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Tonight, our program
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is about the war
between Coke and Pepsi.
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I'm a Pepsi person.
Always have been.
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I hate it. It tastes like
watered-down Coca-Cola.
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Coca-Cola. Like I said,
it really is the best.
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For over 100 years,
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Pepsi and Coke have been
locked in a battle
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for the hearts, minds
and wallets of America.
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Coca-Cola is the most popular
consumer product in the world.
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Pepsi was always scrapping
to beat number one.
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You tell me
which one you picked.
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Okay. Pepsi.
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The Pepsi Challenge was like
a bomb going off in Atlanta.
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It was a shocking occurrence
in the soft drink wars
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and in Coca-Cola.
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Employing brilliant minds
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and millions of dollars,
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Pepsi and Coke
used every weapon possible
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to destroy their competition.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
Michael Jackson.
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Michael leaned over
and said,
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"I'm going to make Coke wish
that they were Pepsi."
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And I remember thinking
to myself,
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"This is going
to change everything."
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They went into crisis mode.
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What do we do?
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Coca-Cola
is about to announce
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what it calls the most
significant development.
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We were pretty much
in disbelief.
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The most significant
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soft drink
marketing development
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in the company's
100-year history.
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We have to figure out
what this is.
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How did a war between
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two soda brands succeed
in capturing the imagination
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of the entire country
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and almost destroy
one of the most iconic symbols
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of American culture?
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Yes, for a bright taste
and a bracing sparkle,
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for perfect refreshment
every time,
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there's nothing like
ice-cold Coca-Cola.
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Coca-Cola was the first cola
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introduced to America,
created in 1886
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by a pharmacist
in Atlanta, Georgia.
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Pepsi-Cola came soon after,
in 1893,
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and spent most
of the 20th century
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trying to catch up
to Coke's early head start.
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By the 1970s,
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Coke was the undisputed leader
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amongst all colas
across the globe.
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Coca-Cola is sold
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in 137 countries
as the world's
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most popular soft drink.
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Walk down the street
of any town,
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any city, any burg,
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and you would see
Coca-Cola signs.
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It got to the point where
people didn't even notice
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Coca-Cola signs anymore
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because it was such a part
of the landscape,
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just like you don't notice
every tree that you see.
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I believe the story goes that
the two most recognizable words
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in the English language are
"okay" and "Coke."
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- Do you speak any English?
- No.
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- How about a Coke?
- A Coke?
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Coke. Drink. Coke.
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Coca-Cola!
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In a business where even
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a one-point edge
in the market
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was worth hundreds
of millions of dollars,
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Pepsi and Coke
fiercely competed
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for every ounce of soda
consumed across the world.
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Pepsi's task was, in fact,
to be the underdog.
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To be the rascally rabbit,
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or "wascally wabbit,"
if you will,
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to the Elmer Fudd
of Coca-Cola.
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I think being the underdog
is the place you want to be,
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because when you're number one,
you're in the lead,
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you kind of sit on your laurels
and you don't really...
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"Well, we're great,
we're wonderful,
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there's nothing else
that we could possibly do."
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But number two is always
scrapping to beat number one.
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In the 1970s,
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the competition was fierce.
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RC Cola, Dr Pepper and others
were vying to be number two.
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Pepsi knew that to even get
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on the same playing field
as Coke,
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they would need to make
a bold move.
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And then, all of a sudden,
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this sort of very local,
little advertising gimmick
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a local Pepsi guy came up with,
called the Pepsi Challenge.
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And the world changed.
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In recent side-by-side
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blind taste tests, nationwide,
more than half
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the Coca-Cola drinkers tested
preferred Pepsi.
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Which do you like better?
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I prefer this one.
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It has a more tangy taste.
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Tell me the one
you preferred.
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Pepsi-Cola.
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You can believe that.
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In Dallas, Texas,
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we introduced a comparative
advertising campaign,
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unique at the time,
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where we were
a number-three brand.
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Not just a number-two brand.
A number-three brand.
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Coke, Dr Pepper,
the local brand, and Pepsi.
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So with almost
nothing to lose,
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we launched a blind taste test.
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This is the taste.
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This is the test.
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Pepsi versus Coke.
The Pepsi Challenge.
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I mean, production values
were low when I was a kid,
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but this was startlingly low.
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Like, come here,
we've got mystery beverages.
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Would you be willing
to sit down and try them?
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No! Coke would never do that.
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Coke was winning
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in the supermarkets
and the fast-food chains.
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Pepsi's strategy:
win the supermarkets,
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and the rest of America
will follow.
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The Pepsi Challenge proved
Pepsi was on the offense
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and unafraid
to take on the champ.
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You tell me
which one you picked.
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Okay. Pepsi.
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What do you think of the
Pepsi Challenge now as a test?
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- I believe it. I believe it.
- You believe it?
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At first I thought, well,
it's not real, it can't be real.
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And I actually... we did it
at our house with friends,
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and more people ended up
picking Pepsi.
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I was like, well, maybe this
is actually something real.
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It's not just a gimmick.
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Where I grew up
in Cincinnati, Ohio,
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we loved the Reds.
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We loved the Bengals,
and we drank Pepsi.
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That's just the way it was.
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When I saw the Pepsi Challenge
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and I saw people
choosing Pepsi,
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it just affirmed everything
about who I was.
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I was like,
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"They're making
the right choice."
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Pepsi.
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Do you want to do
a Pepsi Challenge?
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Make a fool of myself, sure.
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So the question before us is,
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can the author
of "The Cola Wars"
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tell the difference
between Coke and Pepsi?
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I doubt it very much,
but I'll give it a shot.
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It's... listening to these guys
talk about beverages,
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you'd think they were talking
about the finest wines.
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On a sip test basis,
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Pepsi is a sweeter product
than Coke.
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It has ten more calories
in a can than Coca-Cola does.
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I don't know what I'm doing.
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And on a sip basis,
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Americans will tend to pick
the sweeter product.
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Pepsi took this and used it
to their advantage.
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Can I guess this is Pepsi?
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Reveal.
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You got it.
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Oh, my God,
I can't believe it.
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Well, it was one out of two,
you know?
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All across this country,
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people took
the Pepsi Challenge,
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and Pepsi won, because...
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♪ You know a winner
when you taste one ♪
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It really caught
public attention,
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and Pepsi Challenge
was the catapult
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to a rivalry
that put Pepsi on,
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really, the same playing field
as Coke.
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Pepsi-Cola.
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Even thought it was one
a one- or two-point advantage,
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it put them on camera
next to Coca-Cola.
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And suddenly they moved
from a second positioning
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to an equal positioning
in the minds of the consumer.
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That's really what the
Pepsi Challenge was all about.
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By the end of the 1970s,
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the soft drink business
was growing fast.
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Fuelled by the intensifying
cola wars,
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Pepsi was gaining real momentum
for the first time in history.
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With so much money
and market share at stake,
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Coke wasn't going down
without an epic fight.
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I'm from Atlanta.
I was born in Atlanta.
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I obviously grew up
drinking Coca-Cola.
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I don't think I've ever known
a Pepsi drinker.
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Now that I think about it.
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This one.
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Coke.
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I was pretty sure
it was Coke.
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I passed my Atlanta test.
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My mother's not spinning
in her grave.
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You're a Coca-Cola drinker,
is that right?
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Yeah.
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I'm gonna ask you
to take sip.
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The Pepsi Challenge was like
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a bomb going off
in Atlanta.
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First of all,
it was rude, you know?
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Again, that's just not the way
you did business.
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You didn't call attention
to the other person's product,
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and you certainly wouldn't
claim you were better.
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Coca-Cola was outraged.
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They said,
"This is unfair advertising."
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And the whole marketing
community said,
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"Why is Coke so concerned
about little Pepsi?"
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Binoculars.
Pepsi Challenge booth.
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And I'm looking
for the Coke drinker
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the Pepsi guys
never show on TV.
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He's tasting.
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He's smiling.
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He picked Coke.
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Now, are we ever gonna
see this on TV? Ha!
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So Bill Cosby, at the time,
of course, was Mr. Wholesome.
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Family man wearing
the funny sweaters,
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forgetting about what happened
later with Bill Cosby.
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He was put into service
to be Coke's great defender.
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Let the other guys
play the games.
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You know the score.
Coke is it.
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Yeah.
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I remember the Bill Cosby ads,
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but I don't remember them,
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and that's how impressed
I was with them.
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Everything goes with Coke.
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Every advertisement
that Coke launched
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to sort of counter
the Pepsi Challenge,
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it was like they were
chasing Pepsi.
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And you could tell
that they were worried.
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In the early 1970s,
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18% of soda drinkers
only drank Coke.
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After the Pepsi Challenge
campaign,
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that number plummeted to 4%.
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Coke was bewildered.
It was the first time ever
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the Real Thing
was feeling vulnerable.
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Overall, Coke still had
about a 3-to-2 advantage
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in the United States.
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And outside the United States,
it far outsold Pepsi.
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But in food stores in this
country in the late '70s,
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Pepsi passed Coke.
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The Pepsi Challenge
was so successful for Pepsi
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that everywhere it was tried,
their sales increased.
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There's great satisfaction
knowing that
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more people are going
to a supermarket
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and buying Pepsi
than Coke.
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♪ You know a winner
When you taste one ♪
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I've never had a Coke
in my life.
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Sure.
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Now I'm changing my mind.
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Okay.
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Hmm.
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This one.
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Yeah! Whoo!
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I do prefer that one.
252
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Brand loyalty was sort of
the dominant theme
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of the Coke and Pepsi
competition.
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You were either a Coke
or a Pepsi person,
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and that was almost like,
you know,
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Democrat/Republican
at the time.
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Everybody was
one or the other.
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People at Coca-Cola
take this pretty seriously,
259
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and I think it's probably true
of the folks at Pepsi too.
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It's hard to comprehend
at the time
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how insular Coca-Cola was.
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They didn't use
the name Pepsi.
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They called it
"that other cola company."
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Seriously.
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Grown men,
head of corporations,
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would not refer to Pepsi
by their name.
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Anyway...
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It was really rare to hear
the word "Pepsi" at Coke,
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and as the leaders,
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we thought that we needed
to focus on our brand,
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and growth for our brand.
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Coca-Cola immediately started
flowing through our veins.
273
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And that's what happens
when you work at Coke.
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To this day,
I would not drink a Coke
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if somebody paid me to,
276
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and my whole family
is like that.
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My niece was in a McDonald's
when she was three years old,
278
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and she was choking,
and my sister-in-law
279
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was trying to give her a Coke,
and she wouldn't take it.
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She said, "No Coke. Pepsi."
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I mean, had I tasted it?
Yes, of course, you have to.
282
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But have I really drank Pepsi?
Well, no.
283
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If you walked into a
restaurant and ordered a Coke,
284
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and they said, "I'm sorry,
all we have is Pepsi,"
285
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you got up and you walked
out of that restaurant.
286
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Our son hated
his kindergarten teacher
287
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and wouldn't go to school,
and we couldn't understand why.
288
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And we found out
it's because
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she drank Diet Coke
at lunchtime.
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He didn't want
to see her with it.
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The 1980s.
292
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A time of mass media
and mass consumption.
293
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A perfect point in history
for an epic showdown
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between two soft drink brands
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that would capture
the attention
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of an American public
ready to be wowed.
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During the 80s,
the cola wars
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was a major development.
299
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It was still a world where,
if you ran your TV commercial
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on the major
broadcast networks,
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you would reach 90% or more
of the American public.
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♪ It's alive and light ♪
303
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♪ It's doing it right ♪
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♪ It's a hit, it's a Coke
Coke is it ♪
305
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That's why you could have
the cola wars,
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is because you had everyone
experiencing it.
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Everybody knew
what was going on,
308
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and it was a common touchstone
for the entire population.
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People are not talking about
tax reform or missile buildup.
310
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They're talking about cola wars.
It's on everybody's minds.
311
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And the interesting part
of the story
312
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is that we don't know
the outcome.
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So people will continue
to wonder about it.
314
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There was a tremendous amount
of news coverage
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about soda during the '80s,
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because back in the '80s,
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the sodas had
a really prominent role
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in American life.
319
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Billy Joel's
"We Didn't Start the Fire."
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That's what comes to my head
when I think of the cola wars.
321
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♪ We didn't start the fire ♪
322
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He's listed all the horrors
of the 20th century,
323
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and he's able
to keep it together,
324
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even when JFK is blown away.
325
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But when he gets to the
"rock-and-roller cola wars"...
326
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♪ Rock-and-roller cola wars
I can't take it anymore ♪
327
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There was a very specific
focus on those two brands.
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- What you having?
- Coke.
329
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- No Coke. Pepsi.
- Pepsi.
330
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One Pepsi!
331
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- One Pepsi!
- Hey!
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There were
no bottled waters.
333
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There were no sparkling juices.
334
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There was just those two.
That was your choice.
335
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Coke and Pepsi were spending
336
00:14:05,521 --> 00:14:08,156
over $100 million per year
on advertising,
337
00:14:08,190 --> 00:14:10,492
and the onslaught of ads
was paying off.
338
00:14:10,526 --> 00:14:14,229
In 1980, the average American
was consuming three times
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00:14:14,263 --> 00:14:17,399
as much soda than they did
in the 1950s.
340
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As much as 400 12-ounce cans
per year.
341
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Soft drinks are the beverage
of choice of most Americans.
342
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We drink more soda pop
than water.
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43 gallons apiece this year,
versus 39.
344
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And the market, a staggering
$25 billion a year,
345
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is well worth fighting for.
346
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It was the biggest
single beverage category.
347
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Ahead of water,
348
00:14:37,386 --> 00:14:40,556
and then coffee, and then tea,
and so on.
349
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Every grocer in America
ran a soda ad every week,
350
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and it was Coke or Pepsi,
not both.
351
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Coming off the successful
352
00:14:47,629 --> 00:14:49,565
Pepsi Challenge campaign,
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00:14:49,598 --> 00:14:51,834
speculation arose that
Coke might be in trouble.
354
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Further complicating
matters for Coke,
355
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longtime chairman
Robert Woodruff stepped down.
356
00:14:56,806 --> 00:14:59,441
Robert Woodruff was,
for more than 60 years,
357
00:14:59,474 --> 00:15:01,176
either the president
or chairman of the board
358
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of the Coca-Cola Company.
359
00:15:03,412 --> 00:15:06,415
And he ran the company almost
until the time he passed away.
360
00:15:06,448 --> 00:15:07,616
He was often,
inside the company,
361
00:15:07,649 --> 00:15:09,117
called "the boss."
362
00:15:09,151 --> 00:15:10,619
And he very much was the boss.
363
00:15:10,652 --> 00:15:12,855
In the early 1980s,
364
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Robert Woodruff really passed
the baton to Roberto Goizueta
365
00:15:16,291 --> 00:15:19,561
and stepped away for the first
time in 50 years.
366
00:15:19,595 --> 00:15:21,698
Mr. Goizueta promptly
chose Don Keough
367
00:15:21,731 --> 00:15:25,233
as his president and COO,
and they were partners
368
00:15:25,267 --> 00:15:26,736
until they both retired
from the company.
369
00:15:26,769 --> 00:15:29,271
They balanced each other
beautifully,
370
00:15:29,304 --> 00:15:32,775
and they worked together
as a partnership
371
00:15:32,809 --> 00:15:35,377
like I've never seen.
372
00:15:35,410 --> 00:15:38,848
Don Keough was this, you
know, hail-fellow-well-met.
373
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Great Irish, you know,
storyteller, slap on the back.
374
00:15:43,218 --> 00:15:47,356
Roberto Goizueta
was a different character.
375
00:15:47,389 --> 00:15:49,792
He was a quiet person.
376
00:15:49,826 --> 00:15:51,560
He had, I think,
incredible drive
377
00:15:51,593 --> 00:15:53,730
and incredible focus.
378
00:15:53,763 --> 00:15:56,365
He was, without question,
the right man for the times.
379
00:15:56,398 --> 00:15:59,334
Mr. Goizueta took a company
which, frankly,
380
00:15:59,368 --> 00:16:02,471
had grown maybe
a little bit lazy
381
00:16:02,504 --> 00:16:04,406
and wasn't as aggressive
as it might have been,
382
00:16:04,439 --> 00:16:05,875
and was willing
to take actions
383
00:16:05,908 --> 00:16:07,944
that were going
to shake things up.
384
00:16:07,977 --> 00:16:10,178
And it was Roberto who then
had his own mantra, which was,
385
00:16:10,212 --> 00:16:11,748
"There's no sacred cows."
386
00:16:11,781 --> 00:16:13,750
I think because
of the cola wars,
387
00:16:13,783 --> 00:16:16,251
because there was
such intense competition
388
00:16:16,284 --> 00:16:18,654
between Coke and Pepsi,
389
00:16:18,688 --> 00:16:22,224
that both felt like they really
had to raise their game.
390
00:16:22,257 --> 00:16:24,259
Pepsi and Coke were locked
391
00:16:24,292 --> 00:16:26,228
in a war for the taste buds
of America,
392
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where the prize was billions
of dollars of revenue.
393
00:16:28,965 --> 00:16:31,566
With underdog Pepsi
nipping at Coke's heels,
394
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the world's most popular brand
was finally realizing
395
00:16:34,837 --> 00:16:37,673
it had some legitimate
competition.
396
00:16:37,707 --> 00:16:39,942
It was fun getting up
every day to do battle
397
00:16:39,976 --> 00:16:41,510
with the number one brand
in the world.
398
00:16:41,543 --> 00:16:43,578
You certainly
rolled out of bed
399
00:16:43,612 --> 00:16:46,314
thinking that you had to bring
your "A" game to work
400
00:16:46,348 --> 00:16:47,616
every single day,
401
00:16:47,649 --> 00:16:49,651
or you weren't going
to win that day.
402
00:16:49,686 --> 00:16:52,287
The battle between
Coke and Pepsi
403
00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,389
was a battle for the heart
and soul of America.
404
00:16:54,423 --> 00:16:55,992
When you are the leader,
405
00:16:56,025 --> 00:16:57,994
you're always looking
over your shoulder
406
00:16:58,027 --> 00:16:59,661
to see who's coming at you.
407
00:16:59,696 --> 00:17:01,831
And then you have PepsiCo
trying to figure out
408
00:17:01,864 --> 00:17:04,901
any way they can
to knock you off the top.
409
00:17:04,934 --> 00:17:07,770
So for the first time,
there was the real possibility
410
00:17:07,804 --> 00:17:10,405
that they might be able
to catch Coke.
411
00:17:18,014 --> 00:17:20,717
Coca-Cola
is the most popular
412
00:17:20,750 --> 00:17:22,651
consumer product
in the world,
413
00:17:22,685 --> 00:17:26,555
and by far the largest-selling
soft drink.
414
00:17:26,588 --> 00:17:28,791
Product bearing the trademark
Coca-Cola are asked for
415
00:17:28,825 --> 00:17:30,793
in 80 languages,
416
00:17:30,827 --> 00:17:35,330
and enjoyed more than
279 million times each day
417
00:17:35,363 --> 00:17:37,666
in more than 155 countries.
