:14:49,460 --> 00:14:52,620
Like human-shaped shadow people.
294
00:14:52,630 --> 00:14:54,530
Are the living here
in danger from them?
295
00:14:54,565 --> 00:14:59,600
I can't say 100%
that they're safe.
296
00:15:05,670 --> 00:15:08,255
Okay, Cindy,
why'd you bring me over here?
297
00:15:08,290 --> 00:15:10,805
I was walking down
this set of stairs.
298
00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:15,010
I got probably six
or eight stairs from the bottom.
299
00:15:15,045 --> 00:15:18,850
And it felt like somebody
took their arm
300
00:15:18,885 --> 00:15:21,185
and just swooshed
301
00:15:21,220 --> 00:15:23,950
and knocked my knees out
from underneath me.
302
00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,725
And I flew and hit hard.
- All right.
303
00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,960
So when I came up these steps,
these seemed pretty sturdy.
304
00:15:31,995 --> 00:15:33,565
They are.
305
00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,400
- You could've got killed.
- It's possible.
306
00:15:37,435 --> 00:15:40,005
And you're still
in this house?
307
00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:44,910
And you're gonna say
you're not obsessed by it?
308
00:15:44,945 --> 00:15:46,840
I don't want to leave it.
309
00:15:46,850 --> 00:15:49,350
Okay.
310
00:15:51,820 --> 00:15:53,385
There's a man.
311
00:15:53,420 --> 00:15:55,705
I think it's a man.
312
00:15:55,740 --> 00:15:57,730
But he sounds inhuman.
313
00:15:57,765 --> 00:15:59,720
He doesn't want us here.
314
00:15:59,730 --> 00:16:01,955
He grabbed my wrist and, like,
315
00:16:01,990 --> 00:16:04,260
pinched it between
the bones, you know?
316
00:16:04,295 --> 00:16:06,495
It, like,
almost felt like a ice pick.
317
00:16:06,530 --> 00:16:09,900
And then, he was grabbing
my neck here like,
318
00:16:09,935 --> 00:16:14,170
you know, this,
my shoulder,
319
00:16:14,205 --> 00:16:16,857
and then my jaw.
320
00:16:16,892 --> 00:16:19,475
He is very physical.
321
00:16:19,510 --> 00:16:22,610
As far as being able
to touch people.
322
00:16:22,620 --> 00:16:25,285
And then, I saw somebody
get shoved,
323
00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:29,420
a living person, a female,
get shoved from behind.
324
00:16:29,455 --> 00:16:31,690
So he's somebody
I would worry about.
325
00:16:31,725 --> 00:16:33,255
I think it's dangerous.
326
00:16:33,290 --> 00:16:35,530
I feel like he's, like,
trying to attach to me.
327
00:16:35,565 --> 00:16:40,200
My God.
**** Get off of me!
328
00:16:53,060 --> 00:16:55,065
So I made some calls,
and Kelsey's right.
329
00:16:55,100 --> 00:16:58,630
The house is almost 200 years
old and used to be an inn.
330
00:16:58,665 --> 00:17:01,165
I'm heading back there
to meet a local historian
331
00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,300
who says the guy that built it
had such a tragic time there,
332
00:17:04,310 --> 00:17:06,240
he probably wishes
he never laid his eyes
333
00:17:06,275 --> 00:17:07,940
on it in the first place.
334
00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,145
Sounds like my clients
were right.
335
00:17:16,180 --> 00:17:19,600
This place was built
about 200 years ago.
336
00:17:19,635 --> 00:17:22,812
Very close.
We found, um, that the house
337
00:17:22,847 --> 00:17:25,955
was actually constructed
around 1837.
338
00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:28,460
It's regarded as one
of the largest cobblestone
339
00:17:28,495 --> 00:17:30,365
buildings
in North America.
340
00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,770
She also mentioned
that it might've been an inn.
341
00:17:33,805 --> 00:17:35,635
Yes, that is correct.
It was an inn.
342
00:17:35,670 --> 00:17:39,055
Um, and it was there to cater
to the stagecoach traffic
343
00:17:39,090 --> 00:17:42,440
that was traveling from Buffalo
to Rochester at the time.
344
00:17:42,475 --> 00:17:44,110
And we actually have
a photograph here
345
00:17:44,145 --> 00:17:47,910
from 1870
that shows, um,
346
00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,520
what it would've looked like
from that time period.
347
00:17:50,555 --> 00:17:51,850
And this picture makes it
a lot more bustling
348
00:17:51,885 --> 00:17:52,985
than it is today.
349
00:17:53,020 --> 00:17:55,320
- Absolutely.
- What do we know about the guy
350
00:17:55,355 --> 00:17:57,155
that built this monster
of a house?
351
00:17:57,190 --> 00:18:00,490
The inn was constructed
by Zachariah Spencer.
352
00:18:00,500 --> 00:18:02,900
He was a wealthy farmer
from Connecticut.
353
00:18:02,935 --> 00:18:03,982
So you mentioned
on the phone
354
00:18:04,017 --> 00:18:04,995
that he's probably
even sorry
355
00:18:05,030 --> 00:18:07,950
he set eyes on this location.
Why was that?
356
00:18:07,985 --> 00:18:10,870
Yes, um, he turns the business
over eventually
357
00:18:10,905 --> 00:18:13,305
to his son Henry,
um, in 1843.
