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Ancient texts nearly
erased from history.
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Shocking revelations
from eyewitness accounts.
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And forbidden knowledge
that could forever change
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our very notion of god.
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To billions of faithful
around the world,
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the bible is the single most
important document
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in human history.
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Its contents are believed
to be authoritative,
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infallible and unquestionable.
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The word of god.
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But is it possible that
the bible we've been reading
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for thousands of years
has been compromised
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by everything from
flawed translations
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to conflicting religious
agendas?
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Well, that is what
we'll try and find out.
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according to scholars,
the book known as the bible
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began as a series of stories
that were first written down
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thousands of years ago.
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But given the fact
that these stories
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have been continuing,
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subjected to centuries
of editing, translation
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and reinterpretation,
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just who was the bible's
original author,
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and how close are today's
versions of it
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to the original texts?
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Many people would
take it on faith
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that the text that
they're reading,
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the received tradition
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is actually somehow
inspired by god.
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And the hebrew bible
is ascribed...
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At least the torah portion...
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Is ascribed to moses.
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And then other prophets
wrote their prophetic books,
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but this old testament
was written over a very
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long period of time
by multiple different people.
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Shatner:
As far as the faithful
are concerned,
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the bible was inspired
and authored
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not by man, but by god.
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But even if that's true,
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is there any way to prove it?
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Qumran. The british mandate
of palestine. 1946.
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In the arid hills along
the northwest shores
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of the dead sea,
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a bedouin shepherd tending
his flock stumbles upon
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a long-lost cave.
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Once inside, he makes an
incredible discovery.
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A number of sand-covered clay
jars, each containing
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numerous scrolls of parchment
and papyrus written in hebrew,
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aramaic and greek,
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and each more than
2,000 years old.
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The ancient texts contain
fragments of all but one
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of the 39 books
of the old testament,
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and eventually come to be known
as the dead sea scrolls.
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The most significant
archeological discovery
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of the 20th century,
in fact of modern times,
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has been the dead sea scrolls.
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This was a collection
of writings that was produced
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by a group of jews
living in about the same time
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and about the same place
as jesus himself.
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With the discovery
of the dead sea scrolls,
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scholars got a glimpse
of actual biblical texts...
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Hand-written texts that were
a thousand years older
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than the previously oldest text
that we had.
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Shatner:
Of the 972 manuscripts
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that make up
the dead sea scrolls,
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many contradict what is found
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in more modern versions
of the bible.
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These discrepancies have left
generations of scholars
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and theologians
scratching their heads,
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and have also invited some to
question whether the holy book
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is the work of god or man.
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One thing that came clear
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when the dead sea scrolls
were discovered is
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there is not just
one textual tradition.
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For example, in cave 1,
where the great isaiah scroll
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was discovered, this almost
perfectly-preserved scroll
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contains all 66 chapters
of the book of isaiah
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and is virtually identical
to the text of isaiah
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that we have in our english
translations of the bible today.
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However, there was
a second scroll of isaiah
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found in the same cave
that represents almost
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an entirely different edition
of the book
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than what we have in our bibles.
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And scholars today have to look
at these little fragments
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and say,
"which one is more authentic?"
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which is a hard question.
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Shatner:
One of the reasons
the bible's origins
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remain a mystery
isn't merely a matter of who
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or how many people wrote it,
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but what language
it was originally written in.
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Cargill:
One of the secrets among
scholars and those who do
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the study of ancient language
and the translation
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is that there wasn't a lot
of punctuation in hebrew,
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and many greek manuscripts,
there weren't spaces.
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So the classic example
is the phrase,
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"god is now here,"
or "god is nowhere."
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if you write
all those letters together,
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you don't know whether the text
is saying "god is now here"
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or "god is nowhere."
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depending on how you
break up the word "now here"
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or "nowhere,"
that says the opposite.
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I mean it's, is god here,
or is he not?
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And depending on how you break
that word up, it's a big deal.
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Shatner:
As if questions
of mistranslation
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aren't confusing enough,
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we also know that
for more than 1,000 years,
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the official bible was one
that had been translated
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into yet another language.
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A language that most people
couldn't even read:
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Latin.
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The roman catholic church
wanted the latin bible
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to be the bible, and the idea
of putting the bible
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into a vernacular language so
an average person could read it
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was strictly forbidden.
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The church wanted to
keep control
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over the message of the bible.
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And so there was
an official translation
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that was the only one
that was to be used,
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and the priests were the ones
that were to do
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the interpretation and so forth.
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(indistinct chatter)
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shatner:
Even as late as 16th century,
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possession of an unlicensed
bible carried a death sentence.
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In 1536, english scholar
and linguist william tyndale
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was executed for the crime
of translating the bible
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from the vulgate,
or the traditional latin,
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into english.
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But all this changed
when the english monarch
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king henry viii became
embroiled in a bitter battle
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with pope clement vii
over the king's request
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for an annulment
to the king's marriage
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to queen catherine of aragon.
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Henry's desire
to take on a new wife
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would eventually
lead to a break with rome
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and the creation
of the church of England.
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Cargill:
As different countries,
different kings came to power,
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they needed the blessing
of the pope at the vatican
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to do certain things, like,
for instance, get divorced.
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And when the pope said no,
there were some,
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like henry viii, who said,
"you know what?
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"I'm gonna form my own church,
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"and we're gonna
have our own clergy
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"and our own hierarchy,
and we're gonna use the bible
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as the foundation of it, and
we're gonna do our own thing."
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shatner:
In 1539, henry viii
commissioned the publication
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of what was then called
the great bible.
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Translated into english,
it contained much
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that was nearly identical
to the tyndale translation,
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minus some of that version's
more controversial passages.
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Lori anne ferrell:
And in 1539, henry brings out,
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with his picture
on the title page, a bible
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that has been commissioned
by him,
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and it's called the great bible,
or the king's bible.
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It shows the king
in what we think of
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as the prime real estate place
of a title page:
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Top and center.
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And he is holding out copies
of the translated bible
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to his statesmen on one side
and his churchmen on the other.
