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I was sickened by what I saw.
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A lot of people saw
that pee tape.
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It was circulating
in the streets.
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I came across the one
with me, him,
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and the 14-year-old.
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My niece has the same hairstyle
she had
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when she turned 14.
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That was her, for sure.
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And that was him, definitely.
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Various sexual acts,
including urination, oral sex.
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For him to do that to heR...
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Man.
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I took it and he never noticed
it was gone.
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I just didn't know that
there was a point in time...
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Where they were talk...
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Where they were talking...
About killing me.
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I should have never introduced
her to him.
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I should have never
introduced my family to him.
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How dare you.
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How dare you.
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There was a bedroom in the studio.
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Girls everywhere.
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15 to 17 to 18.
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We were young.
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We were naive.
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We were easily influenced.
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It wasn't just me
that was young that he liked.
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It wasn't a mistake with Aaliyah.
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He's sleeping with this young girl.
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It's like, cattle that has four acres
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and he's the only cattle to graze; It's easy pickins'.
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This is somebody who's written
this inspirational,
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motivational song.
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It was just massive.
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Can he really be the monster?
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There's no moral clock there,
there's no Gage.
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I introduced my niece to Robert
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and I saw her in the studio by herself.
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I would walk in like,
"what you doing here?"
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Him and I both were actually
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having sex with heR.
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I was unaware, at that time,
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of how young she was.
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She was actually 14.
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When I figured out that
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I had had sex with a 14-year-old,
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um, it made me feel betrayed,
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because he lied to me
and told me she was 16,
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which would have been close
to my age.
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And it also made me question his motives.
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I mean, the fact that he lied about her age to me, told me
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that he obviously knew
that wasn't okay
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for her to be youngeR.
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It-it made me feel, like,
sick to my stomach.
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It made me feel disgusted.
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I mean, my daughter is older
than she is now.
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We didn't have sex with her anymore
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after I found out that she was
that much youngeR.
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We had sex in his home twice.
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I didn't see his wife
at the house,
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but there was a-a situation, um,
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between me, him
and the younger woman
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where he did tell me that his wife was upstairs
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when we were in the--
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I call it the Colorado room, the one with all the wood,
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where the infamous sex tape was filmed--
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that room, when we were down there,
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one time, he did tell me
that she was upstairs.
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The girls that were seeing the other side of him,
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did you notice them?
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Do you know how--
were they young at that time?
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No. He never brought
any of them around me.
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He was never abusive to anybody
in front of me.
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He was never a person that,
you know, like,
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"hey, do y'all hear that
in the room next door?
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Is that fighting or something?"
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I mean, we have to be realistic
about the story line, too.
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Seeing some like that,
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you-- we really are not gonna
be together,
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because you're showing me
up front who your monster is,
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so I think that he strategically
did what he did with me.
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He kept it away from me
for a reason.
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It's like sometimes I often wish
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I would have just known
up front; I really do.
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I wish that I would have been
able to see the fullness
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of the monster
I was dealing with
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because it probably
would have saved me
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years and years of pain.
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It would have saved me
years of abuse.
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It would have saved me years of
being alienated from my family
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if I just would have known
up front
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what the hell I'm dealing with.
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When we first started having sex,
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Rob was behind the camera,
and he pretty much
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would talk US through
the motions.
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He would never ask me if, um,
it was okay to be filmed,
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but he never hid the camera
or anything like that.
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He would just pull-pull out
his tripod and his camera.
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And he had the whole thing, the lighting.
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He'd set it up and he-he liked to-to have control
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of the situation because he would tell you
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what to do anyways when you were having sex.
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When he would put the camera up,
he'd just say,
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"make sure you're sitting
properly for the camera,
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you know, for whatever angle."
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And when he'd be done filming,
he'd just put it in his bag.
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It was 2000, around the same time
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when I did the "I wish" video with him.
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I was in the studio, I was in the room,
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and he left the bag in the room with me.
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And I just happened
to open the bag up,
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and I started popping the tapes
in to see what was on them.
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It was just a whole bunch of different tapes with him
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having sex with different young girls, I guess, and women.
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But I came across the one
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with me, him
and the 14-year-old.
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I watched it and,
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as I fast-forwarded some,
I'd see other scenes
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with just him and her,
without me.
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Her face,
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her chest, it's just,
wherever it was going,
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he just was-- as if she was
a toilet, he was just peeing.
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You know, just letting it
go whereveR.
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I thought it was gross and-and
weird and, belittling.
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In regards to the tapes,
Robert taping himself,
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he's always did that.
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Robert recorded everything.
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I mean, R. Kelly tapes his sexual encounters.
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And he watched his own movies.
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Abusers often want trophies
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from their criminal acts,
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so people will take things
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and be able to place memories
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and place maybe
even sexual feelings
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on trophies that they've taken.
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And it's power play. You get
to actively replay the act.
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And when that's not enough,
then you make another tape.
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When I saw it, you know, it upset me,
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and I didn't want him
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to have possession of the tape
anymore, 'cause I was on it,
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and I took it and kept it on me,
and when I got a chance
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to go back to my hotel room,
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I left it at my hotel room, and
he never noticed it was gone.
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I actually didn't hold onto the tape that long at all
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because I was afraid that he'd find out that I had it.
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I had befriended a few
of his other artists,
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and I actually asked one of them
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if they could hold
the tape for me.
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I remember the first time
we were in Detroit
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and he came to me and he told me
about the videotapes.
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He'd say, "man,
you got to help me, man.
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"We got to pray, man,
'cause these videos, man,
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I can't stop taping myself, man,
and..." And so we prayed.
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I was privy, and shown,
um, videos
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while I was still employed
and, you know, around, yes.
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Um, I never saw
the-the bag's videos,
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because I think
I would've been like,
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"man, what the hell
are you doing?"
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You know?
"What-what are you doing?"
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But yes, I-I did see several,
several videos.
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You know, I didn't know
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what was ahead, with those
tapes, but Robert did.
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And he used to come to me
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and he used to talk to me about that.
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He'd say, "man, this is gonna
get me in trouble, man.
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"I can't seem to stop.
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This is gonna destroy me."
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The legal affairs reporter
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for the Chicago sun-times.
