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- They are known
as jane and john does.
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40,000 murder victims
are still unidentified.
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Thousands of suspects
are still at large.
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I'm on a mission
to change all of that,
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One case at a time.
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Who is she?
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- Hunters discovered
the mystery woman's remains
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Back in 1996.
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- Investigators want to get
this woman back to her family.
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- For 23 years, polk county's
jane doe has remained unknown.
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Her family left wondering,
what happened?
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Until now.
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For nearly three decades,
I worked as a csi,
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Specializing
in the recovery of dna.
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I'm hoping with the advances
in dna testing,
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We can get closer to
tracking down her family
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And her identity.
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- In the underwear,
there was a semen stain.
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- She's not just
another jane doe.
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She's a person with a story.
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- My focus has always
been the victims
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And the victim's family.
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She deserves her identity back,
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And I'm gonna work for that.
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- I'm yolanda mcclary,
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A retired crime scene
investigator
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From the las vegas
metropolitan police department.
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I've helped to reopen and solve
some of the most complex
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And mysterious cold cases
in america.
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Polk county's jane doe cold case
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Has been haunting
the local sheriff's department
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For nearly 25 years.
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I can only imagine how
jane doe's family must feel.
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They still have no idea
what happened to their mother,
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Wife, or sister.
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Thinking of my own family,
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Not knowing would be so painful.
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Murdered, discarded
in a wooded area.
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Jane doe has been at
the oregon state forensic lab
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For over two decades.
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I want to give her
her name back.
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Using genealogy to help
identify unidentified persons
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Has been a huge breakthrough.
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My hope is that it will
lead us down the right path
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For her identification.
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- In September of 1996,
a father and son hunting party
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Stumbled upon
a skeletonized body
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Wrapped in a blue tarp,
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Up with ropes,
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And called the sheriff's office.
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Based on the wide pelvis,
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The medical examiner
determined the body was female.
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But dna technology
in 1996 prevented us
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From identifying her
any more specifically.
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This is burney krauger.
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He's a retired detective,
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And this case was his
initially in '96.
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- Hi burney, nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
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- Obviously, trying
to find her identity
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Is gonna be the huge thing
to open up roads
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On maybe a different
kind of investigation.
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- Burney krauger,
he kept the case
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Until he retired
in December 2013,
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And I took over the case
at that point.
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- So on September 1, 1996,
you're on patrol?
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- Correct.
- Tell me about that.
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- Well, I made contact
with the father and the son,
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And they told me
they were grouse hunting
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And the dad said
he came into a clearing,
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And there appeared
to be a human skull
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Sitting in this clearing.
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From that point on then,
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We started the investigation
of the dead body.
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The body was dumped
and was wrapped in blue tarp.
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It had been there long enough
that the coyotes or varmints
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Pulled the body out of the tarp.
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- Okay, well, that makes sense.
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Got a lot of animals out
and they're all feeding.
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- Right.
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- I chose this case
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Because this victim
was discarded like trash,
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For animals to eat her remains.
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No one, no one deserves
to die that way.
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- The oregon medical
examiner's office
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Did an autopsy on the bones,
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And they were unable to
determine the cause of death
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Because they didn't find
any knife wounds in the ribs,
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They didn't find any
bullet holes, et cetera, so...
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- Okay.
If you don't mind,
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I would love to get a feel
for where this was,
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You know,
at least an approximate area.
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So it would be okay
if we go out there?
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- Yeah, we can do that.
All right.
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- In order for me
to better understand
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What happened to her,
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I need to visit the place
where she was found.
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Retracing the actual steps
of the killer
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Can reveal insights
into the crime
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That a report
just can't provide.
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- At the time in 1996,
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The location was a recently
cleared logging area.
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- I don't know,
if I was just some person
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That was finding a place
to dump a body,
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I don't know that
I could find this.
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- Well, in my opinion, I think
it would be kind of difficult.
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They would have to be somewhat
familiar with the area.
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- There are hundreds of
logging roads in this county.
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You can get lost
pretty easily up there.
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- Now this is the end
of the log landing.
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I didn't realize
it'd be grown up this much.
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- Yeah, it's...
- It's grown up a lot.
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- I think we went over
someplace in that area
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'cause I can remember
that one stump being here.
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- That's probably where
we need to go down.
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- Pretty close.
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- What kind of person
would come all the way up here
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To dump a body?
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I got to tell you,
dragging a body down here...
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It's steep, so I'm gonna
say, whoever this is, is...
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I'm not saying you
have to be an athlete,
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But you have to be at least...
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- Kind of good shape.
- Yeah.
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- There's some fallen logs.
Let's take a look at that.
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Looking at the photos,
this is where the body was.
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- We're lucky
she was ever found.
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I mean, I don't know why,
but I'm just feeling that.
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- I am too.
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They actually found the skull
a couple hundred feet that way.
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- Eventually a tarp
would have been found,
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And that would have been it.
- Yeah.
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- I don't think there would've
been anything else left.
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I don't think they would've
found any of those bones.
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That would've just been gone.
- Yeah.
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From the landing to where
the body was, partway down,
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Hidden under a small tree,
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Was this bag of clothing.
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Well, that clothing
that was found
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Was actually just up the hill,
right up in there.
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It was a pair of pants,
pair of underwear,
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Shirt, socks, shoes.
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34/34 pants, so it's belonged
to a tall person.
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- Is it possible
the killer changed,
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Then discarded his clothes
after he dumped the body,
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Believing they would
never be found?
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- That was significant.
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It was likely a male,
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Tied to the person
who put the body there.
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Size 34/34 pants, it's likely
someone over 6-foot tall.
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- Did you guys ever have
any clothing
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Or the evidence tested?
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- Yeah, actually
in the underwear
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That was in the bag,
there was a semen stain.
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They tried to develop
the dna from that stain,
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And they had no luck in '96.
- Okay.
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- They stored the sample
that they created.
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- I'm super impressed and happy
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That we had a possible
perp dna profile.
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- Finally in 2014, I said,
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"let's take
another crack at it."
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At that point they were
actually able to get
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A partial dna
from one of the samples,
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And it was good enough
to go into codis.
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- That's a really good sample
if it was good enough
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To go into codis.
- Yeah, so.
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But unfortunately, we've not
had any hits from that.
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- Still nothing.
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- On one of the trees,
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There was a clump
of brownish colored hair.
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Like, you whack your head
on a tree
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And it takes part
of your skin off.
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- Brown hair?
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It was caught in a broken branch
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Above where the body was.
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We think whoever,
disposing of the body
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And then they raised up,
that they caught that...
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- That branch.
- Chunk.
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Whoever did it
must have felt it.
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- Well, that was significant
'cause it didn't match her hair
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And it points to the person
who drug her down there.
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Now we're having it
looked at again.
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- If we can get
a usable dna profile,
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It could possibly open up roads
we would never have before.
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It's such a huge deal because
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I want to give her
her name back.
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I want to target her killer.
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That could be a game changer.
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- Her dad was a loser.
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- He was playing chicken
on the railroad track.
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- I tried to talk her out of it.
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- It's very shocking.
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Almost like
an out-of-body experience.
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- The discarded remains
of a woman
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We call jane doe
are found by hunters
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Nearly 25 years ago
in polk county, oregon.
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I'm headed to
the oregon state forensic lab
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To meet with nici vance,
their state anthropologist.
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It's amazing how much
information bones can tell us.
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How old our victim is,
if they ever had a child,
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How tall they were possibly.
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- We've tried so many things
on this particular jane doe.
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So she's right here.
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- So you said you have
the majority of her?
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- I do.
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But we just can't seem
to identify her.
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I'm gonna lay her out
in anatomical position.
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- Yeah, absolutely.
Yes.
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- So you can see
exactly what we have.
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- Oh, my goodness.
- Isn't that amazing?
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- Now that is really
a weird scar.
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- Yeah, so this is definitely
a craniotomy scar, so...
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- Surgery.
- Surgery, yes.
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This is not an injury.
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There's part
of her spinal column.
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- Uh-huh.
- That would indicate
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That she hadn't necessarily
been out there all that long.
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- Uh huh.
She seems small.
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- I don't think
she's over 5'3 ", 5'4".
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We know she's female
based on characteristics
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In her skeletal system.
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We see a very, very wide pelvis.
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- Can you tell if somebody's
had children, given childbirth?
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- Yeah, there's a little
divot right there,
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A little depression
that is created
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When a very large ligament
detaches during childbirth.
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We see indication
that she very well
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Could have been a mother.
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- As a mother,
this kind of hits home.
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When I found out that jane doe
had at least one child,
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I'm wondering if that child
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Has been looking for her
all these years.
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- We know that
she's past her 30s.
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We're now moving into probably
the fourth decade of life.
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- Into her 40s.
- Mm-hmm.
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- Got it.
- Exactly.
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- Did you find any kind of
cause of death?
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- We don't have soft tissue,
so we don't see a bullet wound.
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We've looked, there
there's no knife defects.
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So everything...
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- No blunt force trauma there.
- Exactly right.
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So we would see that
depression in the bone.
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Don't see it here,
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So we have virtually
no indication
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Regarding how she
came to die, yeah.
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- How she died, okay.
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- The cause of death based
on the bones is not clear,
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But unfortunately
the manner of death
247
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Or why she died
is still homicide
248
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Since she clearly
didn't wrap herself up
249
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In a tarp on that hill.
250
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So we're down to dna.
251
00:13:13,868 --> 00:13:17,796
Other than that,
there's just not a lot.
252
00:13:17,872 --> 00:13:21,207
- I lose sleep over this case
because she's so identifiable.
253
00:13:21,284 --> 00:13:23,762
I want to believe that
someone's looking for her.
254
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Let's give her back
to her family.
255
00:13:26,122 --> 00:13:28,100
So if there's some sort
of new technology
256
00:13:28,124 --> 00:13:31,717
That you can help us with,
let's see what we can find out.
257
00:13:31,794 --> 00:13:34,929
- I'm hoping with the advances
in dna testing,
258
00:13:35,006 --> 00:13:38,766
We can now collect her dna
from just her bones.
259
00:13:38,801 --> 00:13:41,811
We don't know
the cause of death.
260
00:13:41,822 --> 00:13:43,479
But what I do know
261
00:13:43,490 --> 00:13:45,898
Is that jane doe
has at least one child
262
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Who may still be alive.
263
00:13:48,069 --> 00:13:51,487
So there must be family
out there looking for her.
264
00:13:51,498 --> 00:13:54,907
Imagine all these years
looking for someone you loved.
265
00:13:54,984 --> 00:13:56,951
It's heartbreaking.
266
00:13:57,028 --> 00:13:59,620
Now I need to speak
with the detectives.
267
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If detectives can determine
268
00:14:01,157 --> 00:14:03,958
When jane doe's remains
were dumped,
269
00:14:03,993 --> 00:14:07,095
It could help us find out
who she might be.
270
00:14:13,261 --> 00:14:16,679
All right, let's talk
about evidence a little bit.
271
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And the time frame,
the time of year.
272
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- We put a time period in there
of late June to the middle,
273
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Maybe even two-thirds July
274
00:14:25,514 --> 00:14:28,449
Because of what
the vegetation shows you.
275
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Grass played an important part
276
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In determining approximate time
277
00:14:35,191 --> 00:14:38,826
Of the body
being deposited there.
278
00:14:38,861 --> 00:14:41,120
- Burney collected grass
279
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From next to where the body was,
280
00:14:43,550 --> 00:14:46,167
And grass from under
where the body was.
281
00:14:46,202 --> 00:14:48,836
The difference in height
between these two grasses
282
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Indicates that she was there
two to three months.
283
00:14:51,749 --> 00:14:53,883
- And then we also found
a receipt
284
00:14:53,894 --> 00:14:57,470
And some clothes
that were up there.
285
00:14:57,546 --> 00:15:00,306
- In the shirt pocket
of one of the shirts
286
00:15:00,383 --> 00:15:03,684
That was in this bag
was a restaurant receipt.
287
00:15:03,761 --> 00:15:08,814
It was for around $5 worth
of food for one person.
288
00:15:08,891 --> 00:15:12,860
This fast food receipt
was dated June 26th.
289
00:15:12,937 --> 00:15:14,987
- Okay, that's very interesting.
290
00:15:15,064 --> 00:15:17,582
So you have two things now
saying probably late June.
291
00:15:17,659 --> 00:15:19,751
- Yeah.
- I think your timeline's good.
292
00:15:19,827 --> 00:15:23,588
I think your timelines
probably right on.
293
00:15:23,665 --> 00:15:25,717
- So we know when
the killer likely dumped
294
00:15:25,741 --> 00:15:28,542
His clothes and the body,
295
00:15:28,619 --> 00:15:31,763
But we still need
to identify our victim.
296
00:15:31,839 --> 00:15:34,226
Dr. Vance has been very helpful
so I was picking her brain,
297
00:15:34,250 --> 00:15:36,550
I'm like,
"what else can we do?"
298
00:15:36,585 --> 00:15:39,720
She's like, "I got somebody
that can do you a sketch."
299
00:15:39,797 --> 00:15:42,932
So in 2014,
dr. Vance provided the skull
300
00:15:42,943 --> 00:15:44,767
To a forensic artist,
301
00:15:44,778 --> 00:15:48,062
And it was remarkable
what came back.
302
00:15:48,139 --> 00:15:50,949
A forensic artist can
approximate a person's face
303
00:15:51,025 --> 00:15:54,118
Based only on
the contours of the skull.
304
00:15:56,313 --> 00:15:58,122
For the first time,
305
00:15:58,199 --> 00:16:01,951
I was looking into
the face of jane doe.
306
00:16:01,962 --> 00:16:04,078
We got those beautiful sketches,
307
00:16:04,155 --> 00:16:05,746
And they experimented
308
00:16:05,781 --> 00:16:08,374
With different hairstyles,
hair colors
309
00:16:08,451 --> 00:16:12,044
To give us a range of what
our doe would have looked like.
310
00:16:12,121 --> 00:16:15,047
- Once detectives had
three potential sketches
311
00:16:15,124 --> 00:16:16,298
Of their victim,
312
00:16:16,309 --> 00:16:18,759
They turned to the media
to generate leads.
313
00:16:18,794 --> 00:16:22,263
- Investigators want to get
this woman back to her family,
314
00:16:22,298 --> 00:16:26,651
But they have no idea
who she is or where she's from.
315
00:16:26,728 --> 00:16:30,146
If you think you might know
who this mystery woman is,
316
00:16:30,156 --> 00:16:33,032
You're asked to contact the
polk county sheriff's office.
317
00:16:37,146 --> 00:16:39,780
- We were able to get
a variety of sketches
318
00:16:39,815 --> 00:16:42,742
Based on the skull of what our
victim might have looked like.
