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There is some evidence to suggest
that Hayley... was strangled.
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DCI Stuart,
Hayley was a friend of mine.
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I was supposed to be doing
a cleaning job,
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Hayley did the job for me.
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It was in a holiday rental.
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I'd forgotten
that's who we let it to.
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He does that quiz show on the BBC.
James Hollis.
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Just give me ten minutes,
I'm not feeling 100%.
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Dad, this is not about the past.
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Or, at least, not the past
you're talking about.
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I love you.
I love you, too.
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Tim, it's your word against hers.
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I pretended to go out.
I just heard him go for her.
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I don't believe
I ever lost my temper.
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I'd appreciate having somebody here.
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They took money
I had for a deposit on a flat.
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I do think you should consider
opening a bank account.
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No. No. No. No. No bank accounts.
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I would feel very lucky to be able
to help you grow stronger.
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There'll be money
in the joint account tomorrow.
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Mr Carr sold my father a cash ISA.
We want to cancel it.
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I can't see any paperwork here.
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Mr Hollis, we wondered
if you had five minutes, please,
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to help us with a case
we're investigating.
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I will need my lawyer present.
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Els, it's Dad again.
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They've come about her.
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♪ All we do is hide away
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♪ All we do is
All we do is hide away
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♪ All we do is lie and wait
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♪ All we do is
All we do is lie and wait
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♪ I've been upside down
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♪ I don't wanna be
The right way round
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♪ Can't find paradise
On the ground. ♪
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Oh, shit!
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Oh, you...
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Dad!
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Dad!
Yeah?
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Morning.
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Blimey! Are you all right?
You left a pan on.
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Me? No.
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Yeah, I walked in
and it was burning.
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Is that your porridge?
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This was off when I left.
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Right. Well, I've, like,
literally just walked in.
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So...
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Well, it's still under warranty.
I'll get in touch with the company.
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I'm sorry. If I knew anything,
I'd tell you, Mr Hollis.
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You know I would.
I do. But if you do hear anything,
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tell him I need to speak to him.
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Tell him it's really urgent.
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And, so, in the end,
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the case really came down to
one person's word against another's.
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And in this instance,
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we feel bound to consider Dr Finch's
many years' exemplary practice
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and his reputation
as a hard-working, generous
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and trustworthy GP.
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And as such, we find
we do not uphold the complaint.
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I heard him. He might sit there now
looking like butter wouldn't melt,
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but he's got another side to him.
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Yeah, you look embarrassed, mate.
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You should, cos you're a disgrace!
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Guv...
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Yeah?
He is here...
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'Peter, its Mark Harper.
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'Kate and I can find no record
of any paperwork
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'relating to an ISA
in the name of Salthouse
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'and I need to know today
how a three-grand cheque from him
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'has been cashed.
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'So you really need to call me.'
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There.
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OK, er...
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..I'm going to change
all of your settings
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so that only your friends
can comment.
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What does it make them feel
when they say those things?
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I doubt very much
they feel anything at all, Mum.
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Cos they're messed up.
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And that, that isn't about Dad
or about you or Hayley.
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It's about them.
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It's just a mirror people hold up
to themselves to shout at.
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I wanted, if I may, erm,
to ask you about a house you rented
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in Middenham, in December 1999,
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which I believe...
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..was an eight-bedroom house.
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Yes, I can't remember specifically
but, yes, it was big.
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There were a bunch of us.
Three other families?
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Yes, although,
for the first few days,
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there were only me and three mates.
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Erm, our wives and kids
joined us on New Year's Eve.
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Right.
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It was primarily a golfing break.
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Oh, OK.
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Erm, and what were their names,
please, the men?
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Tim Finch.
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Chris Lowe.
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Pete Carr.
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And are they all still around?
Yep.
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Still friends?
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Yes, we were at school together,
so it's a long connection.
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And the families, erm, can you
give me details of those people?
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Tim was there
with his first wife Derran
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and their, er... two little girls.
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Pete was single at that time,
so on his own.
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And Chris Lowe was with his first
wife Laura and their little girl.
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And your wife?
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Yes, my wife Mel
and our little boy Eliot.
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Are you two still together?
No.
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I remarried a few years ago.
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Oh.
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So, this is a photo of Hayley Reid.
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Do you recognise her?
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Yes.
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And is that just from the papers?
Sorry, where is this heading?
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SHE SIGHS
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We're just trying to corroborate
evidence from another witness,
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who thinks Hayley might have cleaned
the house you rented.
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I have no recollection of that.
You never saw her there?
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No.
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I mean, we were out most days,
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but, hey, this story was huge
and her photo was all over the TV.
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So, if she had cleaned our house
and any of us had have seen her,
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then I think someone would have
mentioned something. Absolutely.
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When did you return to London,
Mr Hollis?
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Erm, when the rental ended,
which would be...
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..perhaps, er,
around the second or third.
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And you drove back up
with your wife and child? Yes.
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How did they got down there
on the 31st?
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Train. I picked them up
from a nearby station.
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OK. And this is the last question.
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Erm... what did you all get up to
on the Millennium evening?
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Erm...
Well, as I remember, we, er...
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..we had a meal in the house,
all together.
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Then, I think the, erm...
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..the children stayed up a bit,
till about nine or ten.
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I think the adults watched a movie
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and then all went to bed
after Big Ben.
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Is that all of you?
As I recall, yes.
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And then no-one went out again
for the rest of the night?
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No.
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OK.
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That's it.
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Thank you.
Thank you very much for your time.
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Sorry...
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You said you guys met at school.
Yes.
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Where was that,
the school you went to? Finchley.
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Right. And you all, erm...
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..lived round that area?
Within a couple of miles, yes.
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OK, thanks again.
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Well, I think we want
to know more about four guys
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who grew up
half a mile from her grave.
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I think we do.
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Hollis, you wanker.
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Shit!
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And this sort of sized garden
is very unusual
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for a flat in this part of the city.
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It's also west-facing, so...
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Anyway, have a natter
and I'll be outside if you need me.
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Thank you.
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He's never had a garden
with grass before.
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You like it.
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I think it's perfect.
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What?
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There's a "but" coming.
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But...
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..if we're going to be
properly together...
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..I need to know who you are, Chris.
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Who I am?
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How does someone like you, so...
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..brilliant, so lovely...
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..end up like you have?
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How does that happen?
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So we had two key leads
that I believed
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were potentially significant,
but were never resolved.
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St Matthew's C of E,
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which was burgled at some
point that New Year's Eve,
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with about five grand's worth
of 18-century silverware
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taken from a locked cupboard
in the vestry.
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Blood smears were retrieved on
some smashed glass into the vestry,
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but there were no matches
with anyone on our database.
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The church
is about halfway between The Swan
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and Hayley's parents'
original house.
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And one possible theory was that
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she saw something after
she left work,
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she went to investigate and
ran into the burglar or burglars.
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Certainly, I believe
it's worth following up again.