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Our rock critic, Jim derogatis,
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got a fax laying out that there was a relationship going on
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with R. Kelly and an underage girl.
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Jim's the one who really heard about
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the dynamic that was going on
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in which people in R. Kelly's
own circle were saying
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that there was an issue there
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where he was just hanging out
with young girls.
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And Jim had gotten word that some of these young women
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had actually filed suit against him.
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You know, he approached me as the legal affairs reporter,
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you know, "can we check this out?"
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And, you know, I went and started
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pulling lawsuits and,
sure enough, there were some.
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And they generally settled out of court.
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But the allegations were pretty explosive.
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We started uncovering a series
of lawsuits that had been filed
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and settlements that had been
reached with-with young women
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that claim
that-that they had sex
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with R. Kelly
when they were underage.
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Our first story ran
December 21, 2000.
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And it said that R. Kelly had been sued by all these girls.
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The suits, all added together,
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seemed to show a pattern of behavior
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of him going after very younggirls for sexual relationships.
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Immediately after our story ran,
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we started getting calls.
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Other girls who said
this has happened to them,
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from girls who said
it happened to their friends.
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And we-we did
follow-up interviews
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with as many of them
as we could.
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A lot of them
were very reluctant and shy.
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And a lot of times, they wouldn't want to have
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their names used or even have their full stories appeaR.
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These confidential settlements,
you know,
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if the girls go public,
they-they lose the settlement.
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You have to pay it back.
So there's
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a limit to how much more
we're gonna get
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from-from people
that had already been involved
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in-in those sort of suits.
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These are five,
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six-figure settlements.
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And so, there we see
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the beginning
of an ecosystem, right?
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Like, there's a--
there's a system
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of protecting R. Kelly
from accountability.
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They said they were minors.
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You settled out of court.
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Yeah.
-In this country,
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many people will assume
that means you were guilty.
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Why'd you settle?
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I really can't go into detail
about that particular thing,
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because,
when I filed the lawsuit,
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um, of course, I signed,
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a piece of paper
saying I couldn't discuss
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those particular people
in the situation.
-So there's a confidentiality
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agreement after the fact.
-Exactly. Exactly.
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The idea that R. Kelly was using
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nondisclosure agreements to keep these young girls
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and their families quiet,
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that means that he is cognizant
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of the kind of things
that he's doing
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and he's trying to protect
himself on the front end.
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And I think that this is
the thing that makes him, to me,
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more the-- more of a predatoR.
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You can get people to sign ndas.
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We can make people go away with a check.
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We don't have to do this
in court,
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in front of the cameras
and in front of,
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you know, the paparazzi
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and the tabloids.
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We can make these things go away.
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His camp was very unhappy
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and pushed back hard
and said it was all false.
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But they couldn't point
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to any part of the story that was actually false,
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'cause it was all taken from court documents.
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At this point, there were tapes floating around.
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I-I didn't want a sex tape of me
floating around
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the Internet or on TV
or anything, so...
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The only thing I could think of
doing at that point would be to,
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um, to see if Rob could figure
out a way to get the tape back.
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I actually ended up contacting Rob
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and told him
that I had took the tape.
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He flew me back up to Chicago.
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I told him that they probably
wouldn't just
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give it back to me, that they
probably need something,
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or whatever, to get it back.
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And so he arranged for them
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to be paid to get him back his tape.
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He had them take lie detector
tests, well, one of the guys,
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and me, and, I passed,
and the guy did not
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because he was lying, he said
that he didn't make any copies,
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and he actually did.
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So, um, he ended up giving,
you know, like, a little payment
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for that copy and then he said,
"when you bring the rest back,
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you'll get, you know,
the rest of the money."
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Rob said $250,000 was what it was gonna be.
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He actually gave the money to his accountant.
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You know, he ended up getting
the tape, for Rob
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on the last, visit
that I went up there.
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I just didn't know that
there was a point in time...
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...where...
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...where they were talking...
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...where they were talking...
About killing me.
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So we started doing the stories,
and we'd heard that there was
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videotapes out there of R. Kelly
with the underage girls,
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and we'd let it be known that
we'd be happy to, you know,
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get those tapes, if they could
assist in our reporting.
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One day, an anonymous video
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was-was dropped off in Jim's mailbox.
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So this appeared to be R. Kelly
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engaging in sex
with an underage girl.
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Tongues are really wagging,
ears are really burning,
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because they're like, "did you
hear about this sex tape?"
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So that means everything else
that we've been hearing,
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we knew it was true.
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That set everything off.
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The newsroom was in an uproaR.
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The editors had to make
a decision whether or not
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this was so important that
we could sit and view a tape
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and to basically pursue a story
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that literally was based in
pornography, child pornography.
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So it was very easy to look at that videotape
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and believe that
that was R. Kelly on the tape
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and that the girl was underage.
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She looked like a child.
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I got to tell you,
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as a mother and as a grandmother
and as a black woman,
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I was sickened by what I saw.
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It contained very graphic,
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um... hardcore porn.
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If I could just be blunt.
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Various sexual acts,
including urination,
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oral sex,
everything that you can name.
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There'd just be denial after denial
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from people in the community that knew R. Kelly.
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They'd just say, "it's all
wrong, it's all wrong.
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These are people out to get R. Kelly."
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But, you know, you can't
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be dissuaded, you can't be,
intimidated out of these things.
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We didn't let up
our reporting at all.
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We were made aware that there was a 14-year-old girl.
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His bass player's daughter
that he was,
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having an-an,
a sexual relationship with
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at that time we were
doing the stories.
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Chicago sun-times contacted me
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and wanted me to come down
to their offices to view tapes
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that possibly had,
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um, girls on it
that I may have known.
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On the tape,
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my niece has
the same hairstyle she had
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when she turned 14.
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That was her, for sure.
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And that was him, definitely.
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My name is raven,
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and I was friends with the girl in the tape
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since 1997, junior high on.
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We bonded over basketball.
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She and I were the, you know, star basketball players
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of our junior high team.
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We spent a lot of time together,
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both on and off the court.
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Her personality was vibrant.
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Always happy,
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always having a great time,
the life of the party.
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Just a really fun,
wonderful person to be around.
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Oak park is a small town,
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so you get to know people quite well.
