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Where are your toes?
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There's your toes?
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Where are your fingers?
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Hi, Daddy.
That's right.
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Hi, everybody.
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We start with breaking news
in Madison tonight,
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where a body has been found
in a waterfront home there.
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Police tonight are treating it
as a homicide.
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News Channel 8
first on the scene
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at Middle Beach Road.
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News Channel 8's Sara Welch
joins us
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live in Madison tonight,
and what do you know, Sara?
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Madison police
and state police have been
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out at this home
at 44 Middle Beach Road
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since about 11:30 this morning.
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Let's take a look.
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You can see the road is
blocked off by police.
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They are treating this case
as a homicide.
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It's hard to see
44 Middle Beach Road
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from this vantage point.
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Here's what we do know:
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A woman in her late 40s was
found injured in her yard.
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She was pronounced dead
at the scene.
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Police are not releasing
the victim's name,
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but News Channel 8 has learned
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that a woman
named Barbara Hamburg
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rents the house.
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I said, "No, you're not
telling me that.
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It's not real."
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And it was real.
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It was like being hit
by a boulder.
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I had two voicemails
from my father,
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two voicemails from Leu,
and three from Chris.
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And I went, "Well,
either we hit the lottery",
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or something awful
has happened.
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What was
your first reaction?
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Didn't sound right
the whole way up here.
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You know, essentially saying
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that my sister had
been murdered.
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Um...
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I remember my mom texted me.
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And I was just, like, standing
in the middle of the terminal
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like, "What the fuck?"
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What happened
when you got home?
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Oh, man.
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Like, the chaos begins.
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The medical examiner ruling
the killing a homicide,
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"describing the cause of death
as "blunt force trauma
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and sharp force injury."
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What kind of wounds
did she have?
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She was stabbed.
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She had a terrible head wound.
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Her carotid artery
was stabbed.
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All over.
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They say it was 18 times.
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Right now, the coroner,
M.E. are on scene.
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State police,
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along with Madison police,
are on scene,
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trying to figure out
who killed this woman.
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Police won't say
if the killing was random,
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or if this mother
was targeted.
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This is a crime of passion.
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People don't get murdered,
and that brutally,
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without it being
a very personal thing.
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Stunned and shocked, friends
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of 48-year-old Barbara Hamburg
flooding Facebook,
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offering sympathy
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for her teenage son
and daughter.
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Meantime, detectives combing
the yard where she was found.
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I know it's... it's tough
to think about this.
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- I just have a couple questions.
- Yeah, it's fine.
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What was
your best recollection
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of coming home?
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Something wasn't right.
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We were calling her.
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We couldn't get in touch
with her.
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Ali and I pulled up,
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and Ali's like, "Why is
Mom's car in the driveway?"
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And I said, "I don't know.
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I don't know, Al."
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Her keys were in the door,
but the door was locked.
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And we go inside
and we're screaming her name.
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We're calling out for her.
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We don't know where she is.
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She's nowhere to be found.
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Nothing is making sense.
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I go around the house,
and I hear Conway screaming.
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I see these cushions
up against the bushes
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and I'm like, "What the hell?"
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So I pull one cushion off
and I'm like, "Oh.
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It's an animal."
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Why did you think
it was an animal?
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All I could see was, like,
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mushed-up hair and blood.
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So you pull back
the second cushion,
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what happens?
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It's your mom.
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Hi, Madison.
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Madison!
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Hi.
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Barbara Hamburg's son posted
a message on Facebook
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saying now is the time
to stay strong.
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That's what his mother
would've wanted.
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She said, "Mom's dead."
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I just wanted to wake up.
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'Cause I knew
that that couldn't be real.
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Everything that was important
in my life then
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within, like, a split second...
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Meant nothing.
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We're about to take
a brief tour of Connecticut.
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In this astronaut's-eye view
from outer space,
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it appears small
geographically,
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but it looms
increasingly large
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the closer one approaches.
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Connecticut is
strategically located
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between New York and Boston
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in the heart of the rich
northeastern market.
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It's a state
of dynamic economic growth,
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rich in variety
and full of opportunity.
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Are you busy right now?
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So I told you
I've been working
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on, like, a couple projects,
right?
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I'm doing a documentary
on my mom.
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Yeah.
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And I was just calling
to ask you
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if you would be willing...
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I'm going to Connecticut
this weekend.
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I was asking you
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if you would be willing to...
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to be interviewed about it.
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Just about, like, her life.
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What do you mean?
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There they are.
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- Hi, Grammy.
- Morning.
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Good morning.
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Hi, sweetness.
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How's my dear grandson?
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How are you?
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Aww, it's good to see you,
honeybunch.
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Is it good?
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Check, one, two, one, two.
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This is a picture
of the four Barbaras.
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That's my mother,
known as Gram,
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on the right, Barbara,
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and in the middle,
that's me, Barbara,
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and this is Madison's mom
on the left, Barbara,
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and that's Ali, who is really
Barbara Alexandra.
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So we have four Barbaras.
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And two of them are
no longer with us.
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It's hard to believe that part.
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And we have...
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Madison, Ali, and Brian.
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Brian is Maddie's half brother,
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who is a doctor.
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Yeah.
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This is great.
I love your glasses.
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Oh, my gosh.
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Barbie looked the most like me
of all my daughters.
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I would go down
to Grandparents' Day
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and people would come along
and they'd say,
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"I know who you are."
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"You're Madison's grandma,
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"'cause you look
just like Barbie.
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Barbie looks just like you."
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Can you describe
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the last time
you talked to her?
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Your mom?
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Well, I can describe
the last time I saw her better.
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She was here.
She was visiting.
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And she and I sat in that bed
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and talked a long time
that night before she left.
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About life and, you know...
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I remember distinctly
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her walking away...
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- Everybody smile.
- Yeah.
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Aww.
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And I know I talked to Mom
on the phone
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after that many times,
but that image sticks with me.
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That's an important image.
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And that was not too long
before she was murdered.
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We had a great relationship,
your mom and I.
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We truly, truly did.
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So I miss her terribly.
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And hopefully this will...
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you'll get a good grade.
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That's not
what this is about, Grammy.
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- Oh, it's not?
- No, this is way more.
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- This is...
- Oh, I know.
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- Kay.
- I love you.
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I love you too.
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The hardest thing for me
was to watch you
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have to go through all that,
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'cause you were 18
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and you had to act
like you were...
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21, 22, 23.
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That had to be
very, very hard, Maddie.
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The rest of us couldn't do it
for you.
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You had to do it.
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The vigil started
about a half hour ago
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with family and friends
gathering around.
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They lit candles
in her memory.
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They wanna keep it fresh
in the public's memory
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in case
somebody comes forward.
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It's just always that
unanswered question out there
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about your mom's murder.
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And it affects
the entire family.
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We believe if we continue
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to have these vigils
every year,
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that somewhere, someone,
they'll be able to come forward
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and help the police
solve the case.
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Conway interview, take one.
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Marker.
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Your mom was amazing.
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She was so smart.
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She had all the boys
wanting her.
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She was beautiful.
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And so many friends.
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So many friends.
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People just wanted
to be with Barb.
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She was a treasure.
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She was my baby sister.
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She was great fun
to be around.
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I can see her
coming up the stairs.
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Your mother had secrets,
so I don't know.
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She didn't share
all of her secrets with me.
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But I always knew
she had secrets
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that were...
That were dark secrets,
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because she had this way
of breathing and smiling
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that, to me, it was a coverup
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for something that was
very heavy in her heart.
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So I don't know what that was,
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but I just knew
there was something.
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Always knew
there was something.
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This is your world
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and the important people
in it.
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The people who will love you,
help you, and hinder you
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in your job of growing
to be a man.
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Let's start with your father
and mother.
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In a few days,
they take you home,
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and some
of the most important days
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of your life begin.
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Ran right to the dog.
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Well, you grew up
with a silver spoon, you know.
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You had everything
you needed, wanted.
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You lived
in a beautiful house.
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Then you had the house
in Connecticut
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that was a summer house
for a while.
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- Oh.
Uh-oh.
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- Whoa.
- Little sailor.
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Say "Thank you, Mommy."
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They tried to educate you,
send you to the best schools.
