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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:25,534 --> 00:00:30,054 ♪ Breichiau mam sy'n 2 00:00:30,095 --> 00:00:33,734 ♪ Dynn amdanat 3 00:00:33,774 --> 00:00:39,134 ♪ Cariad mam sy 4 00:00:39,175 --> 00:00:42,094 ♪ Dan fy mron 5 00:00:44,334 --> 00:00:52,694 ♪ Ni chaiff dim amharu'th gyntun 6 00:00:52,734 --> 00:01:01,215 ♪ Ni wna undyn a thi gam ♪. 7 00:01:51,567 --> 00:01:53,965 Prime Minister Tony Blair has led political 8 00:01:53,966 --> 00:01:55,766 tributes from a grateful nation... 9 00:01:55,767 --> 00:01:57,326 Hey, Dad. 10 00:01:57,327 --> 00:02:00,655 - Morning, sunshine. You up? - Up? I'm out and about! 11 00:02:01,246 --> 00:02:04,006 Hm, pardon me, early riser. 12 00:02:04,047 --> 00:02:05,526 What is it, Dad? 13 00:02:05,567 --> 00:02:07,605 You said there was a match today. 14 00:02:07,606 --> 00:02:09,845 Oh, yeah. Only a crappy school thing. 15 00:02:09,846 --> 00:02:11,606 Oh, well, I wanna come. Where is it? 16 00:02:11,607 --> 00:02:14,046 No, Dad, seriously, it's not that type of match. 17 00:02:14,047 --> 00:02:16,167 No parents are gonna be there. 18 00:02:16,207 --> 00:02:18,074 You're wrong. I'll be there. 19 00:02:23,086 --> 00:02:25,285 ...the Queen's 80th birthday celebrations. 20 00:02:25,286 --> 00:02:28,230 Her sense of duty and service, said Mr Blair... 21 00:02:31,447 --> 00:02:32,767 We set? 22 00:02:37,887 --> 00:02:39,406 Boss. 23 00:02:39,447 --> 00:02:40,806 Morning. 24 00:02:40,846 --> 00:02:41,966 Steve. 25 00:02:42,007 --> 00:02:43,805 How's the report coming? ACPO are asking. 26 00:02:43,806 --> 00:02:45,805 Yeah, should be with you by the end of play today. 27 00:02:45,806 --> 00:02:47,166 Any nasty surprises? 28 00:02:47,167 --> 00:02:50,245 I wish. It's gonna be a job for me to find something to do. 29 00:02:50,246 --> 00:02:52,179 I have a hunch you'll manage. 30 00:02:54,887 --> 00:02:56,405 What's with the TV crew, Dave? 31 00:02:56,406 --> 00:02:58,526 Old news. 32 00:03:21,846 --> 00:03:23,366 Argh! 33 00:04:21,046 --> 00:04:22,966 Hey. What's up? 34 00:04:23,007 --> 00:04:25,646 So, er, Jack just texted to say you're picking him up 35 00:04:25,647 --> 00:04:26,766 from the match. 36 00:04:26,767 --> 00:04:29,086 Yeah. Is there a problem? 37 00:04:29,127 --> 00:04:32,327 Well, back a month and you're running the show. 38 00:04:32,367 --> 00:04:33,687 Look, just... 39 00:04:33,726 --> 00:04:35,326 just make sure you're there. 40 00:04:35,327 --> 00:04:38,127 Fran, I'll be there. 41 00:04:42,846 --> 00:04:44,166 Go on, Jack. 42 00:04:54,807 --> 00:04:58,246 So, I was thinking, we could have a mid-week boys' night in. 43 00:04:58,247 --> 00:05:01,647 Take-away, DVD? 44 00:05:01,687 --> 00:05:03,246 I've cleared it with Mum. 45 00:05:03,247 --> 00:05:05,926 I said I'd stay over at Ryan's. 46 00:05:05,966 --> 00:05:08,499 Can't you stay at Ryan's another night? 47 00:05:11,966 --> 00:05:14,806 I was thinking, how about you spend one week with me, 48 00:05:14,807 --> 00:05:16,006 one week with your mum...? 49 00:05:16,007 --> 00:05:19,247 You know, that gives Mum and Mike some space, too. 50 00:05:19,286 --> 00:05:20,925 Did Mum ask you to do this? 51 00:05:20,926 --> 00:05:22,166 No! 52 00:05:22,207 --> 00:05:24,606 But she's fine about it, if you are. 53 00:05:27,007 --> 00:05:28,687 Can I think about it? 54 00:05:30,647 --> 00:05:33,046 Absolutely. Yeah. 55 00:05:33,086 --> 00:05:36,767 Look, go and stay at Ryan's tonight and we'll chat. 56 00:05:36,807 --> 00:05:38,207 Come here. 57 00:06:00,486 --> 00:06:02,845 With so many recent successes nationwide 58 00:06:02,846 --> 00:06:07,166 where DNA has played a key role in solving cold cases, 59 00:06:07,207 --> 00:06:09,366 attention will inevitably turn to 60 00:06:09,367 --> 00:06:13,406 unsolved murders in Wales, most notably the double murders 61 00:06:13,447 --> 00:06:15,965 of Peter and Gwenda Dixon in Pembrokeshire. 62 00:06:15,966 --> 00:06:17,366 Jonathan Hill reports. 63 00:06:17,367 --> 00:06:20,566 Over 17 years ago, the couple were blasted to death 64 00:06:20,567 --> 00:06:24,486 with a shotgun by an unknown killer as they walked along here 65 00:06:24,526 --> 00:06:28,086 at the Coastal Path in Little Haven in Pembrokeshire. 66 00:06:28,127 --> 00:06:30,045 Despite a huge police investigation, 67 00:06:30,046 --> 00:06:31,845 no-one was ever charged for the crime, 68 00:06:31,846 --> 00:06:35,447 and the Dixon family's long wait for justice continues. 69 00:06:35,486 --> 00:06:37,806 A lot of people have said they no longer feel comfortable 70 00:06:37,807 --> 00:06:39,740 coming to this path any more. 71 00:06:40,327 --> 00:06:42,727 They say it no longer feels the same. 72 00:06:44,606 --> 00:06:46,605 We asked Dyfed Powys Police for a comment 73 00:06:46,606 --> 00:06:48,566 but were told that no-one was available. 74 00:06:48,567 --> 00:06:50,966 Old news? 75 00:06:51,007 --> 00:06:54,766 Meanwhile, the identity of John and Gwenda Dixon's vicious killer 76 00:06:54,767 --> 00:06:56,127 remains unknown. 77 00:07:03,166 --> 00:07:04,966 How you settling in, Steve? 78 00:07:05,926 --> 00:07:07,606 It's like I never left. 79 00:07:08,007 --> 00:07:10,366 I found only one area where we're exposed. 80 00:07:10,367 --> 00:07:12,965 No thorough forensic reviews of serious crimes. 81 00:07:12,966 --> 00:07:14,846 Most notably Coastal Path. 82 00:07:16,286 --> 00:07:17,646 You saw the news. 83 00:07:19,207 --> 00:07:21,726 Yeah. What's the story? 84 00:07:25,447 --> 00:07:28,846 The unlikelihood of finding anything new. 85 00:07:28,887 --> 00:07:31,206 The distress that would cause the Dixon family. 86 00:07:31,207 --> 00:07:34,085 And, if we failed, the delight the media would take 87 00:07:34,086 --> 00:07:35,965 in hauling us through the muck. 88 00:07:35,966 --> 00:07:38,686 A few years back, they branded us "institutionally incompetent", 89 00:07:38,687 --> 00:07:39,727 and it stuck. 90 00:07:41,926 --> 00:07:45,447 Well, it's about time we did something about that. 91 00:07:45,486 --> 00:07:48,366 I'd like to take a look at Coastal Path, see if there's anything there. 