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What was your best recollectionof coming home?
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Ali and I pulled up.
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I see these cushions
up against the bushes--
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So, you pulled back
the same cushion, what happens?
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It's your mom.
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I'm doing a, um,
documentary on Mom.
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Your motherwas a very complicated person.
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She had a life thatI had no idea she had.
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I think the police
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dropped the ball
on your mother's murder.
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You can't getan answer if you don't have
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people looking inthe right places.
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At the end of the day,
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we're not investigators.
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Hello, hello, hello.
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It could be any of us that
you're talking to right now.
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Somebody, somewhere,knows something.
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- There's Madison,
building his puzzle.
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With Daddy helping.
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- He does it all by himself.
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Hello?
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- Hey.- Hey.
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- Very good, Madison.
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- Yeah, I mean, I--
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there isn'ta definitive answer
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to this murder,
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so I don't wanna lose you,
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because I don't know,you know?
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- You don't thinkthey looked other places?
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Yay for Madison.
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Go show Mommy your puzzle,
honey.
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- Ball?- Oh, I see.
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You want Mommy to getyour ball?
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You want Mommy to getyour ball?
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Good boy.
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What?You wanna get in there?
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You want meto put you in there?
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No?
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Then what do you want?
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You want your ball?
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That's a good boy.
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Maddy.Madison.
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Ours is a rich
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and variant land.
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We have bounties beyond those
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known to the peopleof any other day.
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And as responsibleas anyone else
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for the care of these bounties
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is the woman
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in the American home.
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- WDRC-FM HD3 Hartford.
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- So the topic today, Ray,is gifting tables.
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- Ah, Gifting Table.That's right.
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And I had a friendinvolved in it.
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In the beginning, I would justhear her on the phone
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talking about soup and saladand appetizers
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and entrées and dessert.
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One time, I said, "Am I evergonna get an invitation
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to this eventyou're planning?"
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She said, "No.
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"This isa women's empowerment group.
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"It's just for women.
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Pretend you never heard that."
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- I hope I'm notdisturbing you
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by any of the questions.
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- No.
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I mean, I don't wanna bethe one
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to drop the bombs here,you know?
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- I'm ready for bombs.
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You good?
- Good.
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- Cool.
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- There we go.
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- Okay.
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So what were
the Gifting Tables?
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- We had dinner parties
once a week,
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and everybody would
really get dressed
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and put on their best clothes
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and makeup and jewelry,
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and we just had a great time.
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It was just a club.
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- Why didn't I know
about the Tables?
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Why do you think
my mother kept that from me?
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Oh.
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I didn't know
that you didn't know anything
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about the Tables,
quite frankly.
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So I don't know.
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- Okay.
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Let's go back a little bit.
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How did you meet my mother?
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- Your mom was a little girlwhen I married Ed,
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your mom's uncle.
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We met in high school.
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It was meant to be.
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You know, he's the only manof my life.
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Your mom and I werereally, really close,
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but I really met her moreas an adult
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when she married your dadand moved to Madison.
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- What did you thinkof my dad?
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- I really like your dad.I really liked him a lot.
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Come on, Jeff.
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It's funny,'cause I always tell
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all the peoplewho married into the family,
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"This is one of the mostoverwhelming families
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you'll ever, ever meet."
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- Ali!
Ali!
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- There's nobody crazier thanyour whole family together.
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I tried to seehow long I could go
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without beingin the family photograph,
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and your dad said,"Well, you're in the family,"
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and I said, "I've never been
in the family picture
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and no one has ever noticed."
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So your dad made me come down
and get in the picture.
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We were the same age,your father and I,
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so I think that we had
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a certain connection.
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But I knew the good guy.
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Didn't know the bad guy.
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After the divorce,
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that's when her drinkingstarted becoming a problem.
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She started plunging downhill.
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She said she was drinking
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until she passed outevery night.
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I looked at her and I said,"Where's my Barbie?
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"My Barbieis a take-charge girl.
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Where'd she go?"
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- Yes.
Absolutely.
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Your grandfather,Sandy, had it.
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He was soberfor almost 50 years
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before he died.
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And all three of the girls,and the boys, no.
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Isn't that funny?I don't have it.
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You either inherit that gene,
I guess,
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or you don't, you know?
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It was a real surprise for me.
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I didn't think
your mother had it.
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But then I didn't thinkCathy had it either.
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- Your mom was drinking a lot,
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and she was arrestedfor a DUI.
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I guess she came out
of a blackout,
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and she doesn't know
if she was driving the vehicle
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or if someone else was.
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Every night,I would call your mom.
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She would answer sometimes.She wouldn't answer sometimes.
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One night, she said,"I'm gonna die."
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And I said, "What do you mean,you're gonna die?"
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She said, "I need some help."
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And I said,
"I'll see you in the morning."
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So I took her to treatment.
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And Grammy cameand took care of you,
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and when your mom came home,
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she was a whole new woman.
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- How did you meet my mom?
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- I met her in an AA meeting.
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- What was my mom's
early sobriety like?
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- Your mother
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was the mostenthusiastic newcomer
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that I've ever known.
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She was magnetic, alive,and compelling,
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and a joy to be around.
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Let's say she and I walkedinto a room together,
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I'd walk in behind her,
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the reaction to her, it wasalways incredibly welcoming.
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- Really?
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- Where Barbara was,
people wanted to be.
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- How would you describe her?
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- As a light.
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A shining light.
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She was instrumentalin my sobriety.
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Very much so.
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She was the best
and only friend
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I really ever had.
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- She really lovedthe program.
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She cared about people.
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She loved sponsoring new girls.
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I think she knew that
that was her purpose in life,
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you know, to help others.
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People don't realize,when you lose one person,
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how much it affects
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so many other people,you know?
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- Do you think
we'll ever find out who did it?
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- I hope in my lifetime.
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You know, I'm 65 years old.
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I don't know
how much longer I'm gonna live.
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But I would really like
to know.
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You have a lot more time
than I do.
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You okay, man?
- Yeah.
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This is just groceries.
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Mommy got some milk,
some potatoes.
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- That's the chicken
for dinner.
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As she lives her life
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as the woman American,
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we often seem to charge herwith the responsibility
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of getting moreout of the family purse
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than is there.
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Her art of workingwith the family
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helps provide uswith the daily necessities
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and, perhaps,
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some of our delightfulAmerican privileges of life.
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- When she got sober,
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was my dad paying
any child support?
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- No.
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So she had nothing
to help you two guys with.
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Nothing at all.
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- So how was she paying for usif she wasn't making money?
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- Your mother had an IRA
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that she was cashing out,
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and that's how she tried
to make ends meet.
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- Is that why she joined
the Tables?
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- Yes.
She needed the money.
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- How did you meet Donna?
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- I becamereally introduced to her
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through the Gifting Tables.
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At that time,Donna was hosting
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all the Gifting Table partiesat her house.
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- A mark.
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- I don't want you to hold back
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because I'm the person
who's asking,
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if that makes sense.
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- Mm-hmm.
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By the way,I really loved your mother.
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- Yeah.
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- The whole thing was justso stupid.
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I mean, like,
I'm the last person
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who's a fraud.
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All right.
- Dude, you look fine.
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- All right.
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- How long have you known
my mom?
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- I met her
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early on in the Tables.
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I think it was 2007.
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I invited a womanwho invited Jill.
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That's how I met Jilland your mother.
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And it wasa community of women.
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And so I thought
it was a great thing.
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It was a very large part
of my life.
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We raised money
for so many people
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to help them.
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It was a good thing.
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- Check this out.
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This is the amount of money
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that each woman made.
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Wow.
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That's crazy.
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- They are called
gifting clubs.
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- Gifting circle.
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- Ring leadersare telling members
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they can take in an extra80 grand in cash annually.
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- When women were invitedto these Tuesday night events,
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which were typically insomeone's home,
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they would be toldnot to tell your husband,
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not to tell anybodyabout it afterwards.
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It was just womengetting together,
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and it was all cash-based,
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and it was allterribly secret.
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- The talk was always about
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how to get more peopleinto the food chain.
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- Should I stop filming now
or can I keep going?
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- Keep going.
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- I have an appointment
with Detective Mulhern.
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- Name?
- Madison Hamburg.
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Awesome.
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Thank you so much.
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- Okay.
He's on his way out.
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- Okay, great.
- Thank you.
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- No, thank you.
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- Hey.
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- Good.How are you?
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- Good to see you.
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- Where do you want me to sit?
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- Cool.
271
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- Madison's been in there
for two hours
272
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when he was only scheduled
to be in there for one hour.
273
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Um...
274
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Hello. How's it going?
- Hi. How are you?
275
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- Good. How are you?
- Come on in.
