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* Breichiau mam sy'n
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* Dynn amdanat
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* Cariad mam sy
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* Dan fy mron
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* Ni chaiff dim amharu'th gyntun
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* Ni wna undyn a thi gam *.
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Prime Minister Tony Blair
has led political
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tributes from a grateful nation...
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Hey, Dad.
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- Morning, sunshine. You up?
- Up? I'm out and about!
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Hm, pardon me, early riser.
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What is it, Dad?
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You said there was a match today.
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Oh, yeah.
Only a crappy school thing.
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Oh, well, I wanna come. Where is it?
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No, Dad, seriously,
it's not that type of match.
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No parents are gonna be there.
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You're wrong. I'll be there.
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...the Queen's 80th birthday
celebrations.
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Her sense of duty and service,
said Mr Blair...
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We set?
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Boss.
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Morning.
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Steve.
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How's the report coming?
ACPO are asking.
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Yeah, should be with you
by the end of play today.
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Any nasty surprises?
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I wish. It's gonna be a job
for me to find something to do.
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I have a hunch you'll manage.
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What's with the TV crew, Dave?
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Old news.
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Argh!
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Hey. What's up?
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So, er, Jack just texted
to say you're picking him up
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from the match.
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Yeah. Is there a problem?
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Well, back a month
and you're running the show.
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Look, just...
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just make sure you're there.
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Fran, I'll be there.
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Go on, Jack.
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So, I was thinking, we could have
a mid-week boys' night in.
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Take-away, DVD?
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I've cleared it with Mum.
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I said I'd stay over at Ryan's.
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Can't you stay at Ryan's
another night?
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I was thinking, how about you spend
one week with me,
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one week with your mum...?
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You know, that gives Mum and Mike
some space, too.
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Did Mum ask you to do this?
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No!
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But she's fine about it,
if you are.
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Can I think about it?
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Absolutely. Yeah.
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Look, go and stay at Ryan's tonight
and we'll chat.
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Come here.
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With so many recent successes
nationwide
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where DNA has played a key role
in solving cold cases,
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attention will inevitably turn to
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unsolved murders in Wales,
most notably the double murders
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of Peter and Gwenda Dixon
in Pembrokeshire.
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Jonathan Hill reports.
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Over 17 years ago,
the couple were blasted to death
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with a shotgun by an unknown killer
as they walked along here
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at the Coastal Path in Little Haven
in Pembrokeshire.
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Despite
a huge police investigation,
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no-one was ever charged
for the crime,
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and the Dixon family's long wait
for justice continues.
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A lot of people have said
they no longer feel comfortable
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coming to this path any more.
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They say
it no longer feels the same.
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We asked Dyfed Powys Police
for a comment
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but were told that no-one
was available.
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Old news?
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Meanwhile, the identity of John
and Gwenda Dixon's vicious killer
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remains unknown.
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How you settling in, Steve?
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It's like I never left.
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I found only one area
where we're exposed.
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No thorough forensic reviews
of serious crimes.
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Most notably Coastal Path.
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You saw the news.
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Yeah. What's the story?
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The unlikelihood
of finding anything new.
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The distress that would cause
the Dixon family.
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And, if we failed,
the delight the media would take
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in hauling us through the muck.
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A few years back, they branded us
"institutionally incompetent",
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and it stuck.
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Well, it's about time
we did something about that.
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I'd like to take a look at Coastal
Path, see if there's anything there.
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That OK with you?
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You don't need my permission.
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DCI George Jones was SIO on it.
Is he still about?
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Yeah, he is. But, Steve,
go easy on the old bloke.
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Thank you for seeing me, sir.
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A police dog found them.
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Six days
after they were reported missing.
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The maggots gave us
the time of death.
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After he murdered them, the attacker
stole Peter Dixon's wallet
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and wedding ring.
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It's not much of a reason
to end two lives, is it?
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Gwenda Dixon was sexually assaulted
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with her husband lying dead
not six feet away.
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He was a sick, sadistic bastard.
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He didn't need a reason.
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We did the best we could.
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I won't be made a scapegoat.
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That's not why I'm here, sir.
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So, four days after the murders,
a man walked into
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Pembroke Bespoke Jewellers
and sold a 22-carat gold band.
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The band matched the description of
Peter Dixon's stolen wedding ring.
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And the seller of the ring
had signed the receipt J Cooper.
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Now, on the basis of
this information,
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one of your team, a DC Dylan Rees?
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He questioned a John William Cooper
of 28 Rose Meadow Lane, Birchmede.
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Cooper said that the ring
was his own
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and that he sold it
because he needed the cash,
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and then his wife
confirmed the story.
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And then no further action
was taken.
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I'm curious to hear your view
on this.
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I sent a DC to do a DCI's job.
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I should've questioned Cooper
myself, but we...
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we were swamped.
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After the case was closed,
I learnt that Rees
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drank in the same pub as Cooper,
together.
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My view is that Cooper...
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used the fact
they knew each other.
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That Rees...
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was manipulated.
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- Where's Cooper now?
- Dyffryn Prison.
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He was sentenced to 16 years in 1998
for a string of, er...
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...burglaries and robberies.
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The investigation was codenamed
Huntsman.
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They interviewed Cooper,
but didn't get anything.
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16 years in 1998...
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If he's behaved himself,
he'll be up for parole.
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Where it happened
is just below Talbenny church.
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The spot is marked by a plaque.
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The Dixons' son and daughter
leave a wreath every year.
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You found us, then.
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So, you're doing a bit of digging
on John William Cooper?
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I am.
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Let's hope you have better luck
than we did.
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Operation Huntsman.
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This was us.
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There's a few odds and sods
stored elsewhere,
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but most of this was confiscated
from Cooper's home.
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The place was a pigsty.
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You arrested him for a string of
burglaries and robberies,
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but you also questioned him
about the murders at Coastal Path.
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- Why?
- His MO, sir.