339
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As a coach, I saw her play
from junior high
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up until she got on my team
as a sophomore in high school.
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Her parents were very responsible,
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like any family in oak park river forest.
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You know,
two parents who worked,
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sent their kid to
the same school they went to.
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Very supportive
of their kids' activities
346
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by attending those events.
347
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R. Kelly would come to some basketball games.
348
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I would see him in the stands.
349
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It almost seemed
like a doting father
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when R. Kelly would see heR.
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It was just strange for me,
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to see a-a grown man hanging out
at a high school
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with high school girls.
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Like, you hear things,
355
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but to see it visually,
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and for her to be so young...
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It me up.
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It really did-- like,
it's over with,
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but it still haunts me.
360
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You know?
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And I hate this ,
that it happened.
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It shouldn't have happened.
363
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I should have never
introduced her to him.
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I should have never introduced
my family to him.
365
00:20:00,366 --> 00:20:03,968
Like, how dare you.
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How dare you.
367
00:20:16,950 --> 00:20:19,217
What the?
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"What are you doing, Robert?"
Like, I never thought
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he would do this
to my family.
370
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:27,258
I don't know how the sun-times
got the tape.
371
00:20:27,293 --> 00:20:29,260
Who dropped it off, who sent it,
372
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who threw it-- I-I have no idea.
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There was a money transaction from Robert to my niece
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in the beginning of this videotape.
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After the money transaction,
then there was a transaction...
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...if you understand
what I'm saying.
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A sexual transaction.
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And I didn't need
to see any more,
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'cause I knew it was heR.
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We were able to confirm
381
00:21:05,465 --> 00:21:08,799
it was indeed her
at a time when she was 14.
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00:21:08,835 --> 00:21:13,471
R. Kelly and an underage girl having sex.
383
00:21:13,506 --> 00:21:15,306
Here, we have evidence of a felony.
384
00:21:15,341 --> 00:21:17,842
Now, you don't want to become
an arm of the prosecution.
385
00:21:17,877 --> 00:21:19,744
Journalists are supposed to be
separate and apart from that.
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But if you find a body
in the lobby of the sun-times,
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you call the police.
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And we ultimately did.
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Here was a child who was being
used by a grown man
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for sexual gratification,
and obviously, no one cared.
391
00:21:35,161 --> 00:21:38,596
People knew what was going on
at his, residence.
392
00:21:38,631 --> 00:21:41,465
They probably saw this girl
in and out,
393
00:21:41,501 --> 00:21:43,968
but proving that
was a different thing.
394
00:21:44,003 --> 00:21:45,803
It was obvious she was young.
395
00:21:45,838 --> 00:21:48,272
It was on tape. Everybody saw it.
396
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It shows you how rich
397
00:21:50,043 --> 00:21:52,143
and powerful men can get away
with a lot of things.
398
00:21:52,178 --> 00:21:54,545
But it also shows
the power imbalance
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between the abuser
and the victim, as well.
400
00:22:00,186 --> 00:22:01,986
Ever since this-this tape thing,
401
00:22:02,021 --> 00:22:03,854
this rumor has come out,
you know, there's been
402
00:22:03,890 --> 00:22:05,289
a whole lot of people, you know,
403
00:22:05,391 --> 00:22:07,191
it's been
a R. Kelly day, man.
404
00:22:07,226 --> 00:22:09,827
It's been people trying to,
you know, say this or say that,
405
00:22:09,862 --> 00:22:11,862
coming out of the woodwork
for me, you know,
406
00:22:11,898 --> 00:22:13,030
just trying to get paid.
407
00:22:13,066 --> 00:22:14,632
I'm not a monster that people,
408
00:22:14,734 --> 00:22:16,967
that people
are saying I am, and,
409
00:22:17,070 --> 00:22:20,471
if people out there have a tape
of me, and they're saying
410
00:22:20,573 --> 00:22:22,973
it's with me and a young girl,
a minor,
411
00:22:23,076 --> 00:22:25,576
then they're sadly mistaken
or they're lying.
412
00:22:27,246 --> 00:22:29,013
In his mind, I think he believes
413
00:22:29,048 --> 00:22:31,449
some of his own sick lies.
In his mind, he didn't do it.
414
00:22:31,551 --> 00:22:33,884
He has no level
of personal accountability
415
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,886
as it relates
to his poor behavioR.
416
00:22:35,922 --> 00:22:37,988
His attempt to say it wasn't him
is ridiculous.
417
00:22:38,091 --> 00:22:40,324
At one point, he's having sex
with this woman,
418
00:22:40,426 --> 00:22:44,295
and somebody is yelling
from another room, you know,
419
00:22:44,397 --> 00:22:47,865
"R. Kells, pick up the phone.
It's phone for you..."
420
00:22:47,900 --> 00:22:49,300
And, like, yelling his name.
421
00:22:49,402 --> 00:22:51,969
Eventually,
422
00:22:52,071 --> 00:22:54,472
bootleg copies of the tape
start showing up
423
00:22:54,607 --> 00:22:55,840
around the country.
424
00:22:55,942 --> 00:22:57,274
People are watching it in clubs.
425
00:22:57,310 --> 00:22:59,043
This tape was duplicated
426
00:22:59,078 --> 00:23:01,045
and was for sale
all over the south side.
427
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,247
So you could drive up to a,
428
00:23:03,282 --> 00:23:06,283
one of these, outdoor flea markets and get a tape
429
00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:08,018
of R. Kelly--
430
00:23:08,121 --> 00:23:11,689
allegedly R. Kelly-- having sex
with an underage girl.
431
00:23:11,791 --> 00:23:14,959
This is before the whole advent
of-of sex tapes,
432
00:23:14,994 --> 00:23:18,829
and I think the tape
came on vhs.
433
00:23:18,965 --> 00:23:21,632
As a matter of fact,
it was a vhs tape.
434
00:23:21,667 --> 00:23:25,102
That tape was rushed to me
from Chicago.
435
00:23:25,138 --> 00:23:30,908
I'm looking at this tape,
I'm like, "..."
436
00:23:33,146 --> 00:23:37,047
Robert has a problem.
437
00:23:37,150 --> 00:23:38,249
A lot of people
saw that pee tape.