92 00:07:48,367 --> 00:07:49,807 That OK with you? 93 00:07:49,846 --> 00:07:51,779 You don't need my permission. 94 00:07:52,286 --> 00:07:55,887 DCI George Jones was SIO on it. Is he still about? 95 00:07:55,926 --> 00:07:59,767 Yeah, he is. But, Steve, go easy on the old bloke. 96 00:08:21,327 --> 00:08:23,246 Thank you for seeing me, sir. 97 00:08:23,247 --> 00:08:24,485 A police dog found them. 98 00:08:24,486 --> 00:08:26,845 Six days after they were reported missing. 99 00:08:28,687 --> 00:08:31,154 The maggots gave us the time of death. 100 00:08:32,166 --> 00:08:36,134 After he murdered them, the attacker stole Peter Dixon's wallet 101 00:08:36,166 --> 00:08:38,087 and wedding ring. 102 00:08:38,127 --> 00:08:40,525 It's not much of a reason to end two lives, is it? 103 00:08:40,526 --> 00:08:42,805 Gwenda Dixon was sexually assaulted 104 00:08:42,806 --> 00:08:45,646 with her husband lying dead not six feet away. 105 00:08:45,647 --> 00:08:47,646 He was a sick, sadistic bastard. 106 00:08:47,647 --> 00:08:49,446 He didn't need a reason. 107 00:08:52,887 --> 00:08:54,567 We did the best we could. 108 00:08:59,847 --> 00:09:01,714 I won't be made a scapegoat. 109 00:09:02,926 --> 00:09:04,859 That's not why I'm here, sir. 110 00:09:09,166 --> 00:09:11,766 So, four days after the murders, a man walked into 111 00:09:11,767 --> 00:09:16,087 Pembroke Bespoke Jewellers and sold a 22-carat gold band. 112 00:09:16,127 --> 00:09:19,966 The band matched the description of Peter Dixon's stolen wedding ring. 113 00:09:19,967 --> 00:09:22,846 And the seller of the ring had signed the receipt J Cooper. 114 00:09:22,847 --> 00:09:25,686 Now, on the basis of this information, 115 00:09:25,727 --> 00:09:28,166 one of your team, a DC Dylan Rees? 116 00:09:29,526 --> 00:09:34,526 He questioned a John William Cooper of 28 Rose Meadow Lane, Birchmede. 117 00:09:35,926 --> 00:09:37,405 Cooper said that the ring was his own 118 00:09:37,406 --> 00:09:39,246 and that he sold it because he needed the cash, 119 00:09:39,247 --> 00:09:41,525 and then his wife confirmed the story. 120 00:09:41,526 --> 00:09:43,926 And then no further action was taken. 121 00:09:45,247 --> 00:09:48,446 I'm curious to hear your view on this. 122 00:09:48,487 --> 00:09:51,166 I sent a DC to do a DCI's job. 123 00:09:51,206 --> 00:09:54,166 I should've questioned Cooper myself, but we... 124 00:09:54,206 --> 00:09:55,647 we were swamped. 125 00:09:56,686 --> 00:09:59,525 After the case was closed, I learnt that Rees 126 00:09:59,526 --> 00:10:02,286 drank in the same pub as Cooper, together. 127 00:10:03,286 --> 00:10:05,926 My view is that Cooper... 128 00:10:05,967 --> 00:10:08,727 used the fact they knew each other. 129 00:10:08,767 --> 00:10:10,326 That Rees... 130 00:10:10,367 --> 00:10:11,806 was manipulated. 131 00:10:14,046 --> 00:10:16,579 - Where's Cooper now? - Dyffryn Prison. 132 00:10:16,607 --> 00:10:20,319 He was sentenced to 16 years in 1998 for a string of, er... 133 00:10:20,887 --> 00:10:22,486 ...burglaries and robberies. 134 00:10:22,487 --> 00:10:25,727 The investigation was codenamed Huntsman. 135 00:10:25,767 --> 00:10:29,046 They interviewed Cooper, but didn't get anything. 136 00:10:29,087 --> 00:10:33,127 16 years in 1998... 137 00:10:33,166 --> 00:10:36,174 If he's behaved himself, he'll be up for parole. 138 00:10:41,046 --> 00:10:44,405 Where it happened is just below Talbenny church. 139 00:10:44,406 --> 00:10:47,286 The spot is marked by a plaque. 140 00:10:49,046 --> 00:10:52,502 The Dixons' son and daughter leave a wreath every year. 141 00:11:58,166 --> 00:11:59,926 You found us, then. 142 00:12:01,286 --> 00:12:03,925 So, you're doing a bit of digging on John William Cooper? 143 00:12:03,926 --> 00:12:05,446 I am. 144 00:12:05,487 --> 00:12:08,354 Let's hope you have better luck than we did. 145 00:12:13,887 --> 00:12:16,566 Operation Huntsman. 146 00:12:16,607 --> 00:12:18,046 This was us. 147 00:12:18,087 --> 00:12:20,366 There's a few odds and sods stored elsewhere, 148 00:12:20,367 --> 00:12:24,046 but most of this was confiscated from Cooper's home. 149 00:12:24,087 --> 00:12:25,767 The place was a pigsty. 150 00:12:27,647 --> 00:12:30,925 You arrested him for a string of burglaries and robberies, 151 00:12:30,926 --> 00:12:34,006 but you also questioned him about the murders at Coastal Path. 152 00:12:34,007 --> 00:12:36,166 - Why? - His MO, sir. 153 00:12:36,206 --> 00:12:39,366 We did him for a robbery that was a carbon copy of the Coastal Path. 154 00:12:39,367 --> 00:12:41,727 Robbery, tied-up victim, a shotgun. 155 00:12:41,767 --> 00:12:45,223 That's why we also questioned him about Scoveston Park. 156 00:12:46,406 --> 00:12:48,246 20 years ago, Scoveston Park? 157 00:12:48,247 --> 00:12:50,767 21 years ago now. December, '85. 158 00:12:51,887 --> 00:12:54,647 Theft, arson and double murder. 159 00:12:56,806 --> 00:12:59,878 - Brother and sister. - Richard and Helen Thomas. 160 00:13:00,767 --> 00:13:03,565 The difference was that the killer resorted to arson 161 00:13:03,566 --> 00:13:06,099 to cover his tracks. He started a fire. 162 00:13:06,887 --> 00:13:09,367 He completely destroyed the place. 163 00:13:09,406 --> 00:13:11,246 Tough on evidence gathering. 164 00:13:11,247 --> 00:13:13,580 Yeah. And even tougher on forensics. 165 00:13:15,087 --> 00:13:17,285 Did Cooper tell you anything in the interviews? 166 00:13:17,286 --> 00:13:19,966 Nothing. When we mentioned the murders, he just shut down. 167 00:13:19,967 --> 00:13:21,806 We had to move on. 168 00:13:21,847 --> 00:13:23,165 With all the lesser offences, 169 00:13:23,166 --> 00:13:26,607 we found almost every single stolen item in his home. 170 00:13:26,647 --> 00:13:29,247 You charge them with what you can prove. 171 00:13:30,367 --> 00:13:32,246 - Did you speak to the family? - We did. 172 00:13:32,247 --> 00:13:34,086 Yeah, the wife gave us nothing. 173 00:13:34,087 --> 00:13:36,325 She was more frightened of him than us. 174 00:13:36,326 --> 00:13:38,247 The son was useful. 175 00:13:38,286 --> 00:13:40,006 Yeah, he hated his dad, though. 