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When was the last time you saw Mom?

That day, I was running late for school,

and Mom took me.

She gave me a kiss, she said she loved me,

and she left me at school.

What do you think happened?

We all were coming up with theories.

There was some type of a confrontation or something.

The person was very emotional, very angry,

and it usually tells you that there is a relationship.

There's a rift in our family

because of the murder.

I may second guess who I think it is at this point.

It's so hard to know who to trust.

- Vamos.

- Hey. - Hi.

- Hi! Oh, my God! - How are you?

- Oh, my goodness.

I have not seen you in, like, forever.

- So long. - Oh.

- How are you, sweetheart? - Good. How are you?

- So good to see you You okay?

- I'm doing well. - How was your journey?

- We're tired. - Yeah, I bet.

- Going in for a kiss.

- Oh, my God! - Hi, Grammy.

- Oh, I don't believe it, oh.

Today that looks so much like you.

- Really? - Uh-huh.

And she was a really neat lady, and I go,

"She looks like my granddaughter."

- Really? - Yeah.

- I've been told. - Oh.

- How's it coming? Is it coming along?

- Yeah.

- I don't know how you deal with it.

You know? - Yeah.

- And you're trying to solve a murder and tell a story.

It's a lot. Yeah. - Mm-hmm.

- Solving a murder and telling a story,

it's a lot.

- Took Stacey, like, I don't know,

eight hours to get up here,

and they're a couple hours away.

- Think you're gonna get married?

- I think so.

- Can I meet him first? - Yeah.

That's the idea.

The idea is that you'd be there.

- I'd like that. - Yeah, I'd like that.

- Would you want to know what happened?

- To Mom? - To Mom?

- Yeah.

It would be important for everyone to know,

to have--you know what I mean?

I think that...

you are the only person

who can truly empathize with me

because you're also Mom's child,

you know what I mean?

Who can truly understand, you know what I mean?

- Yeah.

- I feel like loss is different for everyone, you know?

It's different when it's--yeah.

And that's why...

it's so important for us to have each other.

Yeah.

How are you?

- I'm good.

I'm just obsessed with finding an answer

'cause I just want know.

I feel like I block out a lot of stuff,

a lot of emotions about it, you know?

And sometimes, like, my connection to her is...

distanced.

It's like she's a character from a story to me right now,

and it's kind of--I don't know if it's healthy or not.

I think I kind of overlooked--

I just pressed everyone really hard,

and it's really traumatic, and it--

I just don't want to hurt anyone.

- Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

- Blow it out, Chris! Blow out the candle!

- Whoo, he did it! Yay!

- Who are those kids?

- There's Conway. - It's Conway.

- That's Doug. - Yeah, this is--

- That's Madison. - I still have this CD.

- That's Madison. - Check out that hair.

- Madison stealing the show as always.

Molly. So pretty, Grammy.

- There it is. - Wow.

- Here comes the Barbie scene. - There's Mom.

- Yay. - Oh, and there I am.

- And Ali.

- Oh.

- Oh, God.

- Oh, dear.

- It's not--yeah. It's not.

It just all breaks my heart a little bit, man.

- I'm glad that you're having fun.

Who the hell says?

- I love you. - I'll see you in a few weeks.

- You too. - Thank you for everything.

- All right, take care.

What do you think I'm looking for

with this project?

- You want to know why it happened

and also to know who Mom was.

- What do you hope that I get?

- Peace.

- Ball? - Oh, I see.

You want Mommy to get your ball?

You want Mommy to get the ball?

- Good boy. - Ball!

- What? You wanna get in there?

You want me to put you in there?

No?

Then what do you want? - Ball.

- You want your ball?

- That's a good boy.

Maddy. Madison.

- I'm sure I'm getting blamed

for lots of things in that family.

- I'm sure.

- Well, there's many victims.

- Yeah.

- I feel the same way about my mom.

One day, I hope to be able

to talk about all this stuff with you.

- So if I come to New York and we talk in person,

can we talk about stuff?

It's a shame...

where we are now,

the fact that it's-- everything's so unclear

and just sort of lingering, you know?

- Mm.

- It's starting to sprinkle.

- I know.

- Look at my little thing I made.

- It's cool.

- It's my little sitting area. - It's nice.

- It's really sweet when it's--

Yeah, this is a trailer, dude.

Sorry, I'm a little nervous. - You're good.

- It's just every time we reopen, I...

- I know. - Struggle, so I apologize.

- I can imagine. - Yeah.

I found some things of your mom's.

- Like what?

- You know, the most important thing to me is--

if you'll give me one second.

This is the purse that your mother was carrying

the day she was murdered.

- Oh, my God, that's the purse on her--on the lawn?

- Yes, I told the police-- - They released it?

- I told the police I'd put it in the house.

- And they never-- - Took it.

This is why I think something very bad

is wrong with Madison Police Department.

- I feel like we shouldn't even be touching this stuff.

- It's--they didn't fingerprint it.

- It's, like, evidence. - They didn't do anything.

You know how many times I've had to pack it and remove it?

- Did you read this thing? - No.

- "This being human is a guest house.

"Every morning a new arrival.

"A joy, a depression, a meanness,

"some momentary awareness comes as an unexpected visitor.

"Welcome and attend them all!

"Even if they're a crowd of sorrows

"who violently sweep your house empty of its furniture,

"still, treat each guest honorably.

"Be grateful for whoever comes,

because each has been sent as a guide from beyond."

- Okay, so this is the other stuff

I wanted you to see.

- What is this?

This is from my mom to her divorce attorney.

- Yes. - Where was all of this stuff?

- When they opened up the house,

she had piles of stuff--

- From the divorce or... - Yeah.

- "I feel it necessary to give you the entire scope

"of the situation in order for you to represent me

"to your best ability.

"I have many concerns, and once you know all of them,

"I know you will know the best course of action

"that we should proceed with.

"Jeff and I were married for 13 years.

"He started a number of companies.

"One in particular brought him overseas to the Middle East.

"He was extremely paranoid about his deals

"and wouldn't discuss them with me.

"He said his phones were tapped

"and his mail was tampered with.