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We did him for a robbery that was
a carbon copy of the Coastal Path.
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Robbery, tied-up victim, a shotgun.
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That's why we also questioned him
about Scoveston Park.
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20 years ago, Scoveston Park?
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21 years ago now.
December, '85.
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Theft, arson and double murder.
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- Brother and sister.
- Richard and Helen Thomas.
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The difference was that
the killer resorted to arson
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to cover his tracks.
He started a fire.
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He completely destroyed the place.
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Tough on evidence gathering.
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Yeah.
And even tougher on forensics.
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Did Cooper tell you anything
in the interviews?
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Nothing. When we mentioned
the murders, he just shut down.
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We had to move on.
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With all the lesser offences,
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we found almost every single
stolen item in his home.
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You charge them with
what you can prove.
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- Did you speak to the family?
- We did.
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Yeah, the wife gave us nothing.
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She was more frightened of him
than us.
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The son was useful.
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Yeah, he hated his dad, though.
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He wanted nothing to do with him.
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The reason your Disability
Allowance payment has been delayed
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is because
you changed your first name.
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Yeah, eight years ago,
by statutory declaration.
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I gave you people
a copy of the certificate!
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Look...
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I've had enough of this.
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Can you get a manager on the line,
please?
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I'm not authorised to do that, sir.
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- What's your first name, Mr Cooper?
- Andrew.
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Not Adrian, Andrew.
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Andrew Cooper.
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And...
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don't talk to me
like I'm an idiot.
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- Hold the line, please, sir.
- No, please don't...
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Please continue to
hold. Your call is important to us.
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- Hi, Dad.
- Oh, hello!
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Laundry.
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The machine at the salon's on the
blink and you're closer than Mum's.
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Well...
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...good to know
I'm useful for something.
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Payment.
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"Maximum hold."
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Thank you, love.
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The place is looking nice now.
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Very tidy.
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It'll do, until I find something
a bit more permanent.
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Do you want to stay,
have a bite to eat?
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Sorry.
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Late for the cinema.
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OK, love, enjoy yourself.
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Jack's really chuffed
that you're back.
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Is he?
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Don't try too hard.
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Just give him a bit of time.
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Right, OK.
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I'll pick up the stuff tomorrow.
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Hey...
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When did you become so mature?
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Ages ago.
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I'm a girl.
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John William Cooper.
Do you know him?
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Yeah, I've heard of him.
And Operation Huntsman, obviously.
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What would you say if I told you
his offending kit for the robberies
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was black gloves, balaclava
and shotgun?
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I'd say Nolton Hill Estate.
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The shotgun he used,
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recovered from a robbery gone wrong
in the village of Sardis.
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It was the customised shoulder strap
which got my attention.
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Sawn-off, modified stock.
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Jesus, Steve, is it him?
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Him who?
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What's going on?
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Do you remember Nolton Hill?
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Ten years ago.
A few months before I left.
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A masked man with a shotgun
attacked five teenagers
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near the Nolton Hill Estate.
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One of the girls was raped.
Another sexually assaulted.
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- It was never solved.
- I remember.
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DI Richards and myself
were called in to assist.
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The two boys knew about guns.
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Yeah, they used to do
a bit of rabbiting.
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Their description of the shotgun
that the attacker used
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exactly matched that gun.
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Hang on. Back up a bit, Steve.
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The last I heard,
you were looking at Coastal Path.
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I was.
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I am.
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And that led me to this.
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I'll ask you again, John,
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regarding the murders
of Peter and Gwenda Dixon
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on the morning
of Thursday 29th June, 1989,
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were you the person responsible?
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I am not a murderer.
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- Strong accent.
- South Pembrokeshire.
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Watch this...
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John, what about Scoveston Park?
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We have witnesses who say that
you knew Richard and Helen Thomas.
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My client is exercising
his right to silence.
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John...
Come on, John, don't be like that.
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John.
257
00:18:11,564 --> 00:18:12,683
John!
258
00:18:13,804 --> 00:18:15,284
Steve...
259
00:18:15,324 --> 00:18:18,003
ever since Huntsman,
gossip has put Cooper in the frame
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00:18:18,004 --> 00:18:20,442
- for 101 offences.
- I'm talking about just three.
261
00:18:20,443 --> 00:18:24,123
Coastal Path, Scoveston Park,
Nolton Hill.
262
00:18:26,524 --> 00:18:28,643
I think he did them all.
263
00:19:01,524 --> 00:19:03,403
Not now, Jack.
264
00:19:09,524 --> 00:19:10,804
Here they come.
265
00:19:13,564 --> 00:19:16,203
How did Operation Huntsman
miss all this?
266
00:19:16,204 --> 00:19:17,402
They didn't, ma'am.
267
00:19:17,403 --> 00:19:19,602
They questioned Cooper
on all three cases
268
00:19:19,603 --> 00:19:21,403
and he just stayed mute.
269
00:19:21,443 --> 00:19:25,091
Plus, as I touched on earlier,
there was no hard evidence.
270
00:19:25,964 --> 00:19:27,842
Where's your hard evidence, Steve?
271
00:19:27,843 --> 00:19:30,603
It's waiting for us to find, ma'am.
272
00:19:30,643 --> 00:19:33,243
Thanks to Huntsman
and the original investigations,
273
00:19:33,244 --> 00:19:36,564
we have access to over 3,000
exhibits in storage.
274
00:19:36,603 --> 00:19:40,283
That's a potential treasure trove
of victim and perpetrator DNA.
275
00:19:40,284 --> 00:19:41,682
At the time of Huntsman,
276
00:19:41,683 --> 00:19:44,243
the science wasn't up to scratch
on age-degraded trace DNA.
277
00:19:44,244 --> 00:19:47,380
But as we know,
things have come a long way since.
278
00:19:48,044 --> 00:19:49,803
Say you get enough to charge him.
279
00:19:49,804 --> 00:19:53,483
Charging a man with the murders
of four adults is clear, simple.
