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-I think it's at least double
what it's been in the past,
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and as we expected,
there's a new militancy
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in the gay movement
and it's here today.
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-To each his own, you know?
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I ain't prejudice or
nothing like that,
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but when they come
in the streets
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and messing with
normal people, then
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that's something different.
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-I'm surprised to see so
many women in the parade.
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After all, you can recognize
the men more or less.
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But from looking
at the women, there
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must be an awful lot
that we don't know about.
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-I have two beautiful
children, both boys,
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seven and nine years old.
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If they grow up to
be gay, I'll love
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them as much as I love them now.
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-I think they're nuts.
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-Well, we have the fight
for what's right on earth.
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And we're here, we want to
help the homosexuals to live
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the right way, the way Christ
tells, the way of the Bible.
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We're sympathetic, we
understand they have a problem.
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But we want them to
be cured, we don't
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want them to go
on living in sin.
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-Gay people are learning that
they are oppressed no matter
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what their jobs are, what
their roles are in society.
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That when there are laws
passed against gays,
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they're passed against all gays.
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-We represent the Human
Life Amendment group,
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we're fighting abortion.
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Life supported Anita Bryant,
so that's exactly how I feel.
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I'm not for gay rights.
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-As far as you can see, honey,
it's all the way back there.
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We got it together this year.
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No more gay county for
us, honey, no more.
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-This act discriminates
the men certain jobs.
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Just like heterosexual
who might molest a child,
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he will be discriminated
for minding my children.
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Gays rape children.
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Gays are in the Porty Authority
picking up boys and girls
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all the time.
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-They got to do more
than just come out
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when it's easy like
this on gay day.
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This is a sign of gay power.
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What we can do if
we all get together.
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We still really do this,
we got to do it more often.
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-I think it's disgusting.
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If they want to
live that way fine,
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but why push it down my throat?
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-The only way sometimes
you can get certain rights
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is by demonstrating,
and this is probably
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the best way to demonstrate.
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-I'm seventy years old
and when I was growing up,
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I never saw this.
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And thank God, I have
no children of this age
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that I-- that I have that
would see a thing like this.
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-The reason that we're
staying in the Church
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is to protest it's
policies against gay people
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the Archdiocese of
New York especially.
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They've always been
instrumental in defeating
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the gay rights act.
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-We-- we respect man's
rights, but homosexuality is
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condemned by Christ
in the Bible.
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It's unnatural way of living.
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And while God loves
the sinner, he
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abhors the sin of homosexuality.
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It is a sickness and we believe
there's a divine position also.
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There's Christ, and
there's religion.
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And if all young
people, all ages,
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heterosexual and otherwise,
were taught what God wants
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and the way we're
suppose to live.
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But they're not getting
it in the schools today.
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-(CHANTING) Gay rights now!
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Gay rights now!
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Gay rights now!
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-You mind talking?
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-No, I came just because it was
interesting, human interest.
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I'm sympathetic to
the gay movement.
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And that's all.
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-OK.
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-Very interesting people around.
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-Are you having a good time?
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-Sure.
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-Are you angry about what's
been happening to gay people?
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-Angry?
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Yeah, angry.
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But not really vocal
about it I would say.
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-You have an opportunity now.
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Are you gay?
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-No.
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-Do you have any
curiosity about it?
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-Yeah, naturally.
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-You think most people do?
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-I think most people do
in one way or another.
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I have a lot of gay friends.
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-Well, I think when any
group of people is oppressed,
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all people are oppressed.
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If any group loses its rights,
we all lose our rights.
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Now as you can see from
my sign, I'm not gay
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and none of my family is.
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But yet, but yet it is a
group who has every right
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to have their
opinion, their belief,
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their private lives just
the way anyone else should.
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And I feel very
strongly about it.
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Also, I was aroused by
the disgusting campaign
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that this woman in
Florida conducted.
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She had all the-- the
ultra-right rabble
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and the kooks in
the world there,
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and it was a very backward
and reactionary thing.
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Then of course, as so
many San Franciscans were,
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I was very appalled by the
murder of the young man.
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That's why I came.
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I believe in human rights.
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Every mother has a child.
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That child, she does not
know whether that's child's
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going to be a homosexual
or a heterosexual.
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She shouldn't ever
disavow that child.
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She should love it from the
moment she gives it birth
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till the moment she
or the child dies.
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And none of us, none
of us, can choose.
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We grow up to a certain
stage and somebody,
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somewhere in our genes has laid
down something that has decided
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ahead of our birth what
we are doing to be.
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But I would say just as God
decides whether you're going
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to be a boy or a
girl, He decides
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whether going to be a
homosexual or a heterosexual.
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-We hope we get my
rights, that's all.
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-Yeah I hope they give us cause
I won't go back in the closet.
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You know it's like
you know suicide.
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Really is.
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-Feels like it kills you.
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-Yes, it would kill me.
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I don't think it will.
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-We're getting
married and I don't
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know if I should
get married now.
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-Yeah.
-Really?
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Today's changed
your life that much?
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-It's just really
changed my life.
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I don't if I should
get married now
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because I don't think
I'll have my rights.
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-And the reason that I
believe that whenever there's
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an attack on any
group in our society,
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we all must come to their aid.
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And it's a question of human
rights, not gay rights.
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And I feel that the environment
in our country today
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is going a little backward.
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There has been attacks, not only
on gays, but on women's rights,
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on the abortion.
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That new legislative bit
with the Supreme Court
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where poor women are going
to be denied abortions where
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rich women could
always get them.
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-To support our gay friends
and all the people who we know
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are gay, who we personally
share some space and living
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space with and find no
different than ourselves
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and are entitled to the same
rights that we are given.
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-Are you lesbian?
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-Yes.
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-How would you
feel if your child
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came out to be a boy or girl?
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-A girl.
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-How would you feel if
she was a lesbian too?
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-That's OK.
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Feels OK.
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-How do you feel about
being here today with her?
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-Oh, I feel really
good about it.
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I like her being here.
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It's nice energy and
she's really enjoying it.
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-And I'm here
because I would like
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to support civil
rights for everyone.
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I think you know this is
something this country has
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fought for for a long time, and
why let it go down the drain
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now?
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-Why did you come here today?
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-Well, we believe
in human rights.
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-Are you a lesbian?
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-No.
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-Are you a lesbian?
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-No.
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-Why did you bring
your children?
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-Well, I believe in
human rights, also.
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-Do you understand what
gay rights is about?
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-No.
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-Are you having a
good time here today?
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-Yeah.
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-Yeah, but even walking around
like you'll notice there's-- I
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mean, that ratio of men
to women, it's really--
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must be 20 to 1 or
20 to 3 or something,
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cause it's just a
lot more men around.
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And that's more like
bittersweet but it's OK.
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-Where you from?
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-Los Angeles, California.
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-Are you gay?
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-No, I'm not gay, I'm here
to see what gay people act
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and how they act.
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-What do you think
so far of the parade?
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-I think the parade
is a success.
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I think it's going to have a
great impact on the country.
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But in the wrong direction.
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-Why is that?
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-Because to me, this means that
these people are going in the--
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in the wrong direction,
for they're not--
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they're not healthy in a sense.
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-But I don't know, I don't
know how you mean that?
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-Well, when your sex hormones,
they balance properly,
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you're not a gay person.
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When you're sex hormones
are balanced probably,
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you will not find
this kind of growth.
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-But what does that
have to do with
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this civil right of gay people--
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-This I admire.
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--where they want to.
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-They could do what they wish
but you have to understand,
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that this is a-- this is
accelerating genetic process
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that's taking place
across the country
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and it's not a healthy process.
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Freedom, yes, but to not to
be healthy is another thing.
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-But if everybody isn't free
that means nobody is in a way
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doesn't it?
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-I agree with that
concept, it's fine.
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Rona Barrett made it very
clear across the coast,
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they have their
right to their day.
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But if the country
goes this way,
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it'll be a sad day
for the country.
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-Well gay people don't want
the country to go this way,
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they just want to be
themselves and-- and
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have rights like everybody else.
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-I agree with the
right aspect of it.
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This has been said
by many people.
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-And-- and, we're not saying
that everybody is gay.
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-I'm not saying that either.
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I'm here to observe
and I say this
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is a bad trend for the country.
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But you have your rights.
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This is freedom of the
constitutional right.
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This I agree with 100%.
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-Oh, yeah, I like
this parade a lot.
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There were a lot
of spaces in it,
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and it didn't feel
all smashed together.
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It was like you could pick
out different kinds of people
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and there were all
different kinds of people;
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teachers, and
nurses, and all kinds
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of contingents that
made me real proud.
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Yeah, they were
standing up saying, uh,
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saying what I believe,
you know, which
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is that you have to
come out of the closet.
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And you have to stand up and
fight, because they're going
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to kill you anyway, you
know, one way or the other.
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And this way feels a lot
better than the other way,
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where we're just
cowering away hiding
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and you don't even know
who your friends are.
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In this way, you know
your friends are,
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you know who your enemies are.
252
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But at least the friends
are right there, you know.
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I like that.
254
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-I feel wonderful
about this parade.
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In all the years that
I've been in them
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since the first
anniversary in New York,
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this one has, has
that wonderful balance
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between a certain seriousness,
but there's also fun to it,
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too.
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People are having a good time.
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-I'm here from Florida,
and I want to find out
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how these California
people enjoy orange juice.
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And of course-- hello?
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No sound.
265
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The sign says it, huh?
266
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-Are you very moved
by being here?
267
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-I am.
268
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I was really crying before.
269
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I just got really, I
got really turned on
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by seeing how many
people, you know,
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were brave and weren't cowed
by the tremendous amount
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of repressive things that
are coming down in the media,
273
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and the kind of headlines and
things that are making people
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feel uptight.
275
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-I'll tell you one thing, if
there is a balance here today,
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you can rest assured that the
media will really jump on it
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and seize on it,
cause it's sensational
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and that's what people
will want to see.
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It'll be on channel
2 and channel
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5 and channel 7 and channel 11.
281
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-I can probably speak
for all the kids
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in the United States
and my brother even.
283
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We all believe in
equal rights for kids.
284
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-All right.
285
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-I think that should
be made into a law too.
286
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[CHANTING]
287
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[MUSIC - ELLEN ROBINSON, "SEND
ME NO FLOWERS"]
288
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-I live up in the country.
289
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But after I was seeing
the headlines up there
290
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in the newspaper, there was
no way I could stay up there,
291
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I had to come down.
292
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It really scared me.
293
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I have talked to my mother.
294
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I ask her how she would
have voted in Miami,
295
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she said she didn't know.
296
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She didn't like my little
sister sitting on my lap.
297
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Makes me really angry.
298
00:13:13,090 --> 00:13:15,300
I was thinking of stealing
her address book with all
299
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my relatives and their
friends names is it
300
00:13:17,770 --> 00:13:19,670
and sending them cards--
you know a queer, too.