418
00:17:37,700 --> 00:17:39,334
Before the Pepsi Challenge,
419
00:17:39,367 --> 00:17:41,037
Coca-Cola had enjoyed
a long history
420
00:17:41,070 --> 00:17:43,305
of mostly
unchallenged success,
421
00:17:43,338 --> 00:17:45,474
but this long-standing
dominance
422
00:17:45,507 --> 00:17:48,343
also made the company
resistant to change,
423
00:17:48,376 --> 00:17:50,579
especially when it came
to Coke's highly revered
424
00:17:50,612 --> 00:17:52,447
secret formula.
425
00:17:52,481 --> 00:17:53,783
The formula for Coca-Cola
426
00:17:53,816 --> 00:17:55,918
is called Merchandise 7X,
427
00:17:55,952 --> 00:17:58,320
a recipe so secret
that it's locked inside
428
00:17:58,353 --> 00:17:59,989
this Atlanta bank vault,
429
00:18:00,022 --> 00:18:02,390
so successful that
it's been tinkered with
430
00:18:02,424 --> 00:18:05,527
but never dramatically
changed in nearly 100 years.
431
00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,596
The secret formula has been
432
00:18:07,629 --> 00:18:10,532
a really smart piece
of marketing
433
00:18:10,565 --> 00:18:13,502
by Coca-Cola
for a long time.
434
00:18:13,535 --> 00:18:16,839
The idea that this product is
so proprietary and so special
435
00:18:16,873 --> 00:18:19,541
that the formula is kept
top secret.
436
00:18:19,574 --> 00:18:21,744
Do I know the Coke formula?
437
00:18:21,778 --> 00:18:23,612
No.
438
00:18:23,645 --> 00:18:25,313
Do I know what most
of the ingredients are?
439
00:18:25,347 --> 00:18:26,916
Yes, but I don't know
the recipe.
440
00:18:26,949 --> 00:18:29,618
That is very tightly held.
441
00:18:29,651 --> 00:18:31,419
Very few people
in the company
442
00:18:31,453 --> 00:18:33,055
know what the formula is.
443
00:18:33,089 --> 00:18:34,891
It's probably fewer
than a half a dozen,
444
00:18:34,924 --> 00:18:37,894
and I think the notion
of the secret formula
445
00:18:37,927 --> 00:18:40,997
is something that has passed
into legend.
446
00:18:41,030 --> 00:18:43,065
I was told in just straight...
447
00:18:43,099 --> 00:18:44,967
I mean, they would do it
with a straight face,
448
00:18:45,001 --> 00:18:47,069
and you couldn't get them
to giggle about it...
449
00:18:47,103 --> 00:18:50,672
that there were never more
than three people that knew it.
450
00:18:50,706 --> 00:18:53,608
And they couldn't fly
on the same plane together.
451
00:18:53,642 --> 00:18:55,544
Ah-ha.
452
00:18:55,577 --> 00:18:58,014
How many ingredients
can there be in Coke?
453
00:18:58,047 --> 00:19:00,649
It's like water, bubbles,
454
00:19:00,683 --> 00:19:02,551
sugar.
455
00:19:02,584 --> 00:19:05,021
There's no secret formula
to Pepsi.
456
00:19:05,054 --> 00:19:06,722
Pepsi will tell you right away
what's in it.
457
00:19:06,756 --> 00:19:08,557
Keeping the formula secret
458
00:19:08,590 --> 00:19:10,993
was so important to Coke
that it sometimes came
459
00:19:11,027 --> 00:19:13,528
at the cost of growing
their business.
460
00:19:13,562 --> 00:19:14,897
Coke's problem is
461
00:19:14,931 --> 00:19:16,565
the Indian
government's demand
462
00:19:16,598 --> 00:19:17,934
that the American company
turn over
463
00:19:17,967 --> 00:19:20,069
60% of its ownership
to Indians,
464
00:19:20,102 --> 00:19:22,104
along with its technical
know-how,
465
00:19:22,138 --> 00:19:24,406
including Coke's
secret formula.
466
00:19:24,439 --> 00:19:26,008
The Indians knew
what they were doing.
467
00:19:26,042 --> 00:19:28,077
They wanted to kick
Coca-Cola out of the country,
468
00:19:28,110 --> 00:19:30,913
and so they demanded
the recipe,
469
00:19:30,947 --> 00:19:32,849
the secret formula, the 7X.
470
00:19:32,882 --> 00:19:34,649
It's just not going to happen.
471
00:19:34,684 --> 00:19:36,686
So Coke left.
It was like,
472
00:19:36,719 --> 00:19:38,688
"Okay, yeah,
we can live without that.
473
00:19:38,721 --> 00:19:41,023
We're not giving up 7X,
that's for sure."
474
00:19:41,057 --> 00:19:42,657
I grew up in India.
475
00:19:42,692 --> 00:19:44,426
I remember as a young kid
476
00:19:44,459 --> 00:19:46,162
coming to my first trip
to the U.S. in 1977,
477
00:19:46,195 --> 00:19:49,431
and on the plane I took one
of those little cans of Coke
478
00:19:49,464 --> 00:19:51,399
and smuggled it home with me,
479
00:19:51,433 --> 00:19:53,769
because it was such
an iconic thing.
480
00:19:55,470 --> 00:19:57,606
It's interesting.
I grew up in a Pepsi family.
481
00:19:57,639 --> 00:19:59,041
Came to work
for the Coca-Cola company.
482
00:19:59,075 --> 00:20:01,010
This is Coke.
483
00:20:01,043 --> 00:20:03,645
I wasn't much of a soft drink
drinker when I was a kid.
484
00:20:03,679 --> 00:20:06,648
But Coke had this ubiquity.
It was everywhere.
485
00:20:06,682 --> 00:20:08,450
Stadiums, arenas.
486
00:20:08,483 --> 00:20:09,685
There's no question
about it.
487
00:20:09,719 --> 00:20:11,453
So the marketing
worked on me,
488
00:20:11,486 --> 00:20:14,023
and I had this sense
of bigness and fun
489
00:20:14,056 --> 00:20:15,725
associated with that brand.
490
00:20:15,758 --> 00:20:17,459
That's Coke.
491
00:20:17,492 --> 00:20:20,997
Yeah. Okay.
492
00:20:21,030 --> 00:20:23,733
Coke has
a little bite to it.
493
00:20:23,766 --> 00:20:27,636
From a taste perspective,
that was, for me, easy to tell.
494
00:20:27,669 --> 00:20:29,471
Coke's formula
495
00:20:29,504 --> 00:20:31,640
wasn't the only thing
it held in high regard.
496
00:20:31,673 --> 00:20:34,911
When Coke joined the
diet soda trend in 1963,
497
00:20:34,944 --> 00:20:37,747
it refused to use the name
Coke or Coca-Cola
498
00:20:37,780 --> 00:20:40,149
for anything
but its flagship brand.
499
00:20:40,182 --> 00:20:43,185
So as a result,
the world was given TaB.
500
00:20:43,219 --> 00:20:45,121
♪ TaB ♪
501
00:20:45,154 --> 00:20:47,156
♪ What a beautiful treat ♪
502
00:20:47,189 --> 00:20:50,993
♪ TaB, for beautiful people
TaB ♪
503
00:20:51,027 --> 00:20:53,129
TaB, it was very female.
504
00:20:53,162 --> 00:20:55,597
TaB, TaB Cola,
for beautiful people.
505
00:20:55,630 --> 00:20:57,867
And there were a lot
of female models.
506
00:20:57,900 --> 00:21:00,236
You rarely saw a man
in any TaB work.
507
00:21:00,269 --> 00:21:02,537
By the late '70s,
early '80s,
508
00:21:02,570 --> 00:21:04,673
TaB was getting
a little soft.
509
00:21:04,707 --> 00:21:06,676
Sales were a little stale.
510
00:21:06,709 --> 00:21:08,476
A little tepid.
511
00:21:08,510 --> 00:21:10,813
And so Coca-Cola
realized that, you know,
512
00:21:10,846 --> 00:21:15,151
what we need to do is
leverage the Coca-oca-la bran.
513
00:21:15,184 --> 00:21:17,585
In the ongoing struggle for
shelf space and market shares,
514
00:21:17,619 --> 00:21:19,221
both Coca-Cola and Pepsi
515
00:21:19,255 --> 00:21:21,223
have now moved to increase
their battle supplies.
516
00:21:21,257 --> 00:21:24,927
That was what was exciting
about the '80s at Coca-Cola.
517
00:21:24,961 --> 00:21:28,197
Led by Roberto,
implemented by Don,
518
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:32,034
was this, "I'm sorry, we can't
be the way we were in the past.
519
00:21:32,068 --> 00:21:35,037
"We've gone to sleep.
We need to wake up.
520
00:21:35,071 --> 00:21:37,173
And everything's on the table."
521
00:21:37,206 --> 00:21:39,141
To counter the strides
522
00:21:39,175 --> 00:21:41,811
Pepsi had made in the 1970s
with the Pepsi Challenge,
523
00:21:41,844 --> 00:21:44,546
Coke decided it needed
to launch a new weapon
524
00:21:44,579 --> 00:21:46,816
in the fight against
its challenger.
525
00:21:46,849 --> 00:21:48,884
Ladies and gentlemen,
526
00:21:48,918 --> 00:21:51,653
welcome to the world premiere
of a great new soft drink.
527
00:21:51,687 --> 00:21:55,091
The world premiere
of Diet Coke.
528
00:21:55,124 --> 00:21:57,760
♪ Introducing Diet Coke ♪
529
00:21:57,793 --> 00:22:00,229
And the company invested
530
00:22:00,262 --> 00:22:01,797
a tremendous amount
of money at the time
531
00:22:01,831 --> 00:22:03,265
in a product launch,
532
00:22:03,299 --> 00:22:05,901
both in terms of advertising
and promotion
533
00:22:05,935 --> 00:22:08,270
to draw as much attention
to it as possible.
534
00:22:08,304 --> 00:22:10,672
Hey, you know what's new?
Diet Coke.
535
00:22:10,706 --> 00:22:12,074
And you're going to drink it
536
00:22:12,108 --> 00:22:14,744
- just for the taste of it.
- Yeah.
537
00:22:14,777 --> 00:22:16,746
It was a risk,
because if it didn't work,
538
00:22:16,779 --> 00:22:20,249
it would have dragged down
the Coca-Cola brand name.
539
00:22:20,282 --> 00:22:23,618
Coke had to think
long and hard
540
00:22:23,651 --> 00:22:25,054
about bringing out Diet Coke,
541
00:22:25,087 --> 00:22:27,156
because it would have been
the first product
542
00:22:27,189 --> 00:22:29,859
ever in the history
of the Coca-Cola Company
543
00:22:29,892 --> 00:22:32,228
that had the word "Coke" in it
but wasn't Coke.
544
00:22:32,261 --> 00:22:36,098
Roberto Goizueta
was absolutely serious
545
00:22:36,132 --> 00:22:38,034
when he said
"no sacred cows."
546
00:22:38,067 --> 00:22:39,769
And Diet Coke was actually
547
00:22:39,802 --> 00:22:41,337
probably the largest
single example
548
00:22:41,370 --> 00:22:44,572
of sacrificing a sacred cow.
549
00:22:44,606 --> 00:22:48,110
Have you noticed how many men
are drinking Diet Coke?
550
00:22:48,144 --> 00:22:50,112
- You like it?
- It tastes great,
551
00:22:50,146 --> 00:22:51,881
and I don't even drink
diet drinks.
552
00:22:51,914 --> 00:22:53,282
And if you think about it,
in the '80s,
553
00:22:53,315 --> 00:22:55,751
that's when you suddenly
had the emergence, also,
554
00:22:55,785 --> 00:22:58,154
of light beers,
and light beers
555
00:22:58,187 --> 00:23:00,156
were marketed not
just to women, but to men.
556
00:23:00,189 --> 00:23:04,126
And so it became acceptable
for men to drink
557
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,128
reduced-calorie drinks.
558
00:23:06,162 --> 00:23:09,597
And Diet Coke
was right there with it.
559
00:23:09,631 --> 00:23:12,802
Diet Coke, I think,
made them realize
560
00:23:12,835 --> 00:23:17,006
literally if it was
not hogwash
561
00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:18,606
and it had the name
Diet Coke,
562
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,209
people were going
to drink it.
563
00:23:20,242 --> 00:23:23,212
And if it tasted good,
you had a winner.
564
00:23:23,245 --> 00:23:24,880
To this very day
I can remember getting
565
00:23:24,914 --> 00:23:26,048
my first Diet Coke and went,
566
00:23:26,082 --> 00:23:27,883
"Wow, gee whiz,"
you know?
567
00:23:27,917 --> 00:23:30,618
I knew it was coming out
and I couldn't wait
568
00:23:30,652 --> 00:23:32,654
to somehow get my hands
on it.
569
00:23:32,688 --> 00:23:35,991
The amazing thing
about Diet Coke
570
00:23:36,025 --> 00:23:39,228
was that on the day
that it was introduced,
571
00:23:39,261 --> 00:23:41,663
the day it started,
572
00:23:41,697 --> 00:23:46,268
it became the third best-selling
soft drink in the world.
573
00:23:46,302 --> 00:23:48,904
Hello, I'm Brian Dyson,
president of Coca-Cola U.S.A.
574
00:23:48,938 --> 00:23:51,040
To you who bottle Diet Coke,
575
00:23:51,073 --> 00:23:53,209
to you who load and drive
the trucks,
576
00:23:53,242 --> 00:23:55,111
and to you who sell
and serve Diet Coke,
577
00:23:55,144 --> 00:23:56,846
congratulations.
578
00:23:56,879 --> 00:23:58,814
You've just made Diet Coke
579
00:23:58,848 --> 00:24:01,083
not only America's
leading diet drink,
580
00:24:01,117 --> 00:24:04,086
but the third-biggest
soft drink of any kind.
581
00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:06,055
By the end of 1983,
582
00:24:06,088 --> 00:24:09,225
Diet Coke was the
number-one-selling diet soda.
583
00:24:09,258 --> 00:24:11,026
But even more impressive:
within a year,
584
00:24:11,060 --> 00:24:12,828
it replaced 7UP
585
00:24:12,862 --> 00:24:15,064
as the number three
overall soft drink
586
00:24:15,097 --> 00:24:17,099
in the United States.
587
00:24:17,133 --> 00:24:18,968
For us,
it wasn't good enough
588
00:24:19,001 --> 00:24:21,170
just to be the number one
diet soft drink.
589
00:24:21,203 --> 00:24:23,973
If we're going to put the brand
"Coke" on a diet soft drink,
590
00:24:24,006 --> 00:24:26,242
we felt that brand,
that product,
591
00:24:26,275 --> 00:24:29,078
should be number two
only to Coca-Cola.
592
00:24:29,111 --> 00:24:31,380
So from the very beginning
in 1982,
593
00:24:31,413 --> 00:24:34,250
it was always our objective
and our goal
594
00:24:34,283 --> 00:24:36,685
to make this the number two
soft drink.
595
00:24:36,719 --> 00:24:40,222
Diet Coke grew so fast
in '82 through '89,
596
00:24:40,256 --> 00:24:42,191
and when I joined the company
597
00:24:42,224 --> 00:24:44,293
it was the fastest-growing
soft drink around the world
598
00:24:44,326 --> 00:24:46,996
as we started to bring it
into other countries.
599
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:49,298
Diet Coke stepping out
600
00:24:49,331 --> 00:24:51,767
and putting
the flagship name on it
601
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,404
said this is moving into
a new time.
602
00:24:55,437 --> 00:24:57,940
It was more contemporary,
603
00:24:57,973 --> 00:24:59,775
and it gave it a face-lift.
604
00:24:59,808 --> 00:25:03,479
So Pepsi and Diet Pepsi
had some work to do.
605
00:25:03,512 --> 00:25:06,882
In 1983,
Diet Coke bumped Coca-Cola's
606
00:25:06,916 --> 00:25:09,051
total market share
by two points,
607
00:25:09,084 --> 00:25:11,921
while Pepsi's dropped
nine-tenths of a point.
608
00:25:11,954 --> 00:25:14,924
It was the first time
since the late 1970s
609
00:25:14,957 --> 00:25:17,960
that Coca-Cola was growing
faster than Pepsi.
610
00:25:17,993 --> 00:25:20,763
Whatever Coke was doing,
they were doing it to hit us,
611
00:25:20,796 --> 00:25:22,965
and whatever we were doing,
we were doing to hit them.
612
00:25:22,998 --> 00:25:25,935
Every new idea, every
strategy, every tactic,
613
00:25:25,968 --> 00:25:28,404
every package, every product,
every piece of copy
614
00:25:28,437 --> 00:25:30,306
was clearly to win,
615
00:25:30,339 --> 00:25:32,341
and the win had to be taking
share from the other guy.
616
00:25:32,374 --> 00:25:34,276
The soft drink business
617
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:37,213
was a multi-billion-dollar
industry in the 1980s.
618
00:25:37,246 --> 00:25:40,182
The stakes couldn't be higher
for Coke's new leadership,
619
00:25:40,216 --> 00:25:41,417
as they were about to face
a new adversary
620
00:25:41,450 --> 00:25:43,919
at the helm of Pepsi:
621
00:25:43,953 --> 00:25:47,790
a self-proclaimed cola warrior
named Roger Enrico.
622
00:25:47,823 --> 00:25:49,391
Roger was
an exceptionally talented
623
00:25:49,425 --> 00:25:51,860
sales and marketing executive
624
00:25:51,894 --> 00:25:53,162
who was the head of sales
and marketing
625
00:25:53,195 --> 00:25:55,331
at our company-owned
bottling plants,
626
00:25:55,364 --> 00:25:58,200
who later went on to become
the CEO of PepsiCo.
627
00:25:58,234 --> 00:26:00,469
He was only 38
when he became president.
628
00:26:00,502 --> 00:26:02,004
He took big risks.
629
00:26:02,037 --> 00:26:04,373
He was bold in his actions.
630
00:26:04,406 --> 00:26:06,875
Sometimes...
631
00:26:06,909 --> 00:26:08,811
it was almost like, really?
632
00:26:08,844 --> 00:26:10,212
Are you really going
to take a billboard
633
00:26:10,246 --> 00:26:11,914
outside of Coke
headquarters?
634
00:26:11,947 --> 00:26:14,783
I mean, he wasn't shy
about it.
635
00:26:14,817 --> 00:26:17,953
Most CEOs of major
corporations
636
00:26:17,987 --> 00:26:20,422
don't involve themselves
in the advertising.
637
00:26:20,456 --> 00:26:22,891
But when a CEO is involved
638
00:26:22,925 --> 00:26:25,160
as much as Roger was
639
00:26:25,194 --> 00:26:26,962
in the advertising product,
640
00:26:26,996 --> 00:26:29,531
it does change the dynamic
considerably.
641
00:26:29,565 --> 00:26:31,500
As Enrico came to power,
642
00:26:31,533 --> 00:26:34,069
and just such
a terrific insurgent,
643
00:26:34,103 --> 00:26:37,106
I mean, Coke's driving down
the interstate, you know,
644
00:26:37,139 --> 00:26:39,208
with their eyes fixated
on the rearview mirror,
645
00:26:39,241 --> 00:26:42,244
and every move he'd make,
they'd make a move.
646
00:26:42,278 --> 00:26:44,546
So he was really dictating
the dialogue.
