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Excuse my breath.
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I just ran out here to,
bring you this news.
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The President
of the United States
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has terminated
the director of the FBI,
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James Comey.
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As we get more here,
we'll bring it to you,
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but at this point,
a bombshell at the White House.
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James Comey is out.
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Well, we've been
watching as James Comey
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got off with his motorcade,
making his way
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from the Westwood offices
of the FBI.
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He got the information
this afternoon
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that he has been relieved
of his duties.
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Comey would become
only the second FBI director
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in the history of the bureau
to be fired.
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I just spoke to a senior
official a short time ago
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who said they had
no idea this was happening.
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The other major
complicating factor here
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is the fact that the FBI
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is investigating
any possible collusion
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between members of
the Trump campaign team
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and Russia, and now the head
of the FBI has been fired.
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I found out
through The New York Times,
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getting an alert on my phone.
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I remember thinking,
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you know,
"Has my phone been hacked?
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Is this a joke?"
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James.
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The idea that
the president would fire
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an FBI director,
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middle of
the Russia investigation,
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is unthinkable.
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This was a target
of an FBI investigation
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trying to choose the person
who was investigating them.
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And what kind
of constitutional problem
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does that present?
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A huge one.
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I think everyone realized
that we were
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coming into unprecedented
political territory.
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Comey's got
the FBI Gulfstream plane
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out there in Los Angeles.
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There's an O.J. moment
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where you've got a helicopter
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following this plane
down the tarmac.
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Comey gets into
the plane and settles back,
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uncorks some red wine,
pours it into a paper cup,
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looks down over
the United States
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as evening settles in,
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thinking, "What the hell
just happened?"
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I, Ronald Reagan...
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William Jefferson Clinton...
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Do solemnly swear...
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Do solemnly swear...
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...and will,
to the best of my ability...
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...preserve,
protect, and defend...
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...the Constitution
of the United States.
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I know
that when you were fired,
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you say in the book
that, when--
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when it was over, you,
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flew back on a plane
to the East Coast...
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Drinking Pinot Noir
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out of a paper cup,
so I thought maybe
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we could re-create that
happy moment for you right now.
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- To the truth.
- Yes, to the truth.
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Breaking news tonight:
we have our first look
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at fired FBI director
James Comey's much-anticipated
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tell-all book,
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a window into his interactions
with President Trump.
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James Comey starts
a media tour
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to promote his new book.
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Our guest tonight
is James Comey.
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...former FBI director,
James Comey.
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James Comey.
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It's all right, y'all.
It's all right.
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Our president must
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adhere to the values
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that are the core
of this country,
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the most important being truth.
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This president is
not able to do that.
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He is morally unfit
to be president.
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Comey holds little back.
It is a scathing indictment.
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This president is
"untethered to truth
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and institutional values,"
Comey writes.
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"His leadership
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is transactional,
ego-driven"...
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..."and about
personal loyalty.
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I'm writing at a time of
great anxiety in my country.
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I understand the anxiety.
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Donald Trump's presidency
threatens
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much of what is good
in this nation."
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A lot of people
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were suspicious of Jim
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as a moralistic,
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pious showboater.
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This is nothing more
than a poorly executed
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PR stunt by Comey
to desperately rehabilitate
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his tattered reputation.
-Sarah?
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There's a lot of room
for disagreement about that.
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He is raising a moral and
political and legal alarm...
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Right.
-About the health
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of our institutions--
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about the effect of
our president on them.
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Do you think people tied
to President Trump
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colluded with the Russians?
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"I don't know"
is the honest answer.
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This is a big
mistake, this book!
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There is no collusion
with me--
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All right.
-And Russia!
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And our Justice Department,
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they have this witch hunt...
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Trump is trying
to muddy the legitimacy
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of Bob Mueller's
Russia investigation,
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and to turn this into
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the public appearance
of a partisan witch hunt.
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One of the biggest political
witch hunts in the history
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of this country.
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Robert Mueller
is on a Jihad of some sort.
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"Mr. Mueller,
end the witch hunt."
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"I don't know whether
the special counsel will find
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criminal wrongdoing
by the president
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or others
who have not been charged
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as of this writing.
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One of the pivotal questions
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I presume Bob Mueller's team
is investigating
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is whether or not,
in firing me,
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President Trump was attempting
to obstruct justice,
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which is a federal crime.
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I've prosecuted
and overseen many cases
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involving obstruction
of justice,
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but in this case,
I'm a witness."
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Comey and Mueller
are confronting
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the most powerful man
on the face of the Earth
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in the most politically charged
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investigation of a president
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in American history.
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These guys aren't pals.
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But they are allies.
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They have worked together
with great effect
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in the past
in confronting
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presidential power when it goes
beyond the scope of the law.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
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the President
of the United States,
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accompanied by Bob Mueller.
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The heart and soul
of the FBI is keeping
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the trust and confidence
of the American people,
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being an investigative agency
that's not corruptible.
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Mr. President.
-It was a point
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Mueller used to make
when he was director.
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I am deeply honored
by the trust
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that President Bush has
shown in nominating me
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to head the Federal Bureau
of Investigation.
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Bob Mueller was the symbol
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of a non-partisan individual
who keeps his head down,
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follows the facts
wherever they lead,
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and doesn't care about
making a name for himself.
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The FBI is the foremost
law enforcement agency
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in the world.
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The only political appointee
at the FBI
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is the director of the FBI.
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Thank you all for coming.
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That's traditionally
been a ten-year term
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to cross two terms
of a president,
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to make it clear
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that the FBI director
shouldn't be accountable
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to one party or the other,
but independent.
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Bob Mueller became
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the head of the FBI
a week before
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the September 11th attacks
in 2001.
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And you can imagine what
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his second week
at work was like.
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On the morning
of September 11th,
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Bob Mueller is getting
his first briefing on al-Qaeda
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when aides interrupt
to tell him
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that the first plane
has hit the World Trade Center.
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What happened?
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It collapsed.
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The top floors collapsed down.
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Even as
he's sitting there
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in the briefing on al-Qaeda,
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the idea that that was
the beginning of a terror plot
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was so far-fetched
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that Mueller looks
out the window and says,
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"How could a plane have hit
the World Trade Center
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on such a clear day?"
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Try it again.
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Ready?
-The president
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was in Sarasota, Florida,
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for an education event.
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I came up from behind him
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and leaned over and whispered
into his right ear,
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"A second plane hit
the second tower.
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America is under attack."
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On the count
of three...
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Freedom itself
was attacked this morning
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by a faceless coward.
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The resolve
of our great nation
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is being tested.
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But make no mistake.
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We will show the world
that we will pass this test.
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God bless.
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On September 14th,
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in the immediate aftermath
of 9/11,
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the president says,
"I want to get
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the FBI director over here
this morning."
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And that sounds like
a very normal expectation.
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The truth is,
it was not normal.
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There was a great fear
after Watergate
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that the president would try
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to influence
the investigative arm
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of the government,
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so after Watergate,
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FBI directors did not come
to the White House very much
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to have briefings
with the president.
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But Bob Mueller came over,
and he starts his briefing,
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and it was all about
what they were doing
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in terms of
their investigation.
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And the president interrupted
and said,
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"I am very interested
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in learning what
your investigation is finding,
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but of greater concern
to me is,
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what are you doing
to prevent the next attack?"
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The U.S. House
of Representatives
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is closing offices today
to allow a complete sweep
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for traces of anthrax.
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We have to remember
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what the tension was like
in Washington
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in the days and weeks
and months after 9/11.
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There were
197 people onboard
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American Airlines Flight 63.
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An unruly passenger
apparently had
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an explosive device
in his shoes.
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Everyone was convinced
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that a second attack
was days or minutes away.
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"They've got nuclear weapons.
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They've got biological
weapons.
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They've got chemical weapons.
They're coming.
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The second wave is gonna hit."
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Vice President Dick Cheney
held the point of view
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that in any time of crisis,
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the powers of the presidency
were unitary--
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that is,
he encompassed the power
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of the Congress
and of the courts in himself.
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It was more like a king than
the president we think of.
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It was a point of view
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that would get
President George W. Bush
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into a terrible,
terrible situation.
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These terrorists
must be pursued,
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they must be defeated,
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and they must be brought
to justice.
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In 2002,
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to help forewarn of an attack
on the United States,
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President Bush orders
the National Security Agency
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to basically start spying
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on not only the world...
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but on Americans.
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The program, which authorized
electronic eavesdropping
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into people's phone calls
and emails,
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is code-named Stellar Wind.
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The exact technical
details of it
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are still largely opaque
to us,
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but it authorized
the surveillance of Americans
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inside America.
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This threatens
to shatter
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an understanding
that has been in place
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since Watergate:
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you don't spy on Americans
without a warrant.
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I wanna
congratulate you, Mr. Comey,
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for being selected
by President Bush
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for this important position
in the Justice Department.
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At this time,
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the rising star
in the Justice Department,
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Jim Comey,
is promoted to become
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the deputy attorney general
of the United States
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above Bob Mueller,
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and Comey comes to understand
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that there are serious
concerns about Stellar Wind,
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emanating in large part
from a lawyer
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named Jack Goldsmith.
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When I got to
the Office of Legal Counsel
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in October of 2003,
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I couldn't have imagined
having confrontations
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like I had with
the White House.
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But there's a natural tension
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that's exacerbated in wartime
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between, on the one hand,
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wanting to do whatever you can
to stop the next attack,
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and on the other hand,
ensuring that
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the executive branch
complies with the law.
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So that tension
was ever present.
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It was starkly felt
every day I worked.
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So the Office of Legal Counsel
basically serves to determine
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what is lawful
for the executive branch.
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My predecessors had
a conception
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of executive power
that was super broad,
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and they basically thought
the president could
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do whatever he wanted
in wartime
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if he thought it was necessary
for national security,
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so for two years, the program
had been deemed lawful.
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But the entire program
was flawed.
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I concluded that
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the government
was not fully complying
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with the law
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that was designed to protect
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the privacy of Americans
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when it comes
to electronic surveillance.
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This results in
an epic confrontation
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over civil liberties--
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the president and the vice
president on one side,
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Jim Comey and Bob Mueller
on the other.
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On March 9th,
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there's this high-stakes
meeting at the White House
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to air the concerns
about the Stellar Wind program.
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It's a high-power gathering.
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You've got Jim Comey,
FBI Director Robert Mueller,
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and head of the Office
of Legal Counsel,
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Jack Goldsmith,
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versus Vice President Cheney;
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Cheney's top legal advisor,
David Addington;
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and even White House Chief of
Staff, Andy Card.
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There was no one at any of
those meetings that was there
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because they wanted to deny
personal liberty,
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and they were not trying
to interrupt
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private communication.
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I can't impress upon you
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the reality of dealing
with the change
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from an analog world
to a digital world.
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The world changed
before our laws did,
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and Stellar Wind took reality
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and forced it into the law.
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We've got bad things happening
around the world.
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We don't want to...
go blind,
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and we have to go blind--
we-we'd have to pull the plug
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if we don't get it signed.
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Cheney then
expressed a frustration
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that was entirely reasonable.
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He pointed out that
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the Department of Justice's
Office of Legal Counsel
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had written a memo
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to support the program
in 2001
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and that the attorney general
had repeatedly certified
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the program's legality since.
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I said the 2001 opinion
was so bad
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as to be facially invalid.
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No lawyer could rely upon it.
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From the windowsill came
Addington's cutting voice:
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"I'm a lawyer, and I did."
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"No good lawyer," I added.
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David Addington said something
to the effect that,
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"If you rule that way,
you'll have the blood
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of the 100,000 people
who die in the next attack
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on your hands."
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He wasn't saying that
to scare me.
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He really wasn't.
He really believed it.
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And I kind of believed it too.
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I mean, I was reading
the threat reports.
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I was as scared
as anybody else.
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And this is all happening
in secret.
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It's very tough
in that circumstance
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to know exactly
what the right answer is.
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But we held.
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We held, but it wasn't over.
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I met alone with
Attorney General Ashcroft
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to tell him in detail about
the problems with the program
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and why we could not approve
another extension:
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it was an extraordinary
assertion
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of presidential power.
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The president has serious
substantial powers,
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but the president
doesn't have the right
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to do whatever he chooses.
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No one has that right
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in a society
framed by the rule of law.
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And I'm not in a position
to discuss
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what my advice was
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to the President
of the United States
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and his staff.
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I think those are things
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that are importantly
not discussed publicly.
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It's pretty clear
that Jim Comey
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doesn't have the same feeling.
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...why he came off the list?
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Did it have anything to do
with the prosecution
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of voter fraud cases?
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I would ask
our witness
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to please state your name
for the record.
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My name's James Comey.
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Can you hit
your microphone, please?
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Sorry, I've forgotten...
-There we go.
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I've forgotten the...
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The technology.
My name is James Comey.
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I go by Jim Comey.
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Now, were you there when
Jim Comey gave his testimony?
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Yeah, I was a dutiful staffer
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sitting behind,
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Senator Charles Schumer.
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In the spring of 2007,
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I was the chief counsel
to Senator Schumer
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on the Judiciary Committee.
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We had a-a witness
who was gonna come testify
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who had to cancel
at the last minute,
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and now we had an open spot.
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And I know Jim a long time.
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He had been my boss
as a U.S. attorney
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when I was
an assistant U.S. attorney
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in the southern district.
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It also became known to me
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that...you know,
there's this other thing
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that he has never talked about,
that was only rumored.
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So Jim Comey tells me
on the phone
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about this, you know,
hitherto, you know,
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unexplored and basically
unknown crisis
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in the Bush White House
and Justice Department
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in a way that made
the hair stand up
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on the back of my neck.
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And was
the description in the room
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as dramatic as it was
on the phone?
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It was more dramatic
because there were--
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there were senators whose-whose
jaws dropped to the floor.
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This was a...
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Very memorable...
period in my life--
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probably the most
difficult time
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in my entire professional life.
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In the early part of 2004,
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the Office of Legal Counsel,
under my supervision,
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was engaged in a reevaluation
both factually and legally
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of a particular classified
program.
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Just assume--you thought
something was wrong?
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Yes.
-Right.
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And it was a program that was
renewed on a regular basis
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and required signature
by the attorney general
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certifying to its legality.
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But the attorney general
was taken
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to George Washington Hospital,
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and I became the acting
attorney general.
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And as acting attorney general,
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I would not certify
the program,
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as to its legality.
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During this period,
you were not in good health.
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Could you at least e--
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There were press reports.
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I would confirm that I was,
for about ten days,
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in intensive care
in the hospital.
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And I know--I know of
nothing to contradict those...
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Press reports.
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Well, thank you
for that--thank you
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- for that candor.
- That's--
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there's a big
concession for you.
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Were you present
when Alberto Gonzales visited
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Attorney General Ashcroft's
bedside?
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Yes.
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And am I correct
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that the conduct
of Mr. Gonzalez and Mr. Card
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on that evening
troubled you greatly?
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Yes.
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Why?
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I--
I'm only hesitating--
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and I'm uncomfortable
talking about this,
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but I'll answer the question.
-I understand.
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Wednesday, March the tenth,
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the night of
the hospital incident,
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at about eight o'clock
that evening,
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I was headed home.
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My security detail
was driving me, and got a call
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from Attorney General
Ashcroft's chief of staff,
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telling me that he had gotten
a call from Mrs. Ashcroft
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from the hospital.
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And Mrs. Ashcroft reported
that a call had come through--
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Do you have any idea
who that call was from?
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I have some recollection
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that the call was from
the president himself,
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but I don't know that for sure.
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It came from the White House,
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and as a result of that call,
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Mr. Card and Mr. Gonzales were
on their way to the hospital
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to see Mr. Ashcroft.
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So I told my security detail
that I needed to get
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to George Washington Hospital
immediately.
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They turned on
the emergency equipment
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and drove very quickly.
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Immediately called
FBI Director Mueller,
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with whom I'd been discussing
this particular matter,
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and told him
what was happening.
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He said, "I'll meet you at
the hospital right now."
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What was your concern?
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You were in, obviously,
a huge hurry.
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I was concerned that,
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given how ill I knew
the attorney general was,
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that there might be an effort
to ask him to overrule me
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when he was in
no condition to do that.
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You have these
lights-and-siren motorcades
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converging
from across Washington.
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Comey gets there first.
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Comey knows that Mueller
is not going to make it
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to the hospital
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before White House
Chief of Staff Andy Card
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and White House Counsel
Alberto Gonzales.
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And Jim Comey, in that moment,
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is worried that
the Secret Service agents
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who are with Andy Card
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might try to remove Comey
from the hospital room.
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"While standing
with the FBI special agent,
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I called Bob Mueller again
on his cell phone.
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He was on his way.
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'Bob,' I said, 'I need you
to order your agents
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not to permit me to be taken
from Ashcroft's room
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under any circumstances.'
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Mueller asked me to pass
the phone to the agent.
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I stood as the agent listened,
crisply answered, 'Yes, sir,'
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and passed the phone back.
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The agent looked at me with
a steely expression.
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'You will not leave
that room, sir.
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This is our scene.'"
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Just sort of imagine
what it's like
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for those FBI agents
in that moment.
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You know,
"Use force if you need to
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to resist
the U.S. Secret Service
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and the White House
chief of staff."
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And it has to be,
518
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one of the most surreal
telephone calls
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in American political history.
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And the attorney
general was...
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What was his condition?
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Mr. Ashcroft was
lying down in the bed.
523
00:24:18,125 --> 00:24:19,875
The room was darkened.
524
00:24:19,959 --> 00:24:22,291
He seemed pretty bad off.
525
00:24:22,375 --> 00:24:23,792
I was shortly joined
526
00:24:23,875 --> 00:24:25,542
by the head of the Office
of Legal Counsel,
527
00:24:25,625 --> 00:24:27,750
Assistant Attorney General
Jack Goldsmith,
528
00:24:27,834 --> 00:24:30,542
and it was only
a matter of minutes
529
00:24:30,625 --> 00:24:33,709
that the door opened,
and in walked,
530
00:24:33,792 --> 00:24:35,542
Mr. Gonzales,
carrying an envelope,
531
00:24:35,625 --> 00:24:37,625
and Mr. Card.
532
00:24:42,083 --> 00:24:44,667
They seemed
very surprised to see us.
533
00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:46,959
It was a very awkward--
extremely awkward moment.
534
00:24:48,917 --> 00:24:51,166
They were standing
at the foot of the bed.
535
00:24:51,250 --> 00:24:53,625
In that manila envelope,
Gonzales had the approvals
536
00:24:53,709 --> 00:24:55,834
for the program
without any retraction,
537
00:24:55,917 --> 00:24:57,875
and he asked
the attorney general
538
00:24:57,959 --> 00:25:00,250
would he approve the program
that he essentially approved
539
00:25:00,333 --> 00:25:02,000
for the last two years.
540
00:25:06,041 --> 00:25:08,000
There was some silence,
541
00:25:08,083 --> 00:25:11,375
and then Ashcroft kind of
lifted himself up off the bed
542
00:25:11,458 --> 00:25:13,208
and he kind of
expanded his chest
543
00:25:13,291 --> 00:25:14,458
and kind of looked at them,
544
00:25:14,542 --> 00:25:17,500
and he came to life
a little bit.
545
00:25:17,583 --> 00:25:20,458
And then John Ashcroft
did something that amazed me.
546
00:25:20,542 --> 00:25:21,917
He had been misled
about the scope
547
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,709
of the surveillance program,
he said.
548
00:25:23,792 --> 00:25:25,542
He vented that he had
serious concerns
549
00:25:25,625 --> 00:25:27,875
about the legal basis
for parts of the program
550
00:25:27,959 --> 00:25:29,875
now that he understood it.
