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SINGER: I wonder why that is.
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The paper boy
don't come no more.
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JOES MEYEROWITZ
[VOICEOVER]: Why do
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some photographers
go to the street,
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and other photographers
go to a studio?
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Some people want to
pretend it's a movie,
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and other photographers walk
into the world and they say,
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show me.
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Those select few, through
time, who are willing to go out
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into chaos with some
high hopes of interacting
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with a moment where life will
become clarified for them.
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They can welcome
ambiguity and surreal
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aspects of this kind of chaos.
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Even though it's
chaos, they will
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have a moment of clarification.
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[vibraphone playing]
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JOEL MEYEROWITZ: I
was an art director
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and Robert Frank
shot this job for me,
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and it was so interesting,
I had never seen
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a real photographer before.
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He just was so physical
and he moved so agilely,
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and he was balletic, and and he
kind of whispered to the girls
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as he was photographing them.
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And I left that
shoot two hours later
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and I went out on the street
and suddenly everything
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on the street was alive to me.
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Someone waiting for a taxi,
two people hugging goodbye,
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and I started saying, click,
click, click, in my mind.
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And by the time I got back to
my office I knew I had to leave.
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I walked into my
office, art director
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said, how did the shoot go?
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And I said, it was
great, I'm quitting.
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And he said, why what
are you going to do?
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I said, I want to
be a photographer.
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And I remember he asked me
the crucial question he said,
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do you have a camera?
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I said, no I don't
have a camera.
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He said, how are you
going to make pictures
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if you don't have a camera?
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And he opened his drawer, and
he handed me his camera, Pentax,
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and he said, here, use this
until you get a camera.
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So that for me
was the beginning.
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I wandered the streets not
knowing what I was shooting.
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I just knew I had to be
out there watching life
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because I was interested in
the way people did things.
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It seemed to me that's
what you photographed,
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the instantaneous
gesture when somebody
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made some kind of a motion,
or did something physical.
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I think that part of
what you love when you're
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a street photographer is
this kind of sensibility that
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develops where you think you
understand something about, not
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only the person
you're photographing,
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or the group you're
photographing,
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but the culture at large.
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Responding to things,
and at the same time
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you're learning what
they mean to you.
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What does a gesture signify?
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What does a certain kind of
person make you feel like?
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You learn to deepen your
way of reading these signs.
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It's the joy of the exchange.
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Only I can identify
with them in this way.
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So it's a way of
learning to read
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your culture, which is, I
think, a great fascination
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for photographers.
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[camera snaps]
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[camera snaps]
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[camera snaps]
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[camera snaps]
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[techno music plays]
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BOOGIE: I carry my camera
with me, at least one
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camera with me, at all times.
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You really never know when
something's going to happen.
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It's like a Samurai.
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But, you don't have time
to think, you just react.
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I was born and raised
in Belgrade, Serbia.
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It was amazing, you
know, because we grew
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up in a perfectly safe society.
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Then all of a sudden,
it just became terrible.
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All of a sudden we had
war going on all around,
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people were coming back from
the front lines half insane,
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a lot of weapons,
crime was on the rise.
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I think I started
to take pictures
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of in the midst of the insanity,
of the chaos and sanctions.
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Basically I tried to
preserve my sanity, you know,
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because when you're
behind the camera
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you're not a participant,
you're just an observer.
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In 2003 I started shooting
these junkies and gangsters
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in Bushwick, Bed-stuy.
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What can they do to me?
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They can kill me, so what?
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Yeah.
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I remember a couple
of times I was
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in with some scary situations,
and my hands would shake
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when I would change the roll.
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My hands were
shaking, literally.
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But then when I would
start shooting, no,
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still, like a wolf, they
can't sense any fear.
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And you can't fake that.
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It's like, OK, she's sitting
on a toilet, shooting up,
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and I'm standing on a bathtub
taking pictures, and I'm fine.
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It's like, cold, no feeling.
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For me it's becoming
what you're shooting.
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We have to get into their heads.
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My accent, I think, helps.
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You know I don't sound
like anyone they hate,
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and then in a way we develop
some kind of relationship.
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Of course I was offered
crack many times,
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one guy was like, hey man,
hey you want some crack?
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Hey man, no, I have an
addictive personality,
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I don't want to do it.
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But crack is not addictive.
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I'm like, come on man,
shut up, look at you.
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He's like, yeah,
you're right man.
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Gang kids, they
asked, hey Boogie,
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would you like to take some
pictures of us with guns?
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And I just couldn't
believe it was happening.
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I'm like, yeah.
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And then we are in the
hallway of the projects,
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loading guns, bang, bang.
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And it wasn't just about
taking pictures at that point,
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it was just about being there.
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You know this thing
like, there are lines
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that shouldn't be crossed.
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What are those lines?
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The deeper you go, the
better pictures you'll take.
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And it becomes like, the most
important thing in your life.
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And it can ultimately
fuck you up, this trail.
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I thought I would continue
the project in some way,
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but it was just so depressing.
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I would go there and I
couldn't recover for a week.
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This chapter was
closed, it was over.
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After the book was done I gave
it to some people over there.
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They loved it.
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I think they feel like they're
leaving something behind.
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Same thing with
photographers, you
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feel better knowing
that, I don't know,
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in many years you
won't to be around,
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but your book will still
be in some bookstore.
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And someone will look at it.
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And you feel like
you become immortal.
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MAX KOZLOFF: People
with cameras who
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want to photograph New York,
and do it kind of a justice
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have a problem.
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Here is a city where
everything happens almost,
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it seems, at once.
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Noise, movement, combustions,
energy, dissonance, danger.
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New York photographers have
to take all those matters
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into account to do some kind
of record that encompasses
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a human setting, and
a cluster of variables
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that defy imagination.
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So it was no wonder that
a number of photographers
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grew up taking
advantage of this,
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what I call, volatile proximity
of citizens to each other.
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It seems one will never catch
up if one does this in New York.
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And that's what
advances the motivations
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of everyone who tries it.
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MARTHA COOPER: When I first
moved to New York, which
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was in 1975, I got a job
with the New York Post,
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and of course we
were shooting film.
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And I had two cameras and
both cameras were loaded,
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so I often had a lot
of film left over.
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It just became my habit,
at the end of the day,
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to cruise through alphabet city
on my way back to the post.
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The Lower East Side
at the time was
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a complete, like,
bombed out, war-zone.
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Vast empty areas
and vacant lots.
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What I learned when I
was studying anthropology
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was definitely the point of
view I had when I was taking
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pictures in New
York, which is sort
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of an ethnographic
point of view,
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as opposed to trying
to be an artist.
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I'm not trying to do a kind
of investigative reporting
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where I'm showing the evils
of landlords, for example.
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I'm more about public space, and
how people are using the space,
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and how people are
surviving, and how they're
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using the raw materials that
become available when all
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these buildings are torn down
to maybe build a little go-cart,
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or build a little clubhouse.
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And that was the sort of
thing I was looking for.
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Anything this ephemeral
is like, wonderful subject
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matter for a still photograph.
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You know it's not going
to be around for long,
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and in just less than a
second you can take a picture
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and preserve it.
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[funky organ playing]
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One of the kids that
had been flying pigeons
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showed me his little
book of drawings,
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and that's how I
got into graffiti.
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There were a handful of people
taking pictures of graffiti.
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And if we hadn't been,
well then, a lot of it
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would have been lost.
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[bass and drums playing]
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It looks as if every
car was covered
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with this beautiful
graffiti, but in fact
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you could and stand for five
hours and never even get one.
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It was not easy to
catch those trains.
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I mean I would wake up before
dawn, in the winter when it was
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cold, and go up to the Bronx and
stand in a vacant lot for hours
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just waiting for the
train to come by,
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and sometimes nothing
would come by,
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and I used to get
calls, Yo Martha,
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we did a piece on the whatever.
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MAN [ON RECORDING]:
[inaudible] on the six line,
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bright colors, last lot
[inaudible] talking about,
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Vice Boys, you know the crew.
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MARTHA COOPER: For
me it was always
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a matter of getting
the right background
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with the right train.
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I don't want to see
10 pictures of trains
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with the same background.
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So if you look at
subway art, you
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won't see the same background,
because once I got a really
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nice piece with a
really nice background
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I would go find
another background,
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stand in another vacant lot.
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Bottom line is, you've captured
something that actually might
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be of interest in the future.
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And it's not until things are
gone that you realize that you
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miss taking a picture of them.
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JILL FREEDMAN: Hi guys.
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How you doing?
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Jesus.
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Hard-ons aren't they?
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Bunch of hard-ons.
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CROWD: If you are a photographer
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or you are videotaping
you have the right
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to do so within a reasonable
distance of the police.
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If the police ask
you to move back,
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move back as little as possible.
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You're interested
in photography?
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I need to.
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Well you know I
have an exhibition
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of photographs on now.
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Really, where is it?
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Madison Avenue
between 65th and 66th.
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Madison, 65th and 66th.
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The show is called street cops.
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It's from a book I
did that came out
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in '81, nice precinct in
Midtown South, 30 years ago
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when there were real cops.
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[electric guitar plays]
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I have never seen a
book about good cops.
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I have seen books about the
bums, the crooks, the creeps.
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I've always seen all
the bad behavior.
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I have never seen a
book about a good cop,
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and certainly not
photographs, and certainly not
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showing what is the job.
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Simply, what does it mean to
be a cop in New York City?
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Well in the beginning I would
do a couple double tours, go
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on a four to 12, do
that or maybe I'd
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go a little into
midnight, and still
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manage to miss the one time
they had a delivery of a baby.
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Fell into the woman's
pantyhose, that's
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why I had to be
in the first car,
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if I got there a second
later, I didn't get the shot.
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When I was doing the job
everybody didn't have a camera
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and I worked on being invisible.
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Although when I
first started, they
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got some bad guy,
some malefactor,
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and they were cuffing him
and putting him in a car,
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and he said, get that
fucking bitch and a camera
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away from me.
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I thought, that's the least
of your problems, pal.
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If they don't do the crime,
don't get your picture,
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you know?
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And shut the fuck
up furthermore.
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Yeah they were afraid of
me, I'm a tough mother.
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Fuckin' A they
were afraid of me.
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Those are the perpetrators
who were cuffed,
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and there's blood on the
floor, a pack of Pall-Malls,
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in the blood, and the
[inaudible] I suppose,
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is supposed to be [inaudible],
leaned over, came over
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to the table, you
know because he
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wanted to get in the picture.
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And I was scared most of time,
you know, well, violence.
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I want you to-- boom!
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That's it, you're gone.
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We ran to a thing,
the kid was shot
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in the stomach with a shotgun.
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The true color of violence,
not red like ketchup,
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gray like dead.
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And the book was
about that, this is
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not a movie this is not the TV.
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It's an honor to be able to make
a good photograph of anyone,
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and it's a great privilege.
