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[weatherman on radio] Today, south winds,15 knots increasing to 25 knots.
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Sea is nine feet.
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Rain, tonight, south wind, 20 knots.
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Sea is nine feet.
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East winds, 25 knots. Sea is eight feet.
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[Steve] I became a hunterfor the same reason that most hunters do.
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Because my father was a hunter.
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It tends to move along like that,along a line of patrilineal descent.
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My father hunted, and his father hunted.
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My maternal grandfather hunted.
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It was what we did. It's who we were.
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And it's important to mention herethat I was introduced to it
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as an act of love for the natural world.
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I know now that that sounds suspiciousto some people.
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This idea of hunting as a manifestation
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of love for the land and its animals.
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It might reasonably be asked,"Wouldn't it be the opposite?
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Wouldn't it be an act of aggression?"
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I'm open to discussing this with anyonewho cares enough to share their thoughts.
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Though I have no illusions.
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There always be a rift
between hunters and non-hunters.
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[moderator] Questions?
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Steven, don't you think
these animals you've killed
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want to live as much as you or I do?
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In fact, isn't this just a rationalization
for murdering innocent creatures,
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to shoot innocent animals,
animals that have beating hearts,
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that run from you simply because
they want to live?
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They're not armed with copper bullets
or lead bullets.
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I hear... not really asking
a question, you're making a point.
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But I'm going to answer it
like a question.
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[Steve] I would say that if you lookat the grand spectrum
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of species on this planet,
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you'll not find many that...
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that don't prey on other kinds.
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People say generally, behaviorally,and anatomically, modern humans
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have been around for maybe 75,000 years.
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On this continent alone,
people hunted for 15,000 years,
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notwithstanding
the last couple hundred years.
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So, to not hunt is
a fairly new experiment, in a human sense.
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To ask a wolf not to hunt anymore...
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is an impossible question.
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So, if someone comes to me and says
that they don't want human hunting,
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"We don't want to hunt." I'm kind of like,
"Coming from what perspective?"
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That life is sacred.
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Yeah, I... I know that life is sacred.
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I admire the deer.
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But I admire the idea of deermore than the individual deer.
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And I can assure you that I know
more about deer, than you ever will.
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And I've learned that
through hunting for them,
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and I probably care about them
in a way that's deeper
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than something you were
going to experience
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from having a removed perspective on it.
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[Steve] The riftbetween hunters and non-hunters,
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it's been around since biblical times.
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My hope for the future would bethat people who don't hunt...
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would come to recognize huntingas a positive force.
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What tricks people up,in recognizing that,
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is the contradiction
that I return to all the time.
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You love animals, and you kill them.
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[Steve] The South African writer,Laurens van der Post,
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wrote that the San huntersof the Kalahari believed
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that the stars were great hunters.
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And when the stars twinkled,they were sharing hunting stories.
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Whether he was correct
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in his interpretationof their beliefs is not clear.
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But reading that forced meto consider this idea
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that there are as manyhunting stories out there
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as there are stars in the sky.
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Mine, being just one of them,
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that happened to beginwhen I was very young.
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Sometimes I do wonderabout having been introduced to hunting
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much later in lifeand under different circumstances...
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just to seeif I would think of it differently.
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Because I do admit that I inheritedmuch of my perspective.
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I reassess it constantly,
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but the core beliefs were right there,waiting for me at birth.
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My dad hunted deerfrom up in the trees with his bow.
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And my two brothers and Ispent a lot of time with him,
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perched up on these portable platformsthat we call "tree stands."
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Watching anxiously for a deer to comeand pass beneath us.
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It was like we weresome family of cougars,
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waiting in ambush.
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When you turn 12, you were sent offto sit in your own tree.
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And I remember vividlythe fear of the dark
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when it fell on the woods.
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And then, the relief of seeingmy brother's flashlight
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coming through the trees to find me.
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Hunting was a gluethat held our family together.
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And I grew up into a guywho writes about hunting,
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and talks about hunting as an occupation.
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My brothers becameprofessional biologists and ecologists.
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Inspired by hunting to betterunderstand the mechanisms,
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the interconnected cogsand wheels of the natural world.
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There's just not much
thought in it, early on.
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It was just kind of
a foregone conclusion that,
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that was the sort of thing
you would do with Dad,
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uh, when you had free time.
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We grew up hunting and...
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It was just, part of our lifestyle
and we always ate off the land and...
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[Danny] If I was in a position where I hadto defend myself to an anti-hunter,
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the first thing that I would dois make it clear that this is about food.
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That I, when I go on a hunting trip,I'm going out there to bring home
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every usable scrap of meat on that animal,
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cut it up and get it in my freezer,
and spend the next year eating it.
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And, you know, I... I think
that's one commonly held misconception,
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is that, uh, hunters are out there
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to satisfy some bloodlust
that has nothing to do with food.
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The modern American hunter
is a lot of different things.
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I don't think you can make a composite
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and say this is the average or the...
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the, uh... The norm.
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Uh, I think you're just doomed to failure.
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I was born in Buffalo, New York,
but my dad is from Chicago.
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He was an affirmed city boy.
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As I matured as a hunter,
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I was also maturing professionally
as a chef.
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I served all my time in the US military
in the Navy SEAL teams.
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I work for a software development company.
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I currently serve
in the United States Senate, uh...
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on behalf of the residents of New Mexico.
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I was born and raised predominantly
in Adairville, Kentucky,
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uh, next to the Cumberland River.
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I guess it's not the meat, really.
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I mean, if cabbages had legs
and walked around,
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I'd probably hunt them too.
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Ever since I was a kid, I wanted to be,
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you know, the guy
who'd wander around in the woods,
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you know, hunting
and fishing and trapping.
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I had my father up until age seven.
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He passed away.
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I then was raised by my uncles.
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A lot of my uncles were hunters,
so, they taught me quite a bit about it.
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Everybody has their own thing,
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you like to do crochet
and paint your house every day,
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I like to go hunting.
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The average American walking the street
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does not think highly of hunters
and the way that they're characterized.
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This kind of macho image
of glorifying violence.
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Hunters in general have a PR problem.
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A Tampa area man
has some explaining to do
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after he says he mistook his girlfriend
for a wild hog and shot her.
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[man 1] Got him. [chuckles]
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[men laughing]
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[news announcer] In Zimbabwe,Cecil The Lion was as famous as Simba.
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That is untilthis Minnesota dentist came along
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like some modern-day Ernest Hemingway.
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Dr. Walter Palmerpaid $55,000 for a license
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to hunt in Zimbabwe,killing Cecil and skinned for a trophy.
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Some rich asshole
who wants to go to Africa
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and shoot a prized lion
that's got a GPS collar on it,
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that was right next door
to a national refuge.
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Holy shit. It's the worst example
of what hunting is.
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Yeah, I would say the most egregious
method of hunting
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would be a kind of trophy hunting.
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[Doug] I do a certain amountof trophy hunting.
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Sure.
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We have a 400-acre farm.
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It's been in my family for 115 years.
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I spend a few days every yearhunting on the farm.
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Part of the motivation for hunting is...
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...what some folks are going
to call a trophy.
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Mounts on the wall.
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There isn't a set of antlers
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hanging on our wallthat I can't tell you the story of.
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This would have been an acorn when
my great-grandfather bought the place.
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What kind of tree is this one, Steve?
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[Steve] Hickory.
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[Doug] What kind of hickory?
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[Steve] Shagbark.
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[Doug] What kind of tree is this one?
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-[Steve] It's a maple.
-[Doug] What kind of maple?
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-[Steve] Sugar?
-[Doug] Red maple.
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[Doug] As I was growing up,
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you saw something
with an antler on it, you shot it.