551
00:25:29,959 --> 00:25:32,208
"But that doesn't matter now,"
he said,
552
00:25:32,291 --> 00:25:34,500
"because I'm not
the attorney general."
553
00:25:34,583 --> 00:25:37,083
With a finger extended from
his shaking left hand,
554
00:25:37,166 --> 00:25:38,959
he pointed at me.
555
00:25:39,041 --> 00:25:40,792
"There is
the attorney general."
556
00:25:42,875 --> 00:25:46,041
I don't appreciate the way
Jim Comey talks about it.
557
00:25:46,125 --> 00:25:49,083
His tunnel vision was limited,
558
00:25:49,166 --> 00:25:50,792
so I don't question
559
00:25:50,875 --> 00:25:53,625
how he relates it
from his narrow vision,
560
00:25:53,709 --> 00:25:56,709
but it's very different than
a more realistic
561
00:25:56,792 --> 00:25:59,667
a-and accurate description
of what happened.
562
00:25:59,750 --> 00:26:02,458
The president made
a phone call to the hospital,
563
00:26:02,542 --> 00:26:04,917
and I hear him say
to John Ashcroft--
564
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,166
or Janet Ashcroft--that
Andy Card and Alberto Gonzales
565
00:26:08,250 --> 00:26:10,125
will come over
and bring the documents,
566
00:26:10,208 --> 00:26:11,667
and you can sign them.
567
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:15,333
And so,
the president says to me,
568
00:26:15,417 --> 00:26:17,667
"He's expecting you.
You can go over there."
569
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:19,709
And I go out
and get Alberto Gonzales,
570
00:26:19,792 --> 00:26:22,000
and we then go over
to the hospital.
571
00:26:22,083 --> 00:26:24,417
This was not,
"Sign the document!
572
00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:26,041
You've gotta make him
sign the document!"
573
00:26:26,125 --> 00:26:27,917
- No, no--
- This was not that way at all.
574
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,250
But he did--
John Ashcroft didn't turn
575
00:26:30,333 --> 00:26:32,542
to you and say,
"I'm not the attorney general.
576
00:26:32,625 --> 00:26:34,291
- This man is"?
- No, he says, "I'm told
577
00:26:34,375 --> 00:26:36,625
I'm not the attorney general
right now."
578
00:26:36,709 --> 00:26:40,291
I was...upset
at the White House
579
00:26:40,375 --> 00:26:41,834
because I didn't know
580
00:26:41,917 --> 00:26:43,792
the attorney general
wasn't the attorney general.
581
00:26:43,875 --> 00:26:45,625
I was not in a condition
582
00:26:45,709 --> 00:26:48,250
to make the kinds
of decisions that...
583
00:26:48,333 --> 00:26:50,166
um...
584
00:26:50,250 --> 00:26:52,125
I wasn't totally without
an awareness,
585
00:26:52,208 --> 00:26:54,291
but I-I wasn't looking
around the room.
586
00:26:54,375 --> 00:26:57,667
I-I didn't...I didn't...
587
00:26:57,750 --> 00:27:01,583
you know, I had a morphine pump
in one hand.
588
00:27:01,667 --> 00:27:04,625
And I was not attorney general
for a good reason.
589
00:27:07,709 --> 00:27:08,750
At that point,
they just wanted
590
00:27:08,834 --> 00:27:10,250
to get the hell out of there,
591
00:27:10,333 --> 00:27:12,125
and they said something like,
592
00:27:12,208 --> 00:27:14,542
"Thank you very much, sir.
I hope you feel better."
593
00:27:14,625 --> 00:27:17,125
Mrs. Ashcroft is a small lady,
594
00:27:17,208 --> 00:27:20,333
and...she did something
that really kind of summed up
595
00:27:20,417 --> 00:27:21,750
the way I think
a lot of us felt.
596
00:27:21,834 --> 00:27:23,250
As they were walking
out the door,
597
00:27:23,333 --> 00:27:24,542
she stuck out her tongue
at them
598
00:27:24,625 --> 00:27:28,125
in a very, um, forceful way.
599
00:27:28,208 --> 00:27:29,208
She didn't approve.
600
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,709
Can you tell us
what happened then?
601
00:27:34,333 --> 00:27:37,125
I was very upset. I was angry.
602
00:27:37,208 --> 00:27:41,250
Jim Comey has a strong
sense of right and wrong,
603
00:27:41,333 --> 00:27:42,917
and through his career
604
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,291
has not been shy
about sharing that
605
00:27:46,375 --> 00:27:47,917
publicly and vocally.
606
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,959
Tell me
what so upset you.
607
00:27:50,041 --> 00:27:52,166
I thought I'd just witnessed
an effort to take advantage
608
00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:54,125
of a very sick man
609
00:27:54,208 --> 00:27:55,875
who did not have the powers
of the attorney general
610
00:27:55,959 --> 00:27:58,583
because they had been
transferred to me.
611
00:27:58,667 --> 00:28:00,083
People want
to take these things
612
00:28:00,166 --> 00:28:01,417
and turn them into
Machiavellian games.
613
00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:03,000
It was not.
614
00:28:03,083 --> 00:28:05,000
Yes, the attorney general
had signed off
615
00:28:05,083 --> 00:28:06,542
on it every month.
616
00:28:06,625 --> 00:28:07,750
Yes, there was an expectation
617
00:28:07,834 --> 00:28:09,500
that he'd sign off on it again.
618
00:28:09,583 --> 00:28:11,667
Yes, we were told that
the program would come
619
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:13,542
to a screeching halt
at midnight
620
00:28:13,625 --> 00:28:15,875
if we didn't have
the document signed.
621
00:28:15,959 --> 00:28:19,709
And I wasn't even
carrying the document.
622
00:28:19,792 --> 00:28:22,417
Alberto Gonzales was.
623
00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:24,333
Who sent you to the hospital?
624
00:28:24,417 --> 00:28:25,709
Senator, what I can say
is we'd had
625
00:28:25,792 --> 00:28:27,959
a very important meeting
at the White House
626
00:28:28,041 --> 00:28:29,417
- over one of the most--
- I didn't ask that.
627
00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:30,750
I didn't ask--you've discussed
the meeting...
628
00:28:30,834 --> 00:28:32,250
I'm answering your question,
Senator.
629
00:28:32,333 --> 00:28:33,500
Who sent you?
-If I could.
630
00:28:33,583 --> 00:28:35,166
Did anyone tell you to go?
631
00:28:35,250 --> 00:28:36,875
It was one of the most
important programs
632
00:28:36,959 --> 00:28:38,208
for the United States.
It was important--
633
00:28:38,291 --> 00:28:39,792
had been authorized
by the president.
634
00:28:39,875 --> 00:28:42,041
Did the president ask you
to go?
635
00:28:42,125 --> 00:28:43,083
We were there on behalf of the
President of the United States.
636
00:28:43,166 --> 00:28:44,291
I didn't ask you that.
637
00:28:44,375 --> 00:28:45,709
Did the president
ask you to go?
638
00:28:45,792 --> 00:28:47,166
Senator, we were there
on behalf
639
00:28:47,250 --> 00:28:48,417
of the President
of the United States.
640
00:28:48,500 --> 00:28:50,000
Why can't you answer
that question?
641
00:28:50,083 --> 00:28:52,041
That's the answer that
I can give you, Senator.
642
00:28:54,208 --> 00:28:56,458
And you stated
that the next day, Thursday,
643
00:28:56,542 --> 00:28:59,291
was the deadline for
reauthorization of the program.
644
00:28:59,375 --> 00:29:01,250
- Is that right?
- Yes, sir.
645
00:29:01,333 --> 00:29:03,458
Okay.
Can you tell us what happened?
646
00:29:05,125 --> 00:29:07,500
The program was reauthorized
without us,
647
00:29:07,583 --> 00:29:09,917
and without a signature
from the Department of Justice
648
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,583
attesting as to its legality
649
00:29:12,667 --> 00:29:15,834
and, I prepared
a letter of resignation.
650
00:29:19,417 --> 00:29:21,125
As I understand it,
651
00:29:21,208 --> 00:29:24,500
you believed that others were
also prepared to resign,
652
00:29:24,583 --> 00:29:26,667
not just you.
653
00:29:26,750 --> 00:29:28,291
Yes.
654
00:29:30,333 --> 00:29:32,959
I was prepared
to resign if I felt
655
00:29:33,041 --> 00:29:36,500
that we were condoning
or promoting or facilitating
656
00:29:36,583 --> 00:29:39,458
illegal behavior.
657
00:29:39,542 --> 00:29:41,333
It is not to say that you are
658
00:29:41,417 --> 00:29:42,458
the ultimate arbiter
659
00:29:42,542 --> 00:29:44,166
of what's right and wrong.
660
00:29:45,375 --> 00:29:47,250
I started thinking
more about resignation
661
00:29:47,333 --> 00:29:49,500
and trying to figure out
what the principled thing
662
00:29:49,583 --> 00:29:51,959
to do was in this highly
political situation
663
00:29:52,041 --> 00:29:53,667
where there was
a lot of presidential power
664
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:55,333
to deal with, but there was
also restraints
665
00:29:55,417 --> 00:29:57,166
on presidential power.
666
00:29:57,250 --> 00:29:59,458
And across my desk
667
00:29:59,542 --> 00:30:01,834
was a large portrait
of Elliot Richardson,
668
00:30:01,917 --> 00:30:04,667
the attorney general
under Nixon
669
00:30:04,750 --> 00:30:07,000
who resigned on principle.
670
00:30:07,083 --> 00:30:09,959
He has very thick,
large black glasses,
671
00:30:10,041 --> 00:30:12,291
and his beady little eyes
were staring out of them,
672
00:30:12,375 --> 00:30:14,750
and I grew very close to him
in watching his portrait
673
00:30:14,834 --> 00:30:17,250
and trying to decide
what I should do.
674
00:30:17,333 --> 00:30:20,333
Ultimately, I didn't see how
I could continue to serve
675
00:30:20,417 --> 00:30:23,709
an administration that seemed
indifferent to the law,
676
00:30:23,792 --> 00:30:25,583
so I was prepared to resign,
677
00:30:25,667 --> 00:30:28,834
and a lot of other people
were as well.
678
00:30:28,917 --> 00:30:30,834
How about
your chief of staff?
679
00:30:30,917 --> 00:30:33,291
Yes, he-he was certainly
gonna go when I went.
680
00:30:33,375 --> 00:30:37,083
Right. How about Mr. Ashcroft's
chief of staff?
681
00:30:37,166 --> 00:30:38,834
My understanding was that
he would go as well.
682
00:30:38,917 --> 00:30:41,166
How about Director Mueller?
683
00:30:41,250 --> 00:30:42,375
Yes.
684
00:30:45,250 --> 00:30:48,208
Literally and figuratively,
George W. Bush blinks,
685
00:30:48,291 --> 00:30:51,959
and he says, "Tell Jim
to make the changes
686
00:30:52,041 --> 00:30:55,583
that he thinks are necessary
to this program."
687
00:30:55,667 --> 00:30:58,625
Bush writes
in his memoir...
688
00:30:58,709 --> 00:31:02,500
that when Mueller and Comey
confronted him
689
00:31:02,583 --> 00:31:05,834
and said they were prepared
to resign on principle,
690
00:31:05,917 --> 00:31:08,542
a thought flashed immediately
through his mind,
691
00:31:08,625 --> 00:31:12,458
and that was the memory of
the Saturday Night Massacre.
692
00:31:12,542 --> 00:31:15,417
President Nixon has discharged
693
00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:19,709
Archibald Cox as Watergate's
special prosecutor.
694
00:31:19,792 --> 00:31:24,000
As a result, Attorney General
Elliot Richardson has resigned,
695
00:31:24,083 --> 00:31:27,291
and when Deputy Attorney
General William Ruckelshaus
696
00:31:27,375 --> 00:31:30,208
refused to carry out orders...
697
00:31:30,291 --> 00:31:32,959
From the president,
he was discharged.
698
00:31:34,375 --> 00:31:37,125
And Bush writes, "That was not
a historical experience
699
00:31:37,208 --> 00:31:39,000
I wished to repeat."
700
00:31:39,083 --> 00:31:41,625
You felt lucky
that the country was spared
701
00:31:41,709 --> 00:31:44,208
what was clearly
a constitutional crisis
702
00:31:44,291 --> 00:31:46,208
and a potential
mass resignation,
703
00:31:46,291 --> 00:31:48,041
over principle
704
00:31:48,125 --> 00:31:50,000
by the leading
law enforcement officials
705
00:31:50,083 --> 00:31:52,375
in the country.
706
00:31:52,458 --> 00:31:54,417
George W. Bush
didn't think
707
00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:56,375
that any president
could survive
708
00:31:56,458 --> 00:31:57,959
the loss of an FBI director.
709
00:32:00,291 --> 00:32:03,250
Those are words he said to me
a decade ago at this point
710
00:32:03,333 --> 00:32:05,834
but have sort of
rattled around my mind
711
00:32:05,917 --> 00:32:08,000
with sort of a fresh resonance,
712
00:32:08,083 --> 00:32:11,000
you know, as we sort of look at
Jim Comey and Bob Mueller
713
00:32:11,083 --> 00:32:12,750
in the midst
of another showdown
714
00:32:12,834 --> 00:32:14,750
with another president.
715
00:32:23,291 --> 00:32:25,834
On June eighth, 2017,
716
00:32:25,917 --> 00:32:29,500
almost ten years exactly
after his testimony
717
00:32:29,583 --> 00:32:31,792
about the Stellar Wind
confrontation,
718
00:32:31,875 --> 00:32:34,959
here comes Jim Comey
to tell the story
719
00:32:35,041 --> 00:32:37,333
of another
extraordinary confrontation
720
00:32:37,417 --> 00:32:38,625
with a president.
721
00:32:40,709 --> 00:32:43,083
Comey delivering
the first public accounting
722
00:32:43,166 --> 00:32:45,458
of his dealings
with President Donald Trump.
723
00:32:45,542 --> 00:32:47,458
No word yet on
whether the White House would
724
00:32:47,542 --> 00:32:50,625
claim executive privilege
to block Comey's testimony.
725
00:32:50,709 --> 00:32:52,083
He has done
so much damage
726
00:32:52,166 --> 00:32:54,250
to the reputation of the FBI,
727
00:32:54,333 --> 00:32:56,875
and he continues to insert
himself into stories.
728
00:32:56,959 --> 00:32:58,875
Nothing
with Jim Comey has been dull
729
00:32:58,959 --> 00:33:00,417
in his past testimonies.
730
00:33:00,500 --> 00:33:03,291
I don't expect this one
to be either.
731
00:33:03,375 --> 00:33:05,250
Director Comey,
you're now under oath.
732
00:33:05,333 --> 00:33:06,959
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
733
00:33:07,041 --> 00:33:08,959
Ranking Member Warner,
members of the committee,
734
00:33:09,041 --> 00:33:11,834
thank you for inviting me here
to testify today.
735
00:33:11,917 --> 00:33:16,250
When I was appointed
FBI director in 2013,
736
00:33:16,333 --> 00:33:19,208
I understood that I served at
the pleasure of the president.
737
00:33:20,750 --> 00:33:23,667
But I want the American people
to know this truth:
738
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:25,417
when I was fired,
739
00:33:25,500 --> 00:33:28,250
the administration chose
to defame me
740
00:33:28,333 --> 00:33:30,875
and, more importantly,
the FBI by saying
741
00:33:30,959 --> 00:33:33,375
that the organization
was in disarray,
742
00:33:33,458 --> 00:33:36,959
that the workforce had
lost confidence in its leader.
743
00:33:37,583 --> 00:33:39,917
Those were lies,
plain and simple.
744
00:33:43,375 --> 00:33:45,500
There were
a lot of terrible things
745
00:33:45,583 --> 00:33:50,458
about the firing,
but it didn't surprise me.
746
00:33:54,041 --> 00:33:57,125
I run a news
and commentary outlet
747
00:33:57,208 --> 00:33:59,333
that is devoted to,
748
00:33:59,417 --> 00:34:00,792
the space where
749
00:34:00,875 --> 00:34:03,333
national security, law,
and policy
750
00:34:03,417 --> 00:34:04,792
crash into one another.
751
00:34:06,834 --> 00:34:09,750
Two days after the election,
I wrote a piece
752
00:34:09,834 --> 00:34:11,750
specifically warning
753
00:34:11,834 --> 00:34:12,542
that Trump might try
754
00:34:12,625 --> 00:34:13,875
to fire Jim Comey.
755
00:34:16,709 --> 00:34:20,208
I believed that if you are
an authoritarian personality
756
00:34:20,291 --> 00:34:22,542
in control of the presidency,
757
00:34:22,625 --> 00:34:23,917
you simply cannot be
758
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,375
as authoritarian
as you want to be
759
00:34:26,458 --> 00:34:28,333
if you have independent,
honest law enforcement--
760
00:34:28,417 --> 00:34:30,959
and let me just be candid
about my bias, here:
761
00:34:31,041 --> 00:34:33,542
That is what I think
Jim represents.
762
00:34:33,625 --> 00:34:36,917
Flaws and all, whatever
mistakes he may have made,
763
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,333
he's independent
and he's honest.
764
00:34:39,417 --> 00:34:42,083
Let me begin
with one overarching question.
765
00:34:42,166 --> 00:34:44,625
Why do you believe
you were fired?
766
00:34:44,709 --> 00:34:46,417
There's no doubt that
767
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:48,375
it's a fair judgment--
it's my judgment--
768
00:34:48,458 --> 00:34:51,417
that I was fired because
of the Russia investigation.
769
00:34:51,500 --> 00:34:53,750
I was fired to change the way
770
00:34:53,834 --> 00:34:55,792
the Russia investigation
was being conducted.
771
00:34:58,291 --> 00:35:00,083
I wanted to know
772
00:35:00,166 --> 00:35:02,375
that the person
who headed the FBI
773
00:35:02,458 --> 00:35:04,250
would be willing
774
00:35:04,333 --> 00:35:06,667
to stand up to the President
of the United States
775
00:35:06,750 --> 00:35:11,250
as Bob Mueller had been
willing to do in 2004,
776
00:35:11,333 --> 00:35:14,667
because, for reasons
that were specific
777
00:35:14,750 --> 00:35:16,750
to the Russia investigation,
778
00:35:16,834 --> 00:35:19,000
I never doubted
that there would be
779
00:35:19,083 --> 00:35:20,959
a significant confrontation.
780
00:35:23,291 --> 00:35:25,250
The Russia
investigation began
781
00:35:25,333 --> 00:35:28,125
very quietly
in the summer of 2016,
782
00:35:28,208 --> 00:35:30,792
when evidence
of Russian interference
783
00:35:30,875 --> 00:35:32,834
in the presidential election
started to emerge.
784
00:35:35,083 --> 00:35:37,000
There's a long
history of the Russians
785
00:35:37,083 --> 00:35:37,959
interfering in elections--
786
00:35:38,041 --> 00:35:40,000
theirs and other people's.
787
00:35:40,083 --> 00:35:42,917
We have records going back
at least to the '60s
788
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,792
of Russians attempting,
in their ham-handed way,
789
00:35:45,875 --> 00:35:47,417
to influence elections.
790
00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:49,917
Just to play devil's
advocate, I mean,
791
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,500
isn't there a variation of this
792
00:35:51,583 --> 00:35:53,750
that we've done to Russia
in the past?
793
00:35:53,834 --> 00:35:56,041
Sure. We've done that.
794
00:35:56,125 --> 00:35:58,083
...I...
