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- At this time I have the
honor to present to you,
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the moral leader of our nation.
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- From 1955 to 1968, Martin
Luther King led a peaceful
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20th century
American revolution.
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In the short span of 13 years,
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the nonviolent civil rights
movement, which he headed,
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changed the face of
American society.
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- You know, when you
construct a man as a great man,
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there's nothing
almost more satisfying
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than also seeing him
represented as the opposite.
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- When the
National Archives
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puts government documents
up on the web, in public,
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one has to confront them.
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One cannot pretend
they don't exist.
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- I think one of the
difficulties for historians
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in dealing with really,
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the fruits of all of this
surveillance of King,
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is whether or not we
then become complicit
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in what the FBI was doing.
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- But you know
this about humans.
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What we're best at is
convincing ourselves
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of our own righteousness.
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I think this entire episode
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represents the darkest part
of the Bureau's history.
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- Tapes
from the hotel rooms,
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the FBI reports of
what was going on,
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those are pieces of information
that we shouldn't have.
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Whatever comes out
will certainly help us
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understand him as a person,
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and that's kind of our
duty, is to understand.
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- Hello.
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In the traditional
motion picture story,
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the villains are
usually defeated,
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and the ending is a happy one.
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I can make no such promise
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for the picture
you're about to watch.
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The story isn't over.
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- They came from
Los Angeles and San Francisco,
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or about the distance
from Moscow to Bombay.
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They came from
Cleveland, from Chicago,
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or about the distance
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from Buenos Aires
to Rio de Janeiro.
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They came from
Jackson, Mississippi,
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from Birmingham, Alabama,
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or about the distance from
Johannesburg to Dar es Salaam.
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He had been insulted,
beaten, jailed,
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drenched with water,
chased by dogs,
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but he was coming to
Washington, he said,
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to swallow up hatred in love,
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to overcome violence
by peaceful protest.
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- We are not gonna fight
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out White brethren with malice,
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nor are we gonna fight them
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with any falsified stories,
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nor are we gonna fight
them with hatred,
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but we are gonna
fight them with love.
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When they hate us, we're gonna
absorb their hatred in love.
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When they speak against us,
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we're gonna speak things
of love toward them.
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We're not gonna let their
hatred turn us around,
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but we're gonna love
them on every side.
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- We had been through
the battles in Birmingham.
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We thought that
was the movement.
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And it was,
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but after it was over,
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we realized that
what had happened was
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that the March on Washington
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took a Black Southern movement
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and turned it into a national,
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and international
movement for human rights.
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- One day right
there in Alabama,
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little Black boys
and Black girls
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will be able to join hands
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with little White
boys and White girls
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as sisters and brothers.
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I have a dream today.
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- The FBI was
most alarmed about King
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because of his success.
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And they were
particularly concerned
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that he was this powerful,
charismatic figure
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who had the ability
to mobilize people.
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- And if America is
to be a great nation,
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this must become true.
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So let freedom ring.
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- When you look
at the social movements
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from the point of
view of the FBI,
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it looks very different.
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You know, J. Edgar Hoover
is famous for saying
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that he feared the rise
of a Black Messiah.
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- Free at last, free at last.
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Thank God Almighty.
We are free at last.
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- After Dr. King gave
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his famous March on
Washington speech,
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Wednesday, August 28th, 1963,
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in a memo dated the 30th of
August, no later than that,
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the second person in
the FBI, Bill Sullivan,
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sends a urgent memo
in which he says,
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"After the March on Washington,
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"it's clear that
Martin Luther King Jr.,
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"is the most dangerous
Negro in America.
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"And we have to use every
resource at our disposal
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"to destroy him."
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- 1956, 20,000 Blacks
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walk the streets of
Montgomery, Alabama
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to protest segregation
on city buses.
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The Montgomery bus boycott
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focuses national
attention on its leader,
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a 27 year old Baptist minister,
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Martin Luther King, Jr..
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- Is this just a test that
we're getting ready to go.
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- That's what we've done.
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Next time we go, it
will be for real.
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- I'm sure that I
voice the sentiment
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of more than 40,000 Negro
citizens of Montgomery.
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We still have the
attitude of love,
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we still have the method
of passive resistance,
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and we are still
insisting, emphatically,
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that violence is self-defeating.
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That he will lives by the
sword, will perish by the sword.
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- He let
us accept the fact,
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and made us accept the fact,
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that what we were
doing was insane.
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He'd say you've got to
be certifiably insane
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to think that a bunch of
crazy folk like you all,
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with no money and no
guns, no political power,
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are gonna change this nation.
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We were trusting
in the power of God
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and only a kind of
crazy people of faith
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would be willing to put
their lives on the line
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and trust in God.
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In an era of science
and technology,
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ambiguous spiritual
phenomena like moral power,
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you know, it didn't make sense.
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- This morning, the
long-awaited mandate
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from the United States Supreme
Court came to Montgomery.
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Segregation in
public transportation
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is both legally and
sociologically invalid.
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In the light of this mandate,
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the Negro citizens of Montgomery
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are urged to return to
the buses tomorrow morning
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on a non-segregated basis.
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- As the boycott wins
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in the United
States Supreme Court
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come the end of 1956,
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civil rights activists
take a strong interest
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in this unprecedented
community action
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in the capital of
the old Confederacy.
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Now, one of the most important
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of those long time
civil rights activists
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who took a real
interest in Montgomery
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was Byard Rustin.
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And it's through Rustin that
Stanley Levison meets Dr. King.
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- Stanley
David Levison was
White, he was Jewish,
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he was a lawyer who was a
certified public accountant,
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and unsung hero in the
civil rights movement
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as related to Martin
Luther King, Jr..
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And Dr. King adored him.
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- From 1955 forward,
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the FBI takes some
degree of interest
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in local Black protest
movements in the South,
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in Montgomery, in Birmingham,
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in Nashville, Tennessee.
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But it's standard FBI vacuum
cleaner information gathering.
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They're not particularly
focused on
Martin Luther King Jr.
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in those mid and
late 1950 years.
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Even though Stanley
Levison and King
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have a very close personal
relationship from 1957 forward,
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only at the very
beginning of 1962,
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four or five years later,
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does the FBI tardily
realize that Levison
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has become a very
important advisor to King.
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- I always tell people
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I was strolling down the
student union one day
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and the Bureau had a table
there and they were recruiting,
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so I filled out the application
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and lo and behold, a week
later, I get a phone call.
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They told me that
they will accept me
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if I pass the physical.
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On my gosh, 21st birthday,
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I was driving my car
to Washington D. C.,
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took an oath of office
and almost quit that day
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because it was
just very surreal.
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And they were talking about
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when the bomb goes off, where
to go and stuff like that,
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and I'm thinking, "This
is like out of a movie."
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- The new FBI will not be the
product of one individual.
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No one man can build it, but
one man can pull it down.
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- There were two
big themes that came across
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in the popular culture that
was produced about the FBI.
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One of those was crime,
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and the other was the
struggle against communism.
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- Mm hmm.
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- Sometime in 1962,
Levison got a subpoena
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from the House Un-American
Activities Committee.
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And he was really, I
don't wanna say petrified,
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but he was very concerned.
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- Are you now, or
have you ever been
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a member of the Communist Party?
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- I stand on my
constitutional rights
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under the Fifth Amendment.
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- There was an old saying
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that once you're a member
of the communist Party,
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you're always a member
of the Communist Party.
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That's what everybody believed.
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- And it's
pretty clear, in fact,
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that Stanley Levison
was deeply involved
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in communist politics
in the 1950s.
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- He had
dropped off the radar,
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but even after he went totally
off the grid, if you will,
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when the relationship
with Dr. King started,
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they would still get reports
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from people inside
the Communist Party
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of what Levison was doing.
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The concern with Dr. King
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and his connections
with Stanley Levison
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was that he was being influenced
by the Communist Party.
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- The growing
menace of communism
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arouses the the House
of Representatives
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Un-American
Activities Committee.
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Among the well-informed
witnesses testifying
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is J. Edgar Hoover,
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head of the Federal
Bureau of Investigations.
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Mr. Hoover speaks with
authority on the subject.
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- The Communist Party
of the United States
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is a fifth column if
there ever was one.
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It is far better organized
than were the Nazis
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in occupied countries prior
to their capitulation.
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They are seeking
to weaken America.
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Their goal is the overflow
of our government.
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- To some
people, J. Edgar Hoover
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was a great American,
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a hero who stood up against
crime and communism.
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To others, he was a
figure of profound evil
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who terrified those
he disapproved of
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with police powers
at his command.
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To everybody, he
symbolized the FBI.
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- The Federal Bureau
of Investigations
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is as close to you as
your nearest telephone.
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It seeks to be your protector
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in all matters with
its jurisdiction.
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It belongs to you.
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- J. Edgar Hoover
was the head of the FBI
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for 48 years, from 1924 to 1972.
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And it's a really
astounding span of time.
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He went from a period
in which Washington
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was kind of a nothing backwater
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to a moment when it was really
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the pinnacle of American power,
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and he helped build
a lot of that.
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- The communists
have been, still are,
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and always will be
a menace to freedom,
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to democratic ideal,
to the worship of God
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and to America's way of life.
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- From the moment that
he entered government,
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it was his job to figure out
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who was dangerous to
the country, who was
too revolutionary,
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who belonged to a
subversive organization.
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Hoover understood himself really
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as the guardian of the
American way of life.
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But he had a very particular
vision of what that meant.
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He understood it
really as a society
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of certain kinds of racial
and gender hierarchies,
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a society in which White
men were the natural actors,
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the natural rulers.
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- I want to talk to you,
fighting men and women,
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about the battle of
the United States.
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- I think for Hoover,
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particularly in his early years,
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communists were in some sense,
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the ultimate subversives.
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He saw them as disruptive
of a kind of law and order,
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of a certain kind
of social order.
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He saw them as disruptive
on questions of race.
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- The Workers
Communist Party of America
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puts forward correctly
as it's central slogan,
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abolition of the whole system
of race discrimination,
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full racial, social
and political equality
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for the Negro people.
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- Black
America was always
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a particular focus of the FBI,
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because there was the
presumption that Black people
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are somehow more
susceptible to recruitment
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for a dangerous ideology.
284
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- We are all familiar
with the fact
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that the communists have been
agitating racial problems,
286
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racial disunity in our nation
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for the last several years.
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That's the reason
that you've seen
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racial agitators like Martin
Luther King rise on the scene
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and get all kinds of
national publicity.
291
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This was intended.
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They would like nothing
more than to see a civil war
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in the 1960s in
the United States.
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- The FBI quite
understandably asks itself,
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How come has
someone who was once
296
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so important in
American communism
297
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now turned up at the right hand
298
00:20:52,768 --> 00:20:54,114
of Martin Luther King Jr.?
299
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Within a few weeks,
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the FBI goes to Attorney
General Robert F. Kennedy
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for Kennedy's approval
302
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to begin wiretapping Levison
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at his home and
office in New York.
304
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- Among the most familiar words
305
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of the founders of the Republic,
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are those affirming that
all men are created equal,
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and that they are endowed
with certain rights
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of which they can
not be deprived.
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It is a sad shortcoming
of our history,
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that while asserting these
high principles of equality,
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we have never completely
lived up to them,
312
00:21:35,155 --> 00:21:37,951
nor have these injustices
and discriminations
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00:21:37,986 --> 00:21:40,160
been peculiar to any
one part of our country.
314
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- How bad is the
complaint today?
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After all, the United
States has changed a lot,
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the Negro's rights are
protected under the law.
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What exactly, how much
has this system changed
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00:21:53,484 --> 00:21:54,658
between then and now?
319
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- Well, it has
changed a good deal.
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It is far from what
it ought to be,
321
00:22:01,354 --> 00:22:05,462
but I can see many, many changes
322
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that have taken place
over the last few years.
323
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And the problem now is to
move from token integration
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to overall integration,
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where it involves more than just
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a few students in a school.
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More than just a few
lunch counters open,
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more than gaining
justice in the courts
329
00:22:26,862 --> 00:22:31,591
in a few situations,
but in every situation.
330
00:22:31,626 --> 00:22:33,110
- The next target
of the civil rights movement
331
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was Birmingham, Alabama.
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In 1963, the most segregated
city in the nation,
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and for Blacks, a place to die
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if you tried to be a person.
335
00:22:45,329 --> 00:22:47,676
- Staying
calm under fire
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is necessary for your survival.
337
00:22:52,163 --> 00:22:54,062
It's also necessary
for your success,
338
00:22:56,236 --> 00:22:59,205
but it's very hard
not to get emotional
339
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when people are
trying to kill you.
340
00:23:03,243 --> 00:23:06,039
- There is no middle
ground in this fight,
341
00:23:06,074 --> 00:23:09,388
there's no middle
ground in this struggle.
342
00:23:09,422 --> 00:23:12,287
You're either for us,
or you're against us.
343
00:23:12,321 --> 00:23:15,152
You've heard that said
time and time again.
344
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Yes my friends, you
are either for us,
345
00:23:20,260 --> 00:23:22,228
or you are against us.
346
00:23:24,092 --> 00:23:26,646
- We will trying
to reveal the truth
347
00:23:26,681 --> 00:23:28,579
about segregation in the South.
348
00:23:29,994 --> 00:23:32,894
- I will not rest
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until we are able to make this
kind of witness in this city,
350
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so that the power structure
downtown will have to say,
351
00:23:41,454 --> 00:23:43,456
we can't stop this movement,
352
00:23:43,491 --> 00:23:45,424
and the only way to deal it
353
00:23:45,458 --> 00:23:48,565
is to give these
people what we owe them
354
00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:50,152
and what their God-given rights
355
00:23:50,187 --> 00:23:52,983
and their constitutional
rights demand.
356
00:23:56,676 --> 00:23:59,990
- In a very emotional
and volatile environment,
357
00:24:00,024 --> 00:24:03,096
it was important
for us to come off
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00:24:03,131 --> 00:24:07,307
as reasonable,
sane and patriotic.
359
00:24:08,136 --> 00:24:09,137
'Cause we were.
360
00:24:12,692 --> 00:24:14,936
We just wanted America
to be what America
361
00:24:14,970 --> 00:24:16,178
said it was supposed to be.
362
00:24:18,974 --> 00:24:23,151
- And they go talking about
these little levels of progress
363
00:24:25,049 --> 00:24:27,120
that we see here and
there and they say,
364
00:24:27,155 --> 00:24:30,952
you know, you've
made great progress.
365
00:24:30,986 --> 00:24:32,436
Aren't you satisfied?
366
00:24:34,887 --> 00:24:36,198
No, we are not satisfied.
367
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,690
- Well, of course, I feel
that the communist movement
368
00:24:44,724 --> 00:24:48,314
is behind all of the racial
demonstrations in this country,
369
00:24:48,348 --> 00:24:50,972
and I have only, I
have a statement here
370
00:24:51,006 --> 00:24:53,802
that J. Edgar
Hoover made in 1958.
371
00:24:53,837 --> 00:24:56,529
"The Negro situation
is also being exploited
372
00:24:56,564 --> 00:24:59,981
"fully and continuously by
communists on a national scale.
373
00:25:00,015 --> 00:25:03,156
"So as to create unrest,
dissension and confusion
374
00:25:03,191 --> 00:25:05,193
"in the minds of the
American people."
375
00:25:06,539 --> 00:25:08,161
- Both Bobby Kennedy
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00:25:08,196 --> 00:25:10,163
and his brother, the president,
377
00:25:10,198 --> 00:25:13,995
were on record as
supporters of Dr. King.
378
00:25:14,029 --> 00:25:16,653
As supporters of the
civil rights movement.
379
00:25:16,687 --> 00:25:20,415
But when the FBI
begins insisting,
380
00:25:20,449 --> 00:25:23,832
that King is
susceptible to influence
381
00:25:23,867 --> 00:25:28,181
from this dangerous
Soviet-connected figure,
382
00:25:28,216 --> 00:25:32,116
Robert Kennedy, and in time
his brother, the president too,
383
00:25:32,151 --> 00:25:35,292
tell him that he needs
to distance himself,
384
00:25:35,326 --> 00:25:38,502
and really sever his
connection with Levison.
385
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,955
- The leaders of the
march are now coming
386
00:25:42,989 --> 00:25:47,028
down the northwest driveway
of the white House.
