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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,001 --> 00:00:00,656 Subtitles by explosiveskull www.OpenSubtitles.org 2 00:00:00,695 --> 00:00:01,484 Tonight, our program 3 00:00:01,531 --> 00:00:04,084 is about the war between Coke and Pepsi. 4 00:00:04,146 --> 00:00:06,581 I'm a Pepsi person. Always have been. 5 00:00:06,615 --> 00:00:09,418 I hate it. It tastes like watered-down Coca-Cola. 6 00:00:09,451 --> 00:00:12,789 Coca-Cola. Like I said, it really is the best. 7 00:00:12,822 --> 00:00:14,724 For over 100 years, 8 00:00:14,757 --> 00:00:16,959 Pepsi and Coke have been locked in a battle 9 00:00:16,993 --> 00:00:20,295 for the hearts, minds and wallets of America. 10 00:00:20,328 --> 00:00:23,766 Coca-Cola is the most popular consumer product in the world. 11 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,368 Pepsi was always scrapping to beat number one. 12 00:00:26,401 --> 00:00:27,669 You tell me which one you picked. 13 00:00:27,704 --> 00:00:29,772 Okay. Pepsi. 14 00:00:29,806 --> 00:00:32,407 The Pepsi Challenge was like a bomb going off in Atlanta. 15 00:00:32,441 --> 00:00:36,511 It was a shocking occurrence in the soft drink wars 16 00:00:36,545 --> 00:00:38,313 and in Coca-Cola. 17 00:00:38,346 --> 00:00:39,514 Employing brilliant minds 18 00:00:39,548 --> 00:00:41,718 and millions of dollars, 19 00:00:41,751 --> 00:00:43,820 Pepsi and Coke used every weapon possible 20 00:00:43,853 --> 00:00:45,454 to destroy their competition. 21 00:00:45,487 --> 00:00:47,023 Ladies and gentlemen, Michael Jackson. 22 00:00:47,056 --> 00:00:49,257 Michael leaned over and said, 23 00:00:49,291 --> 00:00:51,728 "I'm going to make Coke wish that they were Pepsi." 24 00:00:51,761 --> 00:00:53,528 And I remember thinking to myself, 25 00:00:53,562 --> 00:00:54,831 "This is going to change everything." 26 00:00:54,864 --> 00:00:56,565 They went into crisis mode. 27 00:00:56,598 --> 00:00:57,934 What do we do? 28 00:00:57,967 --> 00:00:59,568 Coca-Cola is about to announce 29 00:00:59,601 --> 00:01:02,270 what it calls the most significant development. 30 00:01:02,304 --> 00:01:03,605 We were pretty much in disbelief. 31 00:01:03,638 --> 00:01:05,307 The most significant 32 00:01:05,340 --> 00:01:06,743 soft drink marketing development 33 00:01:06,776 --> 00:01:08,711 in the company's 100-year history. 34 00:01:08,745 --> 00:01:10,345 We have to figure out what this is. 35 00:01:12,347 --> 00:01:14,050 How did a war between 36 00:01:14,083 --> 00:01:15,918 two soda brands succeed in capturing the imagination 37 00:01:15,952 --> 00:01:17,920 of the entire country 38 00:01:17,954 --> 00:01:20,923 and almost destroy one of the most iconic symbols 39 00:01:20,957 --> 00:01:22,959 of American culture? 40 00:01:39,541 --> 00:01:41,978 Yes, for a bright taste and a bracing sparkle, 41 00:01:42,011 --> 00:01:44,446 for perfect refreshment every time, 42 00:01:44,479 --> 00:01:49,051 there's nothing like ice-cold Coca-Cola. 43 00:01:49,085 --> 00:01:50,920 Coca-Cola was the first cola 44 00:01:50,953 --> 00:01:54,389 introduced to America, created in 1886 45 00:01:54,422 --> 00:01:56,491 by a pharmacist in Atlanta, Georgia. 46 00:01:56,525 --> 00:01:59,796 Pepsi-Cola came soon after, in 1893, 47 00:01:59,829 --> 00:02:01,831 and spent most of the 20th century 48 00:02:01,864 --> 00:02:04,734 trying to catch up to Coke's early head start. 49 00:02:04,767 --> 00:02:06,334 By the 1970s, 50 00:02:06,368 --> 00:02:07,904 Coke was the undisputed leader 51 00:02:07,937 --> 00:02:10,639 amongst all colas across the globe. 52 00:02:10,672 --> 00:02:12,407 Coca-Cola is sold 53 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,476 in 137 countries as the world's 54 00:02:14,509 --> 00:02:15,878 most popular soft drink. 55 00:02:15,912 --> 00:02:17,713 Walk down the street of any town, 56 00:02:17,747 --> 00:02:19,048 any city, any burg, 57 00:02:19,081 --> 00:02:21,117 and you would see Coca-Cola signs. 58 00:02:21,150 --> 00:02:24,486 It got to the point where people didn't even notice 59 00:02:24,519 --> 00:02:26,889 Coca-Cola signs anymore 60 00:02:26,923 --> 00:02:28,590 because it was such a part of the landscape, 61 00:02:28,623 --> 00:02:31,560 just like you don't notice every tree that you see. 62 00:02:31,593 --> 00:02:34,096 I believe the story goes that the two most recognizable words 63 00:02:34,130 --> 00:02:36,732 in the English language are "okay" and "Coke." 64 00:02:36,766 --> 00:02:38,667 - Do you speak any English? - No. 65 00:02:38,701 --> 00:02:40,069 - How about a Coke? - A Coke? 66 00:02:40,102 --> 00:02:42,872 Coke. Drink. Coke. 67 00:02:42,905 --> 00:02:44,974 Coca-Cola! 68 00:02:45,007 --> 00:02:46,641 In a business where even 69 00:02:46,676 --> 00:02:48,443 a one-point edge in the market 70 00:02:48,476 --> 00:02:50,680 was worth hundreds of millions of dollars, 71 00:02:50,713 --> 00:02:52,614 Pepsi and Coke fiercely competed 72 00:02:52,647 --> 00:02:55,751 for every ounce of soda consumed across the world. 73 00:02:55,785 --> 00:02:58,553 Pepsi's task was, in fact, to be the underdog. 74 00:02:58,587 --> 00:03:01,523 To be the rascally rabbit, 75 00:03:01,556 --> 00:03:02,725 or "wascally wabbit," if you will, 76 00:03:02,758 --> 00:03:05,161 to the Elmer Fudd of Coca-Cola. 77 00:03:05,194 --> 00:03:09,564 I think being the underdog is the place you want to be, 78 00:03:09,598 --> 00:03:11,701 because when you're number one, you're in the lead, 79 00:03:11,734 --> 00:03:13,703 you kind of sit on your laurels and you don't really... 80 00:03:13,736 --> 00:03:15,537 "Well, we're great, we're wonderful, 81 00:03:15,570 --> 00:03:18,174 there's nothing else that we could possibly do." 82 00:03:18,207 --> 00:03:21,077 But number two is always scrapping to beat number one. 83 00:03:21,110 --> 00:03:22,577 In the 1970s, 84 00:03:22,611 --> 00:03:24,680 the competition was fierce. 85 00:03:24,714 --> 00:03:28,117 RC Cola, Dr Pepper and others were vying to be number two. 86 00:03:28,150 --> 00:03:29,886 Pepsi knew that to even get 87 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:31,620 on the same playing field as Coke, 88 00:03:31,653 --> 00:03:33,521 they would need to make a bold move. 89 00:03:33,555 --> 00:03:35,657 And then, all of a sudden, 90 00:03:35,691 --> 00:03:38,627 this sort of very local, little advertising gimmick 91 00:03:38,660 --> 00:03:42,899 a local Pepsi guy came up with, called the Pepsi Challenge. 92 00:03:42,932 --> 00:03:44,666 And the world changed. 93 00:03:44,700 --> 00:03:46,601 In recent side-by-side 94 00:03:46,635 --> 00:03:49,471 blind taste tests, nationwide, more than half 95 00:03:49,504 --> 00:03:51,841 the Coca-Cola drinkers tested preferred Pepsi. 96 00:03:51,874 --> 00:03:53,009 Which do you like better? 97 00:03:53,042 --> 00:03:54,442 I prefer this one. 98 00:03:54,476 --> 00:03:56,112 It has a more tangy taste. 99 00:03:56,145 --> 00:03:57,780 Tell me the one you preferred. 100 00:03:57,813 --> 00:03:59,048 Pepsi-Cola. 101 00:03:59,081 --> 00:04:00,216 You can believe that. 102 00:04:00,249 --> 00:04:02,151 In Dallas, Texas, 103 00:04:02,184 --> 00:04:05,688 we introduced a comparative advertising campaign, 104 00:04:05,721 --> 00:04:07,589 unique at the time, 105 00:04:07,622 --> 00:04:09,926 where we were a number-three brand. 106 00:04:09,959 --> 00:04:12,128 Not just a number-two brand. A number-three brand. 107 00:04:12,161 --> 00:04:15,698 Coke, Dr Pepper, the local brand, and Pepsi. 108 00:04:15,731 --> 00:04:17,599 So with almost nothing to lose, 109 00:04:17,632 --> 00:04:20,468 we launched a blind taste test. 110 00:04:20,502 --> 00:04:22,071 This is the taste. 111 00:04:22,104 --> 00:04:23,873 This is the test. 112 00:04:23,906 --> 00:04:27,143 Pepsi versus Coke. The Pepsi Challenge. 113 00:04:27,176 --> 00:04:29,111 I mean, production values were low when I was a kid, 114 00:04:29,145 --> 00:04:31,681 but this was startlingly low. 115 00:04:31,714 --> 00:04:34,917 Like, come here, we've got mystery beverages. 116 00:04:34,951 --> 00:04:36,886 Would you be willing to sit down and try them? 117 00:04:36,919 --> 00:04:39,789 No! Coke would never do that. 118 00:04:39,822 --> 00:04:41,724 Coke was winning 119 00:04:41,757 --> 00:04:43,558 in the supermarkets and the fast-food chains. 120 00:04:43,591 --> 00:04:45,828 Pepsi's strategy: win the supermarkets, 121 00:04:45,861 --> 00:04:48,030 and the rest of America will follow. 122 00:04:48,064 --> 00:04:50,967 The Pepsi Challenge proved Pepsi was on the offense 123 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,002 and unafraid to take on the champ. 124 00:04:53,035 --> 00:04:54,136 You tell me which one you picked. 125 00:04:54,170 --> 00:04:56,005 Okay. Pepsi. 126 00:04:56,038 --> 00:04:57,672 What do you think of the Pepsi Challenge now as a test? 127 00:04:57,707 --> 00:04:59,742 - I believe it. I believe it. - You believe it? 128 00:04:59,775 --> 00:05:02,610 At first I thought, well, it's not real, it can't be real. 129 00:05:02,644 --> 00:05:05,781 And I actually... we did it at our house with friends, 130 00:05:05,815 --> 00:05:07,717 and more people ended up picking Pepsi. 131 00:05:07,750 --> 00:05:10,152 I was like, well, maybe this is actually something real. 132 00:05:10,186 --> 00:05:11,887 It's not just a gimmick. 133 00:05:11,921 --> 00:05:13,990 Where I grew up in Cincinnati, Ohio, 134 00:05:14,023 --> 00:05:15,825 we loved the Reds. 135 00:05:15,858 --> 00:05:17,927 We loved the Bengals, and we drank Pepsi. 136 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:19,095 That's just the way it was. 137 00:05:19,128 --> 00:05:21,130 When I saw the Pepsi Challenge 138 00:05:21,163 --> 00:05:23,866 and I saw people choosing Pepsi, 139 00:05:23,899 --> 00:05:26,534 it just affirmed everything about who I was. 140 00:05:26,568 --> 00:05:28,104 I was like, 141 00:05:28,137 --> 00:05:29,905 "They're making the right choice." 