795
00:35:58,166 --> 00:36:00,083
This may seem naive
or altruistic,
796
00:36:00,166 --> 00:36:03,041
but I think
in just about every case,
797
00:36:03,125 --> 00:36:06,250
we were trying to do it because
of the oppressed peoples
798
00:36:06,333 --> 00:36:08,333
of that particular country
or, frankly,
799
00:36:08,417 --> 00:36:11,458
what we thought was in,
you know, best U.S. interests.
800
00:36:11,542 --> 00:36:15,959
But never ever as direct
and aggressive and multifaceted
801
00:36:16,041 --> 00:36:18,875
as what they did in 2016.
802
00:36:18,959 --> 00:36:20,417
Was the big difference
803
00:36:20,500 --> 00:36:22,166
that they weaponized it
and made it public?
804
00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:23,834
Well, the thing was,
it was so different.
805
00:36:23,917 --> 00:36:25,625
It was so active,
806
00:36:25,709 --> 00:36:28,250
particularly using
the enabler of social media.
807
00:36:28,333 --> 00:36:30,625
That was
the big difference here.
808
00:36:30,709 --> 00:36:33,375
Massive use of social media,
809
00:36:33,458 --> 00:36:35,875
which was very sophisticated,
very astute.
810
00:36:35,959 --> 00:36:38,000
They had messages
for everybody--
811
00:36:38,083 --> 00:36:40,250
Black Lives Matter,
white supremacists,
812
00:36:40,333 --> 00:36:42,291
pro-Muslims, anti-Muslims,
813
00:36:42,375 --> 00:36:43,875
pro-gun-control,
anti-gun-control.
814
00:36:43,959 --> 00:36:46,333
It didn't matter.
The Russians went after them.
815
00:36:48,125 --> 00:36:49,917
And their objections,
we believe,
816
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,500
evolved over time,
817
00:36:51,583 --> 00:36:53,458
starting with the very strong
personal animus
818
00:36:53,542 --> 00:36:56,500
that Vladimir Putin had
towards Secretary Clinton,
819
00:36:56,583 --> 00:36:58,583
whom he held responsible
for fomenting
820
00:36:58,667 --> 00:37:00,709
what he thought was
a revolution
821
00:37:00,792 --> 00:37:03,291
during the election
in Russia in 2011.
822
00:37:05,083 --> 00:37:06,959
So the Russians did
all they could
823
00:37:07,041 --> 00:37:08,792
to undermine her.
824
00:37:08,875 --> 00:37:10,959
A revolt
825
00:37:11,041 --> 00:37:12,333
in the Democratic Party
826
00:37:12,417 --> 00:37:14,166
after hacked emails revealed
827
00:37:14,250 --> 00:37:16,834
the DNC favored Clinton
over Sanders.
828
00:37:16,917 --> 00:37:20,375
Will you people shut up?
Save it for Trump!
829
00:37:20,458 --> 00:37:23,000
Russian intelligence
hacked the DNC
830
00:37:23,083 --> 00:37:25,500
and set the pestilence
of these emails out
831
00:37:25,583 --> 00:37:28,500
into the ecosystem
of American politics.
832
00:37:28,583 --> 00:37:30,542
On the eve
of the convention,
833
00:37:30,625 --> 00:37:33,959
WikiLeaks released thousands
of emails from the DNC.
834
00:37:34,041 --> 00:37:37,208
So if you go back
to the Watergate break-in,
835
00:37:37,291 --> 00:37:39,250
a bunch of bad actors
broke into
836
00:37:39,333 --> 00:37:40,792
the Democratic National
Headquarters,
837
00:37:40,875 --> 00:37:42,125
digging up dirt.
838
00:37:42,959 --> 00:37:44,917
Here we are today.
839
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,750
A bunch of bad actors
that happen to be Russians
840
00:37:47,834 --> 00:37:50,166
broke into the Democratic
National Headquarters
841
00:37:50,250 --> 00:37:53,917
to dig up dirt and help
elect Donald Trump.
842
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,542
I pledge
843
00:37:55,625 --> 00:37:57,875
that I will be president
for all Americans.
844
00:38:00,333 --> 00:38:04,166
FBI, CIA, and NSA
are on the same page on this,
845
00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:08,625
and frankly, FBI, CIA, and NSA
rarely agree on anything.
846
00:38:08,709 --> 00:38:11,875
So we put together all of
the reporting that we had
847
00:38:11,959 --> 00:38:15,417
on Russian interference
in the run-up to the election,
848
00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:17,291
put it in one document
849
00:38:17,375 --> 00:38:18,667
called the Intelligence
Community Assessment.
850
00:38:20,834 --> 00:38:24,417
And then we all took a very
low-vis, low-profile
851
00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:27,083
15-SUV column
852
00:38:27,166 --> 00:38:29,083
that took us down
to Trump Tower,
853
00:38:29,166 --> 00:38:30,834
where we briefed out
854
00:38:30,917 --> 00:38:32,250
our Intelligence Community
Assessment
855
00:38:32,333 --> 00:38:33,959
to then-President-Elect Trump
856
00:38:34,041 --> 00:38:35,709
on Friday, January sixth.
857
00:38:41,041 --> 00:38:42,542
So when you went in
to brief Trump...
858
00:38:42,625 --> 00:38:44,417
set the stage for us.
859
00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:47,542
- What was the room like?
- Well, I don't know.
860
00:38:47,625 --> 00:38:50,625
I guess it was about
a 12x15-size room--
861
00:38:50,709 --> 00:38:52,500
pretty small,
had a conference table
862
00:38:52,583 --> 00:38:55,000
which accommodated,
eight people,
863
00:38:55,083 --> 00:38:57,959
and then about six people
along the side.
864
00:38:59,417 --> 00:39:01,417
I don't remember
the colors of the wall.
865
00:39:05,834 --> 00:39:07,333
"We walked
in a group,
866
00:39:07,417 --> 00:39:09,417
surrounded
by our security people,
867
00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:11,291
and entered
the side-street entrance
868
00:39:11,375 --> 00:39:13,000
for the Trump Tower
residences."
869
00:39:15,166 --> 00:39:17,208
"After all the live-TV images
of job applicants
870
00:39:17,291 --> 00:39:19,250
and dignitaries
coming and going
871
00:39:19,333 --> 00:39:21,375
through the gilded
Fifth Avenue lobby
872
00:39:21,458 --> 00:39:24,875
as though on
a reality TV show,
873
00:39:24,959 --> 00:39:27,208
the leaders of our country's
biggest intelligence agencies
874
00:39:27,291 --> 00:39:30,333
were sneaking in to see
the president-elect.
875
00:39:30,417 --> 00:39:31,917
We were sneaking in
to tell him
876
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,291
what Russia had done to
try to help elect him."
877
00:39:36,208 --> 00:39:37,959
The import
878
00:39:38,041 --> 00:39:39,417
of our Intelligence Community
Assessment
879
00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:41,834
really did, cast some doubt
880
00:39:41,917 --> 00:39:44,458
about the legitimacy
of the election,
881
00:39:44,542 --> 00:39:46,500
so we were all a bit
apprehensive
882
00:39:46,583 --> 00:39:50,291
about just what kind of
a reaction we would get.
883
00:39:50,375 --> 00:39:53,000
When we completed
our briefing,
884
00:39:53,083 --> 00:39:55,250
President Elect Trump and
various other staff members
885
00:39:55,333 --> 00:39:57,875
started drafting
a press release,
886
00:39:57,959 --> 00:39:59,875
you know,
before we left the room,
887
00:39:59,959 --> 00:40:02,083
which was kind of unusual.
888
00:40:02,166 --> 00:40:05,250
And what they wanted to say was
that the Russian meddling
889
00:40:05,333 --> 00:40:08,458
had no impact on the election,
890
00:40:08,542 --> 00:40:11,125
and we tried
to point out to them
891
00:40:11,208 --> 00:40:14,709
that we didn't say that.
892
00:40:14,792 --> 00:40:18,417
The president has
repeatedly talked about
893
00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:21,583
Russia's involvement
as fake news.
894
00:40:21,667 --> 00:40:24,000
Can you talk a little bit
about what you saw
895
00:40:24,083 --> 00:40:25,625
as FBI director?
896
00:40:25,709 --> 00:40:29,250
The Russians interfered
in our election
897
00:40:29,333 --> 00:40:31,083
during the 2016 cycle.
898
00:40:31,166 --> 00:40:32,333
They did it with purpose.
899
00:40:32,417 --> 00:40:34,041
They did it
with sophistication.
900
00:40:34,125 --> 00:40:35,625
It was
an active-measures campaign
901
00:40:35,709 --> 00:40:37,166
driven from the top
of that government.
902
00:40:37,250 --> 00:40:39,417
There is no fuzz on that.
903
00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:42,417
Did the president,
in any of those interactions,
904
00:40:42,500 --> 00:40:45,125
ask you what you should
be doing
905
00:40:45,208 --> 00:40:48,000
to protect America
against Russian interference
906
00:40:48,083 --> 00:40:49,750
in our election system?
907
00:40:49,834 --> 00:40:51,750
I don't recall
a conversation like that.
908
00:40:51,834 --> 00:40:53,542
Never?
909
00:40:53,625 --> 00:40:54,792
No.
910
00:40:59,500 --> 00:41:01,500
It's in
the aftermath of that briefing
911
00:41:01,583 --> 00:41:04,041
that Comey pulls Trump aside
912
00:41:04,125 --> 00:41:06,375
and tells him about
the dossier,
913
00:41:06,458 --> 00:41:08,166
this document
that had been compiled
914
00:41:08,250 --> 00:41:09,959
by a former British spy
915
00:41:10,041 --> 00:41:12,083
on derogatory information
the Russians had
916
00:41:12,166 --> 00:41:13,750
about the president.
917
00:41:15,709 --> 00:41:18,959
The dossier
was not used at all
918
00:41:19,041 --> 00:41:20,834
to draw on as a source
919
00:41:20,917 --> 00:41:22,917
for the Intelligence Community
Assessment.
920
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,959
We did include
921
00:41:25,041 --> 00:41:27,959
about a page-and-three-quarter
summary of the dossier
922
00:41:28,041 --> 00:41:29,166
as an appendix,
923
00:41:29,250 --> 00:41:30,750
but not as an organic part
924
00:41:30,834 --> 00:41:32,959
of the Intelligence Community
Assessment.
925
00:41:33,041 --> 00:41:35,959
And we just felt,
the obligation or duty
926
00:41:36,041 --> 00:41:39,208
to warn the president
that this thing was out there.
927
00:41:39,291 --> 00:41:41,375
And Jim asked if...
928
00:41:41,458 --> 00:41:43,583
he said, "I think
it'd be better
929
00:41:43,667 --> 00:41:46,417
if I did it by myself,"
and I-I was fine with that.
930
00:41:47,709 --> 00:41:50,041
The material included
some wild stuff.
931
00:41:50,125 --> 00:41:52,458
Among that stuff were
unconfirmed allegations
932
00:41:52,542 --> 00:41:54,500
that the president-elect
had been engaged
933
00:41:54,583 --> 00:41:58,041
in unusual sexual activities
with prostitutes in Russia
934
00:41:58,125 --> 00:42:01,667
while on a trip
to Moscow in 2013.
935
00:42:01,750 --> 00:42:04,208
Another allegation was
that these activities
936
00:42:04,291 --> 00:42:06,417
were filmed
by Russian intelligence
937
00:42:06,500 --> 00:42:08,083
for the possible purpose
of blackmail
938
00:42:08,166 --> 00:42:10,667
against the president-elect.
939
00:42:10,750 --> 00:42:12,834
Jim Comey,
and I think rightfully so,
940
00:42:12,917 --> 00:42:14,375
was concerned about
941
00:42:14,458 --> 00:42:16,417
the counterintelligence
implications.
942
00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:18,834
The Russians have
a long history
943
00:42:18,917 --> 00:42:21,250
and are famous for using
what they call "kompromat"--
944
00:42:21,333 --> 00:42:23,792
compromising material--
945
00:42:23,875 --> 00:42:27,375
which they might attempt
to use for leverage.
946
00:42:27,458 --> 00:42:30,583
The mere fact
that this stuff is out there
947
00:42:30,667 --> 00:42:32,500
is a problem
948
00:42:32,583 --> 00:42:35,583
that has to be managed
from a security point of view.
949
00:42:35,667 --> 00:42:38,625
But Trump responds
950
00:42:38,709 --> 00:42:42,125
by denying
specific components of it:
951
00:42:42,208 --> 00:42:45,583
whether he needs
prostitutes or not.
952
00:42:45,667 --> 00:42:48,333
Trump is the kind of guy who
tries to make his own reality.
953
00:42:48,417 --> 00:42:50,083
"It never happened,
954
00:42:50,166 --> 00:42:52,000
I don't know anything
about Russia,
955
00:42:52,083 --> 00:42:54,000
and I have no business
with Russians."
956
00:42:55,792 --> 00:42:58,291
I think that our
intelligence agencies
957
00:42:58,375 --> 00:43:02,041
are giving the president advice
that is colored
958
00:43:02,125 --> 00:43:06,166
by their agenda
and their motivations.
959
00:43:06,250 --> 00:43:07,834
They began trying to get
960
00:43:07,917 --> 00:43:11,333
Donald Trump to run
for president in 1988,
961
00:43:11,417 --> 00:43:13,542
again in 2000,
962
00:43:13,625 --> 00:43:17,500
again in 2012,
and then finally, in 2016.
963
00:43:17,583 --> 00:43:20,291
I have worked
for four presidents.
964
00:43:20,375 --> 00:43:24,250
I think I could only be called
an adviser to three of them:
965
00:43:24,333 --> 00:43:26,041
Richard Nixon,
966
00:43:26,125 --> 00:43:27,500
Ronald Reagan,
967
00:43:27,583 --> 00:43:29,750
and Donald Trump.
968
00:43:29,834 --> 00:43:31,291
If you are the subject
969
00:43:31,375 --> 00:43:33,291
of a partisan witch hunt--
970
00:43:33,375 --> 00:43:35,500
as I think Nixon was,
971
00:43:35,583 --> 00:43:38,000
as I think Trump now is--
972
00:43:38,083 --> 00:43:40,500
then I-I think
that you cannot trust
973
00:43:40,583 --> 00:43:43,125
in the intelligence agencies,
974
00:43:43,208 --> 00:43:44,750
and I suspect,
975
00:43:44,834 --> 00:43:46,667
that Mr. Comey was telling
the president
976
00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:49,834
about the dossier
as a way to threaten him.
977
00:43:51,709 --> 00:43:54,083
There was a real chance
that Donald Trump
978
00:43:54,166 --> 00:43:56,750
would assume I was pulling
a J. Edgar Hoover
979
00:43:56,834 --> 00:43:58,667
and dangling
the prostitute thing over him
980
00:43:58,750 --> 00:44:01,250
to gain leverage.
981
00:44:01,333 --> 00:44:03,208
I decided I could assure
the president-elect
982
00:44:03,291 --> 00:44:06,583
that the FBI was not currently
investigating him.
983
00:44:06,667 --> 00:44:08,500
This was literally true
984
00:44:08,583 --> 00:44:11,083
but could
be misleadingly narrow.
985
00:44:11,166 --> 00:44:14,583
But I also saw the bigger
danger of the new president,
986
00:44:14,667 --> 00:44:16,291
who was known to be impulsive,
987
00:44:16,375 --> 00:44:19,583
going to war against the FBI.
988
00:44:19,667 --> 00:44:23,208
The FBI director
is so concerned
989
00:44:23,291 --> 00:44:25,125
by this interaction
990
00:44:25,208 --> 00:44:28,375
that he gets into the FBI car
991
00:44:28,458 --> 00:44:30,250
and immediately
memorializes it.
992
00:44:35,417 --> 00:44:36,750
It's the first memo
993
00:44:36,834 --> 00:44:39,166
in a series of ones
that Comey made
994
00:44:39,250 --> 00:44:42,250
about every single interaction
he had with the president.
995
00:44:47,333 --> 00:44:51,583
He's asked, "Why'd you feel
the need to write it down?"
996
00:44:51,667 --> 00:44:54,500
And he says, "It's because of
the nature of the person."
997
00:45:06,959 --> 00:45:08,834
CNN has learned
998
00:45:08,917 --> 00:45:10,834
that the nation's
top intelligence officials
999
00:45:10,917 --> 00:45:14,125
provided information to
President-Elect Donald Trump
1000
00:45:14,208 --> 00:45:16,583
about claims
of Russian efforts
1001
00:45:16,667 --> 00:45:19,125
to compromise
President-Elect Trump.
1002
00:45:19,208 --> 00:45:22,041
...including
a claim of sexual activity
1003
00:45:22,125 --> 00:45:25,458
caught on a Moscow hotel room
surveillance camera.
1004
00:45:27,667 --> 00:45:28,875
Go ahead.
-First of all,
1005
00:45:28,959 --> 00:45:31,000
did the heads of
the intelligence agencies
1006
00:45:31,083 --> 00:45:32,750
provide you with
a two-page summary
1007
00:45:32,834 --> 00:45:34,709
of these unsubstantiated
allegations?
1008
00:45:34,792 --> 00:45:36,333
These meetings,
as you know, are confidential,
1009
00:45:36,417 --> 00:45:38,208
classified, so I'm not allowed
1010
00:45:38,291 --> 00:45:40,875
to talk about what went on
in a meeting,
1011
00:45:40,959 --> 00:45:43,667
but I will say
I think it's a disgrace
1012
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:47,375
that the intelligence agencies
allowed any information
1013
00:45:47,458 --> 00:45:51,041
that turned out to be
so false and fake out,
1014
00:45:51,125 --> 00:45:52,583
and that's something that
1015
00:45:52,667 --> 00:45:54,834
Nazi Germany would've
done and did do.
1016
00:45:54,917 --> 00:45:56,458
He had
1017
00:45:56,542 --> 00:45:58,166
a news conference
1018
00:45:58,250 --> 00:46:00,166
in which he characterized
the intelligence community
1019
00:46:00,250 --> 00:46:01,959
as Nazis,
1020
00:46:02,041 --> 00:46:05,208
blaming us for,
putting out the dossier,
1021
00:46:05,291 --> 00:46:07,834
which was nonsensical.
1022
00:46:07,917 --> 00:46:09,875
The dossier is not
an intelligence document.
1023
00:46:09,959 --> 00:46:11,291
It wasn't classified.
1024
00:46:11,375 --> 00:46:12,667
You know, it had nothing
to do with
1025
00:46:12,750 --> 00:46:14,500
the intelligence community.
1026
00:46:14,583 --> 00:46:16,959
Naive me, I tried to appeal
to his higher instincts,
1027
00:46:17,041 --> 00:46:20,250
I guess, and I asked that
he not refer to, you know,
1028
00:46:20,333 --> 00:46:21,667
the intelligence community
as Nazis.
1029
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:24,041
What was his reaction?
1030
00:46:24,125 --> 00:46:26,500
He said, you know,
"Thanks, yeah, they're great,"
1031
00:46:26,583 --> 00:46:29,291
and all that, but his--his i-
main interest was in
1032
00:46:29,375 --> 00:46:32,583
my, issuing a statement
rebutting the, dossier,
1033
00:46:32,667 --> 00:46:35,333
which I-I really couldn't do...
1034
00:46:35,417 --> 00:46:37,208
and didn't.
1035
00:46:37,291 --> 00:46:38,917
Go ahead.
1036
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,250
What do you say
to foreign policy experts
1037
00:46:41,333 --> 00:46:44,458
who say you're actually
weakening national security
1038
00:46:44,542 --> 00:46:46,625
by waging this war of words
1039
00:46:46,709 --> 00:46:49,125
against your
U.S. intelligence community?