438
00:23:38,284 --> 00:23:39,650
It was circulating
in the streets,
439
00:23:39,685 --> 00:23:41,352
it was, like, a bootleg
that went around.
440
00:23:41,454 --> 00:23:42,887
I don't remember what I was
thinking at that time,
441
00:23:42,989 --> 00:23:44,488
but I'm like,
"how did he get away with this?"
442
00:23:46,492 --> 00:23:48,092
When I think about
443
00:23:48,127 --> 00:23:51,762
this grown man urinating
in the mouth of a child,
444
00:23:51,798 --> 00:23:54,765
and how degrading that is,
when I first heard it,
445
00:23:54,801 --> 00:23:58,135
it just really concretized
for me
446
00:23:58,171 --> 00:24:00,271
that this person is a monsteR.
447
00:24:02,842 --> 00:24:04,608
The tape is incredibly graphic.
448
00:24:04,644 --> 00:24:07,077
That makes it
almost impossible--
449
00:24:07,180 --> 00:24:09,079
or should have
made it impossible--
450
00:24:09,182 --> 00:24:11,916
for people to pretend
that they did not know
451
00:24:12,018 --> 00:24:15,586
that this person
had a thing for little girls.
452
00:24:15,621 --> 00:24:17,755
It's strange.
453
00:24:17,857 --> 00:24:19,657
You have R. Kelly performing
at the opening ceremonies
454
00:24:19,692 --> 00:24:23,661
of the Olympics...
455
00:24:23,696 --> 00:24:26,630
At the same time that there was this sex tape.
456
00:24:26,666 --> 00:24:29,066
So for R. Kelly to be there,
457
00:24:29,202 --> 00:24:32,136
just speaks to how huge he was.
458
00:24:32,171 --> 00:24:35,139
The story of sexual predation
459
00:24:35,174 --> 00:24:39,009
as an inconvenience
in popular music
460
00:24:39,045 --> 00:24:42,646
is so old.
461
00:24:42,682 --> 00:24:46,484
It's been going on
for decades, centuries.
462
00:24:46,519 --> 00:24:51,121
Nobody wants to give up
the music they love
463
00:24:51,224 --> 00:24:54,792
and nobody wants to think badly
of the artists they love.
464
00:24:54,894 --> 00:24:57,228
And I think that happened with R. Kelly.
465
00:24:57,263 --> 00:24:59,129
I was pissed.
466
00:24:59,232 --> 00:25:00,631
I'm like, "who would do this?"
467
00:25:00,733 --> 00:25:04,001
Not only was I pissed at Robert
for filming this ,
468
00:25:04,036 --> 00:25:06,170
I was pissed at the person
who put this out,
469
00:25:06,205 --> 00:25:09,139
because I'm like, "look, this
is a little girl on this tape."
470
00:25:09,242 --> 00:25:12,376
"Why would y'all do that?"
471
00:25:12,411 --> 00:25:14,411
I was made aware
472
00:25:14,447 --> 00:25:19,850
by, some students that there
was a, a, tape, a sex tape.
473
00:25:19,886 --> 00:25:22,686
One of my basketball players
with R. Kelly.
474
00:25:22,722 --> 00:25:26,190
And they were selling it
on the West Side of Chicago.
475
00:25:26,225 --> 00:25:29,793
My specialty was sex crimes
against minors
476
00:25:29,896 --> 00:25:31,629
for the oak park
police department,
477
00:25:31,731 --> 00:25:35,332
so I went to the West Side,
got a copy of this tape.
478
00:25:35,434 --> 00:25:37,334
And I actually saw it
at the police station.
479
00:25:37,436 --> 00:25:39,970
It was just very disheartening,
it was very sad.
480
00:25:40,106 --> 00:25:42,806
This was the first victim
that I personally knew.
481
00:25:42,942 --> 00:25:45,009
And so, it was very heart--
482
00:25:45,111 --> 00:25:48,579
heartfelt to-to experience this, to see it,
483
00:25:48,614 --> 00:25:51,115
and felt that something had to
be done about it.
484
00:25:52,952 --> 00:25:57,187
Watching the tape and just
thinking about, you know,
485
00:25:57,290 --> 00:25:59,723
if that were me
or if that were my daughter,
486
00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:02,526
it just, obviously,
tears me apart.
487
00:26:02,628 --> 00:26:05,229
I wouldn't want that to happen to any young lady
488
00:26:05,264 --> 00:26:07,197
who's still young, still figuring out life,
489
00:26:07,233 --> 00:26:10,100
just looking up to this person
who's supposed to be somebody
490
00:26:10,136 --> 00:26:13,804
that you trust and...
491
00:26:13,839 --> 00:26:17,308
That trust, obviously, being taken complete advantage of.
492
00:26:21,314 --> 00:26:23,113
When you found out
about that tape,
493
00:26:23,149 --> 00:26:25,849
can you tell me
how you found out about it?
494
00:26:31,624 --> 00:26:33,624
It don't even matteR.
495
00:26:35,962 --> 00:26:38,596
It doesn't matter how
I found out about that tape.
496
00:26:38,631 --> 00:26:41,298
What matters is that it existed.
497
00:26:43,302 --> 00:26:45,102
It doesn't matteR.
498
00:26:45,137 --> 00:26:47,204
Who cares?
499
00:26:49,508 --> 00:26:51,542
Should've never happened.
500
00:26:55,982 --> 00:26:58,882
I love that baby.
501
00:27:01,854 --> 00:27:03,954
Like she was mine.
502
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:07,625
That was my baby.
503
00:27:07,660 --> 00:27:11,895
And for him to do that to heR...
504
00:27:21,374 --> 00:27:22,840
Man...
505
00:27:28,581 --> 00:27:31,215
I had just turned 20 years old.
506
00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:36,654
I ended up, um, missing
my period and I told Rob
507
00:27:36,756 --> 00:27:38,656
that I thought
that I was pregnant.
508
00:27:38,758 --> 00:27:42,726
And he asked me to, um,
did I take a pregnancy test?
509
00:27:42,762 --> 00:27:46,997
I told him I did, and, um,
after that, he asked me
510
00:27:47,099 --> 00:27:52,403
to get another test and then to
take that one in front of him.