142 00:05:29,939 --> 00:05:31,741 Pepsi. 143 00:05:31,774 --> 00:05:34,110 Do you want to do a Pepsi Challenge? 144 00:05:36,846 --> 00:05:38,814 Make a fool of myself, sure. 145 00:05:38,848 --> 00:05:41,583 So the question before us is, 146 00:05:41,616 --> 00:05:44,053 can the author of "The Cola Wars" 147 00:05:44,086 --> 00:05:46,856 tell the difference between Coke and Pepsi? 148 00:05:46,889 --> 00:05:49,959 I doubt it very much, but I'll give it a shot. 149 00:05:51,994 --> 00:05:55,097 It's... listening to these guys talk about beverages, 150 00:05:55,131 --> 00:05:58,633 you'd think they were talking about the finest wines. 151 00:05:58,666 --> 00:06:00,903 On a sip test basis, 152 00:06:00,936 --> 00:06:02,670 Pepsi is a sweeter product than Coke. 153 00:06:02,705 --> 00:06:05,607 It has ten more calories in a can than Coca-Cola does. 154 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:06,909 I don't know what I'm doing. 155 00:06:06,942 --> 00:06:08,811 And on a sip basis, 156 00:06:08,844 --> 00:06:10,578 Americans will tend to pick the sweeter product. 157 00:06:10,612 --> 00:06:14,250 Pepsi took this and used it to their advantage. 158 00:06:14,283 --> 00:06:15,985 Can I guess this is Pepsi? 159 00:06:16,018 --> 00:06:18,087 Reveal. 160 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:19,722 You got it. 161 00:06:19,755 --> 00:06:21,223 Oh, my God, I can't believe it. 162 00:06:21,257 --> 00:06:23,859 Well, it was one out of two, you know? 163 00:06:23,893 --> 00:06:25,593 All across this country, 164 00:06:25,627 --> 00:06:27,830 people took the Pepsi Challenge, 165 00:06:27,863 --> 00:06:30,232 and Pepsi won, because... 166 00:06:30,266 --> 00:06:34,270 ♪ You know a winner when you taste one ♪ 167 00:06:34,303 --> 00:06:36,806 It really caught public attention, 168 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,607 and Pepsi Challenge was the catapult 169 00:06:39,641 --> 00:06:41,777 to a rivalry that put Pepsi on, 170 00:06:41,811 --> 00:06:44,313 really, the same playing field as Coke. 171 00:06:45,781 --> 00:06:47,917 Pepsi-Cola. 172 00:06:47,950 --> 00:06:49,885 Even thought it was one a one- or two-point advantage, 173 00:06:49,919 --> 00:06:52,088 it put them on camera next to Coca-Cola. 174 00:06:52,121 --> 00:06:55,124 And suddenly they moved from a second positioning 175 00:06:55,157 --> 00:06:57,760 to an equal positioning in the minds of the consumer. 176 00:06:57,793 --> 00:07:00,296 That's really what the Pepsi Challenge was all about. 177 00:07:00,329 --> 00:07:02,664 By the end of the 1970s, 178 00:07:02,698 --> 00:07:04,767 the soft drink business was growing fast. 179 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,136 Fuelled by the intensifying cola wars, 180 00:07:07,169 --> 00:07:10,072 Pepsi was gaining real momentum for the first time in history. 181 00:07:10,106 --> 00:07:12,842 With so much money and market share at stake, 182 00:07:12,875 --> 00:07:16,212 Coke wasn't going down without an epic fight. 183 00:07:21,283 --> 00:07:23,919 I'm from Atlanta. I was born in Atlanta. 184 00:07:23,953 --> 00:07:28,124 I obviously grew up drinking Coca-Cola. 185 00:07:28,157 --> 00:07:30,726 I don't think I've ever known a Pepsi drinker. 186 00:07:33,729 --> 00:07:35,264 Now that I think about it. 187 00:07:35,297 --> 00:07:37,233 This one. 188 00:07:41,070 --> 00:07:43,806 Coke. 189 00:07:43,839 --> 00:07:46,142 I was pretty sure it was Coke. 190 00:07:46,175 --> 00:07:47,843 I passed my Atlanta test. 191 00:07:47,877 --> 00:07:51,280 My mother's not spinning in her grave. 192 00:07:51,313 --> 00:07:52,982 You're a Coca-Cola drinker, is that right? 193 00:07:53,015 --> 00:07:54,250 Yeah. 194 00:07:54,283 --> 00:07:56,352 I'm gonna ask you to take sip. 195 00:07:56,385 --> 00:07:57,686 The Pepsi Challenge was like 196 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,955 a bomb going off in Atlanta. 197 00:07:59,989 --> 00:08:02,424 First of all, it was rude, you know? 198 00:08:02,458 --> 00:08:05,728 Again, that's just not the way you did business. 199 00:08:05,761 --> 00:08:08,931 You didn't call attention to the other person's product, 200 00:08:08,964 --> 00:08:12,334 and you certainly wouldn't claim you were better. 201 00:08:12,368 --> 00:08:14,170 Coca-Cola was outraged. 202 00:08:14,203 --> 00:08:17,473 They said, "This is unfair advertising." 203 00:08:17,506 --> 00:08:20,910 And the whole marketing community said, 204 00:08:20,943 --> 00:08:22,878 "Why is Coke so concerned about little Pepsi?" 205 00:08:22,912 --> 00:08:25,881 Binoculars. Pepsi Challenge booth. 206 00:08:25,915 --> 00:08:27,049 And I'm looking for the Coke drinker 207 00:08:27,082 --> 00:08:30,252 the Pepsi guys never show on TV. 208 00:08:30,286 --> 00:08:32,254 He's tasting. 209 00:08:32,288 --> 00:08:35,057 He's smiling. 210 00:08:35,090 --> 00:08:36,792 He picked Coke. 211 00:08:36,825 --> 00:08:38,894 Now, are we ever gonna see this on TV? Ha! 212 00:08:38,928 --> 00:08:42,831 So Bill Cosby, at the time, of course, was Mr. Wholesome. 213 00:08:42,865 --> 00:08:45,868 Family man wearing the funny sweaters, 214 00:08:45,901 --> 00:08:49,104 forgetting about what happened later with Bill Cosby. 215 00:08:49,138 --> 00:08:52,942 He was put into service to be Coke's great defender. 216 00:08:52,975 --> 00:08:54,810 Let the other guys play the games. 217 00:08:54,843 --> 00:08:57,012 You know the score. Coke is it. 218 00:08:58,781 --> 00:09:00,316 Yeah. 219 00:09:00,349 --> 00:09:01,483 I remember the Bill Cosby ads, 220 00:09:01,517 --> 00:09:02,952 but I don't remember them, 221 00:09:02,985 --> 00:09:04,253 and that's how impressed I was with them. 222 00:09:04,286 --> 00:09:06,121 Everything goes with Coke. 223 00:09:06,155 --> 00:09:08,824 Every advertisement that Coke launched 224 00:09:08,857 --> 00:09:11,293 to sort of counter the Pepsi Challenge, 225 00:09:11,327 --> 00:09:13,395 it was like they were chasing Pepsi. 226 00:09:13,429 --> 00:09:15,497 And you could tell that they were worried. 227 00:09:15,531 --> 00:09:17,233 In the early 1970s, 228 00:09:17,266 --> 00:09:20,436 18% of soda drinkers only drank Coke. 229 00:09:20,469 --> 00:09:22,871 After the Pepsi Challenge campaign, 230 00:09:22,905 --> 00:09:25,107 that number plummeted to 4%. 231 00:09:25,140 --> 00:09:27,943 Coke was bewildered. It was the first time ever 232 00:09:27,977 --> 00:09:31,247 the Real Thing was feeling vulnerable. 233 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:32,948 Overall, Coke still had about a 3-to-2 advantage 234 00:09:32,982 --> 00:09:34,850 in the United States. 235 00:09:34,883 --> 00:09:37,519 And outside the United States, it far outsold Pepsi. 236 00:09:37,553 --> 00:09:40,889 But in food stores in this country in the late '70s, 237 00:09:40,923 --> 00:09:42,891 Pepsi passed Coke. 238 00:09:42,925 --> 00:09:45,327 The Pepsi Challenge was so successful for Pepsi 239 00:09:45,361 --> 00:09:49,098 that everywhere it was tried, their sales increased. 240 00:09:49,131 --> 00:09:51,934 There's great satisfaction knowing that 241 00:09:51,967 --> 00:09:53,936 more people are going to a supermarket 242 00:09:53,969 --> 00:09:57,273 and buying Pepsi than Coke. 243 00:09:57,306 --> 00:10:00,542 ♪ You know a winner When you taste one ♪ 244 00:10:04,847 --> 00:10:08,584 I've never had a Coke in my life. 245 00:10:08,617 --> 00:10:10,319 Sure. 246 00:10:10,352 --> 00:10:12,087 Now I'm changing my mind. 247 00:10:12,121 --> 00:10:14,089 Okay. 248 00:10:17,426 --> 00:10:19,795 Hmm. 249 00:10:21,930 --> 00:10:23,032 This one. 250 00:10:25,934 --> 00:10:27,970 Yeah! Whoo! 251 00:10:29,638 --> 00:10:31,907 I do prefer that one. 252 00:10:31,940 --> 00:10:34,009 Brand loyalty was sort of the dominant theme 253 00:10:34,043 --> 00:10:36,578 of the Coke and Pepsi competition. 254 00:10:36,612 --> 00:10:38,347 You were either a Coke or a Pepsi person, 255 00:10:38,380 --> 00:10:40,249 and that was almost like, you know, 256 00:10:40,282 --> 00:10:41,850 Democrat/Republican at the time. 257 00:10:41,884 --> 00:10:43,585 Everybody was one or the other. 258 00:10:43,619 --> 00:10:45,921 People at Coca-Cola take this pretty seriously, 259 00:10:45,954 --> 00:10:48,290 and I think it's probably true of the folks at Pepsi too. 260 00:10:48,324 --> 00:10:52,261 It's hard to comprehend at the time 261 00:10:52,294 --> 00:10:54,496 how insular Coca-Cola was. 262 00:10:54,530 --> 00:10:57,199 They didn't use the name Pepsi. 263 00:10:57,232 --> 00:10:59,935 They called it "that other cola company." 264 00:10:59,968 --> 00:11:01,603 Seriously. 265 00:11:01,637 --> 00:11:05,040 Grown men, head of corporations, 266 00:11:05,074 --> 00:11:07,943 would not refer to Pepsi by their name. 267 00:11:07,976 --> 00:11:10,112 Anyway... 268 00:11:10,145 --> 00:11:14,283 It was really rare to hear the word "Pepsi" at Coke, 269 00:11:14,316 --> 00:11:16,085 and as the leaders, 270 00:11:16,118 --> 00:11:19,555 we thought that we needed to focus on our brand, 271 00:11:19,588 --> 00:11:21,557 and growth for our brand. 272 00:11:21,590 --> 00:11:25,494 Coca-Cola immediately started flowing through our veins. 273 00:11:25,527 --> 00:11:27,396 And that's what happens when you work at Coke. 274 00:11:27,429 --> 00:11:29,498 To this day, I would not drink a Coke 275 00:11:29,531 --> 00:11:31,066 if somebody paid me to, 276 00:11:31,100 --> 00:11:33,068 and my whole family is like that. 277 00:11:33,102 --> 00:11:36,038 My niece was in a McDonald's when she was three years old, 278 00:11:36,071 --> 00:11:38,006 and she was choking, and my sister-in-law 279 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:39,908 was trying to give her a Coke, and she wouldn't take it. 280 00:11:39,942 --> 00:11:42,010 She said, "No Coke. Pepsi." 