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And then a black car,
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which was seen driving
very erratically on the road
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between The Swan and her house
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at approximately 12:25,
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maybe 15 minutes after we know
she left the pub.
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No reg or make,
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but the witness thought
it was a black four-door saloon
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with a tow bar.
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Oh, and it's worth mentioning that
the weather was very bad that night,
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with heavy rain
from about 11 o'clock onwards
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and very poor visibility.
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That's it.
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So John will be available
for the rest of the day,
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and then on the phone,
at any point, for any questions.
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But given what he's just told us,
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I suggest DNA swabs should be taken
from any suspects we speak to.
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Thank you again, John.
That was very useful.
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So...
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..specific points of action.
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Fran, can you double-check
all these timelines, please,
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for Hayley's movements
on the night of her disappearance
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and the week before?
Boss.
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Murray, you take the witness
who saw this car. Yup.
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And, Jake, obviously,
the body was found in London
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and, given that new development,
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it's worth having another chat
with Adrian Mullery, I think. Guv.
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And following this morning's
interview with James Hollis,
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myself and DI Khan
will certainly be speaking
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to the other three male occupants
of The Spinney.
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OK, that's it. Thank you, everyone.
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That was great. Thank you again.
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Yeah. No problem.
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So are you heading back down tonight
or...?
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No. No, no, my kids
live with their mum in town,
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so I'm going to stick around, spend
some time with them for a few days.
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Right. How old are they?
21 and 20.
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Ah, same as mine. Boys or...?
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Two boys.
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Jinx.
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Hm!
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Er, anyway, I better go
and check into the hotel, so...
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Go for it. And we will speak soon,
I hope. Yeah, absolutely.
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John... Thanks for that.
That was great.
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Listen, er... if you're at
a loose end any evening,
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there's always a few of us
at The Enterprise,
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if you fancy a drink.
It's just opposite.
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Yeah, great. Cheers.
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I might take you up on that.
Good.
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All right, see you.
See you.
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See you.
Cheers.
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You're welcome.
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Oh!
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Hola, gordo conejo.
Hola, muy gordo conejo.
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How you doing?
Yeah, all good. You?
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Yeah, very well. I've just been
in Manchester on a work thing,
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driving back to Sussex now with Caz.
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Oh, right. Give her my love.
I will.
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But listen, very quickly,
I presume you've seen the news
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about the Hayley Reid case.
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Yeah, I did. It's very sad.
Oh, wasn't it?
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Anyway, the police are obviously
doing a general trawl
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for potential new witnesses.
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And they spoke to me this morning
about the house we rented.
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Right.
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Apparently they think
she may have been our cleaner. Wow!
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I said I couldn't recall us
having a cleaner
252
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and I certainly think one of us
would have noticed
253
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if it had have been her, given
the amount of coverage. Indeed.
254
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Anyway, the long and short is
255
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they're probably going to want to
speak to the whole gang of us, so...
256
00:15:18,900 --> 00:15:20,820
..I just thought
that I ought to let you know.
257
00:15:20,980 --> 00:15:22,220
Yeah, no worries.
258
00:15:22,420 --> 00:15:24,060
Obviously,
they're looking for people
259
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who may have seen something
that only now seems relevant.
260
00:15:28,060 --> 00:15:30,580
But I told them we all
stayed in the house that night,
261
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eating with our families, so...
262
00:15:33,020 --> 00:15:34,740
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
263
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I'll give Pete a bell and maybe
you could give Chris the heads up?
264
00:15:37,780 --> 00:15:38,780
Sure.
265
00:15:38,940 --> 00:15:40,700
And I've e-mailed some dates
for our meet-up.
266
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Oh, yeah, I saw. Erm...
267
00:15:42,780 --> 00:15:44,940
..I can do any of those.
Excellent!
268
00:15:44,980 --> 00:15:46,700
Speak soon, mate.
269
00:15:46,860 --> 00:15:48,340
Yeah, cheers, Jamie.
270
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Jamie sends his love.
271
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How is he?
272
00:15:55,420 --> 00:15:56,940
Oh, he's very well.
273
00:15:57,140 --> 00:15:59,980
He's just, er... trying to arrange
a get-together.
274
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The four amigos.
275
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That'll be nice.
276
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Yeah, it will.
277
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It's been too long. Much too long.
278
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Of course I remember.
279
00:16:11,860 --> 00:16:13,940
I was meant to have bought
the puddings and I forgot,
280
00:16:13,980 --> 00:16:16,540
so I legged it to the corner shop
and bought a load of Cornettos,
281
00:16:16,580 --> 00:16:18,540
which your ex
wasn't too happy about.
282
00:16:18,740 --> 00:16:21,660
Anyway, I just wanted to check that
you remembered it the same as I did.
283
00:16:21,820 --> 00:16:23,660
So, we're all ready for the 22nd.
284
00:16:23,860 --> 00:16:27,180
Chris has replied now so I'll book
a table and send you all a link.
285
00:16:27,380 --> 00:16:29,820
Just one quick thing before you go,
Jamie.
286
00:16:30,020 --> 00:16:32,340
Actually, I'm literally
just heading into a meeting, mate.
287
00:16:32,500 --> 00:16:34,100
Yeah, yeah, I'll be ten seconds.
288
00:16:34,260 --> 00:16:36,460
Jamie... I need a massive favour.
289
00:16:39,740 --> 00:16:41,580
I was married for, er...
290
00:16:41,740 --> 00:16:43,660
..12 years
291
00:16:43,820 --> 00:16:45,980
and I had... have, I have a daughter,
292
00:16:46,140 --> 00:16:47,620
Maya,
293
00:16:47,780 --> 00:16:50,220
who I last saw 17 years ago.
294
00:16:51,980 --> 00:16:55,100
My marriage ended early 2000.
295
00:16:57,020 --> 00:16:59,780
And because of some issues
that I had at the time,
296
00:16:59,940 --> 00:17:01,580
my wife Laura,
297
00:17:01,780 --> 00:17:04,540
she felt it was damaging for Maya
to be around that.
298
00:17:04,700 --> 00:17:07,260
And I'd run up some debts.
299
00:17:07,460 --> 00:17:11,020
So I went from living in
a nice house in Notting Hill to...
300
00:17:11,180 --> 00:17:13,060
..a one-bedroom flat in Acton...
301
00:17:14,700 --> 00:17:16,860
..and then a hostel and...
302
00:17:18,380 --> 00:17:20,300
..and then the streets.
303
00:17:20,460 --> 00:17:21,740
How long were you homeless?
304
00:17:23,580 --> 00:17:25,980
On and off for seven years.
305
00:17:26,140 --> 00:17:27,460
Oh, Chris...
306
00:17:28,700 --> 00:17:31,300
I'm so sorry.
307
00:17:31,500 --> 00:17:33,420
And you had no friends
who could have helped you?
308
00:17:33,460 --> 00:17:36,140
Yeah. Yeah. I had friends who would
have been desperate to help me.
