All language subtitles for BTK.Chasing.a.Serial.Killer.S01E03.WEBRip.x264-ION10

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Otis: THIS WAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD
THAT HE LIVED IN.

HE WOULD DRIVE AROUND, AND HE
WOULD SEE HUNDREDS OF WOMEN,

AND THEN HE WOULD SEE ONE
IN A CAR

OR ONE COMIN' OUT OF A STORE,
AND THAT WOULD BE THE ONE.

YOU THINK OF A SERIAL KILLER,

AND YOU THINK OF
WEIRD-LOOKING CRAZY GUYS WITH

GOOGLY EYES
AND DROOLING AT THE MOUTH,

AND THAT'S JUST NOT
WHAT THEY ARE.

VICKI WEGERLE LIVED
RIGHT DOWN THIS STREET,

RIGHT HERE.

IN THAT HOUSE
WITH THE BRICK PORCH.

WHEN I INTERVIEWED RADER,

HE TOLD ME THAT HE WAS EATING
LUNCH -- WHEN HE FIRST FOUND HER

AS A VICTIM, HE WAS EATING LUNCH
IN THIS PARKING LOT.

HE WORKED FOR ADT,

AND HE WOULD OFTEN EAT
IN HIS WORK TRUCK.

AND HE WAS IN THIS PARKING LOT
EATING HIS LUNCH.

AS HE SET HERE, EATING,

HE COULD HEAR A PIANO PLAYING,

AND VICKI HAD A PIANO
IN HER LIVING ROOM.

AND DENNIS RADER HEARD
THAT PIANO BEING PLAYED

AT LUNCHTIME,

GOT OUT OF HIS TRUCK,
AND WALKED

DOWN THE STREET,
CROSSED AND WALKED BACK BY

TO VERIFY
WHERE THE PIANO WAS,

AND HE STARTED WATCHING
THIS HOUSE MORE AND MORE

AND REALIZED IN HIS --
IN HIS STALKING THAT

THERE WAS A FAMILY
THAT LIVED THERE,

BUT THE HUSBAND
WOULD LEAVE FOR WORK,

AND HE KNEW WHAT KIND OF WORK
TRUCK THE HUSBAND DROVE,

AND THAT'S HOW VICKI
BECAME ONE OF HIS TARGETS,

SIMPLY BY PLAYING A PIANO.

Woman: CRIME SCENE TAPE WRAPS
AROUND THIS NORMALLY

QUIET STREET IN THIS NORMALLY
QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD,

BUT NEIGHBORS WOKE UP THIS
MORNING TO THE FACT THAT

A SERIAL KILLER SLEPT NEARBY FOR
SO MANY YEARS, AND TO MANY IN

THIS QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD,
HE WAS LIVING AN ORDINARY LIFE.

NO ONE EXPECTED

THE KILLER TO BE SUCH
AN ORDINARY PERSON.

DENNIS RADER
WAS ONE OF FOUR BOYS, UM,

GREW UP IN, BY ALL
APPEARANCES, A STABLE FAMILY.

MY DAD HAD JUST GOT HOME FROM,
UM, THE AIR FORCE

IN THE SUMMER OF 1970,

AND HE MET MY MOM AT
CHRIST LUTHERAN CHURCH.

THEY BOTH SAID IT WAS
LOVE AT FIRST SIGHT.

INITIALLY, RADER'S STALKING
CAME FROM WHEN HE WAS IN

THE MILITARY, BECAUSE HE
IMAGINED HIMSELF TO BE A SPY.

HE HAD A WHOLE FANTASY
AROUND BEING

SORT OF A JAMES BOND
TYPE OF CHARACTER.

WHEN HE CAME BACK TO WICHITA,
HE'D WALK AROUND IN

PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS,

AND IT MADE ME FEEL VERY
POWERFUL THAT HE COULD SEE INTO

THEIR HOUSES AND THINK ABOUT
WHAT HE WOULD DO TO WOMEN THAT

HE SAW WHILE THEY'RE COMPLETELY
OBLIVIOUS OF HIM OUTSIDE.

AND THAT LED TO HIM BREAKING
INTO PEOPLE'S HOMES.

HE COULD TAKE ANYTHING
HE WANTED,

DO ANYTHING HE
WANTED TO THEM.

ONCE HE KNOWS THIS IS
GONNA HAPPEN,

THERE IS REALLY NO STOPPING.

HE WAS SOMEONE WHO MADE

VERY FOCUSED CHOICES TO KEEP
TWO PARTS OF HIS LIFE.

VERY SEPARATE.

HE RELISHED BEING A KILLER,

BUT HE ALSO RELISHED BEING
SEEN AS A FAMILY MAN.

DAD IS NORMALLY
A PRETTY GOOD, STEADY GUY,

BUT THERE WERE TWO TIMES
MY FATHER WAS PHYSICALLY

ABUSIVE WITH MY BROTHER.

I REMEMBER ONE TIME,
MY BROTHER WAS 21,

AND THEY GOT INTO AN ARGUMENT,
AND MY DAD ACTUALLY JUMPED

UP OUT OF HIS CHAIR AND TRIED
TO CHOKE MY BROTHER.

SO AT THE TIME,
YOU SORT OF JUST EXCUSE

THESE THINGS AS LIKE,
HE'S HAVING A BAD DAY.

HE DOESN'T MEAN IT.
HE'LL SAY HE'S SORRY LATER.

THAT SORT OF STUFF
HAUNTS ME TO REALIZE

WHO WE WERE LIVING WITH,

AND WE HAD NO IDEA.

BUT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DEFEND
WHAT HE DID IN OUR HOUSE.

I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY
IT'S OKAY, 'CAUSE IT'S NOT OKAY.

IT'S JUST, AS A FAMILY,

IT SEEMS LIKE YOU JUST SORT OF
NORMALIZE THESE THINGS,

AND -- AND MY FAMILY NEVER
TALKED ABOUT ANYTHING.

WE WERE, LIKE, WELL-BEHAVED,
WELL-DRESSED,

WELL-MANNERED -- LIKE,
APPEARANCES WERE IMPORTANT.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO I WOULD
HAVE TOLD THAT MY DAD DID THIS.

IN 2004, WHEN HE STARTED
HIS BTK COMMUNICATIONS AGAIN,

AS FAR AS WE KNOW,
HE WAS DOING

'EM ON WEDNESDAY NIGHTS
AT THE KITCHEN TABLE

WHILE MY MOM WAS AT CHOIR
AT CHURCH.

MY DAD HAD BEEN, LIKE,
COLLECTING STAMPS FROM, LIKE,

THE EARLY '90s.

SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA NOTICE,
LIKE, ENVELOPES, TWEEZERS,

EVEN RUBBER GLOVES OUT,
BECAUSE HE HAD THAT STUFF

OUT FOR STAMPS.

Narrator: A SEARCH OF RADER'S
HOME REVEALS MORE EVIDENCE

AGAINST HIM, INCLUDING
TROPHIES FROM HIS MURDERS.