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A three-and-a-half or four-year-old buck,
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larger antlers...bigger deer just didn't exist.
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And what did existwas a whole bunch of does.
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Twenty or thirty to one.
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My brother Matthew was the first onewho started talking about
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some of the principles of deer management.
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Matt was... much younger
than the rest of us.
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Matt, of all of us, was the...
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one who was most interested in hunting.
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He got real interested in the idea of,
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"Let the small bucks goso that they can get bigger."
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Eventually it becamethe idea of management
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to mimic what we would expect in nature
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more of a one-to-one balance, doe to buck.
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There's a lot of good reasons
for doing that.
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It was good for the deer.
It was good for the freezer.
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It was good for the trophy management.
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And as we found out over time,
it was also good for our forests,
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and for our crops, to try to control
that herd a little bit more.
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The last year that Matthew hunted,he and I had a real successful hunt.
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Biggest buck I'd seen
up to that point jumped up,
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in a field across the road
from the buildings,
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I was able to shoot the deer.
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Biggest buck I'd shot up to that time.
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And my dad says, "Boy, that's a reallygood buck, Doug, congratulations."
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And Matt says, "Yeah, but that had been
a nice buck next year."
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[Doug] Matthew was a man of few words,unlike the rest of the family.
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And when he said that,it stuck in my head.
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And, when he died a couple months later,
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it took on even more meaning.
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Got a phone call from my father,
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telling me that Matt had been
in a terrible accident,
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and... didn't expect him to live.
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We as a family,
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decided we were going to figure outa management strategy for the farm,
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to honor his legacy
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and our family's legacy.
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And in those years we just,
through our NBNY,
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"Nice Buck Next Year" idea,
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we kept getting bigger and bigger deer.
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That's the tree that we came to see.
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It has since died, seven years ago,
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from Dutch Elm Disease,that they all eventually succumb to.
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Ten years ago, the biggest deerthat's ever been shot on this farm
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and really the biggest deerthat's ever been seen on this farm
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was shot from here.
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We named that deer after I killed it.
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Uh, we called it The StandardBy Which All Others Will Be Judged.
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When I saw this deer,
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it was about 12 years after Matthew died.
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I'm in the stand for ten,
twelve minutes.
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And I hear this... [grunts]
Down in the, on the edge of the swamp.
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Biggest deer I ever saw.
That was the deer.
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I knew instantly when I saw it
that that was the deer.
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He walks up within about25 or 30 yards of that stand
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and I put the crosshairs on his chest
and pulled the trigger.
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It was instantly dead, it absorbed
all the energy of that bullet.
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After I shot it, it was justthis moment of...
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thinking about my brother,
his ideas about, "Let's manage."
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I was overwhelmed by it, quite honestly.
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That's the story of The Standard.
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You want to call it a trophy,
I call it remembrance of a hunt.
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[wind howling]
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[Steve] In the earliest yearsof the 20th century,
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the Arctic explorer,Vilhjalmur Stefansson,
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was still out making initial contactswith groups of Inuit hunters
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in the Canadian high Arctic.
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And he describes these hunters'practice of bringing home
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the heads of bears, in order to placetheir head in their home or lodge
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so that the bear would be able to observethe hunter and his family.
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The thinking being that the bear would,in some mystical afterlife,
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explain to other bears, that if you'regoing to get killed by someone,
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this guy is a good choice.
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Because he's an honorable man.
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Now, I decorate my homewith all kinds of hides and skulls
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from the animalsthat I've hunted and eaten.
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And it does occur to me at times to ask,
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"If they are looking out on me,what do they see?"
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At the end of the 19th century,
there is a pretty influential historian
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by the name of Frederick Jackson Turner.
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Um, and he famously decrees that,
"The frontier is closed."
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In essence, what he meantwas that white settlement
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had expanded across the continent.
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And he was concerned
about what this might hold,
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as were many others,
for the future of the country.
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Many Americans at the turn of the centurybelieved that America's unique character
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stemmed from the process of frontiering,
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stemmed from engagement with wilderness
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and fighting against indigenous peoples,
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and sort of,the conquest of the continent.
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Among a certain subset,
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particularly urban men,
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hunting embodied a certainrugged individualism
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that they associatewith the national character.
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There have also always beensubsistence hunters,
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who hunted for utilitarian reasons,out of necessity.
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But the emergence of the sport hunter
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as an iconic American figure
is something new.
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[male reporter] The victory flashelectrified Times Square,
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keyed to the bursting point
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as the magic wordof complete surrender came through.
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[Randall] The end of World War II
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is a hugely significant moment
in the history of hunting.
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As millions of American menare returning home from tours of duty,
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sport hunting experiencesa surge in popularity.
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They take to the field in record numbers,
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many of them for the first timein their lives.
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As the editor of Outdoor Life put it,
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"You can't expose millions of young mento the joys of living outdoors
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and using firearms,and not make hunters out of them."
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The number of hunters
skyrockets in the 1940s
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from about eight million to 13 million.
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And that means that roughlyone in four American men...
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were hunters.
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[Steve] One of many thingsI love about hunting
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is that it pushes me to go to placesI would otherwise have no business going.
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It melds wanderlust and pragmatism.
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I respect a mountaineerwho goes up a mountain
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and comes down with nothing tangible,
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but I'm drawn to the kind of climbing
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that has you coming back downwith a load of meat on your shoulders.
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In anthropology, there is an ideathat I was both of those things equally.
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A curiosity about what's overthe next hill,
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and a desire to eat it...
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that accounts for our species' stunninglyrapid colonization of the world.
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The first Americans to pass throughBeringia and enter the Western Hemisphere
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started hunting on this continentsome 20,000 years ago.
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Euro-Americans have been hunting itfor 500 years.
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I think of those earliest hunters often.
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Would they be surprised that the subjectof ethics has become so intertwined
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with all of our conversationsaround hunting.
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How could such an ancient,ancestral practice be governed
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by such contemporary notionsabout morality and behavior?
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It's not a small thing to take
an animal's life.
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It's very intense. It's very emotional.
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We're hunting sentient beings,
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who suffer and who are highly complex,
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who have moral status.
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There's something that we have to consider
now that we're more enlightened,
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the burden of morality,
the burden of being ethical.
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[Ron] And when I first see
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the deer that I'm going to shoot,
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my concentration is on getting
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to where I'm going to have
a steady, clear, concise shot,
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so that that animal does not suffer.
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And that's all that's going
through my mind.
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[Joe] It might not work out,
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you might not see the animal,
you might not get close enough,
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you might get winded. You might even miss.
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But, did you do your best to make sure
that none of those things happened?
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And if you don't, you feel terrible.
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[Jones] The fact thathunters themselves acknowledge
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that there should be a sportsmanlike way
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to dispatch, say a deer,
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that speaks to the fact that they believe
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that there is a moral and ethical
aspect dimension to that act.
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Animal ethics, in a nutshell,
is to have more people recognize
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that you're dealing with moral beings,
not just objects.
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Human beings were always thought to be...
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superior, not only intellectually
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and physiologically in certain ways,but morally.
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This is a view knownas "human exceptionalism."
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And that claim starts to be challenged.
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The question in animal ethics, it's,what makes all human beings
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morally superiorto every animal on the planet?
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Why is it this way,and should it be that way?
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And that's a tough question to answer.
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[Doug] The actual killing of an animal,
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the finality of it is... hard to describe.
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But you've done something
that you can't undo.
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[Steve] What does go onbetween a hunter and his prey?
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[imitating deer call]
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The biologist E. O. Wilsonpopularized the term "biophilia."
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The idea that humans havean innate desire to connect with nature
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and other forms of life.