301
00:13:19,670 --> 00:13:21,270
You know, next time
you hear a queer joke.
302
00:13:21,270 --> 00:13:23,790
I mean they could prevent
me from seeing my brothers
303
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and sisters, and they've
tried to in the past.
304
00:13:25,860 --> 00:13:27,600
-I'm out of the
closet everywhere.
305
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Work, home, everywhere.
306
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And it's the finest feeling
I've ever had in my life.
307
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-Marching for gay rights,
I feel like there's
308
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a strong connection between
third world oppression
309
00:13:37,690 --> 00:13:40,980
and gay oppression, poor
people in this country.
310
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I think we're all
feeling the same thing.
311
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-We're just strictly observers.
312
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-Are you going to march in it?
313
00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,500
-No, I'm not.
314
00:13:48,500 --> 00:13:51,090
Sorry.
315
00:13:51,090 --> 00:13:54,770
-Monitoring's keeping
people starting, marching,
316
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we're watching the sides.
317
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-Yes, making everything funnel
right in to Market Street.
318
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-Just watching.
319
00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,120
-Well I'm-- I'm standing
up for my rights.
320
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-I think it's beautiful.
321
00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:06,830
It's absolutely marvelous.
322
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We have straight people
here, we have children here,
323
00:14:08,910 --> 00:14:11,390
we have families here, and
we have a marvelous show
324
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of strength and unity
from the gay community.
325
00:14:12,940 --> 00:14:14,540
-What are you doing in
the middle of the summer,
326
00:14:14,540 --> 00:14:16,360
though, in San Francisco?
327
00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,160
-I think there's no
time like the present
328
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to march for human rights.
329
00:14:19,870 --> 00:14:22,170
-Santa Clause for human rights?
330
00:14:22,170 --> 00:14:25,560
Santa Clause and children
for children's rights.
331
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And I think that the
movement in the country
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to repress the
sexuality of children
333
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and I think that that
should be fought against.
334
00:14:34,930 --> 00:14:37,170
-For this Christmas,
what would you
335
00:14:37,170 --> 00:14:42,300
wish for the children
of the world?
336
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-Tolerance, and all that stuff.
337
00:14:44,540 --> 00:14:45,820
-Thanks a lot, Santa Clause.
338
00:14:45,820 --> 00:14:47,630
-You're welcome,
Merry Christmas.
339
00:14:47,630 --> 00:14:50,360
-So I'm going to be
the gay consciousness
340
00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,100
for everyone in San
Francisco today.
341
00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:53,410
Going to be the perfect fool.
342
00:14:53,410 --> 00:14:54,770
The Parsifal.
343
00:14:54,770 --> 00:14:56,000
The risen prince,
so that everyone
344
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can walk in freedom
when the day is past.
345
00:14:58,790 --> 00:15:00,080
-Now there's the
women's contingent
346
00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,320
and the motorcycles
are going to lead off
347
00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:03,950
the front of the
women's contingent.
348
00:15:03,950 --> 00:15:05,320
There are at least
two bike clubs.
349
00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,470
The Dykes on Bikes from the
East Bay and from the city
350
00:15:08,470 --> 00:15:11,250
are both here and we're going
to be leading off the parade.
351
00:15:14,290 --> 00:15:17,500
[MUSIC - MARJIE ORTEN,
"REFLECTIONS]
352
00:17:13,370 --> 00:17:17,010
-I grew up in small town
in northwest Canada.
353
00:17:17,010 --> 00:17:19,360
And because of this
location it was
354
00:17:19,360 --> 00:17:22,360
impossible to be
gay and be happy.
355
00:17:22,360 --> 00:17:25,600
So I got married
and had a family.
356
00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,280
And was moderately happy.
357
00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,490
Nothing to get excited about
for 15 and a half years.
358
00:17:30,490 --> 00:17:32,820
-Did you have gay friends?
359
00:17:32,820 --> 00:17:34,520
-I did, but I didn't know it.
360
00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:35,490
-Any lovers?
361
00:17:35,490 --> 00:17:38,450
-No, not until after I came out.
362
00:17:38,450 --> 00:17:40,630
And that was in 75.
363
00:17:40,630 --> 00:17:43,040
-What caused you to come out?
364
00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,840
-I met a lady and
talked with her
365
00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,700
and was able for the
first time in my life
366
00:17:48,700 --> 00:17:52,410
to express my feelings
without being laughed at
367
00:17:52,410 --> 00:17:54,440
or given dirty looks.
368
00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:55,300
And I just--
369
00:17:55,300 --> 00:17:56,580
-Was this in Kansas still?
370
00:17:56,580 --> 00:17:59,740
-No this was down in Alabama
for Army Reserve training.
371
00:17:59,740 --> 00:18:01,200
-Oh, wow.
372
00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,330
-And I also have a
brother that is gay.
373
00:18:05,330 --> 00:18:08,840
And this helped a lot because
I could talk with him.
374
00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,530
And I finally just
decided, I can't
375
00:18:10,530 --> 00:18:13,380
go on being miserable
all my life so I left.
376
00:18:13,380 --> 00:18:16,790
-What was it that made
you most miserable?
377
00:18:16,790 --> 00:18:19,860
-I think the lack
of any total love.
378
00:18:19,860 --> 00:18:23,630
I loved my husband, but I
wasn't in love with him.
379
00:18:23,630 --> 00:18:27,670
And I don't think I was ever
in love until I met this one.
380
00:18:27,670 --> 00:18:30,290
-When did you meet Charlotte?
381
00:18:30,290 --> 00:18:32,780
-In 1975, the same
year I came out.
382
00:18:32,780 --> 00:18:34,020
Just a few months later.
383
00:18:34,020 --> 00:18:36,110
And we've been
together ever since.
384
00:18:36,110 --> 00:18:36,810
-Far out.
385
00:18:36,810 --> 00:18:38,520
How'd you meet?
386
00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,210
-At a bar in Wichita.
387
00:18:41,210 --> 00:18:42,050
-You met in Wichita?
388
00:18:42,050 --> 00:18:43,050
-Yes.
389
00:18:43,050 --> 00:18:45,850
I left the town I was raised
in and left my husband
390
00:18:45,850 --> 00:18:47,720
and moved to Wichita.
391
00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,970
-What was it like
to gay in Wichita?
392
00:18:50,970 --> 00:18:53,190
-More freedom than
most places in Kansas,
393
00:18:53,190 --> 00:18:55,140
but still very suppressed.
394
00:18:55,140 --> 00:18:56,070
-It doesn't sound like much.
395
00:18:56,070 --> 00:18:57,600
-No, it wasn't much.
396
00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,190
And if your employer
found out you were gay,
397
00:19:00,190 --> 00:19:01,480
you lost your job.
398
00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,210
-Did you lose yours
for being gay?
399
00:19:03,210 --> 00:19:05,380
-Yes, I lost several
jobs for being gay.
400
00:19:05,380 --> 00:19:06,510
She's lost jobs.
401
00:19:06,510 --> 00:19:07,660
-Let me repeat that question.
402
00:19:07,660 --> 00:19:09,470
Did you ever lose your
job for being gay?
403
00:19:09,470 --> 00:19:11,620
-Yes I did several of them.
404
00:19:11,620 --> 00:19:14,360
If they didn't actually come
right out and say your gay
405
00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:17,320
and we don't want you, they
would ask me if I was gay
406
00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,040
and I would say yes and
then they would just
407
00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,070
make the work so
totally miserable
408
00:19:21,070 --> 00:19:22,350
that I would have to quit.
409
00:19:22,350 --> 00:19:23,050
-That's awful.
410
00:19:23,050 --> 00:19:23,960
-It was.
411
00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,720
And we decided that we
had to have more freedom
412
00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,250
to be ourselves and we
came to San Francisco.
413
00:19:31,250 --> 00:19:33,590
-You two came together
to San Francisco?
414
00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:35,960
-Sold everything
we owned, come out
415
00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:40,720
here with $18 in our
pocket and two suitcases.
416
00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:41,690
-That takes a lot of courage.
417
00:19:41,690 --> 00:19:42,890
-Yeah, it did.
418
00:19:42,890 --> 00:19:43,690
-Are you gay?
419
00:19:43,690 --> 00:19:45,630
-Sure.
420
00:19:45,630 --> 00:19:47,910
-Um, depends on what
you mean by gay.
421
00:19:47,910 --> 00:19:48,660
-What's happening?
422
00:19:48,660 --> 00:19:49,470
Are you gay?
423
00:19:49,470 --> 00:19:50,230
-No.
424
00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:50,930
-I don't know.
425
00:19:50,930 --> 00:19:53,080
I don't think I can
classify myself.
426
00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,160
-Well, that's really
none of your business.
427
00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:56,990
-Everyone is homosexual,
I'm heterosexual.
428
00:19:56,990 --> 00:19:58,090
in the same body.
429
00:19:58,090 --> 00:20:00,670
Everyone is male and
female in the same body.
430
00:20:00,670 --> 00:20:01,920
-Am I gay?
431
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,810
What do you mean
by the word gay?
432
00:20:03,810 --> 00:20:05,110
-It's what's in your head.
433
00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:06,360
-Are you gay?
434
00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:07,280
-Yes, I am.
435
00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:08,210
-Are you gay?
436
00:20:08,210 --> 00:20:09,250
-Yes.
437
00:20:09,250 --> 00:20:09,950
-Are you gay?
438
00:20:09,950 --> 00:20:10,650
-Yeah.
439
00:20:10,650 --> 00:20:11,470
-Are you gay?
440
00:20:11,470 --> 00:20:13,360
-Yes, I am.
441
00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:14,060
-You?
442
00:20:14,060 --> 00:20:14,760
-Yes.
443
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:15,460
-Are you gay?
444
00:20:15,460 --> 00:20:16,160
-Yes.
445
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:16,860
-Are you gay?
446
00:20:16,860 --> 00:20:18,590
Having a good time?
447
00:20:18,590 --> 00:20:19,290
Are you gay?
448
00:20:19,290 --> 00:20:20,280
-Yes.
449
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:21,190
-Having a good time?
450
00:20:21,190 --> 00:20:22,350
-Right on.
451
00:20:22,350 --> 00:20:24,120
You bet.
452
00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:25,830
-Are you gay?
453
00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:28,290
-Why not?
454
00:20:28,290 --> 00:20:29,070
-Are you gay?
455
00:20:29,070 --> 00:20:29,770
-Yes.
456
00:20:29,770 --> 00:20:30,760
-Are you gay?
457
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:31,750
Are you gay?
458
00:20:31,750 --> 00:20:33,120
-I definitely am gay, yeah.
459
00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:33,810
-You sure?