TO FIND OUT, LIKE, THAT JEWELRY
THAT BELONGED TO SOME OF

THE WOMEN AND THEIR DRIVER'S
LICENSES WERE UNDERNEATH

OUR FLOORBOARDS --

IT IS JUST ANOTHER ONE OF
THOSE SURREAL, INSANE MOMENTS.

DENNIS RADER KEPT METICULOUS
LOGS OF HIS ACTIVITIES.

HE SAW HIMSELF STALKING WOMEN,

AS CREATING LITTLE PROJECTS.

IN FACT, HE NAMED SEVERAL OF
HIS MURDERS "PROJECT."

Woman: RADER EVEN INCLUDED
THIS LIST TO POLICE,

IDENTIFYING SOME OF
THOSE PROJECTS.

POLICE IDENTIFIED
EVERY ONE OF THEM,

AND HAVE TOLD THEM THEY CAUGHT
THE EYE OF BTK.

Narrator: RADER TELLS POLICE
HE KEPT HIT KITS FOR HIS CRIMES,

BRIEFCASES OR DUFFEL BAGS
CONTAINING ROPE AND OTHER TOOLS

TO AID IN HIS KILLS.

IT BECAME CLEAR THAT HE WASN'T
THIS MASTER CRIMINAL.

HE HAD DONE A COUPLE THINGS
VERY, VERY WELL.

EXCEPT FOR THE LAST COUPLE
OF VICTIMS,

HE WAS EXTREMELY RANDOM.

THAT'S WHAT SOLVES MOST
MURDER CASES,

IS SOMEBODY USUALLY HAS
A REASON

THEY WANT TO KILL SOMEBODY,
AND IT'S NOT A GOOD REASON,

BUT IT'S USUALLY A REASON,
AND THAT'S HOW YOU CAN CONNECT

THE KILLER TO THE CASE --
MOST UNSOLVED CRIMES,

UH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY,

HAVE A -- HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT
OF RANDOMNESS TO IT,

BECAUSE YOU NEED THAT --
THAT VECTOR TO CONNECT 'EM.

I LEARNED, LIKE, HE ALSO WAS
DOING HIS COMMUNICATIONS

IN 2004,

UM, AT HIS OFFICE, LIKE,
HE WOULD CALL AND TELL MY MOM

HE WAS STAYING LATE FOR WORK,
BUT HE WAS ACTUALLY

WORKING ON BTK COMMUNICATIONS.

I DON'T KNOW THE MAN
THAT MURDERED 10 PEOPLE,

INCLUDING TWO CHILDREN,
I DON'T KNOW BTK.

IF I KNEW HIM IN THAT WAY,
HE WOULDN'T HAVE LEFT ME ALIVE,

I DON'T THINK.

BUT THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE
HAD TO WRESTLE WITH.

IF WE HAD FOUND OUT,
WOULD WE STILL BE ALIVE?

Narrator: JUST WHEN AUTHORITIES
THINK DENNIS RADER CAN'T

INCRIMINATE HIMSELF
ANY FURTHER,

HE PROVIDES THEM WITH THE MOST
SHOCKING AND HORRIFIC EVIDENCE

OF HIS DEPRAVITY YET.

THAT WAS ALL PART OF IT,

I MEAN, HIS BRAIN WORKED
A DIFFERENT WAY.

♪♪

Narrator: UNDER INTERROGATION,
DENNIS RADER POINTS TASK FORCE

INVESTIGATORS TO
A MASSIVE CATALOG OF HIS CRIMES.

Gouge: HE TOLD US
WHERE WE WOULD FIND

WHAT HE DESCRIBED
AS THE MOTHER LODE,

EVIDENCE FROM EACH CASE,

AND THAT WOULD BE
A FILE CABINET

IN HIS PARK CITY OFFICE.

SO HE HAD CATALOGUED
EVERYTHING, COLLECTED

AND SAVED EVIDENCE
FROM THE DIFFERENT CASES.

IT WAS JUST JAMMED
FULL OF STUFF.

Relph: THIS FILE CABINET WAS
RIGHT BESIDE HIS DESK.

THIS IS PRETTY MUCH
THE WAY IT WAS.

THIS ISN'T US ORGANIZING --
THIS IS ALL HIM.

HE HAS SEVERAL
THREE-RING BINDERS,

BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE
IS THIS ONE HERE.

IT IS CALLED
THE COMMUNICATION BOOK.

HE HAS CATALOGUED
THE COMMUNICATIONS

AS HE SENT 'EM TO US.

Otis: GUYS LIKE THIS,
I GUARANTEE HE'S READ

THROUGH THESE, HE'S LOOKED
THROUGH THESE BOOKS

HUNDREDS OF TIMES,
BECAUSE THAT'S HOW HE

CONTINUED HIS FANTASY WORLD,

AND HE WAS COMFORTABLE WITH IT
BEING IN HIS LOCKED OFFICE AT

WORK SO THAT HE WAS THE ONLY
ONE WHO HAD ACCESS TO IT.

AND HE WAS PRETTY
CANTANKEROUS AT WORK,

SO, I MEAN, PEOPLE DIDN'T MESS
WITH THIS STUFF,

BECAUSE HE WAS JUST A NA--

HE WAS KIND OF A NASTY GUY AND
A VERY UNPLEASANT INDIVIDUAL

BY -- BY ALL ACCOUNTS.

HE WOULD PREPARE A BOOK LIKE
THIS, AND THIS IS WHAT

HE'D TAKE --
HE'D SET THIS BESIDE HIM

WHEN HE'S DRIVING AROUND,

AND THIS IS PREPARED FOR JUST
SO HE CAN FANTASIZE.

HE TELLS YOU WHERE
HE GOT THE PICTURE.

HE HAS THE PICTURE
AND HOW HE'S NAMED THE PERSON.

AND SOME OF THESE,
HE WOULD ACTUALLY LICK.

AND HE'D HAVE THIS SETTIN'
BESIDE HIM, AND HE'D DRIVE

AROUND AT WORK --
THIS MODEL HERE IS, UM,

MAY I WRAP SPARKY
IN YOUR HAIR?

HE WOULD SAY, I HAVE --
I HAVE, LIKE,

BECKY WITH ME TODAY,
AND HE WOULD HAVE

A NOTEBOOK LIKE THIS
WITH JUST THREE PAGES IN IT.

THIS IS WHAT HE WOULD CARRY --
WHAT HE'D CARRY DURING WORK

HOURS AND FANTASIZE
ABOUT -- ABOUT THAT.

THESE TWO NOTEBOOKS HERE ARE
ALL FULL OF MODERN

AND IN MODERN TIME, I MEAN
THE MODERN INVESTIGATION,

THE 2004 INVESTIGATION,

BUT ALSO,
THEY GO WAY BACK TO

DOLORES DAVIS
AND THE OTERO CASE.

Relph: AND HE'S MADE
MULTIPLE FLASH CARDS OF,

UH, DIFFERENT KINDS
OF TORTURE.