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There were nannies
and chauffeurs.
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- There's Daddy.
Ooh, there you go!
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Daddy.
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Getting ready for school.
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That's a nice outfit.
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Say bye-bye to Daddy.
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Your father was
a multi-multimillionaire.
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He was CEO
of Southern Electric.
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The Southern Company.
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You know, your mom was
wearing nicer clothes,
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and, you know, just...
263
00:14:00,255 --> 00:14:04,923
Things seemed simpler
for her financially.
264
00:14:05,005 --> 00:14:08,047
He seemed like
a really nice man.
265
00:14:09,589 --> 00:14:12,297
In the beginning, oh, God,
the day I met your father,
266
00:14:12,381 --> 00:14:14,631
he... I laughed so hard
I was crying.
267
00:14:14,714 --> 00:14:17,172
He was one
of the most charismatic,
268
00:14:17,255 --> 00:14:19,506
funny, intelligent people,
269
00:14:19,589 --> 00:14:21,339
and to your mother, he was...
270
00:14:21,422 --> 00:14:23,172
He was the knight
in shining armor.
271
00:14:23,255 --> 00:14:25,214
He was a prince.
272
00:14:28,422 --> 00:14:30,339
I think your mom thought
273
00:14:30,422 --> 00:14:33,506
and believed
in her heart of hearts
274
00:14:33,589 --> 00:14:36,756
that she married
the man of her dreams.
275
00:14:38,381 --> 00:14:41,881
She was head over heels
in love
276
00:14:42,005 --> 00:14:44,047
and felt like
277
00:14:44,130 --> 00:14:48,089
she was kinda living the dream.
278
00:14:49,130 --> 00:14:52,881
Hawaii and traveling the world
and...
279
00:14:52,964 --> 00:14:56,297
I think she really felt
this was wonderful.
280
00:14:57,297 --> 00:14:59,881
Whee!
281
00:14:59,964 --> 00:15:04,381
Smile for the camera
with your big tongue.
282
00:15:04,464 --> 00:15:06,255
- Nice Mommy.
- Hi.
283
00:15:06,339 --> 00:15:08,255
Having babies,
284
00:15:08,339 --> 00:15:10,881
she just came alive.
285
00:15:10,964 --> 00:15:13,381
What a beautiful boy!
286
00:15:13,464 --> 00:15:16,297
What a beautiful boy!
287
00:15:17,964 --> 00:15:20,756
I think that she thought,
"Wow, this is...
288
00:15:20,839 --> 00:15:23,130
"this is real.
289
00:15:23,214 --> 00:15:24,798
"This is valuable.
290
00:15:24,881 --> 00:15:26,589
This makes me important."
291
00:15:28,839 --> 00:15:30,119
I think she was
a great mother.
292
00:15:30,172 --> 00:15:31,589
I really do.
293
00:15:31,673 --> 00:15:34,089
I mean, if she could put up
with me, she was...
294
00:15:34,172 --> 00:15:36,547
Anyone that could put up
with me was a good mom.
295
00:15:36,631 --> 00:15:38,798
Maddie, you were not
a bad child.
296
00:15:38,881 --> 00:15:40,756
I don't know
where you get that.
297
00:15:40,839 --> 00:15:42,422
Do you like it?
298
00:15:42,506 --> 00:15:44,547
Is it good?
299
00:15:46,005 --> 00:15:47,365
I always knew
you'd be doing this
300
00:15:47,381 --> 00:15:49,255
because you were always
the little director.
301
00:15:49,339 --> 00:15:51,172
It was hysterical.
302
00:15:51,255 --> 00:15:52,714
You were the man
behind the camera.
303
00:15:52,798 --> 00:15:54,255
- That's it.
- That weird?
304
00:15:54,339 --> 00:15:56,089
It's... look at my teeth.
305
00:15:56,172 --> 00:15:57,923
I'm glad to see
you're doing it.
306
00:16:01,673 --> 00:16:03,506
They had you and Ali.
307
00:16:05,839 --> 00:16:09,964
So I think in the beginning,
it was very good.
308
00:16:10,047 --> 00:16:12,506
But, you know,
309
00:16:12,589 --> 00:16:15,297
stuff happens, right?
310
00:16:15,381 --> 00:16:18,089
Things change.
311
00:16:18,172 --> 00:16:21,255
Is the documentary about
Barbie being murdered,
312
00:16:21,339 --> 00:16:23,631
or is the documentary about
who Barbie was?
313
00:16:23,714 --> 00:16:25,464
- Who she was.
- Yeah?
314
00:16:25,547 --> 00:16:28,130
It's about...
I mean, that's a part...
315
00:16:28,214 --> 00:16:31,005
It's about her life,
and that is a part of her life,
316
00:16:31,089 --> 00:16:34,714
and then it's also
kind of about the family too.
317
00:16:44,255 --> 00:16:47,339
There she is.
318
00:16:47,422 --> 00:16:50,172
Purple on white.
319
00:16:50,255 --> 00:16:51,452
I don't know
what had turned,
320
00:16:51,464 --> 00:16:53,839
but something had turned.
321
00:16:53,923 --> 00:16:56,673
I remember looking at her
one time
322
00:16:56,756 --> 00:16:59,005
and she looked so different.
323
00:16:59,089 --> 00:17:03,381
She seemed... hurt.
324
00:17:03,464 --> 00:17:06,339
Like she was pretending.
325
00:17:06,422 --> 00:17:09,506
And I could tell that their
relationship was different.
326
00:17:09,589 --> 00:17:12,673
And then when we would visit,
Jeff wasn't even there.
327
00:17:12,756 --> 00:17:14,881
It was just visiting Barbie.
328
00:17:14,964 --> 00:17:18,297
And I didn't ask her about it.
I didn't talk about it.
329
00:17:18,381 --> 00:17:21,506
I'm sorry I didn't.
330
00:17:21,589 --> 00:17:24,214
I mean, she was living
such a privileged life
331
00:17:24,297 --> 00:17:25,381
when she met your father,
332
00:17:25,464 --> 00:17:29,381
and you guys were living
such a privileged life.
333
00:17:29,464 --> 00:17:32,089
- There's Daddy.
What a wonderful man.
334
00:17:32,172 --> 00:17:34,506
And a hard worker.
335
00:17:34,589 --> 00:17:37,214
But your dad got in trouble
336
00:17:37,297 --> 00:17:39,673
when he was working
at Southern Electric,
337
00:17:39,756 --> 00:17:43,547
and they fired him
338
00:17:43,631 --> 00:17:47,798
for making an illegal deal
out of the country.
339
00:17:49,089 --> 00:17:50,881
But he took them to court,
340
00:17:50,964 --> 00:17:54,631
and he won $3.5 million,
I believe,
341
00:17:54,714 --> 00:17:56,631
for defamation of character.
342
00:18:03,631 --> 00:18:07,881
I think after what happened
at Southern,
343
00:18:07,964 --> 00:18:10,547
something changed him.
344
00:18:10,631 --> 00:18:14,255
Your mom always said that
that was such a blow to him.
345
00:18:14,339 --> 00:18:16,756
He was always trying
to prove himself
346
00:18:16,839 --> 00:18:18,464
by doing other ventures.
347
00:18:18,547 --> 00:18:21,673
And then when he started
to travel and not come home,
348
00:18:21,756 --> 00:18:23,464
that's when the problems began
349
00:18:23,547 --> 00:18:27,255
because your mother was
left alone all the time.
350
00:18:27,339 --> 00:18:29,798
And she was feeling like
a single mother.
351
00:18:29,881 --> 00:18:33,839
And she was feeling as though
she had been deserted.
352
00:18:35,172 --> 00:18:38,172
Your dad pretty much
abandoned her.
353
00:18:39,172 --> 00:18:41,589
So she filed for divorce.
354
00:18:41,673 --> 00:18:43,714
That was really
a tough decision
355
00:18:43,798 --> 00:18:46,422
for her to make, you know?