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And they are receiving it,
some of them on their knees.
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So it is definitely
a portrait of power.
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And after him, all monarchs
want their own bible in England.
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Ehrman:
We know these books have
discrepancies in them
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and contradictions
among themselves.
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They are at odds
with one another.
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They're not
disinterested history
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the way we would
think of it today.
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These authors
had a goal in mind.
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They had an agenda.
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And they included
only those stories
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that made their point.
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There comes a point
when you realize
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that interpretation
is nine-tenths of the law.
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But if you believe
that the bible is inerrant,
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infallible,
the verbatim word of god,
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that causes a problem.
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Because now we have to ask
what did god really say?
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Shatner:
While the stories of the bible
may have been divinely inspired,
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it seems that the book
we read today has more of
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man's fingerprints on it
than god's.
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So, if this is the case,
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how can one know
which is the true word of god?
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Perhaps for the answer,
it's best to search
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not within the pages
of the bible,
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but outside of them,
in the pages
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of the parts of the bible
that were edited out.
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Shatner:
It is estimated that
100 million bibles
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are printed and purchased
every year,
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all across the world.
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But not all bibles are the same.
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The most obvious difference,
of course,
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is that judaism only recognizes
what christians refer to
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as the old testament.
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But even christians
use different versions
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of the old and new testaments.
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These vary not only in language
and translation,
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but in terms of what is included
and what is not.
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For example,
most protestant bibles,
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including the king james
version,
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contain 66 books.
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The catholic bible includes 73.
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But the bible of the ethiopian
orthodox church,
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a christian denomination of
36 million followers in africa,
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has 81.
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One of the secrets
of ancient christianity
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is that different ethnic
and religious groups
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had different bibles.
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So, there are different groups,
like the coptics
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or the ethiopian church.
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They actually have
some of these inspired books,
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whereas other groups do not.
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So we shouldn't just ask which
version of the bible is correct,
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but it's which collection
of biblical books is correct.
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Shatner:
To be included in the official
version of the bible,
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or canon,
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a book must be considered
to be divinely inspired.
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The word of god.
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But just who decides?
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Mcgowan:
There were a group of men
with specific agendas
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determining what would
and what would not become canon.
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And this agenda
was about preserving
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the power of the church.
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The agenda here
is politics and economics.
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It's not spirituality.
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Ariel tzadok:
It is well-known
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that there's certain numbers
of texts
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which are just not made
available to the public.
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Some are actually denied
to even exist,
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but most are said
to be secret knowledge.
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Why? What is so secret?
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What is being concealed?
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Shatner:
Until the mid-1800s,
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many early bibles...
Even the king james version...
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Contained a number of books
that have since been edited out.
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These are known
as the apocrypha.
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Ehrman: The word "apocrypha"
literally means
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"hidden things."
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and so, these are books
that allegedly were providing
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hidden or secret teachings.
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But the term "apocrypha"
came to mean books
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that were not accepted
as part of the official canon.
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Cargill:
There was a council that would
say, "this is the tradition,
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this is the proper
interpretation, this is how
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you should interpret
the scripture."
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so any book that contradicts
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what they've already decided
to believe gets cast out.
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Shatner:
But of all the apocrypha
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or hidden books of the bible,
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one book in particular...
The book of enoch...
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Is considered so controversial
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that many believe
it was deliberately omitted
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because of its bizarre
and outrageous contents.
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Ironically,
the character of enoch
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does appear
in the old testament,
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but only as a devoted follower
of god,
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one who lived hundreds of years
before the great flood.
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Tzadok:
Who was this enoch?
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What's so peculiar about him?
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Because the bible
says about him,
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"that he walked with god
and was not,
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for god had taken him."
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taken him where?
Where did he go?
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The majority of traditions
say he was taken to heaven.
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Cargill:
Enoch is the only one in heaven
allowed to sit along with god,
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and he reveals information
to humanity.
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Shatner:
Believed to have been written
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sometime between
300 bc and 10 bc,
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the book of enoch
was traditionally thought
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to have been authored
by enoch himself,
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in order to share
secret knowledge
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given to him by god.
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Enoch was
an incredibly popular book
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in the time leading up to
the formation of christianity.
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In fact, we know that whoever
wrote the gospel of matthew
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very likely knew
about the book of enoch
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because there are
certain languages
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that we see
in the gospel of matthew
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and nowhere else
in the new testament.
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Of all the secret texts,
I think that the book of enoch
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in many ways
is the most forbidden.
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Shatner:
At some time
before the fourth century,
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the book of enoch was excluded
from the hebrew version
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of the bible,
and became discredited
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by all but two
early christian churches.
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But why?
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Could there be clues
in the text itself?
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Enoch becomes this seer
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who gives all kinds
of later prophecies to jews.
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He predicts the end
of the world.
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He predicts the coming
of the messiah.
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But one of the things he does
is he elaborates
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this story of the giants.
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Shatner:
According to the book of enoch,
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the giants, or watchers,
were a group of renegade angels
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sent to earth to guard man
more than 5,000 years ago.
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But instead of protecting
the human race,
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they lusted after women
and corrupted mankind.
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Martin:
The watchers mate
with human women.
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But also what the watchers do
is they teach women
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all kinds of forbidden arts,
such as cosmetics.
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So, makeup comes
from the evil watchers
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who taught women
how to make up their faces.
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Mcgowan:
The book of enoch
is a real conundrum
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because this idea
that the rebellious angels
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have a power that can rival god
is something
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that is very threatening
to traditional church.
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Shatner:
In the book of enoch,
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the offspring of the watchers
and mortal women
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are described as giant warriors
called nephilim.
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Tzadok:
The watchers came down
and took for themselves
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the daughters of men
and give birth
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to a generation of titans
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called the fallen ones,
nephilim.
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These hybrid
between the watchers
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and the daughters of men
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created tremendous havoc
in the human race.
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Aslan:
The nephilim...
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These are these
grotesque giants.
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They are neither angels
nor people.
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They are described
as monstrous beings.
