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For years UFO researchers
claimed the US
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government was running
a secret program
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to research and investigate
the phenomenon.
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Time and time again
the authorities denied
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everything telling the
media and the public
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there was no official
interest in the subject.
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Then in December 2017 came
a bombshell revelation.
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On this occasion the
conspiracy theories were true.
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There really was a secret
government UFO project
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and when the story broke,
it wasn't on a UFO
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website or a conspiracy
blog, it was on
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the front page of
the New York Times.
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My name's Nick Pope.
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I worked at the UK Ministry
of Defense for 21 years,
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and I used to run the British
government's UFO project.
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Using my inside knowledge
of government and my direct
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experience of having run a
similar program I'm going
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to tell the story of the
Pentagon's secret UFO project.
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It's a big story.
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It involves the government,
the intelligence community,
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and the military
industrial complex.
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And it's a bizarre story with
a colorful cast of characters
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that includes not just
politicians and shadowy
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intelligence community
figures but a billionaire
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businessman and even a rockstar.
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This is the inside story of
a UFO program so cleverly
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hidden that its title
didn't mention UFOs at all.
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This is the story of
AATIP, the Advanced
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Aerospace Threat
Identification Program.
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To tell the full story of AATIP
we need to go back in time.
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We need to go back over 70
years to when it all began.
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On June 24th 1947 a
pilot, Kenneth Arnold,
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saw nine strange craft
flying in formation
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over the Cascade mountains
in Washington state
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traveling at a speed of well
over 1000 miles an hour.
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The media got wind of the
story and labeled these
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mystery objects flying
saucers or flying disks.
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Further reports came in
from other locations in
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the United States and from
countries all around the world.
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What were these strange craft?
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What were they doing?
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And who was flying them?
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Then as flying saucer fever
swept across the nation,
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in early July 1947,
something crashed in
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the New Mexico desert
close to an Army air field.
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The name of this
base was Roswell.
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Wreckage from the crash was
gathered up from a local ranch
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by military intelligence
officers stationed at Roswell.
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Then in an extraordinary turn
of events, the US military
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reached out to the media
and let it be known
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that they'd recovered one
of these strange craft.
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A news release read as follows:
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The many rumors regarding the flying
disk became a reality yesterday,
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when the intelligance officer of the 509th
Bomb Group of the Eighth Air Force.
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Roswell Army Air Field, was fortunate
enough to gain possession of a disk.
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At the time, the 509th
Bomb Group was the only
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atomic bomb capable squadron
anywhere in the world.
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Roswell was arguably the
most strategically important
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military base on the
face of the planet.
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Unbelievably within 24
hours the military issued
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a follow up report
claiming that the object
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had simply been a
weather balloon.
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Could the military
intelligence personnel
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at this elite military
unit really have
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misidentified debris
from a weather balloon?
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It's stretching credulity
to breaking point
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especially as the area
concerned saw numerous
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weather balloon
launches and personnel
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at Roswell were
familiar with what these
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balloons looked like
when they came down.
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Some believe the weather
balloon explanation
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was a cover story
hastily ordered by senior
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military officers
horrified that personnel
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at Roswell had revealed they'd
recovered a flying disk.
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Some believe this was
the beginning of a UFO
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cover up that has lasted
over 70 years but which
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might now as we'll see
finally be coming to an end.
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After Kenneth Arnold's
flying saucer sighting,
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after Roswell, and with
similar sightings coming
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in from all over the
US, it was clear that
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the government needed
to take action.
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Military intelligence
specialists studied the problem,
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theories were formulated,
reports were written
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but nobody could agree
what these objects were.
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There were four main theories.
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The first was that all
sightings could be written
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off as mirages, misidentifications,
hoaxes, or delusions.
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A second theory was that
flying disks were secret
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prototype aircraft or
missiles operated by another
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part of the US government.
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With information
compartmentalized and restricted
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to those with a need to
know, was it possible
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that one part of the
government didn't know
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what another part was up to?
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The third theory was a
variation on the second
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but suggested these
missiles or aircraft
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weren't American but
belonged to the Soviet Union.
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Might the Russians
have developed long
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range missiles or aircraft?
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And could they be
probing US air defenses,
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gathering intelligence,
looking for weaknesses?
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It was a terrifying thought.
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The final theory began
as a minority report
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but gained ground steadily.
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The theory was
that these objects
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were extraterrestrial
spacecraft.
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Whatever the truth,
the US government
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and military needed
to know and fast.
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While much of the
research and investigation
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was done in secret, behind
closed doors, military
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commanders recognized that
if they wanted to amass
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evidence they needed to
ensure that people who saw
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these mystery objects could
report them to the authorities.
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The United States was about
to get the UFO project.
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The US government's UFO
research and investigation
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program operated from 1947
through to the end of 1969.
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It ran under three names,
Project Sign, Project Grudge,
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and most famously of
all Project Blue Book.
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Project Blue Book investigated
over 12,000 sightings
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of which precisely 701
remained unexplained.
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These included cases where
the witnesses were police
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officers, military
personnel, and pilots.
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And cases where
visual sightings were
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corroborated by radar evidence.
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In many cases objects
demonstrated speeds and maneuvers
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that were significantly
in excess of even
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the fastest and most
capable military aircraft.
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Project Blue Book even
invented the term UFO
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correctly judging that
unidentified flying
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object sounded more
serious and scientific
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than flying saucer
or flying disk.
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Project Blue Book's
headquarters was at Wright
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Patterson Air Force
Base, the very location
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where it was alleged
that wreckage from
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the Roswell crash had
been taken and stored.
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In 1969, the plug
was abruptly pulled.
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For some years it
had been clear that
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the United States Air
Force had been looking
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for a way out of the program.
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They commissioned the
University of Colorado
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to undertake a study.
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From 1966 to 1968, the
university ran a project
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known as the Condon
Committee so called because
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it was chaired by
physicist Edward Condon
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to review the Blue Book data.
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The Condon Committee
delivered its final
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report in November 1968.
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It was a damning
skeptical assessment of
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the UFO phenomenon and
it recommended that
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no further government
resources be used
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on investigating the mystery.
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The media, the public, and
even some of the people
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involved with Project
Blue Book were suspicious.
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It looked like a fix.
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The best cases in the Blue
Book archives had been ignored
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and undue prominence had
been given to sightings where
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conventional explanations
had been found.
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These objections were ignored.
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And on December 17th
1969, Project Blue
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Book was officially terminated.
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In terminating the
project, the United States
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Air Force gave these
carefully scripted reasons.
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1. No UFO reported investigated
and evaluated by the Air Forced,
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has ever given any indication of
threat to our national security.
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2. There has been no evidence submitted
to or discovered by the Air Force
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that sightings categorized as "unidentified"
represent technological developments
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or principles beyond the range of
present-day scientific knowledge.
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3. There has been no evidence
indicated that sightings categorized
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as "unidentified" are
extraterrestrial vehicles.
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The then secretary of the
Air Force Robert Seamans Jr.
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summarized the position
by stating that Blue Book
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could no longer be justified
either on the ground
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of national security or in
the interest of science.
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Are we really to believe
that from 1970 onwards
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the US government
ignored all reports
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of unidentified objects
in their air space?
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This would be ridiculous.
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No government and no
air force on Earth could
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fail to react if their
own pilots saw UFOs
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and if their own radar
operators tracked them,
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all of which was happening.
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Project Blue Book may
have been terminated
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but UFOs didn't go away.
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Sure enough the clues
were there suggesting that
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in parallel with
Project Blue Book,
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a secret reporting
system existed where even
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if the public were
cut out the military
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could continue to report UFOs.
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In a memo dated
October 20th 1969,
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Brigadier General
Carroll Bolender stated,
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Reports of unidentified flying objects
which could affect national security
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are made in accordance with
JANAP 146 or Air Force Manual
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55-11, and are not part
of the Blue Book system.
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The US government's UFO
project had gone dark.
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The trail had gone cold.
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It would be decades before
it emerged from the shadows
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but when it finally did,
everything would change.
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For years, after the
termination of Project
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Blue Book, anyone who
asked about UFOs was
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told there was no
official involvement.
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Whether you were a senator,
a journalist, or a member
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of the public, the answer
was always the same.
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It didn't matter if
you asked your question
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to the Department of
Defense, the CIA, NASA,
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or anyone else, the
response was identical.
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We're not interested,
we don't investigate.
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But they did.
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In 2007, Senate Majority
Leader Harry Reid quietly
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got together with two
like minded colleagues,
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both now deceased,
Senator Ted Stevens
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and Senator Daniel Inouye.
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They instigated a program
known as the Advanced
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Aerospace Threat Identification
Program or AATIP.
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To add to the confusion
about this project it's
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also been described
as the Advanced
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Aviation Threat
Identification Program
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and the Advanced Aerial
Threat Identification Program.
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Irrespective of the title,
the brief was clear,
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investigate and evaluate
all aerial objects
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and phenomena that
might pose a threat to
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the air defense of
the United States.
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In some cases, such
objects might be secret
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prototype aircraft,
missiles, or drones.
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In other cases, they were UFOs.
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Harry Reid's interest in UFOs
stems from his friendship
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with Nevada based
billionaire Robert Bigelow
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who made his fortune
in the hotel business
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but who now runs an
aerospace company that,
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among other things, constructs
space station modules
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and who's clients include NASA.
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Bigelow also owned a
sprawling 500 acre property
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in Utah known as
the Skinwalker Ranch
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where numerous UFO sightings
and other paranormal
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events were witnessed
and investigated by
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the National Institute
of Discovery Science,
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a privately funded organization
that Bigelow created
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to investigate UFOs, the
unexplained, and fringe science.
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Bigelow also channeled funds
to the Mutual UFO Network,
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the world's largest civilian
research organization.
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One of Bigelow's
initiatives with MUFON was
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to fund the creation of
a rapid response team
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that was deployed
immediately in the aftermath
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of a significant UFO
incident to interview
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witnesses and to
recover evidence.