OBVIOUSLY,
WOMEN IN BINDING HAS ALWAYS

BEEN A HUGE PART
OF HIS FANTASY.

THESE ARE ALL SHRUNK DOWN
FROM THIS WHOLE PIECE

OF PAPER HERE, AND HE EITHER
TAPED OR GLUE-STICKED

TO THE -- TO THE ACTUAL
INDEX CARD.

Peters: HE WOULD HAVE
ADVERTISEMENTS FROM MAGAZINES

OR CATALOGS OF WOMEN
FROM MAGAZINES

HE CARRIED AROUND WITH HIM
AND CALLED THEM SLICK ADS --

SLICK ADS.

HE EVEN GETS A THRILL OUT OF
PICTURES OF WOMEN IN BRAS?

Relph: NONE OF THIS IS
EMBARRASSING OR --

THIS IS ALL ENTERTAINMENT.

THESE ARE ALL THINGS
THAT MAKE HIM FEEL GOOD.

HE WOULD SAVE BOOKS,

AND HE -- AND HE WOULD
ACTUALLY PUT LITTLE

POST-IT NOTES WHERE THE BOOKS
WOULD -- WOULD MENTION HIM.

HE HAD PHOTOS OF HIMSELF.

HIS POLAROID HAD
A REMOTE CONTROL,

SO HE COULD
TAKE HIS OWN PICTURE.

[ FLASHBULBS POPPING ]

HE WAS TAKING THE 1970s
AND '80s VERSION OF SELFIES.

HE TOOK PICTURES OF HIMSELF,

UM, HANGING
FROM THE SEWER PIPE

IN HIS OWN BASEMENT
OR HIS MOTHER'S BASEMENT.

HANGING FROM TREES,
BEING BURIED IN THE GROUND.

A LOT OF PICTURES OUTSIDE.

THE ONES OUTSIDE,
HE SAID HE DID

WHILE ON SCOUT TRIPS.

Otis:
THE DELORES DAVIS MASK,

WE BEGAN TO SEE
IN SOME OF HIS POLAROID PICTURES

THAT HE WOULD WEAR
DURING HIS SELF-BONDAGE.

AND YOU CAN SEE
IN THESE PHOTOS,

HE DRESSES IN
WOMEN'S CLOTHING.

IN FACT, THERE ARE SOME IN HERE
WHERE HE WAS ACTUALLY DRESSED

IN ONE OF HIS VICTIM'S CLOTHING

THAT SHE WAS WEARING
WHEN HE KILLED HER.

THE BONDAGE HE USED
ON HIS OWN VICTIMS

UM, THROUGH THE YEARS, UM,

WAS PATTERNED AFTER WHAT
HE LIKED TO DO TO HIMSELF,

OR VICE VERSA.

BUT YOU CAN SEE
IN SOME OF THESE

SOME TYPE OF BONDAGE
ABOVE THE KNEES.

IT REALLY DOESN'T SERVE
ANY PURPOSE

TO TIE SOMEONE UP
SIMPLY ABOVE THE KNEES.

THEY CAN STILL KICK AND RUN
AND TRY TO GET AWAY.

BUT THIS WAS A SIGNATURE,
AND HE LIKED THAT.

HE LIKED TO SEE IT.

HE LIKED TO SEE IT
ON HIS VICTIMS.

HE LIKED TO SEE IT
ON HIMSELF.

[ FLASHBULB POPPING ]

Gouge: BUT THESE ARE WHAT HE
WOULD CALL HOTEL ROOM PARTIES.

HE WOULD GET
TO A HOTEL ROOM,

AND THEN HE WOULD
CLEAR OUT THE WHOLE AREA.

HE WOULD SET UP DOLLS.

HE WOULD SET UP
THESE DISPLAY OF MAGAZINES.

HE HAD ALL OF
THESE SEXUAL ISSUES.

ALL OF THE THINGS THAT
WE FOUND WERE JUST DISGUSTING.

DENNIS RADER,
UNLIKE MOST SERIAL KILLERS,

USED ROLE MODELS.

HE STARTED, AS A TEENAGER, TO
BECOME FASCINATED WITH TRUE

DETECTIVE MAGAZINES,
AND ONE OF THE EARLY ONES

FEATURED PHOTOGRAPHS OF
MODELS WHO HAD BEEN TIED UP BY

A SERIAL KILLER
NAMED HARVEY GLATMAN.

AND BECAUSE THEY'D
BEEN BOUND WITH ROPE,

WHICH WAS A SEXUAL FETISH THAT
WAS DEVELOPING FOR RADER AT

THE TIME, UM,
THIS CAUGHT HIS ATTENTION.

IF SOMETHING IS VERY AROUSING
AND MAKES YOU FEEL ALIVE,

THAT THING IS -- YOU'RE GOING
TO WANT TO REPEAT THAT OVER

AND OVER IN MORE AND MORE
INTENSE SITUATIONS.

AND THEN THE KILLING, IN PART,
WAS TO ELIMINATE WITNESSES.

Otis: HE WANTED TO KNOW
WHY HE DID WHAT HE DID,

WHAT CAUSED HIM
TO BE THE WAY HE WAS.

BUT IT WASN'T OUT OF REMORSE.
HE JUST WANTED TO KNOW.

HE'S NEVER HONESTLY
SHOWN ANY REMORSE.

I THINK REMORSE TO HIM
IS A CONCEPT.

I DON'T THINK
IT'S A REALITY.

Otis: ANY INVESTIGATOR
IN THE UNITED STATES

THAT HAS TO DEAL
WITH A CASE LIKE THIS

WILL TELL YOU,
IT STICKS WITH YOU FOREVER.

♪♪

Narrator: DENNIS RADER'S
MOTHER LODE OF EVIDENCE

AGAINST HIMSELF CONTINUES
TO SHOCK INVESTIGATORS.

ONE OF THE MOST DISTURBING
THINGS THAT WAS FOUND WAS

PHOTOGRAPHS
THAT HE TOOK OF VICTIMS,

ESPECIALLY THE ONES OF --
OF MARINE HEDGE.

HE TOOK MRS. HEDGE'S BODY
TO OUR CHURCH,

AND THEN, UH, DRESSED HER UP
AND TOOK POLAROIDS OF HER.

THAT WAS REALLY HARD
FOR ME TO HEAR.

THERE'S MARINE HEDGE,
AND SHE'S WEARING HIGH HEELS

AND A GARTER BELT,

AND -- AND IN ANOTHER PICTURE,
SHE'S IN A DIFFERENT POSE.

Davis: WHAT COULD BE WORSE
THAN TO PIOUSLY PRETEND

EVERY SUNDAY THAT YOU'RE THIS
EXAMPLE OF CHRISTIANITY?

YOU CAN BE THE WORST FORM
OF SOCIAL SEWAGE THAT EVER

CREPT OUT FROM UNDER A ROCK.

BUNDY DIDN'T STOOP THAT LOW.

