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Anwen.
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- Long time.
- Steve.
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We've done as you asked,
removed Cooper from the scene.
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He is giving a statement
down at Haverfordwest Station.
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The paramedics put her
on the floor for CPR.
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We need the Home Office pathologist
on this.
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I'll call the coroner.
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And Anwen...
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make sure everyone knows
it's possible there's no crime here.
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Cooper should be treated
as sensitively
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as any husband
who's just lost his wife.
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There's no signs
of a struggle.
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No bruising on the arms or neck.
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We could have prevented this.
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We won't know if he killed her until
we get the pathologist's report.
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Till then, he won't be allowed
back in the house.
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He's staying with his brother.
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But this is a warning.
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John Cooper is out,
and no good can come of that.
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And...
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we could be shut down any day.
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So, it's not good enough
for us to sit around
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waiting for forensics
to save our arses.
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We have to make something happen.
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Those khaki shorts are out there.
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Morning.
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Ahead of you is 28 Rose Meadow Lane,
Cooper's last home.
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Behind you is Sardis village.
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This was his hunting ground.
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Those fields were his rat runs.
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And thanks to Huntsman, we know that
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these hedgerows
were his so-called "safes",
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where he hid items he'd stolen
or his offending gear.
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Now, these khaki shorts
worried him in the interviews.
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He thinks they're out there still.
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Steve Wilkins, hello.
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Hello, Mr Wilkins. It's
the Home Office pathologist here.
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Hello, sir.
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Thank you for getting back to me
so promptly.
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- The results of Pat Cooper's postmortem.
- Yeah?
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She died of natural causes.
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- Natural causes?
- Yes.
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- It was clearly heart failure.
- Her heart?
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OK.
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All right.
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Well, thank you for getting back.
We appreciate it.
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No problem.
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She saw this coming.
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She had an ad cut out from the paper
about arranging your own funeral.
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She knew.
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She knew living with him again
would be the death of her.
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Do you think
he'll try and make contact with you?
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No chance.
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What about the funeral?
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He won't want me there.
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What about what you want?
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If you want to attend your mother's
funeral, we can help with that.
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Too much aggro.
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I'll go see her in my own time.
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Andrew...
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on behalf of my team and myself...
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I'm sorry.
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It wasn't your fault.
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Bad things happen around bad men.
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He's right, Steve.
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It wasn't our fault.
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If Cooper was still inside,
Pat would still be alive
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and Andrew
would still have a mother.
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But with Pat out of the picture,
he's even more dangerous.
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It's like a ticking time bomb.
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Living on his own
is new territory for him.
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Just him and his thoughts.
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His fantasies, compulsions.
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Ten years' worth.
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We have come together
to commend our sister Patricia
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into the hands of Almighty God,
our heavenly father.
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In the presence of death,
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Christians have sure grounds
for hope and confidence,
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and even joy,
because the Lord Jesus Christ,
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who shared our human life and death,
was raised again triumphant
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and lives evermore.
In this faith, we put our trust.
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Help us, we humbly beseech thee,
Lord.
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Amen.
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Fuck!
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Glyn...
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Huntsman recovered all the items
of clothing from the house, correct?
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Yeah, they did, yeah.
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- And they photographed every item?
- Yeah.
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Khaki shorts.
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They're the same.
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There's something wrong
with this picture.
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Could the colour be affected
by the processing? The flash?
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Yeah, I guess so.
And it's an old picture.
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We need to see what these shorts
actually look like.
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Jesus Christ...
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They are khaki.
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But they do look a lot shorter.
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Maybe he had them altered.
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Pat was a seamstress.
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May I?
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Oh, Steve, elasticated waistband.
No fly.
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They...
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They look like women's shorts.
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Yeah, well, they're all we've got.
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We're sending them in for testing.
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Steve Wilkins.
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Steve, it's Angela Gallop.
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Are you driving, by any chance?
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It's OK, you're on speaker.
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I think you'd better pull over.
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OK.
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- What is it?
- Right...
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So, we unpicked the hem
of the shorts, like you asked,
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and we taped the uncovered area
for fibres
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and noticed there is a faint stain.
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So, we went back
to the exact same spot
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on the shorts and...
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...found a tiny flake of blood.
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It's Peter Dixon's.
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- How sure are you?
- Full profile.
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The probability of that blood
having come from anybody else
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is a billion to one.
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It's your golden nugget, Steve.
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Steve?
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Are you still there?
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Please, don't take this
the wrong way...
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...but I bloody love you!
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Charge him with the lot.
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Including Nolton Hill?
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- The lot.
- Yes!
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Check the vehicle.
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We're going in.
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Morning, John.
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John William Cooper,
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you're under arrest for the murders
of Helen and Richard Thomas...
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- Fuck off! Get off me! Fuck off!
- ...and Peter and Gwenda Dixon.
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You are also under arrest
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for attempted armed robbery,
rape and sexual assault
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during an attack on five teenagers
in Milford Haven in 1996.
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Boss...
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Jesus...
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And I found this
in the glove compartment.
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We got him just in time.
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Right, John.
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You know
Detective Inspector Richards.
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I am Detective Superintendent
Steve Wilkins.
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I know who you are.
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Can you see OK, John?
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I've got a spare pair of glasses
if you need them.
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That's me.
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That isn't.
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The last time we met, you said
you'd never had collar-length hair.
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Oh, so I forgot that I had
collar-length hair 20 years ago.
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It's not a crime, is it?
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Let's talk about the shorts the man
in the drawing's wearing, John.
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Mr Cooper is being shown
a photo of item AJM/165.
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The khaki shorts recovered by
Huntsman from 28 Rose Meadow Lane.
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Now, the last time you spoke to us,
John,
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you said that
you'd once owned a pair of
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what you described as khaki bathers.
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Is that them?
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Well...
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if they're from my home, maybe.
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Strictly speaking,
they're not bathers, John.
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The fabric's too heavy.
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I used them as bathers.
So, to me, that's what they are.
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During the interview in July 2008,
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you said that the shorts
worn by the man in the drawing
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couldn't possibly be yours
as your bathers were much shorter.
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See for yourself.
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For the tape, I'm showing Mr Cooper
item AJM/165/B.
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We unpicked the hem, John.
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So, do you see how,
with the excess fabric turned down,
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the difference in length between
the two pairs of shorts is reduced?
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If you do that to any garment,
that's what'll happen.
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Yeah, we know your wife
used to work as a seamstress.