319
00:16:42,818 --> 00:16:43,951
- Yeah.
320
00:16:43,986 --> 00:16:46,787
- And I did get a call
from canada.
321
00:16:46,864 --> 00:16:49,999
They had a missing person
up there.
322
00:16:50,010 --> 00:16:52,668
Turned out it wasn't...
Wasn't ours.
323
00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:56,305
That's the only serious tip
that has come in.
324
00:16:57,875 --> 00:16:59,800
Kind of been disappointing.
325
00:16:59,835 --> 00:17:01,635
- Well, and after 23 years
326
00:17:01,670 --> 00:17:03,315
If you haven't even found
any good leads,
327
00:17:03,339 --> 00:17:05,242
They're just probably
not there anymore.
328
00:17:05,266 --> 00:17:07,850
Times have changed, you know,
in how we can do things now.
329
00:17:07,861 --> 00:17:12,196
This is a great case
to try just genealogy.
330
00:17:19,730 --> 00:17:21,781
It's not like anything else
331
00:17:21,857 --> 00:17:24,658
That dna has ever been used for.
332
00:17:24,693 --> 00:17:26,035
It's new to me, too.
333
00:17:26,046 --> 00:17:28,788
Dna solutions in oklahoma,
private lab,
334
00:17:28,864 --> 00:17:30,039
They'll try to extract the dna.
335
00:17:30,050 --> 00:17:31,843
Doing this whole
different profile
336
00:17:31,867 --> 00:17:35,044
That can be uploaded
into open source databases.
337
00:17:35,055 --> 00:17:37,671
Then, you know,
you start building trees,
338
00:17:37,706 --> 00:17:38,884
And these trees have to connect,
339
00:17:38,908 --> 00:17:41,893
And they keep connecting
and connecting and connecting
340
00:17:41,969 --> 00:17:44,329
Till finally, hopefully,
they all can come together,
341
00:17:44,380 --> 00:17:47,607
And hopefully right down
to your jane doe.
342
00:17:49,885 --> 00:17:51,404
I'm determined
to help detectives
343
00:17:51,428 --> 00:17:53,854
Identify their jane doe.
344
00:17:53,931 --> 00:17:57,024
If my team can extract
a solid sample of dna
345
00:17:57,059 --> 00:17:58,818
From jane doe's bones,
346
00:17:58,894 --> 00:18:03,989
We can then compare it to dna
in public source databases,
347
00:18:04,066 --> 00:18:07,752
In the hopes that any of her
relatives' dna are in there.
348
00:18:07,829 --> 00:18:09,912
It's a lot of work,
but I got a great team.
349
00:18:09,923 --> 00:18:11,422
- We thank you.
350
00:18:11,499 --> 00:18:13,925
We really don't have
anywhere else to go.
351
00:18:14,001 --> 00:18:16,282
It's amazing 'cause
this new technology could be
352
00:18:16,337 --> 00:18:18,879
Just what we're looking for
to solve this case.
353
00:18:38,309 --> 00:18:41,360
- With this groundbreaking
forensic technology,
354
00:18:41,437 --> 00:18:44,780
We have a new tool
to help solve cold cases.
355
00:18:44,791 --> 00:18:48,200
Our jane doe's bones
are sent to dna solutions,
356
00:18:48,277 --> 00:18:52,705
A highly-respected,
private lab in oklahoma.
357
00:18:52,781 --> 00:18:54,623
- I'm dr. Anstead.
I'm the lab director.
358
00:18:54,634 --> 00:18:56,428
We're a laboratory that handles
359
00:18:56,452 --> 00:18:58,638
A number of different kinds
of dna work.
360
00:18:58,662 --> 00:19:00,858
They've been extracting dna
from skeletal remains
361
00:19:00,882 --> 00:19:02,934
For quite a few years now,
but what's changed
362
00:19:02,958 --> 00:19:06,144
Is the technology
to actually recover that dna...
363
00:19:48,855 --> 00:19:51,522
- I can't believe after
more than two decades
364
00:19:51,599 --> 00:19:53,577
After our jane doe's remains
were found,
365
00:19:53,601 --> 00:19:55,476
We had her dna profile.
366
00:19:55,552 --> 00:19:58,312
The dna in this case
was a bit challenging
367
00:19:58,347 --> 00:20:02,358
Because there had been some
degration level in the bone
368
00:20:02,368 --> 00:20:04,985
Due to the fact that the bone
is 23 years old,
369
00:20:05,020 --> 00:20:07,488
But we're quite pleased
with after two extractions,
370
00:20:07,564 --> 00:20:08,897
We got what we want.
371
00:20:08,899 --> 00:20:12,877
Finally, we are getting closer
to tracking down her family
372
00:20:12,954 --> 00:20:15,046
And her identity.
373
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,377
Now from my hometown
in las vegas,
374
00:20:21,387 --> 00:20:24,672
I contacted two of the best
genealogists in the country.
375
00:20:27,060 --> 00:20:28,842
- My name is charles mcgee.
376
00:20:28,919 --> 00:20:31,512
I do all sorts of different
kinds of genealogical research,
377
00:20:31,547 --> 00:20:35,683
With my main focus
being forensic genealogy.
378
00:20:35,718 --> 00:20:38,560
- This kind of investigative
work is very different
379
00:20:38,571 --> 00:20:40,062
Than just genealogy,
380
00:20:40,073 --> 00:20:42,690
Because we start
with an unknown.
381
00:20:42,766 --> 00:20:45,818
We have no clue
who this person is.
382
00:20:45,894 --> 00:20:47,569
- I can't thank you guys
enough for coming.
383
00:20:47,580 --> 00:20:49,905
I just got back from oregon.
384
00:20:49,916 --> 00:20:55,911
They had a body that was found
September 1, 1996.
385
00:20:55,922 --> 00:20:58,664
Our jane doe would have been
in her 40s.
386
00:20:58,741 --> 00:21:02,334
- And did she have children?
- She had at least one child,
387
00:21:02,411 --> 00:21:03,761
But possibly more.
388
00:21:03,838 --> 00:21:07,715
- With a viable dna profile,
we're able to upload that
389
00:21:07,791 --> 00:21:09,934
To a private genetic
dna database.
390
00:21:10,011 --> 00:21:13,721
Once we're able to show matches
to our jane doe,
391
00:21:13,797 --> 00:21:16,432
Genetic matches, obviously
we're hoping for a bull's-eye.
392
00:21:16,442 --> 00:21:17,625
- What's a bull's-eye?
393
00:21:17,701 --> 00:21:20,436
- Well, like a parent
relationship would be awesome.
394
00:21:20,446 --> 00:21:21,537
- Okay.
395
00:21:21,539 --> 00:21:23,439
- The more dna that
you share with somebody,
396
00:21:23,449 --> 00:21:24,706
The closer your relationship.
397
00:21:24,708 --> 00:21:27,952
So a paternal line and a
maternal line coming together,
398
00:21:28,029 --> 00:21:30,446
Beneath there, somewhere,
is gonna be our doe, hopefully.
399
00:21:30,456 --> 00:21:31,780
- Gotcha.
400
00:21:31,791 --> 00:21:34,742
- We can't expect
to get a parent
401
00:21:34,777 --> 00:21:36,796
Or a sibling bull's-eye
right off the bat.
402
00:21:36,820 --> 00:21:38,757
I mean, we're always hoping
for something like that,
403
00:21:38,781 --> 00:21:39,901
But that's pretty rare.
404
00:21:39,948 --> 00:21:42,633
Then you get down to second,
third, fourth cousins
405
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:44,960
And removed cousins
and half cousins.
406
00:21:44,971 --> 00:21:46,431
- Lots of headaches.
- We have tools...
407
00:21:46,455 --> 00:21:47,974
We have all sorts of tools
that can help us
408
00:21:47,998 --> 00:21:50,027
Try to determine what
those relationships might be.
409
00:21:50,051 --> 00:21:51,309
- Okay.
410
00:21:51,385 --> 00:21:52,863
- So we can kind of
narrow the field.
411
00:21:52,887 --> 00:21:55,971
Once her dna is uploaded
to this genetic
412
00:21:55,982 --> 00:21:58,649
Genealogy research site we use,
413
00:21:58,726 --> 00:22:02,320
We're able to see
our jane doe's top matches,
414
00:22:02,396 --> 00:22:04,488
Her closest relatives.
415
00:22:16,502 --> 00:22:18,660
- I got the top ten matches
that you sent.
416
00:22:18,671 --> 00:22:21,339
- Yep, the dna was uploaded
to the database
417
00:22:21,415 --> 00:22:23,999
And matches for our jane doe
are listed there.
418
00:22:24,010 --> 00:22:26,168
We were hoping for
something better, obviously.
419
00:22:26,179 --> 00:22:29,088
Our jane doe matches
are so distantly related
420
00:22:29,164 --> 00:22:32,007
That she likely never even
knew them during her life.
421
00:22:32,018 --> 00:22:34,843
That makes the research
pretty difficult.
422
00:22:34,854 --> 00:22:38,689
- I liken this process
to working a jigsaw puzzle.
423
00:22:38,766 --> 00:22:40,577
When you get a list of matches,
424
00:22:40,601 --> 00:22:42,821
Some of them are valuable,
some of them are not,
425
00:22:42,845 --> 00:22:44,581
But you don't know
until you get going.
426
00:22:44,605 --> 00:22:46,522
You're just flying blind.
427
00:22:46,532 --> 00:22:48,190
- So we'll start out
with the anna adams tree.
428
00:22:48,201 --> 00:22:49,525
- Yes.
429
00:22:49,535 --> 00:22:50,859
- You can begin working
on that, jean.
430
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:52,820
I can take the sam smith tree.
431
00:22:52,896 --> 00:22:55,155
And yolanda,
you can start on dt jones.
432
00:22:55,232 --> 00:22:57,541
And we can just keep
on progressing from there.
433
00:22:57,618 --> 00:22:59,043
- All right.
434
00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:01,954
So now we have our top
ten matches to our jane doe.
435
00:23:02,030 --> 00:23:04,998
That means building out
ten different family trees
436
00:23:05,075 --> 00:23:08,001
That will have thousands
of people in each,
437
00:23:08,036 --> 00:23:10,712
To ultimately find that marriage
438
00:23:10,723 --> 00:23:14,508
Between jane doe's mother
and father to lead us to her.
439
00:23:14,585 --> 00:23:16,729
- Somewhere there's
a marriage that occurred
440
00:23:16,753 --> 00:23:20,639
That produced the parent
or grandparent of the doe.
441
00:23:20,716 --> 00:23:22,694
- We're looking
for the crossover
442
00:23:22,718 --> 00:23:26,728
When one person in this tree
marries somebody in this tree.
443
00:23:26,739 --> 00:23:30,574
- Where they come together
is where our doe's gonna be.
444
00:23:30,651 --> 00:23:32,203
- All right, everybody
divide and conquer.
445
00:23:41,069 --> 00:23:43,203
Based on our genealogy research,
446
00:23:43,238 --> 00:23:46,582
The two common names
that we have
447
00:23:46,592 --> 00:23:49,168
In our tree
are thomas and fuller.
448
00:23:49,244 --> 00:23:52,546
So chuck, you found some
crossovers, some marriages.
449
00:23:52,623 --> 00:23:56,434
- Yeah, one of our matches
is related to tennie fuller,
450
00:23:56,510 --> 00:23:58,760
And the other is related
to claude thomas.
451
00:23:58,771 --> 00:24:00,220
And we found a crossover
452
00:24:00,255 --> 00:24:02,723
Because claude and tennie
married.
453
00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:06,444
- So how does, ultimately,
our doe fit into this?
454
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,230
- Our doe could actually be
the child of tennie and claude,
455
00:24:10,307 --> 00:24:11,773
Or it could be the grandchild.
456
00:24:11,784 --> 00:24:14,568
Claude and tennie
had seven children,
457
00:24:14,603 --> 00:24:17,196
Six boys and one girl.
458
00:24:17,272 --> 00:24:19,957
Morgan and leo were the oldest.
459
00:24:20,034 --> 00:24:22,128
Billy and bettie
were the youngest.
460
00:24:22,152 --> 00:24:26,788
And bettie thomas, we believe
that she moved to oregon.
461
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:27,915
- Wow.
462
00:24:27,991 --> 00:24:30,292
- So that's a big hit
right there.
463
00:24:30,303 --> 00:24:32,753
Bettie was born in 1934.
464
00:24:32,788 --> 00:24:35,192
- We're looking for somebody
in their late 40s, maybe 50s.
465
00:24:35,216 --> 00:24:37,090
She's a little older
466
00:24:37,167 --> 00:24:39,635
Than probably what
we want for our doe, right?
467
00:24:39,645 --> 00:24:40,811
- Yeah.
468
00:24:40,888 --> 00:24:43,639
- Bettie would've been 62
when jane doe was murdered,
469
00:24:43,649 --> 00:24:45,974
Nearly 20 years her senior.
470
00:24:45,985 --> 00:24:48,652
So she may not be our victim.
471
00:24:48,729 --> 00:24:50,615
We needed
detective williams' help.
472
00:24:53,308 --> 00:24:54,994
- So looking into
bettie's background,
473
00:24:55,018 --> 00:24:56,880
I found something
that I didn't expect.
474
00:24:56,904 --> 00:24:59,780
She had passed away
in king county, washington,
475
00:24:59,815 --> 00:25:01,907
In October of '96,
476
00:25:01,984 --> 00:25:05,661
Four months after our doe
was likely killed.
477
00:25:05,671 --> 00:25:07,838
So obviously,
it couldn't be our doe.
478
00:25:07,915 --> 00:25:10,841
- So bettie's deceased
and actually had a funeral.
479
00:25:10,918 --> 00:25:12,251
It's not her.
480
00:25:12,327 --> 00:25:14,795
- Bettie's out.
481
00:25:14,871 --> 00:25:16,307
- We know she had
four daughters,
482
00:25:16,331 --> 00:25:17,839
But they're all accounted for.
483
00:25:17,850 --> 00:25:19,174
- So it has to be the daughter
484
00:25:19,185 --> 00:25:21,260
Of one of those
remaining siblings.
485
00:25:21,336 --> 00:25:24,805
- So we have six boys
that we need to figure out
486
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,182
Who they're married to
and every one of their kids.
487
00:25:27,193 --> 00:25:29,643
Their kids would be born
in the right time frame
488
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,028
Of the 1950s.
489
00:25:31,105 --> 00:25:33,157
I guess everybody,
let's hit our computers,
490
00:25:33,181 --> 00:25:35,159
See what we can find,
find phone numbers,
491
00:25:35,183 --> 00:25:36,661
Maybe we just need
to start talking
492
00:25:36,685 --> 00:25:38,162
To some of these people too
if they're alive.