1040
00:46:49,208 --> 00:46:51,792
And there's actually
a fairly fine line
1041
00:46:51,875 --> 00:46:55,000
between democracy
and autocracy,
1042
00:46:55,083 --> 00:46:56,667
and if we're not sensitive
1043
00:46:56,750 --> 00:46:59,333
and don't protect
those institutions,
1044
00:46:59,417 --> 00:47:01,709
you're in trouble.
1045
00:47:01,792 --> 00:47:03,917
Well, you know,
President Putin
1046
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,250
and Russia put out a statement
today that this, fake news
1047
00:47:06,333 --> 00:47:07,792
was indeed fake news.
1048
00:47:07,875 --> 00:47:09,667
They said it totally
never happened.
1049
00:47:11,834 --> 00:47:15,291
Russia will have much
greater respect
1050
00:47:15,375 --> 00:47:18,000
for our country
when I'm leading it
1051
00:47:18,083 --> 00:47:19,750
than when other people
have led it.
1052
00:47:23,500 --> 00:47:26,166
The Russians,
in an unbelievable
1053
00:47:26,250 --> 00:47:29,000
and unprecedented attack
on American democracy,
1054
00:47:29,083 --> 00:47:31,667
hacked the election
1055
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:34,375
with the intent of
throwing it to Trump--
1056
00:47:34,458 --> 00:47:37,375
with the intent of disrupting
American democracy.
1057
00:47:39,875 --> 00:47:43,959
Jim Comey, he knows
that the time will come,
1058
00:47:44,041 --> 00:47:48,291
about five minutes after
inauguration,
1059
00:47:48,375 --> 00:47:51,125
that he's gonna be
investigating the White House,
1060
00:47:51,208 --> 00:47:54,125
that he's gonna be
investigating the president,
1061
00:47:54,208 --> 00:47:58,000
and that a terrible
confrontation is in store.
1062
00:47:58,083 --> 00:48:01,959
Please raise your right hand
and repeat after me.
1063
00:48:02,041 --> 00:48:04,792
"I, Donald John Trump
do solemnly swear"...
1064
00:48:15,291 --> 00:48:17,125
Ever since Watergate,
1065
00:48:17,208 --> 00:48:18,917
the country has recognized
1066
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,083
that the Justice Department
and FBI
1067
00:48:21,166 --> 00:48:25,208
have to have some form
of independence
1068
00:48:25,291 --> 00:48:27,166
from the White House
and the president,
1069
00:48:27,250 --> 00:48:29,875
especially when the White House
and the president
1070
00:48:29,959 --> 00:48:32,000
are being investigated.
1071
00:48:32,083 --> 00:48:33,959
So we're already
in a fraught situation
1072
00:48:34,041 --> 00:48:36,417
where the Justice Department
itself is investigating
1073
00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:39,625
the campaign of the president
in a close election,
1074
00:48:39,709 --> 00:48:41,166
but Trump
from the very beginning
1075
00:48:41,250 --> 00:48:43,959
seemed to have an attitude
that was indifferent
1076
00:48:44,041 --> 00:48:46,083
to these independence norms.
1077
00:48:49,166 --> 00:48:51,125
The inauguration
was such a success
1078
00:48:51,208 --> 00:48:53,333
and such a safety success,
1079
00:48:53,417 --> 00:48:55,959
and we wanna thank you all,
because it was really
1080
00:48:56,041 --> 00:48:58,041
a very, very special
experience.
1081
00:48:58,125 --> 00:49:00,333
Right after
the inauguration,
1082
00:49:00,417 --> 00:49:03,709
Trump has the heads of
the law enforcement agencies
1083
00:49:03,792 --> 00:49:06,417
that did security
for his swearing in
1084
00:49:06,500 --> 00:49:08,375
to the White House
for an event,
1085
00:49:08,458 --> 00:49:10,375
and Comey is very concerned
1086
00:49:10,458 --> 00:49:13,333
about being seen on camera
with the president,
1087
00:49:13,417 --> 00:49:15,750
especially when the FBI
is supposed to be insulated
1088
00:49:15,834 --> 00:49:17,417
from politics.
1089
00:49:17,500 --> 00:49:19,458
But Comey,
who's six-foot-eight,
1090
00:49:19,542 --> 00:49:21,083
is noticed by the president.
-Let's...
1091
00:49:21,166 --> 00:49:23,250
and there's--
James, come here,
1092
00:49:23,333 --> 00:49:24,500
will you, please?
1093
00:49:24,583 --> 00:49:26,125
He's become
more famous than me.
1094
00:49:29,792 --> 00:49:31,875
My wife, Patrice, has
known me since I was 19.
1095
00:49:31,959 --> 00:49:33,792
Back at our home,
she was watching TV
1096
00:49:33,875 --> 00:49:35,709
and pointing at the screen.
1097
00:49:35,792 --> 00:49:38,417
"That's Jim's
'shit' face."
1098
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:39,458
Yes, it was.
1099
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,667
The president leaned in
1100
00:49:46,750 --> 00:49:48,959
and put his mouth
near my right ear.
1101
00:49:49,041 --> 00:49:51,458
"I'm really looking forward
to working with you," he said.
1102
00:49:51,542 --> 00:49:53,500
Unfortunately,
1103
00:49:53,583 --> 00:49:55,667
because of the vantage point
of the TV cameras,
1104
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:58,166
what many in the world thought
they saw was a kiss.
1105
00:50:00,417 --> 00:50:03,333
To have this
flamboyant display of embrace
1106
00:50:03,417 --> 00:50:05,709
made Jim concerned
about the public confidence
1107
00:50:05,792 --> 00:50:09,083
in the integrity of the FBI
1108
00:50:09,166 --> 00:50:10,166
at a time when
1109
00:50:10,250 --> 00:50:11,875
his own position was,
1110
00:50:11,959 --> 00:50:14,125
in the eyes
of a lot of people,
1111
00:50:14,208 --> 00:50:15,458
politically suspect.
1112
00:50:15,542 --> 00:50:17,625
Jim believed it was an attempt
1113
00:50:17,709 --> 00:50:19,458
to compromise him--
1114
00:50:19,542 --> 00:50:22,291
to make him look political,
1115
00:50:22,375 --> 00:50:26,208
to make him look close
to Trump
1116
00:50:26,291 --> 00:50:29,125
in a fashion
that would further convince
1117
00:50:29,208 --> 00:50:31,166
people who had
supported Hilary Clinton
1118
00:50:31,250 --> 00:50:32,750
that he had put
a thumb on the scale
1119
00:50:32,834 --> 00:50:34,750
during the election
1120
00:50:34,834 --> 00:50:37,625
by his performance in the
Hilary Clinton email matters.
1121
00:50:44,583 --> 00:50:47,792
I am running for
president of the United States!
1122
00:50:52,208 --> 00:50:55,208
In 2015,
the FBI opened
1123
00:50:55,291 --> 00:50:57,291
the Clinton email
investigation,
1124
00:50:57,375 --> 00:51:01,041
looking at Clinton using
a personal email account
1125
00:51:01,125 --> 00:51:04,041
when she was
secretary of state.
1126
00:51:04,125 --> 00:51:07,083
This was an investigation
that was during the campaign,
1127
00:51:07,166 --> 00:51:10,333
and it was being looked at
in a political lens
1128
00:51:10,417 --> 00:51:12,750
by the country.
1129
00:51:12,834 --> 00:51:16,375
Comey knew that the stakes
were very high, and he felt
1130
00:51:16,458 --> 00:51:18,709
unnerved by some things
the Justice Department had done
1131
00:51:18,792 --> 00:51:20,333
in the course
of the investigation,
1132
00:51:20,417 --> 00:51:21,792
which made him wonder
1133
00:51:21,875 --> 00:51:23,709
whether their
political leanings
1134
00:51:23,792 --> 00:51:26,917
were gonna get in the way
of the investigation.
1135
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,792
Things that looked funky,
1136
00:51:28,875 --> 00:51:30,792
like Loretta Lynch
meeting with Bill Clinton
1137
00:51:30,875 --> 00:51:33,208
on the tarmac in Arizona.
1138
00:51:33,291 --> 00:51:35,542
Okay, what's with this?
1139
00:51:35,625 --> 00:51:38,083
Loretta Lynch met
with President Bill Clinton
1140
00:51:38,166 --> 00:51:39,834
on the tarmac
of a Phoenix airport
1141
00:51:39,917 --> 00:51:41,375
for 30 minutes.
1142
00:51:41,458 --> 00:51:43,125
Because of the ongoing
federal investigation
1143
00:51:43,208 --> 00:51:44,959
into Hillary Clinton's emails,
that meeting
1144
00:51:45,041 --> 00:51:46,959
has now become
a major problem.
1145
00:51:47,041 --> 00:51:49,250
As the firestorm grew
in the media,
1146
00:51:49,333 --> 00:51:51,667
I paid more attention,
watching it become
1147
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:53,208
another corrosive
talking point
1148
00:51:53,291 --> 00:51:55,041
about how the Obama
Justice Department
1149
00:51:55,125 --> 00:51:56,542
couldn't be trusted
to complete
1150
00:51:56,625 --> 00:51:58,542
the Clinton
email investigation.
1151
00:51:58,625 --> 00:52:00,125
Mr. Director.
1152
00:52:00,208 --> 00:52:02,166
Comey felt
that the FBI
1153
00:52:02,250 --> 00:52:04,625
needed to put distance
between itself
1154
00:52:04,709 --> 00:52:07,083
and the Justice Department.
1155
00:52:07,166 --> 00:52:09,166
You have to
understand the relationship.
1156
00:52:09,250 --> 00:52:13,125
The FBI conducts
investigations.
1157
00:52:13,208 --> 00:52:17,583
Justice Department lawyers
then decide
1158
00:52:17,667 --> 00:52:20,625
what charges can
or cannot be brought
1159
00:52:20,709 --> 00:52:24,333
based on those findings.
1160
00:52:24,417 --> 00:52:26,750
The FBI had
interviewed Hillary Clinton,
1161
00:52:26,834 --> 00:52:28,291
and they'd come
to the conclusion
1162
00:52:28,375 --> 00:52:30,834
that they didn't think
she should be prosecuted,
1163
00:52:30,917 --> 00:52:33,959
but instead of quietly
sending that recommendation
1164
00:52:34,041 --> 00:52:36,000
over to the Justice Department,
1165
00:52:36,083 --> 00:52:38,125
Comey held a press conference.
1166
00:52:43,834 --> 00:52:45,375
Good morning.
1167
00:52:45,458 --> 00:52:47,417
This is going to be
an unusual statement
1168
00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:49,375
in at least a couple of ways.
1169
00:52:49,458 --> 00:52:50,875
First, I'm going to include
1170
00:52:50,959 --> 00:52:52,250
more detail about our process
1171
00:52:52,333 --> 00:52:54,125
than I ordinarily would,
1172
00:52:54,208 --> 00:52:55,709
because I think
the American people
1173
00:52:55,792 --> 00:52:57,250
deserve those details
1174
00:52:57,333 --> 00:52:58,959
in a case of intense
public interest.
1175
00:53:01,834 --> 00:53:03,875
Transparency
had been something
1176
00:53:03,959 --> 00:53:06,542
that had benefited Comey
enormously
1177
00:53:06,625 --> 00:53:11,000
in the run-up to him taking
over as FBI director.
1178
00:53:11,083 --> 00:53:13,667
In the years after he left
the Justice Department
1179
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:15,291
under the Bush administration,
1180
00:53:15,375 --> 00:53:17,959
he had publicly testified
about a program
1181
00:53:18,041 --> 00:53:19,625
that he thought was illegal.
1182
00:53:19,709 --> 00:53:21,917
Just assume--you
thought something was wrong.
1183
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,750
Yes.
-Right.
1184
00:53:23,834 --> 00:53:25,709
And by airing
this out publicly,
1185
00:53:25,792 --> 00:53:27,166
Comey was able to get
1186
00:53:27,250 --> 00:53:29,250
the stain
of the Bush administration
1187
00:53:29,333 --> 00:53:31,291
off of him and make himself
1188
00:53:31,375 --> 00:53:33,041
appear as a whistleblower,
1189
00:53:33,125 --> 00:53:35,667
so when Obama
appoints him
1190
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:37,333
as FBI director,
1191
00:53:37,417 --> 00:53:39,667
he cites this
in his statement.
1192
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:42,542
To know Jim Comey is also
to know his fierce independence
1193
00:53:42,625 --> 00:53:45,750
and his deep integrity.
When it's mattered most,
1194
00:53:45,834 --> 00:53:48,500
he joined Bob in standing up
for what he believed was right.
1195
00:53:48,583 --> 00:53:50,792
He was prepared to give up
the job he loved
1196
00:53:50,875 --> 00:53:52,166
rather than be
part of something
1197
00:53:52,250 --> 00:53:53,333
he felt
was fundamentally wrong.
1198
00:53:56,083 --> 00:53:57,458
So as he comes
1199
00:53:57,542 --> 00:53:58,959
into the Clinton
email investigation,
1200
00:53:59,041 --> 00:54:00,667
transparency is something
1201
00:54:00,750 --> 00:54:03,000
that had really
benefited Comey a lot
1202
00:54:03,083 --> 00:54:04,667
throughout his entire career,
1203
00:54:04,750 --> 00:54:07,250
and as he's faced
with these different decisions,
1204
00:54:07,333 --> 00:54:09,834
he goes back to run
the same play.
1205
00:54:09,917 --> 00:54:12,166
The problem is,
in doing that,
1206
00:54:12,250 --> 00:54:14,458
he really undermined himself.
1207
00:54:16,667 --> 00:54:19,125
Although we did not find
clear evidence
1208
00:54:19,208 --> 00:54:21,000
that Secretary Clinton
or her colleagues
1209
00:54:21,083 --> 00:54:23,083
intended to violate laws
1210
00:54:23,166 --> 00:54:25,750
governing the handling
of classified information,
1211
00:54:25,834 --> 00:54:27,208
there is evidence
1212
00:54:27,291 --> 00:54:28,917
that they were
extremely careless.
1213
00:54:30,333 --> 00:54:33,291
It's awkward
in the extreme.
1214
00:54:33,375 --> 00:54:35,625
Comey made it awkward
in the extreme.
1215
00:54:35,709 --> 00:54:37,750
He gratuitously said
1216
00:54:37,834 --> 00:54:40,709
she had been
"extremely careless"
1217
00:54:40,792 --> 00:54:42,834
in her handling
of classified emails.
1218
00:54:42,917 --> 00:54:46,041
Well, carelessness
is not a federal crime.
1219
00:54:46,125 --> 00:54:49,959
I didn't dissent
from his decision to do it...
1220
00:54:51,667 --> 00:54:53,291
...but I was very concerned
1221
00:54:53,375 --> 00:54:56,291
about the precedent
that it would set.
1222
00:54:56,375 --> 00:54:57,542
There's something
really horrible
1223
00:54:57,625 --> 00:54:59,750
about having
1224
00:54:59,834 --> 00:55:01,959
a senior
law enforcement official
1225
00:55:02,041 --> 00:55:04,166
evaluating the conduct
of somebody in public
1226
00:55:04,250 --> 00:55:07,291
whom he is not going
to charge, and I have a
1227
00:55:07,375 --> 00:55:10,583
sort of civil liberties anxiety
about that.
1228
00:55:10,667 --> 00:55:14,083
Although there is evidence
of potential violations
1229
00:55:14,166 --> 00:55:15,834
of the statues
regarding the handling
1230
00:55:15,917 --> 00:55:17,458
of classified information,
1231
00:55:17,542 --> 00:55:20,333
our judgment is that
no reasonable prosecutor
1232
00:55:20,417 --> 00:55:22,125
would bring such a case.
1233
00:55:22,208 --> 00:55:23,750
I remember Director Comey--
one of the words
1234
00:55:23,834 --> 00:55:25,417
was "no reasonable prosecutor"
1235
00:55:25,500 --> 00:55:27,625
would, um, file charges.
1236
00:55:27,709 --> 00:55:30,166
The FBI, typically--you do
your investigative report,
1237
00:55:30,250 --> 00:55:32,291
turn it over
to the U.S. Attorney's office,
1238
00:55:32,375 --> 00:55:34,208
or in this case,
to the Department of Justice,
1239
00:55:34,291 --> 00:55:35,875
let them make the decision.
1240
00:55:35,959 --> 00:55:38,083
The July announcement
by Director Comey
1241
00:55:38,166 --> 00:55:40,625
was certainly outside
the normal rulebook,
1242
00:55:40,709 --> 00:55:42,792
and, um, certainly surprised
a lot of people.
1243
00:55:42,875 --> 00:55:45,375
There wasn't any advance
warning that it was coming.
1244
00:55:45,458 --> 00:55:47,291
People have certainly
1245
00:55:47,375 --> 00:55:49,667
lost some confidence
in the FBI over this,
1246
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:52,166
and it's been a--
a difficult time.
1247
00:55:54,875 --> 00:55:56,583
When the FBI director
1248
00:55:56,667 --> 00:55:59,458
says that
the secretary of state
1249
00:55:59,542 --> 00:56:03,458
was extremely careless
and negligent
1250
00:56:03,542 --> 00:56:06,834
in handling
our classified secrets,
1251
00:56:06,917 --> 00:56:09,500
I know that these terms
1252
00:56:09,583 --> 00:56:11,208
are minor
1253
00:56:11,291 --> 00:56:13,375
compared to what
she actually did.
1254
00:56:13,458 --> 00:56:15,250
They were just used
1255
00:56:15,333 --> 00:56:18,625
to save her
from facing justice
1256
00:56:18,709 --> 00:56:21,500
for her terrible,
terrible crimes.
1257
00:56:24,458 --> 00:56:27,250
Lock her up!
Lock her up!
1258
00:56:27,333 --> 00:56:29,583
Lock her up!
Lock her up!
1259
00:56:29,667 --> 00:56:32,417
Lock her up!
Lock her up!
1260
00:56:32,500 --> 00:56:35,291
Lock her up!
Lock her up!
1261
00:56:44,875 --> 00:56:47,417
Ten days
before the election, Comey
1262
00:56:47,500 --> 00:56:49,792
took another
extraordinary measure.
1263
00:56:49,875 --> 00:56:51,500
He sent a letter to Congress
1264
00:56:51,583 --> 00:56:52,625
saying that the bureau
1265
00:56:52,709 --> 00:56:53,709
had reopened
1266
00:56:53,792 --> 00:56:55,250
the email investigation...
1267
00:56:58,375 --> 00:57:00,000
As part
of a different case,
1268
00:57:00,083 --> 00:57:01,250
Anthony Weiner,
1269
00:57:01,333 --> 00:57:03,542
the former husband
1270
00:57:03,625 --> 00:57:05,125
of Huma Abedin,
1271
00:57:05,208 --> 00:57:06,917
Hillary's closest aide,
1272
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,417
had provided a laptop
to the authorities,
1273
00:57:10,500 --> 00:57:12,375
and the FBI saw
what they thought
1274
00:57:12,458 --> 00:57:15,959
were Hillary Clinton's emails.
1275
00:57:16,041 --> 00:57:18,500
Once you've said
publicly
1276
00:57:18,583 --> 00:57:20,667
this investigation
was finished,
1277
00:57:20,750 --> 00:57:24,625
the day you make a liar
out of yourself
1278
00:57:24,709 --> 00:57:26,583
and go after new evidence,
1279
00:57:26,667 --> 00:57:28,709
you have some duty to--
1280
00:57:28,792 --> 00:57:31,875
to let people know
about that.
