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Where are your toes?

There's your toes?

Where are your fingers?

Hi, Daddy. That's right.

Hi, everybody.

We start with breaking news in Madison tonight,

where a body has been found in a waterfront home there.

Police tonight are treating it as a homicide.

News Channel 8 first on the scene

at Middle Beach Road.

News Channel 8's Sara Welch joins us

live in Madison tonight, and what do you know, Sara?

Madison police and state police have been

out at this home at 44 Middle Beach Road

since about 11:30 this morning.

Let's take a look.

You can see the road is blocked off by police.

They are treating this case as a homicide.

It's hard to see 44 Middle Beach Road

from this vantage point.

Here's what we do know:

A woman in her late 40s was found injured in her yard.

She was pronounced dead at the scene.

Police are not releasing the victim's name,

but News Channel 8 has learned

that a woman named Barbara Hamburg

rents the house.

I said, "No, you're not telling me that.

It's not real."

And it was real.

It was like being hit by a boulder.

I had two voicemails from my father,

two voicemails from Leu, and three from Chris.

And I went, "Well, either we hit the lottery",

or something awful has happened.

What was your first reaction?

Didn't sound right the whole way up here.

You know, essentially saying

that my sister had been murdered.

Um...

I remember my mom texted me.

And I was just, like, standing in the middle of the terminal

like, "What the fuck?"

What happened when you got home?

Oh, man.

Like, the chaos begins.

The medical examiner ruling the killing a homicide,

"describing the cause of death as "blunt force trauma

and sharp force injury."

What kind of wounds did she have?

She was stabbed.

She had a terrible head wound.

Her carotid artery was stabbed.

All over.

They say it was 18 times.

Right now, the coroner, M.E. are on scene.

State police,

along with Madison police, are on scene,

trying to figure out who killed this woman.

Police won't say if the killing was random,

or if this mother was targeted.

This is a crime of passion.

People don't get murdered, and that brutally,

without it being a very personal thing.

Stunned and shocked, friends

of 48-year-old Barbara Hamburg flooding Facebook,

offering sympathy

for her teenage son and daughter.

Meantime, detectives combing the yard where she was found.

I know it's... it's tough to think about this.

- I just have a couple questions. - Yeah, it's fine.

What was your best recollection

of coming home?

Something wasn't right.

We were calling her.

We couldn't get in touch with her.

Ali and I pulled up,

and Ali's like, "Why is Mom's car in the driveway?"

And I said, "I don't know.

I don't know, Al."

Her keys were in the door, but the door was locked.

And we go inside and we're screaming her name.

We're calling out for her.

We don't know where she is.

She's nowhere to be found.

Nothing is making sense.

I go around the house, and I hear Conway screaming.

I see these cushions up against the bushes

and I'm like, "What the hell?"

So I pull one cushion off and I'm like, "Oh.

It's an animal."

Why did you think it was an animal?

All I could see was, like,

mushed-up hair and blood.

So you pull back the second cushion,

what happens?

It's your mom.

Hi, Madison.

Madison!

Hi.

Barbara Hamburg's son posted a message on Facebook

saying now is the time to stay strong.

That's what his mother would've wanted.

She said, "Mom's dead."

I just wanted to wake up.

'Cause I knew that that couldn't be real.

Everything that was important in my life then

within, like, a split second...

Meant nothing.

We're about to take a brief tour of Connecticut.

In this astronaut's-eye view from outer space,

it appears small geographically,

but it looms increasingly large

the closer one approaches.

Connecticut is strategically located

between New York and Boston

in the heart of the rich northeastern market.

It's a state of dynamic economic growth,

rich in variety and full of opportunity.

Are you busy right now?

So I told you I've been working

on, like, a couple projects, right?

I'm doing a documentary on my mom.

Yeah.

And I was just calling to ask you

if you would be willing...

I'm going to Connecticut this weekend.

I was asking you

if you would be willing to...

to be interviewed about it.

Just about, like, her life.

What do you mean?