281 00:11:42,044 --> 00:11:45,247 I mean, had I tasted it? Yes, of course, you have to. 282 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:49,251 But have I really drank Pepsi? Well, no. 283 00:11:49,284 --> 00:11:51,420 If you walked into a restaurant and ordered a Coke, 284 00:11:51,453 --> 00:11:54,022 and they said, "I'm sorry, all we have is Pepsi," 285 00:11:54,056 --> 00:11:55,524 you got up and you walked out of that restaurant. 286 00:11:55,557 --> 00:11:58,060 Our son hated his kindergarten teacher 287 00:11:58,093 --> 00:12:01,296 and wouldn't go to school, and we couldn't understand why. 288 00:12:01,330 --> 00:12:02,664 And we found out it's because 289 00:12:02,699 --> 00:12:04,533 she drank Diet Coke at lunchtime. 290 00:12:06,168 --> 00:12:09,037 He didn't want to see her with it. 291 00:12:10,639 --> 00:12:12,408 The 1980s. 292 00:12:12,441 --> 00:12:15,377 A time of mass media and mass consumption. 293 00:12:15,411 --> 00:12:17,479 A perfect point in history for an epic showdown 294 00:12:17,513 --> 00:12:19,716 between two soft drink brands 295 00:12:19,749 --> 00:12:21,483 that would capture the attention 296 00:12:21,517 --> 00:12:23,986 of an American public ready to be wowed. 297 00:12:24,019 --> 00:12:25,454 During the 80s, the cola wars 298 00:12:25,487 --> 00:12:28,457 was a major development. 299 00:12:28,490 --> 00:12:33,195 It was still a world where, if you ran your TV commercial 300 00:12:33,228 --> 00:12:35,063 on the major broadcast networks, 301 00:12:35,097 --> 00:12:39,067 you would reach 90% or more of the American public. 302 00:12:39,101 --> 00:12:41,336 ♪ It's alive and light ♪ 303 00:12:41,370 --> 00:12:43,740 ♪ It's doing it right ♪ 304 00:12:43,773 --> 00:12:47,142 ♪ It's a hit, it's a Coke Coke is it ♪ 305 00:12:47,176 --> 00:12:49,044 That's why you could have the cola wars, 306 00:12:49,077 --> 00:12:51,380 is because you had everyone experiencing it. 307 00:12:51,413 --> 00:12:54,082 Everybody knew what was going on, 308 00:12:54,116 --> 00:12:58,587 and it was a common touchstone for the entire population. 309 00:12:58,620 --> 00:13:01,356 People are not talking about tax reform or missile buildup. 310 00:13:01,390 --> 00:13:04,226 They're talking about cola wars. It's on everybody's minds. 311 00:13:04,259 --> 00:13:06,161 And the interesting part of the story 312 00:13:06,195 --> 00:13:07,996 is that we don't know the outcome. 313 00:13:08,030 --> 00:13:10,599 So people will continue to wonder about it. 314 00:13:10,632 --> 00:13:13,435 There was a tremendous amount of news coverage 315 00:13:13,469 --> 00:13:15,772 about soda during the '80s, 316 00:13:15,805 --> 00:13:17,439 because back in the '80s, 317 00:13:17,473 --> 00:13:22,211 the sodas had a really prominent role 318 00:13:22,244 --> 00:13:25,047 in American life. 319 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:26,783 Billy Joel's "We Didn't Start the Fire." 320 00:13:26,816 --> 00:13:29,151 That's what comes to my head when I think of the cola wars. 321 00:13:29,184 --> 00:13:31,487 ♪ We didn't start the fire ♪ 322 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,590 He's listed all the horrors of the 20th century, 323 00:13:34,623 --> 00:13:36,158 and he's able to keep it together, 324 00:13:36,191 --> 00:13:38,193 even when JFK is blown away. 325 00:13:38,227 --> 00:13:40,730 But when he gets to the "rock-and-roller cola wars"... 326 00:13:40,763 --> 00:13:44,666 ♪ Rock-and-roller cola wars I can't take it anymore ♪ 327 00:13:44,701 --> 00:13:49,706 There was a very specific focus on those two brands. 328 00:13:49,739 --> 00:13:51,406 - What you having? - Coke. 329 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,275 - No Coke. Pepsi. - Pepsi. 330 00:13:53,308 --> 00:13:55,043 One Pepsi! 331 00:13:55,077 --> 00:13:57,179 - One Pepsi! - Hey! 332 00:13:57,212 --> 00:13:59,314 There were no bottled waters. 333 00:13:59,348 --> 00:14:01,250 There were no sparkling juices. 334 00:14:01,283 --> 00:14:03,786 There was just those two. That was your choice. 335 00:14:03,820 --> 00:14:05,487 Coke and Pepsi were spending 336 00:14:05,521 --> 00:14:08,156 over $100 million per year on advertising, 337 00:14:08,190 --> 00:14:10,492 and the onslaught of ads was paying off. 338 00:14:10,526 --> 00:14:14,229 In 1980, the average American was consuming three times 339 00:14:14,263 --> 00:14:17,399 as much soda than they did in the 1950s. 340 00:14:17,432 --> 00:14:21,303 As much as 400 12-ounce cans per year. 341 00:14:21,336 --> 00:14:24,273 Soft drinks are the beverage of choice of most Americans. 342 00:14:24,306 --> 00:14:26,408 We drink more soda pop than water. 343 00:14:26,441 --> 00:14:29,511 43 gallons apiece this year, versus 39. 344 00:14:29,545 --> 00:14:32,514 And the market, a staggering $25 billion a year, 345 00:14:32,548 --> 00:14:34,383 is well worth fighting for. 346 00:14:34,416 --> 00:14:35,617 It was the biggest single beverage category. 347 00:14:35,651 --> 00:14:37,352 Ahead of water, 348 00:14:37,386 --> 00:14:40,556 and then coffee, and then tea, and so on. 349 00:14:40,589 --> 00:14:43,292 Every grocer in America ran a soda ad every week, 350 00:14:43,325 --> 00:14:46,461 and it was Coke or Pepsi, not both. 351 00:14:46,495 --> 00:14:47,596 Coming off the successful 352 00:14:47,629 --> 00:14:49,565 Pepsi Challenge campaign, 353 00:14:49,598 --> 00:14:51,834 speculation arose that Coke might be in trouble. 354 00:14:51,868 --> 00:14:53,836 Further complicating matters for Coke, 355 00:14:53,870 --> 00:14:56,773 longtime chairman Robert Woodruff stepped down. 356 00:14:56,806 --> 00:14:59,441 Robert Woodruff was, for more than 60 years, 357 00:14:59,474 --> 00:15:01,176 either the president or chairman of the board 358 00:15:01,209 --> 00:15:03,378 of the Coca-Cola Company. 359 00:15:03,412 --> 00:15:06,415 And he ran the company almost until the time he passed away. 360 00:15:06,448 --> 00:15:07,616 He was often, inside the company, 361 00:15:07,649 --> 00:15:09,117 called "the boss." 362 00:15:09,151 --> 00:15:10,619 And he very much was the boss. 363 00:15:10,652 --> 00:15:12,855 In the early 1980s, 364 00:15:12,889 --> 00:15:16,258 Robert Woodruff really passed the baton to Roberto Goizueta 365 00:15:16,291 --> 00:15:19,561 and stepped away for the first time in 50 years. 366 00:15:19,595 --> 00:15:21,698 Mr. Goizueta promptly chose Don Keough 367 00:15:21,731 --> 00:15:25,233 as his president and COO, and they were partners 368 00:15:25,267 --> 00:15:26,736 until they both retired from the company. 369 00:15:26,769 --> 00:15:29,271 They balanced each other beautifully, 370 00:15:29,304 --> 00:15:32,775 and they worked together as a partnership 371 00:15:32,809 --> 00:15:35,377 like I've never seen. 372 00:15:35,410 --> 00:15:38,848 Don Keough was this, you know, hail-fellow-well-met. 373 00:15:38,881 --> 00:15:43,185 Great Irish, you know, storyteller, slap on the back. 374 00:15:43,218 --> 00:15:47,356 Roberto Goizueta was a different character. 375 00:15:47,389 --> 00:15:49,792 He was a quiet person. 376 00:15:49,826 --> 00:15:51,560 He had, I think, incredible drive 377 00:15:51,593 --> 00:15:53,730 and incredible focus. 378 00:15:53,763 --> 00:15:56,365 He was, without question, the right man for the times. 379 00:15:56,398 --> 00:15:59,334 Mr. Goizueta took a company which, frankly, 380 00:15:59,368 --> 00:16:02,471 had grown maybe a little bit lazy 381 00:16:02,504 --> 00:16:04,406 and wasn't as aggressive as it might have been, 382 00:16:04,439 --> 00:16:05,875 and was willing to take actions 383 00:16:05,908 --> 00:16:07,944 that were going to shake things up. 384 00:16:07,977 --> 00:16:10,178 And it was Roberto who then had his own mantra, which was, 385 00:16:10,212 --> 00:16:11,748 "There's no sacred cows." 386 00:16:11,781 --> 00:16:13,750 I think because of the cola wars, 387 00:16:13,783 --> 00:16:16,251 because there was such intense competition 388 00:16:16,284 --> 00:16:18,654 between Coke and Pepsi, 389 00:16:18,688 --> 00:16:22,224 that both felt like they really had to raise their game. 390 00:16:22,257 --> 00:16:24,259 Pepsi and Coke were locked 391 00:16:24,292 --> 00:16:26,228 in a war for the taste buds of America, 392 00:16:26,261 --> 00:16:28,931 where the prize was billions of dollars of revenue. 393 00:16:28,965 --> 00:16:31,566 With underdog Pepsi nipping at Coke's heels, 394 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,804 the world's most popular brand was finally realizing 395 00:16:34,837 --> 00:16:37,673 it had some legitimate competition. 396 00:16:37,707 --> 00:16:39,942 It was fun getting up every day to do battle 397 00:16:39,976 --> 00:16:41,510 with the number one brand in the world. 398 00:16:41,543 --> 00:16:43,578 You certainly rolled out of bed 399 00:16:43,612 --> 00:16:46,314 thinking that you had to bring your "A" game to work 400 00:16:46,348 --> 00:16:47,616 every single day, 401 00:16:47,649 --> 00:16:49,651 or you weren't going to win that day. 402 00:16:49,686 --> 00:16:52,287 The battle between Coke and Pepsi 403 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,389 was a battle for the heart and soul of America. 404 00:16:54,423 --> 00:16:55,992 When you are the leader, 405 00:16:56,025 --> 00:16:57,994 you're always looking over your shoulder 406 00:16:58,027 --> 00:16:59,661 to see who's coming at you. 407 00:16:59,696 --> 00:17:01,831 And then you have PepsiCo trying to figure out 408 00:17:01,864 --> 00:17:04,901 any way they can to knock you off the top. 409 00:17:04,934 --> 00:17:07,770 So for the first time, there was the real possibility 410 00:17:07,804 --> 00:17:10,405 that they might be able to catch Coke. 411 00:17:18,014 --> 00:17:20,717 Coca-Cola is the most popular 412 00:17:20,750 --> 00:17:22,651 consumer product in the world, 413 00:17:22,685 --> 00:17:26,555 and by far the largest-selling soft drink. 414 00:17:26,588 --> 00:17:28,791 Product bearing the trademark Coca-Cola are asked for 415 00:17:28,825 --> 00:17:30,793 in 80 languages, 416 00:17:30,827 --> 00:17:35,330 and enjoyed more than 279 million times each day 417 00:17:35,363 --> 00:17:37,666 in more than 155 countries. 