647
00:26:44,580 --> 00:26:47,149
As Roger used to say,
648
00:26:47,182 --> 00:26:51,387
"A thousand small things,
even if done very well,
649
00:26:51,420 --> 00:26:54,290
"would never add up
to something big.
650
00:26:54,323 --> 00:26:57,359
"But a few big things,
if done very well,
651
00:26:57,393 --> 00:26:59,328
could change the game."
652
00:26:59,361 --> 00:27:01,463
Business is all about a lot
of very ordinary people
653
00:27:01,497 --> 00:27:03,165
who, if they're lucky,
654
00:27:03,198 --> 00:27:04,900
get a chance to do
extraordinary things.
655
00:27:04,933 --> 00:27:06,468
And it's all about people
trying to make something
656
00:27:06,502 --> 00:27:08,103
better than the other guy,
657
00:27:08,137 --> 00:27:09,571
and having a good time
while they do it.
658
00:27:09,605 --> 00:27:11,340
As a strong number two,
they were in a position
659
00:27:11,373 --> 00:27:14,176
to bring a full-frontal attack
against number one.
660
00:27:14,209 --> 00:27:15,844
And he was the guy to do it.
661
00:27:15,878 --> 00:27:17,346
With Coke riding high
662
00:27:17,379 --> 00:27:19,148
on the success of Diet Coke,
663
00:27:19,181 --> 00:27:21,050
Pepsi needed to get back
on the offensive.
664
00:27:21,083 --> 00:27:23,485
If anyone was ready
to fight Coca-Cola head-on,
665
00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:25,454
it was Roger Enrico.
666
00:27:25,487 --> 00:27:29,291
When I became president
of Pepsi two years ago,
667
00:27:29,325 --> 00:27:32,027
I thought this job
would be fun.
668
00:27:32,061 --> 00:27:33,329
But this is getting
ridiculous.
669
00:27:37,032 --> 00:27:38,500
In 1983 you were
38 years old.
670
00:27:38,534 --> 00:27:40,369
You've been with the company
about 12 years.
671
00:27:40,402 --> 00:27:42,938
You want to describe those
years since you took over
672
00:27:42,971 --> 00:27:45,407
and this whole war
has been raging?
673
00:27:45,441 --> 00:27:47,309
Well, they certainly
have been exciting years,
674
00:27:47,343 --> 00:27:48,610
there's no question
about that.
675
00:27:48,644 --> 00:27:50,546
A lot of tension
and a lot of fun.
676
00:27:50,579 --> 00:27:54,316
Roger Enrico deserves
his title of cola warrior.
677
00:27:54,350 --> 00:27:56,985
He was this constant,
"roll the dice,
678
00:27:57,019 --> 00:27:59,521
take the hill,
hit the beaches" kind of guy.
679
00:27:59,555 --> 00:28:02,658
And the nature of the beast
was Pepsi-Cola attracted people
680
00:28:02,692 --> 00:28:04,460
who were willing to do that,
you had to do that,
681
00:28:04,493 --> 00:28:05,928
or you weren't going to win
versus Coke.
682
00:28:05,961 --> 00:28:07,363
You had to be very aggressive.
683
00:28:07,396 --> 00:28:09,231
Imagery is extremely
important,
684
00:28:09,264 --> 00:28:12,668
and for us it has been
the difference
685
00:28:12,702 --> 00:28:15,604
between being an also-ran
and being a leader.
686
00:28:15,637 --> 00:28:17,940
Roger was unapologetic
687
00:28:17,973 --> 00:28:23,045
in his effort to make things
happen in big ways.
688
00:28:23,078 --> 00:28:25,547
He actually wanted to
go after the next big idea.
689
00:28:25,581 --> 00:28:27,249
He wanted to put Pepsi
on the map.
690
00:28:27,282 --> 00:28:29,118
He was a competitor,
691
00:28:29,151 --> 00:28:32,955
and he knew that
the youthful generation
692
00:28:32,988 --> 00:28:34,456
was one of the ways
to do that.
693
00:28:34,490 --> 00:28:36,558
And it was certainly
one of the best ways
694
00:28:36,592 --> 00:28:39,395
to take market share
from the leader, Coca-Cola.
695
00:28:39,428 --> 00:28:43,165
Major advertisers today who
want to speak to young people
696
00:28:43,198 --> 00:28:45,134
are looking for that image
association
697
00:28:45,167 --> 00:28:47,035
with their contemporary heroes,
698
00:28:47,069 --> 00:28:48,937
and rock stars have become
contemporary heroes,
699
00:28:48,971 --> 00:28:51,106
particularly
in the last decade.
700
00:28:51,140 --> 00:28:54,443
Jay Coleman was a colorful
New York entrepreneur
701
00:28:54,476 --> 00:28:57,680
who had figured out
that the time was right
702
00:28:57,714 --> 00:29:02,050
to merge the fast and furious
world of rock and roll
703
00:29:02,084 --> 00:29:05,521
with the more staid world
of consumer products.
704
00:29:05,554 --> 00:29:10,626
Jay Coleman's strategy
was to try and call executives
705
00:29:10,659 --> 00:29:13,228
after he thought the secretary
had left for the night.
706
00:29:13,262 --> 00:29:14,963
But that wasn't
one of my M.O.'s
707
00:29:14,997 --> 00:29:17,399
I was working
until Roger left.
708
00:29:17,433 --> 00:29:20,002
And the phone rang late,
and I picked up the phone.
709
00:29:20,035 --> 00:29:21,738
And he said,
"I want to talk to Roger
710
00:29:21,771 --> 00:29:23,472
about a potential
sponsorship."
711
00:29:23,505 --> 00:29:25,674
And I said, "With who?"
712
00:29:25,708 --> 00:29:27,677
And he said, "Well,
I'd like to speak to Roger."
713
00:29:27,710 --> 00:29:30,747
And I said, "Well, unless you
tell me who is the person..."
714
00:29:30,780 --> 00:29:33,348
And he said, "Well, have you
heard of Michael Jackson?"
715
00:29:33,382 --> 00:29:34,751
And I said, "Hold on."
716
00:29:36,786 --> 00:29:40,989
Michael Jackson was huge
in 1984, he was the coolest.
717
00:29:41,023 --> 00:29:42,591
In the past year,
Jackson has become
718
00:29:42,624 --> 00:29:44,993
one of the most successful
recording stars
719
00:29:45,027 --> 00:29:46,395
in the history
of the industry.
720
00:29:46,428 --> 00:29:48,263
He kept asking Jay,
721
00:29:48,297 --> 00:29:50,265
"How much is this going
to cost me?"
722
00:29:50,299 --> 00:29:53,335
And Jay kept giving
his pitch.
723
00:29:53,368 --> 00:29:55,037
And then he would say,
724
00:29:55,070 --> 00:29:56,405
"Jay, how much is this
going to cost me?"
725
00:29:56,438 --> 00:29:58,240
And he said, "Five million."
726
00:29:58,273 --> 00:29:59,776
And I thought Roger
was going to drop the phone.
727
00:29:59,809 --> 00:30:01,643
At that time,
728
00:30:01,678 --> 00:30:04,546
it sounded like an outrageous
amount of money
729
00:30:04,580 --> 00:30:07,784
to be paying a celebrity,
but just the idea
730
00:30:07,817 --> 00:30:11,453
and the newsworthiness
around it was tremendous.
731
00:30:11,487 --> 00:30:13,188
There were no big debates.
732
00:30:13,222 --> 00:30:14,656
We didn't go out
and do research.
733
00:30:14,691 --> 00:30:16,391
We didn't spend months
figuring out,
734
00:30:16,425 --> 00:30:18,327
"Is this a good idea
or is this a bad idea?"
735
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,163
We just did it because Roger
thought it was a good idea.
736
00:30:21,196 --> 00:30:23,165
Well, I must say, the press
conference in New York yesterday
737
00:30:23,198 --> 00:30:25,601
to announce that musical
reunion of the Jacksons
738
00:30:25,634 --> 00:30:27,402
was a media circus.
739
00:30:27,436 --> 00:30:29,438
Promoter Don King,
740
00:30:29,471 --> 00:30:31,039
better known for his boxing
shows and his hairdo,
741
00:30:31,073 --> 00:30:32,809
was the ringmaster.
742
00:30:32,842 --> 00:30:34,711
The news was that Michael
and his five brothers
743
00:30:34,744 --> 00:30:36,545
will record their first album
together in eight years
744
00:30:36,578 --> 00:30:38,614
next February, and then
they'll go on the road
745
00:30:38,647 --> 00:30:40,549
to promote it in May.
746
00:30:40,582 --> 00:30:43,285
Michael was very excited
at the press conference.
747
00:30:43,318 --> 00:30:45,587
He leaned over in
Roger's ear and said,
748
00:30:45,621 --> 00:30:48,423
"I'm going to make Coke wish
that they were Pepsi."
749
00:30:48,457 --> 00:30:51,593
The press conference
was a very big idea,
750
00:30:51,627 --> 00:30:55,063
but then the next day there
was pictures of Don King.
751
00:30:55,097 --> 00:30:57,366
You know, many pictures
of Michael Jackson.
752
00:30:57,399 --> 00:30:59,401
There were stories
about the sellers...
753
00:30:59,434 --> 00:31:01,603
not a word about Pepsi-Cola.
754
00:31:01,637 --> 00:31:03,472
Not a word.
755
00:31:03,505 --> 00:31:05,607
That was not a good day
back at Pepsi.
756
00:31:05,641 --> 00:31:08,610
So the idea we had was
757
00:31:08,644 --> 00:31:12,180
let's leak somehow,
to somebody,
758
00:31:12,214 --> 00:31:14,116
that, do you know how much
Pepsi spent?
759
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:16,451
They spent $5 million.
760
00:31:16,485 --> 00:31:18,253
Roger Enrico, president
and chief executive officer
761
00:31:18,287 --> 00:31:19,689
of Pepsi-Cola,
762
00:31:19,722 --> 00:31:21,456
he's the guy who bet
$5 million
763
00:31:21,490 --> 00:31:23,793
of his company's money,
a history-making amount,
764
00:31:23,826 --> 00:31:26,194
for a celebrity commercial
contract.
765
00:31:26,228 --> 00:31:28,330
That was the newsmaker,
766
00:31:28,363 --> 00:31:29,832
was how much money we
had paid Michael Jackson.
767
00:31:29,866 --> 00:31:32,200
It was like,
are you out of your mind?
768
00:31:32,234 --> 00:31:34,871
Of course, in the
development of the campaign,
769
00:31:34,904 --> 00:31:38,775
we had jingle writers
composing music
770
00:31:38,808 --> 00:31:42,411
that they thought
might work well in the spot.
771
00:31:42,444 --> 00:31:44,814
And Michael basically said,
772
00:31:44,847 --> 00:31:48,550
why would you want to use
some made-up music
773
00:31:48,584 --> 00:31:51,219
when you can use my music?
774
00:31:51,253 --> 00:31:52,588
We know the song
is "Billie Jean,"
775
00:31:52,621 --> 00:31:54,256
but he's not singing
"Billie Jean."
776
00:31:54,289 --> 00:31:55,457
- What are the words?
- No, he certainly isn't.
777
00:31:55,490 --> 00:31:57,259
He's singing Pepsi lyrics
778
00:31:57,292 --> 00:31:59,762
about the new
Pepsi Generation.
779
00:31:59,796 --> 00:32:02,899
And that's what powered the
two commercials that we shot.
780
00:32:02,932 --> 00:32:06,668
One on the back lot
at Universal Studios
781
00:32:06,703 --> 00:32:09,204
and, of course,
one at the Shrine Auditorium.
782
00:32:13,408 --> 00:32:15,277
The first take involved
the choreography
783
00:32:15,310 --> 00:32:17,479
that had been planned for
and agreed to,
784
00:32:17,512 --> 00:32:19,214
where his brothers came out
and started singing
785
00:32:19,247 --> 00:32:21,483
the opening lines
to the commercial.
786
00:32:21,516 --> 00:32:23,585
A curtain revealed
a staircase.
787
00:32:23,619 --> 00:32:26,321
Michael was at the top
of the staircase.
788
00:32:26,355 --> 00:32:29,859
And his choreography was that
he would come down the steps,
789
00:32:29,892 --> 00:32:31,426
join his brothers
at the microphone
790
00:32:31,460 --> 00:32:32,829
and continue
with the commercial.
791
00:32:32,862 --> 00:32:34,831
As he left each step,
792
00:32:34,864 --> 00:32:37,599
the choreography dictated
793
00:32:37,633 --> 00:32:39,368
that little explosives
took place on the steps
794
00:32:39,401 --> 00:32:40,837
that he left.
795
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:43,205
The first take went off
without a hitch.
796
00:32:43,238 --> 00:32:46,541
The final take,
Michael had been asked
797
00:32:46,575 --> 00:32:51,246
to pause just an extra beat
before dancing down the stairs.
798
00:32:52,715 --> 00:32:54,751
Oh, Michael!
799
00:32:54,784 --> 00:32:58,253
Rock star Michael Jackson was
injured tonight in Los Angeles.
800
00:32:58,286 --> 00:32:59,822
Jackson was rushed
to the hospital last night
801
00:32:59,856 --> 00:33:02,290
after a bizarre accident
set his hair on fire
802
00:33:02,324 --> 00:33:04,794
while he was filming
a television commercial.
803
00:33:04,827 --> 00:33:06,361
So the director wanted
just one more take,
804
00:33:06,395 --> 00:33:08,931
and Michael came down
those stairs.
805
00:33:08,965 --> 00:33:11,868
His hair ignited.
It was pretty bad.
806
00:33:11,901 --> 00:33:16,438
It was, how can this happen to
the greatest performer today?
807
00:33:16,471 --> 00:33:18,775
You know, he's going to burn
himself at a Pepsi commercial.
808
00:33:18,808 --> 00:33:20,409
He didn't know
he was on fire.
809
00:33:20,442 --> 00:33:21,510
He was still dancing,
you know.
810
00:33:21,543 --> 00:33:23,278
And I guess he felt it,
811
00:33:23,311 --> 00:33:25,347
and he started
patting his head.
812
00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:27,249
Seemed like he didn't know
what was happening.
813
00:33:27,282 --> 00:33:28,918
Like something was in his hair
and he started shaking it.
814
00:33:28,951 --> 00:33:30,787
And it was all blue and white.
815
00:33:30,820 --> 00:33:32,521
Girls started crying,
816
00:33:32,554 --> 00:33:34,523
and all the lights
went off immediately.
817
00:33:34,556 --> 00:33:37,694
We thought it was part
of the act that was going on.
818
00:33:37,727 --> 00:33:39,996
But actually,
it was a tragedy.
819
00:33:41,496 --> 00:33:43,465
Jackson managed a weak wave
820
00:33:43,498 --> 00:33:45,500
to his fans as he was carried
into the burn unit
821
00:33:45,534 --> 00:33:48,270
of the Brotman Medical Center
in Los Angeles last night.
822
00:33:48,303 --> 00:33:50,907
The word was out there.
He was disfigured.
823
00:33:50,940 --> 00:33:52,875
He's, you know,
never going to dance again.
824
00:33:52,909 --> 00:33:54,376
He's never going to sing again.
825
00:33:54,409 --> 00:33:55,978
His whole head
went up in flames.
826
00:33:56,012 --> 00:33:58,346
Despite the hysteria
that greeted him,
827
00:33:58,380 --> 00:34:00,415
Jackson's second-
and third-degree burns
828
00:34:00,449 --> 00:34:02,384
were not serious.
829
00:34:02,417 --> 00:34:06,388
He has a palm-sized area burn
on the back of his scalp.
830
00:34:06,421 --> 00:34:08,623
They got a lot of attention
with the hair-on-fire thing,
831
00:34:08,657 --> 00:34:10,659
because they almost killed
our greatest pop star.
832
00:34:10,693 --> 00:34:13,261
The more word
that's out there
833
00:34:13,295 --> 00:34:15,297
is the more excitement
it builds.
834
00:34:15,330 --> 00:34:17,299
Everybody wants to see what's
going on, what's going on.
835
00:34:19,468 --> 00:34:21,369
MTV presents
836
00:34:21,403 --> 00:34:24,339
another exclusive
world premiere...
837
00:34:24,372 --> 00:34:25,607
commercial?
838
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,442
MTV was hot,
839
00:34:27,476 --> 00:34:28,811
and all of a sudden
all our commercials
840
00:34:28,845 --> 00:34:30,479
are going on MTV for free.
841
00:34:34,349 --> 00:34:37,586
Oh, my gosh, I do remember
the first time
842
00:34:37,619 --> 00:34:39,889
that I saw the ads.
843
00:34:39,922 --> 00:34:42,058
I was actually
sitting at my desk.
844
00:34:42,091 --> 00:34:43,726
And I remember
thinking to myself,
845
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,527
this is going
to change everything.
846
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,563
This is going
to transform this brand.
847
00:34:48,597 --> 00:34:50,599
It's going to transform
this industry.
848
00:34:50,632 --> 00:34:51,801
This is it.
849
00:35:01,610 --> 00:35:03,612
♪ You're a whole new
generation ♪
850
00:35:03,645 --> 00:35:05,848
♪ You're dancing
through the day ♪
851
00:35:05,882 --> 00:35:09,719
♪ You're grabbing
for the magic on the run ♪
852
00:35:09,752 --> 00:35:12,021
♪ You're a whole new
generation ♪
853
00:35:12,054 --> 00:35:13,723
♪ You're loving what you do ♪
854
00:35:13,756 --> 00:35:16,358
♪ Put a Pepsi in the motion ♪
855
00:35:16,391 --> 00:35:18,593
♪ The choice
is up to you, hey ♪
856
00:35:18,627 --> 00:35:21,998
♪ You're the Pepsi generation ♪
857
00:35:22,031 --> 00:35:24,100
It was magical.
It was something that...
858
00:35:24,133 --> 00:35:28,336
I have goose bumps
just thinking about it.
859
00:35:28,370 --> 00:35:32,407
♪ And feel the Pepsi way ♪
860
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,442
♪ Taste the thrill
of the day ♪
861
00:35:34,476 --> 00:35:35,644
♪ You're the Pepsi... ♪
862
00:35:37,512 --> 00:35:39,514
It really set the stage
863
00:35:39,548 --> 00:35:42,651
for how big-time
marketing campaigns
864
00:35:42,685 --> 00:35:45,453
would be viewed and covered
and thought of,
865
00:35:45,487 --> 00:35:47,957
not only just for the branding
opportunities,
866
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:49,658
but also as an actual
news event.
867
00:35:49,692 --> 00:35:51,626
Because of Michael,
868
00:35:51,660 --> 00:35:53,763
America now looks to Pepsi
for a signal of what's new,
869
00:35:53,796 --> 00:35:55,497
what's hot
and what's contemporary.
870
00:35:55,530 --> 00:35:59,501
It was the single biggest
marketing moment
871
00:35:59,534 --> 00:36:01,804
in the history of Pepsi-Cola.
872
00:36:01,838 --> 00:36:05,473
It was a game-changing idea,
873
00:36:05,507 --> 00:36:08,744
whose ripple effects
are still being felt today.
874
00:36:08,778 --> 00:36:11,013
♪ I'm bad, I'm bad ♪
875
00:36:11,047 --> 00:36:13,515
The controversy
around Michael Jackson's
876
00:36:13,548 --> 00:36:16,518
personal life wouldn't
emerge for many years.