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Did she alter these shorts?
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You leave my wife out of this.
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Since the July 2008 interviews,
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certain forensic discoveries
have been made
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which we would like to discuss
with you
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so that you can have an opportunity
to comment.
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In reference to AJM/165/B,
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this white circle indicates an area
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where an amount of Peter Dixon's
blood was found.
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Can you give us an explanation
as to how that might be?
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Pat got most of my clothes
from the Oxfam and Army Surplus.
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Oh, and you should also
be talking to my son.
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As I told you all before, he was in
the habit of borrowing my clothes.
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John...
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was Peter Dixon's blood
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deposited on the khaki shorts
when you shot him?
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I've never killed anybody
in my life. These shorts...
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sorry, bathers...
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were something of a treasure trove,
John. Especially the pockets.
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Photo AJM/166.
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What this photo shows us, John,
is a microscopic image
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of the fluff found in the pockets
of your khaki bathers.
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Fluff that consisted of human hair.
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Yours. Skin cells. Also yours.
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But nothing of your son, though.
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Certain fabric fibres
were also found in the fluff.
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For the tape, glove BB/109,
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found under the hedgerow near
your home at 28 Rose Meadow Lane.
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MTJ/5 and 7 recovered by Huntsman
from the Sardis trail.
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John, are these three gloves yours?
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Absolutely not.
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As I told you before, Adrian
was the glove-wearer in our family.
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I never wore gloves.
I found them too cumbersome.
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What about the new pair
we found in the boot of your car?
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Well...
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obviously, I wear gloves now.
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Now I'm older, I feel the cold more.
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Fibres exactly matching
the constituent fibres
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of these three gloves
were found in the fluff
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from the pockets
of your khaki bathers.
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- How do you account for that?
- Are you deaf?
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I told you, Adrian wore the bathers
more than me.
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When two articles of clothing
come into contact with each other,
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there is always
an exchange of fibres.
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On glove BB/109,
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our team found fibres
from another source.
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For the tape, BM/1,
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a sock belonging to Richard Thomas.
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The only item of clothing
recovered from his body
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after it was destroyed in the fire
at Scoveston Park in 1985.
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Fibres from this sock
were found on glove BB/109.
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And fibres from this glove
were found on this sock.
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- Are you with me so far, John?
- Oh, keep talking, yeah.
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I know you want to.
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These discoveries are consistent
with the accepted view
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that Richard Thomas' killer
wore gloves
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when he dragged his body
from the outbuilding
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into the main house at Scoveston.
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Are you listening to this, huh?
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- This is Fantasy Island.
- John...
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are you the person responsible
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for the murder
of Richard and Helen Thomas
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at Scoveston Park in December 1985?
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No.
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I was not.
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Fibres are the gifts
that keep on giving, John.
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Other fibres,
from a different source,
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were found on gloves MTJ/5 and 7.
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For the tape, BKG/9.
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Those fibres were an exact match
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with constituent fibres found
in the underwear of a young female
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who was raped
on the evening of the 6th March 1996
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in a field by the Nolton Hill
Estate, Milford Haven.
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John, are you the person who,
on 6th March 1996,
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pointed a gun at five young people,
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three females and two males,
on Nolton Hill
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and searched them for money?
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Mr Cooper has not answered.
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00:17:28,367 --> 00:17:32,143
John, are you the person
who raped one of the young females?
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Mr Cooper has not answered.
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John, are you the person
who indecently assaulted
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one of the other young females?
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For the tape...
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00:17:50,326 --> 00:17:54,127
PH/2, the sawn-off shotgun
found on the Sardis trail,
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00:17:54,167 --> 00:17:56,085
which matches the description
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00:17:56,086 --> 00:17:59,005
given by two of the victims
of the Nolton Hill attack,
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and the victim
in the Sardis robbery,
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a crime we know
you were convicted of in 1998.
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If you're gonna say
that you found my DNA
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on that, I told her...
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00:18:08,526 --> 00:18:10,966
about the prosecution making me
handle it during the trial.
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00:18:10,967 --> 00:18:14,487
Well, we did find DNA on the gun,
John.
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But not yours.
273
00:18:15,967 --> 00:18:19,167
You see the black finish
on the barrel and stock?
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Anvileen satin black metal paint.
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For the tape, JAW/100,
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recovered by Huntsman from the shed
at 28 Rose Meadow Lane.
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00:18:31,246 --> 00:18:33,407
John...
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were you the one who applied
this paint to the barrel of the gun?
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That is not...
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my gun.
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We had the paint removed.
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On some of the flakes,
our forensic scientists
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00:18:47,127 --> 00:18:50,519
noticed a reddish cast
that tested positive for blood.
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00:18:51,207 --> 00:18:53,207
Peter Dixon's blood.
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00:18:53,246 --> 00:18:55,167
John...
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00:18:55,207 --> 00:18:59,806
did you shoot Peter and Gwenda Dixon
with this gun?
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00:19:05,967 --> 00:19:08,975
- What are you doing, John?
- John...
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Sit down, John.
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00:19:43,661 --> 00:19:45,461
Erin James?
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00:19:45,502 --> 00:19:47,742
Erin Davies. I'm married.
291
00:19:48,701 --> 00:19:50,421
Hi, Erin.
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I'm Detective Inspector
Ella Richards.
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00:19:52,862 --> 00:19:55,261
This is Detective Superintendent
Steve Wilkins.
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00:19:55,262 --> 00:19:56,782
Mm, I remember you.
295
00:20:06,141 --> 00:20:08,661
Erin, we've recently arrested a man
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on suspicion of
committing four murders.
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00:20:11,381 --> 00:20:13,900
We also believe he was the man
who attacked you
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00:20:13,901 --> 00:20:15,581
and your friends in 1996.
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00:20:16,981 --> 00:20:18,661
After all this time?
300
00:20:18,701 --> 00:20:21,661
I'm so sorry.
I realise this must be a shock.
301
00:20:21,701 --> 00:20:24,601
Why couldn't you have done this
13 years ago?
302
00:20:25,342 --> 00:20:26,661
Erin...
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00:20:26,701 --> 00:20:28,301
may I say something?
304
00:20:32,502 --> 00:20:34,302
We know we let you down.
305
00:20:35,822 --> 00:20:38,900
All we want is to see to it the man
who hurt you and your friends
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00:20:38,901 --> 00:20:41,101
never gets to hurt anyone else
ever again.
307
00:20:41,102 --> 00:20:43,369
And you can help make that happen.