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Aside from Robert
Bigelow, Harry Reid had
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discussed the subject
with astronaut John
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Glenn who was concerned
that UFO sightings
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weren't being properly
investigated especially
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in cases where the witnesses
were military pilots
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and where the objects
were tracked on radar.
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He felt that after Project
Blue Book was terminated,
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pilots were reluctant
to report sightings up
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the chain of command
for fear that they'd be
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disbelieved, ridiculed,
or even grounded due
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to concerns about
their state of mind.
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AATIP was run from the
Pentagon but the program
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was owned not by the
Department of Defense
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but by the super secret
Defense Intelligence Agency
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officially designated as a
DoD combat support agency.
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From their website, the DIA
mission is described thus,
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We produce, analyze and disseminate
military intelligence information
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to combat and non-combat
military missions.
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We serve as the Nations primary manager
and producer of foreign military
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intelligence and are a central
intelligence producer and manager
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for the Secretary of Defence,
the Joint Chiefs of Staff
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and the United Combatant Command.
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Now here comes an interesting
twist in the story.
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While the DIA owned
AATIP, much of the work
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was contracted out into
the private sector.
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This often happens with
specialist projects
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where there may be
insufficient in house expertise
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and leveraging the
knowledge and resources
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of defense contractors can
have considerable advantages.
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Whether intended or not
it can, for example,
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make Congressional
scrutiny more difficult
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and critically, can
take much of the work
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outside the scope of the
Freedom of Information Act.
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The UK Ministry of
Defense did the same thing
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with some highly
classified UK defense work.
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Especially projects
that could be considered
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somewhat out there and thus
politically embarrassing.
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So guess who got
the AATIP contract?
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Bigelow Aerospace.
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Officially at least, AATIP
ran from 2007 to 2012.
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During that time
around $22 million
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was spent on the project.
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It doesn't sound much when
you consider the annual
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US defense budget runs
to around $600 billion
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and that's just the
way they wanted it.
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It was small enough
to fly under the radar
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and not attract attention.
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And in the murky area of
government accounting,
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it all depends how
you do the math.
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$22 million may be the
additional cash costs
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but if you include the
costs of the resources used,
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things like military
radar systems
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and imagery analysis
capabilities,
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the costs are much higher.
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So what exactly did AATIP do?
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To answer that question
we need to know
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something about the man
who ran the program.
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Step forward Luis Elizondo.
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Luis Elizondo is a
man who's lived most
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of his life in the shadows.
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That's until October 2017
when, having resigned
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from the US government under
dramatic circumstances,
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he blew the whistle on
AATIP and revealed what much
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of the world already
suspected, namely that
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the the US government
was investigating
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UFOs after all
despite the denials.
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So who is Luis Elizondo?
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After studying
microbiology, immunology,
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and parasitology at the
University of Miami,
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Elizondo joined the US Army
wanting to serve his country.
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He quickly found that
he had an aptitude
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for intelligence work
and served in a number
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of different roles and
theaters many details
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of which are still classified.
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In view of his particular
skills and his love
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of intelligence work,
he soon left the Army
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and went to work for the
Department of Defense
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as a civilian
serving in a variety
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of posts all around the world.
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Then in 2008, his life
changed forever when he
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was asked to join AATIP
which as we've seen had
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been set up in 2007
at the instigation
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of Senate Majority
Leader Harry Reid.
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When the director of the
program moved on in 2010,
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Elizondo took over and
filled the post until 2017
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when he resigned from
government service.
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Elizondo decided that his
priority in investigating
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UFO sightings should be
to answer two questions,
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what were these things
and how did they work?
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In other words, what was
the technology behind them?
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He deliberately set aside
the more provocative
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questions, who's behind
the wheel as he puts it
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and what's their intent?
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AATIP was beset by
problems and controversies.
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There was the inevitable
struggle for funding,
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in a situation where there
was intense competition
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for limited Defense resources.
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And while they tried to
avoid terms like UFO,
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the phrase had so much
pop culture baggage that
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AATIP was always going to
struggle to be taken seriously.
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They even came up against
problems from more
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senior staff who's personal
paradigms and religious
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world views were challenged
by some of the AATIP data.
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That's one of the reasons
why in October 2017,
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Luis Elizondo decided to
resign not just from AATIP
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but from the Department
of Defense leaving after
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a distinguished 22
year government career.
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It was a resignation
of principle.
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Elizondo felt that what
he'd learned was too
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important to be hidden away.
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As he puts it, to
do his job properly,
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he had to leave.
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He had to leave so he
could be part of a process
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whereby the American
people could have a serious
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conversation about this subject.
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Not about flying saucers
and little green men
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but about the important
defense, national security,
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and air safety issues
raised by the phenomenon.
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On his departure Elizondo
wrote a letter of resignation
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to Secretary of Defense Jim
Mattis, a man he admires
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greatly and under whom
he served in combat.
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Expressing his
dissatisfaction with the lack
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of attention more senior
Pentagon officials
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were giving to the UFO problem.
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It's a problem, he says,
because these objects
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are in our air space,
outperform our jets
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in terms of speed
and maneuverability,
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and remain unknown.
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To better articulate
this point, Elizondo uses
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what he calls the muddy
boot prints analogy.
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Imagine, he says, that each
night before you go to bed,
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you set your home alarm system.
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But each morning when
you come downstairs
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there are muddy boot
prints on your floor.
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Sure, you haven't been
attacked and nothing
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is ever taken but there's
still the major question
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of who's breaking into
your house, how they're
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doing it, and what
the heck they want.
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In the government
and the military,
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if you're not sure what
you're dealing with
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it's prudent to assume
that there's a threat
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and then be relieved if
one doesn't materialize.
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That's a far better
strategy than to assume
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a scenario is benign
and then be unpleasantly
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surprised by something that
turns out to be hostile.
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That was Luis Elizondo's
mindset when he ran AATIP
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and that's a big part
of why he resigned.
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He makes another
powerful analogy.
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If an unidentified
aircraft penetrates US
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air space and it turns
out to have Russian
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markings or North
Korean tail markings,
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there'd be an outcry
and rightly so.
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People would be demanding
answers from the DoD,
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the CIA, and the Department
of Homeland Security.
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But with some of the cases
investigated by AATIP,
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not only were there no tail
markings, there was no tail.
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And as Luis Elizondo puts
it, in that situation,
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it's just crickets, there's
an embarrassing silence.
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It's all too difficult.
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No one wants to deal with it.
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So now we know
something about this
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principled man who ran AATIP.
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What of the project itself?
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What did they actually do?
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And what was it that
Luis Elizondo discovered
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that led him to go
public in an attempt
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to raise awareness
about an issue he felt
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was more important
than his career?
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The answer to these questions
takes us on a journey
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into the heart of the US
government's real life X Files.
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In one sense, the core
mission of AATIP wasn't
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that different to the
mission of Project Blue Book.
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Calling the unit a threat
identification program
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sets things out pretty clearly.
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It goes back to the
fundamental point that
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if there's something
in your air space,
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you want to know what it is.
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And there are few better
ways of getting answers
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to those questions
than analyzing videos,
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particularly when
those videos come not
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from enthusiastic
members of the public
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sending in grainy
cell phone footage
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but from Navy pilots
who are chasing UFOs
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and recording the
encounters on film
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while further corroboration
was provided by virtue
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of the fact that some
of these encounters were
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being tracked on sophisticated
military radar systems.
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That's precisely the sort
of material that AATIP
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received and analyzed and
when the New York Times
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broke the story of AATIP's
existence they took
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00:24:42,135 --> 00:24:44,759
the extraordinary decision
to run a second article
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in parallel detailing
the story behind
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one of two videos dubbed
Tick Tack and Gimble
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that AATIP looked at
and which had found
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their way into
the public domain.
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The story that exploded
into public domain
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in the pages of the
New York Times occurred
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in 2004 off the coast of
San Diego and involved
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two Navy air crew,
commander David Frevor
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and Lieutenant
Commander Jim Slate.
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Each man was flying a
Navy F-18 Superhornet and
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in the middle of a routine
training flight the pilots
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were vectored towards an
uncorrelated target that
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radar operators onboard the
USS Princeton were tracking.
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It was the latest in a series
of strange radar returns
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that the Navy cruiser had
detected over a two week period.
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And this time commanders
were determined
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to get to the bottom
of the mystery.
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Frevor headed toward
the mystery object
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and spotted it just
above the ocean.
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The sea was white as
if it was boiling.
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Suddenly the object
accelerated towards
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him before veering away.
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Unable to see it, the
aircraft were vectored
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to a rendezvous point
some 60 miles away only
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to be told by an astonished
radar operator that
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the mystery object had
appeared at the precise
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location they were
heading for while
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00:26:07,807 --> 00:26:10,845
the two Navy jets were
still 40 miles away.
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"I have no idea what
I saw", Frevor said.
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"But I want to fly one."
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"My gosh, there's a
whole fleet of them,
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look at that thing,"
another unidentified
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pilot loudly exclaims,
in a second video.
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The footage was taken
by an advanced targeting
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forward looking infrared
pod and in a humorous twist
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the makers, Raytheon,
rushed out a press release
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00:26:37,354 --> 00:26:41,289
boasting about how their
technology was used
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in US government UFO hunting.
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Shortly before his
resignation from government
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service, Luis Elizondo
played a part in getting
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three videos, Tick Tack,
Gimble, and a third video
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that wasn't made
available with the first
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two declassified by
the US government.
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This was partly to
educate the wider aviation
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community about something
that could be an air
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safety hazard and partly
an attempt to further
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the investigation by
seeing whether circulating
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00:27:12,182 --> 00:27:16,393
these videos more widely
might provide some answers.
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Might the scientific
community, for example,
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be able to shed light
on encounters that
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the US government had
been unable to explain?
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Luis Elizondo has implied
there are dozens more
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videos out there and has
expressed the hope that
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these, too, can be made
public in the near future.
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One of the most bizarre
aspects of the AATIP
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story is the allegation
that the program was
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in possession of mystery metals.