877
00:36:16,551 --> 00:36:18,120
In 1984, he was indisputably
878
00:36:18,154 --> 00:36:20,589
the biggest pop star
in the world.
879
00:36:20,622 --> 00:36:22,124
Pepsi's partnership with him
880
00:36:22,158 --> 00:36:24,426
would shake up
the entire industry,
881
00:36:24,459 --> 00:36:27,029
and allow the underdog cola
to push Coke's overall lead
882
00:36:27,063 --> 00:36:28,630
to under 5%.
883
00:36:33,002 --> 00:36:34,669
You know, we're a whole new generation.
A mere sliver of what it used to be.
884
00:36:34,704 --> 00:36:37,807
A generation of new rhythms,
new feelings, new styles.
885
00:36:41,677 --> 00:36:43,045
If you think about
the celebrity culture
886
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:44,579
that we live in right now,
887
00:36:44,613 --> 00:36:47,183
you can trace its roots
right back
888
00:36:47,216 --> 00:36:50,485
to that first Michael Jackson
commercial for Pepsi.
889
00:36:50,518 --> 00:36:53,890
I think that Michael Jackson
doing Pepsi commercials
890
00:36:53,923 --> 00:36:55,590
opened up to
the entertainment community
891
00:36:55,624 --> 00:36:57,960
that doing commercials
were going to be okay,
892
00:36:57,994 --> 00:36:59,195
that they were going
to be treated
893
00:36:59,228 --> 00:37:00,997
with creative respectability,
894
00:37:01,030 --> 00:37:02,932
and that in many cases,
895
00:37:02,965 --> 00:37:04,867
it would be good
for their career.
896
00:37:14,010 --> 00:37:15,644
♪ The beat of
a generation... ♪
897
00:37:15,678 --> 00:37:17,146
Lionel Richie
was the "it" man
898
00:37:17,179 --> 00:37:19,481
in the music industry.
899
00:37:19,514 --> 00:37:22,852
And so having Pepsi
kind of tied in
900
00:37:22,885 --> 00:37:24,787
with the biggest
and the best
901
00:37:24,820 --> 00:37:27,123
was always something
that we were looking for.
902
00:37:27,156 --> 00:37:29,725
It became,
in the industry,
903
00:37:29,759 --> 00:37:31,493
the crown jewel.
904
00:37:31,526 --> 00:37:34,997
Everyone wanted to go out
and to get Pepsi
905
00:37:35,031 --> 00:37:37,033
to kind of basically
endorse them.
906
00:37:37,066 --> 00:37:39,567
- ♪ The choice is mine ♪
- ♪ Satisfies me ♪
907
00:37:39,601 --> 00:37:41,103
♪ Choice is mine ♪
908
00:37:41,137 --> 00:37:43,039
Advertising is meant
to portray Pepsi
909
00:37:43,072 --> 00:37:45,640
as on the leading edge
of what's happening today,
910
00:37:45,674 --> 00:37:47,977
and we're merging the images
of these fine stars
911
00:37:48,010 --> 00:37:49,779
with the image
of our product,
912
00:37:49,812 --> 00:37:51,781
and we think it's a lot of fun
for the consumers,
913
00:37:51,814 --> 00:37:53,548
and it certainly
works for us.
914
00:37:53,581 --> 00:37:55,184
Instead of advertising
"we taste better,"
915
00:37:55,217 --> 00:37:57,687
or "we're a great brand
because..."
916
00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:01,656
Pepsi was advertising
a feeling.
917
00:38:01,691 --> 00:38:03,591
And they really tapped into
youth culture
918
00:38:03,625 --> 00:38:05,593
with the Pepsi Generation.
919
00:38:05,627 --> 00:38:08,563
The creation and the launch
of the Pepsi Generation
920
00:38:08,596 --> 00:38:12,902
was really the first
national ad campaign
921
00:38:12,935 --> 00:38:16,872
to celebrate the user
of the product
922
00:38:16,906 --> 00:38:20,608
instead of the product itself.
923
00:38:20,642 --> 00:38:22,111
♪ We're a whole new ♪
924
00:38:22,144 --> 00:38:24,246
♪ Generation ♪
925
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,514
The strategy was really
to reflect the user.
926
00:38:26,548 --> 00:38:28,150
What did the product mean
as a symbol,
927
00:38:28,184 --> 00:38:29,952
or as we call it,
a necktie?
928
00:38:29,986 --> 00:38:32,254
The expression "necktie"
came from the idea
929
00:38:32,288 --> 00:38:35,791
that a necktie
has no real purpose.
930
00:38:35,825 --> 00:38:38,593
The purpose it serves is to
reflect the person who uses it,
931
00:38:38,626 --> 00:38:40,096
which then became
the breakthrough.
932
00:38:40,129 --> 00:38:41,831
Remember that we're
talking about
933
00:38:41,864 --> 00:38:43,733
essentially two brown
sugar waters.
934
00:38:43,766 --> 00:38:48,771
So layering on a personality
onto water was a task.
935
00:38:48,804 --> 00:38:51,907
Hi, I just moved in
next door,
936
00:38:51,941 --> 00:38:54,910
and I was wondering,
could I borrow a Diet Pepsi?
937
00:38:54,944 --> 00:38:56,245
Diet Pepsi?
938
00:38:56,278 --> 00:38:58,080
Sure.
939
00:38:58,114 --> 00:38:59,982
The job of the challenger
is to say,
940
00:39:00,016 --> 00:39:01,884
"Well, you're
the establishment.
941
00:39:01,917 --> 00:39:04,552
"If you want to be young
and new and hip and vibrant,
942
00:39:04,586 --> 00:39:06,554
"you need to go against
the establishment.
943
00:39:06,588 --> 00:39:08,190
"Go against your
mom and dad's brand,
944
00:39:08,224 --> 00:39:10,793
"and go with my brand.
945
00:39:10,826 --> 00:39:12,161
I'm the teen brand.
I'm the youth brand."
946
00:39:12,194 --> 00:39:14,163
And that's exactly
what PepsiCo did.
947
00:39:14,196 --> 00:39:16,032
Do you want me
to do a spit take
948
00:39:16,065 --> 00:39:17,867
where I just am disgusted
and spit it straight at you?
949
00:39:19,667 --> 00:39:22,038
Pepsi Challenge,
take two, marker.
950
00:39:23,873 --> 00:39:25,975
Smells delicious.
951
00:39:26,008 --> 00:39:27,843
Really caramel-y.
952
00:39:27,877 --> 00:39:29,211
They both have a lot...
953
00:39:29,245 --> 00:39:31,013
different things
going for them.
954
00:39:31,047 --> 00:39:32,314
This one's sweeter.
955
00:39:32,348 --> 00:39:33,883
This one's caramelier,
sweeter.
956
00:39:33,916 --> 00:39:35,184
This one has...
957
00:39:35,217 --> 00:39:37,319
it's more exciting,
for sure.
958
00:39:37,353 --> 00:39:40,356
This one's much tamer.
959
00:39:40,389 --> 00:39:42,158
Much softer.
960
00:39:42,191 --> 00:39:43,859
A little darker
and heavier.
961
00:39:43,893 --> 00:39:45,327
I think I'm going to go
with this one.
962
00:39:45,361 --> 00:39:47,163
But I like them both.
963
00:39:47,196 --> 00:39:49,098
I do think it's Coke.
964
00:39:51,734 --> 00:39:53,369
But they're both delicious.
965
00:39:53,402 --> 00:39:56,739
I could see why people
could drink a lot of this.
966
00:39:56,772 --> 00:39:58,606
By the mid-1980s,
967
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,776
coming out of
the Michael Jackson campaign,
968
00:40:00,810 --> 00:40:02,778
Pepsi had firmly
established themselves
969
00:40:02,812 --> 00:40:05,647
as the edgier,
more youthful cola.
970
00:40:05,681 --> 00:40:07,049
But would that be enough
to topple
971
00:40:07,083 --> 00:40:09,651
the traditional,
iconic Real Thing?
972
00:40:09,685 --> 00:40:11,253
Pepsi was
the challenger brand.
973
00:40:11,287 --> 00:40:12,788
They were number two,
974
00:40:12,822 --> 00:40:15,291
and so you do things
to get attention.
975
00:40:15,324 --> 00:40:18,127
Certainly Pepsi has always
been a little more outrageous
976
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,262
in terms of some of the things
that they do.
977
00:40:20,296 --> 00:40:22,298
It's worked on occasion.
978
00:40:22,331 --> 00:40:26,702
Coke wants to be absolutely
contemporary,
979
00:40:26,735 --> 00:40:29,805
but you don't want to offend
your older consumers.
980
00:40:29,839 --> 00:40:32,341
Coke has always had to stay
more realistic.
981
00:40:32,374 --> 00:40:35,878
♪ Look out, America
see what we got ♪
982
00:40:35,911 --> 00:40:40,116
♪ We got the Real Thing ♪
983
00:40:40,149 --> 00:40:44,086
We relied on the same levers
for a long time,
984
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,156
and I think Pepsi
coming into the game
985
00:40:47,189 --> 00:40:50,292
in a more aggressive way
helped us get stronger.
986
00:40:50,326 --> 00:40:53,762
Well, you could look
at the Coke and Pepsi battle
987
00:40:53,796 --> 00:40:55,264
as professional wrestling.
988
00:40:55,297 --> 00:40:56,966
Essentially,
these guys would go up
989
00:40:56,999 --> 00:40:59,435
and beat each other up
in the arena,
990
00:40:59,468 --> 00:41:01,669
go back down to the locker
room, dust themselves off
991
00:41:01,704 --> 00:41:03,973
and divide a couple
of billion dollars,
992
00:41:04,006 --> 00:41:06,408
because they were growing the
market with that competition.
993
00:41:06,442 --> 00:41:08,210
They were creating
the market.
994
00:41:08,244 --> 00:41:10,312
That kind of competition
defines...
995
00:41:10,346 --> 00:41:11,814
well, it defines everywhere,
996
00:41:11,847 --> 00:41:13,215
but it certainly
defines America.
997
00:41:13,249 --> 00:41:14,984
Coke and Pepsi,
not satisfied
998
00:41:15,017 --> 00:41:17,086
with saturating this planet
with cola,
999
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:18,921
will now battle it out
in space.
1000
00:41:18,954 --> 00:41:20,256
After weeks
of what was described
1001
00:41:20,289 --> 00:41:22,291
as highly sensitive
negotiations,
1002
00:41:22,324 --> 00:41:24,760
NASA has agreed
to carry both colas
1003
00:41:24,793 --> 00:41:26,195
on the next space shuttle.
1004
00:41:26,228 --> 00:41:28,097
In 1985,
1005
00:41:28,130 --> 00:41:29,999
Pepsi and Coke would take
the cola wars
1006
00:41:30,032 --> 00:41:32,334
through the stratosphere,
each vying for the claim
1007
00:41:32,368 --> 00:41:35,304
of first soda in space.
1008
00:41:35,337 --> 00:41:37,273
Apparently, Pepsi had been
talking to NASA
1009
00:41:37,306 --> 00:41:39,475
about the possibility
at some point
1010
00:41:39,508 --> 00:41:42,945
of being the first to have
their soda pop in space.
1011
00:41:42,978 --> 00:41:45,814
And suddenly Coke was the one
going to space,
1012
00:41:45,848 --> 00:41:48,417
and that didn't make Pepsi
too happy.
1013
00:41:48,450 --> 00:41:50,819
We were very excited that we
were gonna be able to do this,
1014
00:41:50,853 --> 00:41:55,191
and in effect become the first
soft drink in outer space.
1015
00:41:55,224 --> 00:41:58,027
I think this is an indication
of how serious
1016
00:41:58,060 --> 00:42:00,229
both sides are taking this,
1017
00:42:00,262 --> 00:42:03,999
that they'll leave
no stone nor star unturned.
1018
00:42:04,033 --> 00:42:07,336
The challenger always thinks
he should be getting
1019
00:42:07,369 --> 00:42:09,238
what the number one
should be getting,
1020
00:42:09,271 --> 00:42:11,974
and the number one thinks, no,
I'm number one,
1021
00:42:12,007 --> 00:42:14,476
so I get to be the first one
to be tasted in space.
1022
00:42:14,510 --> 00:42:16,378
At a news conference
yesterday,
1023
00:42:16,412 --> 00:42:19,014
Coke and Pepsi
representatives squared off
1024
00:42:19,048 --> 00:42:20,816
over their much-publicized
shuttle challenge.
1025
00:42:20,849 --> 00:42:23,852
We'd enjoy the free
advertising,
1026
00:42:23,886 --> 00:42:25,821
and I'd also take it
a step further
1027
00:42:25,854 --> 00:42:28,490
and I wish they'd do
a taste test up there.
1028
00:42:28,524 --> 00:42:30,092
If they want to taste...
their tasters,
1029
00:42:30,125 --> 00:42:32,861
that's NASA's job,
I don't care.
1030
00:42:32,895 --> 00:42:34,797
We know we'll come out ahead.
1031
00:42:34,830 --> 00:42:36,799
They said that Coca-Cola's
zero-gravity container
1032
00:42:36,832 --> 00:42:39,134
worked better than Pepsi's,
but as for taste,
1033
00:42:39,168 --> 00:42:41,437
well, both soft drinks lost.
1034
00:42:41,470 --> 00:42:43,806
The reason?
No refrigeration.
1035
00:42:43,839 --> 00:42:45,808
As Commander
Gordon Fullerton said,
1036
00:42:45,841 --> 00:42:49,211
"Warm cola is not on anyone's
list of favorite things."
1037
00:42:49,245 --> 00:42:51,046
Pepsi and Coke's quest
1038
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,816
to become the first giant sip
for all mankind
1039
00:42:53,849 --> 00:42:55,184
may have ended
in a stalemate,
1040
00:43:00,155 --> 00:43:03,425
What a wonderful idea, Helen,
to serve Coca-Cola at home.
1041
00:43:03,459 --> 00:43:05,160
While Pepsi dedicated
1042
00:43:05,194 --> 00:43:06,528
tremendous resources
to their campaigns
1043
00:43:06,562 --> 00:43:08,530
with top musicians,
1044
00:43:08,564 --> 00:43:11,000
Coke had long enjoyed
an unchallenged dominance
1045
00:43:11,033 --> 00:43:12,801
on the big screen.
1046
00:43:12,835 --> 00:43:14,970
Are you okay?
1047
00:43:18,474 --> 00:43:21,110
Too much excitement, huh?
1048
00:43:21,143 --> 00:43:22,911
Want a Coke?
1049
00:43:22,945 --> 00:43:26,382
Coca-Cola as a brand
and the imagery,
1050
00:43:26,415 --> 00:43:28,584
the signage,
the vending machines,
1051
00:43:28,617 --> 00:43:31,487
the bottles have always
been a part of the movies.
1052
00:43:33,555 --> 00:43:35,924
It was marketing
in its pure form.
1053
00:43:35,958 --> 00:43:38,527
It was integrated marketing
before there was such a thing,
1054
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,964
because it was in the content,
but it was authentic
1055
00:43:41,997 --> 00:43:43,565
to the way the brand
was enjoyed.
1056
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:46,268
Riff, do you ever
stop to figure
1057
00:43:46,302 --> 00:43:47,836
how many bubbles there are
1058
00:43:47,870 --> 00:43:49,838
in one bottle
of this here soda pop?
1059
00:43:49,872 --> 00:43:51,240
They would come
to Coca-Cola.
1060
00:43:51,273 --> 00:43:52,875
We had a guy out there
who would read
1061
00:43:52,908 --> 00:43:54,977
all the scripts that were sent
to him, saying,
1062
00:43:55,010 --> 00:43:57,346
"Gee, if we had Coca-Cola here,
1063
00:43:57,379 --> 00:44:01,116
"if we had a sign here or
a cooler there in the movie,
1064
00:44:01,150 --> 00:44:03,185
that would help establish
the period."
1065
00:44:03,218 --> 00:44:05,554
So we became a part
of that pop culture,
1066
00:44:05,587 --> 00:44:07,489
which also helped
build the brand.
1067
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:17,266
Roger was on a plane
and he was watching a movie,
1068
00:44:17,299 --> 00:44:20,602
and he saw Coke in a lot
of the scenes in the movie,
1069
00:44:20,636 --> 00:44:23,872
and couldn't understand
why it was that Pepsi
1070
00:44:23,906 --> 00:44:26,241
wasn't ensconced
in that world.
1071
00:44:26,275 --> 00:44:28,877
And so he worked with a company
called Davie Brown,
1072
00:44:28,911 --> 00:44:31,213
and their effort
was really about,
1073
00:44:31,246 --> 00:44:34,316
how do we get product placement
in movies?
1074
00:44:34,350 --> 00:44:36,318
Are you going
to order something, kid?
1075
00:44:36,352 --> 00:44:38,320
All right,
give me a Pepsi Free.
1076
00:44:38,354 --> 00:44:41,156
You want a Pepsi, pal,
you're gonna pay for it.
1077
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:43,525
For Pepsi,
the big breakthrough
1078
00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:45,627
was "Back to the Future."
1079
00:44:45,661 --> 00:44:50,666
Pepsi became not just
product placement,
1080
00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:54,970
but it became almost like
a character in the film.
1081
00:44:55,003 --> 00:44:58,173
So when Michael J. Fox
was in "Back to the Future"
1082
00:44:58,207 --> 00:45:00,309
and Pepsi had all that product
placement in the movie,
1083
00:45:00,342 --> 00:45:02,144
it was a home run.
1084
00:45:02,177 --> 00:45:04,446
That movie kind of opened
everyone's eyes
1085
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,950
to a new way of promoting
the brand,
1086
00:45:07,983 --> 00:45:10,519
and also kind of chipping away
at some of the work
1087
00:45:10,552 --> 00:45:13,389
that Coke had been doing,
and probably, quite frankly,
1088
00:45:13,422 --> 00:45:15,257
taking for granted,
1089
00:45:15,290 --> 00:45:17,493
because they'd just been
doing it for so long.
1090
00:45:17,526 --> 00:45:19,461
Yeah, I think it was
a deliberate strategy
1091
00:45:19,495 --> 00:45:21,630
and a statement
about their brand.
1092
00:45:21,663 --> 00:45:24,299
But probably 90% of the films
that had drinks in them
1093
00:45:24,333 --> 00:45:27,269
had Coca-Cola that year,
so I think we were just fine.
1094
00:45:27,302 --> 00:45:29,638
Look at all the junk food.
1095
00:45:29,671 --> 00:45:31,974
Not only were the cola wars
1096
00:45:32,007 --> 00:45:33,542
being waged in major
Hollywood films,
1097
00:45:33,575 --> 00:45:36,311
eventually soda commercials
themselves
1098
00:45:36,345 --> 00:45:38,347
became mini movies.
1099
00:45:38,380 --> 00:45:40,182
We're ready to send you
back in time.
1100
00:45:40,215 --> 00:45:43,552
Now remember, you're going
back before television.
1101
00:45:43,585 --> 00:45:45,487
Even before soft drinks.
1102
00:45:45,521 --> 00:45:46,723
There was this sort of
renaissance
1103
00:45:46,756 --> 00:45:49,158
of advertising in the '80s,
1104
00:45:49,191 --> 00:45:53,730
where they started hiring
these big-name directors.
