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♪ Breichiau mam sy'n
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♪ Dynn amdanat
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♪ Cariad mam sy
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♪ Dan fy mron
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♪ Ni chaiff dim amharu'th gyntun
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♪ Ni wna undyn a thi gam ♪.
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Prime Minister Tony Blair
has led political
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tributes from a grateful nation...
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Hey, Dad.
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- Morning, sunshine. You up?
- Up? I'm out and about!
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Hm, pardon me, early riser.
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What is it, Dad?
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You said there was a match today.
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Oh, yeah.
Only a crappy school thing.
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Oh, well, I wanna come. Where is it?
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No, Dad, seriously,
it's not that type of match.
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No parents are gonna be there.
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You're wrong. I'll be there.
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...the Queen's 80th birthday
celebrations.
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Her sense of duty and service,
said Mr Blair...
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We set?
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Boss.
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Morning.
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Steve.
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How's the report coming?
ACPO are asking.
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Yeah, should be with you
by the end of play today.
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Any nasty surprises?
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I wish. It's gonna be a job
for me to find something to do.
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I have a hunch you'll manage.
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What's with the TV crew, Dave?
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Old news.
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Argh!
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Hey. What's up?
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So, er, Jack just texted
to say you're picking him up
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from the match.
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Yeah. Is there a problem?
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Well, back a month
and you're running the show.
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Look, just...
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just make sure you're there.
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Fran, I'll be there.
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Go on, Jack.
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So, I was thinking, we could have
a mid-week boys' night in.
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Take-away, DVD?
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I've cleared it with Mum.
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I said I'd stay over at Ryan's.
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Can't you stay at Ryan's
another night?
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I was thinking, how about you spend
one week with me,
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one week with your mum...?
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You know, that gives Mum and Mike
some space, too.
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Did Mum ask you to do this?
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No!
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But she's fine about it,
if you are.
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Can I think about it?
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Absolutely. Yeah.
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Look, go and stay at Ryan's tonight
and we'll chat.
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Come here.
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With so many recent successes
nationwide
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where DNA has played a key role
in solving cold cases,
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attention will inevitably turn to
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unsolved murders in Wales,
most notably the double murders
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of Peter and Gwenda Dixon
in Pembrokeshire.
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Jonathan Hill reports.
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Over 17 years ago,
the couple were blasted to death
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with a shotgun by an unknown killer
as they walked along here
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at the Coastal Path in Little Haven
in Pembrokeshire.
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Despite
a huge police investigation,
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no-one was ever charged
for the crime,
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and the Dixon family's long wait
for justice continues.
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A lot of people have said
they no longer feel comfortable
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coming to this path any more.
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They say
it no longer feels the same.
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We asked Dyfed Powys Police
for a comment
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but were told that no-one
was available.
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Old news?
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Meanwhile, the identity of John
and Gwenda Dixon's vicious killer
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remains unknown.
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How you settling in, Steve?
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It's like I never left.
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I found only one area
where we're exposed.
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No thorough forensic reviews
of serious crimes.
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Most notably Coastal Path.
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You saw the news.
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Yeah. What's the story?
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The unlikelihood
of finding anything new.
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The distress that would cause
the Dixon family.
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And, if we failed,
the delight the media would take
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in hauling us through the muck.
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A few years back, they branded us
"institutionally incompetent",
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and it stuck.
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Well, it's about time
we did something about that.
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I'd like to take a look at Coastal
Path, see if there's anything there.
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That OK with you?
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You don't need my permission.
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DCI George Jones was SIO on it.
Is he still about?
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Yeah, he is. But, Steve,
go easy on the old bloke.
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Thank you for seeing me, sir.
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A police dog found them.
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Six days
after they were reported missing.
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The maggots gave us
the time of death.
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After he murdered them, the attacker
stole Peter Dixon's wallet
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and wedding ring.
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It's not much of a reason
to end two lives, is it?
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Gwenda Dixon was sexually assaulted
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with her husband lying dead
not six feet away.
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He was a sick, sadistic bastard.
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He didn't need a reason.
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We did the best we could.
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I won't be made a scapegoat.
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That's not why I'm here, sir.
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So, four days after the murders,
a man walked into
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Pembroke Bespoke Jewellers
and sold a 22-carat gold band.
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The band matched the description of
Peter Dixon's stolen wedding ring.
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And the seller of the ring
had signed the receipt J Cooper.
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Now, on the basis of
this information,
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one of your team, a DC Dylan Rees?
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He questioned a John William Cooper
of 28 Rose Meadow Lane, Birchmede.
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Cooper said that the ring
was his own
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and that he sold it
because he needed the cash,
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and then his wife
confirmed the story.
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And then no further action
was taken.
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I'm curious to hear your view
on this.
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I sent a DC to do a DCI's job.
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I should've questioned Cooper
myself, but we...
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we were swamped.
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After the case was closed,
I learnt that Rees
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drank in the same pub as Cooper,
together.
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My view is that Cooper...
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used the fact
they knew each other.
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That Rees...
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was manipulated.
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- Where's Cooper now?
- Dyffryn Prison.
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He was sentenced to 16 years in 1998
for a string of, er...
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...burglaries and robberies.
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The investigation was codenamed
Huntsman.
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They interviewed Cooper,
but didn't get anything.
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16 years in 1998...
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If he's behaved himself,
he'll be up for parole.
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Where it happened
is just below Talbenny church.
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The spot is marked by a plaque.
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The Dixons' son and daughter
leave a wreath every year.
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You found us, then.
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So, you're doing a bit of digging
on John William Cooper?
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I am.
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Let's hope you have better luck
than we did.
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Operation Huntsman.
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This was us.
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There's a few odds and sods
stored elsewhere,
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but most of this was confiscated
from Cooper's home.
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The place was a pigsty.
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You arrested him for a string of
burglaries and robberies,
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but you also questioned him
about the murders at Coastal Path.
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- Why?
- His MO, sir.
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We did him for a robbery that was
a carbon copy of the Coastal Path.
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Robbery, tied-up victim, a shotgun.
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That's why we also questioned him
about Scoveston Park.