387
00:25:47,062 --> 00:25:49,686
They'll shortly be going
in to see the president.
388
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,516
- It was
June 22nd, 1963.
389
00:25:54,138 --> 00:25:55,381
President Kennedy is meeting
390
00:25:55,415 --> 00:25:57,866
with several civil
rights leaders.
391
00:25:57,901 --> 00:26:00,041
- They are being led by
Walter Reuther of the UAW,
392
00:26:00,075 --> 00:26:02,491
Martin Luther
King, James Farmer,
393
00:26:02,526 --> 00:26:03,803
Whitney Young of
the Urban League.
394
00:26:03,838 --> 00:26:04,873
- President Kennedy,
395
00:26:04,908 --> 00:26:06,875
he asked Dr. King to stay behind
396
00:26:06,910 --> 00:26:09,257
and he and Dr. King went for
a walk in the Rose Garden.
397
00:26:11,259 --> 00:26:12,640
And Kennedy said,
398
00:26:12,674 --> 00:26:17,127
My brother, the Attorney
General and J. Edgar Hoover,
399
00:26:17,161 --> 00:26:19,750
we have some, we've
got some bad news.
400
00:26:21,752 --> 00:26:26,205
Some people you're very close
to are openly communist.
401
00:26:28,448 --> 00:26:30,416
Kennedy said, you know,
we're in this thing
402
00:26:30,450 --> 00:26:32,418
together pretty
closely, you know?
403
00:26:32,452 --> 00:26:33,661
Anything happens to you
404
00:26:33,695 --> 00:26:35,835
is gonna reflect
very badly on myself
405
00:26:35,870 --> 00:26:37,803
and Bobby as Attorney General.
406
00:26:37,837 --> 00:26:39,183
You gotta distance yourself.
407
00:26:39,218 --> 00:26:40,944
You can't have anything
to do with these people.
408
00:26:45,396 --> 00:26:47,744
- Even hearing it from
President Kennedy,
409
00:26:47,778 --> 00:26:50,539
King is unwilling to believe
410
00:26:50,574 --> 00:26:54,440
that these FBI
allegations about Levison
411
00:26:54,474 --> 00:26:57,616
have any real truth to them.
412
00:26:57,650 --> 00:26:59,928
- Dr. King, it's been alleged
that you have been slow
413
00:26:59,963 --> 00:27:02,344
to sever your ties
with alleged communists
414
00:27:02,379 --> 00:27:03,691
in the civil rights movement,
415
00:27:03,725 --> 00:27:05,278
even after government officials
416
00:27:05,313 --> 00:27:06,625
have warned you against them.
417
00:27:06,659 --> 00:27:09,110
- The only person
that they identified
418
00:27:09,144 --> 00:27:10,767
that had any connection
419
00:27:10,801 --> 00:27:12,354
with the Southern Christian
Leadership Conference
420
00:27:12,389 --> 00:27:14,011
was removed.
421
00:27:14,046 --> 00:27:17,187
- Dr. King was
advised again and again,
422
00:27:17,221 --> 00:27:23,711
to avoid getting into any public
spat with J. Edgar Hoover.
423
00:27:23,745 --> 00:27:25,954
- Well, this places you in
the direct opposite position
424
00:27:25,989 --> 00:27:27,956
of the Director of the federal
Bureau of Investigations,
425
00:27:27,991 --> 00:27:30,407
J. Edgar Hoover, who gave
some testimony recently
426
00:27:30,441 --> 00:27:31,684
to the contrary.
427
00:27:31,719 --> 00:27:34,791
- I would hope that
the FBI would come out
428
00:27:34,825 --> 00:27:38,311
and say something that I think
is much more significant.
429
00:27:38,346 --> 00:27:40,417
And that is that it is amazing
430
00:27:40,451 --> 00:27:43,662
that so few Negroes
have turned to communism
431
00:27:43,696 --> 00:27:45,077
in the light of their
desperate plight.
432
00:27:45,111 --> 00:27:47,320
I think it is one of
the amazing developments
433
00:27:47,355 --> 00:27:48,667
of the 20th century,
434
00:27:48,701 --> 00:27:51,497
how loyal the Negro has
remained to America,
435
00:27:51,531 --> 00:27:54,949
in spite of his long night of
oppression and discrimination.
436
00:27:58,435 --> 00:28:02,335
- When the FBI
begins wiretapping Levison,
437
00:28:02,370 --> 00:28:05,684
what they're hoping
to find is evidence
438
00:28:05,718 --> 00:28:09,860
that he is still in some
manner, a communist agent.
439
00:28:11,034 --> 00:28:14,693
The FBI's theory was disproven.
440
00:28:14,727 --> 00:28:17,937
- All right, I'll
tell him. Thank you.
441
00:28:17,972 --> 00:28:24,081
- But at the same time,
King was less than honest
442
00:28:24,116 --> 00:28:26,635
with both Robert Kennedy
and John Kennedy,
443
00:28:26,670 --> 00:28:29,362
in telling them that
he would break off
444
00:28:29,397 --> 00:28:31,710
contact with Levison.
445
00:28:31,744 --> 00:28:32,849
- The FBI realizes
446
00:28:32,883 --> 00:28:34,264
that the relationship continues,
447
00:28:34,298 --> 00:28:35,714
'cause they're wiretapping.
448
00:28:35,748 --> 00:28:38,717
They can see this
all playing out.
449
00:28:38,751 --> 00:28:41,720
This of course enraged the FBI.
450
00:28:41,754 --> 00:28:43,376
Hoover was very
upset about this,
451
00:28:43,411 --> 00:28:45,724
because he saw it as evidence
452
00:28:45,758 --> 00:28:48,140
that just as he had
suspected all along,
453
00:28:48,174 --> 00:28:50,659
King was lying,
he was deceiving,
454
00:28:50,694 --> 00:28:52,558
that there was in fact a plot,
455
00:28:52,592 --> 00:28:55,388
that these ties were very close.
456
00:28:55,423 --> 00:28:57,390
It really only
reinforced his sense
457
00:28:57,425 --> 00:28:59,427
that there was something
bigger going on.
458
00:29:01,498 --> 00:29:07,676
- By mid 1963, the
FBI was fully aware
459
00:29:07,711 --> 00:29:10,507
that King was remaining
in touch with Levison,
460
00:29:10,541 --> 00:29:12,923
through their mutual
friend, Clarence Jones.
461
00:29:17,928 --> 00:29:19,896
- The FBI in Peace and War.
462
00:29:19,930 --> 00:29:22,761
Tonight's story, the fixer.
463
00:29:24,383 --> 00:29:29,284
- One day, I
come home and my wife says,
464
00:29:31,459 --> 00:29:34,082
"I didn't know you had arranged
465
00:29:34,117 --> 00:29:35,739
"for the telephone
company to come
466
00:29:37,051 --> 00:29:40,123
"and put in new wiring
for our phones."
467
00:29:41,469 --> 00:29:43,678
I said, "What are
you talking about?"
468
00:29:43,712 --> 00:29:45,542
She said, "I don't
know, they just put in
469
00:29:45,576 --> 00:29:48,648
"a whole new thing into
one of our closets."
470
00:29:50,374 --> 00:29:53,515
I thought about it maybe
several hours later and I said,
471
00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:57,554
I said "Ann, did they call you?"
472
00:29:57,588 --> 00:29:59,211
"Yeah, they called me up.
473
00:29:59,245 --> 00:30:00,799
"They said they
had talked to you."
474
00:30:03,836 --> 00:30:09,635
And shortly after that,
I began to think that,
475
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:12,500
okay, my phone was tapped.
476
00:30:16,780 --> 00:30:23,235
- Just a few weeks later
in early August of 1963,
477
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:26,825
Dr. King goes to stay at
Jones' home for a few days.
478
00:30:28,412 --> 00:30:33,141
Hearing Dr. King on
the Jones' home wiretap
479
00:30:33,176 --> 00:30:39,251
is the accidental way by
which the FBI first learns
480
00:30:39,285 --> 00:30:42,564
that King has this
non-monogamous private life.
481
00:30:45,015 --> 00:30:49,709
And with those intercepts of
King at Clarence Jones' home,
482
00:30:50,779 --> 00:30:52,954
the Bureau's motivation shift.
483
00:30:55,198 --> 00:30:56,164
- Yes.
484
00:30:56,199 --> 00:30:57,510
- O'Hara?
- Yes?
485
00:30:57,545 --> 00:31:00,099
- Gaines. Maybe I got something.
486
00:31:00,134 --> 00:31:00,928
- I'll be right over.
487
00:31:00,962 --> 00:31:02,619
- Right.
488
00:31:02,653 --> 00:31:04,276
- It's crystal
clear that what the Bureau,
489
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:07,693
by the end of 1963 wants,
490
00:31:07,727 --> 00:31:11,524
is to get recordings of
King having sexual relations
491
00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:12,871
with various girlfriends.
492
00:31:19,222 --> 00:31:21,810
- Here's the rare
opportunity we promised.
493
00:31:21,845 --> 00:31:23,536
Here's one of the great
voices in America,
494
00:31:23,571 --> 00:31:24,779
Dr. Martin Luther King.
495
00:31:38,966 --> 00:31:39,898
- It's rare, Doctor,
that we get a chance
496
00:31:39,932 --> 00:31:41,727
to see you in New York.
497
00:31:41,761 --> 00:31:42,935
Are we cover,
498
00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:43,867
oh yes, with the
microphone over there.
499
00:31:44,937 --> 00:31:46,559
Do you visit here often?
500
00:31:46,594 --> 00:31:51,116
- Oh, I'm in New York almost
every other week at least.
501
00:31:51,150 --> 00:31:53,739
There's always something
happening in New York,
502
00:31:53,773 --> 00:31:56,224
so you can't avoid
coming to New York.
503
00:31:56,259 --> 00:31:58,571
- You've discovered
it's a fun city?
504
00:31:58,606 --> 00:31:59,987
- Well, I haven't...
505
00:32:01,781 --> 00:32:05,233
- I haven't quite discovered
that side of New York.
506
00:32:05,268 --> 00:32:06,855
Being a Baptist clergyman,
507
00:32:06,890 --> 00:32:08,927
they keep me involved
in other areas.
508
00:32:08,961 --> 00:32:09,824
- Right.
509
00:32:11,274 --> 00:32:13,932
- Your home is
actually in Atlanta.
510
00:32:13,966 --> 00:32:15,347
- Atlanta, that's right.
- Atlanta, Georgia.
511
00:32:15,381 --> 00:32:16,969
Have you lived
there all your life?
512
00:32:19,385 --> 00:32:20,766
- I was born in Atlanta
513
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,149
and went to school in
Atlanta through college,
514
00:32:24,183 --> 00:32:27,324
and then I went to
theological seminary
515
00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:29,809
and graduate school
in the North.
516
00:32:31,225 --> 00:32:33,606
- Mrs. King, of
course lives in Atlanta.
517
00:32:33,641 --> 00:32:37,886
- Oh yes, she is from
Alabama originally, but,
518
00:32:37,921 --> 00:32:40,613
- All along, I have
supported my husband.
519
00:32:40,648 --> 00:32:43,513
Whatever happens to
him, it happens to me.
520
00:32:44,997 --> 00:32:46,171
- And children?
521
00:32:46,205 --> 00:32:47,517
- Yes, we
have four children.
522
00:32:47,551 --> 00:32:50,451
- Ah, What would
their ages be, Doctor?
523
00:32:50,485 --> 00:32:54,903
- 11, 9, 6 and 4.
524
00:32:54,938 --> 00:32:59,115
We have two girls and two boys.
525
00:32:59,149 --> 00:33:01,117
- Do you have a church
at this time in Atlanta?
526
00:33:01,151 --> 00:33:03,982
- Yes, I'm the co-pastor
527
00:33:04,016 --> 00:33:06,639
of Ebenezer Baptist
Church in Atlanta,
528
00:33:06,674 --> 00:33:08,710
and my father is pastor.
529
00:33:08,745 --> 00:33:11,058
- Both you
and your father.
530
00:33:11,092 --> 00:33:15,890
- Well, he makes it clear
sometimes consciously
531
00:33:15,924 --> 00:33:22,000
and sometimes unconsciously,
that he is the pastor.
532
00:33:22,034 --> 00:33:23,070
- Right.
- And I'm the co-pastor.
533
00:33:26,590 --> 00:33:29,007
- What has the
civil rights movement done
534
00:33:29,041 --> 00:33:32,148
to the Negro individually?
535
00:33:32,182 --> 00:33:34,495
- Well, I think the greatest
thing that it has done
536
00:33:34,529 --> 00:33:36,842
is that it has given the Negro
537
00:33:36,876 --> 00:33:41,088
a new sense of somebodiness.
538
00:33:41,122 --> 00:33:43,159
The Negro has straightened
his back up, so to speak,
539
00:33:43,193 --> 00:33:47,025
and you can't ride a man's
back unless it's bent.
540
00:33:47,059 --> 00:33:50,269
And I'm not at all
pessimistic about the future,
541
00:33:50,304 --> 00:33:54,515
because I think the Negro
has a kind of determination,
542
00:33:54,549 --> 00:34:00,762
and I think there are numerous
allies in the White community
543
00:34:00,797 --> 00:34:02,350
with the same kind
of determination.
544
00:34:02,385 --> 00:34:08,046
And with this kind of creative
and constructive coalition,
545
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,530
we can move forward,
546
00:34:09,564 --> 00:34:11,877
even to solve these
more difficult problems
547
00:34:11,911 --> 00:34:13,154
that I have mentioned.
548
00:34:38,835 --> 00:34:40,216
- Welcome, ladies and gentlemen,
549
00:34:40,250 --> 00:34:42,390
to "Let's Look at Congress".
550
00:34:42,425 --> 00:34:45,083
Today I have a guest for you
551
00:34:45,117 --> 00:34:48,396
that I know will be
a great treat to see.
552
00:34:48,431 --> 00:34:50,398
- Congressman Keating,
I am very happy indeed
553
00:34:50,433 --> 00:34:51,917
to have this opportunity
554
00:34:51,951 --> 00:34:54,816
of appearing with you on
your television program.
555
00:34:54,851 --> 00:34:57,509
- And Mr. Hoover, to what extent
556
00:34:57,543 --> 00:35:00,581
do you in your work
use wiretapping?
557
00:35:00,615 --> 00:35:02,997
That's always a question
that people wonder about.
558
00:35:03,031 --> 00:35:04,343
- I'm very glad you
asked me that question,
559
00:35:04,378 --> 00:35:06,104
Congressman Keating.
560
00:35:06,138 --> 00:35:09,245
The FBI was authorized
to utilize wiretaps
561
00:35:09,279 --> 00:35:11,868
only in those cases
involving treason,
562
00:35:11,902 --> 00:35:15,251
or subversive activities,
sabotage and espionage.
563
00:35:15,285 --> 00:35:16,838
And I can say to you
as of this moment,
564
00:35:16,873 --> 00:35:20,118
there are less than 90 wiretaps
in the entire United States
565
00:35:20,152 --> 00:35:22,258
and territories of our country.
566
00:35:22,292 --> 00:35:25,123
- While I'm sure that will
disabuse many people's minds
567
00:35:25,157 --> 00:35:27,435
of the wide use of it,
568
00:35:27,470 --> 00:35:31,129
- The FBI had sort
of interesting set of policies
569
00:35:31,163 --> 00:35:32,958
about surveillance.
570
00:35:32,992 --> 00:35:35,029
There'd been a lot
of public discussion,
571
00:35:35,063 --> 00:35:37,031
a lot of court cases
around wiretapping.
572
00:35:37,065 --> 00:35:39,965
So that's the telephone.
573
00:35:39,999 --> 00:35:42,692
- Often, when the FBI was
gonna wiretap someone,
574
00:35:42,726 --> 00:35:46,144
they had to get the authority
of the Attorney General.
575
00:35:46,178 --> 00:35:49,285
That was policy that
was more or less law.
576
00:35:49,319 --> 00:35:52,529
- My colleagues and I in
the Department of Justice
577
00:35:52,564 --> 00:35:56,637
are your representatives in
the federal courts of the land.
578
00:35:56,671 --> 00:35:58,811
- Citing
the danger of Levison
579
00:35:58,846 --> 00:36:01,952
and King's apparent dishonesty,
580
00:36:03,333 --> 00:36:06,819
Robert Kennedy authorizes
for the first time,
581
00:36:06,854 --> 00:36:10,202
wiretaps on King
himself in Atlanta.