493
00:25:38,186 --> 00:25:40,871
This is the biggest lead
in over two decades.
494
00:25:56,889 --> 00:25:59,506
- So we have six boys
495
00:25:59,541 --> 00:26:01,967
That we need to figure out
who they're married to
496
00:26:02,044 --> 00:26:03,677
And every one of their kids.
497
00:26:03,712 --> 00:26:05,721
- Right.
- So it has to be the daughter
498
00:26:05,731 --> 00:26:08,640
Of one of those
remaining siblings.
499
00:26:08,717 --> 00:26:11,351
- Starting out,
morgan is the first boy.
500
00:26:11,428 --> 00:26:13,353
Second boy is leo.
501
00:26:13,388 --> 00:26:15,897
- Leo.
Robert.
502
00:26:15,908 --> 00:26:18,483
- Billy.
503
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,413
- And they're all still
oklahoma-based?
504
00:26:20,437 --> 00:26:21,798
- Well, we don't know
that for sure.
505
00:26:21,822 --> 00:26:23,541
We're going to have
to begin to, you know,
506
00:26:23,565 --> 00:26:24,751
Fill that out,
fill that information.
507
00:26:24,775 --> 00:26:25,916
- All right, well then,
508
00:26:25,993 --> 00:26:27,971
Let's do some more
research on all of them.
509
00:26:27,995 --> 00:26:30,245
I guess everybody,
let's hit our computers,
510
00:26:30,256 --> 00:26:31,924
See what we can find,
find phone numbers,
511
00:26:31,948 --> 00:26:33,749
Maybe we need to start talking
to some of these people too
512
00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:35,208
If they're alive.
513
00:26:35,285 --> 00:26:36,721
- Yeah.
- Okay.
514
00:26:36,745 --> 00:26:39,588
- We methodically went
through the siblings,
515
00:26:39,599 --> 00:26:41,757
Starting with his oldest
and working down,
516
00:26:41,767 --> 00:26:43,267
And trying to figure out,
517
00:26:43,344 --> 00:26:45,563
You know, who they would
have been married to.
518
00:26:45,587 --> 00:26:47,657
And if any of them
had a daughter,
519
00:26:47,681 --> 00:26:49,273
That could be our jane doe.
520
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:50,849
We couldn't get anywhere.
521
00:26:50,926 --> 00:26:53,777
But lo and behold,
weeks later we discovered
522
00:26:53,854 --> 00:26:56,730
Billy thomas, bettie's brother,
523
00:26:56,807 --> 00:26:58,899
The only living sibling.
524
00:26:58,975 --> 00:27:01,902
- This whole line of siblings
and only one of them
525
00:27:01,937 --> 00:27:04,696
Was still living,
and that was billy.
526
00:27:04,773 --> 00:27:07,908
He's now 85 years old,
in oklahoma.
527
00:27:13,115 --> 00:27:17,417
- Hey, is this billy?
528
00:27:17,494 --> 00:27:19,022
- This is detective williams
from oregon.
529
00:27:19,046 --> 00:27:22,047
How are you doing?
530
00:27:22,124 --> 00:27:23,965
- Hoping that he could fill in
some of the holes,
531
00:27:23,976 --> 00:27:26,810
I asked billy
about his nieces and nephews.
532
00:27:26,887 --> 00:27:29,813
- We just had a conversation,
you know,
533
00:27:29,890 --> 00:27:35,435
And he said that
he's working on this case.
534
00:27:35,512 --> 00:27:36,937
I gave him what I knew.
535
00:27:37,013 --> 00:27:40,440
I've got five brothers,
I'm the sixth.
536
00:27:40,475 --> 00:27:43,318
Leo was my second
oldest brother.
537
00:27:43,329 --> 00:27:46,947
Him and his wife
had three daughters.
538
00:27:46,982 --> 00:27:49,616
- Billy said none of his
other brothers had daughters,
539
00:27:49,693 --> 00:27:52,753
But leo had three girls
with jessie, his wife.
540
00:27:54,156 --> 00:27:56,340
- I don't know how
he met her or anything.
541
00:27:56,417 --> 00:28:00,010
All I can tell you is they had
sandra, linda, and kathy.
542
00:28:00,087 --> 00:28:02,462
- All he knew were first names.
543
00:28:02,497 --> 00:28:04,734
He hadn't seen them since
they were little kids,
544
00:28:04,758 --> 00:28:08,093
So knowing that leo and jessie
had three girls
545
00:28:08,170 --> 00:28:11,471
Born in about
the right time in the 50s,
546
00:28:11,506 --> 00:28:13,484
I'm almost certain that
one of them is our doe.
547
00:28:17,938 --> 00:28:20,480
- Billy said the girls
were split up
548
00:28:20,557 --> 00:28:24,576
After his brother leo and
jessie divorced around 1959.
549
00:28:27,522 --> 00:28:29,456
Here in oklahoma.
550
00:28:31,860 --> 00:28:33,994
About five miles from town.
551
00:28:34,029 --> 00:28:38,832
- Then billy told us something
that blew this case wide open.
552
00:28:38,909 --> 00:28:41,427
- Leo took kathy to oregon.
553
00:28:43,413 --> 00:28:44,838
- This is big.
554
00:28:44,915 --> 00:28:47,841
It's the same state
where our jane doe was found.
555
00:28:47,918 --> 00:28:49,885
She's the right age.
556
00:28:49,895 --> 00:28:53,722
She lived not far from where
our victim's body was found.
557
00:28:53,733 --> 00:28:58,977
And her two sisters are alive,
living in the midwest.
558
00:28:59,054 --> 00:29:02,740
Kathy is the best chance
at being our jane doe.
559
00:29:05,894 --> 00:29:08,495
- And I said "well, what do
you think happened to kathy?"
560
00:29:25,172 --> 00:29:27,598
- Leo adopted her out
to a family
561
00:29:27,674 --> 00:29:29,433
With the last name of buxton.
562
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:31,092
He said,
"I don't how to spell it.
563
00:29:31,103 --> 00:29:33,553
I don't know where they live.
That's just what I heard."
564
00:29:33,588 --> 00:29:35,722
So I have a name, buxton,
565
00:29:35,757 --> 00:29:38,161
And now I got to figure out
who linda and sandra are.
566
00:29:38,185 --> 00:29:39,768
How can I do that?
567
00:29:39,779 --> 00:29:42,854
I'm like okay, leo died in 1966,
568
00:29:42,931 --> 00:29:46,900
But jessie, I knew she died
in okemah, oklahoma.
569
00:29:46,935 --> 00:29:48,610
Called the little
newspaper there,
570
00:29:48,621 --> 00:29:51,705
Asked them if they had
an obituary from 2002.
571
00:29:53,149 --> 00:29:56,794
A relative told me that linda
and sandra were adopted out
572
00:29:56,870 --> 00:30:01,915
To a local family in okemah
because jessie, their mom,
573
00:30:01,992 --> 00:30:04,960
Wanted to continue
her party lifestyle,
574
00:30:04,970 --> 00:30:09,973
And the two little girls
were kind of in her way.
575
00:30:10,050 --> 00:30:13,552
The same relative was very
helpful, pointed me to linda,
576
00:30:13,628 --> 00:30:14,928
Kathy's sister,
577
00:30:15,005 --> 00:30:17,931
And actually helped me
get linda on the phone.
578
00:30:24,973 --> 00:30:27,285
- Hey linda, this is detective
williams from oregon.
579
00:30:27,309 --> 00:30:30,068
How are you doing?
580
00:30:30,145 --> 00:30:31,611
- Good.
581
00:30:31,646 --> 00:30:33,154
- He said,
"was your dad named leo?"
582
00:30:33,165 --> 00:30:34,906
I said yes.
583
00:30:34,983 --> 00:30:37,183
"did you have a younger sister
named kathy?"
584
00:30:37,244 --> 00:30:39,661
I said yes.
585
00:30:39,672 --> 00:30:44,916
He said that they
had a woman tied in a tarp.
586
00:30:44,993 --> 00:30:48,595
He wanted to know if it
could have been my sister.
587
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,595
My dad took off
with her to oregon
588
00:30:56,671 --> 00:31:00,607
Once that sandy and I
got adopted to the same family.
589
00:31:03,345 --> 00:31:07,188
And I didn't know
what had happened to kathy.
590
00:31:07,199 --> 00:31:09,783
She was just gone my whole life.
591
00:31:14,281 --> 00:31:19,659
- I know you've wondered
for years, where's kathy?
592
00:31:19,694 --> 00:31:21,995
- She tells me sandra,
her eldest sister,
593
00:31:22,030 --> 00:31:24,664
Is a nurse at a hospital
in oklahoma.
594
00:31:24,741 --> 00:31:28,627
So I'm like,
well, no one's seen kathy?
595
00:31:28,703 --> 00:31:30,211
That fits the puzzle.
596
00:31:30,222 --> 00:31:32,547
Kathy is likely our doe,
597
00:31:32,558 --> 00:31:34,674
But we still need to confirm it.
598
00:31:34,709 --> 00:31:36,896
And I said, could we get
a dna sample to see
599
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,897
If we're on the right track?
600
00:31:39,973 --> 00:31:42,724
- And I said,
"yes, I'll do anything I can
601
00:31:42,735 --> 00:31:44,943
To find out if it was
my sister or not."
602
00:31:49,650 --> 00:31:51,617
- Yeah.
603
00:31:54,104 --> 00:31:56,821
- Well, will it also give you
some kind of sense
604
00:31:56,898 --> 00:31:59,207
Of "now you know"?
605
00:32:02,070 --> 00:32:03,995
- That dna sample,
606
00:32:04,072 --> 00:32:06,840
That's gonna be the truth
one way or another.
607
00:32:14,749 --> 00:32:16,883
- After months of research,
608
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,760
My team and I have narrowed down
609
00:32:18,771 --> 00:32:21,888
Jane doe's genealogy
to one family.
610
00:32:21,923 --> 00:32:25,651
We believe linda amsler
may be her sister.
611
00:32:26,928 --> 00:32:30,355
We won't know for sure
until we compare linda's dna
612
00:32:30,432 --> 00:32:32,232
To our victim's dna.
613
00:32:35,195 --> 00:32:40,031
- She was just drinking
and running around.
614
00:32:40,108 --> 00:32:41,616
- Never heard from her again.
615
00:32:41,627 --> 00:32:44,619
Didn't know the husband's name
other than a nickname.
616
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:46,296
- I seen her one time.
617
00:32:46,373 --> 00:32:50,250
I stopped in this little bar
there and she was there.
618
00:32:50,326 --> 00:32:52,961
- I know that linda needed
to hear the truth,
619
00:32:52,972 --> 00:32:56,223
But it was very difficult
to break the news to her.
620
00:33:12,491 --> 00:33:16,493
- We sent linda's dna
to dna solutions
621
00:33:16,570 --> 00:33:19,487
To have a compared
with our victim,
622
00:33:19,498 --> 00:33:21,906
Our doe's dna.
623
00:33:31,326 --> 00:33:34,627
Now we know for sure
who our jane doe is.
624
00:33:34,662 --> 00:33:36,805
It's linda's sister, kathy.
625
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,808
Now that we have the results,
626
00:33:48,843 --> 00:33:51,030
Detective williams and I
are heading to oklahoma
627
00:33:51,054 --> 00:33:53,521
To break the news
to linda in person.
628
00:33:53,532 --> 00:33:56,775
Hopefully, linda can lead us
to who saw kathy last,
629
00:33:56,851 --> 00:33:59,244
And then ultimately
to her killer.
630
00:34:08,696 --> 00:34:10,997
So linda,
thank you for meeting us.
631
00:34:11,032 --> 00:34:13,541
I know from the first day
that we called you
632
00:34:13,552 --> 00:34:14,642
And talked to you, this has been
633
00:34:14,644 --> 00:34:16,347
Kind of an emotional
roller coaster for you.
634
00:34:16,371 --> 00:34:17,545
- Mm-hmm.
635
00:34:17,556 --> 00:34:19,350
- Thank you for working with us.
636
00:34:19,374 --> 00:34:21,716
I know getting a phone call out
of the blue about your sister...
637
00:34:21,727 --> 00:34:24,677
- Like you said,
out of nowhere, too.
638
00:34:24,712 --> 00:34:26,690
- I know, and it was
out of nowhere,
639
00:34:26,714 --> 00:34:28,973
And you did something
very special.
640
00:34:29,050 --> 00:34:31,351
You gave me your dna.
641
00:34:31,386 --> 00:34:33,686
I know that linda needed
to hear the truth,
642
00:34:33,721 --> 00:34:36,740
But it was very difficult
to break the news to her.
643
00:34:36,817 --> 00:34:40,285
So we do know, um...
644
00:34:44,399 --> 00:34:46,908
You are a match.
You are her sister.
645
00:34:46,919 --> 00:34:48,576
- I knew it.
646
00:34:54,075 --> 00:34:55,875
- The dna definitely confirms
647
00:34:55,910 --> 00:35:00,338
That our person that we have
is your biological sister.
648
00:35:03,677 --> 00:35:06,010
- I knew it was, in my heart.
649
00:35:06,087 --> 00:35:08,054
By looking at her picture.
650
00:35:08,131 --> 00:35:10,816
We all have this nose.
651
00:35:12,135 --> 00:35:15,353
I didn't really want it
to be her.
652
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:19,357
I wanted a family
when I was young, so bad.
653
00:35:19,434 --> 00:35:23,578
And now to finally get it,
but she's gone.
654
00:35:27,626 --> 00:35:30,001
And I'll never
have my sister back.
655
00:35:34,657 --> 00:35:36,958
It would have been nice
if we'd had a real family
656
00:35:36,969 --> 00:35:38,751
Like everybody else.
657
00:35:38,786 --> 00:35:41,471
- Tell me about your family.
658
00:35:41,548 --> 00:35:46,092
- Leo thomas was my dad.
659
00:35:46,127 --> 00:35:49,387
And jessie dodson was my mother,
660
00:35:49,464 --> 00:35:52,891
Thomas after they got
married in 1949.
661
00:35:52,967 --> 00:35:54,559
- What about jessie?
662
00:35:54,636 --> 00:35:56,811
- She was just a cool mom,
663
00:35:56,822 --> 00:35:58,771
But she was alcoholic.
664
00:35:58,806 --> 00:36:02,483
- And tell me about leo.
- He was funny.
665
00:36:02,494 --> 00:36:05,612
He was a little dude.
666
00:36:05,647 --> 00:36:07,488
- Everybody was scared of him.
667
00:36:07,499 --> 00:36:09,949
I remember,
nobody messed with him.
668
00:36:09,984 --> 00:36:12,836
- Leo and jessie's marriage
wasn't a happy one,
669
00:36:12,913 --> 00:36:16,122
And it got even worse after leo
lost a limb in an accident.