280
00:19:53,484 --> 00:19:56,883
But you add five minors, rape,
sexual assault,
281
00:19:56,923 --> 00:19:58,963
the Crown's case could seem muddled.
282
00:19:58,964 --> 00:20:01,284
The CPS won't like that.
283
00:20:01,324 --> 00:20:04,523
Perhaps it would be wiser to confine
the review to the two murders.
284
00:20:04,524 --> 00:20:08,724
With respect, ma'am, I interviewed
the five victims as a WDC.
285
00:20:08,764 --> 00:20:11,764
And it made quite an impression
on me.
286
00:20:11,804 --> 00:20:14,243
So much so, I've kept tabs on them
over the years.
287
00:20:14,244 --> 00:20:16,602
Now, some are doing better
than others, but...
288
00:20:16,603 --> 00:20:19,284
all of them have been
scarred for life.
289
00:20:19,324 --> 00:20:21,682
They had their childhood
stolen from them that night.
290
00:20:21,683 --> 00:20:24,683
They deserve another chance
at justice.
291
00:20:24,724 --> 00:20:27,003
As do all the victims
and their families.
292
00:20:27,004 --> 00:20:29,043
All I'm saying is,
if you try to prove too much,
293
00:20:29,044 --> 00:20:31,204
you could lose everything.
294
00:20:31,244 --> 00:20:35,523
The killings at Scoveston Park and
Coastal Path are like two bricks.
295
00:20:35,524 --> 00:20:39,122
And the attacks on the kids is
the mortar that holds them together.
296
00:20:39,123 --> 00:20:41,643
It has elements of both cases.
297
00:20:41,683 --> 00:20:43,564
And, ma'am, erm...
298
00:20:43,603 --> 00:20:45,082
what are the odds that offences,
299
00:20:45,083 --> 00:20:48,123
which share so much similar
fact evidence,
300
00:20:48,163 --> 00:20:51,811
in such a small area,
were committed by more than one man?
301
00:20:54,764 --> 00:20:58,203
You know, if we reinvestigate
and it doesn't go our way,
302
00:20:58,204 --> 00:21:02,564
the media, the public, the families,
they'll crucify us.
303
00:21:02,603 --> 00:21:05,611
And if we don't go ahead,
it could be far worse.
304
00:21:05,883 --> 00:21:07,243
We've put a call into MAPPA.
305
00:21:07,244 --> 00:21:09,563
A date's been set
for his parole hearing.
306
00:21:09,564 --> 00:21:11,283
He could be out in three months.
307
00:21:11,284 --> 00:21:13,403
If he did do these murders,
308
00:21:13,443 --> 00:21:15,910
he is, by definition,
a serial killer.
309
00:21:16,724 --> 00:21:20,443
And given the opportunity,
men like him...
310
00:21:20,484 --> 00:21:22,164
they always kill again.
311
00:21:35,403 --> 00:21:36,804
Next.
312
00:22:01,324 --> 00:22:04,643
The next time you visit,
make an effort, will you?
313
00:22:06,724 --> 00:22:09,123
You look like an old woman.
314
00:22:09,163 --> 00:22:10,964
Adrian's back.
315
00:22:11,004 --> 00:22:12,204
What?
316
00:22:12,244 --> 00:22:14,082
I saw Shirley from Birchmede.
317
00:22:14,083 --> 00:22:16,963
Her daughter's a receptionist
in the hospital.
318
00:22:16,964 --> 00:22:19,362
Apparently,
he was walking with a stick.
319
00:22:19,363 --> 00:22:20,683
A stick?
320
00:22:20,724 --> 00:22:23,283
- Well, that's gotta be a scam.
- Well, that's what she said.
321
00:22:23,284 --> 00:22:25,283
Anyway, Adrian wasn't like that.
322
00:22:25,284 --> 00:22:26,643
He was a worker.
323
00:22:26,683 --> 00:22:28,563
What, you're defending him now,
are you, hm?
324
00:22:28,564 --> 00:22:30,843
He's dead to us.
325
00:22:45,403 --> 00:22:48,004
Sorry, Andrew. Did I hurt you?
326
00:22:48,044 --> 00:22:49,804
It wasn't you.
327
00:22:50,964 --> 00:22:53,563
It's all right, just relax,
I've got you.
328
00:23:25,044 --> 00:23:27,163
28 Rose Meadow Lane.
329
00:23:27,204 --> 00:23:29,871
Cooper's last home
before he went inside.
330
00:23:30,883 --> 00:23:33,162
Walk in any direction
from this point
331
00:23:33,163 --> 00:23:36,483
and you'll hit a home he targeted
between '83 and '96.
332
00:23:36,484 --> 00:23:38,162
It's the hub of the wheel.
333
00:23:38,163 --> 00:23:39,843
In this tiny area,
334
00:23:39,883 --> 00:23:43,363
34 burglaries and robberies,
one rape of a minor,
335
00:23:43,403 --> 00:23:45,670
one indecent assault of a minor...
336
00:23:46,244 --> 00:23:47,764
...and two murders.
337
00:23:50,284 --> 00:23:51,884
If walls could talk.
338
00:23:59,004 --> 00:24:00,724
Been back since?
339
00:24:00,764 --> 00:24:03,564
A few times to see how the kids
were doing.
340
00:24:08,603 --> 00:24:12,003
So, I was thinking a start-up team
of six, including us,
341
00:24:12,004 --> 00:24:13,283
cherry-picked from division.
342
00:24:13,284 --> 00:24:16,044
That way, we can keep things covert
343
00:24:16,083 --> 00:24:17,682
and it should be easier
on our budget.
344
00:24:17,683 --> 00:24:19,443
Mm, sounds like a plan.
345
00:24:20,764 --> 00:24:23,043
I really appreciate you bringing me
in on this, Steve.
346
00:24:23,044 --> 00:24:25,564
Your reputation brought you in.