460
00:20:33,810 --> 00:20:36,280
-I'm positive, I'm positive.
461
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:37,770
-Yes, I am.
462
00:20:37,770 --> 00:20:38,750
-Yes.
463
00:20:38,750 --> 00:20:40,240
-Oh, yes.
464
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:41,610
-Of course.
465
00:20:41,610 --> 00:20:44,610
-I consider myself
a bisexual person.
466
00:20:44,610 --> 00:20:47,810
-I'm sexually turned
on to men and women.
467
00:20:47,810 --> 00:20:51,410
And also that, I
think I'm politically
468
00:20:51,410 --> 00:20:54,050
committed to men and women.
469
00:20:54,050 --> 00:20:54,810
-Yes, I am.
470
00:20:54,810 --> 00:20:55,500
-Forever?
471
00:20:55,500 --> 00:20:57,440
-Yes, forever.
472
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,970
-Well, I'm a very
persuasion type
473
00:20:59,970 --> 00:21:02,850
and I don't think that
popular myths should
474
00:21:02,850 --> 00:21:05,540
be limited to one
particular viewpoint.
475
00:21:05,540 --> 00:21:06,970
-Yes.
476
00:21:06,970 --> 00:21:08,400
-Yes.
477
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,820
-Yeah, yeah.
478
00:21:09,820 --> 00:21:11,250
Sure.
479
00:21:11,250 --> 00:21:12,680
-No.
480
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,060
-Are you sure?
481
00:21:15,060 --> 00:21:15,850
-Yeah.
482
00:21:15,850 --> 00:21:18,010
-I am.
483
00:21:18,010 --> 00:21:18,760
-No.
484
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:19,460
-No.
485
00:21:19,460 --> 00:21:22,400
I could be, but I haven't
had any experience.
486
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,430
-No, I can't really restrict
myself to just being gay.
487
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:27,890
I'm not straight either.
488
00:21:27,890 --> 00:21:29,670
And I'm not bi really.
489
00:21:29,670 --> 00:21:31,710
I consider myself pansexual.
490
00:21:31,710 --> 00:21:32,530
-Oh, yes I am.
491
00:21:32,530 --> 00:21:33,400
Today I'm more than gay.
492
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,880
Today I'm jubilant.
493
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:36,860
Really.
494
00:21:36,860 --> 00:21:39,960
-Yes, I've been homosexual as
far back as I can remember,
495
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:45,210
which is a long way back
because I'm almost 60.
496
00:21:45,210 --> 00:21:46,900
-Have you been in San
Francisco for long?
497
00:21:46,900 --> 00:21:51,660
-Yes I've been in San
Francisco since World War II.
498
00:21:51,660 --> 00:21:55,850
-Did anything in particular
draw you out here to this city?
499
00:21:55,850 --> 00:21:58,120
-Well San Francisco's
always been an open city
500
00:21:58,120 --> 00:22:02,440
that every one came to,
that's the last frontier.
501
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,140
And when I came out
here with the Army,
502
00:22:04,140 --> 00:22:06,620
I decided this is
where I belong.
503
00:22:06,620 --> 00:22:08,370
And I've never regretted that.
504
00:22:08,370 --> 00:22:10,410
It's a good place
for a gay person
505
00:22:10,410 --> 00:22:12,540
and it's a good
place for everybody.
506
00:22:12,540 --> 00:22:15,280
-What do you think about what's
happening right now behind us?
507
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:16,520
-I think this is wonderful.
508
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:23,450
I think this is the kind of show
of individualism and of people
509
00:22:23,450 --> 00:22:27,260
power that we saw in the
other minority movements
510
00:22:27,260 --> 00:22:30,090
back in the '50s and '60s.
511
00:22:30,090 --> 00:22:32,090
And it's time now
for gay people.
512
00:22:32,090 --> 00:22:34,810
-How does this parade compare
with previous parades?
513
00:22:34,810 --> 00:22:38,050
-Well the parades have
changed over the years
514
00:22:38,050 --> 00:22:41,230
as gay consciousness
has changed.
515
00:22:41,230 --> 00:22:45,530
The parades came about first
as an anniversary celebration
516
00:22:45,530 --> 00:22:47,540
or an anniversary
statement after
517
00:22:47,540 --> 00:22:50,050
the Stonewall demonstrations in
New York, in Greenwich Village,
518
00:22:50,050 --> 00:22:52,570
in 1969.
519
00:22:52,570 --> 00:22:56,450
At that time the police had
been harassing various bars,
520
00:22:56,450 --> 00:23:00,320
as they always have harassed
gay bars over the years.
521
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,140
And suddenly there
was fighting back
522
00:23:04,140 --> 00:23:05,960
that occurred by a
group of people who
523
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,860
were at the bar in
Greenwich Village.
524
00:23:09,860 --> 00:23:13,110
The people who fought
back were not organized,
525
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:15,300
they were not leaders
of the gay community,
526
00:23:15,300 --> 00:23:17,360
they were just bar folks.
527
00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:21,150
And many of them representing
the poorer elements of New
528
00:23:21,150 --> 00:23:26,370
York's gay life-- drag queens,
street kids, the bar people.
529
00:23:26,370 --> 00:23:29,470
And because they fought back
and because other people
530
00:23:29,470 --> 00:23:32,290
joined them, a
movement was forged.
531
00:23:32,290 --> 00:23:33,600
A movement that
said we're not going
532
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,200
to put up with the
kind of bullshit
533
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,170
that we've been subjected
to over so many years.
534
00:23:38,170 --> 00:23:42,010
And at that time,
it became nationally
535
00:23:42,010 --> 00:23:45,500
important to
recognize that event
536
00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:50,840
by some kind of annual parade.
537
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:56,490
The first parades were
aimed at gay liberation.
538
00:23:56,490 --> 00:23:58,200
They were aimed at
the out of the closet
539
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,670
into the street idea.
540
00:24:00,670 --> 00:24:03,670
And many people
joined in those just
541
00:24:03,670 --> 00:24:06,750
on a kind of spontaneous
personal basis.
542
00:24:06,750 --> 00:24:10,830
Households of people,
individuals, couples, people
543
00:24:10,830 --> 00:24:13,430
were involved in coming out.
544
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:15,610
And so being in the
parade was a coming
545
00:24:15,610 --> 00:24:17,680
out event for a lot of people.
546
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,910
There were also organizations.
547
00:24:19,910 --> 00:24:22,020
Some of the older
gay organizations
548
00:24:22,020 --> 00:24:23,560
marched in the parades.
549
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,220
-Other marches?
550
00:24:25,220 --> 00:24:26,580
Yeah.
551
00:24:26,580 --> 00:24:30,170
The first-- first march
that I remember ever doing
552
00:24:30,170 --> 00:24:31,830
was Mattachine Society.
553
00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:34,500
There were only four
women at that time.
554
00:24:34,500 --> 00:24:36,070
-Four women, wow.
555
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:37,980
-And the stipulations
for the march
556
00:24:37,980 --> 00:24:40,510
were that we must
not appear gay.
557
00:24:40,510 --> 00:24:43,410
We must the men must
wear business suits
558
00:24:43,410 --> 00:24:45,170
and the women must
wear dresses and shoes.
559
00:24:45,170 --> 00:24:47,990
-What was the spectator's
reaction to that march?
560
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:51,050
-Was a mixture of
hostility or indifference.
561
00:24:51,050 --> 00:24:53,930
-As the years went
on, they became
562
00:24:53,930 --> 00:24:57,750
more celebrations, carnivals.
563
00:24:57,750 --> 00:25:02,760
So by 1972 or 1973,
political statements
564
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,930
began to be less
evident and there
565
00:25:04,930 --> 00:25:09,070
began to be more of a sense
of, we're already out.
566
00:25:09,070 --> 00:25:13,560
We're not going to be invisible,
we're not going to be silent,
567
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,120
and we're going to
celebrate by being out.
568
00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:19,210
[MUSIC - JAMES O'CONNOR, "GREAT
EXPECTATIONS"]
569
00:26:49,730 --> 00:26:51,650
-We're downtown just
on a Sunday afternoon
570
00:26:51,650 --> 00:26:53,300
and it's just a parade
for the children
571
00:26:53,300 --> 00:26:55,710
to look at more than anything,
to be quite honest with you.
572
00:26:55,710 --> 00:26:57,260
-May I ask you a really
personal question?
573
00:26:57,260 --> 00:26:59,290
If one of your children
came to you some day
574
00:26:59,290 --> 00:27:02,780
at the age of 15 or 16
and said, "Mom, I'm gay."
575
00:27:02,780 --> 00:27:04,120
What would you say to them?
576
00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:05,940
-If you want me to
answer you seriously
577
00:27:05,940 --> 00:27:08,760
that's a very, very
difficult question to answer.
578
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,190
It's as difficult as if one of
my girls came to me and said,
579
00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:13,730
you know, Mom I'm pregnant
when she'll be 15 or 16.
580
00:27:13,730 --> 00:27:17,160
I really don't know
what I would say.
581
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,560
-How do you feel
about gay people?
582
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:19,260
Are you--
583
00:27:19,260 --> 00:27:19,950
-They're people.
584
00:27:19,950 --> 00:27:21,750
They're humans, just like I am.
585
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:23,910
-Do you know any gay people
are they friends of yours?
586
00:27:23,910 --> 00:27:25,650
-Yeah we stayed, we stayed
with a guy last night,
587
00:27:25,650 --> 00:27:28,870
we just got in town two
days ago and we just got in
588
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:31,070
and he offered us
a place to stay.
589
00:27:31,070 --> 00:27:32,460
Took us out to breakfast.
590
00:27:32,460 --> 00:27:33,230
It was great.
591
00:27:33,230 --> 00:27:34,740
-Was he cool?
592
00:27:34,740 --> 00:27:37,590
-Yeah he didn't try to force
himself on us, you know.
593
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:38,960
That's his thing, beautiful.
594
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,910
I've been in the penitentiary,
see, I know what it's about.
595
00:27:41,910 --> 00:27:44,850
Sometimes it's forced on you,
but most the time it isn't.
596
00:27:44,850 --> 00:27:46,450
People are people.
597
00:27:46,450 --> 00:27:47,310
-Where you from?
598
00:27:47,310 --> 00:27:49,330
-I'm from Denver,
Colorado originally.
599
00:27:49,330 --> 00:27:51,960
-How are things there as far
as gay people, do you know?
600
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,490
-Well, they're more
hypocritical there.
601
00:27:54,490 --> 00:27:57,470
They get mugged all the time,
which isn't right, you know.
602
00:27:57,470 --> 00:27:58,560
-I saw a guy from work.
603
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,160
I work with him
every day and now I
604
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,020
know why he tickles
me all the time.
605
00:28:02,020 --> 00:28:03,550
Cause he's gay too.
606
00:28:03,550 --> 00:28:05,580
I'm really glad.