1105
00:45:53,763 --> 00:45:55,531
People like Ridley Scott.
1106
00:46:08,444 --> 00:46:11,613
I mean, "Spaceship"
was a commercial
1107
00:46:11,647 --> 00:46:14,516
that was never done before.
It was like a mini film.
1108
00:46:19,722 --> 00:46:22,759
We had commercials that they
couldn't even dream of.
1109
00:46:22,792 --> 00:46:25,494
Especially the "Archaeology"
commercial.
1110
00:46:25,527 --> 00:46:28,765
What is it?
1111
00:46:28,798 --> 00:46:31,133
I have no idea.
1112
00:46:31,166 --> 00:46:35,037
Imagine a future where not
only was Pepsi outselling Coke,
1113
00:46:35,070 --> 00:46:37,339
but Coke didn't even
exist anymore,
1114
00:46:37,372 --> 00:46:42,411
which was really much more
of a hard chop to Coke's ribs.
1115
00:46:42,444 --> 00:46:45,414
I've discovered
a real pop star.
1116
00:46:45,447 --> 00:46:48,751
Pepsi was always poking
at Coca-Cola.
1117
00:46:48,785 --> 00:46:51,553
Coca-Cola decided
the best way to respond to that
1118
00:46:51,587 --> 00:46:54,223
was to take the number three
soft drink brand, Diet Coke,
1119
00:46:54,256 --> 00:46:57,659
which was growing much faster
than Pepsi or Diet Pepsi,
1120
00:46:57,694 --> 00:47:01,296
and position our Diet Coke
business right against Pepsi,
1121
00:47:01,330 --> 00:47:04,767
and thereby separating
regular Coke from that battle.
1122
00:47:04,801 --> 00:47:07,202
And I think we did that
very, very successfully.
1123
00:47:07,236 --> 00:47:09,806
I'm just not satisfied
anymore.
1124
00:47:09,839 --> 00:47:12,107
For years, it was sweet
with a capital S.
1125
00:47:12,140 --> 00:47:14,209
But now I'm changing
more than my clothes.
1126
00:47:14,243 --> 00:47:17,212
I've discovered something
that fits my style.
1127
00:47:17,246 --> 00:47:18,480
Well, there couldn't
be a challenger
1128
00:47:18,514 --> 00:47:20,215
if there weren't a champ.
1129
00:47:20,249 --> 00:47:22,618
And I had learned
from politics
1130
00:47:22,651 --> 00:47:24,520
that when you
position yourself,
1131
00:47:24,553 --> 00:47:26,355
you should also try
to position the opposition.
1132
00:47:26,388 --> 00:47:28,423
Up until that point,
1133
00:47:28,457 --> 00:47:31,159
it was pretty rare for brands
to name their competition.
1134
00:47:31,193 --> 00:47:35,430
Coke and Pepsi pretty much
let down the guard,
1135
00:47:35,464 --> 00:47:36,665
and they no longer
were just gonna be
1136
00:47:36,699 --> 00:47:38,300
sort of dignified
with each other.
1137
00:47:38,333 --> 00:47:39,668
They were actually
going to kind of
1138
00:47:39,702 --> 00:47:41,336
go to battle
on the airwaves too.
1139
00:47:41,370 --> 00:47:43,840
We've got numbers
one and three.
1140
00:47:43,873 --> 00:47:46,508
We've got Pepsi up a tree.
1141
00:47:46,542 --> 00:47:49,244
- Sound off.
- Diet Coke.
1142
00:47:49,278 --> 00:47:51,781
- Knockoff.
- Number two.
1143
00:47:51,814 --> 00:47:53,448
The war
between Coke and Pepsi
1144
00:47:53,482 --> 00:47:55,250
was reaching a fever pitch,
1145
00:47:55,284 --> 00:47:57,486
but no one anticipated
the way one company
1146
00:47:57,519 --> 00:48:00,355
would escalate the war
in 1985,
1147
00:48:00,389 --> 00:48:02,558
shocking the world
with a game-changing strategy
1148
00:48:02,591 --> 00:48:05,762
even their own employees
never saw coming.
1149
00:48:09,598 --> 00:48:13,302
Here we go.
You ready?
1150
00:48:13,335 --> 00:48:15,470
This is really easy.
1151
00:48:15,504 --> 00:48:17,239
This is Pepsi, and this is what
I drank growing up.
1152
00:48:17,272 --> 00:48:18,808
And this is Coke.
1153
00:48:18,841 --> 00:48:22,244
I don't even have to taste
the other one.
1154
00:48:22,277 --> 00:48:23,478
♪ Open up ♪
1155
00:48:23,512 --> 00:48:25,280
♪ Look around ♪
1156
00:48:25,314 --> 00:48:27,850
♪ People's tastes
are changing ♪
1157
00:48:27,884 --> 00:48:31,219
Because of the intensity
of the advertising
1158
00:48:31,253 --> 00:48:32,689
and the marketing
and the presence,
1159
00:48:32,722 --> 00:48:35,223
it created a connection
between consumers.
1160
00:48:35,257 --> 00:48:37,694
They were stronger than you
typically find with products.
1161
00:48:37,727 --> 00:48:40,395
And so, yeah, Coke drinkers
were Coke drinkers,
1162
00:48:40,429 --> 00:48:43,332
and Pepsi drinkers
were Pepsi drinkers.
1163
00:48:43,365 --> 00:48:46,234
You were a Coke person,
and Pepsi people were bad.
1164
00:48:46,268 --> 00:48:48,403
Like, truly morally inferior.
1165
00:48:48,437 --> 00:48:49,806
And you would not
cross that line,
1166
00:48:49,839 --> 00:48:51,373
no matter how thirsty
you were.
1167
00:48:51,406 --> 00:48:53,910
I didn't know
any Coke people.
1168
00:48:53,943 --> 00:48:55,377
I didn't want to know
any Coke people.
1169
00:48:55,410 --> 00:48:57,814
They were traitors to me.
1170
00:48:57,847 --> 00:49:00,315
In fact, I'm surprised we
didn't just divide the country
1171
00:49:00,349 --> 00:49:02,484
and put our own sort of
pop wall up.
1172
00:49:02,517 --> 00:49:05,755
Coke people up there,
Pepsi people over here.
1173
00:49:05,788 --> 00:49:07,690
It felt like that.
1174
00:49:10,693 --> 00:49:12,729
So no letters on these,
I see.
1175
00:49:13,796 --> 00:49:15,564
Oh, is it?
1176
00:49:15,597 --> 00:49:18,266
Do I like X letter better
or Y better?
1177
00:49:20,602 --> 00:49:22,805
It is interesting
that once you know,
1178
00:49:22,839 --> 00:49:24,539
you can taste the differences.
1179
00:49:24,573 --> 00:49:25,842
But when you don't know,
1180
00:49:25,875 --> 00:49:28,276
it's really hard
to taste the difference.
1181
00:49:28,310 --> 00:49:31,213
Wow. Both really good.
1182
00:49:31,246 --> 00:49:32,782
I almost want to say
it's the same thing,
1183
00:49:32,815 --> 00:49:34,583
but I think that's Coke
and that's Pepsi.
1184
00:49:34,616 --> 00:49:37,519
- Coke, Pepsi.
- Now you can reveal.
1185
00:49:41,390 --> 00:49:44,626
Wow. That's interesting.
1186
00:49:44,660 --> 00:49:47,562
I just like Pepsi.
I've always liked Pepsi.
1187
00:49:47,596 --> 00:49:50,298
Used to drive 4 or 5 blocks
out of my way to get Coca-Cola.
1188
00:49:50,332 --> 00:49:55,303
What you had was carbonated,
flavored sugar water.
1189
00:49:55,337 --> 00:49:56,806
No one needed this.
1190
00:49:56,839 --> 00:49:59,842
Had Coke and Pepsi
never been invented,
1191
00:49:59,876 --> 00:50:02,712
life would have chugged along
quite well without them.
1192
00:50:02,745 --> 00:50:05,313
These were
unessential products.
1193
00:50:05,347 --> 00:50:06,949
And so consequently,
1194
00:50:06,983 --> 00:50:09,919
that genius behind
all of this
1195
00:50:09,952 --> 00:50:13,321
is that the advertising
was creating
1196
00:50:13,355 --> 00:50:15,925
emotional bonds
with consumers.
1197
00:50:15,958 --> 00:50:18,560
Oh, I wouldn't have
nothing else.
1198
00:50:18,593 --> 00:50:22,397
Coca-Cola, like I said,
it really is the best.
1199
00:50:22,431 --> 00:50:24,767
By this time you had Pepsi
fully ensconced
1200
00:50:24,801 --> 00:50:26,703
in the northeast.
1201
00:50:26,736 --> 00:50:28,805
You had Coca-Cola
from the south.
1202
00:50:28,838 --> 00:50:33,308
You had huge geographical
preferences within the brands.
1203
00:50:33,341 --> 00:50:35,878
Then you have these ads where
they're going after each other
1204
00:50:35,912 --> 00:50:37,780
in a way that really said
to consumers,
1205
00:50:37,814 --> 00:50:40,449
"You needed to pick,"
and people did pick.
1206
00:50:40,482 --> 00:50:41,718
At the peak of Coca-Cola's
1207
00:50:41,751 --> 00:50:43,452
mid-century dominance,
1208
00:50:43,485 --> 00:50:45,520
their market share
hovered around 60%
1209
00:50:45,554 --> 00:50:47,556
of total soft drink sales.
1210
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:49,458
But by 1984,
1211
00:50:49,491 --> 00:50:51,828
their share dropped
to just under 22%,
1212
00:50:51,861 --> 00:50:55,330
in large part due to Pepsi's
unrelenting insurgence.
1213
00:50:55,363 --> 00:50:57,900
For Coke,
the Pepsi Challenge
1214
00:50:57,934 --> 00:51:02,004
combined with the Michael
Jackson advertising campaign,
1215
00:51:02,038 --> 00:51:06,676
caused them to say,
"We've got to do something."
1216
00:51:06,709 --> 00:51:08,577
The sun will rise
in the west
1217
00:51:08,610 --> 00:51:12,380
and set in the east
before Pepsi outsells Coke.
1218
00:51:12,414 --> 00:51:16,986
So they went into crisis mode.
1219
00:51:17,019 --> 00:51:19,822
What do we do?
How do we fend this off?
1220
00:51:19,856 --> 00:51:22,457
The top brass
at Coca-Cola needed someone
1221
00:51:22,491 --> 00:51:25,293
with bold ideas to drastically
shake things up.
1222
00:51:25,327 --> 00:51:27,063
Marketing expert
Sergio Zyman
1223
00:51:27,096 --> 00:51:29,431
was the perfect man
for the job.
1224
00:51:29,464 --> 00:51:31,433
I don't think anybody
would invite Sergio to lunch
1225
00:51:31,466 --> 00:51:33,736
unless they wanted things
shaken up.
1226
00:51:33,770 --> 00:51:36,304
I mean, he's just...
1227
00:51:36,338 --> 00:51:38,741
"iconoclastic"
would be a euphemism.
1228
00:51:38,775 --> 00:51:42,979
Sergio Zyman was one
of those rare individuals
1229
00:51:43,012 --> 00:51:45,647
that actually served time on
both sides of the battle lines.
1230
00:51:45,681 --> 00:51:49,618
He started at Pepsi
and ended up at Coca-Cola.
1231
00:51:49,651 --> 00:51:52,955
Sergio recognized
that all the news
1232
00:51:52,989 --> 00:51:56,025
over the last five or ten years
had been about Pepsi.
1233
00:51:56,058 --> 00:52:00,428
Somehow, Coke had
to re-establish themself
1234
00:52:00,462 --> 00:52:03,099
as the leader.
1235
00:52:03,132 --> 00:52:05,701
Even since the beginning
of the Pepsi Challenge,
1236
00:52:05,735 --> 00:52:07,502
when it became clear to Coke
1237
00:52:07,536 --> 00:52:09,906
that on a sip basis
Pepsi could beat Coke,
1238
00:52:09,939 --> 00:52:12,474
there'd been word going on
among the scientists
1239
00:52:12,507 --> 00:52:14,043
and among our market
research group
1240
00:52:14,076 --> 00:52:15,978
to look for a product
that was better.
1241
00:52:16,012 --> 00:52:17,814
And they started thinking,
1242
00:52:17,847 --> 00:52:20,549
"I wonder if we should
tweak our formula?"
1243
00:52:20,582 --> 00:52:22,350
"If people are preferring
the taste of Pepsi
1244
00:52:22,384 --> 00:52:24,086
"because of the sweet profile,
1245
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,655
maybe ours needs
to be sweeter too."
1246
00:52:26,689 --> 00:52:29,759
In February of 1985,
1247
00:52:29,792 --> 00:52:33,528
Sergio Zyman called one of his
quarterly strategy meetings.
1248
00:52:33,562 --> 00:52:36,699
My boss at the time was
a fella named Tony Tortorici,
1249
00:52:36,732 --> 00:52:38,567
and for several months
he seemed to be
1250
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,669
somewhat secretive, and wasn't
sharing certain things,
1251
00:52:40,703 --> 00:52:42,138
so knew something
was going on,
1252
00:52:42,171 --> 00:52:43,840
but we didn't
know exactly what.
1253
00:52:43,873 --> 00:52:45,808
It was like taking
a blood oath.
1254
00:52:45,842 --> 00:52:50,046
This was a full-scale
top secret event.
1255
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:52,014
When we walked
into the conference room,
1256
00:52:52,048 --> 00:52:53,582
we learned we were there
to talk about
1257
00:52:53,615 --> 00:52:55,483
the launch of a new Coke.
1258
00:52:55,517 --> 00:52:58,120
I was completely
taken by surprise.
1259
00:52:58,154 --> 00:53:01,556
The idea that we needed
to change our formula
1260
00:53:01,590 --> 00:53:03,491
in order to compete
successfully
1261
00:53:03,525 --> 00:53:05,995
in the marketplace,
it was a shock.
1262
00:53:06,028 --> 00:53:07,629
But I sat there
with my mouth open.
1263
00:53:07,662 --> 00:53:09,664
I thought, "Wow."
1264
00:53:09,699 --> 00:53:12,168
The formula of Coca-Cola
was always seen as something
1265
00:53:12,201 --> 00:53:14,636
that would never change,
and it never had.
1266
00:53:14,669 --> 00:53:16,806
The need for secrecy
was great.
1267
00:53:16,839 --> 00:53:20,076
It's like being brought into
a fraternity or a sorority.
1268
00:53:20,109 --> 00:53:22,979
And you're like, wow, look at
all these high-powered guys.
1269
00:53:23,012 --> 00:53:26,048
And then they say,
"And guess what we're gonna do.
1270
00:53:26,082 --> 00:53:28,450
We're going to change
the taste of Coke."
1271
00:53:28,483 --> 00:53:30,485
You don't go, "Well,
that's the stupidest thing
1272
00:53:30,518 --> 00:53:32,454
I've ever heard of."
1273
00:53:32,487 --> 00:53:35,557
You probably just sort of
swallow your tongue and go,
1274
00:53:35,590 --> 00:53:38,460
"Oh, my God, I finally made it
in time to jump off a cliff."
1275
00:53:40,763 --> 00:53:44,066
When you're talking about
a product like Coca-Cola,
1276
00:53:44,100 --> 00:53:46,802
the idea of new packaging,
new product,
1277
00:53:46,836 --> 00:53:49,537
new point of sale materials,
distribution,
1278
00:53:49,571 --> 00:53:53,042
all being created
and kept secret,
1279
00:53:53,075 --> 00:53:55,610
it's almost too much
to ask for.
1280
00:53:55,644 --> 00:53:57,747
In April 1985,
1281
00:53:57,780 --> 00:54:00,683
Coca-Cola was finally ready
to officially launch
1282
00:54:00,716 --> 00:54:02,818
their top secret weapon,
1283
00:54:02,852 --> 00:54:06,222
hoping to put an end to the
cola wars once and for all.
1284
00:54:06,255 --> 00:54:08,057
It was an invitation.
1285
00:54:08,090 --> 00:54:10,458
It came out late
on Friday afternoon.
1286
00:54:10,492 --> 00:54:12,795
"You're invited
to New York Tuesday,
1287
00:54:12,828 --> 00:54:15,231
"when Coca-Cola will make
the most momentous announcement
1288
00:54:15,264 --> 00:54:17,565
in the history of soft drinks."
1289
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:20,468
And I just started calling
everybody I knew at Coca-Cola.
1290
00:54:20,502 --> 00:54:23,205
I got the story,
and we ran with it Saturday.
1291
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:24,907
And then, of course,
1292
00:54:24,941 --> 00:54:26,943
by Tuesday everybody
and their brother had it,
1293
00:54:26,976 --> 00:54:28,643
including Pepsi.
1294
00:54:28,678 --> 00:54:30,512
Roger received
a phone call one night
1295
00:54:30,545 --> 00:54:32,682
that there was going
to be big news,
1296
00:54:32,715 --> 00:54:34,216
and that it was going
to be something that would
1297
00:54:34,250 --> 00:54:36,218
completely, you know,
blow everyone away.
1298
00:54:36,252 --> 00:54:37,887
He called Joe and said,
"Joe, we have to get on this.
1299
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,789
We have to figure out
what this is."
1300
00:54:39,822 --> 00:54:42,858
We had started hearing
rumors about this new product.
1301
00:54:42,892 --> 00:54:45,194
Well, that was the scariest
thing I can ever remember.
1302
00:54:45,227 --> 00:54:47,562
Coca-Cola is about
to announce what it calls
1303
00:54:47,595 --> 00:54:49,732
the most significant
development in its history.
1304
00:54:49,765 --> 00:54:51,233
I was with Roger,
1305
00:54:51,267 --> 00:54:53,568
and we were all pretty much
in disbelief.
1306
00:54:53,601 --> 00:54:56,205
The most significant soft
drink marketing development
1307
00:54:56,238 --> 00:54:58,240
in the company's
100-year history.
1308
00:54:58,274 --> 00:55:00,276
And we knew Sergio
by that time was behind it.
1309
00:55:00,309 --> 00:55:01,978
He knew Pepsi very well.
1310
00:55:02,011 --> 00:55:03,813
And Roger, I'm not sure
he liked him,
1311
00:55:03,846 --> 00:55:04,981
but he had a lot of respect
for Sergio,
1312
00:55:05,014 --> 00:55:06,782
and he thought that this guy
1313
00:55:06,816 --> 00:55:09,118
might come up
with something big.
1314
00:55:14,622 --> 00:55:16,092
This morning there is
a surprising report
1315
00:55:16,125 --> 00:55:17,727
that after 100 years,
the Coca-Cola Company
1316
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,529
is going to change
its formula for Coke.
1317
00:55:21,563 --> 00:55:25,034
That's the word from the trade
journal, "Beverage Digest."
1318
00:55:25,067 --> 00:55:27,635
Coke was looking
at its shrinking lead,
1319
00:55:27,669 --> 00:55:32,008
and Coke legitimately feared
that Pepsi could creep up on it
1320
00:55:32,041 --> 00:55:34,043
and ultimately overtake it.
