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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:32,530 --> 00:01:35,760 Probably the same reasons as yours did, Philip. 2 00:01:35,860 --> 00:01:36,976 There's a white band on your finger 3 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:38,860 where your ring used to be. 4 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:40,876 One in three marriages in this country end in divorce. 5 00:01:40,900 --> 00:01:43,960 If that's an indication of mental illness, god help us. 6 00:01:44,060 --> 00:01:45,100 This isn't a battle, Dave. 7 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,230 You're not here to prove anything. 8 00:01:47,330 --> 00:01:48,400 I'm sorry. 9 00:01:48,500 --> 00:01:50,206 I thought that was precisely the point of this. 10 00:01:50,230 --> 00:01:52,660 I simply need you to explain to me why you want to go back 11 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,460 to a job that wrecked your marriage 12 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,160 and gave you a nervous breakdown. 13 00:01:56,260 --> 00:01:58,200 When was the last time you had promotion? 14 00:02:01,830 --> 00:02:03,860 Hasn't made you quit, has it? 15 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:05,576 You get to a point in your life and you think, 16 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:06,760 well, this is what I do best. 17 00:02:06,860 --> 00:02:07,900 - This is who I am. - No. 18 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:08,900 You're wrong about that. 19 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,430 I've separated those two out. 20 00:02:10,530 --> 00:02:12,706 If I won the lottery tomorrow, you wouldn't see me for dust. 21 00:02:12,730 --> 00:02:15,700 Well, that's probably why 22 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,200 I do what I do better than you. 23 00:02:20,630 --> 00:02:23,000 How do I know you won't succumb to the pressure again? 24 00:02:23,100 --> 00:02:26,330 I don't think you understand. 25 00:02:26,430 --> 00:02:28,730 When was the last time a friend of yours was murdered? 26 00:02:49,100 --> 00:02:50,376 Some kids came in here messing 27 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:51,800 about, looking for a thrill. 28 00:02:51,900 --> 00:02:54,430 Got more than they bargained for. 29 00:02:54,530 --> 00:02:57,700 No one around here heard or saw anything unusual last night. 30 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,100 No one's report a fire. 31 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:00,836 We looked for the prints outside but with this frost, 32 00:03:00,860 --> 00:03:02,200 the ground's rock-hard. 33 00:03:02,300 --> 00:03:06,130 It's a waste of time looking for prints. 34 00:03:06,230 --> 00:03:07,800 Body's been here at least two weeks. 35 00:03:18,060 --> 00:03:21,900 Now look, you've given your permission for me to come back. 36 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,236 If there's any doubt in your mind, 37 00:03:23,260 --> 00:03:24,676 you could always ask another junior officer 38 00:03:24,700 --> 00:03:25,760 to compile a report on me. 39 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,000 Taylor was on her way to the morgue when I spoke to her. 40 00:03:34,100 --> 00:03:35,300 She may have hung on for you. 41 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,300 They offered me extended leave. 42 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:38,760 Didn't take it. 43 00:03:38,860 --> 00:03:41,360 Long holidays bore me rigid. 44 00:03:41,460 --> 00:03:43,160 How was the assessment? 45 00:03:43,260 --> 00:03:45,460 As you'd expect. 46 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,360 Did you talk about Rivers? 47 00:03:47,460 --> 00:03:49,260 Not a lot. 48 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,100 Two deaths within three weeks of each other. 49 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:52,900 Both taken to a remote spot and torched. 50 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,800 Scene of crime, five miles apart. 51 00:03:54,900 --> 00:03:56,860 In both cases no one heard or saw anything. 52 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,360 Oh, so we're looking for a pyromaniac sadist. 53 00:03:59,460 --> 00:04:01,336 Well, at the minute, we're just looking for an ID 54 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:02,630 on this body. 55 00:04:02,730 --> 00:04:05,600 He was a big guy. 56 00:04:05,700 --> 00:04:07,330 Over six foot. 57 00:04:07,430 --> 00:04:09,730 About 12, 13 stone. 58 00:04:09,830 --> 00:04:11,300 He had a way. 59 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:12,930 I could have told you that. 60 00:04:13,030 --> 00:04:14,830 I do hope there's more. 61 00:04:14,930 --> 00:04:16,106 From the amount of decomposition, 62 00:04:16,130 --> 00:04:18,230 I'd say been there at least a fortnight. 63 00:04:18,330 --> 00:04:20,600 But what about his teeth? 64 00:04:20,700 --> 00:04:21,730 Estimate of age? 65 00:04:21,830 --> 00:04:23,430 - Difficult to say. - Come on, Max. 66 00:04:23,530 --> 00:04:24,400 There must be something. 67 00:04:24,500 --> 00:04:27,500 Between 25 and 45. 68 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,606 Without more information, it's going to be virtually 69 00:04:29,630 --> 00:04:33,060 impossible to identify him. 70 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,730 They find a replacement for Rose yet? 71 00:04:48,060 --> 00:04:50,730 Our mystery man was found here. 72 00:04:50,830 --> 00:04:53,300 Hyndman House-- a place for people 73 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,400 with psychiatric problems. 74 00:04:55,500 --> 00:04:57,900 Was founded by a wealthy philanthropist who objected 75 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,030 to the old Victorian asylums. 76 00:05:00,130 --> 00:05:00,960 Burned down 989. 77 00:05:01,060 --> 00:05:02,220 There'd have been an inquiry. 78 00:05:02,260 --> 00:05:03,260 I'll check it out. 79 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,630 So what's the connection between this body and-- 80 00:05:06,730 --> 00:05:09,060 And Jane Howard. 81 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:10,800 Well at the minute, no obvious connection, 82 00:05:10,830 --> 00:05:12,100 except in the way they died. 83 00:05:14,630 --> 00:05:16,176 Jane Howard burned to death a month ago. 84 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:20,330 Found in woodland a mile away from her home in Muswell Hill. 85 00:05:20,430 --> 00:05:24,730 Widow, retired florist, pillar of the community, 86 00:05:24,830 --> 00:05:26,230 bloody, bloody, bloody, blah blah. 87 00:05:26,330 --> 00:05:28,360 And the coroner's report was assumed suicide? 88 00:05:28,460 --> 00:05:30,500 Yet forensics didn't find as much as a match 89 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,000 at the scene of the crime. 90 00:05:32,100 --> 00:05:33,860 Excluding spontaneous combustion, 91 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:35,930 there is no way she could have done it herself. 92 00:05:36,030 --> 00:05:39,700 And compared with our friend here, interesting point-- 93 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,300 there's very little damage to the area 94 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:42,400 surrounding each of the-- 95 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:44,600 Uh, OK. 96 00:05:44,700 --> 00:05:45,736 Everyone, this is Martin Simmons. 97 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:46,760 Just joined us. 98 00:05:46,860 --> 00:05:47,760 I thought it might be a good idea 99 00:05:47,860 --> 00:05:49,130 if he sat in on this briefing. 100 00:05:49,230 --> 00:05:50,230 Martin. 101 00:05:53,900 --> 00:05:55,236 Very little damage to the area 102 00:05:55,260 --> 00:05:58,330 surrounding each of the bodies, so once these two 103 00:05:58,430 --> 00:06:03,760 were set on fire, they didn't try and run. 104 00:06:03,860 --> 00:06:05,630 They just let it happen. 105 00:06:05,730 --> 00:06:08,660 And no one heard anything. 106 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:09,760 No screaming. 107 00:06:09,860 --> 00:06:11,160 No raised voices. 108 00:06:11,260 --> 00:06:12,706 Did anything come up in the tox report? 109 00:06:12,730 --> 00:06:13,906 Oh, well, this fellow was too badly 110 00:06:13,930 --> 00:06:15,500 decomposed to test for drugs. 111 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,230 Jane Howard has since been cremated. 112 00:06:18,330 --> 00:06:19,430 Ironic, I know. 113 00:06:19,530 --> 00:06:21,400 Any evidence of accelerant? 