308
00:20:45,221 --> 00:20:47,501
All of you will be assigned
Family Liaison Officers
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00:20:47,502 --> 00:20:49,700
to support you and your family
through the process.
310
00:20:49,701 --> 00:20:51,420
The trial won't be for weeks yet.
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00:20:51,421 --> 00:20:53,941
I won't be taking part in any trial.
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00:20:53,981 --> 00:20:56,261
None of you will be required
to appear in court.
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00:20:56,262 --> 00:20:58,796
Everything will be done
via video link.
314
00:20:59,822 --> 00:21:02,541
You won't have to be
in the same room as him.
315
00:21:02,542 --> 00:21:05,421
My husband doesn't know I was raped.
316
00:21:17,221 --> 00:21:18,941
How was it?
317
00:21:18,981 --> 00:21:21,621
Leanne Dauncey will testify.
318
00:21:21,661 --> 00:21:24,620
Erin's angry, but Leanne thinks
she can talk her round.
319
00:21:24,621 --> 00:21:27,821
Karen Joseph's out of the question.
She's practically housebound.
320
00:21:27,822 --> 00:21:31,342
She's had mental health issues
ever since the attack.
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00:21:31,381 --> 00:21:33,581
The two boys won't cooperate,
either.
322
00:21:33,582 --> 00:21:37,781
Not after everything that happened
with the original investigation.
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00:21:37,782 --> 00:21:40,660
The trial begins
at Swansea Crown Court tomorrow
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00:21:40,661 --> 00:21:45,181
of 65-year-old John William Cooper
of Letterston, Pembrokeshire.
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00:21:45,221 --> 00:21:47,980
Cooper has been charged
with the four murders
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00:21:47,981 --> 00:21:49,940
and with the rape
and indecent assault
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00:21:49,941 --> 00:21:54,141
of two teenage girls
at Milford Haven in 1996.
328
00:22:04,141 --> 00:22:07,101
The defence will make much
of the fact that the khaki shorts
329
00:22:07,102 --> 00:22:09,221
are indeed women's shorts.
330
00:22:09,262 --> 00:22:12,581
That it makes no sense
that the defendant was wearing them
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00:22:12,582 --> 00:22:15,382
when he brutally murdered
Mr and Mrs Dixon.
332
00:22:15,862 --> 00:22:19,822
But murder cases have a habit
of defying common sense.
333
00:22:20,862 --> 00:22:23,662
According to the son
of Mr and Mrs Dixon...
334
00:22:24,461 --> 00:22:27,861
...whenever his parents went walking
and his mother was wearing
335
00:22:27,862 --> 00:22:30,940
long trousers, she would always
put a pair of shorts
336
00:22:30,941 --> 00:22:34,862
in her backpack
in case the weather turned warm.
337
00:22:34,901 --> 00:22:37,701
But no shorts of any description
were found
338
00:22:37,742 --> 00:22:39,876
at the Coastal Path crime scene.
339
00:22:40,421 --> 00:22:42,221
Why?
340
00:22:43,901 --> 00:22:46,980
Imagine the sequence of events,
ladies and gentlemen.
341
00:22:46,981 --> 00:22:51,262
The defendant shoots the Dixons
at close range.
342
00:22:51,302 --> 00:22:55,022
He then moves their bodies
and covers them with branches.
343
00:22:55,062 --> 00:22:58,062
In the process,
some of their blood -
344
00:22:58,102 --> 00:23:02,180
judging by these distressing images,
probably a lot of their blood -
345
00:23:02,181 --> 00:23:04,901
gets onto his trousers.
346
00:23:04,941 --> 00:23:09,381
In a panic, he goes through
his victims' backpacks and finds...
347
00:23:10,461 --> 00:23:13,701
...Mrs Dixon's khaki shorts.
348
00:23:13,742 --> 00:23:15,980
He removes
his own blood-stained trousers
349
00:23:15,981 --> 00:23:19,901
and puts on Mrs Dixon's shorts
and quits the scene,
350
00:23:19,941 --> 00:23:23,542
taking his trousers with him,
unaware that a single spot
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00:23:23,582 --> 00:23:28,621
of Peter Dixon's blood
had found its way onto the shorts.
352
00:23:35,141 --> 00:23:37,062
How come you're not inside?
353
00:23:39,022 --> 00:23:41,421
The SIO is the last Crown witness.
354
00:23:42,502 --> 00:23:45,061
I'm not allowed in
until I give my evidence.
355
00:23:45,062 --> 00:23:46,662
How are you feeling?
356
00:23:47,981 --> 00:23:49,701
Ready as I'll ever be.
357
00:23:50,981 --> 00:23:52,342
Come on.
358
00:23:55,661 --> 00:23:59,862
This police artist's impression
was based on
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00:23:59,901 --> 00:24:02,341
a witness sighting of the defendant
as he withdrew cash
360
00:24:02,342 --> 00:24:07,621
from a NatWest ATM in Haverfordwest
using Peter Dixon's bank card.
361
00:24:07,661 --> 00:24:12,542
The sighting was made two days after
the murder and yet, incredibly,
362
00:24:12,582 --> 00:24:16,461
the defendant was still wearing
Mrs Dixon's khaki shorts.
363
00:24:16,502 --> 00:24:21,381
A hugely incriminating piece of
evidence linking him to two murders.
364
00:24:21,421 --> 00:24:26,421
Why on earth had he not disposed of
them at the earliest opportunity?
365
00:24:26,461 --> 00:24:30,701
Think about what that says about
the mind of John William Cooper.
366
00:24:30,742 --> 00:24:33,262
Was he thumbing his nose
at the world,
367
00:24:33,302 --> 00:24:38,302
convinced that he was too clever
to be caught for his horrific crime?
368
00:24:38,342 --> 00:24:42,582
Or was his motivation darker,
stranger?
369
00:24:42,621 --> 00:24:48,181
Did he regard Mrs Dixon's shorts
as a trophy to be worn with pride...
370
00:24:49,701 --> 00:24:53,981
...and perhaps just a touch
of sexual gratification?
371
00:24:54,022 --> 00:24:57,742
Whatever the explanation,
this drawing shows a killer
372
00:24:57,782 --> 00:25:00,822
wearing an item of clothing
stolen from a woman
373
00:25:00,862 --> 00:25:03,181
he has murdered in cold blood.