670
00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:19,009
- And he had one arm, right?
- Uh-huh, yes, he had one arm.
671
00:36:19,085 --> 00:36:22,128
What I was told is
he was playing chicken
672
00:36:22,205 --> 00:36:24,589
On the railroad track.
673
00:36:24,666 --> 00:36:27,133
And I don't know
if it's true or not.
674
00:36:35,435 --> 00:36:37,029
- I know that you guys
were all separated
675
00:36:37,053 --> 00:36:38,519
When kathy was six.
676
00:36:38,530 --> 00:36:39,582
You would have
been seven, right?
677
00:36:39,606 --> 00:36:40,855
- Mm-hmm.
678
00:36:40,866 --> 00:36:42,826
- Sandy would have
been around eight?
679
00:36:42,850 --> 00:36:45,911
- Me and sandy's a year
and 11 days apart.
680
00:36:48,114 --> 00:36:51,708
- Linda's story is
kind of tragic.
681
00:36:51,785 --> 00:36:53,877
She had a rough childhood
682
00:36:53,954 --> 00:36:55,765
'cause, you know,
her mom gave her away
683
00:36:55,789 --> 00:36:59,624
And she kept running away
to go see her real mom.
684
00:36:59,701 --> 00:37:03,169
- I love my mom
and I wanted to be with her.
685
00:37:03,204 --> 00:37:04,837
And that's all I knew.
686
00:37:04,914 --> 00:37:08,049
I mean, even though
I was adopted to good people,
687
00:37:08,060 --> 00:37:10,843
There was something
missing in my heart,
688
00:37:10,878 --> 00:37:13,396
And I wanted my mom.
689
00:37:13,473 --> 00:37:16,066
But why she got rid
of all of us to begin with
690
00:37:16,142 --> 00:37:21,521
Is due to drinking
and running around.
691
00:37:21,597 --> 00:37:25,575
She didn't want to be tied down
to all of us kids.
692
00:37:25,652 --> 00:37:29,821
- Since their father leo
took kathy to oregon in 1959,
693
00:37:29,897 --> 00:37:33,866
No one in oklahoma knew
what happened to her.
694
00:37:33,901 --> 00:37:37,203
Then in 1977, when kathy
turned 24 years old,
695
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,673
Linda finally heard
from her sister.
696
00:37:42,669 --> 00:37:46,004
- She did come down here
once when she was grown.
697
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,931
She was flaunting money.
698
00:37:48,008 --> 00:37:53,011
Kathy had left her husband,
and his name was jug.
699
00:37:53,087 --> 00:37:56,856
And that's when she showed me
pictures of the three babies.
700
00:37:59,802 --> 00:38:02,228
She just left her kids with him.
701
00:38:02,305 --> 00:38:04,772
- We always suspected
that kathy was a mother,
702
00:38:04,783 --> 00:38:06,566
But now we have proof.
703
00:38:06,601 --> 00:38:11,112
- She said that she had
three kids then.
704
00:38:11,123 --> 00:38:13,623
I couldn't imagine her
having three
705
00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:17,744
'cause I just had the one,
but she did show me pictures.
706
00:38:17,820 --> 00:38:19,954
- Do you know how old the kids
were in those pictures?
707
00:38:19,965 --> 00:38:21,873
- They was young.
708
00:38:21,949 --> 00:38:25,043
- We know that she's a mother,
so there must be
709
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:27,554
A family member out there
looking for her.
710
00:38:29,290 --> 00:38:30,923
- For 23 years,
711
00:38:30,958 --> 00:38:33,718
I said to the people
that I was working with,
712
00:38:33,795 --> 00:38:36,596
"somewhere out there
there's somebody asking,
713
00:38:36,631 --> 00:38:38,139
'where's my mom?'
'where's my sister?'
714
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:41,267
And that's who I want
to get the answers for."
715
00:38:41,344 --> 00:38:42,643
- But it's amazing.
716
00:38:42,654 --> 00:38:45,146
- This is better
than I expected.
717
00:38:45,157 --> 00:38:47,815
- Now there's also the
investigation of the homicide.
718
00:38:47,826 --> 00:38:49,150
- Mm-hmm.
719
00:38:49,161 --> 00:38:50,418
- That's something
that's actively being worked.
720
00:38:50,420 --> 00:38:53,738
I can't really say anything
until all of that happens.
721
00:38:53,815 --> 00:38:56,657
But we'll let you know
how that goes.
722
00:38:56,668 --> 00:38:58,084
- Yeah.
723
00:38:59,838 --> 00:39:02,622
She's finally gonna get to rest.
724
00:39:02,698 --> 00:39:06,793
'cause nobody who she was.
725
00:39:08,830 --> 00:39:12,673
But today it was like
she finally got some peace.
726
00:39:14,877 --> 00:39:17,762
- It was a very
difficult conversation.
727
00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:19,180
But knowing the truth,
728
00:39:19,191 --> 00:39:21,808
Hopefully this will help
linda heal.
729
00:39:32,186 --> 00:39:34,164
- For me, this case is not over
730
00:39:34,188 --> 00:39:35,947
Until we can get some answers
731
00:39:36,023 --> 00:39:37,927
To find out
who did this to kathy,
732
00:39:37,951 --> 00:39:40,045
And get those answers
to linda and her family.
733
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:42,328
The good news to me
is I have a name, buxton.
734
00:39:42,363 --> 00:39:44,174
So why not,
let's try and let's look
735
00:39:44,198 --> 00:39:47,291
For property owners in oregon.
736
00:39:47,368 --> 00:39:49,335
But then the team sends me
737
00:39:49,412 --> 00:39:53,339
A little, tiny newspaper
article from 1966
738
00:39:53,416 --> 00:39:55,174
That listed the incident
739
00:39:55,209 --> 00:40:00,730
Where kathy's father leo
and his buddy die in a car.
740
00:40:00,807 --> 00:40:03,349
Leo, him and a buddy
get stuck in the mud.
741
00:40:03,384 --> 00:40:07,019
They leave the car running
'cause it's too cold outside,
742
00:40:07,054 --> 00:40:09,823
And they asphyxiate in the car.
743
00:40:12,152 --> 00:40:14,694
And as is common
when people are mentioned
744
00:40:14,729 --> 00:40:16,195
In newspaper articles,
745
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:17,905
It lists the city
that they're from.
746
00:40:17,916 --> 00:40:20,917
And next to leo's name was
the words "oakland, oregon."
747
00:40:22,945 --> 00:40:26,038
And that was the first time
we got a city in oregon
748
00:40:26,073 --> 00:40:28,633
Where he's supposedly from.
749
00:40:31,096 --> 00:40:33,596
I know oakland is
a very small town.
750
00:40:33,673 --> 00:40:35,225
It's not like salem or portland
751
00:40:35,249 --> 00:40:37,394
Where you got hundreds
of thousands of people.
752
00:40:37,418 --> 00:40:39,760
So pretty quick property search
753
00:40:39,771 --> 00:40:42,180
Of douglas county records
for the name of "buxton,"
754
00:40:42,256 --> 00:40:44,941
And up popped an older couple,
so I gave them a call.
755
00:40:45,018 --> 00:40:46,996
He was more than helpful,
but he was like
756
00:40:47,020 --> 00:40:49,406
"I'm sorry, I don't know the
names you're throwing out."
757
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:51,241
I was about to hang up
with him and he said,
758
00:40:51,265 --> 00:40:53,274
"you know, people used to ask
me when I moved here
759
00:40:53,285 --> 00:40:55,359
If I'm related
to richard buxton,"
760
00:40:55,436 --> 00:40:57,456
Who I guess has been
around here forever.
761
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:58,955
So I called richard,
762
00:40:59,032 --> 00:41:01,084
I started to tell him
a little bit about my case,
763
00:41:01,108 --> 00:41:02,845
And he interrupted me
and he said,
764
00:41:02,869 --> 00:41:05,411
"is this about
my adopted sister kathy?"
765
00:41:19,961 --> 00:41:23,638
- 23 years after
our jane doe was murdered,
766
00:41:23,648 --> 00:41:26,933
We finally know her name
is kathy thomas,
767
00:41:26,968 --> 00:41:29,652
Born in oklahoma.
768
00:41:29,729 --> 00:41:32,271
Kathy's father, leo,
769
00:41:32,348 --> 00:41:36,484
Took six-year-old
kathy to oregon in 1959,
770
00:41:36,495 --> 00:41:40,330
And adopted her out
to a family named buxton.
771
00:41:41,691 --> 00:41:44,325
- Kathy's adopted brother,
richard, lives in oregon.
772
00:41:44,336 --> 00:41:46,004
We're on our way to see him
to find out
773
00:41:46,028 --> 00:41:48,955
What he knows about kathy.
774
00:41:49,031 --> 00:41:51,457
Which I knew was
a small town in oregon,
775
00:41:51,492 --> 00:41:55,586
So that caused me to search
property records in oakland
776
00:41:55,663 --> 00:41:57,514
For someone named buxton,
777
00:41:57,590 --> 00:41:59,966
And I found an old couple
who are in their 80s,
778
00:42:00,001 --> 00:42:01,812
And they didn't know
anything about the names
779
00:42:01,836 --> 00:42:04,354
I was giving them,
but right before I hung up,
780
00:42:04,430 --> 00:42:06,483
They said,
"people used to always ask me,
781
00:42:06,507 --> 00:42:08,485
'are you related
to richard buxton?'"
782
00:42:08,509 --> 00:42:10,643
- Right.
- And so I thought, well,
783
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:13,688
Let's try to find richard,
and I did find him.
784
00:42:13,698 --> 00:42:15,815
When I started
talking to richard,
785
00:42:15,850 --> 00:42:17,586
Telling him a little bit
about our case,
786
00:42:17,610 --> 00:42:19,527
And he interrupted me and said,
787
00:42:19,538 --> 00:42:22,321
"is this about
my adopted sister kathy?"
788
00:42:22,398 --> 00:42:23,990
I was just speechless.
789
00:42:24,025 --> 00:42:25,928
You know, I'm like, here we are.
790
00:42:25,952 --> 00:42:27,838
I found somebody
who knows kathy.
791
00:42:27,862 --> 00:42:29,996
He said, "well,
her dad's name was leo.
792
00:42:30,031 --> 00:42:31,789
Her mom's name was jessie."
793
00:42:31,866 --> 00:42:33,769
I'm like,
"oh, richard, you and I
794
00:42:33,793 --> 00:42:35,437
Are going to be doing
a lot of talking, I think."
795
00:42:35,461 --> 00:42:36,622
- A lot of talking.
796
00:42:36,646 --> 00:42:39,714
We've just got such huge gaps
in kathy's life,
797
00:42:39,724 --> 00:42:43,726
So it would be nice to fill
in some of these blanks.
798
00:42:50,569 --> 00:42:52,944
There we go.
799
00:42:57,725 --> 00:43:00,618
- Hi, rick. Nice to meet you.
- You too.
800
00:43:04,899 --> 00:43:07,658
- I think so.
801
00:43:07,735 --> 00:43:08,843
- Oh, sweet!
802
00:43:08,845 --> 00:43:11,588
- My wife dug out stuff out
of an old cedar chest
803
00:43:11,664 --> 00:43:13,581
That I had ended up with.
804
00:43:13,592 --> 00:43:16,375
Didn't even know
I had all this stuff.
805
00:43:16,452 --> 00:43:18,612
- Oh, my god, look how cute
you guys look.
806
00:43:20,581 --> 00:43:21,781
Richard was six years old,
807
00:43:21,858 --> 00:43:25,727
The same age kathy was,
when kathy arrived with leo.
808
00:43:27,088 --> 00:43:29,430
- There are some
teenage ones in there.
809
00:43:29,441 --> 00:43:31,524
- Mm-hmm.
- Probably junior high.
810
00:43:33,686 --> 00:43:36,613
- Richard's parents,
ailene and orlin buxton,
811
00:43:36,689 --> 00:43:38,615
Owned several properties.
812
00:43:38,691 --> 00:43:43,903
One they rented to leo
and kathy around 1960.
813
00:43:43,938 --> 00:43:48,699
- This is the house
that her and leo stayed in
814
00:43:48,776 --> 00:43:50,618
When they came.
815
00:43:50,629 --> 00:43:52,589
They lived in this room up here.
816
00:43:54,824 --> 00:43:57,375
My mom had made all these
into apartments,
817
00:43:57,451 --> 00:44:00,586
Little single room,
and they stayed up there.
818
00:44:00,663 --> 00:44:02,922
- These are amazing.
Why don't we do this?
819
00:44:02,998 --> 00:44:04,474
Why don't we take a drive
820
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:06,809
Out to the house
where you guys grew up?
821
00:44:06,886 --> 00:44:10,396
- Yeah.
- We'll just follow you.
822
00:44:19,014 --> 00:44:21,649
- It's changed a lot, huh?- Okay.- Yep.
823
00:44:21,660 --> 00:44:22,950
This was your guys' house?
824
00:44:25,146 --> 00:44:27,655
- When you first met kathy,
you were an only child, right?
825
00:44:27,666 --> 00:44:28,823
- Mm-hmm.
826
00:44:28,833 --> 00:44:31,617
- So what was it like
having her around?
827
00:44:31,694 --> 00:44:33,722
- She'd come walking up
every morning,
828
00:44:33,746 --> 00:44:35,674
My mom would let her
come in and eat
829
00:44:35,698 --> 00:44:37,134
Because she never had anything.
830
00:44:37,158 --> 00:44:38,916
She didn't have any shoes.
831
00:44:38,993 --> 00:44:41,138
We had a heck of a time
getting her to wear shoes.
832
00:44:41,162 --> 00:44:43,671
I can remember a story
833
00:44:43,682 --> 00:44:45,802
That her dad
would go into a beer joint.
834
00:44:45,833 --> 00:44:47,477
Shouldn't have even took a kid
in a beer joint,
835
00:44:47,501 --> 00:44:48,467
But you could back then.
836
00:44:48,502 --> 00:44:50,687
She could sing.
837
00:44:50,763 --> 00:44:54,807
And she would sing
and pass the hat.
838
00:44:54,842 --> 00:44:56,153
- Maybe that's why he took her?
839
00:44:56,177 --> 00:44:58,155
He figured she could
make money for them.
840
00:44:58,179 --> 00:45:00,521
- Oh, I think he'd just
make food, is what I think,
841
00:45:00,532 --> 00:45:02,690
Or beer.
842
00:45:02,701 --> 00:45:04,701
- Horrible life for a kid.
843
00:45:04,777 --> 00:45:08,037
- Yeah.
844
00:45:08,114 --> 00:45:10,581
Her dad was a loser.