1321
00:55:34,076 --> 00:55:36,746
So Coke had concerns,
1322
00:55:36,779 --> 00:55:40,648
but Coke also, it was being
poked so ferociously
1323
00:55:40,683 --> 00:55:42,617
at every turn,
1324
00:55:42,650 --> 00:55:44,920
I think it felt like
they had to fight back.
1325
00:55:44,954 --> 00:55:47,757
Because we could claim
that more people preferred
1326
00:55:47,790 --> 00:55:50,226
the taste of Pepsi
versus Coke,
1327
00:55:50,259 --> 00:55:53,595
that was something that would...
that would drive them crazy.
1328
00:55:53,628 --> 00:55:55,931
No one ever wants to hear that
their product doesn't taste
1329
00:55:55,965 --> 00:56:00,136
as good as someone else's,
and so at some point,
1330
00:56:00,169 --> 00:56:01,971
that just got under their skin
1331
00:56:02,004 --> 00:56:03,773
and they wanted
to take that away.
1332
00:56:03,806 --> 00:56:04,974
And the only way
that they could do that
1333
00:56:05,007 --> 00:56:07,143
was by changing the formula.
1334
00:56:07,176 --> 00:56:08,811
Before Coca-Cola
1335
00:56:08,844 --> 00:56:10,246
even made the official
announcement
1336
00:56:10,279 --> 00:56:11,947
of its new formula,
1337
00:56:11,981 --> 00:56:13,716
Roger Enrico
and his team at Pepsi
1338
00:56:13,749 --> 00:56:17,019
were already strategizing
a mode of attack.
1339
00:56:17,053 --> 00:56:18,320
The most important thing is
1340
00:56:18,354 --> 00:56:21,090
if you're going to fight
the cola wars
1341
00:56:21,123 --> 00:56:24,126
and be first and beat Coke,
1342
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,228
you got to go 24/7.
1343
00:56:26,262 --> 00:56:27,897
You could not lose a moment.
1344
00:56:27,930 --> 00:56:29,865
We had spent the entire day
1345
00:56:29,899 --> 00:56:31,333
trying to come up
with an idea.
1346
00:56:31,367 --> 00:56:33,736
Everything sounded
so lame.
1347
00:56:33,769 --> 00:56:35,137
So when I was driving home
that night,
1348
00:56:35,171 --> 00:56:36,338
I kept thinking about it,
thinking about it
1349
00:56:36,372 --> 00:56:38,074
and thinking about it.
1350
00:56:38,107 --> 00:56:40,076
Then all of a sudden
it pops into your mind.
1351
00:56:40,109 --> 00:56:42,678
We're thinking about this
the wrong way.
1352
00:56:42,711 --> 00:56:45,613
It's not that they're
introducing a new product.
1353
00:56:45,647 --> 00:56:47,683
They're removing
the old product.
1354
00:56:47,716 --> 00:56:49,952
They just lost the cola wars.
1355
00:56:49,985 --> 00:56:52,755
My office was at the end
of the hall.
1356
00:56:52,788 --> 00:56:54,656
And Roger is not
a morning person.
1357
00:56:54,690 --> 00:56:57,659
I barely would get a grunt
good morning every morning
1358
00:56:57,693 --> 00:56:59,395
for all the years
that I worked for him.
1359
00:56:59,428 --> 00:57:01,730
He'd perk up by 10:00
in the morning.
1360
00:57:01,764 --> 00:57:03,866
But I saw him
coming towards me.
1361
00:57:03,899 --> 00:57:06,168
And there was a lightness
in his step.
1362
00:57:06,202 --> 00:57:08,370
And he came into my office,
1363
00:57:08,404 --> 00:57:10,973
and he had a little smirk.
1364
00:57:11,006 --> 00:57:14,176
And he said, "You are
not going to believe this."
1365
00:57:14,210 --> 00:57:17,246
And then this huge grin,
and he said,
1366
00:57:17,279 --> 00:57:19,315
"They're pulling Coke
off the shelves."
1367
00:57:19,348 --> 00:57:21,717
You know,
if you think about it,
1368
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:23,686
over the last 87 years
1369
00:57:23,719 --> 00:57:25,754
we've been going at it
eyeball to eyeball.
1370
00:57:25,788 --> 00:57:28,290
The other guy blinked
and changed his product.
1371
00:57:28,324 --> 00:57:32,995
It felt like we all
deserved a victory lap,
1372
00:57:33,028 --> 00:57:34,897
but I think there was
a little bit
1373
00:57:34,930 --> 00:57:36,866
of stunned silence
for a moment.
1374
00:57:36,899 --> 00:57:39,001
Like, wow, we just won
the Super Bowl?
1375
00:57:39,034 --> 00:57:40,803
That actually happened?
1376
00:57:40,836 --> 00:57:42,404
We really won.
We did it.
1377
00:57:42,438 --> 00:57:43,973
Is Coke's latest move
1378
00:57:44,006 --> 00:57:45,908
the right thing
for the Real Thing?
1379
00:57:45,941 --> 00:57:47,676
Next thing you know,
1380
00:57:47,710 --> 00:57:49,411
Roger Enrico's got the media
talking about it.
1381
00:57:49,445 --> 00:57:51,080
He's sort of controlling
the narrative.
1382
00:57:51,113 --> 00:57:52,348
He's controlling
the dialogue
1383
00:57:52,381 --> 00:57:54,783
about Coke's big launch.
1384
00:57:54,817 --> 00:57:58,020
Roger Enrico
reacted quickly,
1385
00:57:58,053 --> 00:57:59,421
running a big ad
in the "New York Times"
1386
00:57:59,455 --> 00:58:01,123
and the "Wall Street Journal,"
1387
00:58:01,157 --> 00:58:04,360
and it was great
political theater on his part.
1388
00:58:04,393 --> 00:58:06,262
I can tell you
my reaction
1389
00:58:06,295 --> 00:58:08,297
to Roger's letter
in the "Times".
1390
00:58:08,330 --> 00:58:10,332
Obviously I wasn't
happy about it,
1391
00:58:10,366 --> 00:58:13,202
because he was, in a sense,
rubbing our nose in it.
1392
00:58:13,235 --> 00:58:15,204
But just professionally
I thought
1393
00:58:15,237 --> 00:58:17,473
that's a pretty smart
P.R. move there.
1394
00:58:17,506 --> 00:58:20,843
Pepsi also, and this was
Roger Enrico, the genius,
1395
00:58:20,876 --> 00:58:24,413
gave employees
the day off to say,
1396
00:58:24,446 --> 00:58:26,849
"Hey, we won.
Take a day off."
1397
00:58:26,882 --> 00:58:28,484
It was brilliant,
1398
00:58:28,517 --> 00:58:32,021
and it put Coke immediately
on the defensive
1399
00:58:32,054 --> 00:58:34,857
and fuelled all the storylines,
1400
00:58:34,890 --> 00:58:37,793
so that by the time Coca-Cola
1401
00:58:37,826 --> 00:58:40,396
gave its
momentous announcement,
1402
00:58:40,429 --> 00:58:42,231
everybody knew what it was
1403
00:58:42,264 --> 00:58:44,733
and they had lined up
to critique it.
1404
00:58:44,767 --> 00:58:47,236
The best soft drink,
Coca-Cola,
1405
00:58:47,269 --> 00:58:50,873
is now going
to be even better.
1406
00:58:50,906 --> 00:58:53,075
Simply stated,
1407
00:58:53,108 --> 00:58:56,512
we have a new formula for Coke.
1408
00:58:56,545 --> 00:58:59,081
I don't think
that we had anticipated
1409
00:58:59,114 --> 00:59:02,952
Pepsi would respond to us
prior to the press conference.
1410
00:59:02,985 --> 00:59:06,422
And as a result, I think
the response from the press
1411
00:59:06,455 --> 00:59:08,190
was less embracing
and less enthusiastic
1412
00:59:08,224 --> 00:59:09,825
perhaps than expected.
1413
00:59:09,858 --> 00:59:11,527
And are you 100% certain
1414
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,063
that this won't bomb,
this new formula?
1415
00:59:14,096 --> 00:59:15,831
I think, as I said,
1416
00:59:15,864 --> 00:59:17,800
I think this is
the surest move ever,
1417
00:59:17,833 --> 00:59:20,369
because the consumer made it.
1418
00:59:20,402 --> 00:59:22,238
We didn't.
1419
00:59:22,271 --> 00:59:24,773
And we think there's going
to be enormous trial
1420
00:59:24,807 --> 00:59:26,208
as we roll out this product.
1421
00:59:26,242 --> 00:59:27,876
We've got such confidence
in the product.
1422
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:31,880
We know we've got a winner.
1423
00:59:31,914 --> 00:59:34,950
One of the first signs
that something was amiss
1424
00:59:34,984 --> 00:59:39,288
was this press conference
where journalists
1425
00:59:39,321 --> 00:59:42,024
were basically asking
sort of probing questions
1426
00:59:42,057 --> 00:59:43,959
about why they would do this,
1427
00:59:43,993 --> 00:59:45,394
why they would
change the brand.
1428
00:59:45,427 --> 00:59:48,063
To what extent are you
introducing this product
1429
00:59:48,097 --> 00:59:50,866
to meet the Pepsi Challenge?
1430
00:59:50,899 --> 00:59:53,202
Oh, gosh, no.
I mean, that's...
1431
00:59:53,235 --> 00:59:55,004
the Pepsi Challenge,
when did that happen?
1432
00:59:57,940 --> 01:00:00,809
That's okay for number two,
always.
1433
01:00:00,843 --> 01:00:02,845
All I know is that
I was sitting
1434
01:00:02,878 --> 01:00:04,880
smack in the middle
of the room,
1435
01:00:04,913 --> 01:00:08,984
and then the tenor in the room
actually turned.
1436
01:00:09,018 --> 01:00:11,587
And if you watch the whole
press conference,
1437
01:00:11,620 --> 01:00:15,457
you can actually
palpably feel
1438
01:00:15,491 --> 01:00:17,493
the change in the room.
1439
01:00:17,526 --> 01:00:19,928
Are you... I mean,
if we wanted Pepsi,
1440
01:00:19,962 --> 01:00:21,130
we'd buy Pepsi.
1441
01:00:21,163 --> 01:00:24,066
Honey, you're...
1442
01:00:24,099 --> 01:00:26,168
Ma'am, I can tell you
that what you're going to get
1443
01:00:26,201 --> 01:00:29,038
when you try this new product
is Coca-Cola, even better.
1444
01:00:29,071 --> 01:00:31,240
It's not even close
to Pepsi.
1445
01:00:31,273 --> 01:00:32,941
It's not close to anything
you've ever had.
1446
01:00:32,975 --> 01:00:34,543
Not at all.
Not at all.
1447
01:00:34,576 --> 01:00:37,980
- Except a Coke.
- Not at all.
1448
01:00:38,013 --> 01:00:39,915
People were asked, "Why?"
1449
01:00:39,948 --> 01:00:41,350
And the answer was,
"We've discovered something
1450
01:00:41,383 --> 01:00:43,052
"that's even better
1451
01:00:43,085 --> 01:00:45,220
than the original taste
of Coca-Cola."
1452
01:00:45,254 --> 01:00:48,957
As I recall, his response
was something on the order of,
1453
01:00:48,991 --> 01:00:51,360
"It's older and rounder."
1454
01:00:51,393 --> 01:00:53,062
To this day,
I'm not sure what he meant.
1455
01:00:53,095 --> 01:00:56,965
Well, I would say
it's smoother...
1456
01:00:56,999 --> 01:00:59,968
uh, uh...
1457
01:01:00,002 --> 01:01:01,603
rounder...
1458
01:01:01,637 --> 01:01:03,105
yet...
1459
01:01:03,138 --> 01:01:05,541
yet bolder.
1460
01:01:05,574 --> 01:01:08,210
It's a more
harmonious flavor.
1461
01:01:08,243 --> 01:01:10,179
You're a pretty good
copywriter, Roberto.
1462
01:01:10,212 --> 01:01:13,015
I mean, for us,
that was a great clip.
1463
01:01:14,516 --> 01:01:17,252
With the global reach
of Coke,
1464
01:01:17,286 --> 01:01:19,888
Pepsi was never going to be
the number one cola
1465
01:01:19,922 --> 01:01:22,658
in the entire world
forever and ever, amen.
1466
01:01:22,692 --> 01:01:26,462
But their nervousness
and their flubs
1467
01:01:26,495 --> 01:01:29,398
truly, truly was a victory
for us.
1468
01:01:29,431 --> 01:01:32,668
Coke completely misread
the situation,
1469
01:01:32,702 --> 01:01:34,903
because they had been
successful.
1470
01:01:34,937 --> 01:01:36,372
They were number one.
1471
01:01:36,405 --> 01:01:38,006
And their own
internal research
1472
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:39,541
for everything they knew,
1473
01:01:39,575 --> 01:01:41,377
this was going to be
a slam dunk.
1474
01:01:41,410 --> 01:01:42,978
They had done
all the taste tests.
1475
01:01:43,011 --> 01:01:44,546
They knew that people
preferred it.
1476
01:01:44,580 --> 01:01:47,483
They felt like
they're coming on strong,
1477
01:01:47,516 --> 01:01:50,652
they're going to squash Pepsi
for good with this.
1478
01:01:50,687 --> 01:01:53,288
So they were totally caught
off guard
1479
01:01:53,322 --> 01:01:56,458
when almost immediately
people rebelled.
1480
01:01:56,492 --> 01:02:00,262
They introduce New Coke
in April of 1985,
1481
01:02:00,295 --> 01:02:06,135
and then the next few weeks
were just a firestorm
1482
01:02:06,168 --> 01:02:09,972
when the public realized
that this was going to replace
1483
01:02:10,005 --> 01:02:12,307
the Coca-Cola that they had
known and loved
1484
01:02:12,341 --> 01:02:15,377
ratherhan be
another version of Coke
1485
01:02:15,411 --> 01:02:20,015
that was also available
in addition to regular Coke.
1486
01:02:20,048 --> 01:02:21,383
Thank you very much.
1487
01:02:21,417 --> 01:02:22,651
I'd like to invite you
to the lobby
1488
01:02:22,685 --> 01:02:25,087
to try the new taste
of Coca-Cola.
1489
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,390
- Thank you.
- Thank you.
1490
01:02:28,424 --> 01:02:31,527
A bunch of us were up
in Roger's office,
1491
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:33,395
and when we asked him,
1492
01:02:33,429 --> 01:02:36,465
"What's the number one thing
you want to achieve...
1493
01:02:36,498 --> 01:02:38,434
you want us to achieve
through all this?"
1494
01:02:38,467 --> 01:02:41,970
And he just look at us in the
eye and he said three words.
1495
01:02:42,004 --> 01:02:44,273
"Kill New Coke."
1496
01:02:44,306 --> 01:02:47,009
And when they did
that big press conference,
1497
01:02:47,042 --> 01:02:51,079
Becky Madeira, the little sly
devil that she was,
1498
01:02:51,113 --> 01:02:54,550
said, "Let's hand out free
Pepsi all over Manhattan."
1499
01:02:54,583 --> 01:02:57,419
Because they were doing their
press conference in Manhattan.
1500
01:02:57,453 --> 01:03:00,355
We wanted to be available
to get our word in.
1501
01:03:00,389 --> 01:03:03,325
There was music
and product sampling.
1502
01:03:03,358 --> 01:03:05,561
We spoke to every
single reporter
1503
01:03:05,594 --> 01:03:07,196
who we expected would attend
1504
01:03:07,229 --> 01:03:09,031
Coke's press
conference and say,
1505
01:03:09,064 --> 01:03:11,500
"Hey, please come and see us
just around the corner
1506
01:03:11,533 --> 01:03:13,770
on Columbus Circle when
you come out of their event."
1507
01:03:13,803 --> 01:03:15,705
I think Coke
has finally realized
1508
01:03:15,738 --> 01:03:17,740
what we have known for years,
1509
01:03:17,774 --> 01:03:20,342
and that's Pepsi tastes better
than Coke.
1510
01:03:20,375 --> 01:03:23,412
I think their move today is
a clear admission of that fact.
1511
01:03:23,445 --> 01:03:25,547
You know, it's quite obvious
that when something is right,
1512
01:03:25,581 --> 01:03:27,382
you don't change it.
1513
01:03:27,416 --> 01:03:29,451
What do you think
of Coca-Cola's announcement?
1514
01:03:29,485 --> 01:03:32,287
Well, we think victory
tastes very sweet.
1515
01:03:32,321 --> 01:03:33,622
We were all like,
victory is sweet.
1516
01:03:33,655 --> 01:03:35,324
This is great.
They changed the formula.
1517
01:03:35,357 --> 01:03:37,760
It was a pretty exciting time.
1518
01:03:37,794 --> 01:03:40,229
We were so focused
on the launch of New Coke,
1519
01:03:40,262 --> 01:03:42,564
we really didn't have
a lot of time to pay attention
1520
01:03:42,598 --> 01:03:44,466
to what Pepsi might or
might not do at that point.
1521
01:03:44,500 --> 01:03:47,336
Somebody out there tell me
why Coke did it.
1522
01:03:47,369 --> 01:03:49,204
Why they changed.
1523
01:03:49,238 --> 01:03:51,573
We had to respond
to Coca-Cola
1524
01:03:51,607 --> 01:03:53,242
changing their product.
1525
01:03:53,275 --> 01:03:54,744
The average time
of making a commercial
1526
01:03:54,777 --> 01:03:56,813
was a minimum
of two or three weeks.
1527
01:03:56,846 --> 01:04:00,249
We did it in 24 hours.
We wrote it, we shot it,
1528
01:04:00,282 --> 01:04:02,685
we edited it and we
distributed it in 24 hours.
1529
01:04:02,719 --> 01:04:06,321
Something that big needed
to have a response immediately,
1530
01:04:06,355 --> 01:04:08,557
or you'd lose the moment.
1531
01:04:08,590 --> 01:04:11,593
Who encouraged us to do it?
Roger.
1532
01:04:11,627 --> 01:04:15,297
So now I'm going to try
my first Pepsi.
1533
01:04:15,330 --> 01:04:18,500
But I still want to know
why Coke changed.
1534
01:04:21,704 --> 01:04:24,139
Mm.
1535
01:04:24,172 --> 01:04:26,241
Now I know why.
1536
01:04:26,275 --> 01:04:28,778
I do remember just sitting
there thinking to myself,
1537
01:04:28,811 --> 01:04:31,714
wow, when this gets released,
1538
01:04:31,748 --> 01:04:33,850
it's just adding another log
onto what I'm sure
1539
01:04:33,883 --> 01:04:36,084
is going to be
a huge bonfire.
1540
01:04:36,118 --> 01:04:39,655
Those ads really hit home
for a lot of people.
1541
01:04:39,689 --> 01:04:41,858
I mean, people were devastated.
They were really devastated,
1542
01:04:41,891 --> 01:04:43,726
which is kind of crazy,
you know,
1543
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,427
to think that people
would be so hurt
1544
01:04:45,460 --> 01:04:47,195
by a soft drink,
but they were.
1545
01:04:47,229 --> 01:04:48,530
Pepsi wasn't the only voice
1546
01:04:48,564 --> 01:04:50,599
responding loudly
to New Coke.