"Jeff began to basically live in the Middle East

"and visit us at home.

"The FBI started calling and looking for Jeff.

"They came to our home on a number of occasions,

"but Jeff was always out of the country.

"Jeff is being investigated for money laundering

"to the tune of $200 million

"using an oil barge in the Middle East.

"He has three separate passports

"in different names.

"I was afraid of him, the FBI,

"how he had ruined numerous people's lives,

"that I would be next and that he would take the children.

"He threatened me that if anyone,

"government or not, came after him

that I would go down with him."

Jesus Christ.

Wow. Wait, wait.

"I also need to have a will made out.

"Could you please let me know when you could do that?

"I have documents, computer discs,

"names, bank accounts, and more

"that would benefit the INTERPOL investigation.

"They are kept in a safe place with instructions

"to be sent to INTERPOL

in the event something should happen to me."

What the f--

She sends that thing to a lawyer,

and then four or five years later,

she's murdered.

That's something, like, I've thought of

in the back of my head.

Like, if my mom was scared for her life,

would she ever give me a sign?

More divorce stuff.

Bank stuff.

This is credit card stuff.

So much shit.

What is this?

Pinnacle One.

"We now have ready 1.2 billion U.S. dollars."

These are all, like, tax returns

of businesses I've never heard of.

Anova Technologies.

So many accounts, man.

I'm looking at hundreds of millions of dollars

on contracts with my dad's name

at the bottom of all of it.

$250 million on contracts,

mentions of, like, Prague and Dubai.

$50 million tranches,

profits will be split between all of the partners.

It's just kind of insane.

What is this? - Based on what we found

in the file box, it looks like these are

sketches of money transfers

which look very shady.

- So Pinnacle One,

a company that, on some of these papers,

my dad claims to be the CEO of...

- Correct.

- Was transferring money to Aston Rothbury,

which we know was run by a convicted money launderer...

- Correct.

- To Anchor Bank

in Switzerland,

which has been accused of money laundering,

and to Bank of Cyprus, which has faced charges

for money laundering. - Yep.

You shouldn't be transferring money

to all these different banks that you--

in countries that you don't have any business in.

It's very strange.

- My background is financial crime,

and as we say in the college, we follow the money.

- One of the things that we found

was that the language of the contracts

that have my dad's name on them and our home address

match this thing called a prime bank program.

- People buy and sell bank guarantees

and use them to invest money into different banks,

but a lot of times, it's actually just a scam.

- So I want to add some more insanity to all this.

These are all shell companies,

meaning they exist on paper.

- Okay. - All right?

The majority of all this paper is just paper.

The letters are fake, right?

Or obviously, they're a scam to a specific customer

on the prime bank. - Right.

- You'll see where it says,

"The guarantee is governed by the latest revision

of the Uniform Customs and practice as,"

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

- Right.

- There was actually a fraud alert that went out

that that's totally fraud. - Wow.

- This is all pretty much smoke and mirrors.

- Is there any, like, reasonable explanation

for all of this stuff?

Like, any just regular business practice?

No.

- After he lost his job at Southern Electric,

he started his own business, which was RoadTrac.

Jeff gave me an opportunity to come work for him.

You know, it all seemed like it was a great opportunity

for me to get in on the ground floor

of a business.

For me, it just seemed as though something

wasn't quite right with the whole thing

'cause he would give me stories, you know,

that we were trying to get people to invest money and--

crazy stories,

like put a million dollars in,

and six months later, we'd have $10 million out,

and we'd all be making a ton of money,

and I just didn't understand it.

I made the decision that if it doesn't sound right,

it's probably not right,

so I questioned him about it,

and from that moment on, I was out.

He called me from overseas on the phone one day and said,

"Sorry, man, it's over."

I went home to three young kids

flat broke and without a job,

so that's how that relationship,

shall we say, turned,

you know?

- Did he ever take investment from the family

for business deals? - Uh-huh, yep.

He did from us several times and paid them back,

you know, as promised.

The last one, we've never seen again.

- What was the last deal?

- It was $125,000,

and it was very hard, and we'd be a lot better off

if we still had it, but we don't.

That's tough.

Did you not know that, Maddy? - No.

- I only ever met him in person

a small handful of times.

You know, at a deposition, at mediation,

those types of things.

The character of your father was this world traveler

who had been very successful and that he was doing

these deals overseas in Middle Eastern countries,

and they just never made any sense,

and to add to that, some of his idiosyncrasies

sort of just made him a memorable character.

- There's some correspondence that I've found

in a box of my mother's belongings

about my mom claiming that she was brought in

to the police department in Connecticut

because of an investigation

into my father's possible involvement

in a international money laundering scheme.

I don't know if you remember that at all.

- I do.

- The investigator who brought her in

to the police station on behalf of INTERPOL

disclosed that he had offshore bank accounts--

one in Switzerland and one in the Caymans--

that she was trying to track down.

- I mean, I know your mother had gathered,

as part of the divorce case, tidbits of information

about his overseas dealings.

- Your mom told me that she had gotten a call

and was asked to go to the Madison Police Department

because they believed that your father

was being used as a money launderer

or a mule.

I think they frightened your mother

into thinking that somehow they were going to

make her part of his crime.

So she went to Hugh Keefe to see

how she could protect herself.

She was really, really concerned.

- I didn't know what my dad was doing,

and I still don't,

but I never thought I would see, like,

his name on documents that have

hundreds of millions to billions of dollars

in currency exchanges.

- And that's why meeting with the police

is gonna be so critical, because we really need

to kind of go back to the beginning on this.

We need to know what they've done,

what they haven't done,

what their working theory is of the case.

That's the big unknown. - Yeah.

How's it going?

- Well. How are you, Madison?

- Nice to see you. - Good to see you again.

- Madison, Mark. - Nice to meet you, Mark.

- It's a pleasure, man.

- I can just introduce everybody,

and then I'll give Detective Sudock

a just brief update at where the project is at.

- Yeah, I think we ought to take our cues from Chris,

see where he is, how comfortable he is,

and, you know, how open he is.