GACY DIDN'T -- YOU NAME THEM,
I DON'T KNOW ANY THAT TOOK IT

SO FAR AS TO STICK THEIR FIST
IN GOD'S FACE AND SAY,

HEY, LOOK AT THIS,
SEE HOW FUNNY I AM?

HM.

AND I REMEMBER BEING SCARED
AFTER MRS. HEDGE WENT MISSING

AND WAS MURDERED, AND AGAIN,
HIM SAYING, "IT'S OKAY,

KERRI, YOU'RE SAFE."

Kelly: AT THE TIME
THAT BTK WAS ACTIVE,

THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM WAS
THAT SERIAL KILLERS CAN'T STOP,

BUT THERE WERE LONG PERIODS
OF TIME

WHERE HE WASN'T HEARD FROM.

LOOKING BACK, IT IS EASY TO SEE
THAT THE TIMELINE

MATCHES UP WITH THE BIRTHS
OF HIS TWO CHILDREN.

HE APPARENTLY JUST
HAD HIS HANDS FULL

AS THE FATHER
TWO YOUNG CHILDREN.

Otis: DENNIS RADER'S SON
WAS IN THE NAVY

AT THE TIME OF
DENNIS'S ARREST.

I ASKED HIM, "WAS THERE EVER
A TIME WHERE

"YOUR FATHER WOULD SEE
A REALLY PRETTY GIRL

"WALK BY AND SAY, 'HEY,

SON, THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL GIRL
OR LOOK AT HER CHEST,'"

AND HE LOOKED AT ME,
AND HE SAID, "DETECTIVE,

"NOT ONLY DID
MY FATHER NEVER SAY THAT,

"BUT HAD I SAID IT, HE'D HAVE
PUNCHED ME RIGHT IN THE MOUTH.

HE HAS NOTHING
BUT RESPECT FOR WOMEN."

Hatteberg: HE HAD
SO MANY ASPECTS TO HIS LIFE.

JUST WHEN YOU THINK YOU'VE
HEARD EVERYTHING,

YOU HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING.

THAT WAS THE THING ABOUT BTK.

THAT WAS THE THING
ABOUT DENNIS RADER.

HE WAS KIND OF THE GIFT
THAT JUST KEPT ON GIVING,

BUT WHAT HE GAVE,
NOBODY WANTED.

Ramsland: RADER HAS CALLED
HIMSELF A NARCISSIST,

BUT IT'S FUNNY,
BECAUSE IT DEPENDS

ON WHICH SIDE OF
THE CUBE HE'S ON

WHEN YOU ASK HIM A QUESTION.

SO IF YOU WANTED
TO ASK HIM IF HE,

YOU KNOW, PRAYED
AND BELIEVED IN GOD,

IF HE WAS IN THE MOOD
TO SAY YES,

THEN HE WOULD, BUT THERE
WOULD BE DAYS WHERE HE'D, LIKE,

THAT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME.

PERSONALLY, I THINK
PSYCHOPATHS LIE ALL THE TIME,

SO A SELF-ASSESSMENT IS
PRETTY WORTHLESS.

Woman:
TODAY, POLICE CONFIRMED IT --

THE MAN THEY CALL THE BTK
STRANGLER IS IN CUSTODY.

THE BOTTOM LINE --
BTK IS ARRESTED.

[ CHEERING AND APPLAUSE ]

Foulston: PEOPLE CLAPPING
AND APPLAUDING,

AND THEY WERE JUST
SO EXCITED THAT THIS 30-YEAR

NIGHTMARE WAS OVER,
AND THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT

FIGURED IT OUT.

PEOPLE WERE RELIEVED TO KNOW
THAT SOMEBODY WHO HAD STRUCK

SO MUCH FEAR INTO THE CITY WAS
FINALLY BEHIND BARS.

Hatteberg: ALL OF
THE BIG-TIME ANCHORS WERE HERE.

ALL OF THE BIG-TIME REPORTERS
WERE HERE,

EVERY MAJOR
TELEVISION NEWS SHOW.

GOOD EVENING, I'M CAROL LIN
FROM THE CNN CENTER IN ATLANTA.

STRAIGHT AHEAD THIS HOUR,
THE SUSPECTED BTK KILLER.

A BIG DAY IN
YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS.

DID -- DID
THE POLICE ASK YOU...

IT SEEMED LIKE
THE WORLD COULDN'T

GET ENOUGH INFORMATION
ON THIS CASE.

[ INDISTINCT TALKING ]

Lamunyon: SO IT WAS
A MAJOR EVENT FOR OUR CITY,

FOR OUR STATE,
FOR OUR COUNTRY,

AND FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT
EVERYWHERE.

I WAS DEFINITELY IN
AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF SHOCK.

Man:
THE LIST OF BTK'S VICTIMS...

Rawson: I WAS SEEING THESE,
YOU KNOW,

PHOTOS OF MURDERED WOMEN
AND CHILDREN AND THESE SKETCHES

AND HEARING HIS VOICE
ON THE RECORDING.

Rader: YOU WILL FIND...

THE MEDIA STARTED SHOWING UP
AT OUR APARTMENT COMPLEX,

AND MY HUSBAND'S LIKE,
"WE JUST GOTTA GET YOU HOME."

I FLEW INTO KANSAS CITY,
AND MY MOM WAS WAITING

WITH MY AUNT AND UNCLE.

MY MOM WAS SOBBING, LIKE, I LAID
DOWN IN HER BED WITH HER,

AND I JUST KEPT SAYING, LIKE,
"I'M SORRY, MOM. I'M SORRY."

WHEN I WAS AT MY AUNT'S
AFTER MY FATHER'S ARREST,

SHE WAS CHECKING HER MESSAGES,

AND WE HEARD MY DAD'S RECORDED
VOICE SAYING,

"HELLO, IS ANYONE THERE?
CAN YOU PICK UP?"

Rader: IF YOU'D COME SEE ME,
I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

I WAS SCARED OF THE VOICE

AND THE PERSON BEHIND IT
ON THE ANSWERING MACHINE.

MY MOM HAD SAID FROM EARLY ON,
IT FELT LIKE MY DAD DIED

UM, ON FEBRUARY 25 --
MY DAD WAS DEAD.

Narrator:
AFTER SEVERAL MOTION HEARINGS,

DENNIS RADER
EVENTUALLY PLEADS GUILTY.

THE JUDGE ORDERS HIM TO
RECOUNT HIS CRIMES IN COURT,

WHICH HE DOES
IN BLOOD-CHILLING DETAIL.

Rader:
WELL, IT WAS PART OF MY, UH,

I GUESS MY
WHAT YOU'D CALL FANTASY.

THESE PEOPLE WERE SELECTED.

Hatteberg: I WAS ABSOLUTELY
STUNNED AS HE STARTED TALKING

ABOUT EACH ONE OF THE MURDERS,
BECAUSE HE TALKED ABOUT

KILLING PEOPLE AS IF
YOU WOULD TALK TO

SOMEONE TAKING IN
YOUR LAUNDRY OR BUYING

A DOZEN DONUTS --
CASUALLY AND CAREFREE

AND WITH BASICALLY NO EMOTION.