356
00:18:46,506 --> 00:18:48,547
The anger
that your father had
357
00:18:48,631 --> 00:18:51,422
over your mother
ending the marriage came out
358
00:18:51,506 --> 00:18:54,255
in not supporting her
physically;
359
00:18:54,339 --> 00:18:57,005
Not giving child support,
not paying for the bills,
360
00:18:57,089 --> 00:19:00,339
not taking care
of any of the financial parts
361
00:19:00,422 --> 00:19:03,464
that he was
supposed to take care of.
362
00:19:03,547 --> 00:19:05,506
He just wanted
to impoverish her.
363
00:19:05,589 --> 00:19:07,631
It seemed like a goal
364
00:19:07,714 --> 00:19:10,464
that he had set for himself.
365
00:19:10,547 --> 00:19:12,756
And it was very sad
to see that all happen,
366
00:19:12,839 --> 00:19:15,631
because there are so many more
wonderful things to focus on
367
00:19:15,714 --> 00:19:18,464
than revenge and anger.
368
00:19:18,547 --> 00:19:21,130
- Bye-bye. I love you.
- Bye-bye.
369
00:19:21,214 --> 00:19:23,089
- Bye-bye.
- Bye-bye, Daddy.
370
00:19:24,881 --> 00:19:26,202
Good evening,
ladies and gentlemen.
371
00:19:26,214 --> 00:19:27,297
Welcome for coming tonight.
372
00:19:27,381 --> 00:19:28,422
Madison Police Department,
373
00:19:28,506 --> 00:19:29,702
with the Connecticut
State Police
374
00:19:29,714 --> 00:19:31,410
and the office
of the chief state's attorney
375
00:19:31,422 --> 00:19:32,798
from New Haven County.
376
00:19:32,881 --> 00:19:34,201
We're continuing
our investigation
377
00:19:34,255 --> 00:19:36,172
into the death
of Barbara Hamburg
378
00:19:36,255 --> 00:19:39,631
from Middle Beach Road West
in Madison.
379
00:19:39,714 --> 00:19:43,798
At this time,
we're seeking to locate
380
00:19:43,881 --> 00:19:46,339
her former husband,
Jeffrey Hamburg,
381
00:19:46,422 --> 00:19:48,589
date of birth 8/5/48.
382
00:19:48,673 --> 00:19:51,673
He's a white male,
6 feet tall with hazel eyes.
383
00:19:51,756 --> 00:19:53,744
Last known address is in
West Hartford, Connecticut,
384
00:19:53,756 --> 00:19:55,130
Timberwood Road.
385
00:19:55,214 --> 00:19:56,410
There's a statewide
manhunt on
386
00:19:56,422 --> 00:19:58,506
from Hartford to West Hartford,
even over to Windsor.
387
00:19:58,589 --> 00:19:59,786
We started off
in West Hartford.
388
00:19:59,798 --> 00:20:01,077
Take a look.
This is what we found.
389
00:20:01,089 --> 00:20:04,673
State police
at an affluent condo complex
390
00:20:04,756 --> 00:20:08,339
where the owner of record
is Jeffrey Hamburg.
391
00:20:08,422 --> 00:20:09,964
There were also
some detectives
392
00:20:10,047 --> 00:20:12,047
at an Alstrom
engineering plant,
393
00:20:12,130 --> 00:20:14,673
where they say Hamburg worked.
394
00:20:14,756 --> 00:20:16,160
They could not find him there
as well.
395
00:20:16,172 --> 00:20:17,410
Now, the neighbors
we talked to say
396
00:20:17,422 --> 00:20:19,422
Hamburg lives
in this condo complex.
397
00:20:19,506 --> 00:20:21,547
He's lived in this unit here
for about a year,
398
00:20:21,631 --> 00:20:24,339
though in that year time,
they've only seen him once.
399
00:20:24,422 --> 00:20:27,422
On his front doorstep,
the newspapers sit unread,
400
00:20:27,506 --> 00:20:29,172
and the people in the area
were surprised,
401
00:20:29,255 --> 00:20:31,381
especially when they saw
the state police come up
402
00:20:31,464 --> 00:20:33,673
and ring the front door
looking for him.
403
00:20:35,589 --> 00:20:38,214
Do you have any opinion
on who you...
404
00:20:38,297 --> 00:20:41,589
Who you think
could've done this?
405
00:20:41,673 --> 00:20:43,923
Well...
406
00:20:44,005 --> 00:20:46,881
It seems to me that your father
was in the position
407
00:20:46,964 --> 00:20:51,381
to lose the most if she lived,
408
00:20:51,464 --> 00:20:54,923
and that was the day
he was supposed to go to jail.
409
00:20:55,005 --> 00:20:57,464
Barbara Hamburg was to be
in court this morning
410
00:20:57,547 --> 00:20:59,881
with her ex-husband
Jeffrey Hamburg,
411
00:20:59,964 --> 00:21:02,589
but she never showed up
for that court hearing.
412
00:21:02,673 --> 00:21:04,756
The couple divorced in 2005,
413
00:21:04,839 --> 00:21:07,214
followed by years
of legal wrangling,
414
00:21:07,297 --> 00:21:10,130
and he owed
back child support.
415
00:21:10,214 --> 00:21:13,255
I mean, he had been
withholding money.
416
00:21:13,339 --> 00:21:15,756
From what Barb told me,
417
00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:18,255
she was going to throw him
in jail.
418
00:21:18,339 --> 00:21:21,047
Richard Callahan, attorney
for Barbara Hamburg's estate,
419
00:21:21,130 --> 00:21:23,881
says Jeff Hamburg has
cried broke for too long
420
00:21:23,964 --> 00:21:26,255
while living
a lavish lifestyle.
421
00:21:26,339 --> 00:21:28,881
- All right.
Take one.
422
00:21:28,964 --> 00:21:30,172
Marker.
423
00:21:30,255 --> 00:21:33,923
I'll tell you what I told
the state police that day.
424
00:21:34,005 --> 00:21:36,130
Your father had been ordered
425
00:21:36,214 --> 00:21:39,005
and had promised to make
certain payments.
426
00:21:39,089 --> 00:21:41,631
Either your dad showed up
with the money,
427
00:21:41,714 --> 00:21:44,130
or I'd be asking the court
428
00:21:44,214 --> 00:21:47,923
to find him in contempt
of the court's orders
429
00:21:48,005 --> 00:21:50,881
and incarcerate him
until he paid.
430
00:21:50,964 --> 00:21:52,798
How much did he owe
in total?
431
00:21:52,881 --> 00:21:55,130
$153,000 to your mother
432
00:21:55,214 --> 00:21:58,464
and $324,000
433
00:21:58,547 --> 00:22:00,422
to you and your sister.
434
00:22:00,506 --> 00:22:02,923
There was no question
he did not have the money
435
00:22:03,005 --> 00:22:04,464
on March 3rd.
436
00:22:04,547 --> 00:22:06,798
Police say Jeff Hamburg was
stealing money
437
00:22:06,881 --> 00:22:08,506
from his daughter's
college fund
438
00:22:08,589 --> 00:22:12,089
about four years after he
and his wife Barbara divorced.
439
00:22:12,172 --> 00:22:14,130
What time did court start
that day?
440
00:22:14,214 --> 00:22:15,673
9:30.
441
00:22:15,756 --> 00:22:19,714
Normally, your mom's there
at 9:00, 9:15.
442
00:22:19,798 --> 00:22:21,547
What was
my dad's demeanor like?
443
00:22:21,631 --> 00:22:23,172
I don't know
whether I could say
444
00:22:23,255 --> 00:22:25,673
that there was a change
in his demeanor,
445
00:22:25,756 --> 00:22:28,631
but there was no complaint
to me
446
00:22:28,714 --> 00:22:32,005
"from him or his lawyer
saying, "Where's your client?
447
00:22:32,089 --> 00:22:33,506
Why isn't she here?"
448
00:22:33,589 --> 00:22:36,506
And that is what struck me.
449
00:22:36,589 --> 00:22:39,839
But I should back up,
because...
450
00:22:39,923 --> 00:22:43,631
that suggests that I know
451
00:22:43,714 --> 00:22:46,673
that your father did something,
452
00:22:46,756 --> 00:22:48,172
which I do not know.
453
00:22:48,255 --> 00:22:49,714
He just was the prime suspect
454
00:22:49,798 --> 00:22:52,798
because of the circumstances
of that day.