347
00:24:25,603 --> 00:24:28,044
WDC to DI in ten years.
348
00:24:28,083 --> 00:24:30,083
Says Mr DS to Superintendent.
349
00:24:30,123 --> 00:24:31,564
London.
350
00:24:31,603 --> 00:24:33,403
The worst years of my life.
351
00:24:36,603 --> 00:24:39,867
Yeah, I was sorry to hear about
you and your missus.
352
00:24:40,123 --> 00:24:41,804
It is what it is.
353
00:24:58,643 --> 00:25:01,715
They were so close to home
when he attacked them.
354
00:25:02,564 --> 00:25:04,443
It looks so bloody ordinary.
355
00:25:08,964 --> 00:25:11,083
To Operation Ottawa.
356
00:25:14,524 --> 00:25:16,124
To Operation Ottawa.
357
00:26:18,879 --> 00:26:20,079
It's all right.
358
00:26:21,318 --> 00:26:23,278
This is home.
359
00:26:23,318 --> 00:26:25,198
The first rule of Operation Ottawa
360
00:26:25,199 --> 00:26:27,918
is you do not talk about
Operation Ottawa.
361
00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:30,118
The second rule of Operation Ottawa
is...?
362
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,652
You do not talk about
Operation Ottawa.
363
00:26:32,919 --> 00:26:35,199
It's from Fight Club.
It's a film.
364
00:26:35,238 --> 00:26:38,078
Thank you, Barry Norman.
365
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,478
We don't say a word to friends,
colleagues or family.
366
00:26:42,518 --> 00:26:44,998
Yeah, they'll get narky with us,
but it's the way it has to be.
367
00:26:44,999 --> 00:26:48,037
We don't want Cooper, or the media,
seeing us coming.
368
00:26:48,038 --> 00:26:49,518
Boss...
369
00:26:49,558 --> 00:26:52,278
Cold cases are 99% forensics.
370
00:26:52,318 --> 00:26:54,651
So, we need to do everything we can
371
00:26:54,679 --> 00:26:58,879
to help the scientists
find that DNA golden nugget,
372
00:26:58,919 --> 00:27:03,639
the DNA hit that unites culprit and
victim in the same time and place.
373
00:27:03,679 --> 00:27:04,918
Now, our forensics
374
00:27:04,919 --> 00:27:07,997
mustn't be tainted by any of
the work that's gone before.
375
00:27:07,998 --> 00:27:11,477
Previous investigations
had all their testing done in-house
376
00:27:11,478 --> 00:27:13,398
by the Forensic Science Service.
377
00:27:13,399 --> 00:27:15,558
But the science has moved on.
378
00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:17,837
We need a fresh pair of eyes
on this.
379
00:27:17,838 --> 00:27:18,959
Angela Gallop.
380
00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:22,158
She has been involved in
381
00:27:22,159 --> 00:27:24,398
some of the highest profile cases
of the last ten years.
382
00:27:24,399 --> 00:27:28,399
Lynette White, Stephen Lawrence,
Damilola Taylor.
383
00:27:28,439 --> 00:27:30,638
Dr Gallop and her team
are the best in the business.
384
00:27:30,639 --> 00:27:32,518
But they can only find
what they're looking for
385
00:27:32,519 --> 00:27:34,998
if they look in the right place.
And that's where we come in.
386
00:27:34,999 --> 00:27:36,878
We need to identify which items
of evidence
387
00:27:36,879 --> 00:27:41,318
are most likely to carry Cooper
and/or victim DNA in whatever form.
388
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,919
Skin, hair, saliva, semen, blood.
389
00:27:43,959 --> 00:27:45,757
Now, in an ideal world,
there'd be no limit
390
00:27:45,758 --> 00:27:47,958
to the amount of exhibits
we could send for analysis.
391
00:27:47,959 --> 00:27:49,439
But...
392
00:27:49,478 --> 00:27:50,958
forensic work is not cheap.
393
00:27:50,959 --> 00:27:53,758
And our budget is finite.
394
00:27:53,798 --> 00:27:56,159
In short, whatever we send
395
00:27:56,199 --> 00:27:58,932
needs to be chosen
very fucking carefully.
396
00:28:04,038 --> 00:28:05,557
Our first case tonight
397
00:28:05,558 --> 00:28:08,198
is an extraordinary double murder
in South Wales.
398
00:28:08,199 --> 00:28:10,679
On the evening of 22nd December,
1985,
399
00:28:10,719 --> 00:28:13,317
Richard Thomas
and his sister, Helen Thomas,
400
00:28:13,318 --> 00:28:15,118
were attacked in their home
401
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,118
at Scoveston Park,
three miles outside Milford.
402
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,918
She was shot,
probably in her bedroom.
403
00:28:18,919 --> 00:28:20,958
And it was in that room
at about ten o'clock
404
00:28:20,959 --> 00:28:22,638
that the fire was started.
405
00:28:22,639 --> 00:28:26,317
Richard Thomas died of shotgun
wounds to the stomach and the head.
406
00:28:26,318 --> 00:28:30,719
Emergency services were called
at 1:15am on 23rd of December.
407
00:28:30,758 --> 00:28:33,797
Scene of Crime Officers entered
the property the following morning
408
00:28:33,798 --> 00:28:35,317
and found Helen Thomas' body
on a bed.
409
00:28:35,318 --> 00:28:37,118
It's believed
she was sexually assaulted.
410
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,599
On the morning of June 29th, 1989,
411
00:28:39,639 --> 00:28:44,238
Peter and Gwenda Dixon were murdered
on the Pembrokeshire Coastal Path
412
00:28:44,278 --> 00:28:45,557
near Little Haven.
413
00:28:45,558 --> 00:28:48,598
The couple from Oxford
decided to take a short walk
414
00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:50,797
while they waited for their tent
to dry.
415
00:28:50,798 --> 00:28:53,958
Their bodies were found six days
later on the cliffs at Little Haven.