418 00:17:37,700 --> 00:17:39,334 Before the Pepsi Challenge, 419 00:17:39,367 --> 00:17:41,037 Coca-Cola had enjoyed a long history 420 00:17:41,070 --> 00:17:43,305 of mostly unchallenged success, 421 00:17:43,338 --> 00:17:45,474 but this long-standing dominance 422 00:17:45,507 --> 00:17:48,343 also made the company resistant to change, 423 00:17:48,376 --> 00:17:50,579 especially when it came to Coke's highly revered 424 00:17:50,612 --> 00:17:52,447 secret formula. 425 00:17:52,481 --> 00:17:53,783 The formula for Coca-Cola 426 00:17:53,816 --> 00:17:55,918 is called Merchandise 7X, 427 00:17:55,952 --> 00:17:58,320 a recipe so secret that it's locked inside 428 00:17:58,353 --> 00:17:59,989 this Atlanta bank vault, 429 00:18:00,022 --> 00:18:02,390 so successful that it's been tinkered with 430 00:18:02,424 --> 00:18:05,527 but never dramatically changed in nearly 100 years. 431 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,596 The secret formula has been 432 00:18:07,629 --> 00:18:10,532 a really smart piece of marketing 433 00:18:10,565 --> 00:18:13,502 by Coca-Cola for a long time. 434 00:18:13,535 --> 00:18:16,839 The idea that this product is so proprietary and so special 435 00:18:16,873 --> 00:18:19,541 that the formula is kept top secret. 436 00:18:19,574 --> 00:18:21,744 Do I know the Coke formula? 437 00:18:21,778 --> 00:18:23,612 No. 438 00:18:23,645 --> 00:18:25,313 Do I know what most of the ingredients are? 439 00:18:25,347 --> 00:18:26,916 Yes, but I don't know the recipe. 440 00:18:26,949 --> 00:18:29,618 That is very tightly held. 441 00:18:29,651 --> 00:18:31,419 Very few people in the company 442 00:18:31,453 --> 00:18:33,055 know what the formula is. 443 00:18:33,089 --> 00:18:34,891 It's probably fewer than a half a dozen, 444 00:18:34,924 --> 00:18:37,894 and I think the notion of the secret formula 445 00:18:37,927 --> 00:18:40,997 is something that has passed into legend. 446 00:18:41,030 --> 00:18:43,065 I was told in just straight... 447 00:18:43,099 --> 00:18:44,967 I mean, they would do it with a straight face, 448 00:18:45,001 --> 00:18:47,069 and you couldn't get them to giggle about it... 449 00:18:47,103 --> 00:18:50,672 that there were never more than three people that knew it. 450 00:18:50,706 --> 00:18:53,608 And they couldn't fly on the same plane together. 451 00:18:53,642 --> 00:18:55,544 Ah-ha. 452 00:18:55,577 --> 00:18:58,014 How many ingredients can there be in Coke? 453 00:18:58,047 --> 00:19:00,649 It's like water, bubbles, 454 00:19:00,683 --> 00:19:02,551 sugar. 455 00:19:02,584 --> 00:19:05,021 There's no secret formula to Pepsi. 456 00:19:05,054 --> 00:19:06,722 Pepsi will tell you right away what's in it. 457 00:19:06,756 --> 00:19:08,557 Keeping the formula secret 458 00:19:08,590 --> 00:19:10,993 was so important to Coke that it sometimes came 459 00:19:11,027 --> 00:19:13,528 at the cost of growing their business. 460 00:19:13,562 --> 00:19:14,897 Coke's problem is 461 00:19:14,931 --> 00:19:16,565 the Indian government's demand 462 00:19:16,598 --> 00:19:17,934 that the American company turn over 463 00:19:17,967 --> 00:19:20,069 60% of its ownership to Indians, 464 00:19:20,102 --> 00:19:22,104 along with its technical know-how, 465 00:19:22,138 --> 00:19:24,406 including Coke's secret formula. 466 00:19:24,439 --> 00:19:26,008 The Indians knew what they were doing. 467 00:19:26,042 --> 00:19:28,077 They wanted to kick Coca-Cola out of the country, 468 00:19:28,110 --> 00:19:30,913 and so they demanded the recipe, 469 00:19:30,947 --> 00:19:32,849 the secret formula, the 7X. 470 00:19:32,882 --> 00:19:34,649 It's just not going to happen. 471 00:19:34,684 --> 00:19:36,686 So Coke left. It was like, 472 00:19:36,719 --> 00:19:38,688 "Okay, yeah, we can live without that. 473 00:19:38,721 --> 00:19:41,023 We're not giving up 7X, that's for sure." 474 00:19:41,057 --> 00:19:42,657 I grew up in India. 475 00:19:42,692 --> 00:19:44,426 I remember as a young kid 476 00:19:44,459 --> 00:19:46,162 coming to my first trip to the U.S. in 1977, 477 00:19:46,195 --> 00:19:49,431 and on the plane I took one of those little cans of Coke 478 00:19:49,464 --> 00:19:51,399 and smuggled it home with me, 479 00:19:51,433 --> 00:19:53,769 because it was such an iconic thing. 480 00:19:55,470 --> 00:19:57,606 It's interesting. I grew up in a Pepsi family. 481 00:19:57,639 --> 00:19:59,041 Came to work for the Coca-Cola company. 482 00:19:59,075 --> 00:20:01,010 This is Coke. 483 00:20:01,043 --> 00:20:03,645 I wasn't much of a soft drink drinker when I was a kid. 484 00:20:03,679 --> 00:20:06,648 But Coke had this ubiquity. It was everywhere. 485 00:20:06,682 --> 00:20:08,450 Stadiums, arenas. 486 00:20:08,483 --> 00:20:09,685 There's no question about it. 487 00:20:09,719 --> 00:20:11,453 So the marketing worked on me, 488 00:20:11,486 --> 00:20:14,023 and I had this sense of bigness and fun 489 00:20:14,056 --> 00:20:15,725 associated with that brand. 490 00:20:15,758 --> 00:20:17,459 That's Coke. 491 00:20:17,492 --> 00:20:20,997 Yeah. Okay. 492 00:20:21,030 --> 00:20:23,733 Coke has a little bite to it. 493 00:20:23,766 --> 00:20:27,636 From a taste perspective, that was, for me, easy to tell. 494 00:20:27,669 --> 00:20:29,471 Coke's formula 495 00:20:29,504 --> 00:20:31,640 wasn't the only thing it held in high regard. 496 00:20:31,673 --> 00:20:34,911 When Coke joined the diet soda trend in 1963, 497 00:20:34,944 --> 00:20:37,747 it refused to use the name Coke or Coca-Cola 498 00:20:37,780 --> 00:20:40,149 for anything but its flagship brand. 499 00:20:40,182 --> 00:20:43,185 So as a result, the world was given TaB. 500 00:20:43,219 --> 00:20:45,121 ♪ TaB ♪ 501 00:20:45,154 --> 00:20:47,156 ♪ What a beautiful treat ♪ 502 00:20:47,189 --> 00:20:50,993 ♪ TaB, for beautiful people TaB ♪ 503 00:20:51,027 --> 00:20:53,129 TaB, it was very female. 504 00:20:53,162 --> 00:20:55,597 TaB, TaB Cola, for beautiful people. 505 00:20:55,630 --> 00:20:57,867 And there were a lot of female models. 506 00:20:57,900 --> 00:21:00,236 You rarely saw a man in any TaB work. 507 00:21:00,269 --> 00:21:02,537 By the late '70s, early '80s, 508 00:21:02,570 --> 00:21:04,673 TaB was getting a little soft. 509 00:21:04,707 --> 00:21:06,676 Sales were a little stale. 510 00:21:06,709 --> 00:21:08,476 A little tepid. 511 00:21:08,510 --> 00:21:10,813 And so Coca-Cola realized that, you know, 512 00:21:10,846 --> 00:21:15,151 what we need to do is leverage the Coca-oca-la bran. 513 00:21:15,184 --> 00:21:17,585 In the ongoing struggle for shelf space and market shares, 514 00:21:17,619 --> 00:21:19,221 both Coca-Cola and Pepsi 515 00:21:19,255 --> 00:21:21,223 have now moved to increase their battle supplies. 516 00:21:21,257 --> 00:21:24,927 That was what was exciting about the '80s at Coca-Cola. 517 00:21:24,961 --> 00:21:28,197 Led by Roberto, implemented by Don, 518 00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:32,034 was this, "I'm sorry, we can't be the way we were in the past. 519 00:21:32,068 --> 00:21:35,037 "We've gone to sleep. We need to wake up. 520 00:21:35,071 --> 00:21:37,173 And everything's on the table." 521 00:21:37,206 --> 00:21:39,141 To counter the strides 522 00:21:39,175 --> 00:21:41,811 Pepsi had made in the 1970s with the Pepsi Challenge, 523 00:21:41,844 --> 00:21:44,546 Coke decided it needed to launch a new weapon 524 00:21:44,579 --> 00:21:46,816 in the fight against its challenger. 525 00:21:46,849 --> 00:21:48,884 Ladies and gentlemen, 526 00:21:48,918 --> 00:21:51,653 welcome to the world premiere of a great new soft drink. 527 00:21:51,687 --> 00:21:55,091 The world premiere of Diet Coke. 528 00:21:55,124 --> 00:21:57,760 ♪ Introducing Diet Coke ♪ 529 00:21:57,793 --> 00:22:00,229 And the company invested 530 00:22:00,262 --> 00:22:01,797 a tremendous amount of money at the time 531 00:22:01,831 --> 00:22:03,265 in a product launch, 532 00:22:03,299 --> 00:22:05,901 both in terms of advertising and promotion 533 00:22:05,935 --> 00:22:08,270 to draw as much attention to it as possible. 534 00:22:08,304 --> 00:22:10,672 Hey, you know what's new? Diet Coke. 535 00:22:10,706 --> 00:22:12,074 And you're going to drink it 536 00:22:12,108 --> 00:22:14,744 - just for the taste of it. - Yeah. 537 00:22:14,777 --> 00:22:16,746 It was a risk, because if it didn't work, 538 00:22:16,779 --> 00:22:20,249 it would have dragged down the Coca-Cola brand name. 539 00:22:20,282 --> 00:22:23,618 Coke had to think long and hard 540 00:22:23,651 --> 00:22:25,054 about bringing out Diet Coke, 541 00:22:25,087 --> 00:22:27,156 because it would have been the first product 542 00:22:27,189 --> 00:22:29,859 ever in the history of the Coca-Cola Company 543 00:22:29,892 --> 00:22:32,228 that had the word "Coke" in it but wasn't Coke. 544 00:22:32,261 --> 00:22:36,098 Roberto Goizueta was absolutely serious 545 00:22:36,132 --> 00:22:38,034 when he said "no sacred cows." 546 00:22:38,067 --> 00:22:39,769 And Diet Coke was actually 547 00:22:39,802 --> 00:22:41,337 probably the largest single example 548 00:22:41,370 --> 00:22:44,572 of sacrificing a sacred cow. 549 00:22:44,606 --> 00:22:48,110 Have you noticed how many men are drinking Diet Coke? 550 00:22:48,144 --> 00:22:50,112 - You like it? - It tastes great, 551 00:22:50,146 --> 00:22:51,881 and I don't even drink diet drinks. 552 00:22:51,914 --> 00:22:53,282 And if you think about it, in the '80s, 553 00:22:53,315 --> 00:22:55,751 that's when you suddenly had the emergence, also, 554 00:22:55,785 --> 00:22:58,154 of light beers, and light beers 555 00:22:58,187 --> 00:23:00,156 were marketed not just to women, but to men. 556 00:23:00,189 --> 00:23:04,126 And so it became acceptable for men to drink 557 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,128 reduced-calorie drinks. 