- Yeah, full transparency.

I mean, tell him exactly what the intentions are

and stress how, you know, we are looking to work

with them 'cause we have that common goal.

- Today is gonna be, you know, show our cards,

and the teamwork philosophy needs to really come across.

- How's it going? Good to see you.

Or... - Sure.

- All right, you're the boss. All right.

- Yeah.

- Wow. - Wow.

- Yeah.

- Yeah.

- Wow.

- Yeah.

- I can't believe how confident

Detective Sudock was that they know who did it.

I can't believe how confident he was.

They've been this close since March 7, 2010,

to making an arrest-- this close.

- The number one suspect turned off their phone.

Ali's phone was on

'cause she was calling and texting.

Conway's phone was on because she received texts and calls.

The hurdle's gonna be convincing the chief,

but sounds like the police are gonna give us...

Some information that, whether or not

someone's taken to court,

may provide an answer.

I'm sorry time goes by and we don't talk, Conway.

It gets really hectic, you know?

- I'm just angry, Madison. I'm angry.

And I'm sorry if I'm interrupting your day,

but, God damn it, don't fucking ignore me.

- Conway, I am on your side. I'm working on it.

We have a really good shot.

- They're fucking doing nothing!

Those motherfuckers told me

I was the most important person

they wanted to talk to.

Why aren't you asking them,

"Why haven't you called my aunt?"

I'm angry, Mad. - I know.

I got you.

- No, I don't think you got me, Mad.

You get your little fucking project thing going

and blah, blah, blah.

You know, hopefully, it will come

to a fruition at some point.

- Don't push me away, Conway.

- I'm not pushing you away.

I'm telling you, tell me what the fuck is going on.

You think everything is gonna work out perfect.

- I don't think that, Conway.

How can you-- I don't think that.

- It doesn't work out perfect. Ever.

The whole thing makes me just...

so angry.

Your mom was my best friend in the whole wide world.

I didn't want to witness that shit.

I didn't want to see that.

Nobody understands. Nobody understands me anymore.

Ever.

- Something has to change.

And I don't have much time to wait.

I lost my fucking mind when I lost my sister.

- Group hug. - Mwah.

- It's those three sisters! - We're here.

- We're here! - Watch out.

- I can't live much longer without the truth.

- Hey, this is Madison Hamburg.

I'm hoping to get in touch with Detective Sudock.

Hey, Detective Sudock, this is Madison Hamburg.

I'm just following up from our call two days ago.

- You may start your message now.

- Hi, Captain Race, this is Madison Hamburg.

I'm just following up my previous phone call

about my documentary about my mom's murder.

- You have reached

the Madison, Connecticut, Police Department.

- You have reached the Connecticut State Police

Troop L in Litchfield.

- You've reached Sergeant Neal Mulhern.

I'm currently unavailable.

- Let me put you in to the commanding officer

of the major crime unit. - Okay.

- Unfortunately, he is out of the office

for the rest of the day.

- "Dear Chief Jack Drumm,

"I'm writing you in regards to my mother's

unsolved homicide investigation."

"As you know, I've been looking for answers

"into what happened to my mother

for the past six years."

"I've interviewed many individuals

on camera multiple times."

"I write to you pleading for the opportunity

"to talk about how my investigators

may be able to help."

- Put it on your eye.

What you doing? Pushing all the buttons?

- "My family and I live with my mother's absence every day.

"We are desperate to find justice

"for her murder.

"Five months from now will mark ten years

"since her death,

"and this month marks four years

since her case went cold."

- "Would be grateful for you to grant us the opportunity

to, at the very least, talk."

- Madison, this is Christie Hodge

returning your call, Madison Police Department.

Yes, the chief did get your letter.

He's not going to be available to meet

to discuss this with you,

and he's following the state's guidelines.

This is still an open investigation.

If you have specific questions,

feel free to contact Detective Neal Mulhern.

I think you already have his number.

Bye-bye.

- He's not even gonna talk to me?

No one's gonna answer their phone for weeks

and just not respond, wait till it goes away?

How do they think this looks?

- I can't believe that they wouldn't even say,

"Well, we'd be interested to meet with you and discuss

whatever new information you might have."

- Right?

- I think the next step-- well, they leave us no choice

but to do the FOIA request.

- Yeah.

- There must be some major problems

with the case that we just don't know about.

- Yeah, I don't know.

I mean, I'm not trying to create

an adversarial relationship with them in any way.

- No. - You know?

I'm just trying to help motivate

momentum in the case. - Sure.

- So the one thing that the police don't have

aside from access to my mom's Facebook

and some documents that we have

is, I'm still in touch with my dad.

- Yep, okay.

- And he has been asking to meet

in New York.

- Oh, wow.

- Going for a walk?

Here, he's gonna go.

Bye! - Bye-bye, Mommy.

Bye-bye, Mommy! - Bye-bye!

- Bye-bye, Mommy. Bye-bye.

- Bye-bye.

- So do I just text him?

I'll just call him.

- Hello. - Hey.

- How you doing? - How's it going?

- Okay.

- So I wanted to tell you I'm looking at

coming to the northeast,

and I wanted to know if you're gonna be around

in New York

'cause I'd love to see you.

- Visit, yeah, me too.

- I was thinking it would be cool

to go to where you grew up.

You grew up in Forest Hills, right?

- Yeah.

- I remember doing that as a kid.

- That'd be fine.

- We could have a vehicle drive by

this big front entrance as they walk in.

- You guys still in the same place?

- Hello, check, check.

- I mean, you can't see it, for sure.

- No.

- All right, I'm looking forward to it.

- Yeah, me too. - All right, see you then.

Bye. - Love you, bye.

Man.

- Fine.

He didn't suspect a thing,

which makes me feel really bad about what I'm doing.

- Yeah.

- Should make the most of this meeting.

- Hey.

How's it going? - Okay.

- Good to see you. - Yeah, you're looking good.

- Thanks. - You're looking thin.

- Thank you.

- So we're looking at the third floor going up.

- Where, here?

- Yeah.

- How did your parents end up here?

I don't know much about that.