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And there were apparently
thousands of them
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that populated the earth.
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In fact, there were
so many of them,
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that at a certain point,
god had to destroy
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all of humanity
in order to get rid of them.
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Ehrman:
One of the things that people
don't realize is that
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when god sends the flood
during the days of noah,
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that in one version
of the story,
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is that the reason god
decides to destroy the earth
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is because these nephilim
were on the earth.
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Shatner:
Grotesque giants
attacking humans?
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And the giants, in turn,
being destroyed by god
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in the great flood?
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Was the book of enoch purged
from the standard biblical texts
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because it was considered
too far-fetched?
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Too outrageous?
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Or was it because
it portrayed god
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as a compassionate creator,
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one who forgave
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rather than punished
mankind for its sins?
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Mcgowan:
God is protecting us
in the book of enoch.
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It is a very different god
than the spiteful, wrathful god
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that we see
in the genesis account.
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The church derives
great benefit from having us
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be very, very afraid of god
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and of god wiping us all out
if we're not obedient.
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Shatner:
But if the early editors
of the bible
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intended to purge it
of far-fetched tales
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containing references
to fantastical devices
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and devastating weapons,
then why did they leave in
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what is perhaps the most
audacious story of all?
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One which involves
a man named moses
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and a device so powerful
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it can destroy entire armies...
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The ark of the covenant.
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In the beginning,
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god created the heavens
and the earth.
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He said, "let there be light,"
and there was light.
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Then darkness.
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The firmament, the oceans.
Plants and trees.
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Animals that fly
and slither and swim.
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And last but not least,
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male and female.
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The book of genesis.
It's a nice story, of course.
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One that we're all
undoubtedly familiar with.
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But could it be true?
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Tzadok:
Some people say
that they believe
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that there should
never ever be any conflict
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between science and religion.
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But if we accept genesis
as being historical,
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which according to faith,
of course we do,
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then we need to ask
the other realistic questions:
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How and what really happened?
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Shatner:
While mainstream scientists
are understandably skeptical
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that god, as described in the
old testament book of genesis,
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created the earth and everything
on it in only six days,
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there is surprising evidence
to suggest that
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the second book
of the bible, exodus,
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is based on historical fact.
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Ehrman:
In the book of exodus,
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the, uh, children of israel
have been enslaved in egypt
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and god has told moses
to go and set his people free.
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Moses demands that pharaoh
lets the people free.
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Pharaoh refuses,
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and so god empowers moses to do
plagues against the egyptians,
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and finally the pharaoh relents,
lets the people go.
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James hoffmeier:
Israel's origins
as a slave nation
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is not the sort of thing
people would make up.
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So even many
of the most critical,
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historical scholars
of the bible would say,
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"there's something to this."
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we do know from egyptian
history, both from ancient texts
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and archaeological evidence
through excavations,
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that somewhere around 1700
to 1650 bc,
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there was an influx
of foreigners into egypt.
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They spoke a dialect
very similar to hebrew.
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And when ramesses ii comes along
in the 13th century,
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he decided to move
his base of operations
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to a new city
that he named ramesses,
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pi-ramesses,
the house of ramesses.
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And according
to the book of exodus,
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that's why I would place
this event in the 13th century,
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sort of as they finally get
fed up with years and years
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of being abused and used
to build pharaoh's projects.
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Shatner:
But if the book of exodus
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was based on real events
and people,
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then wouldn't there be some kind
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of physical evidence
left behind...
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A relic of their journey
out of egypt...
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That would validate
this incredible story?
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According to some scholars,
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such a relic
could actually exist:
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The ark of the covenant.
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The ark of the covenant
is probably
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one of the best-kept mysteries
in the world today.
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We know, according
to the biblical description,
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that the commandments
which moses brought down
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from mount sinai
were placed inside the ark.
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As well as a portion
of the manna,
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which they collected
in the desert,
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and aaron's rod,
which had blossomed with almonds
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in the great test of the tribes.
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Tzadok:
It was a box of gold which had
inside it a box of wood.
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And then another box of gold
with a golden cover.
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The ark of the covenant
represents
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the giving of the torah
at sinai from god.
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It's the holiest object
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that ever existed
in the jewish tradition.
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And there are people who,
because their belief
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somehow needs to be palpable
and physical,
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feel as though
if they could see it,
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that would prove god's will
in this world.
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Shatner:
But if the ark of the covenant
was not only real
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but still exists,
where could it be?
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According to the hebrew bible,
the ark was once housed
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inside a secret inner sanctuary
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of king solomon's temple
in jerusalem.
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00:22:13,124 --> 00:22:17,752
But after the temple
was destroyed around 586 bc,
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the whereabouts of the ark
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and its precious contents
became unknown.
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Hoffmeier:
One tradition,
of course, is that
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it was simply destroyed
by the babylonians
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when the temple was burnt and
melted and that's the end of it.
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Mullins: However, because
the ark never showed up again,
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people have often wondered what
really did happen to the ark.
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Shatner:
For centuries, the search
for the ark of the covenant
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has consumed both archaeologists
and bible scholars.
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If it were ever found,
it would not only prove
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that the biblical accounts
in the book of exodus
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were based on historical events,
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it could also unleash
incredible power.
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I'm a great believer
in trying to find out
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as much as we can
archaeologically
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about what happened
in biblical history,
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and the way in which
we can validate it,
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as long as we're
intellectually honest.
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Some things
we'll be able to prove,
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some things we will disprove.
And much we will never know.
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Shatner:
In recent years, some scholars
and theologians have suggested
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that the ark isn't lost,
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but was deliberately hidden.
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Kept away from those
who might wish to exploit
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its awesome power.
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For many, to find a relic
like the ark of the covenant
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is extremely important.
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It was viewed as god's throne,
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and these ideas are most likely
connected to scriptures
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that refer to the ark
being carried into battle
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and the enemies
are scattering before them.
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Tzadok:
It is said that
the ark housed kavod,
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or glory of god.
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Now, this in quote
"glory of god"
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was not something symbolic,
it was something actual,
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something tangible,
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something energetic.