114 00:06:25,860 --> 00:06:27,330 Well, they 115 00:06:27,430 --> 00:06:29,790 weren't going to go about that without some help, will they? 116 00:06:29,860 --> 00:06:31,336 I was wondering if the same accelerant 117 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:32,560 was used in both cases. 118 00:06:32,660 --> 00:06:33,876 We're still waiting on forensics. 119 00:06:33,900 --> 00:06:35,330 What do Missing Persons say? 120 00:06:35,430 --> 00:06:36,630 Nothing positive yet. 121 00:06:36,730 --> 00:06:38,700 Looks like Jane Howard was our first victim. 122 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,560 You'd better talk to the family. 123 00:06:40,660 --> 00:06:41,736 Do you think your mother 124 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,830 might have committed suicide? 125 00:06:43,930 --> 00:06:47,960 No, not really. 126 00:06:48,060 --> 00:06:52,000 We know this is difficult, but can you think of any reason 127 00:06:52,100 --> 00:06:55,160 why someone might have wanted to kill her? 128 00:06:55,260 --> 00:06:56,260 Absolutely none. 129 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,330 She didn't have any money. 130 00:07:03,430 --> 00:07:05,630 When was the last time you saw her? 131 00:07:05,730 --> 00:07:07,460 Not long before. 132 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,060 A week. 133 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,300 And there wasn't anything troubling her? 134 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,100 Anything you thought odd? 135 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,160 No. 136 00:07:17,260 --> 00:07:19,960 I could always tell if she was keeping anything from me. 137 00:07:22,860 --> 00:07:26,830 I've drawn up something on arsonists' motives. 138 00:07:26,930 --> 00:07:28,206 Financial reward, covering up 139 00:07:28,230 --> 00:07:31,100 another crime, political protest, mixed motives. 140 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,100 Arson committed by young adults and children-- 141 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:35,200 revenge. 142 00:07:35,300 --> 00:07:37,260 Oh, and last but not least, arson committed 143 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,400 as a means of deriving sexual satisfaction, 144 00:07:39,500 --> 00:07:42,800 which as far as I'm concerned, is a lot about bollocks. 145 00:07:42,900 --> 00:07:45,160 Anyway, who mentioned arson? 146 00:07:48,460 --> 00:07:51,600 We would have appreciated some warning, sir. 147 00:07:51,700 --> 00:07:54,030 I'm sorry? 148 00:07:54,130 --> 00:07:56,930 We didn't think you were going to replace Rivers so quickly. 149 00:07:57,030 --> 00:07:59,160 Simmons is here on a transfer for six weeks. 150 00:07:59,260 --> 00:08:02,360 He isn't working for you exclusively. 151 00:08:02,460 --> 00:08:06,930 Here's the report into the 89 on fire at Hyndman House. 152 00:08:07,030 --> 00:08:08,660 All patient and staff records 153 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,460 were destroyed in the fire. 154 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,360 That's a good start. 155 00:08:12,460 --> 00:08:15,500 A Josh Layton was injured-- 156 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,130 suffered 40% burns. 157 00:08:17,230 --> 00:08:19,860 He might give us something useful if he's still alive. 158 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,336 The woman who used to run that place-- 159 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:22,360 Phillipa Edwards. 160 00:08:22,460 --> 00:08:23,460 Dr. Philippa Edwards. 161 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:24,460 She works for the Home Office now. 162 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:25,660 Yeah? 163 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,000 What's she like? 164 00:08:27,100 --> 00:08:29,860 Clever, ambitious, highly strung. 165 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,800 Jacques Dutronc. 166 00:08:32,900 --> 00:08:37,300 1991, he was convicted of the murder of five women, 167 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:38,600 so he set them on fire. 168 00:08:38,700 --> 00:08:39,700 Where is he now? 169 00:08:42,560 --> 00:08:44,500 High Security prison, Limoges. 170 00:08:47,230 --> 00:08:51,600 But Dutronc, he used to talk his victims into allowing 171 00:08:51,700 --> 00:08:53,300 themselves to be burned. 172 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,660 I mean, fire as a weapon of death is rare. 173 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:56,660 Then we should speak to him. 174 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:57,860 When can you go? 175 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,430 Eh-- he only talks to women. 176 00:09:04,060 --> 00:09:06,060 Besides, your French is much better than mine. 177 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,100 I'll go to the Home Office. 178 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,460 Uh, the investigation said the fire at Hyndman House 179 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:11,760 was an accident. 180 00:09:11,860 --> 00:09:13,376 Do you have any reason to disagree with that? 181 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,830 If I had, I would have said at the time of the inquiry. 182 00:09:16,930 --> 00:09:19,760 Did any of the residents have a history of fire-setting? 183 00:09:19,860 --> 00:09:22,800 Fire-setting isn't uncommon amongst those 184 00:09:22,900 --> 00:09:24,730 with psychiatric disorders. 185 00:09:24,830 --> 00:09:26,130 Uh, meaning-- 186 00:09:26,230 --> 00:09:28,160 Well, if you check their notes, 187 00:09:28,260 --> 00:09:30,660 I'm sure you'd find several of them have some such history. 188 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,800 Yeah, but I can't, because it was all destroyed in the fire. 189 00:09:33,900 --> 00:09:35,360 Of course. 190 00:09:35,460 --> 00:09:38,600 Along with a couple of very valuable prints of mine. 191 00:09:38,700 --> 00:09:40,500 Oh, I'm sorry. 192 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,030 The man who was burned, Josh Layton-- do 193 00:09:43,130 --> 00:09:44,276 you know what happened to him? 194 00:09:44,300 --> 00:09:44,960 Look, I'm sorry. 195 00:09:45,060 --> 00:09:46,360 It's over 10 years ago. 196 00:09:46,460 --> 00:09:48,960 All the residents were transferred to other units. 197 00:09:49,060 --> 00:09:50,660 I myself didn't take up another post. 198 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:52,300 And why was that? 199 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,530 It was a traumatic experience for us all, Inspector. 200 00:09:54,630 --> 00:09:55,900 Right. 201 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,400 Does the name Jane Howard mean anything to you? 202 00:09:58,500 --> 00:09:59,300 No. 203 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:00,400 Was she a resident? 204 00:10:02,930 --> 00:10:05,230 Thank you, Doctor. 205 00:10:05,330 --> 00:10:06,560 You've been very helpful. 206 00:10:06,660 --> 00:10:08,000 Control. 207 00:10:08,100 --> 00:10:08,800 Creegan. 208 00:10:08,900 --> 00:10:10,300 Yes, Creegan. 209 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,260 You asked me to find you a one male, name of Josh Layton. 210 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:15,630 Where is he? 211 00:10:15,730 --> 00:10:19,860 He's in-- Middlesex Hospital-- uh, Armitage Ward. 212 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:21,130 Do you know why? 213 00:10:21,230 --> 00:10:22,500 Yes. 214 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,836 He's recovering from his tenth operation for burns received 215 00:10:24,860 --> 00:10:27,300 in the 1989 Hyndman House fire. 216 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,900 Jacque Dutronc? 217 00:10:58,500 --> 00:11:00,930 If you don't mind, I'd rather we spoke in English. 218 00:11:16,900 --> 00:11:20,100 So you want to know more about fire. 219 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:21,960 What does fire make you think of? 220 00:11:22,060 --> 00:11:22,900 Heat. 221 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,230 And? 222 00:11:25,330 --> 00:11:26,160 Danger. 223 00:11:26,260 --> 00:11:27,260 And? 224 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,760 Cleansing, purification, creativity, life, death, power. 