There they are.

- Hi, Grammy. - Morning.

Good morning.

Hi, sweetness.

How's my dear grandson?

How are you?

Aww, it's good to see you, honeybunch.

Is it good?

Check, one, two, one, two.

This is a picture of the four Barbaras.

That's my mother, known as Gram,

on the right, Barbara,

and in the middle, that's me, Barbara,

and this is Madison's mom on the left, Barbara,

and that's Ali, who is really Barbara Alexandra.

So we have four Barbaras.

And two of them are no longer with us.

It's hard to believe that part.

And we have...

Madison, Ali, and Brian.

Brian is Maddie's half brother,

who is a doctor.

Yeah.

This is great. I love your glasses.

Oh, my gosh.

Barbie looked the most like me of all my daughters.

I would go down to Grandparents' Day

and people would come along and they'd say,

"I know who you are."

"You're Madison's grandma,

"'cause you look just like Barbie.

Barbie looks just like you."

Can you describe

the last time you talked to her?

Your mom?

Well, I can describe the last time I saw her better.

She was here. She was visiting.

And she and I sat in that bed

and talked a long time that night before she left.

About life and, you know...

I remember distinctly

her walking away...

- Everybody smile. - Yeah.

Aww.

And I know I talked to Mom on the phone

after that many times, but that image sticks with me.

That's an important image.

And that was not too long before she was murdered.

We had a great relationship, your mom and I.

We truly, truly did.

So I miss her terribly.

And hopefully this will...

you'll get a good grade.

That's not what this is about, Grammy.

- Oh, it's not? - No, this is way more.

- This is... - Oh, I know.

- Kay. - I love you.

I love you too.

The hardest thing for me was to watch you

have to go through all that,

'cause you were 18

and you had to act like you were...

21, 22, 23.

That had to be very, very hard, Maddie.

The rest of us couldn't do it for you.

You had to do it.

The vigil started about a half hour ago

with family and friends gathering around.

They lit candles in her memory.

They wanna keep it fresh in the public's memory

in case somebody comes forward.

It's just always that unanswered question out there

about your mom's murder.

And it affects the entire family.

We believe if we continue

to have these vigils every year,

that somewhere, someone, they'll be able to come forward

and help the police solve the case.

Conway interview, take one.

Marker.

Your mom was amazing.

She was so smart.

She had all the boys wanting her.

She was beautiful.

And so many friends.

So many friends.

People just wanted to be with Barb.

She was a treasure.

She was my baby sister.

She was great fun to be around.

I can see her coming up the stairs.

Your mother had secrets, so I don't know.

She didn't share all of her secrets with me.

But I always knew she had secrets

that were... That were dark secrets,

because she had this way of breathing and smiling

that, to me, it was a coverup

for something that was very heavy in her heart.

So I don't know what that was,

but I just knew there was something.

Always knew there was something.

This is your world

and the important people in it.

The people who will love you, help you, and hinder you

in your job of growing to be a man.

Let's start with your father and mother.

In a few days, they take you home,

and some of the most important days

of your life begin.

Ran right to the dog.

Well, you grew up with a silver spoon, you know.

You had everything you needed, wanted.

You lived in a beautiful house.

Then you had the house in Connecticut

that was a summer house for a while.

- Oh. Uh-oh.

- Whoa. - Little sailor.

Say "Thank you, Mommy."

They tried to educate you, send you to the best schools.

There were nannies and chauffeurs.

- There's Daddy. Ooh, there you go!

Daddy.

Getting ready for school.

That's a nice outfit.

Say bye-bye to Daddy.

Your father was a multi-multimillionaire.

He was CEO of Southern Electric.

The Southern Company.

You know, your mom was wearing nicer clothes,

and, you know, just...

Things seemed simpler for her financially.

He seemed like a really nice man.

In the beginning, oh, God, the day I met your father,

he... I laughed so hard I was crying.

He was one of the most charismatic,

funny, intelligent people,

and to your mother, he was...