374
00:25:03,221 --> 00:25:06,102
The defendant has always maintained
375
00:25:06,141 --> 00:25:08,581
that this drawing
bears no resemblance to himself
376
00:25:08,582 --> 00:25:11,062
as he was in the summer of 1989.
377
00:25:11,102 --> 00:25:14,141
But due to an extraordinary
quirk of fate,
378
00:25:14,181 --> 00:25:16,781
one month before
the Coastal Path murders,
379
00:25:16,782 --> 00:25:19,502
his likeness was captured on video
380
00:25:19,542 --> 00:25:23,318
during his appearance on a game show
on national television.
381
00:25:24,181 --> 00:25:26,515
The resulting image speaks volumes.
382
00:25:34,862 --> 00:25:36,621
This is you.
383
00:25:36,661 --> 00:25:39,461
Now, he can see you.
But you can't see him.
384
00:25:40,621 --> 00:25:42,981
And, er... be warned.
385
00:25:43,022 --> 00:25:45,700
His defence barrister
will be rough with you.
386
00:25:45,701 --> 00:25:48,061
He'll try and paint you
as the unreliable witness
387
00:25:48,062 --> 00:25:49,460
with an axe to grind.
388
00:25:49,461 --> 00:25:51,221
No worries, Steve.
389
00:25:51,262 --> 00:25:53,021
I've got my dragon scales
for protection.
390
00:25:53,022 --> 00:25:55,822
Let's have the jury back in,
please.
391
00:26:02,221 --> 00:26:04,821
Both the barristers
will refer to you as Adrian.
392
00:26:04,822 --> 00:26:07,180
That's just so the jury
doesn't get confused.
393
00:26:07,181 --> 00:26:08,421
No problem.
394
00:26:08,461 --> 00:26:11,741
Mr Evans, are you content to
begin your cross-examination...?
395
00:26:11,742 --> 00:26:13,676
Why did you change your name?
396
00:26:15,901 --> 00:26:18,568
Cos he was the one
that called me Adrian.
397
00:26:19,701 --> 00:26:22,235
It was more of a girl's name
back then.
398
00:26:23,102 --> 00:26:26,701
You know that Johnny Cash song,
A Boy Named Sue?
399
00:26:27,862 --> 00:26:29,542
He played it constantly.
400
00:26:31,102 --> 00:26:33,502
"Adrian, they're playing your song."
401
00:26:35,262 --> 00:26:36,622
He said he called me a girl's name
402
00:26:36,623 --> 00:26:39,523
for the same reason
as the father in the song.
403
00:26:40,141 --> 00:26:41,661
To toughen me up...
404
00:26:42,461 --> 00:26:44,141
...cos I'd have to fight.
405
00:26:45,062 --> 00:26:47,529
Maybe it's the one thing
he got right.
406
00:26:48,862 --> 00:26:50,542
I'm a stubborn bastard.
407
00:26:52,141 --> 00:26:53,781
Isn't it true, Adrian,
408
00:26:53,782 --> 00:26:57,661
that when you were living
at 28 Rose Meadow Lane
409
00:26:57,701 --> 00:27:00,380
you often used to wear
your father's clothes?
410
00:27:00,381 --> 00:27:02,502
No, I never wore his clothes.
411
00:27:02,542 --> 00:27:04,661
What about gloves, Adrian?
412
00:27:04,701 --> 00:27:08,140
Isn't it true that you were
the glove-wearer of the family?
413
00:27:08,141 --> 00:27:11,062
I used to wear gloves.
But so did he.
414
00:27:11,102 --> 00:27:13,342
And who do you mean by "he"?
415
00:27:15,262 --> 00:27:17,542
John Cooper.
416
00:27:17,582 --> 00:27:19,542
Your father?
417
00:27:21,421 --> 00:27:23,621
Yes, sir.
418
00:27:23,661 --> 00:27:27,862
Isn't it true, Adrian,
that from the age of 11
419
00:27:27,901 --> 00:27:31,581
you started to become disobedient
both at home and at school?
420
00:27:31,582 --> 00:27:33,221
Yes, a bit, maybe.
421
00:27:33,262 --> 00:27:35,620
Your disobedience developed
into theft, did it not,
422
00:27:35,621 --> 00:27:37,501
stealing money from your mother
and father?
423
00:27:37,502 --> 00:27:38,542
No!
424
00:27:38,582 --> 00:27:40,900
I never stole any money
from my parents.
425
00:27:40,901 --> 00:27:42,421
I'm not a thief.
426
00:27:44,221 --> 00:27:46,980
A few days after the murders
of Mr and Mrs Dixon,
427
00:27:46,981 --> 00:27:50,461
a gold band was sold
to a jewellers in Pembroke Dock,
428
00:27:50,502 --> 00:27:53,141
which the prosecution claim
429
00:27:53,181 --> 00:27:57,261
was the wedding ring the killer
removed from Peter Dixon's corpse.
430
00:27:57,262 --> 00:28:00,501
The transaction was recorded
by the jeweller on a receipt
431
00:28:00,502 --> 00:28:03,941
bearing the signature J Cooper.
432
00:28:03,981 --> 00:28:05,741
The court has heard
that your father,
433
00:28:05,742 --> 00:28:08,542
John William Cooper,
stated that the sig...
434
00:28:09,421 --> 00:28:11,555
...jeweller's receipt was not...
435
00:28:11,981 --> 00:28:15,862
...and that the usual form
of his signature is JW Cooper.
436
00:28:15,901 --> 00:28:18,420
Isn't it true, Adrian,
that when you lived at...
437
00:28:18,421 --> 00:28:21,140
28 Rose Meadow Lane, you were in
438
00:28:21,141 --> 00:28:23,861
the habit of forging the signatures
of both your mother and father
439
00:28:23,862 --> 00:28:26,821
for the purpose of fraudulently
cashing cheques in their names?
440
00:28:26,822 --> 00:28:28,061
No, that's totally untrue.
441
00:28:28,062 --> 00:28:29,980
You deny that you were
an accomplished forger
442
00:28:29,981 --> 00:28:31,541
of both your mother...
443
00:28:31,542 --> 00:28:33,541
...and father's signature?
444
00:28:33,542 --> 00:28:36,220
- I can't hear what you're saying.
- Can't hear...
445
00:28:36,221 --> 00:28:38,342
...or refuse to hear, Adrian?
446
00:28:38,381 --> 00:28:40,940
Sorry, Mr Evans, we're having
a technical issue this end.
447
00:28:40,941 --> 00:28:44,013
Your voice keeps cutting out.