493
00:27:43,696 --> 00:27:46,526
The normally cautious New
York Times breathlessly
494
00:27:46,561 --> 00:27:49,668
reported that part of
AATIP's budget was spent
495
00:27:49,702 --> 00:27:52,774
on modifying buildings
at Bigelow Aerospace
496
00:27:52,809 --> 00:27:56,502
for the purpose of storing
metal alloys and other
497
00:27:56,536 --> 00:28:01,058
materials that it was claimed
had been recovered from UFOs.
498
00:28:02,163 --> 00:28:04,061
Could this be a
reference to the long
499
00:28:04,096 --> 00:28:06,029
forgotten Roswell debris?
500
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:13,519
This question has
yet to be answered
501
00:28:13,553 --> 00:28:16,902
but irrespective of this
let's be very clear.
502
00:28:16,936 --> 00:28:18,697
The science is simple.
503
00:28:18,731 --> 00:28:21,078
There are no mystery metals.
504
00:28:21,113 --> 00:28:23,632
In chemistry, everything
sits somewhere on
505
00:28:23,667 --> 00:28:27,084
the periodic table so
the constituent elements
506
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,362
of any material
can be determined.
507
00:28:29,397 --> 00:28:31,192
It gets better than this.
508
00:28:31,226 --> 00:28:34,298
There are tests that
can tell whether or not
509
00:28:34,333 --> 00:28:37,163
material has been in space
such as those that involve
510
00:28:37,198 --> 00:28:41,685
examining isotopic ratios
or looking at ionization.
511
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,929
This will show whether
the materials have
512
00:28:43,963 --> 00:28:46,276
been exposed to cosmic rays.
513
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:49,175
The differences arise
because Earth's atmosphere
514
00:28:49,210 --> 00:28:52,075
protects us from
these cosmic rays.
515
00:28:52,109 --> 00:28:54,940
These sorts of tests
are done on meteorites
516
00:28:54,974 --> 00:28:57,839
to differentiate them
from terrestrial rocks.
517
00:28:57,874 --> 00:29:00,393
If any materials were
exposed to cosmic rays
518
00:29:00,428 --> 00:29:03,672
it doesn't prove they can
from an extraterrestrial
519
00:29:03,707 --> 00:29:06,848
spacecraft, as they might
have come off a satellite
520
00:29:06,883 --> 00:29:10,472
or a rocket, but it's
certainly narrows things down.
521
00:29:10,507 --> 00:29:12,992
These tests are so
obvious to chemists
522
00:29:13,027 --> 00:29:15,926
and material specialists
that there's no way
523
00:29:15,961 --> 00:29:18,584
they won't already
have been done.
524
00:29:18,618 --> 00:29:23,209
Bigelow Aerospace must know
the results of these tests.
525
00:29:23,244 --> 00:29:25,211
These findings will
have been briefed back
526
00:29:25,246 --> 00:29:27,731
to AATIP project
managers at the DIA.
527
00:29:29,043 --> 00:29:30,976
If there are any anomalies here,
528
00:29:31,010 --> 00:29:33,599
the US government will
already know about them.
529
00:29:35,049 --> 00:29:37,672
Luis Elizondo chooses his
words very carefully when
530
00:29:37,706 --> 00:29:40,848
discussing the super
sensitive aspect of AATIP's
531
00:29:40,882 --> 00:29:44,368
work yet in one sense
he's been outspoken
532
00:29:44,403 --> 00:29:47,095
about this aspect
of the project.
533
00:29:47,130 --> 00:29:49,373
An aspect that might
just be the biggest
534
00:29:49,408 --> 00:29:51,651
smoking gun of all time.
535
00:29:51,686 --> 00:29:55,103
In one interview Elizondo
addressed the speculation
536
00:29:55,138 --> 00:29:57,519
about these mystery metals.
537
00:29:57,554 --> 00:29:58,797
He was insistent.
538
00:29:58,831 --> 00:30:02,386
He described them
as meta materials.
539
00:30:02,421 --> 00:30:05,942
He said that not only had
the isotopic ratio analyses
540
00:30:05,976 --> 00:30:09,842
been conducted but that
the results were in.
541
00:30:09,877 --> 00:30:13,950
Incredibly the results
showed unique isotopic ratios
542
00:30:13,984 --> 00:30:17,608
that could only have
resulted from these materials
543
00:30:17,643 --> 00:30:20,370
having originated from
beyond this Earth.
544
00:30:23,028 --> 00:30:25,375
One of the most extraordinary
parts of AATIP's
545
00:30:25,409 --> 00:30:28,343
activities relates to
the study not of videos
546
00:30:28,378 --> 00:30:31,864
or even metals but of people.
547
00:30:31,899 --> 00:30:35,454
Over the years, hundreds
of thousands of UFO
548
00:30:35,488 --> 00:30:37,870
sightings have been
logged and investigated.
549
00:30:37,905 --> 00:30:40,424
Some by government
programs, others by civilian
550
00:30:40,459 --> 00:30:43,220
research groups such as MUFON.
551
00:30:43,255 --> 00:30:45,913
While many of these
sightings involved UFOs
552
00:30:45,947 --> 00:30:49,054
seen at a distance,
others have been decidedly
553
00:30:49,088 --> 00:30:52,160
up close and personal.
554
00:30:52,195 --> 00:30:54,369
There are some cases where
it's claimed witnesses
555
00:30:54,404 --> 00:30:57,717
got so close to a UFO that
there were physical effects.
556
00:30:57,752 --> 00:31:01,066
And sometimes even injury
and illness, burn marks,
557
00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:04,483
suspected radiation sickness.
558
00:31:04,517 --> 00:31:07,624
If UFOs are powered as
many suspect by some form
559
00:31:07,658 --> 00:31:11,593
of exotic energy source,
it's certainly possible
560
00:31:11,628 --> 00:31:15,735
to speculate that getting
too close might be dangerous.
561
00:31:15,770 --> 00:31:18,186
And in case anyone thinks
this is paranoid nonsense
562
00:31:18,221 --> 00:31:22,018
spouted by conspiracy
theorists, it isn't.
563
00:31:22,052 --> 00:31:25,435
It's the official view of
the British government.
564
00:31:26,574 --> 00:31:29,715
Case in point,
Rendlesham Forest.
565
00:31:29,749 --> 00:31:32,338
This is the UK's best
known UFO incident
566
00:31:32,373 --> 00:31:35,169
and it's been called
Britain's Roswell.
567
00:31:36,342 --> 00:31:39,656
In December 1980, a
UFO landed in a forest
568
00:31:39,690 --> 00:31:43,694
that lies between US
military air bases.
569
00:31:43,729 --> 00:31:45,489
There were three nights
of sightings and on
570
00:31:45,524 --> 00:31:47,836
the third night the
witnesses included
571
00:31:47,871 --> 00:31:51,840
the deputy base commander
Lieutenant Colonel Charles Halt.
572
00:31:51,875 --> 00:31:54,602
On the second and third
night, the UFO was seen
573
00:31:54,636 --> 00:31:58,261
in the skies directly over
the forest and the bases.
574
00:31:58,295 --> 00:32:01,574
But on the first night,
a small triangular shaped
575
00:32:01,609 --> 00:32:04,439
craft actually landed
in Rendlesham Forest.
576
00:32:04,474 --> 00:32:06,752
Two airmen were
sent to investigate,
577
00:32:06,786 --> 00:32:08,927
John Burroughs
and Jim Penniston.
578
00:32:08,961 --> 00:32:12,033
They got very close,
perhaps too close.
579
00:32:12,068 --> 00:32:14,829
Penniston says he touched it.
580
00:32:14,863 --> 00:32:17,866
For years, afterwards the
men suffered health problems,
581
00:32:17,901 --> 00:32:20,904
now we think we know why.
582
00:32:23,010 --> 00:32:25,012
A few years ago, the
British government started
583
00:32:25,046 --> 00:32:28,567
declassifying and
releasing its UFO files.
584
00:32:28,601 --> 00:32:30,327
There were hundreds
of documents on
585
00:32:30,362 --> 00:32:32,743
the Rendlesham Forest incident.
586
00:32:32,778 --> 00:32:35,574
They included a Defense
Intelligence staff assessment
587
00:32:35,608 --> 00:32:39,026
of anomalous radiation
readings that had been found
588
00:32:39,060 --> 00:32:42,822
at the landing site during
the official investigation.
589
00:32:42,857 --> 00:32:44,859
The documents stated
that the levels
590
00:32:44,893 --> 00:32:47,793
of radioactivity appeared
to be significantly
591
00:32:47,827 --> 00:32:50,658
higher than the
average background.
592
00:32:50,692 --> 00:32:54,834
There was a further and much
more sinister confirmation.
593
00:32:54,869 --> 00:32:57,803
A more general
intelligence assessment of
594
00:32:57,837 --> 00:33:00,979
the UFO phenomenon
known as Project Condyle
595
00:33:01,013 --> 00:33:04,396
contained speculation
about what had happened
596
00:33:04,430 --> 00:33:06,087
to Penniston and
Burroughs as a result
597
00:33:06,122 --> 00:33:08,952
of getting too close to the UFO.
598
00:33:08,987 --> 00:33:11,920
The study's final report
had originally been
599
00:33:11,955 --> 00:33:15,994
classified secret UK
eyes only,
600
00:33:16,028 --> 00:33:18,099
and under the heading:
601
00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:24,100
Non-ionizing EM Effects on Humans
"EM Field from a Plasma"
602
00:33:24,381 --> 00:33:27,086
The report states:
603
00:33:27,804 --> 00:33:31,355
"The well-reported Rendelsham Forest
- Bentwaters events
604
00:33:31,456 --> 00:33:34,756
is an example where it might be
postulated that several observers
605
00:33:34,857 --> 00:33:42,857
were probably exposed to UAP radiation for
longer than normal UAP sighting periods."