- We lived in a Quonset hut. - A Quonset hut?

- My father got out of the service,

and so he had VA assistance, but he'd live in a Quonset hut

with a fire stove in the middle.

- Wow.

- And then we moved here.

- And what did-- oh, Grandpa Martin

was in the steel business?

- Oh, really?

- This is it.

Yeah, yeah, I want to know. You know?

We did this when I was younger. - Yeah, I know.

- I think I could just appreciate it more now.

So I've heard a lot of different stories,

but you are the only one who can tell me.

We were really wealthy.

Why did we lose all of that money?

- I...

- I feel like if I don't talk about it

and if I don't ask these questions,

I don't know that I'll ever be able

to get past this, like, giant elephant

that sort of stands between us. - Right.

Ten years, I've been accused of things.

- This is not me accusing you of anything.

- I'm not--okay.

- This is just me asking you questions,

because I want to trust you, and I want a relationship

with my father.

- Okay, I don't want to live this.

I really don't want to live through this.

- Do you want me to find parking?

- No, I want to go home.

- This is really unfortunate.

I came all the way up here to talk to you.

- I know, but I don't want to be given--

- But, like, think about it. Like, I'm--

- I don't want to-- I don't--

- I'm here. I'm listening to you.

- No, this is enough.

- If you could just tell me one thing that, like,

you feel maybe sorry for.

Do you realize, like, how all of this

impacted my life as your son?

- You think I did this to you, the murder of your mother?

You think that-- - Dad, you don't think--

- That I have anything to do with that?

- No, that's not what I'm saying.

- Okay, then I didn't impact your life.

- My childhood.

- I tried to do the best I could.

Do you know how much I loved your mother?

- I don't.

I want to talk to you about it.

- I loved your mother very much.

She was the love of my life.

Hey, so we got here an hour early.

Okay.

- Marcia, can I ask you a question?

- Sure.

- How did you find out about what happened to my mom?

- I don't want to bring up something heavy.

I just--you know, I don't see you guys very often,

and I'll regret not talking about it,

to be honest.

- What I want to know is not the answer

to what happened to my mom but more who my mom was

and who my father is.

- So, Jeff, do you want to say anything to that?

- Well, I'm--I listen to this,

but fathers don't always share everything with sons.

There are things that, in a million years,

I wouldn't share; I'll take it to my grave.

So forget about whether or not

I have to be the open book to you.

I'm the father, and you're the son.

- I'm gonna let you continue this conversation

and go upstairs. - Okay.

- Okay? - Thank you, Marcia.

It's really nice to see you. - Nice to see you too.

- And thank you so much for talking to me about that.

- Bye. - Bye.

- The questions you're asking to me

are questions that have nothing

to do with your childhood,

like, you know, about my business and--

- Sure, what were you doing?

Why were you gone all the time?

- Okay, I was overseas because I was doing business.

What is--what's the-- there's no mystery.

- Well, I--

- You don't know people who travel and do business?

You don't know people who go and stay--

- Spend, like, months away from their families?

And, you know, the things I found within my mom's stuff

is, like--

what is all of that?

- What is that?

- There's multiple letters from my mom

saying that you kept telling her

there's an oil rig that went aground

and that we were gonna be rich

to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars,

this deal that you were putting together.

- This is the first time I ever heard of that.

What--did you have something that says--

- I have the letters between you guys

when you were going through the divorce.

I have everything. I have all my mom's stuff.

What am I gonna do with it?

- Show it to me.

Bring it to me. Show it to me.

Show me everything.

- If that's what I have to do for you to tell me--

- I don't even know what you're talking about.

I don't even know what you're talking about.

- She has all these weird documents

with your name on 'em. - Okay. So? So?

- What are they?

The hundreds of millions of dollars

in currency transactions in Russia, in--

- Bullshit. That's all bullshit.

- Well, your name's on it. Our address is on it.

Your handwriting's on it. - I have no idea.

I don't know. Maybe it's forgeries.

I have no idea. I've never worked in Russia.

And I've never worked on $100 million deals

with the oil rigs.

Not only that.

Nobody's ever produced those to show anything.

- What--you say it like it's--

what do you mean nobody's ever produced?

- I don't believe it. - You don't believe what?

- I don't believe the letters.

I don't believe they're mine,

and I don't believe they came from me,

and I don't know what you're talking about.

- What's the prime bank stuff?

- That was a--

Prime bank? What's prime bank?

- It's, like, a prime bank guarantee for deals.

- That was the-- yeah, that was to--

that was to do some deals.

That was-- it's very complicated.

We tried our hand at trading oil.

It never worked.

There were all these phony bank guarantees,

all counterfeit. - Wow.

In letters that my mother wrote to her attorney,

she references being questioned

by the FBI about you.

Why would they-- - She reported--

In her drunken stupor, she called the police

and suggested that I was laundering money--

$100 million worth of money.

- Why did she think that? - She was drunk.

She was a drunk. Don't you understand?

You don't get it. You were a drunk.

You did things. They were crazy.

- Yeah, but I didn't, like-- - She was a dr--

You don't understand how many stupid things

that she could-- she was possible

that she could do when she was drunk.

She called them.

You know, I talked to the police,

and they said nothing.

It was all bullshit, and she was vind--I--

- No, no, I like to hear your side of this.

It paints a different picture of it.

- Your mother was vindictive.

She was--she--

she was...

You guys have a picture of her

of being this really nice person.

She wasn't really nice in-- deep down.

She was vindictive about a lot of things.

She just did some-- the craziest stuff.

She would come back from going out with her friends,

and she'd just fall down and pass out

on the bathroom floor.

That's how drunk she got.

She would leave you guys alone to go out drinking.

- Yeah, I remember.

- She claimed I abandoned you.

It was a fucking lie.

I don't hold it against her. I never did.

I just figure that she just revealed who really she was.

- Why did you bring Hugh Keefe to court?

- I can't talk to you about the legal issues.

This is what makes me more suspicious about--

- Suspicious about what?

- Well, what your endgame here is.