One minute, please.
448
00:28:49,221 --> 00:28:51,821
Carry on, Mr Evans.
It should be OK now.
449
00:28:53,421 --> 00:28:55,542
I put it to you, Adrian,
450
00:28:55,582 --> 00:28:58,940
that for reasons known
only to yourself, you have long
451
00:28:58,941 --> 00:29:02,021
harboured a passionate vendetta
against your father.
452
00:29:02,022 --> 00:29:03,980
That, because of this vendetta,
453
00:29:03,981 --> 00:29:06,021
in your dealings
with the police in both
454
00:29:06,022 --> 00:29:08,460
the Huntsman
and the Ottawa investigations,
455
00:29:08,461 --> 00:29:11,221
you have done everything
in your power
456
00:29:11,262 --> 00:29:13,940
to assist them in
their singled-minded persecution
457
00:29:13,941 --> 00:29:15,381
of your father.
458
00:29:15,421 --> 00:29:18,101
Indeed, that you see your appearance
in court today as merely
459
00:29:18,102 --> 00:29:20,460
another opportunity
to spread more lies.
460
00:29:20,461 --> 00:29:22,928
Do you really think
I want to be here?
461
00:29:38,901 --> 00:29:41,168
Erin, Leanne,
thank you for coming.
462
00:29:42,302 --> 00:29:45,461
These are our parents
and Erin's husband.
463
00:29:46,582 --> 00:29:49,541
Er, we'll show you to the room
you'll be giving your evidence from.
464
00:29:49,542 --> 00:29:53,742
We've decided
to give our evidence in court.
465
00:29:54,701 --> 00:29:55,742
Oh?
466
00:29:57,062 --> 00:29:58,542
Karen died.
467
00:29:59,941 --> 00:30:01,221
What happened?
468
00:30:01,262 --> 00:30:02,862
Her health...
469
00:30:02,901 --> 00:30:05,901
finally gave out.
470
00:30:05,941 --> 00:30:08,381
- We're doing this for her.
- Yeah.
471
00:30:08,421 --> 00:30:10,488
- And Stephen and David.
- Yeah.
472
00:30:22,181 --> 00:30:23,741
Are you OK?
473
00:30:23,742 --> 00:30:25,221
Tissues and water.
474
00:30:44,542 --> 00:30:47,461
We often played in the woods...
475
00:30:47,502 --> 00:30:48,941
by our estate.
476
00:30:50,342 --> 00:30:52,461
There was a rope swing.
477
00:30:52,502 --> 00:30:54,769
So, we were mucking about on that.
478
00:30:57,661 --> 00:30:59,181
About...
479
00:30:59,221 --> 00:31:02,221
eight o'clock it got dark,
so we headed home.
480
00:31:02,262 --> 00:31:05,206
We took the shortcut
across the farmer's field.
481
00:31:06,181 --> 00:31:10,141
We were about halfway along
when we heard a noise.
482
00:31:12,022 --> 00:31:14,141
We all turned round...
483
00:31:14,181 --> 00:31:18,149
and saw someone coming towards us,
shining a torch in our eyes.
484
00:31:19,661 --> 00:31:23,461
I thought it was a boy we knew,
so I shouted at him...
485
00:31:26,102 --> 00:31:29,622
..."Shine the light in our eyes,
why don't you, Martin?"
486
00:31:31,701 --> 00:31:34,822
But the person shouted back
in a man's voice...
487
00:31:36,141 --> 00:31:38,502
..."Do I look like Martin?"
488
00:31:40,862 --> 00:31:43,329
We all thought
it was the farmer then.
489
00:31:44,181 --> 00:31:45,302
But, erm...
490
00:31:45,342 --> 00:31:51,661
as he came closer, we could see he
had a mask on over his head with...
491
00:31:51,701 --> 00:31:54,502
holes for the mouth and eyes...
492
00:31:54,542 --> 00:31:58,102
and er, he had a shotgun
pointing at us.
493
00:32:00,062 --> 00:32:05,822
Er, David started to apologise
to the man for us being on his land.
494
00:32:05,862 --> 00:32:08,302
The man told him to shut up
495
00:32:08,342 --> 00:32:10,981
and er, he...
496
00:32:11,022 --> 00:32:13,556
hit him over the head
with the shotgun.
497
00:32:14,582 --> 00:32:15,621
And, erm...
498
00:32:19,542 --> 00:32:21,742
...David started crying then.
499
00:32:21,782 --> 00:32:26,342
And then he told us to walk down
to the lower part of the field,
500
00:32:26,381 --> 00:32:28,901
which you can't see from the estate.
501
00:32:30,981 --> 00:32:32,022
He...
502
00:32:32,062 --> 00:32:34,181
made us say our names.
503
00:32:34,221 --> 00:32:36,221
His voice was angry.
504
00:32:36,262 --> 00:32:37,996
We were all really scared.
505
00:32:38,941 --> 00:32:41,949
And then he told us
to lie down on the ground...
506
00:32:42,582 --> 00:32:44,916
...and keep our faces in the grass.
507
00:32:45,981 --> 00:32:47,661
And then I felt him...
508
00:32:48,621 --> 00:32:51,381
pulling my hair at the back.
509
00:32:56,062 --> 00:32:57,742
He told me to stand up...
510
00:33:02,661 --> 00:33:04,341
...and to go with him.
511
00:33:06,941 --> 00:33:09,821
Mrs Davies, the ordeal
that you and your friends suffered
512
00:33:09,822 --> 00:33:13,141
on the evening of 6th March 1996
513
00:33:13,181 --> 00:33:14,941
happened 15 years ago.
514
00:33:14,981 --> 00:33:16,661
You were a girl of 16.
515
00:33:16,701 --> 00:33:17,862
Yeah.
516
00:33:17,901 --> 00:33:20,582
You were terrified. It was dark.
517
00:33:20,621 --> 00:33:21,660
Given all that,
518
00:33:21,661 --> 00:33:23,861
how reliable
do you think your memory is
519
00:33:23,862 --> 00:33:25,929
of the events which took place?
520
00:33:26,981 --> 00:33:29,981
I remember every detail
like it was yesterday.
521
00:33:32,542 --> 00:33:34,942
You don't forget
something like that.
522
00:33:36,502 --> 00:33:37,742
You try to.
523
00:33:39,102 --> 00:33:40,862
But you can't.
524
00:33:40,901 --> 00:33:44,381
Did the man who attacked you
ever remove his mask?