606
00:33:44,367 --> 00:33:46,472
This report had almost
certainly come to
607
00:33:46,507 --> 00:33:49,303
the attention of AATIP
given that one strand
608
00:33:49,337 --> 00:33:51,374
of the unit's work
seems to have involved
609
00:33:51,408 --> 00:33:54,135
identifying people who'd
got sufficiently close
610
00:33:54,170 --> 00:33:56,965
to UFOs to suffer
physical effects
611
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,487
and examining them for
physiological changes.
612
00:34:01,522 --> 00:34:04,283
I'm personally aware of
various close encounter
613
00:34:04,318 --> 00:34:07,666
witnesses who have been
approached in recent years
614
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:10,462
by scientists who were
vague about exactly who
615
00:34:10,496 --> 00:34:14,086
they worked for but who
wanted to subject close
616
00:34:14,121 --> 00:34:17,400
encounter witnesses to a
sophisticated array of medical
617
00:34:17,434 --> 00:34:22,439
procedures including blood
tests and DNA analysis.
618
00:34:23,544 --> 00:34:26,995
Directly or indirectly it
seems likely that these
619
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:29,688
mystery scientists
were working for AATIP
620
00:34:29,722 --> 00:34:32,104
and that the results
of these analyses
621
00:34:32,139 --> 00:34:34,693
found their way back
to the Pentagon.
622
00:34:35,832 --> 00:34:39,732
What of the science behind
these mystery objects?
623
00:34:39,767 --> 00:34:42,321
What is AATIP's research
and investigation tell us
624
00:34:42,356 --> 00:34:46,360
about one of the most
intriguing questions about UFOs?
625
00:34:46,394 --> 00:34:48,258
How do they fly?
626
00:34:48,293 --> 00:34:51,710
Again, Luis Elizondo,
the man who ran AATIP,
627
00:34:51,744 --> 00:34:56,439
has a possible answer and
it's a tantalizing one.
628
00:34:56,991 --> 00:34:59,683
Elizondo and his colleagues
identified several
629
00:34:59,718 --> 00:35:03,135
characteristics that
consistently arise with
630
00:35:03,170 --> 00:35:05,586
the best evidenced UFO cases.
631
00:35:05,620 --> 00:35:08,416
Time and time again
one or more of
632
00:35:08,451 --> 00:35:10,694
the following factors arose.
633
00:35:13,628 --> 00:35:18,978
Hypersonic velocities,
low observability,
634
00:35:19,496 --> 00:35:23,259
sudden and extreme acceleration,
635
00:35:23,293 --> 00:35:26,641
trans medium travel,
bizarrely some of these
636
00:35:26,676 --> 00:35:29,851
objects seem to move
seamlessly into and out
637
00:35:29,886 --> 00:35:36,203
of the sea, positive lift.
This seems to be a less
638
00:35:36,237 --> 00:35:38,757
provocative way of saying
a phrase that sounds
639
00:35:38,791 --> 00:35:43,796
more like science fiction than
science fact, anti-gravity.
640
00:35:44,970 --> 00:35:47,559
Despite all of this,
Luis Elizondo believes
641
00:35:47,593 --> 00:35:52,529
we're getting tantalizingly
close to explaining things.
642
00:35:52,564 --> 00:35:55,187
He thinks a single
technology can explain these
643
00:35:55,222 --> 00:35:59,778
various different characteristics
displayed by UFOs.
644
00:35:59,812 --> 00:36:02,125
This technology, he
believes, involves what he
645
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:07,165
refers to as the metric
engineering of space time.
646
00:36:08,269 --> 00:36:09,684
It involves an exotic
propulsion system
647
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,481
that uses very high
energy to warp space time
648
00:36:13,516 --> 00:36:17,209
in a very local fashion
creating a sort of bubble.
649
00:36:17,244 --> 00:36:19,522
It sounds like something
you'd see on Star Trek
650
00:36:19,556 --> 00:36:22,628
but these are the conclusions
not just of the man
651
00:36:22,663 --> 00:36:25,631
who ran AATIP but
scientists that Elizondo
652
00:36:25,666 --> 00:36:28,462
is currently working
with on trying to unravel
653
00:36:28,496 --> 00:36:31,396
the secrets of
these mystery craft.
654
00:36:33,363 --> 00:36:34,847
That's what AATIP did.
655
00:36:35,779 --> 00:36:38,230
But how did the story get out?
656
00:36:38,265 --> 00:36:40,750
How did a government UFO
program, the existence
657
00:36:40,784 --> 00:36:43,649
of which had been carefully
hidden from the public
658
00:36:43,684 --> 00:36:47,377
end up on the front page
of the New York Times?
659
00:36:47,412 --> 00:36:51,174
At this point, in this
expose of the Pentagon's
660
00:36:51,209 --> 00:36:53,625
secret UFO program,
we meet another one
661
00:36:53,659 --> 00:36:55,592
of the colorful
characters involved
662
00:36:55,627 --> 00:36:58,354
in this extraordinary story.
663
00:36:58,388 --> 00:37:00,321
Someone who played a
major part in blowing
664
00:37:00,356 --> 00:37:03,221
the lid off the secrecy
surrounding the program.
665
00:37:03,255 --> 00:37:07,363
The person concerned is
none other than Tom DeLonge,
666
00:37:07,397 --> 00:37:12,402
the former singer and guitarist
of the rock band Blink 182.
667
00:37:13,576 --> 00:37:15,336
Tom DeLonge isn't the
first celebrity to have
668
00:37:15,371 --> 00:37:17,890
developed an interest in UFOs.
669
00:37:17,925 --> 00:37:22,101
Musicians in particular seem
obsessed with the subject.
670
00:37:22,136 --> 00:37:26,140
Some, such as John Lennon,
had their own sightings.
671
00:37:26,174 --> 00:37:29,764
Others such as Katy Perry and
Kanye West incorporate UFO
672
00:37:29,799 --> 00:37:34,252
and alien references into
their song lyrics and videos.
673
00:37:34,286 --> 00:37:36,771
But Tom DeLonge did
something very different,
674
00:37:36,806 --> 00:37:39,740
he became an activist.
675
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,296
DeLonge formed an organization
called the To the Stars
676
00:37:44,331 --> 00:37:48,024
Academy of Arts and
Science Incorporated
677
00:37:48,058 --> 00:37:51,821
usually just known as
the To the Stars Academy.
678
00:37:51,855 --> 00:37:54,582
It was to be both a lobby
group for the ending
679
00:37:54,617 --> 00:37:57,861
of UFO secrecy and an
organization that aspired
680
00:37:57,896 --> 00:38:00,830
to reverse engineer
some of the hidden UFO
681
00:38:00,864 --> 00:38:04,143
technologies DeLonge
believes are locked away
682
00:38:04,178 --> 00:38:07,043
in Air Force hangars
somewhere perhaps in locations
683
00:38:07,077 --> 00:38:11,012
such as Area 51 where
UFO researchers believe
684
00:38:11,047 --> 00:38:14,292
recovered alien
technology is kept.
685
00:38:15,431 --> 00:38:17,674
Tom DeLonge wants to
bring such technologies
686
00:38:17,709 --> 00:38:19,538
out of the shadows.
687
00:38:19,573 --> 00:38:22,576
The organization's mission
statement articulated
688
00:38:22,610 --> 00:38:26,574
on their website is as
follows:
689
00:38:26,708 --> 00:38:30,390
"To Stars Academy strives to be
a powerful vehicles for change
690
00:38:30,391 --> 00:38:36,291
by creating a consortium among
science, aerospace and entertainment
691
00:38:36,292 --> 00:38:40,792
that will work collectively to allow
gifted researchers the freedom
692
00:38:40,893 --> 00:38:46,293
to explore exotic science and technologies
with the infrastructure and resources
693
00:38:47,694 --> 00:38:52,194
to rapidly transition them to product
that can change the world."
694
00:38:52,985 --> 00:38:54,815
It's certainly aiming high.
695
00:38:54,849 --> 00:38:57,542
But for those who might have
been skeptical, there was
696
00:38:57,576 --> 00:39:02,270
an early clue that DeLonge was
emerging as a serious player.
697
00:39:02,305 --> 00:39:05,619
When Wikileaks published
emails from President Obama's
698
00:39:05,653 --> 00:39:08,656
former Chief of
Staff John Podesta,
699
00:39:08,691 --> 00:39:11,314
included among them
was correspondence
700
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:16,008
from Tom DeLonge briefing
Podesta on his initiative.
701
00:39:16,526 --> 00:39:19,702
DeLonge was pushing at
an already open door.
702
00:39:19,736 --> 00:39:23,809
Podesta is a UFO believer and
a fan of the X Files and his
703
00:39:23,844 --> 00:39:28,849
occasional UFO themed tweets
have been major news stories.
704
00:39:30,229 --> 00:39:31,610
At the time the emails
leaked, Podesta was playing
705
00:39:31,645 --> 00:39:35,614
a major role in Hillary
Clinton's presidential campaign.
706
00:39:35,649 --> 00:39:38,790
A campaign marked by the
extraordinary spectacle
707
00:39:38,824 --> 00:39:41,965
of Clinton going onto
the Jimmy Kimmel Show
708
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,486
and correcting the
bemused chat show host
709
00:39:45,521 --> 00:39:48,489
when he asked about UFOs,
telling him:
710
00:39:48,996 --> 00:39:54,898
� You know, there's a new name. It's
unexplained aerial phenomenom. UAR
711
00:39:55,999 --> 00:39:58,199
That's the latest nomenclature."
- Hillary Clinton
712
00:39:58,989 --> 00:40:01,191
In an early media interview,
Hillary Clinton had said
713
00:40:01,226 --> 00:40:04,022
that if she was elected
president she'd do her best
714
00:40:04,056 --> 00:40:07,335
to find out what was
going on at Area 51,
715
00:40:07,370 --> 00:40:10,580
the secret site that
many associate with
716
00:40:10,615 --> 00:40:14,860
covert government
research on crashed UFOs.
717
00:40:14,895 --> 00:40:17,587
Bill Clinton, too, had
expressed interest in
718
00:40:17,622 --> 00:40:19,589
the subject when
he was president.