276
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- Thanks.
277
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- How you doing
on this hot day?
278
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- Good.
Are we good to park over here?
279
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- Yeah, you're fine.
280
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- Cool.
- Yeah, come on in.
281
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- So when did you become closewith my mom?
282
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- When she movedup here permanently.
283
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I got closer with her,actually,
284
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when I went to a couple
of the Gifting Table meetings.
285
00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,166
- Okay, so what is
a gifting table?
286
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If you are goingto give a party,
287
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plan that partyaround a purpose.
288
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- They called it a sisterhood.It was beautiful.
289
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It was like, you walk in,
everybody was, like--
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greeted you and they were kind
and they were supportive.
291
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Plan for refreshments
292
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and entertainment.
293
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- With the Gifting Tables,
294
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you joined with a $5,000 gift
to a woman.
295
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That put youin a bottom row position,
296
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which we had calledappetizers,
297
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and then you were asked
to find one or two people,
298
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preferably two, to follow you,
299
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and then you, as an appetizer,moved up to the next level,
300
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which we calledthe soup and salad level.
301
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You already have
your two people behind you.
302
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Your job is done.
303
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You're just there to support
304
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the peoplethat are behind you
305
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and make them successful.
306
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Now you move upto the next entrée position,
307
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and you needed to have
eight people
308
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in the appetizer position.
309
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And then you'rein the position
310
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to actually receivethe eight gifts.
311
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Five times eight.
312
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$40,000.
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Dessert is receiving.
314
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It's when you get
your just desserts.
315
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Make surethe party is fun for everyone.
316
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- The night
you would get gifted,
317
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everybody was so creative.
318
00:19:34,250 --> 00:19:37,667
One girl put all the hundreds
319
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in a balloon
320
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and then popped it,and all the money flew.
321
00:19:41,959 --> 00:19:46,333
One woman made a necklaceout of the money.
322
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- I remember the first timeI brought cash home
323
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and I showed it to Ed.
324
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I just threw it on the bed
325
00:19:51,542 --> 00:19:53,375
and the $100 bills were
just going all over the place.
326
00:19:53,458 --> 00:19:56,125
He said,
"You mean this actually works?"
327
00:19:57,917 --> 00:20:00,709
It was a lot of fun.I mean, it really was.
328
00:20:00,792 --> 00:20:02,000
Think about it.
329
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Just raining $100 billsall the time.
330
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- Now the tables fall.
331
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Everyone's gifted.
332
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She goes off and followsthe person that brought her.
333
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There goes her two womenbehind her.
334
00:20:14,625 --> 00:20:16,166
And then it startsall over again.
335
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So you have to bringpeople in.
336
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- Right.- Otherwise, it's gonna die.
337
00:20:21,417 --> 00:20:23,041
- You have to understand
the timing here.
338
00:20:23,125 --> 00:20:25,542
- Now it's official.
We are in a recession.
339
00:20:25,625 --> 00:20:28,834
- Jobless claims hita 26-year high.
340
00:20:28,917 --> 00:20:31,208
- So this is the early partof 2008.
341
00:20:31,291 --> 00:20:33,125
Everybody needed money.
342
00:20:33,208 --> 00:20:36,125
People were losing their jobs
left and right.
343
00:20:36,208 --> 00:20:37,250
They were terrified.
344
00:20:37,333 --> 00:20:38,750
How were they gonna make
ends meet?
345
00:20:38,834 --> 00:20:42,000
They came on the Table,
they weren't afraid anymore.
346
00:20:42,083 --> 00:20:43,083
I needed money just to pay
347
00:20:43,166 --> 00:20:44,375
for your uncle's
health insurance,
348
00:20:44,458 --> 00:20:46,041
and that was the main reason
why I was doing it,
349
00:20:46,125 --> 00:20:48,000
because, you know,we had to pay
350
00:20:48,083 --> 00:20:50,250
$2,300 a monthjust for health insurance,
351
00:20:50,333 --> 00:20:52,250
and that wasn'twith medication.
352
00:20:52,333 --> 00:20:55,750
I will have to say,
if you give a person hope,
353
00:20:55,834 --> 00:20:57,208
you change their life.
354
00:20:57,291 --> 00:20:58,458
I saw miracles happen.
355
00:20:58,542 --> 00:21:00,917
Conway was a miracle.
356
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,750
- So who invited you?
357
00:21:02,834 --> 00:21:05,375
- Your mother
358
00:21:05,458 --> 00:21:07,875
and my aunt Jill.
359
00:21:07,959 --> 00:21:09,750
I was, like,coming into my own
360
00:21:09,834 --> 00:21:11,208
for the first time in my life
361
00:21:11,291 --> 00:21:13,417
and feeling a lot of support.
362
00:21:13,500 --> 00:21:15,792
It was different from AA.
363
00:21:15,875 --> 00:21:17,792
That's about staying sober.
364
00:21:17,875 --> 00:21:22,458
This is about how to live life
and, you know,
365
00:21:22,542 --> 00:21:25,542
be a strong, healthy,
happy woman.
366
00:21:27,500 --> 00:21:29,083
- I gotta tell you something.
367
00:21:29,166 --> 00:21:31,917
This is something
that most guys don't get.
368
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,834
It's really something
that women get.
369
00:21:34,917 --> 00:21:36,959
Women get this,
but guys don't get this.
370
00:21:37,041 --> 00:21:41,083
This gifting club and that
sorority kind of a thing,
371
00:21:41,166 --> 00:21:43,125
they don't get it.
372
00:21:43,208 --> 00:21:45,625
- Did Chris know
about the Tables?
373
00:21:45,709 --> 00:21:48,625
- We did tell him.
374
00:21:48,709 --> 00:21:49,917
He didn't like it at all.
375
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,125
- I'm like, "That is--
what are you doing?
376
00:21:53,208 --> 00:21:55,083
You're gonna get in trouble
for that."
377
00:21:55,166 --> 00:21:56,417
She's like, "Absolutely not."
378
00:21:56,500 --> 00:21:58,000
And I assured him.
379
00:21:58,083 --> 00:21:59,291
I said, you know,
380
00:21:59,375 --> 00:22:01,667
"Honest, Chris,
it's totally legal."
381
00:22:04,083 --> 00:22:06,083
He said, "I don't know.
I don't know.
382
00:22:06,166 --> 00:22:08,375
It's kinda scary."
383
00:22:09,875 --> 00:22:12,458
- Their MO was,"What we're doing is legal,
384
00:22:12,542 --> 00:22:13,959
but we don't want itto become illegal,"
385
00:22:14,041 --> 00:22:15,750
and so that's why they did
all these weird things,
386
00:22:15,834 --> 00:22:17,542
like have codewords for stuff.
387
00:22:17,625 --> 00:22:19,166
- We don't recruit.
388
00:22:19,250 --> 00:22:20,500
We invite.
389
00:22:20,583 --> 00:22:21,667
It is not an investment.
390
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:23,709
Don't ever tell anybodyit's an investment.
391
00:22:23,792 --> 00:22:25,208
It's a gift.
392
00:22:25,291 --> 00:22:27,208
- And my mom used to keep,
393
00:22:27,291 --> 00:22:29,792
like, tens of thousands
of dollars
394
00:22:29,875 --> 00:22:32,333
in the freezer at home in bags.
395
00:22:32,417 --> 00:22:33,500
I remember that.
396
00:22:33,583 --> 00:22:34,792
They were exercising
397
00:22:34,875 --> 00:22:36,500
what they thoughtwas a tax loophole.
398
00:22:36,583 --> 00:22:40,792
They're essentiallymini pyramids, more or less,
399
00:22:40,875 --> 00:22:43,709
with the main difference beingyou got in, you got out.
400
00:22:43,792 --> 00:22:46,166
You got in, you got out.You got in, you got out.
401
00:22:46,250 --> 00:22:48,709
But in order for them to work,more people had to join.
402
00:22:48,792 --> 00:22:50,375
Right?
403
00:22:54,250 --> 00:22:57,542
- So I'm a new member.
404
00:22:57,625 --> 00:22:59,458
How do you introduce me?
405
00:23:00,500 --> 00:23:03,208
Choose your guests carefully.
406
00:23:03,291 --> 00:23:05,709
- I'll pretend
you're my sister.
407
00:23:05,792 --> 00:23:09,375
You know that group of women
that I've been involved with?
408
00:23:09,458 --> 00:23:12,709
Well, it'll be a great group
of women for you.
409
00:23:12,792 --> 00:23:14,125
Very supportive.
410
00:23:14,208 --> 00:23:16,667
She said, "Well, would I
actually make any money?"
411
00:23:16,750 --> 00:23:18,417
I said,
"I haven't been in a table
412
00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:20,375
that somebody
didn't make something."