416
00:28:53,959 --> 00:28:57,478
Now, one of Wales
most spectacular beauty spots...
417
00:28:57,518 --> 00:29:02,998
Between 7:45pm and 8:45pm
on Wednesday 6th March, 1996,
418
00:29:03,038 --> 00:29:07,998
five children, aged between 15
and 16, were attacked in a field
419
00:29:08,038 --> 00:29:09,398
next to the Norton Hill Estate.
420
00:29:09,399 --> 00:29:12,359
On the evening of November 22nd,
1996,
421
00:29:12,399 --> 00:29:16,318
a bungalow in Sardis,
six miles from Milford, was burgled.
422
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:20,078
The victim was confronted
by a man in a balaclava.
423
00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:21,638
They were approached
by a masked man.
424
00:29:21,639 --> 00:29:23,918
The children were threatened,
told to lie on the ground.
425
00:29:23,919 --> 00:29:26,918
One of the girls was raped,
another indecently assaulted.
426
00:29:26,919 --> 00:29:30,477
The victim managed to press a panic
alarm, causing the offender to flee,
427
00:29:30,478 --> 00:29:32,398
depositing personal items as he ran.
428
00:29:32,399 --> 00:29:36,838
These included stolen jewellery,
items of clothing, a balaclava,
429
00:29:36,879 --> 00:29:40,478
some black gloves
and his double-barrel shotgun.
430
00:29:40,518 --> 00:29:42,718
One of the boys was struck
in the head
431
00:29:42,719 --> 00:29:44,958
with a sawn-off
double-barrel shotgun.
432
00:29:44,959 --> 00:29:49,159
Then husband and wife
were shot at point-blank range.
433
00:29:49,199 --> 00:29:52,757
Forensic evidence suggests
Gwenda Dixon was sexually assaulted
434
00:29:52,758 --> 00:29:54,478
at this location here.
435
00:29:54,518 --> 00:29:57,198
Most of the evidence
was destroyed in the fire.
436
00:29:57,199 --> 00:30:00,198
They did manage to retrieve
a sock belonging to Mr Thomas
437
00:30:00,199 --> 00:30:02,198
and a few other items,
but that's it.
438
00:30:02,199 --> 00:30:05,399
- No DNA would have survived a fire like that.
- No.
439
00:30:05,439 --> 00:30:07,797
Just save our money for items
more likely to yield a hit.
440
00:30:07,798 --> 00:30:09,531
Coastal Path, Nolton Hill.
441
00:30:09,558 --> 00:30:10,758
Agreed.
442
00:30:10,798 --> 00:30:13,158
But we still need to recover
any Scoveston Park exhibits
443
00:30:13,159 --> 00:30:15,626
that would support
our take on his MO.
444
00:30:16,558 --> 00:30:17,798
Exactly.
445
00:30:17,838 --> 00:30:19,077
Tied-up victims.
446
00:30:19,078 --> 00:30:21,557
The rope used to bind
Helen Thomas' hands.
447
00:30:21,558 --> 00:30:24,159
Helen Thomas' bra was torn.
448
00:30:24,199 --> 00:30:26,038
That's sexual assault.
449
00:30:44,238 --> 00:30:45,359
MTJ/29.
450
00:30:45,399 --> 00:30:47,359
- Er, clothing.
- Yeah.
451
00:30:48,399 --> 00:30:50,159
CJE/2.
452
00:30:50,199 --> 00:30:51,477
Nolton Hill rainbow T-shirt.
453
00:30:51,478 --> 00:30:53,077
Give me ten patch tests
454
00:30:53,078 --> 00:30:55,517
on that, corresponding with
the victim's bruising.
455
00:30:55,518 --> 00:30:56,599
Yeah.
456
00:30:56,639 --> 00:30:58,798
- CJE/16.
- Coastal Path rope.
457
00:30:58,838 --> 00:31:00,599
Despite a massive search
458
00:31:00,639 --> 00:31:02,837
for a suspect seen using
the Dixons' cash card...
459
00:31:02,838 --> 00:31:05,358
Peter Dixon's bank card
was used to withdraw cash
460
00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:07,758
from NatWest cashpoint machines
461
00:31:07,798 --> 00:31:10,919
at Pembroke, Haverfordwest
and Carmarthen.
462
00:31:10,959 --> 00:31:12,477
A man wearing shorts
463
00:31:12,478 --> 00:31:15,198
was seen by a member of the public
making one of these withdrawals.
464
00:31:15,199 --> 00:31:18,959
From this siting, police made
this artist's impression.
465
00:31:24,919 --> 00:31:29,119
Exhibit reference number MTJ/14,
black balaclava.
466
00:31:29,159 --> 00:31:32,119
Exhibit reference PH/2,
double-barrel shotgun.
467
00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:35,359
- The Sardis gun, yeah?
- Yeah.
468
00:31:35,919 --> 00:31:38,878
12 patches tested.
Six on the barrel, six on the stock.
469
00:31:38,879 --> 00:31:43,558
In total, officers recovered 66
items in a fairly straight line
470
00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:48,399
from the bungalow in Sardis
to 28 Rose Meadow Lane.
471
00:31:49,959 --> 00:31:52,439
The home of John William Cooper.
472
00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:09,599
Dad?
473
00:32:10,679 --> 00:32:11,838
Hiya, Jack!
474
00:32:13,558 --> 00:32:17,199
- Have I come at a bad time?
- No, no, of course not.
475
00:32:17,238 --> 00:32:18,318
Well...
476
00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:20,359
let the male bonding commence.
477
00:32:21,558 --> 00:32:23,757
Does your mother know you're here?
478
00:32:23,758 --> 00:32:27,178
Yeah. You don't need to check, Dad,
she knows.
479
00:32:27,180 --> 00:32:29,734
You two haven't had a fight,
by any chance?
480
00:32:29,735 --> 00:32:31,758
Nothing major.
481
00:32:31,798 --> 00:32:33,159
All right.