455
00:22:56,089 --> 00:22:58,214
All parents have dreams.
456
00:22:58,297 --> 00:23:02,464
And they have definite ideas
of what they want you to be.
457
00:23:02,547 --> 00:23:06,172
It isn't easy with a father
who's never satisfied.
458
00:23:06,255 --> 00:23:08,005
Always wants you
a little different,
459
00:23:08,089 --> 00:23:09,964
a little better.
460
00:23:10,047 --> 00:23:13,214
More like his dream.
461
00:23:13,297 --> 00:23:15,214
From the time
that I met you,
462
00:23:15,297 --> 00:23:19,714
the relationship with your dad
was not good.
463
00:23:19,798 --> 00:23:23,089
You know, it was very...
464
00:23:23,172 --> 00:23:25,923
Controlling.
465
00:23:26,005 --> 00:23:27,381
I think you had
466
00:23:27,464 --> 00:23:29,381
a really close relationship
with your mom,
467
00:23:29,464 --> 00:23:33,881
probably closer
than most teenage boys.
468
00:23:33,964 --> 00:23:36,214
You were more like peers
in some ways,
469
00:23:36,297 --> 00:23:39,589
so you had a hard time
when she...
470
00:23:39,673 --> 00:23:42,673
tried to lay down the law
with you.
471
00:23:43,589 --> 00:23:45,714
You were using substances,
472
00:23:45,798 --> 00:23:49,714
and you were expelled
from school.
473
00:23:49,798 --> 00:23:51,589
Your dad got angry
474
00:23:51,673 --> 00:23:55,089
about a letter I had written
to the court
475
00:23:55,172 --> 00:23:58,422
that stated
that you didn't wanna live...
476
00:23:58,506 --> 00:24:00,923
Go to his house
477
00:24:01,005 --> 00:24:02,964
or spend time with him.
478
00:24:03,047 --> 00:24:06,422
He thought
that that was my opinion.
479
00:24:06,506 --> 00:24:09,422
So once we clarified, really,
480
00:24:09,506 --> 00:24:11,923
that I was stating something
481
00:24:12,005 --> 00:24:14,297
that you had stated,
482
00:24:14,381 --> 00:24:15,923
it was cleared up,
483
00:24:16,005 --> 00:24:19,339
but I got a subpoena
484
00:24:19,422 --> 00:24:22,047
from the law... from his lawyer.
485
00:24:22,130 --> 00:24:23,964
Yeah, I remember.
486
00:24:24,047 --> 00:24:26,464
He, like, freaked out.
487
00:24:26,547 --> 00:24:28,923
He, like, started,
like, attacking you, kinda.
488
00:24:29,005 --> 00:24:31,589
And then your mom called me
the next day.
489
00:24:33,172 --> 00:24:36,005
To tell me that you were
worried about me.
490
00:24:38,214 --> 00:24:42,255
That you didn't like the way
your dad was treating me.
491
00:24:42,339 --> 00:24:45,005
Can you talk about after?
492
00:24:45,089 --> 00:24:48,172
Like, the months
after the murder?
493
00:24:48,255 --> 00:24:50,130
You came to see me.
494
00:24:50,214 --> 00:24:53,839
You left school.
495
00:24:53,923 --> 00:24:56,297
And you came back to see me.
496
00:24:56,381 --> 00:24:59,255
Only for a few sessions though.
497
00:24:59,339 --> 00:25:02,964
Because, you know,
you were not in a place
498
00:25:03,047 --> 00:25:04,923
that you could function
in school.
499
00:25:05,005 --> 00:25:08,381
You were afraid
of, like, your own safety.
500
00:25:08,464 --> 00:25:10,547
And then shortly after,
501
00:25:10,631 --> 00:25:13,255
all communication
with your dad stopped.
502
00:25:16,005 --> 00:25:20,464
I knew that there were
things in your dad's history.
503
00:25:20,547 --> 00:25:22,589
- Hi.
Enough.
504
00:25:24,714 --> 00:25:26,839
Your mom told me
that he had been involved
505
00:25:26,923 --> 00:25:29,673
in something overseas.
506
00:25:29,756 --> 00:25:31,547
He had, I don't know
how many passports.
507
00:25:31,631 --> 00:25:33,506
Five?
508
00:25:33,589 --> 00:25:35,714
So it was a surprise.
509
00:25:35,798 --> 00:25:38,297
You know, to go from the CEO
of Southern Electric
510
00:25:38,381 --> 00:25:43,381
to a life that few people
could begin to understand.
511
00:25:43,464 --> 00:25:45,172
Electric energy
into the future.
512
00:25:47,297 --> 00:25:49,381
Can you hear your daddy?
513
00:25:50,798 --> 00:25:52,714
Where's Daddy?
514
00:25:54,130 --> 00:25:56,255
Where's Daddy?
515
00:26:03,381 --> 00:26:05,047
A first look
at Jeffrey Hamburg
516
00:26:05,130 --> 00:26:07,422
as he walks to court
this morning with his lawyer.
517
00:26:07,506 --> 00:26:09,255
This is his first
public appearance,
518
00:26:09,339 --> 00:26:11,381
at an alimony
and child support hearing,
519
00:26:11,464 --> 00:26:13,839
since his ex-wife
Barbara Beach-Hamburg
520
00:26:13,923 --> 00:26:16,214
was found murdered
earlier this month.
521
00:26:16,297 --> 00:26:17,756
The ex-husband has hired
522
00:26:17,839 --> 00:26:20,255
well-known criminal defense
lawyer Hugh Keefe...
523
00:26:20,339 --> 00:26:22,047
Lynch, Traube, Keefe,
& Errante handles
524
00:26:22,130 --> 00:26:23,631
all kinds of criminal cases;
525
00:26:23,714 --> 00:26:26,673
Murder, sexual assault,
kidnapping,
526
00:26:26,756 --> 00:26:30,005
embezzlement, tax evasion,
conspiracies.
527
00:26:30,089 --> 00:26:32,130
Your father immediately got
an attorney
528
00:26:32,214 --> 00:26:34,798
so that he wouldn't have to go
to the police.
529
00:26:34,881 --> 00:26:36,321
If I thought
I had something to hide,
530
00:26:36,339 --> 00:26:39,589
I wouldn't be wanting to talk
to the police.
531
00:26:39,673 --> 00:26:42,589
Police.
532
00:26:42,673 --> 00:26:45,047
This is
a routine support hearing.
533
00:26:45,130 --> 00:26:46,810
There are more police officers
than lawyers
534
00:26:46,881 --> 00:26:48,464
in that courtroom today.
535
00:26:48,547 --> 00:26:50,631
The police, when they have
a situation like this,
536
00:26:50,714 --> 00:26:52,255
automatically look
537
00:26:52,339 --> 00:26:54,547
at the spouse or ex-spouse.
538
00:26:54,631 --> 00:26:56,255
The attorney
that your dad hired,
539
00:26:56,339 --> 00:26:59,255
people were afraid of him
in the courtroom.
540
00:26:59,339 --> 00:27:00,589
He's pretty masterful.
541
00:27:00,673 --> 00:27:02,714
Keefe says
Hamburg gave police
542
00:27:02,798 --> 00:27:05,714
a sample of his DNA and hair
last week.
543
00:27:05,798 --> 00:27:07,756
I assume
everything came back negative,
544
00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:09,297
or he would've been arrested.
545
00:27:09,381 --> 00:27:11,422
Also at today's
post-divorce hearing,
546
00:27:11,506 --> 00:27:13,798
Barbara's sister,
Conway Beach.
547
00:27:13,881 --> 00:27:15,464
Have you spoken to Jeffrey
at all?
548
00:27:15,547 --> 00:27:18,964
No, I have not,
and that's all I have.
549
00:27:19,047 --> 00:27:21,130
Why do you think
the police haven't opened
550
00:27:21,214 --> 00:27:23,464
a case against my father
about the murder?
551
00:27:23,547 --> 00:27:25,589
I think the police were...
552
00:27:25,673 --> 00:27:27,202
Dropped the ball
on your mother's murder,
553
00:27:27,214 --> 00:27:28,798
if you want the truth.