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Hunting can bring aboutan extreme form of that,
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let's say "bio obsession,"
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where the continued study and pursuitof animals brings about in the hunter
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feelings of deep admiration,
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a desire to emulate,
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and, yeah, something akin to lovefor the animals that they hunt.
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When else do you sit down with your...
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pair of binoculars
glued to your face and just look
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at the landscape,
and look at animals for hours at a time?
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It kind of forces you to learn so much.
I've never learned so much
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about a single species of animal as I did
when I started hunting white-tail.
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Judging bears, you know what to look for,
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the size of their head, you know, the size
of their ears compared to their body.
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Sources of food that I've seen
the squirrels eat,
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uh, of course,
we've got the hickory nuts in our areas,
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uh, all the acorns.
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If you're going to become
a successful hunter,
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you have to learn everything
about that animal.
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Let's call it
the psychology of a... a deer.
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Beech trees, you know,
they love hitting those things.
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Watching animals interact with each other,
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watching animals interact
with the landscape.
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Dogwood berries. They like eating those.
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You understand them, then you understand
where they're gonna be at certain times.
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I've never seen anything eat a gumball.
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This deer call here...
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used to be my favorite one.
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And it would call in bucks...
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uh, at a pretty good rate.
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I mean, they'll come charging in,
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usually with a full erection.
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And, uh, they're there for one thing.
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[deer call whistling]
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[imitating deer scream]
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[imitating deer grunts]
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[deer call whistling]
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Nope, it's not there.
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[imitating deer grunt]
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[high-pitched deer call]
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[dog barks]
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That one does it, but that there
is a little bit too high-pitched one.
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[Rorke Denver] That interplaybetween loving the game
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you're pursuing, and killingthe game you're pursuing
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and taking that life,I feel lucky to wrestle with those issues.
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I mean, I think, uh,
there isn't a single animal
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I'm gonna go after that I don't
have tremendous respect and love for
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and really enjoy looking at as much
as I want to go hunt.
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It's, uh... I think it is a connectionto the natural world
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that very few people get.
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I mean, I actually thinkbeing a hunter falls much more in line
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with the way we developed,
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you know, genetically, culturally,
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than not being a hunter.
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I mean, if our forefathers weren't
probably, you know, whacking a critter
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with a rock and a stone and figured out
a way to cook it and eat it,
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we're probably not sitting here.
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So I... I think there's a very primal part
of hunting that seems 100% natural to me.
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[Jones] Some people would say,"Well, if it's natural,
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that's a justification enough
that we should do it."
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So the "should" just comes
from the fact that it's natural.
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Look, I'm a vegan, but I can't say
that there aren't times
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when I think bacon smells really good,
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and I smell it, I'm like, "Damn,
I could go for some of that bacon."
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Now, I'm denying myself. You could say,
"You're not doing what's natural."
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But I could say, I know
I'm not doing what's "natural,"
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but that's because I'm a moral being,
and that's what moral beings do.
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We don't always follow throughon our instincts.
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That's what makes you moral.
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[Steve] Could it be truethat our canine teeth
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and our forward-facing predator eyesare really just relics?
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Just vestigial traits?
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Like our wisdom teeth and tail bones.
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If so, the transition feels incomplete.
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At least inside of me,and inside of many others.
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There's a psychological pieceto being in the woods, pursuing my food.
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Civilization does us the favorof removing us
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from so many unpleasantand unsightly processes.
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All of the tasks of life.
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It allows us to lead cleaner,more sterile,
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more sedentary lives of our choosing.
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But we do carry the physicalspecialized tools of hunters.
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We're built for it.
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That might make you uncomfortableto think about,
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but it warrants being reckoned with.
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[Matt] Hunting colors everything I am.
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I wouldn't live in the middle of nowhere
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with a corgi and pack lamas if I...
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If I didn't hunt.
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[bleats]
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I started getting some sciaticnerve pain in my left leg.
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When I found out that the sciatic nerve
pain was an extension of back problems,
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I knew immediately that it was
from carrying heavy packs of meat.
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So I just knew then that,
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if I was gonna keep doing the thing
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that I loved for decades to come,
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I was going to have to dosomething differently.
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So I started getting pack llamas.
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So I could keep hunting,and they would carry my stuff.
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Trying to desensitize her head...
His head a little bit.
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Both these guys' heads a little bit.
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Good boy. Good boy.
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So with this training,desensitization is a big part of it.
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The way you're trying
to get them to do what you want
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is every time they do what you want...
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Like he's standing still right now,
he's not running away,
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which, the first few times I did this,
that would make him run away.
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They do not like to have
their feet handled.
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So then, you reward them by walking away.
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You take the pressure off of them.
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Like this, this is just from a few
training sessions that I can do this.
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They're very protective of their feet.
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[chuckles] Go on, buddy.
Give him a kick on the butt.
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God, these are nothing like your old ones.
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Oh, this guy's way better
than the old ones.
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-[Steve] Oh, is he?
-Not Haigee,
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but he's way better than Timee.
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It's just what... Steve, you wouldn't
believe this guy on the trail.
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He's fantastic,
it's just around the barnyard.
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I... I have a very deep love
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for the places that I hunt,
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and... it sometimes gets
mixed up with fear.
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I mean, some of these places
are way back in there,
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and they're kind of spooky!
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I spend a lotof my bow-hunting time alone,
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which is often not fun.
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It can be boring and grueling.
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But it requires a level of dedication.
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For me, personally, when I get
an elk with my bow,
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that's a major accomplishment,
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and I'm going to probably not remember
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the squirrels I shot two years from now,
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but I'll remember every single elk
I've ever gotten with my bow.
485
00:34:21,851 --> 00:34:24,270
There's been many hunts
where I've been on,
486
00:34:24,437 --> 00:34:26,898
where I've fought the desire...
487
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:31,444
to go home every hour,
488
00:34:31,527 --> 00:34:33,488
every day, for days,
489
00:34:33,571 --> 00:34:37,075
and then... filled my tag.
490
00:34:37,700 --> 00:34:39,202
In a way, I feel like...
491
00:34:41,162 --> 00:34:44,040
I'm stuck being a hunter.
I don't have any choice.
492
00:34:44,123 --> 00:34:45,708
I can't... I can't help it.
493
00:34:45,792 --> 00:34:48,878
I have to, uh, hunt,
494
00:34:48,961 --> 00:34:50,797
that's just what I do. That's what my...
495
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,590
That's what preoccupies my thoughts,
496
00:34:52,673 --> 00:34:54,926
that's what I-- How I spend my spare time.
497
00:34:57,011 --> 00:34:59,889
I'd be powerless to tryto make it go away.
498
00:35:06,729 --> 00:35:09,607
If somebody took issue with me hunting,
499
00:35:09,982 --> 00:35:12,401
my first question to them would be,
500
00:35:12,735 --> 00:35:15,613
"Do you eat meat?"
501
00:35:16,739 --> 00:35:17,698
Um...
502
00:35:18,157 --> 00:35:20,576
Now, let's say that this is, a person that
503
00:35:20,660 --> 00:35:24,038
doesn't like the fact that I hunt,
but they're vegetarian or vegan.
504
00:35:25,915 --> 00:35:29,460
I don't know what to say to them.
I mean... they might have a point.
505
00:35:30,002 --> 00:35:33,339
I do not think that vegans,
including myself,
506
00:35:33,464 --> 00:35:36,342
are outside the web
of killing and suffering.
507
00:35:36,634 --> 00:35:39,345
I do not think that I'm morally superior
because I'm a vegan.
508
00:35:39,595 --> 00:35:42,723
If I eat, you know, a carrot,
509
00:35:42,807 --> 00:35:44,934
there's probably
some sentient field animal
510
00:35:45,017 --> 00:35:47,353
that died in the tilling of the soil,
so...