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What are we missing here
in the biblical understanding
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of this mysterious box?
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It was clearly far more
than just a religious icon.
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There was a technology involved,
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and that is what makes the ark,
to this day,
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one of the greatest mysteries
of our history.
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Shatner:
If the ark of the covenant
did, in fact,
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have extraordinary power,
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as described in the bible,
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is it simply too dangerous
to be possessed by man?
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And could that be why
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it has eluded rediscovery
for centuries?
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Perhaps.
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But not all bible mysteries
involve holy relics.
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Some concern people,
490
00:24:53,284 --> 00:24:56,160
including the man
who billions believe
491
00:24:56,245 --> 00:24:59,580
is the son of god.
492
00:25:05,087 --> 00:25:07,922
Shatner:
The ancient kingdom of judah,
493
00:25:08,007 --> 00:25:10,508
more than 2,000 years ago.
494
00:25:10,593 --> 00:25:12,343
It was here,
495
00:25:12,428 --> 00:25:15,596
according to the new testament
gospels of matthew and luke,
496
00:25:15,681 --> 00:25:19,475
that the infant jesus was born
to a young woman named mary
497
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,685
and her husband joseph.
498
00:25:21,771 --> 00:25:23,479
But believe it or not,
499
00:25:23,523 --> 00:25:27,107
the actual year of jesus' birth
remains a mystery.
500
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,779
For centuries, the year 1 ad,
501
00:25:31,864 --> 00:25:34,782
or anno domini,
the year of our lord,
502
00:25:34,867 --> 00:25:36,951
was assumed to be correct.
503
00:25:37,036 --> 00:25:41,205
But recent historical research
suggests otherwise.
504
00:25:42,667 --> 00:25:46,752
Jesus is born somewhere
between 4 and 7 bce,
505
00:25:46,837 --> 00:25:49,380
because herod the great
died in 4 bc
506
00:25:49,465 --> 00:25:52,091
and jesus was born
during herod the great.
507
00:25:52,176 --> 00:25:54,969
So this is one of the secrets
that scholars know
508
00:25:55,054 --> 00:25:56,698
but most people
don't think about.
509
00:25:56,722 --> 00:25:59,473
Those who made the calendar
screwed it up.
510
00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:03,102
They dated the birth
of jesus incorrectly.
511
00:26:03,187 --> 00:26:05,729
And we still live on a calendar
where jesus is actually born
512
00:26:05,773 --> 00:26:07,565
four to seven years bc.
513
00:26:07,650 --> 00:26:11,819
Shatner:
But as one can imagine,
the exact year of jesus' birth
514
00:26:11,904 --> 00:26:15,531
is not the only aspect of his
life that has been debated.
515
00:26:15,575 --> 00:26:17,908
The new testament states
that jesus was born
516
00:26:17,994 --> 00:26:21,787
in the town of bethlehem,
but recently even that
517
00:26:21,872 --> 00:26:26,667
has been questioned by both
historians and theologians.
518
00:26:28,671 --> 00:26:32,006
Pretty much the only thing
that we can be fairly certain of
519
00:26:32,091 --> 00:26:33,674
about jesus' childhood
520
00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:36,969
is that he was born and raised
in the city of nazareth.
521
00:26:37,054 --> 00:26:39,032
It was the only thing
that his followers
522
00:26:39,056 --> 00:26:40,598
and detractors agreed about.
523
00:26:40,683 --> 00:26:43,350
His name was the nazarene.
524
00:26:43,436 --> 00:26:47,021
Shatner:
The fact is, much of what
we know about the life of jesus
525
00:26:47,106 --> 00:26:50,524
comes from the four gospels
of the new testament.
526
00:26:50,610 --> 00:26:53,277
And even though they are
credited to the evangelists
527
00:26:53,362 --> 00:26:56,530
matthew, mark, luke and john,
528
00:26:56,616 --> 00:26:59,283
the gospels may actually
have been written
529
00:26:59,368 --> 00:27:02,202
decades after jesus' death.
530
00:27:05,458 --> 00:27:07,185
We would love
to know answers to, like,
531
00:27:07,209 --> 00:27:08,770
what was jesus like
as a teenager?
532
00:27:08,794 --> 00:27:11,795
And did jesus ever have
any girlfriends?
533
00:27:11,881 --> 00:27:13,066
Did he ever have
any relationships,
534
00:27:13,090 --> 00:27:14,840
anything like that?
535
00:27:14,925 --> 00:27:17,112
The gospels don't really want
to tell us any of that stuff
536
00:27:17,136 --> 00:27:19,281
because they're really
interested in just focusing
537
00:27:19,305 --> 00:27:23,474
on why jesus is who he is
and what he did.
538
00:27:25,436 --> 00:27:30,064
Shatner:
What really happened during
jesus' so-called lost years?
539
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:32,983
Were the accounts
omitted deliberately?
540
00:27:33,027 --> 00:27:34,526
And if so, why?
541
00:27:34,612 --> 00:27:38,947
Well, as it turns out,
closer examination
542
00:27:39,033 --> 00:27:43,535
of the little that the gospels
do say about jesus' early life
543
00:27:43,621 --> 00:27:47,539
reveals some surprising facts.
544
00:27:47,625 --> 00:27:50,668
It's one of the biggest-kept
secrets about jesus,
545
00:27:50,753 --> 00:27:52,836
that he's one of quite
a large family.
546
00:27:52,922 --> 00:27:55,881
We know of at least
four brothers:
547
00:27:55,966 --> 00:27:59,009
James, joses, simon and judas.
548
00:27:59,053 --> 00:28:01,553
We know of at least
a couple of sisters.
549
00:28:01,639 --> 00:28:04,181
It's curious
how they disappear, though.
550
00:28:04,266 --> 00:28:07,434
We don't see
much of them later on.
551
00:28:10,439 --> 00:28:11,917
Shatner:
Perhaps one of the most
controversial
552
00:28:11,941 --> 00:28:15,526
and profound aspects
of the story of jesus
553
00:28:15,611 --> 00:28:17,945
is the belief
that his mother mary
554
00:28:18,030 --> 00:28:21,365
gave birth to him
while still a virgin.