482
00:32:33,199 --> 00:32:34,199
OK.
483
00:32:35,679 --> 00:32:38,412
Well, you know where it is.
Go and unpack.
484
00:32:54,639 --> 00:32:56,838
- Morning.
- Yeah, Steve.
485
00:32:56,879 --> 00:32:58,879
You need to re-route to HQ.
486
00:32:58,919 --> 00:33:01,159
We've got a fly in the ointment.
487
00:33:13,998 --> 00:33:15,439
Morning.
488
00:33:15,478 --> 00:33:17,118
Jonathan Hill for Steve Wilkins.
489
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:18,986
- Just a moment.
- Thank you.
490
00:33:32,959 --> 00:33:34,399
Mr Hill.
491
00:33:34,439 --> 00:33:38,151
Detective Superintendent
Steve Wilkins, Deputy Head of CID.
492
00:33:38,959 --> 00:33:40,958
Comms referred your query to me.
493
00:33:40,959 --> 00:33:42,878
I understand
you want to make a programme
494
00:33:42,879 --> 00:33:44,946
about the Coastal Path murders.
495
00:33:45,639 --> 00:33:48,757
Erm, actually,
it's a bit more specific than that.
496
00:33:48,758 --> 00:33:50,477
Erm, I would like
to make a documentary
497
00:33:50,478 --> 00:33:53,399
exploring the possibility that...
498
00:33:53,439 --> 00:33:55,198
the double murders at Coastal Path
499
00:33:55,199 --> 00:33:58,591
might be linked to the ones
at Scoveston Park in 1985.
500
00:33:59,278 --> 00:34:01,345
That would be a problem for us.
501
00:34:02,278 --> 00:34:03,798
How do you mean?
502
00:34:03,838 --> 00:34:07,550
Mr Hill, what I'm about to tell you
cannot leave this room.
503
00:34:09,518 --> 00:34:13,998
I'm not in the habit of agreeing to
things before I know what they are.
504
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:16,878
We are re-investigating
the two offences.
505
00:34:19,758 --> 00:34:22,237
Right, and how would
a documentary about the murders
506
00:34:22,238 --> 00:34:23,678
interfere with that?
507
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:27,078
The killer, or killers,
think they've got away with murder.
508
00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:29,437
A news piece would rattle them,
make them vigilant.
509
00:34:29,438 --> 00:34:33,342
And that would be weeks of
covert police work down the toilet.
510
00:34:33,838 --> 00:34:35,159
So...
511
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:36,878
I'll tell you what.
512
00:34:36,918 --> 00:34:39,118
If you agree to shelve
your proposed documentary,
513
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:41,398
maintain a news blackout,
514
00:34:41,438 --> 00:34:43,639
when we're ready to go public,
515
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,546
I will see to it that
you get the exclusive.
516
00:34:50,798 --> 00:34:51,999
OK.
517
00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:54,399
OK, it's a deal.
518
00:34:57,318 --> 00:34:58,957
I want Dyfed Powys Police
519
00:34:58,958 --> 00:35:02,559
and the media to stop fighting
and start collaborating.
520
00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:04,079
But...
521
00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:06,238
if you fuck me on this,
522
00:35:06,278 --> 00:35:10,479
I will see to it that every officer
from CID to peach-fuzz PC
523
00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:13,783
knows that Jonathan Hill
is not a man to be trusted.
524
00:35:20,798 --> 00:35:21,999
Boss...
525
00:35:25,318 --> 00:35:27,119
What the fuck are those?
526
00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:28,917
Professional portrait photos.
527
00:35:28,918 --> 00:35:31,039
They had them done in 1978
528
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:34,151
after he won all that money
on the Spot The Ball.
529
00:35:36,479 --> 00:35:37,837
Those teeth don't look real.
530
00:35:37,838 --> 00:35:40,678
They're the only two photographs
Huntsman found in the whole house.
531
00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:42,877
I've done a lot of evidence recovery
in my time.
532
00:35:42,878 --> 00:35:44,478
Two photos in a family home?
533
00:35:44,479 --> 00:35:46,318
- It's not right.
- Mm.
534
00:35:46,358 --> 00:35:50,006
- Together, but apart.
- And their son nowhere to be seen.
535
00:36:07,238 --> 00:36:09,999
You've been the model prisoner,
Mr Cooper.
536
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:12,237
How confident are you
that you can maintain
537
00:36:12,238 --> 00:36:15,719
this change for the better
in the outside world?
538
00:36:15,758 --> 00:36:17,519
100%, your honour.
539
00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:21,199
One of the offences
involved violence towards a woman.
540
00:36:21,238 --> 00:36:23,358
What can you say to reassure us
541
00:36:23,398 --> 00:36:26,718
that you no longer pose a threat to
the female members of the community?
542
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,852
I'm not the same man that I was.
543
00:36:28,878 --> 00:36:31,345
The love and the loyalty
of my wife...
544
00:36:32,918 --> 00:36:34,719
...has helped me with that.
545
00:36:34,758 --> 00:36:37,158
Your wife has been
a regular visitor.
546
00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:41,479
But your son, Adrian,
hasn't visited you once.
547
00:36:43,438 --> 00:36:46,078
I haven't been the best father,
I'll admit that.
548
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:49,727
Although, I do plan to
make it up to him, if he'll let me.
549
00:36:49,878 --> 00:36:52,278
I'm 62,
Adrian is nearly 40,
550
00:36:52,318 --> 00:36:53,479
so...
551
00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:58,535
Craig says that a man
is never too old to want his dad.
552
00:37:00,918 --> 00:37:02,918
AGJ/28.
553
00:37:02,958 --> 00:37:05,358
"AGJ/28"...
554
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:09,838
- That's rejected.
- Negative for DNA.
555
00:37:09,878 --> 00:37:11,798
AGJ/39.
556
00:37:11,838 --> 00:37:13,479
"AGJ/39"...