176 00:13:40,007 --> 00:13:42,207 He wanted nothing to do with him. 177 00:13:43,686 --> 00:13:46,685 The reason your Disability Allowance payment has been delayed 178 00:13:46,686 --> 00:13:48,525 is because you changed your first name. 179 00:13:48,526 --> 00:13:50,966 Yeah, eight years ago, by statutory declaration. 180 00:13:50,967 --> 00:13:53,366 I gave you people a copy of the certificate! 181 00:13:53,367 --> 00:13:54,767 Look... 182 00:13:54,806 --> 00:13:56,205 I've had enough of this. 183 00:13:56,206 --> 00:13:58,086 Can you get a manager on the line, please? 184 00:13:58,087 --> 00:14:00,686 I'm not authorised to do that, sir. 185 00:14:00,727 --> 00:14:03,165 - What's your first name, Mr Cooper? - Andrew. 186 00:14:03,166 --> 00:14:05,087 Not Adrian, Andrew. 187 00:14:05,127 --> 00:14:06,767 Andrew Cooper. 188 00:14:06,806 --> 00:14:07,887 And... 189 00:14:07,926 --> 00:14:09,846 don't talk to me like I'm an idiot. 190 00:14:09,847 --> 00:14:12,919 - Hold the line, please, sir. - No, please don't... 191 00:14:13,087 --> 00:14:17,247 Please continue to hold. Your call is important to us. 192 00:14:31,516 --> 00:14:33,516 - Hi, Dad. - Oh, hello! 193 00:14:35,117 --> 00:14:36,156 Laundry. 194 00:14:36,197 --> 00:14:40,035 The machine at the salon's on the blink and you're closer than Mum's. 195 00:14:40,036 --> 00:14:41,357 Well... 196 00:14:42,556 --> 00:14:45,223 ...good to know I'm useful for something. 197 00:15:09,556 --> 00:15:10,916 Payment. 198 00:15:13,077 --> 00:15:14,957 "Maximum hold." 199 00:15:14,997 --> 00:15:16,756 Thank you, love. 200 00:15:16,796 --> 00:15:18,916 The place is looking nice now. 201 00:15:18,957 --> 00:15:20,317 Very tidy. 202 00:15:20,357 --> 00:15:23,749 It'll do, until I find something a bit more permanent. 203 00:15:23,756 --> 00:15:26,717 Do you want to stay, have a bite to eat? 204 00:15:26,756 --> 00:15:27,916 Sorry. 205 00:15:27,957 --> 00:15:29,395 Late for the cinema. 206 00:15:29,396 --> 00:15:31,076 OK, love, enjoy yourself. 207 00:15:35,916 --> 00:15:38,316 Jack's really chuffed that you're back. 208 00:15:38,317 --> 00:15:39,676 Is he? 209 00:15:39,717 --> 00:15:41,477 Don't try too hard. 210 00:15:42,516 --> 00:15:44,396 Just give him a bit of time. 211 00:15:45,437 --> 00:15:47,556 Right, OK. 212 00:15:47,597 --> 00:15:49,730 I'll pick up the stuff tomorrow. 213 00:15:49,756 --> 00:15:50,796 Hey... 214 00:15:51,916 --> 00:15:53,716 When did you become so mature? 215 00:15:53,717 --> 00:15:56,156 Ages ago. 216 00:15:56,197 --> 00:15:57,837 I'm a girl. 217 00:16:23,165 --> 00:16:25,684 John William Cooper. Do you know him? 218 00:16:25,724 --> 00:16:29,043 Yeah, I've heard of him. And Operation Huntsman, obviously. 219 00:16:29,044 --> 00:16:31,884 What would you say if I told you his offending kit for the robberies 220 00:16:31,885 --> 00:16:34,284 was black gloves, balaclava and shotgun? 221 00:16:34,285 --> 00:16:36,204 I'd say Nolton Hill Estate. 222 00:16:39,564 --> 00:16:41,043 The shotgun he used, 223 00:16:41,044 --> 00:16:44,524 recovered from a robbery gone wrong in the village of Sardis. 224 00:16:44,525 --> 00:16:47,323 It was the customised shoulder strap which got my attention. 225 00:16:47,324 --> 00:16:49,004 Sawn-off, modified stock. 226 00:16:50,084 --> 00:16:51,364 Jesus, Steve, is it him? 227 00:16:51,365 --> 00:16:53,084 Him who? 228 00:16:53,125 --> 00:16:54,804 What's going on? 229 00:16:54,844 --> 00:16:56,844 Do you remember Nolton Hill? 230 00:16:58,044 --> 00:17:00,443 Ten years ago. A few months before I left. 231 00:17:00,444 --> 00:17:03,164 A masked man with a shotgun attacked five teenagers 232 00:17:03,165 --> 00:17:04,443 near the Nolton Hill Estate. 233 00:17:04,444 --> 00:17:07,243 One of the girls was raped. Another sexually assaulted. 234 00:17:07,244 --> 00:17:09,443 - It was never solved. - I remember. 235 00:17:09,444 --> 00:17:11,443 DI Richards and myself were called in to assist. 236 00:17:11,444 --> 00:17:13,684 The two boys knew about guns. 237 00:17:13,724 --> 00:17:15,364 Yeah, they used to do a bit of rabbiting. 238 00:17:15,365 --> 00:17:18,683 Their description of the shotgun that the attacker used 239 00:17:18,684 --> 00:17:20,124 exactly matched that gun. 240 00:17:20,125 --> 00:17:22,125 Hang on. Back up a bit, Steve. 241 00:17:22,165 --> 00:17:24,364 The last I heard, you were looking at Coastal Path. 242 00:17:24,365 --> 00:17:25,684 I was. 243 00:17:25,724 --> 00:17:26,924 I am. 244 00:17:28,204 --> 00:17:29,884 And that led me to this. 245 00:17:31,845 --> 00:17:33,964 I'll ask you again, John, 246 00:17:34,004 --> 00:17:36,723 regarding the murders of Peter and Gwenda Dixon 247 00:17:36,724 --> 00:17:40,284 on the morning of Thursday 29th June, 1989, 248 00:17:40,325 --> 00:17:42,458 were you the person responsible? 249 00:17:43,004 --> 00:17:45,524 I am not a murderer. 250 00:17:45,565 --> 00:17:47,763 - Strong accent. - South Pembrokeshire. 251 00:17:47,764 --> 00:17:49,004 Watch this... 252 00:17:49,045 --> 00:17:51,565 John, what about Scoveston Park? 253 00:17:51,605 --> 00:17:54,683 We have witnesses who say that you knew Richard and Helen Thomas. 254 00:17:54,684 --> 00:17:57,124 My client is exercising his right to silence. 255 00:17:57,125 --> 00:17:59,858 John... Come on, John, don't be like that. 256 00:18:01,325 --> 00:18:02,365 John. 257 00:18:02,405 --> 00:18:03,524 John! 258 00:18:04,645 --> 00:18:06,125 Steve... 259 00:18:06,165 --> 00:18:08,844 ever since Huntsman, gossip has put Cooper in the frame 260 00:18:08,845 --> 00:18:11,283 - for 101 offences. - I'm talking about just three. 261 00:18:11,284 --> 00:18:14,964 Coastal Path, Scoveston Park, Nolton Hill. 262 00:18:17,365 --> 00:18:19,484 I think he did them all. 263 00:18:52,365 --> 00:18:54,244 Not now, Jack. 264 00:19:00,365 --> 00:19:01,645 Here they come. 265 00:19:04,405 --> 00:19:07,044 How did Operation Huntsman miss all this? 266 00:19:07,045 --> 00:19:08,243 They didn't, ma'am. 267 00:19:08,244 --> 00:19:10,443 They questioned Cooper on all three cases 268 00:19:10,444 --> 00:19:12,244 and he just stayed mute. 269 00:19:12,284 --> 00:19:15,932 Plus, as I touched on earlier, there was no hard evidence. 