719
00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:23,904
DeLonge told Podesta that
he was putting together
720
00:40:23,938 --> 00:40:26,389
a team with assistance
from General William
721
00:40:26,424 --> 00:40:29,357
McCasland, formerly
commander of the Air Force
722
00:40:29,392 --> 00:40:32,257
Research Laboratory at
Wright Patterson Air
723
00:40:32,291 --> 00:40:35,467
Force Base, another site
that's been linked with UFOs,
724
00:40:35,502 --> 00:40:37,952
and indeed the location
where many believe
725
00:40:37,987 --> 00:40:41,369
that whatever crashed
at Roswell was taken.
726
00:40:41,404 --> 00:40:44,442
Another of DeLonge's
advisers was Major General
727
00:40:44,476 --> 00:40:48,066
Michael Carey, special
assistant to the commander
728
00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:50,689
Air Force Space Command.
729
00:40:50,724 --> 00:40:54,279
A rockstar rubbing
shoulders with presidential
730
00:40:54,313 --> 00:40:57,075
chiefs of staff and generals?
731
00:40:57,109 --> 00:41:00,250
Again, it sounds bizarre
but today it seems
732
00:41:00,285 --> 00:41:04,358
that strange is normal
and whatever the truth
733
00:41:04,392 --> 00:41:07,257
of DeLonge's exact
relationship with people
734
00:41:07,292 --> 00:41:09,846
like Podesta,
McCasland, and Carey,
735
00:41:09,881 --> 00:41:12,470
the fact of the matter
is he did indeed put
736
00:41:12,504 --> 00:41:17,405
together a team of heavy hitters
with close government ties.
737
00:41:18,545 --> 00:41:21,202
Members of DeLonge's To
the Stars Academy team
738
00:41:21,237 --> 00:41:25,793
include a very credible
list of participants.
739
00:41:25,828 --> 00:41:30,833
Jim Semivan, a former
senior member of the CIA.
740
00:41:30,867 --> 00:41:35,803
Doctor Hal Puthoff a
scientist who's advised NASA,
741
00:41:35,838 --> 00:41:39,220
the DoD, and the
intelligence community.
742
00:41:39,255 --> 00:41:41,671
He specializes in
exotic propulsion
743
00:41:41,706 --> 00:41:43,742
systems and energy sources.
744
00:41:44,916 --> 00:41:48,057
Steve Justice a retired
program director with
745
00:41:48,091 --> 00:41:51,336
the Lockheed Martin Skunk
Works where numerous
746
00:41:51,370 --> 00:41:54,995
exotic aircraft have been
designed and developed.
747
00:41:55,029 --> 00:41:58,136
Chris Mellon, a former
Deputy Assistant Secretary
748
00:41:58,170 --> 00:42:00,863
of Defense for Intelligence
in the Clinton and Bush
749
00:42:00,897 --> 00:42:04,522
administrations who also
served as the minority
750
00:42:04,556 --> 00:42:09,285
staff director of Senate Select
Committee on Intelligence.
751
00:42:09,319 --> 00:42:13,600
This is the team that Luis
Elizondo is now a part of.
752
00:42:13,634 --> 00:42:15,843
The fact that so many of
these people have such
753
00:42:15,878 --> 00:42:18,881
close links with
government, the military,
754
00:42:18,915 --> 00:42:21,331
and the intelligence
community has led
755
00:42:21,366 --> 00:42:23,920
to speculation that
the whole venture is
756
00:42:23,955 --> 00:42:27,337
a government initiative
in all but name.
757
00:42:27,372 --> 00:42:29,892
It's certainly true
that many of these
758
00:42:29,926 --> 00:42:32,480
people were involved with AATIP.
759
00:42:32,515 --> 00:42:35,725
Luis Elizondo ran the program
while Puthoff helped write
760
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,765
the bid that landed Bigelow
Aerospace the AATIP contract.
761
00:42:42,076 --> 00:42:43,319
Working out the complicated
interrelationships
762
00:42:43,353 --> 00:42:46,046
between all these people
can certainly be tricky
763
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,704
and sometimes it's
difficult to see quite where
764
00:42:48,738 --> 00:42:52,604
the lines are drawn between
AATIP, Bigelow Aerospace,
765
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:55,227
and the To the Stars Academy.
766
00:42:55,262 --> 00:42:58,334
Especially when so many of
the players are the same.
767
00:42:58,368 --> 00:43:03,270
On October 11th 2017,
Tom DeLonge held a press
768
00:43:03,304 --> 00:43:06,963
conference where he and
most of the To the Stars
769
00:43:06,998 --> 00:43:10,415
Academy team unveiled
their initiative.
770
00:43:10,449 --> 00:43:13,280
It was an eloquent and
passionate exposition
771
00:43:13,314 --> 00:43:15,144
of their mission
statement with the clear
772
00:43:15,178 --> 00:43:17,353
implication that many
of the world changing
773
00:43:17,387 --> 00:43:19,942
technologies they hoped
to develop are going
774
00:43:19,976 --> 00:43:23,152
to be based on things
currently being kept
775
00:43:23,186 --> 00:43:25,499
under wraps by
the US government.
776
00:43:26,914 --> 00:43:28,467
If those technologies are
derived as some believe
777
00:43:28,502 --> 00:43:31,919
from crashed UFOs
then we may be talking
778
00:43:31,954 --> 00:43:35,578
about the exotic energy
sources and propulsion
779
00:43:35,613 --> 00:43:39,893
systems that we'd need for
viable interstellar travel.
780
00:43:39,927 --> 00:43:42,378
That certainly seems
to be the aspiration
781
00:43:42,412 --> 00:43:45,692
implied by the
organization's name.
782
00:43:45,726 --> 00:43:48,487
Is this the technology
that would take humanity
783
00:43:48,522 --> 00:43:52,284
not just to the moon
but to the stars?
784
00:43:52,319 --> 00:43:55,184
Do we already have that
technology somewhere in
785
00:43:55,218 --> 00:43:59,257
the deep state and is the secrecy
finally coming to an end?
786
00:44:01,431 --> 00:44:04,262
For years there have been
rumors that there's a UFO
787
00:44:04,296 --> 00:44:08,507
cover up but that some of
those involved want to end it.
788
00:44:08,542 --> 00:44:11,510
There are stories about
factions within the intelligence
789
00:44:11,545 --> 00:44:15,963
community at war with each
other over the UFO issue.
790
00:44:15,998 --> 00:44:19,277
Some want disclosure,
others don't.
791
00:44:19,311 --> 00:44:22,142
Are the AATIP revelations
the final move
792
00:44:22,176 --> 00:44:24,903
in a struggle that's gone
on for over 70 yearS?
793
00:44:24,938 --> 00:44:28,976
Are we finally
entering the end game?
794
00:44:29,011 --> 00:44:32,221
The October 2017 press
conference generated
795
00:44:32,255 --> 00:44:35,500
significant media
coverage but to create
796
00:44:35,534 --> 00:44:38,676
an even bigger impact
another heavy hitter
797
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:42,714
with close ties to
government was needed.
798
00:44:42,749 --> 00:44:44,716
The person concerned
was investigative
799
00:44:44,751 --> 00:44:47,443
journalist Leslie Kean.
800
00:44:47,477 --> 00:44:51,067
Kean isn't a member of the
To the Stars Academy team
801
00:44:51,102 --> 00:44:54,484
but knows or has met
most of the key players
802
00:44:54,519 --> 00:44:57,936
and has supported their
efforts through her journalism.
803
00:44:57,971 --> 00:45:01,146
She has written extensively
about the UFO issue
804
00:45:01,181 --> 00:45:03,735
for the mainstream media
and published a best selling
805
00:45:03,770 --> 00:45:06,876
book on the subject
which featured statements
806
00:45:06,911 --> 00:45:09,430
from various generals,
pilots, and government
807
00:45:09,465 --> 00:45:12,502
officials who'd either
seen a UFO themselves
808
00:45:12,537 --> 00:45:16,679
or been involved in
official investigations.
809
00:45:16,714 --> 00:45:19,578
John Podesta wrote the
forward and as a further
810
00:45:19,613 --> 00:45:23,134
illustration of her
insider status, her uncle
811
00:45:23,168 --> 00:45:25,653
is Thomas Kean,
the former governor
812
00:45:25,688 --> 00:45:29,312
of New Jersey who chaired
the 9/11 commission.
813
00:45:31,245 --> 00:45:34,041
Leslie Kean wrote two articles
for the Huffington Post
814
00:45:34,076 --> 00:45:38,080
about the To the Stars
Academy but then she reached
815
00:45:38,114 --> 00:45:41,117
out to a long term
contact, Ralph Blumenthal
816
00:45:41,152 --> 00:45:44,431
an investigative journalist
at the New York Times.
817
00:45:44,465 --> 00:45:47,572
The Times has hardly ever
covered the topic of UFOs
818
00:45:47,606 --> 00:45:51,783
but Kean briefed Blumenthal
on the To the Stars Academy
819
00:45:51,818 --> 00:45:56,305
and on AATIP and set up a
meeting with Luis Elizondo.
820
00:45:56,339 --> 00:45:58,479
Before the Times would
publish the story,
821
00:45:58,514 --> 00:46:02,621
they went through a meticulous
fact checking process.
822
00:46:02,656 --> 00:46:06,522
This included getting confirmation
from Senator Harry Reid
823
00:46:06,556 --> 00:46:10,595
who'd instigated the program,
interviewing Luis Elizondo
824
00:46:10,629 --> 00:46:13,322
who'd headed it up, and
acquiring documentation
825
00:46:13,356 --> 00:46:16,843
that confirmed the
existence of the program
826
00:46:16,877 --> 00:46:19,397
including some of
the contracts dealing
827
00:46:19,431 --> 00:46:22,020
with the Congressional
appropriation.
828
00:46:23,194 --> 00:46:24,954
There was also a letter
from Senator Reid
829
00:46:24,989 --> 00:46:27,750
requesting that AATIP
be given restricted
830
00:46:27,785 --> 00:46:30,995
special access program status.