309
00:17:36,340 --> 00:17:39,220
Yeah, but you have to want
to be helped. And I didn't.
310
00:17:39,420 --> 00:17:43,020
I hated myself. I thought I deserved
everything that happened to me.
311
00:17:43,180 --> 00:17:44,620
And your marriage...
312
00:17:45,860 --> 00:17:48,140
..the issues you mention?
313
00:17:48,300 --> 00:17:49,620
OK, so...
314
00:17:49,820 --> 00:17:52,860
..as you know,
I have bipolar disorder,
315
00:17:53,060 --> 00:17:55,940
which was undiagnosed at the time,
and so it was unmedicated,
316
00:17:56,100 --> 00:17:57,580
which meant that...
317
00:17:58,620 --> 00:18:02,060
..you know, my behaviour
was... challenging.
318
00:18:03,180 --> 00:18:05,340
And as soon as I started
costing my company money,
319
00:18:05,380 --> 00:18:07,540
it was inevitable
I'd be asked to step down.
320
00:18:11,140 --> 00:18:13,900
And that was
just not what she had married,
321
00:18:14,100 --> 00:18:16,460
an unemployed man
who had mental health issues.
322
00:18:18,380 --> 00:18:19,940
So she asked me to leave.
323
00:18:21,700 --> 00:18:23,100
And I did.
324
00:18:24,340 --> 00:18:27,140
And then, 18 months later,
she married a hedge fund manager,
325
00:18:27,340 --> 00:18:29,300
who bought her a house
in Holland Park, so...
326
00:18:32,540 --> 00:18:34,700
And then, in 2012...
327
00:18:36,100 --> 00:18:40,620
..Maya wrote to tell me that
Laura had died from breast cancer...
328
00:18:41,940 --> 00:18:43,940
..and to ask that I stay away
from the funeral.
329
00:18:45,580 --> 00:18:48,580
I thought about writing back,
and saying that I was better now,
330
00:18:48,740 --> 00:18:50,380
that I was a different person.
331
00:18:50,540 --> 00:18:51,860
And I am.
332
00:18:53,820 --> 00:18:55,380
But I think there comes a time
333
00:18:55,580 --> 00:18:57,580
when you have to accept
how things have turned out.
334
00:18:59,100 --> 00:19:01,740
That life can sometimes
simply be unfair.
335
00:19:02,980 --> 00:19:04,700
And to keep resisting that...
336
00:19:05,860 --> 00:19:08,300
..it takes so much energy, Mila.
337
00:19:09,700 --> 00:19:12,740
Energy that you need for the future.
338
00:19:28,660 --> 00:19:30,300
Love?
339
00:19:30,460 --> 00:19:32,020
In here.
340
00:19:33,420 --> 00:19:34,780
Hey, Pete.
341
00:19:35,900 --> 00:19:37,340
Hello, Mark.
342
00:19:37,500 --> 00:19:39,620
What a lovely lady your missus is.
343
00:19:41,100 --> 00:19:42,260
I was just about to call you.
344
00:19:42,460 --> 00:19:44,900
You're punching above your weight
there, buddy.
345
00:19:50,140 --> 00:19:51,540
Three grand.
346
00:19:51,700 --> 00:19:53,020
And my apologies.
347
00:19:54,780 --> 00:19:57,780
I was stressed about some deals
and screwed up the paperwork.
348
00:19:57,980 --> 00:20:01,500
I accidentally paid Salthouse's
cheque into my personal account.
349
00:20:01,660 --> 00:20:03,380
But, er...
350
00:20:04,700 --> 00:20:05,980
..there it is.
351
00:20:07,660 --> 00:20:08,980
All there.
352
00:20:14,540 --> 00:20:17,340
You know what we used to call
blokes like Pete, Maria?
353
00:20:19,300 --> 00:20:20,740
Filth.
354
00:20:21,940 --> 00:20:24,500
Failed in London, tried Hong-Kong.
355
00:20:24,700 --> 00:20:26,940
Bit of a Wild West out there,
wasn't it, mate?
356
00:20:27,140 --> 00:20:29,380
Attracted a very distinct
sort of person.
357
00:20:30,820 --> 00:20:32,580
I see you, buddy.
358
00:20:37,060 --> 00:20:39,500
Lovely to meet you, Maria.
I'll let myself out.
359
00:20:48,580 --> 00:20:50,020
I'm sorry about that.
360
00:20:54,900 --> 00:20:56,300
I need a shower.
361
00:20:58,580 --> 00:21:00,140
This isn't working, Pete.
362
00:21:01,580 --> 00:21:03,140
You and me.
363
00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:06,740
I'm sorry, but...
364
00:21:08,580 --> 00:21:10,740
..this just isn't what I thought
I was buying.
365
00:21:11,959 --> 00:21:13,399
It'll get better, babes.
366
00:21:15,460 --> 00:21:17,140
Trust me.
367
00:21:18,351 --> 00:21:20,631
I've got some really good business
coming in.
368
00:21:40,220 --> 00:21:43,720
Oh, I forgot to say, I've got
a couple of guests arriving.
369
00:21:44,065 --> 00:21:45,705
Can you show them in, please, Liz?
370
00:21:45,779 --> 00:21:46,885
Yes.
371
00:21:47,631 --> 00:21:49,231
Thanks.
372
00:22:01,781 --> 00:22:03,461
Adrian...
373
00:22:04,685 --> 00:22:06,525
Have you got five minutes?
374
00:22:21,340 --> 00:22:23,780
Well, obviously I recognise her,
375
00:22:23,839 --> 00:22:26,877
but I don't recall ever seeing her
at the house at any point.
376
00:22:27,564 --> 00:22:28,755
As Jamie said,
377
00:22:28,780 --> 00:22:31,924
if we had have seen her, we would
have discussed it at the time.
378
00:22:31,999 --> 00:22:34,279
It was a huge story.
Absolutely.
379
00:22:36,940 --> 00:22:38,460
Er, so...
380
00:22:38,660 --> 00:22:42,300
..Mr Hollis, he told us
that the four of you had gone down
381
00:22:42,500 --> 00:22:45,340
on your own, at first, to play golf.
Yes.
382
00:22:46,900 --> 00:22:51,954
And then your wife Derran
and your girls arrived on the 31st.
383
00:22:52,212 --> 00:22:53,315
Yes.
384
00:22:53,418 --> 00:22:55,698
And how old were they, the kids?
385
00:22:55,780 --> 00:22:59,140
Er, Claire would have been eight
386
00:22:59,300 --> 00:23:01,180
and Emma just turned ten.
387
00:23:01,380 --> 00:23:03,180
I'm sorry,
just to go back on one thing.
388
00:23:03,380 --> 00:23:07,260
New Year's, the kids
would have gone to bed at...?
389
00:23:07,420 --> 00:23:09,620
Er, nine, ten, maybe.
390
00:23:10,660 --> 00:23:13,780
And no-one went out after that?