If your endgame is to know who I am,

I'm telling you who I am,

but don't start asking me questions that have to do

with the legal strategy of how I did this.

It's not important to you.

- I'll tell you how it played out for me.

- At this time, we are seeking to locate

her former husband, Jeffrey Hamburg.

- The police are saying,

"We don't know where your dad is."

Then the next time I hear your whereabouts,

you have, like, a criminal defense attorney--

- Well, wouldn't you?

I'm not gonna go talk to police without a lawyer.

I wasn't even anywhere near your mother's place.

- You were in New Haven, right?

- At the court. - At 9:30?

- I don't know what time it was.

I called my lawyer and saying, you know,

"Should I be waiting here longer?"

Your mother's not here.

It got continued, and then I left.

Simple as that.

They couldn't prove anything.

They couldn't even get a subpoena

because there wasn't any evidence.

- Other than circumstantial. - Not even circumstantial.

I wasn't there.

Timeline, I think, didn't work, and DNA didn't work.

- Yeah. - We tried to re-create it.

- Really? - Yeah, of course.

It didn't work.

But they were convinced that I did it,

and they wouldn't get off of it.

You have to look to the police to doing a shitty job,

and without them,

unless you hire your own private detective,

what are you gonna do?

So now you know it.

- Thank you. - You're welcome.

But there is more, and I'm not gonna tell you.

- All right? You ready to go? - Yeah.

- Whoa. - You okay?

- Yeah, no, I just didn't get my foot up.

- Good to see you. - Yep, same here.

- Yeah.

- What?

- Well, it's just-- it's confusing.

It's just all-- the emotions are

around all of it, you know?

Love you. - Love you too.

Good to see you. - Yep.

- Will do.

- I know.

I just don't know what the fuck

he's gonna do when this comes out.

- I realized that I could no longer contest

the things he was saying if I wanted to glean anything.

Just let's sit there and listen.

Their version of moving forward is ignoring it.

- Sweeping it under the rug.

- Acting like it never happened.

Why should I have a relationship

if he's not gonna talk about that shit?

I'm just relieved that it's over.

- And we're gonna go to that light

and go straight.

- Got it.

- So we're not B&E?

- All right, there's a lot of stuff in here.

- Tyler, oh.

And I have your mother right here.

- What is that? - Ashes.

- Oh, really? - Mm-hmm.

It's heavy.

I couldn't give 'em all away. I'm sorry.

- No, it's good.

Was she sharing with you about the details

about what was going on with my dad?

- Abandonment is why she filed for divorce.

- And you become closer with her because of that?

- I want to support her... - Okay.

- And help her.

What paperwork can I help you get together

to get this divorce, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?

- Yeah.

- And everything done with. You can go to court.

Ali, fucking Ali.

That's the only reason she fucking died,

'cause Ali insisted she go to court and get that money.

When Ali was born,

she was so addicted and...

would not let her mother go out of her sight.

It was awful.

I thought something was wrong with her

from when she was born. - Huh.

- Anyhow, that's my opinion, but...

I always tried to love her,

and now I don't.

- You don't love Ali? - Mm-mmm.

Not at all.

- Because you think she did-- she committed the murder?

- I know she did this. She called 911.

She comes over to your mother.

"I know"-- she's talking to 911--

"I know CPR. I'm gonna fix her.

I'm gonna help her."

She got as much blood all over her body

as she possibly could. - Ali did?

- Mm-hmm.

I thought that was very strange.

- Maybe she was just freaking out.

- Yeah, could be your option. Not mine.

- I'm just--

- Trying to reason with me before I go off the deep end?

Thank you.

- It's hard for anyone

to trust a lot of people--

my dad.

People have said things about the Gifting Tables.

People say things about Ali,

say things about-- - Me.

Everybody thinks I'm crazy, Madison, and I'm not.

- You're not crazy. - I'm fucked up.

My life is changed forever. - Everybody is.

It's a traumatic thing.

- I'm not the same person I once was,

and I know that. - Yeah.

She's so open about Ali.

But...

If it's not her theory that I'm entertaining,

she's, like, immediately defensive.

Like, I want so desperately

to have a change in people

so that when their, like, intimate--

these intimate versions of themselves

are portrayed, like, they don't--

it doesn't cause them trauma.

- Right.

- It's like, when people watch this,

they're gonna watch that.

They're gonna hear about the hit man.

They're gonna see about all of these things.

And it's just like...

I just want so desperately to be like,

"Hey, like, you gotta level with this shit.

Otherwise this is what you're leaving people with."

And I'm afraid that she won't see it like that.

It doesn't feel like there's a, like, good

that can come from that. - Right.

- What I know is, I saw your mom on Monday.

Actually, Monday, I saw her at one of the table things.

Your mom, I'll tell you, on that Monday night

when we saw her,

she was glowing, Madison.

She'd, like, bought herself some new clothes,

which she never did,

and she was just glowing from ear to ear,

and everybody noticed it.

We all said it.

We said, "You look so beautiful tonight.

You look so happy."

I'm probably not telling you anything helpful, but--

- No, it's--honestly, it's nice to know, to hear.

- Yeah, I mean...

that was the last time I saw her, but...

she called me on Tuesday and she said that, you know,

that she had, um, court the next day at 2:00,

and, um-- but she really--

her appointment wasn't at 2:00, but she--

she said it was at 2:00, and she goes,

"And that's really weird because it's usually

always in the morning."

- Yeah. - So somebody had to have

told her that. I don't know who told her,

but she got the information wrong.

- Weird. - Yeah.

- She talked to my mom at 10:30 at night on the 2nd.

And my mom told her that the court date

was at 2:00 p.m. and that that's weird

'cause it's always in the morning.

Wonder if someone--

- Yeah.

I wonder if someone, like--

This is...

kind of ridiculous, but, like,

I wonder if someone called impersonating, like, a clerk

and said it was gonna be at 2:00.

- So she would be-- - So she would be home.

It would explain why she's in her pajamas.

- Right.

- Pure speculation here.

The assailant shows up

the morning of the 2nd

thinking it's the last opportunity

'cause it's the day before the court date.