1281
00:57:31,959 --> 00:57:34,834
Assuming,
as nearly everyone did,
1282
00:57:34,917 --> 00:57:36,333
that Hillary Clinton
would be elected
1283
00:57:36,417 --> 00:57:37,083
President of the United States
1284
00:57:37,166 --> 00:57:38,333
in less than two weeks,
1285
00:57:38,417 --> 00:57:41,500
what would happen to the FBI
1286
00:57:41,583 --> 00:57:43,375
or her own presidency
1287
00:57:43,458 --> 00:57:45,083
if it later was revealed
1288
00:57:45,166 --> 00:57:46,625
after the fact
1289
00:57:46,709 --> 00:57:48,375
that she was still a subject
1290
00:57:48,458 --> 00:57:50,917
of an FBI investigation?
1291
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,000
Comey feels,
1292
00:57:52,083 --> 00:57:54,375
rightly or wrongly,
1293
00:57:54,458 --> 00:57:56,625
a legal obligation
to inform Congress
1294
00:57:56,709 --> 00:57:59,750
that, indeed,
the needle has moved,
1295
00:57:59,834 --> 00:58:02,709
not knowing whether there's
any "there" there
1296
00:58:02,792 --> 00:58:05,792
within in the emails,
but knowing full well
1297
00:58:05,875 --> 00:58:07,750
that once he sends
this one-page letter,
1298
00:58:07,834 --> 00:58:09,583
the Republicans on the Hill
1299
00:58:09,667 --> 00:58:12,375
will leak it
nanoseconds later.
1300
00:58:12,458 --> 00:58:15,166
Clinton is conceivably doomed.
1301
00:58:15,250 --> 00:58:17,500
It took guts
1302
00:58:17,583 --> 00:58:19,542
for Director Comey
1303
00:58:19,625 --> 00:58:22,000
to make the move
that he made
1304
00:58:22,083 --> 00:58:24,583
in light of the kind
of opposition he had,
1305
00:58:24,667 --> 00:58:26,917
where they're trying
to protect her
1306
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:28,375
from criminal prosecution.
1307
00:58:28,458 --> 00:58:30,250
You know that.
1308
00:58:30,333 --> 00:58:31,959
You think Comey
made a mistake?
1309
00:58:32,041 --> 00:58:33,166
I do.
1310
00:58:33,250 --> 00:58:34,166
Why?
1311
00:58:34,250 --> 00:58:37,667
The idea that the FBI
1312
00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:40,458
was wading into
the politics of that moment
1313
00:58:40,542 --> 00:58:42,583
is tremendously damaging
1314
00:58:42,667 --> 00:58:44,542
to the reputation
of the FBI.
1315
00:58:44,625 --> 00:58:46,542
It took a lot of guts.
1316
00:58:46,625 --> 00:58:48,041
I was not his fan,
1317
00:58:48,125 --> 00:58:50,417
but I'll tell you what.
What he did--
1318
00:58:50,500 --> 00:58:51,875
he brought back
his reputation.
1319
00:58:56,125 --> 00:58:59,208
Comey is in
a very tough position.
1320
00:58:59,291 --> 00:59:00,625
The man in charge
1321
00:59:00,709 --> 00:59:02,458
of the Russia investigation
1322
00:59:02,542 --> 00:59:04,667
is now seen
as a political actor.
1323
00:59:10,667 --> 00:59:12,166
By this time,
1324
00:59:12,250 --> 00:59:14,083
the FBI investigation
1325
00:59:14,166 --> 00:59:16,458
into Russian meddling
1326
00:59:16,542 --> 00:59:18,917
has been going on
for six months.
1327
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,625
It's code-named
"Crossfire Hurricane."
1328
00:59:21,709 --> 00:59:23,458
At the heart
of the Russian
1329
00:59:23,542 --> 00:59:25,083
interference campaign
1330
00:59:25,166 --> 00:59:26,834
was the release
of damaging emails
1331
00:59:26,917 --> 00:59:29,500
associated with
the Democratic Party.
1332
00:59:29,583 --> 00:59:31,959
In late July, the FBI learned
1333
00:59:32,041 --> 00:59:34,125
that a Trump campaign
foreign policy advisor
1334
00:59:34,208 --> 00:59:36,667
named George Papadopoulos
1335
00:59:36,750 --> 00:59:39,291
had been discussing obtaining
from the Russian government
1336
00:59:39,375 --> 00:59:41,583
emails damaging
to Hillary Clinton.
1337
00:59:41,667 --> 00:59:43,542
Based on this information,
1338
00:59:43,625 --> 00:59:45,667
the FBI opened
an investigation
1339
00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:48,083
to try to understand
whether Americans,
1340
00:59:48,166 --> 00:59:50,834
including any associated
with the Trump campaign,
1341
00:59:50,917 --> 00:59:53,458
were working in any way
with the Russians
1342
00:59:53,542 --> 00:59:55,291
in their influence effort.
1343
00:59:55,375 --> 00:59:57,542
Comey knows that Flynn,
1344
00:59:57,625 --> 00:59:59,875
the national security advisor
1345
00:59:59,959 --> 01:00:02,792
to President Trump,
has ties to Russia.
1346
01:00:02,875 --> 01:00:05,333
The FBI is looking at him
very closely
1347
01:00:05,417 --> 01:00:09,291
whether he is in any way
under the influence
1348
01:00:09,375 --> 01:00:11,125
of Vladimir Putin.
1349
01:00:11,208 --> 01:00:12,375
The Russians were going
1350
01:00:12,458 --> 01:00:13,458
to try to co-opt,
1351
01:00:13,542 --> 01:00:14,583
influence, gain leverage--
1352
01:00:14,667 --> 01:00:15,750
whatever they could do.
1353
01:00:15,834 --> 01:00:17,875
They attempted to woo me,
1354
01:00:17,959 --> 01:00:19,875
and I...
1355
01:00:19,959 --> 01:00:22,125
...saw them doing that
with, General Flynn,
1356
01:00:22,208 --> 01:00:24,041
and I just kind of
1357
01:00:24,125 --> 01:00:27,083
offered some fatherly advice
about my own experience.
1358
01:00:27,166 --> 01:00:30,041
And do you think
he took that advice to heart?
1359
01:00:30,125 --> 01:00:31,000
No.
1360
01:00:32,333 --> 01:00:34,291
On January 24th,
1361
01:00:34,375 --> 01:00:35,917
as part of
our continuing investigation
1362
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,959
of Russian influence efforts,
1363
01:00:38,041 --> 01:00:40,125
I dispatched two agents
to the White House
1364
01:00:40,208 --> 01:00:41,792
to interview Flynn
about his conversations
1365
01:00:41,875 --> 01:00:43,458
with the Russians.
1366
01:00:43,542 --> 01:00:45,083
He lied to the agents.
1367
01:00:45,166 --> 01:00:48,792
Mike Flynn, for reasons
we do not understand yet,
1368
01:00:48,875 --> 01:00:50,834
lies to the FBI
1369
01:00:50,917 --> 01:00:52,792
about his Russia contacts.
1370
01:00:52,875 --> 01:00:56,375
Lying to the FBI is,
of course, a crime.
1371
01:00:56,458 --> 01:00:58,542
Two days later,
1372
01:00:58,625 --> 01:01:00,083
the acting attorney general,
1373
01:01:00,166 --> 01:01:02,792
Sally Yates,
warns the White House
1374
01:01:02,875 --> 01:01:04,917
that Flynn has lied to the FBI,
1375
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,250
that he is susceptible
to blackmail
1376
01:01:07,333 --> 01:01:08,792
by the Russians.
1377
01:01:10,333 --> 01:01:11,917
The next day,
1378
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,792
the phone rings
in Jim Comey's office.
1379
01:01:14,875 --> 01:01:16,625
The President
of the United States
1380
01:01:16,709 --> 01:01:17,792
would like to have him
for dinner.
1381
01:01:20,208 --> 01:01:23,291
Mr. Comey,
prior to January 27th
1382
01:01:23,375 --> 01:01:24,875
of this year,
1383
01:01:24,959 --> 01:01:27,125
have you ever had
a private dinner
1384
01:01:27,208 --> 01:01:30,125
with a President
of the United States?
1385
01:01:30,208 --> 01:01:31,125
No.
1386
01:01:31,208 --> 01:01:32,959
How unusual is it to have
1387
01:01:33,041 --> 01:01:35,583
a-a one-one-one dinner
1388
01:01:35,667 --> 01:01:38,250
with the president?
Did that strike you as odd?
1389
01:01:38,333 --> 01:01:41,375
Yeah, so much so that I assumed
there would be others,
1390
01:01:41,458 --> 01:01:43,792
that he couldn't possibly
be having dinner with me alone.
1391
01:01:43,875 --> 01:01:46,333
If you had behaved differently
in that dinner,
1392
01:01:46,417 --> 01:01:49,417
do you think you
would have still been fired?
1393
01:01:49,500 --> 01:01:50,625
I don't know.
1394
01:01:50,709 --> 01:01:52,417
I--it--it's impossible to say,
1395
01:01:52,500 --> 01:01:54,000
looking back.
I don't know.
1396
01:01:59,917 --> 01:02:01,792
At some point
early on,
1397
01:02:01,875 --> 01:02:03,417
Trump asked bluntly,
1398
01:02:03,500 --> 01:02:05,458
"So what do you want to do?"
1399
01:02:05,542 --> 01:02:07,500
It was an odd question
that I didn't
1400
01:02:07,583 --> 01:02:09,333
entirely understand at first,
1401
01:02:09,417 --> 01:02:10,667
but without waiting
for an answer,
1402
01:02:10,750 --> 01:02:12,041
he launched into a monologue
1403
01:02:12,125 --> 01:02:13,291
that made it crystal-clear
1404
01:02:13,375 --> 01:02:14,625
what he was referring to:
1405
01:02:14,709 --> 01:02:18,083
whether I wanted
to keep my job.
1406
01:02:18,166 --> 01:02:20,208
With a serious look
on his face, he said,
1407
01:02:20,291 --> 01:02:22,417
"I need loyalty.
1408
01:02:22,500 --> 01:02:24,417
I expect loyalty."
1409
01:02:27,291 --> 01:02:29,291
During the silence
that followed,
1410
01:02:29,375 --> 01:02:32,000
I didn't move, speak,
1411
01:02:32,083 --> 01:02:34,625
or change my facial expression
in any way.
1412
01:02:36,375 --> 01:02:37,834
It's the two of them
1413
01:02:37,917 --> 01:02:40,417
under the chandelier,
alone in the Green Room,
1414
01:02:40,500 --> 01:02:43,333
dining over shrimp scampi,
1415
01:02:43,417 --> 01:02:45,458
and at some point,
1416
01:02:45,542 --> 01:02:49,125
Comey has
an out-of-body experience,
1417
01:02:49,208 --> 01:02:52,834
and he's flashing back
on his early career,
1418
01:02:52,917 --> 01:02:54,542
interrogating,
investigating,
1419
01:02:54,625 --> 01:02:58,291
and prosecuting mafiosi.
1420
01:02:58,375 --> 01:03:00,875
He's looking at the president,
but he's seeing Sammy
1421
01:03:00,959 --> 01:03:02,166
"The Bull" Gravano,
1422
01:03:02,250 --> 01:03:03,500
listening to a don
1423
01:03:03,583 --> 01:03:07,125
saying "I need loyalty.
1424
01:03:07,208 --> 01:03:10,625
I need your loyalty."
1425
01:03:10,709 --> 01:03:13,125
It's gonna make
a great movie.
1426
01:03:13,208 --> 01:03:14,625
It's not surprising
1427
01:03:14,709 --> 01:03:16,959
that a president
would want loyalty
1428
01:03:17,041 --> 01:03:19,166
from a subordinate.
It is extremely surprising,
1429
01:03:19,250 --> 01:03:20,875
and stupid on Trump's part,
1430
01:03:20,959 --> 01:03:24,625
to overtly ask for loyalty
from Comey,
1431
01:03:24,709 --> 01:03:26,125
because first of all,
1432
01:03:26,208 --> 01:03:27,792
it looks like Trump is trying
1433
01:03:27,875 --> 01:03:30,083
to protect himself
from scrutiny.
1434
01:03:30,166 --> 01:03:30,875
Second of all,
1435
01:03:30,959 --> 01:03:32,333
there's no way
1436
01:03:32,417 --> 01:03:34,458
that anyone
in Comey's position,
1437
01:03:34,542 --> 01:03:36,250
and especially Jim Comey,
1438
01:03:36,333 --> 01:03:38,875
can give him the loyalty
that he thinks he needs
1439
01:03:38,959 --> 01:03:40,709
when there's an investigation
going on,
1440
01:03:40,792 --> 01:03:42,250
and Comey's got a job to do,
and he's running
1441
01:03:42,333 --> 01:03:44,333
the FBI.
1442
01:03:44,417 --> 01:03:46,667
I was determined
not to give the president
1443
01:03:46,750 --> 01:03:49,375
any hint of assent
to this demand,
1444
01:03:49,458 --> 01:03:50,875
so I gave silence instead.
1445
01:03:53,083 --> 01:03:55,041
He then returned
to the issue of loyalty,
1446
01:03:55,125 --> 01:03:58,542
saying again,
"I need loyalty."
1447
01:03:59,333 --> 01:04:01,709
I paused again.
1448
01:04:01,792 --> 01:04:05,000
"You will always get honesty
from me," I said.
1449
01:04:05,083 --> 01:04:08,291
He paused.
"That's what I want:
1450
01:04:08,375 --> 01:04:10,625
honest loyalty,"
he said.
1451
01:04:10,709 --> 01:04:13,417
This appeared to satisfy him
as some sort of deal
1452
01:04:13,500 --> 01:04:15,417
in which we were both winners.
1453
01:04:15,500 --> 01:04:19,041
"You will get that
from me," I said.
1454
01:04:19,125 --> 01:04:22,709
Jim has said
that he muffed the situation,
1455
01:04:22,792 --> 01:04:25,959
um, and that he regrets,
in retrospect,
1456
01:04:26,041 --> 01:04:28,375
compromising
with the president
1457
01:04:28,458 --> 01:04:30,750
on "honest loyalty."
1458
01:04:30,834 --> 01:04:32,333
I agree with him.
I think--
1459
01:04:32,417 --> 01:04:34,625
I think, ideally,
1460
01:04:34,709 --> 01:04:37,417
the right way to do it
would've been to say,
1461
01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:39,125
"Nope.
Sorry, Mr. President.
1462
01:04:39,208 --> 01:04:41,166
I cannot oblige you
on the loyalty thing.
1463
01:04:41,250 --> 01:04:43,000
You know.
Sorry.
1464
01:04:43,083 --> 01:04:46,041
You know, maybe you have
to fire me now, but,
1465
01:04:46,125 --> 01:04:48,792
like, I don't--loyalty is--
that's just not what I do.
1466
01:04:48,875 --> 01:04:49,959
I have an oath
to the Constitution.
1467
01:04:50,041 --> 01:04:51,250
End of story."
1468
01:04:53,709 --> 01:04:56,041
I think it is interesting
1469
01:04:56,125 --> 01:04:59,250
that nobody else has told
a story like this,
1470
01:04:59,333 --> 01:05:01,208
and I doubt very much
it's because
1471
01:05:01,291 --> 01:05:02,667
nobody else
has been asked
1472
01:05:02,750 --> 01:05:05,625
for a loyalty oath,
1473
01:05:05,709 --> 01:05:07,917
and I want to know
1474
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,417
who exactly
in the federal government
1475
01:05:10,500 --> 01:05:11,875
did better than Jim,
1476
01:05:11,959 --> 01:05:13,917
faced one-on-one
with the president,
1477
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,625
asked for loyalty.
1478
01:05:22,834 --> 01:05:24,542
Embattled
national security advisor
1479
01:05:24,625 --> 01:05:26,000
General Michael Flynn
1480
01:05:26,083 --> 01:05:27,792
stepping down Monday night.
1481
01:05:27,875 --> 01:05:29,208
Michael Flynn forced
1482
01:05:29,291 --> 01:05:31,250
to resign for not telling
the truth
1483
01:05:31,333 --> 01:05:33,083
about his contacts
with the Russian ambassador.
1484
01:05:33,166 --> 01:05:34,291
The shakeup
comes at a critical time
1485
01:05:34,375 --> 01:05:36,125
for President Trump.
1486
01:05:36,208 --> 01:05:37,542
That also
raised questions
1487
01:05:37,625 --> 01:05:39,000
about the relationship
with Russia,
1488
01:05:39,083 --> 01:05:40,417
which still remains
a big question.
1489
01:05:42,792 --> 01:05:44,291
Happy Valentine's Day.
I can sense
1490
01:05:44,375 --> 01:05:45,834
the love in the room.
1491
01:05:45,917 --> 01:05:48,250
Um, I want to address
1492
01:05:48,333 --> 01:05:50,542
the events of last night,
first and foremost.
1493
01:05:50,625 --> 01:05:52,792
The evolving and eroding
level of trust
1494
01:05:52,875 --> 01:05:54,917
as a result
of this situation
1495
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,709
is what led the president
1496
01:05:56,792 --> 01:05:59,375
to ask for General Flynn's
resignation.
1497
01:05:59,458 --> 01:06:02,667
Why would the president,
if he was notified 17 days ago
1498
01:06:02,750 --> 01:06:04,458
that Flynn was
a potential threat
1499
01:06:04,542 --> 01:06:06,000
to blackmail by the Russians,
1500
01:06:06,083 --> 01:06:08,083
why would he be kept on
1501
01:06:08,166 --> 01:06:10,333
for almost three weeks?
1502
01:06:10,417 --> 01:06:14,625
Once we understood
that this was a showdown
1503
01:06:14,709 --> 01:06:18,750
that involved lies
from the president's
1504
01:06:18,834 --> 01:06:20,792
national security advisor--
1505
01:06:20,875 --> 01:06:23,709
that's when we began
to move, publicly at least,
1506
01:06:23,792 --> 01:06:25,542
into uncharted territory.
1507
01:06:30,083 --> 01:06:31,709
In your estimation,
was General Flynn,
1508
01:06:31,792 --> 01:06:34,959
at that time,
in serious legal jeopardy?
1509
01:06:35,041 --> 01:06:36,667
General Flynn,
at that point in time,
1510
01:06:36,750 --> 01:06:38,417
was in legal jeopardy.
1511
01:06:38,500 --> 01:06:40,875
There was an open
FBI criminal investigation
1512
01:06:40,959 --> 01:06:42,625
of his statements in connection
1513
01:06:42,709 --> 01:06:44,291
with the Russian contacts
1514
01:06:44,375 --> 01:06:46,709
and the contacts themselves.
1515
01:06:46,792 --> 01:06:49,458
And I--I think that is
very significant, because
1516
01:06:49,542 --> 01:06:51,000
on February 14th,
1517
01:06:51,083 --> 01:06:52,458
you were in a meeting,
1518
01:06:52,542 --> 01:06:53,750
and the president asked
1519
01:06:53,834 --> 01:06:56,000
everyone to leave,
1520
01:06:56,083 --> 01:06:58,500
including the attorney general
to leave,
1521
01:06:58,583 --> 01:07:03,417
before he brought up
the matter of General Flynn,
1522
01:07:03,500 --> 01:07:05,709
and have you ever seen
anything like that before?
1523
01:07:05,792 --> 01:07:06,458
No,
1524
01:07:06,542 --> 01:07:07,875
and so I knew
1525
01:07:07,959 --> 01:07:09,333
something was about to happen
1526
01:07:09,417 --> 01:07:10,750
that I needed to pay
1527
01:07:10,834 --> 01:07:11,500
very close attention to.
1528
01:07:18,500 --> 01:07:20,333
The president
seemed oddly uninterested
1529
01:07:20,417 --> 01:07:22,709
and distracted during
the classified briefing.
1530
01:07:22,792 --> 01:07:24,625
At the end
of this low-energy session,
1531
01:07:24,709 --> 01:07:27,083
he signaled
that the briefing was over.