358
00:18:13,340 --> 00:18:16,595
Henry was about 28 years old
at the time.
359
00:18:16,630 --> 00:18:19,850
And at that point in time,
he is a loner.
360
00:18:19,885 --> 00:18:20,945
Um, he's not married.
361
00:18:20,980 --> 00:18:23,065
And he has no --
no children to speak of.
362
00:18:23,100 --> 00:18:25,150
That's kind of strange
for that time period.
363
00:18:25,185 --> 00:18:26,415
Isn't it?
- Yes.
364
00:18:26,450 --> 00:18:29,020
Okay. So now,
Henry's got the business.
365
00:18:29,055 --> 00:18:30,325
What happens?
366
00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:32,830
Um, from the best we can tell,
he runs it quite well.
367
00:18:32,865 --> 00:18:37,530
And then, two years later,
he kills himself.
368
00:18:37,565 --> 00:18:39,417
Okay, and how do
we know that?
369
00:18:39,452 --> 00:18:41,235
We do have
a deed transfer
370
00:18:41,270 --> 00:18:43,600
that reverts the property
back to Zachariah
371
00:18:43,610 --> 00:18:45,875
that says, um,
372
00:18:45,910 --> 00:18:49,405
Henry died at his own device.
- All right.
373
00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,150
Could we assume he committed
suicide on the property?
374
00:18:52,185 --> 00:18:53,515
Yes.
375
00:18:53,550 --> 00:18:55,415
Now that Zachariah's
got the property
376
00:18:55,450 --> 00:18:57,380
and the business back,
does he run it again?
377
00:18:57,390 --> 00:18:58,715
Or does he sell it?
378
00:18:58,750 --> 00:19:02,620
This time, he transitioned
the business to his other sons,
379
00:19:02,655 --> 00:19:04,355
Burrall
and Samuel Spencer.
380
00:19:04,390 --> 00:19:06,790
All right.
So how'd these guys do?
381
00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,490
Um, they overextended
themselves.
382
00:19:08,500 --> 00:19:11,230
And eventually ran
the business bankrupt.
383
00:19:11,265 --> 00:19:13,330
Burrall started,
forging checks
384
00:19:13,340 --> 00:19:16,270
about to
the extent of $270,000
385
00:19:16,305 --> 00:19:17,735
at that point in time.
386
00:19:17,770 --> 00:19:19,470
What are we talking about today?
What would that be?
387
00:19:19,505 --> 00:19:23,240
By today's standards
of about $6 million.
388
00:19:23,250 --> 00:19:24,640
Wow. Okay.
389
00:19:24,650 --> 00:19:27,950
So this poor guy, Zachariah,
comes over, successful guy.
390
00:19:27,985 --> 00:19:29,515
He's got all these kids.
391
00:19:29,550 --> 00:19:32,150
One kid, Henry, who's 28
and winds up killing himself.
392
00:19:32,185 --> 00:19:33,185
Yes.
393
00:19:33,220 --> 00:19:35,555
And then,
the other two knuckleheads
394
00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:38,190
wind up running the business
into the ground.
395
00:19:38,225 --> 00:19:40,060
- Yes.
- All right.
396
00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,065
There's, like, two guys.
397
00:19:45,100 --> 00:19:48,270
It feels like
older teens maybe.
398
00:19:48,305 --> 00:19:51,440
And they're bad.
They're very bad.
399
00:19:51,475 --> 00:19:53,105
I don't like these guys.
400
00:19:53,140 --> 00:19:55,275
I don't know
if they're human.
401
00:19:55,310 --> 00:20:00,045
They might be
pretending to be human.
402
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,050
Like, I don't know
if they're really dead kids
403
00:20:03,085 --> 00:20:06,285
or if they're demons.
404
00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,920
And they're, like, talking about
Satanism and ****
405
00:20:09,930 --> 00:20:11,895
Them, you got to
bargain with them.
406
00:20:11,930 --> 00:20:14,490
Like, if you agree
for them to do something,
407
00:20:14,500 --> 00:20:16,860
then you're gonna ****
pay a price.
408
00:20:16,870 --> 00:20:18,195
That's all I know.
409
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:20,130
What sort of things
will he do?
410
00:20:20,140 --> 00:20:21,730
They can scare them.
411
00:20:21,740 --> 00:20:24,990
They can harm them,
cause accidents,
412
00:20:25,025 --> 00:20:28,205
cause accidents
where people die.
413
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:33,110
And I think also that they
influence the living very much.
414
00:20:33,145 --> 00:20:36,080
And I think that they could
influence a living person
415
00:20:36,115 --> 00:20:39,720
into harming themselves
or somebody else.
416
00:20:39,755 --> 00:20:42,160
It's not a good situation.
417
00:20:47,300 --> 00:20:48,595
If you need us
to investigate
418
00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:50,495
unexplained activity
in your home,
419
00:20:50,530 --> 00:20:52,915
go to "The Dead Files"
page at travelchannel.com.
420
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:55,300
Click on "Help me, Dead Files!"
to submit your story.
421
00:20:55,335 --> 00:20:56,370
And we'll help if we can.
422
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,820
So far, I've got
a family worried sick
423
00:21:06,855 --> 00:21:08,920
over their children's safety
on a property
424
00:21:08,930 --> 00:21:11,965
where a former owner
committed suicide.