831
00:46:31,029 --> 00:46:34,170
The final piece of the
puzzle was provided
832
00:46:34,205 --> 00:46:36,517
when another Times journalist
met with the Pentagon
833
00:46:36,552 --> 00:46:40,625
spokesperson who confirmed
the existence of the program.
834
00:46:41,833 --> 00:46:45,595
The presses rolled and
on December 16th 2017
835
00:46:45,630 --> 00:46:49,185
the New York Times
published the twin stories,
836
00:46:49,220 --> 00:46:52,637
one about AATIP and the
other about David Frevor
837
00:46:52,671 --> 00:46:56,399
and Jim Slate's spectacular
midair encounter
838
00:46:56,434 --> 00:46:59,575
with a UFO captured on film.
839
00:47:00,818 --> 00:47:02,854
When the New York
Times first revealed
840
00:47:02,889 --> 00:47:05,098
the existence of AATIP,
the Washington Post
841
00:47:05,132 --> 00:47:08,929
and Politico soon followed
with stories of their own.
842
00:47:08,964 --> 00:47:11,552
This was followed by news
reports and interviews
843
00:47:11,587 --> 00:47:13,692
with some of the
key players running
844
00:47:13,727 --> 00:47:16,212
on most of the
major TV networks.
845
00:47:16,247 --> 00:47:18,870
Here was the mainstream
media, which traditionally
846
00:47:18,905 --> 00:47:22,080
either ignores or
ridicules the topic,
847
00:47:22,115 --> 00:47:25,532
giving it extensive,
positive coverage.
848
00:47:26,913 --> 00:47:28,776
As often as not it was
the science correspondent
849
00:47:28,811 --> 00:47:32,573
writing the story up in
the newspaper reports.
850
00:47:32,608 --> 00:47:34,541
But what did the government say?
851
00:47:35,956 --> 00:47:38,407
In writing up their stories,
the Times and the Post
852
00:47:38,441 --> 00:47:42,204
approached the DoD and
the DIA for comments.
853
00:47:42,238 --> 00:47:45,932
Indeed it was part of the
meticulous fact checking process
854
00:47:45,966 --> 00:47:48,900
and the stories wouldn't
have been published at all
855
00:47:48,935 --> 00:47:51,523
if the government hadn't
confirmed, reluctantly,
856
00:47:51,558 --> 00:47:54,457
that, yes, they had a program.
857
00:47:55,596 --> 00:47:57,840
Once the initial stories
had been published,
858
00:47:57,875 --> 00:47:59,738
the flood gates opened.
859
00:47:59,773 --> 00:48:03,846
The world's media besieged
these agencies with questions.
860
00:48:03,881 --> 00:48:05,468
So what did they say?
861
00:48:05,503 --> 00:48:08,920
What they always say
when asked about UFOs,
862
00:48:08,955 --> 00:48:11,819
as little as they
can get away with.
863
00:48:13,235 --> 00:48:17,618
The policy is always the
same, downplay everything.
864
00:48:17,653 --> 00:48:19,931
For the record, here are
the official statements
865
00:48:19,966 --> 00:48:22,347
that the Pentagon has made.
866
00:48:23,393 --> 00:48:29,893
� The Advanced Aviation Threat Identification
Program ended in the 2012 timeframe...
867
00:48:29,994 --> 00:48:36,194
It was determined that there were other,
higher priority issues that merited
868
00:48:36,295 --> 00:48:40,195
funding and it was in the best
interest of the DOD to make a change."
869
00:48:42,022 --> 00:48:44,162
When asked if UFO sightings
were still being investigated
870
00:48:44,197 --> 00:48:47,027
despite the claim that
funding had been canceled
871
00:48:47,062 --> 00:48:50,858
the same spokesperson
had this to say:
872
00:48:50,893 --> 00:48:57,231
� The DOD takes seriously all threats
and potential threats to our people,
873
00:48:57,232 --> 00:49:00,620
our assets, and our
mission and takes action
874
00:49:00,645 --> 00:49:03,956
whenever credible
information is developed.�
875
00:49:05,632 --> 00:49:08,946
When the AATIP story
broke, UFO skeptics,
876
00:49:08,980 --> 00:49:11,879
particularly the
aggressive debunking kind,
877
00:49:11,914 --> 00:49:15,676
were at a loss as
how to respond.
878
00:49:15,711 --> 00:49:18,645
Their worst nightmare
had just come true.
879
00:49:18,679 --> 00:49:21,406
For years, they'd delighted
in portraying people
880
00:49:21,441 --> 00:49:24,064
who claimed the US
government was secretly
881
00:49:24,099 --> 00:49:28,275
investigating UFOs
as conspiracy nuts.
882
00:49:28,310 --> 00:49:31,278
But these so called
conspiracy nuts had turned
883
00:49:31,313 --> 00:49:34,626
out to be irrefutably
and demonstrably correct.
884
00:49:35,489 --> 00:49:38,216
The believers had the
Navy videos of military
885
00:49:38,251 --> 00:49:42,496
jets chasing UFOs, they had
Senator Harry Reid who confirmed
886
00:49:42,531 --> 00:49:46,776
everything and added, "I'm
not embarrassed or ashamed
887
00:49:46,811 --> 00:49:50,573
or sorry I got
this thing going."
888
00:49:50,608 --> 00:49:53,680
They had Luis Elizondo
speaking on the record.
889
00:49:53,714 --> 00:49:55,682
They had the New York
Times fact checking
890
00:49:55,716 --> 00:49:58,098
the story by having
had sight of some of
891
00:49:58,133 --> 00:50:00,618
the contractual
documentation and by speaking
892
00:50:00,652 --> 00:50:03,828
to others associated with AATIP.
893
00:50:03,862 --> 00:50:06,106
Finally, the icing
on the cake, they had
894
00:50:06,141 --> 00:50:09,868
the Pentagon confirming
the story was true.
895
00:50:09,903 --> 00:50:12,595
So what did the skeptics have?
896
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:14,356
Not a lot.
897
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:16,254
There were some half
hearted attempts
898
00:50:16,289 --> 00:50:18,325
to explain away
the videos in terms
899
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,983
of various mutually
contradictory theories
900
00:50:21,018 --> 00:50:23,468
ranging from drones
and reflections
901
00:50:23,503 --> 00:50:28,059
through to technical artifacts
of the infrared camera.
902
00:50:28,094 --> 00:50:30,958
At times the debunkers
appeared to have forgotten
903
00:50:30,993 --> 00:50:32,926
the testimony of the
pilots themselves
904
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,894
who confirmed they had visual
sightings of the object
905
00:50:35,929 --> 00:50:39,070
as well as the object
showing up on film.
906
00:50:40,485 --> 00:50:42,763
When Commander Frevor
gave an interview in which
907
00:50:42,798 --> 00:50:45,490
he said the object he
chased accelerated like
908
00:50:45,525 --> 00:50:48,666
nothing I've ever seen,
debunkers resorted
909
00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:51,910
to the unsubstantiated
claim that pilots
910
00:50:51,945 --> 00:50:55,569
don't make very
good UFO witnesses.
911
00:50:55,604 --> 00:50:58,779
And they ignored other aspects
of the story altogether.
912
00:50:58,814 --> 00:51:02,093
Such as the fact the UFO had
been tracked on military radar.
913
00:51:03,301 --> 00:51:05,372
Even astrophysicist
and TV personality
914
00:51:05,407 --> 00:51:07,961
Neil deGrasse Tyson
got in on the story
915
00:51:07,995 --> 00:51:10,998
with an interview on
CNN in which he somewhat
916
00:51:11,033 --> 00:51:13,449
disingenuously
described the footage
917
00:51:13,484 --> 00:51:17,108
as fuzzy video before
proceeding to restate
918
00:51:17,143 --> 00:51:20,007
his skeptical views about UFOs.
919
00:51:21,181 --> 00:51:23,252
There were other
targets when it came to
920
00:51:23,287 --> 00:51:25,599
the wrath of the debunkers.
921
00:51:25,634 --> 00:51:28,395
Tom DeLonge's To the Stars
Academy was described
922
00:51:28,430 --> 00:51:31,640
as a money making organization
because it invites
923
00:51:31,674 --> 00:51:35,092
people to invest and
become shareholders.
924
00:51:35,126 --> 00:51:37,749
In fact, the organization
is classified as
925
00:51:37,784 --> 00:51:41,098
a public benefit
corporation and the 63 page
926
00:51:41,132 --> 00:51:44,963
offering circular was
not only filed with
927
00:51:44,998 --> 00:51:47,138
the US Securities and
Exchange Commission,
928
00:51:47,173 --> 00:51:51,453
it was published on the To
the Stars Academy website.
929
00:51:51,487 --> 00:51:52,799
Money making?
930
00:51:52,833 --> 00:51:55,491
Perhaps, but money
raising might have
931
00:51:55,526 --> 00:51:57,700
been a less loaded term.
932
00:51:58,149 --> 00:52:01,014
The aim was to allow
anyone interested to get
933
00:52:01,048 --> 00:52:03,637
involved in the project
so they have a chance
934
00:52:03,672 --> 00:52:06,261
to play their part in
bringing technologies they
935
00:52:06,295 --> 00:52:08,263
believe are locked up
within government out
936
00:52:08,297 --> 00:52:11,749
of the shadows and
into the light of day.
937
00:52:11,783 --> 00:52:15,132
Despite the skeptical criticism,
the To the Stars Academy
938
00:52:15,166 --> 00:52:19,205
it seems has been quite
open about its operation.
939
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,139
Can the same be said
about the government?
940
00:52:23,795 --> 00:52:25,935
When the New York Times
published their story
941
00:52:25,970 --> 00:52:29,284
about AATIP, the DoD and
the DIA were bombarded
942
00:52:29,318 --> 00:52:33,495
with Freedom of
Information Act requests.
943
00:52:33,529 --> 00:52:35,980
After only two or
three weeks, well over
944
00:52:36,014 --> 00:52:37,982
a thousand had been received.