557
00:37:15,999 --> 00:37:18,277
- That's rejected, too.
- Negative for DNA.
558
00:37:18,278 --> 00:37:21,678
Is it just me, or is this beginning
to look a bit bloody hopeless?
559
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:23,318
DC Rowe...
560
00:37:23,358 --> 00:37:25,118
if we can't keep the faith,
561
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:28,198
we have no right representing
the victims or their families.
562
00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:29,479
Sorry, boss.
563
00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:30,957
- Momentary lapse.
- All right.
564
00:37:30,958 --> 00:37:32,838
Yeah, thanks.
565
00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:36,318
- Boss...
- Yeah?
566
00:37:36,358 --> 00:37:38,479
Cooper's been granted parole.
567
00:37:38,519 --> 00:37:40,438
That was Dyffryn Prison.
568
00:37:40,479 --> 00:37:44,191
They've no idea who they're dealing
with. He's played them.
569
00:37:52,418 --> 00:37:57,979
John Cooper is the prime suspect
in a major crime review.
570
00:37:59,579 --> 00:38:03,778
I am requesting his release
on parole be revoked.
571
00:38:06,218 --> 00:38:08,418
Well, what's the crime?
572
00:38:08,459 --> 00:38:10,858
I can't share that information.
573
00:38:10,898 --> 00:38:14,138
Well, clearly, you don't have
a case, or you'd be charging him.
574
00:38:14,139 --> 00:38:18,539
Cooper is a dangerous man.
That is a matter of public record.
575
00:38:18,579 --> 00:38:20,459
People change.
576
00:38:20,499 --> 00:38:22,138
That's a matter of rehabilitation.
577
00:38:22,139 --> 00:38:26,338
I'm sure your client can be
very agreeable when it suits him.
578
00:38:26,378 --> 00:38:29,658
Your timing is not convenient,
Superintendent Wilkins.
579
00:38:29,659 --> 00:38:33,563
Can you at least give us a date
when you expect to charge him?
580
00:38:34,499 --> 00:38:35,658
Not at present.
581
00:38:35,659 --> 00:38:39,499
But in the meantime,
John's rights can just go hang?
582
00:38:39,539 --> 00:38:41,939
The safety of the public
comes first.
583
00:38:42,818 --> 00:38:44,751
I think we all agree on that.
584
00:39:08,858 --> 00:39:11,391
Although we've got
a stay of execution,
585
00:39:11,418 --> 00:39:15,002
he's guaranteed another
parole hearing within 3-6 months.
586
00:39:15,019 --> 00:39:17,698
If, by then, Dr Gallop and her team
still haven't found
587
00:39:17,699 --> 00:39:20,898
our golden nugget,
he'll be released.
588
00:39:20,938 --> 00:39:23,098
But we're not gonna let that happen.
589
00:39:23,099 --> 00:39:25,738
It's time to send Cooper a message.
590
00:39:29,258 --> 00:39:30,699
Good evening.
591
00:39:30,738 --> 00:39:33,458
Organisers say we're on the eve
of the biggest industrial dispute
592
00:39:33,459 --> 00:39:36,179
since the national strike of 1926.
593
00:39:36,218 --> 00:39:37,658
So, what's it all about,
594
00:39:37,659 --> 00:39:40,459
and how will it affect you
and your family?
595
00:39:45,659 --> 00:39:47,258
- Cheers.
- Cheers.
596
00:39:54,659 --> 00:39:56,297
We think one man
did all four murders
597
00:39:56,298 --> 00:39:58,858
and we need your help to catch him.
598
00:39:58,898 --> 00:40:00,498
I want to make a personal televised
599
00:40:00,499 --> 00:40:02,978
appeal for information
on the evening news.
600
00:40:02,979 --> 00:40:04,777
Do you think you'll get
anything useful?
601
00:40:04,778 --> 00:40:06,898
It's a smokescreen.
602
00:40:06,938 --> 00:40:08,618
We're going to interview
the suspect.
603
00:40:08,619 --> 00:40:11,937
I want to use the appeal
to send a message to him in advance.
604
00:40:11,938 --> 00:40:14,698
Plant something in his brain,
make him good and paranoid.
605
00:40:14,699 --> 00:40:16,937
We're reinvestigating the cases
and we...
606
00:40:16,938 --> 00:40:19,946
are confident we'll catch
the culprit using DNA.
607
00:40:20,818 --> 00:40:22,217
Have you found something?
608
00:40:22,218 --> 00:40:23,778
No.
609
00:40:23,818 --> 00:40:25,458
But he doesn't know that.
610
00:40:25,459 --> 00:40:27,978
And who better than the killer
to help us refine our search?
611
00:40:27,979 --> 00:40:30,418
Handled right, liars have a way of
612
00:40:30,459 --> 00:40:32,992
telling you more
than is good for them.
613
00:40:34,099 --> 00:40:36,297
OK, I'm on board,
but just one thing,
614
00:40:36,298 --> 00:40:38,618
how can you be sure he'll be
watching when you need him to?
615
00:40:38,619 --> 00:40:40,858
He's a creature of habit.
616
00:40:40,898 --> 00:40:45,099
I have it on good authority
that he never misses Wales Tonight.
617
00:40:57,699 --> 00:40:59,099
Ta.
618
00:41:01,499 --> 00:41:03,299
About the news thing, boss.
619
00:41:04,139 --> 00:41:06,897
Are you gonna mention the kids?
Nolton Hill?
620
00:41:06,898 --> 00:41:08,378
Definitely not.
621
00:41:09,619 --> 00:41:12,058
Why upset them
when we don't even know if the CPS
622
00:41:12,059 --> 00:41:14,859
will include the offence
on the indictment?
623
00:41:20,139 --> 00:41:23,787
There is someone who we should
give a heads-up to, though.
624
00:41:54,338 --> 00:41:56,205
- Who is it?
- Andrew Cooper?
625
00:41:57,298 --> 00:41:59,498
- Who wants to know?