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It's the only tool that
will stop time itself.
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I majored in sociology
and cultural anthropology,
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and I thought all I wanted to
do was get out into the world.
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And I only realised
that that's what
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I was doing with the camera.
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So by the firemen again,
it was no question
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that I'm going to run in like,
and do a journalism thing.
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I wrote in the book,
they're like soldiers
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and they will die
for someone else
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or someone else's property.
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They're not like soldiers,
they do not kill.
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They bring life, not death.
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And this is how I proceeded.
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What I saw was men that
really love each other.
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And usually it's a
pity that that only
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happens in the front
lines and in combat.
305
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And I got to see the genuine
affection and the love
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and the working together and
the lack of the stupid crap.
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Gentleness, the gentle giant
kind of thing, with the hand
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on the head, how tender.
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It is firstly a big
man being gentle,
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oh, it just always gets me.
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They saved this whole family,
that they thought the building
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have been emptied,
and one of my guys
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heard the grandmother
crying above the fire floor,
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so I had to walk
away on that one.
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00:25:58,208 --> 00:26:01,385
I was being touched
all the time,
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but I knew I'd die
before anyone saw me cry.
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That's how many we lost, 343.
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Oh, wow, wow, oh wow.
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[crying]
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[ELECTRIC GUITAR AND DRUMS
PLAYING]
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JEFF MERMELSTEIN: So I
moved to New York in 1978,
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and I guess I brought with me
a naivete, an unknowingness,
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a freshness, of having grown
up on a typical suburban block.
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So I bring with me a
different kind of a sponge.
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I immediately fell in love
with the energy and all
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that it's made up of.
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00:28:37,498 --> 00:28:39,630
The density of the
people, and who they are,
328
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and what they're doing.
329
00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:53,557
I like busy streets.
330
00:28:53,601 --> 00:28:56,082
I like empty streets.
331
00:28:56,125 --> 00:28:58,040
Sometimes I'll see
something on the ground
332
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and it has no people in it.
333
00:29:01,652 --> 00:29:03,263
I'm always looking
in storefronts
334
00:29:03,306 --> 00:29:05,787
and bank windows
and cafes, and I
335
00:29:05,831 --> 00:29:07,789
like going into the whirlwind.
336
00:29:07,833 --> 00:29:09,138
I like it all.
337
00:29:09,182 --> 00:29:09,922
I really like it all.
338
00:29:20,410 --> 00:29:22,369
One of the most exciting things
in this kind of photography
339
00:29:22,412 --> 00:29:24,719
is the ingredient of
surprise, not only
340
00:29:24,763 --> 00:29:26,982
surprise at what your encounter
might be in the real world,
341
00:29:27,026 --> 00:29:29,332
but what you get
back on the film.
342
00:29:29,376 --> 00:29:32,161
That's part of the reason why
we're excited to get our film.
343
00:29:32,205 --> 00:29:33,989
I don't care how many
rolls I take of something.
344
00:29:34,033 --> 00:29:35,730
To me that doesn't
matter at all.
345
00:29:35,774 --> 00:29:38,254
It's not like a contest.
346
00:29:38,298 --> 00:29:40,648
Sometimes a picture
will happen single,
347
00:29:40,691 --> 00:29:42,345
but often it will
not happen that way.
348
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:45,174
And clearly I have a
memory of the burning shoe.
349
00:29:45,218 --> 00:29:47,394
When I saw a burning
shoe I couldn't-- I mean,
350
00:29:47,437 --> 00:29:48,961
I couldn't believe it.
351
00:29:49,004 --> 00:29:50,614
I couldn't have
thought about it,
352
00:29:50,658 --> 00:29:53,139
I couldn't have thought
of it happening.
353
00:29:53,182 --> 00:29:56,098
And I was like, how
much film do I have?
354
00:29:56,142 --> 00:29:58,318
So I had like three
rolls that day,
355
00:29:58,361 --> 00:30:02,409
and I have at least maybe,
I don't know, seven frames.
356
00:30:02,452 --> 00:30:03,932
You know they're going
to vary, this has
357
00:30:03,976 --> 00:30:06,021
a particular pedestrian, a
particular amount of smoke,
358
00:30:06,065 --> 00:30:06,848
and distance.
359
00:30:06,892 --> 00:30:09,372
I really worked the shoe.
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00:30:09,416 --> 00:30:09,982
[organ and drums playing]
361
00:30:21,036 --> 00:30:22,995
Some people think my
pictures are funny.
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00:30:23,038 --> 00:30:24,431
I didn't realize that.
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00:30:24,474 --> 00:30:26,781
And it makes me excited.
364
00:30:26,825 --> 00:30:27,608
It's hard to be funny.
365
00:30:39,446 --> 00:30:44,103
I do whatever I can to help
me take my next picture.
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00:30:44,146 --> 00:30:48,194
I just sniff something
that way, I'll go that way.
367
00:30:48,237 --> 00:30:53,590
And it's totally instinctual,
and so like when I'm out there
368
00:30:53,634 --> 00:30:57,072
I could just do whatever.
369
00:30:57,116 --> 00:30:59,379
It's not really a
casual thing, it's
370
00:30:59,422 --> 00:31:02,121
pushing my intuition in
such a way that might
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00:31:02,164 --> 00:31:04,384
relate to a jazz musician.
372
00:31:04,427 --> 00:31:07,604
And I'm not musical at all,
but it must relate somehow
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00:31:07,648 --> 00:31:08,910
to that process of creativity.
374
00:31:12,305 --> 00:31:15,699
I know how much film or
time it takes to make
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00:31:15,743 --> 00:31:17,876
a an interesting photograph.
376
00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:20,574
There is a luck, but I believe
it was Helen Levitt that said
377
00:31:20,617 --> 00:31:23,055
that you create your luck,
and there's a lot of work
378
00:31:23,098 --> 00:31:25,361
involved in creating luck.
379
00:31:25,405 --> 00:31:26,014
[bass and drums playing]
380
00:31:33,456 --> 00:31:37,460
MAX KOZLOFF: Helen Levitt was
a diminutive woman walking
381
00:31:37,504 --> 00:31:41,377
with a small miniature
camera, able to conceal
382
00:31:41,421 --> 00:31:45,338
her activities because
of her modest presence,
383
00:31:45,381 --> 00:31:47,906
and agile movement.
384
00:31:47,949 --> 00:31:51,213
The work she produced
is figurative
385
00:31:51,257 --> 00:31:53,955
in our imaginative
memories of New York
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00:31:53,999 --> 00:31:59,091
because of both the warmth and
the pathos of the sightings
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00:31:59,134 --> 00:32:02,094
she made of children, and
immigrants, and poor people,
388
00:32:02,137 --> 00:32:05,401
and communities, all
hugger-mugger together
389
00:32:05,445 --> 00:32:07,316
in a kind of exquisite concord.
390
00:32:12,017 --> 00:32:14,062
Lisette Model, she
had a Rolleiflex
391
00:32:14,106 --> 00:32:17,631
where she'd have to look
down into the viewfinder.
392
00:32:17,674 --> 00:32:21,896
The result was many of her
figures seem to loom enormously
393
00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:26,205
and prodigiously on the
horizon, above which,
394
00:32:26,248 --> 00:32:30,861
there loomed these
enormous skyscrapers.
395
00:32:30,905 --> 00:32:33,125
She made these
figures incredibly
396
00:32:33,168 --> 00:32:38,695
monumental, impending,
sinister sometimes,
397
00:32:38,739 --> 00:32:40,959
morbid, and unforgettable.
398
00:32:45,659 --> 00:32:49,793
The phenomenon of Diane
Arbus, so memorable
399
00:32:49,837 --> 00:32:54,668
in her understanding of
photographic past in New York.
400
00:32:54,711 --> 00:32:59,716
Very unique, unrepeatable,
idiosyncratic in the extreme
401
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:06,593
in her idea that the banality of
everyday existence was in fact
402
00:33:06,636 --> 00:33:11,163
a possible source of
horror and perversion.
403
00:33:11,206 --> 00:33:14,993
Arbus upturned,
pulled a rug from,
404
00:33:15,036 --> 00:33:17,038
our notions that
everything was getting
405
00:33:17,082 --> 00:33:19,475
going along as it should.
406
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:23,001
There was a kind of
subliminal freakishness
407
00:33:23,044 --> 00:33:27,570
in many of the characters
she photographed.
408
00:33:27,614 --> 00:33:29,616
After Arbus, New
York photography
409
00:33:29,659 --> 00:33:30,747
would never remain the same.
410
00:33:36,144 --> 00:33:39,017
Nobody really thought
about style in photography
411
00:33:39,060 --> 00:33:41,671
for much of the 19th
century, and it's not
412
00:33:41,715 --> 00:33:46,589
until the late 1880s really you
get to Stieglitz and Emerson,
413
00:33:46,633 --> 00:33:48,417
and various other
people in Britain
414
00:33:48,461 --> 00:33:50,071
as well as United States.
415
00:33:50,115 --> 00:33:52,987
And this trickles down to art
photography, all the magazines,
416
00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:55,511
and soon you have
dentists in [inaudible]
417
00:33:55,555 --> 00:33:58,775
taking pictures of trees at
sunset that look Japanese.
418
00:33:58,819 --> 00:34:01,822
And then meanwhile
all along there's
419
00:34:01,865 --> 00:34:06,131
been this great documentary
photography that
420
00:34:06,174 --> 00:34:08,263
passed unnoticed it the time.
421
00:34:08,307 --> 00:34:12,398
And there were a lot of these,
sort of, citizen photographers.
422
00:34:12,441 --> 00:34:16,141
Also I think of the photo
league, that great institution,
423
00:34:16,184 --> 00:34:18,578
some of whom made interesting
pictures by accident,
424
00:34:18,621 --> 00:34:21,581
and some of whom were,
like, real artists.
425
00:34:46,780 --> 00:34:49,261
REBECCA LEPKOFF: I saw an
article in, I think it was PM,
426
00:34:49,304 --> 00:34:51,872
about the Photo League
and their workshop,
427
00:34:51,915 --> 00:34:54,614
and there was a
little photo on there.
428
00:34:54,657 --> 00:34:58,705
And I said, the philosophy they
have, this is what I'm doing
429
00:34:58,748 --> 00:35:01,360
by myself, you know
photographing the way
430
00:35:01,403 --> 00:35:05,581
people lived, where they
lived, how they lived,
431
00:35:05,625 --> 00:35:10,456
what they were doing, how
you see the way they lived.
432
00:35:10,499 --> 00:35:12,458
It was having to
do with humanity.
433
00:35:19,508 --> 00:35:23,164
I went to visit them
I ended up signing up
434
00:35:23,208 --> 00:35:25,601
for one of these dance classes.
435
00:35:25,645 --> 00:35:29,997
Dance must have help me, we
used to study choreography.
436
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,131
Space had a lot
to do with dance.