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20 years ago, Scoveston Park?
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21 years ago now.
December, '85.
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Theft, arson and double murder.
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- Brother and sister.
- Richard and Helen Thomas.
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The difference was that
the killer resorted to arson
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to cover his tracks.
He started a fire.
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He completely destroyed the place.
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Tough on evidence gathering.
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Yeah.
And even tougher on forensics.
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Did Cooper tell you anything
in the interviews?
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Nothing. When we mentioned
the murders, he just shut down.
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We had to move on.
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With all the lesser offences,
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we found almost every single
stolen item in his home.
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You charge them with
what you can prove.
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- Did you speak to the family?
- We did.
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Yeah, the wife gave us nothing.
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She was more frightened of him
than us.
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The son was useful.
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Yeah, he hated his dad, though.
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He wanted nothing to do with him.
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The reason your Disability
Allowance payment has been delayed
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is because
you changed your first name.
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Yeah, eight years ago,
by statutory declaration.
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I gave you people
a copy of the certificate!
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Look...
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I've had enough of this.
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Can you get a manager on the line,
please?
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I'm not authorised to do that, sir.
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- What's your first name, Mr Cooper?
- Andrew.
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Not Adrian, Andrew.
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Andrew Cooper.
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And...
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don't talk to me
like I'm an idiot.
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- Hold the line, please, sir.
- No, please don't...
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Please continue to
hold. Your call is important to us.
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- Hi, Dad.
- Oh, hello!
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Laundry.
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The machine at the salon's on the
blink and you're closer than Mum's.
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Well...
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...good to know
I'm useful for something.
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Payment.
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"Maximum hold."
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Thank you, love.
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The place is looking nice now.
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Very tidy.
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It'll do, until I find something
a bit more permanent.
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Do you want to stay,
have a bite to eat?
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Sorry.
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Late for the cinema.
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OK, love, enjoy yourself.
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Jack's really chuffed
that you're back.
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Is he?
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Don't try too hard.
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Just give him a bit of time.
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Right, OK.
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I'll pick up the stuff tomorrow.
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Hey...
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When did you become so mature?
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Ages ago.
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I'm a girl.
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John William Cooper.
Do you know him?
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Yeah, I've heard of him.
And Operation Huntsman, obviously.
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What would you say if I told you
his offending kit for the robberies
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was black gloves, balaclava
and shotgun?
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I'd say Nolton Hill Estate.
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The shotgun he used,
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recovered from a robbery gone wrong
in the village of Sardis.
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It was the customised shoulder strap
which got my attention.
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Sawn-off, modified stock.
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Jesus, Steve, is it him?
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Him who?
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What's going on?
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Do you remember Nolton Hill?
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Ten years ago.
A few months before I left.
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A masked man with a shotgun
attacked five teenagers
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near the Nolton Hill Estate.
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One of the girls was raped.
Another sexually assaulted.
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- It was never solved.
- I remember.
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DI Richards and myself
were called in to assist.
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The two boys knew about guns.
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Yeah, they used to do
a bit of rabbiting.
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Their description of the shotgun
that the attacker used
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exactly matched that gun.
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Hang on. Back up a bit, Steve.
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The last I heard,
you were looking at Coastal Path.
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I was.
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I am.
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And that led me to this.
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I'll ask you again, John,
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regarding the murders
of Peter and Gwenda Dixon
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on the morning
of Thursday 29th June, 1989,
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were you the person responsible?
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I am not a murderer.
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- Strong accent.
- South Pembrokeshire.
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Watch this...
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John, what about Scoveston Park?
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We have witnesses who say that
you knew Richard and Helen Thomas.
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My client is exercising
his right to silence.
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00:17:59,285 --> 00:18:02,018
John...
Come on, John, don't be like that.
256
00:18:03,485 --> 00:18:04,525
John.
257
00:18:04,565 --> 00:18:05,684
John!
258
00:18:06,805 --> 00:18:08,285
Steve...
259
00:18:08,325 --> 00:18:11,004
ever since Huntsman,
gossip has put Cooper in the frame
260
00:18:11,005 --> 00:18:13,443
- for 101 offences.
- I'm talking about just three.
261
00:18:13,444 --> 00:18:17,124
Coastal Path, Scoveston Park,
Nolton Hill.
262
00:18:19,525 --> 00:18:21,644
I think he did them all.
263
00:18:54,525 --> 00:18:56,404
Not now, Jack.
264
00:19:02,525 --> 00:19:03,805
Here they come.
265
00:19:06,565 --> 00:19:09,204
How did Operation Huntsman
miss all this?
266
00:19:09,205 --> 00:19:10,403
They didn't, ma'am.
267
00:19:10,404 --> 00:19:12,603
They questioned Cooper
on all three cases
268
00:19:12,604 --> 00:19:14,404
and he just stayed mute.
269
00:19:14,444 --> 00:19:18,092
Plus, as I touched on earlier,
there was no hard evidence.
270
00:19:18,965 --> 00:19:20,843
Where's your hard evidence, Steve?
271
00:19:20,844 --> 00:19:23,604
It's waiting for us to find, ma'am.
272
00:19:23,644 --> 00:19:26,244
Thanks to Huntsman
and the original investigations,
273
00:19:26,245 --> 00:19:29,565
we have access to over 3,000
exhibits in storage.
274
00:19:29,604 --> 00:19:33,284
That's a potential treasure trove
of victim and perpetrator DNA.
275
00:19:33,285 --> 00:19:34,683
At the time of Huntsman,
276
00:19:34,684 --> 00:19:37,244
the science wasn't up to scratch
on age-degraded trace DNA.
277
00:19:37,245 --> 00:19:40,381
But as we know,
things have come a long way since.
278
00:19:41,045 --> 00:19:42,804
Say you get enough to charge him.
279
00:19:42,805 --> 00:19:46,484
Charging a man with the murders
of four adults is clear, simple.
280
00:19:46,485 --> 00:19:49,884
But you add five minors, rape,
sexual assault,
281
00:19:49,924 --> 00:19:51,964
the Crown's case could seem muddled.