225 00:11:40,060 --> 00:11:43,700 I know what's wrong, if you find out, don't you? 226 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,900 You worry about their pain. 227 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,360 Suzanne, life is full of pain. 228 00:11:50,460 --> 00:11:54,730 Being born is one of the most painful of human experiences, 229 00:11:54,830 --> 00:11:56,300 but who would deny us that? 230 00:11:59,930 --> 00:12:03,560 Did you restrain you victims? 231 00:12:03,660 --> 00:12:04,500 No. 232 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:05,960 Were they drugged? 233 00:12:06,060 --> 00:12:07,060 No. 234 00:12:09,460 --> 00:12:12,160 I seduced them. 235 00:12:12,260 --> 00:12:14,800 Not entirely. 236 00:12:14,900 --> 00:12:21,330 I don't get that kind of satisfaction 237 00:12:21,430 --> 00:12:22,700 from setting fire. 238 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,360 What kind of satisfaction do you get? 239 00:12:25,460 --> 00:12:30,030 Spiritual, of course. 240 00:12:30,130 --> 00:12:37,000 After fire, we feel clean again and [inaudible] 241 00:12:37,100 --> 00:12:40,300 Not if you're dead, you don't. 242 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:41,900 How do you know? 243 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,730 You're probably a very clever woman, 244 00:12:43,830 --> 00:12:47,430 but even you don't know how it feels to be dead. 245 00:12:49,230 --> 00:12:51,900 Death by fire is the purest way of dying. 246 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:57,360 That's why we say consumed by fire. 247 00:12:57,460 --> 00:13:00,830 That's why it was a special punishment for heretics, 248 00:13:00,930 --> 00:13:04,030 because ever since, we are deemed so bad that only fire 249 00:13:04,130 --> 00:13:05,430 could cleanse them completely. 250 00:13:05,530 --> 00:13:08,300 The young women you killed died agonizing deaths. 251 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,030 They'd already undergone 252 00:13:11,130 --> 00:13:13,400 the process of her education. 253 00:13:13,500 --> 00:13:17,160 Fire is a positive force in nearly every primitive society. 254 00:13:17,260 --> 00:13:19,500 That's why missionaries always fed 255 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,330 to frighten the native with a story 256 00:13:21,430 --> 00:13:23,830 of hellfire and damnation. 257 00:13:23,930 --> 00:13:26,500 There's no need to be afraid. 258 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:31,030 My girls were not afraid in the end. 259 00:13:31,130 --> 00:13:35,600 They were in ecstasy, not agony. 260 00:13:58,060 --> 00:14:01,060 He didn't talk about you much. 261 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:01,900 Oh, yeah. 262 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,060 There's a-- an unwritten rule. 263 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,330 You know, keep work and family apart. 264 00:14:06,430 --> 00:14:08,860 Thought most of you didn't have families. 265 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,800 Well, he worked for the OSC, Hannah. 266 00:14:11,900 --> 00:14:13,400 It was his choice. 267 00:14:13,500 --> 00:14:15,700 Well, I just know he didn't talk about you. 268 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:20,030 He said you were unpredictable, brilliant, unique. 269 00:14:22,900 --> 00:14:24,960 - Did he? - Well. 270 00:14:25,060 --> 00:14:26,830 He always was one to exaggerate. 271 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,560 I'm not really sure why I'm here, Hannah. 272 00:14:34,660 --> 00:14:39,600 Neither am I. 273 00:14:39,700 --> 00:14:43,330 People keep telling me it wasn't my fault. 274 00:14:43,430 --> 00:14:45,730 You know, I know they're just saying that to shut me up. 275 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:50,700 I'm sorry. 276 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,000 I shouldn't be telling you this. 277 00:14:54,100 --> 00:14:59,200 I've lost my sense of taste since it happened. 278 00:14:59,300 --> 00:15:00,330 Isn't that strange? 279 00:15:03,230 --> 00:15:07,330 You feel for them, don't you? 280 00:15:07,430 --> 00:15:11,760 You worry about their pain. 281 00:15:11,860 --> 00:15:15,230 There's no need. 282 00:15:15,330 --> 00:15:16,700 The pain was short. 283 00:15:20,530 --> 00:15:24,130 We're the ones you suffer. 284 00:15:24,230 --> 00:15:29,030 But they don't care about the living. 285 00:15:29,130 --> 00:15:31,160 It's the living who have to deal with pain. 286 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:46,860 Thanks very much. 287 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,830 Bye. 288 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:54,560 Hi. 289 00:15:55,630 --> 00:15:56,460 Sorry. Sorry. 290 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:57,560 Sorry. 291 00:16:00,060 --> 00:16:02,060 Just want to go through with you-- 292 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,130 the case. 293 00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:05,960 - Creegan, don't lurk. - I wasn't lurking. 294 00:16:06,060 --> 00:16:09,060 I hate it when you lurk. 295 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:10,760 So how was our professor of anthropology? 296 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,060 Here. 297 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:13,700 Thanks. 298 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,500 Yeah, Pathology can't identify the body. 299 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,930 Got two victims-- a benign 65-year-old woman 300 00:16:19,030 --> 00:16:20,230 and a man with no face. 301 00:16:20,330 --> 00:16:22,860 I'm going to call Tom Monroe, get him to do 302 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:23,860 a reconstruction job for us. 303 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:24,760 Yeah, good. 304 00:16:24,860 --> 00:16:25,700 Yeah, thought so. 305 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:26,930 Creegan? 306 00:16:27,030 --> 00:16:28,350 Insomnia is commonly thought to be 307 00:16:28,430 --> 00:16:29,900 feature of the disturbed mind. 308 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,400 Now since it's barely two days since you passed your medical, 309 00:16:32,460 --> 00:16:35,100 I think you should go home, go to bed, 310 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:36,880 and at least pretend to be a normal person. 311 00:16:37,130 --> 00:16:38,660 Night, night. 312 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:05,500 Dear, what you want? 313 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,800 Well, I came to get the kids. 314 00:17:08,900 --> 00:17:09,760 It's nearly half 11:00. 315 00:17:09,860 --> 00:17:11,630 They're fast asleep. 316 00:17:11,730 --> 00:17:13,760 Oh-- sorry, I'm-- 317 00:17:13,860 --> 00:17:17,030 Will well, can I just see them? 318 00:17:17,130 --> 00:17:18,830 You're probably a very clever woman, 319 00:17:18,930 --> 00:17:21,630 but even you don't know how it feels to be a creep. 320 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:24,530 Interesting. 321 00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:25,930 Not entirely. 322 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,660 I don't get that kind of satisfaction from setting fire. 323 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,200 What kind of satisfaction do you get? 324 00:17:36,300 --> 00:17:38,200 Sexual impulse-- 325 00:17:38,300 --> 00:17:41,730 with fire we feel clean again. 326 00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:45,930 You see? 327 00:17:46,030 --> 00:17:48,630 I told you they were fine. 328 00:17:48,730 --> 00:17:49,560 Look at them, mum. 329 00:17:49,660 --> 00:17:52,160 I don't care about anything else. 330 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,500 Everyone else can go to hell. 331 00:17:59,530 --> 00:18:01,430 What's wrong? 332 00:18:01,530 --> 00:18:03,630 Andy will giving you grief? 333 00:18:08,500 --> 00:18:13,400 Debbie, I can't go on babysitting. 334 00:18:13,500 --> 00:18:14,960 It's the third time this week. 335 00:18:15,060 --> 00:18:16,160 I need a rest, myself. 336 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,860 Right, well, see you tomorrow, then. 337 00:20:06,030 --> 00:20:07,930 Creegan. 338 00:20:08,030 --> 00:20:09,930 No! 339 00:20:45,630 --> 00:20:47,430 I'll pack it up for you, shall I? 340 00:20:47,530 --> 00:20:48,570 Well, if it's any bother-- 341 00:20:48,660 --> 00:20:49,730 It's no bother. 342 00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:51,276 How long is it going to take? 343 00:20:51,300 --> 00:20:52,160 Well, I've got to clean up the skull first, 344 00:20:52,260 --> 00:20:53,130 you know, repair the damage. 345 00:20:53,230 --> 00:20:54,560 And then, well, it depends. 