413
00:23:20,458 --> 00:23:22,166
- If they seemed excited
414
00:23:22,250 --> 00:23:24,750
and didn't know
how to get the money,
415
00:23:24,834 --> 00:23:27,125
suggestions were made.
416
00:23:27,208 --> 00:23:28,959
Like, maybe you couldrefinance your house
417
00:23:29,041 --> 00:23:31,500
or their boator whatever they might have.
418
00:23:31,583 --> 00:23:34,333
Is there equity in something?
419
00:23:36,125 --> 00:23:39,083
- And then it made a leapabout three or four years ago
420
00:23:39,166 --> 00:23:43,458
to Avon, Farmington, Simsbury,Canton, West Hartford.
421
00:23:43,542 --> 00:23:46,250
That's when I started to say,"Oh, my gosh.
422
00:23:46,333 --> 00:23:48,667
Someone's goingto get in trouble here."
423
00:23:51,667 --> 00:23:54,875
- Your mom had a ton of people
that followed her,
424
00:23:54,959 --> 00:23:56,875
and she had a ton of AA people
that followed her.
425
00:23:56,959 --> 00:23:58,083
- Really?
426
00:23:58,166 --> 00:24:00,625
- That caused, I think,
problems elsewhere.
427
00:24:00,709 --> 00:24:02,083
- Within AA probably?
428
00:24:02,166 --> 00:24:04,291
- Yeah,I don't think that it was--
429
00:24:04,375 --> 00:24:06,709
I think it was frowned uponto bring that there.
430
00:24:07,875 --> 00:24:10,083
- Did you know about
the Gifting Tables
431
00:24:10,166 --> 00:24:12,041
after the murder?
432
00:24:12,125 --> 00:24:14,083
- I knew about them
before the murder.
433
00:24:14,166 --> 00:24:17,208
A number of people I knew
were involved.
434
00:24:17,291 --> 00:24:20,458
At least one person felt
435
00:24:20,542 --> 00:24:23,500
that your mom had
recruited people
436
00:24:23,583 --> 00:24:26,208
that she knew
through the program.
437
00:24:28,917 --> 00:24:31,625
- Your mom's group grew,like, so large.
438
00:24:31,709 --> 00:24:35,458
And then she became the Donna.
439
00:24:35,542 --> 00:24:36,750
- Oh.That makes sense.
440
00:24:36,834 --> 00:24:39,250
- Because she was the onethat they would all follow.
441
00:24:39,333 --> 00:24:40,291
Because they would split off,
442
00:24:40,375 --> 00:24:42,959
then she was Donnain that group.
443
00:24:43,041 --> 00:24:45,125
The network was a big thing'cause they wanted to grow.
444
00:24:45,208 --> 00:24:46,417
You know,'cause if it doesn't grow,
445
00:24:46,500 --> 00:24:48,500
it's not gonna work, right?
446
00:24:48,583 --> 00:24:51,333
- Did anybody realizehow big it was going to get?
447
00:24:51,417 --> 00:24:53,917
- No, I don't think so.
448
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,291
It was so funny because, like,
you could drive down the street
449
00:24:56,375 --> 00:24:58,625
on a Monday night
and you would be like,
450
00:24:58,709 --> 00:25:00,166
"Oh, look at all the cars
at that house.
451
00:25:00,250 --> 00:25:01,667
I bet you there's
a women's meeting there."
452
00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:03,000
Like, people knew!
- Wow.
453
00:25:03,083 --> 00:25:05,458
- You know, like,
that's how it was.
454
00:25:05,542 --> 00:25:07,875
But then it gotout of control.
455
00:25:07,959 --> 00:25:10,792
People were invitingeverybody.
456
00:25:10,875 --> 00:25:14,583
- It started to get scary
when the group got big.
457
00:25:14,667 --> 00:25:16,333
I mean, there would be--there was one night
458
00:25:16,417 --> 00:25:19,667
where we had, like,$90,000 in this house,
459
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:22,166
and it's a bad economy.
460
00:25:22,250 --> 00:25:25,333
And I said, "You know,
people could start
461
00:25:25,417 --> 00:25:26,834
getting hurt here."
462
00:25:26,917 --> 00:25:28,667
And so there was more of a need
463
00:25:28,750 --> 00:25:32,166
to be very cautious and quiet
about these parties
464
00:25:32,250 --> 00:25:34,125
and who was being invited.
465
00:25:34,208 --> 00:25:38,458
And so we didn't just
invite anybody to come.
466
00:25:39,959 --> 00:25:42,125
- They tried to target people
467
00:25:42,208 --> 00:25:44,375
who could afford the $5,000,
468
00:25:44,458 --> 00:25:46,375
but if you think about that,
469
00:25:46,458 --> 00:25:49,041
at some point,
the game has to--
470
00:25:49,125 --> 00:25:51,917
if you want the game to go on,
you have to go to people
471
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,083
that don't necessarily have
the means,
472
00:25:54,166 --> 00:25:56,000
and you're gonna end up
getting somebody
473
00:25:56,083 --> 00:25:57,917
who really needed that $5,000,
474
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,041
and that meant
a lot more to them
475
00:26:00,125 --> 00:26:03,875
than it means to someone
who's got it sitting around.
476
00:26:03,959 --> 00:26:07,500
- Well, I then sawan online alert
477
00:26:07,583 --> 00:26:10,041
about something calledthe Gifting Table,
478
00:26:10,125 --> 00:26:13,834
and that it wasa pyramid scheme,
479
00:26:13,917 --> 00:26:15,750
and there were those terms.
480
00:26:15,834 --> 00:26:19,375
Appetizer, soup and salad,entrée, dessert.
481
00:26:19,458 --> 00:26:21,208
And all the pieces fellin together
482
00:26:21,291 --> 00:26:22,542
in just a microsecond,
483
00:26:22,625 --> 00:26:24,542
and I thought, "Oh, boy."
484
00:26:24,625 --> 00:26:26,291
- The moneythat they are taking out,
485
00:26:26,375 --> 00:26:29,917
the $40,000,they're not paying taxes on,
486
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,375
and so manyof these conversations
487
00:26:32,458 --> 00:26:34,250
about this pyramid scheme
488
00:26:34,333 --> 00:26:36,917
taking place through e-mailsand over the phone.
489
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,125
- That's wire fraud.
490
00:26:39,208 --> 00:26:41,583
Anyone who wasat the dessert level
491
00:26:41,667 --> 00:26:43,458
in Central Connecticut,
492
00:26:43,542 --> 00:26:45,792
they know who they are.
493
00:26:50,875 --> 00:26:53,542
- Someone made a callto the attorney general.
494
00:26:53,625 --> 00:26:56,542
And then that's howit all started.
495
00:26:56,625 --> 00:26:58,583
- What was the announcementon the TV?
496
00:26:58,667 --> 00:27:02,083
- Oh, it was that there was
an illegal Ponzi scheme
497
00:27:02,166 --> 00:27:04,917
running on the shoreline
498
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,917
called the Gifting Tables.
499
00:27:07,041 --> 00:27:08,959
I was like, "Oh, my God.
500
00:27:09,041 --> 00:27:10,583
Like, illegal"--you know what I mean?
501
00:27:10,667 --> 00:27:13,250
Like, I was floored by it.
502
00:27:13,333 --> 00:27:16,500
I'm telling you, I think that
it just scared a lot of people.
503
00:27:26,041 --> 00:27:28,000
- Thank you so muchfor making time for us.
504
00:27:30,667 --> 00:27:32,625
I've been making
this documentary
505
00:27:32,709 --> 00:27:35,166
since my mother was murdered
ten years ago.
506
00:27:35,250 --> 00:27:36,792
I've been making it
for the past six years.
507
00:27:36,875 --> 00:27:39,625
- Yeah, I'm sorry
about your mom's death.
508
00:27:39,709 --> 00:27:40,792
- Thank you.
509
00:27:40,875 --> 00:27:43,291
- And I guess it still
hasn't really been--
510
00:27:43,375 --> 00:27:46,208
- It's still unsolved.
- Solved, yeah.
511
00:27:46,291 --> 00:27:50,166
- As you may know, she was
a part of the Gifting Tables.
512
00:27:50,250 --> 00:27:53,500
So what sparked
the investigation
513
00:27:53,583 --> 00:27:55,166
back in 2009?
514
00:27:55,250 --> 00:27:56,750
- There were complainants.
515
00:27:56,834 --> 00:27:58,500
There were enough complainants
516
00:27:58,583 --> 00:28:00,333
that it was
really having an impact.