I, UH, STRANGLED MRS. OTERO,
AND SHE WENT OUT,

OR PASSED OUT -- I THOUGHT
SHE WAS DEAD, SHE PASSED OUT.

Hatteberg: HE HAD NO EMPATHY
FOR THESE VICTIMS.

THE ONLY THING HE WAS
CONCERNED ABOUT WAS SATISFYING

WHATEVER DEMON WAS CONTROLLING
HIM, AND BOY,

THAT DEMON DID CONTROL HIM.

AFTER THAT,
MRS. OTERO WOKE BACK UP.

I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT
HOW MY FAMILY HAD DIED

UNTIL HE DID
HIS CONFESSION.

HE SAID THAT MY MOTHER SAID
THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY GOD

FORGIVE YOU
FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING,

AND IT BROKE MY HEART TO
HEAR THAT MY MOM HAD SAID

THESE THINGS
TO A MAN WHILE SHE'S --

HE'S KILLING HER FAMILY
IN FRONT OF HER.

AT THAT POINT IN TIME,
STRANGLED HER

FOR THE DEATH STRANGLE
AT THAT TIME.

Rawson: HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN
CAUGHT AFTER THE OTEROS.

IF HE HAD BEEN CAUGHT

THEN, LIKE, MY BROTHER
AND I WOULDN'T BE ALIVE,

BUT I WOULD BE OKAY WITH
THAT, BECAUSE THAT MEANS,

LIKE, SIX OTHER PEOPLE
WOULD STILL BE ALIVE.

♪♪

Narrator: IN AUGUST 2005,
DENNIS RADER'S

SENTENCING HEARING BEGINS.

DISTRICT ATTORNEY NOLA FOULSTON
IS DETERMINED TO BRING

THE FULL DEPTH OF
HIS MALIGNANCY TO LIGHT.

Foulston:
THIS BECAME VERY NECESSARY

TO HAVE A PUBLIC TRIAL.

..PRESS IS STILL...

IN OTHER INSTANCES
AROUND THE COUNTRY,

FOR EXAMPLE,
THE GREEN RIVER KILLER,

THEY JUST WENT IN THERE,
AND THEY CHARGED HIM,

AND THEY TRIED -- THEY TRIED
HIM, AND HE PLED AND --

AND HE WENT TO PRISON, AND
NOBODY HEARD A WORD ABOUT IT.

I SAID, YOU KNOW,
WE'RE NOT DOING THAT HERE.

WE NEED TO SHOW EXACTLY WHAT
HE'S DONE AND WHY HE DESERVES

THE PUNISHMENT
THAT HE'S GONNA GET.

INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE PREDATORS,

WHO ARE PEDOPHILES,
WHO ARE ANTI-SOCIAL AND GETTING

ERECTIONS OVER LOOKING
AT A DRAWING ON A TABLE,

JUST ARE NOT BUILT LIKE
THE REST OF US AND NEED TO BE

PUT SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY DON'T

GET CRAYONS
AND WHERE THEY DON'T GET PAPER

AND WHERE
THEY DON'T GET NEWSPAPERS

SO THEY CAN CLIP OUT
PICTURES OF LITTLE GIRLS

IN THEIR UNDERWEAR SO THAT
THEY CAN LICK THE BATHING SUITS

OFF OF THEM FOR THEIR OWN
SEXUAL PLEASURES.

ALL OF THE OFFICERS
TESTIFIED ABOUT EACH

OF THEIR CASES
AND WHAT HAD HAPPENED.

ALL OF THE FAMILIES
WERE THERE.

THEY SAT AND LISTENED
EVERY DAY TO THAT TRIAL.

EVERYTHING WAS
REVEALED TO THEM.

Otero: I WAS GOING THERE WITH
THE IDEA OF GETTING MY HANDS

ON HIM.

I WAS GOING TO
SHANK HIM IF I COULD.

Rawson:
EARLY ON, MY FAMILY

FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT
TO LET THEM

GO TO COURT AND FOR MY FAMILY
NOT TO BE THERE.

THIS IS A STRESS BALL
THAT IS "LIFE IS GOOD."

MR. RADER TOLD YOU
THAT HE WOULD USE THAT

TO ENHANCE HIS GRIP?
-Landwehr: YES, MA'AM.

Foulston: THE FAMILIES GOT UP
TO SPEAK AND TALK

ABOUT WHAT A PIECE OF
CRAP HE WAS,

AND IF IT MADE THEM FEEL GOOD,

THEY SHOULD DO IT.

A SON'S LOVE
FOR HIS MOTHER WOULD

NOT ALLOW DENNIS RADER
TO TARNISH HER MEMORY.

THE LESSONS I LEARNED
FROM MY FATHER

AND MOTHER TRANSCEND THE EVIL
DOINGS OF DENNIS RADER.

Bright: MY SISTER
AND THE OTHER VICTIMS --

THEY DIDN'T GET TO LIVE
THEIR LIVES OUT, AND, UH,

WHEN HE STANDS BEFORE THE LORD
FOR ETERNITY FOR

HIS JUDGMENT,

HE WILL SPEND IT
BY HIMSELF IN DARKNESS.

MY NAME IS FRED FOX,

THE OLDER BROTHER OF
NANCY FOX.

PSHEW.

WE MISS HER VERY MUCH.
WE LOVE HER.

THIS MONSTER

TOOK HER LIFE.

MY MOTHER IS VICKI WEGERLE.

I'M SPEAKING TO YOU TODAY ON

BEHALF OF MYSELF
AND MY BROTHER, BRANDON.

IT'S BEEN
ALMOST 19 YEARS NOW

THAT MY BROTHER AND I
HAD THE MOST

IMPORTANT WOMAN IN OUR LIVES
TAKEN FROM US.

MY MOTHER BEGGED FOR HER LIFE,

YET HE SHOWED NO REMORSE.

DON'T LET THIS MONSTER
HAVE ANY COMFORTS

AS HE LIVES OUT HIS REMAINING
YEARS IN PRISON.

HE ISN'T WORTHY.

Davis:
FOR THE LAST 5,326 DAYS,

I HAVE WONDERED WHAT IT WOULD BE
LIKE TO CONFRONT

THE WALKING CESSPOOL

THAT TOOK MY MOTHER'S
PRECIOUS LIFE.

BEAR IN MIND, THOUGH,
THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME

THAT I HAD EVER BEEN
IN THE PRESENCE

OF THAT SCUM.

I HAD WORKED LITERALLY
FOR SIX MONTHS ON

HONING THAT VICTIM'S IMPACT
STATEMENT TO RAZOR SHARPNESS.

EVERY WORD HAD
A SPECIFIC INTENDED PURPOSE,

WHICH WAS TO SKEWER HIM.