He was the knight in shining armor.

He was a prince.

I think your mom thought

and believed in her heart of hearts

that she married the man of her dreams.

She was head over heels in love

and felt like

she was kinda living the dream.

Hawaii and traveling the world and...

I think she really felt this was wonderful.

Whee!

Smile for the camera with your big tongue.

- Nice Mommy. - Hi.

Having babies,

she just came alive.

What a beautiful boy!

What a beautiful boy!

I think that she thought, "Wow, this is...

"this is real.

"This is valuable.

This makes me important."

I think she was a great mother.

I really do.

I mean, if she could put up with me, she was...

Anyone that could put up with me was a good mom.

Maddie, you were not a bad child.

I don't know where you get that.

Do you like it?

Is it good?

I always knew you'd be doing this

because you were always the little director.

It was hysterical.

You were the man behind the camera.

- That's it. - That weird?

It's... look at my teeth.

I'm glad to see you're doing it.

They had you and Ali.

So I think in the beginning, it was very good.

But, you know,

stuff happens, right?

Things change.

Is the documentary about Barbie being murdered,

or is the documentary about who Barbie was?

- Who she was. - Yeah?

It's about... I mean, that's a part...

It's about her life, and that is a part of her life,

and then it's also kind of about the family too.

There she is.

Purple on white.

I don't know what had turned,

but something had turned.

I remember looking at her one time

and she looked so different.

She seemed... hurt.

Like she was pretending.

And I could tell that their relationship was different.

And then when we would visit, Jeff wasn't even there.

It was just visiting Barbie.

And I didn't ask her about it. I didn't talk about it.

I'm sorry I didn't.

I mean, she was living such a privileged life

when she met your father,

and you guys were living such a privileged life.

- There's Daddy. What a wonderful man.

And a hard worker.

But your dad got in trouble

when he was working at Southern Electric,

and they fired him

for making an illegal deal out of the country.

But he took them to court,

and he won $3.5 million, I believe,

for defamation of character.

I think after what happened at Southern,

something changed him.

Your mom always said that that was such a blow to him.

He was always trying to prove himself

by doing other ventures.

And then when he started to travel and not come home,

that's when the problems began

because your mother was left alone all the time.

And she was feeling like a single mother.

And she was feeling as though she had been deserted.

Your dad pretty much abandoned her.

So she filed for divorce.

That was really a tough decision

for her to make, you know?

The anger that your father had

over your mother ending the marriage came out

in not supporting her physically;

Not giving child support, not paying for the bills,

not taking care of any of the financial parts

that he was supposed to take care of.

He just wanted to impoverish her.

It seemed like a goal

that he had set for himself.

And it was very sad to see that all happen,

because there are so many more wonderful things to focus on

than revenge and anger.

- Bye-bye. I love you. - Bye-bye.

- Bye-bye. - Bye-bye, Daddy.

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

Welcome for coming tonight.

Madison Police Department,

with the Connecticut State Police

and the office of the chief state's attorney

from New Haven County.

We're continuing our investigation

into the death of Barbara Hamburg

from Middle Beach Road West in Madison.

At this time, we're seeking to locate

her former husband, Jeffrey Hamburg,

date of birth 8/5/48.

He's a white male, 6 feet tall with hazel eyes.

Last known address is in West Hartford, Connecticut,

Timberwood Road.

There's a statewide manhunt on

from Hartford to West Hartford, even over to Windsor.

We started off in West Hartford.

Take a look. This is what we found.

State police at an affluent condo complex

where the owner of record is Jeffrey Hamburg.

There were also some detectives

at an Alstrom engineering plant,

where they say Hamburg worked.

They could not find him there as well.

Now, the neighbors we talked to say

Hamburg lives in this condo complex.

He's lived in this unit here for about a year,

though in that year time, they've only seen him once.

On his front doorstep, the newspapers sit unread,

and the people in the area were surprised,

especially when they saw the state police come up

and ring the front door looking for him.