511
00:27:52,438 --> 00:27:55,472
And I did that,
and it came up positive.
512
00:27:55,574 --> 00:27:58,409
And, um, he asked me
what did I want to do,
513
00:27:58,444 --> 00:28:00,711
and I told him,
"to get an abortion."
514
00:28:00,746 --> 00:28:04,548
He contacted his assistant
515
00:28:04,583 --> 00:28:06,850
and a week later,
516
00:28:06,952 --> 00:28:11,388
we went to planned parenthood
and I had my abortion.
517
00:28:11,424 --> 00:28:15,459
It kind of was, like, the only
option to me because, um,
518
00:28:15,494 --> 00:28:18,595
I didn't really want
to have a kid by him.
519
00:28:18,631 --> 00:28:20,931
I was concerned with
if it would be a girl,
520
00:28:20,966 --> 00:28:23,100
what I would have
to deal with, so...
521
00:28:23,135 --> 00:28:25,135
I knew she would get older
at some point.
522
00:28:25,171 --> 00:28:27,905
There were, there were things
that I just had to think about
523
00:28:27,940 --> 00:28:30,407
in my mind, you know,
"okay, he did this
524
00:28:30,443 --> 00:28:32,810
"with someone else's, um, child,
525
00:28:32,845 --> 00:28:36,480
I mean, what would keep him
from doing that to mine?"
526
00:28:37,817 --> 00:28:39,083
What was he like as a father?
527
00:28:39,118 --> 00:28:41,852
Was he loving
with your children?
528
00:28:41,954 --> 00:28:44,855
I think Robert
loved our children
529
00:28:44,957 --> 00:28:46,657
the best way he knew how.
530
00:28:46,692 --> 00:28:49,393
He didn't have a father figure
in his life,
531
00:28:49,495 --> 00:28:54,164
so he really didn't...
Know how to be a fatheR.
532
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,633
He just knew how to provide.
533
00:28:58,471 --> 00:29:02,473
The thing about Andrea Kelly and him marrying her
534
00:29:02,508 --> 00:29:05,309
is that nobody saw her after that.
535
00:29:05,344 --> 00:29:07,478
It was like she was locked up,
536
00:29:07,513 --> 00:29:10,380
o-on their estate,
and she wasn't allowed out.
537
00:29:10,483 --> 00:29:12,049
There were stories about--
538
00:29:12,151 --> 00:29:14,752
that even if they, she wanted
to get her hair done,
539
00:29:14,854 --> 00:29:18,088
or get her makeup done,
the people had to come to her,
540
00:29:18,190 --> 00:29:20,057
that she was not
allowed to come out.
541
00:29:20,159 --> 00:29:23,494
And so it was a real odd,
strange situation.
542
00:29:23,529 --> 00:29:26,497
People were wondering,
especially journalists,
543
00:29:26,532 --> 00:29:28,799
why in the midst
of all these allegations
544
00:29:28,834 --> 00:29:31,034
of him having sex
with underage girls,
545
00:29:31,070 --> 00:29:33,170
number one,
why would she marry him?
546
00:29:33,205 --> 00:29:37,007
And number two, was she really free to ever leave home?
547
00:29:37,042 --> 00:29:39,009
Was she a prisoner in her own home?
548
00:29:39,044 --> 00:29:41,445
Just, what that relationship was all about.
549
00:29:41,547 --> 00:29:43,247
There was a lot
of speculation about
550
00:29:43,349 --> 00:29:46,450
what was going on
in the Kelly household.
551
00:29:48,020 --> 00:29:50,320
I would always hear rumors about,
552
00:29:50,356 --> 00:29:51,455
"he's being sued
by this person,
553
00:29:51,557 --> 00:29:52,990
and sued by that person..."
554
00:29:53,025 --> 00:29:55,926
And it almost seemed like every other week,
555
00:29:56,028 --> 00:29:58,695
he was in the tabloids for something.
556
00:29:58,731 --> 00:30:00,197
Another person's coming forward,
557
00:30:00,232 --> 00:30:02,132
and I'm thinking to myself, like,
558
00:30:02,234 --> 00:30:04,134
"when did you have time?
559
00:30:04,236 --> 00:30:07,104
Are there more--" like, "do you
have a doppelganger around here
560
00:30:07,206 --> 00:30:09,306
that I don't know about?"
Like, "when do you have time
561
00:30:09,408 --> 00:30:12,009
"to go to the studio,
play basketball, come abuse me,
562
00:30:12,044 --> 00:30:13,877
"be a dad-- when you wanted to--
563
00:30:13,913 --> 00:30:15,879
"and then go destroy
other people's lives,
564
00:30:15,915 --> 00:30:17,881
and still be on the road
and shoot videos?"
565
00:30:17,917 --> 00:30:21,552
Like, it was just, my mind
couldn't fathom, like,
566
00:30:21,587 --> 00:30:24,788
"how are you doing all this?"
567
00:30:24,890 --> 00:30:27,224
And why didn't I know
anything about it?
568
00:30:27,259 --> 00:30:31,495
And I think the frustration
set in because it then became
569
00:30:31,597 --> 00:30:34,631
very real to me: "Drea,
the reason why you don't know
570
00:30:34,733 --> 00:30:37,234
and he's able to do it, because
he has people helping him."
571
00:30:39,305 --> 00:30:41,171
He had to have backup
572
00:30:41,273 --> 00:30:44,174
in order to continue this level
of behavior that he had.
573
00:30:44,276 --> 00:30:46,543
His predatory behavior
was supported
574
00:30:46,579 --> 00:30:49,012
by the people around him,
in his camp.
575
00:30:49,114 --> 00:30:51,148
And also, it points, to me,
to the person who understands
576
00:30:51,250 --> 00:30:52,950
that they're doing
something wrong.
577
00:30:52,985 --> 00:30:54,751
Right? That you know that
you're doing something wrong
578
00:30:54,787 --> 00:30:56,220
if you have to create systems
579
00:30:56,255 --> 00:30:58,555
to protect yourself
from being exposed.
580
00:30:58,591 --> 00:31:01,859
Did you ever meet his wife?