270 00:19:16,805 --> 00:19:18,683 Where's your hard evidence, Steve? 271 00:19:18,684 --> 00:19:21,444 It's waiting for us to find, ma'am. 272 00:19:21,484 --> 00:19:24,084 Thanks to Huntsman and the original investigations, 273 00:19:24,085 --> 00:19:27,405 we have access to over 3,000 exhibits in storage. 274 00:19:27,444 --> 00:19:31,124 That's a potential treasure trove of victim and perpetrator DNA. 275 00:19:31,125 --> 00:19:32,523 At the time of Huntsman, 276 00:19:32,524 --> 00:19:35,084 the science wasn't up to scratch on age-degraded trace DNA. 277 00:19:35,085 --> 00:19:38,221 But as we know, things have come a long way since. 278 00:19:38,885 --> 00:19:40,644 Say you get enough to charge him. 279 00:19:40,645 --> 00:19:44,324 Charging a man with the murders of four adults is clear, simple. 280 00:19:44,325 --> 00:19:47,724 But you add five minors, rape, sexual assault, 281 00:19:47,764 --> 00:19:49,804 the Crown's case could seem muddled. 282 00:19:49,805 --> 00:19:52,125 The CPS won't like that. 283 00:19:52,165 --> 00:19:55,364 Perhaps it would be wiser to confine the review to the two murders. 284 00:19:55,365 --> 00:19:59,565 With respect, ma'am, I interviewed the five victims as a WDC. 285 00:19:59,605 --> 00:20:02,605 And it made quite an impression on me. 286 00:20:02,645 --> 00:20:05,084 So much so, I've kept tabs on them over the years. 287 00:20:05,085 --> 00:20:07,443 Now, some are doing better than others, but... 288 00:20:07,444 --> 00:20:10,125 all of them have been scarred for life. 289 00:20:10,165 --> 00:20:12,523 They had their childhood stolen from them that night. 290 00:20:12,524 --> 00:20:15,524 They deserve another chance at justice. 291 00:20:15,565 --> 00:20:17,844 As do all the victims and their families. 292 00:20:17,845 --> 00:20:19,884 All I'm saying is, if you try to prove too much, 293 00:20:19,885 --> 00:20:22,045 you could lose everything. 294 00:20:22,085 --> 00:20:26,364 The killings at Scoveston Park and Coastal Path are like two bricks. 295 00:20:26,365 --> 00:20:29,963 And the attacks on the kids is the mortar that holds them together. 296 00:20:29,964 --> 00:20:32,484 It has elements of both cases. 297 00:20:32,524 --> 00:20:34,405 And, ma'am, erm... 298 00:20:34,444 --> 00:20:35,923 what are the odds that offences, 299 00:20:35,924 --> 00:20:38,964 which share so much similar fact evidence, 300 00:20:39,004 --> 00:20:42,652 in such a small area, were committed by more than one man? 301 00:20:45,605 --> 00:20:49,044 You know, if we reinvestigate and it doesn't go our way, 302 00:20:49,045 --> 00:20:53,405 the media, the public, the families, they'll crucify us. 303 00:20:53,444 --> 00:20:56,452 And if we don't go ahead, it could be far worse. 304 00:20:56,724 --> 00:20:58,084 We've put a call into MAPPA. 305 00:20:58,085 --> 00:21:00,404 A date's been set for his parole hearing. 306 00:21:00,405 --> 00:21:02,124 He could be out in three months. 307 00:21:02,125 --> 00:21:04,244 If he did do these murders, 308 00:21:04,284 --> 00:21:06,751 he is, by definition, a serial killer. 309 00:21:07,565 --> 00:21:11,284 And given the opportunity, men like him... 310 00:21:11,325 --> 00:21:13,005 they always kill again. 311 00:21:26,244 --> 00:21:27,645 Next. 312 00:21:52,165 --> 00:21:55,484 The next time you visit, make an effort, will you? 313 00:21:57,565 --> 00:21:59,964 You look like an old woman. 314 00:22:00,004 --> 00:22:01,805 Adrian's back. 315 00:22:01,845 --> 00:22:03,045 What? 316 00:22:03,085 --> 00:22:04,923 I saw Shirley from Birchmede. 317 00:22:04,924 --> 00:22:07,804 Her daughter's a receptionist in the hospital. 318 00:22:07,805 --> 00:22:10,203 Apparently, he was walking with a stick. 319 00:22:10,204 --> 00:22:11,524 A stick? 320 00:22:11,565 --> 00:22:14,124 - Well, that's gotta be a scam. - Well, that's what she said. 321 00:22:14,125 --> 00:22:16,124 Anyway, Adrian wasn't like that. 322 00:22:16,125 --> 00:22:17,484 He was a worker. 323 00:22:17,524 --> 00:22:19,404 What, you're defending him now, are you, hm? 324 00:22:19,405 --> 00:22:21,684 He's dead to us. 325 00:22:36,244 --> 00:22:38,845 Sorry, Andrew. Did I hurt you? 326 00:22:38,885 --> 00:22:40,645 It wasn't you. 327 00:22:41,805 --> 00:22:44,404 It's all right, just relax, I've got you. 328 00:23:15,885 --> 00:23:18,004 28 Rose Meadow Lane. 329 00:23:18,045 --> 00:23:20,712 Cooper's last home before he went inside. 330 00:23:21,724 --> 00:23:24,003 Walk in any direction from this point 331 00:23:24,004 --> 00:23:27,324 and you'll hit a home he targeted between '83 and '96. 332 00:23:27,325 --> 00:23:29,003 It's the hub of the wheel. 333 00:23:29,004 --> 00:23:30,684 In this tiny area, 334 00:23:30,724 --> 00:23:34,204 34 burglaries and robberies, one rape of a minor, 335 00:23:34,244 --> 00:23:36,511 one indecent assault of a minor... 336 00:23:37,085 --> 00:23:38,605 ...and two murders. 337 00:23:41,125 --> 00:23:42,725 If walls could talk. 338 00:23:49,845 --> 00:23:51,565 Been back since? 339 00:23:51,605 --> 00:23:54,405 A few times to see how the kids were doing. 340 00:23:59,444 --> 00:24:02,844 So, I was thinking a start-up team of six, including us, 341 00:24:02,845 --> 00:24:04,124 cherry-picked from division. 342 00:24:04,125 --> 00:24:06,885 That way, we can keep things covert 343 00:24:06,924 --> 00:24:08,523 and it should be easier on our budget. 344 00:24:08,524 --> 00:24:10,284 Mm, sounds like a plan. 345 00:24:11,605 --> 00:24:13,884 I really appreciate you bringing me in on this, Steve. 346 00:24:13,885 --> 00:24:16,405 Your reputation brought you in. 347 00:24:16,444 --> 00:24:18,885 WDC to DI in ten years. 348 00:24:18,924 --> 00:24:20,924 Says Mr DS to Superintendent. 349 00:24:20,964 --> 00:24:22,405 London. 350 00:24:22,444 --> 00:24:24,244 The worst years of my life. 351 00:24:27,444 --> 00:24:30,708 Yeah, I was sorry to hear about you and your missus. 352 00:24:30,964 --> 00:24:32,645 It is what it is. 353 00:24:49,264 --> 00:24:52,336 They were so close to home when he attacked them. 354 00:24:53,185 --> 00:24:55,064 It looks so bloody ordinary. 