Do you have any opinion on who you...

Who you think could've done this?

Well...

It seems to me that your father was in the position

to lose the most if she lived,

and that was the day he was supposed to go to jail.

Barbara Hamburg was to be in court this morning

with her ex-husband Jeffrey Hamburg,

but she never showed up for that court hearing.

The couple divorced in 2005,

followed by years of legal wrangling,

and he owed back child support.

I mean, he had been withholding money.

From what Barb told me,

she was going to throw him in jail.

Richard Callahan, attorney for Barbara Hamburg's estate,

says Jeff Hamburg has cried broke for too long

while living a lavish lifestyle.

- All right. Take one.

Marker.

I'll tell you what I told the state police that day.

Your father had been ordered

and had promised to make certain payments.

Either your dad showed up with the money,

or I'd be asking the court

to find him in contempt of the court's orders

and incarcerate him until he paid.

How much did he owe in total?

$153,000 to your mother

and $324,000

to you and your sister.

There was no question he did not have the money

on March 3rd.

Police say Jeff Hamburg was stealing money

from his daughter's college fund

about four years after he and his wife Barbara divorced.

What time did court start that day?

9:30.

Normally, your mom's there at 9:00, 9:15.

What was my dad's demeanor like?

I don't know whether I could say

that there was a change in his demeanor,

but there was no complaint to me

"from him or his lawyer saying, "Where's your client?

Why isn't she here?"

And that is what struck me.

But I should back up, because...

that suggests that I know

that your father did something,

which I do not know.

He just was the prime suspect

because of the circumstances of that day.

All parents have dreams.

And they have definite ideas of what they want you to be.

It isn't easy with a father who's never satisfied.

Always wants you a little different,

a little better.

More like his dream.

From the time that I met you,

the relationship with your dad was not good.

You know, it was very...

Controlling.

I think you had

a really close relationship with your mom,

probably closer than most teenage boys.

You were more like peers in some ways,

so you had a hard time when she...

tried to lay down the law with you.

You were using substances,

and you were expelled from school.

Your dad got angry

about a letter I had written to the court

that stated that you didn't wanna live...

Go to his house

or spend time with him.

He thought that that was my opinion.

So once we clarified, really,

that I was stating something

that you had stated,

it was cleared up,

but I got a subpoena

from the law... from his lawyer.

Yeah, I remember.

He, like, freaked out.

He, like, started, like, attacking you, kinda.

And then your mom called me the next day.

To tell me that you were worried about me.

That you didn't like the way your dad was treating me.

Can you talk about after?

Like, the months after the murder?

You came to see me.

You left school.

And you came back to see me.

Only for a few sessions though.

Because, you know, you were not in a place

that you could function in school.

You were afraid of, like, your own safety.

And then shortly after,

all communication with your dad stopped.

I knew that there were things in your dad's history.

- Hi. Enough.

Your mom told me that he had been involved

in something overseas.

He had, I don't know how many passports.

Five?

So it was a surprise.

You know, to go from the CEO of Southern Electric

to a life that few people could begin to understand.

Electric energy into the future.

Can you hear your daddy?

Where's Daddy?

Where's Daddy?

A first look at Jeffrey Hamburg

as he walks to court this morning with his lawyer.

This is his first public appearance,

at an alimony and child support hearing,

since his ex-wife Barbara Beach-Hamburg

was found murdered earlier this month.

The ex-husband has hired

well-known criminal defense lawyer Hugh Keefe...

Lynch, Traube, Keefe, & Errante handles

all kinds of criminal cases;

Murder, sexual assault, kidnapping,

embezzlement, tax evasion, conspiracies.

Your father immediately got an attorney

so that he wouldn't have to go to the police.

If I thought I had something to hide,

I wouldn't be wanting to talk to the police.

Police.

This is a routine support hearing.

There are more police officers than lawyers

in that courtroom today.

The police, when they have a situation like this,

automatically look

at the spouse or ex-spouse.

The attorney that your dad hired,

people were afraid of him in the courtroom.