581
00:31:01,961 --> 00:31:04,795
Um, there were times
where she'd be checking in
582
00:31:04,830 --> 00:31:06,997
to the same hotel as me
at the same time.
583
00:31:07,099 --> 00:31:11,869
She might be with his publicist,
and I'd be with his assistant.
584
00:31:11,971 --> 00:31:14,838
He kept US apart.
585
00:31:14,940 --> 00:31:17,040
You have your team,
you have your cover-up people.
586
00:31:17,142 --> 00:31:19,476
You have lawyers settling claims
out of court.
587
00:31:19,511 --> 00:31:22,246
Not trying to be funny:
You don't read and write well,
588
00:31:22,281 --> 00:31:24,047
so you're not booking flights.
589
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:26,016
Who's booking these flights?
590
00:31:26,118 --> 00:31:29,453
Who's-who's telling the driver
to go pick people up?
591
00:31:29,488 --> 00:31:33,257
Who's getting these hotel rooms?
He's not doing it on his own.
592
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,027
I tell you, I don't know if the music industry
593
00:31:37,129 --> 00:31:39,263
in all knew about what was going on with Rob,
594
00:31:39,298 --> 00:31:41,765
but I do know that around Rob's camp,
595
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,235
everyone knew,
and nothing was done.
596
00:31:45,337 --> 00:31:47,170
And when you have
those type of people
597
00:31:47,206 --> 00:31:51,775
who are your yes-men around you,
it will continue to happen.
598
00:31:51,810 --> 00:31:55,579
And if it wasn't right, it was obviously buried
599
00:31:55,681 --> 00:31:58,615
so that the rest of the world didn't know about it.
600
00:31:58,651 --> 00:32:01,084
That's the way it was.
601
00:32:01,186 --> 00:32:03,053
It was every day, you know?
602
00:32:03,155 --> 00:32:06,189
It's the same routine,
because he can have his way.
603
00:32:06,225 --> 00:32:09,159
We work for him,
and this is what he wanted
604
00:32:09,194 --> 00:32:13,597
and so this is what we were
supposed to get him.
605
00:32:13,699 --> 00:32:16,300
If you're an adult
who's around him
606
00:32:16,335 --> 00:32:18,936
and you're aware
and you're not saying anything,
607
00:32:19,038 --> 00:32:21,972
you're just as sick as he is.
Please understand that.
608
00:32:22,007 --> 00:32:24,141
It doesn't make you any better
because you're not doing it.
609
00:32:24,176 --> 00:32:25,776
If you're aware
and you're not saying anything,
610
00:32:25,878 --> 00:32:27,644
you're just as sick.
611
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,181
You've had these relations with young girls.
612
00:32:31,216 --> 00:32:33,183
There's a video. We're not talking about rumors
613
00:32:33,218 --> 00:32:34,851
at this point, we're talking about something
614
00:32:34,887 --> 00:32:38,388
that we can watch, to this day.
615
00:32:38,424 --> 00:32:42,693
So it feels like they're taking
a stand against black girls.
616
00:32:42,728 --> 00:32:46,029
It feels like
they're taking a stance to say,
617
00:32:46,065 --> 00:32:49,866
"protecting Robert Kelly
and his ability to make music
618
00:32:49,902 --> 00:32:53,503
"and entertain fans
means more than what he did
619
00:32:53,539 --> 00:32:56,673
in his private life
with these little girls."
620
00:33:00,412 --> 00:33:02,579
R. Kelly has done
a really good job
621
00:33:02,614 --> 00:33:06,350
at sort of spreading himself
around musically.
622
00:33:06,385 --> 00:33:08,652
So he's got
these hypersexual songs
623
00:33:08,754 --> 00:33:10,654
like "bump n' grind," and then he's got
624
00:33:10,756 --> 00:33:14,624
the inspirational songs like "I believe I can fly."
625
00:33:14,727 --> 00:33:16,994
And...
I mean, you know,
626
00:33:17,096 --> 00:33:20,330
how can the guy who made
"I believe I can fly,"
627
00:33:20,432 --> 00:33:23,667
which is played
on sunday mornings
628
00:33:23,769 --> 00:33:25,836
in church,
in many black churches,
629
00:33:25,938 --> 00:33:30,874
how can that guy be wrong?
630
00:33:30,909 --> 00:33:34,845
One young exec stated,
631
00:33:34,947 --> 00:33:39,549
"I don't care if that is him
on that tape,
632
00:33:39,585 --> 00:33:44,554
because we can't afford
to lose him."
633
00:33:44,590 --> 00:33:48,558
I was like, "wow.
-That's some serious."
634
00:33:48,594 --> 00:33:51,428
Can't afford to lose him,
635
00:33:51,463 --> 00:33:57,067
and you don't care if it is him
on this tape, with a young girl.
636
00:33:57,102 --> 00:33:59,069
I was like,
"that shows what type of...
637
00:33:59,104 --> 00:34:02,172
Person you are."
638
00:34:02,274 --> 00:34:04,474
When someone like R. Kelly
gets in trouble,
639
00:34:04,510 --> 00:34:07,310
there-there's this knee-jerk
instinct to protect him
640
00:34:07,346 --> 00:34:08,912
from "the system."
641
00:34:08,947 --> 00:34:11,915
From the hand of the law,
from all these forces
642
00:34:11,950 --> 00:34:14,117
that are at play
to make sure that black people--
643
00:34:14,153 --> 00:34:15,552
black men in particular--
don't succeed.
644
00:34:15,654 --> 00:34:17,054
We have to stand by him.
645
00:34:17,156 --> 00:34:19,189
We have to take care of him.
646
00:34:19,291 --> 00:34:22,659
But his crimes were against
black women and girls.
647
00:34:22,694 --> 00:34:27,130
And that was devastating for me,
because at this point,
648
00:34:27,166 --> 00:34:30,233
we already knew,
but now we know some more.
649
00:34:30,335 --> 00:34:32,869
You know, that this Aaliyah thing was not a moment.
650
00:34:32,971 --> 00:34:36,039
This wasn't, "my god, she was just so mature,
651
00:34:36,141 --> 00:34:37,808
she was just, I was just spellbound,
652
00:34:37,843 --> 00:34:39,443
there was just something about heR."
653
00:34:39,478 --> 00:34:43,580
It wasn't just those rumors about kenwood.