525
00:33:45,661 --> 00:33:46,661
No.
526
00:33:47,822 --> 00:33:49,621
So, to be clear...
527
00:33:50,701 --> 00:33:55,421
...at no time did you, or any
of your friends, see his face?
528
00:34:00,221 --> 00:34:01,542
No.
529
00:34:19,843 --> 00:34:22,323
This man in the photograph
is the real John Cooper.
530
00:34:22,324 --> 00:34:25,972
A loving husband who was married
to his wife for 42 years.
531
00:34:26,923 --> 00:34:29,684
We had a son
who was the apple of our eye.
532
00:34:31,483 --> 00:34:34,747
An apple that went bad
and broke his mother's heart.
533
00:34:35,443 --> 00:34:38,764
I believe that the heart attack
that killed my wife
534
00:34:38,804 --> 00:34:40,937
was brought on because of the...
535
00:34:40,963 --> 00:34:44,804
the stress,
the sadness and the shame
536
00:34:44,843 --> 00:34:49,003
because of all the time that I spent
in prison as an innocent man.
537
00:34:49,644 --> 00:34:52,923
The police and Mr Elias
tell you I'm a liar.
538
00:34:52,963 --> 00:34:56,604
That I'm lying when I say
that most of my clothes,
539
00:34:56,644 --> 00:34:59,603
most significantly,
my khaki bathers, were second-hand.
540
00:34:59,604 --> 00:35:00,804
Well...
541
00:35:00,843 --> 00:35:03,283
obviously, they don't know
what it's like to be poor.
542
00:35:03,284 --> 00:35:06,123
This suit that I'm wearing today,
it's second-hand.
543
00:35:06,124 --> 00:35:07,643
In my wardrobe at home,
544
00:35:07,644 --> 00:35:11,804
I've got an overcoat second-hand
that I wore to my wife's funeral.
545
00:35:13,284 --> 00:35:16,723
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
I spent ten years of my life
546
00:35:16,724 --> 00:35:19,042
in prison
for crimes that I did not commit.
547
00:35:19,043 --> 00:35:21,284
Please... Please, do not allow
548
00:35:21,324 --> 00:35:25,644
the police to carry out another
miscarriage of justice against me.
549
00:35:26,644 --> 00:35:28,563
I am not a murderer.
550
00:35:28,604 --> 00:35:30,724
I am not a rapist.
551
00:35:30,764 --> 00:35:33,684
I am an innocent man
who's been wronged.
552
00:35:33,724 --> 00:35:35,084
Thank you.
553
00:35:37,244 --> 00:35:38,764
Mr Elias...
554
00:35:38,804 --> 00:35:40,362
it's a quarter to four.
555
00:35:40,363 --> 00:35:43,323
This would probably be
a suitable time for me to rise.
556
00:35:43,324 --> 00:35:45,603
Are you content to begin
your cross-examination
557
00:35:45,604 --> 00:35:47,123
of Mr Cooper tomorrow?
558
00:35:47,124 --> 00:35:48,562
If My Lord would permit,
559
00:35:48,563 --> 00:35:51,002
I would like to have
a few minutes with Mr Cooper.
560
00:35:51,003 --> 00:35:54,164
- Very well, Mr Elias.
- Thank you, My Lord.
561
00:35:54,204 --> 00:35:56,204
All right, Mr Cooper...
562
00:35:56,244 --> 00:35:58,562
I would like to ask you
a few questions about
563
00:35:58,563 --> 00:36:00,362
the balaclava which was discovered
564
00:36:00,363 --> 00:36:02,962
under the hedgerow near the scene
of the Sardis robbery.
565
00:36:02,963 --> 00:36:05,764
Ladies and gentlemen,
you will remember
566
00:36:05,804 --> 00:36:10,644
that this is the balaclava which,
in the course of the Huntsman trial,
567
00:36:10,684 --> 00:36:12,044
it was found that
568
00:36:12,084 --> 00:36:15,860
there were a number of the
defendant's head hairs within it.
569
00:36:16,883 --> 00:36:21,244
Could you please give Mr Cooper
exhibit MTJ/14, please?
570
00:36:23,443 --> 00:36:25,563
It's all right, Mr Cooper.
571
00:36:25,604 --> 00:36:27,522
The item has been cleared
forensically.
572
00:36:27,523 --> 00:36:30,390
Touching it won't compromise you
in any way.
573
00:36:35,284 --> 00:36:36,684
Mr Cooper...
574
00:36:36,724 --> 00:36:38,404
is that your balaclava?
575
00:36:39,684 --> 00:36:41,042
To the best of my knowledge.
576
00:36:41,043 --> 00:36:42,723
Yes or no, Mr Cooper?
577
00:36:43,644 --> 00:36:47,043
Yes. But I did not commit
the Sardis robbery.
578
00:36:47,084 --> 00:36:49,283
Like I said,
that was stolen off my boat
579
00:36:49,284 --> 00:36:51,042
long before it was found
under the hedgerow.
580
00:36:51,043 --> 00:36:53,843
But you accept
that the balaclava is yours?
581
00:36:55,324 --> 00:36:56,483
Yes.
582
00:36:56,523 --> 00:37:01,363
Mr Cooper, that isn't what you told
the jury during the Huntsman trial
583
00:37:01,403 --> 00:37:02,923
in 1998, is it?
584
00:37:03,963 --> 00:37:05,684
I know. I made a mistake.
585
00:37:06,684 --> 00:37:11,164
During that trial, under oath, you
denied that the balaclava was yours.
586
00:37:12,804 --> 00:37:15,443
So, my question to you, Mr Cooper,
587
00:37:15,483 --> 00:37:18,644
is were you lying to the jury
then...
588
00:37:18,684 --> 00:37:22,012
- or are you lying to the jury now?
- I'm not a liar.
589
00:37:22,324 --> 00:37:24,842
- I forgot. I made a mistake.
- Let me rephrase the question.
590
00:37:24,843 --> 00:37:26,123
What was the truth?
591
00:37:26,124 --> 00:37:30,002
What you told the jury in 1998
or what you've told the jury today?
592
00:37:30,003 --> 00:37:32,363
No, I didn't deliberately...
593
00:37:32,403 --> 00:37:33,522
I misremembered.
594
00:37:33,523 --> 00:37:37,724
Misremembered in 1998
or misremembered today, Mr Cooper?
595
00:37:41,043 --> 00:37:42,804
Mr Cooper...
596
00:37:42,843 --> 00:37:44,402
the question is a simple one.