511
00:35:47,436 --> 00:35:51,649
I have no illusions
about vegans or vegetarians
512
00:35:51,732 --> 00:35:53,818
being morally pure or morally superior.
513
00:35:53,901 --> 00:35:56,362
That's not my brand of veganism.
I want that clear.
514
00:35:56,445 --> 00:35:59,574
What I am saying is that, um,
515
00:35:59,991 --> 00:36:03,786
there seems to be plenty of ways
to deeply, and spiritually,
516
00:36:03,870 --> 00:36:06,831
if you will, commune with nature
that don't involve...
517
00:36:07,832 --> 00:36:10,793
the killing of a complex sentient being.
518
00:36:22,471 --> 00:36:25,766
[Steve] When I was young, I first startedhearing the word, like "environmentalist."
519
00:36:25,850 --> 00:36:27,143
I was kind of intimidated by it,
520
00:36:27,226 --> 00:36:29,103
'cause I just thought
it automatically meant somehow
521
00:36:29,187 --> 00:36:33,316
that you were against the things that
I liked, which is to hunt, fish, and trap.
522
00:36:36,027 --> 00:36:39,280
Then later I learned that,in the hunting world
523
00:36:39,363 --> 00:36:41,199
or in the hunting community,
we have our own word for it,
524
00:36:41,282 --> 00:36:42,700
we just call it "conservationism."
525
00:36:42,825 --> 00:36:45,828
Like, a conservationist is,
is an environmentalist with a gun.
526
00:36:50,416 --> 00:36:55,546
The conservation ethic came to meout of a very selfish desire...
527
00:36:56,631 --> 00:36:59,258
to not lose the things
that mattered a lot to me.
528
00:37:00,426 --> 00:37:02,929
So I'm like, "So what would I need to do,
529
00:37:03,262 --> 00:37:06,307
what is the best step to protectthis landscape where I like to hunt,
530
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:08,226
to protect my hunting grounds,
531
00:37:08,351 --> 00:37:10,144
so that I can continue to enjoy it?"
532
00:37:11,854 --> 00:37:13,481
That was the first step for me.
533
00:37:13,564 --> 00:37:16,943
The second step was to all of a sudden
be like, "Okay, I like this spot,
534
00:37:17,026 --> 00:37:20,404
and I might not ever go
to that one over there,
535
00:37:20,488 --> 00:37:24,075
but I'm just going to extend my desire
536
00:37:24,158 --> 00:37:25,660
to protect this place, and go like,
537
00:37:25,743 --> 00:37:28,746
'Okay, I like that one
in the distance too,' you know.
538
00:37:28,829 --> 00:37:32,083
And maybe I like something
in South America as well."
539
00:37:32,333 --> 00:37:34,877
And I think I just very gradually,sort of,
540
00:37:34,961 --> 00:37:37,463
began to have a conservation ethic
541
00:37:37,546 --> 00:37:40,758
that stands outside of selfishness.
542
00:37:42,426 --> 00:37:46,264
But it took me a long, long timeto shed that idea,
543
00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:49,850
that you can just take and takewith no regard to what's down the road.
544
00:38:13,457 --> 00:38:16,627
[Robert Abernathy] If it's a perfectmorning, it is completely dead calm.
545
00:38:17,295 --> 00:38:18,838
And you get to your listening spot.
546
00:38:20,047 --> 00:38:21,382
[birds twittering]
547
00:38:21,674 --> 00:38:23,759
Generally, the first thingyou hear is a cardinal,
548
00:38:23,843 --> 00:38:26,762
and then the tufted titmiceare gonna start calling.
549
00:38:26,846 --> 00:38:28,764
And then all the other birds join in.
550
00:38:30,141 --> 00:38:32,143
And when the first crow calls,
551
00:38:32,226 --> 00:38:36,105
and if all goes according to plan,it'd be answered by a gobbler.
552
00:38:36,188 --> 00:38:37,606
[gobbling]
553
00:38:38,357 --> 00:38:42,403
And if a turkey sees movement,and he'll look at it,
554
00:38:42,945 --> 00:38:45,948
and he'll see movement
a second time and he's gone.
555
00:38:46,157 --> 00:38:50,328
As soon as it came out of that egg,
every movement that it experienced,
556
00:38:50,953 --> 00:38:55,082
it... it interpreted it
as something trying to kill it and eat it.
557
00:38:56,751 --> 00:39:00,546
If you're good enough to kill a birdevery three or four or five hunts,
558
00:39:01,380 --> 00:39:02,798
you're a pretty good turkey hunter.
559
00:39:13,351 --> 00:39:15,644
We can't forget that we're not turkeys.
560
00:39:15,728 --> 00:39:19,357
We are mammals,
so when we're looking at a turkey,
561
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,317
we're looking at him with mammal eyes.
562
00:39:21,567 --> 00:39:24,403
When a turkey is looking at a turkey
or a turkey is looking at a decoy,
563
00:39:24,487 --> 00:39:27,948
a turkey is looking with bird eyes,
with avian eyes.
564
00:39:29,492 --> 00:39:32,453
My son came up with the idea,
"Well, you know, why don't you
565
00:39:32,536 --> 00:39:35,748
just glue each feather on individually?"
566
00:39:36,665 --> 00:39:38,459
"Well, that'll take too long,
that's crazy."
567
00:39:38,542 --> 00:39:39,627
Well, then he did it.
568
00:39:40,419 --> 00:39:43,339
And it doesn't... It's like everything,
it doesn't work every time.
569
00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:45,341
But it... it works enough.
570
00:39:48,469 --> 00:39:50,304
I did not grow up hunting turkeys.
571
00:39:50,388 --> 00:39:54,392
We had no turkeys anywhere around
and I remember the first turkey I saw,
572
00:39:54,475 --> 00:39:56,143
which I was in high school.
573
00:39:56,268 --> 00:39:58,729
And it was... It was crazy,
I mean, I couldn't believe it.
574
00:39:58,813 --> 00:40:00,981
I could not believe
I had seen a turkey.
575
00:40:01,148 --> 00:40:03,526
By the time I was born, in the mid-'50s,
576
00:40:03,609 --> 00:40:07,363
North Carolina only had turkeysin the most remote parts.
577
00:40:09,031 --> 00:40:12,660
The turkey populationstarted crashing in the 1800s
578
00:40:12,743 --> 00:40:14,954
as soon as the settlements started.I mean,
579
00:40:15,162 --> 00:40:17,331
these were a large bird
that were good to eat,
580
00:40:17,415 --> 00:40:18,624
and people killed them and ate 'em,
581
00:40:18,707 --> 00:40:20,501
and they killed them
and sold 'em to the market.
582
00:40:20,584 --> 00:40:23,379
And they disappearedfrom most of the United States.
583
00:40:23,504 --> 00:40:25,506
But it's not that way anymore.
584
00:40:26,340 --> 00:40:29,301
Historically in the '20s,
and '30s, and '40s,
585
00:40:29,385 --> 00:40:33,722
we believed that you could
take a wild turkey, um, hen,
586
00:40:33,806 --> 00:40:36,475
and take the eggs, raise them up
into young turkeys
587
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:37,893
and go out and turn them to the woods.
588
00:40:37,977 --> 00:40:39,854
And that, well, that went on for decades.
589
00:40:39,937 --> 00:40:42,940
It was a... It was a massive failure
and just did not work.
590
00:40:43,023 --> 00:40:45,818
And the restoration
really didn't get started
591
00:40:45,901 --> 00:40:48,654
until we figured out
how to trap them and how to move them.
592
00:40:48,863 --> 00:40:52,032
We started using rocket nets
to capture the birds.
593
00:40:52,116 --> 00:40:54,201
And it was hunters that funded
the whole thing.