654
00:34:43,682 --> 00:34:46,416
It's on tape,
and it's disgusting.
655
00:34:46,518 --> 00:34:48,318
And the tape
is being distributed
656
00:34:48,353 --> 00:34:50,987
in-in barbershops
and on porn sites
657
00:34:51,023 --> 00:34:53,256
and it's everywhere.
658
00:34:53,358 --> 00:34:55,659
And people are still
not willing to say
659
00:34:55,694 --> 00:34:58,595
"I can't do this
with you anymore."
660
00:35:08,540 --> 00:35:12,809
And I told him
that I just had seen a tape,
661
00:35:12,845 --> 00:35:16,012
and it showed our niece on it.
662
00:35:16,048 --> 00:35:18,648
You know, I didn't want
to bring it to my sister
663
00:35:18,684 --> 00:35:22,185
because I don't know
how to bring this to heR.
664
00:35:22,221 --> 00:35:25,889
I couldn't really keep my head
in the game at this point.
665
00:35:25,924 --> 00:35:29,826
What mattered was
me protecting my family
666
00:35:29,862 --> 00:35:33,130
or-or me protecting my niece.
You know what I mean?
667
00:35:33,165 --> 00:35:37,200
That's all that mattered to me.
668
00:35:37,236 --> 00:35:40,337
And I was estranged from the family.
669
00:35:40,372 --> 00:35:43,473
They felt like I was tarnishing
the family's name.
670
00:35:43,509 --> 00:35:45,475
Tarnishing the family name? No.
671
00:35:45,511 --> 00:35:47,511
Robert tarnished
the family's name
672
00:35:47,546 --> 00:35:51,982
by putting our niece, your
daughter, out there like that.
673
00:35:52,084 --> 00:35:54,684
He set out to destroy
that family.
674
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:56,686
That's what I believe,
in my heart.
675
00:35:56,722 --> 00:35:59,122
I believe he tried to divide
676
00:35:59,258 --> 00:36:02,959
that family
with his poor behavioR.
677
00:36:03,095 --> 00:36:07,697
Sparkle is my friend,
she is my son's godmotheR.
678
00:36:07,733 --> 00:36:11,401
She has been and is like a mother to me.
679
00:36:11,436 --> 00:36:14,171
I have always been her little girl,
680
00:36:14,206 --> 00:36:18,675
and I will always be her little girl.
681
00:36:20,913 --> 00:36:25,115
And I watched my friend give up
her career to save her family.
682
00:36:25,150 --> 00:36:26,850
Robert knows what he did.
683
00:36:26,952 --> 00:36:28,952
He's not confused
about what he did.
684
00:36:30,489 --> 00:36:32,889
Once I came out publicly,
685
00:36:32,925 --> 00:36:35,225
yeah, there was
a lot of blowback.
686
00:36:35,260 --> 00:36:39,596
People were unbelieving,
people thought I was hating.
687
00:36:39,631 --> 00:36:41,898
People thought I was jealous.
688
00:36:41,934 --> 00:36:45,202
People were still able
to dismiss sparkle
689
00:36:45,304 --> 00:36:48,271
because they felt like
she's just trying to get money.
690
00:36:48,307 --> 00:36:49,839
What happened to sparkle
is like,
691
00:36:49,975 --> 00:36:52,375
"you are messing with the money,
692
00:36:52,411 --> 00:36:56,680
"you are in violation,
you are talking out of turn,
693
00:36:56,815 --> 00:36:59,082
and now we're gonna
shut you down."
694
00:36:59,117 --> 00:37:03,286
It run the gamut of loaded
and unloaded
695
00:37:03,322 --> 00:37:06,122
that people were saying
about me, to me,
696
00:37:06,158 --> 00:37:09,092
to-- about my family, you know,
about my niece.
697
00:37:09,127 --> 00:37:12,195
Her being a little fast girl,
like, come on.
698
00:37:12,331 --> 00:37:13,797
She's 14 years old.
699
00:37:13,832 --> 00:37:17,400
The adult is supposed to know
not to touch that.
700
00:37:17,502 --> 00:37:21,705
I just remember being completely blown away,
701
00:37:21,807 --> 00:37:26,543
and for this to be happening not
only with a high-profile person
702
00:37:26,678 --> 00:37:28,945
that you look up to and admire,
703
00:37:28,981 --> 00:37:31,815
but also somebody
that you were very close with,
704
00:37:31,850 --> 00:37:33,583
and at the time, thought everything was fine.
705
00:37:33,619 --> 00:37:36,386
I felt really upset because at the same time,
706
00:37:36,521 --> 00:37:38,388
I'm like, "well, why wasn't I there for her?
707
00:37:38,490 --> 00:37:40,890
How did I not know? How could I have been there for her?"
708
00:37:41,026 --> 00:37:43,893
Thinking all these things
that I could've done.
709
00:37:45,664 --> 00:37:47,397
He has no moral clock.
710
00:37:47,532 --> 00:37:50,000
And I can only imagine what
711
00:37:50,035 --> 00:37:55,005
his wife and his children
have endured and did endure.
712
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,841
I can only imagine.
I know what I've seen.
713
00:37:57,876 --> 00:38:00,210
I can only imagine.
714
00:38:00,245 --> 00:38:02,646
I can
only imagine.
715
00:38:02,681 --> 00:38:04,614
You also have a family.
-Yeah.
716
00:38:04,716 --> 00:38:07,150
How are they dealing with this?
You have two children.
717
00:38:07,185 --> 00:38:09,619
Well, my wife is totally behind
me, because she knows the truth,
718
00:38:09,721 --> 00:38:11,955
and-and she's in my corneR.
719
00:38:13,825 --> 00:38:16,826
He put me on the bus in the middle of the night,
720
00:38:16,862 --> 00:38:20,363
did not tell me why we're going,
721
00:38:20,399 --> 00:38:21,531
what we're going foR.
722
00:38:21,566 --> 00:38:23,199
He shipped me off to Florida,
723
00:38:23,235 --> 00:38:25,135
and I'm just staying in this house.