282
00:19:51,965 --> 00:19:54,285
The CPS won't like that.
283
00:19:54,325 --> 00:19:57,524
Perhaps it would be wiser to confine
the review to the two murders.
284
00:19:57,525 --> 00:20:01,725
With respect, ma'am, I interviewed
the five victims as a WDC.
285
00:20:01,765 --> 00:20:04,765
And it made quite an impression
on me.
286
00:20:04,805 --> 00:20:07,244
So much so, I've kept tabs on them
over the years.
287
00:20:07,245 --> 00:20:09,603
Now, some are doing better
than others, but...
288
00:20:09,604 --> 00:20:12,285
all of them have been
scarred for life.
289
00:20:12,325 --> 00:20:14,683
They had their childhood
stolen from them that night.
290
00:20:14,684 --> 00:20:17,684
They deserve another chance
at justice.
291
00:20:17,725 --> 00:20:20,004
As do all the victims
and their families.
292
00:20:20,005 --> 00:20:22,044
All I'm saying is,
if you try to prove too much,
293
00:20:22,045 --> 00:20:24,205
you could lose everything.
294
00:20:24,245 --> 00:20:28,524
The killings at Scoveston Park and
Coastal Path are like two bricks.
295
00:20:28,525 --> 00:20:32,123
And the attacks on the kids is
the mortar that holds them together.
296
00:20:32,124 --> 00:20:34,644
It has elements of both cases.
297
00:20:34,684 --> 00:20:36,565
And, ma'am, erm...
298
00:20:36,604 --> 00:20:38,083
what are the odds that offences,
299
00:20:38,084 --> 00:20:41,124
which share so much similar
fact evidence,
300
00:20:41,164 --> 00:20:44,812
in such a small area,
were committed by more than one man?
301
00:20:47,765 --> 00:20:51,204
You know, if we reinvestigate
and it doesn't go our way,
302
00:20:51,205 --> 00:20:55,565
the media, the public, the families,
they'll crucify us.
303
00:20:55,604 --> 00:20:58,612
And if we don't go ahead,
it could be far worse.
304
00:20:58,884 --> 00:21:00,244
We've put a call into MAPPA.
305
00:21:00,245 --> 00:21:02,564
A date's been set
for his parole hearing.
306
00:21:02,565 --> 00:21:04,284
He could be out in three months.
307
00:21:04,285 --> 00:21:06,404
If he did do these murders,
308
00:21:06,444 --> 00:21:08,911
he is, by definition,
a serial killer.
309
00:21:09,725 --> 00:21:13,444
And given the opportunity,
men like him...
310
00:21:13,485 --> 00:21:15,165
they always kill again.
311
00:21:28,404 --> 00:21:29,805
Next.
312
00:21:54,325 --> 00:21:57,644
The next time you visit,
make an effort, will you?
313
00:21:59,725 --> 00:22:02,124
You look like an old woman.
314
00:22:02,164 --> 00:22:03,965
Adrian's back.
315
00:22:04,005 --> 00:22:05,205
What?
316
00:22:05,245 --> 00:22:07,083
I saw Shirley from Birchmede.
317
00:22:07,084 --> 00:22:09,964
Her daughter's a receptionist
in the hospital.
318
00:22:09,965 --> 00:22:12,363
Apparently,
he was walking with a stick.
319
00:22:12,364 --> 00:22:13,684
A stick?
320
00:22:13,725 --> 00:22:16,284
- Well, that's gotta be a scam.
- Well, that's what she said.
321
00:22:16,285 --> 00:22:18,284
Anyway, Adrian wasn't like that.
322
00:22:18,285 --> 00:22:19,644
He was a worker.
323
00:22:19,684 --> 00:22:21,564
What, you're defending him now,
are you, hm?
324
00:22:21,565 --> 00:22:23,844
He's dead to us.
325
00:22:38,404 --> 00:22:41,005
Sorry, Andrew. Did I hurt you?
326
00:22:41,045 --> 00:22:42,805
It wasn't you.
327
00:22:43,965 --> 00:22:46,564
It's all right, just relax,
I've got you.
328
00:23:18,045 --> 00:23:20,164
28 Rose Meadow Lane.
329
00:23:20,205 --> 00:23:22,872
Cooper's last home
before he went inside.
330
00:23:23,884 --> 00:23:26,163
Walk in any direction
from this point
331
00:23:26,164 --> 00:23:29,484
and you'll hit a home he targeted
between '83 and '96.
332
00:23:29,485 --> 00:23:31,163
It's the hub of the wheel.
333
00:23:31,164 --> 00:23:32,844
In this tiny area,
334
00:23:32,884 --> 00:23:36,364
34 burglaries and robberies,
one rape of a minor,
335
00:23:36,404 --> 00:23:38,671
one indecent assault of a minor...
336
00:23:39,245 --> 00:23:40,765
...and two murders.
337
00:23:43,285 --> 00:23:44,885
If walls could talk.
338
00:23:52,005 --> 00:23:53,725
Been back since?
339
00:23:53,765 --> 00:23:56,565
A few times to see how the kids
were doing.
340
00:24:01,604 --> 00:24:05,004
So, I was thinking a start-up team
of six, including us,
341
00:24:05,005 --> 00:24:06,284
cherry-picked from division.
342
00:24:06,285 --> 00:24:09,045
That way, we can keep things covert
343
00:24:09,084 --> 00:24:10,683
and it should be easier
on our budget.
344
00:24:10,684 --> 00:24:12,444
Mm, sounds like a plan.
345
00:24:13,765 --> 00:24:16,044
I really appreciate you bringing me
in on this, Steve.
346
00:24:16,045 --> 00:24:18,565
Your reputation brought you in.
347
00:24:18,604 --> 00:24:21,045
WDC to DI in ten years.
348
00:24:21,084 --> 00:24:23,084
Says Mr DS to Superintendent.
349
00:24:23,124 --> 00:24:24,565
London.
350
00:24:24,604 --> 00:24:26,404
The worst years of my life.
351
00:24:29,604 --> 00:24:32,868
Yeah, I was sorry to hear about
you and your missus.