- The police.
626
00:42:05,938 --> 00:42:07,258
ID.
627
00:42:11,818 --> 00:42:13,539
Thank you.
628
00:42:15,858 --> 00:42:18,579
You're not an easy man
to track down.
629
00:42:18,619 --> 00:42:21,691
We were looking for
an Adrian, not Andrew Cooper.
630
00:42:22,818 --> 00:42:24,178
I get that a lot.
631
00:42:24,179 --> 00:42:25,698
Why did you change your name?
632
00:42:28,218 --> 00:42:29,858
Why are you here?
633
00:42:31,059 --> 00:42:34,058
We thought we should let you know
that we are...
634
00:42:34,059 --> 00:42:36,377
investigating the possibility
that your father
635
00:42:36,378 --> 00:42:39,698
may have been involved in other,
more serious crimes.
636
00:42:39,699 --> 00:42:41,978
We're going to make a public appeal
for information.
637
00:42:41,979 --> 00:42:45,115
I don't like people referring to him
as my father.
638
00:42:47,019 --> 00:42:48,499
OK, I'm sorry.
639
00:42:48,539 --> 00:42:50,858
What would you prefer?
640
00:42:50,898 --> 00:42:52,179
His name.
641
00:42:54,258 --> 00:42:55,698
What other crimes?
642
00:42:57,179 --> 00:42:58,539
Four murders.
643
00:42:58,579 --> 00:43:00,898
Scoveston Park and Coastal Path.
644
00:43:04,099 --> 00:43:07,491
I'm not getting dragged back
into all that shit again.
645
00:43:07,818 --> 00:43:10,085
I told Huntsman everything I know.
646
00:43:13,418 --> 00:43:14,897
He's got his father's eyes.
647
00:43:14,898 --> 00:43:16,297
Yeah, I clocked that.
648
00:43:16,298 --> 00:43:18,618
Why do you think
he only changed his first name?
649
00:43:18,619 --> 00:43:20,817
If you wanna lie low,
you change your surname.
650
00:43:20,818 --> 00:43:22,817
Maybe it wasn't about lying low.
651
00:43:22,818 --> 00:43:26,786
He changed his name in 1998,
the same year Cooper was put away.
652
00:43:26,818 --> 00:43:28,777
Maybe it was about starting again.
653
00:43:28,778 --> 00:43:30,539
A new name, a new life.
654
00:43:30,579 --> 00:43:32,937
Doesn't look like
that's working out too well for him.
655
00:43:32,938 --> 00:43:36,138
- The poor guy's a wreck.
- And then we come along.
656
00:44:17,218 --> 00:44:19,099
- Are you OK?
- Yeah.
657
00:44:19,139 --> 00:44:20,139
Mm-hm.
658
00:44:22,059 --> 00:44:24,859
It's just you and me
having a conversation.
659
00:44:26,019 --> 00:44:27,179
Yeah.
660
00:44:28,179 --> 00:44:31,187
In front of a few hundred thousand
people, live.
661
00:44:35,898 --> 00:44:38,179
You know, in my first year at uni,
662
00:44:38,218 --> 00:44:41,138
me and some of my mates
went camping near here.
663
00:44:41,139 --> 00:44:44,147
It was July 1989.
It was just after the murders.
664
00:44:45,699 --> 00:44:48,258
We saw all the police activity.
665
00:44:48,298 --> 00:44:49,818
The wanted posters.
666
00:44:51,019 --> 00:44:52,139
It was scary.
667
00:44:53,979 --> 00:44:55,579
Fascinating as well.
668
00:44:57,139 --> 00:45:00,275
It's what made me want to become
a crime reporter.
669
00:45:02,619 --> 00:45:03,898
Good to go?
670
00:45:05,019 --> 00:45:06,699
- Let's do it.
- Yeah.
671
00:45:27,059 --> 00:45:29,018
Good evening.
We are live in Pembrokeshire,
672
00:45:29,019 --> 00:45:31,217
where there have been
dramatic developments
673
00:45:31,218 --> 00:45:33,658
in two of Wales's
most baffling crimes -
674
00:45:33,659 --> 00:45:36,138
the murders of Richard
and Helen Thomas,
675
00:45:36,139 --> 00:45:37,817
and Peter and Gwenda Dixon.
676
00:45:37,818 --> 00:45:39,619
And now, decades on,
677
00:45:39,659 --> 00:45:42,337
these two double murders
are being reinvestigated.
678
00:45:42,338 --> 00:45:44,377
Detective Superintendent
Steve Wilkins
679
00:45:44,378 --> 00:45:47,659
is the man leading
this reinvestigation.
680
00:45:47,699 --> 00:45:50,857
Developments in DNA analysis have
revolutionised cold case reviews.
681
00:45:50,858 --> 00:45:53,297
As a team, we have brought
these processes to bear
682
00:45:53,298 --> 00:45:54,777
on these two investigations
683
00:45:54,778 --> 00:45:57,418
and they have had
a significant impact.
684
00:45:57,459 --> 00:46:00,817
We believe that somebody watching
this programme tonight
685
00:46:00,818 --> 00:46:03,458
may know who is responsible
for these terrible crimes.
686
00:46:03,459 --> 00:46:04,857
And I'm appealing to them,
687
00:46:04,858 --> 00:46:07,058
for the sake of the victims
and their families,
688
00:46:07,059 --> 00:46:08,618
to please come forward.
689
00:46:08,619 --> 00:46:10,817
And do you think
it's the same local man
690
00:46:10,818 --> 00:46:12,538
responsible for all four murders?
691
00:46:12,539 --> 00:46:14,178
I do believe that, Jonathan.
692
00:46:14,179 --> 00:46:17,018
Thanks to the advances
in DNA forensic science,
693
00:46:17,019 --> 00:46:18,578
we are now
in a much stronger position
694
00:46:18,579 --> 00:46:20,712
to catch the person responsible.
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