607
00:28:05,580 --> 00:28:07,260
[MUSIC - JAMES O'CONNOR, "GREAT
EXPECTATIONS]
608
00:28:24,620 --> 00:28:27,050
-You've never been to bed
with man, either of you?
609
00:28:27,050 --> 00:28:27,750
-No.
610
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:29,380
-Where you been, have you
been living in the city
611
00:28:29,380 --> 00:28:30,200
all this time?
612
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:30,900
-Mhm.
613
00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:32,990
-Don't you ever get
approached by men?
614
00:28:32,990 --> 00:28:34,130
-Sure, sure.
615
00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:36,120
-What, what do you tell them?
616
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:38,670
-Well, you know, I ain't
ready for that yet.
617
00:28:38,670 --> 00:28:40,890
-27 years and you're
not ready yet?
618
00:28:40,890 --> 00:28:42,760
-No, I'm not ready for that yet.
619
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,850
But I ain't got
nothing against it.
620
00:28:45,850 --> 00:28:48,770
[MUSIC - JAMES O'CONNOR, "GREAT
EXPECTATIONS]
621
00:29:15,610 --> 00:29:17,330
-It's gotten rid of that hassle.
622
00:29:17,330 --> 00:29:18,030
You know.
623
00:29:18,030 --> 00:29:18,760
-What hassle is that?
624
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,180
-Of hiding it from your
parents, from your family,
625
00:29:21,180 --> 00:29:22,360
from your friends.
626
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,250
This sort of thing.
627
00:29:23,250 --> 00:29:26,770
-I think we should all began
by, OK I'm gay, so what?
628
00:29:26,770 --> 00:29:27,470
You know.
629
00:29:27,470 --> 00:29:29,360
-And have you been
able to do that?
630
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,060
For your life?
631
00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:31,550
-Yeah, for the most part.
632
00:29:31,550 --> 00:29:34,040
I mean slip once and a
while but them we all do.
633
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,530
[MUSIC - JAMES O'CONNOR, "GREAT
EXPECTATIONS]
634
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,670
-(CHANING) We are your children!
635
00:30:08,670 --> 00:30:10,140
We are your children!
636
00:30:19,070 --> 00:30:20,570
-Makes me angry
to see gay people
637
00:30:20,570 --> 00:30:23,540
not coming together and hiding.
638
00:30:23,540 --> 00:30:24,760
Fighting amongst
themselves whenever
639
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:25,760
they're in an organized group.
640
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,210
-Do you think that's
happening today?
641
00:30:27,210 --> 00:30:27,910
-Well, no.
642
00:30:27,910 --> 00:30:29,190
I think what's been
happening recently
643
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:30,930
is probably going to
cause a lot of solidarity
644
00:30:30,930 --> 00:30:32,200
with the gay people.
645
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,700
And it's going to help
a lot of straight people
646
00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:36,450
to realize that we're
not all in the closets,
647
00:30:36,450 --> 00:30:37,710
and that we are here.
648
00:30:37,710 --> 00:30:39,100
We're a viable part
of the community
649
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:40,530
and we're all aspects
of the community.
650
00:30:40,530 --> 00:30:42,030
We can't just sit
back and expect
651
00:30:42,030 --> 00:30:43,290
other people to accept us.
652
00:30:43,290 --> 00:30:44,950
We've got to let it be
known that we're here.
653
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:46,880
And we're not going to change.
654
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,360
-How long have you been out?
655
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,360
-A couple of years now.
656
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:56,090
At age 33, I finally, I ran
into an old friend of mine
657
00:30:56,090 --> 00:30:58,800
and spent some time with her
and I couldn't understand what
658
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,420
these strange new feelings were.
659
00:31:00,420 --> 00:31:02,190
And I suddenly
said, "Oh my God, I
660
00:31:02,190 --> 00:31:04,930
think I'm sexually
attracted to this woman."
661
00:31:04,930 --> 00:31:07,190
Then I said how do
I feel about that.
662
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:08,770
I thought about it for
a while and I said,
663
00:31:08,770 --> 00:31:10,430
I think i feel
terrific about that,
664
00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:11,760
I think I'll give it a try.
665
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,790
And I was scared to death
but being the kind of lady
666
00:31:14,790 --> 00:31:17,750
she was it was a marvelous
experience for me
667
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:20,160
and it opened up a whole
new, a whole new life.
668
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,540
Actually it opened up life to me
because I had no idea that this
669
00:31:24,540 --> 00:31:27,700
existed in one's
life experiences.
670
00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:29,480
I meant the
lovingly, the caring.
671
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:34,080
I got in touch with my-- for
the first time in my life,
672
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,850
I got in touch, with a
band right behind me.
673
00:31:38,850 --> 00:31:41,270
I got in touch
with my femininity
674
00:31:41,270 --> 00:31:43,290
that I really was
not aware that I had.
675
00:31:43,290 --> 00:31:46,250
I'd been pretty much
androgynous most of my life.
676
00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:47,730
I've been married
for four years,
677
00:31:47,730 --> 00:31:50,100
I had an affair for four years.
678
00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:51,030
But--
679
00:31:51,030 --> 00:31:53,180
-Had you had any
relationships with women
680
00:31:53,180 --> 00:31:54,390
before you were married?
681
00:31:54,390 --> 00:31:55,730
-I had none whatsoever.
682
00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:57,680
I'd never entertain
the idea of having
683
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:58,830
a relationship with women.
684
00:31:58,830 --> 00:32:00,870
I thought it was
terrific for other people
685
00:32:00,870 --> 00:32:03,040
but I never thought
it applied to me.
686
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,600
And when I ran into this old
friend from eight years ago
687
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,150
and this happened, I
said my God, you know.
688
00:32:09,150 --> 00:32:11,200
I've been missing what happened.
689
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,710
But I think being from the
south in a small community,
690
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:16,510
I didn't even know
what homosexuality was,
691
00:32:16,510 --> 00:32:19,530
so I had absolutely no
validation for any feelings
692
00:32:19,530 --> 00:32:21,970
that I might have had
coming up, like crushes
693
00:32:21,970 --> 00:32:24,540
on the gym teacher and
that kind of thing.
694
00:32:24,540 --> 00:32:26,260
I had no idea.
695
00:32:26,260 --> 00:32:28,430
-Did your family
know you're gay?
696
00:32:28,430 --> 00:32:29,420
-I'd say no.
697
00:32:29,420 --> 00:32:31,830
I've never talked
to them about it.
698
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:33,530
They think I'm
strange and different,
699
00:32:33,530 --> 00:32:34,980
but they don't, I
don't think they've
700
00:32:34,980 --> 00:32:39,680
put homosexual or lesbian
or gay person on me yet.
701
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,180
-This parade was
like a reaction,
702
00:32:41,180 --> 00:32:43,930
but this parade is bigger
than any one reaction.
703
00:32:43,930 --> 00:32:46,000
So many people saying
thank heavens Florida
704
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,460
happened so that
we get together.
705
00:32:47,460 --> 00:32:48,890
This parade's bigger than that.
706
00:32:48,890 --> 00:32:50,850
You know I think
the sum is really
707
00:32:50,850 --> 00:32:52,750
bigger than all of its parts.
708
00:32:52,750 --> 00:32:54,430
And that's something no
one could have predicted.
709
00:32:54,430 --> 00:32:56,530
The feeling that
I'm feeling today,
710
00:32:56,530 --> 00:32:59,030
it's just a really
incredibly powerful.
711
00:32:59,030 --> 00:33:00,860
And that's something new for me.
712
00:33:00,860 --> 00:33:02,590
I didn't feel this way
in the peace marches,
713
00:33:02,590 --> 00:33:05,390
and maybe because they
weren't openly gay.
714
00:33:05,390 --> 00:33:08,140
-Because I wanted
to see for myself
715
00:33:08,140 --> 00:33:13,090
the city of San Francisco
show our nation and the world
716
00:33:13,090 --> 00:33:15,900
that we're not quite
as ignorant and bigoted
717
00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:17,800
as they are in other parts.
718
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,920
We both agreed that we have
never seen such a large crowd
719
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,880
and felt such good vibes.
720
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,870
-I think I just
like it, I enjoy it.
721
00:33:27,870 --> 00:33:30,220
And I think the
gays should be given
722
00:33:30,220 --> 00:33:31,860
the freedom for their own.
723
00:33:31,860 --> 00:33:32,790
-Where are you from?
724
00:33:32,790 --> 00:33:33,490
-Philippines.
725
00:33:33,490 --> 00:33:34,220
-From the Philippines?
726
00:33:34,220 --> 00:33:35,720
-Yeah, but I think I'm for them.
727
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:36,420
-Yeah.
728
00:33:36,420 --> 00:33:37,120
-Yeah.
729
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:38,730
-Thank you.
730
00:33:38,730 --> 00:33:39,730
Yeah.
731
00:33:39,730 --> 00:33:42,560
-A gay man 50 years
old, spent 30 days
732
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,710
in jail one time for no
other reason than I was gay.
733
00:33:45,710 --> 00:33:48,810
To see this day, I want to cry.
734
00:33:48,810 --> 00:33:50,030
It's beautiful.
735
00:33:50,030 --> 00:33:52,650
It's fantastic to
see our kids free.
736
00:33:52,650 --> 00:33:54,360
It's beautiful.
737
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,060
-OK.
738
00:33:55,060 --> 00:33:57,990
-Thank God they're out,
they won't need shrinks.
739
00:33:57,990 --> 00:34:01,480
[MUSIC - TOMMY TALLEY, "SAYING
YES"]
740
00:36:19,180 --> 00:36:22,170
-A separation of church
and state is not a new idea
741
00:36:22,170 --> 00:36:24,570
but a lot of people
would like to forget it.
742
00:36:24,570 --> 00:36:27,140
Big churches, maybe
not the members,
743
00:36:27,140 --> 00:36:30,900
but the churches for sure have
always back pretty repressive
744
00:36:30,900 --> 00:36:34,050
ideas-- war, burning
witches, having
745
00:36:34,050 --> 00:36:37,100
the Crusades, the
Spanish Inquisition.
746
00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:41,280
-The Bible makes it quite clear
that sex of any and all kinds
747
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,730
aside for the specific
purpose of procreation
748
00:36:44,730 --> 00:36:47,200
is amoral, decadent,
and degrading
749
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,160
And so morally there is
no difference whatsoever
750
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,960
between two guys having
sex or two women having
751
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,390
sex and straight sex using any
kind of birth control at all.
752
00:36:57,390 --> 00:37:00,250
In short, fun sex is
degrading and decadent,
753
00:37:00,250 --> 00:37:02,710
weakening and childish
and unproductive.
754
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:06,190
-Well you can use the Bible
to defend any position,
755
00:37:06,190 --> 00:37:11,210
if you just take one little
portion of it or one excerpt.