Nope.
391
00:23:15,260 --> 00:23:17,420
What car where you driving
back then, Dr Finch?
392
00:23:18,860 --> 00:23:20,740
Erm...
393
00:23:20,900 --> 00:23:24,340
..I had my Audi in '99, I think.
394
00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:25,940
An A4.
395
00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:27,980
Sorry, was that the saloon or...?
396
00:23:28,180 --> 00:23:32,940
No, the estate. We needed
the space for holidays and stuff.
397
00:23:33,140 --> 00:23:36,620
To save faffing around with a
top box or a trailer or any of that.
398
00:23:37,740 --> 00:23:39,020
And what colour was it?
399
00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:41,820
Silver.
400
00:23:42,020 --> 00:23:46,340
And your wife and kids,
they went down by train?
401
00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:48,700
With Jamie's wife and son.
402
00:23:50,780 --> 00:23:54,020
And everybody headed back to London
on the 2nd? Yes.
403
00:23:56,180 --> 00:23:57,620
Did you all live in London then?
404
00:23:57,780 --> 00:23:59,780
All except Pete.
405
00:23:59,940 --> 00:24:01,700
He lived in Hong Kong.
406
00:24:05,500 --> 00:24:07,700
And your marriage to Derran,
that ended when?
407
00:24:10,420 --> 00:24:13,980
What relevance has
when my marriage ended to anything?
408
00:24:15,980 --> 00:24:19,060
Sorry. If any question
makes you feel uncomfortable,
409
00:24:19,220 --> 00:24:20,700
you don't have to answer.
410
00:24:20,860 --> 00:24:24,380
We separated in 2001.
411
00:24:24,540 --> 00:24:25,700
OK.
412
00:24:26,820 --> 00:24:29,780
And do you remember when Mr Hollis
and his wife separated?
413
00:24:29,940 --> 00:24:32,780
Same year, I think. Or maybe 2000.
414
00:24:32,940 --> 00:24:34,740
And Chris Lowe and his wife?
415
00:24:34,900 --> 00:24:37,420
Yeah, roughly the same time.
416
00:24:39,220 --> 00:24:41,180
And are you still in contact
with Derran,
417
00:24:41,340 --> 00:24:43,540
if we wanted to speak with her?
418
00:24:43,740 --> 00:24:45,540
I haven't seen Derran
for many years,
419
00:24:45,740 --> 00:24:47,900
but I can get a number from my kids,
if you need it.
420
00:24:47,940 --> 00:24:49,540
That would be very helpful,
thank you.
421
00:24:49,700 --> 00:24:52,620
Oh, I should just say that, er...
422
00:24:53,740 --> 00:24:58,940
..she's had a number of issues
over the last couple of decades,
423
00:24:59,100 --> 00:25:01,620
depression, anxiety and so, erm...
424
00:25:01,820 --> 00:25:04,100
..I'm not entirely sure
you'll find her
425
00:25:04,260 --> 00:25:05,780
the most reliable of narrators.
426
00:25:05,940 --> 00:25:06,940
OK.
427
00:25:07,980 --> 00:25:09,580
Well, thank you for that.
428
00:25:11,180 --> 00:25:13,180
And then, one last thing,
429
00:25:13,340 --> 00:25:15,660
and, er... I should say,
430
00:25:15,820 --> 00:25:17,380
do feel free to say no.
431
00:25:18,420 --> 00:25:21,260
But in order to help
eliminate you from our enquiries,
432
00:25:21,460 --> 00:25:23,740
how would you feel about
giving us a DNA swab?
433
00:25:24,980 --> 00:25:26,340
Yes, of course. No problem.
434
00:25:28,620 --> 00:25:32,460
So, if nobody went out after ten,
then it can't be them.
435
00:25:32,660 --> 00:25:35,460
I mean, we know Hayley
was seen alive at 12:10, so...
436
00:25:36,660 --> 00:25:38,340
Yeah, I think you're right.
437
00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:41,500
And if we're spinning our wheels
on these guys,
438
00:25:41,660 --> 00:25:43,460
I don't want to waste any more time.
439
00:25:43,620 --> 00:25:45,220
Let's take the last two separately.
440
00:25:46,340 --> 00:25:47,980
Hi, Dad, it's me.
441
00:25:49,060 --> 00:25:51,060
Look, I'm really sorry,
I'm going to be a bit late.
442
00:25:53,380 --> 00:25:55,500
Please... call me.
443
00:26:07,020 --> 00:26:09,700
How many times
have you been here before, Jamie?
444
00:26:09,860 --> 00:26:11,300
It'll be fine.
445
00:26:12,620 --> 00:26:14,620
You know,
the longer this goes on...
446
00:26:15,740 --> 00:26:17,300
..the more his problems...
447
00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:20,020
..consume him.
448
00:26:21,220 --> 00:26:25,460
The more you look at the paths we
took, the choices we made, I made...
449
00:26:26,740 --> 00:26:27,900
..and think...
450
00:26:29,420 --> 00:26:30,860
..was it then?
451
00:26:31,020 --> 00:26:32,900
Was it that choice...
452
00:26:33,060 --> 00:26:34,820
..or that choice...
453
00:26:34,980 --> 00:26:36,780
..that messed everything up?
454
00:26:36,940 --> 00:26:38,420
Was it then...
455
00:26:40,180 --> 00:26:41,780
..that I ruined my child's life?
456
00:26:49,620 --> 00:26:51,260
Call me.
457
00:27:04,980 --> 00:27:06,980
Sometimes, I just...
458
00:27:07,180 --> 00:27:08,500
Hi...
Hello.
459
00:27:08,700 --> 00:27:11,020
Gemma left some school books
at mine, I brought them round.
460
00:27:11,140 --> 00:27:13,900
And then she wanted to show me
her room. Right.
461
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:16,020
Lovely place, though.
Thank you.
462
00:27:17,740 --> 00:27:19,860
Anyway, I need to shoot off.
463
00:27:21,180 --> 00:27:23,340
Nice to see you.
And you.
464
00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:24,740
Bye, girls.
465
00:27:26,380 --> 00:27:28,540
Bye.
Bye.
466
00:27:32,860 --> 00:27:36,780
Yeah, well, you see, I'm from the
clip-round-the-ear-hole generation.
467
00:27:36,980 --> 00:27:39,580
I think he'd still like to,
to be honest. Oh, dear.
468
00:27:39,780 --> 00:27:41,500
And do you have children?
No!
469
00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:43,620
Never had the urge to be a mother.
470
00:27:43,820 --> 00:27:46,180
Wow. Smart move.
Tell me about it.
471
00:27:46,380 --> 00:27:48,340
They take so much from you,
don't they?
472
00:27:48,540 --> 00:27:51,260
Not sure I'd see it quite like.
Just, I'm too selfish, I think.
473
00:27:51,460 --> 00:27:53,340
Yeah?
Liked my career too much.