425
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,000
But I need to see
if there's anything else.
426
00:21:15,035 --> 00:21:16,295
Searching through old records,
427
00:21:16,330 --> 00:21:18,930
I find a disturbing
article about a local farmhand
428
00:21:18,940 --> 00:21:20,605
who murdered a 13-year-old girl
429
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,225
right next to
my client's property.
430
00:21:23,260 --> 00:21:25,170
Now, for some reason,
the local cops
431
00:21:25,205 --> 00:21:27,272
won't talk to me
about this case.
432
00:21:27,307 --> 00:21:29,340
So I reached out
to a local author
433
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:31,480
who says this was one
of the most gruesome crimes
434
00:21:31,515 --> 00:21:33,980
in the town's history.
435
00:21:40,420 --> 00:21:42,720
Were you able to find out
anything about this farmhand
436
00:21:42,730 --> 00:21:44,155
that killed
this 13-year-old girl?
437
00:21:44,190 --> 00:21:47,700
Yes, the man we're talking
about is Eugene Emory.
438
00:21:47,735 --> 00:21:50,360
He was a farmhand
local to the area.
439
00:21:50,370 --> 00:21:52,170
And there's no known
photograph of him,
440
00:21:52,205 --> 00:21:54,900
but we did find
a sketch of him.
441
00:21:54,935 --> 00:21:55,905
Okay.
442
00:21:55,940 --> 00:21:59,175
He was described
as 5'8", clean-shaven.
443
00:21:59,210 --> 00:22:01,110
You have any idea how old he
might've been in this sketch?
444
00:22:01,145 --> 00:22:03,610
Yes, at the time that sketch
was done, 40 years old.
445
00:22:03,645 --> 00:22:04,815
40, okay.
446
00:22:04,850 --> 00:22:06,945
This guy have
any priors?
447
00:22:06,980 --> 00:22:10,335
Not really.
But farmers in the area
448
00:22:10,370 --> 00:22:13,655
had said that he liked
the young girls.
449
00:22:13,690 --> 00:22:16,520
Okay, so do we know when
he starts working for the people
450
00:22:16,530 --> 00:22:18,255
that live next door
to my client's property?
451
00:22:18,290 --> 00:22:21,210
He started working
for the Grimes family in 1888.
452
00:22:21,245 --> 00:22:24,130
Immediately was attracted
to their daughter, Cora,
453
00:22:24,165 --> 00:22:25,902
then about 12 years old.
454
00:22:25,937 --> 00:22:27,605
What do we know
about her?
455
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,990
Described as
a very pretty girl --
456
00:22:30,025 --> 00:22:32,302
brunette with curly hair,
brown eyes.
457
00:22:32,337 --> 00:22:34,638
Supposedly, quite
a brilliant girl.
458
00:22:34,673 --> 00:22:36,940
He was actually
trying to court her.
459
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:39,380
And they had been
seen out in the area
460
00:22:39,415 --> 00:22:40,985
in the horse
and carriage.
461
00:22:41,020 --> 00:22:42,770
He had brought her
a few little gifts.
462
00:22:42,805 --> 00:22:44,485
And the family knew
about all this?
463
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,090
Well, they did.
I don't think, at first,
464
00:22:46,125 --> 00:22:48,520
they realized
it was that serious.
465
00:22:52,660 --> 00:22:54,665
I, feel weak,
real weak.
466
00:22:54,700 --> 00:22:56,985
Really, really,
really, really,
467
00:22:57,020 --> 00:22:59,270
really, really,
really weak.
468
00:22:59,305 --> 00:23:01,835
Hard to walk.
469
00:23:01,870 --> 00:23:04,540
I'm seeing the panicky girl
who was murdered again.
470
00:23:04,575 --> 00:23:06,757
And she's starting
to show me flashes
471
00:23:06,792 --> 00:23:08,940
of who she was
and what happened to her.
472
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:12,110
She has dark brown hair,
white nightie,
473
00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:16,380
hourglass figure,
about 5'2", no shoes.
474
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:22,960
It's warm, hot even,
sticky hot.
475
00:23:22,995 --> 00:23:25,397
Something's wrong here.
476
00:23:25,432 --> 00:23:27,800
Something's wrong here.
477
00:23:27,835 --> 00:23:30,430
My God.
My God.
478
00:23:33,900 --> 00:23:36,685
Take me to the murder.
What happened?
479
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,470
Well, on June 24, 1889,
summer evening,
480
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,180
Cora's parents
leave the premises.
481
00:23:42,215 --> 00:23:43,345
Okay.
482
00:23:43,380 --> 00:23:45,050
Well, Cora and Eugene
were having a discussion.
483
00:23:45,085 --> 00:23:47,385
And she's trying
to let him know
484
00:23:47,420 --> 00:23:49,150
that their relationship
isn't gonna go forward.
485
00:23:49,185 --> 00:23:50,655
And he's not liking this.
486
00:23:50,690 --> 00:23:52,855
She's trying to make it
clear to him
487
00:23:52,890 --> 00:23:54,820
that she thinks there's
too big an age difference.
488
00:23:54,855 --> 00:23:56,957
And he's not
the boss of her.
489
00:23:56,992 --> 00:23:58,826
She leaves to go
into the house.