558 00:23:06,162 --> 00:23:09,597 And Diet Coke was right there with it. 559 00:23:09,631 --> 00:23:12,802 Diet Coke, I think, made them realize 560 00:23:12,835 --> 00:23:17,006 literally if it was not hogwash 561 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:18,606 and it had the name Diet Coke, 562 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,209 people were going to drink it. 563 00:23:20,242 --> 00:23:23,212 And if it tasted good, you had a winner. 564 00:23:23,245 --> 00:23:24,880 To this very day I can remember getting 565 00:23:24,914 --> 00:23:26,048 my first Diet Coke and went, 566 00:23:26,082 --> 00:23:27,883 "Wow, gee whiz," you know? 567 00:23:27,917 --> 00:23:30,618 I knew it was coming out and I couldn't wait 568 00:23:30,652 --> 00:23:32,654 to somehow get my hands on it. 569 00:23:32,688 --> 00:23:35,991 The amazing thing about Diet Coke 570 00:23:36,025 --> 00:23:39,228 was that on the day that it was introduced, 571 00:23:39,261 --> 00:23:41,663 the day it started, 572 00:23:41,697 --> 00:23:46,268 it became the third best-selling soft drink in the world. 573 00:23:46,302 --> 00:23:48,904 Hello, I'm Brian Dyson, president of Coca-Cola U.S.A. 574 00:23:48,938 --> 00:23:51,040 To you who bottle Diet Coke, 575 00:23:51,073 --> 00:23:53,209 to you who load and drive the trucks, 576 00:23:53,242 --> 00:23:55,111 and to you who sell and serve Diet Coke, 577 00:23:55,144 --> 00:23:56,846 congratulations. 578 00:23:56,879 --> 00:23:58,814 You've just made Diet Coke 579 00:23:58,848 --> 00:24:01,083 not only America's leading diet drink, 580 00:24:01,117 --> 00:24:04,086 but the third-biggest soft drink of any kind. 581 00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:06,055 By the end of 1983, 582 00:24:06,088 --> 00:24:09,225 Diet Coke was the number-one-selling diet soda. 583 00:24:09,258 --> 00:24:11,026 But even more impressive: within a year, 584 00:24:11,060 --> 00:24:12,828 it replaced 7UP 585 00:24:12,862 --> 00:24:15,064 as the number three overall soft drink 586 00:24:15,097 --> 00:24:17,099 in the United States. 587 00:24:17,133 --> 00:24:18,968 For us, it wasn't good enough 588 00:24:19,001 --> 00:24:21,170 just to be the number one diet soft drink. 589 00:24:21,203 --> 00:24:23,973 If we're going to put the brand "Coke" on a diet soft drink, 590 00:24:24,006 --> 00:24:26,242 we felt that brand, that product, 591 00:24:26,275 --> 00:24:29,078 should be number two only to Coca-Cola. 592 00:24:29,111 --> 00:24:31,380 So from the very beginning in 1982, 593 00:24:31,413 --> 00:24:34,250 it was always our objective and our goal 594 00:24:34,283 --> 00:24:36,685 to make this the number two soft drink. 595 00:24:36,719 --> 00:24:40,222 Diet Coke grew so fast in '82 through '89, 596 00:24:40,256 --> 00:24:42,191 and when I joined the company 597 00:24:42,224 --> 00:24:44,293 it was the fastest-growing soft drink around the world 598 00:24:44,326 --> 00:24:46,996 as we started to bring it into other countries. 599 00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:49,298 Diet Coke stepping out 600 00:24:49,331 --> 00:24:51,767 and putting the flagship name on it 601 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,404 said this is moving into a new time. 602 00:24:55,437 --> 00:24:57,940 It was more contemporary, 603 00:24:57,973 --> 00:24:59,775 and it gave it a face-lift. 604 00:24:59,808 --> 00:25:03,479 So Pepsi and Diet Pepsi had some work to do. 605 00:25:03,512 --> 00:25:06,882 In 1983, Diet Coke bumped Coca-Cola's 606 00:25:06,916 --> 00:25:09,051 total market share by two points, 607 00:25:09,084 --> 00:25:11,921 while Pepsi's dropped nine-tenths of a point. 608 00:25:11,954 --> 00:25:14,924 It was the first time since the late 1970s 609 00:25:14,957 --> 00:25:17,960 that Coca-Cola was growing faster than Pepsi. 610 00:25:17,993 --> 00:25:20,763 Whatever Coke was doing, they were doing it to hit us, 611 00:25:20,796 --> 00:25:22,965 and whatever we were doing, we were doing to hit them. 612 00:25:22,998 --> 00:25:25,935 Every new idea, every strategy, every tactic, 613 00:25:25,968 --> 00:25:28,404 every package, every product, every piece of copy 614 00:25:28,437 --> 00:25:30,306 was clearly to win, 615 00:25:30,339 --> 00:25:32,341 and the win had to be taking share from the other guy. 616 00:25:32,374 --> 00:25:34,276 The soft drink business 617 00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:37,213 was a multi-billion-dollar industry in the 1980s. 618 00:25:37,246 --> 00:25:40,182 The stakes couldn't be higher for Coke's new leadership, 619 00:25:40,216 --> 00:25:41,417 as they were about to face a new adversary 620 00:25:41,450 --> 00:25:43,919 at the helm of Pepsi: 621 00:25:43,953 --> 00:25:47,790 a self-proclaimed cola warrior named Roger Enrico. 622 00:25:47,823 --> 00:25:49,391 Roger was an exceptionally talented 623 00:25:49,425 --> 00:25:51,860 sales and marketing executive 624 00:25:51,894 --> 00:25:53,162 who was the head of sales and marketing 625 00:25:53,195 --> 00:25:55,331 at our company-owned bottling plants, 626 00:25:55,364 --> 00:25:58,200 who later went on to become the CEO of PepsiCo. 627 00:25:58,234 --> 00:26:00,469 He was only 38 when he became president. 628 00:26:00,502 --> 00:26:02,004 He took big risks. 629 00:26:02,037 --> 00:26:04,373 He was bold in his actions. 630 00:26:04,406 --> 00:26:06,875 Sometimes... 631 00:26:06,909 --> 00:26:08,811 it was almost like, really? 632 00:26:08,844 --> 00:26:10,212 Are you really going to take a billboard 633 00:26:10,246 --> 00:26:11,914 outside of Coke headquarters? 634 00:26:11,947 --> 00:26:14,783 I mean, he wasn't shy about it. 635 00:26:14,817 --> 00:26:17,953 Most CEOs of major corporations 636 00:26:17,987 --> 00:26:20,422 don't involve themselves in the advertising. 637 00:26:20,456 --> 00:26:22,891 But when a CEO is involved 638 00:26:22,925 --> 00:26:25,160 as much as Roger was 639 00:26:25,194 --> 00:26:26,962 in the advertising product, 640 00:26:26,996 --> 00:26:29,531 it does change the dynamic considerably. 641 00:26:29,565 --> 00:26:31,500 As Enrico came to power, 642 00:26:31,533 --> 00:26:34,069 and just such a terrific insurgent, 643 00:26:34,103 --> 00:26:37,106 I mean, Coke's driving down the interstate, you know, 644 00:26:37,139 --> 00:26:39,208 with their eyes fixated on the rearview mirror, 645 00:26:39,241 --> 00:26:42,244 and every move he'd make, they'd make a move. 646 00:26:42,278 --> 00:26:44,546 So he was really dictating the dialogue. 647 00:26:44,580 --> 00:26:47,149 As Roger used to say, 648 00:26:47,182 --> 00:26:51,387 "A thousand small things, even if done very well, 649 00:26:51,420 --> 00:26:54,290 "would never add up to something big. 650 00:26:54,323 --> 00:26:57,359 "But a few big things, if done very well, 651 00:26:57,393 --> 00:26:59,328 could change the game." 652 00:26:59,361 --> 00:27:01,463 Business is all about a lot of very ordinary people 653 00:27:01,497 --> 00:27:03,165 who, if they're lucky, 654 00:27:03,198 --> 00:27:04,900 get a chance to do extraordinary things. 655 00:27:04,933 --> 00:27:06,468 And it's all about people trying to make something 656 00:27:06,502 --> 00:27:08,103 better than the other guy, 657 00:27:08,137 --> 00:27:09,571 and having a good time while they do it. 658 00:27:09,605 --> 00:27:11,340 As a strong number two, they were in a position 659 00:27:11,373 --> 00:27:14,176 to bring a full-frontal attack against number one. 660 00:27:14,209 --> 00:27:15,844 And he was the guy to do it. 661 00:27:15,878 --> 00:27:17,346 With Coke riding high 662 00:27:17,379 --> 00:27:19,148 on the success of Diet Coke, 663 00:27:19,181 --> 00:27:21,050 Pepsi needed to get back on the offensive. 664 00:27:21,083 --> 00:27:23,485 If anyone was ready to fight Coca-Cola head-on, 665 00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:25,454 it was Roger Enrico. 666 00:27:25,487 --> 00:27:29,291 When I became president of Pepsi two years ago, 667 00:27:29,325 --> 00:27:32,027 I thought this job would be fun. 668 00:27:32,061 --> 00:27:33,329 But this is getting ridiculous. 669 00:27:37,032 --> 00:27:38,500 In 1983 you were 38 years old. 670 00:27:38,534 --> 00:27:40,369 You've been with the company about 12 years. 671 00:27:40,402 --> 00:27:42,938 You want to describe those years since you took over 672 00:27:42,971 --> 00:27:45,407 and this whole war has been raging? 673 00:27:45,441 --> 00:27:47,309 Well, they certainly have been exciting years, 674 00:27:47,343 --> 00:27:48,610 there's no question about that. 675 00:27:48,644 --> 00:27:50,546 A lot of tension and a lot of fun. 676 00:27:50,579 --> 00:27:54,316 Roger Enrico deserves his title of cola warrior. 677 00:27:54,350 --> 00:27:56,985 He was this constant, "roll the dice, 678 00:27:57,019 --> 00:27:59,521 take the hill, hit the beaches" kind of guy. 679 00:27:59,555 --> 00:28:02,658 And the nature of the beast was Pepsi-Cola attracted people 680 00:28:02,692 --> 00:28:04,460 who were willing to do that, you had to do that, 681 00:28:04,493 --> 00:28:05,928 or you weren't going to win versus Coke. 682 00:28:05,961 --> 00:28:07,363 You had to be very aggressive. 683 00:28:07,396 --> 00:28:09,231 Imagery is extremely important, 684 00:28:09,264 --> 00:28:12,668 and for us it has been the difference 685 00:28:12,702 --> 00:28:15,604 between being an also-ran and being a leader. 686 00:28:15,637 --> 00:28:17,940 Roger was unapologetic 687 00:28:17,973 --> 00:28:23,045 in his effort to make things happen in big ways. 688 00:28:23,078 --> 00:28:25,547 He actually wanted to go after the next big idea. 689 00:28:25,581 --> 00:28:27,249 He wanted to put Pepsi on the map. 690 00:28:27,282 --> 00:28:29,118 He was a competitor, 691 00:28:29,151 --> 00:28:32,955 and he knew that the youthful generation 692 00:28:32,988 --> 00:28:34,456 was one of the ways to do that. 693 00:28:34,490 --> 00:28:36,558 And it was certainly one of the best ways 694 00:28:36,592 --> 00:28:39,395 to take market share from the leader, Coca-Cola. 695 00:28:39,428 --> 00:28:43,165 Major advertisers today who want to speak to young people 696 00:28:43,198 --> 00:28:45,134 are looking for that image association 697 00:28:45,167 --> 00:28:47,035 with their contemporary heroes, 698 00:28:47,069 --> 00:28:48,937 and rock stars have become contemporary heroes, 699 00:28:48,971 --> 00:28:51,106 particularly in the last decade. 