582
00:36:14,033 --> 00:36:19,832
The FBI is not really telling
Attorney General Kennedy
583
00:36:19,867 --> 00:36:24,009
that it has this other agenda.
584
00:36:24,043 --> 00:36:27,012
- When the FBI
first started conducting
585
00:36:27,046 --> 00:36:29,670
overt surveillance of King,
586
00:36:29,704 --> 00:36:32,845
it really had something of
a national security logic,
587
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,193
or at least they
presented it that way.
588
00:36:35,227 --> 00:36:38,023
The theory was,
there were communists
589
00:36:38,057 --> 00:36:39,438
within the civil
rights movement,
590
00:36:39,473 --> 00:36:43,339
the Communist Party was very
tied to the Soviet Union,
591
00:36:43,373 --> 00:36:46,342
but one of the things that I
think we can take from this
592
00:36:46,376 --> 00:36:52,279
is how easy it is for that
to morph into something else.
593
00:36:52,313 --> 00:36:55,627
As those taps, and as that
surveillance really began,
594
00:36:55,661 --> 00:36:59,424
the FBI found out all
sorts of things about King.
595
00:36:59,458 --> 00:37:02,979
And very quickly, while
they still had some concern
596
00:37:03,013 --> 00:37:04,981
with the communist question,
597
00:37:05,015 --> 00:37:07,225
it begins to become something
598
00:37:07,259 --> 00:37:09,951
that's much more about
King's personal life,
599
00:37:09,986 --> 00:37:13,058
about him as a man,
about his sex life,
600
00:37:13,092 --> 00:37:16,268
about his family,
about his confidants,
601
00:37:16,303 --> 00:37:18,926
and about really
his private life.
602
00:37:20,755 --> 00:37:23,171
It happened really
without the approval
603
00:37:23,206 --> 00:37:25,933
or authority of anyone
outside of the FBI.
604
00:37:36,495 --> 00:37:39,395
- As soon as the
wiretap on King's home
605
00:37:39,429 --> 00:37:42,915
begins in late 1963,
606
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:49,163
within weeks, the FBI
begins convening meetings
607
00:37:49,197 --> 00:37:51,821
to discuss, how can
we further exploit
608
00:37:51,855 --> 00:37:53,995
all of these
extramarital recordings?
609
00:37:56,135 --> 00:38:00,278
And that is transparently
why Bill Sullivan,
610
00:38:00,312 --> 00:38:03,591
as the head of FBI
Domestic Intelligence,
611
00:38:03,626 --> 00:38:07,043
made the decision that
the FBI should expand
612
00:38:07,077 --> 00:38:10,322
its electronic
surveillance of Dr. King,
613
00:38:10,357 --> 00:38:15,016
from just wiretapping, to also
using microphones, AKA bugs.
614
00:38:17,881 --> 00:38:20,884
Sullivan's focus was collecting
615
00:38:20,919 --> 00:38:24,336
salacious sexual
material on King.
616
00:38:28,236 --> 00:38:30,031
- And the FBI
had a very elaborate
617
00:38:30,066 --> 00:38:32,137
and very complicated process
618
00:38:32,171 --> 00:38:35,105
for getting those bugs
to the right places.
619
00:38:38,730 --> 00:38:41,629
- Call Blandon.
620
00:38:41,664 --> 00:38:45,046
- Now, in a Willard
Hotel type of situation,
621
00:38:45,081 --> 00:38:49,154
the FBI and its buddies
on the hotel staff
622
00:38:49,188 --> 00:38:51,398
could decide in advance,
623
00:38:51,432 --> 00:38:55,160
what room is Martin Luther
King gonna be assigned to,
624
00:38:55,194 --> 00:38:58,128
and have the
microphones in place.
625
00:39:00,855 --> 00:39:04,928
- They would set up
the bugs in his hotel rooms,
626
00:39:04,963 --> 00:39:07,759
and usually would take
the room either next door
627
00:39:07,793 --> 00:39:09,657
or downstairs somewhere,
628
00:39:09,692 --> 00:39:11,763
where they could affect
listen to the recordings,
629
00:39:11,797 --> 00:39:13,005
monitor what was going on,
630
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,593
and sometimes, you know,
631
00:39:14,628 --> 00:39:18,494
observe physically who was
going in and out of the room,
632
00:39:18,528 --> 00:39:20,185
'cause when you
have a recording,
633
00:39:20,219 --> 00:39:21,773
all you have are
a bunch of voices.
634
00:39:21,807 --> 00:39:24,189
One of the challenges
of those recordings
635
00:39:24,223 --> 00:39:25,915
is trying to figure out,
636
00:39:25,949 --> 00:39:28,193
particularly in
sexual situations
637
00:39:28,227 --> 00:39:30,437
with more than a couple
of people involved,
638
00:39:30,471 --> 00:39:32,749
who's saying what,
who's doing what?
639
00:39:32,784 --> 00:39:34,958
And so there was physical
surveillance then involved,
640
00:39:34,993 --> 00:39:39,031
to know who was in the room,
who appeared to sound what way,
641
00:39:39,066 --> 00:39:40,378
and what they might be up to.
642
00:39:42,828 --> 00:39:44,451
- Down this
Avenue of sadness,
643
00:39:44,485 --> 00:39:47,143
they bring President John
F. Kennedy, martyred hero,
644
00:39:47,177 --> 00:39:50,802
to lie in state under the
great dome of the Capitol.
645
00:39:50,836 --> 00:39:54,392
- No memorial, oration or eulogy
646
00:39:54,426 --> 00:39:58,982
could more eloquently honor
President Kennedy's memory,
647
00:39:59,017 --> 00:40:02,607
than the earliest
possible passage
648
00:40:02,641 --> 00:40:05,713
of the Civil Rights Bill
for which he fought so long.
649
00:40:10,856 --> 00:40:12,168
- Congress passes
650
00:40:12,202 --> 00:40:13,238
the most sweeping
civil rights bill
651
00:40:13,272 --> 00:40:15,343
ever to be written into the law.
652
00:40:15,378 --> 00:40:18,554
And thus reaffirms
the conception of
equality for all men,
653
00:40:18,588 --> 00:40:22,454
that began with Lincoln and
the Civil War, 100 years ago.
654
00:40:22,489 --> 00:40:24,422
The Negro won his freedom then,
655
00:40:24,456 --> 00:40:26,113
he wins his dignity now.
656
00:40:28,702 --> 00:40:30,566
Five hours after the
House passes the measure,
657
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,811
the Civil Rights Act of 1964
is signed at the white House
658
00:40:34,846 --> 00:40:36,641
by President Johnson.
659
00:40:36,675 --> 00:40:39,333
Before an audience
of legislators and
civil rights leaders
660
00:40:39,367 --> 00:40:42,440
who have labored long and
hard for passage of the bill,
661
00:40:42,474 --> 00:40:44,925
President Johnson calls
for all Americans,
662
00:40:44,959 --> 00:40:48,653
to back what he calls, "A
turning point in history."
663
00:40:52,898 --> 00:40:55,867
Integration leader, Martin
Luther King, receives his pen,
664
00:40:55,901 --> 00:40:57,765
a gift he said he would cherish.
665
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,355
The Department of Justice will
enforce the law if necessary,
666
00:41:01,389 --> 00:41:03,495
And G-man chief, J.
Edgar Hoover, is present.
667
00:41:07,810 --> 00:41:10,122
Now in this summer of 1964,
668
00:41:10,157 --> 00:41:12,780
the Civil Rights Bill
is the law of the land.
669
00:41:12,815 --> 00:41:14,230
In the words of the president,
670
00:41:14,264 --> 00:41:16,301
it restricts no one's freedom,
671
00:41:16,335 --> 00:41:18,510
so long as he respects
the rights of others.
672
00:41:25,655 --> 00:41:30,418
- This is an extremely
moving moment in my life.
673
00:41:38,910 --> 00:41:40,498
- We didn't
know anything about it.
674
00:41:40,532 --> 00:41:44,502
We didn't even know that
Dr. King had been nominated
675
00:41:44,536 --> 00:41:47,021
until it was announced that he
had received the Nobel Prize.
676
00:41:48,747 --> 00:41:53,234
- I do not consider this, merely
an honor to me personally,
677
00:41:53,269 --> 00:41:57,653
but a tribute to the
discipline, wise restraint
678
00:41:57,687 --> 00:42:03,417
and majestic courage of the
millions of gallant Negros
679
00:42:03,451 --> 00:42:05,523
and White persons of goodwill
680
00:42:05,557 --> 00:42:08,353
who have followed a
non-violent course
681
00:42:08,387 --> 00:42:11,736
in seeking to establish
the reign of justice
682
00:42:11,770 --> 00:42:16,775
and the rule of love
across this nation of ours.
683
00:42:16,810 --> 00:42:19,019
- Do you plan
to go personally, do you?
684
00:42:19,053 --> 00:42:20,261
- Yes, I definitely plan to go.
685
00:42:20,296 --> 00:42:21,849
- The
missus can go with you?
686
00:42:21,884 --> 00:42:24,542
- Well, I certainly hope so,
687
00:42:24,576 --> 00:42:28,131
and I'm sure that
we can work out
688
00:42:28,166 --> 00:42:29,616
a way for her to get there,
689
00:42:29,650 --> 00:42:32,101
being a mother
and four children,
690
00:42:32,135 --> 00:42:33,930
it's not easy to get
away all the time,
691
00:42:33,965 --> 00:42:36,864
but I'm sure that
on this occasion,
692
00:42:36,899 --> 00:42:38,348
she will be accompanying me.
693
00:42:42,629 --> 00:42:45,217
- I was with
him down in Bimini,
694
00:42:45,252 --> 00:42:47,703
shortly after the announcement.
695
00:42:47,737 --> 00:42:51,154
Bimini didn't have any phones
and there was no television.
696
00:42:51,189 --> 00:42:53,087
There was nothing
much to do on Bimini,
697
00:42:54,433 --> 00:42:58,541
and he was working on
his Nobel Prize speech,
698
00:43:00,025 --> 00:43:02,718
but all of a sudden,
699
00:43:02,752 --> 00:43:04,754
you know, these helicopters
started coming in.
700
00:43:09,034 --> 00:43:11,727
It was all the national press
701
00:43:11,761 --> 00:43:13,383
that had found
out where we were.
702
00:43:15,282 --> 00:43:16,801
And they came and they told us
703
00:43:16,835 --> 00:43:22,738
that Hoover had made the speech
to a women's organization,
704
00:43:22,772 --> 00:43:25,706
that Martin Luther King was the
world's most notorious liar.
705
00:43:28,571 --> 00:43:33,231
Well, I don't know what
he was lying about.
706
00:43:35,854 --> 00:43:39,617
- Well, naturally I was
shocked and greatly surprised
707
00:43:39,651 --> 00:43:43,655
that Mr. Hoover would
make such an unwarranted
708
00:43:43,690 --> 00:43:46,175
and vicious accusation.
709
00:43:46,209 --> 00:43:49,350
I don't think Mr. Hoover would
have made such a statement
710
00:43:49,385 --> 00:43:52,837
if he had not been under
a great deal of pressure.
711
00:43:52,871 --> 00:43:55,633
- Do you believe the
FBI is doing all it can
712
00:43:55,667 --> 00:43:58,843
to resolve civil
rights complaints?
713
00:43:58,877 --> 00:44:01,397
- While I don't know all of
the inner workings of the FBI,
714
00:44:01,431 --> 00:44:04,849
I do know that in cases
715
00:44:04,883 --> 00:44:08,473
that do not involve
Negros and civil rights,
716
00:44:08,507 --> 00:44:10,371
the FBI moves with dispatch,
717
00:44:10,406 --> 00:44:12,650
it has the machinery,
the know-how.
718
00:44:12,684 --> 00:44:14,790
The fact remains that in spite
719
00:44:14,824 --> 00:44:17,655
of all of the brutalities
we faced in Albany, Georgia,
720
00:44:17,689 --> 00:44:19,242
not a single arrest was made,
721
00:44:19,277 --> 00:44:21,659
in spite of the fact that four
722
00:44:21,693 --> 00:44:24,213
unoffending innocent Negro girls
723
00:44:24,247 --> 00:44:27,423
were brutally murdered in a
church in Birmingham, Alabama,
724
00:44:27,457 --> 00:44:29,805
not a single arrest
has been made.
725
00:44:29,839 --> 00:44:32,980
And in spite of the fact
that the civil rights workers
726
00:44:33,015 --> 00:44:35,500
were killed this
summer in Mississippi,
727
00:44:35,534 --> 00:44:38,054
we haven't seen a single arrest.
728
00:44:40,539 --> 00:44:42,818
- After Hoover denounced
Martin Luther King
729
00:44:42,852 --> 00:44:47,236
as the most notorious
liar in the United States,
730
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:51,378
it produced a real showdown
between Hoover and King.
731
00:44:52,862 --> 00:44:55,106
- I have an old comment
to make on that.
732
00:44:55,140 --> 00:44:56,521
- How are you
feeling, Mr. Hoover?
733
00:44:56,555 --> 00:44:57,695
- Excellent.
734
00:44:57,729 --> 00:44:59,731
- Is there any
response on your part
735
00:44:59,766 --> 00:45:02,596
to the suggestions
that you resign?
736
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:03,666
- That's the wish.
737
00:45:05,323 --> 00:45:07,325
- Thank you very much, sir.
738
00:45:10,155 --> 00:45:15,747
- Hoover and King
only met face-to-face once.
739
00:45:15,782 --> 00:45:20,131
They agreed to sit
down on Hoover's turf
in Hoover's office,
740
00:45:20,165 --> 00:45:22,098
and try to make peace.
741
00:45:28,656 --> 00:45:30,210
King showed up.
742
00:45:30,244 --> 00:45:34,973
He brought a few of his closest
advisers and aides with him.
743
00:45:35,008 --> 00:45:37,562
There was no press
inside that office
744
00:45:37,596 --> 00:45:40,738
when they sat down together.
745
00:45:40,772 --> 00:45:44,362
By all accounts, Hoover kinda
talked at them for awhile,
746
00:45:46,088 --> 00:45:48,746
and then King emerged saying,
747
00:45:48,780 --> 00:45:51,749
You know, all good.
748
00:45:51,783 --> 00:45:54,165
- Did he apologize to you or
in any way indicate regret
749
00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:55,822
for what he had said?
750
00:45:55,856 --> 00:45:58,790
- Well, I must say that
the conference was friendly
751
00:45:58,825 --> 00:46:04,692
and that Mr. Hoover talked
in a very amiable away,
752
00:46:04,727 --> 00:46:08,489
so that, in a very
friendly manner.
753
00:46:08,524 --> 00:46:10,975
The whole talk
was very friendly,
754
00:46:11,009 --> 00:46:14,772
and I think he saw it to get
over through some of the,
755
00:46:14,806 --> 00:46:17,671
- Do you feel your visit
here then was a success,
756
00:46:17,705 --> 00:46:19,362
or how would you
characterize it?
757
00:46:19,397 --> 00:46:21,157
- Well, I would say
it was a success
758
00:46:21,192 --> 00:46:24,851
in the sense that I
think we developed
759
00:46:24,885 --> 00:46:26,853
new levels of understanding,
760
00:46:26,887 --> 00:46:28,440
and as I said to him
in the beginning,
761
00:46:28,475 --> 00:46:30,788
I felt that this was
a basic necessity.
762
00:46:30,822 --> 00:46:32,099
- Did he specifically
mention his comment
763
00:46:32,134 --> 00:46:33,135
about being a liar?
764
00:46:34,653 --> 00:46:37,484
- I think we'll
have to end it here.
765
00:46:40,418 --> 00:46:42,178
- Ultimately
King and Hoover
766
00:46:42,213 --> 00:46:45,872
pretended to come to some
sort of accord out of that,
767
00:46:45,906 --> 00:46:47,563
but it was a big controversy
768
00:46:47,597 --> 00:46:50,048
and it was a
polarizing controversy.
769
00:46:50,083 --> 00:46:52,948
- What do you
think of Martin Luther King?
770
00:46:52,982 --> 00:46:54,397
- Well sir, I don't know.