756
00:37:11,210 --> 00:37:14,530
-And the Bible says the
wages of sin are death.
757
00:37:14,530 --> 00:37:17,750
A man was not intended
to enjoy his senses.
758
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:20,530
-For Christianity, again this
is-- it's hard to say this,
759
00:37:20,530 --> 00:37:23,350
it probably offends people,
but Christianity very often
760
00:37:23,350 --> 00:37:26,790
is against people,
it's against pleasure.
761
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:29,220
And I don't think that
this is necessarily
762
00:37:29,220 --> 00:37:31,860
what the teachers intended.
763
00:37:31,860 --> 00:37:35,710
And even if it was, not
necessarily my teachers.
764
00:37:35,710 --> 00:37:39,910
-God love homosexuals just
like he loves everyone else.
765
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:43,970
He just wants them to turn
to him and stop the sin.
766
00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:47,930
-This country has a constitution
which is the primary law.
767
00:37:47,930 --> 00:37:51,420
Not the Bible, not the
Koran, not somebody's
768
00:37:51,420 --> 00:37:53,320
idea of what's good
and what's bad.
769
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,560
-I feel like many
of these people,
770
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,220
if they had a good preacher,
if they had somebody tell them
771
00:37:59,220 --> 00:38:01,940
about Jesus the way
that it would help them,
772
00:38:01,940 --> 00:38:05,010
I feel like it wouldn't
be as hard as it is.
773
00:38:05,010 --> 00:38:06,780
-It's right there
in the constitution.
774
00:38:06,780 --> 00:38:07,750
Freedom of religion.
775
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:09,390
And you can't have
freedom of religion
776
00:38:09,390 --> 00:38:11,430
if you have religion in the law.
777
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:12,970
Just impossible.
778
00:38:12,970 --> 00:38:16,320
-It's more or less this time
about religion and how it's
779
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,660
being used to hurt
people rather than
780
00:38:19,660 --> 00:38:22,740
for what it's really supposed
to be intended about.
781
00:38:22,740 --> 00:38:24,850
At least, the teachers
that most of us
782
00:38:24,850 --> 00:38:28,160
respect, Christ
and all the others,
783
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,740
keeping religion
out of the laws.
784
00:38:32,740 --> 00:38:35,020
And I mean the law here
is the Constitution.
785
00:38:35,020 --> 00:38:37,680
It's not The Bible, or the
Koran or anything else,
786
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,050
it's the Constitution.
787
00:38:39,050 --> 00:38:41,270
Well we at least have the
right to our own bedroom.
788
00:38:43,940 --> 00:38:50,170
And we have the right to not be
forced to accept someone else's
789
00:38:50,170 --> 00:38:54,380
religious ideas on
our personal lives.
790
00:38:54,380 --> 00:38:57,140
I mean, I guess religion
gets into things
791
00:38:57,140 --> 00:38:58,490
like murder and stuff like that.
792
00:38:58,490 --> 00:39:00,850
We kinda all agree
we don't want that.
793
00:39:00,850 --> 00:39:04,470
But there's certainly
differences here.
794
00:39:04,470 --> 00:39:08,320
And religion has no
place in Congress
795
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:13,260
or in city government
or anything like that.
796
00:39:13,260 --> 00:39:16,470
-So you're saying you want a
separation of church and state?
797
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:17,170
-Definitely.
798
00:39:17,170 --> 00:39:17,870
Definitely.
799
00:39:17,870 --> 00:39:20,250
We've been promised
that a long time now.
800
00:39:20,250 --> 00:39:23,220
And I hope we finally get it.
801
00:39:23,220 --> 00:39:26,690
I think maybe what's
happening is coming to a head.
802
00:39:26,690 --> 00:39:28,330
For a long time,
you didn't even have
803
00:39:28,330 --> 00:39:29,810
the right not to have children.
804
00:39:29,810 --> 00:39:34,770
I mean there were laws in a lot
of states about contraception.
805
00:39:34,770 --> 00:39:36,920
That wasn't even
your right because
806
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,750
of certain powerful
churches that
807
00:39:38,750 --> 00:39:41,760
decided that it's
evil in their eyes
808
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,940
that they have to prevent
everyone else from doing it.
809
00:39:43,940 --> 00:39:47,110
-But sometimes doesn't preaching
against a certain group
810
00:39:47,110 --> 00:39:49,880
of people incite
violence against them?
811
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,890
-Many people have
a violent nature,
812
00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:54,730
as in this instance of
killing this one man
813
00:39:54,730 --> 00:39:57,600
the other day are
very, very wrong.
814
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,220
More wrong than the sin of the
other person whatever that was.
815
00:40:01,220 --> 00:40:04,900
-A week ago, I was walking down
the street and this these three
816
00:40:04,900 --> 00:40:09,300
black kids passed me and one
of them bumped me in the arm
817
00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:10,720
and called me a faggot.
818
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:11,580
You know.
819
00:40:11,580 --> 00:40:15,500
And with that sort of
hostility running rampant.
820
00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:18,580
-What was your reaction
to that, that incident?
821
00:40:18,580 --> 00:40:19,860
-I was really upset about it.
822
00:40:19,860 --> 00:40:21,430
I was, I felt hurt.
823
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:23,450
But I was also angry.
824
00:40:23,450 --> 00:40:27,110
-Last week I got on a bus
one day with a friend of mine
825
00:40:27,110 --> 00:40:30,080
and I went to sit
down and there were
826
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,690
about four black teenage
youths in the back of the bus.
827
00:40:33,690 --> 00:40:38,270
And they started yelling
faggot and harassing us,
828
00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:41,770
and I just kind
of froze because I
829
00:40:41,770 --> 00:40:46,110
was really torn
between fear and anger.
830
00:40:46,110 --> 00:40:50,390
-I experienced it right at
Market and Castor Street, which
831
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:54,980
is suppose to be the center of
the gay community in a sense.
832
00:40:54,980 --> 00:40:59,330
And If it can happen
there, it certainly
833
00:40:59,330 --> 00:41:02,520
will happen anywhere
else in this world.
834
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,100
And days like this,
we feel very united
835
00:41:06,100 --> 00:41:08,710
and we feel safe and secure.
836
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:14,210
And yet I feel that
there is a threat.
837
00:41:14,210 --> 00:41:17,550
-I understood you
to say that sometime
838
00:41:17,550 --> 00:41:20,150
earlier that you were married?
839
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:20,850
That correct?
840
00:41:20,850 --> 00:41:23,920
-Yes, I was married
for five years.
841
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,020
I have two daughters.
842
00:41:27,820 --> 00:41:30,820
They live in-- they
know that I'm gay
843
00:41:30,820 --> 00:41:34,160
and they're very accepting
of that situation.
844
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,150
And I hope that they remain so.
845
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:50,690
-I'm on the Jean Gillian
defense committee
846
00:41:50,690 --> 00:41:54,350
and we're trying to familiarize
people with the case.
847
00:41:54,350 --> 00:41:58,450
And we've been selling food to
raise money for her legal fees.
848
00:41:58,450 --> 00:42:01,060
-Tell us a little bit
about Jean Gillian's case.
849
00:42:01,060 --> 00:42:03,300
-Jean Gillian is a lesbian
mother from Oakland,
850
00:42:03,300 --> 00:42:07,440
and her husband has recently
taken her children away.
851
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,470
She's had a trial and an
appeal has gone in already,
852
00:42:11,470 --> 00:42:15,780
and the judge has dismissed both
summarily without reading it
853
00:42:15,780 --> 00:42:18,790
and has put gag orders
on the whole case.
854
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:21,450
So the appeal's now going
to the supreme court.
855
00:42:21,450 --> 00:42:24,930
We're trying to help her
raise $12,000 for a defense.
856
00:42:24,930 --> 00:42:27,110
-How much money have you
raised today do you know?
857
00:42:27,110 --> 00:42:28,490
-Over $1,000.
858
00:42:28,490 --> 00:42:30,960
-We're representing all
the women that can't afford
859
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,020
to be here, because they
feel that there are millions
860
00:42:33,020 --> 00:42:36,070
of lesbian women that
are really locked at home
861
00:42:36,070 --> 00:42:39,260
in dependent relationships
with men, you know,
862
00:42:39,260 --> 00:42:40,980
because they depend
on them for money.
863
00:42:40,980 --> 00:42:44,890
And so they can't come out, you
know, to a parade like this.
864
00:42:44,890 --> 00:42:47,520
-Do you think that there are
a lot of lesbian mother's who
865
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,370
are afraid to come out
because their children
866
00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:50,510
will be taken away from them?
867
00:42:50,510 --> 00:42:51,210
-Absolutely.
868
00:42:51,210 --> 00:42:54,110
I mean, I think the whole
save our children campaign
869
00:42:54,110 --> 00:42:57,130
has been a real attack
on lesbian women
870
00:42:57,130 --> 00:42:59,280
and on lesbian mothers,
you know, a real attempt
871
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,400
to push up back into the
home and force us to choose
872
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,130
between being lesbian and
having children at all.
873
00:43:05,130 --> 00:43:06,690
-How do you feel
about the word dyke?
874
00:43:06,690 --> 00:43:07,890
-Dyke, I don't like it.
875
00:43:07,890 --> 00:43:09,980
Walking down the street
and I heard some women even
876
00:43:09,980 --> 00:43:12,460
say, hey, yeah, right
on beautiful dykes.
877
00:43:12,460 --> 00:43:13,670
I don't like the word.
878
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:15,330
I won't respond to it.
879
00:43:15,330 --> 00:43:16,210
I'm a woman.
880
00:43:16,210 --> 00:43:18,180
-What do you think
about the word dyke?
881
00:43:18,180 --> 00:43:20,720
-Dyke, I like dyke.
882
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:22,520
I'm a dyke.
883
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:23,690
And um--
884
00:43:23,690 --> 00:43:27,100
-You think people have
used that word negatively.
885
00:43:27,100 --> 00:43:28,060
-I don't.
886
00:43:28,060 --> 00:43:28,760
Do you?
887
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:29,650
-No, I don't, I like it.
888
00:43:32,810 --> 00:43:33,520
-Having a good time?
889
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:34,220
-Oh yeah.
890
00:43:34,220 --> 00:43:34,960
-Good parade?
891
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:35,660
-Yes.
892
00:43:35,660 --> 00:43:37,370
-Good parade?
893
00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:38,330
-A real good parade.
894
00:43:38,330 --> 00:43:39,290
-Very high.
895
00:43:39,290 --> 00:43:41,000
Very high.
896
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:41,700
-Are you gay?
897
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:44,840
-No, but I'm all
for their right.
898
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,700
-Straight for the rights.
899
00:43:46,700 --> 00:43:47,910
-You having a good time?
900
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:48,610
-Fantastic.