437
00:35:33,174 --> 00:35:35,872
The space you're making
and the space where
438
00:35:35,916 --> 00:35:38,875
you're standing on the stage.
439
00:35:38,919 --> 00:35:42,140
She just moved the space of
the stage onto the street.
440
00:36:02,203 --> 00:36:10,168
The camera is supposed to make
a document of how things are,
441
00:36:10,211 --> 00:36:16,478
how people looked maybe in
1950 with their Stetson hats
442
00:36:16,522 --> 00:36:20,090
kerchiefs, or how
their dresses looked,
443
00:36:20,134 --> 00:36:22,745
or how the tenements looked.
444
00:36:22,789 --> 00:36:26,009
I just kept, for years,
taking photographs
445
00:36:26,053 --> 00:36:27,228
of the Lower East Side.
446
00:36:30,405 --> 00:36:32,973
During the glory
of the Photo League
447
00:36:33,016 --> 00:36:35,976
there's so many of the
famous photographers
448
00:36:36,019 --> 00:36:41,416
used to come down and spend
time talking and meeting people.
449
00:36:41,460 --> 00:36:44,158
I wonder if the Photo
League didn't get
450
00:36:44,202 --> 00:36:47,770
busted out, how they would be.
451
00:36:47,814 --> 00:36:53,428
It was labeled un-American,
and if the FBI was around
452
00:36:53,472 --> 00:36:58,216
and they got a list, they
could really grab you.
453
00:36:58,259 --> 00:37:02,872
People really stopped coming
because they were fearful.
454
00:37:02,916 --> 00:37:06,876
It's just folded up.
455
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,272
You never talked about
communism or anything,
456
00:37:11,316 --> 00:37:13,274
but they were always
kept an eye on us
457
00:37:13,318 --> 00:37:17,060
because they felt we were
close to the philosophy
458
00:37:17,104 --> 00:37:19,280
of the working people,
of the poor people.
459
00:37:28,637 --> 00:37:31,988
MAN ON MEGAPHONE: Love it
or leave it you fucking
460
00:37:32,032 --> 00:37:34,556
communist piece of shit!
461
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,211
Relax!
462
00:37:37,255 --> 00:37:38,691
MAN: What's that telling them?
463
00:37:38,734 --> 00:37:40,214
They're saying that we're
garbage and thats-- we are
464
00:37:40,258 --> 00:37:40,867
citizens of the United States.
465
00:37:43,435 --> 00:37:46,481
What are you going to do with
these films that you're making?
466
00:37:46,525 --> 00:37:47,830
CAMERAMAN: Oh I don't know.
467
00:37:47,874 --> 00:37:49,528
Hopefully they'll be
important some day, right?
468
00:37:49,571 --> 00:37:51,138
Yeah you never know, you know?
469
00:37:51,181 --> 00:37:52,618
CAMERAMAN: Hopefully you'll
be important someday, right?
470
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:56,796
CLAYTON PATTERSON:
It seemed like one
471
00:37:56,839 --> 00:37:59,320
of the only places where I
could fit in was New York.
472
00:37:59,364 --> 00:38:00,974
And I'm from
Western Canada which
473
00:38:01,017 --> 00:38:03,150
is very provincial, very
conservative, very sort of
474
00:38:03,193 --> 00:38:05,631
like, backward in its own way.
475
00:38:05,674 --> 00:38:08,416
I don't know whether you want
to call it ego, or ambition,
476
00:38:08,460 --> 00:38:10,288
or whatever, but yeah,
I thought that this
477
00:38:10,331 --> 00:38:12,594
was-- I wanted to swim
in the biggest pool,
478
00:38:12,638 --> 00:38:13,769
you know what I'm saying?
479
00:38:13,813 --> 00:38:15,945
So I wanted to jump
into the deep end,
480
00:38:15,989 --> 00:38:17,730
so I ended up coming over
here to the Lower East Side,
481
00:38:17,773 --> 00:38:19,688
and Lower East Side was
sort of like perfect.
482
00:38:19,732 --> 00:38:22,909
I mean at that time it was
like, dangerous and drugs,
483
00:38:22,952 --> 00:38:26,391
but it had a class of people who
I could easily identify with.
484
00:38:26,434 --> 00:38:30,003
And so that made it really, sort
of, comfortable to be around,
485
00:38:30,046 --> 00:38:32,484
and also there was this whole
kind of energy over here that
486
00:38:32,527 --> 00:38:36,183
was really sort of wild and free
and outlaw-ish and all of that.
487
00:38:36,226 --> 00:38:37,271
And I found that to
be very comfortable.
488
00:38:41,841 --> 00:38:43,582
The one thing I did
consistently in all the time,
489
00:38:43,625 --> 00:38:45,148
in terms of the street,
was photographing
490
00:38:45,192 --> 00:38:46,498
people in front of my door.
491
00:38:46,541 --> 00:38:48,587
By photographing
in front of my door
492
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:50,197
and then putting the
pictures in the window,
493
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:52,068
and making these people
famous, I eventually
494
00:38:52,112 --> 00:38:54,549
photographed the whole
neighborhood, from 14th Street
495
00:38:54,593 --> 00:38:58,597
to the Brooklyn
Bridge, which is huge.
496
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,250
A lot of the people
that are in the pictures
497
00:39:00,294 --> 00:39:01,643
are the people that
were on the streets,
498
00:39:01,687 --> 00:39:04,080
a lot of the drug
sellers, the gangs,
499
00:39:04,124 --> 00:39:05,386
the bad guys, the good guys.
500
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:06,996
So a lot of times
I would just do
501
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,737
little tricks like, instead of
saying, cheese, I would say,
502
00:39:08,781 --> 00:39:09,999
pussy.
503
00:39:10,043 --> 00:39:11,610
And of course most guys
will smile or laugh
504
00:39:11,653 --> 00:39:13,351
when you say that,
and then so you've
505
00:39:13,394 --> 00:39:15,396
sort of captured them smiling.
506
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,658
And when you see
them they just look
507
00:39:16,702 --> 00:39:19,357
like good normal
kids or people, they
508
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,056
just look like regular people.
509
00:39:23,099 --> 00:39:25,580
It's not about you
as an individual,
510
00:39:25,624 --> 00:39:28,061
it's about you as a community.
511
00:39:28,104 --> 00:39:30,933
So I think of my photography
in multiple ways.
512
00:39:30,977 --> 00:39:33,675
I think of it as keeping
things for the future and sort
513
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,417
of preserving this
moment now for them,
514
00:39:36,461 --> 00:39:38,419
I think of it as
an activist tool,
515
00:39:38,463 --> 00:39:40,726
I think of it as
something that can
516
00:39:40,769 --> 00:39:43,163
give you access to places where
you could never be before.
517
00:39:58,526 --> 00:40:00,572
The Tompkins Square
Park police ride,
518
00:40:00,615 --> 00:40:04,314
that was August 6th or 7th,
1988, where a number of people
519
00:40:04,358 --> 00:40:06,012
were there and had
videos and photographs,
520
00:40:06,055 --> 00:40:08,971
but they was sparse and few.
521
00:40:09,015 --> 00:40:11,409
Whereas I ended up with a three
hour and 33 minute tape which,
522
00:40:11,452 --> 00:40:14,020
kind of, laid out
the whole night.
523
00:40:14,063 --> 00:40:16,979
It really created a major
amount of press and noise,
524
00:40:17,023 --> 00:40:19,025
so pretty soon I was
on every TV station
525
00:40:19,068 --> 00:40:22,811
including Oprah, and CNN, and
New York Times, all of them.
526
00:40:22,855 --> 00:40:24,117
OPRAH: Meet a man
who went to jail,
527
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,293
rather than give police
the videotape he made
528
00:40:26,336 --> 00:40:28,295
of a demonstration turned riot.
529
00:40:28,338 --> 00:40:29,644
It was a police riot.
530
00:40:29,688 --> 00:40:31,167
CLAYTON PATTERSON:
That was the first time
531
00:40:31,211 --> 00:40:33,126
that the handheld
video camera like that
532
00:40:33,169 --> 00:40:37,478
had ever been used as a protest
tool, and as an activist tool,
533
00:40:37,522 --> 00:40:39,698
against government wrongdoing.
534
00:40:39,741 --> 00:40:42,004
It was that egalitarian
factor that you
535
00:40:42,048 --> 00:40:45,965
didn't have to, you know,
have gone to Harvard,
536
00:40:46,008 --> 00:40:50,404
and learned art history,
it wasn't really like that.
537
00:40:50,448 --> 00:40:52,101
And I think at a
certain level, too, I
538
00:40:52,145 --> 00:40:53,494
think because of what
I've photographed,
539
00:40:53,538 --> 00:40:54,843
a lot of what I've
done, some of it
540
00:40:54,887 --> 00:40:56,584
appears to be anti-social
because it was like,
541
00:40:56,628 --> 00:40:58,194
conflicts with the
police, stuff like that,
542
00:40:58,238 --> 00:41:00,806
and I got cops in
trouble for doing it,
543
00:41:00,849 --> 00:41:02,634
but in reality it's not
that it's anti-social,
544
00:41:02,677 --> 00:41:04,070
it's interested
in a social factor
545
00:41:04,113 --> 00:41:05,027
that most people
try to overlook.
546
00:41:20,129 --> 00:41:21,783
And I think if one is going
to spend their time doing
547
00:41:21,827 --> 00:41:23,568
something, you ought to try
to make it to be important,
548
00:41:23,611 --> 00:41:25,091
you ought to make
it significant.
549
00:41:25,134 --> 00:41:27,572
And that's part of the
reason of coming to New York.
550
00:41:27,615 --> 00:41:28,834
Why did I come to New York?
551
00:41:28,877 --> 00:41:30,662
Because I wanted to have
what I did to become
552
00:41:30,705 --> 00:41:32,838
relevant and significant.
553
00:41:32,881 --> 00:41:36,102
[electric piano plays]
554
00:42:23,976 --> 00:42:25,760
ELLIOTT ERWITT: I get the
feeling that there are too
555
00:42:25,804 --> 00:42:29,721
many bad pictures in the world.
556
00:42:29,764 --> 00:42:33,115
But there's always
room for a good ones,
557
00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:40,949
because good ones illuminate,
entertain, amuse, make people
558
00:42:40,993 --> 00:42:47,608
feel, instruct, do
all good things,
559
00:42:47,652 --> 00:42:50,437
and give you some kind of an
emotion, positive or negative,
560
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,134
or something.
561
00:42:52,178 --> 00:42:56,225
It just can't lie flat, it has
to speak to you in some way.
562
00:42:56,269 --> 00:43:00,055
It has to make you laugh, or
cry, or something in between.
563
00:43:00,099 --> 00:43:03,058
And if it doesn't do that,
then it's not very interesting.
564
00:43:03,102 --> 00:43:05,583
A picture has to communicate,
otherwise there's no point.