He's pretty masterful.

Keefe says Hamburg gave police

a sample of his DNA and hair last week.

I assume everything came back negative,

or he would've been arrested.

Also at today's post-divorce hearing,

Barbara's sister, Conway Beach.

Have you spoken to Jeffrey at all?

No, I have not, and that's all I have.

Why do you think the police haven't opened

a case against my father about the murder?

I think the police were...

Dropped the ball on your mother's murder,

if you want the truth.

I mean, it's very difficult to think of a small town

like Madison not being able to solve

this egregious crime.

It sounds like there was

a sort of screw-up or something with the DNA.

I'm not really sure.

We were asked as a family to wait to run the DNA

because apparently there was a new DNA lab being built,

and it was gonna be the best.

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.

It is a pleasure to be here in Meriden

to celebrate the groundbreaking

for the state forensic science laboratory.

Connecticut is a known leader

in the field of forensic science,

and this project will reinforce this distinction.

So we waited

for this new DNA lab to be built.

We believe we are the premiere laboratory

in the United States and in the world.

They ran the DNA and...

the DNA kit was faulty.

And the difference between verdicts of guilty

and verdicts of not guilty depends to a great extent

upon the integrity of a laboratory such as ours.

Now, the state crime lab is under

some extra pressure right now

because a recent audit of its DNA processes

came up with some problems,

and its accreditation also has expired.

To be quite honest with you, Madison,

I don't even know if there is any DNA left.

And it scares the shit out of me.

After the medical examiner finished,

she was cremated.

I mean, that's a family tradition.

Knowing what I know now,

one should wait a little longer

until all evidence has been collected properly

before you cremate them,

because DNA is so important now.

Yeah.

Somebody's missing something.

Cases can be solved without DNA.

There's been some scuttlebutt

about the Madison Police Department being

less than ethical

that I think needs to be investigated.

As you know, the state's attorney

now investigating the ongoings here

at the Madison Police Department.

Instead of making arrests,

two Madison police officers are placed under arrest.

Three police officers have been fired.

Officers were allegedly meeting with prostitutes,

frequenting strip clubs and massage parlors,

and establishing a motorcycle gang.

Conversation at the coffee shop

is often about bad cops.

People here are tired of the little bit of corruption

that keeps cropping up in the police department.

Madison Police Officer is stripped of his badge.

Suspended and arrested for abusing police data...

Charged with stealing seafood from a restaurant...

Now accused of stealing gasoline from the town pump.

It's a concern

when the people that you trust to...

to take care of things

are less than honest themselves.

I have no proof of that.

Only a lot of...

concern.

This is the town you will grow up in.

A nice, warm world.

A happy, secure community.

An atmosphere that prepares you

to find your place in the world with confidence

and the best use of your abilities.

- Hey. It's Madison.

I told you before I'm doing a documentary

on my mother for a class.

And I was just seeing

if there was any way I could get

an interview with someone

just about... just to go over, like, what the crime scene...

Or something that I can use for my documentary.

Um...

Okay.

Right.

Okay.

- Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

Okay.

He doesn't know if we can do an interview,

but, like, what if, um...

I'm going in for questioning on Friday.

What if I, like, brought in a recorder?

Risky.

Well, I could record it with my phone.

Risky.

It'd be worth it.

Yeah, it would.

See what kinda questions they're asking you.

Madison, what brings us to the police station today?

I am about to get interrogated.

It's just one of the many things

that I have to put up with

since someone...

came and killed my mother.

Hi. Can I help you?

Hey, I'm here to see Detective Mulhern.

- Your name, please? - Madison.

- Madison? - Yeah.

Is that your last name or first name?

- It's my first name. - And your last name?

Hamburg.

Okay, I'll tell them that you're here.

Okay. Thank you.

I don't even know if I'm, like, prepared for this.

Mm-hmm.

Uh, good.

I mean...

they don't wanna give us anything,

but they want the doc.

They want, like, all of our files.