346 00:20:54,660 --> 00:20:55,460 On what? 347 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,000 On how inspired I'm feeling. 348 00:20:58,100 --> 00:20:59,960 Any news on the accelerant used? 349 00:21:00,060 --> 00:21:02,200 Petrol. 350 00:21:02,300 --> 00:21:04,060 Talking of which, I found something unusual-- 351 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:05,406 traces of it in this guy's lung. 352 00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:07,100 He inhaled it? 353 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,700 So we're calling it suicide. 354 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,706 Once a person has covered themselves with petrol, 355 00:21:11,730 --> 00:21:14,160 there's usually a pause before they go through with it. 356 00:21:14,260 --> 00:21:16,300 Sometimes the interval is long enough for the fumes 357 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:17,730 to be absorbed into the lungs. 358 00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:19,160 But this isn't suicide. 359 00:21:19,260 --> 00:21:20,600 No, it's absolutely not. 360 00:21:20,700 --> 00:21:22,206 Fast out somewhere at the back of the body. 361 00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:23,830 How big an interval? 362 00:21:23,930 --> 00:21:25,200 10, 15 minutes. 363 00:21:25,300 --> 00:21:27,160 Oh, he knows his stuff, does our Max. 364 00:21:27,260 --> 00:21:29,830 If there's something to do, and it's hard to begin it, 365 00:21:29,930 --> 00:21:31,000 set right about it. 366 00:21:31,100 --> 00:21:32,760 Don't waste a minute. 367 00:21:32,860 --> 00:21:38,400 Been in Brighton The wonders of a classical education. 368 00:21:38,500 --> 00:21:40,360 What was all that, back there? 369 00:21:40,460 --> 00:21:44,330 Tom's wife left him about six months ago. 370 00:21:45,230 --> 00:21:47,630 She's now living with Max. 371 00:21:49,900 --> 00:21:52,700 Can you imagine sleeping with a pathologist? 372 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:53,430 No. 373 00:21:53,530 --> 00:21:55,130 Control to Creegan. 374 00:21:55,230 --> 00:21:56,030 Creegan. 375 00:21:56,130 --> 00:21:57,300 Creegan. 376 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,560 We've got a report of another burned body. 377 00:21:59,660 --> 00:22:00,660 Where? 378 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:21,930 The same as before. 379 00:22:22,030 --> 00:22:23,436 I know this place from the map. 380 00:22:23,460 --> 00:22:25,460 We made three attempts at clearing out the dealers. 381 00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:33,260 Name's Debbie Lewis. 382 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:35,100 She lived on the estate. 383 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,630 Had two kids. 384 00:22:39,460 --> 00:22:42,260 Look at these cuts, here. 385 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:44,830 Maybe she put up a fight? 386 00:22:44,930 --> 00:22:45,730 I dunno. 387 00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:47,800 Could be self-mutilation. 388 00:23:02,300 --> 00:23:03,330 DI Creegan. 389 00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:04,430 Taylor-- 390 00:23:34,460 --> 00:23:35,460 Lynn. 391 00:23:39,230 --> 00:23:41,800 So when's it due? 392 00:23:41,900 --> 00:23:43,500 April. 393 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,360 April 13th. 394 00:23:46,460 --> 00:23:47,930 Should we come back later? 395 00:23:48,030 --> 00:23:48,860 No. 396 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,060 No, I'm fine now. 397 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,200 Right. 398 00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:54,460 Did Debbie say where she was going? 399 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,460 After she dropped the kids off last night? 400 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:57,860 No. 401 00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,630 The club. 402 00:23:59,730 --> 00:24:01,000 I don't remember the name. 403 00:24:01,100 --> 00:24:03,460 I'm not into clubbing. 404 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,200 Yeah, I can't see you raving with that, like. 405 00:24:07,300 --> 00:24:09,300 She came back to collect them at what time? 406 00:24:09,330 --> 00:24:10,160 It was late. 407 00:24:10,260 --> 00:24:13,060 About half 11. 408 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,160 She did things like that, she wasn't with it. 409 00:24:16,260 --> 00:24:18,860 You know she's an addict. 410 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,400 I felt sorry for the kids. 411 00:24:20,500 --> 00:24:22,860 I thought if she leaves them with me, at least they're safe. 412 00:24:24,900 --> 00:24:26,560 I told her they were asleep. 413 00:24:26,660 --> 00:24:29,460 I'd drop around to her place in the morning. 414 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,930 So at what time did she leave? 415 00:24:32,030 --> 00:24:32,860 I don't know. 416 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,160 She wasn't here long. 417 00:24:35,260 --> 00:24:37,300 Midnight? 418 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,060 I watched her until she got to the flat. 419 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:40,330 She was upset. 420 00:24:40,430 --> 00:24:42,100 You actually saw her go back to the flat? 421 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,630 I can see her front door from here. 422 00:24:46,460 --> 00:24:50,700 I saw her go out again later, when I was on my way to bed. 423 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:51,800 Was she alone? 424 00:24:55,730 --> 00:24:57,960 There was someone else? 425 00:24:58,060 --> 00:25:01,930 This is completely confidential, Lynn. 426 00:25:02,030 --> 00:25:03,900 Hey. 427 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,460 Trust us. 428 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,860 Sit down. 429 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:09,860 DI Creegan and Taylor. 430 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:10,760 Never heard of you. 431 00:25:10,860 --> 00:25:12,830 Are you funny? 432 00:25:12,930 --> 00:25:13,730 This woman. 433 00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:14,830 Her name is Jane Howard. 434 00:25:14,900 --> 00:25:16,500 Ring any bells, Andy? 435 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:17,630 None whatsoever. 436 00:25:17,730 --> 00:25:19,490 Well, maybe you'd like to take a closer look. 437 00:25:25,230 --> 00:25:26,760 Still never heard of her. 438 00:25:26,860 --> 00:25:28,536 How long will you and Debbie Lewis together? 439 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,460 - Six years. - So what happened then? 440 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,730 Did you wake up one day and think, this relationship 441 00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:35,260 has broken down? 442 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:36,760 Or did you chalky out? 443 00:25:36,860 --> 00:25:38,130 I left. 444 00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:39,776 Do you know what it's like living with a junkie? 445 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:40,960 I love addicts. 446 00:25:41,060 --> 00:25:42,476 - Make surprisingly good mothers. - Yeah. 447 00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:44,176 And some of them stick their finger in methadone 448 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,900 and let the baby suck on it. 449 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,730 Did Debbie ever cut herself? 450 00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:48,730 What? 451 00:25:48,830 --> 00:25:50,130 You know, self-abuse. 452 00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:51,830 Nah, she wasn't like that. 453 00:25:51,930 --> 00:25:53,200 She just gave in all the time. 454 00:25:53,300 --> 00:25:54,300 She couldn't be bothered. 455 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,736 I left because I got fed up waiting 456 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:56,880 for her to clean up her act. 457 00:26:00,530 --> 00:26:01,900 We found this in your flat, Andy. 458 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,800 So what? 459 00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:04,960 I've got a car. 460 00:26:05,060 --> 00:26:07,200 I don't like running out of petrol. 461 00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:08,300 It's prudent. 462 00:26:08,330 --> 00:26:09,230 Why not keep it in your car? 463 00:26:09,330 --> 00:26:10,330 Like most people. 