594
00:40:56,245 --> 00:40:58,956
It was an army of biologists
595
00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:01,709
and technicians, and huntersall over this country
596
00:41:01,792 --> 00:41:03,544
that contributed the moneyand trapped the birds,
597
00:41:03,627 --> 00:41:06,839
and did that habitat managementthat allowed the birds to come back.
598
00:41:08,674 --> 00:41:12,428
Now wild turkeys are foundin all 49 states...
599
00:41:12,511 --> 00:41:13,637
they're not in Alaska,
600
00:41:14,430 --> 00:41:18,392
and throughout southern Canadaand down into Mexico.
601
00:41:21,312 --> 00:41:23,856
You know, the question is,
did I do the restoration
602
00:41:23,939 --> 00:41:27,151
in order to be able to hunt turkeys
all over the country?
603
00:41:27,234 --> 00:41:29,236
And maybe a part of me did.
604
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,239
But we get that question a lot,
605
00:41:32,323 --> 00:41:36,118
uh, "Well, you only wanted to turn those
turkeys loose so you can shoot them."
606
00:41:36,577 --> 00:41:40,789
And it's like,
that doesn't even come close
607
00:41:40,873 --> 00:41:43,959
to the experiences
and the people I've met,
608
00:41:44,043 --> 00:41:48,005
and the guys that might raise money
609
00:41:48,088 --> 00:41:50,382
and work for years
610
00:41:50,799 --> 00:41:54,053
to try to get a... a wild turkey,
611
00:41:54,553 --> 00:41:58,516
or elk, or white-tail deer,
or mule deer, or a pronghorn...
612
00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:00,226
restored to a habitat.
613
00:42:00,643 --> 00:42:04,271
I just don't see that level of commitment
614
00:42:04,355 --> 00:42:09,151
with any other wide group of people,
615
00:42:09,735 --> 00:42:11,320
um, other than hunters.
616
00:42:13,948 --> 00:42:15,658
[birds chirping]
617
00:42:26,460 --> 00:42:30,589
[Jim] These wild animalshave a social and cultural value
618
00:42:30,756 --> 00:42:32,466
because of what they represent.
619
00:42:32,967 --> 00:42:37,805
They represent a social, cultural
commitment to their existence,
620
00:42:38,097 --> 00:42:42,726
and the fact that we have workedso that they can coexist
621
00:42:42,810 --> 00:42:45,104
with a civilized society...
622
00:42:45,437 --> 00:42:49,358
and still remain wild.
And that has given them a value.
623
00:42:54,321 --> 00:42:56,865
The European method of wildlife management
624
00:42:56,949 --> 00:42:59,952
attached wildlifeto privilege or property.
625
00:43:00,452 --> 00:43:03,998
You could get hungfor killing the King's deer.
626
00:43:05,583 --> 00:43:07,960
One particular code in England
627
00:43:08,043 --> 00:43:11,088
was that, uh, if you should take
so much as a hair,
628
00:43:11,422 --> 00:43:13,382
you shall have your eyes torn out.
629
00:43:15,551 --> 00:43:18,721
By virtue of the Declaration
of Independence,
630
00:43:18,804 --> 00:43:21,307
where the people became the sovereign,
631
00:43:21,765 --> 00:43:26,937
those rights and privileges
that belong to the... the royalty,
632
00:43:27,104 --> 00:43:30,649
passed to the people,
and they would be held in trust
633
00:43:30,733 --> 00:43:32,651
for the people, by the States.
634
00:43:33,694 --> 00:43:37,740
The irony is that before and afterour decision about who owned the wildlife
635
00:43:37,823 --> 00:43:41,201
of this country,we were systematically eliminating it.
636
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:48,417
Louis and Clark came up herein 1805 and 1806,
637
00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:52,630
they described that wildlife resource,as a resource
638
00:43:52,713 --> 00:43:57,259
that exceeded anything the eyeof man had ever looked upon.
639
00:43:57,635 --> 00:44:02,097
Just a sheer abundance of wildlife that
was out on the Great Plains at that time.
640
00:44:04,433 --> 00:44:09,146
Eight decades later,it had fallen to zero.
641
00:44:12,232 --> 00:44:15,361
We had become the wildlifeboneyard of a continent.
642
00:44:19,114 --> 00:44:21,200
Throughout history, there have been people
643
00:44:21,283 --> 00:44:23,118
who have hunted for utilitarian reasons,
644
00:44:23,202 --> 00:44:25,537
or for, uh, commercial purposes.
645
00:44:25,621 --> 00:44:28,832
So, the United States had market hunters.
646
00:44:30,376 --> 00:44:33,295
Market hunters were individualsin the 19th century
647
00:44:33,379 --> 00:44:36,548
who would go out and kill wild animals...
648
00:44:37,341 --> 00:44:41,679
to sell their meat or hidesto markets in the east.
649
00:44:43,681 --> 00:44:48,394
[Jim] In 1876, Fort Benton
shipped 80,000 buffalo hides
650
00:44:48,477 --> 00:44:49,853
down the Missouri River.
651
00:44:51,105 --> 00:44:53,982
And that's kind of a centennial milepost,
652
00:44:54,066 --> 00:44:56,485
at least out in the west where we were,
653
00:44:56,985 --> 00:44:59,571
a sort of, uh,at maximum killing capacity,
654
00:44:59,655 --> 00:45:02,282
not only of the buffalo,but of all wildlife.
655
00:45:04,326 --> 00:45:07,746
Theodore Roosevelt,he has an intense interest in nature
656
00:45:07,830 --> 00:45:10,290
and this passion to go hunting,
657
00:45:10,374 --> 00:45:15,462
and he comes to the west to get to a bisonbefore they were gone.
658
00:45:16,255 --> 00:45:18,882
He hires a guy named Joe Ferris,
659
00:45:19,299 --> 00:45:21,343
they hunt for seven days...
660
00:45:22,094 --> 00:45:24,721
and he shoots a lone wandering bull.
661
00:45:25,013 --> 00:45:26,598
And he is so excited
662
00:45:27,558 --> 00:45:30,352
that he does a war dancearound the fallen bull,
663
00:45:31,186 --> 00:45:33,981
and then he gives his guide
a hundred dollars.
664
00:45:35,232 --> 00:45:39,987
In '85, he had published Hunting Trips
of a Ranchman & The Wilderness Hunter,
665
00:45:40,362 --> 00:45:42,739
and he left a passage in there
of a rancher
666
00:45:42,823 --> 00:45:45,617
that he had talked to,
who had made a journey
667
00:45:45,701 --> 00:45:49,455
of a thousand miles in northern Montana.
668
00:45:51,665 --> 00:45:54,209
To use the ranchman's own words,
669
00:45:54,293 --> 00:45:57,588
"I was never out of sight
of a dead buffalo,
670
00:45:57,754 --> 00:46:00,007
and never in sight of a live one."
671
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:07,055
Roosevelt shoots a second buffalo,
672
00:46:07,890 --> 00:46:10,976
and his reaction to itis no longer the dance.
673
00:46:12,311 --> 00:46:16,857
His commentary about killing
that buffalo is a reflection
674
00:46:16,940 --> 00:46:19,485
on this nearly gone and vanished species.
675
00:46:20,819 --> 00:46:22,070
This noble beast.
676
00:46:23,489 --> 00:46:26,909
And he has a conservation epiphany.
677
00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:31,997
And that was a pretty important event.
678
00:46:34,708 --> 00:46:39,171
Theodore Roosevelt gets shuntedinto the Vice Presidency in 1900
679
00:46:39,505 --> 00:46:41,965
as a candidate on the McKinley ticket,
680
00:46:42,049 --> 00:46:44,134
and then McKinley gets shot.