565
00:43:10,631 --> 00:43:12,677
I've taken quite a
few pictures already,
566
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:15,505
so sometimes you see the same
thing that you've seen before,
567
00:43:15,549 --> 00:43:18,030
and then you just don't do it.
568
00:43:18,073 --> 00:43:22,643
And as I shoot film
and not digital,
569
00:43:22,687 --> 00:43:26,255
taking pictures is a process.
570
00:43:26,299 --> 00:43:28,388
I mean, you take the picture,
you gotta develop it,
571
00:43:28,431 --> 00:43:29,389
you gotta make a
contact, you gotta
572
00:43:29,432 --> 00:43:32,131
make prints, and so forth.
573
00:43:32,174 --> 00:43:35,134
I do everything in house.
574
00:43:35,177 --> 00:43:36,875
My darkroom is downstairs.
575
00:43:36,918 --> 00:43:39,312
I've always had a darkroom
since I was 15 years old.
576
00:43:42,924 --> 00:43:47,015
It's not like, with a
digital camera where
577
00:43:47,059 --> 00:43:54,675
you have an instant result.
Digital manipulation
578
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,199
kills photography.
579
00:43:57,243 --> 00:44:00,246
I think that's the unfortunate
thing about digital.
580
00:44:00,289 --> 00:44:05,120
It's made it too easy and
everybody can get an image,
581
00:44:05,164 --> 00:44:11,736
it's just that not everybody
can get a good one.
582
00:44:11,779 --> 00:44:14,086
There's not much optimism
with my colleagues.
583
00:44:14,129 --> 00:44:15,827
Things are tough.
584
00:44:15,870 --> 00:44:20,092
Film certainly will become
obsolete, the question is when?
585
00:44:20,135 --> 00:44:23,051
The internet has not helped.
586
00:44:23,095 --> 00:44:26,838
People want to use
stuff for nothing.
587
00:44:26,881 --> 00:44:29,928
Requirements are
really quite base.
588
00:44:29,971 --> 00:44:31,973
You don't really need
photographers anymore,
589
00:44:32,017 --> 00:44:36,195
for so many things
you can just get stock
590
00:44:36,238 --> 00:44:37,631
and make your own picture.
591
00:44:37,675 --> 00:44:39,111
A little bit of this, a
little bit of that, and you
592
00:44:39,154 --> 00:44:42,244
get a picture.
593
00:44:42,288 --> 00:44:44,072
JOEL MEYEROWITZ: Photography
is a democratic medium,
594
00:44:44,116 --> 00:44:45,987
anybody can use it.
595
00:44:46,031 --> 00:44:49,164
But digital
photography and the web
596
00:44:49,208 --> 00:44:52,254
have made it truly
the democratic,
597
00:44:52,298 --> 00:44:54,909
worldwide, universal medium.
598
00:44:54,953 --> 00:44:57,520
Everybody's a photographer now.
599
00:44:57,564 --> 00:45:01,133
And we are going
to find geniuses.
600
00:45:01,176 --> 00:45:05,833
Geniuses are going to be
awakened by this opportunity
601
00:45:05,877 --> 00:45:07,879
to make pictures with
their cell phone,
602
00:45:07,922 --> 00:45:12,448
or their camera, because they're
going to see the results of it
603
00:45:12,492 --> 00:45:16,452
right away, and they're going
to say, this fascinates me,
604
00:45:16,496 --> 00:45:18,498
I can say something.
605
00:45:18,541 --> 00:45:20,500
But the work they
make is going to look
606
00:45:20,543 --> 00:45:24,547
very much like what the digital
world is, where we are today.
607
00:45:24,591 --> 00:45:27,028
It's going to be
very contemporary.
608
00:45:27,072 --> 00:45:30,118
I mean sure, there's a lot of
crap everywhere, we know that,
609
00:45:30,162 --> 00:45:37,212
but I think there's also genius
waiting to be discovered.
610
00:45:37,256 --> 00:45:38,605
MARTHA COOPER: I used to
think every time I pressed
611
00:45:38,648 --> 00:45:42,130
the shutter it was $0.50.
612
00:45:42,174 --> 00:45:44,263
And that click,
click, click, that
613
00:45:44,306 --> 00:45:46,439
could add up really quickly with
the film and the developing.
614
00:45:46,482 --> 00:45:48,789
But now it doesn't
add up click, click,
615
00:45:48,833 --> 00:45:54,055
click, so there's no reason
not to just shoot everything.
616
00:45:54,099 --> 00:45:56,797
BOOGIE: No, I don't
own digital camera.
617
00:45:56,841 --> 00:45:58,930
I shoot film only.
618
00:45:58,973 --> 00:46:02,150
With film you keep
pushing yourself,
619
00:46:02,194 --> 00:46:08,200
and I think the result, because
you don't know what you have,
620
00:46:08,243 --> 00:46:10,855
you might get something better.
621
00:46:10,898 --> 00:46:12,421
You might have some
better results.
622
00:46:12,465 --> 00:46:15,773
I don't have Photoshop and I
don't really like computers.
623
00:46:15,816 --> 00:46:19,080
I like email, I like
Google, that's about it.
624
00:46:19,124 --> 00:46:20,299
It's too precise.
625
00:46:20,342 --> 00:46:23,563
I get very, very, very
scared, so scared.
626
00:46:23,606 --> 00:46:26,044
I could never buy enough
external hard drives to back me
627
00:46:26,087 --> 00:46:28,568
up, you see how I am.
628
00:46:28,611 --> 00:46:31,832
I mean my whole house would
have to be an external.
629
00:46:31,876 --> 00:46:34,661
And then I'd have to get another
house to back up the house.
630
00:46:34,704 --> 00:46:36,837
It would never end.
631
00:46:36,881 --> 00:46:38,708
I'm just crazy
about my work, you
632
00:46:38,752 --> 00:46:41,842
know you couldn't back it up.
633
00:46:41,886 --> 00:46:43,626
I'm sure you could, but
it's very hard for me.
634
00:46:46,455 --> 00:46:47,717
JILL FREEDMAN: A
picture's a picture.
635
00:46:47,761 --> 00:46:49,937
What does it matter
what tool you use?
636
00:46:49,981 --> 00:46:51,852
I think it's a
ludicrous and ridiculous
637
00:46:51,896 --> 00:46:53,506
people carrying on about that.
638
00:46:53,549 --> 00:46:58,119
It doesn't matter how you get
the picture, it's the picture.
639
00:46:58,163 --> 00:47:01,166
REBECCA LEPKOFF: Change
is so inevitable.
640
00:47:01,209 --> 00:47:04,430
What all these cameras
out there photographing?
641
00:47:04,473 --> 00:47:06,127
What don't they take?
642
00:47:06,171 --> 00:47:08,390
Will there be
anybody who's going
643
00:47:08,434 --> 00:47:12,960
to be using the old photography
the way it used to be,
644
00:47:13,004 --> 00:47:16,224
as time goes on?
645
00:47:16,268 --> 00:47:17,225
I just think about that.
646
00:47:21,316 --> 00:47:28,584
[drums playing]
647
00:47:28,628 --> 00:47:30,760
BRUCE DAVIDSON: I was 10 years
old, and a friend of mine
648
00:47:30,804 --> 00:47:33,546
came by, Sammy, Sammy Nichols.
649
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:36,766
And he said you want to see
developing in my basement?
650
00:47:36,810 --> 00:47:37,724
And I said, what's that?
651
00:47:37,767 --> 00:47:38,377
He said, come along.
652
00:47:41,728 --> 00:47:46,167
So I went with Sammy in
this dark, dank, basement
653
00:47:46,211 --> 00:47:49,127
with a ruby light, and
he exposed something,
654
00:47:49,170 --> 00:47:51,433
and an image appeared.
655
00:47:51,477 --> 00:47:53,522
And that really affected me.
656
00:47:53,566 --> 00:47:57,135
I ran home to my mother and
said, can I have a darkroom?
657
00:48:04,533 --> 00:48:06,579
I lived like a monk.
658
00:48:06,622 --> 00:48:09,974
I had a mattress on the
floor, a dying chiflera plant,
659
00:48:10,017 --> 00:48:13,412
a darkroom-kitchen
combination where
660
00:48:13,455 --> 00:48:18,504
I could eat frozen Hershey bars
and chicken while I printed.
661
00:48:18,547 --> 00:48:19,940
All I wanted to do
was take pictures.
662
00:48:19,984 --> 00:48:21,811
I didn't care about
anything else.
663
00:48:29,950 --> 00:48:33,432
It's easy to penetrate
someone's privacy.
664
00:48:33,475 --> 00:48:35,738
And it's about privacy.
665
00:48:35,782 --> 00:48:39,133
And I've tried in
my work to make
666
00:48:39,177 --> 00:48:43,485
contact, to offer pictures.
667
00:48:43,529 --> 00:48:45,923
And even in a Brooklyn gang,
I would give them pictures.
668
00:48:52,451 --> 00:48:56,890
And it was a way of seeing them
and a way of them seeing me.
669
00:48:56,934 --> 00:49:00,807
And so I was able to
be invisible, almost,
670
00:49:00,850 --> 00:49:03,331
to them, because they
were secure with me
671
00:49:03,375 --> 00:49:04,245
being around with my camera.
672
00:49:08,858 --> 00:49:12,558
But I would hand them a picture,
not only picture of themselves,
673
00:49:12,601 --> 00:49:16,170
but a picture of something
else that I did, to let them
674
00:49:16,214 --> 00:49:19,913
see there's an outside world.
675
00:49:19,957 --> 00:49:23,134
And it was part of the
bonding because they
676
00:49:23,177 --> 00:49:26,093
were very depressed, and
they were very angry.
677
00:49:26,137 --> 00:49:28,269
They were very poor.
678
00:49:28,313 --> 00:49:30,097
And there was nothing for
them in that community.
679
00:49:33,709 --> 00:49:36,712
I was angry too.
680
00:49:36,756 --> 00:49:43,067
I had a possibility, I
had a job, I had a life.
681
00:49:43,110 --> 00:49:43,763
They didn't.
682
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:56,384
100th Street was considered
the worst block in the city.
683
00:50:01,128 --> 00:50:06,046
I'd worked on 100th Street in a
large format 4x5 Linhof camera.
684
00:50:06,090 --> 00:50:08,179
It was classic.
685
00:50:08,222 --> 00:50:10,529
I was a real
photographer because I
686
00:50:10,572 --> 00:50:14,924
went under a black
cloth, I fumbled around,
687
00:50:14,968 --> 00:50:15,621
the pose is beautiful.
688
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:30,070
Dignity, it would
bring a dignity
689
00:50:30,114 --> 00:50:32,159
to the act of photography.
690
00:50:32,203 --> 00:50:34,857
If I walked around in
there with my little
691
00:50:34,901 --> 00:50:38,644
Nikon or Cannon, or whatever,
boom, boom, boom, boom,
692
00:50:38,687 --> 00:50:40,776
it's too thin.