464 00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:11,500 I did not kill Debbie. 465 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,130 I hadn't even seen her for two days. 466 00:26:13,230 --> 00:26:14,660 Well, we've got a witness who says 467 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,806 they saw you leave the flat, with Debbie, in the early hours 468 00:26:16,830 --> 00:26:17,660 of this morning. 469 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,500 The They can't have. 470 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,760 Who told you that? 471 00:26:21,860 --> 00:26:26,530 This is DI Taylor closing this interview at 12:45 AM. 472 00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:29,230 The typical arsonist is likely to have 473 00:26:29,330 --> 00:26:30,600 problems forming relationships. 474 00:26:30,700 --> 00:26:34,300 He probably lives alone is separated or divorced. 475 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,830 He may have previous for petty theft, criminal damage, 476 00:26:37,930 --> 00:26:39,460 possibly fire setting. 477 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,800 Likely to have had a relationship with the deceased. 478 00:26:41,900 --> 00:26:42,700 It's not him. 479 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:43,800 It's not Carson. 480 00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:46,630 We're talking about fire as a weapon of death. 481 00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:47,730 Not playing with matches. 482 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:48,860 He's got a motive. 483 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:49,860 For Debbie. 484 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,330 Not for the others. 485 00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:53,236 We don't even know who that body in the Hienman house 486 00:26:53,260 --> 00:26:54,600 belongs to. 487 00:26:54,700 --> 00:26:56,036 How can we assume there's no connection with Carson? 488 00:26:56,060 --> 00:26:57,330 Look. 489 00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:59,176 This isn't some embittered ex getting his own back. 490 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,236 Our killer's on a mission. 491 00:27:00,260 --> 00:27:01,660 He's driven. 492 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,200 He's already killed three times, targeting specific people, 493 00:27:04,300 --> 00:27:06,500 and disposing of them in a very specific way. 494 00:27:09,930 --> 00:27:11,130 What did Detrunc say? 495 00:27:11,230 --> 00:27:12,660 It's like purification. 496 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,430 Making the bad, good. 497 00:27:14,530 --> 00:27:15,800 Debbie was a drug addict. 498 00:27:15,900 --> 00:27:17,776 Maybe the killer thinks he's burning away her sin? 499 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:18,800 Jane Howard. 500 00:27:18,900 --> 00:27:20,800 Did she have a drug problem, too? 501 00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:22,400 He's got a point. 502 00:27:22,500 --> 00:27:25,760 How many retired florist heroin addicts do you know? 503 00:27:25,860 --> 00:27:26,860 So. 504 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,240 What you going to do with Carson? 505 00:27:30,830 --> 00:27:32,200 We let him go. 506 00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:33,700 We put a follow on him. 507 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:38,560 Apart from the obvious, heroin, I found rohypnol. 508 00:27:38,660 --> 00:27:39,700 Large dose. 509 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:44,300 Given about half an hour before time of death. 510 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,560 That's why there's no sound. 511 00:27:45,660 --> 00:27:46,460 No screaming. 512 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:47,860 No struggling. 513 00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:55,306 First I thought they were scratches, 514 00:27:55,330 --> 00:27:56,806 that she'd try to fight off her killer, 515 00:27:56,830 --> 00:28:00,000 but the marks are too deliberate it be part of a struggle. 516 00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:01,100 They're letters. 517 00:28:01,930 --> 00:28:04,760 That's a Y. An M and an F? 518 00:28:04,860 --> 00:28:07,860 Or an E. Y M E. 519 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:08,860 Why me? 520 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,130 They're fresh. 521 00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:12,160 An hour before death at most. 522 00:28:12,260 --> 00:28:14,360 It's possible she them herself, but unlikely. 523 00:28:14,460 --> 00:28:17,100 No, Carson said she never cut herself. 524 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,430 That the killer did this. 525 00:28:19,530 --> 00:28:20,700 Y ME. 526 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,576 We won't know if it's something he did to the others. 527 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,206 Jane Howard was cremated, and the second body 528 00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:25,330 was too badly burned. 529 00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:26,636 Is he telling us why he chose Debbie? 530 00:28:26,660 --> 00:28:27,760 Be she deserved to die? 531 00:28:38,130 --> 00:28:39,960 What kind of system do you call this? 532 00:28:40,060 --> 00:28:41,060 Well, I'm-- 533 00:28:41,130 --> 00:28:42,030 Creegan. 534 00:28:42,130 --> 00:28:44,630 Facts from South Gate, CID. 535 00:28:44,730 --> 00:28:45,560 What is it? 536 00:28:45,660 --> 00:28:46,500 Suspected arson. 537 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,330 Four people in intensive care. 538 00:28:48,430 --> 00:28:49,730 Well, the house was set on fire. 539 00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:50,960 Yeah, I believe so. 540 00:28:51,060 --> 00:28:52,236 It's nothing to do with this case, sir. 541 00:28:52,260 --> 00:28:53,160 Extreme arson the Hineman house fire. 542 00:28:53,260 --> 00:28:54,160 They want you to check it out. 543 00:28:54,260 --> 00:28:55,436 One of the victims is conscious. 544 00:28:55,460 --> 00:28:57,960 Please. 545 00:28:58,060 --> 00:28:59,206 What, you are on your way out? 546 00:28:59,230 --> 00:29:00,360 Josh Laton? 547 00:29:00,460 --> 00:29:02,020 He's recovering from his 10th operation? 548 00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:08,036 What are you giving it me for? 549 00:29:08,060 --> 00:29:09,700 Because it's a waste of time. 550 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:10,800 Just file it away. 551 00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:15,800 The investigation at the time of the fire 552 00:29:15,900 --> 00:29:18,230 said it was a cigarette. 553 00:29:18,330 --> 00:29:20,730 His name was Matt. 554 00:29:20,830 --> 00:29:23,300 Matt van deTwist. 555 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,360 Not a name you forget easily. 556 00:29:25,460 --> 00:29:27,160 You actually saw him do it? 557 00:29:27,260 --> 00:29:29,300 As good as. 558 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:30,660 It wasn't his first go. 559 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,030 He tried it before. 560 00:29:32,130 --> 00:29:33,800 Why wasn't this mentioned at the inquiry? 561 00:29:33,900 --> 00:29:36,230 I was too sick to talk. 562 00:29:36,330 --> 00:29:40,060 Everyone else knew they would be taken seriously. 563 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,300 Unreliable witnesses. 564 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,330 If this guy Matt might set fire to Hineman house, 565 00:29:44,430 --> 00:29:46,460 are you saying he did it to harm you? 566 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,960 He hated me. 567 00:29:49,060 --> 00:29:50,200 They all hated me. 568 00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:52,600 This is very important, Josh. 569 00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:56,130 Did he start the fire with the intention of injuring you? 570 00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:58,060 He knew I was in the next room. 571 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,230 He knew I'd have no way of getting out. 572 00:30:00,330 --> 00:30:04,000 He wanted to kill me. 573 00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:05,960 Matt van deTwist. 574 00:30:06,060 --> 00:30:07,860 Born 1963 in Dorset. 575 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,440 Dutch father who died when he was six. 576 00:30:09,530 --> 00:30:11,800 Referred to a child Guidance Clinic at 8. 