597
00:37:44,403 --> 00:37:45,604
Which was it?
598
00:37:45,644 --> 00:37:50,164
What you said to the court in 1998
or what you have told us today?
599
00:37:56,244 --> 00:37:57,443
Today.
600
00:37:57,483 --> 00:38:01,403
So, you admit that in 1998
you lied to that jury?
601
00:38:01,443 --> 00:38:03,710
- Yes, but...
- Thank you, My Lord.
602
00:38:09,684 --> 00:38:10,764
So...
603
00:38:11,764 --> 00:38:13,444
...members of the jury...
604
00:38:14,284 --> 00:38:18,188
...it is now time for you to retire
to consider your verdicts.
605
00:38:19,124 --> 00:38:22,483
Remember, at all times,
you must keep in mind
606
00:38:22,523 --> 00:38:26,842
that it is for the Crown to prove
the guilt of John William Cooper...
607
00:38:26,843 --> 00:38:30,523
...not for the defence
to prove his innocence.
608
00:38:30,563 --> 00:38:35,284
If the Crown have failed to do that,
then you must find him...
609
00:38:35,324 --> 00:38:36,843
not guilty.
610
00:38:56,883 --> 00:38:58,403
- All right?
- Yeah.
611
00:38:59,563 --> 00:39:00,883
What are those?
612
00:39:00,923 --> 00:39:03,123
That's my post-verdict statements
for the press.
613
00:39:03,124 --> 00:39:04,923
Guilty. Not guilty.
614
00:39:05,963 --> 00:39:09,523
Well, you can get rid of that one.
615
00:39:09,563 --> 00:39:11,724
That's my letter of resignation.
616
00:39:11,764 --> 00:39:13,324
What?
617
00:39:13,363 --> 00:39:16,307
I'd have failed the victims
and their families.
618
00:39:29,724 --> 00:39:31,244
Verdict.
619
00:39:31,284 --> 00:39:32,564
All rise!
620
00:39:36,443 --> 00:39:38,724
Whatever the judgment is...
621
00:39:38,764 --> 00:39:40,764
we receive it with dignity.
622
00:39:40,804 --> 00:39:45,644
Ella, Lynne, Glyn, Nigel, Rambo,
it's been an honour
623
00:39:45,684 --> 00:39:47,403
and a privilege.
624
00:39:52,523 --> 00:39:54,724
- Cheers, boss.
- Cheers, boss.
625
00:39:54,764 --> 00:39:57,231
Let's have the jury in,
please.
626
00:40:17,244 --> 00:40:19,644
Will the foreman
please stand?
627
00:40:21,523 --> 00:40:23,724
Will the defendant please stand?
628
00:40:26,403 --> 00:40:28,163
My Lord,
the jury has been in retirement
629
00:40:28,164 --> 00:40:31,108
- for eight hours and ten minutes.
- Thank you.
630
00:40:32,764 --> 00:40:36,724
Mr Foreman, please answer
my next question yes or no.
631
00:40:36,764 --> 00:40:40,083
Have you reached a verdict
on which you are all agreed?
632
00:40:40,084 --> 00:40:41,644
Yes.
633
00:40:41,684 --> 00:40:44,604
Is that in relation
to all 11 counts?
634
00:40:44,644 --> 00:40:45,883
Yes.
635
00:40:46,923 --> 00:40:50,883
On count one of the indictment,
the murder of Helen Thomas,
636
00:40:50,923 --> 00:40:54,244
do you find the defendant,
John William Cooper,
637
00:40:54,284 --> 00:40:55,964
guilty or not guilty?
638
00:40:59,204 --> 00:41:01,604
- Guilty.
- Guilty.
639
00:41:03,443 --> 00:41:05,804
On count two of the indictment,
640
00:41:05,843 --> 00:41:09,042
the murder of Richard Thomas,
guilty or not guilty?
641
00:41:09,043 --> 00:41:11,204
- Guilty.
- Guilty.
642
00:41:13,124 --> 00:41:15,483
On count three of the indictment,
643
00:41:15,523 --> 00:41:19,764
the murder of Gwenda Dixon,
guilty or not guilty?
644
00:41:19,804 --> 00:41:21,684
Guilty.
645
00:41:21,724 --> 00:41:24,804
On count four of the indictment,
646
00:41:24,843 --> 00:41:27,851
the murder of Peter Dixon,
guilty or not guilty?
647
00:41:28,644 --> 00:41:29,644
Guilty.
648
00:41:30,804 --> 00:41:33,604
On count five of the indictment,
649
00:41:33,644 --> 00:41:35,483
the rape of Erin Davies,
650
00:41:35,523 --> 00:41:36,963
nee James...
651
00:41:38,244 --> 00:41:39,924
...guilty or not guilty?
652
00:41:42,963 --> 00:41:44,923
- Guilty.
- Rubbish!
653
00:41:44,963 --> 00:41:46,923
That's rubbish!
654
00:41:46,963 --> 00:41:49,084
I'm not a child rapist!
655
00:41:49,124 --> 00:41:50,683
This is not justice!
656
00:41:50,684 --> 00:41:55,042
On count six of the indictment, the
indecent assault of Leanne Dauncey,
657
00:41:55,043 --> 00:41:56,804
guilty or not guilty?
658
00:41:58,324 --> 00:42:00,164
- Guilty.
- This is rubbish!
659
00:42:00,204 --> 00:42:02,002
You've not heard all the evidence!
660
00:42:02,003 --> 00:42:04,470
This is a fit-up!
This is not justice!
661
00:42:04,483 --> 00:42:07,203
Mr Cooper, be quiet,
or I will have you removed.
662
00:42:07,204 --> 00:42:09,204
We love you, John!
663
00:42:09,244 --> 00:42:13,443
On counts seven, eight, nine, ten
and 11,
664
00:42:13,483 --> 00:42:17,923
the offences of attempted robbery,
guilty or not guilty?
665
00:42:17,963 --> 00:42:19,284
Guilty.
666
00:42:21,483 --> 00:42:22,763
John William Cooper,
667
00:42:22,764 --> 00:42:26,123
the jury have found you guilty
of all 11 counts on the indictment.
668
00:42:26,124 --> 00:42:27,562
Shut up, you stupid bastard!
669
00:42:27,563 --> 00:42:30,764
I hereby sentence you
to life imprisonment.