352
00:24:33,124 --> 00:24:34,805
It is what it is.
353
00:24:51,644 --> 00:24:54,716
They were so close to home
when he attacked them.
354
00:24:55,565 --> 00:24:57,444
It looks so bloody ordinary.
355
00:25:01,965 --> 00:25:04,084
To Operation Ottawa.
356
00:25:07,525 --> 00:25:09,125
To Operation Ottawa.
357
00:26:11,410 --> 00:26:12,610
It's all right.
358
00:26:13,849 --> 00:26:15,809
This is home.
359
00:26:15,849 --> 00:26:17,729
The first rule of Operation Ottawa
360
00:26:17,730 --> 00:26:20,449
is you do not talk about
Operation Ottawa.
361
00:26:20,450 --> 00:26:22,649
The second rule of Operation Ottawa
is...?
362
00:26:22,650 --> 00:26:25,183
You do not talk about
Operation Ottawa.
363
00:26:25,450 --> 00:26:27,730
It's from Fight Club.
It's a film.
364
00:26:27,769 --> 00:26:30,609
Thank you, Barry Norman.
365
00:26:30,650 --> 00:26:35,009
We don't say a word to friends,
colleagues or family.
366
00:26:35,049 --> 00:26:37,529
Yeah, they'll get narky with us,
but it's the way it has to be.
367
00:26:37,530 --> 00:26:40,568
We don't want Cooper, or the media,
seeing us coming.
368
00:26:40,569 --> 00:26:42,049
Boss...
369
00:26:42,089 --> 00:26:44,809
Cold cases are 99% forensics.
370
00:26:44,849 --> 00:26:47,182
So, we need to do everything we can
371
00:26:47,210 --> 00:26:51,410
to help the scientists
find that DNA golden nugget,
372
00:26:51,450 --> 00:26:56,170
the DNA hit that unites culprit and
victim in the same time and place.
373
00:26:56,210 --> 00:26:57,449
Now, our forensics
374
00:26:57,450 --> 00:27:00,528
mustn't be tainted by any of
the work that's gone before.
375
00:27:00,529 --> 00:27:04,008
Previous investigations
had all their testing done in-house
376
00:27:04,009 --> 00:27:05,929
by the Forensic Science Service.
377
00:27:05,930 --> 00:27:08,089
But the science has moved on.
378
00:27:08,130 --> 00:27:10,368
We need a fresh pair of eyes
on this.
379
00:27:10,369 --> 00:27:11,490
Angela Gallop.
380
00:27:13,130 --> 00:27:14,689
She has been involved in
381
00:27:14,690 --> 00:27:16,929
some of the highest profile cases
of the last ten years.
382
00:27:16,930 --> 00:27:20,930
Lynette White, Stephen Lawrence,
Damilola Taylor.
383
00:27:20,970 --> 00:27:23,169
Dr Gallop and her team
are the best in the business.
384
00:27:23,170 --> 00:27:25,049
But they can only find
what they're looking for
385
00:27:25,050 --> 00:27:27,529
if they look in the right place.
And that's where we come in.
386
00:27:27,530 --> 00:27:29,409
We need to identify which items
of evidence
387
00:27:29,410 --> 00:27:33,849
are most likely to carry Cooper
and/or victim DNA in whatever form.
388
00:27:33,890 --> 00:27:36,450
Skin, hair, saliva, semen, blood.
389
00:27:36,490 --> 00:27:38,288
Now, in an ideal world,
there'd be no limit
390
00:27:38,289 --> 00:27:40,489
to the amount of exhibits
we could send for analysis.
391
00:27:40,490 --> 00:27:41,970
But...
392
00:27:42,009 --> 00:27:43,489
forensic work is not cheap.
393
00:27:43,490 --> 00:27:46,289
And our budget is finite.
394
00:27:46,329 --> 00:27:48,690
In short, whatever we send
395
00:27:48,730 --> 00:27:51,463
needs to be chosen
very fucking carefully.
396
00:27:56,569 --> 00:27:58,088
Our first case tonight
397
00:27:58,089 --> 00:28:00,729
is an extraordinary double murder
in South Wales.
398
00:28:00,730 --> 00:28:03,210
On the evening of 22nd December,
1985,
399
00:28:03,250 --> 00:28:05,848
Richard Thomas
and his sister, Helen Thomas,
400
00:28:05,849 --> 00:28:07,649
were attacked in their home
401
00:28:07,650 --> 00:28:09,649
at Scoveston Park,
three miles outside Milford.
402
00:28:09,650 --> 00:28:11,449
She was shot,
probably in her bedroom.
403
00:28:11,450 --> 00:28:13,489
And it was in that room
at about ten o'clock
404
00:28:13,490 --> 00:28:15,169
that the fire was started.
405
00:28:15,170 --> 00:28:18,848
Richard Thomas died of shotgun
wounds to the stomach and the head.
406
00:28:18,849 --> 00:28:23,250
Emergency services were called
at 1:15am on 23rd of December.
407
00:28:23,289 --> 00:28:26,328
Scene of Crime Officers entered
the property the following morning
408
00:28:26,329 --> 00:28:27,848
and found Helen Thomas' body
on a bed.
409
00:28:27,849 --> 00:28:29,649
It's believed
she was sexually assaulted.
410
00:28:29,650 --> 00:28:32,130
On the morning of June 29th, 1989,
411
00:28:32,170 --> 00:28:36,769
Peter and Gwenda Dixon were murdered
on the Pembrokeshire Coastal Path
412
00:28:36,809 --> 00:28:38,088
near Little Haven.
413
00:28:38,089 --> 00:28:41,129
The couple from Oxford
decided to take a short walk
414
00:28:41,130 --> 00:28:43,328
while they waited for their tent
to dry.
415
00:28:43,329 --> 00:28:46,489
Their bodies were found six days
later on the cliffs at Little Haven.
416
00:28:46,490 --> 00:28:50,009
Now, one of Wales
most spectacular beauty spots...
417
00:28:50,049 --> 00:28:55,529
Between 7:45pm and 8:45pm
on Wednesday 6th March, 1996,
418
00:28:55,569 --> 00:29:00,529
five children, aged between 15
and 16, were attacked in a field
419
00:29:00,569 --> 00:29:01,929
next to the Norton Hill Estate.