771
00:46:54,432 --> 00:46:55,709
I read a lot about him.
772
00:46:55,743 --> 00:46:59,817
- Well, I don't care
for him. He's too bossy.
773
00:46:59,851 --> 00:47:01,404
Thinks he's too smart.
774
00:47:01,439 --> 00:47:05,753
- I think he's a very wonderful
man trying to help our race.
775
00:47:05,788 --> 00:47:09,827
- Well, you know what
Hoover thought about him.
776
00:47:09,861 --> 00:47:13,209
I think he's about 10 times
as bad as Hoover said.
777
00:47:13,244 --> 00:47:15,591
- Wait, why do
you feel that way, sir?
778
00:47:15,625 --> 00:47:18,387
- Well, I guess
from all the trouble
779
00:47:18,421 --> 00:47:19,940
he's caused in this country,
780
00:47:20,941 --> 00:47:23,081
all this rioting and things,
781
00:47:23,116 --> 00:47:25,394
I just think he's
about the worst,
782
00:47:25,428 --> 00:47:27,223
if he is a human, about
the worst in the world.
783
00:47:29,812 --> 00:47:32,090
- Probably my
favorite public opinion poll,
784
00:47:32,125 --> 00:47:33,678
which tells us something
785
00:47:33,712 --> 00:47:36,439
about how radically
different this moment was,
786
00:47:36,474 --> 00:47:39,097
in the aftermath
of that showdown,
787
00:47:39,132 --> 00:47:43,239
fully 50% of the public
sided with J. Edgar Hoover,
788
00:47:43,274 --> 00:47:46,691
around 15, 20% sided
with Martin Luther King,
789
00:47:46,725 --> 00:47:48,175
and a bunch of other people
790
00:47:48,210 --> 00:47:49,694
said they weren't following
it and didn't know,
791
00:47:49,728 --> 00:47:53,698
but Hoover was the
universally beloved figure,
792
00:47:53,732 --> 00:47:56,183
King was the
controversial figure,
793
00:47:56,218 --> 00:47:58,047
and I think we tend
to forget that.
794
00:48:12,510 --> 00:48:13,891
- One of the things
795
00:48:13,925 --> 00:48:15,547
that's helped to
legitimize the FBI
796
00:48:15,582 --> 00:48:17,549
is American popular culture.
797
00:48:17,584 --> 00:48:19,275
- The FBI.
798
00:48:19,310 --> 00:48:21,139
- I think that
we're constantly battling
799
00:48:21,174 --> 00:48:24,315
with popular representations
of police, FBI,
800
00:48:24,349 --> 00:48:25,385
and federal agents,
801
00:48:25,419 --> 00:48:26,558
- NY-20, go ahead.
802
00:48:26,593 --> 00:48:28,491
- As our saviors.
803
00:48:33,013 --> 00:48:36,568
- The FBI was
incredibly good under Hoover
804
00:48:36,603 --> 00:48:39,571
at promoting an image of itself,
805
00:48:39,606 --> 00:48:44,404
really as the heroes of America.
806
00:48:44,438 --> 00:48:48,235
- Hey Mr. Hoover, your
G-men sure are good.
807
00:48:48,270 --> 00:48:50,997
I'd like to be one
when I grow up.
808
00:48:51,031 --> 00:48:54,379
- If you work hard, play
hard, you're gonna one.
809
00:48:56,209 --> 00:49:00,938
- one of the most
important things that Hoover did
810
00:49:00,972 --> 00:49:06,771
was to create a Bureau,
really in his own image.
811
00:49:06,805 --> 00:49:09,947
That meant that he hired a
very particular kind of person
812
00:49:09,981 --> 00:49:11,603
as an agent.
813
00:49:11,638 --> 00:49:14,434
A relatively
conservative White man
814
00:49:14,468 --> 00:49:17,264
of a certain height
and a certain weight.
815
00:49:17,299 --> 00:49:22,442
He particularly liked fraternity
boys and football players,
816
00:49:22,476 --> 00:49:25,203
but there's a reason
that people know
817
00:49:25,238 --> 00:49:27,792
when you say that's a G-man,
818
00:49:27,826 --> 00:49:29,897
there's something
that you have in mind.
819
00:49:29,932 --> 00:49:33,108
It's a man in a
suit, a White man,
820
00:49:33,142 --> 00:49:36,559
probably about six feet
tall, buff, conservative,
821
00:49:36,594 --> 00:49:38,078
that was what Hoover wanted.
822
00:49:43,152 --> 00:49:45,534
- Time Magazine
says that
Martin Luther King, Jr.
823
00:49:45,568 --> 00:49:48,813
has made himself the
unchallenged voice
of the Negro people.
824
00:49:48,847 --> 00:49:50,746
That he has become to millions
825
00:49:50,780 --> 00:49:52,920
in the North and in the South,
826
00:49:52,955 --> 00:49:54,992
the symbol of the
Negro revolution.
827
00:49:55,026 --> 00:49:56,821
He is a member of the clergy,
828
00:49:56,855 --> 00:49:58,823
he has been called
the American Gandhi,
829
00:49:58,857 --> 00:50:01,067
he is with us today
from Atlanta, Georgia,
830
00:50:01,101 --> 00:50:02,654
where he is president
831
00:50:02,689 --> 00:50:04,415
of the Southern Christian
Leadership Conference.
832
00:50:04,449 --> 00:50:06,934
We'll have a question
now from Gay Pauley.
833
00:50:06,969 --> 00:50:10,007
- The non-violence always
end up with violence,
834
00:50:10,041 --> 00:50:11,629
or almost always, Dr. King.
835
00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:16,944
What excuse or what reason
836
00:50:16,979 --> 00:50:18,912
do you offer for this approach
837
00:50:18,946 --> 00:50:21,673
of creating a crisis
atmosphere in a community,
838
00:50:21,708 --> 00:50:23,399
which leads to bloodshed,
839
00:50:23,434 --> 00:50:25,850
as it has in many Southern
cities and some Northern?
840
00:50:25,884 --> 00:50:27,162
- Well, I think we should see
841
00:50:27,196 --> 00:50:29,854
the source of the
bloodshed first,
842
00:50:29,888 --> 00:50:34,169
and we must understand the
real non-violent creed.
843
00:50:34,203 --> 00:50:37,172
- Well, doesn't this
crisis atmosphere though,
844
00:50:37,206 --> 00:50:39,795
create or endanger
the Negro's cause
845
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:42,177
by creating among the
Whites a resentment
846
00:50:42,211 --> 00:50:45,042
or feeling that the Negro
is moving too rapidly,
847
00:50:46,388 --> 00:50:48,355
asking too much so suddenly?
848
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:50,530
Does this worry you
that this atmosphere
849
00:50:50,564 --> 00:50:52,532
could be created, or is?
850
00:50:52,566 --> 00:50:55,052
- Well, I think this
is a temporary response
851
00:50:55,086 --> 00:50:56,984
in any social revolution.
852
00:50:57,019 --> 00:50:58,538
- Or doesn't it hurt your cause?
853
00:50:58,572 --> 00:50:59,780
- I don't think so.
854
00:50:59,815 --> 00:51:01,437
Ultimately I think it helps it
855
00:51:01,472 --> 00:51:02,990
in the final analysis.
856
00:51:03,025 --> 00:51:06,373
The only way people can
grapple with their prejudices
857
00:51:06,408 --> 00:51:09,066
is to admit that they have them.
858
00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:12,552
And so often people don't
realize they have them,
859
00:51:12,586 --> 00:51:15,002
and so often people
don't realize
860
00:51:15,037 --> 00:51:18,385
or honestly acknowledge
that that is a problem.
861
00:51:18,420 --> 00:51:22,562
And it is necessary, in
the nonviolent movement,
862
00:51:22,596 --> 00:51:24,391
to bring the issue
to the surface
863
00:51:24,426 --> 00:51:29,016
so that people are
forced to deal with it,
864
00:51:29,051 --> 00:51:32,330
and to deal with their
conscience on the issue.
865
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:38,672
- I call upon you.
866
00:52:56,587 --> 00:53:01,385
I have the great honor on
behalf of the Nobel Committee,
867
00:53:06,286 --> 00:53:10,635
to hand over to you the insignia
of the Nobel Peace Prize,
868
00:53:14,432 --> 00:53:17,539
the Diploma and the gold medal.
869
00:53:19,057 --> 00:53:23,200
- Thank you very much.
- Thank you very much.
870
00:53:31,380 --> 00:53:35,936
- Now, this is the greatest
honor that King has received.
871
00:53:37,662 --> 00:53:39,975
And the fact that
King is now being
872
00:53:40,009 --> 00:53:44,531
internationally celebrated
as a moral leader,
873
00:53:44,566 --> 00:53:48,190
deeply angers and offends
both Hoover and Sullivan.
874
00:53:50,675 --> 00:53:53,713
- He was upset
that this young Black man,
875
00:53:53,747 --> 00:53:58,442
who I think at that
time was 34, 35,
876
00:53:58,476 --> 00:54:01,238
is being recognized
around the world
877
00:54:01,272 --> 00:54:05,380
as a pioneer in
peace and justice.
878
00:54:05,414 --> 00:54:08,866
Hoover was being ignored,
and he blamed us.
879
00:54:13,526 --> 00:54:16,391
- Now, what am I gonna do
about Martin Luther King
880
00:54:16,425 --> 00:54:19,739
with all these reports that
are coming in on him all night?
881
00:54:19,773 --> 00:54:21,085
And there's somebody,
882
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:24,882
did somebody tell him,
watch his conduct?
883
00:54:48,319 --> 00:54:51,011
now, they're pressing me to
attend a dinner in his honor
884
00:54:51,046 --> 00:54:51,978
in New York.
885
00:54:53,635 --> 00:54:54,981
I can't do that, can I?
886
00:54:57,155 --> 00:54:58,950
- I would think you could,
887
00:54:58,985 --> 00:55:00,297
but I wouldn't advise you to.
888
00:55:00,331 --> 00:55:02,160
I'd find some other
reason why you can't.
889
00:55:10,410 --> 00:55:12,447
- The FBI is frustrated
890
00:55:12,481 --> 00:55:16,968
that even though they've
successfully caught King
891
00:55:17,003 --> 00:55:19,557
in 15 or more hotel rooms,
892
00:55:19,592 --> 00:55:22,457
and they've distributed
this behind the scenes
893
00:55:22,491 --> 00:55:24,804
to church leaders, to reporters,
894
00:55:24,838 --> 00:55:27,324
nothing's publicly happened.
895
00:55:27,358 --> 00:55:31,466
That despite all of the hundreds
and hundreds of man hours
896
00:55:31,500 --> 00:55:33,088
that they've put into this,
897
00:55:33,122 --> 00:55:35,021
King has not been
personally destroyed.
898
00:55:37,195 --> 00:55:40,267
- For Hoover, you
know, a lot of this is framed
899
00:55:40,302 --> 00:55:42,546
as a matter of hypocrisy.
900
00:55:42,580 --> 00:55:44,755
Here's the sainted minister
901
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:47,240
presenting himself as this
great moral authority,
902
00:55:47,274 --> 00:55:49,104
but we actually
know he's this sick,
903
00:55:49,138 --> 00:55:51,002
dirty, perverted creature.
904
00:55:51,037 --> 00:55:56,111
And you see that kind of
language all over FBI documents.
905
00:55:56,145 --> 00:55:57,906
- The FBI
surveillance of Dr. King,
906
00:55:57,940 --> 00:56:01,012
it was special in the fact
that whatever city he went to,
907
00:56:01,047 --> 00:56:03,083
it was all hands on deck.
908
00:56:03,118 --> 00:56:04,361
Everything else stopped.
909
00:56:06,397 --> 00:56:09,193
Hoover was obsessed
with Martin Luther King
910
00:56:09,227 --> 00:56:10,505
and his activities.
911
00:56:10,539 --> 00:56:13,128
From what I heard, there
were some photographs,
912
00:56:13,162 --> 00:56:14,509
whoever was in them,
913
00:56:14,543 --> 00:56:17,960
that just kind of fed
that mindset of Hoover
914
00:56:17,995 --> 00:56:19,962
but this was a dangerous man
915
00:56:19,997 --> 00:56:21,550
and they need to be removed.
916
00:56:23,241 --> 00:56:24,967
- Now,
this is not the way
917
00:56:25,002 --> 00:56:29,109
that Sullivan or Hoover
themselves would have said it,
918
00:56:29,144 --> 00:56:34,943
but there was a radicalism
to King's sexuality
919
00:56:34,977 --> 00:56:37,290
that they viewed as offensive.
920
00:56:37,324 --> 00:56:38,705
- For
Hoover in particular,
921
00:56:38,740 --> 00:56:42,537
he himself tried to be a very
tightly controlled person
922
00:56:42,571 --> 00:56:45,609
when it came to matters
of his personal life
923
00:56:45,643 --> 00:56:47,231
and his sexuality
924
00:56:47,265 --> 00:56:49,233
and the way that he policed
the boundaries of that.
925
00:56:49,267 --> 00:56:52,547
Now that's a complicated
story in its own right.
926
00:56:52,581 --> 00:56:55,342
- Hoover, and
particularly Bill Sullivan,
927
00:56:55,377 --> 00:56:57,828
the head of Domestic
Intelligence,
928
00:56:57,862 --> 00:57:01,348
paternalistically thought
that Martin Luther King Jr.
929
00:57:01,383 --> 00:57:06,043
was morally unfit to be a
leader of Black America.
930
00:57:08,459 --> 00:57:10,737
- I think
for Hoover as well,
931
00:57:10,772 --> 00:57:12,152
who was really raised
932
00:57:12,187 --> 00:57:15,017
in a Southern
segregationist tradition,
933
00:57:15,052 --> 00:57:17,088
a set of really outsized fears
934
00:57:17,123 --> 00:57:19,436
about Black men's sexuality,
935
00:57:19,470 --> 00:57:22,266
about Black men as rapists,
936
00:57:22,300 --> 00:57:24,371
as people who don't
know how to control
937
00:57:24,406 --> 00:57:26,857
their sexual appetites, right?
938
00:57:26,891 --> 00:57:29,653
They're looking at what
they're finding out about King
939
00:57:29,687 --> 00:57:31,827
and sort of seeing
it through that lens
940
00:57:31,862 --> 00:57:34,451
and narrating it through
that kind of language.
941
00:57:37,971 --> 00:57:41,458
- Dr. Martin Luther King can
call himself a Christian,
942
00:57:41,492 --> 00:57:44,288
and he mixes White
women, colored women
943
00:57:44,322 --> 00:57:46,255
and men and women all together.
944
00:57:47,981 --> 00:57:49,776
- I think
that this interest
945
00:57:49,811 --> 00:57:51,951
in the sexual life of King,
946
00:57:51,985 --> 00:57:53,780
this is just inseparable
947
00:57:53,815 --> 00:57:56,265
from the history of racial
violence in the United States.
948
00:57:58,060 --> 00:58:00,407
- Now, can you look in these
stripes of red on this flag,
949
00:58:00,442 --> 00:58:03,376
knowing very well
that your forefathers,
950
00:58:03,410 --> 00:58:07,484
yes, yours, not mine,
yours, all of them,
951
00:58:07,518 --> 00:58:09,727
that that stripe
represents that blood
952
00:58:09,762 --> 00:58:12,972
that they spilled on
this soil, American soil,
953
00:58:13,006 --> 00:58:15,492
something that you
have never had to do
954
00:58:15,526 --> 00:58:17,804
to give you this God-given right
955
00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:19,841
of racial character
and a inheritance.
956
00:58:23,534 --> 00:58:25,053
- When we
think about the U.S.
957
00:58:25,087 --> 00:58:26,641
as it emerges from
the Civil War,
958
00:58:26,675 --> 00:58:30,265
you have this idea that
formerly enslaved people
959
00:58:30,299 --> 00:58:33,993
should be integrated
into the body politic.
960
00:58:34,027 --> 00:58:36,443
And there is an
enormous pushback,
961
00:58:36,478 --> 00:58:39,516
not only from supporters
of the Confederacy,
962
00:58:39,550 --> 00:58:42,311
but the problem of race is
a national problem as well.
963
00:58:43,312 --> 00:58:45,280
One of the core justifications
964
00:58:45,314 --> 00:58:49,353
for preventing Black male
suffrage was deviance.