693
00:50:40,820 --> 00:50:44,084
It's too thin
because with 4x5, you
694
00:50:44,128 --> 00:50:49,481
have to know what
the picture is,
695
00:50:49,524 --> 00:50:52,266
so that you become
kind of collaborative
696
00:50:52,310 --> 00:50:55,878
with your subject.
697
00:50:55,922 --> 00:50:58,272
Time was suspended.
698
00:50:58,316 --> 00:51:02,537
It wasn't a decisive moment,
it wasn't a moment intention,
699
00:51:02,581 --> 00:51:05,714
fluid, like the gang pictures.
700
00:51:05,758 --> 00:51:07,542
It was different for me.
701
00:51:07,586 --> 00:51:08,326
It was a different experience.
702
00:51:20,947 --> 00:51:25,517
The subway in the late 70s,
early 80s, was deplorable.
703
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,910
Everybody hated riding
the subway, it's unsafe,
704
00:51:27,954 --> 00:51:31,479
it never ran right, it's full of
graffiti, all kinds of things,
705
00:51:31,523 --> 00:51:32,915
dirty.
706
00:51:32,959 --> 00:51:36,745
I read a lot of young
boys' books on tiger hunts,
707
00:51:36,789 --> 00:51:41,359
and I schedule the way I would
be in a subway the same way
708
00:51:41,402 --> 00:51:44,623
a tiger hunter would
walk across a field.
709
00:51:44,666 --> 00:51:47,191
It's always, attack
from the rear.
710
00:51:47,234 --> 00:51:50,629
So I was always
aware that I might
711
00:51:50,672 --> 00:51:53,762
be attacked from the rear on
the subway, and actually I was.
712
00:52:00,247 --> 00:52:03,163
I became addicted to the subway.
713
00:52:03,207 --> 00:52:08,516
When I heard the rumble of the
train below our bedroom window,
714
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:12,346
I jumped up like a werewolf.
715
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:16,350
Sometimes I'd go on the subway
at one or two in the morning,
716
00:52:16,394 --> 00:52:18,744
and stay until dawn.
717
00:52:18,787 --> 00:52:22,313
I was starting to get a little
crazy with it, you know?
718
00:52:27,231 --> 00:52:29,972
Normally I had the camera out,
because you can't approach
719
00:52:30,016 --> 00:52:33,019
people and say, I'd like
to take your picture,
720
00:52:33,062 --> 00:52:36,022
and reach into your back pocket.
721
00:52:36,065 --> 00:52:38,677
And if someone
hesitated, I had an album
722
00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:42,942
with me, a 5x7, a
wedding album, gold trim,
723
00:52:42,985 --> 00:52:46,250
with samples of my work in it.
724
00:52:46,293 --> 00:52:50,689
It's a wedding between
me and my subject.
725
00:52:50,732 --> 00:52:53,822
Also the subway was sexy.
726
00:52:53,866 --> 00:52:57,478
I had little love
affairs for 10 seconds
727
00:52:57,522 --> 00:53:02,527
with women on the train,
and never see them again.
728
00:53:02,570 --> 00:53:05,007
And it was Beauty and the
Beast, but sometimes the beast
729
00:53:05,051 --> 00:53:08,054
was beautiful.
730
00:53:08,097 --> 00:53:12,667
That happens a lot with
various bodies of work of mine,
731
00:53:12,711 --> 00:53:17,019
where people are glad
you're there to see them,
732
00:53:17,063 --> 00:53:17,846
because no one's
paying attention.
733
00:53:28,074 --> 00:53:29,249
[electric guitar playing]
734
00:53:52,316 --> 00:53:55,536
I don't expect everyone
to be like me, thank God.
735
00:53:55,580 --> 00:53:57,712
If you have 42 Bruce
Gildens running around,
736
00:53:57,756 --> 00:54:00,541
Jesus Christ, there'd probably
be a ban against photography.
737
00:54:00,585 --> 00:54:02,630
No one would be allowed
to take street pictures
738
00:54:02,674 --> 00:54:03,370
on the streets of New York.
739
00:54:08,810 --> 00:54:11,770
I'm basically what's known
as a street photographer.
740
00:54:11,813 --> 00:54:14,076
And when I was growing
up in Brooklyn,
741
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,165
in Williamsburg, I used to
look out my second story
742
00:54:16,209 --> 00:54:18,907
window at the vigorous
street life down below,
743
00:54:18,951 --> 00:54:20,561
and I was hooked.
744
00:54:20,605 --> 00:54:25,131
And also television had a lot
to do because I like film noir
745
00:54:25,174 --> 00:54:25,784
and I like shadows.
746
00:54:42,279 --> 00:54:44,063
At times someone
will go out with me,
747
00:54:44,106 --> 00:54:45,934
you know like I'm just with
somebody, and they'll say,
748
00:54:45,978 --> 00:54:47,675
hey there's a person for
you, and I'll say no, they're
749
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,024
too-- I won't use
the word, stylish,
750
00:54:49,068 --> 00:54:50,765
but they're dressed too neatly.
751
00:54:50,809 --> 00:54:54,595
They look like they are a
character and they're not.
752
00:54:54,639 --> 00:54:57,163
The hat is too neat,
everything is too much
753
00:54:57,206 --> 00:54:58,164
like they're programmed.
754
00:54:58,207 --> 00:54:59,339
OK?
755
00:54:59,383 --> 00:55:01,776
It's not like they
are a character.
756
00:55:01,820 --> 00:55:04,953
Just something catches me
there's something striking
757
00:55:04,997 --> 00:55:08,174
in them, and I don't mean a
vulgarity type of striking,
758
00:55:08,217 --> 00:55:10,045
I mean just as a detail.
759
00:55:10,089 --> 00:55:12,439
It's something that just works.
760
00:55:12,483 --> 00:55:15,137
They're a little bit more
extreme or some of these people
761
00:55:15,181 --> 00:55:16,269
I've made more extreme.
762
00:55:16,313 --> 00:55:18,358
You know they're
just average people,
763
00:55:18,402 --> 00:55:20,099
but there's something
I see in them
764
00:55:20,142 --> 00:55:23,145
that attracts me, that makes
me want to photograph them.
765
00:55:26,018 --> 00:55:28,412
I realized I had to really
jump in people's faces
766
00:55:28,455 --> 00:55:33,460
to isolate them, to separate the
foreground from the background.
767
00:55:33,504 --> 00:55:36,115
Flash helps me visualize
my feelings of the city
768
00:55:36,158 --> 00:55:39,248
because it shows the stress,
the energy, the speed,
769
00:55:39,292 --> 00:55:41,512
and the anxiety of the people.
770
00:55:41,555 --> 00:55:43,731
You can't photograph
everybody, you can't photograph
771
00:55:43,775 --> 00:55:46,255
every situation, because
otherwise I wouldn't
772
00:55:46,299 --> 00:55:48,257
be sitting here talking to you.
773
00:55:48,301 --> 00:55:50,434
I feel almost like I'm
a director out there.
774
00:55:50,477 --> 00:55:51,957
I am the director,
and sometimes if I
775
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,220
see something and the
person turns the other way,
776
00:55:54,263 --> 00:55:57,223
I say to myself, shit he
doesn't take direction well.
777
00:55:57,266 --> 00:56:01,488
[funky organ playing]
778
00:56:22,770 --> 00:56:25,686
You know this thing
about invisibility,
779
00:56:25,730 --> 00:56:29,951
I mean, I think
people overdo it.
780
00:56:29,995 --> 00:56:34,086
When you have a little
camera you become a sneak.
781
00:56:34,129 --> 00:56:37,002
So it becomes a different--
the rules change, of the game.
782
00:56:37,045 --> 00:56:38,699
OK?
783
00:56:38,743 --> 00:56:41,223
You can be invisible and be
very close, because sometimes I
784
00:56:41,267 --> 00:56:43,182
work so close that
people don't realize
785
00:56:43,225 --> 00:56:44,879
I'm taking their picture.
786
00:56:44,923 --> 00:56:47,447
They look behind
them to see like,
787
00:56:47,491 --> 00:56:48,840
who'd they take a picture of?
788
00:56:48,883 --> 00:56:50,885
What happened with
this picture was,
789
00:56:50,929 --> 00:56:52,452
I was taking the picture
because I like-- she's wearing
790
00:56:52,496 --> 00:56:55,586
a bra and panties on the beach.
791
00:56:55,629 --> 00:56:56,935
And then someone
came over and said
792
00:56:56,978 --> 00:56:58,197
what is he taking a picture of?
793
00:56:58,240 --> 00:56:58,632
And she went, over there.
794
00:57:04,029 --> 00:57:09,600
Here, this is quite interesting
for me because I saw that
795
00:57:09,643 --> 00:57:12,341
and I wanted to take
a picture of his face,
796
00:57:12,385 --> 00:57:14,300
because part of his
jaw is like, missing.
797
00:57:14,343 --> 00:57:15,693
OK?
798
00:57:15,736 --> 00:57:17,782
So I went over and had
a conversation with him,
799
00:57:17,825 --> 00:57:19,392
and I asked him, I said,
can I take a picture
800
00:57:19,436 --> 00:57:20,698
up close of your face?
801
00:57:20,741 --> 00:57:21,742
He said, yeah sure.
802
00:57:21,786 --> 00:57:24,876
With his beautiful
flowing hair, I
803
00:57:24,919 --> 00:57:27,008
wish I had his
hair, not his chin,
804
00:57:27,052 --> 00:57:29,837
but the thing is, with
his hair, I mean he's
805
00:57:29,881 --> 00:57:31,926
like a beautiful bird for me.
806
00:57:31,970 --> 00:57:35,103
So I don't-- people in my
pictures aren't these people.
807
00:57:35,147 --> 00:57:38,324
People in my pictures are
symbols for what I see.
808
00:57:38,367 --> 00:57:40,239
And it's how I express
what the world is.
809
00:57:40,282 --> 00:57:44,461
I don't think the world
is an excellent place.
810
00:57:44,504 --> 00:57:45,897
I'm comfortable doing
what I do because I don't
811
00:57:45,940 --> 00:57:47,986
think I'm doing anything wrong.
812
00:57:48,029 --> 00:57:51,642
You know I don't let people
bully me or intimidate me, OK?
813
00:57:51,685 --> 00:57:54,471
So I'm not some
pushover out there.
814
00:57:54,514 --> 00:57:56,603
And if you look in my
eyes, you'll see that I'm
815
00:57:56,647 --> 00:57:58,605
not a normal guy sometimes.
816
00:57:58,649 --> 00:58:00,651
I've done some pretty
wild things out there.
817
00:58:23,151 --> 00:58:30,289
[ELECTRIC GUITAR AND DRUMS
PLAYING]
818
00:58:58,360 --> 00:58:59,666
MAX KOZLOFF: When you
speak of William Klein,
819
00:58:59,710 --> 00:59:02,103
you speak of a bad
boy, a kind of renegade
820
00:59:02,147 --> 00:59:05,367
in the history of
photographic practices.