474
00:27:53,540 --> 00:27:56,700
I think, if you are going to have
children, you need to be around.
475
00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:00,260
Whoops.
Well, yes.
476
00:28:00,460 --> 00:28:04,140
I mean, an evening like tonight,
it's fine you letting us down,
477
00:28:04,340 --> 00:28:06,900
but how did you cope
when that was your kids,
478
00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:09,260
turning up two hours late
for supper?
479
00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:11,820
Oh, we, erm... muddled through.
480
00:28:14,220 --> 00:28:16,460
Anyway, Dad tells me
you're off to Venice at the weekend.
481
00:28:16,660 --> 00:28:20,420
I know. You should tell him
to stop spoiling me. I should.
482
00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:22,940
And first class, too.
483
00:28:24,060 --> 00:28:25,420
Venice?
484
00:28:34,940 --> 00:28:36,700
Right. Yeah.
485
00:28:38,500 --> 00:28:40,420
Funny. Very funny.
486
00:28:47,580 --> 00:28:49,740
Actually that's not quite
what I said.
487
00:28:49,780 --> 00:28:51,660
OK.
488
00:28:51,860 --> 00:28:54,500
I have it here, you said you
saw her leave just after midnight.
489
00:28:54,660 --> 00:28:56,140
No, I said she would have left
490
00:28:56,340 --> 00:28:57,900
just after her shift ended
at midnight.
491
00:28:58,060 --> 00:28:59,980
I never said I actually saw her.
492
00:29:00,140 --> 00:29:01,340
Right.
493
00:29:01,540 --> 00:29:04,020
Guy Halford, the manager,
he's the one who actually saw her.
494
00:29:05,380 --> 00:29:08,260
Sorry. And so what was the last time
you saw her?
495
00:29:08,420 --> 00:29:10,340
Just before 11.
496
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:12,940
I was working through till three
497
00:29:13,100 --> 00:29:14,620
and I took a half-hour break then.
498
00:29:14,820 --> 00:29:16,420
When Guy came back,
he put me in the bar
499
00:29:16,620 --> 00:29:19,780
and I just presumed that Hayley
was finishing up in the restaurant.
500
00:29:19,980 --> 00:29:23,740
And Guy Halford,
does he still live in Middenham?
501
00:29:46,900 --> 00:29:48,500
Hi.
Hi.
502
00:29:49,660 --> 00:29:52,940
I'm looking for Christopher Lowe.
503
00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:54,180
Hello.
504
00:30:05,100 --> 00:30:06,420
Go on...
505
00:30:07,700 --> 00:30:08,900
Stay there. Stay.
506
00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:23,260
Mr Carr?
Yeah.
507
00:30:26,140 --> 00:30:28,860
DI Sunny Khan.
Have you got five minutes?
508
00:30:38,300 --> 00:30:39,660
No, I'm...
509
00:30:39,820 --> 00:30:40,940
Sorry.
510
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:42,260
OK.
511
00:30:44,860 --> 00:30:46,540
Absolutely sure?
512
00:30:46,740 --> 00:30:49,980
Yeah.
You know who she is, though?
513
00:30:50,140 --> 00:30:51,980
Yeah. Of course, yeah.
514
00:30:52,180 --> 00:30:54,940
I mean, I never saw her
in that house.
515
00:30:56,460 --> 00:30:58,700
Are you OK, Mr Lowe?
Yeah.
516
00:30:58,860 --> 00:31:00,420
Yeah, I just...
517
00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:02,900
I don't cope with stress very well.
518
00:31:03,060 --> 00:31:05,380
Would you prefer to have someone
with you? No. No.
519
00:31:05,580 --> 00:31:08,220
No, I'm fine for now.
OK.
520
00:31:08,420 --> 00:31:10,620
So we're just asking everyone
we speak to
521
00:31:10,820 --> 00:31:13,780
a number of general questions
to help us with our enquiries.
522
00:31:13,980 --> 00:31:18,260
So, can you tell me
what car you were driving that week?
523
00:31:18,460 --> 00:31:20,220
I didn't take a car.
I went down with Tim.
524
00:31:21,620 --> 00:31:25,340
And then, did you and your family
travel back with him or...?
525
00:31:25,540 --> 00:31:27,860
My wife drove down
with our daughter
526
00:31:28,020 --> 00:31:29,500
and we went back in her car.
527
00:31:29,660 --> 00:31:30,900
Right.
528
00:31:31,060 --> 00:31:32,620
So what car was she driving?
529
00:31:33,740 --> 00:31:36,427
She would have been driving
the Maserati.
530
00:31:40,980 --> 00:31:42,300
Right.
531
00:31:56,900 --> 00:32:00,180
You know what?
I think I did see her at the house.
532
00:32:02,552 --> 00:32:04,992
Right. Are you sure?
533
00:32:05,043 --> 00:32:07,243
Yeah. Just one time, but, er...
534
00:32:07,740 --> 00:32:09,900
..she's got a distinctive face,
I guess.
535
00:32:09,940 --> 00:32:11,970
I think that was her.
OK.
536
00:32:12,582 --> 00:32:14,062
Was that on your own or...?
537
00:32:14,097 --> 00:32:16,618
Erm, I'd come back
from a round early.
538
00:32:16,670 --> 00:32:19,626
I was still a bit jet-lagged, so
I went back to the house for a kip.
539
00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:22,820
Er, when I walked in,
she was there, hoovering.
540
00:32:23,020 --> 00:32:26,371
I said hello and asked if there
was anything else she could do,
541
00:32:26,418 --> 00:32:27,818
cos of the noise.
542
00:32:27,994 --> 00:32:29,473
What day would this have been?
543
00:32:29,498 --> 00:32:30,550
Oh...
544
00:32:30,785 --> 00:32:34,152
I'd have to check a calendar.
Do you know when it was rented from?
545
00:32:34,180 --> 00:32:35,270
Yeah.
546
00:32:35,295 --> 00:32:36,295
Er...
547
00:32:37,780 --> 00:32:39,180
..Monday the 27th.
548
00:32:39,380 --> 00:32:43,140
Monday. Well, we arrived
in the evening, I remember that.
549
00:32:43,340 --> 00:32:45,300
I think we just chilled
the next day,
550
00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:47,300
had a couple of bevvies
in the local
551
00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:49,260
and played our first round
the day after.
552
00:32:49,420 --> 00:32:52,060
So I'm thinking the Wednesday.
553
00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:56,500
Just to go back to the conversation
with her,
554
00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:59,100
was it just about the hoovering,
was it? Yeah.
555
00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:02,340
When I woke up, the other lads
were back and she'd gone.
556
00:33:02,540 --> 00:33:05,020
And you didn't discuss this
with any of the others?
557
00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:08,140
Discuss what?
558
00:33:09,540 --> 00:33:11,460
That this girl...
559
00:33:12,900 --> 00:33:15,460
..who later went missing, had been
in the house you all rented.