517
00:28:00,417 --> 00:28:03,667
We felt strongly that we had
to act to protect others,
518
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:06,542
if only to warn them
that the likelihood
519
00:28:06,625 --> 00:28:09,625
of their actually
making money here
520
00:28:09,709 --> 00:28:11,875
was very, very remote.
521
00:28:11,959 --> 00:28:15,792
What struck me
about the Gifting Table was
522
00:28:15,875 --> 00:28:17,500
the abuse of trust.
523
00:28:17,583 --> 00:28:20,000
Women were enticed to join
524
00:28:20,083 --> 00:28:24,458
with this promise of sisterhood
and bonding,
525
00:28:24,542 --> 00:28:28,333
and some of them
actually exploited friends,
526
00:28:28,417 --> 00:28:29,667
perhaps unknowingly--
527
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:31,208
one who asked
528
00:28:31,291 --> 00:28:35,208
her fellow AA members to join,
529
00:28:35,291 --> 00:28:37,083
the urging
530
00:28:37,166 --> 00:28:40,208
that people take
a second mortgage,
531
00:28:40,291 --> 00:28:41,583
sell their car,
532
00:28:41,667 --> 00:28:43,333
ask relatives
533
00:28:43,417 --> 00:28:46,417
for early inheritance.
534
00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:49,709
Really striking people
where they lived.
535
00:28:49,792 --> 00:28:51,375
It had an emotional element
536
00:28:51,458 --> 00:28:54,750
that was unusual
for a pyramid scheme.
537
00:29:00,291 --> 00:29:02,417
- Did you see Jill's note?
- Yeah.
538
00:29:04,125 --> 00:29:05,291
- Oh, really?
539
00:29:10,208 --> 00:29:13,583
- This is November 14th, 2009.
540
00:29:13,667 --> 00:29:16,041
We win as one.
541
00:29:22,875 --> 00:29:24,000
I wonder who she is.
542
00:29:26,709 --> 00:29:28,583
"Really, it's not evena misdemeanor.
543
00:29:28,667 --> 00:29:30,291
"Be happy.All is good.
544
00:29:30,375 --> 00:29:32,083
Love you.Really, I do."
545
00:29:32,166 --> 00:29:33,083
Okay.
546
00:29:33,166 --> 00:29:34,250
This is in response
547
00:29:34,333 --> 00:29:36,041
to the attorney general
in Madison.
548
00:29:36,125 --> 00:29:37,917
"What happened is the result
of a situation
549
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,583
"that was put into motion
some months ago
550
00:29:39,667 --> 00:29:40,875
"by an anonymous woman
551
00:29:40,959 --> 00:29:42,417
"who went to the attorneygeneral's office
552
00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:44,583
"stating thatshe had been scammed,
553
00:29:44,667 --> 00:29:46,166
"lost money,et cetera, et cetera,
554
00:29:46,250 --> 00:29:49,375
"and showed that officemany of our sacred guidelines.
555
00:29:49,458 --> 00:29:52,417
Blumenthal's office now feelsthey must investigate."
556
00:29:57,667 --> 00:29:59,834
- Once that attorney general
call went in,
557
00:29:59,917 --> 00:30:02,458
I think everybody was like,
"See ya later."
558
00:30:02,542 --> 00:30:04,291
- Really?
- Oh, I think a lot--yeah.
559
00:30:04,375 --> 00:30:06,959
Yeah, I think a lot of people
were like, "No way."
560
00:30:07,041 --> 00:30:08,542
They were afraid,
'cause then at that point--
561
00:30:08,625 --> 00:30:09,792
- There was an investigation.
562
00:30:09,875 --> 00:30:11,625
- I think people were
questioning the legality of it.
563
00:30:11,709 --> 00:30:14,083
Because I don't think people
even thought about it before.
564
00:30:14,166 --> 00:30:15,625
What happened was,
565
00:30:15,709 --> 00:30:18,125
one of the womencomplained about Barb.
566
00:30:18,208 --> 00:30:19,792
- Ah.- That group is the one
567
00:30:19,875 --> 00:30:21,583
that calledthe attorney general.
568
00:30:21,667 --> 00:30:23,083
- My mom's?- Yeah.
569
00:30:23,166 --> 00:30:25,750
And then everyonewas mad at her.
570
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,792
- Your mother told me
571
00:30:31,875 --> 00:30:33,333
that she wished
she had never asked
572
00:30:33,417 --> 00:30:36,542
her friends from AA
to be a part of it,
573
00:30:36,625 --> 00:30:39,375
because it got out of hand.
574
00:30:39,458 --> 00:30:40,417
And there were some women
575
00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:41,917
who were maybe nothealthy enough
576
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,000
to do the tables.
577
00:30:44,083 --> 00:30:46,542
And then they got angry,
and then they started to--
578
00:30:46,625 --> 00:30:49,500
you know, it became
a real quagmire.
579
00:30:49,583 --> 00:30:53,000
And then the badmouthing
against your mom
580
00:30:53,083 --> 00:30:55,834
for "preying" on women
581
00:30:55,917 --> 00:30:58,333
in AA for this.
582
00:30:58,417 --> 00:31:01,917
They really made a stink.
583
00:31:04,458 --> 00:31:06,834
- So my mother was actually
one of the women
584
00:31:06,917 --> 00:31:10,208
who was inviting people
through Alcoholics Anonymous.
585
00:31:10,291 --> 00:31:12,667
Where is the line crossed
586
00:31:12,750 --> 00:31:16,000
between people who are victims
587
00:31:16,083 --> 00:31:19,583
and people who are,
I guess, criminals?
588
00:31:19,667 --> 00:31:22,417
- Well, let me talk in general.
589
00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:24,250
Pyramid schemes,
590
00:31:24,333 --> 00:31:27,000
in the end,they are doomed to collapse.
591
00:31:27,083 --> 00:31:29,709
Someone is bound to walk away,
592
00:31:29,792 --> 00:31:31,834
in effect, defrauded.
593
00:31:31,917 --> 00:31:34,542
The people who knowingly
594
00:31:34,625 --> 00:31:38,041
and deliberately
profit from the schemes
595
00:31:38,125 --> 00:31:41,750
are criminal in their intent.
596
00:31:41,834 --> 00:31:43,875
Others who are victims,
597
00:31:43,959 --> 00:31:46,083
in effect,are chewed up by them.
598
00:31:52,792 --> 00:31:55,417
- Okay, everybody's--come sit, honey.
599
00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:56,875
Or geta more comfortable chair
600
00:31:56,959 --> 00:31:58,083
and bring it over.
601
00:32:44,375 --> 00:32:45,750
- How do I share my screen?
602
00:32:48,291 --> 00:32:49,500
- Yeah, I got it.
603
00:32:51,375 --> 00:32:53,083
Do you see my beautiful face?
604
00:32:55,375 --> 00:32:57,125
- "Log into Facebook
605
00:32:57,208 --> 00:32:59,583
using the following codeas your password."
606
00:33:09,291 --> 00:33:11,083
- Holy shit, dude.
607
00:33:11,166 --> 00:33:12,792
This is insane.
608
00:33:12,875 --> 00:33:16,208
Feels really weird
logging in as my mom.
609
00:33:17,709 --> 00:33:20,000
I mean, just feellike a mindfuck.
610
00:33:25,083 --> 00:33:27,125
Oh, my God.
611
00:33:27,208 --> 00:33:31,500
There's unread messages
from before she died.
612
00:33:31,583 --> 00:33:33,166
So there's no way
613
00:33:33,250 --> 00:33:35,500
the police have seen this,
dude, right?
614
00:33:35,583 --> 00:33:37,500
- Correct.
615
00:33:37,583 --> 00:33:40,208
- I wonderwhat that message is.
616
00:33:40,291 --> 00:33:42,875
"Cathy gave me 20 for..."
617
00:33:42,959 --> 00:33:44,875
I wonder if that had to dowith the Tables.
618
00:33:44,959 --> 00:33:46,208
- Yeah.
619
00:33:46,291 --> 00:33:48,875
- Am I, like, tamperingwith evidence right now?
620
00:33:53,291 --> 00:33:55,500
Did she ever express
any safety concerns?
621
00:33:55,583 --> 00:33:56,709
- Yes, she did.
622
00:33:56,792 --> 00:33:59,542
She said that...
623
00:33:59,625 --> 00:34:03,667
she feltshe was being watched...
624
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:06,250
a lot, I wanna say,
625
00:34:06,333 --> 00:34:08,583
those last couple months.
626
00:34:08,667 --> 00:34:11,083
And your mom wasin the receiving position
627
00:34:11,166 --> 00:34:12,417
when she was murdered.
628
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:14,500
So she was a dessert.
- Oh, wow, I didn't know that.
629
00:34:14,583 --> 00:34:15,959
- Yep.