577 00:30:11,900 --> 00:30:15,330 Next time it turns up, this is in a psychiatric unit. 578 00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:17,930 What happened straight after the Hineman house fire? 579 00:30:18,030 --> 00:30:19,060 1990. 580 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,600 He was recommitted. 581 00:30:20,700 --> 00:30:21,530 Discharge 93. 582 00:30:21,630 --> 00:30:22,700 Then nothing. 583 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:23,860 - Family? - No. 584 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,130 Single. No kids. 585 00:30:25,230 --> 00:30:26,706 Mother says he turns up about once a year. 586 00:30:26,730 --> 00:30:28,500 Thinks he might be living on the streets. 587 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:33,300 He might be a victim, not a suspect. 588 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,160 And the body in Hineman house might be him. 589 00:30:36,260 --> 00:30:37,930 Well, the killer chose fire for a reason. 590 00:30:38,030 --> 00:30:39,476 If he sees these people as sinful then 591 00:30:39,500 --> 00:30:42,000 he has to cleanse them of their sins. 592 00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:44,760 And he wants us to know why they need cleansing. 593 00:30:44,860 --> 00:30:45,940 Why me, marked on the body. 594 00:30:46,030 --> 00:30:47,500 If deTwist set this fire, he caused 595 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,640 Josh's injuries, that gives the killer enough reason 596 00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:51,960 to punish deTwist. 597 00:30:52,060 --> 00:30:53,460 Fight fire with fire. 598 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,100 Should I issue a description? 599 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,300 What is it? 600 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,776 Got another call from southgate CID, 601 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,100 asking whether you interviewed the guy in hospital. 602 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,660 His wife and three children died. 603 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,400 I know, I know what you're going to say. 604 00:31:04,500 --> 00:31:05,200 Just do it. 605 00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:07,760 Get them off my back. 606 00:31:07,860 --> 00:31:09,500 Take Simmons with you. 607 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,330 He could do with some fresh air. 608 00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:13,270 I don't remember anything else, until I woke up 609 00:31:13,330 --> 00:31:16,930 and the room was full of smoke. 610 00:31:17,030 --> 00:31:20,260 I tried to wake Sam, but I couldn't. 611 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,360 I picked up the baby. 612 00:31:22,460 --> 00:31:24,530 Then I went into the kids bedroom. 613 00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:27,130 I carried Laura. 614 00:31:27,230 --> 00:31:28,506 And then I tried to carry Justin, too. 615 00:31:28,530 --> 00:31:30,260 But I couldn't carry all three. 616 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,360 I kept falling over. 617 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,600 Do you have an idea of who might have done it? 618 00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:48,960 Had you had to fight with someone? 619 00:31:49,060 --> 00:31:50,820 Was anyone trying to hurt you or your family? 620 00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:57,200 If you remember anything unusual, anything at all. 621 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,030 Are you sure you didn't see someone? 622 00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:05,130 Before the fire started? 623 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:09,400 There was someone. 624 00:32:12,030 --> 00:32:13,030 A man. 625 00:32:16,430 --> 00:32:17,700 Go on. 626 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:18,830 Running. 627 00:32:18,930 --> 00:32:20,800 I was going to bed, he was running. 628 00:32:20,900 --> 00:32:23,330 How old would you say? 20? 629 00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:24,730 30? 630 00:32:24,830 --> 00:32:26,830 30, 35. 631 00:32:26,930 --> 00:32:27,930 Unshaven. 632 00:32:30,530 --> 00:32:31,530 Scruffy. 633 00:32:34,330 --> 00:32:36,860 Light hair, I think. 634 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,130 It was dark. 635 00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:39,870 I didn't really get much of a look at him. 636 00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:46,660 Fits your description of deTwist. 637 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:47,600 It's got to be significant. 638 00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:49,530 You asked him a leading question. 639 00:32:49,630 --> 00:32:51,736 We'll never know if he would have volunteered that suspect 640 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,030 up without your prompt. 641 00:32:54,130 --> 00:32:55,600 Are you married? 642 00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:56,760 Yeah. 643 00:32:56,860 --> 00:32:58,460 Kids? 644 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,330 Two. 645 00:33:00,430 --> 00:33:01,800 So are you going to follow it up? 646 00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:03,730 Oh, we gotta follow it up now. 647 00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:05,636 Hi, you've reached Hannah and Mark, 648 00:33:05,660 --> 00:33:06,936 I'm afraid we're not here right now, 649 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,100 but please leave a message. 650 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,860 Hannah, it's Dave Creegan. 651 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,330 I'd much rather have a conversation, not a monologue. 652 00:33:16,430 --> 00:33:20,230 If you want to talk, I'm here. 653 00:33:20,330 --> 00:33:23,260 And if I'm not here, I'm on the mobile. 654 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,360 Bye. 655 00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:37,860 We've got him. 656 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,030 Carson's left his flat. 657 00:33:40,130 --> 00:33:42,200 He's heading towards his car. 658 00:33:47,860 --> 00:33:48,860 Creegan? 659 00:33:50,300 --> 00:33:53,730 Can you meet me over at Lynn's Southy's flat? 660 00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:55,730 Why? 661 00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:56,660 Come on! 662 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,630 You told them something! 663 00:33:58,730 --> 00:33:59,730 What did you say? 664 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:00,800 What? 665 00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:02,830 Why'd you have to tell them that? 666 00:34:02,930 --> 00:34:06,030 Please don't hurt me, please don't hurt my baby! 667 00:34:06,130 --> 00:34:07,130 Hello! 668 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,700 The bitch set me up! 669 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,130 I'm losing my kids 'cause of you bastards! 670 00:34:15,230 --> 00:34:17,600 Still think everyone's against you, Andy? 671 00:34:17,700 --> 00:34:19,360 Beating up a pregnant woman is not 672 00:34:19,460 --> 00:34:22,300 the correct response to stress. 673 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,330 She's a liar, she's a liar! 674 00:34:24,430 --> 00:34:25,860 She doesn't seem too bad. 675 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,706 Just shaken, I got a doctor to come out look at the baby. 676 00:34:27,730 --> 00:34:29,300 What the hell were you lot playing at? 677 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:30,960 She's a witness! Hey? 678 00:34:31,060 --> 00:34:32,200 Creegan. 679 00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:33,306 Listen, if they weren't properly briefed, 680 00:34:33,330 --> 00:34:34,500 that's our fault, not theirs. 681 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,106 Oh, well, that's going to go on the report. 682 00:34:36,130 --> 00:34:37,606 What report, what are you talking about? 683 00:34:37,630 --> 00:34:39,230 The one that Enright asked us to compile. 684 00:34:42,330 --> 00:34:44,030 Enright sent you back, Dave. 685 00:34:44,130 --> 00:34:45,610 Show him he's made the right decision. 