700 00:28:51,140 --> 00:28:54,443 Jay Coleman was a colorful New York entrepreneur 701 00:28:54,476 --> 00:28:57,680 who had figured out that the time was right 702 00:28:57,714 --> 00:29:02,050 to merge the fast and furious world of rock and roll 703 00:29:02,084 --> 00:29:05,521 with the more staid world of consumer products. 704 00:29:05,554 --> 00:29:10,626 Jay Coleman's strategy was to try and call executives 705 00:29:10,659 --> 00:29:13,228 after he thought the secretary had left for the night. 706 00:29:13,262 --> 00:29:14,963 But that wasn't one of my M.O.'s 707 00:29:14,997 --> 00:29:17,399 I was working until Roger left. 708 00:29:17,433 --> 00:29:20,002 And the phone rang late, and I picked up the phone. 709 00:29:20,035 --> 00:29:21,738 And he said, "I want to talk to Roger 710 00:29:21,771 --> 00:29:23,472 about a potential sponsorship." 711 00:29:23,505 --> 00:29:25,674 And I said, "With who?" 712 00:29:25,708 --> 00:29:27,677 And he said, "Well, I'd like to speak to Roger." 713 00:29:27,710 --> 00:29:30,747 And I said, "Well, unless you tell me who is the person..." 714 00:29:30,780 --> 00:29:33,348 And he said, "Well, have you heard of Michael Jackson?" 715 00:29:33,382 --> 00:29:34,751 And I said, "Hold on." 716 00:29:36,786 --> 00:29:40,989 Michael Jackson was huge in 1984, he was the coolest. 717 00:29:41,023 --> 00:29:42,591 In the past year, Jackson has become 718 00:29:42,624 --> 00:29:44,993 one of the most successful recording stars 719 00:29:45,027 --> 00:29:46,395 in the history of the industry. 720 00:29:46,428 --> 00:29:48,263 He kept asking Jay, 721 00:29:48,297 --> 00:29:50,265 "How much is this going to cost me?" 722 00:29:50,299 --> 00:29:53,335 And Jay kept giving his pitch. 723 00:29:53,368 --> 00:29:55,037 And then he would say, 724 00:29:55,070 --> 00:29:56,405 "Jay, how much is this going to cost me?" 725 00:29:56,438 --> 00:29:58,240 And he said, "Five million." 726 00:29:58,273 --> 00:29:59,776 And I thought Roger was going to drop the phone. 727 00:29:59,809 --> 00:30:01,643 At that time, 728 00:30:01,678 --> 00:30:04,546 it sounded like an outrageous amount of money 729 00:30:04,580 --> 00:30:07,784 to be paying a celebrity, but just the idea 730 00:30:07,817 --> 00:30:11,453 and the newsworthiness around it was tremendous. 731 00:30:11,487 --> 00:30:13,188 There were no big debates. 732 00:30:13,222 --> 00:30:14,656 We didn't go out and do research. 733 00:30:14,691 --> 00:30:16,391 We didn't spend months figuring out, 734 00:30:16,425 --> 00:30:18,327 "Is this a good idea or is this a bad idea?" 735 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,163 We just did it because Roger thought it was a good idea. 736 00:30:21,196 --> 00:30:23,165 Well, I must say, the press conference in New York yesterday 737 00:30:23,198 --> 00:30:25,601 to announce that musical reunion of the Jacksons 738 00:30:25,634 --> 00:30:27,402 was a media circus. 739 00:30:27,436 --> 00:30:29,438 Promoter Don King, 740 00:30:29,471 --> 00:30:31,039 better known for his boxing shows and his hairdo, 741 00:30:31,073 --> 00:30:32,809 was the ringmaster. 742 00:30:32,842 --> 00:30:34,711 The news was that Michael and his five brothers 743 00:30:34,744 --> 00:30:36,545 will record their first album together in eight years 744 00:30:36,578 --> 00:30:38,614 next February, and then they'll go on the road 745 00:30:38,647 --> 00:30:40,549 to promote it in May. 746 00:30:40,582 --> 00:30:43,285 Michael was very excited at the press conference. 747 00:30:43,318 --> 00:30:45,587 He leaned over in Roger's ear and said, 748 00:30:45,621 --> 00:30:48,423 "I'm going to make Coke wish that they were Pepsi." 749 00:30:48,457 --> 00:30:51,593 The press conference was a very big idea, 750 00:30:51,627 --> 00:30:55,063 but then the next day there was pictures of Don King. 751 00:30:55,097 --> 00:30:57,366 You know, many pictures of Michael Jackson. 752 00:30:57,399 --> 00:30:59,401 There were stories about the sellers... 753 00:30:59,434 --> 00:31:01,603 not a word about Pepsi-Cola. 754 00:31:01,637 --> 00:31:03,472 Not a word. 755 00:31:03,505 --> 00:31:05,607 That was not a good day back at Pepsi. 756 00:31:05,641 --> 00:31:08,610 So the idea we had was 757 00:31:08,644 --> 00:31:12,180 let's leak somehow, to somebody, 758 00:31:12,214 --> 00:31:14,116 that, do you know how much Pepsi spent? 759 00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:16,451 They spent $5 million. 760 00:31:16,485 --> 00:31:18,253 Roger Enrico, president and chief executive officer 761 00:31:18,287 --> 00:31:19,689 of Pepsi-Cola, 762 00:31:19,722 --> 00:31:21,456 he's the guy who bet $5 million 763 00:31:21,490 --> 00:31:23,793 of his company's money, a history-making amount, 764 00:31:23,826 --> 00:31:26,194 for a celebrity commercial contract. 765 00:31:26,228 --> 00:31:28,330 That was the newsmaker, 766 00:31:28,363 --> 00:31:29,832 was how much money we had paid Michael Jackson. 767 00:31:29,866 --> 00:31:32,200 It was like, are you out of your mind? 768 00:31:32,234 --> 00:31:34,871 Of course, in the development of the campaign, 769 00:31:34,904 --> 00:31:38,775 we had jingle writers composing music 770 00:31:38,808 --> 00:31:42,411 that they thought might work well in the spot. 771 00:31:42,444 --> 00:31:44,814 And Michael basically said, 772 00:31:44,847 --> 00:31:48,550 why would you want to use some made-up music 773 00:31:48,584 --> 00:31:51,219 when you can use my music? 774 00:31:51,253 --> 00:31:52,588 We know the song is "Billie Jean," 775 00:31:52,621 --> 00:31:54,256 but he's not singing "Billie Jean." 776 00:31:54,289 --> 00:31:55,457 - What are the words? - No, he certainly isn't. 777 00:31:55,490 --> 00:31:57,259 He's singing Pepsi lyrics 778 00:31:57,292 --> 00:31:59,762 about the new Pepsi Generation. 779 00:31:59,796 --> 00:32:02,899 And that's what powered the two commercials that we shot. 780 00:32:02,932 --> 00:32:06,668 One on the back lot at Universal Studios 781 00:32:06,703 --> 00:32:09,204 and, of course, one at the Shrine Auditorium. 782 00:32:13,408 --> 00:32:15,277 The first take involved the choreography 783 00:32:15,310 --> 00:32:17,479 that had been planned for and agreed to, 784 00:32:17,512 --> 00:32:19,214 where his brothers came out and started singing 785 00:32:19,247 --> 00:32:21,483 the opening lines to the commercial. 786 00:32:21,516 --> 00:32:23,585 A curtain revealed a staircase. 787 00:32:23,619 --> 00:32:26,321 Michael was at the top of the staircase. 788 00:32:26,355 --> 00:32:29,859 And his choreography was that he would come down the steps, 789 00:32:29,892 --> 00:32:31,426 join his brothers at the microphone 790 00:32:31,460 --> 00:32:32,829 and continue with the commercial. 791 00:32:32,862 --> 00:32:34,831 As he left each step, 792 00:32:34,864 --> 00:32:37,599 the choreography dictated 793 00:32:37,633 --> 00:32:39,368 that little explosives took place on the steps 794 00:32:39,401 --> 00:32:40,837 that he left. 795 00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:43,205 The first take went off without a hitch. 796 00:32:43,238 --> 00:32:46,541 The final take, Michael had been asked 797 00:32:46,575 --> 00:32:51,246 to pause just an extra beat before dancing down the stairs. 798 00:32:52,715 --> 00:32:54,751 Oh, Michael! 799 00:32:54,784 --> 00:32:58,253 Rock star Michael Jackson was injured tonight in Los Angeles. 800 00:32:58,286 --> 00:32:59,822 Jackson was rushed to the hospital last night 801 00:32:59,856 --> 00:33:02,290 after a bizarre accident set his hair on fire 802 00:33:02,324 --> 00:33:04,794 while he was filming a television commercial. 803 00:33:04,827 --> 00:33:06,361 So the director wanted just one more take, 804 00:33:06,395 --> 00:33:08,931 and Michael came down those stairs. 805 00:33:08,965 --> 00:33:11,868 His hair ignited. It was pretty bad. 806 00:33:11,901 --> 00:33:16,438 It was, how can this happen to the greatest performer today? 807 00:33:16,471 --> 00:33:18,775 You know, he's going to burn himself at a Pepsi commercial. 808 00:33:18,808 --> 00:33:20,409 He didn't know he was on fire. 809 00:33:20,442 --> 00:33:21,510 He was still dancing, you know. 810 00:33:21,543 --> 00:33:23,278 And I guess he felt it, 811 00:33:23,311 --> 00:33:25,347 and he started patting his head. 812 00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:27,249 Seemed like he didn't know what was happening. 813 00:33:27,282 --> 00:33:28,918 Like something was in his hair and he started shaking it. 814 00:33:28,951 --> 00:33:30,787 And it was all blue and white. 815 00:33:30,820 --> 00:33:32,521 Girls started crying, 816 00:33:32,554 --> 00:33:34,523 and all the lights went off immediately. 817 00:33:34,556 --> 00:33:37,694 We thought it was part of the act that was going on. 818 00:33:37,727 --> 00:33:39,996 But actually, it was a tragedy. 819 00:33:41,496 --> 00:33:43,465 Jackson managed a weak wave 820 00:33:43,498 --> 00:33:45,500 to his fans as he was carried into the burn unit 821 00:33:45,534 --> 00:33:48,270 of the Brotman Medical Center in Los Angeles last night. 822 00:33:48,303 --> 00:33:50,907 The word was out there. He was disfigured. 823 00:33:50,940 --> 00:33:52,875 He's, you know, never going to dance again. 824 00:33:52,909 --> 00:33:54,376 He's never going to sing again. 825 00:33:54,409 --> 00:33:55,978 His whole head went up in flames. 826 00:33:56,012 --> 00:33:58,346 Despite the hysteria that greeted him, 827 00:33:58,380 --> 00:34:00,415 Jackson's second- and third-degree burns 828 00:34:00,449 --> 00:34:02,384 were not serious. 829 00:34:02,417 --> 00:34:06,388 He has a palm-sized area burn on the back of his scalp. 