420
00:29:01,930 --> 00:29:04,890
On the evening of November 22nd,
1996,
421
00:29:04,930 --> 00:29:08,849
a bungalow in Sardis,
six miles from Milford, was burgled.
422
00:29:08,890 --> 00:29:12,609
The victim was confronted
by a man in a balaclava.
423
00:29:12,650 --> 00:29:14,169
They were approached
by a masked man.
424
00:29:14,170 --> 00:29:16,449
The children were threatened,
told to lie on the ground.
425
00:29:16,450 --> 00:29:19,449
One of the girls was raped,
another indecently assaulted.
426
00:29:19,450 --> 00:29:23,008
The victim managed to press a panic
alarm, causing the offender to flee,
427
00:29:23,009 --> 00:29:24,929
depositing personal items as he ran.
428
00:29:24,930 --> 00:29:29,369
These included stolen jewellery,
items of clothing, a balaclava,
429
00:29:29,410 --> 00:29:33,009
some black gloves
and his double-barrel shotgun.
430
00:29:33,049 --> 00:29:35,249
One of the boys was struck
in the head
431
00:29:35,250 --> 00:29:37,489
with a sawn-off
double-barrel shotgun.
432
00:29:37,490 --> 00:29:41,690
Then husband and wife
were shot at point-blank range.
433
00:29:41,730 --> 00:29:45,288
Forensic evidence suggests
Gwenda Dixon was sexually assaulted
434
00:29:45,289 --> 00:29:47,009
at this location here.
435
00:29:47,049 --> 00:29:49,729
Most of the evidence
was destroyed in the fire.
436
00:29:49,730 --> 00:29:52,729
They did manage to retrieve
a sock belonging to Mr Thomas
437
00:29:52,730 --> 00:29:54,729
and a few other items,
but that's it.
438
00:29:54,730 --> 00:29:57,930
- No DNA would have survived a fire like that.
- No.
439
00:29:57,970 --> 00:30:00,328
Just save our money for items
more likely to yield a hit.
440
00:30:00,329 --> 00:30:02,062
Coastal Path, Nolton Hill.
441
00:30:02,089 --> 00:30:03,289
Agreed.
442
00:30:03,329 --> 00:30:05,689
But we still need to recover
any Scoveston Park exhibits
443
00:30:05,690 --> 00:30:08,157
that would support
our take on his MO.
444
00:30:09,089 --> 00:30:10,329
Exactly.
445
00:30:10,369 --> 00:30:11,608
Tied-up victims.
446
00:30:11,609 --> 00:30:14,088
The rope used to bind
Helen Thomas' hands.
447
00:30:14,089 --> 00:30:16,690
Helen Thomas' bra was torn.
448
00:30:16,730 --> 00:30:18,569
That's sexual assault.
449
00:30:36,769 --> 00:30:37,890
MTJ/29.
450
00:30:37,930 --> 00:30:39,890
- Er, clothing.
- Yeah.
451
00:30:40,930 --> 00:30:42,690
CJE/2.
452
00:30:42,730 --> 00:30:44,008
Nolton Hill rainbow T-shirt.
453
00:30:44,009 --> 00:30:45,608
Give me ten patch tests
454
00:30:45,609 --> 00:30:48,048
on that, corresponding with
the victim's bruising.
455
00:30:48,049 --> 00:30:49,130
Yeah.
456
00:30:49,170 --> 00:30:51,329
- CJE/16.
- Coastal Path rope.
457
00:30:51,369 --> 00:30:53,130
Despite a massive search
458
00:30:53,170 --> 00:30:55,368
for a suspect seen using
the Dixons' cash card...
459
00:30:55,369 --> 00:30:57,889
Peter Dixon's bank card
was used to withdraw cash
460
00:30:57,890 --> 00:31:00,289
from NatWest cashpoint machines
461
00:31:00,329 --> 00:31:03,450
at Pembroke, Haverfordwest
and Carmarthen.
462
00:31:03,490 --> 00:31:05,008
A man wearing shorts
463
00:31:05,009 --> 00:31:07,729
was seen by a member of the public
making one of these withdrawals.
464
00:31:07,730 --> 00:31:11,490
From this siting, police made
this artist's impression.
465
00:31:17,450 --> 00:31:21,650
Exhibit reference number MTJ/14,
black balaclava.
466
00:31:21,690 --> 00:31:24,650
Exhibit reference PH/2,
double-barrel shotgun.
467
00:31:25,890 --> 00:31:27,890
- The Sardis gun, yeah?
- Yeah.
468
00:31:28,450 --> 00:31:31,409
12 patches tested.
Six on the barrel, six on the stock.
469
00:31:31,410 --> 00:31:36,089
In total, officers recovered 66
items in a fairly straight line
470
00:31:36,130 --> 00:31:40,930
from the bungalow in Sardis
to 28 Rose Meadow Lane.
471
00:31:42,490 --> 00:31:44,970
The home of John William Cooper.
472
00:32:01,130 --> 00:32:02,130
Dad?
473
00:32:03,210 --> 00:32:04,369
Hiya, Jack!
474
00:32:06,089 --> 00:32:09,730
- Have I come at a bad time?
- No, no, of course not.
475
00:32:09,769 --> 00:32:10,849
Well...
476
00:32:10,890 --> 00:32:12,890
let the male bonding commence.
477
00:32:14,089 --> 00:32:16,288
Does your mother know you're here?
478
00:32:16,289 --> 00:32:19,709
Yeah. You don't need to check, Dad,
she knows.
479
00:32:19,711 --> 00:32:22,265
You two haven't had a fight,
by any chance?
480
00:32:22,266 --> 00:32:24,289
Nothing major.
481
00:32:24,329 --> 00:32:25,690
All right.
482
00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:26,730
OK.
483
00:32:28,210 --> 00:32:30,943
Well, you know where it is.
Go and unpack.
484
00:32:47,170 --> 00:32:49,369
- Morning.
- Yeah, Steve.