821
00:59:05,411 --> 00:59:09,067
When he came to New
York in the 1950s
822
00:59:09,110 --> 00:59:11,896
it was as if he had
a score to settle.
823
00:59:11,939 --> 00:59:15,029
So that there's a
strange dissonant mixture
824
00:59:15,073 --> 00:59:17,771
of familiarity and
distancing that
825
00:59:17,815 --> 00:59:24,299
goes on in William Klein's view
of New York that epitomized
826
00:59:24,343 --> 00:59:27,825
both the bitterness of his
recognitions in the city,
827
00:59:27,868 --> 00:59:31,655
and at the same time
his affection for them.
828
00:59:31,698 --> 00:59:35,963
Robert Frank produced
for us an album
829
00:59:36,007 --> 00:59:39,880
of the city, the exact opposite
of the cheerful, gregarious
830
00:59:39,924 --> 00:59:42,883
multitudes, for which the
city has been celebrated
831
00:59:42,927 --> 00:59:46,365
in many other photo campaigns.
832
00:59:46,408 --> 00:59:49,368
His New York, on
the contrary, was
833
00:59:49,411 --> 00:59:55,026
a patchwork of sub-cultures
and wary glances.
834
00:59:55,069 --> 00:59:58,638
All of this comes through
works of great power
835
00:59:58,682 --> 01:00:01,554
that add to the
mythos of the city
836
01:00:01,598 --> 01:00:03,687
as a place you have
to watch your step in.
837
01:00:13,348 --> 01:00:15,873
JEFF MERMELSTEIN: People see me
aiming at a certain direction,
838
01:00:15,916 --> 01:00:17,526
they might think I'm
taking their picture,
839
01:00:17,570 --> 01:00:20,312
and if they're not liking that,
they're not going to like that.
840
01:00:20,355 --> 01:00:23,968
And it can and has been
a problem more than once.
841
01:00:24,011 --> 01:00:25,230
JILL FREEDMAN:
Certain range finders
842
01:00:25,273 --> 01:00:27,885
are magnificent weapons.
843
01:00:27,928 --> 01:00:29,582
There's no mirror to
get bounced around,
844
01:00:29,626 --> 01:00:32,629
and if you wrap the strap
tightly and go like that,
845
01:00:32,672 --> 01:00:36,023
sideways, they don't
mess with you too much.
846
01:00:36,067 --> 01:00:39,244
I have to start exercising
because I, I don't know,
847
01:00:39,287 --> 01:00:44,162
I want to feel able
to defend myself.
848
01:00:44,205 --> 01:00:46,120
MARTHA COOPER: I don't go
out with a lot of equipment,
849
01:00:46,164 --> 01:00:48,862
but I don't hide the
equipment either.
850
01:00:48,906 --> 01:00:52,039
I go out with a
worn old camera bag,
851
01:00:52,083 --> 01:00:55,826
and I just try to be
street savvy, that's all.
852
01:00:55,869 --> 01:00:59,220
I got locked in the train
once with some graffiti kids.
853
01:00:59,264 --> 01:01:02,093
There are very special
keys, and they locked me in,
854
01:01:02,136 --> 01:01:03,747
so nobody could get
at us, and then they
855
01:01:03,790 --> 01:01:05,705
scribbled all over the place.
856
01:01:05,749 --> 01:01:09,143
So they were little kids
from Yonkers, white kids.
857
01:01:09,187 --> 01:01:15,149
[men arguing]
858
01:01:15,193 --> 01:01:16,760
They kept on trying to
push me off the block
859
01:01:16,803 --> 01:01:18,022
and I don't want
to hear about it,
860
01:01:18,065 --> 01:01:20,024
so eventually it got
into a confrontation,
861
01:01:20,067 --> 01:01:22,200
and then I got beaten
up by the cops.
862
01:01:22,243 --> 01:01:24,811
And I was covered in
blood, my shirt was ripped,
863
01:01:24,855 --> 01:01:26,378
I got a couple of
teeth knocked out.
864
01:01:26,421 --> 01:01:28,859
There was a guy that's-- you
know, I don't know, I was--
865
01:01:28,902 --> 01:01:31,731
so this was 10 years
ago-- and a tough guy,
866
01:01:31,775 --> 01:01:35,561
you know shaved head,
deep scars in his head,
867
01:01:35,604 --> 01:01:36,997
you know, a toughie.
868
01:01:37,041 --> 01:01:38,433
So I said, oh fuck it, I'll
take his picture anyway.
869
01:01:38,477 --> 01:01:40,522
So I took his picture.
870
01:01:40,566 --> 01:01:43,003
And he came over
to me and he said,
871
01:01:43,047 --> 01:01:44,831
you do that again he
said I'll fucking--
872
01:01:44,875 --> 01:01:47,051
and I didn't say a word because
he could have fucking taken me
873
01:01:47,094 --> 01:01:48,879
and threw me through the window.
874
01:01:54,885 --> 01:01:58,279
MAX KOZLOFF: But this all
seems quaint and archaic
875
01:01:58,323 --> 01:02:01,718
now, because our
definitions of the public
876
01:02:01,761 --> 01:02:05,330
and the private sphere
have been entirely
877
01:02:05,373 --> 01:02:10,727
altered by new technologies
and new social attitudes.
878
01:02:10,770 --> 01:02:13,294
We're all
exhibitionists, or people
879
01:02:13,338 --> 01:02:15,514
who would like to
be noticed, however
880
01:02:15,557 --> 01:02:18,299
briefly, by electronic means.
881
01:02:18,343 --> 01:02:22,173
So the idea of someone objecting
to having a camera poked
882
01:02:22,216 --> 01:02:25,002
in their face is obsolete.
883
01:02:25,045 --> 01:02:28,266
Let me introduce myself,
my name is Ricky Powell.
884
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:30,398
[cheering]
885
01:02:30,442 --> 01:02:34,838
Oh shit, well thank you man,
that's very nice of you,
886
01:02:34,881 --> 01:02:37,754
because I'm usually
used to getting dissed,
887
01:02:37,797 --> 01:02:39,712
like I'm the bike
messenger at home,
888
01:02:39,756 --> 01:02:41,366
oh, who the fuck is this guy?
889
01:02:41,409 --> 01:02:47,807
[funky music plays]
890
01:03:10,264 --> 01:03:16,096
Ah, I listen to the blues
hour on Jazz 88 every day,
891
01:03:16,140 --> 01:03:18,969
3 o'clock.
892
01:03:19,012 --> 01:03:23,887
I gotta have soundtrack as
I walk through the streets.
893
01:03:23,930 --> 01:03:27,847
My neighborhood has been
infested by new Jack Cornballs,
894
01:03:27,891 --> 01:03:32,243
so this helps me
freeze them out.
895
01:03:32,286 --> 01:03:39,380
[funky organ plays]
896
01:03:57,964 --> 01:04:00,749
Yeah, well I've been living
here 20 years on Charles street,
897
01:04:00,793 --> 01:04:02,490
but I grew up in the village.
898
01:04:02,534 --> 01:04:09,454
I met this weird, fucking weird,
arty, crazy, crazy dressed girl
899
01:04:09,497 --> 01:04:12,718
at Danceteria, we hit it off.
900
01:04:12,761 --> 01:04:16,896
So we go to like Roxy's, and
Danceteria, and all the clubs,
901
01:04:16,940 --> 01:04:21,466
and she'd bring her little sure
shot, a Minolta auto-focus,
902
01:04:21,509 --> 01:04:22,859
hi-matic.
903
01:04:22,902 --> 01:04:26,210
I took to it like,
easy, actually, nat,
904
01:04:26,253 --> 01:04:27,733
but I never took it
seriously, it was
905
01:04:27,776 --> 01:04:29,561
just something I did with her.
906
01:04:29,604 --> 01:04:32,694
Spring of '85 she ditched
me for some fucking scrub
907
01:04:32,738 --> 01:04:35,784
who wore tie-dye yoga pants.
908
01:04:35,828 --> 01:04:37,786
I was fucking-- I'm going
to make this bitch sorry she
909
01:04:37,830 --> 01:04:40,180
played me like a soggy cannoli.
910
01:04:40,224 --> 01:04:42,487
I'm going to take
this camera, and I'm
911
01:04:42,530 --> 01:04:44,097
gonna fucking become
something where
912
01:04:44,141 --> 01:04:47,579
she fucking is gonna be mad
sorry she dissed me like this.
913
01:04:47,622 --> 01:04:50,930
Spring of '85,
early like March, I
914
01:04:50,974 --> 01:04:54,107
declared I'm going
to take pictures,
915
01:04:54,151 --> 01:04:56,153
I'm going to take pictures.
916
01:04:56,196 --> 01:05:00,026
[funky music plays]
917
01:05:12,256 --> 01:05:17,522
Yeah I've been a messenger,
substitute schoolteacher,
918
01:05:17,565 --> 01:05:21,047
frozen lemonade vendor,
tour photographer.
919
01:05:31,971 --> 01:05:33,886
I had my share of
bullshit jobs, you know,
920
01:05:33,930 --> 01:05:36,584
but I always bring a
bring a camera with me
921
01:05:36,628 --> 01:05:40,327
to battle the
mundaneness of the job.
922
01:05:40,371 --> 01:05:44,027
This I took in the summer of
'86 from my frozen lemonade
923
01:05:44,070 --> 01:05:46,986
stand, and I like this
shot because the dog
924
01:05:47,030 --> 01:05:49,423
is running shit.
925
01:05:49,467 --> 01:05:54,994
And I got a famous shot of Cindy
Crawford I took at the club MK.
926
01:05:55,038 --> 01:05:59,303
I was a busboy, I went into the
woman's bathroom to clean up.
927
01:05:59,346 --> 01:06:04,482
I turn around and I seen this
chick, I'm like, oh shit,
928
01:06:04,525 --> 01:06:06,092
yo, you mind if I get a flat?
929
01:06:06,136 --> 01:06:09,661
I guess my magnetism
overtook her.
930
01:06:09,704 --> 01:06:11,141
That's in the toilet
stall right there.
931
01:06:14,013 --> 01:06:17,234
Debbie Nassar, loved her, man.
932
01:06:17,277 --> 01:06:20,715
Laurence Fishburne,
love Laurence,
933
01:06:20,759 --> 01:06:23,283
I don't know how I used to end
up hanging out with him, man.
934
01:06:23,327 --> 01:06:25,372
I got some good
shots, he liked me.
935
01:06:25,416 --> 01:06:27,331
Oh yeah, oh, oh yeah.
936
01:06:27,374 --> 01:06:29,028
Oh snap.
937
01:06:29,072 --> 01:06:30,464
RICKY POWELL: Run
from Run-DMC would
938
01:06:30,508 --> 01:06:34,251
come pick me up in his
car and we'd drive around.