630
00:34:17,834 --> 00:34:21,333
- Do you ever wonder,like, who could've done it?
631
00:34:23,083 --> 00:34:24,250
- Yeah.
632
00:34:52,792 --> 00:34:55,417
- So I used to do repairs,all that type of stuff.
633
00:34:55,500 --> 00:34:57,709
Last thing I did wasput the mailbox up for her
634
00:34:57,792 --> 00:35:00,917
the day beforeall this happened.
635
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,125
Somebody had broke it off
and took it.
636
00:35:17,792 --> 00:35:19,250
- What is this?
637
00:35:19,333 --> 00:35:21,083
February 14th.
638
00:35:21,166 --> 00:35:24,041
"Jill and I are split.
639
00:35:24,125 --> 00:35:25,792
"She made it formal,
640
00:35:25,875 --> 00:35:27,291
"and I just wantedto keep it friendly,
641
00:35:27,375 --> 00:35:29,667
"and so far, it doesn't appearshe does.
642
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:31,750
"Her other problem...
643
00:35:31,834 --> 00:35:35,542
"her other problem
and Shelley and I
644
00:35:35,625 --> 00:35:37,166
"want to continue
to travel together,
645
00:35:37,250 --> 00:35:39,166
and Auntie isn't happy
with that."
646
00:35:42,542 --> 00:35:44,750
"Jill and I are split."
647
00:35:56,709 --> 00:35:59,333
I went through
my mom's Facebook
648
00:35:59,417 --> 00:36:00,625
Who is--or what is that?
649
00:36:00,709 --> 00:36:01,792
- "She made it formal,
650
00:36:01,875 --> 00:36:03,125
"and I just wanted
to keep it friendly,
651
00:36:03,208 --> 00:36:07,250
and so far,
it doesn't appear she does."
652
00:36:07,333 --> 00:36:10,000
Oh, yeah.
653
00:36:10,083 --> 00:36:11,834
There was this big e-mail
that went out
654
00:36:11,917 --> 00:36:14,333
that Barb's group is the group
of Madison.
655
00:36:14,417 --> 00:36:16,750
Jill, like, cut her off.
656
00:36:16,834 --> 00:36:20,333
Like, told her--like,sent her on her own, kind of.
657
00:36:20,417 --> 00:36:22,792
- Oh.- Jill didn't tell you that?
658
00:36:22,875 --> 00:36:26,000
- So why did Jill wanna split?
659
00:36:26,083 --> 00:36:29,458
- Your mom and Conway decided
660
00:36:29,542 --> 00:36:33,291
they wanted to invite Tracy,
my aunt,
661
00:36:33,375 --> 00:36:34,834
Jill's other sister.
662
00:36:34,917 --> 00:36:35,834
- Mm-hmm.
663
00:36:35,917 --> 00:36:37,041
- She could never invitea woman.
664
00:36:37,125 --> 00:36:38,792
And that's what they weregetting mad at.
665
00:36:38,875 --> 00:36:41,709
They felt that they werejust inviting anybody on
666
00:36:41,792 --> 00:36:43,041
just to gift.
667
00:36:43,125 --> 00:36:46,667
So Jill's whole holy side wasgetting mad at Barb's side,
668
00:36:46,750 --> 00:36:48,834
who was actually just tryingto get women
669
00:36:48,917 --> 00:36:50,667
and bring 'em in and whatever.
670
00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:51,709
- Yeah.
671
00:36:51,792 --> 00:36:53,875
- And so it turnedinto a big debacle.
672
00:36:53,959 --> 00:36:56,792
Jill just then split.
- Wow.
673
00:36:57,959 --> 00:37:00,792
What was your relationship
with Jill like?
674
00:37:07,458 --> 00:37:10,125
- Who invited you
to the Tables?
675
00:37:31,792 --> 00:37:34,417
- Tracy and I don't get along.Never have.
676
00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:37,792
I didn't think my sister was
appropriate for the Tables.
677
00:37:37,875 --> 00:37:42,250
They had my sister
join their table,
678
00:37:42,333 --> 00:37:43,792
and my mother was sort of
679
00:37:43,875 --> 00:37:46,291
just trying
to push my sister along.
680
00:37:46,375 --> 00:37:49,542
Yeah, I said,
"Mom, who does she know
681
00:37:49,625 --> 00:37:50,750
that would be appropriate?"
682
00:37:50,834 --> 00:37:51,959
She said, "Oh, nobody.
683
00:37:52,041 --> 00:37:53,125
Her friends don't have
any money."
684
00:37:53,208 --> 00:37:57,750
And I said, "And so,
she's gonna be successful how?
685
00:37:57,834 --> 00:37:59,917
"She doesn't have a job,
686
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,458
"she's depressed,
687
00:38:01,542 --> 00:38:03,250
"and she doesn't have
any friends with any money,
688
00:38:03,333 --> 00:38:05,458
so how is she gonna be--
how's she gonna do this?"
689
00:38:05,542 --> 00:38:07,250
You can't invite anybody.
690
00:38:07,333 --> 00:38:10,291
It has to be somebody who has
a chance at being successful.
691
00:38:10,375 --> 00:38:13,125
We're not just trying
to get money for people.
692
00:38:13,208 --> 00:38:16,792
But as soon as they had
their way,
693
00:38:16,875 --> 00:38:18,083
they could do anything.
694
00:38:18,166 --> 00:38:20,667
They did what they wanted to do
to get the money.
695
00:38:24,417 --> 00:38:28,667
- Jill was pissed.
Sent out a fucking e-mail.
696
00:38:28,750 --> 00:38:30,625
Said, "Fuck it."
697
00:38:30,709 --> 00:38:35,041
And it panicked
a lot of the girls who were...
698
00:38:35,125 --> 00:38:37,125
Jill's Tables
or Barb's Tables or--
699
00:38:37,208 --> 00:38:39,458
everybody was kind of blended,
700
00:38:39,542 --> 00:38:41,792
and so to split was weird,
701
00:38:41,875 --> 00:38:46,250
and it caused a lot of fear
and confusion.
702
00:38:48,083 --> 00:38:50,500
- Did my mom and Jillever, like,
703
00:38:50,583 --> 00:38:52,291
talk after the split, or--
704
00:38:52,375 --> 00:38:54,667
- No, I don't think they did.
705
00:38:54,750 --> 00:38:59,166
So that e-mail was,
I think, in February.
706
00:38:59,250 --> 00:39:00,208
- Oh.
707
00:39:00,291 --> 00:39:02,542
- And Mom was in--
708
00:39:02,625 --> 00:39:04,041
she was murdered in March.
709
00:39:04,125 --> 00:39:05,792
- Right.
- Right. So March 3rd?
710
00:39:05,875 --> 00:39:07,000
- Mm-hmm.
- Right?
711
00:39:07,083 --> 00:39:08,875
So yeah, there wasn't
a lot of time
712
00:39:08,959 --> 00:39:11,625
in between the e-mail and that.
713
00:39:14,166 --> 00:39:15,792
- Where did my mom keepher money?
714
00:39:15,875 --> 00:39:18,041
- In the safe in the house.
715
00:39:18,125 --> 00:39:20,792
- How much moneydo you think was in the safe?
716
00:39:20,875 --> 00:39:23,500
- I will say anywherefrom 5,000 to 20,000.
717
00:39:23,583 --> 00:39:25,375
- Could it have been more?
718
00:39:25,458 --> 00:39:27,041
- Sure.
719
00:39:27,125 --> 00:39:29,667
- Did she ever move the money?
720
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:32,792
- I do remember your momdigging a hole.
721
00:39:32,875 --> 00:39:35,667
She said she put it in there.
722
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:38,709
But at some point,
she got paranoid that
723
00:39:38,792 --> 00:39:43,000
that money was gonna
be taken from her.
724
00:39:43,083 --> 00:39:45,667
- Why was she so paranoid?
725
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:48,542
Did something happen?
726
00:39:48,625 --> 00:39:53,250
- She...she was with
727
00:39:53,333 --> 00:39:54,750
someone from AA,
728
00:39:54,834 --> 00:39:57,667
and I had heardthat they saw, like,
729
00:39:57,750 --> 00:40:00,500
a guy wearing a ski maskwalk through the yard,
730
00:40:00,583 --> 00:40:02,792
but they didn't callthe police.
731
00:40:07,166 --> 00:40:09,083
- I heard that
732
00:40:09,166 --> 00:40:12,875
you and my mom witnessed
a man wearing a ski mask
733
00:40:12,959 --> 00:40:16,041
walk through our yard
on 44 Middle Beach?
734
00:40:16,125 --> 00:40:17,834
- Right.
735
00:40:17,917 --> 00:40:20,083
It was the day
before she was murdered.