490
00:23:58,861 --> 00:24:00,625
But in doing so,
she turns her --
491
00:24:00,660 --> 00:24:04,330
her back on him.
He picks up a piece of firewood.
492
00:24:04,365 --> 00:24:08,000
Using it like a club,
he bashes her in the head.
493
00:24:08,035 --> 00:24:10,322
That first blow
probably killed her.
494
00:24:10,357 --> 00:24:12,610
But he strikes her
two more times.
495
00:24:15,310 --> 00:24:18,210
She's getting bashed
in the head.
496
00:24:20,120 --> 00:24:24,090
Like, I'm just seeing
her head explode.
497
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,975
And I'm seeing, like,
brain and hair.
498
00:24:30,010 --> 00:24:33,770
Something about
the evil that men do.
499
00:24:33,805 --> 00:24:36,552
I don't know who this is.
They're in me.
500
00:24:36,587 --> 00:24:39,300
That **** hurts.
- Who's jumping you?
501
00:24:39,335 --> 00:24:41,870
A chick who's being murdered.
502
00:24:41,905 --> 00:24:43,910
****
503
00:24:46,980 --> 00:24:48,740
Get out.
504
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:51,815
All right.
So now what happens?
505
00:24:51,850 --> 00:24:53,780
Well, Emory takes off
through the woods.
506
00:24:53,815 --> 00:24:56,080
And the men form a posse.
507
00:24:56,090 --> 00:24:57,690
He sees 'em in the night
with their lanterns.
508
00:24:57,725 --> 00:24:59,990
And he knows they're
in pursuit of him.
509
00:25:00,025 --> 00:25:01,755
He turns himself in,
510
00:25:01,790 --> 00:25:05,160
confesses to the sheriff
that he loved this girl.
511
00:25:05,195 --> 00:25:07,225
He's weepy.
He's sobbing.
512
00:25:07,260 --> 00:25:09,295
But he doesn't know
why he did it.
513
00:25:09,330 --> 00:25:11,330
This was big news
at the time.
514
00:25:11,365 --> 00:25:12,635
What happened at trial?
515
00:25:12,670 --> 00:25:15,305
They do convict him
of second-degree murder.
516
00:25:15,340 --> 00:25:17,940
And he's sentenced
to life imprisonment.
517
00:25:17,975 --> 00:25:19,405
He ended up
dying in prison
518
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,660
of natural causes,
kidney failure,
519
00:25:21,695 --> 00:25:23,880
after serving
almost 13 years.
520
00:25:30,620 --> 00:25:33,050
I saw several disturbing
things on my walk.
521
00:25:33,060 --> 00:25:35,390
But what has me the most
concerned are the dead
522
00:25:35,425 --> 00:25:37,855
coming out of the vortex
in the closet
523
00:25:37,890 --> 00:25:41,560
and then surrounding
a living person in bed.
524
00:25:41,595 --> 00:25:45,482
There's dead people everywhere.
525
00:25:45,517 --> 00:25:49,978
There was a man on the left.
526
00:25:50,013 --> 00:25:54,440
And he's in his early 60s.
527
00:25:54,475 --> 00:25:57,345
Then there's a lady.
528
00:25:57,380 --> 00:26:01,045
And she's tiny.
She's probably, like, 5'2".
529
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,990
And then, at the end of the bed,
just completely black.
530
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,295
Amy,
is this what you saw?
531
00:26:10,330 --> 00:26:12,630
Yes, that's what I saw.
532
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,060
Now that Amy and I have
completed our investigations,
533
00:26:36,095 --> 00:26:38,160
we're ready to reveal
our findings to each other
534
00:26:38,195 --> 00:26:40,200
and our clients
for the first time.
535
00:26:40,235 --> 00:26:41,832
Now, Amy, this is Kelsey.
536
00:26:41,867 --> 00:26:43,430
And this is her mom, Cindy.
537
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,100
It's like these ladies are
in a dysfunctional relationship
538
00:26:46,135 --> 00:26:47,300
with this house.
539
00:26:47,310 --> 00:26:49,470
And what I mean by that
is it tortures them
540
00:26:49,505 --> 00:26:51,175
physically and emotionally.
541
00:26:51,210 --> 00:26:54,740
But they're drawn to it like
they're obsessed with it.
542
00:26:54,750 --> 00:26:57,435
But there's a reason Kelsey
called us in.
543
00:26:57,470 --> 00:27:00,120
This is her 3-year-old
daughter, Zoey,
544
00:27:00,155 --> 00:27:02,215
and Lucy, who's a newborn.
545
00:27:02,250 --> 00:27:06,190
Kelsey's convinced that the dead
here are picking on Zoey.
546
00:27:06,225 --> 00:27:09,092
And she is not sure if
it's safe for them to be here.
547
00:27:09,127 --> 00:27:11,960
Now that Amy knows just
a little bit about you guys,
548
00:27:11,995 --> 00:27:15,770
I'm gonna ask her
to describe her walk for us.
549
00:27:15,805 --> 00:27:17,035
Something
about this location
550
00:27:17,070 --> 00:27:22,310
is that there were
a lot of dead people here.
551
00:27:22,345 --> 00:27:26,005
And I could not
figure out why.
552
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,410
I was speculating maybe
it was an asylum or a hospital.