845
00:45:14,695 --> 00:45:16,996
- Richard's mother,
ailene buxton,
846
00:45:17,031 --> 00:45:18,998
Took kathy under her wing
847
00:45:19,033 --> 00:45:22,168
And became a positive
influence in her life.
848
00:45:22,203 --> 00:45:25,129
She even set up a bedroom
inside their home for kathy,
849
00:45:25,206 --> 00:45:27,840
And bought her clothes.
850
00:45:27,875 --> 00:45:30,176
- She'd come up
and never leave and...
851
00:45:30,211 --> 00:45:32,887
became a permanent guest?
852
00:45:32,897 --> 00:45:35,055
- Did leo bring up the idea of
the adoption or did your mom?
853
00:45:35,066 --> 00:45:36,733
- My mom.
854
00:45:36,809 --> 00:45:40,903
Leo left to go find work
and never come back.
855
00:45:40,980 --> 00:45:43,189
And then he got in contact
with my mom
856
00:45:43,265 --> 00:45:47,744
And he was up against it,
and my mom sent him $5,000,
857
00:45:47,820 --> 00:45:49,873
Which was a lot of money
in 1960.
858
00:45:49,897 --> 00:45:51,572
- Sure.
- Yeah it was.
859
00:45:51,583 --> 00:45:54,143
- And he signed
the adoption papers.
860
00:45:55,945 --> 00:45:59,005
- She became richard's
adopted sister.
861
00:46:00,925 --> 00:46:03,167
- My mother wanted a daughter.
862
00:46:03,244 --> 00:46:04,752
They couldn't have any kids.
863
00:46:04,763 --> 00:46:07,922
They adopted me when I was,
like, a newborn.
864
00:46:07,932 --> 00:46:11,217
- Growing up, kathy and
richard lost their adopted dad
865
00:46:11,293 --> 00:46:12,769
To heart disease,
866
00:46:12,845 --> 00:46:15,930
But kathy became close
to her new mom, ailene.
867
00:46:15,940 --> 00:46:20,768
Ten years later, in 1970,
ailene became ill with cancer.
868
00:46:20,779 --> 00:46:23,946
It hit kathy particularly hard.
869
00:46:28,602 --> 00:46:32,071
So when kathy meets
18-year-old carl tracy,
870
00:46:32,147 --> 00:46:35,741
She was very vulnerable.
871
00:46:35,818 --> 00:46:39,620
Though kathy was only 16,
she and carl tied the knot.
872
00:46:39,631 --> 00:46:41,798
Soon after, she was pregnant.
873
00:46:41,874 --> 00:46:44,801
They were both teenagers,
so it was no shock
874
00:46:44,877 --> 00:46:47,037
That the relationship
didn't last long.
875
00:46:49,215 --> 00:46:51,966
- They got married
in August of '70.
876
00:46:51,976 --> 00:46:54,227
They got divorced
in April of '71.
877
00:46:59,300 --> 00:47:00,869
And he left the state
almost immediately
878
00:47:00,893 --> 00:47:02,652
And joined the navy.
879
00:47:02,728 --> 00:47:06,105
I don't know if carl
paid child support.
880
00:47:06,140 --> 00:47:10,776
Hard to know what carl
actually thought at the time.
881
00:47:10,853 --> 00:47:13,153
Carl's actions
are certainly suspect.
882
00:47:13,164 --> 00:47:14,822
Perhaps he didn't want
to be tied down
883
00:47:14,833 --> 00:47:16,833
With a child or child support.
884
00:47:23,198 --> 00:47:25,666
- Kathy gives birth
to a daughter in July.
885
00:47:25,677 --> 00:47:29,795
She names her tina ailene,
in honor of her sick mom.
886
00:47:40,859 --> 00:47:42,819
Really, the only people
that truly cared
887
00:47:42,843 --> 00:47:44,310
About her was your mom,
888
00:47:44,345 --> 00:47:46,979
And then she lost her at such
a young, vulnerable age.
889
00:47:47,014 --> 00:47:49,189
- Her security blanket was gone.
890
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:50,700
- Yeah.
891
00:47:50,776 --> 00:47:53,319
In her will,
ailene left a large estate
892
00:47:53,395 --> 00:47:58,782
To richard and kathy
to split when they turned 25.
893
00:47:58,859 --> 00:48:00,899
- A couple years later,
she was broke
894
00:48:00,953 --> 00:48:04,288
And wanted to sell her part
of the escrow that we'd set up.
895
00:48:04,365 --> 00:48:06,217
And I tried to talk her
out of it.
896
00:48:06,241 --> 00:48:07,344
If she would have kept it,
897
00:48:07,368 --> 00:48:11,170
It would have amounted
to $360,000.
898
00:48:11,205 --> 00:48:14,965
She would have had $1,000
a month coming for 30 years.
899
00:48:15,042 --> 00:48:17,676
- Starting when you were 25.
- Yes.
900
00:48:17,711 --> 00:48:20,179
I mean, that don't sound
like much now, but it was then.
901
00:48:20,214 --> 00:48:23,566
- She just wanted the money.
- She wanted out.
902
00:48:24,736 --> 00:48:27,978
She sold me her part
of the escrow.
903
00:48:28,055 --> 00:48:30,648
It was a bad choice.
Very bad choice.
904
00:48:30,724 --> 00:48:32,364
- Very bad choice,
versus hanging onto it.
905
00:48:32,393 --> 00:48:33,359
- Yeah.
906
00:48:41,235 --> 00:48:43,305
- Tina's entitled
to kathy's share of that.
907
00:48:43,329 --> 00:48:45,871
- Yeah.
- And I still got it.
908
00:48:45,906 --> 00:48:47,884
- And your mom, I'm sure,
would feel the same way.
909
00:48:47,908 --> 00:48:52,086
- Yeah, but I'm afraid
tina ain't with us.
910
00:48:52,096 --> 00:48:54,088
I don't know who told me that,
911
00:48:54,098 --> 00:48:56,418
But somebody said that
that tina had passed away.
912
00:49:03,107 --> 00:49:07,017
- Richard told us that kathy's
daughter tina died.
913
00:49:07,094 --> 00:49:10,321
But we have to find out
if that's true.
914
00:49:11,950 --> 00:49:14,951
But a search for tina ailene
comes up empty.
915
00:49:15,027 --> 00:49:17,236
So we need to track down
carl tracy,
916
00:49:17,312 --> 00:49:20,289
Kathy's ex-husband,
tina's father.
917
00:49:20,366 --> 00:49:22,866
Does he know anything
about kathy's murder?
918
00:49:22,943 --> 00:49:25,703
Spouses, whether they are
still married or not,
919
00:49:25,779 --> 00:49:29,298
Are always potential suspects.
920
00:49:29,375 --> 00:49:33,135
- We're trying to find out
more information about her.
921
00:49:42,388 --> 00:49:44,548
- Why do you doubt
that they got divorced?
922
00:50:07,821 --> 00:50:11,582
- In oregon, kathy's adopted
brother, richard buxton,
923
00:50:11,658 --> 00:50:13,917
Told us that kathy
had given birth
924
00:50:13,994 --> 00:50:18,431
To a daughter named tina ailene
when she was 17 years old.
925
00:50:20,834 --> 00:50:24,136
Richard also revealed
that kathy had married
926
00:50:24,171 --> 00:50:26,472
And divorced the father,
carl tracy.
927
00:50:26,507 --> 00:50:29,266
We have to find out
if carl knows anything
928
00:50:29,343 --> 00:50:32,153
About his ex-wife's murder,
but first we have to find him.
929
00:50:33,531 --> 00:50:37,691
- The records I found show that
he lived in the las vegas area.
930
00:50:44,450 --> 00:50:46,450
- Hey, is this carl tracy?
931
00:50:46,527 --> 00:50:47,634
My name's john williams,
I'm a detective
932
00:50:47,636 --> 00:50:51,789
With the polk county
sheriff's office up in oregon.
933
00:50:51,865 --> 00:50:53,843
Wanted to know if you might
have a few minutes
934
00:50:53,867 --> 00:50:55,827
I could talk to you about kathy,
935
00:50:55,869 --> 00:50:57,869
Who you were married to
years ago?
936
00:51:00,374 --> 00:51:01,851
- The information
I've been able to find
937
00:51:01,875 --> 00:51:04,176
Was that she had
a girl with you,
938
00:51:04,211 --> 00:51:06,178
And I think her name was tina,
939
00:51:06,213 --> 00:51:09,848
But we've not been able to find
any information about tina.
940
00:51:09,883 --> 00:51:12,276
We were hoping
that she might have...
941
00:51:17,391 --> 00:51:19,742
- Okay.
942
00:51:19,819 --> 00:51:21,485
This might actually be true,
943
00:51:21,562 --> 00:51:23,862
'cause kathy has family
out in oklahoma.
944
00:51:23,897 --> 00:51:26,740
So I felt this was the time
now I could reveal to carl
945
00:51:26,751 --> 00:51:27,877
A little more about kathy.
946
00:51:27,901 --> 00:51:30,494
Kathy is deceased,
947
00:51:30,571 --> 00:51:32,971
And we're trying to find out
what happened to her.
948
00:51:36,910 --> 00:51:40,221
- Did you ever see her
after you guys got divorced?
949
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,652
- Did you see her with
somebody or not at all?
950
00:51:59,933 --> 00:52:02,234
- When carl said the name
jug gardner,
951
00:52:02,269 --> 00:52:05,529
That immediately rang a bell.
952
00:52:05,606 --> 00:52:08,740
Linda told me that when kathy
came out for that visit,
953
00:52:08,817 --> 00:52:10,868
That her husband's name was jug.
954
00:52:10,944 --> 00:52:12,922
Did you ever hear
that she got married to him
955
00:52:12,946 --> 00:52:14,880
After she got married to you?
956
00:52:16,491 --> 00:52:17,916
- Yeah.
957
00:52:17,993 --> 00:52:20,761
- Okay.
958
00:52:25,334 --> 00:52:26,884
- Okay.
959
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,720
- Well, thank you, carl.
960
00:52:29,796 --> 00:52:32,764
- Detective williams finds
no evidence linking carl tracy
961
00:52:32,799 --> 00:52:34,766
To his ex-wife's murder.
962
00:52:34,843 --> 00:52:36,779
- When carl and kathy
got divorced,
963
00:52:36,803 --> 00:52:39,605
He joined the navy and then
once he got out of the navy,
964
00:52:39,681 --> 00:52:42,399
He's been living in nevada,
and have been for decades.
965
00:52:42,476 --> 00:52:45,277
There was no evidence
that carl was in oregon
966
00:52:45,354 --> 00:52:47,946
At the time kathy was killed.
967
00:52:47,981 --> 00:52:50,499
- Now, we need to find out
what we can
968
00:52:50,576 --> 00:52:53,285
About james gardner,
nicknamed jug.
969
00:52:53,362 --> 00:52:56,505
Is he still possibly
in the area?
970
00:52:57,917 --> 00:53:00,584
- We looked at birth records,
marriage records,
971
00:53:00,661 --> 00:53:03,420
Employment records,
972
00:53:03,497 --> 00:53:06,432
And james "jug" gardner
was a laborer.
973
00:53:07,927 --> 00:53:10,636
And what was interesting,
he rented an apartment
974
00:53:10,671 --> 00:53:12,763
In the same building
that kathy lived in,
975
00:53:12,839 --> 00:53:15,766
And they must have hit it off.
976
00:53:15,842 --> 00:53:18,101
- At the time,
kathy was all alone.
977
00:53:18,178 --> 00:53:20,520
She never had any close friends,
978
00:53:20,531 --> 00:53:22,981
Probably stemming
from being abandoned
979
00:53:23,016 --> 00:53:24,816
By her biological parents.
980
00:53:24,893 --> 00:53:28,654
Just 18 years old and with
an infant daughter to raise,
981
00:53:28,730 --> 00:53:32,541
Kathy turns to jug for support.
982
00:53:32,618 --> 00:53:36,545
According to court records,
the couple marry in December,
983
00:53:36,622 --> 00:53:39,381
Two months
after her mother's death.
984
00:53:41,034 --> 00:53:44,336
Birth certificates
reveal that in 1973,
985
00:53:44,413 --> 00:53:48,966
Kathy gave birth to her
second child, james, jr.,
986
00:53:49,042 --> 00:53:53,412
And then her third child,
candice, in 1974.
987
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,643
Kathy and james gardner
had split up.
988
00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:01,728
We need to find
husband number two.
989
00:54:01,739 --> 00:54:03,730
He might know something more
990
00:54:03,741 --> 00:54:07,785
About where kathy was
the night she was killed.
991
00:54:09,062 --> 00:54:11,022
- James gardner, second husband,
992
00:54:11,064 --> 00:54:13,365
Had a lot of addresses
in his history.
993
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,585
A lot of phone numbers.
They were all disconnected.
994
00:54:16,662 --> 00:54:18,589
I was lucky enough
to reach his sister.
995
00:54:18,613 --> 00:54:20,422
She was not close to james.
996
00:54:20,499 --> 00:54:22,416
She said, "I don't really
know where he's at,
997
00:54:22,426 --> 00:54:25,585
But he's in sutherland
somewhere."
998
00:54:42,929 --> 00:54:44,938
So it's this side of the street.
999
00:54:44,949 --> 00:54:46,909
It's probably that
blue house right there.
1000
00:54:46,933 --> 00:54:49,860
There's a lady.
I'm gonna go talk to her.
1001
00:54:49,936 --> 00:54:51,453
- You go knock on the door,
1002
00:54:51,530 --> 00:54:54,031
And I can listen in the car
what's going on.
1003
00:54:54,107 --> 00:54:57,075
- Hi there!
1004
00:54:57,110 --> 00:54:58,921
I work for the polk county
sheriff's office
1005
00:54:58,945 --> 00:55:01,038
Up in the salem area.
1006
00:55:01,114 --> 00:55:04,207
I was trying to find
a guy named james gardner.
1007
00:55:04,284 --> 00:55:07,210
Does he live here?
1008
00:55:07,287 --> 00:55:09,713
- Well, he's not in trouble.
1009
00:55:09,790 --> 00:55:11,724
He's my I.D.
1010
00:55:13,126 --> 00:55:15,552
- I'm in the car watching
and listening,
1011
00:55:15,629 --> 00:55:18,480
I'm not sure who the woman is,
maybe james' wife,
1012
00:55:18,557 --> 00:55:21,600
But I hope she can convince
him to come out and talk.
1013
00:55:21,676 --> 00:55:23,769
- Hey, are you james?
1014
00:55:23,804 --> 00:55:26,572
- My name's john williams.
1015
00:55:28,809 --> 00:55:32,411
- Kathy's been missing
for about 23 years, since '96.
1016
00:55:33,664 --> 00:55:37,416
- And we're trying to find
out more information about her.