736
00:40:20,166 --> 00:40:22,917
- The day before
she was killed?
737
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,333
- Yes.
738
00:40:24,417 --> 00:40:27,041
- That's terrifying.
739
00:40:27,125 --> 00:40:29,000
- We were having a luncheon.
740
00:40:29,083 --> 00:40:30,875
Out of my left field vision,
741
00:40:30,959 --> 00:40:34,083
I saw a gentlemenin a black ski mask
742
00:40:34,166 --> 00:40:37,375
walk from the leftof the windows in the front
743
00:40:37,458 --> 00:40:39,417
going towards East Wharf Road.
744
00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:41,250
- Down the driveway or--- Yes.
745
00:40:41,333 --> 00:40:43,792
- And he was look--he looked into the house?
746
00:40:43,875 --> 00:40:45,834
- Right.- Oh, my God.
747
00:40:47,667 --> 00:40:49,917
- You know, Madison,
I gotta tell you,
748
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,583
you know,
when that fight happened
749
00:40:51,667 --> 00:40:54,250
between Jill and Barb,
750
00:40:54,333 --> 00:40:58,875
it really tore us apart.
751
00:40:58,959 --> 00:41:03,750
- Did Aunt Jill and my mom...
752
00:41:03,834 --> 00:41:06,750
- They never made up
prior to that.
753
00:41:06,834 --> 00:41:08,667
Never.
754
00:41:13,375 --> 00:41:15,458
- Did you have anything to do
with the murder?
755
00:41:15,542 --> 00:41:17,250
No.
756
00:41:17,333 --> 00:41:20,834
- I have to ask everyone.
- That's okay.
757
00:41:20,917 --> 00:41:22,583
No.
No.
758
00:41:22,667 --> 00:41:24,417
That was--it would've been
impossible anyway,
759
00:41:24,500 --> 00:41:26,333
but no.
760
00:41:26,417 --> 00:41:28,792
Mm-mm.
No.
761
00:41:28,875 --> 00:41:32,750
Because we were starting
a road trip on the third
762
00:41:32,834 --> 00:41:34,792
with your grandmother.
763
00:41:34,875 --> 00:41:38,792
And we decided we were
gonna get up really early
764
00:41:38,875 --> 00:41:41,792
to avoid hitting any traffic,
and by 4:00,
765
00:41:41,875 --> 00:41:43,834
we were in the car
and heading down there.
766
00:41:43,917 --> 00:41:45,667
4:00 in the morning.
767
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:49,208
So we got to your grandmother
768
00:41:49,291 --> 00:41:51,458
by 10:00 in the morning.
769
00:41:51,542 --> 00:41:54,000
- Did the police
interrogate you?
770
00:41:54,083 --> 00:41:57,375
- The police interrogated me
as soon as possible.
771
00:41:57,458 --> 00:42:00,166
"And where were you?"
"Well, I was in a car.
772
00:42:00,250 --> 00:42:03,333
You can check my Speedpass
if you want," you know?
773
00:42:03,417 --> 00:42:06,417
But yeah, I think I was
their first major suspect
774
00:42:06,500 --> 00:42:08,667
because of this
Gifting Table thing
775
00:42:08,750 --> 00:42:11,834
and there's--being this
little rift between us
776
00:42:11,917 --> 00:42:14,667
at that moment in time.
777
00:42:14,750 --> 00:42:16,166
But it was very obvious
778
00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:18,750
that I couldn't possibly
be there.
779
00:42:21,125 --> 00:42:23,500
- Okay.
780
00:42:23,583 --> 00:42:25,417
I'm gonna take a break.
781
00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:27,125
- All right.
782
00:42:30,458 --> 00:42:33,208
I can't believe you're asking
all these questions.
783
00:42:33,291 --> 00:42:35,083
Oh, Maddy.
784
00:42:35,166 --> 00:42:38,208
Quite the quest here, baby.
785
00:42:38,291 --> 00:42:39,792
Don't know how you do it.
786
00:42:46,333 --> 00:42:47,875
- Maddy!
787
00:42:47,959 --> 00:42:50,208
Madison.
788
00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:55,208
Hi.
789
00:42:56,959 --> 00:42:58,083
Whoo!
790
00:42:58,166 --> 00:42:59,583
- Barbara Hamburg--- Was found dead on her lawn--
791
00:42:59,667 --> 00:43:01,333
- Dead at the scene.
792
00:43:07,792 --> 00:43:08,917
- Hi.
793
00:43:11,166 --> 00:43:13,166
- No.
Why would I be up there?
794
00:43:15,834 --> 00:43:17,834
- I didn't understand.
795
00:43:19,834 --> 00:43:21,667
Give me a hug.
796
00:43:39,375 --> 00:43:41,125
- Yeah.
797
00:43:43,667 --> 00:43:45,750
When everything happened,
798
00:43:45,834 --> 00:43:49,333
I was, like,afraid of losing her.
799
00:43:52,041 --> 00:43:55,375
I would practicevisualizing her face.
800
00:43:57,542 --> 00:43:59,166
And I'd call her cell phone
801
00:43:59,250 --> 00:44:01,375
just so I could hearher voice.
802
00:44:01,458 --> 00:44:04,125
Snowflakes.
- Snowflakes!
803
00:44:07,291 --> 00:44:09,959
Look at those big blue eyes.
804
00:44:10,041 --> 00:44:13,792
- Just desperate attemptsof not losing someone.
805
00:44:13,875 --> 00:44:16,458
- What a beautiful boy.
806
00:44:16,542 --> 00:44:19,166
What a beautiful boy.
807
00:44:21,375 --> 00:44:24,959
- Anyone I could turn to as,like, someone to lean on
808
00:44:25,041 --> 00:44:28,834
or someoneto, like, help me through,
809
00:44:28,917 --> 00:44:31,542
the person I'm turning tocould've orchestrated
810
00:44:31,625 --> 00:44:33,834
or done this.
811
00:44:33,917 --> 00:44:35,125
Could've ruined my life.
812
00:44:39,250 --> 00:44:42,458
Sometimes, you just feelkind of alone.
813
00:44:47,125 --> 00:44:48,875
- Bye-bye.
814
00:44:50,417 --> 00:44:52,166
Mwah.
815
00:44:52,250 --> 00:44:53,834
I got a kiss.
816
00:45:02,291 --> 00:45:03,792
- It was about 8:30in the morning.
817
00:45:03,875 --> 00:45:06,667
I was still in my pajamasand bathrobe.
818
00:45:11,208 --> 00:45:12,750
- It was in May,
819
00:45:12,834 --> 00:45:15,458
and I was sleeping in bed.
820
00:45:15,542 --> 00:45:19,667
My husband was ona business trip.
821
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:22,000
- My nephewlooks out the window
822
00:45:22,083 --> 00:45:24,500
and he seesall these federal agents
823
00:45:24,583 --> 00:45:28,250
coming to the housewith their flak jackets.
824
00:45:28,333 --> 00:45:31,250
And they went,
"Is Jill Platt in the house?"
825
00:45:31,333 --> 00:45:33,208
- He was banging at the door,
826
00:45:33,291 --> 00:45:36,417
and I see all these menout there
827
00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:37,750
in uniforms or something.
828
00:45:37,834 --> 00:45:38,750
I thought, "Oh, my God,
829
00:45:38,834 --> 00:45:40,750
there must be a fire
or something."
830
00:45:40,834 --> 00:45:43,041
And I went downstairsand I opened the door
831
00:45:43,125 --> 00:45:44,709
and I said, "May I help you?"
832
00:45:44,792 --> 00:45:46,875
He said, "Are you Donna Bello?"
and I said, "Yes."
833
00:45:46,959 --> 00:45:49,917
And then a group of mencame in
834
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,041
with guns and--
835
00:45:52,125 --> 00:45:55,250
and bulletproof vests on
836
00:45:55,333 --> 00:45:59,709
and they put handcuffs on me.
837
00:45:59,792 --> 00:46:01,208
I was in shock.
838
00:46:01,291 --> 00:46:04,583
- I said, "Don't you have any
real crime to fight?"
839
00:46:04,667 --> 00:46:07,291
"This is a real cri"--
I mean, I could just see
840
00:46:07,375 --> 00:46:10,041
I, like, stabbed him
in his eyeball
841
00:46:10,125 --> 00:46:11,125
when I said that.
842
00:46:11,208 --> 00:46:12,917
"This is a real crime."
843
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,041
- So I thought,
"This is so messed up."
844
00:46:16,125 --> 00:46:18,709
You know?
"This is crazy.
845
00:46:18,792 --> 00:46:20,250
"Like, what is going on?
846
00:46:20,333 --> 00:46:22,750
This is
a women's gifting group."