686 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,960 It's all right, he's gone. 687 00:34:55,060 --> 00:34:57,130 There's no need to be frightened, OK? 688 00:34:57,230 --> 00:34:59,560 I thought he was going to kill me. 689 00:34:59,660 --> 00:35:02,560 I thought it was going to do me what he did to Debbie. 690 00:35:02,660 --> 00:35:06,800 Well, we're not sure he did kill Debbie. 691 00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:09,400 I'm sorry, Lynn, I-- 692 00:35:09,500 --> 00:35:12,860 You're not responsible for people like Andy. 693 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,230 'Course I am. 694 00:35:15,330 --> 00:35:16,330 That's the whole point. 695 00:35:19,830 --> 00:35:20,830 Look. 696 00:35:20,930 --> 00:35:22,960 We can charge him with assault. 697 00:35:23,060 --> 00:35:25,900 I don't have time. 698 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,900 It's been hard dealing with Debbie. 699 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,900 Is Debbie your first death? 700 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,860 No. 701 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,000 I lost my mother when I was small. 702 00:35:35,100 --> 00:35:36,200 When my wife-- 703 00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:37,576 Well my ex-wife was having her first, 704 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,730 her mother died three weeks before the birth. 705 00:35:40,830 --> 00:35:42,376 And she couldn't grieve, because she thought 706 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,800 it was unfair to the child. 707 00:35:44,900 --> 00:35:48,930 Children have a right to happy parents, she said. 708 00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:50,310 Is that why you left your family? 709 00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:55,230 No, that's a-- 710 00:35:55,330 --> 00:35:58,460 No, there were lots of reasons. 711 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,560 But you not being happy was the main one. 712 00:36:00,660 --> 00:36:01,460 No. 713 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:02,460 I was shot. 714 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:03,630 I died. 715 00:36:03,730 --> 00:36:04,960 You mean you almost died. 716 00:36:05,060 --> 00:36:05,860 No. 717 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:06,860 I was dead. 718 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,100 For a short while. 719 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,520 Well, when I came out of hospital, 720 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,900 I could tell they'd all been preparing for my death. 721 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,206 They were all getting used to the fact 722 00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:15,510 that I wasn't going to be there. 723 00:36:18,030 --> 00:36:21,160 I know it sounds awful, but it's the kids I feel for, 724 00:36:21,260 --> 00:36:23,030 more than Debbie. 725 00:36:23,130 --> 00:36:25,260 Yep. 726 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,260 I wish John was here. 727 00:36:29,860 --> 00:36:31,530 My husband. 728 00:36:31,630 --> 00:36:33,860 He's away working. 729 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,360 Creegan. 730 00:36:35,460 --> 00:36:37,360 Tom and Rose are ready for us. 731 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,030 Take care of yourself. 732 00:36:43,130 --> 00:36:44,130 And the baby. 733 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,830 Sorry about the ungodly hour, but once I get going, 734 00:36:49,930 --> 00:36:51,100 I don't stop till I finish. 735 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,430 I didn't even notice the time. 736 00:36:52,530 --> 00:36:53,300 Don't worry. 737 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,960 Some of us don't need much sleep. 738 00:36:55,060 --> 00:36:55,900 Anyway. 739 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,230 It's over here. 740 00:36:57,330 --> 00:36:59,660 Did Simmons fax you the photo of van deTwist? 741 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:00,600 Oh, yeah, over there. 742 00:37:00,700 --> 00:37:01,700 By the fax machine. 743 00:37:12,130 --> 00:37:13,300 It's not him. 744 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,600 It's not deTwist. 745 00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:18,860 We're appealing to the public for any information. 746 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,860 Anything at all which may help us to identify this man. 747 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,360 That's it. 748 00:37:25,460 --> 00:37:26,736 Is it true that three people have been burned 749 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,076 to death in the last few weeks, and that you're 750 00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:29,260 operating a news blackout? 751 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,776 Conferences Conference is over, gentlemen. 752 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,136 Don't you think the public deserve to know 753 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:33,000 what's going on? 754 00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:34,560 It's a nice try, Sid. 755 00:37:34,660 --> 00:37:36,306 We're as sure as we can be the body didn't belong to deTwist. 756 00:37:36,330 --> 00:37:37,906 Yeah we got a whole set of dental records 757 00:37:37,930 --> 00:37:40,600 to double check, but the face is completely different. 758 00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:42,006 Which now means you have to consider 759 00:37:42,030 --> 00:37:44,630 him as our main suspect. 760 00:37:44,730 --> 00:37:45,800 He's our only suspect. 761 00:37:45,900 --> 00:37:47,300 And has he previous for arson? 762 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,900 At the risk of repeating myself, sir, this isn't arson. 763 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,306 It was a resident of Hineman house, 764 00:37:51,330 --> 00:37:52,800 so he knows the location. 765 00:37:52,900 --> 00:37:55,260 10 years ago he allegedly burnt the place down. 766 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,100 A victim of that fire believes he did it with murder in mind. 767 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,100 It fits the profile. 768 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,430 He also fits Michael Flynn's description. 769 00:38:02,530 --> 00:38:03,400 Michael Flynn? 770 00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:04,860 The survivor of the southgate fire. 771 00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:06,060 Can we talk about this later? 772 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,160 We're appealing to the public for any information. 773 00:38:12,260 --> 00:38:15,860 Anything at all which may help us identify this man. 774 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,800 I've had two people give the same name. 775 00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:43,950 One woman wouldn't leave her name, 776 00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:45,400 she rang off pretty quick. 777 00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:46,730 The other was his ex-wife. 778 00:38:46,830 --> 00:38:48,730 Said she hadn't seen him for a few months, 779 00:38:48,830 --> 00:38:50,230 but that's nothing unusual. 780 00:38:50,330 --> 00:38:51,560 Robert Wise. 781 00:38:51,660 --> 00:38:54,900 He's come up on line one, as well. 782 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,360 Robert Wise was a psychiatric nurse between '83 and '89. 783 00:38:58,460 --> 00:38:59,540 He worked at Hineman house. 784 00:38:59,630 --> 00:39:00,330 How'd you know? 785 00:39:00,430 --> 00:39:01,600 Just spoken to his ex-wife. 786 00:39:01,700 --> 00:39:03,600 So, deTwist knew him. 787 00:39:03,700 --> 00:39:04,980 That doesn't mean he killed him. 788 00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:06,330 What it does mean is that Robert 789 00:39:06,430 --> 00:39:07,776 Wise was killed in the place where he used to work. 790 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,530 Well, what about Flynn? How does he fit in? 791 00:39:09,630 --> 00:39:10,460 He doesn't. 792 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,100 He never did. 793 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,860 Because Michael Flynn burned down his own house. 794 00:39:19,060 --> 00:39:22,100 Look, he said he saw your man run away at, what, 10:00? 795 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,230 The neighbors raised the alarm 11:15. 