554
00:27:31,464 --> 00:27:34,047
I mean, it's very difficult
to think of a small town
555
00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:38,506
like Madison
not being able to solve
556
00:27:38,589 --> 00:27:40,964
this egregious crime.
557
00:27:41,047 --> 00:27:42,172
It sounds like there was
558
00:27:42,255 --> 00:27:44,631
a sort of screw-up
or something with the DNA.
559
00:27:44,714 --> 00:27:46,214
I'm not really sure.
560
00:27:47,589 --> 00:27:50,589
We were asked as a family
to wait to run the DNA
561
00:27:50,673 --> 00:27:53,464
because apparently there was
a new DNA lab being built,
562
00:27:53,547 --> 00:27:56,172
and it was gonna be the best.
563
00:27:56,255 --> 00:27:58,214
Good afternoon,
ladies and gentlemen.
564
00:27:58,297 --> 00:28:00,214
It is a pleasure to be here
in Meriden
565
00:28:00,297 --> 00:28:02,339
to celebrate the groundbreaking
566
00:28:02,422 --> 00:28:05,130
for the state
forensic science laboratory.
567
00:28:05,214 --> 00:28:07,381
Connecticut is a known leader
568
00:28:07,464 --> 00:28:09,381
in the field
of forensic science,
569
00:28:09,464 --> 00:28:13,339
and this project will
reinforce this distinction.
570
00:28:13,422 --> 00:28:14,464
So we waited
571
00:28:14,547 --> 00:28:16,881
for this new DNA lab
to be built.
572
00:28:16,964 --> 00:28:20,339
We believe we are
the premiere laboratory
573
00:28:20,422 --> 00:28:22,547
in the United States
and in the world.
574
00:28:22,631 --> 00:28:27,005
They ran the DNA and...
575
00:28:27,089 --> 00:28:30,798
the DNA kit was faulty.
576
00:28:31,631 --> 00:28:34,506
And the difference
between verdicts of guilty
577
00:28:34,589 --> 00:28:38,339
and verdicts of not guilty
depends to a great extent
578
00:28:38,422 --> 00:28:42,005
upon the integrity
of a laboratory such as ours.
579
00:28:42,089 --> 00:28:43,881
Now, the state crime lab
is under
580
00:28:43,964 --> 00:28:45,714
some extra pressure right now
581
00:28:45,798 --> 00:28:49,005
because a recent audit
of its DNA processes
582
00:28:49,089 --> 00:28:50,756
came up with some problems,
583
00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:55,089
and its accreditation
also has expired.
584
00:28:55,172 --> 00:28:56,714
To be quite honest
with you, Madison,
585
00:28:56,798 --> 00:28:59,839
I don't even know
if there is any DNA left.
586
00:28:59,923 --> 00:29:02,464
And it scares the shit
out of me.
587
00:29:03,464 --> 00:29:05,714
After the medical examiner
finished,
588
00:29:05,798 --> 00:29:07,172
she was cremated.
589
00:29:07,255 --> 00:29:10,756
I mean,
that's a family tradition.
590
00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:12,214
Knowing what I know now,
591
00:29:12,297 --> 00:29:14,089
one should wait
a little longer
592
00:29:14,172 --> 00:29:17,547
until all evidence has been
collected properly
593
00:29:17,631 --> 00:29:19,047
before you cremate them,
594
00:29:19,130 --> 00:29:23,130
because DNA is
so important now.
595
00:29:30,464 --> 00:29:33,047
Yeah.
596
00:29:33,130 --> 00:29:35,339
Somebody's missing something.
597
00:29:38,172 --> 00:29:41,464
Cases can be solved
without DNA.
598
00:29:41,547 --> 00:29:42,923
There's been some scuttlebutt
599
00:29:43,005 --> 00:29:44,756
about the Madison
Police Department being
600
00:29:44,839 --> 00:29:46,422
less than ethical
601
00:29:46,506 --> 00:29:50,172
that I think
needs to be investigated.
602
00:29:51,464 --> 00:29:52,702
As you know,
the state's attorney
603
00:29:52,714 --> 00:29:54,714
now investigating
the ongoings here
604
00:29:54,798 --> 00:29:56,214
at the Madison
Police Department.
605
00:29:56,297 --> 00:29:57,417
Instead of making arrests,
606
00:29:57,464 --> 00:30:00,297
two Madison police officers are
placed under arrest.
607
00:30:00,381 --> 00:30:02,631
Three police officers
have been fired.
608
00:30:02,714 --> 00:30:05,214
Officers were allegedly
meeting with prostitutes,
609
00:30:05,297 --> 00:30:08,130
frequenting strip clubs
and massage parlors,
610
00:30:08,214 --> 00:30:09,964
and establishing
a motorcycle gang.
611
00:30:10,047 --> 00:30:11,798
Conversation
at the coffee shop
612
00:30:11,881 --> 00:30:13,714
is often about bad cops.
613
00:30:13,798 --> 00:30:16,631
People here are tired
of the little bit of corruption
614
00:30:16,714 --> 00:30:18,964
that keeps cropping up
in the police department.
615
00:30:19,047 --> 00:30:21,464
Madison Police Officer is
stripped of his badge.
616
00:30:21,547 --> 00:30:24,172
Suspended and arrested
for abusing police data...
617
00:30:24,255 --> 00:30:26,506
Charged with stealing
seafood from a restaurant...
618
00:30:26,589 --> 00:30:30,631
Now accused of stealing
gasoline from the town pump.
619
00:30:30,714 --> 00:30:32,964
It's a concern
620
00:30:33,047 --> 00:30:36,130
when the people
that you trust to...
621
00:30:36,214 --> 00:30:37,756
to take care of things
622
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:40,839
are less than honest
themselves.
623
00:30:40,964 --> 00:30:42,339
I have no proof of that.
624
00:30:42,422 --> 00:30:45,172
Only a lot of...
625
00:30:45,255 --> 00:30:46,756
concern.
626
00:30:49,631 --> 00:30:51,964
This is the town
you will grow up in.
627
00:30:52,047 --> 00:30:53,798
A nice, warm world.
628
00:30:53,881 --> 00:30:56,464
A happy, secure community.
629
00:30:56,547 --> 00:30:58,714
An atmosphere
that prepares you
630
00:30:58,798 --> 00:31:01,172
to find your place
in the world with confidence
631
00:31:01,255 --> 00:31:03,422
and the best use
of your abilities.
632
00:31:14,756 --> 00:31:16,422
- Hey.
It's Madison.
633
00:31:18,130 --> 00:31:20,339
I told you before
I'm doing a documentary
634
00:31:20,422 --> 00:31:24,214
on my mother for a class.
635
00:31:24,297 --> 00:31:26,881
And I was just seeing
636
00:31:26,964 --> 00:31:28,714
if there was any way
I could get
637
00:31:28,798 --> 00:31:30,547
an interview with someone
638
00:31:30,631 --> 00:31:34,255
just about... just to go over,
like, what the crime scene...
639
00:31:34,339 --> 00:31:38,047
Or something that I can use
for my documentary.
640
00:31:38,130 --> 00:31:39,130
Um...
641
00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:45,005
Okay.
642
00:31:50,923 --> 00:31:52,130
Right.
643
00:32:09,047 --> 00:32:10,297
Okay.
644
00:32:18,506 --> 00:32:20,923
- Yeah. Yeah.
Absolutely.
645
00:32:21,964 --> 00:32:24,130
Okay.
646
00:32:24,214 --> 00:32:25,964
He doesn't know
if we can do an interview,
647
00:32:26,047 --> 00:32:29,089
but, like, what if, um...
648
00:32:29,172 --> 00:32:32,798
I'm going in for questioning
on Friday.
649
00:32:32,881 --> 00:32:36,130
What if I, like, brought in
a recorder?
650
00:32:36,214 --> 00:32:38,089
Risky.
651
00:32:38,172 --> 00:32:40,464
Well, I could record it
with my phone.
652
00:32:40,547 --> 00:32:43,255
Risky.
653
00:32:43,339 --> 00:32:45,005
It'd be worth it.
654
00:32:45,089 --> 00:32:46,089
Yeah, it would.
655
00:32:46,172 --> 00:32:48,756
See what kinda questions
they're asking you.