553
00:27:30,420 --> 00:27:32,685
Maybe it was
a boarding house.
554
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,915
So I was extremely confused
555
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:39,760
as to why there were all
these random dead people here.
556
00:27:39,795 --> 00:27:42,355
Some of them can
affect the living
557
00:27:42,390 --> 00:27:47,230
because I felt a lot of
depression and anxiety.
558
00:27:48,430 --> 00:27:50,130
Obviously, the house
is really old.
559
00:27:50,140 --> 00:27:52,765
Um, a lot of people
have been through here.
560
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,170
It was built in 1837.
Originally, it was an inn.
561
00:27:57,180 --> 00:28:01,910
We actually have a photograph
of your place from 1870.
562
00:28:01,945 --> 00:28:03,215
Geez, it looks
about the same.
563
00:28:03,250 --> 00:28:04,550
- Yeah, there's nothing...
- That's crazy.
564
00:28:04,585 --> 00:28:07,180
Not much has changed.
565
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:09,050
Now, as far
as depression goes,
566
00:28:09,085 --> 00:28:10,650
tell Amy about that.
567
00:28:10,660 --> 00:28:11,825
Since moving in here,
568
00:28:11,860 --> 00:28:13,920
I think we all are
drained and tired.
569
00:28:13,930 --> 00:28:17,060
And I think our attitudes
are different.
570
00:28:17,095 --> 00:28:18,965
Yeah.
I mean, there...
571
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,070
I am always on edge, always.
572
00:28:22,105 --> 00:28:23,430
If it wasn't for Zoey,
573
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,570
there would be no life
in this house.
574
00:28:28,810 --> 00:28:31,775
So I was outside.
575
00:28:31,810 --> 00:28:34,740
And I saw this thing,
576
00:28:34,750 --> 00:28:38,880
this really super-tall
dark shadow man, like,
577
00:28:38,915 --> 00:28:42,120
probably 30 feet tall
just glide,
578
00:28:42,155 --> 00:28:45,385
like, across the yard
579
00:28:45,420 --> 00:28:48,995
and then went
into the basement.
580
00:28:49,030 --> 00:28:52,600
And I saw just
all these shadow people.
581
00:28:52,635 --> 00:28:54,565
They were
kind of human size.
582
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,540
I think that the living
might be able to see them.
583
00:28:58,575 --> 00:29:00,605
And they
didn't honestly seem
584
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,360
at all interested
in living people.
585
00:29:04,395 --> 00:29:08,080
But you never know,
that could change.
586
00:29:08,115 --> 00:29:11,250
Well, Cindy's seen them outside.
587
00:29:11,285 --> 00:29:14,480
There were, like, 8 to 10
588
00:29:14,490 --> 00:29:18,920
just solid black mass figures
facing the house.
589
00:29:18,955 --> 00:29:22,642
And one by one,
they just turned around
590
00:29:22,677 --> 00:29:26,330
and walked right back down
to the river.
591
00:29:26,365 --> 00:29:28,647
Scared me half to death.
592
00:29:28,682 --> 00:29:30,930
I saw them three times.
593
00:29:30,940 --> 00:29:32,505
Um, each time, it was when
594
00:29:32,540 --> 00:29:34,600
I was walking past
Zoey's room.
595
00:29:34,610 --> 00:29:39,410
The third time, I got angry
and just stared at it.
596
00:29:39,445 --> 00:29:42,280
And that thing
didn't back down from me.
597
00:29:42,315 --> 00:29:43,845
It kept staring.
598
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,250
Finally, I just got so scared,
I walked away.
599
00:29:52,060 --> 00:29:54,920
So what else?
600
00:29:54,930 --> 00:29:57,560
Then I went into
the master bedroom.
601
00:29:57,595 --> 00:30:00,082
- That's Cindy's room.
- Okay.
602
00:30:00,117 --> 00:30:02,535
And I saw
somebody crying.
603
00:30:02,570 --> 00:30:07,000
And they were scared
and hysterical,
604
00:30:07,010 --> 00:30:10,270
under a ton of stress.
605
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,440
Yeah. I've shed my fair share
of tears here
606
00:30:13,450 --> 00:30:18,410
and just been moments
of just true despair.
607
00:30:18,420 --> 00:30:20,950
I also got that
the individual there,
608
00:30:20,985 --> 00:30:23,555
does get sick a lot.
609
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:28,590
And that person sees
a lot of strange things.
610
00:30:28,625 --> 00:30:31,330
Um, and the reason
why is because
611
00:30:31,365 --> 00:30:34,182
when I went
into the closet,
612
00:30:34,217 --> 00:30:37,593
I saw this
dark, black hole.
613
00:30:37,628 --> 00:30:40,935
I really got evil
from it.
614
00:30:40,970 --> 00:30:46,240
And I said that it was
the Satanic vortex.
615
00:30:46,275 --> 00:30:48,577
I hate that closet.
616
00:30:48,612 --> 00:30:51,896
I hate that closet.
617
00:30:51,931 --> 00:30:55,180
I hear women screaming.
618
00:30:56,190 --> 00:31:00,220
And it sounds like
it's coming from that closet.
619
00:31:00,230 --> 00:31:02,455
Tell her about
your illnesses as well.
620
00:31:02,490 --> 00:31:06,130
I've had several back surgeries
and a hip surgery.