1532
01:07:27,166 --> 01:07:29,125
Then, pointing at me,
he added,
1533
01:07:29,208 --> 01:07:32,125
"I just want to talk to Jim.
Thanks, everybody."
1534
01:07:32,208 --> 01:07:34,083
The president began
by saying
1535
01:07:34,166 --> 01:07:36,041
General Flynn hadn't done
anything wrong
1536
01:07:36,125 --> 01:07:38,583
in speaking with the Russians.
He then said,
1537
01:07:38,667 --> 01:07:40,959
"I hope you can see
your way clear
1538
01:07:41,041 --> 01:07:43,250
to letting this go,
to letting Flynn go.
1539
01:07:43,333 --> 01:07:46,583
He is a good guy.
I hope you can let this go."
1540
01:07:48,667 --> 01:07:50,625
Think about it.
1541
01:07:50,709 --> 01:07:52,709
The President
of the United States
1542
01:07:52,792 --> 01:07:55,000
asking the FBI director
1543
01:07:55,083 --> 01:07:57,709
to drop
an ongoing investigation.
1544
01:07:57,792 --> 01:07:59,959
Thank you, sir.
1545
01:08:00,041 --> 01:08:01,917
Senator Risch.
1546
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,458
Thank you very much.
You wrote down the words,
1547
01:08:04,542 --> 01:08:06,917
so we can all have the words
in front of us now.
1548
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,000
Quote, "I hope--"
this is the president speaking.
1549
01:08:10,083 --> 01:08:12,375
"I hope
you can let this go."
1550
01:08:12,458 --> 01:08:15,000
Now, those are his exact words.
Is that correct?
1551
01:08:15,083 --> 01:08:16,333
Correct.
-Okay.
1552
01:08:16,417 --> 01:08:20,041
He did not direct you
to let it go.
1553
01:08:20,125 --> 01:08:21,792
Not in his words, no.
1554
01:08:21,875 --> 01:08:24,583
He did not order you
to let it go.
1555
01:08:24,667 --> 01:08:26,542
Again, those words
are not an order.
1556
01:08:26,625 --> 01:08:27,583
No.
1557
01:08:27,667 --> 01:08:29,208
He said, "I hope."
1558
01:08:29,291 --> 01:08:31,667
The reason I keep saying
"his words" is
1559
01:08:31,750 --> 01:08:34,375
I took it as a direction.
1560
01:08:34,458 --> 01:08:36,375
I mean, this is the
President of the United States
1561
01:08:36,458 --> 01:08:38,667
with me alone,
saying "I hope" this.
1562
01:08:38,750 --> 01:08:40,625
I didn't obey that,
but that's the way I took it.
1563
01:08:40,709 --> 01:08:42,500
All right.
1564
01:08:42,583 --> 01:08:45,166
When you have the President
of the United States
1565
01:08:45,250 --> 01:08:47,250
saying to the chief
law enforcement officer,
1566
01:08:47,333 --> 01:08:49,625
"Hey, look the other way
on my guy,"
1567
01:08:49,709 --> 01:08:52,208
that is an enormous
red flag.
1568
01:08:53,083 --> 01:08:55,458
It sure seems
like a cover-up,
1569
01:08:55,542 --> 01:08:57,834
and that is why
we have to start looking
1570
01:08:57,917 --> 01:08:59,917
at obstruction of justice.
1571
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,625
Do you sense that the president
1572
01:09:01,709 --> 01:09:03,041
was trying to obstruct justice,
1573
01:09:03,125 --> 01:09:04,875
or just seek for a way
1574
01:09:04,959 --> 01:09:06,709
for Mike Flynn to save face,
1575
01:09:06,792 --> 01:09:08,625
given he had already
been fired?
1576
01:09:08,709 --> 01:09:11,458
Obstruction of justice
is a technical crime.
1577
01:09:11,542 --> 01:09:14,000
It is something
that requires evidence,
1578
01:09:14,083 --> 01:09:17,041
you know, that stands up
in a court of law.
1579
01:09:17,125 --> 01:09:19,000
Now, there is
no constitutional rule
1580
01:09:19,083 --> 01:09:21,000
that says the president
is not allowed
1581
01:09:21,083 --> 01:09:23,625
to instruct the FBI director
1582
01:09:23,709 --> 01:09:25,583
as to how to conduct
an investigation.
1583
01:09:25,667 --> 01:09:28,834
In fact, he is
constitutionally authorized
1584
01:09:28,917 --> 01:09:31,166
to do exactly that.
1585
01:09:31,250 --> 01:09:32,208
Despite the norms
1586
01:09:32,291 --> 01:09:33,875
about FBI independence,
1587
01:09:33,959 --> 01:09:35,625
he's the chief prosecutor.
1588
01:09:35,709 --> 01:09:37,208
In some sense,
1589
01:09:37,291 --> 01:09:38,667
he is allowed to decide
1590
01:09:38,750 --> 01:09:40,291
who gets prosecuted or not,
1591
01:09:40,375 --> 01:09:42,583
and the paradox
and difficulty here
1592
01:09:42,667 --> 01:09:45,500
is whether the president
was acting
1593
01:09:45,583 --> 01:09:47,375
within his legitimate
constitutional power
1594
01:09:47,458 --> 01:09:49,083
to direct an investigation,
1595
01:09:49,166 --> 01:09:50,875
or whether he crossed
the line somehow,
1596
01:09:50,959 --> 01:09:54,083
if the line can be crossed,
into criminality.
1597
01:09:54,166 --> 01:09:55,709
And so
it looks suspicious,
1598
01:09:55,792 --> 01:09:57,667
but at the end of the day,
1599
01:09:57,750 --> 01:10:00,458
a lot of this does turn
on criminal intent,
1600
01:10:00,542 --> 01:10:02,667
and we'd have to get into,
really,
1601
01:10:02,750 --> 01:10:05,500
what was President Trump's
state of mind at the time,
1602
01:10:05,583 --> 01:10:08,375
which is often
very hard to prove,
1603
01:10:08,458 --> 01:10:10,917
because the prosecutor asks,
"What were you thinking?"
1604
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:12,542
and the defendant says,
"I'm taking
1605
01:10:12,625 --> 01:10:14,208
my Fifth Amendment rights,"
1606
01:10:14,291 --> 01:10:17,000
and so what you need to do
as a prosecutor
1607
01:10:17,083 --> 01:10:18,458
is look to extrinsic evidence--
1608
01:10:18,542 --> 01:10:20,500
did he talk to other folks,
1609
01:10:20,583 --> 01:10:22,875
what did he say to his
national security advisor,
1610
01:10:22,959 --> 01:10:24,750
does he have
anything written down
1611
01:10:24,834 --> 01:10:26,083
that might bear on this--
1612
01:10:26,166 --> 01:10:30,083
and then start
to build a case.
1613
01:10:30,166 --> 01:10:32,542
This is one of the reasons
why I think
1614
01:10:32,625 --> 01:10:34,375
that as a legal matter,
the claim that Trump
1615
01:10:34,458 --> 01:10:36,417
committed obstruction
of justice is much harder
1616
01:10:36,500 --> 01:10:38,625
than most commentators
have made it seem,
1617
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:41,959
but it's--the legal matter
is not what's important.
1618
01:10:42,041 --> 01:10:43,291
What's important is that
1619
01:10:43,375 --> 01:10:45,125
the President
of the United States
1620
01:10:45,208 --> 01:10:46,917
was trying to shape
an investigation
1621
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,750
into himself
and his subordinates
1622
01:10:48,834 --> 01:10:50,375
in a way that
1623
01:10:50,458 --> 01:10:52,792
is a complete violation
of all the norms
1624
01:10:52,875 --> 01:10:55,125
that have been put in place
since Watergate.
1625
01:11:00,250 --> 01:11:02,125
It's all fake news.
1626
01:11:02,208 --> 01:11:04,667
Mike Flynn is a fine person.
1627
01:11:04,750 --> 01:11:06,709
Mike was doing his job.
1628
01:11:06,792 --> 01:11:08,041
He was calling countries
1629
01:11:08,125 --> 01:11:09,375
and his counterparts.
1630
01:11:10,792 --> 01:11:12,208
Yes, go ahead.
1631
01:11:12,291 --> 01:11:12,959
Can you say
whether you
1632
01:11:13,041 --> 01:11:14,291
are aware that anyone
1633
01:11:14,375 --> 01:11:15,208
who advised your campaign
1634
01:11:15,291 --> 01:11:16,709
had contacts with Russia
1635
01:11:16,792 --> 01:11:17,542
during the course
of the election?
1636
01:11:17,625 --> 01:11:18,625
How many times do I have
1637
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:20,583
to answer this question?
1638
01:11:20,667 --> 01:11:22,250
- Can you just say--
- Russia is a ruse.
1639
01:11:22,333 --> 01:11:23,709
Yeah, I know you have
to get up and ask a question.
1640
01:11:23,792 --> 01:11:25,458
It's so important.
Russia is a ruse.
1641
01:11:25,542 --> 01:11:27,333
I have nothing
to do with Russia.
1642
01:11:27,417 --> 01:11:29,125
To the best of my t--
knowledge,
1643
01:11:29,208 --> 01:11:31,000
no person that I deal with...
1644
01:11:37,917 --> 01:11:39,041
Jeff Sessions met twice
1645
01:11:39,125 --> 01:11:41,041
with the Russian ambassador
1646
01:11:41,125 --> 01:11:42,000
to the United States
1647
01:11:42,083 --> 01:11:43,083
during last year's
1648
01:11:43,166 --> 01:11:44,625
presidential campaign.
1649
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:46,291
As attorney general,
1650
01:11:46,375 --> 01:11:47,834
it's Jeff Sessions'
responsibility
1651
01:11:47,917 --> 01:11:49,792
to oversee
any potential investigation
1652
01:11:49,875 --> 01:11:52,750
into the Trump campaign's
relationship with Russia.
1653
01:11:52,834 --> 01:11:54,750
Now, several are suggesting
1654
01:11:54,834 --> 01:11:56,500
that the nation's
chief law enforcement officer
1655
01:11:56,583 --> 01:11:58,500
himself step aside.
1656
01:11:58,583 --> 01:12:00,208
The president
was very concerned
1657
01:12:00,291 --> 01:12:01,458
when he first heard
about this,
1658
01:12:01,542 --> 01:12:03,041
and had
the White House counsel,
1659
01:12:03,125 --> 01:12:04,000
Don McGahn,
1660
01:12:04,083 --> 01:12:05,750
try and lobby Sessions
1661
01:12:05,834 --> 01:12:06,834
not to step aside.
1662
01:12:06,917 --> 01:12:08,792
I have been here
1663
01:12:08,875 --> 01:12:11,333
just three weeks today.
1664
01:12:11,417 --> 01:12:14,917
A lot has been happening,
in this three-week period.
1665
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,250
Ultimately, Sessions said,
"Look, the career folks
1666
01:12:17,333 --> 01:12:18,875
here at the Justice Department
1667
01:12:18,959 --> 01:12:20,458
who advised me on this said
1668
01:12:20,542 --> 01:12:22,375
that I have to not
be involved in this
1669
01:12:22,458 --> 01:12:24,208
because of my role
in the campaign."
1670
01:12:24,291 --> 01:12:26,750
Therefore,
I have recused myself,
1671
01:12:26,834 --> 01:12:30,959
in the matters that deal
with the Trump campaign.
1672
01:12:31,041 --> 01:12:32,417
Jeff Sessions, who is
1673
01:12:32,500 --> 01:12:33,834
a politician
through and through,
1674
01:12:33,917 --> 01:12:36,291
bent to the norms
1675
01:12:36,375 --> 01:12:38,834
of independence
of the department.
1676
01:12:38,917 --> 01:12:40,834
You don't want
the attorney general
1677
01:12:40,917 --> 01:12:43,083
to be conducting
an investigation
1678
01:12:43,166 --> 01:12:45,000
where he has
a conflict of interest.
1679
01:12:45,750 --> 01:12:47,583
So the number two person,
Rod Rosenstein,
1680
01:12:47,667 --> 01:12:49,542
who occupied the position
that Comey had
1681
01:12:49,625 --> 01:12:51,500
when I was in
the Justice Department--
1682
01:12:51,583 --> 01:12:53,083
he was the deputy
attorney general--
1683
01:12:53,166 --> 01:12:54,667
he became,
for the Russia matter,
1684
01:12:54,750 --> 01:12:55,834
the acting attorney general,
1685
01:12:55,917 --> 01:12:57,250
just as Comey had become,
1686
01:12:57,333 --> 01:12:58,792
for the surveillance program
1687
01:12:58,875 --> 01:13:00,250
in 2004,
the acting attorney general,
1688
01:13:00,333 --> 01:13:02,333
and so this actually worked
1689
01:13:02,417 --> 01:13:04,250
the way it was supposed
to work.
1690
01:13:04,333 --> 01:13:06,667
Thank you all.
Take care.
1691
01:13:06,750 --> 01:13:08,792
But when
Sessions recused himself,
1692
01:13:08,875 --> 01:13:11,417
Trump became enraged.
1693
01:13:11,500 --> 01:13:13,709
A source is telling CNN
1694
01:13:13,792 --> 01:13:16,291
that the president
was frustrated and angry.
1695
01:13:16,375 --> 01:13:19,542
That led to a fiery meeting
in the Oval Office,
1696
01:13:19,625 --> 01:13:22,375
where there were, quote,
"a lot of expletives."
1697
01:13:22,458 --> 01:13:24,083
The President
of the United States
1698
01:13:24,166 --> 01:13:25,959
is infuriated,
1699
01:13:26,041 --> 01:13:27,667
because he wants loyalty.
1700
01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:29,834
He wants his man
1701
01:13:29,917 --> 01:13:32,125
in charge
of the Russia investigation,
1702
01:13:32,208 --> 01:13:34,458
and he can't have it.
1703
01:13:35,875 --> 01:13:37,750
After that angry
White House meeting,
1704
01:13:37,834 --> 01:13:39,667
the president left
for Florida,
1705
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:41,709
and it was from
his Mar-a-Lago estate
1706
01:13:41,792 --> 01:13:43,625
on Saturday morning
that Trump tweeted out
1707
01:13:43,709 --> 01:13:45,458
that explosive accusation
1708
01:13:45,542 --> 01:13:47,625
that President Obama
ordered the wiretapping
1709
01:13:47,709 --> 01:13:49,291
of his phone
and Trump Tower
1710
01:13:49,375 --> 01:13:51,333
during the campaign.
1711
01:13:51,417 --> 01:13:53,458
Trump is trying
to muddy the waters
1712
01:13:53,542 --> 01:13:55,959
and distract
from the Russia probe.
1713
01:13:56,041 --> 01:13:57,667
Along comes Comey
1714
01:13:57,750 --> 01:13:59,417
to set the record straight
1715
01:13:59,500 --> 01:14:01,250
in a very public way.
1716
01:14:03,083 --> 01:14:04,250
Tomorrow, James Comey
1717
01:14:04,333 --> 01:14:05,917
will publicly answer questions
1718
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,125
about the president's
wiretapping claims.
1719
01:14:08,208 --> 01:14:09,500
The setting this time:
1720
01:14:09,583 --> 01:14:11,083
the House Intelligence
Committee.
1721
01:14:11,166 --> 01:14:13,000
It promises
to be a blockbuster.
1722
01:14:13,083 --> 01:14:15,375
How directly will
he take on the president
1723
01:14:15,458 --> 01:14:17,458
in open session?
If he does,
1724
01:14:17,542 --> 01:14:20,166
how is the president
gonna respond?
1725
01:14:21,959 --> 01:14:24,333
The committee
will come to order.
1726
01:14:24,417 --> 01:14:26,083
Director Comey,
1727
01:14:26,166 --> 01:14:28,959
I want to begin
by attempting to put to rest
1728
01:14:29,041 --> 01:14:31,041
several claims
made by the president
1729
01:14:31,125 --> 01:14:32,834
about his predecessor,
1730
01:14:32,917 --> 01:14:34,375
namely, that President Obama
1731
01:14:34,458 --> 01:14:36,417
wiretapped his phones.
1732
01:14:36,500 --> 01:14:38,792
I have no information
that supports those tweets,
1733
01:14:38,875 --> 01:14:41,750
and we have looked carefully
inside the FBI.
1734
01:14:41,834 --> 01:14:43,417
The president accused
1735
01:14:43,500 --> 01:14:45,625
Mr. Obama,
and presumably the FBI,
1736
01:14:45,709 --> 01:14:47,750
of engaging in McCarthyism.
1737
01:14:47,834 --> 01:14:50,083
Were you engaged
in McCarthyism, Director Comey?
1738
01:14:50,166 --> 01:14:52,125
I try very hard
not to engage in any isms
1739
01:14:52,208 --> 01:14:53,583
of any kind,
1740
01:14:53,667 --> 01:14:56,375
including--
including McCarthyism.
1741
01:14:56,458 --> 01:14:57,792
The investigation
in the House
1742
01:14:57,875 --> 01:14:59,375
Intelligence Committee
1743
01:14:59,458 --> 01:15:01,625
began as
a bipartisan investigation.
1744
01:15:01,709 --> 01:15:03,333
Um, but then we had
1745
01:15:03,417 --> 01:15:05,625
the open hearing
with James Comey.
1746
01:15:05,709 --> 01:15:07,041
Director Comey,
you're recognized
1747
01:15:07,125 --> 01:15:08,458
for five minutes.
1748
01:15:08,542 --> 01:15:10,041
As you know,
our practice
1749
01:15:10,125 --> 01:15:11,709
is not to confirm
1750
01:15:11,792 --> 01:15:14,250
the existence
of ongoing investigations,
1751
01:15:14,333 --> 01:15:16,792
but in unusual circumstances,
1752
01:15:16,875 --> 01:15:19,500
where it is
in the public interest,
1753
01:15:19,583 --> 01:15:22,291
it may be appropriate
to do so.
1754
01:15:22,375 --> 01:15:24,959
This is one
of those circumstances.
1755
01:15:26,875 --> 01:15:28,709
He announced
for the first time
1756
01:15:28,792 --> 01:15:30,542
that there had been
a counterintelligence
1757
01:15:30,625 --> 01:15:31,875
investigation
of the Trump campaign
1758
01:15:31,959 --> 01:15:34,792
going on since July.
1759
01:15:34,875 --> 01:15:36,500
I was told thereafter
1760
01:15:36,583 --> 01:15:38,208
that the GOP members
of our committee
1761
01:15:38,291 --> 01:15:39,542
viewed that hearing
1762
01:15:39,625 --> 01:15:41,834
as an unmitigated disaster,
1763
01:15:41,917 --> 01:15:44,083
which was curious to me,
1764
01:15:44,166 --> 01:15:46,458
because it was only a disaster
if you viewed
1765
01:15:46,542 --> 01:15:48,208
as your mission
protecting the president.
1766
01:15:48,291 --> 01:15:50,834
We were attacked
by a hostile power.
1767
01:15:50,917 --> 01:15:53,125
In a normal time,
1768
01:15:53,208 --> 01:15:55,500
the legislative branch
of government
1769
01:15:55,583 --> 01:15:58,834
would say,
"What the hell just happened?"
1770
01:15:58,917 --> 01:16:00,542
Director Comey,
you announced this morning
1771
01:16:00,625 --> 01:16:02,083
that there'll be
an investigation
1772
01:16:02,166 --> 01:16:04,500
into Trump associates.
Do Russians
1773
01:16:04,583 --> 01:16:06,917
historically prefer Republicans
1774
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,458
to win over Democrats?
1775
01:16:09,542 --> 01:16:10,834
I don't know
the answer to that.