656
00:32:57,005 --> 00:33:01,422
Madison, what brings us
to the police station today?
657
00:33:01,506 --> 00:33:05,089
I am about
to get interrogated.
658
00:33:06,923 --> 00:33:08,964
It's just one
of the many things
659
00:33:09,047 --> 00:33:11,839
that I have to put up with
660
00:33:11,923 --> 00:33:14,756
since someone...
661
00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:17,214
came and killed my mother.
662
00:33:28,798 --> 00:33:29,839
Hi. Can I help you?
663
00:33:29,923 --> 00:33:32,172
Hey, I'm here to see
Detective Mulhern.
664
00:33:32,255 --> 00:33:34,047
- Your name, please?
- Madison.
665
00:33:34,130 --> 00:33:35,839
- Madison?
- Yeah.
666
00:33:35,923 --> 00:33:37,464
Is that your last name
or first name?
667
00:33:37,547 --> 00:33:38,993
- It's my first name.
- And your last name?
668
00:33:39,005 --> 00:33:40,214
Hamburg.
669
00:33:40,297 --> 00:33:41,857
Okay, I'll tell them
that you're here.
670
00:33:41,923 --> 00:33:43,089
Okay. Thank you.
671
00:33:49,255 --> 00:33:51,881
I don't even know if I'm,
like, prepared for this.
672
00:35:10,506 --> 00:35:11,506
Mm-hmm.
673
00:37:16,506 --> 00:37:17,506
Uh, good.
674
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:18,881
I mean...
675
00:37:18,964 --> 00:37:21,339
they don't wanna
give us anything,
676
00:37:21,422 --> 00:37:24,255
but they want the doc.
677
00:37:24,339 --> 00:37:26,714
They want, like,
all of our files.
678
00:37:26,798 --> 00:37:29,214
What would it help them?
679
00:37:29,297 --> 00:37:32,756
They think that, like,
people would tell us things
680
00:37:32,839 --> 00:37:35,089
in interviews
that they wouldn't tell them.
681
00:37:44,005 --> 00:37:47,255
- Hey. How's it going?
- Hey. What's going on?
682
00:37:47,339 --> 00:37:49,923
Nothing, I just gotta
catch up with you, that's all.
683
00:37:50,005 --> 00:37:51,255
Yeah.
684
00:37:51,339 --> 00:37:52,756
I wanted to ask
685
00:37:52,839 --> 00:37:56,381
if you talked
to your attorney again.
686
00:37:56,464 --> 00:37:58,214
Yeah, I can't.
687
00:37:58,297 --> 00:38:00,589
I can't.
There's no way.
688
00:38:00,673 --> 00:38:01,673
Sorry about that.
689
00:38:01,714 --> 00:38:05,047
What's, like, the main reason
you can't...
690
00:38:05,130 --> 00:38:06,452
Madison,
I just can't discuss it.
691
00:38:06,464 --> 00:38:10,047
It's just...
It's a unqualified no, so...
692
00:38:11,714 --> 00:38:14,798
Dad, can, like, I ask you
some questions?
693
00:38:14,881 --> 00:38:16,130
No. No.
694
00:38:16,214 --> 00:38:17,923
No, let's just leave it
at that.
695
00:38:18,005 --> 00:38:20,756
I just wanna know why...
696
00:38:20,839 --> 00:38:23,130
Why that I can't...
697
00:38:23,214 --> 00:38:25,297
Why you can't even just talk
to me.
698
00:38:25,381 --> 00:38:26,839
I know
you wanna know answers,
699
00:38:26,923 --> 00:38:29,923
and I know you wanna know
about your mom
700
00:38:30,005 --> 00:38:32,297
and her life
and all that stuff.
701
00:38:32,381 --> 00:38:34,422
I just... it's just not...
702
00:38:34,506 --> 00:38:37,172
Maybe in years ahead,
we can have this conversation,
703
00:38:37,255 --> 00:38:38,422
but not now.
704
00:38:47,047 --> 00:38:50,255
I just don't think
that's fair.
705
00:38:50,339 --> 00:38:53,047
- Yeah.
A lot of things aren't fair.
706
00:38:54,047 --> 00:38:55,881
I'm sorry.
707
00:38:55,964 --> 00:38:57,798
I don't think
that you're sorry.
708
00:38:57,881 --> 00:39:01,047
Okay, well, you can
believe me or not believe me.
709
00:39:01,130 --> 00:39:02,297
It's your choice.
710
00:39:09,422 --> 00:39:11,589
Do you want this case
to get solved?
711
00:39:11,673 --> 00:39:13,589
Madison,
I'm not going to answer
712
00:39:13,673 --> 00:39:15,464
any more questions about it.
713
00:39:15,547 --> 00:39:16,702
At this point...
At this point...
714
00:39:16,714 --> 00:39:18,631
As far as I'm concerned,
I cannot answer any...
715
00:39:18,714 --> 00:39:20,673
Madison, I can't answer
any more questions.
716
00:39:20,756 --> 00:39:23,756
At this point, I honestly,
in my honest opinion,
717
00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:26,798
don't know if you want
this case to be solved.
718
00:39:28,047 --> 00:39:32,005
If... I don't know if you care
more about covering yourself
719
00:39:32,089 --> 00:39:34,964
than this case being solved,
which doesn't make any sense,
720
00:39:35,047 --> 00:39:37,964
'cause if this case is solved
and if you're innocent...
721
00:39:38,047 --> 00:39:40,089
- I have nothing to add.
I have nothing to add.
722
00:39:40,172 --> 00:39:42,339
I have no knowledge
of your mother's life,
723
00:39:42,422 --> 00:39:44,547
uh, really.
724
00:39:44,631 --> 00:39:46,673
You were married to her
for 13 years.
725
00:39:46,756 --> 00:39:49,118
- Well, yeah, but I have no...
- And you were dealing with...
726
00:39:49,130 --> 00:39:51,130
I have no...
I don't know anything.
727
00:39:51,214 --> 00:39:54,422
How do you expect me
to trust you?
728
00:39:56,339 --> 00:39:58,839
Madison, that's a decision
you have to make.
729
00:39:58,923 --> 00:40:00,047
- Is it?
Is it?
730
00:40:00,130 --> 00:40:03,547
It's a decision
based on your secrecy.
731
00:40:03,631 --> 00:40:05,160
Madison, it's a decision...
It's a decision
732
00:40:05,172 --> 00:40:06,089
that you have to make.
733
00:40:06,172 --> 00:40:07,692
I would hope
that you would understand,
734
00:40:07,714 --> 00:40:10,339
but if you don't, you don't.
735
00:40:10,422 --> 00:40:11,619
I mean, that's your decision.
736
00:40:11,631 --> 00:40:16,047
Maybe one day, you'll get
the courage together to...
737
00:40:16,130 --> 00:40:18,881
to face this stuff
and change something,
738
00:40:18,964 --> 00:40:21,589
but until then, that's...
739
00:40:21,673 --> 00:40:23,798
You're gonna stay
in the same spot.
740
00:40:23,881 --> 00:40:27,381
Because that's... you are
one of the main pieces
741
00:40:27,464 --> 00:40:29,381
that's stopping everything.
742
00:40:37,964 --> 00:40:39,547
I guess that I gotta...
743
00:40:39,631 --> 00:40:42,255
I have other things
I gotta do today.
744
00:40:42,339 --> 00:40:43,839
Okay.
745
00:40:43,923 --> 00:40:45,881
- All right.
- Yeah. Bye.
746
00:40:45,964 --> 00:40:47,089
Bye.
747
00:40:54,047 --> 00:40:55,673
I tried.
I mean...
748
00:41:02,005 --> 00:41:04,756
He doesn't wanna...
749
00:41:04,839 --> 00:41:06,422
doesn't wanna help.
750
00:41:06,506 --> 00:41:09,756
Doesn't want anything
to change.
751
00:41:28,506 --> 00:41:31,506
This is where I found
my sister murdered.
752
00:41:33,923 --> 00:41:35,673
He's here, Barbie.
753
00:41:41,881 --> 00:41:44,005
I guess all I wanna say is
I love you.
754
00:41:44,089 --> 00:41:45,339
Mm.