What would it help them?

They think that, like, people would tell us things

in interviews that they wouldn't tell them.

- Hey. How's it going? - Hey. What's going on?

Nothing, I just gotta catch up with you, that's all.

Yeah.

I wanted to ask

if you talked to your attorney again.

Yeah, I can't.

I can't. There's no way.

Sorry about that.

What's, like, the main reason you can't...

Madison, I just can't discuss it.

It's just... It's a unqualified no, so...

Dad, can, like, I ask you some questions?

No. No.

No, let's just leave it at that.

I just wanna know why...

Why that I can't...

Why you can't even just talk to me.

I know you wanna know answers,

and I know you wanna know about your mom

and her life and all that stuff.

I just... it's just not...

Maybe in years ahead, we can have this conversation,

but not now.

I just don't think that's fair.

- Yeah. A lot of things aren't fair.

I'm sorry.

I don't think that you're sorry.

Okay, well, you can believe me or not believe me.

It's your choice.

Do you want this case to get solved?

Madison, I'm not going to answer

any more questions about it.

At this point... At this point...

As far as I'm concerned, I cannot answer any...

Madison, I can't answer any more questions.

At this point, I honestly, in my honest opinion,

don't know if you want this case to be solved.

If... I don't know if you care more about covering yourself

than this case being solved, which doesn't make any sense,

'cause if this case is solved and if you're innocent...

- I have nothing to add. I have nothing to add.

I have no knowledge of your mother's life,

uh, really.

You were married to her for 13 years.

- Well, yeah, but I have no... - And you were dealing with...

I have no... I don't know anything.

How do you expect me to trust you?

Madison, that's a decision you have to make.

- Is it? Is it?

It's a decision based on your secrecy.

Madison, it's a decision... It's a decision

that you have to make.

I would hope that you would understand,

but if you don't, you don't.

I mean, that's your decision.

Maybe one day, you'll get the courage together to...

to face this stuff and change something,

but until then, that's...

You're gonna stay in the same spot.

Because that's... you are one of the main pieces

that's stopping everything.

I guess that I gotta...

I have other things I gotta do today.

Okay.

- All right. - Yeah. Bye.

Bye.

I tried. I mean...

He doesn't wanna...

doesn't wanna help.

Doesn't want anything to change.

This is where I found my sister murdered.

He's here, Barbie.

I guess all I wanna say is I love you.

Mm.

And I'm gonna do whatever I can

to find out what happened to you.

My mom's been dead for six years.

Nothing's happened with the case.

I thought it would hold me back

from, you know, my immediate goals.

I was wrapped up with school.

We were kinda waiting for...

Like, some sort of... Someone to come forward.

Some sort of momentum.

And I feel like if I don't do it,

that if I don't cause,

like, a reason for people to notice,

it's just gonna stay what it is.

To go back?

I don't think I can ever be prepared

to fully go back to that place.

But I feel like this is a second chance

to actually face what was happening

and not run away from it like I was.

We have to figure out where I'm gonna walk.

Where do you think he would walk to?

- Back to the subway. - Back to the subway?

So you should walk the other way.

So he can't follow you anywhere.

Yeah.

When was the last time you guys saw each other?

Like, I honestly can't remember.

So we're here.

The restaurant that they're meeting in

is across the street over there,

probably, I don't know,

30 yards away.

Loop it, and then you could tape it somewhere if you want.

Talk.

Hello, hello, hello.

I can't fucking...

Okay, I'll give him this.

Kay.

Oh.

Sorry.

How are you feeling, Madison?

Pretty... pretty weird.

- There he is. There he is.

Shh.

Okay.

That was really stressful for me,

and I felt it leading up to it,

and that entire time, my heart was racing.

- Are we rolling? - Yep.

Yes.

I'd never had a beer with my dad.

First time.

I wanna show you something.

This is my, like,

memories thing.

This is pretty much what I have left.

Wait, what's that from?

The crematorium.