796 00:39:24,330 --> 00:39:25,730 No one else reported seeing anyone. 797 00:39:25,830 --> 00:39:27,376 There was no accelerant on the outside of the front door, 798 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,200 and there was no sign of a forced entry. 799 00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:32,400 He planned it, man. 800 00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:34,000 This wasn't an insurance scam. 801 00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:35,760 The house wasn't insured. 802 00:39:35,860 --> 00:39:37,300 It was overcrowded. 803 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,300 Two adults, three children, sharing a two bedroomed house? 804 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:42,860 They wanted a transfer. 805 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,836 They tried three times, but they were turned down because they 806 00:39:44,860 --> 00:39:46,960 owed too much background. 807 00:39:47,060 --> 00:39:48,400 He made up the suspect, Martin. 808 00:39:58,700 --> 00:40:01,960 I really can't see why we needed to meet here. 809 00:40:02,060 --> 00:40:03,460 Well, thanks for coming anyway. 810 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,136 I'm due at a select committee in an hour. 811 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,530 We'll be five minutes. 812 00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:08,036 We just need some help with the layout of this place. 813 00:40:08,060 --> 00:40:09,780 Oh, well, this used to be the admin section. 814 00:40:09,830 --> 00:40:12,130 The residents rooms mostly on the first floor. 815 00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:14,060 Can we start with your office? 816 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,160 The end of this corridor. 817 00:40:17,730 --> 00:40:20,060 After you. 818 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,160 This was it. 819 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,530 It smelt a little better when it was my office. 820 00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:37,230 There are few things as destructive as fire. 821 00:40:37,330 --> 00:40:39,000 Depends on your perspective, really. 822 00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:40,406 Heard the Marys believed that fire 823 00:40:40,430 --> 00:40:43,100 was a gift from the gods blind grandmother. 824 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,840 She drew it from her fingernails by magic. 825 00:40:47,830 --> 00:40:49,360 What was this room used for? 826 00:40:49,460 --> 00:40:50,900 It was the main dining room. 827 00:40:53,860 --> 00:40:55,360 Beautiful isn't it? 828 00:40:55,460 --> 00:40:58,400 The man who founded the charity insisted on things like that. 829 00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:01,400 He said people who suffer torment in their inner world 830 00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:03,160 deserve to be surrounded by beauty. 831 00:41:06,260 --> 00:41:07,830 How long did Robert Wise work here? 832 00:41:07,930 --> 00:41:09,400 Who? 833 00:41:09,500 --> 00:41:11,560 Oh, the man they found here. 834 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,100 I'm sorry. It was so long ago. 835 00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:23,900 Do you remember a resident called Matt van deTwist? 836 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,160 I'm afraid not. 837 00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:34,700 Well, her office might smell better, but she stinks. 838 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,560 Investigations said the fire started in the kitchen 839 00:41:40,660 --> 00:41:44,630 Her office is at the other side of the house. 840 00:41:44,730 --> 00:41:45,600 Yep. 841 00:41:45,700 --> 00:41:46,876 There's no way those residents files 842 00:41:46,900 --> 00:41:49,560 could have gone up in smoke. 843 00:41:49,660 --> 00:41:50,900 Lucy Barnes. 844 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,736 She was one anonymous callers that was identified Wise. 845 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,060 Why refuse to give your name and then turn up in person? 846 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,236 Must have something on her mind. 847 00:41:56,260 --> 00:41:58,330 At first I thought somebody started 848 00:41:58,430 --> 00:42:01,260 the rumor out of malice. 849 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,900 Very hard to believe that a colleague, a nurse 850 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,400 could use his power to-- 851 00:42:12,860 --> 00:42:14,730 What we talking about? 852 00:42:14,830 --> 00:42:16,000 Assault? 853 00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:18,560 Rape. 854 00:42:18,660 --> 00:42:19,500 Who? 855 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,160 How many? 856 00:42:21,260 --> 00:42:22,760 I don't know for sure. 857 00:42:22,860 --> 00:42:25,630 When people who are already in a pretty fragile state of abuse 858 00:42:25,730 --> 00:42:30,130 like that, they don't usually talk. 859 00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:31,530 Was it just women? 860 00:42:31,630 --> 00:42:32,300 No. 861 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,400 I don't think so. 862 00:42:36,930 --> 00:42:39,130 Did you tell Phillipa Edwards? 863 00:42:39,230 --> 00:42:40,900 She didn't want to know. 864 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,206 I could see she was more concerned 865 00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:45,030 about any potential scandal. 866 00:42:45,130 --> 00:42:46,436 I gave my notice in, and three weeks 867 00:42:46,460 --> 00:42:48,360 later, the place burned down. 868 00:42:48,460 --> 00:42:49,930 Best thing that could have happened. 869 00:42:50,030 --> 00:42:51,536 I want a trace on all residents 870 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,636 and staff of Hienman house who overlapped with Robert Wise. 871 00:42:53,660 --> 00:42:54,660 Sure. 872 00:42:56,660 --> 00:42:58,536 We've got a mother who wasn't averse to giving her kids 873 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,530 methadone to keep them quiet. 874 00:43:00,630 --> 00:43:03,800 And a nurse who abused the trust of his patients. 875 00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:05,330 Debbie, failed her kids. 876 00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:09,200 Robert Wise, he failed the vulnerable adults in his care. 877 00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:11,060 If the killer was assaulted by Robert Wise, 878 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,200 then the killer is a victim. 879 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,200 The me is the killer. 880 00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:19,700 It's not the victim. 881 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,400 Y ME. 882 00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:23,760 But if it's an act of retribution by one 883 00:43:23,860 --> 00:43:27,760 of Wise's victims, why wait 10 years to carry it out? 884 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,100 I don't know. 885 00:44:08,860 --> 00:44:09,900 I should have rung first. 886 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,260 Is this a bad time? 887 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,400 No, of course not. 888 00:44:14,500 --> 00:44:15,330 No. 889 00:44:15,350 --> 00:44:17,370 Come in, come in, come in. 890 00:44:18,430 --> 00:44:19,260 You're working. 891 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:20,160 I'm so sorry. 892 00:44:20,260 --> 00:44:22,330 Believe me, it's fine. 893 00:44:22,430 --> 00:44:25,260 So how have you-- 894 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:26,200 It's very late. 895 00:44:26,300 --> 00:44:27,300 I'm really imposing. 896 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,760 No, you're not. 897 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,760 You all right? 898 00:45:20,860 --> 00:45:24,460 You're not coming down with something, huh? 899 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:25,560 Hey. 900 00:46:56,860 --> 00:46:58,460 I'm at Harmon House. 901 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,400 We have sighting of a man who fits Der Twest's description. 902 00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:04,230 Turn your bloody phone on, Creegan. 903 00:47:25,060 --> 00:47:27,160 synch & corrected by 7kozlov - www.myfbs.ru - 62827

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