FROM THIS POINT ON,
WE DECLARE OUR INDEPENDENCE

FROM YOUR TYRANNY OF
YOUR ACTIONS -- WHILE YOU BEGIN

YOUR SLOW AND PAINFUL
DESCENT INTO HELL,

WE WILL CHOOSE TO RISE
ABOVE OUR PAIN.

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

Relford:
I'D JUST LIKE FOR HIM TO

SUFFER FOR
THE REST OF HIS LIFE.

UH, THAT'S ALL.

Narrator: FINALLY, AFTER
TWO AWFUL DAYS OF TESTIMONY,

DENNIS RADER IS ALLOWED TO
MAKE A STATEMENT TO THE COURT.

YOUR HONOR, SEDGWICK COUNTY,
VICTIMS,

I DO YOU REALIZE THAT
THE CRIMES I'VE COMMITTED...

Otero: ALL THE FAMILIES
HAD AGREED TOGETHER

THAT WHEN HE OPENED UP
HIS MOUTH, WE WERE WALKING OUT,

AND WE DID.

AND THE ATROCIOUS CRIMES
I'VE COMMITTED AS CONTINUED

TO SEDGWICK COUNTY
AS A MONSTER.

SO HE STARTS
TELLING THE JUDGE

ABOUT, YOU KNOW,
IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT

TO BE A SERIAL KILLER.

I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE
REALLY -- UH, YOU KNOW

ANYTHING ABOUT SERIAL KILLERS,

BUT I'M GONNA TELL YOU --
HE DIDN'T CARE.

HE DIDN'T CARE.

HE JUST HAD TO GET
THE LAST WORDS IN.

IT WAS LIKE,
"TODAY'S MY DAY TO SHINE."

WE SPEAK OF A MAN
AS AN EVIL MAN.

A DARK SIDE WAS THERE,

BUT NOW, I THINK LIGHT

IS BEGINNING TO SHINE.

I THINK HE WAS
A LITTLE CONFUSED,

WHETHER HE WAS BEING SENTENCED
OR WHETHER HE WAS ACCEPTING

A -- AN ACADEMY AWARD.

JOSEPH OTERO WAS
IN THE AIR FORCE.

I WAS IN THE AIR FORCE.

HE WAS A HUSBAND,
I WAS A HUSBAND.

HE COMPARED HIMSELF
TO HIS VICTIMS.

JOSEPHINE WAS A LITTLE GIRL.
HE HAD A LITTLE GIRL.

KATHRYN BRIGHT,
SHE SPENT TIME AT

HER GRANDPARENTS' FARM --
WELL I DID, TOO, AS A KID.

NANCY FOX -- SHE WAS
A WONDERFUL YOUNG LADY.

MARINE HEDGE --
SHE WAS A NEIGHBOR.

A GARDENER --
I LOVE TO GARDEN FLOWERS.

DELORES DAVIS.

SHE LOVED ANIMALS,
AND I WORKED AS ANIMAL CONTROL.

PEOPLE WERE HORRIFIED THAT
HE TRIED TO HUMANIZE HIMSELF.

IT WAS DUBBED THE GOLDEN
GLOBES AWARDS SPEECH,

BECAUSE IT WAS SO SELF-SERVING
AND SO, UM,

SO FOCUSED ON HIMSELF.

JULIE OTERO WAS
A LOT LIKE MY WIFE.

JOSEPHINE...

[ SIGHS ]

SHE LOOKED AT LOT LIKE
MY DAUGHTER AT THAT AGE.

LIKE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO FEEL
BAD FOR THIS PIECE OF [BLEEP]

BECAUSE HE JUST --
BECAUSE HE GOT CAUGHT

FOR KILLING 10 PEOPLE.

SO THERE WAS A RAPPORT --
I'VE ALWAYS HAD

A GREAT RESPECT FOR
LAW ENFORCEMENT,

ALTHOUGH I WORE A BLACK HAT
INSTEAD OF A WHITE HAT.

Rawson: AND HE'S, LIKE, THANKING
THE DETECTIVES AND THANKING

THE LAWYERS AND THANKING
THE COMMUNITY,

AND THAT'S WHEN I SHUT DOWN.

SO TO HAVE
THE DEDICATION,

LIKE MR. LANDWEHR FOR ALL
THOSE YEARS, IS GREAT.

SO I THINK SEDGWICK COUNTY
REALLY HAS A GOOD POLICE FORCE.

THEY WERE A BUNCH OF
GREAT GUYS.

PEOPLE WILL SAY
I'M NOT A CHRISTIAN,

BUT I BELIEVE I AM.

I FACED UP
TO THE MAN HIMSELF NOW.

I THINK THAT ALL
POINTS TO ACCOUNTABILITY.

AND THEN, AT THE END,
FOR, LIKE, ABOUT 20 SECONDS,

HE TALKED ABOUT REMORSE,
BUT EVEN THEN, HE SAID,

"REMORSE IS A CONCEPT,"
THEN HE QUOTED THE BIBLE.

THIS IS JOHN 8:12 --

"I AM THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD.

"HE WHO FOLLOW ME SHALL NOT WALK
IN DARKNESS

BUT HAVE LIGHT OF LIFE."

AND I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE,
YOU KNOW -- YOU KNOW,

YOU WANT TO QUOTE THE BIBLE,
SO CAN I.

"IF YOU DO EVIL, BE AFRAID,

FOR WE DID NOT BEAR
THE SWORD IN VAIN."

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Narrator: NONE OF DENNIS RADER'S
MURDERS OCCURRED WHEN

THE DEATH PENALTY WAS LAW
IN KANSAS.

SO ON AUGUST 18, 2005,
HE IS HANDED

10 CONSECUTIVE
LIFE SENTENCES.

Lamunyon: THAT WAS THE STRONGEST
SENTENCE THE JUDGE

HAD AT HIS DISPOSAL.

HE COULDN'T HAVE DONE
ANYTHING ELSE.

Otis: LIEUTENANT LANDWEHR
BROUGHT THE FAMILIES IN

ONE AT A TIME AND SPENT

A LOT OF TIME ANSWERING
ANY QUESTIONS THEY HAD,

AND I THINK THAT HELPED,
BUT THEY'LL NEVER HAVE JUSTICE.

ON THE OTHER HAND,
IT'S JUSTICE

AGAINST DENNIS RADER,
BECAUSE DENNIS RADER NOW

LIVES IN
AN EIGHT-BY-EIGHT CELL.

HE GETS ONE HOUR OUT A DAY
IN A FENCED-IN AREA.

NOBODY LISTENS TO HIM ANYMORE.

NOBODY'S AFRAID
OF HIM ANYMORE.

HE CAN'T
SHOCK PEOPLE ANYMORE.

Relph: HE'S GETTING
TO PONDER EVERY DAY

THE LOSS OF HIS FAMILY
AND THE SELFISHNESS THAT IT TOOK

TO TAKE THOSE OTHER PEOPLE'S
FAMILY MEMBERS.