939
01:06:34,294 --> 01:06:36,427
I'm just doing a photo
shoot with Run-DMC.
940
01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:38,690
Come over here man, I want
to get the nice sundown.
941
01:06:38,733 --> 01:06:39,647
It's nice, it's aesthetic.
942
01:06:50,180 --> 01:06:52,486
Dondi White, the
graffiti legend.
943
01:06:52,530 --> 01:06:55,228
I don't know how I used to
hang out with these dudes,
944
01:06:55,272 --> 01:06:57,317
except they knew I was down.
945
01:06:57,361 --> 01:06:59,624
RICKY POWELL: We're in
the palace of the rap
946
01:06:59,667 --> 01:07:02,801
Svengali Mr. Russell Simmons.
947
01:07:02,844 --> 01:07:03,541
Alice.
948
01:07:03,584 --> 01:07:04,542
How are you bud?
949
01:07:04,585 --> 01:07:05,804
Cold, Ricky.
950
01:07:05,847 --> 01:07:08,067
I love the way
you've, you know,
951
01:07:08,111 --> 01:07:09,590
dressed for today's interview.
952
01:07:09,634 --> 01:07:14,204
My most well known photo,
probably Warhol-Basquiat.
953
01:07:14,247 --> 01:07:20,079
Went to Shafrazi to see the
Warhol-Basquiat opening.
954
01:07:20,123 --> 01:07:22,212
I meet up with
Zephyr and Revolt,
955
01:07:22,255 --> 01:07:24,344
they were like a
dynamic duo of graffiti.
956
01:07:24,388 --> 01:07:28,522
And I used to just be,
like, on their jock.
957
01:07:28,566 --> 01:07:31,177
And then we noticed Warhol and
Basquiat coming from Houston
958
01:07:31,221 --> 01:07:35,834
street, and I was
just like, hey, you
959
01:07:35,877 --> 01:07:37,053
mind if I get a quick flick?
960
01:07:37,096 --> 01:07:38,054
Or some shit, I don't know.
961
01:07:38,097 --> 01:07:39,664
And they looked at me.
962
01:07:39,707 --> 01:07:42,101
Basquiat had seen me around,
he was always nice to me.
963
01:07:42,145 --> 01:07:45,539
They stopped for me,
posed, I took the shot,
964
01:07:45,583 --> 01:07:47,933
I said, thanks man.
965
01:07:47,976 --> 01:07:53,025
So I had just shot two great
dynamic duos in the same minute
966
01:07:53,069 --> 01:07:56,594
at the onset in my
career so-- career.
967
01:08:02,991 --> 01:08:06,082
And hustling is like,
actually my main occupation.
968
01:08:06,125 --> 01:08:08,040
Hustling.
969
01:08:08,084 --> 01:08:13,219
That's what it is man, waking
up, making sure you wake up
970
01:08:13,263 --> 01:08:17,310
in the daytime, putting your
pants on, making the calls,
971
01:08:17,354 --> 01:08:20,574
getting out of the
house, maneuvering,
972
01:08:20,618 --> 01:08:22,837
you know I don't take
those for granted.
973
01:08:22,881 --> 01:08:26,276
I have to be prepared because
even dope shot might arise,
974
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:30,062
even when I just go to
the deli, and it happens.
975
01:08:30,106 --> 01:08:33,370
You know street photography to
me is like my transistor radio,
976
01:08:33,413 --> 01:08:35,198
the playlist is infinite.
977
01:08:35,241 --> 01:08:37,678
There was no reason I shouldn't
have a camera because all I had
978
01:08:37,722 --> 01:08:43,771
to do is uh-- and if you can't
do this, if this is too much,
979
01:08:43,815 --> 01:08:45,382
then, you know, I was
in the wrong business.
980
01:09:04,096 --> 01:09:11,625
[electronic music plays]
981
01:09:22,897 --> 01:09:25,204
I find it very difficult
to take a photograph
982
01:09:25,248 --> 01:09:26,988
without a person knowing.
983
01:09:27,032 --> 01:09:28,773
Occasionally I will,
but there's still
984
01:09:28,816 --> 01:09:31,776
something magical about being
able to approach a stranger
985
01:09:31,819 --> 01:09:34,909
and convince them
that you are sincere.
986
01:09:46,834 --> 01:09:49,881
JAMEL SHABAZZ: In 1977
I joined the military.
987
01:09:49,924 --> 01:09:52,318
I said to myself, when I
return back to the states,
988
01:09:52,362 --> 01:09:54,146
I will never be without images.
989
01:09:54,190 --> 01:09:57,367
I returned during the summer of
1980, and I came on a mission
990
01:09:57,410 --> 01:10:00,326
to just shoot and recapture
different stages of my life,
991
01:10:00,370 --> 01:10:02,110
so I was with a camera
every single day,
992
01:10:02,154 --> 01:10:03,286
from that point
to this very day.
993
01:10:08,900 --> 01:10:11,207
You know, when I was downtown
in Brooklyn photographing
994
01:10:11,250 --> 01:10:15,123
the posses, the crews, I
realized the psychology
995
01:10:15,167 --> 01:10:18,214
of photography for me.
996
01:10:18,257 --> 01:10:20,303
You see the alpha and I would
study my subjects first,
997
01:10:20,346 --> 01:10:22,914
because being a
military man, we learned
998
01:10:22,957 --> 01:10:25,873
the science of recognizance,
and recognizing leadership.
999
01:10:25,917 --> 01:10:28,485
So I would see that alpha
male or female I was studying
1000
01:10:28,528 --> 01:10:30,922
for a few, and I knew
that I had to approach
1001
01:10:30,965 --> 01:10:32,271
him first in order
to get the permission
1002
01:10:32,315 --> 01:10:34,360
to shoot everybody else.
1003
01:10:34,404 --> 01:10:37,711
And alphas are normally the male
who has the jury on, you know,
1004
01:10:37,755 --> 01:10:39,496
he's distinguishable.
1005
01:10:39,539 --> 01:10:41,019
And I would compliment
him, because was
1006
01:10:41,062 --> 01:10:43,456
the psychology also, to
compliment my subjects and say,
1007
01:10:43,500 --> 01:10:45,023
you know what?
1008
01:10:45,066 --> 01:10:46,981
I'm looking at you, and I
recognize power and strength,
1009
01:10:47,025 --> 01:10:49,201
and I can tell that you
are a very powerful person.
1010
01:10:49,245 --> 01:10:49,984
He'd say, you know what?
1011
01:10:50,028 --> 01:10:53,292
Yeah I am.
1012
01:10:53,336 --> 01:10:55,729
I would photograph him,
and go get it blown up,
1013
01:10:55,773 --> 01:10:57,775
and bring him back to him, and
he would show all his people
1014
01:10:57,818 --> 01:10:59,080
and say, yo look at this.
1015
01:10:59,124 --> 01:11:00,168
So then they would
all want photographs.
1016
01:11:03,650 --> 01:11:06,087
They gave me the name picture
man, and I was just there.
1017
01:11:09,569 --> 01:11:12,050
I left at the age of 17
to go into the military,
1018
01:11:12,093 --> 01:11:13,791
I came home at 20,
so a lot of things
1019
01:11:13,834 --> 01:11:17,098
I wasn't exposed to during my
youth, but when I returned,
1020
01:11:17,142 --> 01:11:18,883
I saw prostitution
and homelessness
1021
01:11:18,926 --> 01:11:20,188
for the first time.
1022
01:11:20,232 --> 01:11:21,407
And for whatever reason
I wanted to capture it.
1023
01:11:24,671 --> 01:11:27,326
So I would go out and
I would just, not only
1024
01:11:27,370 --> 01:11:30,155
take photographs, but I
was really curious on why
1025
01:11:30,198 --> 01:11:32,766
these women became homeless, and
try to get them off the street
1026
01:11:32,810 --> 01:11:34,420
at age 20 years old.
1027
01:11:34,464 --> 01:11:36,553
So in a sense I became
a street teacher,
1028
01:11:36,596 --> 01:11:39,207
and I had a reason
behind what I was doing.
1029
01:11:39,251 --> 01:11:41,471
And it was dangerous
in the beginning.
1030
01:11:41,514 --> 01:11:43,951
And I saw a prostitute
performing a sex act
1031
01:11:43,995 --> 01:11:46,780
on a religious figure, and
I shot it without asking,
1032
01:11:46,824 --> 01:11:50,697
and she started screaming,
and the customer
1033
01:11:50,741 --> 01:11:52,395
ran off without paying her.
1034
01:11:52,438 --> 01:11:56,834
So her screams summons
her security, her pimp.
1035
01:11:56,877 --> 01:12:00,316
And I had said to them, with
all due respect, before you
1036
01:12:00,359 --> 01:12:02,535
attack me, let me at
least explain what I did,
1037
01:12:02,579 --> 01:12:04,102
and why I did it.
1038
01:12:04,145 --> 01:12:08,149
And in my explanation, the
person he says, you know what?
1039
01:12:08,193 --> 01:12:09,890
I respect you.
1040
01:12:09,934 --> 01:12:12,066
And he says, from this point on,
you have my permission to come
1041
01:12:12,110 --> 01:12:13,677
out here any time and shoot.
1042
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:15,069
He says, the only thing you
just have to do in the future
1043
01:12:15,113 --> 01:12:16,288
is ask.
1044
01:12:16,332 --> 01:12:17,855
So what that did
for me at that time,
1045
01:12:17,898 --> 01:12:19,770
it taught me the
importance of asking.
1046
01:12:19,813 --> 01:12:22,120
And I was criticized
for that as time
1047
01:12:22,163 --> 01:12:25,297
would go on because people would
say that my work is too posed.
1048
01:12:25,341 --> 01:12:26,907
But what it was with
me, I would ask.
1049
01:12:26,951 --> 01:12:29,301
With all due respect, my
name is Jamel Shabazz,
1050
01:12:29,345 --> 01:12:30,563
may I take a photograph of you?
1051
01:12:33,653 --> 01:12:36,264
The smile is a reflection
of what I gave them.
1052
01:12:36,308 --> 01:12:39,572
So when I look at the smiles
that I see in my photographs,
1053
01:12:39,616 --> 01:12:42,488
I created an atmosphere
which made them feel good.
1054
01:12:42,532 --> 01:12:43,576
And that makes me
feel good to know
1055
01:12:43,620 --> 01:12:44,403
that I was able to do that.
1056
01:12:51,062 --> 01:12:56,459
[electronic music plays]
1057
01:13:37,064 --> 01:13:39,632
MARY ELLEN MARK: I was born in
the suburbs of Philadelphia,
1058
01:13:39,676 --> 01:13:42,374
I can remember when I was
eight years old walking
1059
01:13:42,418 --> 01:13:45,508
home from, like, third
grade and saying,
1060
01:13:45,551 --> 01:13:47,684
I got to get out of here.