901
00:43:48,610 --> 00:43:49,340
-Got you another beer?
902
00:43:51,950 --> 00:43:52,910
-Nothing like it.
903
00:43:52,910 --> 00:43:54,060
-You from San Francisco?
904
00:43:54,060 --> 00:43:54,900
-Oh, yes, sir.
905
00:43:54,900 --> 00:43:55,840
-Are you gay?
906
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:56,540
-Sure.
907
00:43:56,540 --> 00:43:57,240
-Having a good time?
908
00:43:57,240 --> 00:43:57,940
-Yes, sir.
909
00:43:57,940 --> 00:43:58,910
-How long you lived out here?
910
00:43:58,910 --> 00:44:00,640
-Oh, 50 years.
911
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,140
-Things changed a
lot in that time?
912
00:44:02,140 --> 00:44:03,420
-Oh, boy and how.
913
00:44:03,420 --> 00:44:04,340
-For the better?
914
00:44:04,340 --> 00:44:05,600
-For the better, for the better.
915
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:06,300
-Far out.
916
00:44:06,300 --> 00:44:08,070
-What do you think
of the parade today?
917
00:44:08,070 --> 00:44:09,130
-It's wild.
918
00:44:09,130 --> 00:44:10,500
No where else in
San Francisco, could
919
00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:12,220
I say that this
should take place.
920
00:44:12,220 --> 00:44:15,030
It's just fantastic.
921
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:18,000
-And I glad everyone here, and I
wish you know a lot more people
922
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,840
to come and just see the great
feeling that is going around.
923
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,200
-How did the two
you get together?
924
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:24,860
-Well first time was
at the Castro theater.
925
00:44:24,860 --> 00:44:27,320
We were watching a movie
and we saw each other
926
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:28,980
and just, you know.
927
00:44:28,980 --> 00:44:30,590
Then second time,
we just started
928
00:44:30,590 --> 00:44:33,260
sitting together so
it just worked out.
929
00:44:33,260 --> 00:44:37,150
-If I love someone, I don't want
to say I love you but I cannot
930
00:44:37,150 --> 00:44:40,980
touch you, because, you know,
feeling is also very important.
931
00:44:40,980 --> 00:44:43,590
We are very
sensitive, all of us.
932
00:44:43,590 --> 00:44:44,850
-What brought you out here?
933
00:44:44,850 --> 00:44:49,780
-Uh, friction between family
life in Kansas and just more
934
00:44:49,780 --> 00:44:52,660
relaxed out here.
935
00:44:52,660 --> 00:44:57,730
-Did you find problems
with being gay there?
936
00:44:57,730 --> 00:44:59,720
-We can't, we can't show
any feelings at all,
937
00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:03,200
or they just sort
of crucify you.
938
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,030
They just, they just
don't like that out there.
939
00:45:06,030 --> 00:45:10,090
-I believe that people should
be able to relate to people
940
00:45:10,090 --> 00:45:13,020
and communicate with
people and not draw lines,
941
00:45:13,020 --> 00:45:16,380
because one you happen
to be male or female.
942
00:45:16,380 --> 00:45:19,500
Because we are here
for life, liberty
943
00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:21,270
the pursuit of happiness.
944
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:22,260
And that's I want.
945
00:45:22,260 --> 00:45:25,080
-Do you think you're going to
stay around in San Francisco?
946
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,570
-Yeah, we live in San Francisco.
947
00:45:27,570 --> 00:45:29,070
Hopefully for quite a while.
948
00:45:29,070 --> 00:45:33,060
[MUSIC - PAUL DUBOIS, "I LOVE A
MAN"]
949
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:46,780
-Now there's you story.
950
00:47:46,780 --> 00:47:49,520
OK, somebody fell in love with
me when I was 18, a woman did.
951
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:53,590
But I didn't actually come
out till I was 21, almost 22.
952
00:47:53,590 --> 00:47:56,300
-Well I guess because I
became intensely interested,
953
00:47:56,300 --> 00:48:01,290
I was very curious about
having sex with women.
954
00:48:01,290 --> 00:48:03,080
-And that yet back
east especially women
955
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,980
are into the male
female dichotomy
956
00:48:05,980 --> 00:48:09,160
and so that was even harder
because I knew what I wanted
957
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:10,670
but it was mostly
in west coast terms
958
00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:12,710
but I was still stuck on
the east coast at that time.
959
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:14,110
-At first I was really
curious and excited
960
00:48:14,110 --> 00:48:15,590
then I got very freaked out.
961
00:48:15,590 --> 00:48:17,410
And I was living in Los
Angeles, at the time,
962
00:48:17,410 --> 00:48:18,670
I didn't know anybody at all.
963
00:48:18,670 --> 00:48:20,500
I mean, I mean, I didn't
know anybody that was gay.
964
00:48:20,500 --> 00:48:22,950
And so I was very freaked
out about me being gay,
965
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:24,990
like I just could not see
a future in it at all.
966
00:48:24,990 --> 00:48:27,460
-That came out for woman
and that blew sky high
967
00:48:27,460 --> 00:48:29,430
so I had to find my own
reasons for being here
968
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:31,830
and California means a
lot to me as a person.
969
00:48:31,830 --> 00:48:33,520
-Then I don't know.
970
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,350
I was also very curious as
well as being very sympathetic,
971
00:48:36,350 --> 00:48:39,400
so one time I ask her,
Ann tell me what's
972
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:40,690
it like to make
love with a woman.
973
00:48:40,690 --> 00:48:43,290
And she said well,
you know I can't, I
974
00:48:43,290 --> 00:48:44,650
can't tell you what that's like.
975
00:48:44,650 --> 00:48:46,460
You, you can only find that out.
976
00:48:46,460 --> 00:48:47,760
I went ahhh!
977
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:52,540
-This is three lovers later,
and now my lover due to economic
978
00:48:52,540 --> 00:48:55,150
whatever is working in
Bakersfield for the summer.
979
00:48:55,150 --> 00:48:58,540
-Couple of weeks later this
friend of mine and her lover
980
00:48:58,540 --> 00:49:00,220
ask me if I wanted
to sleep with them.
981
00:49:00,220 --> 00:49:03,810
And I was married at
the time to a man.
982
00:49:03,810 --> 00:49:06,730
-Really difficult because
they're into roles, and that
983
00:49:06,730 --> 00:49:08,850
was some of my hangups is
that I'm not into roles,
984
00:49:08,850 --> 00:49:12,620
and being gay for me is a whole
political power type situation.
985
00:49:12,620 --> 00:49:14,490
-I don't really know how to
talk about what it's like, I
986
00:49:14,490 --> 00:49:17,200
guess it's like to love, I mean.
987
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,140
The woman that I'm
involved with right now,
988
00:49:19,140 --> 00:49:23,030
I guess I don't know
why I love her but I do.
989
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,830
[MUSIC - WILLOW WRAY, "I FOUND
YOU"]
990
00:51:29,620 --> 00:51:33,500
-I came because, um,
I'm proud of being gay
991
00:51:33,500 --> 00:51:35,320
and I wanted to let
people know that.
992
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,050
And I thought the
more of us-- and I
993
00:51:37,050 --> 00:51:38,650
knew also it was going
to be an incredible high,
994
00:51:38,650 --> 00:51:41,360
I mean there's no way that you
can see this many gay people
995
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,100
together ever any
other time of the year,
996
00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:46,300
and it's such a free thing.
997
00:51:46,300 --> 00:51:49,080
Cause, you know,
usually you walk around,
998
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,070
you can gay but you know most
people don't know you are
999
00:51:51,070 --> 00:51:52,690
and if they know
you are, you assume
1000
00:51:52,690 --> 00:51:54,020
that they hate you for it.
1001
00:51:54,020 --> 00:51:56,910
And here you can walk around
and people love you for it,
1002
00:51:56,910 --> 00:51:58,360
you know, and you
can love them for it.
1003
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,800
Well the straights over
here are for gay rights
1004
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:02,740
and a lot of them are
our friends in someways
1005
00:52:02,740 --> 00:52:05,090
you know I mean like,
they're not afraid.
1006
00:52:05,090 --> 00:52:06,220
In some ways of
course, they don't
1007
00:52:06,220 --> 00:52:07,540
have to be as afraid
as gay people do
1008
00:52:07,540 --> 00:52:08,780
because they aren't
going to get it.
1009
00:52:08,780 --> 00:52:10,810
I'm digging the fact that this
is the first time ever I've
1010
00:52:10,810 --> 00:52:13,180
been with this many men,
and I have not been afraid,
1011
00:52:13,180 --> 00:52:14,460
and I've not been hassled.
1012
00:52:14,460 --> 00:52:17,530
And to be able to be out in the
streets with this many people
1013
00:52:17,530 --> 00:52:20,810
and not be afraid of them
physically or mentally,
1014
00:52:20,810 --> 00:52:23,650
you know, is just-- it's
never happening to me
1015
00:52:23,650 --> 00:52:25,850
before in my life except
maybe at the lesbian commerce
1016
00:52:25,850 --> 00:52:27,330
but that was with women right?
1017
00:52:27,330 --> 00:52:28,700
And this is like being
in the real world,
1018
00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:31,760
the whole real world, and
not having to be separate
1019
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,150
and being able to be yourself.
1020
00:52:35,150 --> 00:52:36,110
You can't beat it.
1021
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:42,070
-For the straight folks
who don't mind gays
1022
00:52:42,070 --> 00:52:44,360
but wish they
weren't blatant, you
1023
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,210
know some people
got a lot of nerve.
1024
00:52:47,210 --> 00:52:50,320
Sometimes I don't believe
the things I see and hear.
1025
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,930
Have you met the woman who was
shocked by two women kissing
1026
00:52:53,930 --> 00:52:57,200
and in the same breath tells
you that she's pregnant?
1027
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,520
But gays shouldn't be blatant.
1028
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,550
Or the straight couples
sits next to you in a movie
1029
00:53:01,550 --> 00:53:04,420
and you can't hear the dialogue
because of the sound effects,
1030
00:53:04,420 --> 00:53:06,310
but gays shouldn't be blatant.
1031
00:53:06,310 --> 00:53:09,210
And the woman in your office
spends your whole lunch hour
1032
00:53:09,210 --> 00:53:11,360
talking about her
new bikini drawers
1033
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,870
and how much her husband
likes them, but gays
1034
00:53:13,870 --> 00:53:15,270
shouldn't be blatant.
1035
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:17,890
Or the hip chick in your
class babbling a mile a minute
1036
00:53:17,890 --> 00:53:19,060
while you're trying
to get stalled
1037
00:53:19,060 --> 00:53:20,890
in the john about
the camping trip
1038
00:53:20,890 --> 00:53:23,050
she took with her
musician boyfriend.
1039
00:53:23,050 --> 00:53:25,110
But gays shouldn't be blatant.