681
00:46:44,593 --> 00:46:48,305
And all of a sudden,Theodore Roosevelt is the president.
682
00:46:49,348 --> 00:46:51,642
The National Republican Party boss said,
683
00:46:51,725 --> 00:46:54,645
"I told William McKinley it was a mistake
684
00:46:54,728 --> 00:46:57,105
to nominate that wild man.
685
00:46:57,272 --> 00:47:00,943
Now look, that damn cowboy
is President of the United States."
686
00:47:02,986 --> 00:47:06,240
His first message to Congresswas on conservation.
687
00:47:07,950 --> 00:47:12,329
He adds 140 million acresinto the national forest system,
688
00:47:12,996 --> 00:47:16,416
and in that process,
western district congressmen
689
00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:19,545
from six western states panic.
690
00:47:20,587 --> 00:47:23,632
They put a rider
on an Ag Appropriations Bill
691
00:47:23,715 --> 00:47:27,553
to prohibit him from setting aside
any more national forests.
692
00:47:28,178 --> 00:47:31,223
He has seven days to sign
or veto that bill.
693
00:47:31,932 --> 00:47:36,645
In those seven days, he adds16 million acres to the forest system,
694
00:47:36,728 --> 00:47:39,147
creates 21 new national forests,
695
00:47:39,690 --> 00:47:43,610
signs the executive orderscreating those public states,
696
00:47:44,403 --> 00:47:47,823
and then he signs the bill
forbidding him from ever doing it again.
697
00:47:49,491 --> 00:47:50,534
That's leadership.
698
00:47:52,452 --> 00:47:53,996
One generation later,
699
00:47:55,372 --> 00:47:58,875
we have the great economic depression,
700
00:47:59,293 --> 00:48:01,587
the drought, and the Dust Bowl.
701
00:48:02,754 --> 00:48:04,923
In the depth of that despair,
702
00:48:05,007 --> 00:48:07,551
we have Franklin Roosevelt, now President,
703
00:48:07,968 --> 00:48:11,805
and he calls the very firstNorth American wildlife conference.
704
00:48:13,724 --> 00:48:16,101
This is what he told the hunters
and the fishermen.
705
00:48:16,310 --> 00:48:19,187
He says, "Look, people,
if you want these resources,
706
00:48:19,271 --> 00:48:20,731
you're gonna have to do it."
707
00:48:20,939 --> 00:48:23,942
And the wildlife conservation ethic...
708
00:48:24,735 --> 00:48:26,194
begins to take root.
709
00:48:27,613 --> 00:48:29,448
They put through Congress
710
00:48:29,531 --> 00:48:32,326
the Pittman-RobertsonWildlife Restoration Act.
711
00:48:33,452 --> 00:48:36,872
And it's been fueling wildlife restoration
712
00:48:37,289 --> 00:48:38,915
for 80 years.
713
00:48:40,584 --> 00:48:43,045
The hunters that rose up
714
00:48:43,128 --> 00:48:45,922
in the wake of the market shooters,
715
00:48:46,006 --> 00:48:49,217
rose up with a conservation ethic
because it was essential.
716
00:48:49,426 --> 00:48:52,387
We wouldn't have hunting
if that hadn't happened.
717
00:49:01,313 --> 00:49:02,981
[Martin] I mean,I think it's worth considering
718
00:49:03,065 --> 00:49:06,610
that many of the animalsthat we see all the time
719
00:49:07,152 --> 00:49:08,779
used to be really rare.
720
00:49:10,405 --> 00:49:12,032
You know, if you go to places
721
00:49:12,115 --> 00:49:16,745
where those species don't have
that cultural or economic value,
722
00:49:17,287 --> 00:49:19,915
um, over time, they get crowded out.
723
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,458
They're not there anymore.
724
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,169
Uh, it... it happens all over the world.
725
00:49:24,878 --> 00:49:29,800
And it's not that way
in the United States.
726
00:49:32,803 --> 00:49:36,348
We have, not only public wildlifethrough the North American model,
727
00:49:36,682 --> 00:49:37,724
but public lands.
728
00:49:38,934 --> 00:49:41,561
Hunters pay for that conservation.
729
00:49:43,647 --> 00:49:48,402
The picture of hunting revenue in the US
is on a both state and federal level.
730
00:49:50,570 --> 00:49:54,199
On the state side, you've gotthe sale hunting licenses tags
731
00:49:54,282 --> 00:49:58,870
and stamps as the primary source ofrevenue for fish in wildlife commissions,
732
00:49:58,954 --> 00:50:02,416
and that's to the tune of about a billiondollars annually across the country.
733
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:06,253
That is only paid for
by people who are hunting.
734
00:50:07,879 --> 00:50:11,049
On the federal side, you've got stemmingfrom the Pittman-Robertson Act,
735
00:50:11,133 --> 00:50:13,844
uh, a federal excise taxon hunting equipment.
736
00:50:13,927 --> 00:50:16,763
So it only hits people who are buyinghunting equipment,
737
00:50:16,847 --> 00:50:18,682
and that money gets putin the federal fund.
738
00:50:20,016 --> 00:50:22,602
And that fund is then distributedto the States,
739
00:50:22,811 --> 00:50:24,646
but only if they meet
certain requirements, right?
740
00:50:24,730 --> 00:50:28,316
And the first requirement is that
all the money that the state's generated
741
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,528
via the sales of hunting licenses,
tags and stamps,
742
00:50:31,862 --> 00:50:35,699
has to be spent by
that actual Fish and Wildlife Commission.
743
00:50:35,782 --> 00:50:39,119
It can't get diluted across the budget,it has to stay for fish and wildlife.
744
00:50:39,578 --> 00:50:43,957
And this is a cool part too,
is if that money is, for whatever reason,
745
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,667
not spent within two years,
746
00:50:45,751 --> 00:50:48,795
it gets reallocated
to the Migratory Bird Conservation Act.
747
00:50:49,212 --> 00:50:52,257
In a holistic sense,it's a really, really tight structure.
748
00:50:52,340 --> 00:50:55,177
It's an exampleof pretty effective regulation
749
00:50:55,260 --> 00:50:57,637
and it's cool to see the mechanicsof how it all works.
750
00:51:04,227 --> 00:51:07,230
[birds cooing]
751
00:51:22,329 --> 00:51:24,414
[Steve] I hunt many things in many places,
752
00:51:24,498 --> 00:51:27,834
but I feel best and most fulfilledhunting in places
753
00:51:28,084 --> 00:51:31,588
where it's physically difficultand a bit hazardous.
754
00:51:34,341 --> 00:51:36,885
I enjoy moving through nasty country.
755
00:51:36,968 --> 00:51:39,346
I like the climb.I don't mind suffering the cold.
756
00:51:39,429 --> 00:51:42,724
I like being in places where I haveto struggle against obstacles.
757
00:51:44,893 --> 00:51:48,438
I could get a deer other placesand in easier ways,
758
00:51:48,522 --> 00:51:51,399
but intentionally handicappingour endeavors
759
00:51:51,483 --> 00:51:55,195
is one of those peculiar hallmarksof our species.
760
00:51:56,571 --> 00:52:01,159
In hunting, we refer to this systemof handicapping as "fair chase."
761
00:52:02,702 --> 00:52:06,289
Now, it's a slippery conceptin that it's hard to define
762
00:52:06,373 --> 00:52:09,626
in a way that everyoneis going to agree on.
763
00:52:09,709 --> 00:52:12,838
But it has to do with eveningthe playing field
764
00:52:12,921 --> 00:52:14,840
between predator and prey.
765
00:52:15,882 --> 00:52:21,388
Diminishing, sometimes greatly,the certainty of the hunter's success.
766
00:52:21,805 --> 00:52:24,808
Many of these handicapsare codified by law.