485
00:32:49,410 --> 00:32:51,410
You need to re-route to HQ.
486
00:32:51,450 --> 00:32:53,690
We've got a fly in the ointment.
487
00:33:06,529 --> 00:33:07,970
Morning.
488
00:33:08,009 --> 00:33:09,649
Jonathan Hill for Steve Wilkins.
489
00:33:09,650 --> 00:33:11,517
- Just a moment.
- Thank you.
490
00:33:25,490 --> 00:33:26,930
Mr Hill.
491
00:33:26,970 --> 00:33:30,682
Detective Superintendent
Steve Wilkins, Deputy Head of CID.
492
00:33:31,490 --> 00:33:33,489
Comms referred your query to me.
493
00:33:33,490 --> 00:33:35,409
I understand
you want to make a programme
494
00:33:35,410 --> 00:33:37,477
about the Coastal Path murders.
495
00:33:38,170 --> 00:33:41,288
Erm, actually,
it's a bit more specific than that.
496
00:33:41,289 --> 00:33:43,008
Erm, I would like
to make a documentary
497
00:33:43,009 --> 00:33:45,930
exploring the possibility that...
498
00:33:45,970 --> 00:33:47,729
the double murders at Coastal Path
499
00:33:47,730 --> 00:33:51,122
might be linked to the ones
at Scoveston Park in 1985.
500
00:33:51,809 --> 00:33:53,876
That would be a problem for us.
501
00:33:54,809 --> 00:33:56,329
How do you mean?
502
00:33:56,369 --> 00:34:00,081
Mr Hill, what I'm about to tell you
cannot leave this room.
503
00:34:02,049 --> 00:34:06,529
I'm not in the habit of agreeing to
things before I know what they are.
504
00:34:06,690 --> 00:34:09,409
We are re-investigating
the two offences.
505
00:34:12,289 --> 00:34:14,768
Right, and how would
a documentary about the murders
506
00:34:14,769 --> 00:34:16,209
interfere with that?
507
00:34:16,210 --> 00:34:19,609
The killer, or killers,
think they've got away with murder.
508
00:34:19,610 --> 00:34:21,968
A news piece would rattle them,
make them vigilant.
509
00:34:21,969 --> 00:34:25,873
And that would be weeks of
covert police work down the toilet.
510
00:34:26,369 --> 00:34:27,690
So...
511
00:34:27,730 --> 00:34:29,409
I'll tell you what.
512
00:34:29,449 --> 00:34:31,649
If you agree to shelve
your proposed documentary,
513
00:34:31,650 --> 00:34:33,929
maintain a news blackout,
514
00:34:33,969 --> 00:34:36,170
when we're ready to go public,
515
00:34:36,210 --> 00:34:39,077
I will see to it that
you get the exclusive.
516
00:34:43,329 --> 00:34:44,530
OK.
517
00:34:45,650 --> 00:34:46,930
OK, it's a deal.
518
00:34:49,849 --> 00:34:51,488
I want Dyfed Powys Police
519
00:34:51,489 --> 00:34:55,090
and the media to stop fighting
and start collaborating.
520
00:34:55,130 --> 00:34:56,610
But...
521
00:34:56,650 --> 00:34:58,769
if you fuck me on this,
522
00:34:58,809 --> 00:35:03,010
I will see to it that every officer
from CID to peach-fuzz PC
523
00:35:03,050 --> 00:35:06,314
knows that Jonathan Hill
is not a man to be trusted.
524
00:35:13,329 --> 00:35:14,530
Boss...
525
00:35:17,849 --> 00:35:19,650
What the fuck are those?
526
00:35:19,690 --> 00:35:21,448
Professional portrait photos.
527
00:35:21,449 --> 00:35:23,570
They had them done in 1978
528
00:35:23,610 --> 00:35:26,682
after he won all that money
on the Spot The Ball.
529
00:35:29,010 --> 00:35:30,368
Those teeth don't look real.
530
00:35:30,369 --> 00:35:33,209
They're the only two photographs
Huntsman found in the whole house.
531
00:35:33,210 --> 00:35:35,408
I've done a lot of evidence recovery
in my time.
532
00:35:35,409 --> 00:35:37,009
Two photos in a family home?
533
00:35:37,010 --> 00:35:38,849
- It's not right.
- Mm.
534
00:35:38,889 --> 00:35:42,537
- Together, but apart.
- And their son nowhere to be seen.
535
00:35:59,769 --> 00:36:02,530
You've been the model prisoner,
Mr Cooper.
536
00:36:02,570 --> 00:36:04,768
How confident are you
that you can maintain
537
00:36:04,769 --> 00:36:08,250
this change for the better
in the outside world?
538
00:36:08,289 --> 00:36:10,050
100%, your honour.
539
00:36:10,090 --> 00:36:13,730
One of the offences
involved violence towards a woman.
540
00:36:13,769 --> 00:36:15,889
What can you say to reassure us
541
00:36:15,929 --> 00:36:19,249
that you no longer pose a threat to
the female members of the community?
542
00:36:19,250 --> 00:36:21,383
I'm not the same man that I was.
543
00:36:21,409 --> 00:36:23,876
The love and the loyalty
of my wife...
544
00:36:25,449 --> 00:36:27,250
...has helped me with that.
545
00:36:27,289 --> 00:36:29,689
Your wife has been
a regular visitor.
546
00:36:30,730 --> 00:36:34,010
But your son, Adrian,
hasn't visited you once.
547
00:36:35,969 --> 00:36:38,609
I haven't been the best father,
I'll admit that.
548
00:36:38,610 --> 00:36:42,258
Although, I do plan to
make it up to him, if he'll let me.
549
00:36:42,409 --> 00:36:44,809
I'm 62,
Adrian is nearly 40,
550
00:36:44,849 --> 00:36:46,010
so...
551
00:36:47,610 --> 00:36:51,066
Craig says that a man
is never too old to want his dad.
552
00:36:53,449 --> 00:36:55,449
AGJ/28.
553
00:36:55,489 --> 00:36:57,889
"AGJ/28"...
554
00:36:59,650 --> 00:37:02,369
- That's rejected.