945
00:52:38,016 --> 00:52:40,778
The system ground to
a halt with FOIA staff
946
00:52:40,812 --> 00:52:43,608
sinking in a sea of paperwork.
947
00:52:44,816 --> 00:52:47,164
It's likely that most
of these requests will
948
00:52:47,198 --> 00:52:50,684
be turned down as
being too wide in scope
949
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,031
and that many of the
rest will be rejected
950
00:52:53,066 --> 00:52:55,896
either under the exemption
covering classified
951
00:52:55,931 --> 00:52:59,728
information for national
defense or foreign policy,
952
00:52:59,762 --> 00:53:03,041
or if any information is
deemed to belong in part
953
00:53:03,076 --> 00:53:06,286
to Bigelow Aerospace under
the exemption it pertains
954
00:53:06,321 --> 00:53:11,291
to trade secrets and confidential
business information.
955
00:53:11,326 --> 00:53:14,156
If journalists or UFO
researchers thought
956
00:53:14,191 --> 00:53:16,814
the Freedom of Information
Act would help them uncover
957
00:53:16,848 --> 00:53:20,197
the secrets of America's
secret UFO project,
958
00:53:20,231 --> 00:53:23,061
they were in for an
unpleasant surprise.
959
00:53:25,236 --> 00:53:27,687
On the question of
uncovering AATIP's secrets
960
00:53:27,721 --> 00:53:31,622
and finding out what more
remains to be revealed
961
00:53:31,656 --> 00:53:33,831
there's another
intriguing possibility.
962
00:53:34,970 --> 00:53:37,421
AATIP was the Pentagon's
secret UFO project,
963
00:53:37,455 --> 00:53:40,493
successfully hidden for
years from Congress,
964
00:53:40,527 --> 00:53:42,874
the media, and the public.
965
00:53:42,909 --> 00:53:44,566
They certainly had
lots of unknowns
966
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,706
and lots of great evidence.
967
00:53:46,740 --> 00:53:48,742
Testimony, technical documents,
968
00:53:48,777 --> 00:53:53,126
analyses, videos,
even materials.
969
00:53:54,231 --> 00:53:55,991
But by their own
admission, they didn't
970
00:53:56,025 --> 00:53:58,373
have all the answers.
971
00:53:58,407 --> 00:54:00,685
Maybe they had fragments
of something that
972
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:03,274
crashed but from
what we know so far,
973
00:54:03,309 --> 00:54:05,932
they didn't have
an actual craft.
974
00:54:05,966 --> 00:54:09,246
And they didn't have
aliens dead or alive.
975
00:54:10,592 --> 00:54:13,388
Yet, for years, researchers
have claimed that's
976
00:54:13,422 --> 00:54:16,218
precisely what the
government does have.
977
00:54:16,253 --> 00:54:19,014
Could it be that the
reason AATIP didn't have
978
00:54:19,048 --> 00:54:22,086
all the answers is that
there was another program
979
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:27,125
so secret, so deeply
buried, so cleverly hidden
980
00:54:28,299 --> 00:54:31,026
that even AATIP
couldn't find it?
981
00:54:31,060 --> 00:54:35,168
Luis Elizondo certainly
admits this is a possibility.
982
00:54:35,202 --> 00:54:37,412
The US intelligence
community is comprised
983
00:54:37,446 --> 00:54:41,381
of 17 separate organizations.
984
00:54:41,416 --> 00:54:43,210
As I know only too well
from my own government
985
00:54:43,245 --> 00:54:46,386
experience, there are
rivalries and jealousies
986
00:54:46,421 --> 00:54:49,044
between different
agencies as they compete
987
00:54:49,078 --> 00:54:52,289
for resources
influence and power.
988
00:54:53,704 --> 00:54:55,706
One of the most common ways
in which these tensions
989
00:54:55,740 --> 00:54:59,675
manifest themselves is
poor information sharing,
990
00:54:59,710 --> 00:55:03,817
especially in the case of
highly classified information.
991
00:55:03,852 --> 00:55:05,819
Intelligence officers
are understandably
992
00:55:05,854 --> 00:55:08,581
reluctant to talk
to one another.
993
00:55:08,615 --> 00:55:12,309
A classic example of this
was 9/11 and the 9/11
994
00:55:12,343 --> 00:55:15,553
commission's final
report stated that poor
995
00:55:15,588 --> 00:55:19,246
information sharing
between the CIA and
996
00:55:19,281 --> 00:55:22,595
the FBI was a
contributing factor.
997
00:55:22,629 --> 00:55:25,598
Even though everyone's supposed
to be on the same side,
998
00:55:25,632 --> 00:55:29,360
the reality is that
people work in silos.
999
00:55:30,810 --> 00:55:32,398
What if the rumors are true?
1000
00:55:32,432 --> 00:55:36,229
What if a secret cabal,
perhaps Majestic 12,
1001
00:55:36,263 --> 00:55:39,715
have known about,
managed, and covered up
1002
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:44,375
the alien presence since the
Roswell incident in 1947?
1003
00:55:44,410 --> 00:55:47,620
Just because the Pentagon
set up their own UFO
1004
00:55:47,654 --> 00:55:51,037
program in 2007 doesn't
mean Majestic 12
1005
00:55:51,071 --> 00:55:53,384
would reach out to
people they might regard
1006
00:55:53,419 --> 00:55:56,042
as the new kids on the block.
1007
00:55:56,076 --> 00:55:59,252
And smart though Luis Elizondo
and his colleagues were,
1008
00:55:59,286 --> 00:56:04,291
if Majestic 12 is real,
maybe AATIP didn't find them.
1009
00:56:05,223 --> 00:56:08,399
UFO secrecy is like an
onion, every time you peel
1010
00:56:08,434 --> 00:56:11,954
away a layer, there's
another one underneath.
1011
00:56:11,989 --> 00:56:15,682
Now we know about AATIP,
what else might there be?
1012
00:56:15,717 --> 00:56:17,719
And could the revelation
about AATIP have
1013
00:56:17,753 --> 00:56:19,065
been a deliberate tactic?
1014
00:56:20,446 --> 00:56:22,896
The best way to stop people
looking for something
1015
00:56:22,931 --> 00:56:25,623
is to convince them
they've found it.
1016
00:56:27,038 --> 00:56:29,386
Now we've found AATIP,
much of the UFO community
1017
00:56:29,420 --> 00:56:32,216
has stopped looking
for anything else.
1018
00:56:32,250 --> 00:56:34,460
They think they've
found the pot of gold
1019
00:56:34,494 --> 00:56:36,876
at the end of the UFO rainbow.
1020
00:56:36,910 --> 00:56:39,879
Maybe they have but
maybe they haven't.
1021
00:56:39,913 --> 00:56:43,641
It's possible that outing
AATIP was deliberate,
1022
00:56:43,676 --> 00:56:47,093
a clever tactic designed
to distract people's
1023
00:56:47,127 --> 00:56:50,579
attention from something else.
1024
00:56:50,614 --> 00:56:53,824
The UFO community often
talks about disclosure,
1025
00:56:53,858 --> 00:56:57,068
they even spell it with a big D.
1026
00:56:57,103 --> 00:57:00,037
It's the holy grail of ufology.
1027
00:57:00,071 --> 00:57:04,386
To true believers, it
unfolds something like this.
1028
00:57:04,421 --> 00:57:07,009
The White House reaches
out to the major TV news
1029
00:57:07,044 --> 00:57:09,460
networks and other
mainstream media outlets.
1030
00:57:09,495 --> 00:57:12,118
They let it be known that
the president will address
1031
00:57:12,152 --> 00:57:15,742
the nation that evening
probably during prime time.
1032
00:57:15,777 --> 00:57:18,055
A press conference is
dually scheduled and
1033
00:57:18,089 --> 00:57:21,541
the president steps forward
and begins a speech that
1034
00:57:21,576 --> 00:57:24,820
will be heard by almost everyone
on the face of the planet
1035
00:57:24,855 --> 00:57:27,823
and which will fundamentally
alter our knowledge
1036
00:57:27,858 --> 00:57:30,170
and perception of
who we are and what
1037
00:57:30,205 --> 00:57:33,484
our place is in
the wider cosmos.
1038
00:57:33,519 --> 00:57:37,143
It will be remembered for
all time as we remember
1039
00:57:37,177 --> 00:57:40,491
other speeches that
changed the world.
1040
00:57:40,526 --> 00:57:43,183
"A day that will
live in infamy",
1041
00:57:43,218 --> 00:57:45,807
"I have a dream."
1042
00:57:45,841 --> 00:57:48,465
We can't predict exactly
what will be said
1043
00:57:48,499 --> 00:57:50,743
but this will be its essence:
1044
00:57:51,916 --> 00:57:57,761
� My fellow Americans, people of
the world: we are not alone.�
1045
00:57:57,853 --> 00:57:59,855
That's disclosure.
1046
00:58:00,580 --> 00:58:04,998
It's a nice idea but it's
probably never going to happen.
1047
00:58:06,172 --> 00:58:08,657
The problem isn't the
existence of aliens
1048
00:58:08,692 --> 00:58:12,178
the problem is the
inescapable implication
1049
00:58:12,212 --> 00:58:14,491
that the government
has known about this
1050
00:58:14,525 --> 00:58:17,183
for decades but lied about it.
1051
00:58:18,529 --> 00:58:20,600
It would be a constitutional
and legal nightmare
1052
00:58:20,635 --> 00:58:23,292
and would
fundamentally undermine
1053
00:58:23,327 --> 00:58:26,261
the credibility of
political leaders.
1054
00:58:26,295 --> 00:58:29,436
How could the government
get around this?
1055
00:58:29,471 --> 00:58:33,510
How about disclosure not with
a big D but with a little d.
1056
00:58:33,544 --> 00:58:37,790
Soft disclosure as opposed to
hard disclosure if you like.
1057
00:58:37,824 --> 00:58:41,000
What would soft
disclosure look like?
1058
00:58:41,034 --> 00:58:43,968
Actually it would
probably look pretty
1059
00:58:44,003 --> 00:58:46,177
much like what's happening now.