767
00:52:25,100 --> 00:52:27,686
Weapons that can and cannot be used,
768
00:52:27,769 --> 00:52:30,981
hours of the daythat are allowable for hunting.
769
00:52:31,106 --> 00:52:34,734
Restriction on age classesand gender of animals
770
00:52:34,818 --> 00:52:36,278
that can be harvested.
771
00:52:36,361 --> 00:52:38,697
But many hunters go it one better,
772
00:52:38,780 --> 00:52:42,534
and add layers of personal prohibitions.
773
00:52:42,909 --> 00:52:45,287
Weapons they could use, but don't.
774
00:52:45,370 --> 00:52:48,748
Age classes of animalsthey could kill, but won't.
775
00:52:49,332 --> 00:52:53,628
Much of it is subjective.It's deeply personal.
776
00:52:53,712 --> 00:52:58,758
Hunting plays out in your headas much as it does out on the land.
777
00:52:59,467 --> 00:53:03,013
Your version of itneeds to leave you feeling right.
778
00:53:03,930 --> 00:53:07,309
It needs to leave you feeling goodabout what you've done.
779
00:53:11,021 --> 00:53:15,775
All hunters need to findthat line for themselves.
780
00:53:30,874 --> 00:53:32,417
[gunshot]
781
00:53:37,255 --> 00:53:38,965
[gun clicks]
782
00:53:52,395 --> 00:53:56,274
The first time I killed a deer, I was 13.
783
00:53:57,817 --> 00:54:01,488
I got one with a riflein Michigan where I grew up.
784
00:54:02,739 --> 00:54:04,407
It was so close,I was like I couldn't miss.
785
00:54:04,491 --> 00:54:07,494
I was held right whereI could see on it. Bam.
786
00:54:12,082 --> 00:54:13,792
I got it and I ran over there,
787
00:54:14,084 --> 00:54:19,673
and I was kind of surprised to see
the deer hadn't died yet, you know.
788
00:54:19,756 --> 00:54:24,219
And... and now looking back on it,
you just, very quickly shoot it again,
789
00:54:24,302 --> 00:54:26,221
but I was young and inexperienced.
790
00:54:26,304 --> 00:54:28,264
And I didn't know, and I... And I...
791
00:54:28,598 --> 00:54:30,809
jumped in there
and I killed the deer with a knife.
792
00:54:34,771 --> 00:54:39,693
And, like, looking at it, I mean, like,yeah, it was kind of like, a violent act.
793
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,072
And... and I recognize thatthere is a violence to hunting.
794
00:54:44,531 --> 00:54:46,658
It is different thana human-on-human violence,
795
00:54:47,450 --> 00:54:49,536
but there is a violence to it.
796
00:54:51,913 --> 00:54:56,292
But, I think thatit's a funny little exercise
797
00:54:56,376 --> 00:54:58,837
to act as though you can be alive today...
798
00:55:00,463 --> 00:55:04,009
and be a breathing, living, eating person
799
00:55:04,092 --> 00:55:08,263
who's dining in restaurantsand going to the grocery store,
800
00:55:09,014 --> 00:55:15,270
and to somehow feel as thoughyou've escaped the cycle of violence
801
00:55:15,353 --> 00:55:18,732
that drives all existence,and that drives nature.
802
00:55:32,287 --> 00:55:34,289
[Ron] Whenever I kill a deer,
803
00:55:35,206 --> 00:55:36,958
I always have that, um...
804
00:55:39,169 --> 00:55:42,130
degree of sorrow for the animal.
805
00:55:42,839 --> 00:55:43,965
For the kill.
806
00:55:44,424 --> 00:55:46,176
I don't feel guilty about it,
807
00:55:46,259 --> 00:55:50,055
but you feel sorry for the animal
808
00:55:50,138 --> 00:55:54,142
in taking him out of life...
for your benefit.
809
00:55:54,225 --> 00:55:57,312
And I don't think I'll ever get over that.
810
00:55:58,021 --> 00:56:02,108
I think it's what
every hunter should have.
811
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:04,569
Those emotions should be listened to
812
00:56:04,652 --> 00:56:09,282
because they... they... They represent
the better parts of our nature.
813
00:56:09,783 --> 00:56:13,244
The feelings of empathy and sympathy,
814
00:56:13,328 --> 00:56:16,414
the feelings of having ended
an animal's life.
815
00:56:16,498 --> 00:56:19,751
And I think the question then to ask is,
816
00:56:19,834 --> 00:56:23,546
"Was it necessary what I just did?
Did I have to do that? Is that...
817
00:56:24,798 --> 00:56:26,049
What is... What is...
818
00:56:26,132 --> 00:56:29,552
What is my heart telling me
about what just transpired?"
819
00:56:31,679 --> 00:56:35,141
[Danny] We're human beingsand we're of this earth,
820
00:56:35,642 --> 00:56:38,978
and we've been hunting animals
for thousands of years
821
00:56:39,062 --> 00:56:41,147
and to think that, that no longer applies
822
00:56:41,231 --> 00:56:46,903
just because we have technology that
allows us to not necessarily hunt anymore,
823
00:56:47,237 --> 00:56:49,280
um, seems kind of ridiculous to me.
824
00:56:52,325 --> 00:56:54,953
[Steve] Why do some people respect
825
00:56:55,036 --> 00:56:57,872
every predator but themselves?
826
00:57:01,042 --> 00:57:03,336
Think of an owl perched up in a tree...
827
00:57:05,380 --> 00:57:07,090
watching for a rabbit
828
00:57:07,423 --> 00:57:09,425
that it's going to pounce on and kill.
829
00:57:10,677 --> 00:57:14,597
It does not occur to the owlto ask, "Do I belong here?
830
00:57:17,392 --> 00:57:20,145
Do I have the rightto eat this rabbit and live?"
831
00:57:22,272 --> 00:57:26,109
It just is one with the natural world.
832
00:57:29,696 --> 00:57:33,158
It's impossible to untangle it,as a creature,
833
00:57:34,451 --> 00:57:36,244
from its impending actions.
834
00:57:38,663 --> 00:57:40,373
And I admire that owl.
835
00:57:41,416 --> 00:57:45,128
How good, to be so unapologetic
836
00:57:45,211 --> 00:57:47,297
about what sharp talons.
837
00:58:12,989 --> 00:58:15,867
[cutting skin]
838
00:58:38,056 --> 00:58:38,932
[bone cracking]
839
00:59:03,706 --> 00:59:07,293
Legally and morally, the animal,
the instant it dies,
840
00:59:07,377 --> 00:59:11,506
it's my property, and I have
an obligation to the animal
841
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:16,803
to, um, get it skinned,
get it cooled down, keep it clean...
842
00:59:16,886 --> 00:59:22,892
and start the long arduous task
of getting all that meat home.
843
00:59:23,518 --> 00:59:26,896
I'm going to take an animal,
I'm going to utilize everything.
844
00:59:27,355 --> 00:59:28,356
Everything.
845
00:59:28,439 --> 00:59:30,400
We don't let anything go to waste.
846
00:59:30,608 --> 00:59:32,485
Whatever we can utilize, we utilize.
847
00:59:32,569 --> 00:59:35,029
I don't buy meat, I just eat game meat,
848
00:59:35,113 --> 00:59:39,409
so, uh, that is something
that I value very highly.
849
00:59:39,867 --> 00:59:41,411
If you're going to take an animal's life,
850
00:59:41,494 --> 00:59:44,872
if you're going to consume meat
as part of your diet,
851
00:59:45,081 --> 00:59:47,625
you have a responsibility to use
852
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:50,378
every last bit of that animal
that you can.