1776
01:16:10,917 --> 01:16:11,875
Did the Russians
1777
01:16:11,959 --> 01:16:13,250
prefer Mitt Romney
1778
01:16:13,333 --> 01:16:15,792
over Barack Obama in 2012?
1779
01:16:15,875 --> 01:16:18,083
I never saw a U.S.
intelligence community
1780
01:16:18,166 --> 01:16:19,875
analytic position
on that issue.
1781
01:16:19,959 --> 01:16:21,917
Don't you think
it's ridiculous to say
1782
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:24,500
that somehow, the Russians,
prefer
1783
01:16:24,583 --> 01:16:27,083
Republicans over--
over Democrats?
1784
01:16:30,875 --> 01:16:32,709
With the election
of Donald Trump,
1785
01:16:32,792 --> 01:16:34,000
you got
a Republican president,
1786
01:16:34,083 --> 01:16:35,875
you got a Republican Congress,
1787
01:16:35,959 --> 01:16:37,417
and the Republican Congress
1788
01:16:37,500 --> 01:16:40,750
proves unwilling and unable
1789
01:16:40,834 --> 01:16:43,125
to investigate
the Republican president.
1790
01:16:43,208 --> 01:16:45,166
Director Comey,
do you have any evidence
1791
01:16:45,250 --> 01:16:46,417
at the FBI that any
1792
01:16:46,500 --> 01:16:48,208
current Trump White House
1793
01:16:48,291 --> 01:16:49,500
or administration official
1794
01:16:49,583 --> 01:16:51,208
coordinated with the Russian
1795
01:16:51,291 --> 01:16:53,500
intelligence services?
-That's not something
1796
01:16:53,583 --> 01:16:55,542
I can answer
in an open setting.
1797
01:16:55,625 --> 01:16:57,875
Well, we're conducting
our own investigation here,
1798
01:16:57,959 --> 01:16:59,500
and I know that you're
not going to tell me
1799
01:16:59,583 --> 01:17:01,083
whether or not
you have any evidence,
1800
01:17:01,166 --> 01:17:02,792
but I can tell you that
we don't have any evidence.
1801
01:17:02,875 --> 01:17:05,083
You know, there is
a big gray cloud
1802
01:17:05,166 --> 01:17:06,709
that you have now put over,
1803
01:17:06,792 --> 01:17:07,959
people who have
very important work to do
1804
01:17:08,041 --> 01:17:09,166
to lead this country.
1805
01:17:09,250 --> 01:17:11,458
I understand.
Thank you.
1806
01:17:14,041 --> 01:17:16,500
If you think about
the antics of Devin Nunes,
1807
01:17:16,583 --> 01:17:18,625
there's some
deep, deep worry
1808
01:17:18,709 --> 01:17:20,500
that there are people
in Congress
1809
01:17:20,583 --> 01:17:22,417
who don't care
about the law,
1810
01:17:22,500 --> 01:17:24,667
who don't care
about the Constitution,
1811
01:17:24,750 --> 01:17:27,208
and care only
about getting reelected
1812
01:17:27,291 --> 01:17:29,458
and having
their president reelected.
1813
01:17:29,542 --> 01:17:31,125
Among the majority party,
1814
01:17:31,208 --> 01:17:32,709
there's no interest
in finding out
1815
01:17:32,792 --> 01:17:33,917
what the Russians did,
1816
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:35,667
or what the Trump campaign did,
1817
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:37,625
or what they did
in combination.
1818
01:17:37,709 --> 01:17:39,375
That is damning evidence
1819
01:17:39,458 --> 01:17:41,291
that our system is
1820
01:17:41,375 --> 01:17:43,333
cracking in terms
1821
01:17:43,417 --> 01:17:45,542
of its checks and balances.
1822
01:17:51,250 --> 01:17:52,667
What you have
1823
01:17:52,750 --> 01:17:54,792
in the House Intelligence
Committee is
1824
01:17:54,875 --> 01:17:57,458
a chairman who has
essentially destroyed
1825
01:17:57,542 --> 01:17:59,250
the checks and balances
1826
01:17:59,333 --> 01:18:00,750
that are written
into the Constitution
1827
01:18:00,834 --> 01:18:03,542
to construct
a Trumpian reality
1828
01:18:03,625 --> 01:18:05,500
around a terrible event.
1829
01:18:05,583 --> 01:18:07,500
And as we sit here today,
1830
01:18:07,583 --> 01:18:09,792
we know
they're coming at us again,
1831
01:18:09,875 --> 01:18:12,083
and we haven't done
a damn thing about it.
1832
01:18:30,500 --> 01:18:32,417
He asked
what we could do
1833
01:18:32,500 --> 01:18:35,166
to lift the cloud.
I responded that we were
1834
01:18:35,250 --> 01:18:37,875
investigating the matter
as quickly as we could.
1835
01:18:37,959 --> 01:18:39,583
The president went on to say
that if there were
1836
01:18:39,667 --> 01:18:41,959
some satellite associates
of his
1837
01:18:42,041 --> 01:18:43,625
who did something wrong,
1838
01:18:43,709 --> 01:18:45,333
it would be good
to find that out,
1839
01:18:45,417 --> 01:18:46,667
but then reemphasized
the problems
1840
01:18:46,750 --> 01:18:48,417
this was causing him
1841
01:18:48,500 --> 01:18:50,166
and said he hoped
I could find a way
1842
01:18:50,250 --> 01:18:52,458
to get out that he wasn't
being investigated.
1843
01:18:52,542 --> 01:18:54,000
Now, I understand
1844
01:18:54,083 --> 01:18:56,500
that you received
a call from Trump as well.
1845
01:18:56,583 --> 01:18:58,875
I--you know, I did.
You know--
1846
01:18:58,959 --> 01:19:00,750
Look, God knows
I don't fully understand
1847
01:19:00,834 --> 01:19:02,875
why Donald Trump does
all that he does,
1848
01:19:02,959 --> 01:19:05,458
but there's all sorts of ways
1849
01:19:05,542 --> 01:19:07,583
someone who is in
political office
1850
01:19:07,667 --> 01:19:10,709
can try to put the arm
on someone who's a prosecutor
1851
01:19:10,792 --> 01:19:12,583
or a law enforcement official.
1852
01:19:12,667 --> 01:19:15,208
Someone will say,
"Stop working on that case."
1853
01:19:15,291 --> 01:19:17,750
People can also say,
"Could you open up a case?"
1854
01:19:17,834 --> 01:19:21,333
Now, our jurisdiction
included his properties,
1855
01:19:21,417 --> 01:19:23,250
his residents, bank accounts,
family members--
1856
01:19:23,333 --> 01:19:25,250
I'm not saying that we
were looking
1857
01:19:25,333 --> 01:19:27,125
at any of those things
necessarily,
1858
01:19:27,208 --> 01:19:30,041
but that was what
our ambit included.
1859
01:19:30,125 --> 01:19:32,917
Ordinarily, if someone
of that position
1860
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,208
is gonna be calling
the local prosecutor
1861
01:19:35,291 --> 01:19:37,041
in a jurisdiction
as I described,
1862
01:19:37,125 --> 01:19:38,959
there would've been
some warning about it,
1863
01:19:39,041 --> 01:19:40,500
it would have been set up
through the attorney general--
1864
01:19:40,583 --> 01:19:41,792
I mean, there is protocol
1865
01:19:41,875 --> 01:19:43,792
for precisely the purpose
1866
01:19:43,875 --> 01:19:45,917
of making sure that lines
are not crossed,
1867
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:47,500
so we considered
whether or not
1868
01:19:47,583 --> 01:19:49,041
I should return the call
1869
01:19:49,125 --> 01:19:50,959
and actually make
a tape recording
1870
01:19:51,041 --> 01:19:52,667
of the phone call
between the sitting
1871
01:19:52,750 --> 01:19:54,125
United States attorney
and the sitting president,
1872
01:19:54,208 --> 01:19:55,500
and we thought that was
a bridge too far.
1873
01:19:55,583 --> 01:19:57,125
That didn't feel right,
1874
01:19:57,208 --> 01:19:59,083
and then we taught--
thought to ourselves
1875
01:19:59,166 --> 01:20:00,542
we could take
contemporaneous notes,
1876
01:20:00,625 --> 01:20:02,917
and I later learned
Jim Comey did.
1877
01:20:04,917 --> 01:20:06,917
Why was there
so much of an instinct
1878
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,291
for people to want
to have a record
1879
01:20:09,375 --> 01:20:12,542
of a conversation
with President Trump?
1880
01:20:12,625 --> 01:20:14,500
On the morning
of April 11th,
1881
01:20:14,583 --> 01:20:16,875
the president called to ask
what I had done
1882
01:20:16,959 --> 01:20:19,125
about his request
that I get out
1883
01:20:19,208 --> 01:20:21,125
that he is not personally
under investigation.
1884
01:20:21,208 --> 01:20:24,500
He seemed irritated with me.
Then he added,
1885
01:20:24,583 --> 01:20:27,625
"Because I have been
very loyal to you. Very loyal.
1886
01:20:27,709 --> 01:20:29,041
We had that thing, you know."
1887
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:34,959
You described
two phone calls
1888
01:20:35,041 --> 01:20:36,542
that you received
from President Trump
1889
01:20:36,625 --> 01:20:38,458
where he asked you,
1890
01:20:38,542 --> 01:20:41,792
quote, "to lift the cloud,"
end quote.
1891
01:20:41,875 --> 01:20:43,542
Talk for a moment about
1892
01:20:43,625 --> 01:20:45,291
your response to that
1893
01:20:45,375 --> 01:20:47,875
and what impact
you believe that had.
1894
01:20:47,959 --> 01:20:50,875
Well, I didn't do it, and so
1895
01:20:50,959 --> 01:20:53,875
this didn't improve
the relationship.
1896
01:20:53,959 --> 01:20:57,125
Please go into that
with more detail.
1897
01:20:57,208 --> 01:21:00,166
He was frustrated
with the
1898
01:21:00,250 --> 01:21:02,375
Russia investigation
1899
01:21:02,458 --> 01:21:04,875
and something about the way
I was conducting it
1900
01:21:04,959 --> 01:21:06,750
the president felt
1901
01:21:06,834 --> 01:21:09,125
created pressure on him
that he wanted to relieve.
1902
01:21:09,208 --> 01:21:11,375
After April 11th,
1903
01:21:11,458 --> 01:21:14,959
did he ask you more, ever,
1904
01:21:15,041 --> 01:21:18,125
about the Russia investigation?
1905
01:21:18,208 --> 01:21:19,000
No.
1906
01:21:19,083 --> 01:21:20,291
We never spoke again
1907
01:21:20,375 --> 01:21:21,166
after April 11th.
1908
01:21:26,583 --> 01:21:28,000
I was in Los Angeles
to attend
1909
01:21:28,083 --> 01:21:30,583
a diversity agent
recruiting event.
1910
01:21:30,667 --> 01:21:32,542
I went early enough
to have time
1911
01:21:32,625 --> 01:21:35,583
to visit the FBI's
Los Angeles field office.
1912
01:21:35,667 --> 01:21:37,208
I met dozens
of LA employees
1913
01:21:37,291 --> 01:21:38,625
standing at their desks,
1914
01:21:38,709 --> 01:21:41,166
and then I stopped.
1915
01:21:41,250 --> 01:21:43,458
On the TV screens
along the back wall,
1916
01:21:43,542 --> 01:21:45,625
I could see "Comey Fired"
1917
01:21:45,709 --> 01:21:47,792
in large letters.
1918
01:21:47,875 --> 01:21:49,417
This is coming on the heels
1919
01:21:49,500 --> 01:21:51,083
of the FBI director being,
1920
01:21:51,166 --> 01:21:52,667
so central
1921
01:21:52,750 --> 01:21:54,208
involved in this,
Russian scandal.
1922
01:21:54,291 --> 01:21:56,208
Across three screens,
1923
01:21:56,291 --> 01:21:58,208
displaying three
different news stations,
1924
01:21:58,291 --> 01:22:00,375
I now saw
the same words.
1925
01:22:00,458 --> 01:22:02,583
President Trump acted based on
the clear recommendations
1926
01:22:02,667 --> 01:22:05,083
of deputy attorney general,
1927
01:22:05,166 --> 01:22:06,375
Rod Rosenstein.
1928
01:22:06,458 --> 01:22:08,000
I just got a letter.
1929
01:22:08,083 --> 01:22:09,750
It's a lengthy letter,
a three-page letter,
1930
01:22:09,834 --> 01:22:11,417
from the deputy
attorney general.
1931
01:22:11,500 --> 01:22:12,750
The deputy attorney general
1932
01:22:12,834 --> 01:22:14,208
Rod Rosenstein said,
1933
01:22:14,291 --> 01:22:16,417
"I could not defend
the director.
1934
01:22:16,500 --> 01:22:18,208
James Comey's handling
1935
01:22:18,291 --> 01:22:19,875
of the conclusion
of the investigation
1936
01:22:19,959 --> 01:22:22,208
of Secretary Clinton's emails,
started..."
1937
01:22:22,291 --> 01:22:23,625
When Trump
1938
01:22:23,709 --> 01:22:25,041
fired Comey, he gave
1939
01:22:25,125 --> 01:22:26,625
as his first and
ostensible reason,
1940
01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:28,750
a memo that Rosenstein
had written
1941
01:22:28,834 --> 01:22:30,875
that had detailed
1942
01:22:30,959 --> 01:22:33,208
what Rosenstein viewed
as the failings of Comey
1943
01:22:33,291 --> 01:22:34,792
in connection
with the Hillary investigation.
1944
01:22:34,875 --> 01:22:37,041
You remember, that was
that highly dramatic
1945
01:22:37,125 --> 01:22:39,333
press conference that was held
last summer
1946
01:22:39,417 --> 01:22:41,375
where, FBI director Comey
1947
01:22:41,458 --> 01:22:43,375
was quite critical
of Hillary Clinton.
1948
01:22:43,458 --> 01:22:45,667
There's much to question
about what Comey did,
1949
01:22:45,750 --> 01:22:48,208
but that seemed like
it was a memo written
1950
01:22:48,291 --> 01:22:49,834
quickly, and not
very impressively,
1951
01:22:49,917 --> 01:22:51,417
as an excuse to fire Comey.
1952
01:22:51,500 --> 01:22:54,291
There is no way
1953
01:22:54,375 --> 01:22:57,625
that Rod Rosenstein
could have thought
1954
01:22:57,709 --> 01:23:00,333
that Donald Trump
1955
01:23:00,417 --> 01:23:03,166
wanted to fire
the FBI director
1956
01:23:03,250 --> 01:23:05,417
because he had been unfair
1957
01:23:05,500 --> 01:23:06,875
to Hillary Clinton...
1958
01:23:06,959 --> 01:23:08,458
Morning, sir.
How you doing?
1959
01:23:08,542 --> 01:23:10,458
...Though I'm sure
it reflects
1960
01:23:10,542 --> 01:23:13,500
Rod's honest evaluation
of Jim's performance
1961
01:23:13,583 --> 01:23:15,375
in the Hillary Clinton
email matters.
1962
01:23:24,083 --> 01:23:26,458
Monday, you met with
the deputy attorney general,
1963
01:23:26,542 --> 01:23:28,041
Rod Rosenstein.
-Right.
1964
01:23:28,125 --> 01:23:30,000
Did you ask
for a recommendation?
1965
01:23:30,083 --> 01:23:31,583
He made
a recommendation,
1966
01:23:31,667 --> 01:23:33,083
but regardless
of recommendation,
1967
01:23:33,166 --> 01:23:36,250
I was going to fire Comey.
My decision.
1968
01:23:36,333 --> 01:23:37,917
- It was not--
- You had made the decision
1969
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:38,959
before they came in the room?
1970
01:23:39,041 --> 01:23:41,041
I-I was going to fire Comey.
1971
01:23:41,125 --> 01:23:43,875
And, in fact, when I decided
to just do it,
1972
01:23:43,959 --> 01:23:46,125
I said to myself--I said,
"You know,
1973
01:23:46,208 --> 01:23:49,041
this Russia thing
with Trump and Russia
1974
01:23:49,125 --> 01:23:50,083
is a made-up story."
1975
01:23:50,166 --> 01:23:52,041
This was an excuse
1976
01:23:52,125 --> 01:23:53,917
for having lost an election,
and--
1977
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,291
Okay, are you angry
with Mr. Comey
1978
01:23:56,375 --> 01:23:58,125
because of his
Russia investigation?
1979
01:23:58,208 --> 01:24:01,792
I just want somebody
that's competent.
1980
01:24:01,875 --> 01:24:03,417
Trump realized
1981
01:24:03,500 --> 01:24:04,875
that he could not count
1982
01:24:04,959 --> 01:24:06,208
on Jim Comey
1983
01:24:06,291 --> 01:24:07,917
to not investigate him
1984
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:09,709
and not investigate
his friend,
1985
01:24:09,792 --> 01:24:11,875
and that is why he fired
Jim Comey,
1986
01:24:11,959 --> 01:24:13,959
as he made very clear
1987
01:24:14,041 --> 01:24:16,500
the next day
to the Russian ambassador
1988
01:24:16,583 --> 01:24:17,542
and the foreign minister.
1989
01:24:21,333 --> 01:24:22,792
The thing
about that meeting
1990
01:24:22,875 --> 01:24:24,750
that is sort of
an interesting thing
1991
01:24:24,834 --> 01:24:27,458
of the Trump era is that
everyone remembers it
1992
01:24:27,542 --> 01:24:31,375
because the president
called Comey a nutjob.
1993
01:24:31,458 --> 01:24:33,375
With all the news
Trump makes,
1994
01:24:33,458 --> 01:24:35,500
we tend to follow
the stupid human trick
1995
01:24:35,583 --> 01:24:37,750
and not pay attention
to the more substantive thing,
1996
01:24:37,834 --> 01:24:39,792
the fact that he said
1997
01:24:39,875 --> 01:24:43,250
it relieved pressure on him.
1998
01:24:43,333 --> 01:24:45,792
Ultimately,
this is the story
1999
01:24:45,875 --> 01:24:47,500
about a president
2000
01:24:47,583 --> 01:24:50,375
not getting
the investigative outcomes
2001
01:24:50,458 --> 01:24:52,000
that he wanted,
2002
01:24:52,083 --> 01:24:54,792
and trying to make
law enforcement
2003
01:24:54,875 --> 01:24:58,333
malleable
to his political desires,
2004
01:24:58,417 --> 01:25:02,000
and the--the extreme danger
of that
2005
01:25:02,083 --> 01:25:04,542
should be all
we've been talking about
2006
01:25:04,625 --> 01:25:06,500
for the last year
and a half,
2007
01:25:06,583 --> 01:25:07,875
and it hasn't been,
2008
01:25:07,959 --> 01:25:10,041
and one of the reasons is that
2009
01:25:10,125 --> 01:25:12,959
people have
such mixed feelings about Jim.
2010
01:25:13,041 --> 01:25:14,458
FBI director
2011
01:25:14,542 --> 01:25:15,458
James Comey
2012
01:25:15,542 --> 01:25:16,542
has just been fired
2013
01:25:16,625 --> 01:25:17,625
by Donald Trump.
2014
01:25:19,542 --> 01:25:21,792
Wow.
Wow...
2015
01:25:21,875 --> 01:25:25,208
Huge, huge Donald Trump fans
here tonight.
2016
01:25:25,291 --> 01:25:28,000
The complicated feelings
2017
01:25:28,083 --> 01:25:30,125
that people have
about Comey
2018
01:25:30,208 --> 01:25:32,000
in relation to Hillary Clinton
2019
01:25:32,083 --> 01:25:35,041
really did muddy that story.