555
00:28:21,409 --> 00:28:24,201
And as audacious
as that may seem,
556
00:28:24,286 --> 00:28:27,955
it is among the very foundations
of the christian faith.
557
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,875
But curiously, the references
to jesus being born of a virgin
558
00:28:31,961 --> 00:28:35,546
can only be found
in two of the gospels:
559
00:28:35,589 --> 00:28:37,589
Matthew and luke.
560
00:28:37,675 --> 00:28:39,800
Wouldn't such a miraculous event
561
00:28:39,885 --> 00:28:43,762
have been recorded
by all four of the evangelists?
562
00:28:43,848 --> 00:28:46,640
Or was it,
as some scholars suggest,
563
00:28:46,726 --> 00:28:49,184
an attempt by some
of jesus' followers
564
00:28:49,270 --> 00:28:52,312
to justify their belief
that he was the fulfillment
565
00:28:52,398 --> 00:28:54,606
of the old testament prophecies,
566
00:28:54,692 --> 00:28:57,609
the hebrew messiah?
567
00:28:57,695 --> 00:29:00,487
The new testament loves
to rely on the prophecies
568
00:29:00,573 --> 00:29:02,406
of-of the prophet isaiah,
569
00:29:02,491 --> 00:29:05,075
uh, for proof, if you will,
570
00:29:05,161 --> 00:29:09,079
of jesus', uh, messiah-ship.
571
00:29:10,875 --> 00:29:13,075
One of the prophecies
that became very popular
572
00:29:13,127 --> 00:29:16,086
was a prophecy
during the-the time of hezekiah.
573
00:29:16,172 --> 00:29:17,816
Jerusalem's under siege,
they don't know
574
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,651
if they're gonna survive,
and isaiah comes up with
575
00:29:19,675 --> 00:29:22,593
a prophecy that says,
"look, behold there's a virgin,
576
00:29:22,678 --> 00:29:25,596
and she will bear a son
and his name will be emmanuel,"
577
00:29:25,639 --> 00:29:27,431
which is "god with us."
578
00:29:27,475 --> 00:29:29,433
the christians come along
579
00:29:29,477 --> 00:29:31,852
and-and take that prophecy
580
00:29:31,937 --> 00:29:33,771
and they reinterpret it.
581
00:29:33,856 --> 00:29:37,608
And they say this prophecy
is actually a reference to mary,
582
00:29:37,693 --> 00:29:39,735
who's a real virgin.
583
00:29:39,820 --> 00:29:43,280
And the son that she's going
to bear is jesus.
584
00:29:45,034 --> 00:29:47,137
And jesus will be the savior
of all mankind,
585
00:29:47,161 --> 00:29:48,847
not just of jerusalem
in the eighth century,
586
00:29:48,871 --> 00:29:50,621
but of all mankind for all time.
587
00:29:52,458 --> 00:29:54,770
Shatner:
Whether you believe
that jesus' virgin birth
588
00:29:54,794 --> 00:29:57,294
was the fulfillment
of a prophecy
589
00:29:57,379 --> 00:30:01,757
or a story created to help
establish his divine origins,
590
00:30:01,842 --> 00:30:05,135
it is one of the key mysteries
of the christian faith.
591
00:30:05,221 --> 00:30:09,556
Just like the question posed by
many academics and theologians:
592
00:30:09,642 --> 00:30:12,726
Did jesus really think
he was the messiah,
593
00:30:12,812 --> 00:30:15,145
the actual son of god?
594
00:30:16,690 --> 00:30:20,609
The question of how jesus
perceived himself
595
00:30:20,694 --> 00:30:23,153
will likely remain
a secret for all time.
596
00:30:23,239 --> 00:30:26,573
Some people argue that jesus
understood himself
597
00:30:26,659 --> 00:30:28,200
to be the son of god.
598
00:30:28,285 --> 00:30:29,952
He knew who he was.
599
00:30:30,037 --> 00:30:32,621
And others, based on the text,
will say, "well, no."
600
00:30:32,706 --> 00:30:35,499
in the gospel of john,
jesus even uses a term
601
00:30:35,584 --> 00:30:37,668
to describe himself
that's, I think,
602
00:30:37,753 --> 00:30:39,294
intentionally ambiguous.
603
00:30:39,380 --> 00:30:41,880
He refers to himself
in the third person
604
00:30:41,966 --> 00:30:43,298
as the "son of man."
605
00:30:43,384 --> 00:30:47,177
well, the secret about
the word "son of man"
606
00:30:47,221 --> 00:30:51,265
is that, in aramaic, it's just
the way that you say "a person."
607
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:53,934
so when jesus uses the phrase
"son of man"
608
00:30:54,019 --> 00:30:55,477
as a self-description,
609
00:30:55,563 --> 00:30:58,522
you don't know whether
he's just saying himself
610
00:30:58,607 --> 00:31:01,191
or whether he's actually
making a messianic claim.
611
00:31:01,277 --> 00:31:03,964
Shatner:
Although many details
of jesus' life
612
00:31:03,988 --> 00:31:07,823
remain unverified by history,
one fact is certain:
613
00:31:07,908 --> 00:31:12,452
He was a charismatic teacher
and prophet.
614
00:31:12,538 --> 00:31:14,830
Cargill:
If we read the biblical text,
615
00:31:14,915 --> 00:31:17,291
jesus created a great following
616
00:31:17,376 --> 00:31:18,917
because he performed miracles.
617
00:31:19,003 --> 00:31:21,211
He did magic deeds.
618
00:31:22,298 --> 00:31:24,423
He caused the blind to see.
619
00:31:24,508 --> 00:31:26,049
He was a healer.
620
00:31:26,093 --> 00:31:29,469
At the end of the day,
jesus was kind to those in need.
621
00:31:29,555 --> 00:31:31,889
He loved those who needed help,
622
00:31:31,974 --> 00:31:34,516
who no one else would love.