853
00:59:50,628 --> 00:59:52,130
[Jones] If someone chooses to be a hunter,
854
00:59:52,964 --> 00:59:56,301
and that person decides to say,
855
00:59:56,384 --> 01:00:00,221
"Honor or respect the prey...
856
01:00:00,555 --> 01:00:05,560
by using all the parts of it and doing it
in this kind of honorific manner,"
857
01:00:06,269 --> 01:00:07,854
does that make a difference,
858
01:00:08,521 --> 01:00:10,356
uh, morally or ethically?
859
01:00:10,648 --> 01:00:12,609
It doesn't make a difference
to the animal.
860
01:00:12,692 --> 01:00:13,776
The animal is dead.
861
01:00:17,322 --> 01:00:20,158
The animal is not gonna say,"Hey, thanks for shooting me
862
01:00:20,241 --> 01:00:22,285
and really caring and respecting me.
863
01:00:23,661 --> 01:00:26,247
That's better thanyou doing it maliciously and not caring."
864
01:00:27,874 --> 01:00:29,208
The animal's dead.
865
01:01:19,676 --> 01:01:22,011
[Steve] Most of the huntersthat I've known in my life,
866
01:01:22,136 --> 01:01:23,763
and I have known a great many,
867
01:01:24,347 --> 01:01:27,475
struggle in some way with the violence.
868
01:01:29,894 --> 01:01:32,063
But we're the rare few, really,
869
01:01:32,772 --> 01:01:35,692
who are willing to reckonface-to-face with the fact
870
01:01:35,775 --> 01:01:37,610
that our lives cause death.
871
01:01:45,118 --> 01:01:48,538
As a hunter, you do strivefor humane slaughter.
872
01:01:48,663 --> 01:01:51,833
Which might not happen every time,but the intention is there.
873
01:01:54,502 --> 01:01:58,923
And the animal lives in the purityof the natural world.
874
01:02:00,174 --> 01:02:03,469
Uncorrupted by domesticationand confinement,
875
01:02:03,678 --> 01:02:06,264
until it passes into the phase
876
01:02:06,347 --> 01:02:09,100
of becoming food for me and my family.
877
01:02:11,477 --> 01:02:14,188
Who eats more purely than that?
878
01:02:18,317 --> 01:02:20,153
This is just purely personal opinion.
879
01:02:21,070 --> 01:02:23,114
I can't back this up with anything.
880
01:02:24,490 --> 01:02:26,576
But I think that a lot of people...
881
01:02:27,452 --> 01:02:31,164
feel in their heart, right...
882
01:02:31,789 --> 01:02:33,708
They want to be a hunter.
883
01:02:33,791 --> 01:02:35,585
They feel that need to be a hunter.
884
01:02:36,711 --> 01:02:38,880
But, they've been told that they can't be,
885
01:02:38,963 --> 01:02:41,007
or they've been told that it's wrong.
886
01:02:41,090 --> 01:02:43,760
And what they're looking forwhen they hear about food
887
01:02:43,843 --> 01:02:47,722
and this idea of like, humane slaughter,
888
01:02:47,847 --> 01:02:49,932
sustainable resources, organic.
889
01:02:50,016 --> 01:02:54,061
I think that what they're doing
is they're finding a way in.
890
01:02:55,938 --> 01:02:59,400
So they know they want to go but theyhaven't been able to justify the leap.
891
01:02:59,650 --> 01:03:04,322
And they're trying to find emotionallya way to put a foot into that place.
892
01:03:05,364 --> 01:03:09,076
And they are just begging for a way in.
893
01:03:13,956 --> 01:03:16,709
I don't know how manyare gonna actually make the leap.
894
01:03:18,169 --> 01:03:21,297
But I feel that right now,for some reason,
895
01:03:21,380 --> 01:03:24,133
a lot of people are wondering
896
01:03:24,509 --> 01:03:26,093
what's been taken from them.
897
01:03:29,430 --> 01:03:31,808
And how they might getsome semblance of it back.
898
01:03:51,536 --> 01:03:54,372
The writer, Tom McGuanehas an essay about hunting
899
01:03:54,455 --> 01:03:57,041
in which he recounts a conversation
900
01:03:57,208 --> 01:04:00,670
where someone takes a hunterto task by asking him,
901
01:04:01,754 --> 01:04:03,673
"Why do you have to go and kill deer?
902
01:04:05,424 --> 01:04:07,385
Why do deer have to die for you?
903
01:04:09,470 --> 01:04:11,013
Would you die for deer?"
904
01:04:12,431 --> 01:04:15,184
The hunter replies, "If it came to that."
905
01:04:20,439 --> 01:04:24,861
The conversation illustratesthat central paradox.
906
01:04:25,069 --> 01:04:28,573
You love animals,but then you kill some of them.
907
01:04:30,616 --> 01:04:33,744
When wrestling with it,I believe it's important to remember
908
01:04:33,828 --> 01:04:37,665
that many of our mostinfluential conservationists
909
01:04:37,748 --> 01:04:39,500
had a love of hunting
910
01:04:39,584 --> 01:04:45,006
that inspired in them a desireto save the land and restore wildlife.
911
01:04:45,381 --> 01:04:48,092
My hope is that huntingwill continue to do this,
912
01:04:48,426 --> 01:04:51,762
to inspire in peoplea sense of active ownership,
913
01:04:51,846 --> 01:04:54,765
active stewardship for the land
914
01:04:54,891 --> 01:04:58,019
many generations into the future.
915
01:05:04,859 --> 01:05:08,362
[Jim] Those early hunterstalked about the generations
916
01:05:08,446 --> 01:05:10,281
within the womb of time.
917
01:05:13,034 --> 01:05:14,827
To the extent that,
918
01:05:15,369 --> 01:05:19,540
each generation hasa responsibility to the future.
919
01:05:21,167 --> 01:05:23,377
And I'm going to sneak inanother personal story now.
920
01:05:24,712 --> 01:05:28,633
Hearing about the national forest,
I walk there from my house.
921
01:05:28,758 --> 01:05:31,093
I see three hunters
coming up that trail...
922
01:05:31,928 --> 01:05:35,389
and it looks to be a father
and two young sons.
923
01:05:35,973 --> 01:05:38,976
And they're like poster children
out of hunter education,
924
01:05:39,060 --> 01:05:43,481
control of the gun, blaze orange,
serious expressions.
925
01:05:44,106 --> 01:05:47,234
And the father tiptoes up to me
and whispers,
926
01:05:47,652 --> 01:05:49,612
"We don't want to get ahead of you."
927
01:05:50,404 --> 01:05:53,240
Deference to this old guy
sitting by the trail.
928
01:05:54,450 --> 01:05:57,745
And I said to the father,
"I think I know...
929
01:05:58,704 --> 01:06:01,165
what you're doing,
and I want you ahead of me."
930
01:06:02,208 --> 01:06:05,086
And so, I gave him the high sign
and the kids' face lit up
931
01:06:05,169 --> 01:06:08,756
in the pre-dawn darkness
with a bright smile,
932
01:06:09,674 --> 01:06:11,717
and I watched them go up the ridge.
933
01:06:12,051 --> 01:06:13,427
And then I thought...
934
01:06:14,637 --> 01:06:20,810
"Here was three generations
of people meeting in the national forest,
935
01:06:21,519 --> 01:06:25,022
enjoying the beauty of living,
and the joy of life."
936
01:06:25,815 --> 01:06:28,359
I put my head in my hands and I wept,
937
01:06:29,151 --> 01:06:30,528
because of what that meant.
938
01:06:37,618 --> 01:06:40,579
[instrumental music playing]
939
01:07:37,428 --> 01:07:38,763
[music continues]
940
01:08:35,194 --> 01:08:36,862
[music continues]
941
01:08:58,801 --> 01:09:00,928
[music fades]
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