560
00:33:15,620 --> 00:33:17,220
No.
561
00:33:17,420 --> 00:33:20,260
I mean, I drove back to London
on the 2nd
562
00:33:20,460 --> 00:33:23,300
and then flew out to Hong Kong
first thing the next day, so...
563
00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:26,460
This was a big story?
564
00:33:27,820 --> 00:33:31,180
It was huge. It was in all
the national newspapers for weeks.
565
00:33:31,380 --> 00:33:33,860
Right, well, I had no idea
about that.
566
00:33:36,140 --> 00:33:39,540
And her photo being on the front
pages the last couple of days.
567
00:33:39,740 --> 00:33:42,940
Work's been pretty crazy. I haven't
had time to look at the papers.
568
00:33:44,180 --> 00:33:48,140
I'm sorry, but the first I've ever
heard of this girl is, er... now.
569
00:33:50,820 --> 00:33:53,660
I suppose one of us
would have cooked
570
00:33:53,860 --> 00:33:55,780
and then all of us,
with kids, I mean,
571
00:33:55,940 --> 00:33:57,540
would have eaten together.
572
00:33:57,700 --> 00:33:59,180
And that was a pleasant evening?
573
00:33:59,380 --> 00:34:01,300
Yeah.
Everyone had a nice time?
574
00:34:01,343 --> 00:34:03,236
Yeah, we had a nice time.
Why do you ask that?
575
00:34:03,260 --> 00:34:04,780
Well, just...
576
00:34:04,831 --> 00:34:09,631
Because Christmas and New Year
can be quite stressful, can't it?
577
00:34:09,980 --> 00:34:12,540
And I understand your marriage
broke down not long after.
578
00:34:12,575 --> 00:34:14,098
What has that got to do
with anything?
579
00:34:14,123 --> 00:34:15,856
Well, I wondered
if that was in any way
580
00:34:15,935 --> 00:34:18,775
connected to something
that happened on this break.
581
00:34:19,146 --> 00:34:21,906
You know, I think I do,
I do need someone with me.
582
00:34:21,942 --> 00:34:24,254
Mm. And I can arrange that.
Of course.
583
00:34:24,279 --> 00:34:26,122
But can you answer that question,
please?
584
00:34:26,147 --> 00:34:29,848
Because I'm aware that, of
the three of you that were married,
585
00:34:30,231 --> 00:34:33,254
all of you were separated
within the year.
586
00:34:33,340 --> 00:34:36,220
No, that was, that was,
that was nothing to do with anything
587
00:34:36,247 --> 00:34:37,751
that happened on that break.
588
00:34:37,776 --> 00:34:38,856
So...
589
00:34:40,272 --> 00:34:41,392
Sure.
590
00:34:42,857 --> 00:34:44,119
Who's that?
591
00:34:45,721 --> 00:34:50,180
That's my girlfriend and her son.
I want to stop now, please.
592
00:34:50,770 --> 00:34:52,330
One more thing.
593
00:34:56,020 --> 00:34:58,300
Lastly, we're asking everyone
that we speak to
594
00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:01,380
how they'd feel about
providing a DNA swab.
595
00:35:02,187 --> 00:35:04,187
Entirely voluntary of course.
596
00:35:04,729 --> 00:35:06,129
How would you feel about that?
597
00:35:07,015 --> 00:35:08,455
Not a problem.
598
00:35:08,591 --> 00:35:10,111
Good. It won't take a minute.
599
00:35:17,837 --> 00:35:19,980
Mr Mullery, DC Jake Collier.
600
00:35:20,008 --> 00:35:22,036
Have you got five minutes
for a quick chat, sir?
601
00:35:22,060 --> 00:35:23,380
Now, you'll have my home address,
602
00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:25,660
but you decided to come here
because you thought what?
603
00:35:25,700 --> 00:35:27,180
That I'd be embarrassed
604
00:35:27,380 --> 00:35:29,740
and gratefully duck into some
car so no-one saw?
605
00:35:29,940 --> 00:35:32,100
I just want to ask
a few quick questions, sir.
606
00:35:32,140 --> 00:35:34,140
So a couple of hours ago,
the head suggested
607
00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:35,740
that maybe I should take some leave.
608
00:35:35,820 --> 00:35:38,300
Some of the parents have been
uncomfortable with the situation.
609
00:35:38,460 --> 00:35:40,900
And, of course, I could refuse
because she has no legal right.
610
00:35:40,940 --> 00:35:43,380
But do you know what?
I have spent the past 18 years
611
00:35:43,580 --> 00:35:45,940
telling people
that I wasn't even charged,
612
00:35:46,140 --> 00:35:47,700
that not one single piece
of evidence
613
00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:49,620
could ever be found
to incriminate me,
614
00:35:49,780 --> 00:35:51,700
that the lead detective retired
615
00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:54,220
just before a misconduct case
could be brought against him.
616
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:56,540
So I am knackered
617
00:35:56,740 --> 00:35:59,940
and I'll take the paid break,
thank you very much.
618
00:36:00,100 --> 00:36:01,340
But what it also means
619
00:36:01,540 --> 00:36:03,700
is that I am not remotely
fucking embarrassed, mate.
620
00:36:04,780 --> 00:36:07,340
I'm not remotely embarrassed
to stand here
621
00:36:07,540 --> 00:36:10,980
and tell you loudly,
no, I will not talk to you.
622
00:36:11,140 --> 00:36:12,620
I will not sit in a car or a room
623
00:36:12,820 --> 00:36:15,020
or anywhere with you,
voluntarily, ever.
624
00:36:15,220 --> 00:36:18,020
And if you want to arrest me,
be my guest.
625
00:36:18,220 --> 00:36:20,820
But I'll not say
another fucking word to you.
626
00:36:20,980 --> 00:36:22,500
Not even, "No comment."
627
00:36:22,660 --> 00:36:24,780
Because I think the police are scum.
628
00:36:24,820 --> 00:36:27,500
I think you lie.
I think you break the law.
629
00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:29,460
I think you take bribes
and you sell stories.
630
00:36:29,540 --> 00:36:33,420
But worse than that,
most unforgiveable of all,
631
00:36:33,580 --> 00:36:35,860
I think you're thick.
632
00:36:36,060 --> 00:36:38,740
I think your ranks are made up
of dim-witted mediocrity
633
00:36:38,940 --> 00:36:40,820
who joined the force
because they want power
634
00:36:41,020 --> 00:36:43,300
but they're too stupid
to get employed anywhere else.
635
00:36:44,660 --> 00:36:47,420
So... shame on you...
636
00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:50,460
..for the way you treated me...
637
00:36:52,820 --> 00:36:55,860
..for letting Hayley down
so... catastrophically.
638
00:36:57,500 --> 00:37:00,660
And shame on you, DC Jake Collier...
639
00:37:02,260 --> 00:37:04,180
for becoming a police officer.
640
00:37:15,780 --> 00:37:17,460
And how sure did he seem?