623
00:31:34,602 --> 00:31:38,186
At the wedding of cana,
jesus turns the water into wine.
624
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:40,480
And he doesn't just turn it
into any wine.
625
00:31:40,566 --> 00:31:43,066
He turns it into the best wine.
626
00:31:43,152 --> 00:31:45,903
So this is jesus'
first public miracle.
627
00:31:45,988 --> 00:31:49,114
And once he comes forward
with his first miracle,
628
00:31:49,199 --> 00:31:50,782
the floodgates really open.
629
00:31:50,868 --> 00:31:52,743
The ministry has begun.
630
00:31:52,828 --> 00:31:56,955
Jesus has arrived
and he is the messiah
631
00:31:57,041 --> 00:31:58,206
and the miracle worker.
632
00:31:58,292 --> 00:32:00,751
Shatner:
But did the miracles of jesus,
633
00:32:00,836 --> 00:32:03,587
as reported in the gospels,
really happen?
634
00:32:03,672 --> 00:32:05,797
For instance,
did he really raise
635
00:32:05,883 --> 00:32:08,800
a man called lazarus
from the dead
636
00:32:08,886 --> 00:32:11,178
and feed 5,000 people
637
00:32:11,263 --> 00:32:14,514
with only two small fish
and five loaves of bread?
638
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,809
Perhaps the answer
can be found by examining
639
00:32:17,895 --> 00:32:21,063
what are referred to
as the lost gospels,
640
00:32:21,148 --> 00:32:24,358
a collection of writings
that were supposedly authored
641
00:32:24,443 --> 00:32:28,612
by people who witnessed
jesus' life firsthand.
642
00:32:37,873 --> 00:32:39,976
Shatner:
A group of farmers
tilling their fields
643
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,626
unearth a clay jar.
644
00:32:42,670 --> 00:32:46,046
It contains more than 50
biblical scrolls
645
00:32:46,131 --> 00:32:48,423
dating back
to the third century ad,
646
00:32:48,467 --> 00:32:50,467
making them even older
647
00:32:50,511 --> 00:32:53,428
than the books
of the so-called new testament.
648
00:32:53,514 --> 00:32:57,474
Instead, these texts are
supposedly firsthand accounts
649
00:32:57,559 --> 00:33:00,268
written by friends
and followers of jesus,
650
00:33:00,312 --> 00:33:04,356
and were worshipped as fact
by a relatively obscure group
651
00:33:04,441 --> 00:33:08,986
of ancient christians
known as the gnostics.
652
00:33:09,071 --> 00:33:12,197
Gnosticism comes
from a direct oral tradition
653
00:33:12,282 --> 00:33:14,658
that is passed down
from the early christians
654
00:33:14,743 --> 00:33:18,328
and evolves separately from
the institutionalized church.
655
00:33:18,414 --> 00:33:22,332
And there's the tradition
that the gnostics have teachings
656
00:33:22,418 --> 00:33:24,167
that come directly from jesus
657
00:33:24,253 --> 00:33:27,796
through apostles,
followers, even family,
658
00:33:27,881 --> 00:33:30,507
who come from jesus.
659
00:33:30,551 --> 00:33:32,570
"gnostic" comes
from the word "gnosis,"
660
00:33:32,594 --> 00:33:35,804
which means a personal
revelation and experience.
661
00:33:35,889 --> 00:33:38,390
And when we look
at those texts today,
662
00:33:38,475 --> 00:33:41,435
we see secret learning,
663
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,520
secret teachings.
664
00:33:44,732 --> 00:33:46,690
Shatner:
Secret teachings,
665
00:33:46,734 --> 00:33:50,068
directly from jesus himself,
666
00:33:50,154 --> 00:33:52,571
passed down through
his closest followers
667
00:33:52,656 --> 00:33:54,676
and potentially giving us
a firsthand account
668
00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:57,200
of jesus' life and deeds?
669
00:33:57,244 --> 00:33:59,411
One might think such gospels
670
00:33:59,496 --> 00:34:02,247
would be held in high regard
by the church.
671
00:34:02,332 --> 00:34:06,793
But, in fact,
it was quite the opposite.
672
00:34:06,879 --> 00:34:10,213
When I first encountered what
are called the gnostic gospels,
673
00:34:10,257 --> 00:34:12,617
we were all surprised
that there were so many gospels
674
00:34:12,676 --> 00:34:14,636
that weren't
in the new testament.
675
00:34:15,846 --> 00:34:17,657
Cargill: The reason
that a lot of these books
676
00:34:17,681 --> 00:34:20,807
didn't make it into the bible
is that they weren't congruent
677
00:34:20,893 --> 00:34:24,853
with the core message of
the books that did make it in.
678
00:34:26,106 --> 00:34:27,792
Pagels:
These texts were declared to be
679
00:34:27,816 --> 00:34:30,692
sort of full of errors
and they'll lead you astray.
680
00:34:30,778 --> 00:34:33,320
One famous bishop calls them
an abyss of madness
681
00:34:33,405 --> 00:34:35,072
and blasphemy against christ.
682
00:34:35,115 --> 00:34:37,908
So these were the enemies
of the early church.
683
00:34:37,951 --> 00:34:41,578
And christians thought they must
have horrible things in them.
684
00:34:43,457 --> 00:34:46,500
The penalty for copying
and... Or even keeping
685
00:34:46,585 --> 00:34:48,543
any of the gnostic texts
686
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:51,046
would have been
increasingly severe.
687
00:34:51,131 --> 00:34:54,966
It could have even
led to more severe punishment,
688
00:34:55,052 --> 00:34:57,094
- like torture and death.
- (shouting)
689
00:34:58,597 --> 00:35:00,931
shatner: These lost books
of the new testament
690
00:35:00,974 --> 00:35:03,892
include a number
of so-called gospels,
691
00:35:03,977 --> 00:35:07,687
including the gospel of thomas,
the gospel of philip,
692
00:35:07,773 --> 00:35:11,441
the gospel of the egyptians
and many others.