755
00:41:48,547 --> 00:41:50,631
And I'm gonna do
whatever I can
756
00:41:50,714 --> 00:41:52,631
to find out
what happened to you.
757
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:13,839
My mom's been dead
for six years.
758
00:42:13,923 --> 00:42:16,673
Nothing's happened
with the case.
759
00:42:16,756 --> 00:42:18,089
I thought it would hold me back
760
00:42:18,172 --> 00:42:19,673
from, you know,
my immediate goals.
761
00:42:19,756 --> 00:42:21,964
I was wrapped up with school.
762
00:42:22,047 --> 00:42:24,255
We were kinda waiting for...
763
00:42:27,422 --> 00:42:29,339
Like, some sort of...
Someone to come forward.
764
00:42:29,422 --> 00:42:31,464
Some sort of momentum.
765
00:42:33,673 --> 00:42:35,547
And I feel like
if I don't do it,
766
00:42:35,631 --> 00:42:37,839
that if I don't cause,
767
00:42:37,923 --> 00:42:42,214
like, a reason
for people to notice,
768
00:42:42,297 --> 00:42:44,297
it's just gonna stay
what it is.
769
00:42:48,089 --> 00:42:49,339
To go back?
770
00:42:51,464 --> 00:42:53,339
I don't think
I can ever be prepared
771
00:42:53,422 --> 00:42:56,756
to fully go back
to that place.
772
00:42:56,839 --> 00:43:00,631
But I feel like
this is a second chance
773
00:43:00,714 --> 00:43:04,005
to actually face
what was happening
774
00:43:04,089 --> 00:43:06,589
and not run away from it
like I was.
775
00:43:19,506 --> 00:43:22,422
We have to figure out
where I'm gonna walk.
776
00:43:22,506 --> 00:43:23,986
Where do you think
he would walk to?
777
00:43:24,047 --> 00:43:25,756
- Back to the subway.
- Back to the subway?
778
00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:27,214
So you should walk
the other way.
779
00:43:27,297 --> 00:43:29,255
So he can't
follow you anywhere.
780
00:43:29,339 --> 00:43:30,547
Yeah.
781
00:43:30,631 --> 00:43:32,756
When was the last time
you guys saw each other?
782
00:43:32,839 --> 00:43:34,923
Like, I honestly
can't remember.
783
00:43:35,005 --> 00:43:36,923
So we're here.
784
00:43:37,005 --> 00:43:38,452
The restaurant
that they're meeting in
785
00:43:38,464 --> 00:43:40,464
is across the street
over there,
786
00:43:40,547 --> 00:43:43,756
probably, I don't know,
787
00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:46,297
30 yards away.
788
00:43:46,381 --> 00:43:49,714
Loop it, and then you could
tape it somewhere if you want.
789
00:43:49,798 --> 00:43:50,798
Talk.
790
00:43:50,839 --> 00:43:53,172
Hello, hello, hello.
791
00:43:55,923 --> 00:43:58,964
I can't fucking...
792
00:43:59,047 --> 00:44:01,506
Okay, I'll give him this.
793
00:44:01,589 --> 00:44:02,964
Kay.
794
00:44:07,214 --> 00:44:08,631
Oh.
795
00:44:08,714 --> 00:44:10,297
Sorry.
796
00:44:10,381 --> 00:44:11,839
How are you feeling, Madison?
797
00:44:11,923 --> 00:44:13,923
Pretty... pretty weird.
798
00:44:20,464 --> 00:44:21,798
- There he is.
There he is.
799
00:44:21,881 --> 00:44:23,255
Shh.
800
00:47:35,923 --> 00:47:38,923
Okay.
801
00:47:46,547 --> 00:47:48,172
That was really stressful
for me,
802
00:47:48,255 --> 00:47:50,673
and I felt it
leading up to it,
803
00:47:50,756 --> 00:47:52,964
and that entire time,
my heart was racing.
804
00:47:57,422 --> 00:47:59,130
- Are we rolling?
- Yep.
805
00:47:59,214 --> 00:48:00,839
Yes.
806
00:48:00,923 --> 00:48:04,214
I'd never had a beer
with my dad.
807
00:48:04,297 --> 00:48:05,756
First time.
808
00:48:09,214 --> 00:48:10,506
I wanna show you something.
809
00:48:12,673 --> 00:48:14,005
This is my, like,
810
00:48:14,089 --> 00:48:17,547
memories thing.
811
00:48:17,631 --> 00:48:21,839
This is pretty much
what I have left.
812
00:48:24,464 --> 00:48:26,422
Wait, what's that from?
813
00:48:26,506 --> 00:48:28,130
The crematorium.
814
00:48:36,297 --> 00:48:37,589
It's weird,
815
00:48:37,673 --> 00:48:41,255
like, thinking about someone
so close to you
816
00:48:41,339 --> 00:48:43,798
as, like, remains.
817
00:48:48,339 --> 00:48:50,089
It's a piece of history,
I guess.
818
00:48:50,172 --> 00:48:51,756
From my history.
819
00:49:01,673 --> 00:49:04,673
I got you.
820
00:49:06,381 --> 00:49:09,756
After the funeral,
I had this dream.
821
00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:11,923
I was at this dinner,
822
00:49:12,005 --> 00:49:14,422
and I'm looking at this woman,
823
00:49:14,506 --> 00:49:17,964
and I realize that's my mom.
824
00:49:18,047 --> 00:49:20,422
And her hair is long
825
00:49:20,506 --> 00:49:24,714
and I'm like,
"Mom, you're beautiful."
826
00:49:24,798 --> 00:49:27,964
And she's just like,
827
00:49:28,047 --> 00:49:31,756
"Your hair keeps growing
after you die."
828
00:49:34,714 --> 00:49:36,798
The only regret
I think I could ever have...
829
00:49:38,506 --> 00:49:41,130
She came down to visit
and I went on a date
830
00:49:41,214 --> 00:49:44,089
instead of seeing her.
831
00:49:44,172 --> 00:49:45,339
She came down to see me.
832
00:49:45,422 --> 00:49:47,964
She came down
on Valentine's Day.
833
00:49:48,047 --> 00:49:49,130
This one's to Maddie.
834
00:49:49,214 --> 00:49:50,923
Aww.
835
00:49:51,005 --> 00:49:53,005
Happy first Valentine.
836
00:49:53,089 --> 00:49:54,464
Is that pretty?
837
00:49:54,547 --> 00:49:56,297
It's a heart.
838
00:49:56,381 --> 00:49:58,464
I talked to her
the night before.
839
00:50:02,047 --> 00:50:05,297
And I told her I loved her
and that I was sorry
840
00:50:05,381 --> 00:50:07,923
about Valentine's Day.
841
00:50:10,089 --> 00:50:14,673
How could... you know,
how could I talk to her,
842
00:50:14,756 --> 00:50:17,756
and within hours...
843
00:50:20,923 --> 00:50:22,547
She's murdered?
844
00:50:30,881 --> 00:50:33,339
Growing up,
845
00:50:33,422 --> 00:50:36,047
your parents are your heroes.
846
00:50:36,130 --> 00:50:38,089
My mother was a superhero.
847
00:50:39,464 --> 00:50:42,631
When people get to adulthood,
848
00:50:42,714 --> 00:50:45,339
they get to meet their parents
849
00:50:45,422 --> 00:50:47,673
as human beings,
850
00:50:47,756 --> 00:50:50,255
and I didn't have that.
851
00:50:51,798 --> 00:50:53,589
I need to meet that person.
852
00:50:55,756 --> 00:50:57,881
And this is the only way
to do that.
853
00:51:06,631 --> 00:51:08,339
So many baseball cards.
854
00:51:13,673 --> 00:51:14,547
Hey.
855
00:51:14,631 --> 00:51:15,756
How's it going?
856
00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:16,881
Okay.
857
00:51:16,964 --> 00:51:19,339
I'd like to hear from you
more often.
858
00:51:19,422 --> 00:51:21,214
Do you get worried about me
or something?
859
00:51:21,297 --> 00:51:24,047
- Yeah, of course I do.
You're my son.
860
00:51:24,130 --> 00:51:26,172
I'm worried about you.