355 00:24:59,585 --> 00:25:01,704 To Operation Ottawa. 356 00:25:05,145 --> 00:25:06,745 To Operation Ottawa. 357 00:26:08,467 --> 00:26:09,667 It's all right. 358 00:26:10,906 --> 00:26:12,866 This is home. 359 00:26:12,906 --> 00:26:14,786 The first rule of Operation Ottawa 360 00:26:14,787 --> 00:26:17,506 is you do not talk about Operation Ottawa. 361 00:26:17,507 --> 00:26:19,706 The second rule of Operation Ottawa is...? 362 00:26:19,707 --> 00:26:22,240 You do not talk about Operation Ottawa. 363 00:26:22,507 --> 00:26:24,787 It's from Fight Club. It's a film. 364 00:26:24,826 --> 00:26:27,666 Thank you, Barry Norman. 365 00:26:27,707 --> 00:26:32,066 We don't say a word to friends, colleagues or family. 366 00:26:32,106 --> 00:26:34,586 Yeah, they'll get narky with us, but it's the way it has to be. 367 00:26:34,587 --> 00:26:37,625 We don't want Cooper, or the media, seeing us coming. 368 00:26:37,626 --> 00:26:39,106 Boss... 369 00:26:39,146 --> 00:26:41,866 Cold cases are 99% forensics. 370 00:26:41,906 --> 00:26:44,239 So, we need to do everything we can 371 00:26:44,267 --> 00:26:48,467 to help the scientists find that DNA golden nugget, 372 00:26:48,507 --> 00:26:53,227 the DNA hit that unites culprit and victim in the same time and place. 373 00:26:53,267 --> 00:26:54,506 Now, our forensics 374 00:26:54,507 --> 00:26:57,585 mustn't be tainted by any of the work that's gone before. 375 00:26:57,586 --> 00:27:01,065 Previous investigations had all their testing done in-house 376 00:27:01,066 --> 00:27:02,986 by the Forensic Science Service. 377 00:27:02,987 --> 00:27:05,146 But the science has moved on. 378 00:27:05,187 --> 00:27:07,425 We need a fresh pair of eyes on this. 379 00:27:07,426 --> 00:27:08,547 Angela Gallop. 380 00:27:10,187 --> 00:27:11,746 She has been involved in 381 00:27:11,747 --> 00:27:13,986 some of the highest profile cases of the last ten years. 382 00:27:13,987 --> 00:27:17,987 Lynette White, Stephen Lawrence, Damilola Taylor. 383 00:27:18,027 --> 00:27:20,226 Dr Gallop and her team are the best in the business. 384 00:27:20,227 --> 00:27:22,106 But they can only find what they're looking for 385 00:27:22,107 --> 00:27:24,586 if they look in the right place. And that's where we come in. 386 00:27:24,587 --> 00:27:26,466 We need to identify which items of evidence 387 00:27:26,467 --> 00:27:30,906 are most likely to carry Cooper and/or victim DNA in whatever form. 388 00:27:30,947 --> 00:27:33,507 Skin, hair, saliva, semen, blood. 389 00:27:33,547 --> 00:27:35,345 Now, in an ideal world, there'd be no limit 390 00:27:35,346 --> 00:27:37,546 to the amount of exhibits we could send for analysis. 391 00:27:37,547 --> 00:27:39,027 But... 392 00:27:39,066 --> 00:27:40,546 forensic work is not cheap. 393 00:27:40,547 --> 00:27:43,346 And our budget is finite. 394 00:27:43,386 --> 00:27:45,747 In short, whatever we send 395 00:27:45,787 --> 00:27:48,520 needs to be chosen very fucking carefully. 396 00:27:53,626 --> 00:27:55,145 Our first case tonight 397 00:27:55,146 --> 00:27:57,786 is an extraordinary double murder in South Wales. 398 00:27:57,787 --> 00:28:00,267 On the evening of 22nd December, 1985, 399 00:28:00,307 --> 00:28:02,905 Richard Thomas and his sister, Helen Thomas, 400 00:28:02,906 --> 00:28:04,706 were attacked in their home 401 00:28:04,707 --> 00:28:06,706 at Scoveston Park, three miles outside Milford. 402 00:28:06,707 --> 00:28:08,506 She was shot, probably in her bedroom. 403 00:28:08,507 --> 00:28:10,546 And it was in that room at about ten o'clock 404 00:28:10,547 --> 00:28:12,226 that the fire was started. 405 00:28:12,227 --> 00:28:15,905 Richard Thomas died of shotgun wounds to the stomach and the head. 406 00:28:15,906 --> 00:28:20,307 Emergency services were called at 1:15am on 23rd of December. 407 00:28:20,346 --> 00:28:23,385 Scene of Crime Officers entered the property the following morning 408 00:28:23,386 --> 00:28:24,905 and found Helen Thomas' body on a bed. 409 00:28:24,906 --> 00:28:26,706 It's believed she was sexually assaulted. 410 00:28:26,707 --> 00:28:29,187 On the morning of June 29th, 1989, 411 00:28:29,227 --> 00:28:33,826 Peter and Gwenda Dixon were murdered on the Pembrokeshire Coastal Path 412 00:28:33,866 --> 00:28:35,145 near Little Haven. 413 00:28:35,146 --> 00:28:38,186 The couple from Oxford decided to take a short walk 414 00:28:38,187 --> 00:28:40,385 while they waited for their tent to dry. 415 00:28:40,386 --> 00:28:43,546 Their bodies were found six days later on the cliffs at Little Haven. 416 00:28:43,547 --> 00:28:47,066 Now, one of Wales most spectacular beauty spots... 417 00:28:47,106 --> 00:28:52,586 Between 7:45pm and 8:45pm on Wednesday 6th March, 1996, 418 00:28:52,626 --> 00:28:57,586 five children, aged between 15 and 16, were attacked in a field 419 00:28:57,626 --> 00:28:58,986 next to the Norton Hill Estate. 420 00:28:58,987 --> 00:29:01,947 On the evening of November 22nd, 1996, 421 00:29:01,987 --> 00:29:05,906 a bungalow in Sardis, six miles from Milford, was burgled. 422 00:29:05,947 --> 00:29:09,666 The victim was confronted by a man in a balaclava. 423 00:29:09,707 --> 00:29:11,226 They were approached by a masked man. 424 00:29:11,227 --> 00:29:13,506 The children were threatened, told to lie on the ground. 425 00:29:13,507 --> 00:29:16,506 One of the girls was raped, another indecently assaulted. 426 00:29:16,507 --> 00:29:20,065 The victim managed to press a panic alarm, causing the offender to flee, 427 00:29:20,066 --> 00:29:21,986 depositing personal items as he ran. 428 00:29:21,987 --> 00:29:26,426 These included stolen jewellery, items of clothing, a balaclava, 429 00:29:26,467 --> 00:29:30,066 some black gloves and his double-barrel shotgun. 430 00:29:30,106 --> 00:29:32,306 One of the boys was struck in the head 431 00:29:32,307 --> 00:29:34,546 with a sawn-off double-barrel shotgun. 432 00:29:34,547 --> 00:29:38,747 Then husband and wife were shot at point-blank range. 