1040
00:53:25,110 --> 00:53:26,830
You go in a public
bathroom and all
1041
00:53:26,830 --> 00:53:29,910
over the walls there's John
loves Mary, Janice digs
1042
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:32,500
Richard, Pepe loves
Delores, et cetera,
1043
00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:34,230
but gays shouldn't be blatant.
1044
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:36,450
Or you go to an amusement
park and there's
1045
00:53:36,450 --> 00:53:38,760
a tunnel of love and
pictures of straights painted
1046
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,390
on the front and grinning
couples coming in and out,
1047
00:53:41,390 --> 00:53:43,200
but gays shouldn't be blatant.
1048
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,330
The fact is blatant
heterosexuals
1049
00:53:45,330 --> 00:53:47,910
are all over the
place-- supermarkets,
1050
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:51,890
movies, at work, in church, in
books, on television every day
1051
00:53:51,890 --> 00:53:54,780
and night, every place,
even in gay bars.
1052
00:53:54,780 --> 00:53:58,770
And they want gay men and women
to go hide in the closets.
1053
00:53:58,770 --> 00:54:03,590
So you straight folks, I say,
sure, I'll go, if you go too.
1054
00:54:03,590 --> 00:54:05,850
But I'm polite, so after you.
1055
00:54:05,850 --> 00:54:08,850
-Well, right now I'm employed
as a nursery school teacher
1056
00:54:08,850 --> 00:54:12,150
for the Cross Cultural Family
Center here in San Francisco.
1057
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:13,810
And I work with two,
three, and four year
1058
00:54:13,810 --> 00:54:16,040
old children as a teacher.
1059
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,790
-And they have for as
long I've been out.
1060
00:54:19,790 --> 00:54:23,060
And maybe for as long as
I'm aware of being gay,
1061
00:54:23,060 --> 00:54:26,100
that was a question
with my desired
1062
00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:28,090
ballet training as a kid.
1063
00:54:28,090 --> 00:54:29,920
My mother's best
friend said that I'd
1064
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:35,010
be a silly little faggot, so
I didn't get ballet training.
1065
00:54:35,010 --> 00:54:37,280
I would have want to,
I'm sorry I didn't now,
1066
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:38,650
it would have been
nice preparation.
1067
00:54:38,650 --> 00:54:41,240
-Oh I just, I just
enjoy it so much.
1068
00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:43,010
I just love being
with little children
1069
00:54:43,010 --> 00:54:46,030
and I love sharing my
love with little children.
1070
00:54:46,030 --> 00:54:48,240
Watching them run
and jump and grow.
1071
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:50,790
It's been a shear
joy, just a joy.
1072
00:54:50,790 --> 00:54:54,480
-I'm from San Diego, and
with the exception of friends
1073
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,130
I've made since I've been
here, most of my friends
1074
00:54:57,130 --> 00:55:00,130
here are San Diego gay men.
1075
00:55:00,130 --> 00:55:04,490
And we moved pretty
well on for that reason
1076
00:55:04,490 --> 00:55:06,370
because it wasn't
possible there.
1077
00:55:06,370 --> 00:55:10,110
We didn't give as possible
to be comfortably gay,
1078
00:55:10,110 --> 00:55:13,420
be where we are and
be gay and stay there.
1079
00:55:13,420 --> 00:55:14,120
So we split.
1080
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,710
This is the place
to be to do that.
1081
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:19,310
-Living in San
Francisco has been,
1082
00:55:19,310 --> 00:55:21,970
has been a real
saving grace for that.
1083
00:55:21,970 --> 00:55:23,990
I found problems with it
as a junior high school
1084
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:26,200
teacher in Rochester, New York.
1085
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,330
That's one of the reasons
that led me to come out here.
1086
00:55:29,330 --> 00:55:31,860
I used to teach junior
high school for five years,
1087
00:55:31,860 --> 00:55:34,470
I was a junior high school art
teacher in upstate New York.
1088
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:38,290
Was in the closet, was feeling
very dissatisfied with myself.
1089
00:55:38,290 --> 00:55:40,240
And then I came out to
visit San Francisco,
1090
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:44,100
and saw everyone loving everyone
else and saw so much openness
1091
00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:45,570
and I just knew
I had to be here.
1092
00:55:45,570 --> 00:55:49,310
-I guess it's cause I'm gay,
I haven't ever been straight,
1093
00:55:49,310 --> 00:55:51,180
so I don't know
how I would relate
1094
00:55:51,180 --> 00:55:53,840
to this if I were straight.
1095
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,300
-Because I have
beautiful relationships
1096
00:55:55,300 --> 00:55:56,710
with their parents as well.
1097
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:58,400
I, for the first
time in my life,
1098
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:03,160
I can live as an open gay person
and can totally be myself.
1099
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:04,970
I could be as flashy
as I want and I
1100
00:56:04,970 --> 00:56:07,420
could be as
conservative as I want.
1101
00:56:07,420 --> 00:56:09,390
-Well, here's the story.
1102
00:56:09,390 --> 00:56:13,130
When I was four years old, I
used to put blocks in my socks
1103
00:56:13,130 --> 00:56:15,630
because I always wanted
to wear high heels.
1104
00:56:15,630 --> 00:56:18,530
And I used to do it very
secretive, you know.
1105
00:56:18,530 --> 00:56:21,140
Well I came to San
Francisco and I
1106
00:56:21,140 --> 00:56:22,920
found out that it was really OK.
1107
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,210
And I wear my high
heels on days like today
1108
00:56:26,210 --> 00:56:28,540
because I've always wanted
to wear high heels, you know.
1109
00:56:28,540 --> 00:56:30,500
I think it's really, it's OK.
1110
00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:33,770
It's perfectly all right
to wear high heels.
1111
00:56:33,770 --> 00:56:35,300
I get a little
flack now and again
1112
00:56:35,300 --> 00:56:37,170
but I can handle it I hope.
1113
00:56:37,170 --> 00:56:40,850
-My feeling is about drags,
it's degrading to women.
1114
00:56:40,850 --> 00:56:43,100
And I don't pretend to
understand what motivates
1115
00:56:43,100 --> 00:56:46,240
the men to do that but I know
that the whole society mocks
1116
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:49,990
women at the same time that
it pushes them into that role.
1117
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:52,920
And I think that there are women
still all over the country, all
1118
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:54,610
over the world,
suffering from trying
1119
00:56:54,610 --> 00:56:56,680
to being that stereotype.
1120
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,540
And being taught continually
that that's what they're to be.
1121
00:56:59,540 --> 00:57:02,270
And then to see men just getting
off on it knowing that they're
1122
00:57:02,270 --> 00:57:04,650
not stuck with the
oppression that goes with it.
1123
00:57:04,650 --> 00:57:05,960
That they're just
having a good time.
1124
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,930
They can take off their
dress and their makeup
1125
00:57:08,930 --> 00:57:10,180
and just be free of that role.
1126
00:57:10,180 --> 00:57:13,560
So really to me, it's a
very, very heavy issue.
1127
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:14,870
-Oh I love it.
1128
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:16,720
I made a decision
a long time ago not
1129
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,600
to do anything I
didn't feel good about.
1130
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,870
To have a good
time, to have fun.
1131
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:22,990
I mean it's the only
thing worth doing.
1132
00:57:22,990 --> 00:57:24,590
-Really, I haven't
taken any time
1133
00:57:24,590 --> 00:57:27,060
to deal with drag
queens or men who
1134
00:57:27,060 --> 00:57:29,680
are into drags, because
I find it offensive.
1135
00:57:32,330 --> 00:57:35,090
-Drag is just the tool that
you use to express who you are,
1136
00:57:35,090 --> 00:57:36,870
and in terms of clothes.
1137
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:39,230
Some people wear leather,
some people wear feathers,
1138
00:57:39,230 --> 00:57:42,220
some people wear sequins,
some people wear Levi's.
1139
00:57:42,220 --> 00:57:42,930
It's all drag.
1140
00:57:42,930 --> 00:57:45,420
It's all the tools to tell
other people who you are.
1141
00:57:45,420 --> 00:57:46,190
-I like outrageousness.
1142
00:57:46,190 --> 00:57:49,660
You know like I like punk
rock and I like crazy things.
1143
00:57:49,660 --> 00:57:51,920
But I'm a punk rock freak.
1144
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,970
But drag is somewhat
offensive to me.
1145
00:57:54,970 --> 00:57:57,760
-And I think that when
you're having a good time,
1146
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:02,200
people relate to that goodness,
even if it's not their style.
1147
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:06,930
-When I see men dressed up,
um, as Anita Bryant look likes
1148
00:58:06,930 --> 00:58:10,390
and, which is what they're
doing most of the time,
1149
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:12,330
in a very offensive
way, cause there's
1150
00:58:12,330 --> 00:58:15,150
no description for
womanhood in my mind.
1151
00:58:15,150 --> 00:58:16,440
-It runs from all sorts.
1152
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:17,710
I mean people love
it, people hate it.
1153
00:58:17,710 --> 00:58:20,630
The same way that people love
or hate you no matter what.
1154
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:23,240
But it's just the
focusing device, you know?
1155
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,160
It's like a magnifying glass
that just makes it clear,
1156
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,520
it makes it bigger in your eyes.
1157
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,780
And I still relate to people
hopefully as I would relate
1158
00:58:31,780 --> 00:58:33,680
to them outside of this
dress and this feathers
1159
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:34,380
and these makeup.
1160
00:58:36,780 --> 00:58:38,250
-Into it is a giggle.
1161
00:58:38,250 --> 00:58:40,720
I talked to a guy at this
thing we went to last Sunday
1162
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,260
and it's just a giggle.
1163
00:58:42,260 --> 00:58:44,190
-Yeah, because it's
fun there's also
1164
00:58:44,190 --> 00:58:46,140
a political sentiment behind it.
1165
00:58:46,140 --> 00:58:48,770
I mean I feel a
victim of sexism.
1166
00:58:48,770 --> 00:58:52,750
And I think it to understand
what I am victimized about,
1167
00:58:52,750 --> 00:58:55,100
I have to understand
what sex is all about,
1168
00:58:55,100 --> 00:58:58,690
both as a homosexual--
as relating to women,
1169
00:58:58,690 --> 00:59:02,190
sex in terms of the clothes
that they wear and stuff,
1170
00:59:02,190 --> 00:59:06,420
this helps me feel
androgynous or hermaphrodite.
1171
00:59:06,420 --> 00:59:09,510
I mean it makes me feel
like a whole person
1172
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:10,920
instead of just half a person.
1173
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,400
Just like I'm part of the whole
human race instead of just half
1174
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:15,480
of it.
1175
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,700
-In to radical a
societies and oppressive
1176
00:59:17,700 --> 00:59:19,700
societies and fashion societies.