I WAS A LITTLE DISCOURAGED,

UNHAPPY, THEY ALLOWED HIM
TO HAVE A TELEVISION.

I WISH HE WOULD BE
SUFFERING MORE.

I WANTED THE DEATH PENALTY
FOR HIM, BUT NOT FOR HIM

TO BE PUT DOWN,

BUT FOR HIM TO LIVE THAT LIFE
ON DEATH ROW, BECAUSE THAT'S

A LOT, UM, HARDER LIFE ON DEATH
ROW THAN IT IS IN POPULATION.

Narrator: LIKE EVERY JOURNALIST,
LARRY HATTEBERG WRITES

TO DENNIS RADER IN PRISON,
HOPING FOR AN INTERVIEW.

IT TURNS OUT THE KILLER
IS A LONG-TIME FAN.

WE HEAD JUST SOUTH OF
ELLSWORTH, KANSAS,

TO THE PRAIRIE DANCER
TURKEY FARM.

IT'S MORNING, AND THE DAY
IS JUST BEGINNING.

"HATTEBERG'S PEOPLE" WAS
A LOCAL SERIES THAT I DID

FROM 1974 TO 2014,
AND WHAT IT WAS

WAS A UNIQUE LOOK AT KANSANS
FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE.

WELL, DENNIS RADER WAS
A FAITHFUL WATCHER

OF THIS SERIES,

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, ONE DAY,
I GET A LETTER BACK FROM BTK.

HE INDICATED THAT YOU COULD
DO A STORY ABOUT A GUY

IN LAW ENFORCEMENT IN A SMALL
MIDWESTERN CITY WHO REALLY DID

A LOT OF GOOD THINGS
FOR THE COMMUNITY,

MEANING I COULD DO A STORY ON
BTK BEFORE ANYBODY KNEW

HE WAS BTK,

BUT I HAD TO WRITE BACK TO HIM
AND TELL HIM,

MR. RADER,

I CAN'T DO A STORY LIKE THAT,
BECAUSE THE FACT THAT

YOU KILLED 10 PEOPLE

TENDS TO NEGATE ANY GOOD
YOU EVER DID IN YOUR LIFE.

THEN, ALL OF A SUDDEN

ON A SATURDAY MORNING,
THE PHONE RANG.

[ PHONE RINGING ]

AND THE OPERATOR SAID,

WOULD I ACCEPT A CALL
FROM DENNIS RADER?

AND THE ANSWER WAS, "YES."

I HAD 30 YEARS OF QUESTIONS
FOR 20 MINUTES.

I JUST REMEMBER, LIKE,
BEING SO TICKED AT HIM

FOR, LIKE, SUCH RIDICULOUS B.S.
COMING FROM HIS MOUTH.

HE COMMITTED THESE CRIMES.
HE KNEW HE COMMITTED THEM.

HE COULD HAVE TURNED HIMSELF
IN AT ANY TIME,

AND HE DIDN'T.

I'VE SAID IT MANY TIMES
IN MANY WAYS --

DENNIS RADER IS LIKE A COBRA,
FASCINATING TO WATCH,

BUT IF YOU GET TOO CLOSE,
HE'LL KILL YOU.

MY WIFE'S GONE ON
AND DIVORCED.

SHE'S TRYING TO STAY OUT OF
HARM'S WAY.

UH, SINCE MY KIDS ARE AWAY,

I DON'T GET MUCH LETTERS
OR ANYTHING FROM THEM,

BUT THEY'RE -- THEY'RE BASICALLY
SUPPORTIVE.

NARCISSISTIC PEOPLE
WHO ARE PREDATORS,

THEY THINK THEY CONTROL
THEIR WORLD,

AND AS A RESULT, THEY DEVELOP
SOMETHING WE CALL

NARCISSISTIC IMMUNITY.

I'M TOO SPECIAL TO BE CAUGHT.

I'M TOO SKILLED.
I'M TOO IMPORTANT.

I'M NOT GONNA GET CAUGHT,

AND THAT'S HOW
HE THOUGHT ABOUT IT.

HE WAS JUST HAVING FUN,

AND HE REALLY THOUGHT HE WAS
DEVELOPING A RELATIONSHIP WITH

THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THAT
THEY WERE HAVING FUN, TOO.

WELL, WE HAD A GOOD RAPPORT.

I ALMOST FELT LIKE THEY WERE
MY BUDDIES -- AT ONE TIME,

I ASKED ABOUT LAMUNYON MAYBE
COMING IN AND HAVING

A CUP OF COFFEE WITH ME.

Ramsland: ONE OF HIS FANTASIES
WAS TO BE A SORT OF

JACK THE RIPPER, THAT HE WOULD
END UP NEVER GETTING CAUGHT.

PEOPLE WOULD ENDLESSLY
SPECULATE ABOUT WHO HE WAS,

AND IN THE END,

BECAUSE HE WAS GOING TO PUT IT
ALL INTO A SAFE DEPOSIT BOX,

THEY WOULD KNOW DENNIS RADER
WAS THE BTK KILLER,

BUT BY THAT TIME,
HE'D BE DEAD, SO HE WOULD HAVE

GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT.

Woman: TAKE A GOOD LOOK.

THIS IS LIKELY THE LAST TIME

YOU'LL EVER SEE
THE SERIAL KILLER AGAIN.

THE DAY WE AIRED
HIS TRIP TO PRISON LIVE.

I'M GETTING CHILLS JUST
TALKING ABOUT IT.

WHEN THEY LED HIM
INTO THE PRISON,

THIS HUGE, HUMONGOUS WEIGHT
WAS LIFTED FROM

THE SHOULDERS OF EVERY WOMAN
IN THE WICHITA AREA.

IT'S FINALLY OVER.

NOT OVER
FOR THE VICTIMS' FAMILIES,

BUT IT'S OVER
FOR ALL OF US WHO HAVE

BEEN TORMENTED BY THIS MAN
FOR SO MANY YEARS.

Lamunyon: WE'RE NOT HAPPY THAT
IT TOOK 30 YEARS TO CATCH

THE INDIVIDUAL,
BUT WE'RE VERY,

VERY PLEASED KNOWING THAT
AT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY,

WE DID THE ABSOLUTE

BEST WE COULD DO
WITH THE EVIDENCE

AND THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAD
AVAILABLE TO US.

THE IMPACT THAT IT HAD IN
LAW ENFORCEMENT BOTH LOCALLY

AND AROUND THE WORLD --

IT'S A POSITIVE THING
FOR ALL FUTURE INVESTIGATORS.

Gouge:
PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW,

I COULDN'T WAIT TO
GO TO CHURCH

TO TRY TO WASH SOME OF
THAT EVIL OFF OF ME.

IT WAS AN EXPERIENCE THAT
I WAS LUCKY TO HAVE,

BUT NOT ONE I'D WISH ON ANYONE.

Relph: IT WAS A TRIUMPH OF
DEDICATED LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT

THANKFULLY I WAS HERE FOR
THE TRIUMPHANT PART OF IT.