1017
00:55:47,828 --> 00:55:51,254
- I've got a helper helping me
with this investigation.
1018
00:55:51,331 --> 00:55:54,725
Do you mind if she walks over
and joins in the conversation?
1019
00:55:59,172 --> 00:56:01,932
- James, this is yolanda.
- Hi.
1020
00:56:02,008 --> 00:56:03,152
- Without mentioning
that kathy was dead,
1021
00:56:03,176 --> 00:56:05,154
We asked james
about their relationship.
1022
00:56:05,178 --> 00:56:07,646
- When you guys got married,
1023
00:56:07,722 --> 00:56:10,816
I think it was like in '71,
1024
00:56:10,851 --> 00:56:12,826
Did she have a kid?
1025
00:56:14,538 --> 00:56:16,091
- My understanding
is that you guys
1026
00:56:16,115 --> 00:56:18,665
Had two kids together.
1027
00:56:21,194 --> 00:56:23,045
- What happened with the kids
1028
00:56:23,122 --> 00:56:25,589
When you got divorced
from kathy?
1029
00:56:39,379 --> 00:56:40,679
- Okay.
1030
00:56:40,714 --> 00:56:43,807
James was told
by oklahoma child welfare
1031
00:56:43,884 --> 00:56:46,059
That kathy had the kids
removed from her
1032
00:56:46,070 --> 00:56:48,979
Because she would leave
them alone, unattended.
1033
00:56:49,055 --> 00:56:51,064
And at the time,
they would have been five,
1034
00:56:51,075 --> 00:56:52,732
Six, seven years old.
1035
00:56:52,743 --> 00:56:55,068
And all three got put
into foster care?
1036
00:56:55,079 --> 00:56:57,162
- And they were adopted out?
1037
00:56:58,582 --> 00:57:00,907
- It sounds like history
is repeating itself.
1038
00:57:00,918 --> 00:57:02,712
Kathy and her biological sisters
1039
00:57:02,736 --> 00:57:04,380
Were separated
from their parents
1040
00:57:04,404 --> 00:57:08,331
When they were about
the same age as kathy's kids.
1041
00:57:08,408 --> 00:57:12,210
I'm not a therapist, but I can
see how kathy's troubled past
1042
00:57:12,245 --> 00:57:15,172
Affected her ability
to have a normal relationship,
1043
00:57:15,248 --> 00:57:18,175
Or to parent
three small children.
1044
00:57:18,251 --> 00:57:22,179
James may have been upset with
kathy for losing his kids,
1045
00:57:22,255 --> 00:57:23,847
But that's not all.
1046
00:57:23,924 --> 00:57:25,765
Money may have also
played a part.
1047
00:57:25,776 --> 00:57:28,944
Kathy was due to inherit
a fortune when she turned 25.
1048
00:57:29,021 --> 00:57:30,687
In my book,
1049
00:57:30,764 --> 00:57:33,773
That's a strong motivation
if they were still married.
1050
00:57:33,784 --> 00:57:37,870
- Did she ever receive any kind
of inheritance from her mom?
1051
00:57:46,797 --> 00:57:48,257
- But you didn't see any of that
1052
00:57:48,281 --> 00:57:50,048
When you are married to kathy?
1053
00:57:52,136 --> 00:57:53,886
- Okay.
1054
00:58:00,644 --> 00:58:03,887
- James gardner last saw kathy
years before her death.
1055
00:58:03,964 --> 00:58:06,648
And he was living
in southern oregon,
1056
00:58:06,725 --> 00:58:08,725
And there's
really nothing to show
1057
00:58:08,802 --> 00:58:11,570
That he had anything
to do with her death.
1058
00:58:17,310 --> 00:58:20,078
- Whatever happened with tina?
1059
00:58:20,998 --> 00:58:23,240
- I'm not sure on that.
1060
00:58:23,316 --> 00:58:26,084
- Do you still have contact
with james and candy?
1061
00:58:28,363 --> 00:58:30,288
- Okay.
- All right.
1062
00:58:30,365 --> 00:58:31,831
- Well...
1063
00:58:31,842 --> 00:58:34,668
- No, you gave us some
information we didn't have,
1064
00:58:34,678 --> 00:58:36,678
So we appreciate it.
1065
00:58:36,755 --> 00:58:39,839
- Candice and james found
their biological father.
1066
00:58:39,850 --> 00:58:43,426
Could they have reconnected
with kathy before her death?
1067
00:58:43,503 --> 00:58:45,020
We've got to find them.
1068
00:58:45,097 --> 00:58:47,689
- Uncle billy who told us
that those kids may still
1069
00:58:47,766 --> 00:58:50,308
Be living in oklahoma,
and sure enough,
1070
00:58:50,343 --> 00:58:53,937
I found a number
for candice thomas in tulsa.
1071
00:58:54,014 --> 00:58:56,158
I've been wanting to call her,
but I really don't have
1072
00:58:56,182 --> 00:58:58,327
The heart to break the news
over the telephone
1073
00:58:58,351 --> 00:59:00,318
That her mother passed away.
1074
00:59:12,532 --> 00:59:14,343
Hi candy,
my name's john williams.
1075
00:59:14,367 --> 00:59:16,512
I'm a detective with the polk
county sheriff's office
1076
00:59:16,536 --> 00:59:17,836
Up in oregon.
1077
00:59:17,871 --> 00:59:19,054
How are you doing?
1078
00:59:19,131 --> 00:59:20,463
- The reason I'm calling
1079
00:59:20,540 --> 00:59:24,134
Is I've had a case
for about 23 years,
1080
00:59:24,210 --> 00:59:27,646
And we've determined that it
involves your mother, kathy.
1081
00:59:53,782 --> 00:59:57,208
- For the past 11 months,
detective williams and I
1082
00:59:57,285 --> 01:00:00,587
Have been trying to track down
what happened to kathy thomas
1083
01:00:00,598 --> 01:00:04,507
And if her first child, tina,
is still alive.
1084
01:00:04,584 --> 01:00:09,888
We located her youngest child,
candice thomas, in oklahoma,
1085
01:00:09,923 --> 01:00:12,190
To find out what she might know.
1086
01:00:42,806 --> 01:00:44,798
- This was such
an incredible moment
1087
01:00:44,808 --> 01:00:47,258
For detective williams and I.
1088
01:00:47,293 --> 01:00:50,646
Everyone thought that something
possibly happened to tina,
1089
01:00:50,722 --> 01:00:53,765
And now both of us couldn't be
more excited to know
1090
01:00:53,842 --> 01:00:55,642
That tina's here and well.
1091
01:01:03,643 --> 01:01:06,277
Well, I am hoping that candy
is still in touch with tina.
1092
01:01:06,312 --> 01:01:08,613
- Yeah.
1093
01:01:08,690 --> 01:01:11,324
- It's just gonna be
an emotional moment.
1094
01:01:11,335 --> 01:01:13,493
'cause for the first time,
you are going to hear
1095
01:01:13,504 --> 01:01:17,831
That your mother was murdered
23 years ago.
1096
01:01:17,841 --> 01:01:20,417
- It's a death notification,
it really is.
1097
01:01:20,493 --> 01:01:21,510
- Mm-hmm.
1098
01:01:21,586 --> 01:01:24,471
- I've done a few of those,
and they're not pleasant.
1099
01:01:27,759 --> 01:01:31,636
- This should be five and
maybe the next one is seven.
1100
01:01:31,713 --> 01:01:34,806
All right, here we go.
1101
01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:45,442
- Hi. Are you candy?
- Yep.
1102
01:01:45,518 --> 01:01:46,860
Candice is what I go by.
Candice.
1103
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:48,497
- Candice.
- All right. John williams.
1104
01:01:48,521 --> 01:01:50,530
- Nice to meet you.
- Hi, yolanda mcclary.
1105
01:01:50,541 --> 01:01:51,667
- Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
1106
01:01:51,691 --> 01:01:52,835
Well, thank you for seeing us.
1107
01:02:17,568 --> 01:02:23,897
- The only memories that I have
was from the foster home on.
1108
01:02:23,907 --> 01:02:27,859
I have no visual memories
1109
01:02:27,894 --> 01:02:29,861
Of james or kathy at all.
1110
01:02:29,896 --> 01:02:32,363
My mom and dad kept
all the details from us.
1111
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,084
Everybody knew but us,
which, I mean,
1112
01:02:34,108 --> 01:02:36,468
You're not gonna tell kids,
you know, what happened.
1113
01:02:38,446 --> 01:02:39,924
- Were you adopted together,
all of you?
1114
01:02:39,948 --> 01:02:41,884
- James and I
were adopted together.
1115
01:02:41,908 --> 01:02:43,374
- Okay.
1116
01:02:43,451 --> 01:02:45,877
- Tina was adopted
one month before we were.
1117
01:02:45,954 --> 01:02:49,714
I can't tell you
how we ended split up.
1118
01:02:49,791 --> 01:02:53,593
I can't tell you why tina
ended up somewhere else.
1119
01:02:53,604 --> 01:02:57,430
I just know that she did.
1120
01:02:57,441 --> 01:03:00,892
I just know that
she wasn't with me anymore.
1121
01:03:00,969 --> 01:03:03,394
We saw each other off and on
for a couple years,
1122
01:03:03,471 --> 01:03:04,729
And then we grew apart.
1123
01:03:04,806 --> 01:03:06,898
There was just, I don't know,
1124
01:03:06,975 --> 01:03:10,860
A lot of outside factors
that kept us apart, I think.
1125
01:03:10,937 --> 01:03:14,447
It's just, um...
1126
01:03:14,458 --> 01:03:16,407
It's just really, really hard
1127
01:03:16,484 --> 01:03:21,079
Because we're all so scarred,
and we're all so hurt.
1128
01:03:21,155 --> 01:03:26,876
And we haven't known anything,
I mean, anything at all.
1129
01:03:26,953 --> 01:03:29,963
So we've just walked around
with a lot of hatred and anger
1130
01:03:29,973 --> 01:03:31,798
For many, many years.
1131
01:03:31,809 --> 01:03:35,811
I just knew that I was angry
and I wanted to find her,
1132
01:03:35,887 --> 01:03:38,930
And I wanted to tell her off,
and I wanted questions,
1133
01:03:39,007 --> 01:03:42,767
I wanted to know why.
1134
01:03:42,844 --> 01:03:44,446
And unfortunately, you know,
1135
01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:45,990
I'm never gonna get that answer.
1136
01:03:46,014 --> 01:03:48,898
I'm never gonna be able
to ask her, "why?"
1137
01:03:48,975 --> 01:03:53,319
Why she did the things she did.
It's just not gonna happen.
1138
01:03:53,330 --> 01:03:55,446
My mom was young.
1139
01:03:55,523 --> 01:03:58,658
You know, she had a rough life.
1140
01:03:58,669 --> 01:04:02,453
It's very understandable that
my mom would make mistakes
1141
01:04:02,488 --> 01:04:04,497
And that she needed support.
1142
01:04:04,508 --> 01:04:06,468
And then it finally dawned
on me that, you know,
1143
01:04:06,492 --> 01:04:10,587
My mom was the victim and not
the perpetrator in that crime,
1144
01:04:10,663 --> 01:04:13,423
And so it changed things
quite a bit.
1145
01:04:13,499 --> 01:04:17,760
It completely...
It changed things.
1146
01:04:17,837 --> 01:04:20,138
- But what's important is,
it's not your fault,
1147
01:04:20,173 --> 01:04:21,639
What happened to you.
1148
01:04:21,716 --> 01:04:24,142
It's not tina's fault,
and it's not james' fault.
1149
01:04:24,218 --> 01:04:28,646
I mean, you were kind of
the victims of kathy's
1150
01:04:28,723 --> 01:04:30,607
Not able to take care of you.
1151
01:04:30,683 --> 01:04:33,860
So maybe something good
that can come out of this
1152
01:04:33,871 --> 01:04:37,706
Is you guys can put aside
whatever it was
1153
01:04:37,782 --> 01:04:42,493
And reconnect and
stay connected and, you know.
1154
01:04:42,528 --> 01:04:43,828
- And I think we will.
1155
01:04:43,905 --> 01:04:47,549
We slowly are, and this'll
help get some closure
1156
01:04:47,626 --> 01:04:49,792
To maybe start healing
a little bit.
1157
01:04:59,804 --> 01:05:05,016
I know, but they've got
a lot of information.
1158
01:05:05,093 --> 01:05:08,186
I mean, I found out a lot.
1159
01:05:08,221 --> 01:05:11,064
And they would like
to talk to you.
1160
01:05:11,074 --> 01:05:13,825
I mean...
1161
01:05:16,729 --> 01:05:18,633
Would you like...
Would you want to...
1162
01:05:18,657 --> 01:05:20,749
- Yeah, why don't you
talk to her.
1163
01:05:20,825 --> 01:05:23,868
Ah.
1164
01:05:23,903 --> 01:05:27,914
- Hi tina.
My name's john williams.
1165
01:05:27,925 --> 01:05:32,877
- I've been working this case
for over six years,
1166
01:05:32,954 --> 01:05:35,046
And then yolanda and her team
1167
01:05:35,123 --> 01:05:39,550
Started to assist me in doing
genealogical dna testing,
1168
01:05:39,585 --> 01:05:41,761
And we were able
to finally determine
1169
01:05:41,772 --> 01:05:43,096
Just a couple months ago
1170
01:05:43,106 --> 01:05:47,525
That it was in fact kathy,
your mom.
1171
01:05:50,021 --> 01:05:51,562
- I wish we could've provided
1172
01:05:51,639 --> 01:05:54,732
This info to you
and candice years ago,
1173
01:05:54,809 --> 01:05:58,236
But unfortunately it finally
took till technology
1174
01:05:58,312 --> 01:06:02,740
Kind of caught up
with these kind of cases.
1175
01:06:02,817 --> 01:06:09,455
- Yeah.
1176
01:06:09,466 --> 01:06:12,425
- Tell me the last thing
you remember.
1177
01:06:26,799 --> 01:06:29,600
- I can only tell you some of
the things that we found.
1178
01:06:29,677 --> 01:06:35,940
So you have an aunt sandy
and an aunt linda.
1179
01:06:35,975 --> 01:06:39,110
Linda, your aunt,
would love to talk to you.
1180
01:06:39,187 --> 01:06:43,823
- I had no idea about my aunt.
1181
01:06:43,834 --> 01:06:46,284
No clue.
I did know that some of...
1182
01:06:46,319 --> 01:06:48,911
That we had some family members
in okemah.
1183
01:06:48,988 --> 01:06:53,842
And obviously I'm amazed,
I'm in shock.
1184
01:06:53,918 --> 01:06:54,918
I'm excited.