847
00:46:22,834 --> 00:46:24,917
- Bunch of women
having dinner parties,
848
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,583
giving each other money.
849
00:46:26,667 --> 00:46:30,417
I can think of worse things.
850
00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:32,500
- Do you thinkif my mom was alive,
851
00:46:32,583 --> 00:46:36,417
she would've been takento trial?
852
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:38,583
- If your motherwas alive today,
853
00:46:38,667 --> 00:46:41,291
I don't know that any of us
would've been taken to trial.
854
00:46:41,375 --> 00:46:43,458
The thing is,when your mother was murdered,
855
00:46:43,542 --> 00:46:44,834
they confiscated her computer,
856
00:46:44,917 --> 00:46:46,959
and when they confiscatedher computer,
857
00:46:47,041 --> 00:46:50,417
they saw this business
about the Tables.
858
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:52,458
So then they turnedall of this information over
859
00:46:52,542 --> 00:46:54,041
to the IRS.
860
00:46:55,875 --> 00:46:58,792
- Do you believe thatthe murder was a catalyst
861
00:46:58,875 --> 00:47:00,166
for the investigation?
862
00:47:00,250 --> 00:47:02,542
- Yeah.
Yeah.
863
00:47:09,041 --> 00:47:12,166
- Had you heard about
my mother's murder
864
00:47:12,250 --> 00:47:14,917
before starting
the investigation?
865
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,458
- So--no.
866
00:47:16,542 --> 00:47:19,458
Back in around March 2010,
867
00:47:19,542 --> 00:47:22,125
there was a detailed article
868
00:47:22,208 --> 00:47:24,333
published by
the "New Haven Register"
869
00:47:24,417 --> 00:47:26,166
about the women'sgifting tables
870
00:47:26,250 --> 00:47:28,208
that were operating onthe shoreline of Connecticut,
871
00:47:28,291 --> 00:47:31,709
and that articlereferenced this murder.
872
00:47:31,792 --> 00:47:34,208
- Do you think
if my mother was alive,
873
00:47:34,291 --> 00:47:37,500
she would've been
a part of the investigation?
874
00:47:37,583 --> 00:47:39,417
- I can't say.
875
00:47:39,500 --> 00:47:42,000
- She broke the law, I think--
I think,
876
00:47:42,083 --> 00:47:44,792
by being a part
of these gifting tables
877
00:47:44,875 --> 00:47:48,500
and possibly victimized women,
maybe even unknowingly.
878
00:47:48,583 --> 00:47:51,250
If the women thought
what they were doing was right,
879
00:47:51,333 --> 00:47:54,667
does that change
what they were doing?
880
00:47:54,750 --> 00:47:57,000
- Well, the evidence
ultimately dictated,
881
00:47:57,083 --> 00:48:00,917
you know, charges being filed
882
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,875
based on their statements,
883
00:48:03,959 --> 00:48:05,709
their e-mails,
884
00:48:05,792 --> 00:48:07,208
you know, everythingthat we'd gathered
885
00:48:07,291 --> 00:48:08,709
in the investigation.
886
00:48:08,792 --> 00:48:10,500
- Two Guilford women convictedof running
887
00:48:10,583 --> 00:48:12,208
a Gifting Table pyramid scheme
888
00:48:12,291 --> 00:48:13,583
were sentenced today.
889
00:48:13,667 --> 00:48:15,709
Jill Platt will spend4 1/2 years in prison.
890
00:48:15,792 --> 00:48:19,542
Donna Bello will spendsix years behind bars.
891
00:48:19,625 --> 00:48:22,542
- I couldn't figure out
892
00:48:22,625 --> 00:48:23,709
how many years that was,
893
00:48:23,792 --> 00:48:26,208
because I couldn't even
get to that point
894
00:48:26,291 --> 00:48:27,542
where I was thinking years.
895
00:48:27,625 --> 00:48:29,250
I just...
896
00:48:31,792 --> 00:48:33,375
And then I'm blank.
Then I went blank.
897
00:48:33,458 --> 00:48:36,792
And I lost a lot of memory
after that.
898
00:48:36,875 --> 00:48:38,750
- In tears, Bello and Plattboth apologized
899
00:48:38,834 --> 00:48:40,041
in court today.
900
00:48:40,125 --> 00:48:42,250
The two were found guiltyin February of wire fraud,
901
00:48:42,333 --> 00:48:43,875
filing false tax returns,
902
00:48:43,959 --> 00:48:47,417
and conspiringto defraud the IRS.
903
00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:50,625
- Well, I've lost my family,
my own family,
904
00:48:50,709 --> 00:48:53,667
because I'm such a shame
to them.
905
00:48:56,333 --> 00:48:58,291
That's because
they're ignorant.
906
00:48:58,375 --> 00:49:00,875
They're all ignorant.
907
00:49:25,375 --> 00:49:28,709
- What's up?
- Hey, man.
908
00:49:28,792 --> 00:49:29,959
- Hi, Kim.
- Hi.
909
00:49:30,041 --> 00:49:32,625
How are you?
- How's it going?
910
00:49:32,709 --> 00:49:34,792
How's it going?
- Good. How's it going for you?
911
00:49:34,875 --> 00:49:37,208
- Good.
- Yeah?
912
00:49:37,291 --> 00:49:39,083
Yes?
913
00:49:39,166 --> 00:49:41,333
What? What? What?
- Oh.
914
00:49:41,417 --> 00:49:42,792
- How have you been?
915
00:49:42,875 --> 00:49:45,917
- Well, I got married.
916
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,291
That was, what, two years ago?
917
00:49:49,375 --> 00:49:50,959
Mom's out of jail.
918
00:49:51,041 --> 00:49:53,917
Mom went to jail,and now she's out of jail.
919
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,041
Right now, everything's good.Everybody's healthy.
920
00:50:01,709 --> 00:50:05,458
- Banksy, my spoiled cat.
921
00:50:08,458 --> 00:50:10,291
- You got out in November?
922
00:50:10,375 --> 00:50:12,166
- I came back in November.
923
00:50:12,250 --> 00:50:13,375
- Okay.
- I got out last May.
924
00:50:13,458 --> 00:50:14,875
May 15th.
925
00:50:14,959 --> 00:50:17,208
- So it's been over a year?
926
00:50:17,291 --> 00:50:18,500
- Just.
927
00:50:18,583 --> 00:50:20,458
Mm.
- Wow.
928
00:50:20,542 --> 00:50:23,458
- It's just a big adjustment,you know?
929
00:50:23,542 --> 00:50:27,041
My husband diedtwo months before the trial.
930
00:50:27,125 --> 00:50:29,667
The last year of his life,he was not well
931
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:33,500
and not taking his medicationfor his heart.
932
00:50:37,959 --> 00:50:38,875
- Whoo!
933
00:50:38,959 --> 00:50:41,333
- I do believethat your uncle died
934
00:50:41,417 --> 00:50:43,667
because he wasso stressed out.
935
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:46,709
- Hello, beautiful.
- How are you?
936
00:50:46,792 --> 00:50:48,083
- We were married 43 years.
937
00:50:48,166 --> 00:50:49,750
So now, all of a sudden,
938
00:50:49,834 --> 00:50:51,875
I am on my own,
939
00:50:51,959 --> 00:50:53,709
have to figure it out,
but you know what?
940
00:50:53,792 --> 00:50:57,875
I no longer--
I no longer worry about it.
941
00:50:57,959 --> 00:50:59,917
It's like, que será, será.
942
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,875
What will be will be.
943
00:51:01,959 --> 00:51:04,834
What do you think, Banks?
944
00:51:04,917 --> 00:51:07,333
What do you think?
945
00:51:07,417 --> 00:51:12,250
- What's really impactful here
are the human stories
946
00:51:12,333 --> 00:51:15,375
of greed,
947
00:51:15,458 --> 00:51:18,583
loss, remorse,
948
00:51:18,667 --> 00:51:23,041
and destruction
of personal lives
949
00:51:23,125 --> 00:51:25,083
and friendships
and relationships.
950
00:51:25,166 --> 00:51:28,750
- So...
951
00:51:28,834 --> 00:51:30,959
I'm trying to wrestlewith the idea
952
00:51:31,041 --> 00:51:35,041
of whether or not my motherwas a criminal, I guess.
953
00:51:35,125 --> 00:51:38,625
I don't know
that she knowingly...
954
00:51:38,709 --> 00:51:40,875
she knew that the Tables had
955
00:51:40,959 --> 00:51:43,583
the outcome
that they would have,
956
00:51:43,667 --> 00:51:46,583
but, you know,
she made money off of--
957
00:51:46,667 --> 00:51:47,750
- I wish I could help you...