433 00:29:38,787 --> 00:29:42,345 Forensic evidence suggests Gwenda Dixon was sexually assaulted 434 00:29:42,346 --> 00:29:44,066 at this location here. 435 00:29:44,106 --> 00:29:46,786 Most of the evidence was destroyed in the fire. 436 00:29:46,787 --> 00:29:49,786 They did manage to retrieve a sock belonging to Mr Thomas 437 00:29:49,787 --> 00:29:51,786 and a few other items, but that's it. 438 00:29:51,787 --> 00:29:54,987 - No DNA would have survived a fire like that. - No. 439 00:29:55,027 --> 00:29:57,385 Just save our money for items more likely to yield a hit. 440 00:29:57,386 --> 00:29:59,119 Coastal Path, Nolton Hill. 441 00:29:59,146 --> 00:30:00,346 Agreed. 442 00:30:00,386 --> 00:30:02,746 But we still need to recover any Scoveston Park exhibits 443 00:30:02,747 --> 00:30:05,214 that would support our take on his MO. 444 00:30:06,146 --> 00:30:07,386 Exactly. 445 00:30:07,426 --> 00:30:08,665 Tied-up victims. 446 00:30:08,666 --> 00:30:11,145 The rope used to bind Helen Thomas' hands. 447 00:30:11,146 --> 00:30:13,747 Helen Thomas' bra was torn. 448 00:30:13,787 --> 00:30:15,626 That's sexual assault. 449 00:30:33,826 --> 00:30:34,947 MTJ/29. 450 00:30:34,987 --> 00:30:36,947 - Er, clothing. - Yeah. 451 00:30:37,987 --> 00:30:39,747 CJE/2. 452 00:30:39,787 --> 00:30:41,065 Nolton Hill rainbow T-shirt. 453 00:30:41,066 --> 00:30:42,665 Give me ten patch tests 454 00:30:42,666 --> 00:30:45,105 on that, corresponding with the victim's bruising. 455 00:30:45,106 --> 00:30:46,187 Yeah. 456 00:30:46,227 --> 00:30:48,386 - CJE/16. - Coastal Path rope. 457 00:30:48,426 --> 00:30:50,187 Despite a massive search 458 00:30:50,227 --> 00:30:52,425 for a suspect seen using the Dixons' cash card... 459 00:30:52,426 --> 00:30:54,946 Peter Dixon's bank card was used to withdraw cash 460 00:30:54,947 --> 00:30:57,346 from NatWest cashpoint machines 461 00:30:57,386 --> 00:31:00,507 at Pembroke, Haverfordwest and Carmarthen. 462 00:31:00,547 --> 00:31:02,065 A man wearing shorts 463 00:31:02,066 --> 00:31:04,786 was seen by a member of the public making one of these withdrawals. 464 00:31:04,787 --> 00:31:08,547 From this siting, police made this artist's impression. 465 00:31:14,507 --> 00:31:18,707 Exhibit reference number MTJ/14, black balaclava. 466 00:31:18,747 --> 00:31:21,707 Exhibit reference PH/2, double-barrel shotgun. 467 00:31:22,947 --> 00:31:24,947 - The Sardis gun, yeah? - Yeah. 468 00:31:25,507 --> 00:31:28,466 12 patches tested. Six on the barrel, six on the stock. 469 00:31:28,467 --> 00:31:33,146 In total, officers recovered 66 items in a fairly straight line 470 00:31:33,187 --> 00:31:37,987 from the bungalow in Sardis to 28 Rose Meadow Lane. 471 00:31:39,547 --> 00:31:42,027 The home of John William Cooper. 472 00:31:58,187 --> 00:31:59,187 Dad? 473 00:32:00,267 --> 00:32:01,426 Hiya, Jack! 474 00:32:03,146 --> 00:32:06,787 - Have I come at a bad time? - No, no, of course not. 475 00:32:06,826 --> 00:32:07,906 Well... 476 00:32:07,947 --> 00:32:09,947 let the male bonding commence. 477 00:32:11,146 --> 00:32:13,345 Does your mother know you're here? 478 00:32:13,346 --> 00:32:16,766 Yeah. You don't need to check, Dad, she knows. 479 00:32:16,768 --> 00:32:19,322 You two haven't had a fight, by any chance? 480 00:32:19,323 --> 00:32:21,346 Nothing major. 481 00:32:21,386 --> 00:32:22,747 All right. 482 00:32:22,787 --> 00:32:23,787 OK. 483 00:32:25,267 --> 00:32:28,000 Well, you know where it is. Go and unpack. 484 00:32:44,227 --> 00:32:46,426 - Morning. - Yeah, Steve. 485 00:32:46,467 --> 00:32:48,467 You need to re-route to HQ. 486 00:32:48,507 --> 00:32:50,747 We've got a fly in the ointment. 487 00:33:03,586 --> 00:33:05,027 Morning. 488 00:33:05,066 --> 00:33:06,706 Jonathan Hill for Steve Wilkins. 489 00:33:06,707 --> 00:33:08,574 - Just a moment. - Thank you. 490 00:33:22,547 --> 00:33:23,987 Mr Hill. 491 00:33:24,027 --> 00:33:27,739 Detective Superintendent Steve Wilkins, Deputy Head of CID. 492 00:33:28,547 --> 00:33:30,546 Comms referred your query to me. 493 00:33:30,547 --> 00:33:32,466 I understand you want to make a programme 494 00:33:32,467 --> 00:33:34,534 about the Coastal Path murders. 495 00:33:35,227 --> 00:33:38,345 Erm, actually, it's a bit more specific than that. 496 00:33:38,346 --> 00:33:40,065 Erm, I would like to make a documentary 497 00:33:40,066 --> 00:33:42,987 exploring the possibility that... 498 00:33:43,027 --> 00:33:44,786 the double murders at Coastal Path 499 00:33:44,787 --> 00:33:48,179 might be linked to the ones at Scoveston Park in 1985. 500 00:33:48,866 --> 00:33:50,933 That would be a problem for us. 501 00:33:51,866 --> 00:33:53,386 How do you mean? 502 00:33:53,426 --> 00:33:57,138 Mr Hill, what I'm about to tell you cannot leave this room. 503 00:33:59,106 --> 00:34:03,586 I'm not in the habit of agreeing to things before I know what they are. 504 00:34:03,747 --> 00:34:06,466 We are re-investigating the two offences. 505 00:34:09,346 --> 00:34:11,825 Right, and how would a documentary about the murders 506 00:34:11,826 --> 00:34:13,266 interfere with that? 507 00:34:13,267 --> 00:34:16,666 The killer, or killers, think they've got away with murder. 508 00:34:16,667 --> 00:34:19,025 A news piece would rattle them, make them vigilant. 509 00:34:19,026 --> 00:34:22,930 And that would be weeks of covert police work down the toilet. 510 00:34:23,426 --> 00:34:24,747 So... 511 00:34:24,787 --> 00:34:26,466 I'll tell you what. 512 00:34:26,506 --> 00:34:28,706 If you agree to shelve your proposed documentary, 513 00:34:28,707 --> 00:34:30,986 maintain a news blackout, 514 00:34:31,026 --> 00:34:33,227 when we're ready to go public, 515 00:34:33,267 --> 00:34:36,134 I will see to it that you get the exclusive. 516 00:34:40,386 --> 00:34:41,587 OK. 517 00:34:42,707 --> 00:34:43,987 OK, it's a deal. 518 00:34:46,906 --> 00:34:48,545 I want Dyfed Powys Police 519 00:34:48,546 --> 00:34:52,147 and the media to stop fighting and start collaborating. 520 00:34:52,187 --> 00:34:53,667 But... 521 00:34:53,707 --> 00:34:55,826 if you fuck me on this, 522 00:34:55,866 --> 00:35:00,067 I will see to it that every officer from CID to peach-fuzz PC 523 00:35:00,107 --> 00:35:03,371 knows that Jonathan Hill is not a man to be trusted. 