- Negative for DNA.
555
00:37:02,409 --> 00:37:04,329
AGJ/39.
556
00:37:04,369 --> 00:37:06,010
"AGJ/39"...
557
00:37:08,530 --> 00:37:10,808
- That's rejected, too.
- Negative for DNA.
558
00:37:10,809 --> 00:37:14,209
Is it just me, or is this beginning
to look a bit bloody hopeless?
559
00:37:14,210 --> 00:37:15,849
DC Rowe...
560
00:37:15,889 --> 00:37:17,649
if we can't keep the faith,
561
00:37:17,650 --> 00:37:20,729
we have no right representing
the victims or their families.
562
00:37:20,730 --> 00:37:22,010
Sorry, boss.
563
00:37:22,050 --> 00:37:23,488
- Momentary lapse.
- All right.
564
00:37:23,489 --> 00:37:25,369
Yeah, thanks.
565
00:37:26,690 --> 00:37:28,849
- Boss...
- Yeah?
566
00:37:28,889 --> 00:37:31,010
Cooper's been granted parole.
567
00:37:31,050 --> 00:37:32,969
That was Dyffryn Prison.
568
00:37:33,010 --> 00:37:36,722
They've no idea who they're dealing
with. He's played them.
569
00:37:42,344 --> 00:37:47,905
John Cooper is the prime suspect
in a major crime review.
570
00:37:49,505 --> 00:37:53,704
I am requesting his release
on parole be revoked.
571
00:37:56,144 --> 00:37:58,344
Well, what's the crime?
572
00:37:58,385 --> 00:38:00,784
I can't share that information.
573
00:38:00,824 --> 00:38:04,064
Well, clearly, you don't have
a case, or you'd be charging him.
574
00:38:04,065 --> 00:38:08,465
Cooper is a dangerous man.
That is a matter of public record.
575
00:38:08,505 --> 00:38:10,385
People change.
576
00:38:10,425 --> 00:38:12,064
That's a matter of rehabilitation.
577
00:38:12,065 --> 00:38:16,264
I'm sure your client can be
very agreeable when it suits him.
578
00:38:16,304 --> 00:38:19,584
Your timing is not convenient,
Superintendent Wilkins.
579
00:38:19,585 --> 00:38:23,489
Can you at least give us a date
when you expect to charge him?
580
00:38:24,425 --> 00:38:25,584
Not at present.
581
00:38:25,585 --> 00:38:29,425
But in the meantime,
John's rights can just go hang?
582
00:38:29,465 --> 00:38:31,865
The safety of the public
comes first.
583
00:38:32,744 --> 00:38:34,677
I think we all agree on that.
584
00:38:58,784 --> 00:39:01,317
Although we've got
a stay of execution,
585
00:39:01,344 --> 00:39:04,928
he's guaranteed another
parole hearing within 3-6 months.
586
00:39:04,945 --> 00:39:07,624
If, by then, Dr Gallop and her team
still haven't found
587
00:39:07,625 --> 00:39:10,824
our golden nugget,
he'll be released.
588
00:39:10,864 --> 00:39:13,024
But we're not gonna let that happen.
589
00:39:13,025 --> 00:39:15,664
It's time to send Cooper a message.
590
00:39:19,184 --> 00:39:20,625
Good evening.
591
00:39:20,664 --> 00:39:23,384
Organisers say we're on the eve
of the biggest industrial dispute
592
00:39:23,385 --> 00:39:26,105
since the national strike of 1926.
593
00:39:26,144 --> 00:39:27,584
So, what's it all about,
594
00:39:27,585 --> 00:39:30,385
and how will it affect you
and your family?
595
00:39:35,585 --> 00:39:37,184
- Cheers.
- Cheers.
596
00:39:44,585 --> 00:39:46,223
We think one man
did all four murders
597
00:39:46,224 --> 00:39:48,784
and we need your help to catch him.
598
00:39:48,824 --> 00:39:50,424
I want to make a personal televised
599
00:39:50,425 --> 00:39:52,904
appeal for information
on the evening news.
600
00:39:52,905 --> 00:39:54,703
Do you think you'll get
anything useful?
601
00:39:54,704 --> 00:39:56,824
It's a smokescreen.
602
00:39:56,864 --> 00:39:58,544
We're going to interview
the suspect.
603
00:39:58,545 --> 00:40:01,863
I want to use the appeal
to send a message to him in advance.
604
00:40:01,864 --> 00:40:04,624
Plant something in his brain,
make him good and paranoid.
605
00:40:04,625 --> 00:40:06,863
We're reinvestigating the cases
and we...
606
00:40:06,864 --> 00:40:09,872
are confident we'll catch
the culprit using DNA.
607
00:40:10,744 --> 00:40:12,143
Have you found something?
608
00:40:12,144 --> 00:40:13,704
No.
609
00:40:13,744 --> 00:40:15,384
But he doesn't know that.
610
00:40:15,385 --> 00:40:17,904
And who better than the killer
to help us refine our search?
611
00:40:17,905 --> 00:40:20,344
Handled right, liars have a way of
612
00:40:20,385 --> 00:40:22,918
telling you more
than is good for them.
613
00:40:24,025 --> 00:40:26,223
OK, I'm on board,
but just one thing,
614
00:40:26,224 --> 00:40:28,544
how can you be sure he'll be
watching when you need him to?
615
00:40:28,545 --> 00:40:30,784
He's a creature of habit.
616
00:40:30,824 --> 00:40:35,025
I have it on good authority
that he never misses Wales Tonight.
617
00:40:47,625 --> 00:40:49,025
Ta.
618
00:40:51,425 --> 00:40:53,225
About the news thing, boss.
619
00:40:54,065 --> 00:40:56,823
Are you gonna mention the kids?
Nolton Hill?
620
00:40:56,824 --> 00:40:58,304
Definitely not.
621
00:40:59,545 --> 00:41:01,984
Why upset them
when we don't even know if the CPS
622
00:41:01,985 --> 00:41:04,785
will include the offence
on the indictment?
623
00:41:10,065 --> 00:41:13,713
There is someone who we should
give a heads-up to, though.