641
00:37:17,660 --> 00:37:19,660
Pretty sure.
It was an instinctive reaction.
642
00:37:19,860 --> 00:37:22,100
I don't think he was recognising her
from the newspapers.
643
00:37:22,220 --> 00:37:24,380
So this definitively places her
in the house,
644
00:37:24,420 --> 00:37:27,340
possibly with all four men, before
the wives and kids arrived? Yeah.
645
00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:29,620
What was he like otherwise?
646
00:37:30,740 --> 00:37:31,860
Odd.
647
00:37:32,020 --> 00:37:33,180
An odd mixture.
648
00:37:34,260 --> 00:37:36,980
I mean, I guess you've got to ask,
why would he be telling me
649
00:37:37,180 --> 00:37:39,476
that he saw Hayley in the house
if he had something to hide?
650
00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:40,820
But...
651
00:37:41,020 --> 00:37:44,220
But when I asked him
if he'd give a DNA swab,
652
00:37:44,420 --> 00:37:47,020
he slightly looked like
he'd just shat himself.
653
00:37:49,620 --> 00:37:51,500
What's his background?
654
00:37:51,660 --> 00:37:53,100
Er...
655
00:37:54,660 --> 00:37:57,540
Lived and worked in Hong Kong
for 25 years.
656
00:37:57,740 --> 00:38:01,140
Only married for the first time
six years ago.
657
00:38:02,420 --> 00:38:04,820
No previous convictions,
at least not here.
658
00:38:04,980 --> 00:38:06,140
Ah...
659
00:38:06,340 --> 00:38:08,260
Drove down to Middenham
on a motorbike.
660
00:38:08,460 --> 00:38:12,140
Do we have a response
from James Hollis about his car yet?
661
00:38:12,340 --> 00:38:14,820
I'll chase that.
Er, how was your man?
662
00:38:16,380 --> 00:38:17,660
So, erm...
663
00:38:18,740 --> 00:38:20,460
He lives in a camper van.
664
00:38:20,620 --> 00:38:21,740
Oh.
665
00:38:21,940 --> 00:38:26,140
I'd say he's definitely had
some mental health issues,
666
00:38:26,180 --> 00:38:28,340
looks like he hasn't got
a pot to piss in.
667
00:38:28,380 --> 00:38:30,660
Except, in 1999,
668
00:38:30,820 --> 00:38:34,100
he was CEO of DDM Lowe,
669
00:38:34,260 --> 00:38:38,060
his own advertising agency.
670
00:38:38,260 --> 00:38:41,140
And this is a guy who got
a double first from Cambridge,
671
00:38:41,340 --> 00:38:44,500
was basically a bit of a genius
through his life,
672
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:47,780
lived in a five million quid house
in Notting Hill.
673
00:38:48,860 --> 00:38:50,500
Wow. When did he leave?
674
00:38:50,660 --> 00:38:51,940
Early 2000.
675
00:38:53,020 --> 00:38:55,260
"To pursue new challenges."
676
00:38:55,460 --> 00:38:56,940
What, like,
how to live in a car park?
677
00:39:00,820 --> 00:39:02,260
DCI Stuart.
678
00:39:02,420 --> 00:39:05,220
Hello, I'm just returning your call.
679
00:39:05,420 --> 00:39:08,340
It's Mel Hollis here.
I'm James Hollis' ex-wife.
680
00:39:08,540 --> 00:39:10,940
Ah, Mrs Hollis.
Yeah, thanks for returning my call.
681
00:39:13,980 --> 00:39:15,580
No, it wasn't a pleasant evening.
682
00:39:15,780 --> 00:39:17,940
What it was
was a train wreck.
683
00:39:17,980 --> 00:39:19,380
In what way?
684
00:39:20,740 --> 00:39:23,460
Look the meal was fine,
we ate, we cleared up,
685
00:39:23,660 --> 00:39:26,060
the kids were knackered,
it'd been a long day getting there,
686
00:39:26,220 --> 00:39:27,900
so they went to bed about 9:30.
687
00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:30,940
Which was good.
That they were in bed, I mean,
688
00:39:31,140 --> 00:39:35,860
because they didn't have to see
Chris go completely nuts,
689
00:39:36,060 --> 00:39:38,220
for want of a better word.
How do you mean?
690
00:39:38,260 --> 00:39:40,460
Out of the blue,
he just started ranting
691
00:39:40,660 --> 00:39:43,900
about his life,
his marriage, his friends...
692
00:39:45,220 --> 00:39:48,860
..how it all meant nothing,
how everything was an illusion.
693
00:39:49,060 --> 00:39:51,860
It was quiet terrifying.
Wow, yeah, I can imagine.
694
00:39:52,020 --> 00:39:54,500
And, so... what did people do?
695
00:39:54,700 --> 00:39:58,060
Well, I mean, we all tried
to calm him down, obviously,
696
00:39:58,220 --> 00:40:00,380
particularly Laura his wife.
697
00:40:00,580 --> 00:40:03,540
But he was flailing his arms
and shouting and...
698
00:40:04,820 --> 00:40:07,540
To be honest,
we were all quite relieved
699
00:40:07,740 --> 00:40:09,740
when he then just suddenly
walked out.
700
00:40:09,940 --> 00:40:11,300
Of the house?
Mm-hm.
701
00:40:11,500 --> 00:40:14,300
And went where?
I don't know.
702
00:40:16,180 --> 00:40:17,500
Had he been drinking?
703
00:40:17,660 --> 00:40:19,100
Well, he'd had a few.
704
00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:21,300
We'd all had a few.
It was New Year's Eve.
705
00:40:22,460 --> 00:40:23,620
Anything else?
706
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:27,500
Someone might have bought some coke.
707
00:40:27,700 --> 00:40:29,420
I don't know,
maybe he'd had a bit of that.
708
00:40:31,780 --> 00:40:33,060
OK.
709
00:40:33,220 --> 00:40:34,500
So who was taking coke?
710
00:40:35,980 --> 00:40:38,140
Not me.
Not any of the women, actually.
711
00:40:38,180 --> 00:40:39,660
Tim Finch?
712
00:40:39,860 --> 00:40:42,260
Definitely not, no.
He never did that.
713
00:40:42,420 --> 00:40:45,660
Pete, no, he was more of a drinker.
714
00:40:45,820 --> 00:40:47,620
James... yes.
715
00:40:47,820 --> 00:40:51,180
In fact, I think it was him
that probably bought it.
716
00:40:51,340 --> 00:40:54,700
When Chris went out of the house,
717
00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:57,620
what time would that have been?
I don't know.
718
00:40:57,820 --> 00:41:00,860
Just after ten, I guess.
And did anyone go after him?
719
00:41:01,020 --> 00:41:03,380
Yeah, after a minute or two...
720
00:41:03,540 --> 00:41:05,940
..er, James and Tim.
721
00:41:06,140 --> 00:41:08,300
Did they catch up with him?
No.