693
00:35:11,527 --> 00:35:15,612
But just what was it
in these gnostic texts
694
00:35:15,656 --> 00:35:18,990
that made many bible scholars
and clerics reject them
695
00:35:19,076 --> 00:35:23,745
as being not only too
controversial but too dangerous?
696
00:35:23,831 --> 00:35:25,308
Pagels:
The gospels of the new testament
697
00:35:25,332 --> 00:35:27,457
all tell you
how important jesus is.
698
00:35:27,501 --> 00:35:29,793
Jesus is the son of god,
the son of man,
699
00:35:29,878 --> 00:35:32,087
the king of israel, the messiah.
700
00:35:32,172 --> 00:35:35,048
I mean, you name it,
he's somebody very special.
701
00:35:35,134 --> 00:35:37,926
And he's not like you and me.
702
00:35:38,011 --> 00:35:41,096
Now, the gospels of thomas
or phillip,
703
00:35:41,181 --> 00:35:42,909
they say something
quite different.
704
00:35:42,933 --> 00:35:47,269
They say jesus, yes,
he may be speaking divine truth,
705
00:35:47,312 --> 00:35:49,980
but he's really like you and me.
706
00:35:51,358 --> 00:35:53,483
Shatner:
But of all the gnostic gospels,
707
00:35:53,527 --> 00:35:56,736
there is one that many
biblical scholars believe
708
00:35:56,822 --> 00:36:01,324
to be more significant and more
controversial than the rest:
709
00:36:01,368 --> 00:36:03,910
The gospel of mary.
710
00:36:05,622 --> 00:36:07,851
Cargill:
There's a lot of controversy
about mary magdalene.
711
00:36:07,875 --> 00:36:09,894
In the bible,
she's portrayed a certain way.
712
00:36:09,918 --> 00:36:12,038
She's-she's one of the followers
of jesus.
713
00:36:12,087 --> 00:36:14,838
Oftentimes she's described
as a prostitute,
714
00:36:14,882 --> 00:36:18,258
as one who jesus
kind of picked up from obscurity
715
00:36:18,343 --> 00:36:20,510
and made her
one of his followers.
716
00:36:20,554 --> 00:36:23,471
But the gospel of mary
specifically says
717
00:36:23,557 --> 00:36:27,350
that jesus loved mary
more than the other disciples.
718
00:36:27,394 --> 00:36:28,913
In fact, they actually
put that in the mouths
719
00:36:28,937 --> 00:36:30,373
of one of the disciples:
"so don't you know
720
00:36:30,397 --> 00:36:32,856
that he loved her, uh,
more than us?"
721
00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:36,651
shatner:
Although the actual author
of this gospel is unknown
722
00:36:36,737 --> 00:36:38,423
and several pages
of the original text
723
00:36:38,447 --> 00:36:39,779
have never been found,
724
00:36:39,865 --> 00:36:43,366
the text seems to reveal
astonishing details
725
00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:46,369
about mary magdalene's
relationship with jesus.
726
00:36:46,413 --> 00:36:48,955
There are even those
who are convinced that mary
727
00:36:49,041 --> 00:36:52,792
was not only one of jesus'
most devoted followers,
728
00:36:52,878 --> 00:36:55,003
but also perhaps his lover
729
00:36:55,088 --> 00:36:58,048
or even his wife.
730
00:37:00,344 --> 00:37:02,719
Certainly we discover
in the gnostic text
731
00:37:02,804 --> 00:37:04,763
that are many, many references
732
00:37:04,848 --> 00:37:07,265
to jesus' relationship
to mary magdalene.
733
00:37:07,351 --> 00:37:10,518
She is referred to
as his "beloved."
734
00:37:10,604 --> 00:37:13,813
she is referred to
in a sexual manner
735
00:37:13,899 --> 00:37:15,565
in the gnostic gospels.
736
00:37:15,651 --> 00:37:17,776
So not only was jesus married,
737
00:37:17,861 --> 00:37:20,195
but jesus was married
to mary magdalene.
738
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,550
Because jesus was a rabbi,
it would have been required
739
00:37:22,574 --> 00:37:24,241
for jesus to be married.
740
00:37:24,284 --> 00:37:26,512
If jesus were not married,
this would have been something
741
00:37:26,536 --> 00:37:29,579
that would have been remarked
upon and talked about.
742
00:37:29,665 --> 00:37:33,500
And the fact that it is not
is actually one of the things
743
00:37:33,585 --> 00:37:36,044
that proves that jesus
was married,
744
00:37:36,129 --> 00:37:39,506
because it would have been very
normal for him to have been so.
745
00:37:40,801 --> 00:37:43,176
Givens:
Gnosticism was seen as a problem
746
00:37:43,262 --> 00:37:47,430
because there was a core belief
that had to be maintained,
747
00:37:47,516 --> 00:37:50,267
that there were certain
non-negotiable truths
748
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:52,560
that were part
of the christian gospel.
749
00:37:52,646 --> 00:37:55,605
And so if anything was
contradictory to that,
750
00:37:55,691 --> 00:37:58,942
then it needed
to be suppressed or refuted.
751
00:37:58,986 --> 00:38:02,445
Mcgowan:
There is a lot
of gnostic material
752
00:38:02,531 --> 00:38:05,782
that tells us jesus
was married to mary magdalene.
753
00:38:05,826 --> 00:38:09,077
2,000 years of church tradition
is overturned
754
00:38:09,162 --> 00:38:13,415
by the gnostic gospels
because mary magdalene emerges
755
00:38:13,458 --> 00:38:15,333
as a successor of jesus.
756
00:38:15,419 --> 00:38:19,254
Shatner:
Did jesus, the son of god,
757
00:38:19,339 --> 00:38:23,675
really have a wife,
children and descendants?
758
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,428
And if so,
would that contradict the faith
759
00:38:26,513 --> 00:38:28,513
that billions of people
have in him,
760
00:38:28,598 --> 00:38:30,307
or would it confirm it?