524 00:35:10,742 --> 00:35:11,943 Boss... 525 00:35:15,262 --> 00:35:17,063 What the fuck are those? 526 00:35:17,103 --> 00:35:18,861 Professional portrait photos. 527 00:35:18,862 --> 00:35:20,983 They had them done in 1978 528 00:35:21,023 --> 00:35:24,095 after he won all that money on the Spot The Ball. 529 00:35:26,423 --> 00:35:27,781 Those teeth don't look real. 530 00:35:27,782 --> 00:35:30,622 They're the only two photographs Huntsman found in the whole house. 531 00:35:30,623 --> 00:35:32,821 I've done a lot of evidence recovery in my time. 532 00:35:32,822 --> 00:35:34,422 Two photos in a family home? 533 00:35:34,423 --> 00:35:36,262 - It's not right. - Mm. 534 00:35:36,302 --> 00:35:39,950 - Together, but apart. - And their son nowhere to be seen. 535 00:35:57,182 --> 00:35:59,943 You've been the model prisoner, Mr Cooper. 536 00:35:59,983 --> 00:36:02,181 How confident are you that you can maintain 537 00:36:02,182 --> 00:36:05,663 this change for the better in the outside world? 538 00:36:05,702 --> 00:36:07,463 100%, your honour. 539 00:36:07,503 --> 00:36:11,143 One of the offences involved violence towards a woman. 540 00:36:11,182 --> 00:36:13,302 What can you say to reassure us 541 00:36:13,342 --> 00:36:16,662 that you no longer pose a threat to the female members of the community? 542 00:36:16,663 --> 00:36:18,796 I'm not the same man that I was. 543 00:36:18,822 --> 00:36:21,289 The love and the loyalty of my wife... 544 00:36:22,862 --> 00:36:24,663 ...has helped me with that. 545 00:36:24,702 --> 00:36:27,102 Your wife has been a regular visitor. 546 00:36:28,143 --> 00:36:31,423 But your son, Adrian, hasn't visited you once. 547 00:36:33,382 --> 00:36:36,022 I haven't been the best father, I'll admit that. 548 00:36:36,023 --> 00:36:39,671 Although, I do plan to make it up to him, if he'll let me. 549 00:36:39,822 --> 00:36:42,222 I'm 62, Adrian is nearly 40, 550 00:36:42,262 --> 00:36:43,423 so... 551 00:36:45,023 --> 00:36:48,479 Craig says that a man is never too old to want his dad. 552 00:36:50,862 --> 00:36:52,862 AGJ/28. 553 00:36:52,902 --> 00:36:55,302 "AGJ/28"... 554 00:36:57,063 --> 00:36:59,782 - That's rejected. - Negative for DNA. 555 00:36:59,822 --> 00:37:01,742 AGJ/39. 556 00:37:01,782 --> 00:37:03,423 "AGJ/39"... 557 00:37:05,943 --> 00:37:08,221 - That's rejected, too. - Negative for DNA. 558 00:37:08,222 --> 00:37:11,622 Is it just me, or is this beginning to look a bit bloody hopeless? 559 00:37:11,623 --> 00:37:13,262 DC Rowe... 560 00:37:13,302 --> 00:37:15,062 if we can't keep the faith, 561 00:37:15,063 --> 00:37:18,142 we have no right representing the victims or their families. 562 00:37:18,143 --> 00:37:19,423 Sorry, boss. 563 00:37:19,463 --> 00:37:20,901 - Momentary lapse. - All right. 564 00:37:20,902 --> 00:37:22,782 Yeah, thanks. 565 00:37:24,103 --> 00:37:26,262 - Boss... - Yeah? 566 00:37:26,302 --> 00:37:28,423 Cooper's been granted parole. 567 00:37:28,463 --> 00:37:30,382 That was Dyffryn Prison. 568 00:37:30,423 --> 00:37:34,135 They've no idea who they're dealing with. He's played them. 569 00:37:39,757 --> 00:37:45,318 John Cooper is the prime suspect in a major crime review. 570 00:37:46,918 --> 00:37:51,117 I am requesting his release on parole be revoked. 571 00:37:53,557 --> 00:37:55,757 Well, what's the crime? 572 00:37:55,798 --> 00:37:58,197 I can't share that information. 573 00:37:58,237 --> 00:38:01,477 Well, clearly, you don't have a case, or you'd be charging him. 574 00:38:01,478 --> 00:38:05,878 Cooper is a dangerous man. That is a matter of public record. 575 00:38:05,918 --> 00:38:07,798 People change. 576 00:38:07,838 --> 00:38:09,477 That's a matter of rehabilitation. 577 00:38:09,478 --> 00:38:13,677 I'm sure your client can be very agreeable when it suits him. 578 00:38:13,717 --> 00:38:16,997 Your timing is not convenient, Superintendent Wilkins. 579 00:38:16,998 --> 00:38:20,902 Can you at least give us a date when you expect to charge him? 580 00:38:21,838 --> 00:38:22,997 Not at present. 581 00:38:22,998 --> 00:38:26,838 But in the meantime, John's rights can just go hang? 582 00:38:26,878 --> 00:38:29,278 The safety of the public comes first. 583 00:38:30,157 --> 00:38:32,090 I think we all agree on that. 584 00:38:56,197 --> 00:38:58,730 Although we've got a stay of execution, 585 00:38:58,757 --> 00:39:02,341 he's guaranteed another parole hearing within 3-6 months. 586 00:39:02,358 --> 00:39:05,037 If, by then, Dr Gallop and her team still haven't found 587 00:39:05,038 --> 00:39:08,237 our golden nugget, he'll be released. 588 00:39:08,277 --> 00:39:10,437 But we're not gonna let that happen. 589 00:39:10,438 --> 00:39:13,077 It's time to send Cooper a message. 590 00:39:16,597 --> 00:39:18,038 Good evening. 591 00:39:18,077 --> 00:39:20,797 Organisers say we're on the eve of the biggest industrial dispute 592 00:39:20,798 --> 00:39:23,518 since the national strike of 1926. 593 00:39:23,557 --> 00:39:24,997 So, what's it all about, 594 00:39:24,998 --> 00:39:27,798 and how will it affect you and your family? 595 00:39:32,998 --> 00:39:34,597 - Cheers. - Cheers. 596 00:39:41,998 --> 00:39:43,636 We think one man did all four murders 597 00:39:43,637 --> 00:39:46,197 and we need your help to catch him. 598 00:39:46,237 --> 00:39:47,837 I want to make a personal televised 599 00:39:47,838 --> 00:39:50,317 appeal for information on the evening news. 600 00:39:50,318 --> 00:39:52,116 Do you think you'll get anything useful? 601 00:39:52,117 --> 00:39:54,237 It's a smokescreen. 602 00:39:54,277 --> 00:39:55,957 We're going to interview the suspect. 603 00:39:55,958 --> 00:39:59,276 I want to use the appeal to send a message to him in advance. 604 00:39:59,277 --> 00:40:02,037 Plant something in his brain, make him good and paranoid. 605 00:40:02,038 --> 00:40:04,276 We're reinvestigating the cases and we... 606 00:40:04,277 --> 00:40:07,285 are confident we'll catch the culprit using DNA. 607 00:40:08,157 --> 00:40:09,556 Have you found something? 