965
00:58:49,387 --> 00:58:51,424
That Black people are deviant.
966
00:58:51,458 --> 00:58:53,357
That Black men in
the state house
967
00:58:53,391 --> 00:58:54,910
are a threat to White women.
968
00:58:54,945 --> 00:58:56,602
And it's this representation
969
00:58:56,636 --> 00:58:59,397
of Black political
aspiration as sexual threat.
970
00:59:01,399 --> 00:59:04,161
And unfortunately, that's
an ever recurring theme.
971
00:59:06,128 --> 00:59:09,097
This mobilization
of black sexuality
972
00:59:09,131 --> 00:59:13,377
as a justification for
murder, for exclusion,
973
00:59:13,411 --> 00:59:17,208
for discrimination
and for incarceration.
974
00:59:17,243 --> 00:59:18,934
This is a fabric of
American history.
975
00:59:24,595 --> 00:59:27,046
- This was a way
that you could bring down
976
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:31,947
a very successful, influential
Black civil rights leader,
977
00:59:31,982 --> 00:59:36,780
and contain the movement by
destroying its figurehead.
978
00:59:36,814 --> 00:59:39,886
And so it's at that
moment that the FBI decide
979
00:59:39,921 --> 00:59:41,716
that they're really
gonna operationalize,
980
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:45,720
and go quite overtly after King.
981
00:59:45,754 --> 00:59:50,483
- When you stand up
against the forces of evil,
982
00:59:50,517 --> 00:59:54,073
you will be persecuted
for righteousness' sake.
983
00:59:54,107 --> 00:59:55,902
In the words of the spiritual,
984
00:59:55,937 --> 00:59:58,974
you will be buked and scorned.
985
00:59:59,009 --> 01:00:01,425
You will be talked about,
you will be lied on,
986
01:00:01,459 --> 01:00:04,324
you will be persecuted
in many ways,
987
01:00:04,359 --> 01:00:06,257
you will be thrown again,
988
01:00:06,292 --> 01:00:10,089
maybe into narrowed and
frustrating jail cells.
989
01:00:10,123 --> 01:00:12,609
I can't promise you
that you can avoid this.
990
01:00:15,542 --> 01:00:18,166
- We used to
have these conference calls
991
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:22,791
at least three times
a week late at night.
992
01:00:23,965 --> 01:00:26,830
10 or 11 o'clock at night.
993
01:00:26,864 --> 01:00:30,454
And I was convinced then, the
FBI was tapping our phones.
994
01:00:30,488 --> 01:00:34,113
I just said, "I'm sure
they're doing it."
995
01:00:34,147 --> 01:00:38,980
Dr. King became so annoyed at
me for repeatedly saying this.
996
01:00:41,741 --> 01:00:44,468
"Clarence," he said,
"Don't you know the FBI
997
01:00:44,502 --> 01:00:47,540
"has got more important
and better things to do
998
01:00:49,059 --> 01:00:51,440
"than to be wiretapping
our phones?"
999
01:00:53,684 --> 01:00:57,343
But there did come a day when
he became more suspicious.
1000
01:01:00,001 --> 01:01:04,902
And then there came
a day, certain.
1001
01:01:04,937 --> 01:01:09,527
When the FBI mailed the tape
of Dr. King with other women,
1002
01:01:16,362 --> 01:01:19,848
mailed it to him and to Coretta,
1003
01:01:22,782 --> 01:01:25,060
with an advice that he
should go kill himself,
1004
01:01:26,475 --> 01:01:27,856
that's when he knew.
1005
01:01:33,551 --> 01:01:35,174
- I think
there've always been
1006
01:01:35,208 --> 01:01:40,524
a couple of really important
tensions within the FBI.
1007
01:01:40,558 --> 01:01:43,458
One is being a very
rule-bound organization,
1008
01:01:43,492 --> 01:01:45,702
a very professional
organization,
1009
01:01:45,736 --> 01:01:50,396
an organization very attuned
to jurisdiction and law,
1010
01:01:52,743 --> 01:01:57,161
and then being an organization
that was almost law-less.
1011
01:02:01,131 --> 01:02:02,926
- The Bureau
has all of these
1012
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,135
hotel room recordings,
1013
01:02:05,169 --> 01:02:08,138
and so Sullivan
has his underlings
1014
01:02:08,172 --> 01:02:13,488
compose a greatest
hits compendium tape,
1015
01:02:13,522 --> 01:02:15,870
and then sits down on
his own typewriter,
1016
01:02:15,904 --> 01:02:19,356
to draft an anonymous
threatening letter to King.
1017
01:02:23,601 --> 01:02:24,741
- This is a reportedly
1018
01:02:24,775 --> 01:02:27,744
from an admirer
within the movement
1019
01:02:27,778 --> 01:02:31,402
who has found out about
King's sexual indiscretions,
1020
01:02:31,437 --> 01:02:33,059
feels betrayed by it,
1021
01:02:33,094 --> 01:02:37,339
and writes this full page,
really scurrilous letter
1022
01:02:37,374 --> 01:02:40,515
denouncing King as a
beast and a pervert,
1023
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:42,517
and a monster, a hypocrite,
1024
01:02:42,551 --> 01:02:46,417
and in fact saying, "I
know what you've done."
1025
01:02:46,452 --> 01:02:50,318
- It's clearly a
very poor quality attempt
1026
01:02:50,352 --> 01:02:53,183
of someone who is sort
of culturally clueless
1027
01:02:53,217 --> 01:02:56,600
to pass as Black.
1028
01:02:56,634 --> 01:02:59,776
- They put
this package together
and send it off,
1029
01:02:59,810 --> 01:03:02,502
saying, "King, you know
what you have to do."
1030
01:03:02,537 --> 01:03:06,541
and giving him a deadline
by which he needs to do it.
1031
01:03:06,575 --> 01:03:08,370
Many people have
interpreted that
1032
01:03:08,405 --> 01:03:10,614
to be that you need
to kill yourself.
1033
01:03:10,648 --> 01:03:12,547
And this is one of
the ways that King
1034
01:03:12,581 --> 01:03:16,516
and his confidants who saw
this letter interpreted it.
1035
01:03:16,551 --> 01:03:18,173
There's some ambiguity there,
1036
01:03:18,208 --> 01:03:21,452
but it is one of the most
notorious and dirty tricks
1037
01:03:21,487 --> 01:03:25,008
that the FBI ever, ever
conducted in the 1960s.
1038
01:03:25,042 --> 01:03:26,181
- Have
you read that letter?
1039
01:03:26,216 --> 01:03:27,734
- Yes, I have.
1040
01:03:27,769 --> 01:03:29,564
I was sick to my
stomach, actually.
1041
01:03:29,598 --> 01:03:32,878
I mean, I didn't throw up,
but I felt ill reading it,
1042
01:03:32,912 --> 01:03:34,638
and that's what I
mean when I say,
1043
01:03:34,672 --> 01:03:37,641
I think this entire episode
1044
01:03:37,675 --> 01:03:40,368
represents the darkest part
of the Bureau's history.
1045
01:03:44,406 --> 01:03:47,996
- The package
was sent to the office.
1046
01:03:50,171 --> 01:03:53,174
I think it was mailed to us
from somewhere in Florida.
1047
01:03:54,623 --> 01:03:56,867
We never saw it.
1048
01:03:56,902 --> 01:03:59,697
It was put in a box,
and sent to Coretta.
1049
01:04:01,182 --> 01:04:04,771
So she opened it up
and she played it,
1050
01:04:04,806 --> 01:04:06,843
and then she called
the office and said,
1051
01:04:06,877 --> 01:04:10,156
"Look, somebody has
sent a tape in here
1052
01:04:10,191 --> 01:04:13,228
"trying to get Martin
to kill himself.
1053
01:04:14,885 --> 01:04:17,888
"And they have a recording
1054
01:04:17,923 --> 01:04:22,203
of some man and
woman in the bed."
1055
01:04:25,551 --> 01:04:27,864
I didn't even want
to hear it, you know?
1056
01:04:29,555 --> 01:04:32,385
This was designed to upset him.
1057
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:37,045
We always assume that
Hoover was behind it.
1058
01:04:40,738 --> 01:04:45,053
My philosophy about
the movement is that
1059
01:04:46,744 --> 01:04:49,264
unless I saw something
with my own eyes,
1060
01:04:52,060 --> 01:04:55,167
you really have to be
careful what you believe.
1061
01:05:15,359 --> 01:05:18,638
- I'm here because
I want you to know
1062
01:05:18,673 --> 01:05:22,263
that I'm with you and
that I am with my husband.
1063
01:05:24,092 --> 01:05:30,236
As the wife a major symbol
of the civil rights movement,
1064
01:05:30,271 --> 01:05:33,515
I think I can say
that, without boasting,
1065
01:05:33,550 --> 01:05:34,620
I think it's a fact,
1066
01:05:37,105 --> 01:05:40,074
I have had the privilege
of being perhaps
1067
01:05:40,108 --> 01:05:41,834
closer to him than anybody else,
1068
01:05:41,868 --> 01:05:44,492
and perhaps that
maybe I understand him
1069
01:05:44,526 --> 01:05:46,183
better than anyone else.
1070
01:05:46,218 --> 01:05:48,772
And therefore, I think I have
a pretty good understanding
1071
01:05:48,806 --> 01:05:49,911
of the whole struggle.
1072
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,091
- In the immediate
wake of Mrs. King,
1073
01:05:57,125 --> 01:05:59,714
Dr. King and King's
closest aides
1074
01:05:59,748 --> 01:06:02,441
listening to the anonymous,
1075
01:06:02,475 --> 01:06:05,892
embarrassing tape
recording from the FBI,
1076
01:06:05,927 --> 01:06:09,793
Dr. King undergoes a
real emotional crisis.
1077
01:06:09,827 --> 01:06:11,381
And it's an emotional crisis
1078
01:06:11,415 --> 01:06:14,453
that the FBI is listening in on,
1079
01:06:14,487 --> 01:06:17,628
thanks to its
telephone wiretaps.
1080
01:06:17,663 --> 01:06:21,356
Dr. King is desperately afraid
1081
01:06:21,391 --> 01:06:27,017
that his sex life is going
to be exposed in raw detail
1082
01:06:27,052 --> 01:06:28,260
to the American public.
1083
01:06:31,849 --> 01:06:35,992
Now, his life is so busy
on a day-to-day basis
1084
01:06:36,026 --> 01:06:38,304
in early 1965,
1085
01:06:38,339 --> 01:06:41,928
that he's not able
to worry about this
1086
01:06:41,963 --> 01:06:45,242
24 hours a day,
seven days a week.
1087
01:06:45,277 --> 01:06:47,900
He's distracted from his worries
1088
01:06:47,934 --> 01:06:49,626
a good portion of the time.
1089
01:06:50,696 --> 01:06:53,768
But the emotional impact on King
1090
01:06:53,802 --> 01:06:57,427
of what the FBI
was doing to him,
1091
01:06:57,461 --> 01:06:58,807
cannot be gainsaid.
1092
01:07:02,535 --> 01:07:08,162
King was clearly in very
serious emotional turmoil
1093
01:07:08,196 --> 01:07:11,406
or emotional fear,
1094
01:07:11,441 --> 01:07:15,514
and even as a few weeks went
by and nothing happened,
1095
01:07:15,548 --> 01:07:19,863
King always has that worry
in the back of his mind,
1096
01:07:19,897 --> 01:07:23,177
that at some point the
FBI is going to get lucky,
1097
01:07:23,211 --> 01:07:26,525
and some journalist,
some magazine
1098
01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:28,044
is going to print all of this.
1099
01:07:29,838 --> 01:07:36,052
- This is Highway number 80,
Selma to Montgomery, Alabama.
1100
01:07:36,086 --> 01:07:38,882
You can fly it in a
matter of minutes.
1101
01:07:38,916 --> 01:07:41,057
You can drive it in
less than an hour,
1102
01:07:42,334 --> 01:07:47,063
or you can walk it in five days,
1103
01:07:47,097 --> 01:07:49,720
which is what this is all about.
1104
01:07:49,755 --> 01:07:52,516
- We knew that the
FBI was following closely.
1105
01:07:53,517 --> 01:07:54,760
Almost everywhere we went,
1106
01:07:56,106 --> 01:07:58,902
we identified the agents.
1107
01:07:58,936 --> 01:08:02,940
We assumed that the
rooms were bugged,
1108
01:08:04,149 --> 01:08:06,082
we knew that the
telephones were tapped.
1109
01:08:07,842 --> 01:08:10,155
Dick Gregory said that,
1110
01:08:10,189 --> 01:08:12,640
if you're Black and
not slightly paranoid,
1111
01:08:12,674 --> 01:08:14,297
you're really sick.
1112
01:08:14,331 --> 01:08:15,850
And we were slightly paranoid,
1113
01:08:15,884 --> 01:08:17,921
but we never let that paranoia
1114
01:08:17,955 --> 01:08:22,339
interfere with what
we were trying to do.
1115
01:08:22,374 --> 01:08:28,311
- We've lived with slavery
and segregation 345 years.
1116
01:08:28,345 --> 01:08:30,623
We've waited a long
time for freedom.
1117
01:08:31,624 --> 01:08:33,937
Now is the time.
1118
01:08:33,971 --> 01:08:37,009
Make real the
promises of democracy.
1119
01:08:37,043 --> 01:08:40,323
Now is the time to
make justice a reality
1120
01:08:40,357 --> 01:08:42,290
for all of God's children.
1121
01:09:01,930 --> 01:09:04,140
- Today is a
triumph for freedom,
1122
01:09:05,831 --> 01:09:09,145
as huge as any victory
1123
01:09:09,179 --> 01:09:10,836
that's ever been won
on any battlefield.
1124
01:09:17,843 --> 01:09:20,294
- The triumphal
passage of the Voting Rights Act
1125
01:09:20,328 --> 01:09:23,193
really highlights what a
close political alliance
1126
01:09:23,228 --> 01:09:25,471
has developed between
Martin Luther King
1127
01:09:25,506 --> 01:09:28,716
and President Lyndon
Johnson's administration.
1128
01:09:32,202 --> 01:09:34,480
- Okay, hold on for this.
1129
01:09:34,515 --> 01:09:35,826
- Hello?
- Hello?
1130
01:09:35,861 --> 01:09:37,483
- Is this Dr. King?
1131
01:09:37,518 --> 01:09:38,726
- Yeah, it's pretty
bad. How are you today?
1132
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:40,486
- Well, I'm
doing pretty good,
1133
01:09:40,521 --> 01:09:44,663
and you better get thinking
cap on on this conference,
1134
01:09:44,697 --> 01:09:46,906
because we're gonna
have to rush it.
1135
01:09:46,941 --> 01:09:48,218
We don't wanna
rush you too much,
1136
01:09:48,253 --> 01:09:49,840
we wanna have plenty
of preliminary work
1137
01:09:49,875 --> 01:09:51,739
on the panels and things,
1138
01:09:51,773 --> 01:09:52,843
but you better, you can see here
1139
01:09:52,878 --> 01:09:55,777
that my Howard University speech
1140
01:09:55,812 --> 01:09:57,123
wasn't any too early.
1141
01:09:57,158 --> 01:09:58,746
- That's
right, that's right.
1142
01:09:58,780 --> 01:10:01,024
You said, you said
it right there.
1143
01:10:01,058 --> 01:10:02,232
That's right.
1144
01:10:02,267 --> 01:10:03,440
- But you put
1145
01:10:03,475 --> 01:10:05,028
a little of that
stuff into your thing.
1146
01:10:05,062 --> 01:10:06,788
Refer that Howard
university speech.
1147
01:10:06,823 --> 01:10:08,514
Nobody ever publicized that.
1148
01:10:08,549 --> 01:10:10,206
- Almost every
speech I've made,
1149
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:14,210
it's because I think
it's the best statement
1150
01:10:14,244 --> 01:10:17,420
and analysis of the
problem I've seen anywhere.
1151
01:10:17,454 --> 01:10:20,457
Certainly, no president has
ever said it like that before.
1152
01:10:20,492 --> 01:10:21,286
- But if you
got any suggestions
1153
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:23,046
or recommendation,
1154
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:24,979
why, I'm just as
close as the telephone
1155
01:10:25,013 --> 01:10:27,050
if you got enough
money to pay it,
1156
01:10:27,084 --> 01:10:28,879
you have my call collect.