722
00:41:08,340 --> 00:41:11,060
No, Chris came back on his own
about an hour and a half later.
723
00:41:11,220 --> 00:41:12,700
He was absolutely drenched.
724
00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:14,660
I mean, it was raining hard
at this point
725
00:41:14,860 --> 00:41:17,020
and his clothes
were covered with mud
726
00:41:17,060 --> 00:41:19,420
and he went straight upstairs
to bed.
727
00:41:19,620 --> 00:41:22,180
No explanation, no apology, nothing.
Right.
728
00:41:22,340 --> 00:41:23,700
Where was Pete Carr at this point?
729
00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:26,060
Pete had been out
since right after the meal,
730
00:41:26,260 --> 00:41:28,740
trying his luck at the pub.
Trying his luck?
731
00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:30,260
The ladies.
732
00:41:31,660 --> 00:41:33,300
He got back just after midnight.
733
00:41:33,500 --> 00:41:35,660
On his own?
Mm-hm.
734
00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:37,180
And pissed.
735
00:41:37,380 --> 00:41:40,140
And your husband and Dr Finch?
The same.
736
00:41:40,340 --> 00:41:43,100
No, they got back
just before midnight.
737
00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:45,300
Just in time for Auld Lang Syne,
bless.
738
00:41:45,460 --> 00:41:47,460
Were they separate or together?
739
00:41:49,620 --> 00:41:50,940
I can't remember.
740
00:41:52,620 --> 00:41:54,580
And what happened then?
741
00:41:54,780 --> 00:41:57,180
The guys went to bed,
the women stayed up
742
00:41:57,380 --> 00:41:59,540
and talked about
our car crash marriages.
743
00:41:59,580 --> 00:42:00,580
OK.
744
00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:04,780
This is really important, Ms Hollis,
so...
745
00:42:06,060 --> 00:42:08,060
..I want you to think
very carefully, please.
746
00:42:09,180 --> 00:42:13,820
Did you see anyone go out again
after that?
747
00:42:13,980 --> 00:42:15,020
No.
748
00:42:16,100 --> 00:42:17,620
No-one went out again after that.
749
00:42:22,260 --> 00:42:23,660
You sound very certain.
750
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:27,700
Firstly, I sat up talking
to Laura and Derran
751
00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:30,900
till about three o'clock
in the morning, and then...
752
00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:33,980
I wasn't going to sleep with James
that night, so I slept on the sofa.
753
00:42:34,180 --> 00:42:36,780
Except, I didn't, really.
Sleep, I mean.
754
00:42:36,980 --> 00:42:39,220
So that meant I would have seen
if anyone had gone out.
755
00:42:39,380 --> 00:42:40,740
And they didn't.
756
00:42:43,980 --> 00:42:45,300
Right.
757
00:42:47,180 --> 00:42:48,420
Fuck.
758
00:42:48,620 --> 00:42:51,260
The last sighting of her was after
they were all back in the house.
759
00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:55,660
So she could be lying.
Yep.
760
00:42:55,860 --> 00:42:58,500
Or mistaken. Maybe she did sleep
and one of them came down
761
00:42:58,700 --> 00:43:00,500
at four or five or whatever
and then went out.
762
00:43:00,660 --> 00:43:03,540
Except, if one of them came down
at four or five,
763
00:43:03,740 --> 00:43:06,580
went out then and killed her,
where...
764
00:43:06,780 --> 00:43:09,620
..where was Hayley between leaving
the pub at 12:10 and four or five?
765
00:43:11,420 --> 00:43:13,580
No, that feels wrong.
Yeah, maybe.
766
00:43:13,620 --> 00:43:14,980
But not as wrong as all four men
767
00:43:15,180 --> 00:43:17,340
having clearly lied to us
through their teeth.
768
00:43:17,380 --> 00:43:18,820
There is that.
769
00:43:20,580 --> 00:43:21,980
I need a drink.
770
00:43:22,140 --> 00:43:23,820
There is that.
771
00:43:38,580 --> 00:43:41,060
Yeah, it was about ten past,
772
00:43:41,220 --> 00:43:43,020
maybe quarter past midnight.
773
00:43:43,220 --> 00:43:46,180
Enough time to change, anyway.
For the party? Yeah.
774
00:43:46,340 --> 00:43:48,180
Cos she went as Madonna,
775
00:43:48,340 --> 00:43:50,460
the Desperately Seeking Susan one.
776
00:43:50,660 --> 00:43:52,820
You know, all the slap and the hair
and everything.
777
00:43:52,980 --> 00:43:55,540
It was an '80s theme, I think.
778
00:43:58,020 --> 00:43:59,580
Sorry, just a sec.
Sure.
779
00:44:07,260 --> 00:44:09,620
This is from Hayley's diary.
780
00:44:09,820 --> 00:44:14,020
"I hate the '80s, I hate
fancy dress, so am going as ME!!
781
00:44:14,060 --> 00:44:16,580
"They should be so lucky.
Lucky, lucky, lucky!!"
782
00:44:16,740 --> 00:44:17,820
Maybe she changed her mind.
783
00:44:19,580 --> 00:44:22,740
Were there any other female staff
going to the party
784
00:44:22,940 --> 00:44:25,300
who would have been the same age,
same build as Hayley?
785
00:44:32,740 --> 00:44:34,100
Hey...
786
00:44:36,260 --> 00:44:37,780
Hey, Fran, what's up?
787
00:44:37,980 --> 00:44:40,420
There was another employee,
same build, same colouring,
788
00:44:40,580 --> 00:44:41,860
same hair as Hayley,
789
00:44:42,060 --> 00:44:44,380
who's just confirmed to me
that she went as Madonna
790
00:44:44,540 --> 00:44:46,220
and she left around 12:10.
791
00:44:46,420 --> 00:44:48,940
So you think the manager
saw her leaving, not Hayley?
792
00:44:49,140 --> 00:44:51,300
I think it has to be
a very strong possibility.
793
00:44:51,340 --> 00:44:54,220
Which means the last confirmed
sighting of Hayley was way earlier.
794
00:44:54,420 --> 00:44:57,580
At 11, after which she could
easily have bunked off work early.
795
00:44:57,740 --> 00:44:59,660
OK, this is brilliant work, Fran.
796
00:44:59,742 --> 00:45:01,491
Let's talk first thing tomorrow.
797
00:45:01,516 --> 00:45:03,282
Goodnight, boss.
You heard that?
798
00:45:03,321 --> 00:45:05,201
So she could actually
have left the pub earlier.
799
00:45:05,226 --> 00:45:06,506
At 11.
800
00:45:06,659 --> 00:45:09,994
Which means we now have four men,
variously pissed,
801
00:45:10,036 --> 00:45:12,316
drugged up
and possibly mentally unstable,
802
00:45:12,359 --> 00:45:14,119
out somewhere in Middenham,
803
00:45:14,740 --> 00:45:16,833
at exactly the same time as Hayley.
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