958
00:51:47,834 --> 00:51:49,250
- Sure.
- Answer that question.
959
00:51:49,333 --> 00:51:50,709
You know, I would also say,
960
00:51:50,792 --> 00:51:53,625
just on a very personal level,
to you,
961
00:51:53,709 --> 00:51:56,959
there are...
962
00:51:57,041 --> 00:52:01,083
gradations of culpability
when people break the law,
963
00:52:01,166 --> 00:52:02,834
so it's complicated.
964
00:52:02,917 --> 00:52:04,542
Life is complicated.
965
00:52:04,625 --> 00:52:06,458
I learned as a prosecutor,
966
00:52:06,542 --> 00:52:10,750
both as a U.S. attorney
and as state attorney general,
967
00:52:10,834 --> 00:52:14,083
condemnation is easy,
968
00:52:14,166 --> 00:52:17,291
but breaking the law involves
969
00:52:17,375 --> 00:52:22,000
different degrees
of moral responsibility.
970
00:52:32,083 --> 00:52:33,333
- Lucy, Lucy.
971
00:52:33,417 --> 00:52:35,583
Hey, everybody.
- Hey, how's it going, Don?
972
00:52:35,667 --> 00:52:37,166
Nice to meet you.- Finally.
973
00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:38,750
Yeah, it's goodto meet you finally, yes.
974
00:52:40,834 --> 00:52:44,250
Yeah, what time was the callto 911?
975
00:52:44,333 --> 00:52:47,625
- Between 11:30 and 12:00,
maybe even 12:30.
976
00:52:47,709 --> 00:52:49,458
- A rough estimate right now
would be,
977
00:52:49,542 --> 00:52:52,250
we're looking at about
a two-hour window.
978
00:52:52,333 --> 00:52:54,625
We don't know
if they were there waiting
979
00:52:54,709 --> 00:52:57,667
or she was expecting someone
to come over.
980
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:59,667
- So here's the house.
- Mm-hmm.
981
00:52:59,750 --> 00:53:01,667
- It's covered with trees.
982
00:53:01,750 --> 00:53:03,000
There's a long driveway
983
00:53:03,083 --> 00:53:05,041
with a neighbor here
and a neighbor here.
984
00:53:05,125 --> 00:53:07,291
There's a golf course
right here.
985
00:53:11,500 --> 00:53:13,000
- So this is the drive
right here, right?
986
00:53:13,083 --> 00:53:14,500
- The--yeah, this second one.
987
00:53:14,583 --> 00:53:16,542
- 34, here?
Okay.
988
00:53:18,709 --> 00:53:21,834
- You can't see it at all
from the street.
989
00:53:21,917 --> 00:53:24,375
- No.
990
00:53:24,458 --> 00:53:25,667
- I don't even--
991
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:27,542
- You had to know
that the house was there.
992
00:53:27,625 --> 00:53:28,834
- Yeah.
993
00:53:28,917 --> 00:53:32,000
- That would be
a high-risk point of entry.
994
00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:40,208
- Oh, there--
that's the house right there?
995
00:53:40,291 --> 00:53:42,375
- Yeah.
- Okay.
996
00:53:42,458 --> 00:53:43,542
Wow.
997
00:53:43,625 --> 00:53:45,542
- It is wide open
from this angle.
998
00:53:45,625 --> 00:53:47,041
- It is.
999
00:53:48,792 --> 00:53:50,208
The focus should be, you know,
1000
00:53:50,291 --> 00:53:52,709
was there a third dimensionto this?
1001
00:53:52,792 --> 00:53:54,709
Was there something elsegoing on
1002
00:53:54,792 --> 00:53:56,250
in your mom's life
1003
00:53:56,333 --> 00:53:59,166
that nobody knowsor she kept a secret?
1004
00:53:59,250 --> 00:54:01,458
Was there somethingthat we're missing?
1005
00:54:14,709 --> 00:54:16,166
- Who was that?
1006
00:54:30,125 --> 00:54:31,041
- Yeah.
1007
00:54:31,125 --> 00:54:33,959
What is this document?
1008
00:54:34,041 --> 00:54:38,333
- It's an excerpt of testimony
to the grand jury.
1009
00:54:38,417 --> 00:54:39,917
- So this is something
that's sealed
1010
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,375
that we couldn't get before?
1011
00:54:41,458 --> 00:54:42,458
- Yeah.
1012
00:54:42,542 --> 00:54:44,542
I have no idea
how Conway has this.
1013
00:54:44,625 --> 00:54:47,125
Because all testimonies
in the grand jury
1014
00:54:47,208 --> 00:54:48,583
are supposed to be sealed.
1015
00:54:53,834 --> 00:54:55,917
- "There were some
intimidating measures
1016
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,792
"taken in the past few months.
1017
00:54:57,875 --> 00:55:00,792
"Members of the gifting tableshave come to the meetings
1018
00:55:00,875 --> 00:55:04,125
"and presented themselvesin intimidating ways.
1019
00:55:04,208 --> 00:55:06,834
"Conway Beach has cometo meetings several times
1020
00:55:06,917 --> 00:55:09,291
"and shared in a meetingthat there shouldn't be
1021
00:55:09,375 --> 00:55:11,125
"gossip, criticism,and judgment,
1022
00:55:11,208 --> 00:55:12,291
"and discussion about things
1023
00:55:12,375 --> 00:55:14,834
that people don't knowanything about."
1024
00:55:14,917 --> 00:55:16,792
"Within the last week
and a half,
1025
00:55:16,875 --> 00:55:19,041
was Ms. Beach near
your residence?"
1026
00:55:19,125 --> 00:55:20,625
"Yes, sir."
1027
00:55:20,709 --> 00:55:22,291
"Explain to the members
1028
00:55:22,375 --> 00:55:23,917
of the Grand Jurywhat happened there."
1029
00:55:35,208 --> 00:55:36,458
"As you sit here today,
1030
00:55:36,542 --> 00:55:38,542
are you afraid
of Conway Beach?"
1031
00:55:38,625 --> 00:55:40,500
"Yes, sir."
1032
00:55:40,583 --> 00:55:42,375
"Why is that?"
1033
00:55:48,417 --> 00:55:51,083
Wow.
1034
00:56:06,583 --> 00:56:08,417
- As you're doingthis documentary,
1035
00:56:08,500 --> 00:56:10,125
I worry about you the most,
1036
00:56:10,208 --> 00:56:13,667
because you're finding outso many things
1037
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:16,000
that I triedto protect you from.
1038
00:56:16,083 --> 00:56:18,166
And I just worry.
1039
00:56:18,250 --> 00:56:22,458
I hope you can processall of this...
1040
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,875
And still love me.
1041
00:56:27,959 --> 00:56:31,083
As I will always love you.
1042
00:56:31,166 --> 00:56:32,750
- Watch out for the--- Happy Thanksgiving.
1043
00:56:32,834 --> 00:56:34,375
Hazards are behind you.
1044
00:56:36,792 --> 00:56:38,542
- Some people can getto a point,
1045
00:56:38,625 --> 00:56:40,250
I don't care who it is,
1046
00:56:40,333 --> 00:56:42,333
where they can snap.
1047
00:56:42,417 --> 00:56:44,250
- Did you snap?
1048
00:56:44,333 --> 00:56:46,458
- I snapped.
1049
00:57:38,542 --> 00:57:40,709
- Flowers?You gonna get the flowers?
1050
00:57:40,792 --> 00:57:42,083
Okay.
1051
00:57:42,166 --> 00:57:44,625
Get the flowers.
1052
00:57:44,709 --> 00:57:46,083
Aww.
1053
00:57:46,166 --> 00:57:47,917
Oh.
1054
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,750
Pretty flowers.
1055
00:58:06,875 --> 00:58:08,625
Oh.
1056
00:58:08,709 --> 00:58:11,375
Pretty flowers.
1057
00:58:29,917 --> 00:58:31,542
I'm so sorry.
1058
00:58:32,333 --> 00:58:33,917
Why are you sorry?
1059
00:58:37,166 --> 00:58:39,208
I haven't been back
here in six years.
1060
00:58:39,917 --> 00:58:41,625
How has it effected our family?
1061
00:58:41,709 --> 00:58:43,500
I definitely do feellike there's a rift
1062
00:58:43,583 --> 00:58:44,709
because of the murder.
1063
00:58:44,959 --> 00:58:49,250
When your world is ripped apart
it can do things to you.
1064
00:58:49,667 --> 00:58:53,125
If the person isstill alive who did this to mom,
1065
00:58:53,208 --> 00:58:54,333
would you wanna say anything?
1066
00:58:54,417 --> 00:58:56,583
No. Do you wanna say anything
to them?
1067
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:59,000
I'm coming for you.
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