There's a period of time while Ali's in school,

so they, like, arrive at the house

thinking that my mom has no plans

but see that someone else is at the house.

- I just remember dark ski mask

looking in the window as he was walking

and thinking, "That was just really bizarre.

How bizarre was that?"

- Fucks that up,

decides not to go through with it,

is scared shitless that they are being reported

to the police, so they need to do it.

The only way to do it is the next day,

but there's not a big enough opportunity

'cause my mom would drop Ali off

and go straight to court,

so they call her and tell her

that court got postponed.

- What is this?

- This is Conway's witness statement

to the police... - Oh, wow.

- Which we didn't know she had.

- What does she say?

"Barbara told me that she and her attorney,

Rich Callahan, were to be at court at 2:00 p.m. today."

For some reason, my mom thinks that court is at 2:00

or is telling people that court is at 2:00.

- And this is probably

the best piece of evidence we have

because it's from the day.

- And we've confirmed with the court...

- That it was at 9:30. - That it was at 9:30.

- Police have my mom's phone.

- The road is blocked off by police.

They are treating this case as a homicide.

- Police did not talk about a suspect.

- Continue our investigation into the death

of Barbara Hamburg.

- Yes, the chief did get your letter.

He's not going to be available to meet.

- So ever since the Madison Police Department

told us that they were gonna issue a full denial

of our request for records, I submitted this appeal

to the Freedom of Information Commission,

and now they've decided to take our appeal,

so they've assigned a mediator to our case.

He said that he called the Madison Police Department

and that they seem very firm

and that we're gonna have to go to a hearing.

- Okay.

- Yeah.

I know.

- A lot of your project. - I know.

- My God. - Thanks. I know.

- So the main issue is, they've asserted

that this is an ongoing and active investigation,

and our goal will be to show that it's not actually

an ongoing and active investigation

in anything other than name.

- It just undercuts the claim that they're making

that they can't release any of this information.

- How do you do? - Good.

- Hey. - Hey, how you doing?

- Good to see you. - Good to see you, man.

- Hey, Detective Sudock, good to see you.

- Hi. Anike. - Hey, how's it going?

- Do you solemnly and sincerely

affirm and declare the evidence you shall give

in the case now in question shall be the truth,

the whole truth, and nothing but the truth

upon the pain and penalty of perjury?

- I do. - Okay.

- I do.

- To start, what is your relationship

to the deceased?

- Barbara Hamburg was my mother.

- And when was your mother murdered?

- March 3, 2010.

- Have you been in contact with the police

in the ten years since the murder?

- Yes, I have.

Specifically meetings in 2013, 2016, and 2019.

- Turning to the 2019 meeting,

do you remember which detective you met with?

- Detective Sudock.

Most any interaction is in some way recorded

with the police that I've ever had.

- I don't think they do.

- While you were at this meeting,

did you make a recording of the conversation?

- I did.

- How did you make the recording?

- On my phone.

- We're going to, yes.

- Well, I'm going to object.

First of all, this was done surreptitiously, okay?

Second of all, I don't know what editing he's done.

Obviously, he's in a business where he has access

to the ability to edit things.

I'd have to repeat it to a forensic expert,

so at this point in time,

I would object to admission of the document.

- Okay, you can take it back. - Okay.

- He's testifying under oath

what's happening at this meeting.

- Detective Sudock, in your opinion,

do you believe that the disclosure

of the information would be prejudicial

to any potential future law enforcement action?

- Yes.

- Do you recall the last time

you were either analyzing data or looking into

a new possible lead in this case?

- Yes, last week, we had information

on this investigation.

Last week. - Okay.

- Okay, for the sake of time, I will cut it off there.

Some key points, thank you.

- Based on the statements in the 2019 meeting

you had with Detective Sudock,

that goes a long way towards proving

that this may just be an open investigation in name.

They've had the same primary suspect

since March 7, 2010. - Right.

- Nothing that they've done, despite the fact

that they've done hundreds and hundreds of interviews,

has gotten them any closer. - Yeah.

- So the whole point is to try to give the image

that what they're doing is, they're just sitting there

twiddling their thumbs.

Detective Sudock, is an unsolved murder case--

will that ever be closed by the Madison Police Department?

- I don't know the answer to that.

I can't answer that.

- To your knowledge, is there any unsolved murder case

that has been closed by the Madison Police Department?

- To my knowledge, this is the only unsolved homicide

in Madison at this time. - Sure.

So are you aware of the FOIA request

that's the subject of this hearing?

- I reviewed the documents, yes.

Including the 911 call.

- Right, and is that including the 911 call?

- Mm-hmm.

- Did you also review that document

and determine that it was--

- I did not review that, no.

- Okay, and yet the police department decided

not to turn over that document

in response to the FOIA request?

- This is the first time I'm aware of that, sir.

In the best of my recollection, there's no information in there

that would identify a perpetrator.

- Madison Hamburg today testified

about a 2019 meeting.

Do you recall that meeting? - Yes, sir, I do.

- "We've got nothing."

Do you recall making that statement?

- Yes, sir, I do. - Okay.

Do you recall making the statement...

- Do you remember making that statement

saying that the case was held up

and not moving forward?

- It's possible I said that.

- Finally, regarding the DNA in 2010

in referencing bad kits, do you recall saying...

I remember discussing the DNA kits.

I don't remember if we used the word "crap"

or anything like that,

but I remember that we did discuss those.

- Beyond the potential updates in DNA evidence

and DNA testing,

is there anything else to investigate?

- I'm going to object 'cause now we're getting

right into the core of the investigation,

which this whole process is designed to protect.

- The detective has admitted that he stated

that there are no leads in this case.

- He said they got a lead last week.

- That's absolutely correct, sir.

- Did I not hear that correctly?

- Yes, sir.

- Right, but he hasn't been able to provide

anything beyond a conclusory statement

that this is ongoing.

- I have a witness last week, seven days ago.

That's ongoing.

- The witness that you interviewed last week,

is that somebody that you had previously never interviewed?

- I think you're getting too much

into the details of the case, and I would object.

- No further questions.

- I just have one question.