1185
01:06:54,994 --> 01:06:58,129
- We're going to meet
with your aunt tomorrow.
1186
01:06:58,206 --> 01:07:00,974
- Got some family members
who would love to meet you.
1187
01:07:04,688 --> 01:07:07,638
- We appreciate you
talking to us.
1188
01:07:07,673 --> 01:07:09,974
- So...
1189
01:07:10,051 --> 01:07:11,320
- Thanks, tina.
Have a good night.
1190
01:07:11,344 --> 01:07:14,029
- Thanks tina.
1191
01:07:14,105 --> 01:07:15,855
- Give me a hug.
- Oh.
1192
01:07:15,866 --> 01:07:16,939
- Gosh.
1193
01:07:17,016 --> 01:07:20,359
You have a lot to sink in,
but it'll be all right.
1194
01:07:20,370 --> 01:07:23,038
Well, thank you guys.
- I hope I see you tomorrow.
1195
01:07:31,906 --> 01:07:34,165
- I said many times
over the years,
1196
01:07:34,242 --> 01:07:36,345
Somewhere out there,
there's somebody,
1197
01:07:36,369 --> 01:07:40,171
And this is better
than I expected,
1198
01:07:40,248 --> 01:07:43,049
To be able to actually meet
kathy's relatives
1199
01:07:43,060 --> 01:07:46,010
And give them the information
that they've been looking for.
1200
01:07:46,045 --> 01:07:48,679
'cause you were all adopted,
- mm-hmm.
1201
01:07:48,756 --> 01:07:51,974
- And then kathy's kids
were adopted.
1202
01:07:52,051 --> 01:07:53,226
- They were adopt...
- Oh, really?
1203
01:07:53,236 --> 01:07:55,186
- Yeah, they were adopted too.
1204
01:07:55,221 --> 01:07:56,687
- Ooh.
1205
01:07:56,722 --> 01:07:58,700
- Yeah, all three of them
were adopted.
1206
01:07:58,724 --> 01:08:01,150
- Oh, here we go again.
1207
01:08:01,227 --> 01:08:03,194
- I'll be right back.
1208
01:08:03,271 --> 01:08:07,874
- I mean, it just screws up
the family so bad.
1209
01:08:13,406 --> 01:08:17,708
- Linda, I want to
introduce you to your nieces.
1210
01:08:17,743 --> 01:08:19,377
- Oh, my god!
1211
01:08:33,685 --> 01:08:37,770
- Linda, I want to
introduce you to your nieces.
1212
01:08:37,781 --> 01:08:40,439
- Oh, my god!
- This is candice.
1213
01:08:40,450 --> 01:08:42,608
- Are you serious?
- And that's tina.
1214
01:08:42,619 --> 01:08:44,610
- Oh, my god!
1215
01:08:44,621 --> 01:08:47,446
Oh, man.
1216
01:08:47,457 --> 01:08:51,617
That's all I've ever wanted.
1217
01:08:51,628 --> 01:08:54,579
It's amazing.
1218
01:08:54,655 --> 01:08:59,542
And I got to say, you look
like your mother.
1219
01:08:59,619 --> 01:09:02,086
You know it?
- No.
1220
01:09:02,163 --> 01:09:07,383
- You do.
You look like your mother.
1221
01:09:07,460 --> 01:09:11,062
- It's still very shocking.
1222
01:09:13,633 --> 01:09:15,433
- That's all I've ever wanted.
1223
01:09:15,509 --> 01:09:18,319
Almost like an out-of-body
experience for me.
1224
01:09:18,396 --> 01:09:21,156
Many, many years
I've always wondered,
1225
01:09:21,232 --> 01:09:24,409
I've always thought to myself,
if only I knew.
1226
01:09:28,665 --> 01:09:32,250
- If only I had something
to fill in those blanks.
1227
01:09:36,414 --> 01:09:38,840
- All of a sudden,
it was right there in my lap.
1228
01:09:42,536 --> 01:09:45,129
I could remember her holding me.
1229
01:09:45,164 --> 01:09:51,186
I have this vision and these
little flashes of her face.
1230
01:09:51,262 --> 01:09:54,189
There was obviously
some negligence,
1231
01:09:54,265 --> 01:09:57,141
There was intervention
by the state of oklahoma
1232
01:09:57,218 --> 01:09:59,435
At some point.
1233
01:09:59,512 --> 01:10:03,689
And we were taken
and placed in foster care.
1234
01:10:03,700 --> 01:10:06,651
And I remember crying.
1235
01:10:06,686 --> 01:10:09,654
I was just holding
this little bag and I was,
1236
01:10:09,689 --> 01:10:12,749
"I want to go with you, mommy.
I want to go!"
1237
01:10:14,902 --> 01:10:16,327
- You see, these...
1238
01:10:16,404 --> 01:10:19,705
This was the first time
I've ever seen her.
1239
01:10:19,716 --> 01:10:22,208
When I saw these pictures,
it was the first time
1240
01:10:22,219 --> 01:10:26,170
I've ever had a visual of her.
1241
01:10:26,247 --> 01:10:27,713
You know, I didn't even know
1242
01:10:27,724 --> 01:10:29,715
What to picture for her
to look like.
1243
01:10:29,726 --> 01:10:33,469
I had no image to go by
or anything like that.
1244
01:10:33,546 --> 01:10:36,555
I just knew that
I wanted to find her.
1245
01:10:36,566 --> 01:10:40,226
- It breaks my heart
because part of me is angry
1246
01:10:40,237 --> 01:10:42,645
And part of me is heartbroken
1247
01:10:42,722 --> 01:10:46,324
Because of the circumstances
and how she died.
1248
01:10:48,394 --> 01:10:50,319
She was alone.
1249
01:10:50,396 --> 01:10:52,363
- And she suffered.
1250
01:10:52,440 --> 01:10:55,250
- And she obviously suffered
quite a bit.
1251
01:10:56,235 --> 01:10:58,536
She is at peace.
1252
01:10:58,571 --> 01:11:02,540
Maybe this is her reaching
back out and helping us
1253
01:11:02,616 --> 01:11:05,802
Get to some kind of closure.
- Mm-hmm.
1254
01:11:13,937 --> 01:11:16,771
- Now that we identified kathy
and found her children,
1255
01:11:16,848 --> 01:11:20,275
This was not the end for me
or detective williams.
1256
01:11:23,471 --> 01:11:26,355
It looks like the same year
that tina, candice,
1257
01:11:26,432 --> 01:11:30,776
And james jr. Were adopted,
kathy had moved to portland.
1258
01:11:30,787 --> 01:11:32,778
Perhaps she was trying
to start over
1259
01:11:32,789 --> 01:11:36,574
After two bad relationships
and sad memories.
1260
01:11:36,650 --> 01:11:40,369
Here, people wouldn't
know her past.
1261
01:11:40,446 --> 01:11:43,372
So then what happens?
1262
01:11:43,449 --> 01:11:47,710
- So we do know that in 1984
she meets another guy.
1263
01:11:47,787 --> 01:11:49,804
His name is brian clifton,
1264
01:11:49,881 --> 01:11:51,973
And he's from the portland area.
1265
01:11:52,050 --> 01:11:55,384
He's got parents, a brother,
maybe a sister.
1266
01:11:55,461 --> 01:11:57,439
And they actually
get married in portland.
1267
01:11:57,463 --> 01:12:00,556
- Ooh.
Okay.
1268
01:12:00,633 --> 01:12:03,267
- Apparently kathy didn't like
to stay in one place,
1269
01:12:03,344 --> 01:12:05,478
And after she married brian,
1270
01:12:05,488 --> 01:12:07,646
They moved from portland
to the salem area,
1271
01:12:07,657 --> 01:12:09,324
About 50 miles away.
1272
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,545
Did we ever find anything
that they had any children?
1273
01:12:11,569 --> 01:12:13,486
- I don't believe
they had children.
1274
01:12:13,496 --> 01:12:15,821
- Okay, so brian
and kathy though,
1275
01:12:15,832 --> 01:12:17,823
Were actually married
for quite some time, right?
1276
01:12:17,834 --> 01:12:22,411
- They were,
from '84 to at least '96.
1277
01:12:22,488 --> 01:12:24,580
- Now the question is,
1278
01:12:24,657 --> 01:12:27,342
Were kathy and brian
still legally married
1279
01:12:27,418 --> 01:12:31,596
When kathy was found murdered
on September 1, 1996?
1280
01:12:33,541 --> 01:12:37,635
There's also no divorce,
which is kind of odd.
1281
01:12:37,670 --> 01:12:39,678
- It is, because we found
her divorces
1282
01:12:39,689 --> 01:12:41,356
From the first marriages.
1283
01:12:41,432 --> 01:12:45,851
They were pretty easy to find,
and why can't we find that one?
1284
01:12:45,862 --> 01:12:47,748
- I guess the one thing
that just really,
1285
01:12:47,772 --> 01:12:50,773
Really just keeps
getting to me is,
1286
01:12:50,850 --> 01:12:52,867
You never see your wife again,
1287
01:12:52,944 --> 01:12:55,444
But you don't report
her missing either.
1288
01:12:55,521 --> 01:12:56,779
- How does someone go missing
1289
01:12:56,856 --> 01:12:58,500
And no one reports them missing?
1290
01:12:58,524 --> 01:12:59,782
- Yeah.
1291
01:12:59,859 --> 01:13:02,451
- So we've got
a lot of questions.
1292
01:13:04,196 --> 01:13:07,039
- Do we know anything else
about brian?
1293
01:13:07,050 --> 01:13:10,334
- Well, he does
have kind of a past.
1294
01:13:10,411 --> 01:13:13,721
In 1973,
1295
01:13:13,798 --> 01:13:16,841
He was convicted of murder.
1296
01:13:16,876 --> 01:13:18,393
Sentenced to life in prison.
1297
01:13:18,469 --> 01:13:22,721
- Convicted of murder?
- Convicted of murder.
1298
01:13:22,732 --> 01:13:25,641
23 years before kathy
was murdered,
1299
01:13:25,718 --> 01:13:28,644
Brian was convicted
of a different murder.
1300
01:13:31,724 --> 01:13:35,818
For strangulating
a female motel clerk...
1301
01:13:38,581 --> 01:13:42,825
With a vacuum cleaner
electrical cord,
1302
01:13:42,902 --> 01:13:46,912
Over what he stated
was a robbery of, like, $65.
1303
01:13:49,834 --> 01:13:53,043
He actually gets sentenced
to life in prison
1304
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,337
In 1974,
1305
01:13:55,414 --> 01:13:56,650
And he actually
gets out of prison.
1306
01:13:56,674 --> 01:13:59,725
- And gets paroled when?
- 1981.
1307
01:14:05,758 --> 01:14:09,110
Up where kathy was murdered,
24 years ago,
1308
01:14:09,187 --> 01:14:10,936
There's ropes everywhere.
1309
01:14:10,947 --> 01:14:13,397
There's ropes binding the tarps,
1310
01:14:13,432 --> 01:14:16,692
Possibly could have been
a strangulation of her as well.
1311
01:14:16,769 --> 01:14:19,445
And from our research,
we also found there are
1312
01:14:19,456 --> 01:14:22,457
Some interesting things
about the physical aspects
1313
01:14:22,533 --> 01:14:25,618
Of brian that match
things at the scene.
1314
01:14:25,628 --> 01:14:29,538
Brian's information shows
he's 6-foot, 150 pounds.
1315
01:14:29,615 --> 01:14:32,967
The pants found at the scene
are size 34/34.
1316
01:14:33,044 --> 01:14:35,211
That's consistent.
1317
01:14:35,287 --> 01:14:37,755
The shirt from the bag
1318
01:14:37,790 --> 01:14:41,091
And the one he's wearing
appear to be identical.
1319
01:14:41,168 --> 01:14:42,977
He's got brown hair.
1320
01:14:43,054 --> 01:14:47,640
- Same color of hair that was
found near kathy's body,
1321
01:14:47,650 --> 01:14:50,643
Believed to belong
to the killer.
1322
01:14:50,653 --> 01:14:56,491
But it's what brian doesn't do
that sparks our curiosity.
1323
01:14:56,493 --> 01:14:58,776
- No one reports her missing.
1324
01:14:58,778 --> 01:15:01,737
They don't appear
to have gotten divorced.
1325
01:15:01,739 --> 01:15:05,241
She was never declared
deceased by anyone.
1326
01:15:05,243 --> 01:15:08,744
To me, all of those line up
with someone
1327
01:15:08,746 --> 01:15:12,006
Who doesn't want anyone looking
into kathy's background.
1328
01:15:12,008 --> 01:15:14,008
That's huge red flags.
1329
01:15:14,010 --> 01:15:16,752
- So obviously,
brian's a person of interest.
1330
01:15:16,754 --> 01:15:19,430
Do you know where he's at?
1331
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:23,008
After brian left salem area,
moved to portland...
1332
01:15:23,010 --> 01:15:25,177
And it kind of looks like
he bought a piece of property
1333
01:15:25,179 --> 01:15:26,428
From his parents.
1334
01:15:26,430 --> 01:15:31,901
I found a deed that shows he
purchased a house in 2008
1335
01:15:32,862 --> 01:15:37,856
But there was a woman on
the deed with him named tina.
1336
01:15:37,858 --> 01:15:41,694
Not kathy's eldest daughter,
but the same name.
1337
01:15:41,696 --> 01:15:44,455
And the deed listed them
as husband and wife.
1338
01:15:47,544 --> 01:15:48,826
- How do you get married
1339
01:15:48,828 --> 01:15:51,996
When you maybe
aren't even divorced yet?
1340
01:15:51,998 --> 01:15:54,206
What do we know
about brian today?
1341
01:15:54,208 --> 01:15:58,043
- In 2010, brian and tina moved
to new hampshire together.
1342
01:15:59,964 --> 01:16:03,048
And then he appears to move,
of all places, to oklahoma.
1343
01:16:03,059 --> 01:16:06,051
Through a criminal
records search,
1344
01:16:06,062 --> 01:16:08,971
I was able to find
that booking photo
1345
01:16:09,048 --> 01:16:10,940
From oklahoma in 2016.
1346
01:16:14,145 --> 01:16:17,646
For a driving infraction.
1347
01:16:17,723 --> 01:16:20,524
- Okay, so traffic infraction,
violation.
1348
01:16:20,601 --> 01:16:23,319
- But at this point, I'm not
exactly sure where he's living.
1349
01:16:23,395 --> 01:16:24,996
We're trying to find that.
1350
01:16:27,733 --> 01:16:30,576
Kathy was murdered 24 years ago.
1351
01:16:30,587 --> 01:16:33,912
Right now, our primary focus
is on the last person
1352
01:16:33,923 --> 01:16:36,749
Kathy was married to,
brian clifton.