724
00:38:25,170 --> 00:38:27,537
I don't know what's going on,
I got security at the door,
725
00:38:27,572 --> 00:38:29,172
nobody's telling me
anything, like,
726
00:38:29,207 --> 00:38:31,041
"why are we here,
why did we leave Illinois?"
727
00:38:31,076 --> 00:38:33,476
I'm pregnant, I'm supposed
to be going to the doctor,
728
00:38:33,578 --> 00:38:35,111
at least once a week
at this point.
729
00:38:35,247 --> 00:38:37,347
I should not be traveling.
"What is going on?"
730
00:38:37,382 --> 00:38:40,350
No one would tell me anything.
731
00:38:40,385 --> 00:38:42,118
I was just broken.
732
00:38:47,893 --> 00:38:50,093
The allegations had come.
733
00:38:50,228 --> 00:38:52,295
It was known this tape
was there, prioR.
734
00:38:52,331 --> 00:38:54,364
It was obviously buried
735
00:38:54,399 --> 00:38:57,334
so that the rest of the world didn't know about it,
736
00:38:57,369 --> 00:39:00,270
until this tape and those
allegations popped up.
737
00:39:03,208 --> 00:39:06,876
He put me on the bus
in the middle of the night,
738
00:39:06,912 --> 00:39:10,046
did not tell me why we're going, what we're going foR.
739
00:39:10,082 --> 00:39:11,715
He shipped me off to Florida,
740
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:13,516
and I'm just staying in this house.
741
00:39:13,552 --> 00:39:15,518
I don't know what's going on,
I got security at the door,
742
00:39:15,554 --> 00:39:17,454
nobody's telling me
anything, like,
743
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:20,390
"why are we here, why did we
leave Illinois?" I'm pregnant.
744
00:39:24,596 --> 00:39:25,862
I'm supposed to be going
to the doctor,
745
00:39:25,897 --> 00:39:27,497
at least once a week
at this point.
746
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:29,666
I should not be traveling.
"What is going on?"
747
00:39:29,768 --> 00:39:32,235
No one would tell me anything.
748
00:39:32,270 --> 00:39:37,974
I was under so much stress
that when I went to the ob-gyn,
749
00:39:38,076 --> 00:39:40,410
they couldn't find
his heartbeat.
750
00:39:40,445 --> 00:39:43,012
And I remember getting to the emergency room
751
00:39:43,115 --> 00:39:44,447
and my best friend Angie
was with me
752
00:39:44,483 --> 00:39:46,182
and I just remember coming
through the door
753
00:39:46,218 --> 00:39:48,385
and they had papers and signing
and people were grabbing me
754
00:39:48,420 --> 00:39:50,887
and putting stuff in my arm
and I'm like, "wait, wait,
755
00:39:50,922 --> 00:39:52,822
wait, wait," like,
"what are you guys doing?"
756
00:39:52,924 --> 00:39:55,792
And they're like, "we have to
induce your labor right away,
757
00:39:55,827 --> 00:39:58,328
because we don't know
if the baby's gonna make it."
758
00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:05,969
I just remember them
laying me on the bed,
759
00:40:06,004 --> 00:40:07,804
and they were like,
"we're gonna give you pitocin,
760
00:40:07,839 --> 00:40:11,674
we're gonna get this going.
Come on, mom."
761
00:40:11,777 --> 00:40:13,877
And I went through the labor,
and I just remember
762
00:40:13,979 --> 00:40:15,612
falling so in love
with little Rob
763
00:40:15,647 --> 00:40:19,282
because he came here so strong,
764
00:40:19,317 --> 00:40:21,384
but I was in that much stress
765
00:40:21,486 --> 00:40:25,588
that it put my unborn child's
life in jeopardy.
766
00:40:25,624 --> 00:40:29,125
'Cause here I am,
by myself in Florida.
767
00:40:29,161 --> 00:40:34,097
I don't know anybody,
I just have my best friend.
768
00:40:34,132 --> 00:40:37,534
And they eventually, again,
had to go through ten people
769
00:40:37,636 --> 00:40:40,637
to get him on the phone.
770
00:40:40,672 --> 00:40:43,973
"MR. Kelly, do you know that
they induced your wife's labor?
771
00:40:44,009 --> 00:40:46,309
Like, she just had little Rob."
772
00:40:46,344 --> 00:40:48,511
He said he was coming back.
773
00:40:48,547 --> 00:40:52,415
But again, I don't know where he is.
774
00:40:52,451 --> 00:40:55,118
And I remember after having him,
that's when that day happened.
775
00:40:55,153 --> 00:40:57,787
MR. Kelly has been indicted.
776
00:40:57,823 --> 00:40:59,923
There's been a warrant issued
for his arrest,
777
00:41:00,025 --> 00:41:02,091
and the Chicago police
department is currently seeking
778
00:41:02,194 --> 00:41:04,060
to arrest MR. Kelly.
779
00:41:04,162 --> 00:41:06,463
We charge that the acts took place
780
00:41:06,498 --> 00:41:08,264
in Kelly's home in Chicago.
781
00:41:08,366 --> 00:41:11,067
These indictments, hopefully, will send a message
782
00:41:11,169 --> 00:41:15,004
to sexual predators
that taking advantage of minors
783
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,008
will not be tolerated and that
there are severe penalties.
784
00:41:19,044 --> 00:41:21,044
I'm sitting here with the baby,
and then it
785
00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:23,146
comes across the screen, they're like,
786
00:41:23,181 --> 00:41:25,715
"R&B singer R. Kelly has been arrested
787
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:28,151
on child pornography,"
and I just remember
788
00:41:28,186 --> 00:41:31,120
my best friend was with me...
And she said
789
00:41:31,223 --> 00:41:33,690
she don't know what happened,
but my body went limp,
790
00:41:33,725 --> 00:41:37,627
and she said she caught little
Rob before he hit the flooR.
791
00:41:37,729 --> 00:41:42,365
And I remember, like,
a buzzing sound.
792
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,634
It almost felt like I couldn't heaR.
793
00:41:44,669 --> 00:41:46,369
And I saw the screen,
794
00:41:46,404 --> 00:41:49,005
and they showed his name
and the police, and...
795
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,877
I just, I don't even remember
a lot after that.
796
00:41:53,912 --> 00:41:56,913
What about
the child porn charges?
66076
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