621
00:31:06,165 --> 00:31:09,770
I have had maybe six or eight
other procedures
622
00:31:09,805 --> 00:31:11,165
since we've been here.
623
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,835
- What?
- I just can't heal.
624
00:31:13,870 --> 00:31:19,895
I'm just exhausted
and anxious and depressed.
625
00:31:19,930 --> 00:31:25,920
And I'm just fighting
to get my life back
626
00:31:25,955 --> 00:31:27,985
after these injuries.
627
00:31:28,020 --> 00:31:31,990
But at the same time, you don't
want to give up the house.
628
00:31:32,025 --> 00:31:33,907
I love this house.
629
00:31:33,942 --> 00:31:35,755
I got three steps in.
630
00:31:35,790 --> 00:31:38,760
And I knew that we were
supposed to be here.
631
00:31:38,795 --> 00:31:41,260
Interesting.
632
00:31:43,270 --> 00:31:46,405
In the master bedroom,
633
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,310
I also saw a person
in the bed terrified.
634
00:31:50,345 --> 00:31:51,670
You talking 'bout Cindy?
635
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,545
Yes.
636
00:31:53,580 --> 00:31:56,400
There were all
of these dead people,
637
00:31:56,435 --> 00:31:59,092
that were kind of
around the bed.
638
00:31:59,127 --> 00:32:01,750
So what did this look
like to you?
639
00:32:01,785 --> 00:32:03,320
I had a sketch done.
640
00:32:06,220 --> 00:32:08,420
I don't know
if I want to even open this up.
641
00:32:16,530 --> 00:32:18,940
There you go.
642
00:32:18,975 --> 00:32:20,800
My God.
643
00:32:23,010 --> 00:32:27,440
Wow.
Well, that's awful.
644
00:32:29,510 --> 00:32:32,380
Knowing that they're
targeting my mom,
645
00:32:32,415 --> 00:32:35,790
I mean, I just get angry.
646
00:32:35,825 --> 00:32:38,290
It's overwhelming.
647
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,060
Did you see anything else?
648
00:32:47,070 --> 00:32:48,460
Yes.
649
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:55,040
I met a dead male that is
very active in this house.
650
00:32:55,075 --> 00:32:57,740
And he is
a serious problem.
651
00:32:57,775 --> 00:32:59,905
He grabbed my arm
652
00:32:59,940 --> 00:33:05,010
and was pinching
through both of the bones.
653
00:33:05,020 --> 00:33:09,050
And it felt like an ice pick
going right through there.
654
00:33:09,085 --> 00:33:11,822
He absolutely did
not want me here.
655
00:33:11,857 --> 00:33:14,560
And I felt he could do
physical harm
656
00:33:14,595 --> 00:33:16,155
to living people --
657
00:33:16,190 --> 00:33:18,590
pushing, shoving,
hitting them.
658
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,930
And I think
he could be dangerous.
659
00:33:23,470 --> 00:33:26,570
Well, dangerous is
an understatement.
660
00:33:26,605 --> 00:33:27,905
You could've been killed.
661
00:33:27,940 --> 00:33:30,270
I was coming down
the stairway.
662
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,445
All of a sudden, it felt like
somebody took their arm
663
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,610
and just knocked my legs
right up from underneath me.
664
00:33:36,645 --> 00:33:41,080
And I went down,
I mean, hard.
665
00:33:41,090 --> 00:33:43,620
Does that sound like this --
this scum bag would do that?
666
00:33:43,655 --> 00:33:45,825
Yeah.
667
00:33:45,860 --> 00:33:47,220
All right.
668
00:33:47,230 --> 00:33:49,790
So did you get anything
on this guy when he was alive?
669
00:33:49,825 --> 00:33:51,625
I saw
he was a white male.
670
00:33:51,660 --> 00:33:55,030
I think he was
in maybe his 40s.
671
00:33:55,065 --> 00:33:57,665
The other thing that I got
672
00:33:57,700 --> 00:34:01,240
was that he had murdered
a woman.
673
00:34:01,275 --> 00:34:03,175
I saw her briefly.
674
00:34:03,210 --> 00:34:05,070
And she was
in a complete panic.
675
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,175
She was screaming.
676
00:34:07,210 --> 00:34:09,360
She was wearing
a white dress,
677
00:34:09,395 --> 00:34:11,510
dark hair,
she looked young.
678
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:12,845
She was petite.
679
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,820
And she wasn't
wearing any shoes.
680
00:34:14,855 --> 00:34:17,150
And it was hot
and sticky.
681
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,420
Then I saw that she was
bashed in the head.
682
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:22,625
And then
her head exploded.
683
00:34:22,660 --> 00:34:24,360
And I just saw the brain
and hair
684
00:34:24,395 --> 00:34:27,195
and everything
just go,
685
00:34:27,230 --> 00:34:29,250
Then I walked
in the kitchen.
686
00:34:29,285 --> 00:34:31,235
And she jumped
into my body.
687
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:35,040
The pain was
absolutely excruciating.
688
00:34:36,140 --> 00:34:37,870
In the last 120 years,
689
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,505
there's only been three women
690
00:34:39,540 --> 00:34:40,775
that have been murdered
in this town.
691
00:34:40,810 --> 00:34:44,150
One of them was right next door.
And it happened in 1889.