1353
01:16:48,754 --> 01:16:51,722
24 years after we found
his wife kathy dead
1354
01:16:51,757 --> 01:16:55,225
On a hill in oregon.
1355
01:16:55,302 --> 01:16:57,102
My team wants to approach him,
1356
01:16:57,113 --> 01:16:59,394
But we also don't want
to blow our one shot
1357
01:16:59,431 --> 01:17:01,565
And risk having him flee
1358
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,234
Before we have
confirmed evidence.
1359
01:17:04,311 --> 01:17:06,111
What we need now is brian's dna
1360
01:17:06,122 --> 01:17:08,614
And see if it matches
any of the dna from the scene.
1361
01:17:08,625 --> 01:17:10,677
We've got the semen stain,
we've got hair.
1362
01:17:10,701 --> 01:17:13,118
If his dna matches
what's at the scene,
1363
01:17:13,129 --> 01:17:15,287
He automatically becomes
our prime suspect.
1364
01:17:45,403 --> 01:17:47,486
- Kathy had a hard life.
1365
01:17:47,497 --> 01:17:50,614
Looking for love, kathy
went through a series of men
1366
01:17:50,649 --> 01:17:53,325
That didn't care about her.
1367
01:17:53,336 --> 01:17:55,672
Her last husband didn't even
bother to report her missing
1368
01:17:55,696 --> 01:17:58,080
When she disappeared.
1369
01:17:58,157 --> 01:18:01,676
And just a few months later,
her remains were found.
1370
01:18:04,663 --> 01:18:06,171
- While searching for brian,
1371
01:18:06,182 --> 01:18:08,465
I found his sister brenda
in wisconsin,
1372
01:18:08,500 --> 01:18:10,184
And I reached out to her
1373
01:18:10,261 --> 01:18:11,571
To see if she'd be
willing to help.
1374
01:18:16,934 --> 01:18:19,476
- Hi, is this brenda?
1375
01:18:19,553 --> 01:18:21,793
- Hi, brenda, this is
detective john williams.
1376
01:18:21,847 --> 01:18:24,148
I'm calling from the polk
county sheriff's office
1377
01:18:24,224 --> 01:18:25,366
In oregon.
1378
01:18:25,443 --> 01:18:27,484
Is a good time for you?
1379
01:18:27,561 --> 01:18:30,154
- Okay, so I have
a case where I have
1380
01:18:30,230 --> 01:18:32,656
A missing person, who's kathy,
1381
01:18:32,733 --> 01:18:35,292
Was married to brian
at one point.
1382
01:18:37,696 --> 01:18:40,381
- Do you recall
whatever happened
1383
01:18:40,458 --> 01:18:43,634
To brian and kathy's marriage,
how it ended or any of that?
1384
01:18:50,542 --> 01:18:52,768
- Why do you doubt
that they got divorced?
1385
01:18:54,713 --> 01:18:57,815
- So he would've illegally
married another woman?
1386
01:18:59,885 --> 01:19:01,159
- Okay.
1387
01:19:01,161 --> 01:19:03,779
So you don't talk to brian.
You don't know where he's at?
1388
01:19:09,987 --> 01:19:11,904
- Yeah.
1389
01:19:11,914 --> 01:19:13,322
- I got you.
1390
01:19:13,398 --> 01:19:15,699
Well, and that's
what I'm showing too.
1391
01:19:18,737 --> 01:19:20,921
- Let me give you some details.
1392
01:19:20,998 --> 01:19:23,707
So in 1996,
1393
01:19:23,742 --> 01:19:27,678
Hunters found skeletonized
remains of a female.
1394
01:19:36,421 --> 01:19:39,723
- We do have the dna
found at the scene
1395
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:41,995
On some men's clothing
that was left behind.
1396
01:19:42,019 --> 01:19:44,186
I would think has to be related
1397
01:19:44,263 --> 01:19:47,606
To whoever put the body there.
1398
01:19:47,617 --> 01:19:51,276
- So we have a couple
of things we might try,
1399
01:19:51,287 --> 01:19:56,865
And one is if we can get dna
from a relative
1400
01:19:56,942 --> 01:20:00,544
To get the best, you know, say,
oh, yeah, that's a sister...
1401
01:20:02,614 --> 01:20:04,759
- Would you be willing
if we sent you a dna kit
1402
01:20:04,783 --> 01:20:08,418
To just swab your cheek
and mail it back?
1403
01:20:08,453 --> 01:20:10,754
- Oh, that's awesome.
1404
01:20:10,831 --> 01:20:13,641
- Okay.
1405
01:20:13,717 --> 01:20:15,770
To see what it matches
at the scene,
1406
01:20:15,794 --> 01:20:17,761
That's gonna be super critical.
1407
01:20:17,796 --> 01:20:20,264
This would be an amazing boost
to this case.
1408
01:20:40,652 --> 01:20:44,004
- Now that we know brian's
sister is a sibling match
1409
01:20:44,081 --> 01:20:46,498
To the dna found
at the crime scene,
1410
01:20:46,509 --> 01:20:48,303
I could finally tell her family
1411
01:20:48,327 --> 01:20:51,503
And give them some closure.
1412
01:20:51,514 --> 01:20:56,800
I'm going to see kathy's
daughters, tina and candice,
1413
01:20:56,835 --> 01:20:58,802
And kathy's sister, linda.
1414
01:20:58,837 --> 01:21:01,021
Never met each other
before all of this,
1415
01:21:01,098 --> 01:21:04,808
So I think it's great that they
all get to know each other,
1416
01:21:04,843 --> 01:21:07,269
And that they do
have family left.
1417
01:21:07,346 --> 01:21:09,864
Something they've always
wanted, and they have it.
1418
01:21:22,786 --> 01:21:25,829
Well, how are my most
three favorite women doing?
1419
01:21:25,864 --> 01:21:27,039
- Hello!
- Hello!
1420
01:21:27,049 --> 01:21:29,833
- Look at you, pretty woman.
1421
01:21:29,868 --> 01:21:32,013
- How are things going getting
to know each other?
1422
01:21:32,037 --> 01:21:33,681
- With us, it's good.
- Oh, it's just...
1423
01:21:33,705 --> 01:21:36,390
- Is there something that's not?
1424
01:21:36,467 --> 01:21:37,852
- It is what
it's supposed to be.
1425
01:21:37,876 --> 01:21:38,909
- I know.
1426
01:21:38,986 --> 01:21:41,386
- Well, I just wanted you
to know there were three
1427
01:21:41,397 --> 01:21:45,682
Really important things for me
to do in this case if I could.
1428
01:21:45,717 --> 01:21:48,402
One of them was to identify her.
1429
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:49,599
Give her her name back.
1430
01:21:49,647 --> 01:21:53,315
Which would then
open up roads, second,
1431
01:21:53,392 --> 01:21:56,410
To hopefully help
the investigation.
1432
01:21:56,487 --> 01:21:58,579
You know, once you know
about her life,
1433
01:21:58,656 --> 01:22:00,467
Once we found out
about all of you guys,
1434
01:22:00,491 --> 01:22:03,367
I mean, that all came about
because of her identity.
1435
01:22:03,402 --> 01:22:07,704
So many roads have been open,
learned a lot.
1436
01:22:07,739 --> 01:22:10,540
And then the third
most important thing to me,
1437
01:22:10,617 --> 01:22:12,593
So hold on one second.
1438
01:22:12,670 --> 01:22:13,888
- Is she going to do
something sneaky?
1439
01:22:13,912 --> 01:22:14,878
- I don't know.
1440
01:22:20,752 --> 01:22:22,761
- Oh, my... oh!
1441
01:22:22,772 --> 01:22:24,680
- Third most important thing.
1442
01:22:24,756 --> 01:22:26,440
- Oh, my god!
1443
01:22:26,517 --> 01:22:29,610
- Is to bring her home,
where she belongs.
1444
01:22:32,189 --> 01:22:35,366
From the bottom
of all of our hearts.
1445
01:22:37,436 --> 01:22:39,403
- It's okay, baby girl.
1446
01:22:50,633 --> 01:22:54,584
- We really got close.
These are my girls.
1447
01:22:54,661 --> 01:22:57,379
- You're family.
- That's so beautiful.
1448
01:22:57,456 --> 01:22:59,142
- It is.
- Thank you.
1449
01:22:59,166 --> 01:23:00,808
- I love it.
1450
01:23:00,884 --> 01:23:03,927
It was right then that my heart
went up in my throat,
1451
01:23:04,004 --> 01:23:08,649
And it was like
I couldn't say nothing.
1452
01:23:08,726 --> 01:23:11,768
Because I knew what it was.
1453
01:23:11,803 --> 01:23:14,771
Knowing that she is home,
where she belongs,
1454
01:23:14,806 --> 01:23:16,573
It was beautiful.
1455
01:23:18,977 --> 01:23:21,486
This is your mama.
1456
01:23:21,497 --> 01:23:25,165
It is so beautiful.
I mean, look at that.
1457
01:23:25,242 --> 01:23:29,670
- I think everything just
really hit home even harder.
1458
01:23:29,747 --> 01:23:30,954
The fact that I, you know,
1459
01:23:31,031 --> 01:23:34,791
Knowing for 23 years
1460
01:23:34,868 --> 01:23:37,461
That she couldn't...
She couldn't reach out,
1461
01:23:37,537 --> 01:23:38,846
She couldn't check on us,
1462
01:23:38,922 --> 01:23:41,042
You know, that
something had happened...
1463
01:23:46,004 --> 01:23:49,139
It actually made me
start to heal a little bit.
1464
01:23:49,174 --> 01:23:51,933
- She needs to come home, okay?
- Yeah, yeah.
1465
01:23:52,010 --> 01:23:55,520
- To be able to actually
put her fully at rest,
1466
01:23:55,531 --> 01:23:57,814
We've talked about that so much.
1467
01:23:57,891 --> 01:24:03,537
And what yolanda has done
is so heartfelt that we can...
1468
01:24:03,614 --> 01:24:04,999
I don't know that
we'll ever be able
1469
01:24:05,023 --> 01:24:06,874
To really thank her enough.
1470
01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:08,044
- There's a lot of great,
1471
01:24:08,068 --> 01:24:09,868
Great things
that came out of this.
1472
01:24:09,879 --> 01:24:11,765
- We're thankful for that,
and what you've done,
1473
01:24:11,789 --> 01:24:14,998
'cause you brought this
wonderful woman into our life.
1474
01:24:15,033 --> 01:24:16,770
Thank you, yolanda.
Thank you so much.
1475
01:24:16,794 --> 01:24:19,211
- Wasn't for you guys,
I wouldn't have my baby girls.
1476
01:24:19,221 --> 01:24:21,555
- Well, you're family.
1477
01:24:21,632 --> 01:24:26,510
- I'm just grateful to
detective williams, yolanda,
1478
01:24:26,586 --> 01:24:29,971
'cause I know my two nieces
in my life right now.
1479
01:24:30,048 --> 01:24:32,182
And we talk every day.
1480
01:24:32,217 --> 01:24:34,735
We have got so close,
1481
01:24:34,812 --> 01:24:38,947
And I'll give them the love
that they need from my sister.
1482
01:24:41,101 --> 01:24:43,902
Think her girls
are my girls now.
1483
01:24:43,913 --> 01:24:45,487
They're still her babies,
1484
01:24:45,564 --> 01:24:50,125
But I'm giving them
and they're giving me back.
1485
01:24:53,330 --> 01:24:56,706
- My mother's case, it's
not just another jane doe.
1486
01:24:56,741 --> 01:24:59,709
She's a person with a story.
1487
01:24:59,786 --> 01:25:03,046
She had family
that cared about her.
1488
01:25:03,081 --> 01:25:06,600
I would have liked for her
to have... see me now.
1489
01:25:11,607 --> 01:25:13,982
I think she would've been proud.
1490
01:25:27,647 --> 01:25:30,958
- A year has passed since
I started this investigation.
1491
01:25:31,034 --> 01:25:35,620
My mission was always
to identify our jane doe,
1492
01:25:35,631 --> 01:25:38,915
To give her back to her family,
and give her back her name.
1493
01:25:38,950 --> 01:25:41,793
And I've done that
with kathy's case.
1494
01:25:41,804 --> 01:25:43,971
- It's been a lot of hard work.
- Yeah.
1495
01:25:44,047 --> 01:25:47,808
- A lot of phone calls,
a lot of going down dead ends.
1496
01:25:47,885 --> 01:25:49,812
The adoptions threw us
for a loop...
1497
01:25:49,836 --> 01:25:50,978
- Yes.
1498
01:25:51,054 --> 01:25:53,096
- But we persevered,
we kept going.
1499
01:25:53,131 --> 01:25:56,975
I was totally clueless
to how, you know,
1500
01:25:56,986 --> 01:25:59,113
Third cousins and genealogy
and all that work,
1501
01:25:59,137 --> 01:26:02,772
But I knew we had yolanda's
team behind us.
1502
01:26:02,849 --> 01:26:04,785
It was a slow process
for a while
1503
01:26:04,809 --> 01:26:06,287
And then it started
building steam
1504
01:26:06,311 --> 01:26:08,570
Until kind of everything
came together
1505
01:26:08,647 --> 01:26:11,814
And we finally identified kathy.
1506
01:26:14,861 --> 01:26:17,287
- Kathy got her name back.
1507
01:26:17,364 --> 01:26:19,581
Her identity back.
1508
01:26:19,658 --> 01:26:21,333
Nobody should die without it.
1509
01:26:21,343 --> 01:26:23,677
Her family thought
she walked away,
1510
01:26:23,754 --> 01:26:25,306
Maybe didn't want anything
to do with them,
1511
01:26:25,330 --> 01:26:26,963
I don't believe that.
1512
01:26:26,998 --> 01:26:30,091
But unfortunately, she didn't
have any more choices
1513
01:26:30,168 --> 01:26:32,761
After that of what she would've
wanted to do with her life.
1514
01:26:32,837 --> 01:26:37,307
She's been so wronged
in so many ways.
1515
01:26:37,384 --> 01:26:40,944
I just hope now that her
family can start to heal.
1516
01:26:42,698 --> 01:26:45,148
You and I said
we would figure it out.
1517
01:26:45,225 --> 01:26:47,317
We said we'd take her home.
1518
01:26:47,394 --> 01:26:49,361
And that we would pursue
any roads
1519
01:26:49,371 --> 01:26:51,872
That opened up
to find out who killed her.
1520
01:26:51,949 --> 01:26:53,657
- And that continues.
1521
01:26:53,733 --> 01:26:56,095
- Obviously the truth is
ultimately what we're after.
1522
01:26:56,119 --> 01:26:58,587
- Right.
1523
01:27:01,458 --> 01:27:05,052
- The case is now in
the investigators' hands.
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