624
00:41:44,264 --> 00:41:46,131
- Who is it?
- Andrew Cooper?
625
00:41:47,224 --> 00:41:49,424
- Who wants to know?
- The police.
626
00:41:55,864 --> 00:41:57,184
ID.
627
00:42:01,744 --> 00:42:03,465
Thank you.
628
00:42:05,784 --> 00:42:08,505
You're not an easy man
to track down.
629
00:42:08,545 --> 00:42:11,617
We were looking for
an Adrian, not Andrew Cooper.
630
00:42:12,744 --> 00:42:14,104
I get that a lot.
631
00:42:14,105 --> 00:42:15,624
Why did you change your name?
632
00:42:18,144 --> 00:42:19,784
Why are you here?
633
00:42:20,985 --> 00:42:23,984
We thought we should let you know
that we are...
634
00:42:23,985 --> 00:42:26,303
investigating the possibility
that your father
635
00:42:26,304 --> 00:42:29,624
may have been involved in other,
more serious crimes.
636
00:42:29,625 --> 00:42:31,904
We're going to make a public appeal
for information.
637
00:42:31,905 --> 00:42:35,041
I don't like people referring to him
as my father.
638
00:42:36,945 --> 00:42:38,425
OK, I'm sorry.
639
00:42:38,465 --> 00:42:40,784
What would you prefer?
640
00:42:40,824 --> 00:42:42,105
His name.
641
00:42:44,184 --> 00:42:45,624
What other crimes?
642
00:42:47,105 --> 00:42:48,465
Four murders.
643
00:42:48,505 --> 00:42:50,824
Scoveston Park and Coastal Path.
644
00:42:54,025 --> 00:42:57,417
I'm not getting dragged back
into all that shit again.
645
00:42:57,744 --> 00:43:00,011
I told Huntsman everything I know.
646
00:43:03,344 --> 00:43:04,823
He's got his father's eyes.
647
00:43:04,824 --> 00:43:06,223
Yeah, I clocked that.
648
00:43:06,224 --> 00:43:08,544
Why do you think
he only changed his first name?
649
00:43:08,545 --> 00:43:10,743
If you wanna lie low,
you change your surname.
650
00:43:10,744 --> 00:43:12,743
Maybe it wasn't about lying low.
651
00:43:12,744 --> 00:43:16,712
He changed his name in 1998,
the same year Cooper was put away.
652
00:43:16,744 --> 00:43:18,703
Maybe it was about starting again.
653
00:43:18,704 --> 00:43:20,465
A new name, a new life.
654
00:43:20,505 --> 00:43:22,863
Doesn't look like
that's working out too well for him.
655
00:43:22,864 --> 00:43:26,064
- The poor guy's a wreck.
- And then we come along.
656
00:44:07,144 --> 00:44:09,025
- Are you OK?
- Yeah.
657
00:44:09,065 --> 00:44:10,065
Mm-hm.
658
00:44:11,985 --> 00:44:14,785
It's just you and me
having a conversation.
659
00:44:15,945 --> 00:44:17,105
Yeah.
660
00:44:18,105 --> 00:44:21,113
In front of a few hundred thousand
people, live.
661
00:44:25,824 --> 00:44:28,105
You know, in my first year at uni,
662
00:44:28,144 --> 00:44:31,064
me and some of my mates
went camping near here.
663
00:44:31,065 --> 00:44:34,073
It was July 1989.
It was just after the murders.
664
00:44:35,625 --> 00:44:38,184
We saw all the police activity.
665
00:44:38,224 --> 00:44:39,744
The wanted posters.
666
00:44:40,945 --> 00:44:42,065
It was scary.
667
00:44:43,905 --> 00:44:45,505
Fascinating as well.
668
00:44:47,065 --> 00:44:50,201
It's what made me want to become
a crime reporter.
669
00:44:52,545 --> 00:44:53,824
Good to go?
670
00:44:54,945 --> 00:44:56,625
- Let's do it.
- Yeah.
671
00:45:16,985 --> 00:45:18,944
Good evening.
We are live in Pembrokeshire,
672
00:45:18,945 --> 00:45:21,143
where there have been
dramatic developments
673
00:45:21,144 --> 00:45:23,584
in two of Wales's
most baffling crimes -
674
00:45:23,585 --> 00:45:26,064
the murders of Richard
and Helen Thomas,
675
00:45:26,065 --> 00:45:27,743
and Peter and Gwenda Dixon.
676
00:45:27,744 --> 00:45:29,545
And now, decades on,
677
00:45:29,585 --> 00:45:32,263
these two double murders
are being reinvestigated.
678
00:45:32,264 --> 00:45:34,303
Detective Superintendent
Steve Wilkins
679
00:45:34,304 --> 00:45:37,585
is the man leading
this reinvestigation.
680
00:45:37,625 --> 00:45:40,783
Developments in DNA analysis have
revolutionised cold case reviews.
681
00:45:40,784 --> 00:45:43,223
As a team, we have brought
these processes to bear
682
00:45:43,224 --> 00:45:44,703
on these two investigations
683
00:45:44,704 --> 00:45:47,344
and they have had
a significant impact.
684
00:45:47,385 --> 00:45:50,743
We believe that somebody watching
this programme tonight
685
00:45:50,744 --> 00:45:53,384
may know who is responsible
for these terrible crimes.
686
00:45:53,385 --> 00:45:54,783
And I'm appealing to them,
687
00:45:54,784 --> 00:45:56,984
for the sake of the victims
and their families,
688
00:45:56,985 --> 00:45:58,544
to please come forward.
689
00:45:58,545 --> 00:46:00,743
And do you think
it's the same local man
690
00:46:00,744 --> 00:46:02,464
responsible for all four murders?
691
00:46:02,465 --> 00:46:04,104
I do believe that, Jonathan.
692
00:46:04,105 --> 00:46:06,944
Thanks to the advances
in DNA forensic science,
693
00:46:06,945 --> 00:46:08,504
we are now
in a much stronger position
694
00:46:08,505 --> 00:46:10,638
to catch the person responsible.
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