692
00:34:44,185 --> 00:34:45,580
The victim was
a 13-year-old girl
693
00:34:45,615 --> 00:34:47,185
named, Cora Grimes.
694
00:34:47,220 --> 00:34:50,650
And she was a beautiful girl,
dark hair, dark eyes.
695
00:34:50,660 --> 00:34:52,425
Now, the year before
she was murdered,
696
00:34:52,460 --> 00:34:56,060
the parents had hired
a farmhand named Eugene Emory.
697
00:34:56,095 --> 00:34:57,947
The guy became
obsessed with her.
698
00:34:57,982 --> 00:34:59,800
The guy was basically
a pedophile.
699
00:34:59,835 --> 00:35:02,465
She's 13. He's 39.
700
00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:04,000
You said the murder
probably happened
701
00:35:04,035 --> 00:35:05,565
when it was sticky and hot?
702
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,670
Well, the murder took place
on June 24, 1889,
703
00:35:08,705 --> 00:35:10,875
so the hot time of the year.
704
00:35:10,910 --> 00:35:13,005
Now, Cora's parents
left for a bit.
705
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,180
Emory approached Cora
and professed his love to her.
706
00:35:16,215 --> 00:35:18,450
She said to him,
"You're too old for me,"
707
00:35:18,485 --> 00:35:20,517
and turned her back on him.
708
00:35:20,552 --> 00:35:22,515
And this guy went into a rage.
709
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:26,225
He picked up
a club-sized piece of firewood
710
00:35:26,260 --> 00:35:31,560
and took a shot at her head
and cracked her skull open.
711
00:35:31,595 --> 00:35:33,527
He wound up turning himself in.
712
00:35:33,562 --> 00:35:35,460
And, he ended up confessing.
713
00:35:35,470 --> 00:35:37,500
He basically said
he lost his mind over the girl
714
00:35:37,535 --> 00:35:39,605
and can't explain
why he killed her.
715
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:44,940
Um, he ended up getting a life
sentence and dying in prison.
716
00:35:44,975 --> 00:35:47,040
Now, we don't have
a photo of him.
717
00:35:47,050 --> 00:35:52,110
But I did track down the sketch
somebody did in the courtroom.
718
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,580
Um, I mean, it's a sketch,
but...
719
00:35:58,460 --> 00:36:01,360
...is it possible that's
the guy you might've seen?
720
00:36:01,395 --> 00:36:03,725
I don't know.
Possible.
721
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,580
It's hard to tell
from that picture.
722
00:36:06,615 --> 00:36:08,992
But the case
sounds very similar.
723
00:36:09,027 --> 00:36:11,335
Everybody just says
I look so young,
724
00:36:11,370 --> 00:36:14,470
which is still creeping me out
that he's in this house.
725
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:18,870
Anything else?
726
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,310
When I went into
the living room,
727
00:36:21,345 --> 00:36:25,310
I saw
two teenage males.
728
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,515
They're a big problem.
They're here.
729
00:36:27,550 --> 00:36:29,285
And I keep going back
and forth on, like,
730
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:34,020
are they really these kids
or are they demons?
731
00:36:34,030 --> 00:36:37,830
Their little mission
is to create this havoc --
732
00:36:37,865 --> 00:36:39,797
torture people,
scare people.
733
00:36:39,832 --> 00:36:42,601
And they can influence
the living
734
00:36:42,636 --> 00:36:45,370
to harm themselves
or others.
735
00:36:45,405 --> 00:36:47,200
How would they get here?
736
00:36:47,210 --> 00:36:50,970
The freaking vortex.
737
00:36:50,980 --> 00:36:52,910
Now, you had mentioned
that they can cause people
738
00:36:52,945 --> 00:36:56,375
to harm themselves and others.
739
00:36:56,410 --> 00:36:59,315
There was a suicide on the
property you should know about.
740
00:36:59,350 --> 00:37:02,220
This place was built by a guy
named Zachariah Spencer.
741
00:37:02,255 --> 00:37:04,150
Come 1843,
742
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,890
Zachariah turned his whole
business over to his son Henry.
743
00:37:07,925 --> 00:37:11,577
Two years after taking
over the business, 1845,
744
00:37:11,612 --> 00:37:15,230
Henry killed himself
right on the property here.
745
00:37:15,265 --> 00:37:17,330
Boy.
746
00:37:17,340 --> 00:37:19,000
I don't even want to ask her
if there's anything else.
747
00:37:19,035 --> 00:37:21,135
But did you see anything else?
748
00:37:21,170 --> 00:37:27,580
The room that I am
extremely nervous about
749
00:37:27,615 --> 00:37:30,832
is the blue room.
750
00:37:30,867 --> 00:37:34,015
Which is Zoey's room.
751
00:37:34,050 --> 00:37:35,620
Now, you sleep in Zoey's room?
752
00:37:35,655 --> 00:37:37,450
Yeah.
753
00:37:37,460 --> 00:37:40,460
I don't sleep in the master
bedroom anymore.
754
00:37:40,495 --> 00:37:43,090
So does Zoey sleep
in there with you?
755
00:37:43,125 --> 00:37:46,297
- No.
- She never did.
756
00:37:46,332 --> 00:37:49,435
Got it. Okay.
Interesting.