You're claiming release of information

would be prejudicial to a prospective

law enforcement action.

What prospective law enforcement action

would be prejudiced?

- It could be a search warrant. It could be an arrest warrant.

It could be another scene.

I mean, there's so many things it could be.

I mean, I could go on with speculating,

but I don't know.

But I know there's information in there

that I need, and that information,

in my opinion,

should be kept--remain with the police department

and not be public because it's only gonna hamper

any further investigative tool or technique

that we would have in the future.

- Okay, that's good. Thank you very much,

- With that, I will close this hearing at 4:30 p.m.

- See you, Chief Drumm.

- I'll wait to from you in the future.

- Sounds good.

- I won't. I won't.

- Mm-hmm.

It sounds like we're gonna get the 911 phone call,

but even if they release that,

it's still gonna be months before we get a decision

about the rest of the case file.

It says, "Following the Connecticut

"Freedom of Information Commission hearing

"on February 19, 2020,

"we reviewed the 911 telephone call

"placed by Barbara Alexandra Hamburg

"and Conway Beach associated with this matter.

"After consideration, we concluded that such

"should be released to you

"pursuant to your October 18, 2019,

Freedom of Information request."

This is the call.

Okay.

I'm gonna listen to it.

- 911.

- I need someone at 44 Middle Beach Road.

Right now. My sister .

I don't know.

It just brings me back to this moment where--

when Ali told me about it.

I thought that they were wrong

and that, like, there's a chance that she was alive.

Like, I just listened to them realizing that she's dead.

- Mm-hmm.

- I know.

We finally found the record of Ali getting to school,

signing in at Kara's desk at 7:54 a.m.

- You're shitting me. - No.

- They finally found that? - Yeah.

- You're positive? - Yeah.

So Ali had to wake up Mom. - Mm-hmm.

- Takes her to school in her pajamas.

- Drops her off.

Ali signs in.

Mom drives home.

Because she's still in her pajamas,

she was probably walking from the car

to the door, and that's where it happened.

- Mm.

- And that's, like, my best speculation.

- Mm.

Damn.

Who the fuck--I mean, really, who would do this?

- I don't know. - Mm.

You know, maybe I need to relook at this another way.

- Yeah.

- Okay.

Thank you.

- You know, I was reading your notes

from when you and Ali were going to therapy.

And I could read how much you cared

and how much stress it was putting on you

to take care of Ali.

I know that my mom would be grateful

that you stepped up.

You didn't have to, but--

- No.

- My mom can't say thank you,

so I'm just gonna say thank you for doing that.

- Well, your mom gave me the strength.

I do know that.

- Hey.

- What'd the taxi say about all of this?

- Hola.

- Oh! - Hey.

Hello, amigo.

- Yeah, nice to meet you too.

- Hello. - Hello.

- Madison, how are you?

- Good. How are you?

- Has Ali told you about mi madre?

- Oh, yes. - He knows everything.

- She was pretty. The same, Ali?

- Oh, they look alike. - We look alike.

- Yeah, sí. - Yeah.

- I love Barbara, yeah.

- So I wanted to tell you something,

and I'm worried

about telling you. - Okay.

Go ahead, tell me.

- So...

Conway... - Mm-hmm.

- Has suspicions that you had something to do

with Mom's death.

- Okay.

- And she's been really adamant about it,

and I don't want you to find out that out

through the film.

- Okay.

Thank you for telling me.

- I'm sorry... - Yeah.

- That this has affected her and you this way.

- Yeah, you don't have to be sorry.

I honestly think

that everyone knows where that accusation is coming from.

- What do you mean?

- I mean, it's coming from Conway,

and Conway has her own problems,

and she's a very hurt person,

and hurt people

don't always act...

in the most sound manners

and don't have the most sound perspectives.

- Yeah.

- And I don't hold that against her

'cause she's sick. - Yeah.

- I really don't. I'm not angry.

I'm not even surprised.

I mean, I've gone through so much therapy

since Mom died just trying to work on myself

and become a better person

and overcome everything that happened,

and you really realize that when a tragedy happens,

you have a decision.

This is a fork in the road.

You can stay in what happened, in the trauma,

or you can move forward. - Mm-hmm.

- And I think that I chose the path of moving forward

and Conway was not capable of moving forward

and chose the path of staying in it.

Moving forward doesn't mean escaping it,

doesn't mean--no.

It means making something of your life

'cause that's what Mom would've wanted.

I'm so happy you're here.

It's important that I have someone

in my family here with me.

- Yeah? - Yeah.

It means a lot for me to be marrying here

because all I've wanted ever since Mom died is a home,

and I've looked, and I've looked,

and I finally found a home.

It's a home, and it doesn't matter where I am.

I could be here, I can be in the United States,

but I have a home.

I have roots.

- Sí.

- Hey. Mwah.

- Hamburg.

- Barbara Alexandra Hamburg.

- I also came across a letter I wrote to Ali

but never gave it to her.

"Dear Ali, my heart is broken.

"You are my sister's daughter.

"I love you, and we are family.

"Blood is thicker than water.

"I hope one day, you'll understand what I mean by that

"and embrace me and the idea

"that family includes the good, the bad, the ugly.

"The tears will never end,

"but you and I can always begin again.

I love you all the world, baby girl."

- Madison, who's that?

- Mommy. - Who's this?

- Mama, Mommy. Daddy.

- And who's this? - Mommy.

My relationship with my dad is really confusing,

and the fact that I'm making a documentary

about my life and it's a secret to him

is a huge weight.

Part of me thinks that the only reason

I'm keeping this relationship afloat

is because of this documentary.

- Yeah.

- I just hope that by the end of this,

if he watches this,

that...

he'll understand.

The pros and cons are starting to get really gray...

Unless he had something to do with it.

Fuck, man.

Do I tell him that I've been making this this whole time?

- Hey.

- Hey, what's up? - How you doing?

- I'm good. Sorry to call you so late.

- It's all right.

- Or just a lot later than I told you.

- Yeah. Everything all right?

- Um...

No.

I need to talk to you about something.

- Okay.