2020
01:25:35,125 --> 01:25:37,834
Frankly, I think
it's kind of sad.
2021
01:25:37,917 --> 01:25:40,250
Here's what Democrats said
not long ago about Comey.
2022
01:25:40,333 --> 01:25:42,166
Harry Reid said Comey
should resign
2023
01:25:42,250 --> 01:25:44,417
and be investigated
by the Senate.
2024
01:25:44,500 --> 01:25:47,083
Senator Chuck Schumer said,
"I don't have confidence
2025
01:25:47,166 --> 01:25:48,834
in him any longer."
And I've heard
2026
01:25:48,917 --> 01:25:51,417
from countless, members
of the FBI
2027
01:25:51,500 --> 01:25:53,792
that are grateful and thankful
for the president's decision.
2028
01:25:53,875 --> 01:25:55,625
You personally
2029
01:25:55,709 --> 01:26:00,417
have talked to countless FBI
employees since this happened?
2030
01:26:00,500 --> 01:26:03,041
Correct.
-I mean, really?
2031
01:26:03,125 --> 01:26:05,041
Like, I mean, really?
Are we be--so are we talking--
2032
01:26:05,125 --> 01:26:06,583
Between, like,
email, text messages,
2033
01:26:06,667 --> 01:26:08,250
absolutely.
-50?
2034
01:26:08,333 --> 01:26:09,792
Yes.
-I don't believe
2035
01:26:09,875 --> 01:26:11,250
she heard from anybody
2036
01:26:11,333 --> 01:26:13,250
in the building,
2037
01:26:13,333 --> 01:26:15,083
so I sought,
2038
01:26:15,166 --> 01:26:16,917
under Freedom
of Information Act,
2039
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,709
all statements to staff
2040
01:26:19,792 --> 01:26:21,458
in response to the firing
2041
01:26:21,542 --> 01:26:23,750
in all the field offices,
2042
01:26:23,834 --> 01:26:26,208
in all the divisions.
2043
01:26:26,291 --> 01:26:28,333
If Sarah Huckabee Sanders
was right,
2044
01:26:28,417 --> 01:26:30,500
there would be a kind of
2045
01:26:30,583 --> 01:26:33,458
"ding-dong,
the witch is dead."
2046
01:26:33,542 --> 01:26:36,208
There was not
a single expression
2047
01:26:36,291 --> 01:26:38,834
anywhere
in any of those pages
2048
01:26:38,917 --> 01:26:40,291
that remotely supports
2049
01:26:40,375 --> 01:26:42,625
what Sarah Huckabee Sanders
said.
2050
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:44,041
People in that building
2051
01:26:44,125 --> 01:26:46,500
knew instinctively
2052
01:26:46,583 --> 01:26:48,792
that the attacks on him
2053
01:26:48,875 --> 01:26:51,709
were a proxy
for an attack on them.
2054
01:26:55,250 --> 01:26:57,959
At that point,
the face-to-face meetings
2055
01:26:58,041 --> 01:27:00,333
between Trump and Comey
2056
01:27:00,417 --> 01:27:03,208
are not a matter
of public record,
2057
01:27:03,291 --> 01:27:05,458
but two days
after Comey is fired,
2058
01:27:05,542 --> 01:27:07,500
there's a headline
in The New York Times.
2059
01:27:07,583 --> 01:27:08,875
"In A Private Dinner,
2060
01:27:08,959 --> 01:27:11,041
Trump Demanded Loyalty.
2061
01:27:11,125 --> 01:27:12,709
Comey Demurred."
2062
01:27:15,166 --> 01:27:17,375
In the aftermath
of Comey being fired,
2063
01:27:17,458 --> 01:27:19,375
it was clear
that some stuff had gone on
2064
01:27:19,458 --> 01:27:21,000
that we didn't know about
between Comey
2065
01:27:21,083 --> 01:27:23,000
and the president,
and the first story
2066
01:27:23,083 --> 01:27:25,333
that I was able to break
about it
2067
01:27:25,417 --> 01:27:28,291
was the loyalty dinner.
2068
01:27:28,375 --> 01:27:30,125
Trump was obviously
very upset,
2069
01:27:30,208 --> 01:27:32,375
and it's in the aftermath
of that story
2070
01:27:32,458 --> 01:27:34,542
that the president tweets
2071
01:27:34,625 --> 01:27:38,083
"Comey better hope
there are not tapes."
2072
01:27:38,166 --> 01:27:39,792
President tweeted
on Friday
2073
01:27:39,875 --> 01:27:41,333
after I got fired.
2074
01:27:41,417 --> 01:27:43,709
I woke up
in the middle of the night.
2075
01:27:43,792 --> 01:27:45,125
Holy cow.
There might be tapes,
2076
01:27:45,208 --> 01:27:46,750
and if there are tapes,
2077
01:27:46,834 --> 01:27:48,834
it's not just my word
against his
2078
01:27:48,917 --> 01:27:52,000
on the direction to get rid
of the Flynn investigation,
2079
01:27:52,083 --> 01:27:53,625
and so I asked a friend of mine
2080
01:27:53,709 --> 01:27:56,792
to share the content
of the memo with a reporter,
2081
01:27:56,875 --> 01:27:59,041
because I thought
that might prompt
2082
01:27:59,125 --> 01:28:01,000
the appointment
of a special counsel.
2083
01:28:01,083 --> 01:28:02,291
When you received
2084
01:28:02,375 --> 01:28:04,125
the information
about this memo,
2085
01:28:04,208 --> 01:28:06,417
did you realize
what it could lead to?
2086
01:28:06,500 --> 01:28:08,125
Yeah, I mean,
it was pretty clear--
2087
01:28:08,208 --> 01:28:10,792
the significance of it.
Yeah.
2088
01:28:13,125 --> 01:28:14,917
We reported
about the Oval Office meeting,
2089
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:16,000
and the next day,
2090
01:28:16,083 --> 01:28:17,709
Rod Rosenstein
2091
01:28:17,792 --> 01:28:20,750
appoints Mueller
to be the special counsel.
2092
01:28:20,834 --> 01:28:22,959
The White House
blindsided tonight
2093
01:28:23,041 --> 01:28:24,166
as the Department of Justice
2094
01:28:24,250 --> 01:28:26,375
will appoint
a special counsel...
2095
01:28:26,458 --> 01:28:28,792
Special Counsel
in the Russia investigation.
2096
01:28:28,875 --> 01:28:30,875
That
special counsel will be
2097
01:28:30,959 --> 01:28:33,667
former FBI director
Robert Mueller.
2098
01:28:33,750 --> 01:28:36,375
The former
FBI director Robert Mueller.
2099
01:28:38,917 --> 01:28:41,875
So it--it isn't
like the firing of Comey
2100
01:28:41,959 --> 01:28:43,542
ended the investigation into--
2101
01:28:43,625 --> 01:28:44,792
No.
If anything,
2102
01:28:44,875 --> 01:28:46,417
you could argue that it
2103
01:28:46,500 --> 01:28:48,417
doubled or tripled the shadow
2104
01:28:48,500 --> 01:28:51,250
over the White House.
2105
01:28:53,917 --> 01:28:56,250
Sir, do you
believe that Robert Mueller,
2106
01:28:56,333 --> 01:28:58,834
our new special investigator
on Russia,
2107
01:28:58,917 --> 01:29:01,166
will be thorough and complete
without political intervention,
2108
01:29:01,250 --> 01:29:02,458
and would you be confident
2109
01:29:02,542 --> 01:29:04,083
on his findings
and recommendations?
2110
01:29:04,166 --> 01:29:05,458
Yes.
Bob Mueller is one
2111
01:29:05,542 --> 01:29:07,792
of the finest people
and public servants
2112
01:29:07,875 --> 01:29:09,208
this country has ever produced.
2113
01:29:09,291 --> 01:29:11,041
He will do it well.
2114
01:29:11,125 --> 01:29:13,291
He is a dogged,
tough person,
2115
01:29:13,375 --> 01:29:15,250
and you can have
high confidence
2116
01:29:15,333 --> 01:29:17,542
that when it's done,
he's turned over all the rocks.
2117
01:29:17,625 --> 01:29:19,792
Director Comey,
thank you once again
2118
01:29:19,875 --> 01:29:21,875
on behalf of the committee.
This hearing's adjourned.
2119
01:29:21,959 --> 01:29:24,250
When the president
fires Jim Comey,
2120
01:29:24,333 --> 01:29:27,625
he thinks if he decapitates
the FBI,
2121
01:29:27,709 --> 01:29:30,125
the FBI will cease
to investigate him.
2122
01:29:30,208 --> 01:29:32,041
He is so wrong.
2123
01:29:34,583 --> 01:29:37,834
Bob Mueller can take teams
of FBI agents
2124
01:29:37,917 --> 01:29:41,417
and point them
in a number of directions.
2125
01:29:41,500 --> 01:29:44,375
His mandate is not simply
to look at all things Russia.
2126
01:29:44,458 --> 01:29:48,083
It is to look
at all things criminal.
2127
01:29:48,166 --> 01:29:49,250
Like Paul Manafort
2128
01:29:49,333 --> 01:29:50,709
and Rick Gates' indictment
2129
01:29:50,792 --> 01:29:53,792
for money laundering
and past work
2130
01:29:53,875 --> 01:29:56,375
for Russian-backed oligarchs
in Ukraine.
2131
01:29:56,458 --> 01:29:58,750
Paul Manafort
is a nice man.
2132
01:29:58,834 --> 01:30:01,083
You look at what's going on
with him--
2133
01:30:01,166 --> 01:30:02,709
it--it's just a sad thing.
2134
01:30:02,792 --> 01:30:03,959
We've seen from Mueller
2135
01:30:04,041 --> 01:30:05,125
that his interests are broad,
2136
01:30:05,208 --> 01:30:07,291
that he is looking
2137
01:30:07,375 --> 01:30:09,083
at many different things,
including
2138
01:30:09,166 --> 01:30:11,709
charging Russians
who were part
2139
01:30:11,792 --> 01:30:13,583
of this influence campaign,
to charging
2140
01:30:13,667 --> 01:30:15,500
folks around the president
2141
01:30:15,583 --> 01:30:17,834
with making false statements
to investigators.
2142
01:30:17,917 --> 01:30:19,542
Michael Flynn
ended up pleading guilty.
2143
01:30:19,625 --> 01:30:21,917
This is where we saw
George Papadopoulos
2144
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:23,125
plead guilty.
2145
01:30:23,208 --> 01:30:24,125
There has been
2146
01:30:24,208 --> 01:30:25,875
absolutely no collusion.
2147
01:30:25,959 --> 01:30:28,166
It's been stated
that they have no collusion.
2148
01:30:28,250 --> 01:30:30,458
At every stage
of his investigation,
2149
01:30:30,542 --> 01:30:32,583
Bob Mueller has surprised us
2150
01:30:32,667 --> 01:30:35,667
by knowing more
and knowing it earlier
2151
01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:37,583
than we possibly imagined.
2152
01:30:37,667 --> 01:30:39,500
They have a witch hunt
2153
01:30:39,583 --> 01:30:41,458
against the President
of the United States.
2154
01:30:41,542 --> 01:30:43,166
What's going on
is a disgrace.
2155
01:30:43,250 --> 01:30:44,917
It's an absolute disgrace.
2156
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:48,750
Investigations
beget investigations,
2157
01:30:48,834 --> 01:30:50,875
so what starts
as a counterintelligence case
2158
01:30:50,959 --> 01:30:53,375
becomes an obstruction
of justice case
2159
01:30:53,458 --> 01:30:55,041
when Comey is fired,
2160
01:30:55,125 --> 01:30:56,208
and it has now
2161
01:30:56,291 --> 01:30:57,959
almost inevitably,
2162
01:30:58,041 --> 01:30:59,583
because you're investigating
Donald Trump,
2163
01:30:59,667 --> 01:31:01,625
become an investigation
2164
01:31:01,709 --> 01:31:05,041
that is fraught
with evidence trails
2165
01:31:05,125 --> 01:31:10,000
and the question
of hush money, and...
2166
01:31:10,083 --> 01:31:11,583
...it could go on
2167
01:31:11,667 --> 01:31:14,792
until long after Trump
has left office.
2168
01:31:14,875 --> 01:31:16,333
Why don't you
just fire Mueller?
2169
01:31:16,417 --> 01:31:17,750
Why don't I just fire Mueller?
2170
01:31:17,834 --> 01:31:18,959
Yeah, just fire
the guy.
2171
01:31:19,041 --> 01:31:20,166
And many people have said,
2172
01:31:20,250 --> 01:31:21,667
"You should fire him."
2173
01:31:21,750 --> 01:31:23,417
So we'll see what happens.
2174
01:31:23,500 --> 01:31:25,500
I think
it's, disgraceful,
2175
01:31:25,583 --> 01:31:27,917
and so does a lot
of other people.
2176
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:29,542
This is a pure and simple
2177
01:31:29,625 --> 01:31:31,458
witch hunt.
Thank you very much.
2178
01:31:31,542 --> 01:31:32,917
Thank you.
Thank you.
2179
01:31:35,291 --> 01:31:37,583
I saw this
on Twitter just yesterday.
2180
01:31:37,667 --> 01:31:39,458
Someone had the revelation:
"I--I guess
2181
01:31:39,542 --> 01:31:41,792
much of what goes on
in this country
2182
01:31:41,875 --> 01:31:43,750
at the highest levels
is done on the honor system."
2183
01:31:43,834 --> 01:31:46,333
Yeah, and that's true.
2184
01:31:46,417 --> 01:31:48,125
So when he fired Jim Comey,
2185
01:31:48,208 --> 01:31:49,750
I learned a lesson:
2186
01:31:49,834 --> 01:31:51,959
that this president,
if brought to anger,
2187
01:31:52,041 --> 01:31:53,917
is capable
of firing anyone.
2188
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:56,041
I think he's capable
of pardoning anyone.
2189
01:31:56,125 --> 01:31:57,542
I think he's capable
2190
01:31:57,625 --> 01:31:59,208
of taking outrageous steps
2191
01:31:59,291 --> 01:32:01,291
if he thinks
that he or his family
2192
01:32:01,375 --> 01:32:03,125
are in the crosshairs.
2193
01:32:03,208 --> 01:32:04,667
Today, the president demanded
2194
01:32:04,750 --> 01:32:07,083
his attorney general,
Jeff Sessions, resign.
2195
01:32:07,166 --> 01:32:09,709
We're going to have
a new acting attorney general
2196
01:32:09,792 --> 01:32:12,709
who has been somewhat critical
of the Mueller investigation.
2197
01:32:12,792 --> 01:32:14,125
The president's move
2198
01:32:14,208 --> 01:32:15,417
shifts the focus immediately
2199
01:32:15,500 --> 01:32:16,458
to the Mueller investigation.
2200
01:32:16,542 --> 01:32:18,125
Is it in danger?
2201
01:32:18,208 --> 01:32:19,709
It's kind of
shame--shame on us
2202
01:32:19,792 --> 01:32:21,542
for being so surprised by it,
2203
01:32:21,625 --> 01:32:24,583
and as we tape this,
lots of things have happened
2204
01:32:24,667 --> 01:32:26,250
in, you know,
very recent times,
2205
01:32:26,333 --> 01:32:27,917
so shame on us again
2206
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:29,250
if we don't realize,
2207
01:32:29,333 --> 01:32:30,792
how close we are
2208
01:32:30,875 --> 01:32:32,333
to yet another
constitutional crisis,
2209
01:32:32,417 --> 01:32:35,959
because, you know any--
any moment,
2210
01:32:36,041 --> 01:32:38,417
if Donald Trump had
his druthers,
2211
01:32:38,500 --> 01:32:42,875
he would do a lot of things
that are inimical to democracy.
2212
01:32:42,959 --> 01:32:46,083
Raise your right hand
and please repeat after me.
2213
01:32:46,166 --> 01:32:48,166
"I, Richard Nixon,
2214
01:32:48,250 --> 01:32:49,750
do solemnly swear..."
2215
01:32:49,834 --> 01:32:52,750
I, Richard Nixon,
do solemnly swear...
2216
01:32:52,834 --> 01:32:55,291
Our whole history
is about
2217
01:32:55,375 --> 01:32:57,667
creating a system
of accountability
2218
01:32:57,750 --> 01:33:00,583
to prevent the rise
2219
01:33:00,667 --> 01:33:03,750
of an autocracy
or a dictatorship.
2220
01:33:03,834 --> 01:33:07,792
If you don't obey the laws
that are put in place
2221
01:33:07,875 --> 01:33:10,333
to keep all of us
on the up-and-up,
2222
01:33:10,417 --> 01:33:12,125
then where are you?
2223
01:33:12,208 --> 01:33:13,667
I, Ronald Reagan,
2224
01:33:13,750 --> 01:33:15,500
do solemnly swear...
2225
01:33:15,583 --> 01:33:17,417
"That I will
faithfully execute
2226
01:33:17,500 --> 01:33:20,125
the office of President
of the United States..."
2227
01:33:20,208 --> 01:33:21,875
That I will faithfully execute
the office
2228
01:33:21,959 --> 01:33:23,959
of President
of the United States...
2229
01:33:24,041 --> 01:33:27,208
If the FBI is not doing it,
who's gonna do it?
2230
01:33:27,291 --> 01:33:28,458
We're not perfect,
2231
01:33:28,542 --> 01:33:32,375
but the institution is solid.
2232
01:33:32,458 --> 01:33:35,583
I-I fear what it would be like
if we didn't have
2233
01:33:35,667 --> 01:33:36,917
the FBI.
2234
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:39,709
It's not--it's not the enemy.
2235
01:33:39,792 --> 01:33:42,500
I will, to the best
of my ability...
2236
01:33:42,583 --> 01:33:45,125
"Preserve, protect, and defend
2237
01:33:45,208 --> 01:33:46,792
the Constitution
of the United States."
2238
01:33:46,875 --> 01:33:48,208
The question
of whether we
2239
01:33:48,291 --> 01:33:49,792
are still capable
2240
01:33:49,875 --> 01:33:52,667
of holding
the president, accountable
2241
01:33:52,750 --> 01:33:55,709
is an enduring one,
2242
01:33:55,792 --> 01:33:57,709
and I hope
that the American people
2243
01:33:57,792 --> 01:34:00,083
want those
truth-finding mechanisms
2244
01:34:00,166 --> 01:34:02,125
to be able
to do their job
2245
01:34:02,208 --> 01:34:04,166
unimpeded.
2246
01:34:04,250 --> 01:34:06,250
Preserve,
protect, and defend
2247
01:34:06,333 --> 01:34:09,250
the Constitution
of the United States.
2248
01:34:09,333 --> 01:34:11,542
Congratulations, Mr. President.
2249
01:34:11,625 --> 01:34:13,125
No free republic
2250
01:34:13,208 --> 01:34:15,083
in the history of civilization
2251
01:34:15,166 --> 01:34:17,083
has lasted longer
than 300 years,
2252
01:34:17,166 --> 01:34:19,333
and that was
the Roman Empire.
2253
01:34:19,417 --> 01:34:23,542
We're on year 242.
2254
01:34:23,625 --> 01:34:25,542
If we're gonna
make it
2255
01:34:25,625 --> 01:34:27,083
to the three-century mark,
2256
01:34:27,166 --> 01:34:28,709
we have to get through this
2257
01:34:28,792 --> 01:34:30,250
in a way in which
2258
01:34:30,333 --> 01:34:31,792
our institutions
2259
01:34:31,875 --> 01:34:33,917
and the rule of law
are strengthened,
2260
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:36,250
and at the moment,
they are under attack
2261
01:34:36,333 --> 01:34:38,500
by the President
of the United States.
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