1157
01:10:28,914 --> 01:10:30,398
- All right.
- Goodbye.
1158
01:10:44,343 --> 01:10:46,794
- Increasingly now, Americans
are functioning directly
1159
01:10:46,828 --> 01:10:48,244
in the fight for freedom
1160
01:10:48,278 --> 01:10:50,418
on this far forlorn
corner of the earth.
1161
01:10:53,939 --> 01:10:55,458
The risks are real.
1162
01:10:58,599 --> 01:11:01,360
- We intend to
convince the communists
1163
01:11:03,051 --> 01:11:06,883
that we cannot be
defeated by force of arms
1164
01:11:07,711 --> 01:11:09,955
or by superior power.
1165
01:11:11,336 --> 01:11:13,130
They're not easily convinced.
1166
01:11:14,339 --> 01:11:16,410
- When
Martin Luther King Jr.
1167
01:11:16,444 --> 01:11:19,413
first speaks out publicly
against the Vietnam war
1168
01:11:19,447 --> 01:11:21,760
in August, 1965,
1169
01:11:21,794 --> 01:11:24,176
he quite quickly is
forced back into line
1170
01:11:24,210 --> 01:11:27,283
by hostile criticism
directed at him
1171
01:11:27,317 --> 01:11:29,768
by democratic allies
of President Johnson.
1172
01:11:29,802 --> 01:11:32,149
- We will not be forced
out of South Vietnam.
1173
01:11:33,806 --> 01:11:37,534
- And so King then
remains silent about Vietnam,
1174
01:11:37,569 --> 01:11:39,260
for almost 18 months.
1175
01:11:41,918 --> 01:11:44,886
- During our tour in
the Republic of Vietnam,
1176
01:11:44,921 --> 01:11:47,510
we have all seen
what communism can do
1177
01:11:47,544 --> 01:11:50,306
to a struggling nation
in our world community.
1178
01:11:53,550 --> 01:11:57,968
- When King is on his
way to Jamaica in early 1967,
1179
01:11:58,003 --> 01:11:59,970
and while waiting for a flight,
1180
01:12:00,005 --> 01:12:03,249
he buys some magazines
in an airport gift shop.
1181
01:12:03,284 --> 01:12:05,804
And in an issue of
Ramparts magazine,
1182
01:12:05,838 --> 01:12:09,463
he sees a whole series of
photos about the impact
1183
01:12:09,497 --> 01:12:14,191
of US Air Force napalm bombing
on Vietnamese civilians.
1184
01:12:28,274 --> 01:12:30,898
Non-violence for
King was not simply
1185
01:12:30,932 --> 01:12:33,556
a civil rights protest tactic.
1186
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:38,250
King believed that nonviolence
was a Christian ethic
1187
01:12:38,284 --> 01:12:42,012
that should be applied
around the world,
1188
01:12:42,047 --> 01:12:45,637
not just by Black demonstrators.
1189
01:12:49,123 --> 01:12:50,055
- Let us pray.
1190
01:12:52,644 --> 01:12:55,854
- Only in early
1967 does King's conscience
1191
01:12:55,888 --> 01:13:00,134
begin to so trouble him
about his prolonged silence,
1192
01:13:00,168 --> 01:13:03,102
that he forces himself
to go public once again,
1193
01:13:03,137 --> 01:13:06,451
knowing full well
that in doing so,
1194
01:13:06,485 --> 01:13:09,971
it will break his political
alliance with Lyndon Johnson,
1195
01:13:10,006 --> 01:13:12,111
and bring down very widespread
1196
01:13:12,146 --> 01:13:14,251
political criticism on his head.
1197
01:13:22,743 --> 01:13:26,471
- And of course, it's always
good to come back to Riverside.
1198
01:13:31,993 --> 01:13:33,719
- The worst press
1199
01:13:33,754 --> 01:13:36,550
that Martin Luther
King received, I
think in his lifetime,
1200
01:13:36,584 --> 01:13:40,036
was exactly one year
before his assassination.
1201
01:13:42,279 --> 01:13:48,424
- I come to this magnificent
house of worship tonight,
1202
01:13:48,458 --> 01:13:52,876
because my conscience
leaves me no other choice.
1203
01:13:55,292 --> 01:14:01,367
A time comes when
silence is betrayal.
1204
01:14:01,402 --> 01:14:05,786
And that time has come for
us, in relation to Vietnam.
1205
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:12,586
- He
reminded President
Johnson, he could count.
1206
01:14:12,620 --> 01:14:15,105
- How was there gonna be any
money for the war on poverty
1207
01:14:15,140 --> 01:14:16,452
when all the money
1208
01:14:16,486 --> 01:14:18,177
that was being set aside
for the war on poverty
1209
01:14:18,212 --> 01:14:21,940
was being spent to build bombs?
1210
01:14:21,974 --> 01:14:24,943
- You know, America
is a rich nation.
1211
01:14:24,977 --> 01:14:28,671
The richest nation
on the face of earth.
1212
01:14:28,705 --> 01:14:31,121
Now, you know what's wrong?
1213
01:14:31,156 --> 01:14:33,641
Our national priorities
are mixed up.
1214
01:14:36,092 --> 01:14:42,616
And I'm afraid the national
administration of our country
1215
01:14:42,650 --> 01:14:45,239
is more concerned about
winning the war in Vietnam
1216
01:14:45,273 --> 01:14:46,965
than winning the
war against poverty
1217
01:14:46,999 --> 01:14:49,312
right here in the United States.
1218
01:14:50,831 --> 01:14:53,558
- He was attacked
from coast to coast,
1219
01:14:53,592 --> 01:14:58,321
simply from describing
the world as it really is.
1220
01:15:01,358 --> 01:15:03,533
And this was not the
racist Southern press.
1221
01:15:03,568 --> 01:15:06,640
This was the New York Times
and the Washington Post
1222
01:15:06,674 --> 01:15:09,505
and the LA Times, and you know?
1223
01:15:09,539 --> 01:15:14,199
I mean, everybody blasted
him for having an opinion.
1224
01:15:17,374 --> 01:15:19,998
- King went to communist
training school,
1225
01:15:20,032 --> 01:15:22,656
and I don't want anything
to do with communists.
1226
01:15:22,690 --> 01:15:24,830
- Are you sure of this?
1227
01:15:24,865 --> 01:15:26,487
- Look right here.
1228
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:30,905
- Is that your only proof?
1229
01:15:30,940 --> 01:15:34,219
- We have proof, and we are
satisfied that it's true proof.
1230
01:15:35,876 --> 01:15:38,534
- When he publicly
spoke out against the war,
1231
01:15:38,568 --> 01:15:42,020
the persons he had known
and been close to for years,
1232
01:15:42,054 --> 01:15:43,193
turned against him.
1233
01:15:43,228 --> 01:15:44,678
- And we don't see any reason
1234
01:15:44,712 --> 01:15:46,300
for downgrading civil rights
1235
01:15:46,334 --> 01:15:49,372
and elevating the peace
movement above it,
1236
01:15:49,406 --> 01:15:52,789
especially the indignities
our people are suffering.
1237
01:15:52,824 --> 01:15:55,412
The main show for us is right
here, it's civil rights.
1238
01:15:57,345 --> 01:16:00,556
- Yeah, he was
hurting and depressed,
1239
01:16:00,590 --> 01:16:02,212
and he is, you know,
the pressure of the home
1240
01:16:02,247 --> 01:16:04,007
and his marriage and so forth.
1241
01:16:05,008 --> 01:16:07,183
You know, it was getting to him.
1242
01:16:09,426 --> 01:16:12,947
- It wasn't that
he was right or wrong.
1243
01:16:12,982 --> 01:16:16,572
He didn't have any business
having an opinion.
1244
01:16:16,606 --> 01:16:17,883
see?
1245
01:16:17,918 --> 01:16:20,265
He realized how sick
this country was,
1246
01:16:21,749 --> 01:16:24,580
and he felt that he
couldn't slow down
1247
01:16:24,614 --> 01:16:27,306
and he had the
push on regardless.
1248
01:16:30,689 --> 01:16:33,899
- I weighed the criticisms
that I would get.
1249
01:16:33,934 --> 01:16:35,487
I thought about even the fact
1250
01:16:35,521 --> 01:16:37,593
that some Negroes
wouldn't understand,
1251
01:16:37,627 --> 01:16:41,597
and some respectable
Negro leaders
1252
01:16:41,631 --> 01:16:42,908
who are more concerned
1253
01:16:42,943 --> 01:16:45,739
about being invited
to the White House
1254
01:16:45,773 --> 01:16:50,364
than invited to the calls of
justice would be against me.
1255
01:17:00,374 --> 01:17:02,445
- In the
wake of Dr. King's
1256
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:04,550
Riverside Church speech,
1257
01:17:04,585 --> 01:17:07,174
Lyndon Johnson's White House,
1258
01:17:07,208 --> 01:17:10,936
very explicitly identifies King
1259
01:17:10,971 --> 01:17:17,460
as a major threat to the
president's policies.
1260
01:17:17,494 --> 01:17:20,946
- I'm convinced that it will
lead to widespread discontent
1261
01:17:20,981 --> 01:17:22,361
and disenchantment
with administration
1262
01:17:22,396 --> 01:17:25,641
if there isn't a
change in the policy,
1263
01:17:25,675 --> 01:17:28,402
and an all out effort
to deescalate the war
1264
01:17:28,436 --> 01:17:30,335
and bring an end to it.
1265
01:17:40,690 --> 01:17:42,071
- Stick
with civil rights.
1266
01:17:42,105 --> 01:17:44,383
Leave the war to the generals.
1267
01:17:46,834 --> 01:17:49,492
- Now, Lyndon
Johnson's White House
1268
01:17:49,526 --> 01:17:53,738
had always been
privy to the FBI's
1269
01:17:53,772 --> 01:17:58,156
sexual surveillance of Dr. King.
1270
01:17:58,190 --> 01:18:03,506
But now, Lyndon Johnson comes
to view Martin Luther King
1271
01:18:03,540 --> 01:18:04,369
as an enemy.
1272
01:18:05,646 --> 01:18:11,514
And the FBI is
eager to strengthen
1273
01:18:11,548 --> 01:18:14,344
its own relationship
with president Johnson,
1274
01:18:14,379 --> 01:18:19,315
by jumping on this anti-King
bandwagon with greater fervor.
1275
01:18:22,559 --> 01:18:24,527
- I just got word
that Martin Luther King
1276
01:18:24,561 --> 01:18:25,631
will give a press conference
1277
01:18:25,666 --> 01:18:28,842
at 11 o'clock this
morning in Atlanta.
1278
01:18:28,876 --> 01:18:31,430
King was told by Levison,
1279
01:18:31,465 --> 01:18:33,467
who is his principal advisor,
1280
01:18:33,501 --> 01:18:35,365
and who is a secret communist,
1281
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:36,850
that he has more
to gain nationally
1282
01:18:36,884 --> 01:18:38,472
by agreeing with the violence
1283
01:18:38,506 --> 01:18:41,544
that is coming out against it.
1284
01:18:41,578 --> 01:18:42,856
That's the substance
of information.
1285
01:18:42,890 --> 01:18:44,443
We've got that
highly confidentially
1286
01:18:44,478 --> 01:18:45,444
over the technicals.
1287
01:18:46,756 --> 01:18:48,309
Well, I'll have for you tomorrow
1288
01:18:48,344 --> 01:18:50,726
that memorandum you want on
all the riots in the country.
1289
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:52,037
- That's right,
1290
01:18:52,072 --> 01:18:53,383
and I want you to
keep your men busy
1291
01:18:53,418 --> 01:18:54,557
to find a central connection.
1292
01:18:54,591 --> 01:18:56,386
I wouldn't be a
damn bit surprised
1293
01:18:56,421 --> 01:18:58,112
that this poverty group here
1294
01:18:58,147 --> 01:18:59,735
is not stirring up some of this.
1295
01:18:59,769 --> 01:19:00,943
- We'll dig into
that very thoroughly.
1296
01:19:00,977 --> 01:19:02,220
- Okay.
1297
01:19:02,254 --> 01:19:03,117
- Fine, thank
you, Mr. President.
1298
01:19:06,500 --> 01:19:08,226
- So many
resources are mobilized
1299
01:19:08,260 --> 01:19:11,747
against suppressing
dissent in the U. S.
1300
01:19:14,094 --> 01:19:16,786
The FBI has done
extensive surveillance
1301
01:19:16,821 --> 01:19:19,237
of all kinds of
Black organizations.
1302
01:19:19,271 --> 01:19:21,239
- Don't be afraid.
Don't be ashamed.
1303
01:19:21,273 --> 01:19:22,585
We want Black power.
1304
01:19:22,619 --> 01:19:23,586
Black power!
1305
01:19:23,620 --> 01:19:24,760
- We want Black power.
1306
01:19:24,794 --> 01:19:25,761
- Black power!
1307
01:19:25,795 --> 01:19:26,796
- We want Black power.
1308
01:19:26,831 --> 01:19:27,659
- Black power!
1309
01:19:27,693 --> 01:19:29,005
- We want Black power.
1310
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:30,524
- When you look
at the social movements
1311
01:19:30,558 --> 01:19:32,526
from the point of view of
these law enforcement agencies,
1312
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,493
it looks very different.
1313
01:19:34,528 --> 01:19:38,256
- We stand on the eve of a
Black revolution, brothers.
1314
01:19:38,290 --> 01:19:39,705
Masses of our people
are in the streets.
1315
01:19:39,740 --> 01:19:42,156
They're fighting tit-for-tat,
1316
01:19:42,191 --> 01:19:46,782
tooth for tooth, an eye for
an eye and a life for a life.
1317
01:19:46,816 --> 01:19:50,095
The rebellions that we see
are merely dress rehearsals
1318
01:19:50,130 --> 01:19:52,339
for the revolution
that's to come.
1319
01:19:52,373 --> 01:19:55,998
We better get ourselves some
guns and prepare ourselves.
1320
01:19:56,032 --> 01:19:58,621
- The Bureau was
of course anticommunist,
1321
01:19:58,655 --> 01:20:00,865
but I'd say it's most
consistent campaigns
1322
01:20:00,899 --> 01:20:02,763
were against Black people.
1323
01:20:05,214 --> 01:20:08,562
Whether it's William
Sullivan or J. Edgar Hoover,
1324
01:20:08,596 --> 01:20:10,460
the policy was consistent.
1325
01:20:10,495 --> 01:20:12,462
They saw African Americans as,
1326
01:20:12,497 --> 01:20:13,809
you know, J. Edgar Hoover
1327
01:20:13,843 --> 01:20:15,465
has said about the
Black Panther Party,
1328
01:20:15,500 --> 01:20:16,812
that they were the
greatest threat
1329
01:20:16,846 --> 01:20:18,537
to the internal security
of the United States.
1330
01:20:21,886 --> 01:20:24,958
- The use of informants has
existed for years and years
1331
01:20:24,992 --> 01:20:26,407
by law enforcement agencies.
1332
01:20:26,442 --> 01:20:28,754
You even find reference
to it in the Bible.
1333
01:20:28,789 --> 01:20:30,826
In the time of Moses.
1334
01:20:30,860 --> 01:20:33,967
Certainly you cannot expect
to be able to penetrate
1335
01:20:34,001 --> 01:20:36,210
the secret, conspiratorial
organizations
1336
01:20:36,245 --> 01:20:39,835
without using secret agents.
1337
01:20:39,869 --> 01:20:43,045
- There were
FBI informants in
most domestic groups
1338
01:20:43,079 --> 01:20:44,667
in the United States.
1339
01:20:44,701 --> 01:20:46,393
That was the only way
you can investigate them,
1340
01:20:46,427 --> 01:20:48,257
especially if they were
Black organizations.
1341
01:20:48,291 --> 01:20:50,984
You know, we didn't have that
many Black agents back then,
1342
01:20:51,018 --> 01:20:53,779
so you had to have individuals
inside that organization
1343
01:20:53,814 --> 01:20:55,781
to get inside information.
1344
01:20:55,816 --> 01:20:57,197
It was just, you had to.
1345
01:20:59,889 --> 01:21:01,995
- The general strategy
of intelligence services
1346
01:21:02,029 --> 01:21:03,789
is that they use surveillance
in order to figure out
1347
01:21:03,824 --> 01:21:07,345
how to break apart
these organizations.