861
00:51:26,255 --> 00:51:28,297
I'm even worried
about your sister.
862
00:51:28,381 --> 00:51:30,381
I never stopped loving her.
863
00:51:30,464 --> 00:51:32,381
Still my daughter.
864
00:51:32,464 --> 00:51:35,547
The past six years have been
so crazy
865
00:51:35,631 --> 00:51:37,923
that, like, I wish
I could just
866
00:51:38,005 --> 00:51:39,297
do something about it.
867
00:51:39,381 --> 00:51:41,631
I just don't know
what that is, you know?
868
00:51:41,714 --> 00:51:43,714
Well, you're old enough
to realize
869
00:51:43,798 --> 00:51:45,964
that there really are
two sides to the story.
870
00:51:46,047 --> 00:51:48,631
Mom's side of the family
were... blame somebody,
871
00:51:48,714 --> 00:51:50,547
so they're probably trying
to blame me.
872
00:51:50,631 --> 00:51:52,547
But that doesn't fit
the facts.
873
00:51:52,631 --> 00:51:54,631
I wasn't there.
874
00:51:54,714 --> 00:51:56,594
You can't get an answer
if you don't have people
875
00:51:56,673 --> 00:51:59,005
looking in the right places.
876
00:51:59,089 --> 00:52:00,923
They're not looking
internally,
877
00:52:01,005 --> 00:52:04,255
to Jill and to Conway.
878
00:52:04,339 --> 00:52:05,952
I know your aunts have been
very good to you,
879
00:52:05,964 --> 00:52:09,547
but they were both involved
in the other possibility.
880
00:52:09,631 --> 00:52:11,422
Women's gifting circles.
881
00:52:11,506 --> 00:52:13,422
- Gifting tables...
- Gifting circle...
882
00:52:13,506 --> 00:52:15,673
They're what prosecutors
nationwide have called
883
00:52:15,756 --> 00:52:18,464
a pyramid scheme.
884
00:52:18,547 --> 00:52:20,381
Your aunt Jill, to me,
gets a lot
885
00:52:20,464 --> 00:52:22,214
of the potential blame here,
886
00:52:22,297 --> 00:52:23,923
'cause she got your mother
into it,
887
00:52:24,005 --> 00:52:25,673
and your mother was in it
in a big way
888
00:52:25,756 --> 00:52:26,798
as a leader.
889
00:52:26,881 --> 00:52:29,130
Two women found guilty
back in February
890
00:52:29,214 --> 00:52:30,130
of running the table,
891
00:52:30,214 --> 00:52:31,798
55-year-old Donna Bello
892
00:52:31,881 --> 00:52:34,506
and 64-year-old Jill Platt
of Guilford.
893
00:52:34,589 --> 00:52:37,047
Now these women are charged
with federal wire fraud
894
00:52:37,130 --> 00:52:39,464
and filing false tax returns.
895
00:52:39,547 --> 00:52:40,923
What's the motive?
896
00:52:41,005 --> 00:52:42,339
Money.
897
00:52:42,422 --> 00:52:47,297
Losses to victims totaled
more than $1 million.
898
00:52:47,381 --> 00:52:49,255
Somebody was threatening
your mom.
899
00:52:49,339 --> 00:52:50,661
And the way
that police handled it,
900
00:52:50,673 --> 00:52:52,130
it was just awful.
901
00:52:52,214 --> 00:52:54,673
New evidence came up
and they just ignored it.
902
00:52:54,756 --> 00:52:56,077
Anyway, I don't wanna talk
about it,
903
00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:57,952
'cause she... it'll be
disparaging about your mother,
904
00:52:57,964 --> 00:52:59,577
and I don't wanna talk ill
about the dead.
905
00:52:59,589 --> 00:53:01,005
But all I know is that it's...
906
00:53:01,089 --> 00:53:02,089
It ruined my life
907
00:53:02,130 --> 00:53:05,798
and continuing
to ruin my life.
908
00:53:06,923 --> 00:53:09,172
I wish there was something
909
00:53:09,255 --> 00:53:11,714
to do about it.
910
00:53:11,798 --> 00:53:14,547
At the end of the day,
there's nothing you can do.
911
00:53:14,631 --> 00:53:16,005
We're not investigators.
912
00:53:18,798 --> 00:53:20,714
Why would someone wanna kill
my mom?
913
00:53:20,798 --> 00:53:23,673
- I don't know.
The body was covered.
914
00:53:23,756 --> 00:53:27,214
And usually, that shows remorse
by the person who did this.
915
00:53:27,297 --> 00:53:29,506
You know, we don't want anybody
to see this.
916
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:33,381
I see that as something
very personal.
917
00:53:33,464 --> 00:53:35,839
Could the murderer be
someone that we...
918
00:53:35,923 --> 00:53:37,005
It could be any of us
919
00:53:37,089 --> 00:53:39,214
that you're talking to
right now.
920
00:53:39,297 --> 00:53:42,547
Maybe whoever you speak to
921
00:53:42,631 --> 00:53:44,756
might get a conscience
922
00:53:44,839 --> 00:53:46,422
and maybe come out with it,
923
00:53:46,506 --> 00:53:48,464
'cause they've been sick
of living with it.
924
00:53:48,547 --> 00:53:50,172
Who knows?
925
00:53:50,255 --> 00:53:52,130
Anything is possible.
926
00:53:53,714 --> 00:53:56,005
Somebody somewhere
927
00:53:56,089 --> 00:53:58,464
knows something.
928
00:54:05,464 --> 00:54:08,005
You got the ball?
929
00:54:08,089 --> 00:54:10,673
Yeah.
930
00:54:10,756 --> 00:54:11,673
- Here.
- Ball?
931
00:54:11,756 --> 00:54:13,255
- Here.
- Red ball?
932
00:54:13,339 --> 00:54:15,339
- Yep.
Ali.
933
00:54:19,506 --> 00:54:21,130
Madison got on the ball.
934
00:54:23,005 --> 00:54:25,756
And?
935
00:54:25,839 --> 00:54:28,297
Nice throw, Maddie.
936
00:54:28,381 --> 00:54:31,589
Can you give the ball to Mom?
You wanna play?
937
00:54:48,506 --> 00:54:50,089
Flowers?
938
00:54:50,172 --> 00:54:51,589
You gonna get the flowers?
939
00:54:51,673 --> 00:54:52,798
Okay.
940
00:54:52,881 --> 00:54:55,422
Get the flowers.
941
00:54:55,506 --> 00:54:56,923
Oh.
942
00:54:57,005 --> 00:54:58,714
Aww.
943
00:54:58,798 --> 00:55:00,798
Pretty flowers.
944
00:55:03,214 --> 00:55:04,631
Madison got on the ball.
945
00:55:06,714 --> 00:55:09,673
And?
946
00:55:09,756 --> 00:55:13,422
Nice throw, Maddie.
947
00:55:39,839 --> 00:55:40,993
I hope
I'm not disturbing you
948
00:55:41,005 --> 00:55:42,035
with any of the questions.
949
00:55:42,047 --> 00:55:43,673
No.
I mean, I don't wanna be
950
00:55:43,756 --> 00:55:45,589
the one to drop the bombs here,
you know?
951
00:55:46,297 --> 00:55:47,923
I'm ready for bombs.
952
00:55:49,673 --> 00:55:52,005
The focus should be,
was there something else
953
00:55:52,089 --> 00:55:53,089
going on?
954
00:55:53,214 --> 00:55:54,756
Is there something
that we're missing?
955
00:55:55,089 --> 00:55:58,130
With the gifting tables, you
joined with a 5,000 dollar gift.
956
00:55:58,798 --> 00:56:01,673
The gifting table was
a pyramid scheme.
957
00:56:01,756 --> 00:56:03,047
It got out of control.
958
00:56:03,631 --> 00:56:06,673
Some people can get to a point
where they can snap.
959
00:56:06,923 --> 00:56:08,631
You
and my mother witnessed
960
00:56:08,714 --> 00:56:12,005
a man wearing a ski mask
walk though our yard?
961
00:56:12,089 --> 00:56:14,422
It was the day before
she was murdered.
962
00:56:15,214 --> 00:56:16,297
Oh my god.
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