1547
01:04:50,632 --> 01:04:53,502
Led by the press and Pepsi's
quick response,
1548
01:04:53,535 --> 01:04:56,471
American consumers rebelled
against the new taste
1549
01:04:56,505 --> 01:04:57,807
of the Real Thing.
1550
01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:59,541
Very disappointed.
1551
01:04:59,575 --> 01:05:01,376
I think we've lost
the American tradition.
1552
01:05:01,410 --> 01:05:04,681
People were furious
in a way I couldn't comprehend.
1553
01:05:04,714 --> 01:05:08,751
People felt like their power
had been stripped from them,
1554
01:05:08,785 --> 01:05:11,320
and they needed to take it
back from corporate America.
1555
01:05:11,353 --> 01:05:13,890
Well, it's a free country,
and as Rolonda Watts reports,
1556
01:05:13,923 --> 01:05:17,727
Coca-Cola heard the voice
of the people loud and clear.
1557
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:19,561
I was a Coke lady,
but not no more.
1558
01:05:19,595 --> 01:05:20,662
Well, what kind of lady
are you now?
1559
01:05:20,697 --> 01:05:22,297
Pepsi.
1560
01:05:22,331 --> 01:05:24,266
I feel the same way
that she does.
1561
01:05:24,299 --> 01:05:28,838
I thought New Coke
was an obvious Hail Mary pass,
1562
01:05:28,871 --> 01:05:32,641
a desperate attempt
at catching up to Pepsi.
1563
01:05:32,674 --> 01:05:34,677
And as a Pepsi drinker,
1564
01:05:34,711 --> 01:05:37,613
I just laughed and said,
"That is lame."
1565
01:05:37,646 --> 01:05:40,917
My family, we toasted Pepsi
around the table and laughed.
1566
01:05:40,950 --> 01:05:42,885
Mocked New Coke.
1567
01:05:42,919 --> 01:05:45,354
- Honey, are you all right?
- I'll be fine.
1568
01:05:45,387 --> 01:05:47,757
- Is this about Arnie?
- No, Blanche.
1569
01:05:47,790 --> 01:05:51,660
She's upset because they keep
changing the taste of Coke.
1570
01:05:51,694 --> 01:05:52,829
They are going
to make Coca-Cola,
1571
01:05:52,862 --> 01:05:55,597
after 100 years,
sweeter.
1572
01:05:55,631 --> 01:05:59,201
They're going to be mixing it
with Pepsi.
1573
01:05:59,234 --> 01:06:02,404
Organizations were being
formed to protest,
1574
01:06:02,437 --> 01:06:04,774
and they're having fun too
because, you know,
1575
01:06:04,807 --> 01:06:06,676
this is not World War III.
1576
01:06:06,709 --> 01:06:09,277
Although for some people,
it seemed like it.
1577
01:06:09,311 --> 01:06:11,513
♪ Please don't
change the taste of Coke ♪
1578
01:06:11,546 --> 01:06:13,916
There was a guy
named Gay Mullins,
1579
01:06:13,950 --> 01:06:17,720
a retiree in Seattle,
who created a lobbying effort
1580
01:06:17,754 --> 01:06:20,690
on behalf of all
the disenfranchised,
1581
01:06:20,723 --> 01:06:25,427
disturbed, bewildered,
irate Coca-Cola consumers.
1582
01:06:25,460 --> 01:06:26,963
Not to be overlooked
1583
01:06:26,996 --> 01:06:28,798
are those loyal
to the old taste of Coke.
1584
01:06:28,831 --> 01:06:32,334
After 99 years,
it's a national institution,
1585
01:06:32,367 --> 01:06:33,803
and when they don't make it,
1586
01:06:33,836 --> 01:06:35,637
and then prohibit me
from getting it
1587
01:06:35,671 --> 01:06:37,506
by keeping
the secret formula,
1588
01:06:37,539 --> 01:06:39,541
then that's not American.
1589
01:06:39,574 --> 01:06:41,944
New Coke was un-American!
1590
01:06:41,978 --> 01:06:43,846
This is... hello?
1591
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:45,715
I mean, you can imagine
if aliens came down
1592
01:06:45,748 --> 01:06:47,382
and they looked at this
and they said,
1593
01:06:47,416 --> 01:06:50,318
"Are you people crazy?
What is this all about?"
1594
01:06:50,352 --> 01:06:52,454
A coalition of cola addicts
threatened to boycott
1595
01:06:52,487 --> 01:06:54,389
all Coke products,
1596
01:06:54,423 --> 01:06:56,759
from movies to Minute Maid
orange juice.
1597
01:06:56,793 --> 01:06:58,427
Why are you upset about it?
1598
01:06:58,460 --> 01:07:00,629
Because I'm 46 years old
1599
01:07:00,662 --> 01:07:02,765
and I bought my first Coke
with a nickel
1600
01:07:02,799 --> 01:07:05,001
when I was five years old.
1601
01:07:05,034 --> 01:07:07,837
I helped build this
multinational corporation.
1602
01:07:07,870 --> 01:07:09,739
My oldest daughter is 22.
1603
01:07:09,772 --> 01:07:11,540
Her first word was "Coke."
1604
01:07:11,573 --> 01:07:13,843
Her second word was "Mommy".
1605
01:07:13,876 --> 01:07:16,445
They're crying.
1606
01:07:16,478 --> 01:07:19,381
They're crying.
1607
01:07:19,414 --> 01:07:21,283
You're going to give us
a new taste of Coca-Cola?
1608
01:07:21,316 --> 01:07:22,551
Oh, my God!
1609
01:07:22,584 --> 01:07:25,955
How could you do that?
1610
01:07:25,988 --> 01:07:31,326
I don't even think that
the most zealous Coke drinker
1611
01:07:31,359 --> 01:07:33,896
really was making
a rational decision.
1612
01:07:33,930 --> 01:07:36,799
I think they were jut upset
and carried away
1613
01:07:36,833 --> 01:07:41,738
with the idea that you've
changed an icon of America,
1614
01:07:41,771 --> 01:07:43,572
and that's wrong.
1615
01:07:43,605 --> 01:07:45,640
Can people really
taste a difference?
1616
01:07:45,674 --> 01:07:48,443
Certainly the head of the old
cola drinkers group
1617
01:07:48,477 --> 01:07:51,580
and the man who's invested
$50,000 of his own money
1618
01:07:51,613 --> 01:07:53,716
to fight New Coke,
1619
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:55,752
certainly he could tell
the difference.
1620
01:07:55,785 --> 01:08:00,957
That's probably Pepsi,
New Coke and old Coke.
1621
01:08:00,990 --> 01:08:03,960
The one you liked
is the Pepsi.
1622
01:08:04,961 --> 01:08:07,429
Well...
1623
01:08:07,462 --> 01:08:08,998
The whole thing
was ridiculous.
1624
01:08:09,031 --> 01:08:11,566
I mean, you could only
have a moment like that
1625
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:13,770
in a time where you have
mass media
1626
01:08:13,803 --> 01:08:16,304
and prosperity
in your culture,
1627
01:08:16,338 --> 01:08:18,708
because people had nothing
better to do
1628
01:08:18,741 --> 01:08:21,309
than to be
absolutely outraged,
1629
01:08:21,343 --> 01:08:23,378
ready to, like,
take to the streets
1630
01:08:23,411 --> 01:08:26,348
because you have changed
the formula of Coke.
1631
01:08:26,381 --> 01:08:30,552
The amount of bad publicity
1632
01:08:30,585 --> 01:08:34,589
that came around
changing a brand
1633
01:08:34,623 --> 01:08:36,591
that was America's brand,
1634
01:08:36,625 --> 01:08:41,496
it just seemed ridiculous to,
I think, so many people.
1635
01:08:41,530 --> 01:08:44,066
And the door was open,
and we just walked through.
1636
01:08:44,100 --> 01:08:46,836
You don't have to be
a marketing genius
1637
01:08:46,869 --> 01:08:50,338
to see the opportunity for
the Pepsi enterprise in that.
1638
01:08:50,372 --> 01:08:52,340
This is going to be fun.
1639
01:08:56,078 --> 01:08:57,747
It's been about
two months now
1640
01:08:57,780 --> 01:08:59,048
since we were first introduced
to the New Coke,
1641
01:08:59,081 --> 01:09:00,783
and all across the nation,
1642
01:09:00,817 --> 01:09:02,718
the reaction is still
at a fevered pitch.
1643
01:09:02,752 --> 01:09:04,086
Here is a sample
1644
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,789
from the thirsty streets
of New York City.
1645
01:09:06,823 --> 01:09:08,891
I can't believe
what they've done to it.
1646
01:09:08,925 --> 01:09:11,093
The old Coke was terrific.
1647
01:09:11,127 --> 01:09:14,563
I hate it. It tastes like
watered-down Coca-Cola.
1648
01:09:14,596 --> 01:09:16,598
The top brass at Coca-Cola
1649
01:09:16,631 --> 01:09:19,568
hoped the initial outrage
over New Coke would subside,
1650
01:09:19,601 --> 01:09:22,071
but Coke sales were
dramatically dropping,
1651
01:09:22,104 --> 01:09:25,107
by as much as 10%
in some states.
1652
01:09:25,141 --> 01:09:27,509
They should go back
to the way it was before.
1653
01:09:27,542 --> 01:09:30,512
I recall that summer
moving through airports.
1654
01:09:30,545 --> 01:09:32,547
And I had...
all the luggage tags
1655
01:09:32,581 --> 01:09:34,416
were Coca-Cola branded
luggage tags.
1656
01:09:34,449 --> 01:09:35,918
I took the luggage tags
off my luggage,
1657
01:09:35,952 --> 01:09:38,754
because I was accosted
in airports by people
1658
01:09:38,788 --> 01:09:40,957
asking me for their Coke back,
and who did we think we were,
1659
01:09:40,990 --> 01:09:42,792
and what did we think
we were doing?
1660
01:09:42,825 --> 01:09:45,027
The reaction was just
so visceral.
1661
01:09:45,061 --> 01:09:46,561
What's the matter, Wilbur?
1662
01:09:46,595 --> 01:09:49,131
They changed my Coke.
1663
01:09:49,165 --> 01:09:50,565
- Could have asked.
- I could have.
1664
01:09:50,599 --> 01:09:52,434
I stuck with them
through three wars
1665
01:09:52,467 --> 01:09:54,469
and a couple of dust storms,
but this is too much.
1666
01:09:54,502 --> 01:09:57,173
I guess something big
made them change.
1667
01:09:57,206 --> 01:09:59,041
Right big.
1668
01:09:59,075 --> 01:10:03,145
Coke's problem with
the whole New Coke episode...
1669
01:10:03,179 --> 01:10:05,413
calling it an episode
being charitable
1670
01:10:05,447 --> 01:10:08,084
rather than a fiasco,
1671
01:10:08,117 --> 01:10:09,785
it was not one of product.
1672
01:10:09,819 --> 01:10:12,755
They never asked
the consumers,
1673
01:10:12,788 --> 01:10:14,824
"Okay, you like our taste.
1674
01:10:14,857 --> 01:10:17,093
"You like the taste
of this new cola beverage.
1675
01:10:17,126 --> 01:10:19,028
"What about if
we bring this to market
1676
01:10:19,061 --> 01:10:21,130
"and we get rid
of original Coke?
1677
01:10:21,163 --> 01:10:22,899
How would you feel
about that?"
1678
01:10:22,932 --> 01:10:24,834
Had they asked that question,
1679
01:10:24,867 --> 01:10:26,601
maybe they would have had
seconds thoughts
1680
01:10:26,635 --> 01:10:28,503
about releasing New Coke.
1681
01:10:28,536 --> 01:10:31,573
Well, everyone was paranoid
about secrecy.
1682
01:10:31,606 --> 01:10:34,210
But because it was behind
closed doors
1683
01:10:34,243 --> 01:10:36,746
in an isolated chamber,
1684
01:10:36,779 --> 01:10:39,148
it also kept the daylight out
and we didn't...
1685
01:10:39,181 --> 01:10:42,151
you know, we couldn't test it
as a branded product.
1686
01:10:42,184 --> 01:10:44,754
We couldn't test the idea
of a New Coke.
1687
01:10:44,787 --> 01:10:46,621
I think it could
safely be said
1688
01:10:46,655 --> 01:10:49,191
that they truly
underestimated the romance
1689
01:10:49,225 --> 01:10:52,228
that the American people have
had with Coca-Cola,
1690
01:10:52,261 --> 01:10:54,063
the drink which is really
more than a drink
1691
01:10:54,096 --> 01:10:57,833
and more than a taste.
1692
01:10:57,867 --> 01:10:59,201
You are stuck with an icon.
1693
01:10:59,235 --> 01:11:02,738
Oh, my gosh.
Gee.
1694
01:11:02,772 --> 01:11:04,774
You can give us
big bottles of Coke,
1695
01:11:04,807 --> 01:11:06,142
you can give us little
bottles of Coke,
1696
01:11:06,175 --> 01:11:09,211
but you can't change
the taste.
1697
01:11:09,245 --> 01:11:11,479
For millions of us,
changing the taste of Coke
1698
01:11:11,513 --> 01:11:14,183
is like tampering
with our own past.
1699
01:11:14,216 --> 01:11:17,086
The only people who were more
into hating New Coke
1700
01:11:17,119 --> 01:11:20,488
than Coke drinkers
were people on the news.
1701
01:11:20,522 --> 01:11:22,657
I don't know why they were
so excited to report on this.
1702
01:11:22,692 --> 01:11:25,194
Was it, in fact, the slowest
news week in history
1703
01:11:25,227 --> 01:11:26,796
when New Coke was launched?
1704
01:11:26,829 --> 01:11:28,831
Because that's all
people talked about.
1705
01:11:28,864 --> 01:11:30,967
It was great sort of
commercial corporate theater,
1706
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,501
but it also was
that slap in the face
1707
01:11:33,535 --> 01:11:36,105
that made Coke recognize,
now it's our move.
1708
01:11:36,138 --> 01:11:37,639
Now what do we do?
1709
01:11:37,672 --> 01:11:40,076
Given the visceral reaction
1710
01:11:40,109 --> 01:11:42,979
in the marketplace
from the American consumer,
1711
01:11:43,012 --> 01:11:45,647
people began to talk
a little bit about, you know,
1712
01:11:45,681 --> 01:11:47,183
was New Coke really
going to be the success
1713
01:11:47,216 --> 01:11:48,918
we'd hoped it would be?
1714
01:11:48,951 --> 01:11:51,287
And should we reconsider
our decision?
1715
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:54,090
Brian Dyson and Sergio Zyman
1716
01:11:54,123 --> 01:11:56,092
believed strongly that
it was just a matter of time,
1717
01:11:56,125 --> 01:11:58,027
all this hubbub would die down.
1718
01:11:58,060 --> 01:11:59,829
New Coke was the future.
1719
01:11:59,862 --> 01:12:02,564
But as the calls and letters
kept coming,
1720
01:12:02,597 --> 01:12:04,767
as the uproar kept rising,
1721
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:08,104
eventually it began
to affect our sales.
1722
01:12:08,137 --> 01:12:11,240
I think we really had to
learn to listen more carefully
1723
01:12:11,273 --> 01:12:14,710
to what people are saying
and needing
1724
01:12:14,744 --> 01:12:16,245
and wanting to enjoy
about our brands,
1725
01:12:16,278 --> 01:12:18,214
versus what we would like
to have them do.
1726
01:12:18,247 --> 01:12:20,249
From ABC,
1727
01:12:20,282 --> 01:12:23,019
this is "World News Tonight
with Peter Jennings."
1728
01:12:23,052 --> 01:12:25,254
Good evening, there is likely
no other country in the world
1729
01:12:25,287 --> 01:12:27,023
where an evening broadcast
such as this
1730
01:12:27,056 --> 01:12:29,025
would begin with the news
that a popular soft drink
1731
01:12:29,058 --> 01:12:31,827
was going to re-introduce
its original formula.
1732
01:12:31,861 --> 01:12:33,295
But this is America,
1733
01:12:33,329 --> 01:12:35,931
and Coca-Cola
is part of Americana.
1734
01:12:35,965 --> 01:12:37,565
Tomorrow, the Coca-Cola
Company will announce,
1735
01:12:37,599 --> 01:12:39,201
with appropriate fanfare,
1736
01:12:39,235 --> 01:12:42,171
that they are bringing
a new soft drink to market.
1737
01:12:42,204 --> 01:12:43,939
Old Coke.
1738
01:12:43,973 --> 01:12:45,607
Only now, it will be called
Classic Coke,
1739
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,744
and the New Coke will now be
called just Coke.
1740
01:12:48,778 --> 01:12:51,313
We began to talk about it
as a political analogy.
1741
01:12:51,347 --> 01:12:54,950
We said, "What if
we recognize the mistake?"
1742
01:12:54,984 --> 01:12:59,587
What if we say
we did the wrong thing?
1743
01:12:59,621 --> 01:13:02,158
Unthinkable for
a corporation to do that.
1744
01:13:02,191 --> 01:13:04,794
But what on earth brought us
to the decision
1745
01:13:04,827 --> 01:13:10,232
to bring back the classic taste
which we so calmly abandoned
1746
01:13:10,266 --> 01:13:12,667
back in April?
1747
01:13:12,701 --> 01:13:15,171
It was just a remarkable
press conference,
1748
01:13:15,204 --> 01:13:19,008
where the COO of Coca-Cola
stood behind a podium
1749
01:13:19,041 --> 01:13:21,677
and basically
trolled himself.
1750
01:13:21,710 --> 01:13:25,247
Trolled the company
with letters from consumers.
1751
01:13:25,281 --> 01:13:29,318
Here's one that starts,
"Dear Chief Dodo."
1752
01:13:29,351 --> 01:13:31,353
Well, I passed that along
to Roberto unopened.
1753
01:13:33,756 --> 01:13:37,159
"Changing like Coke is like
God making the grass purple,
1754
01:13:37,193 --> 01:13:41,063
or putting toes on our ears,
or teeth on our knees."
1755
01:13:41,097 --> 01:13:43,799
And here's one.
"Dear Sir, you have fouled up
1756
01:13:43,833 --> 01:13:47,069
by changing the only
perfect thing in the world."
1757
01:13:47,103 --> 01:13:49,371
What the company learned
was that, in a way,
1758
01:13:49,405 --> 01:13:50,840
we didn't own the brand.
1759
01:13:50,873 --> 01:13:53,008
The consumer
owned the brand.
1760
01:13:53,042 --> 01:13:55,344
Some critics will say
1761
01:13:55,377 --> 01:13:58,814
Coca-Cola has made
a marketing mistake.
1762
01:13:58,848 --> 01:14:04,320
And some cynics say that
we planned the whole thing.
1763
01:14:05,955 --> 01:14:08,791
The truth is,
we're not that dumb
1764
01:14:08,824 --> 01:14:11,794
and we're not that smart.
1765
01:14:11,827 --> 01:14:13,329
There was a theory
at the time
1766
01:14:13,362 --> 01:14:15,798
that Coke had purposely
done this.
1767
01:14:15,831 --> 01:14:17,032
If you look at
the reality of it,
1768
01:14:17,066 --> 01:14:18,701
it's absurd on the face.
1769
01:14:18,734 --> 01:14:20,668
That's how into this
people were,
1770
01:14:20,703 --> 01:14:22,171
that they were inventing
a conspiracy.