1348
01:21:07,379 --> 01:21:09,519
So it's not just surveillance
for surveillance sake.
1349
01:21:09,554 --> 01:21:12,108
It is to observe
the organizations
1350
01:21:12,143 --> 01:21:14,697
to figure out what their
points of vulnerability are,
1351
01:21:14,731 --> 01:21:17,769
and then purposely insert
people into those conflicts.
1352
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:22,463
- It's in the
late 1950s that the FBI
1353
01:21:22,498 --> 01:21:26,467
founds this super secret
program, COINTELPRO,
1354
01:21:26,502 --> 01:21:28,538
counter-intelligence program,
1355
01:21:28,573 --> 01:21:31,265
that allows them not just
to conduct surveillance,
1356
01:21:31,300 --> 01:21:35,131
but to begin to disrupt the
organizations quite explicitly.
1357
01:21:35,166 --> 01:21:37,444
Spread rumors within
the organization,
1358
01:21:37,478 --> 01:21:39,722
foment violence, et cetera.
1359
01:21:39,756 --> 01:21:41,137
- You have
to be astonished
1360
01:21:41,172 --> 01:21:43,381
just at the number of
sources that they had.
1361
01:21:43,415 --> 01:21:45,728
When you look through
these FBI reports,
1362
01:21:45,762 --> 01:21:48,386
I mean, they've got scores
and scores of people.
1363
01:21:48,420 --> 01:21:51,389
Ernest Withers was probably
the most successful
1364
01:21:51,423 --> 01:21:53,909
civil rights photographer
you never heard of.
1365
01:21:53,943 --> 01:21:55,565
He was very much
a movement insider
1366
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:57,740
and covered the
civil rights movement
1367
01:21:57,774 --> 01:22:00,329
from its very dawn.
1368
01:22:00,363 --> 01:22:04,402
He shot a very monumental
picture of Dr. King on the bus
1369
01:22:04,436 --> 01:22:06,749
at the end of the
Montgomery bus boycott.
1370
01:22:06,783 --> 01:22:08,061
You know, a very radical,
1371
01:22:08,095 --> 01:22:09,821
revolutionary moment
in American history,
1372
01:22:09,855 --> 01:22:12,928
and Ernest Withers was right
there in the middle of it.
1373
01:22:12,962 --> 01:22:14,515
Ernest had a completely
different side to him
1374
01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:16,241
that no one knew about,
1375
01:22:16,276 --> 01:22:18,864
and that was that he doubled
as an informant for the FBI
1376
01:22:18,899 --> 01:22:21,626
for as many as 18 years.
1377
01:22:23,628 --> 01:22:25,768
- We had an
informant in our office.
1378
01:22:25,802 --> 01:22:27,080
- James Harrison?
1379
01:22:27,114 --> 01:22:29,323
- I'm not
calling the names.
1380
01:22:31,222 --> 01:22:34,673
- Jim Harrison
is a paid FBI informant
1381
01:22:34,708 --> 01:22:37,607
in SCLC's office
1382
01:22:37,642 --> 01:22:40,748
sitting a few yards from
Martin Luther King, Jr..
1383
01:22:42,371 --> 01:22:44,097
Having someone like Harrison,
1384
01:22:44,131 --> 01:22:47,790
would allow for a very
efficient daily reporting
1385
01:22:47,824 --> 01:22:50,275
on where's King
gonna be traveling,
1386
01:22:50,310 --> 01:22:51,794
what's he gonna be doing?
1387
01:22:51,828 --> 01:22:54,659
What are people in the
office concerned about?
1388
01:22:56,764 --> 01:22:59,353
- I did not know
1389
01:22:59,388 --> 01:23:02,460
that he was in fact,
an FBI informant.
1390
01:23:02,494 --> 01:23:04,807
I did not know in fact,
1391
01:23:04,841 --> 01:23:07,465
but I believed that he was.
1392
01:23:07,499 --> 01:23:10,054
And I tried to counsel Martin,
1393
01:23:10,088 --> 01:23:12,608
to don't let him know more
than he needs to know.
1394
01:23:14,334 --> 01:23:17,130
- We now know
that Harrison had worked
1395
01:23:17,164 --> 01:23:21,479
as an informant for the
FBI in two other cities.
1396
01:23:21,513 --> 01:23:24,930
It seems beyond a
possible coincidence
1397
01:23:24,965 --> 01:23:26,656
that he moves to Atlanta
1398
01:23:26,691 --> 01:23:30,246
and volunteers to work at SCLC
1399
01:23:30,281 --> 01:23:34,630
without some suggestion or
instruction from the FBI.
1400
01:23:37,046 --> 01:23:40,049
- It's not
really that surprising,
1401
01:23:40,084 --> 01:23:43,949
knowing now what we know
about what the FBI was doing.
1402
01:23:43,984 --> 01:23:46,952
Anybody who was to the
left of mainstream,
1403
01:23:46,987 --> 01:23:49,852
anyone who supported
the anti-war movement,
1404
01:23:49,886 --> 01:23:55,513
anyone who got what
they considered
militant in civil rights
1405
01:23:55,547 --> 01:23:56,686
was deemed a subversive.
1406
01:23:56,721 --> 01:23:59,172
And they were keeping
files on them.
1407
01:23:59,206 --> 01:24:01,001
They were running a
surveillance state.
1408
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:12,530
- This is where it
began, the rural South.
1409
01:24:12,564 --> 01:24:14,049
And here where it began,
1410
01:24:14,083 --> 01:24:16,637
for the Negro, the
problem remains.
1411
01:24:16,672 --> 01:24:19,640
There's no ghetto
here, just poverty.
1412
01:24:19,675 --> 01:24:21,470
The worst kind of poverty.
1413
01:24:21,504 --> 01:24:23,472
The kind of poverty
that makes you wonder,
1414
01:24:23,506 --> 01:24:25,612
can this be the United
States of America,
1415
01:24:25,646 --> 01:24:30,203
the richest country in the
world in the year 1967?
1416
01:24:30,237 --> 01:24:32,446
It is not just material poverty,
1417
01:24:32,481 --> 01:24:34,793
there is also a
poverty of the spirit.
1418
01:24:38,832 --> 01:24:40,385
- What is it about the Negro?
1419
01:24:40,420 --> 01:24:45,010
I mean, every other group that
came as an immigrant somehow,
1420
01:24:45,045 --> 01:24:47,806
not easily, but
somehow got around it.
1421
01:24:47,841 --> 01:24:49,946
Is it just the fact that
the Negroes are Black?
1422
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:52,811
- The fact is that the Negro
1423
01:24:52,846 --> 01:24:57,402
was a slave in this
country for 244 years.
1424
01:24:57,437 --> 01:25:00,750
That led to the
thingification of the Negro.
1425
01:25:00,785 --> 01:25:03,098
So he was not looked
upon as a person,
1426
01:25:03,132 --> 01:25:05,997
he was not looked
upon as a human being
1427
01:25:06,031 --> 01:25:10,001
with the same status and
worth as other human beings.
1428
01:25:10,035 --> 01:25:14,143
And it seems to me that
White America must see
1429
01:25:14,178 --> 01:25:16,663
that no other ethnic group
1430
01:25:16,697 --> 01:25:19,873
has been a slave
on American soil.
1431
01:25:19,907 --> 01:25:21,771
And so emancipation
for the Negro
1432
01:25:21,806 --> 01:25:24,119
was really freedom to hunger.
1433
01:25:24,153 --> 01:25:27,156
It was freedom to the
winds and rains of heaven.
1434
01:25:27,191 --> 01:25:29,952
It was freedom without food,
deed, a land to cultivate,
1435
01:25:29,986 --> 01:25:32,955
and therefore it was freedom
and famine at the same time.
1436
01:25:32,989 --> 01:25:35,130
And when White
Americans tell the Negro
1437
01:25:35,164 --> 01:25:38,029
to lift themselves by
his own bootstraps,
1438
01:25:38,063 --> 01:25:42,275
they don't look over the legacy
of slavery and segregation.
1439
01:25:42,309 --> 01:25:45,450
I believe we ought
to do all we can,
1440
01:25:45,485 --> 01:25:47,866
and seek to lift ourselves
by our own bootstraps,
1441
01:25:47,901 --> 01:25:51,629
but it's a cruel jest
to say to a bootless man
1442
01:25:51,663 --> 01:25:54,114
that he ought to lift himself
by his own bootstraps.
1443
01:26:03,503 --> 01:26:05,470
- King is
deeply pessimistic
1444
01:26:05,505 --> 01:26:09,302
that America will ever undertake
1445
01:26:09,336 --> 01:26:13,202
the pursuit of real
equality for Black people.
1446
01:26:13,237 --> 01:26:15,100
- Ladies and gentlemen
of the press,
1447
01:26:15,135 --> 01:26:18,207
I'm gonna read an
opening statement.
1448
01:26:18,242 --> 01:26:21,383
- And that leads
him to announce the idea
1449
01:26:21,417 --> 01:26:26,008
of holding a poor people's
campaign in Washington,
1450
01:26:26,042 --> 01:26:29,184
in the spring of 1968.
1451
01:26:29,218 --> 01:26:31,255
- The Southern Christian
Leadership Conference
1452
01:26:31,289 --> 01:26:35,983
will lead waves of the
nation's poor and disinherited
1453
01:26:37,053 --> 01:26:40,850
to Washington D. C. next spring
1454
01:26:40,885 --> 01:26:43,853
do demand redress of grievances
1455
01:26:43,888 --> 01:26:46,511
by the United States government.
1456
01:26:46,546 --> 01:26:51,033
We will go there, we
will demand to be heard,
1457
01:26:51,067 --> 01:26:55,520
and we will stay until
America responds.
1458
01:26:55,555 --> 01:26:59,144
- The FBI was
deeply alarmed by these plans.
1459
01:26:59,179 --> 01:27:01,250
For Hoover, you know,
this was his home turf.
1460
01:27:01,285 --> 01:27:05,875
But they're also very concerned
about the kind of conflict
1461
01:27:05,910 --> 01:27:08,119
that might emerge out of this.
1462
01:27:08,153 --> 01:27:11,122
They thought it could
be a significant threat
1463
01:27:11,156 --> 01:27:12,951
to the national
Capitol in particular.
1464
01:27:15,022 --> 01:27:17,301
- Powerful poor people,
1465
01:27:17,335 --> 01:27:22,029
well really means having the
ability, the togetherness,
1466
01:27:24,342 --> 01:27:28,070
the assertiveness and
the aggressiveness
1467
01:27:28,104 --> 01:27:34,179
to make the power structure
of this nation say, yes,
1468
01:27:34,214 --> 01:27:36,941
when they may be
desirous of saying, no.
1469
01:27:37,873 --> 01:27:40,185
Black people, Mexican Americans,
1470
01:27:40,220 --> 01:27:44,845
American Indians, Puerto
Ricans, Appalachian Whites,
1471
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:49,781
all working together to
solve the problem of poverty.
1472
01:28:00,792 --> 01:28:04,934
- It bears emphasis
that William Sullivan,
1473
01:28:04,969 --> 01:28:08,006
the head of American
Domestic Intelligence,
1474
01:28:08,041 --> 01:28:11,596
in late March of 1968,
1475
01:28:11,631 --> 01:28:16,498
begins revising and expanding
the FBI's primary document
1476
01:28:17,982 --> 01:28:21,296
to indict Dr. King.
1477
01:28:21,330 --> 01:28:24,437
And chooses to add
for the first time,
1478
01:28:24,471 --> 01:28:28,130
the rape participation
allegation
1479
01:28:28,164 --> 01:28:30,408
to his revision
of this document.
1480
01:28:35,102 --> 01:28:38,451
- It's unclear how
much we're ever going to know
1481
01:28:38,485 --> 01:28:44,733
about any particular incident
in Kings sexual history,
1482
01:28:44,767 --> 01:28:48,323
particularly the most explosive
allegation that's been made.
1483
01:28:50,117 --> 01:28:53,258
- Handwritten
annotations on this document,
1484
01:28:53,293 --> 01:28:56,641
alleged that King was
present at the rape
1485
01:28:56,676 --> 01:29:01,094
of a black female parishioner
by a Baltimore minister,
1486
01:29:01,128 --> 01:29:04,994
and that he "Looked
on and laughed."
1487
01:29:05,029 --> 01:29:07,411
I have many, many
questions about this.
1488
01:29:07,445 --> 01:29:09,896
It's supposed to
be an audio tape,
1489
01:29:09,930 --> 01:29:12,174
but concluded within
this document,
1490
01:29:12,208 --> 01:29:15,108
is the assertion
that King looked on,
1491
01:29:15,142 --> 01:29:17,386
which I thought was strange.
1492
01:29:17,421 --> 01:29:19,975
That in itself to me
was a huge red flag.
1493
01:29:21,701 --> 01:29:25,394
- The agents who were
listening in in live time,
1494
01:29:25,429 --> 01:29:28,673
in a room right next door to
where this was taking place,
1495
01:29:28,708 --> 01:29:30,261
did nothing.
1496
01:29:30,295 --> 01:29:34,092
Their focus was on gaining
embarrassing material.
1497
01:29:38,303 --> 01:29:40,133
- We are
gonna have to not assume
1498
01:29:40,167 --> 01:29:42,791
that everything that's said
in those documents is true.
1499
01:29:42,825 --> 01:29:44,379
I think also not
assume that everything
1500
01:29:44,413 --> 01:29:46,760
that's said in those
documents is false.
1501
01:29:48,486 --> 01:29:50,385
And I also think that
we have to understand
1502
01:29:50,419 --> 01:29:52,939
that FBI agents were making
1503
01:29:52,973 --> 01:29:55,390
their own very
subjective judgements
1504
01:29:55,424 --> 01:29:59,463
about what's actually happening.
1505
01:29:59,497 --> 01:30:00,981
- One of the things
I was really struck by this
1506
01:30:01,016 --> 01:30:03,812
is how much it adheres
to J. Edgar Hoover
1507
01:30:03,846 --> 01:30:05,054
and William C. Sullivan
1508
01:30:05,089 --> 01:30:07,919
and the FBI's
representations of King.
1509
01:30:09,196 --> 01:30:11,475
The agents were really rewarded
1510
01:30:11,509 --> 01:30:13,442
for finding this
kind of material
1511
01:30:13,477 --> 01:30:16,065
that would undermine the
civil rights movement
1512
01:30:16,100 --> 01:30:19,310
and other Black organizations.
1513
01:30:19,344 --> 01:30:21,795
And so in some ways, it
provides this grand narrative
1514
01:30:21,830 --> 01:30:24,073
that has this allegedly
big revelation
1515
01:30:24,108 --> 01:30:26,766
in the context of this
larger life of misconduct.
1516
01:30:30,770 --> 01:30:34,083
- Sullivan is updating
and expanding this document,
1517
01:30:34,118 --> 01:30:36,741
because of the political threat
1518
01:30:36,776 --> 01:30:39,088
to the Johnson administration
1519
01:30:39,123 --> 01:30:42,540
that this Poor People's
Campaign represents.
1520
01:30:44,473 --> 01:30:49,133
All of a sudden, Sullivan's
work on this revision halts.
1521
01:30:50,859 --> 01:30:53,068
And it halts because
Dr. King is murdered.
1522
01:31:02,249 --> 01:31:03,872
- The night
before his assassination,
1523
01:31:03,906 --> 01:31:07,289
King gave one of the
most remarkable speeches
1524
01:31:07,323 --> 01:31:09,187
of his whole career.
1525
01:31:11,638 --> 01:31:14,296
One of the themes was the idea
1526
01:31:14,330 --> 01:31:17,161
that protest itself
was really in peril.
1527
01:31:20,578 --> 01:31:23,685
You were seeing crackdowns
all across the country
1528
01:31:23,719 --> 01:31:26,619
increasing concerns
about violence,
1529
01:31:26,653 --> 01:31:30,381
and he was really making
a claim that in Memphis,
1530
01:31:30,415 --> 01:31:32,728
it wasn't just the
rights of workers,
1531
01:31:32,763 --> 01:31:35,248
it wasn't just racial
justice that was on the line,
1532
01:31:35,282 --> 01:31:37,802
but it was also the
right to speech,
1533
01:31:37,837 --> 01:31:40,115
the right to protest, the
First Amendment itself.