1060
00:58:46,212 --> 00:58:48,594
A situation where a group
of distinguished government,
1061
00:58:48,628 --> 00:58:51,631
military, intelligence,
and aviation community
1062
00:58:51,666 --> 00:58:54,979
professionals step
forward, speak out,
1063
00:58:55,014 --> 00:58:57,913
and confirm that UFOs are real.
1064
00:58:58,742 --> 00:59:00,778
It's a way of getting
the message out without
1065
00:59:00,813 --> 00:59:03,505
the government having to
do it and having to face
1066
00:59:03,540 --> 00:59:06,750
the myriad legal and
constitutional consequences that
1067
00:59:06,784 --> 00:59:11,582
might result from the open
admission of a 70 year cover up.
1068
00:59:11,617 --> 00:59:14,171
It's a way of getting
everyone to accept the truth
1069
00:59:14,205 --> 00:59:17,692
without having to expose
a decades long conspiracy
1070
00:59:17,726 --> 00:59:21,592
to suppress the biggest
story of all time.
1071
00:59:21,627 --> 00:59:23,560
Of course UFOs are
real, people will say,
1072
00:59:23,594 --> 00:59:25,907
I've seen it on the
TV news and read it
1073
00:59:25,941 --> 00:59:27,943
in my morning newspaper.
1074
00:59:28,772 --> 00:59:30,428
That's soft disclosure.
1075
00:59:31,602 --> 00:59:33,984
There's a related
theory, it's called
1076
00:59:34,018 --> 00:59:36,331
the acclimatization theory.
1077
00:59:37,746 --> 00:59:39,645
According to the
acclimatization theory,
1078
00:59:39,679 --> 00:59:42,233
there's an organized
government campaign
1079
00:59:42,268 --> 00:59:46,686
to drip feed us the truth
slowly, piece by piece,
1080
00:59:46,721 --> 00:59:49,482
information will be revealed.
1081
00:59:49,516 --> 00:59:51,967
Sometimes it might involve
the release of documents
1082
00:59:52,002 --> 00:59:55,384
and on other occasions it
might relate to a whistleblower
1083
00:59:55,419 --> 00:59:59,078
or to phots and videos of UFOs.
1084
00:59:59,112 --> 01:00:02,081
Proponents of the
acclimatization theory
1085
01:00:02,115 --> 01:00:04,739
believe the aim is
to soften people up
1086
01:00:04,773 --> 01:00:07,673
to gradually over
a period of decades
1087
01:00:07,707 --> 01:00:11,746
embed concepts of UFOs
and aliens so deeply
1088
01:00:11,780 --> 01:00:14,472
into our awareness
that when the reality
1089
01:00:14,507 --> 01:00:17,959
of extraterrestrial visitation
is finally revealed,
1090
01:00:17,993 --> 01:00:20,547
there won't be
panic in the streets
1091
01:00:20,582 --> 01:00:22,826
but a quiet acceptance.
1092
01:00:22,860 --> 01:00:26,761
It won't be run for the
hills, it'll be I knew it.
1093
01:00:27,934 --> 01:00:30,385
The bottom line is that
you don't shock people
1094
01:00:30,419 --> 01:00:33,975
by telling them something
they already believe.
1095
01:00:35,355 --> 01:00:37,012
Are the revelations
concerning the Pentagon's
1096
01:00:37,047 --> 01:00:41,189
UFO program part of an
acclimatization plan?
1097
01:00:41,223 --> 01:00:43,881
And if so, is it one
of the final moves
1098
01:00:43,916 --> 01:00:46,573
before the big reveal?
1099
01:00:46,608 --> 01:00:49,646
Might we get hard
disclosure after all?
1100
01:00:51,061 --> 01:00:54,029
There was to be a final
twist in the AATIP story.
1101
01:00:54,064 --> 01:00:56,480
In a sense, it was
the ultimate irony.
1102
01:00:57,688 --> 01:00:59,897
For years, conspiracy
theorists had suspected
1103
01:00:59,932 --> 01:01:03,314
the US government
was lying about UFOs,
1104
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:07,594
covering up the truth about
an extraterrestrial reality.
1105
01:01:07,629 --> 01:01:11,771
Now with the existence of
AATIP in the public domain,
1106
01:01:11,806 --> 01:01:14,084
it was suggested there
was a different agenda.
1107
01:01:14,118 --> 01:01:16,638
Some people claim that
the government had made
1108
01:01:16,673 --> 01:01:20,159
up the evidence of
extraterrestrial visitation.
1109
01:01:20,193 --> 01:01:22,886
They suggested that the
real aim of all this
1110
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:27,925
was to bring about a
false flag alien invasion.
1111
01:01:29,306 --> 01:01:31,722
The false flag alien
invasion theory postulates
1112
01:01:31,757 --> 01:01:35,692
that the Illuminati or
whoever people might suggest
1113
01:01:35,726 --> 01:01:38,833
is responsible for the UFO
cover up are deliberately
1114
01:01:38,867 --> 01:01:42,733
creating belief in aliens.
1115
01:01:42,768 --> 01:01:45,529
In this bizarre worldview,
there are no aliens,
1116
01:01:45,563 --> 01:01:49,119
rather the powers that
be are manufacturing
1117
01:01:49,153 --> 01:01:52,916
a threat that doesn't exist.
1118
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:55,366
A combination of
Hollywood special effects
1119
01:01:55,401 --> 01:01:59,612
and government propaganda
can fake anything you like.
1120
01:01:59,646 --> 01:02:01,683
The second coming of Christ or,
1121
01:02:01,718 --> 01:02:04,272
some believe, an alien invasion.
1122
01:02:05,756 --> 01:02:08,310
It's been claimed that not
only do such plans exist
1123
01:02:08,345 --> 01:02:13,315
but that the program even has
a code name, Project BlueBeam.
1124
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,251
Faking an alien threat is
what the man who developed
1125
01:02:18,286 --> 01:02:20,909
the space rocket, Wernher
von Braun, allegedly
1126
01:02:20,944 --> 01:02:24,775
described on his deathbed
as being the last card,
1127
01:02:24,810 --> 01:02:28,572
the ultimate way in which
shadowy forces would
1128
01:02:28,606 --> 01:02:31,644
make their bid to
take over the world.
1129
01:02:32,749 --> 01:02:35,682
Because if 9/11 brought
us the PATRIOT Act
1130
01:02:35,717 --> 01:02:38,789
which many believe was a tool
to take away various rights
1131
01:02:38,824 --> 01:02:42,620
and freedoms and a fake
alien invasion could allow
1132
01:02:42,655 --> 01:02:45,762
the Illuminati or whoever
these unseen forces
1133
01:02:45,796 --> 01:02:49,904
of darkness may be to sweep
away not just freedoms
1134
01:02:49,938 --> 01:02:54,253
but the entire
concept of nationhood.
1135
01:02:55,737 --> 01:02:59,430
The world would have to unite
to fight the common alien foe.
1136
01:02:59,465 --> 01:03:02,157
President Reagan talked
about such a scenario
1137
01:03:02,192 --> 01:03:07,197
in a 1987 address to the United
Nations General Assembly.
1138
01:03:08,543 --> 01:03:10,027
And we've seen the
scenario play out in movies
1139
01:03:10,062 --> 01:03:12,478
such as Independence Day,
movies that some believe
1140
01:03:12,512 --> 01:03:16,240
are designed to embed these
concepts into our awareness
1141
01:03:16,275 --> 01:03:20,141
as part of an
indoctrination process.
1142
01:03:20,175 --> 01:03:25,180
It would literally bring
about a new world order.
1143
01:03:26,526 --> 01:03:29,219
It sounds like science
fiction but if it isn't
1144
01:03:29,253 --> 01:03:32,532
the revelations about
AATIP may be a sign
1145
01:03:32,567 --> 01:03:36,709
that the diabolical plan is
about to be put into motion.
1146
01:03:45,269 --> 01:03:48,031
When we assess the
truth about AATIP,
1147
01:03:48,065 --> 01:03:50,516
perhaps we should give the
last word not to conspiracy
1148
01:03:50,550 --> 01:03:53,588
theorists with their bizarre
ideas or to government
1149
01:03:53,622 --> 01:03:56,660
press officers with
their slick soundbites,
1150
01:03:56,694 --> 01:04:01,699
but to Luis Elizondo, the man
who actually ran the program.
1151
01:04:02,873 --> 01:04:04,323
When he resigned from
government service,
1152
01:04:04,357 --> 01:04:07,188
he wrote a letter to
Defense Secretary Jim Mattis
1153
01:04:07,222 --> 01:04:10,063
expressing his frustration.
1154
01:04:10,098 --> 01:04:12,288
He wrote:
1155
01:04:12,598 --> 01:04:17,733
� Despite overwhelming evidense at both
the classified and unclassified levels,
1156
01:04:18,534 --> 01:04:22,834
certain individuals in the...Department
remain staunchly opposed
1157
01:04:23,035 --> 01:04:27,635
to further research on what could be a
tactical threat to our pilots, sailors
1158
01:04:27,736 --> 01:04:34,636
and soldiers and perhaps even an existential
threat to our national security.�
1159
01:04:34,940 --> 01:04:37,425
An existential threat?
1160
01:04:37,459 --> 01:04:40,428
Coming from a man who ran
the Pentagon's UFO project,
1161
01:04:40,462 --> 01:04:44,846
that bombshell phrase is
probably the most disturbing
1162
01:04:44,881 --> 01:04:47,918
statement ever made
about UFOs by someone
1163
01:04:47,953 --> 01:04:50,645
with inside knowledge
of the subject.
1164
01:04:50,679 --> 01:04:54,269
It speaks not just to the
reality of the phenomenon
1165
01:04:54,304 --> 01:04:56,996
but to some deep and
terrible secret about
1166
01:04:57,031 --> 01:05:00,551
the true nature of UFOs
and the true motives
1167
01:05:00,586 --> 01:05:04,314
of these mysterious
visitors to planet Earth.
98716
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