670
00:42:30,804 --> 00:42:33,243
The crimes for which
you have been convicted
671
00:42:33,244 --> 00:42:37,443
are of such evil wickedness,
the mandatory sentence of life...
672
00:42:37,483 --> 00:42:40,804
- This is not justice!
- ..will mean just that.
673
00:42:40,843 --> 00:42:43,843
- I'm an innocent man!
- Take him down.
674
00:42:43,883 --> 00:42:45,804
This is not justice!
675
00:42:45,843 --> 00:42:47,402
This is persecution!
676
00:42:47,403 --> 00:42:51,843
Persecution of John Cooper,
carried out by Steve Wilkins!
677
00:42:51,883 --> 00:42:55,362
A man is gonna spend time in prison
for a crime he did not commit!
678
00:42:55,363 --> 00:42:57,896
I am not a rapist!
I am not a murderer!
679
00:42:59,244 --> 00:43:01,363
This is a fit-up!
680
00:43:01,403 --> 00:43:04,070
I am not a murderer!
681
00:43:12,164 --> 00:43:15,203
Today's verdicts give the families
of Richard and Helen Thomas,
682
00:43:15,204 --> 00:43:16,882
Peter and Gwenda Dixon,
683
00:43:16,883 --> 00:43:19,442
and the five victims
of the Nolton Hill attack
684
00:43:19,443 --> 00:43:22,003
and their families justice.
685
00:43:22,043 --> 00:43:24,803
But there is no sentence
the court could have imposed
686
00:43:24,804 --> 00:43:25,962
on John William Cooper
687
00:43:25,963 --> 00:43:28,907
that could ever compensate them
for their loss.
688
00:43:29,403 --> 00:43:32,923
Today's verdicts
are a warning to all individuals
689
00:43:32,963 --> 00:43:35,163
who would commit
such terrible crimes.
690
00:43:35,164 --> 00:43:36,844
Whatever they touch...
691
00:43:37,963 --> 00:43:39,962
...will bear witness against them.
692
00:43:39,963 --> 00:43:41,443
Evidence lasts.
693
00:43:41,483 --> 00:43:43,164
It does not forget.
694
00:43:43,204 --> 00:43:44,764
And it cannot lie.
695
00:43:47,324 --> 00:43:51,228
And it will always be found
by those with the will to find it.
696
00:43:52,764 --> 00:43:54,483
Thank you.
697
00:43:58,443 --> 00:44:00,724
On behalf of Dyfed Powys Police,
698
00:44:00,764 --> 00:44:04,442
I would like to pay tribute
to the officers of Operation Ottawa
699
00:44:04,443 --> 00:44:08,003
for their diligence
and their professionalism.
700
00:44:10,164 --> 00:44:12,897
Are you ready for your exclusive,
Mr Hill?
701
00:44:13,244 --> 00:44:14,563
Thanks, Steve.
702
00:44:16,204 --> 00:44:18,003
- Are we good?
- Yeah.
703
00:44:21,204 --> 00:44:25,748
Detective Superintendent, can I get
your reaction to today's sentencing?
704
00:44:29,363 --> 00:44:31,362
Yeah, really great. Really nice.
705
00:44:31,363 --> 00:44:33,323
- Yeah?
- Brilliant. Yeah, it's amazing.
706
00:44:33,324 --> 00:44:35,004
- Great.
- It's all here.
707
00:44:35,043 --> 00:44:36,203
- He loves it?
- Yeah.
708
00:44:36,204 --> 00:44:38,363
- Awesome.
- It's all yours.
709
00:44:38,403 --> 00:44:40,204
- Much appreciated.
- Enjoy.
710
00:44:40,244 --> 00:44:42,244
I'll look after it, I promise.
711
00:44:42,724 --> 00:44:44,284
Thanks.
712
00:45:07,284 --> 00:45:08,684
Boss...
713
00:45:08,724 --> 00:45:10,524
Visitor for you downstairs.
714
00:45:17,363 --> 00:45:19,483
Hey, what's this?
715
00:45:19,523 --> 00:45:22,283
- I thought you were in school?
- Yeah, I got the afternoon off.
716
00:45:22,284 --> 00:45:24,723
I thought I'd come and see
where it all happened.
717
00:45:24,724 --> 00:45:27,324
Well, there's not much to see now.
718
00:45:29,563 --> 00:45:33,923
"There is no greater responsibility
or duty placed on a human being
719
00:45:33,963 --> 00:45:36,763
"than to investigate
the circumstances of the death
720
00:45:36,764 --> 00:45:38,444
"of another human being."
721
00:45:39,963 --> 00:45:41,963
Quite the job description, eh?
722
00:45:58,204 --> 00:46:00,604
I've decided
sixth form's not for me.
723
00:46:01,644 --> 00:46:03,324
Are you OK with that?
724
00:46:04,523 --> 00:46:06,804
- Does your mother know?
- Yeah.
725
00:46:08,003 --> 00:46:09,203
She blames you.
726
00:46:10,284 --> 00:46:11,804
Of course she does.
727
00:46:16,363 --> 00:46:18,696
I'm thinking of joining the police.
728
00:46:20,764 --> 00:46:22,124
Seriously?
729
00:46:23,244 --> 00:46:24,842
What about the football?
730
00:46:24,843 --> 00:46:26,563
Ah, come on, Dad.
731
00:46:26,604 --> 00:46:29,324
I'm good, but I'm not that good.
732
00:46:29,363 --> 00:46:32,243
What makes you think
you'd be any better as a policeman?
733
00:46:32,244 --> 00:46:34,083
You made a success of it.
How hard can it be?
734
00:46:34,084 --> 00:46:36,043
Watch it!
735
00:47:18,124 --> 00:47:20,084
I should've stayed.
736
00:47:23,604 --> 00:47:25,443
We should've talked.
737
00:47:29,923 --> 00:47:31,804
I'm sorry, Ma.
738
00:47:34,403 --> 00:47:38,164
♪ Huna blentyn
739
00:47:38,204 --> 00:47:42,043
♪ Ar fy mynwes
740
00:47:42,084 --> 00:47:46,084
♪ Clyd a chynnes
741
00:47:46,124 --> 00:47:49,724
♪ Ydyw hon
742
00:47:49,764 --> 00:47:53,923
♪ Breichiau mam sy'n
743
00:47:53,963 --> 00:47:57,724
♪ Dynn amdanat
744
00:47:57,764 --> 00:48:02,391
♪ Cariad mam sy dan fy mron. ♪
744
00:48:03,305 --> 00:49:03,696
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