1177
00:59:19,700 --> 00:59:21,590
People are taught
to dress a like.
1178
00:59:21,590 --> 00:59:23,980
People are forced to
dress alike, to act alike,
1179
00:59:23,980 --> 00:59:28,060
to perform a life as opposed
to follow their inner needs,
1180
00:59:28,060 --> 00:59:30,760
inner inter wants,
their own promotion.
1181
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:31,660
And it's easier.
1182
00:59:31,660 --> 00:59:34,340
It's easier to control people
when you don't relate to them
1183
00:59:34,340 --> 00:59:35,730
on an individual
level, or you're
1184
00:59:35,730 --> 00:59:37,720
relating to them as an image.
1185
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,930
I'm an individual human being
and I want to express that.
1186
00:59:40,930 --> 00:59:43,090
I want to express the
truth inside of me.
1187
00:59:43,090 --> 00:59:44,310
I mean everybody is different.
1188
00:59:44,310 --> 00:59:47,400
They need to express that
differentness then people don't
1189
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,620
automatically fall into line
and start automatically taking
1190
00:59:50,620 --> 00:59:56,430
orders and automatically not
question what superiors quote
1191
00:59:56,430 --> 00:59:58,610
unquote are telling them to do.
1192
00:59:58,610 --> 01:00:01,420
And when everybody
looks alike, then you're
1193
01:00:01,420 --> 01:00:03,800
just assuming that everybody
is exactly like you,
1194
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,940
so you can take all these
liberties with them,
1195
01:00:05,940 --> 01:00:09,060
as opposed to seeing that
people are into different trips.
1196
01:00:09,060 --> 01:00:12,210
When you look at mass
demonstrations in totalitarian
1197
01:00:12,210 --> 01:00:15,410
societies, I mean, where you
see these, as many people
1198
01:00:15,410 --> 01:00:17,200
as there are here
today, you don't
1199
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,130
get a sense of the individual,
you don't get a sense
1200
01:00:19,130 --> 01:00:21,200
that these are
real people there,
1201
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,130
you only I mean
see herds of sheep.
1202
01:00:24,130 --> 01:00:27,160
I mean the basis of
racism and sexism and ages
1203
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,910
and seeing people
at not individuals,
1204
01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:32,040
but seeing them as
part of the group.
1205
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:36,230
Seeing them as stereotypes,
you know, a faggot
1206
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:38,680
or a nigger or a dirty old man.
1207
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,180
You begin not to think
of people as individuals.
1208
01:00:42,180 --> 01:00:44,140
People dress alike,
people talk like, people
1209
01:00:44,140 --> 01:00:45,710
raise their hands at same time.
1210
01:00:45,710 --> 01:00:47,190
When people are just
being themselves,
1211
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:49,900
you begin to see that there
is this whole diversity.
1212
01:00:49,900 --> 01:00:52,950
Seeing all these people
today just gives one
1213
01:00:52,950 --> 01:00:55,350
a sense of confidence
that that kind of thing
1214
01:00:55,350 --> 01:00:57,120
could never happen
again because there's
1215
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,650
this whole spectrum
of people around.
1216
01:00:59,650 --> 01:01:03,530
And certainly some of us are not
going to let that happen again.
1217
01:01:03,530 --> 01:01:07,170
-I notice a lot of people
wearing pink triangles today.
1218
01:01:07,170 --> 01:01:10,980
-The pink triangle has come
into use in recent years
1219
01:01:10,980 --> 01:01:14,830
as an identification with
the gay individuals, who
1220
01:01:14,830 --> 01:01:17,900
were imprisoned in Nazi
Germany, and were forced
1221
01:01:17,900 --> 01:01:21,770
to wear a pink triangle
signifying their homosexuality.
1222
01:01:21,770 --> 01:01:26,670
The sad fact of gay
history during that time
1223
01:01:26,670 --> 01:01:29,990
is that very few people,
either then or even now,
1224
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:33,920
realize how many or hundreds
of thousands of gay individuals
1225
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,750
were rounded up, thrown
into concentration camps,
1226
01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:42,700
and killed, executed
summarily or worked to death.
1227
01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:45,350
The homosexual
population in Germany
1228
01:01:45,350 --> 01:01:49,870
was one of the first populations
that was subjected to genocide.
1229
01:01:49,870 --> 01:01:52,440
In fact some of the
methods of extermination
1230
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:56,230
that were used
later had first been
1231
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:58,820
try it out on gay individuals.
1232
01:01:58,820 --> 01:02:02,030
Gay people must learn
their own history.
1233
01:02:02,030 --> 01:02:03,570
Many people wear
the pink triangle
1234
01:02:03,570 --> 01:02:06,520
and probably have
little idea how
1235
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:10,830
horrible the history
of that triangle is.
1236
01:02:10,830 --> 01:02:13,320
[MUSIC PLAYING]
1237
01:02:55,740 --> 01:02:57,730
-(CHANTING) Gay rights now!
1238
01:02:57,730 --> 01:02:59,230
Gay rights now!
1239
01:02:59,230 --> 01:03:00,730
Gay rights now!
1240
01:03:15,170 --> 01:03:18,230
-If you could invite one
gay person from any period
1241
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:20,370
of history, who would you
like to see here today?
1242
01:03:20,370 --> 01:03:23,880
-Well I, I wouldn't want to
say anyone one person I'd like.
1243
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,820
I mean, I can think of lots
and lots of people that like,
1244
01:03:26,820 --> 01:03:27,720
I wish were here.
1245
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:28,420
I wish.
1246
01:03:28,420 --> 01:03:31,660
-Well I think I would like
to see Alexander the Great,
1247
01:03:31,660 --> 01:03:33,030
after reading the
"Persian Boy," I
1248
01:03:33,030 --> 01:03:34,870
think it would be a
beautiful history lesson
1249
01:03:34,870 --> 01:03:37,240
to see that men
strutting down the street
1250
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:40,480
with the sunlight
glinting off of his armor.
1251
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:44,760
-I wish all Amazons were here
that raise so much ruckus.
1252
01:03:48,030 --> 01:03:49,670
-Herman Melville.
1253
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:51,140
-I'd like to have
Jesus Christ, I'm
1254
01:03:51,140 --> 01:03:52,540
pretty convinced he was gay.
1255
01:03:55,170 --> 01:03:56,580
I mean, any man
that has no women
1256
01:03:56,580 --> 01:04:00,340
and you know, who can say,
we know he had no women,
1257
01:04:00,340 --> 01:04:01,300
it says that in the Bible.
1258
01:04:01,300 --> 01:04:05,980
It never mentioned no men so
I think that probably was gay.
1259
01:04:05,980 --> 01:04:07,720
-Well, I think he'd
enjoy the parade.
1260
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,280
-I think he would
definitely enjoy the parade.
1261
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,600
He's see that a lot of people
dress like him for sure.
1262
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:15,780
-I wish Sappho was here
and all, all her friends.
1263
01:04:18,450 --> 01:04:23,820
-I think James
Baldwin, if he's gay.
1264
01:04:23,820 --> 01:04:27,570
-I wish Diana the
Huntress was here.
1265
01:04:27,570 --> 01:04:29,420
-Probably Buster Crab you know.
1266
01:04:29,420 --> 01:04:31,580
Nowadays he could
still be in his movies.
1267
01:04:31,580 --> 01:04:34,480
Back then they kicked him
out of his movie contract
1268
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,150
for being gay.
1269
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:37,270
-Bessie Smith.
1270
01:04:37,270 --> 01:04:40,620
-Well I think, I
think Andre Gide would
1271
01:04:40,620 --> 01:04:44,250
be the man I was thinking about
today as I was going along.
1272
01:04:44,250 --> 01:04:47,190
When I was a student, Andre
Gide, the great French man
1273
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:49,850
of letters, was an
inspiration and model
1274
01:04:49,850 --> 01:04:52,190
because he was open
about his gayness
1275
01:04:52,190 --> 01:04:53,880
although it was a
struggle for him.
1276
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:55,930
And he would have liked
taking to the streets.
1277
01:04:55,930 --> 01:04:59,710
He was a man of the streets
as well as a man of letters.
1278
01:04:59,710 --> 01:05:04,000
-The spectacle of today with all
of the thousands and thousands
1279
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,660
and thousands of people on
the streets in San Francisco
1280
01:05:06,660 --> 01:05:09,350
and in other major
cities, is that's it's
1281
01:05:09,350 --> 01:05:12,330
a statement to
everyone in the world
1282
01:05:12,330 --> 01:05:15,910
that there are gay people, that
there is a gay life, that there
1283
01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:19,490
is a gay community
for the young person
1284
01:05:19,490 --> 01:05:23,520
somewhere feeling
very much alone.
1285
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:27,670
This kind of statement does
away with that terrible sense
1286
01:05:27,670 --> 01:05:30,060
of isolation and loneliness.
1287
01:05:30,060 --> 01:05:32,800
We used to have an expression
that so and so was not
1288
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:34,760
for street wear, meaning
you couldn't walk down
1289
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,820
the street with
them without being
1290
01:05:36,820 --> 01:05:39,110
somewhat identified
as a gay person.
1291
01:05:39,110 --> 01:05:40,620
And if you were trying
to keep a cover,
1292
01:05:40,620 --> 01:05:44,480
if you were trying to maintain
a job or live in a community
1293
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,380
where you didn't want
people to know you were gay.
1294
01:05:46,380 --> 01:05:48,210
There were certain people
you couldn't associated with.
1295
01:05:48,210 --> 01:05:50,860
But those people,
we always knew,
1296
01:05:50,860 --> 01:05:52,150
were serving us a purpose.
1297
01:05:52,150 --> 01:05:55,320
They gave us a screen
behind which we could hide.
1298
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,480
And therefore, it's very
important in today's gay parade
1299
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,640
that there be individuals who
are blatant, who are obvious,
1300
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:03,610
who are outrageous.
1301
01:06:03,610 --> 01:06:05,270
Because they've
always been there.
1302
01:06:05,270 --> 01:06:07,350
The drag queens,
the hair fairies,
1303
01:06:07,350 --> 01:06:11,460
the people who by their
behavior said, I'm so gay,
1304
01:06:11,460 --> 01:06:13,770
I can't cover it up.
1305
01:06:13,770 --> 01:06:15,860
And then the rest of us
could stand on the sidelines
1306
01:06:15,860 --> 01:06:17,480
and let the rest
of the world think
1307
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:19,440
that that's what a gay
person looked like.
1308
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:23,540
Today, we join them
and hold hands.
1309
01:06:23,540 --> 01:06:26,970
[MUSIC - TOMMY TALLEY, "ALL
PEOPLE"]
1310
01:09:11,950 --> 01:09:18,110
[MUSIC - ELLEN ROBINSON, "GLAD
TO BE LOVING YOU"]
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