1061
01:13:47,727 --> 01:13:50,687
And I stayed with that,
and I really always thought
1062
01:13:50,730 --> 01:13:53,298
about my freedom, and I always
thought about moving to New
1063
01:13:53,341 --> 01:13:57,737
York, even when I was a child.
1064
01:13:57,781 --> 01:13:59,304
When I first came
to New York, I would
1065
01:13:59,347 --> 01:14:02,176
go to the parks,
the Central Park,
1066
01:14:02,220 --> 01:14:04,831
and I would also, which I still
do, try and find out when there
1067
01:14:04,875 --> 01:14:07,007
were events, shoot around them,
not necessarily the parade
1068
01:14:07,051 --> 01:14:07,660
itself.
1069
01:14:15,799 --> 01:14:18,758
I still love the street and
I still go out on the street.
1070
01:14:18,802 --> 01:14:21,021
It's a challenge to
work on the street.
1071
01:14:21,065 --> 01:14:22,806
The hardest
photography you do is
1072
01:14:22,849 --> 01:14:25,156
street photography,
actually, because you have
1073
01:14:25,199 --> 01:14:27,332
to really think on your feet.
1074
01:14:27,375 --> 01:14:28,855
You go down the street
and you turn right,
1075
01:14:28,899 --> 01:14:30,988
and something amazing happens.
1076
01:14:31,031 --> 01:14:35,035
You don't make that turn,
you left and nothing happens.
1077
01:14:35,079 --> 01:14:37,690
You have to make a picture
in that very moment,
1078
01:14:37,734 --> 01:14:39,518
and I'm old school
in the sense-- well
1079
01:14:39,562 --> 01:14:41,781
I'm an analog
photographer but, I'm
1080
01:14:41,825 --> 01:14:45,176
old school in the sense that
I don't believe in cropping,
1081
01:14:45,219 --> 01:14:47,483
that I believe you have to
make the picture in the camera.
1082
01:14:52,226 --> 01:14:53,750
It's harder to be
a woman than a man,
1083
01:14:53,793 --> 01:14:55,882
I'll definitely admit that.
1084
01:14:55,926 --> 01:14:58,450
The disadvantages came
more with business,
1085
01:14:58,494 --> 01:15:03,411
with people not maybe
wanting to assign you
1086
01:15:03,455 --> 01:15:05,152
as much in the
beginning, but also
1087
01:15:05,196 --> 01:15:09,548
the disadvantage of strength,
just physical strength.
1088
01:15:09,592 --> 01:15:12,943
But I think there's also an
advantage to being a female,
1089
01:15:12,986 --> 01:15:15,032
if you're a street photographer,
because I can walk down
1090
01:15:15,075 --> 01:15:16,773
the street and I can
and knock on a door,
1091
01:15:16,816 --> 01:15:18,209
and someone will let me in.
1092
01:15:18,252 --> 01:15:19,602
I'm less threatening than a man.
1093
01:15:29,612 --> 01:15:31,570
I think often your
subject matter
1094
01:15:31,614 --> 01:15:34,921
can show you what the
picture is, makes it for you.
1095
01:15:34,965 --> 01:15:39,404
So I'm not a strong believer
in heavy duty concepts
1096
01:15:39,447 --> 01:15:41,232
when I do portraits of people.
1097
01:15:41,275 --> 01:15:44,278
I sort of like it
to come from people.
1098
01:15:44,322 --> 01:15:46,585
I try and make iconic images.
1099
01:15:46,629 --> 01:15:50,154
They're hard to make, but that's
my goal, is to make images
1100
01:15:50,197 --> 01:15:51,764
that stand on their own.
1101
01:15:51,808 --> 01:15:57,770
Not to tell a particular story,
I think film tells a story.
1102
01:15:57,814 --> 01:16:00,730
Still pictures should be
single, very powerful, images.
1103
01:16:03,994 --> 01:16:06,692
I don't know whether my
pictures cause social change,
1104
01:16:06,736 --> 01:16:09,086
I think that maybe
they make people aware,
1105
01:16:09,129 --> 01:16:10,566
and I think it's important
for people to be aware.
1106
01:16:13,699 --> 01:16:16,267
I think today the fine
art world, at this moment,
1107
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:20,619
does not really appreciate
reality, or documentary work.
1108
01:16:20,663 --> 01:16:23,796
And I think it's too bad,
because for me that's
1109
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:26,712
the work I collect, and
that's the work I love,
1110
01:16:26,756 --> 01:16:28,758
and that was my
choice of a career.
1111
01:16:28,801 --> 01:16:33,545
I love photographs about
humans, or animals,
1112
01:16:33,589 --> 01:16:38,550
I love animals too, but, you
know, humans and animals.
1113
01:16:38,594 --> 01:16:42,380
The art world, they're always
thinking in terms of decoration
1114
01:16:42,423 --> 01:16:44,121
and those kind of strong
images aren't as decorative.
1115
01:16:47,167 --> 01:16:49,779
There are so many great
documentary photographers,
1116
01:16:49,822 --> 01:16:52,520
and we're not having the
opportunity to see their work.
1117
01:16:52,564 --> 01:16:55,741
And I think that's very
sad, because my favorite
1118
01:16:55,785 --> 01:16:57,743
photographs, and I
think historically
1119
01:16:57,787 --> 01:17:00,267
the pictures that I
love, are the photographs
1120
01:17:00,311 --> 01:17:02,226
that are about reality.
1121
01:17:06,709 --> 01:17:07,971
JEFF MERMELSTEIN:
Street photography
1122
01:17:08,014 --> 01:17:10,538
is really not what
people are talking about,
1123
01:17:10,582 --> 01:17:12,715
it's a little retro.
1124
01:17:12,758 --> 01:17:17,067
So to maintain that
enthusiasm is difficult.
1125
01:17:17,110 --> 01:17:20,026
There's less of
us that will take
1126
01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:23,551
35 millimeter street
photographs, you know,
1127
01:17:23,595 --> 01:17:26,685
their whole life.
1128
01:17:26,729 --> 01:17:33,474
[bass playing]
1129
01:17:47,706 --> 01:17:51,710
As I become older I feel more
in touch with the importance
1130
01:17:51,754 --> 01:17:54,495
of what I, and others
like I, am doing,
1131
01:17:54,539 --> 01:17:58,848
and that is, rendering
the human condition,
1132
01:17:58,891 --> 01:18:03,243
showing the world
and life as it is.
1133
01:18:03,287 --> 01:18:05,332
Us picture makers are
responsible for doing
1134
01:18:05,376 --> 01:18:08,640
that in an honest, and way that
is unique to our own selves,
1135
01:18:08,684 --> 01:18:09,728
to make a contribution.
1136
01:18:14,777 --> 01:18:16,866
I'm recording life now my way.
1137
01:18:27,180 --> 01:18:30,488
I think this might be the first
roll I ever shot, right here.
1138
01:18:30,531 --> 01:18:33,752
And indeed it is.
1139
01:18:33,796 --> 01:18:37,713
Indeed it is, 1966.
1140
01:18:37,756 --> 01:18:40,846
Right out into the street.
1141
01:18:40,890 --> 01:18:41,934
Well there's pictures
is everywhere,
1142
01:18:41,978 --> 01:18:43,544
my God, if you're in the mood.
1143
01:18:43,588 --> 01:18:45,503
But, you know, it's like if
you're in a your bad mood,
1144
01:18:45,546 --> 01:18:48,375
everybody on the bus looks like
a maniac, or a terrible freak,
1145
01:18:48,419 --> 01:18:49,986
or a moron.
1146
01:18:50,029 --> 01:18:52,249
And when you're in a good
mood, and you can't help it,
1147
01:18:52,292 --> 01:18:56,688
you smile at someone--
surprise, they smile back.
1148
01:18:56,732 --> 01:18:59,778
Like, every picture has
to say, only in New York.
1149
01:19:08,134 --> 01:19:10,441
BOOGIE: Sometimes I leave
my house, and by the time
1150
01:19:10,484 --> 01:19:13,226
I reach Manhattan I
would shoot three rolls,
1151
01:19:13,270 --> 01:19:15,272
because there's always--
stuff is always changing,
1152
01:19:15,315 --> 01:19:17,274
there's always something
new, life is different,
1153
01:19:17,317 --> 01:19:18,928
people are different.
1154
01:19:18,971 --> 01:19:24,585
I'm just trying to show things
as they are, without bullshit,
1155
01:19:24,629 --> 01:19:27,719
without judging people.
1156
01:19:27,763 --> 01:19:32,680
I am more and more
excited about what I do.
1157
01:19:32,724 --> 01:19:36,641
I shoot more and more, because
I think I have less time
1158
01:19:36,684 --> 01:19:39,862
left on this planet, I guess.
1159
01:19:43,126 --> 01:19:48,914
A street can be like a nerve
ending It's not the street,
1160
01:19:48,958 --> 01:19:53,397
it's the life on the street,
or where the street takes you,
1161
01:19:53,440 --> 01:19:56,356
that's important.
1162
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,533
It's out there,
you know, I'll go
1163
01:19:59,577 --> 01:20:04,887
on just trying to get it right,
still trying to get it right.
1164
01:20:08,891 --> 01:20:11,719
Photography is
about description.
1165
01:20:11,763 --> 01:20:13,373
It just describes things.
1166
01:20:13,417 --> 01:20:14,940
That's all the camera does, your
point it, you press the button,
1167
01:20:14,984 --> 01:20:16,463
it describes what's
in front of it.
1168
01:20:16,507 --> 01:20:20,511
Something happens, some
personal thing happens.
1169
01:20:20,554 --> 01:20:23,253
Even though it's a machine, and
even though it uses a fraction
1170
01:20:23,296 --> 01:20:27,692
of a second of time, we
learn, as human beings,
1171
01:20:27,735 --> 01:20:30,608
how to understand those
minute little exchanges.
1172
01:20:37,833 --> 01:20:41,053
And I'm much happier being out
on the street, mixing it up,
1173
01:20:41,097 --> 01:20:44,883
with the chance
quality of things
1174
01:20:44,927 --> 01:20:48,452
potentially appearing
out of ordinary reality.
1175
01:20:53,587 --> 01:20:55,981
A slice of a moment.
1176
01:21:00,029 --> 01:21:01,987
A thousandth of a
second of recognition.
1177
01:21:06,035 --> 01:21:12,432
And if you can accept that,
then you can operate that way.
1178
01:21:12,476 --> 01:21:15,566
There are plenty of people who
don't have that kind of belief.
1179
01:21:15,609 --> 01:21:18,264
That the world's going to
present itself in that way,
1180
01:21:18,308 --> 01:21:22,703
and so they don't see it because
they're not looking for it.
1181
01:21:22,747 --> 01:21:30,102
[piano and bass playing]
1182
01:21:39,503 --> 01:21:44,900
[electronic music playing]
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