830 00:34:06,421 --> 00:34:08,623 They got a lot of attention with the hair-on-fire thing, 831 00:34:08,657 --> 00:34:10,659 because they almost killed our greatest pop star. 832 00:34:10,693 --> 00:34:13,261 The more word that's out there 833 00:34:13,295 --> 00:34:15,297 is the more excitement it builds. 834 00:34:15,330 --> 00:34:17,299 Everybody wants to see what's going on, what's going on. 835 00:34:19,468 --> 00:34:21,369 MTV presents 836 00:34:21,403 --> 00:34:24,339 another exclusive world premiere... 837 00:34:24,372 --> 00:34:25,607 commercial? 838 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,442 MTV was hot, 839 00:34:27,476 --> 00:34:28,811 and all of a sudden all our commercials 840 00:34:28,845 --> 00:34:30,479 are going on MTV for free. 841 00:34:34,349 --> 00:34:37,586 Oh, my gosh, I do remember the first time 842 00:34:37,619 --> 00:34:39,889 that I saw the ads. 843 00:34:39,922 --> 00:34:42,058 I was actually sitting at my desk. 844 00:34:42,091 --> 00:34:43,726 And I remember thinking to myself, 845 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,527 this is going to change everything. 846 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,563 This is going to transform this brand. 847 00:34:48,597 --> 00:34:50,599 It's going to transform this industry. 848 00:34:50,632 --> 00:34:51,801 This is it. 849 00:35:01,610 --> 00:35:03,612 ♪ You're a whole new generation ♪ 850 00:35:03,645 --> 00:35:05,848 ♪ You're dancing through the day ♪ 851 00:35:05,882 --> 00:35:09,719 ♪ You're grabbing for the magic on the run ♪ 852 00:35:09,752 --> 00:35:12,021 ♪ You're a whole new generation ♪ 853 00:35:12,054 --> 00:35:13,723 ♪ You're loving what you do ♪ 854 00:35:13,756 --> 00:35:16,358 ♪ Put a Pepsi in the motion ♪ 855 00:35:16,391 --> 00:35:18,593 ♪ The choice is up to you, hey ♪ 856 00:35:18,627 --> 00:35:21,998 ♪ You're the Pepsi generation ♪ 857 00:35:22,031 --> 00:35:24,100 It was magical. It was something that... 858 00:35:24,133 --> 00:35:28,336 I have goose bumps just thinking about it. 859 00:35:28,370 --> 00:35:32,407 ♪ And feel the Pepsi way ♪ 860 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,442 ♪ Taste the thrill of the day ♪ 861 00:35:34,476 --> 00:35:35,644 ♪ You're the Pepsi... ♪ 862 00:35:37,512 --> 00:35:39,514 It really set the stage 863 00:35:39,548 --> 00:35:42,651 for how big-time marketing campaigns 864 00:35:42,685 --> 00:35:45,453 would be viewed and covered and thought of, 865 00:35:45,487 --> 00:35:47,957 not only just for the branding opportunities, 866 00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:49,658 but also as an actual news event. 867 00:35:49,692 --> 00:35:51,626 Because of Michael, 868 00:35:51,660 --> 00:35:53,763 America now looks to Pepsi for a signal of what's new, 869 00:35:53,796 --> 00:35:55,497 what's hot and what's contemporary. 870 00:35:55,530 --> 00:35:59,501 It was the single biggest marketing moment 871 00:35:59,534 --> 00:36:01,804 in the history of Pepsi-Cola. 872 00:36:01,838 --> 00:36:05,473 It was a game-changing idea, 873 00:36:05,507 --> 00:36:08,744 whose ripple effects are still being felt today. 874 00:36:08,778 --> 00:36:11,013 ♪ I'm bad, I'm bad ♪ 875 00:36:11,047 --> 00:36:13,515 The controversy around Michael Jackson's 876 00:36:13,548 --> 00:36:16,518 personal life wouldn't emerge for many years. 877 00:36:16,551 --> 00:36:18,120 In 1984, he was indisputably 878 00:36:18,154 --> 00:36:20,589 the biggest pop star in the world. 879 00:36:20,622 --> 00:36:22,124 Pepsi's partnership with him 880 00:36:22,158 --> 00:36:24,426 would shake up the entire industry, 881 00:36:24,459 --> 00:36:27,029 and allow the underdog cola to push Coke's overall lead 882 00:36:27,063 --> 00:36:28,630 to under 5%. 883 00:36:33,002 --> 00:36:34,669 You know, we're a whole new generation. A mere sliver of what it used to be. 884 00:36:34,704 --> 00:36:37,807 A generation of new rhythms, new feelings, new styles. 885 00:36:41,677 --> 00:36:43,045 If you think about the celebrity culture 886 00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:44,579 that we live in right now, 887 00:36:44,613 --> 00:36:47,183 you can trace its roots right back 888 00:36:47,216 --> 00:36:50,485 to that first Michael Jackson commercial for Pepsi. 889 00:36:50,518 --> 00:36:53,890 I think that Michael Jackson doing Pepsi commercials 890 00:36:53,923 --> 00:36:55,590 opened up to the entertainment community 891 00:36:55,624 --> 00:36:57,960 that doing commercials were going to be okay, 892 00:36:57,994 --> 00:36:59,195 that they were going to be treated 893 00:36:59,228 --> 00:37:00,997 with creative respectability, 894 00:37:01,030 --> 00:37:02,932 and that in many cases, 895 00:37:02,965 --> 00:37:04,867 it would be good for their career. 896 00:37:14,010 --> 00:37:15,644 ♪ The beat of a generation... ♪ 897 00:37:15,678 --> 00:37:17,146 Lionel Richie was the "it" man 898 00:37:17,179 --> 00:37:19,481 in the music industry. 899 00:37:19,514 --> 00:37:22,852 And so having Pepsi kind of tied in 900 00:37:22,885 --> 00:37:24,787 with the biggest and the best 901 00:37:24,820 --> 00:37:27,123 was always something that we were looking for. 902 00:37:27,156 --> 00:37:29,725 It became, in the industry, 903 00:37:29,759 --> 00:37:31,493 the crown jewel. 904 00:37:31,526 --> 00:37:34,997 Everyone wanted to go out and to get Pepsi 905 00:37:35,031 --> 00:37:37,033 to kind of basically endorse them. 906 00:37:37,066 --> 00:37:39,567 - ♪ The choice is mine ♪ - ♪ Satisfies me ♪ 907 00:37:39,601 --> 00:37:41,103 ♪ Choice is mine ♪ 908 00:37:41,137 --> 00:37:43,039 Advertising is meant to portray Pepsi 909 00:37:43,072 --> 00:37:45,640 as on the leading edge of what's happening today, 910 00:37:45,674 --> 00:37:47,977 and we're merging the images of these fine stars 911 00:37:48,010 --> 00:37:49,779 with the image of our product, 912 00:37:49,812 --> 00:37:51,781 and we think it's a lot of fun for the consumers, 913 00:37:51,814 --> 00:37:53,548 and it certainly works for us. 914 00:37:53,581 --> 00:37:55,184 Instead of advertising "we taste better," 915 00:37:55,217 --> 00:37:57,687 or "we're a great brand because..." 916 00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:01,656 Pepsi was advertising a feeling. 917 00:38:01,691 --> 00:38:03,591 And they really tapped into youth culture 918 00:38:03,625 --> 00:38:05,593 with the Pepsi Generation. 919 00:38:05,627 --> 00:38:08,563 The creation and the launch of the Pepsi Generation 920 00:38:08,596 --> 00:38:12,902 was really the first national ad campaign 921 00:38:12,935 --> 00:38:16,872 to celebrate the user of the product 922 00:38:16,906 --> 00:38:20,608 instead of the product itself. 923 00:38:20,642 --> 00:38:22,111 ♪ We're a whole new ♪ 924 00:38:22,144 --> 00:38:24,246 ♪ Generation ♪ 925 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,514 The strategy was really to reflect the user. 926 00:38:26,548 --> 00:38:28,150 What did the product mean as a symbol, 927 00:38:28,184 --> 00:38:29,952 or as we call it, a necktie? 928 00:38:29,986 --> 00:38:32,254 The expression "necktie" came from the idea 929 00:38:32,288 --> 00:38:35,791 that a necktie has no real purpose. 930 00:38:35,825 --> 00:38:38,593 The purpose it serves is to reflect the person who uses it, 931 00:38:38,626 --> 00:38:40,096 which then became the breakthrough. 932 00:38:40,129 --> 00:38:41,831 Remember that we're talking about 933 00:38:41,864 --> 00:38:43,733 essentially two brown sugar waters. 934 00:38:43,766 --> 00:38:48,771 So layering on a personality onto water was a task. 935 00:38:48,804 --> 00:38:51,907 Hi, I just moved in next door, 936 00:38:51,941 --> 00:38:54,910 and I was wondering, could I borrow a Diet Pepsi? 937 00:38:54,944 --> 00:38:56,245 Diet Pepsi? 938 00:38:56,278 --> 00:38:58,080 Sure. 939 00:38:58,114 --> 00:38:59,982 The job of the challenger is to say, 940 00:39:00,016 --> 00:39:01,884 "Well, you're the establishment. 941 00:39:01,917 --> 00:39:04,552 "If you want to be young and new and hip and vibrant, 942 00:39:04,586 --> 00:39:06,554 "you need to go against the establishment. 943 00:39:06,588 --> 00:39:08,190 "Go against your mom and dad's brand, 944 00:39:08,224 --> 00:39:10,793 "and go with my brand. 945 00:39:10,826 --> 00:39:12,161 I'm the teen brand. I'm the youth brand." 946 00:39:12,194 --> 00:39:14,163 And that's exactly what PepsiCo did. 947 00:39:14,196 --> 00:39:16,032 Do you want me to do a spit take 948 00:39:16,065 --> 00:39:17,867 where I just am disgusted and spit it straight at you? 949 00:39:19,667 --> 00:39:22,038 Pepsi Challenge, take two, marker. 950 00:39:23,873 --> 00:39:25,975 Smells delicious. 951 00:39:26,008 --> 00:39:27,843 Really caramel-y. 952 00:39:27,877 --> 00:39:29,211 They both have a lot... 953 00:39:29,245 --> 00:39:31,013 different things going for them. 954 00:39:31,047 --> 00:39:32,314 This one's sweeter. 955 00:39:32,348 --> 00:39:33,883 This one's caramelier, sweeter. 956 00:39:33,916 --> 00:39:35,184 This one has... 957 00:39:35,217 --> 00:39:37,319 it's more exciting, for sure. 958 00:39:37,353 --> 00:39:40,356 This one's much tamer. 959 00:39:40,389 --> 00:39:42,158 Much softer. 960 00:39:42,191 --> 00:39:43,859 A little darker and heavier. 961 00:39:43,893 --> 00:39:45,327 I think I'm going to go with this one. 962 00:39:45,361 --> 00:39:47,163 But I like them both. 963 00:39:47,196 --> 00:39:49,098 I do think it's Coke. 964 00:39:51,734 --> 00:39:53,369 But they're both delicious. 965 00:39:53,402 --> 00:39:56,739 I could see why people could drink a lot of this. 966 00:39:56,772 --> 00:39:58,606 By the mid-1980s, 967 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,776 coming out of the Michael Jackson campaign, 968 00:40:00,810 --> 00:40:02,778 Pepsi had firmly established themselves 969 00:40:02,812 --> 00:40:05,647 as the edgier, more youthful cola. 970 00:40:05,681 --> 00:40:07,049 But would that be enough to topple 971 00:40:07,083 --> 00:40:09,651 the traditional, iconic Real Thing? 972 00:40:09,685 --> 00:40:11,253 Pepsi was the challenger brand. 