1771
01:14:22,204 --> 01:14:23,671
Because it made no sense.
1772
01:14:23,706 --> 01:14:26,142
They spent
billions of dollars
1773
01:14:26,175 --> 01:14:28,344
to take old Coke
off the market.
1774
01:14:28,377 --> 01:14:31,447
They spent billions of dollars
to put New Coke on the market,
1775
01:14:31,480 --> 01:14:33,315
only to take it
off the market
1776
01:14:33,349 --> 01:14:35,217
to spend billions of dollars
1777
01:14:35,251 --> 01:14:37,720
to put old Coke
back on the market.
1778
01:14:37,753 --> 01:14:39,054
If that's a smart idea,
1779
01:14:39,088 --> 01:14:41,090
then I don't know
what smart means.
1780
01:14:41,123 --> 01:14:42,858
They're both yours,
1781
01:14:42,892 --> 01:14:45,227
the new taste of Coke
and Coca-Cola Classic.
1782
01:14:45,261 --> 01:14:47,296
Your right of choice is back.
1783
01:14:47,329 --> 01:14:51,066
Then they tried to market
two products side by side:
1784
01:14:51,100 --> 01:14:53,435
Classic Coke and New Coke.
1785
01:14:53,469 --> 01:14:55,738
And that was just not
a winning idea.
1786
01:14:55,771 --> 01:14:57,840
We had an awful lot
of fun with it.
1787
01:14:57,873 --> 01:15:00,209
The slogan of the day was
"Coke are it."
1788
01:15:00,242 --> 01:15:02,444
And that was coined by none
other than the Pepsi chairman,
1789
01:15:02,478 --> 01:15:04,180
Roger Enrico.
1790
01:15:04,213 --> 01:15:06,215
Pepsi's attack on New Coke
1791
01:15:06,248 --> 01:15:09,385
was hugely successful,
but Coke Classic would prove
1792
01:15:09,418 --> 01:15:11,053
to be tougher competition
than expected.
1793
01:15:15,457 --> 01:15:16,859
In the first ten hours after the Coke
announcement Despite Pepsi's confidence,
1794
01:15:16,892 --> 01:15:18,394
that it was reviving
the old Coke,
1795
01:15:18,427 --> 01:15:20,362
the company received
18,000 phone calls,
1796
01:15:20,396 --> 01:15:22,731
most of them
expressing thanks.
1797
01:15:22,765 --> 01:15:24,967
So Coke has obviously
done something right there.
1798
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,737
New Coke was a success
in terms of two things.
1799
01:15:28,771 --> 01:15:32,141
The company rediscovered the
fact that the consumer said,
1800
01:15:32,174 --> 01:15:34,109
"Hey, this is mine.
Don't mess with it."
1801
01:15:34,143 --> 01:15:37,479
And also, we had lapsed
consumers who said,
1802
01:15:37,513 --> 01:15:39,815
"Well, we ought
to demonstrate, literally,
1803
01:15:39,848 --> 01:15:41,483
by going back
and drinking Coke again."
1804
01:15:41,517 --> 01:15:44,119
So, you know,
the data will show it.
1805
01:15:44,153 --> 01:15:45,955
There was an uptick in sales.
1806
01:15:45,988 --> 01:15:47,890
In one of the most dramatic
1807
01:15:47,923 --> 01:15:50,392
comeback stories
in consumer history,
1808
01:15:50,426 --> 01:15:53,062
Coke Classic would go on
to outsell New Coke
1809
01:15:53,095 --> 01:15:55,297
by 10 to 1 within a year,
1810
01:15:55,331 --> 01:15:57,533
driving overall
Coca-Cola shares
1811
01:15:57,566 --> 01:16:00,402
to unprecedented heights.
1812
01:16:00,436 --> 01:16:02,871
I think the introduction
of Coke Classic
1813
01:16:02,905 --> 01:16:06,175
was the first step
in redemption for Coke
1814
01:16:06,208 --> 01:16:09,245
in saying, "We messed up,
we found our soul,
1815
01:16:09,278 --> 01:16:11,380
we've been through therapy,"
1816
01:16:11,413 --> 01:16:15,050
and on some subconscious level,
it got me to drink Diet Coke.
1817
01:16:15,084 --> 01:16:17,119
I haven't had a Pepsi since.
1818
01:16:17,152 --> 01:16:20,122
Your president of Coca-Cola
U.S.A. gave a speech,
1819
01:16:20,155 --> 01:16:22,925
and he's talking about
intrinsics and extrinsics.
1820
01:16:22,958 --> 01:16:24,927
Intrinsics means
I buy the product
1821
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:27,329
because I like the way
it tastes, or whatever.
1822
01:16:27,363 --> 01:16:29,231
Extrinsics are,
I buy the product
1823
01:16:29,265 --> 01:16:31,567
because I like the image,
it's fun, it's friendly,
1824
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,035
it's American, whatever.
1825
01:16:33,068 --> 01:16:35,104
Used to be
we bought product
1826
01:16:35,137 --> 01:16:36,972
primarily because of taste.
1827
01:16:37,006 --> 01:16:38,407
It's been a phenomenal thing
that's happened.
1828
01:16:38,440 --> 01:16:40,042
A phenomenal shift.
1829
01:16:40,075 --> 01:16:42,144
We now buy soft drinks
for an image.
1830
01:16:42,177 --> 01:16:45,281
Your image, never mind
the bad old days last summer,
1831
01:16:45,314 --> 01:16:48,817
is stronger than ever,
symbolic of America.
1832
01:16:48,851 --> 01:16:50,252
How have you done this?
1833
01:16:50,286 --> 01:16:52,554
I don't like to be
immodest about it,
1834
01:16:52,588 --> 01:16:55,357
but the simple fact is
that the image of Coca-Cola
1835
01:16:55,391 --> 01:16:57,092
has never been higher.
1836
01:16:57,126 --> 01:16:59,995
The numbers we're seeing
are just remarkable.
1837
01:17:00,029 --> 01:17:03,599
It was not just
an emotional reaction.
1838
01:17:03,632 --> 01:17:07,102
It was four positive
share points for Coca-Cola
1839
01:17:07,136 --> 01:17:09,371
at about $500 million
a share point.
1840
01:17:09,405 --> 01:17:12,141
In other words,
people came back to Coke,
1841
01:17:12,174 --> 01:17:15,077
and they felt almost
an obligation to do so,
1842
01:17:15,110 --> 01:17:17,613
having demanded that Coke
bring back Classic.
1843
01:17:17,646 --> 01:17:20,215
♪ You might find magic ♪
1844
01:17:20,249 --> 01:17:22,484
♪ In a Coca-Cola Classic ♪
1845
01:17:22,518 --> 01:17:25,087
By the time Classic Coke
came back,
1846
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:30,025
they changed the patina of this
old never-changing stodgy Coke
1847
01:17:30,059 --> 01:17:31,960
that took away
the damage we had.
1848
01:17:31,994 --> 01:17:34,096
It took away the fact
that they were unchanging.
1849
01:17:34,129 --> 01:17:37,866
♪ Feeling you get
from a Coca-Cola Classic ♪
1850
01:17:37,900 --> 01:17:41,036
♪ Can't beat the feeling ♪
1851
01:17:41,070 --> 01:17:43,472
Really smart marketers know
1852
01:17:43,505 --> 01:17:45,908
that at some point,
you have to take risks.
1853
01:17:45,941 --> 01:17:49,078
If you don't take risks,
you stagnate.
1854
01:17:49,111 --> 01:17:52,581
And this was an example
of Coke taking a risk.
1855
01:17:52,614 --> 01:17:55,017
And they ended up
with an outcome
1856
01:17:55,050 --> 01:17:57,986
that was probably beyond
their wildest expectations.
1857
01:17:58,020 --> 01:18:00,456
All of that fuss,
and front-page coverage,
1858
01:18:00,489 --> 01:18:04,360
and leading off the evening
news with this kind of activity
1859
01:18:04,393 --> 01:18:06,462
makes it top of mind.
1860
01:18:06,495 --> 01:18:09,131
In retrospect, there's been
a lot of marketing disasters.
1861
01:18:09,164 --> 01:18:12,101
That one really stands out
as perhaps the worst.
1862
01:18:12,134 --> 01:18:14,136
But like with so many things
in history,
1863
01:18:14,169 --> 01:18:16,472
there's now
a revisionist history,
1864
01:18:16,505 --> 01:18:18,640
the Coke point of view,
which is,
1865
01:18:18,674 --> 01:18:21,009
hey, we were sort of a brand
1866
01:18:21,043 --> 01:18:24,580
that was losing
name recognition,
1867
01:18:24,613 --> 01:18:28,083
and suddenly New Coke
put us on the map.
1868
01:18:28,117 --> 01:18:31,353
Suddenly, everybody
was talking about Coke.
1869
01:18:31,387 --> 01:18:33,255
♪ Can't beat it ♪
1870
01:18:33,288 --> 01:18:35,257
♪ Can't beat the Real Thing ♪
1871
01:18:35,290 --> 01:18:37,259
As you look back,
it's been said
1872
01:18:37,292 --> 01:18:39,161
that we got a hole in one
1873
01:18:39,194 --> 01:18:40,996
even though we hit the tree
with the golf ball.
1874
01:18:41,029 --> 01:18:44,266
So that kind of happened.
1875
01:18:44,299 --> 01:18:46,201
The cola wars
are still bubbling.
1876
01:18:46,235 --> 01:18:47,536
It was five years ago today
1877
01:18:47,569 --> 01:18:49,538
that Coca-Cola introduced
New Coke.
1878
01:18:49,571 --> 01:18:51,206
The battle
between Coke and Pepsi
1879
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:54,677
reached its peak
during the summer of 1985,
1880
01:18:54,711 --> 01:18:57,212
but the company rivalry
will always remain,
1881
01:18:57,246 --> 01:18:59,381
evolving along
with consumer culture.
1882
01:18:59,415 --> 01:19:01,216
I think the 1980s,
1883
01:19:01,250 --> 01:19:03,018
particularly the last
five years of the '80s,
1884
01:19:03,051 --> 01:19:05,187
was representative
of two things.
1885
01:19:05,220 --> 01:19:08,424
It was, in effect, the
beginning of a closing chapter
1886
01:19:08,457 --> 01:19:12,494
of an era of mass consumption
and mass media.
1887
01:19:12,528 --> 01:19:15,631
We live in a world now
where it's very hard
1888
01:19:15,664 --> 01:19:20,402
to have that mass experience
where we all come together
1889
01:19:20,436 --> 01:19:22,304
and we're all talking about
the same thing,
1890
01:19:22,337 --> 01:19:26,275
and we're all drinking
or eating the same thing.
1891
01:19:26,308 --> 01:19:28,745
Now, good lord,
you go in the supermarket,
1892
01:19:28,778 --> 01:19:32,214
I mean, it's like, okay...
1893
01:19:32,247 --> 01:19:34,483
how does anybody
make a choice here?
1894
01:19:34,516 --> 01:19:36,418
Really in
the last 20 years,
1895
01:19:36,452 --> 01:19:39,555
we've seen a change in the way
that we consume drinks.
1896
01:19:39,588 --> 01:19:42,424
There's been increasing
recognition
1897
01:19:42,458 --> 01:19:44,560
of the health dangers of soda,
1898
01:19:44,593 --> 01:19:48,263
particularly full-fledged
all-sugar sodas.
1899
01:19:48,297 --> 01:19:50,466
Former President Clinton
is speaking out
1900
01:19:50,499 --> 01:19:52,301
about his mission
to end childhood obesity,
1901
01:19:52,334 --> 01:19:54,136
and the plan to eliminate
1902
01:19:54,169 --> 01:19:55,772
sugary soft drinks
from schools.
1903
01:19:55,805 --> 01:19:58,708
I think that back in 1980,
1904
01:19:58,741 --> 01:20:02,277
you would drink a full-sugared
cola with no problem.
1905
01:20:02,311 --> 01:20:04,446
Who does that today?
Very few people.
1906
01:20:04,480 --> 01:20:06,448
Everybody's
so health-conscious.
1907
01:20:06,482 --> 01:20:09,719
So I think that it's just
a different culture now.
1908
01:20:09,752 --> 01:20:11,553
Today's Coke and Pepsi
1909
01:20:11,587 --> 01:20:14,089
serve every consumer niche
imaginable,
1910
01:20:14,122 --> 01:20:17,659
scoring both hits and misses
for the brands.
1911
01:20:17,694 --> 01:20:20,028
As tastes evolved,
both Coke and Pepsi
1912
01:20:20,062 --> 01:20:21,597
diversified their offerings,
1913
01:20:21,630 --> 01:20:23,565
going way beyond soda
1914
01:20:23,599 --> 01:20:26,468
to extend the fight
to any and all beverages.
1915
01:20:26,502 --> 01:20:29,505
Whatever you drink, they're
going to own eventually.
1916
01:20:29,538 --> 01:20:32,107
Any form of matter
that is liquid,
1917
01:20:32,140 --> 01:20:34,711
Coke or Pepsi
will eventually own.
1918
01:20:34,744 --> 01:20:37,546
In fact, we'll probably be
putting Pepsi in our gas tanks.
1919
01:20:37,579 --> 01:20:41,450
Does the rivalry between
the Coca-Cola Company
1920
01:20:41,483 --> 01:20:43,318
and PepsiCo still exist?
1921
01:20:43,352 --> 01:20:44,721
Oh, yeah, without a doubt.
1922
01:20:44,754 --> 01:20:47,757
The rivalry
isn't just focused
1923
01:20:47,790 --> 01:20:51,126
on Coke and Pepsi,
the cola drinks.
1924
01:20:51,159 --> 01:20:53,629
It's just, is it still
the cola wars?
1925
01:20:53,662 --> 01:20:55,564
That is the question.
1926
01:20:55,597 --> 01:20:59,334
And it's an open question
as far as I'm concerned.
1927
01:20:59,368 --> 01:21:00,669
What can I get you?
1928
01:21:00,703 --> 01:21:02,404
- Blueberry pie and a Pepsi.
- Got it.
1929
01:21:02,437 --> 01:21:04,139
Thanks.
1930
01:21:06,208 --> 01:21:08,243
Good song.
1931
01:21:08,277 --> 01:21:10,713
Great song.
1932
01:21:10,747 --> 01:21:12,247
If anyone out there
is thinking of starting
1933
01:21:12,281 --> 01:21:14,751
a cola war,
avoid it at all costs.
1934
01:21:14,784 --> 01:21:16,686
I tell my son
about the cola wars
1935
01:21:16,719 --> 01:21:18,721
every night
before he goes to bed
1936
01:21:18,755 --> 01:21:20,522
in the hopes that this
never happens again.
1937
01:21:20,556 --> 01:21:23,559
If you can't beat it,
catch the wave. Coke.
1938
01:21:23,592 --> 01:21:25,227
So when it's all
said and done,
1939
01:21:25,260 --> 01:21:27,329
who won the cola wars?
1940
01:21:27,362 --> 01:21:29,298
You know, I'd love to tell you,
and it's true,
1941
01:21:29,331 --> 01:21:32,100
that Coca-Cola's market share
is larger,
1942
01:21:32,134 --> 01:21:34,169
but it was larger
before the cola wars started.
1943
01:21:34,202 --> 01:21:39,241
You know, and who really won
was the soft drink business.
1944
01:21:39,274 --> 01:21:42,177
And in the end of the day,
the cola wars were less about
1945
01:21:42,210 --> 01:21:44,446
the soda itself
1946
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:47,249
and much more about
everything surrounding it.
1947
01:21:47,282 --> 01:21:50,218
It was about your position
in the firmament,
1948
01:21:50,252 --> 01:21:52,354
where you stand
in American culture,
1949
01:21:52,387 --> 01:21:56,291
and Coke and Pepsi took on
just a greater importance,
1950
01:21:56,325 --> 01:21:59,729
because they are really
cultural touchstones.
1951
01:21:59,762 --> 01:22:03,800
I think that that is what
really strikes me
1952
01:22:03,833 --> 01:22:07,302
about how these two companies
creatively locked horns,
1953
01:22:07,336 --> 01:22:11,139
where they took music,
they took images,
1954
01:22:11,173 --> 01:22:14,610
and they were able
to persuade us to buy
1955
01:22:14,643 --> 01:22:16,411
a vast quantity...
1956
01:22:16,445 --> 01:22:20,315
oceans of their products.
1957
01:22:20,349 --> 01:22:23,485
And it's really quite
remarkable.
1958
01:22:23,518 --> 01:22:26,622
It felt really great
to be a part
1959
01:22:26,655 --> 01:22:29,792
of what is probably
one of the most historic
1960
01:22:29,826 --> 01:22:33,261
marketing rivalries
in the world and of all time.
1961
01:22:37,299 --> 01:22:40,302
You know, if you do what
a communications person does
1962
01:22:40,335 --> 01:22:42,504
for a living,
1963
01:22:42,537 --> 01:22:44,807
and you wake up in the morning
and the "New York Times"
1964
01:22:44,841 --> 01:22:47,242
and the "Wall Street Journal"
and the networks
1965
01:22:47,275 --> 01:22:50,579
are all interested in your
company and in your product,
1966
01:22:50,612 --> 01:22:52,614
boy, oh, boy,
what could be better?
1967
01:22:56,986 --> 01:22:59,254
Pepsi-Cola was the greatest
place to work.
1968
01:22:59,287 --> 01:23:01,556
We worked hard
and we partied hard.
1969
01:23:01,590 --> 01:23:03,492
You could not wait to get
to work in the morning.
1970
01:23:03,525 --> 01:23:06,361
It was a happy place.
1971
01:23:06,395 --> 01:23:08,430
We all knew
we had a mission,
1972
01:23:08,463 --> 01:23:11,433
but we all wanted to go and
be on the journey together.
1973
01:23:11,466 --> 01:23:13,870
You may say that the
products at the end of the day
1974
01:23:13,903 --> 01:23:18,640
were not products of great
sociological significance,
1975
01:23:18,674 --> 01:23:22,444
but, you know,
it's a product people enjoyed.
1976
01:23:22,477 --> 01:23:24,546
A product that
made people happy.
1977
01:23:24,579 --> 01:23:27,349
So, what's the matter
with that?
1978
01:23:32,955 --> 01:23:34,757
Are you willing to do
a Pepsi Challenge?
1979
01:23:34,791 --> 01:23:38,427
I will not drink Coca-Cola
under any circumstances.
1980
01:23:38,460 --> 01:23:39,528
So how do you want me
to do this?
1981
01:23:39,561 --> 01:23:40,763
Just pick it up and drink it?
1982
01:23:40,797 --> 01:23:41,998
Are you sure
they're different?
1983
01:23:42,031 --> 01:23:44,466
Boy, they both taste
the same.
1984
01:23:46,635 --> 01:23:49,638
I get to keep
my retirement!
1985
01:23:49,671 --> 01:23:51,908
Oh, goodness.
1986
01:23:51,941 --> 01:23:53,943
Never missed yet.
It's the better product.
1987
01:23:53,976 --> 01:23:55,377
It tastes the same.
1988
01:23:57,446 --> 01:23:59,849
What's all this about anyway?
1989
01:24:01,164 --> 01:24:03,266
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