608 00:40:09,557 --> 00:40:11,117 No. 609 00:40:11,157 --> 00:40:12,797 But he doesn't know that. 610 00:40:12,798 --> 00:40:15,317 And who better than the killer to help us refine our search? 611 00:40:15,318 --> 00:40:17,757 Handled right, liars have a way of 612 00:40:17,798 --> 00:40:20,331 telling you more than is good for them. 613 00:40:21,438 --> 00:40:23,636 OK, I'm on board, but just one thing, 614 00:40:23,637 --> 00:40:25,957 how can you be sure he'll be watching when you need him to? 615 00:40:25,958 --> 00:40:28,197 He's a creature of habit. 616 00:40:28,237 --> 00:40:32,438 I have it on good authority that he never misses Wales Tonight. 617 00:40:45,038 --> 00:40:46,438 Ta. 618 00:40:48,838 --> 00:40:50,638 About the news thing, boss. 619 00:40:51,478 --> 00:40:54,236 Are you gonna mention the kids? Nolton Hill? 620 00:40:54,237 --> 00:40:55,717 Definitely not. 621 00:40:56,958 --> 00:40:59,397 Why upset them when we don't even know if the CPS 622 00:40:59,398 --> 00:41:02,198 will include the offence on the indictment? 623 00:41:07,478 --> 00:41:11,126 There is someone who we should give a heads-up to, though. 624 00:41:41,677 --> 00:41:43,544 - Who is it? - Andrew Cooper? 625 00:41:44,637 --> 00:41:46,837 - Who wants to know? - The police. 626 00:41:53,277 --> 00:41:54,597 ID. 627 00:41:59,157 --> 00:42:00,878 Thank you. 628 00:42:03,197 --> 00:42:05,918 You're not an easy man to track down. 629 00:42:05,958 --> 00:42:09,030 We were looking for an Adrian, not Andrew Cooper. 630 00:42:10,157 --> 00:42:11,517 I get that a lot. 631 00:42:11,518 --> 00:42:13,037 Why did you change your name? 632 00:42:15,557 --> 00:42:17,197 Why are you here? 633 00:42:18,398 --> 00:42:21,397 We thought we should let you know that we are... 634 00:42:21,398 --> 00:42:23,716 investigating the possibility that your father 635 00:42:23,717 --> 00:42:27,037 may have been involved in other, more serious crimes. 636 00:42:27,038 --> 00:42:29,317 We're going to make a public appeal for information. 637 00:42:29,318 --> 00:42:32,454 I don't like people referring to him as my father. 638 00:42:34,358 --> 00:42:35,838 OK, I'm sorry. 639 00:42:35,878 --> 00:42:38,197 What would you prefer? 640 00:42:38,237 --> 00:42:39,518 His name. 641 00:42:41,597 --> 00:42:43,037 What other crimes? 642 00:42:44,518 --> 00:42:45,878 Four murders. 643 00:42:45,918 --> 00:42:48,237 Scoveston Park and Coastal Path. 644 00:42:51,438 --> 00:42:54,830 I'm not getting dragged back into all that shit again. 645 00:42:55,157 --> 00:42:57,424 I told Huntsman everything I know. 646 00:43:00,757 --> 00:43:02,236 He's got his father's eyes. 647 00:43:02,237 --> 00:43:03,636 Yeah, I clocked that. 648 00:43:03,637 --> 00:43:05,957 Why do you think he only changed his first name? 649 00:43:05,958 --> 00:43:08,156 If you wanna lie low, you change your surname. 650 00:43:08,157 --> 00:43:10,156 Maybe it wasn't about lying low. 651 00:43:10,157 --> 00:43:14,125 He changed his name in 1998, the same year Cooper was put away. 652 00:43:14,157 --> 00:43:16,116 Maybe it was about starting again. 653 00:43:16,117 --> 00:43:17,878 A new name, a new life. 654 00:43:17,918 --> 00:43:20,276 Doesn't look like that's working out too well for him. 655 00:43:20,277 --> 00:43:23,477 - The poor guy's a wreck. - And then we come along. 656 00:44:04,557 --> 00:44:06,438 - Are you OK? - Yeah. 657 00:44:06,478 --> 00:44:07,478 Mm-hm. 658 00:44:09,398 --> 00:44:12,198 It's just you and me having a conversation. 659 00:44:13,358 --> 00:44:14,518 Yeah. 660 00:44:15,518 --> 00:44:18,526 In front of a few hundred thousand people, live. 661 00:44:23,237 --> 00:44:25,518 You know, in my first year at uni, 662 00:44:25,557 --> 00:44:28,477 me and some of my mates went camping near here. 663 00:44:28,478 --> 00:44:31,486 It was July 1989. It was just after the murders. 664 00:44:33,038 --> 00:44:35,597 We saw all the police activity. 665 00:44:35,637 --> 00:44:37,157 The wanted posters. 666 00:44:38,358 --> 00:44:39,478 It was scary. 667 00:44:41,318 --> 00:44:42,918 Fascinating as well. 668 00:44:44,478 --> 00:44:47,614 It's what made me want to become a crime reporter. 669 00:44:49,958 --> 00:44:51,237 Good to go? 670 00:44:52,358 --> 00:44:54,038 - Let's do it. - Yeah. 671 00:45:14,398 --> 00:45:16,357 Good evening. We are live in Pembrokeshire, 672 00:45:16,358 --> 00:45:18,556 where there have been dramatic developments 673 00:45:18,557 --> 00:45:20,997 in two of Wales's most baffling crimes - 674 00:45:20,998 --> 00:45:23,477 the murders of Richard and Helen Thomas, 675 00:45:23,478 --> 00:45:25,156 and Peter and Gwenda Dixon. 676 00:45:25,157 --> 00:45:26,958 And now, decades on, 677 00:45:26,998 --> 00:45:29,676 these two double murders are being reinvestigated. 678 00:45:29,677 --> 00:45:31,716 Detective Superintendent Steve Wilkins 679 00:45:31,717 --> 00:45:34,998 is the man leading this reinvestigation. 680 00:45:35,038 --> 00:45:38,196 Developments in DNA analysis have revolutionised cold case reviews. 681 00:45:38,197 --> 00:45:40,636 As a team, we have brought these processes to bear 682 00:45:40,637 --> 00:45:42,116 on these two investigations 683 00:45:42,117 --> 00:45:44,757 and they have had a significant impact. 684 00:45:44,798 --> 00:45:48,156 We believe that somebody watching this programme tonight 685 00:45:48,157 --> 00:45:50,797 may know who is responsible for these terrible crimes. 686 00:45:50,798 --> 00:45:52,196 And I'm appealing to them, 687 00:45:52,197 --> 00:45:54,397 for the sake of the victims and their families, 688 00:45:54,398 --> 00:45:55,957 to please come forward. 689 00:45:55,958 --> 00:45:58,156 And do you think it's the same local man 690 00:45:58,157 --> 00:45:59,877 responsible for all four murders? 691 00:45:59,878 --> 00:46:01,517 I do believe that, Jonathan. 692 00:46:01,518 --> 00:46:04,357 Thanks to the advances in DNA forensic science, 693 00:46:04,358 --> 00:46:05,917 we are now in a much stronger position 694 00:46:05,918 --> 00:46:08,051 to catch the person responsible. 50270

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