757
00:37:49,470 --> 00:37:53,300
The individual that
sleeps in that room
758
00:37:53,335 --> 00:37:59,480
is someone who is
in grave danger.
759
00:37:59,515 --> 00:38:01,775
Those specific dead
760
00:38:01,810 --> 00:38:05,010
are very focused
on that living person.
761
00:38:07,390 --> 00:38:09,890
So what the hell
do they want from Cindy?
762
00:38:09,925 --> 00:38:12,822
You've been subject
to that room
763
00:38:12,857 --> 00:38:15,720
where that horrible
vortex thing is.
764
00:38:15,730 --> 00:38:18,290
And they followed you.
765
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:27,405
I think that they are
trying to possess you.
766
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:34,340
I mean, they can jump you
and mold you into a killer.
767
00:38:34,350 --> 00:38:37,110
My gosh.
768
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,620
They're probably
trying to get you
769
00:38:39,655 --> 00:38:42,237
as close to death
as possible
770
00:38:42,272 --> 00:38:44,820
'cause that would be
the easiest,
771
00:38:44,855 --> 00:38:47,142
time for them.
772
00:38:47,177 --> 00:38:49,395
That's scary.
773
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:51,830
Goodness.
I wasn't expecting that.
774
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,255
So, Kelsey,
you called us in
775
00:39:12,290 --> 00:39:14,060
'cause you're worried
about your kids.
776
00:39:14,095 --> 00:39:15,330
But it turns out,
your mother's
777
00:39:15,365 --> 00:39:16,725
the one that's in danger.
778
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,460
To see if there's any way
you guys can stay here safely,
779
00:39:19,470 --> 00:39:21,230
I'm gonna turn it over to Amy.
780
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:32,040
It just isn't
the right place.
781
00:39:32,075 --> 00:39:36,045
My goodness.
782
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,920
And I think, honestly,
as quickly as possible,
783
00:39:38,955 --> 00:39:41,190
you need to get out
of the house.
784
00:39:43,460 --> 00:39:45,225
And once you leave,
785
00:39:45,260 --> 00:39:49,060
you then also need
to go for an exorcism.
786
00:39:52,570 --> 00:39:55,700
Once that's done,
all the attachments will go away
787
00:39:55,735 --> 00:39:58,300
so there'll be no more desire
to return
788
00:39:58,335 --> 00:40:00,372
and things like that.
789
00:40:00,407 --> 00:40:02,375
As far as this location,
790
00:40:02,410 --> 00:40:07,180
I don't think anyone alive
should live here.
791
00:40:09,850 --> 00:40:12,880
Kind of figured
something like that
792
00:40:12,890 --> 00:40:16,790
was gonna be
what the outcome was.
793
00:40:16,825 --> 00:40:19,290
Well, I wasn't.
794
00:40:25,830 --> 00:40:27,895
I love this house.
795
00:40:27,930 --> 00:40:29,135
You might feel differently
796
00:40:29,170 --> 00:40:31,740
once you're away
for a few months
797
00:40:31,775 --> 00:40:34,275
after you have
your exorcism.
798
00:40:34,310 --> 00:40:35,570
If she gets the exorcism
done right...
799
00:40:36,980 --> 00:40:38,410
...do you think she'll start
to heal a little bit better?
800
00:40:38,445 --> 00:40:41,210
Yeah.
Once you leave the location
801
00:40:41,245 --> 00:40:43,045
and you have the exorcism,
802
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,985
I think you'll see
a dramatic change --
803
00:40:46,020 --> 00:40:48,890
your emotional state,
your mental state,
804
00:40:48,925 --> 00:40:50,757
your physical state.
805
00:40:50,792 --> 00:40:52,590
And if they stay?
806
00:40:52,625 --> 00:40:54,295
I just...
807
00:40:54,330 --> 00:40:56,390
That's just not
an option to me.
808
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:57,995
I'm sorry.
But it's just not.
809
00:40:58,030 --> 00:41:00,060
Um, absolutely would
not recommend that.
810
00:41:00,070 --> 00:41:03,520
Well, I'm a little concerned
about you, though.
811
00:41:03,555 --> 00:41:06,970
I know what she's saying
that you need to do.
812
00:41:07,005 --> 00:41:09,970
But I'm wondering
if you're like,
813
00:41:09,980 --> 00:41:11,380
"I'm not giving up this house."
814
00:41:11,415 --> 00:41:13,645
No, I'm going.
815
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,350
No ifs,
ands or buts about it.
816
00:41:16,385 --> 00:41:18,380
- Okay.
- Yep.
817
00:41:18,415 --> 00:41:19,815
Yeah.
818
00:41:19,850 --> 00:41:23,350
This is so much bigger
than what I thought.
819
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,555
No house is worth this.
- No.
820
00:41:25,590 --> 00:41:29,530
I just didn't realize how
big of a nightmare we were in.
821
00:41:31,730 --> 00:41:34,600
The only way Cindy and
Kelsey can save their family
822
00:41:34,635 --> 00:41:37,435
is to move as far away
as possible.
823
00:41:37,470 --> 00:41:40,300
If they do that and get
an exorcism for Cindy,
824
00:41:40,310 --> 00:41:42,870
all of the attachments
to the dead will be broken.
825
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,610
And they can begin to lead
a peaceful life.
826
00:41:45,660 --> 00:41:50,210
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