- I have looked into every aspect

of my mom's life... - Yeah.

- And I've started to dredge up things

that she was holding on to that involve you.

- Uh-huh.

I don't--

- I have no idea what you're talking about,

and your mom was--you know?

I mean, she made all kinds of off-the-rail--

I mean, she was-- she was a .

- My mom is writing letters while she's sober.

There's correspondence from 2009

saying that you told her

that your life was in danger,

that me and my sister and my mom were unknown

to your overseas activities to keep us safe.

You know, I've sort of dug into public registries

just to see the validity of these documents.

- Are you recording this? Are you recording this?

- Yes, I'm recording this.

- Okay, well, I have nothing to say,

and I have no--

I have no idea what's going on,

and I don't know what you're--

why you're acting this way,

and I don't know what you have.

You know, I'm completely in the dark.

- Okay, well, it looks like there are deals with IEC,

Summa Finance, Cleontia Investments,

Pinnacle One.

Your name are on these business registries

in different countries

and mentioned in the divorce proceedings.

Why are these different international businesses

registered to you if you know nothing about it?

- You're presupposing something nefarious happened,

so it's a fantasy, and it's something

that somebody's making up, and--

- Who is making it up?

- I don't know. You tell me.

- Who would-- who could make this up?

- I have no idea.

I certainly am not gonna sit here and speculate

on something that I don't have in front of me

nor do I care to answer about.

I mean, it's just in the past,

and, you know, there's nothing I did that was wrong,

and when you are done with this,

maybe we'll get together,

but I have nothing more to say.

- I know, but I'm going to dig deeper,

but if I do that, am I putting myself in danger?

- This is absurd.

This is really absurd.

If you want to talk to me father and son,

it's fine, but I'm not gonna talk

to you about this anymore.

This is obviously...

some crap, so...

- I don't know what to say.

I don't know if you got caught up in this stuff,

and I don't know why my mom was so worried about it,

and I don't know if I should be worried.

- Is that it?

Okay.

Bye.

- He hung up on me.

He did say, "Maybe after all of this,

we can talk about it."

But I think that until he reaches out

and tells me something truthful,

I think that's it.

What else do I have to say?

You know, what's crazy is, like,

outside of all of this...

I still want to have a relationship with my dad.

He keeps talking about wanting to live out

the rest of his life

without thinking about any of this stuff.

What the fuck happened?

I may never know what happened to my mom,

and it may not have anything to do with this.

We don't know if any of this stuff is criminal.

We only know that he's never been charged with anything.

But I'll never stop,

because I wake up, and I look in the mirror,

and I see her.

- Family and friends of Barbara Hamburg

gathering at the First Congregational Church

to remember her life.

She was found dead outside her home

on March 3, 2010.

We are coming up on the tenth anniversary

of her death.

- I could say a million things about my mom.

I think her memory exists in fragments

spread across the lives that she touched,

and I think today there's enough of those fragments

together for this to matter.

Dear Mom,

when you died, I lost my will to live.

My world suddenly became a place

where murders can happen to people I loved

and go unsolved,

and I couldn't handle that.

I decided that finding your killer

was going to give me a reason enough to live.

It would give me purpose.

So I started asking questions seven years ago.

- Whoa!

- And when I started to look into your life

for clues about your death, I quickly realized

that I didn't really know you.

I learned about your childhood,

your first crush,

when you fell in love with my dad.

I read in your letters and scrap pieces of paper

about your biggest fears, the toll of your divorce,

the stark truth about your alcoholism,

and the inspiring story of your recovery.

I learned you weren't a saint

and you made decisions that you morally questioned.

- Watch out!

- But one thing was constant.

- Yay, Madison!

- Your world revolved around your children,

around me and my sister, Ali.

- You're on, baby.

- There's the carpet right there.

- Every so often, something triggers me

to remember that this is all real.

- Say hi.

- I'll see a mother and son getting ice cream...

Or I'll see my friends' mothers

watch them get married, have kids.

I will never have that with you.

I would give anything to go back

and tell you how proud of you I was...

And how inspiring and beautiful you were.

If I could just do that,

maybe that would give me a purpose.

If my film could be my way of telling you

"I love you" one last time.

Check, one two, one two.

Mom, all you wanted for me was to be happy

and healthy,

to have a strong support group,

to follow my dreams, and to stand up

for what I believe in.

And through obsessing over your story

and over your death, I've learned

that I don't have to simply accept

the world I was running from,

the world where murders go unsolved.

I can fight to hold that world accountable.

I may not have found the meaning of life

or who and what I'm doing this story for,

but, Mom,

you don't have to worry about your son anymore.

Love, Madison.

- Her death has gone unsolved,

listed as a cold case, adding to the pain here.

Her son with a message to whoever killed his mother.

- If you're out there, the person who killed my mom...

You must be living with such a weight,

and I feel sorry for what you must be carrying.

If I could ask you one question,

it would just be, "Why?"

Maybe it was a terrible mistake.

Why not relieve yourself?

Please turn yourself in.

Let us know why, at least.

Come on in. - Whoo!

- Hi there.

- Hey, guys, before we eat,

I just wanted to give you guys something.

In 2013, we spread my mom's ashes

in Maine.

I thought that there weren't any left,

and when Conway and I went to Florida,

we found the rest of 'em,

so I called my friend who is a ceramicist

to make something for you guys

that has a channel inside of it

that has some of my mom's ashes in 'em.

- Wow. - Oh.

Oh, my God, that's beautiful, Maddie.

Oh.

- I love you, Grammy.

- So update from the Freedom of Information Commission.

- Mm-hmm.

- Hot off the presses.

"Let's find a time to discuss

after we all have a chance to read and absorb."

- Go to the last page, just--

- "It is found that the respondents

failed to prove that the requested records"--

holy shit--

"are exempt from disclosure."

Holy shit. - We won.

- Holy shit, dude.

If you combine the two wells of information,

our investigation and theirs,

you may be able to come to a conclusion

that gives you and your family closure.

- Where are your toes?

Are those your toes?

Where are your fingers?

- Madison got a ball.

Nice job, Maddie.