761
00:38:30,392 --> 00:38:34,144
Perhaps the answer can be found
by examining how the bible
762
00:38:34,187 --> 00:38:37,314
continues to fascinate people
around the world,
763
00:38:37,399 --> 00:38:40,442
long after it was first written.
764
00:38:44,906 --> 00:38:46,467
Shatner:
Although there
is sufficient evidence
765
00:38:46,491 --> 00:38:49,826
for scholars to conclude
that the bible we read today
766
00:38:49,911 --> 00:38:52,412
is quite different than
the bible people were reading
767
00:38:52,497 --> 00:38:56,666
thousands of years ago,
it doesn't seem to matter.
768
00:38:56,752 --> 00:38:59,294
In spite of centuries
of human tampering,
769
00:38:59,379 --> 00:39:01,546
or perhaps because of it,
770
00:39:01,631 --> 00:39:03,757
the bible is still
the most powerful
771
00:39:03,842 --> 00:39:07,260
and influential book
the world has ever known.
772
00:39:09,222 --> 00:39:11,973
The bible, without a doubt,
is the most important book
773
00:39:12,059 --> 00:39:14,078
in the history
of western civilization.
774
00:39:14,102 --> 00:39:16,644
People read it,
people revere it.
775
00:39:16,730 --> 00:39:20,815
People think of it
as god's word to humankind.
776
00:39:20,901 --> 00:39:24,277
And god had revealed the secrets
that could make sense
777
00:39:24,363 --> 00:39:27,989
of the real meaning of life
and the history of the world.
778
00:39:28,075 --> 00:39:31,951
Aslan:
Why is it that 5,000 years
779
00:39:32,037 --> 00:39:34,412
after these stories were written
780
00:39:34,498 --> 00:39:37,290
we still read them,
we still believe in them?
781
00:39:37,376 --> 00:39:39,501
It's not because they are true,
782
00:39:39,586 --> 00:39:41,753
though many people
believe them as true.
783
00:39:41,838 --> 00:39:44,923
It's because they are
infinitely malleable.
784
00:39:45,008 --> 00:39:47,717
That's the power of scripture,
785
00:39:47,803 --> 00:39:50,845
that it can mean
anything to anyone
786
00:39:50,889 --> 00:39:53,431
depending on the time
in which they live,
787
00:39:53,517 --> 00:39:55,536
depending on the context
in which they live.
788
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,936
Goodacre: One of the reasons
that I think people just
789
00:39:58,021 --> 00:40:00,939
keep going back to the bible
over and over again
790
00:40:01,024 --> 00:40:04,359
is that it's just so full
of these fascinating mysteries,
791
00:40:04,444 --> 00:40:06,444
these fascinating enigmas.
792
00:40:06,530 --> 00:40:09,114
We will never know the answers
to lots of them,
793
00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:11,950
but what we do know
is that it really is a text
794
00:40:12,035 --> 00:40:13,952
that rewards repeated study,
795
00:40:14,037 --> 00:40:17,247
rewards going back to
over and over again.
796
00:40:17,332 --> 00:40:19,290
The bible says
about god himself,
797
00:40:19,376 --> 00:40:21,751
"my thoughts are higher
than your thoughts.
798
00:40:21,795 --> 00:40:23,837
My ways are higher
than your ways."
799
00:40:23,922 --> 00:40:25,733
this is something
people don't understand,
800
00:40:25,757 --> 00:40:28,091
because we come to the bible
from a point of view,
801
00:40:28,176 --> 00:40:30,427
which reads the bible
in a literal way.
802
00:40:30,512 --> 00:40:33,012
But when you actually
look at the greater whole
803
00:40:33,098 --> 00:40:35,473
of all of the stories,
804
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:38,101
it is so beyond the limitations
805
00:40:38,145 --> 00:40:40,186
of that of which
we've understood.
806
00:40:40,272 --> 00:40:43,000
Cargill:
Look, the bible is a powerful,
powerful book,
807
00:40:43,024 --> 00:40:45,316
and it's revered by millions
around the world
808
00:40:45,402 --> 00:40:47,152
in judaism and christianity.
809
00:40:47,237 --> 00:40:49,612
It's a book that gives
tremendous meaning
810
00:40:49,656 --> 00:40:51,197
and tremendous identity
811
00:40:51,283 --> 00:40:54,534
to millions and billions
of people around the world.
812
00:40:54,619 --> 00:40:56,494
In that way, it's alive.
813
00:40:56,580 --> 00:40:59,247
It-it gives life to people.
814
00:40:59,332 --> 00:41:03,042
Wolpe: Every time I read
the bible, I'm struck not only
815
00:41:03,128 --> 00:41:06,379
by the beauty and the depth
of its stories,
816
00:41:06,465 --> 00:41:09,090
but by the way
that it gives me access,
817
00:41:09,176 --> 00:41:11,050
in my own life,
818
00:41:11,136 --> 00:41:13,261
to whatever it is that god is.
819
00:41:13,346 --> 00:41:17,140
And so, I read it not only
'cause it captivates my mind,
820
00:41:17,184 --> 00:41:19,225
but it elevates my spirit.
821
00:41:19,311 --> 00:41:22,562
And I know from the fact
that it is still with us,
822
00:41:22,647 --> 00:41:25,940
and has been read all over the
world for thousands of years,
823
00:41:26,026 --> 00:41:28,985
that in that feeling,
I am not alone.
824
00:41:30,780 --> 00:41:34,407
Does the bible continue
to inspire billions of people
825
00:41:34,493 --> 00:41:37,410
around the world not because
of the answers it provides
826
00:41:37,496 --> 00:41:41,372
but because of the questions
it inspires us to ask?
827
00:41:41,458 --> 00:41:44,000
Questions about
what many believe to be
828
00:41:44,044 --> 00:41:47,295
its inconsistencies
and contradictions.
829
00:41:47,380 --> 00:41:49,130
Questions about life
830
00:41:49,174 --> 00:41:53,801
and humankind's unique place
in the universe.
831
00:41:53,887 --> 00:41:58,264
Questions that may forever
remain unexplained.
832
00:41:58,350 --> 00:42:01,351
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