Producer:
SO TELL US ABOUT KEN LANDWEHR.

UM...

[ SNIFFLES ]
WASN'T EXPECTING THAT ONE.

SINCE BTK RESURFACED IN MARCH,

WE'VE RECEIVED MORE THAN
2,000 TIPS.

Foulston: KENNY LANDWEHR WAS
A WONDERFUL MAN.

I'D SAY THAT
TO HIS FACE.

HE'S NOT HERE
WITH US ANYMORE.

JUST LOVE HIM DEARLY.

IT WAS KENNY LANDWEHR'S PLAN
THAT BROUGHT THE END RESULT,

AND THAT IS THE ARREST
OF BTK.

KENNY LANDWEHR'S
STRATEGY WAS SOLID.

IT WORKED OUT BEAUTIFULLY.

Otis: HE WAS

AN ICON ON THE WICHITA POLICE
DEPARTMENT, AND HE WAS

ONE OF THE FINEST PEOPLE
I EVER KNEW,

AND SHORTLY AFTER HE ANNOUNCED
HIS RETIREMENT,

HE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH CANCER
AND DIED,

UM, MONTHS LATER.

BUT THANK THE LORD THAT
WE CAUGHT DENNIS RADER

BEFORE KENNY PASSED,

BECAUSE THAT PUT
THE FINAL BOW ON

AN AMAZING POLICE CAREER.

♪♪

Otero: AS A CHRISTIAN,
I'M SUPPOSED TO FORGIVE,

BUT I CAN'T FORGIVE HIM
FOR WHAT HE DID.

ONE PART OF ME WANTS TO LEARN
HOW TO FORGIVE.

THE OTHER PART OF ME WANTS TO
PULL HIS HEAD OFF HIS NECK.

YOU KNOW?

♪♪

Kelly: AT THE END OF
THE BOOK PROJECT,

I WAS DONE.

MY -- MY HEALTH WAS WRECKED.

UM, IT WAS AFFECTING
MY MARRIAGE,

AND I ENDED UP LEAVING THE
NEWSROOM, LEAVING JOURNALISM.

IT TRULY WAS THE STORY OF
A LIFETIME,

BUT IT TOOK A REAL
PERSONAL TOLL.

EVEN AS WE LEFT THE COURTROOM,
I THINK, I HOPE,

A LOT OF US FELT THAT, YOU KNOW,
MAYBE WE CAN MAKE IT.

YOU KNOW,
MAYBE ALL IS NOT LOST.

MAYBE WE CAN LIVE OUR LIVES
IN A WAY

THAT IS A TRIBUTE
TO THE ONE WE LOST.

WE CAN MEMORIALIZE THEM
THROUGH US AND THROUGH

WHAT WE DO TO BETTER
THE WORLD AROUND US,

AND WHILE THAT DOESN'T
BRING BACK

WHOEVER WE'VE LOST,
AND THAT PAIN DOESN'T GO AWAY,

AND IT NEVER WILL,

IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO LET
THEM LIVE ON THROUGH

SOMETHING THAT'S BIGGER THAN
THEM AND SOMETHING THAT'S BIGGER

THAN US, AND MAYBE THAT'S

THE BIGGEST LESSON THAT
I'VE LEARNED THROUGH IT ALL.

Rawson: TOOK ME A LONG TIME
TO BE ABLE TO SAY,

THIS IS MY DAD.
THIS IS WHAT HE DID.

THIS IS WHO I AM,

AND I'M NOT GONNA
LET THIS DEFINE ME,

BUT I DO NEED
TO TALK ABOUT IT.

AND I WANTED TO HELP OTHERS
WHO ARE --

HAVE SURVIVED ABUSE AND LIVE

WITH PTS AND ANXIETY
AND DEPRESSION,

AND I WANTED THEM
TO KNOW THAT,

YOU KNOW, NO MATTER WHAT
THEY'VE GONE THROUGH,

THEY CAN GET THROUGH IT
AND THAT WE'RE SURVIVORS.

I FOUND OUT I WAS PREGNANT, AND
I STARTED THINKING ABOUT THAT

MY MOM WAS PREGNANT WITH ME

WHEN MY DAD MURDERED NANCY FOX
IN DECEMBER OF '77.

WHEN MY DAUGHTER WAS FIVE,
SHE STARTED SAYING, LIKE,

YOU KNOW, "I HAVE ONE GRANDPA,
BUT SHOULDN'T I HAVE

TWO GRANDPAS?"

I FINALLY SAID,
"I HAVE A DAD,

BUT MY DAD'S IN PRISON,"
AND SHE'S LIKE, "WELL,

WHAT'S PRISON?"

AND I WAS LIKE,
"WELL, IT'S LIKE

A REALLY LONG TIMEOUT
FOR ADULTS."

SO WE'VE SLOWLY, AS THEY'VE
GROWN UP, YOU KNOW,

TRY TO GENTLY TELL THEM,

LIKE, GRANDPA'S IN PRISON
THE REST OF HIS LIFE.

THEY KEPT BOTHERING ME,
LIKE, WHAT DID --

WHAT DID YOUR DAD DO?
WHAT DID YOUR DAD DO?

AND FINALLY, I SAID,
DAD HURT SOME PEOPLE.

IN DECEMBER OF 2012,
I FELT LIKE

FORGIVENESS JUST WASHED
OVER ME.

LIKE I KNEW THAT I HAD
FORGIVEN MY FATHER,

AND I SAT DOWN THAT NIGHT,
AND I WROTE HIM,

AND I WROTE, LIKE, SIX LONG
PAGES ABOUT MY LIFE

AND MY FAMILY AND EVERYTHING
HE WAS MISSING,

ALL ABOUT HIS GRANDKIDS
AND WHAT,

LIKE, WHAT WE DO WITH THEM
IN OUR LIFE,

AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM,
I WROTE, "I'M NOT EVER GONNA

"UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'VE DONE,

"BUT I FORGIVE YOU FOR WHAT
YOU'VE DONE TO ME

"AND MY FAMILY.

AND I LOVE YOU, AND I HOPE TO
SEE YOU IN HEAVEN SOME DAY."

HE WROTE ME BACK, AND SINCE
THEN, WE'VE BEEN BETTER IN

COMMUNICATION THROUGH LETTERS.

I DIDN'T THINK
I WAS GONNA SURVIVE THIS,

AND, UH, LIKE,
WITHOUT MY FAITH

AND WITHOUT MY HUSBAND
AND THE REST OF MY FAMILY,

I WOULDN'T BE HERE.

I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW
WHAT IT'S LIKE

TO BE A DAUGHTER
OF A SERIAL KILLER.

I MEAN, IT'S MY FATHER,
AND I MISS HIM.

SO I WOULD LIKE...

I WOULD LIKE...

I MEAN, I WISH NONE OF THIS
HAD HAPPENED AND I HAD MY DAD,

BUT I DON'T, SO THERE'S
NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT.

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