It's weird,

like, thinking about someone so close to you

as, like, remains.

It's a piece of history, I guess.

From my history.

I got you.

After the funeral, I had this dream.

I was at this dinner,

and I'm looking at this woman,

and I realize that's my mom.

And her hair is long

and I'm like, "Mom, you're beautiful."

And she's just like,

"Your hair keeps growing after you die."

The only regret I think I could ever have...

She came down to visit and I went on a date

instead of seeing her.

She came down to see me.

She came down on Valentine's Day.

This one's to Maddie.

Aww.

Happy first Valentine.

Is that pretty?

It's a heart.

I talked to her the night before.

And I told her I loved her and that I was sorry

about Valentine's Day.

How could... you know, how could I talk to her,

and within hours...

She's murdered?

Growing up,

your parents are your heroes.

My mother was a superhero.

When people get to adulthood,

they get to meet their parents

as human beings,

and I didn't have that.

I need to meet that person.

And this is the only way to do that.

So many baseball cards.

Hey.

How's it going?

Okay.

I'd like to hear from you more often.

Do you get worried about me or something?

- Yeah, of course I do. You're my son.

I'm worried about you.

I'm even worried about your sister.

I never stopped loving her.

Still my daughter.

The past six years have been so crazy

that, like, I wish I could just

do something about it.

I just don't know what that is, you know?

Well, you're old enough to realize

that there really are two sides to the story.

Mom's side of the family were... blame somebody,

so they're probably trying to blame me.

But that doesn't fit the facts.

I wasn't there.

You can't get an answer if you don't have people

looking in the right places.

They're not looking internally,

to Jill and to Conway.

I know your aunts have been very good to you,

but they were both involved in the other possibility.

Women's gifting circles.

- Gifting tables... - Gifting circle...

They're what prosecutors nationwide have called

a pyramid scheme.

Your aunt Jill, to me, gets a lot

of the potential blame here,

'cause she got your mother into it,

and your mother was in it in a big way

as a leader.

Two women found guilty back in February

of running the table,

55-year-old Donna Bello

and 64-year-old Jill Platt of Guilford.

Now these women are charged with federal wire fraud

and filing false tax returns.

What's the motive?

Money.

Losses to victims totaled more than $1 million.

Somebody was threatening your mom.

And the way that police handled it,

it was just awful.

New evidence came up and they just ignored it.

Anyway, I don't wanna talk about it,

'cause she... it'll be disparaging about your mother,

and I don't wanna talk ill about the dead.

But all I know is that it's...

It ruined my life

and continuing to ruin my life.

I wish there was something

to do about it.

At the end of the day, there's nothing you can do.

We're not investigators.

Why would someone wanna kill my mom?

- I don't know. The body was covered.

And usually, that shows remorse by the person who did this.

You know, we don't want anybody to see this.

I see that as something very personal.

Could the murderer be someone that we...

It could be any of us

that you're talking to right now.

Maybe whoever you speak to

might get a conscience

and maybe come out with it,

'cause they've been sick of living with it.

Who knows?

Anything is possible.

Somebody somewhere

knows something.

You got the ball?

Yeah.

- Here. - Ball?

- Here. - Red ball?

- Yep. Ali.

Madison got on the ball.

And?

Nice throw, Maddie.

Can you give the ball to Mom? You wanna play?

Flowers?

You gonna get the flowers?

Okay.

Get the flowers.

Oh.

Aww.

Pretty flowers.

Madison got on the ball.

And?

Nice throw, Maddie.

I hope I'm not disturbing you

with any of the questions.

No. I mean, I don't wanna be

the one to drop the bombs here, you know?

I'm ready for bombs.

The focus should be, was there something else

going on?

Is there something that we're missing?

With the gifting tables, you joined with a 5,000 dollar gift.

The gifting table was a pyramid scheme.

It got out of control.

Some people can get to a point where they can snap.

You and my mother witnessed

a man wearing a ski mask walk though our yard?

It was the day before she was murdered.

Oh my god.