1534
01:31:42,186 --> 01:31:45,154
- If I lived in
China or even Russia,
1535
01:31:45,189 --> 01:31:47,363
or any totalitarian country,
1536
01:31:48,848 --> 01:31:51,506
Maybe I could
understand the denial
1537
01:31:51,540 --> 01:31:54,647
of certain basic First
Amendment privileges,
1538
01:31:54,681 --> 01:31:59,410
because they hadn't committed
themselves to that over there.
1539
01:31:59,444 --> 01:32:04,415
But somewhere I read of
the freedom of assembly.
1540
01:32:04,449 --> 01:32:08,350
Somewhere I read of
the freedom of speech.
1541
01:32:08,384 --> 01:32:12,354
Somewhere I read of
the freedom of press.
1542
01:32:12,388 --> 01:32:16,358
Somewhere I read that
the greatness of America
1543
01:32:16,392 --> 01:32:19,395
is the right to
protest for right.
1544
01:32:31,407 --> 01:32:32,788
- Good evening.
1545
01:32:32,823 --> 01:32:35,273
The Reverend Dr. Martin
Luther King, 39 years old,
1546
01:32:35,308 --> 01:32:36,861
and a Nobel Peace Prize winner,
1547
01:32:36,896 --> 01:32:38,553
and the leader of the nonviolent
1548
01:32:38,587 --> 01:32:40,451
civil rights movement
in the United States
1549
01:32:40,485 --> 01:32:43,143
was assassinated
in Memphis tonight.
1550
01:32:43,178 --> 01:32:45,387
A sniper's bullet
cut down Dr. King,
1551
01:32:45,421 --> 01:32:49,564
as he stood on a hotel
balcony in Memphis.
1552
01:32:49,598 --> 01:32:51,945
- The special bulletin
phrased on the television
1553
01:32:51,980 --> 01:32:54,603
that Dr. King had been shot.
1554
01:32:54,638 --> 01:32:58,193
And I just stood there,
you know, a long time.
1555
01:32:59,643 --> 01:33:02,473
And then little while later,
1556
01:33:02,507 --> 01:33:04,268
they said Dr. King was dead.
1557
01:33:06,684 --> 01:33:10,654
And I was angry.
1558
01:33:10,688 --> 01:33:12,966
There was a whole lot of
other people who were angry.
1559
01:33:15,555 --> 01:33:16,832
- We are very upset today,
1560
01:33:16,867 --> 01:33:18,351
because we've lost
in our generation,
1561
01:33:18,385 --> 01:33:20,318
somebody like a father.
1562
01:33:20,353 --> 01:33:23,494
In our lifetimes,
people 25 and 26,
1563
01:33:23,528 --> 01:33:25,669
he's the first major
man we ever saw
1564
01:33:25,703 --> 01:33:28,257
who started a bus ride
and everything like that.
1565
01:33:28,292 --> 01:33:30,156
And today, many people
are out here on the street
1566
01:33:30,190 --> 01:33:32,020
wondering which way
they're going to turn,
1567
01:33:32,054 --> 01:33:33,849
because we don't know
where we're going to go.
1568
01:33:33,884 --> 01:33:36,093
Do we go to the right,
do we go to the left?
1569
01:33:36,127 --> 01:33:37,128
We're not sure today.
1570
01:33:40,649 --> 01:33:43,445
- I don't think
the FBI had a deep interest
1571
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:44,515
in protecting King.
1572
01:33:44,549 --> 01:33:46,828
In fact, there are many moments
1573
01:33:46,862 --> 01:33:50,038
in which the FBI refused to act
1574
01:33:50,072 --> 01:33:53,869
in a kind of bodyguard capacity
or even a warning capacity
1575
01:33:53,904 --> 01:33:55,837
when King was under threat.
1576
01:33:57,562 --> 01:33:59,944
In the end, after Hoover felt
1577
01:33:59,979 --> 01:34:03,672
that he was under
enormous pressure,
1578
01:34:03,707 --> 01:34:07,676
the FBI did conduct a
pretty decent, wide-ranging,
1579
01:34:07,711 --> 01:34:11,646
incredibly labor
intensive investigation
1580
01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:16,616
to find someone who was involved
in King's assassination.
1581
01:34:18,342 --> 01:34:20,240
- The man named
as James Earl Ray
1582
01:34:20,275 --> 01:34:22,139
was arrested at quarter
past 11 this morning
1583
01:34:22,173 --> 01:34:23,796
by two Scotland Yard detectives
1584
01:34:23,830 --> 01:34:25,970
as he passed through the
British immigration offices
1585
01:34:26,005 --> 01:34:27,592
for a flight to Brussels.
1586
01:34:27,627 --> 01:34:29,146
An announcement
1587
01:34:29,180 --> 01:34:31,044
by the American FBI
Director, J. Edgar Hoover,
1588
01:34:31,079 --> 01:34:33,495
said the man was fully
armed with a loaded pistol,
1589
01:34:33,529 --> 01:34:35,324
and he carried two
Canadian passports
1590
01:34:35,359 --> 01:34:37,326
and a false name.
1591
01:34:37,361 --> 01:34:39,570
- I think
once they understood
1592
01:34:39,604 --> 01:34:42,504
that the FBI's
investigative reputation
1593
01:34:42,538 --> 01:34:44,506
was gonna be at
stake in this case,
1594
01:34:44,540 --> 01:34:46,163
they poured enormous resources
1595
01:34:46,197 --> 01:34:48,752
to try and to bring
that case home.
1596
01:34:48,786 --> 01:34:50,408
- Ray's
life and civil rights
1597
01:34:50,443 --> 01:34:52,341
were being guarded more closely
1598
01:34:52,376 --> 01:34:54,274
than those of
Martin Luther King,
1599
01:34:54,309 --> 01:34:56,069
whom Ray is accused
of murdering.
1600
01:34:58,278 --> 01:35:01,765
- I was amazed that with
the surveillance by the FBI,
1601
01:35:01,799 --> 01:35:05,354
24/7 around Dr.
King and the SCLC,
1602
01:35:05,389 --> 01:35:07,909
that they wouldn't be
aware of James Earl Ray
1603
01:35:07,943 --> 01:35:09,324
and the Lorraine Motel.
1604
01:35:11,395 --> 01:35:13,362
- I don't think James Earl Ray
1605
01:35:13,397 --> 01:35:16,469
had anything to do with
Dr. King's assassination.
1606
01:35:16,503 --> 01:35:18,057
So I can't really
comment on that.
1607
01:35:19,644 --> 01:35:21,198
- The
assassination of King
1608
01:35:21,232 --> 01:35:22,855
and the fact that we were
doing surveillance that day
1609
01:35:22,889 --> 01:35:25,098
when he was shot,
1610
01:35:25,133 --> 01:35:26,548
it's always been in the
back of your mind going,
1611
01:35:26,582 --> 01:35:28,205
you know, did we not know this?
1612
01:35:28,239 --> 01:35:30,034
Could we not prevent this?
1613
01:35:30,069 --> 01:35:32,796
I didn't hear anything
that would indicate
1614
01:35:32,830 --> 01:35:36,316
that headquarters knew and
chose not to do anything.
1615
01:35:36,351 --> 01:35:38,146
I'd never saw that,
I never heard that,
1616
01:35:38,180 --> 01:35:40,389
but it was a question
everybody had,
1617
01:35:40,424 --> 01:35:41,977
because it was a
legitimate question.
1618
01:35:42,012 --> 01:35:44,359
You know, why did we not
intercede if we were there?
1619
01:35:48,432 --> 01:35:50,503
- This was an emotional,
1620
01:35:50,537 --> 01:35:55,577
frustrated, outraged nation.
1621
01:35:55,611 --> 01:35:58,822
Other people were trying
to incite to violence.
1622
01:35:58,856 --> 01:36:02,411
We always said that the only
thing that could defeat us
1623
01:36:02,446 --> 01:36:03,550
was violence.
1624
01:36:15,045 --> 01:36:16,425
And I think that's still
true in this country.
1625
01:36:16,460 --> 01:36:18,082
I don't think,
1626
01:36:18,117 --> 01:36:21,568
violence will not succeed
in changing this nation.
1627
01:36:27,885 --> 01:36:29,956
Whether it's White
violence or Black violence,
1628
01:36:31,544 --> 01:36:33,511
or any other color violence.
1629
01:37:00,573 --> 01:37:06,717
- Dr. King used to
laugh and joke about his death.
1630
01:37:06,751 --> 01:37:09,547
He said, "Look,
you're gonna die.
1631
01:37:09,582 --> 01:37:13,137
"Death is the
ultimate democracy.
1632
01:37:13,172 --> 01:37:16,140
"Everybody's got to die and
you don't have anything to say
1633
01:37:16,175 --> 01:37:18,556
"about when you
die, where you die.
1634
01:37:18,591 --> 01:37:20,662
"Your own choice is,
1635
01:37:20,696 --> 01:37:22,353
"what is it you
give your life for?"
1636
01:37:49,967 --> 01:37:52,245
- Here's
my first question to you.
1637
01:37:53,937 --> 01:37:56,077
What do you see your
responsibility as a historian
1638
01:37:56,111 --> 01:37:59,011
when you're dealing with
someone like Martin Luther King,
1639
01:37:59,045 --> 01:38:00,391
what's your responsibility?
1640
01:38:02,635 --> 01:38:03,498
- Hmm.
1641
01:38:11,644 --> 01:38:13,611
It varies over time.
1642
01:38:19,341 --> 01:38:22,724
- So, when these tapes
come out in 2027,
1643
01:38:22,758 --> 01:38:24,484
I think it's gonna
be very interesting
1644
01:38:24,519 --> 01:38:27,211
to see what the reaction is.
1645
01:38:27,246 --> 01:38:29,904
I don't know that it will create
1646
01:38:29,938 --> 01:38:32,976
a fundamental re-understanding
1647
01:38:33,010 --> 01:38:35,633
of King as a political figure,
1648
01:38:35,668 --> 01:38:37,946
but I do think that it
will probably give us
1649
01:38:37,981 --> 01:38:42,192
a slightly more complicated
sense of him as a human being.
1650
01:38:44,953 --> 01:38:48,439
- There's always been
this unresolved tension
1651
01:38:51,201 --> 01:38:55,584
in who we are and
who we say we are,
1652
01:38:55,619 --> 01:38:57,483
and who we wanna be.
1653
01:39:00,693 --> 01:39:05,629
But there was always
this emotional enthusiasm
1654
01:39:06,802 --> 01:39:08,666
that we could change the world.
1655
01:39:13,740 --> 01:39:19,539
- Did he have sexual
relationships with women
1656
01:39:19,574 --> 01:39:22,025
other than his married wife?
1657
01:39:22,059 --> 01:39:23,819
Yes, he did.
1658
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:30,723
I can't change that.
1659
01:39:30,757 --> 01:39:33,657
That's a matter of
factual history.
1660
01:39:36,729 --> 01:39:41,527
Does that make him, in my mind,
1661
01:39:43,839 --> 01:39:46,981
less of an historic
civil leader?
1662
01:39:48,016 --> 01:39:48,983
No, it does not.
1663
01:39:50,846 --> 01:39:52,227
- I just don't
think that the tapes
1664
01:39:52,262 --> 01:39:53,988
should see the light of day.
1665
01:39:54,022 --> 01:39:57,301
As I said, they would serve
no purpose whatsoever.
1666
01:39:57,336 --> 01:39:59,994
And I don't see anything
good that can come about it.
1667
01:40:00,028 --> 01:40:02,030
I see bad things that
could come about it.
1668
01:40:02,065 --> 01:40:03,998
- I don't know enough about
1669
01:40:04,032 --> 01:40:06,138
what might be in
the tapes to react,
1670
01:40:06,172 --> 01:40:07,656
except I'd say this:
1671
01:40:07,691 --> 01:40:09,244
I've never met a perfect human.
1672
01:40:09,279 --> 01:40:10,487
There are no perfect humans.
1673
01:40:10,521 --> 01:40:12,558
There's not one
speaking to you now,
1674
01:40:12,592 --> 01:40:15,595
and so I would hope that
no matter what is revealed,
1675
01:40:15,630 --> 01:40:17,563
and maybe there'll be nothing
new revealed about Dr. King,
1676
01:40:17,597 --> 01:40:20,497
people are able to understand
that people are complex,
1677
01:40:20,531 --> 01:40:24,880
and it doesn't detract from
what a person did for the good.
1678
01:40:27,469 --> 01:40:29,678
- I think it's easy
for us to look back
1679
01:40:29,713 --> 01:40:33,406
at what the FBI was doing
during Hoover's years
1680
01:40:33,441 --> 01:40:36,754
and be outraged by
it, and rightly so,
1681
01:40:36,789 --> 01:40:39,274
but I also think
there's an image
1682
01:40:39,309 --> 01:40:43,175
of J. Edgar Hoover as being
some sort of rogue actor,
1683
01:40:43,209 --> 01:40:45,039
behind the scenes,
1684
01:40:45,073 --> 01:40:48,766
and being kind of out of step
with the American mainstream.
1685
01:40:48,801 --> 01:40:51,355
But the truth is
that a lot of this
1686
01:40:51,390 --> 01:40:53,530
wasn't particularly secret.
1687
01:40:53,564 --> 01:40:56,705
A lot of people understood
what the FBI was up to,
1688
01:40:56,740 --> 01:40:58,431
and in fact, they supported it.
1689
01:41:00,675 --> 01:41:05,128
- The FBI was not
a renegade agency.
1690
01:41:05,162 --> 01:41:10,202
It was fundamentally
a part, a core part
1691
01:41:10,236 --> 01:41:14,758
of the existing mainstream
American political order.
1692
01:41:19,935 --> 01:41:24,561
- I don't know what's
in the 2027 releases,
1693
01:41:24,595 --> 01:41:27,667
but I don't think
that this will impact
1694
01:41:27,702 --> 01:41:29,773
the assessment of
Dr. King's legacy.
1695
01:41:33,535 --> 01:41:35,468
The 1960s, the post-war years
1696
01:41:35,503 --> 01:41:37,919
are a period of
real transformation.
1697
01:41:37,953 --> 01:41:40,163
One thing that's really
important is that we acknowledge
1698
01:41:40,197 --> 01:41:42,579
that Black people have only
truly had citizen rights
1699
01:41:42,613 --> 01:41:46,721
for the last 50 plus
years. It's so recent.
1700
01:41:49,620 --> 01:41:52,589
Looking at the FBI
campaigns against King,
1701
01:41:52,623 --> 01:41:55,005
the Black Panther Party,
and many other people,
1702
01:41:55,039 --> 01:41:56,593
I think there's a
core component to this
1703
01:41:56,627 --> 01:41:58,319
that really is structural
and functional.
1704
01:41:58,353 --> 01:41:59,665
People hold these attitudes,
1705
01:41:59,699 --> 01:42:00,942
and we focus on
J. Edgar Hoover's
1706
01:42:00,976 --> 01:42:03,669
own particular
history and person,
1707
01:42:03,703 --> 01:42:05,119
but I think that
these are attitudes
1708
01:42:05,153 --> 01:42:07,604
that have been core to
how the racial order
1709
01:42:07,638 --> 01:42:08,915
operates in the U. S.
1710
01:42:13,299 --> 01:42:19,271
What helped motivate these
campaigns was the real fear
1711
01:42:19,305 --> 01:42:20,548
that Black people
could undermine
1712
01:42:20,582 --> 01:42:22,895
the way the country
wanted to see itself.
1713
01:42:22,929 --> 01:42:24,207
And this manifested itself,
1714
01:42:24,241 --> 01:42:26,450
not only in the
targeting of leaders
1715
01:42:26,485 --> 01:42:27,555
and people that were visible,
1716
01:42:27,589 --> 01:42:30,144
but of ordinary people.
1717
01:42:30,178 --> 01:42:31,524
So these core fear
and aggressions
1718
01:42:31,559 --> 01:42:32,801
towards African-Americans,
1719
01:42:32,836 --> 01:42:34,286
I think has a lot to
do with White people's
1720
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:36,633
own conception of themselves,
1721
01:42:36,667 --> 01:42:38,704
and the danger of Black people
1722
01:42:38,738 --> 01:42:43,018
forcing a reckoning with the
violence of the American past.
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