973 00:40:11,287 --> 00:40:12,788 They were number two, 974 00:40:12,822 --> 00:40:15,291 and so you do things to get attention. 975 00:40:15,324 --> 00:40:18,127 Certainly Pepsi has always been a little more outrageous 976 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,262 in terms of some of the things that they do. 977 00:40:20,296 --> 00:40:22,298 It's worked on occasion. 978 00:40:22,331 --> 00:40:26,702 Coke wants to be absolutely contemporary, 979 00:40:26,735 --> 00:40:29,805 but you don't want to offend your older consumers. 980 00:40:29,839 --> 00:40:32,341 Coke has always had to stay more realistic. 981 00:40:32,374 --> 00:40:35,878 ♪ Look out, America see what we got ♪ 982 00:40:35,911 --> 00:40:40,116 ♪ We got the Real Thing ♪ 983 00:40:40,149 --> 00:40:44,086 We relied on the same levers for a long time, 984 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,156 and I think Pepsi coming into the game 985 00:40:47,189 --> 00:40:50,292 in a more aggressive way helped us get stronger. 986 00:40:50,326 --> 00:40:53,762 Well, you could look at the Coke and Pepsi battle 987 00:40:53,796 --> 00:40:55,264 as professional wrestling. 988 00:40:55,297 --> 00:40:56,966 Essentially, these guys would go up 989 00:40:56,999 --> 00:40:59,435 and beat each other up in the arena, 990 00:40:59,468 --> 00:41:01,669 go back down to the locker room, dust themselves off 991 00:41:01,704 --> 00:41:03,973 and divide a couple of billion dollars, 992 00:41:04,006 --> 00:41:06,408 because they were growing the market with that competition. 993 00:41:06,442 --> 00:41:08,210 They were creating the market. 994 00:41:08,244 --> 00:41:10,312 That kind of competition defines... 995 00:41:10,346 --> 00:41:11,814 well, it defines everywhere, 996 00:41:11,847 --> 00:41:13,215 but it certainly defines America. 997 00:41:13,249 --> 00:41:14,984 Coke and Pepsi, not satisfied 998 00:41:15,017 --> 00:41:17,086 with saturating this planet with cola, 999 00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:18,921 will now battle it out in space. 1000 00:41:18,954 --> 00:41:20,256 After weeks of what was described 1001 00:41:20,289 --> 00:41:22,291 as highly sensitive negotiations, 1002 00:41:22,324 --> 00:41:24,760 NASA has agreed to carry both colas 1003 00:41:24,793 --> 00:41:26,195 on the next space shuttle. 1004 00:41:26,228 --> 00:41:28,097 In 1985, 1005 00:41:28,130 --> 00:41:29,999 Pepsi and Coke would take the cola wars 1006 00:41:30,032 --> 00:41:32,334 through the stratosphere, each vying for the claim 1007 00:41:32,368 --> 00:41:35,304 of first soda in space. 1008 00:41:35,337 --> 00:41:37,273 Apparently, Pepsi had been talking to NASA 1009 00:41:37,306 --> 00:41:39,475 about the possibility at some point 1010 00:41:39,508 --> 00:41:42,945 of being the first to have their soda pop in space. 1011 00:41:42,978 --> 00:41:45,814 And suddenly Coke was the one going to space, 1012 00:41:45,848 --> 00:41:48,417 and that didn't make Pepsi too happy. 1013 00:41:48,450 --> 00:41:50,819 We were very excited that we were gonna be able to do this, 1014 00:41:50,853 --> 00:41:55,191 and in effect become the first soft drink in outer space. 1015 00:41:55,224 --> 00:41:58,027 I think this is an indication of how serious 1016 00:41:58,060 --> 00:42:00,229 both sides are taking this, 1017 00:42:00,262 --> 00:42:03,999 that they'll leave no stone nor star unturned. 1018 00:42:04,033 --> 00:42:07,336 The challenger always thinks he should be getting 1019 00:42:07,369 --> 00:42:09,238 what the number one should be getting, 1020 00:42:09,271 --> 00:42:11,974 and the number one thinks, no, I'm number one, 1021 00:42:12,007 --> 00:42:14,476 so I get to be the first one to be tasted in space. 1022 00:42:14,510 --> 00:42:16,378 At a news conference yesterday, 1023 00:42:16,412 --> 00:42:19,014 Coke and Pepsi representatives squared off 1024 00:42:19,048 --> 00:42:20,816 over their much-publicized shuttle challenge. 1025 00:42:20,849 --> 00:42:23,852 We'd enjoy the free advertising, 1026 00:42:23,886 --> 00:42:25,821 and I'd also take it a step further 1027 00:42:25,854 --> 00:42:28,490 and I wish they'd do a taste test up there. 1028 00:42:28,524 --> 00:42:30,092 If they want to taste... their tasters, 1029 00:42:30,125 --> 00:42:32,861 that's NASA's job, I don't care. 1030 00:42:32,895 --> 00:42:34,797 We know we'll come out ahead. 1031 00:42:34,830 --> 00:42:36,799 They said that Coca-Cola's zero-gravity container 1032 00:42:36,832 --> 00:42:39,134 worked better than Pepsi's, but as for taste, 1033 00:42:39,168 --> 00:42:41,437 well, both soft drinks lost. 1034 00:42:41,470 --> 00:42:43,806 The reason? No refrigeration. 1035 00:42:43,839 --> 00:42:45,808 As Commander Gordon Fullerton said, 1036 00:42:45,841 --> 00:42:49,211 "Warm cola is not on anyone's list of favorite things." 1037 00:42:49,245 --> 00:42:51,046 Pepsi and Coke's quest 1038 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,816 to become the first giant sip for all mankind 1039 00:42:53,849 --> 00:42:55,184 may have ended in a stalemate, 1040 00:43:00,155 --> 00:43:03,425 What a wonderful idea, Helen, to serve Coca-Cola at home. 1041 00:43:03,459 --> 00:43:05,160 While Pepsi dedicated 1042 00:43:05,194 --> 00:43:06,528 tremendous resources to their campaigns 1043 00:43:06,562 --> 00:43:08,530 with top musicians, 1044 00:43:08,564 --> 00:43:11,000 Coke had long enjoyed an unchallenged dominance 1045 00:43:11,033 --> 00:43:12,801 on the big screen. 1046 00:43:12,835 --> 00:43:14,970 Are you okay? 1047 00:43:18,474 --> 00:43:21,110 Too much excitement, huh? 1048 00:43:21,143 --> 00:43:22,911 Want a Coke? 1049 00:43:22,945 --> 00:43:26,382 Coca-Cola as a brand and the imagery, 1050 00:43:26,415 --> 00:43:28,584 the signage, the vending machines, 1051 00:43:28,617 --> 00:43:31,487 the bottles have always been a part of the movies. 1052 00:43:33,555 --> 00:43:35,924 It was marketing in its pure form. 1053 00:43:35,958 --> 00:43:38,527 It was integrated marketing before there was such a thing, 1054 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,964 because it was in the content, but it was authentic 1055 00:43:41,997 --> 00:43:43,565 to the way the brand was enjoyed. 1056 00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:46,268 Riff, do you ever stop to figure 1057 00:43:46,302 --> 00:43:47,836 how many bubbles there are 1058 00:43:47,870 --> 00:43:49,838 in one bottle of this here soda pop? 1059 00:43:49,872 --> 00:43:51,240 They would come to Coca-Cola. 1060 00:43:51,273 --> 00:43:52,875 We had a guy out there who would read 1061 00:43:52,908 --> 00:43:54,977 all the scripts that were sent to him, saying, 1062 00:43:55,010 --> 00:43:57,346 "Gee, if we had Coca-Cola here, 1063 00:43:57,379 --> 00:44:01,116 "if we had a sign here or a cooler there in the movie, 1064 00:44:01,150 --> 00:44:03,185 that would help establish the period." 1065 00:44:03,218 --> 00:44:05,554 So we became a part of that pop culture, 1066 00:44:05,587 --> 00:44:07,489 which also helped build the brand. 1067 00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:17,266 Roger was on a plane and he was watching a movie, 1068 00:44:17,299 --> 00:44:20,602 and he saw Coke in a lot of the scenes in the movie, 1069 00:44:20,636 --> 00:44:23,872 and couldn't understand why it was that Pepsi 1070 00:44:23,906 --> 00:44:26,241 wasn't ensconced in that world. 1071 00:44:26,275 --> 00:44:28,877 And so he worked with a company called Davie Brown, 1072 00:44:28,911 --> 00:44:31,213 and their effort was really about, 1073 00:44:31,246 --> 00:44:34,316 how do we get product placement in movies? 1074 00:44:34,350 --> 00:44:36,318 Are you going to order something, kid? 1075 00:44:36,352 --> 00:44:38,320 All right, give me a Pepsi Free. 1076 00:44:38,354 --> 00:44:41,156 You want a Pepsi, pal, you're gonna pay for it. 1077 00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:43,525 For Pepsi, the big breakthrough 1078 00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:45,627 was "Back to the Future." 1079 00:44:45,661 --> 00:44:50,666 Pepsi became not just product placement, 1080 00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:54,970 but it became almost like a character in the film. 1081 00:44:55,003 --> 00:44:58,173 So when Michael J. Fox was in "Back to the Future" 1082 00:44:58,207 --> 00:45:00,309 and Pepsi had all that product placement in the movie, 1083 00:45:00,342 --> 00:45:02,144 it was a home run. 1084 00:45:02,177 --> 00:45:04,446 That movie kind of opened everyone's eyes 1085 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,950 to a new way of promoting the brand, 1086 00:45:07,983 --> 00:45:10,519 and also kind of chipping away at some of the work 1087 00:45:10,552 --> 00:45:13,389 that Coke had been doing, and probably, quite frankly, 1088 00:45:13,422 --> 00:45:15,257 taking for granted, 1089 00:45:15,290 --> 00:45:17,493 because they'd just been doing it for so long. 1090 00:45:17,526 --> 00:45:19,461 Yeah, I think it was a deliberate strategy 1091 00:45:19,495 --> 00:45:21,630 and a statement about their brand. 1092 00:45:21,663 --> 00:45:24,299 But probably 90% of the films that had drinks in them 1093 00:45:24,333 --> 00:45:27,269 had Coca-Cola that year, so I think we were just fine. 1094 00:45:27,302 --> 00:45:29,638 Look at all the junk food. 1095 00:45:29,671 --> 00:45:31,974 Not only were the cola wars 1096 00:45:32,007 --> 00:45:33,542 being waged in major Hollywood films, 1097 00:45:33,575 --> 00:45:36,311 eventually soda commercials themselves 1098 00:45:36,345 --> 00:45:38,347 became mini movies. 1099 00:45:38,380 --> 00:45:40,182 We're ready to send you back in time. 1100 00:45:40,215 --> 00:45:43,552 Now remember, you're going back before television. 1101 00:45:43,585 --> 00:45:45,487 Even before soft drinks. 1102 00:45:45,521 --> 00:45:46,723 There was this sort of renaissance 1103 00:45:46,756 --> 00:45:49,158 of advertising in the '80s, 1104 00:45:49,191 --> 00:45:53,730 where they started hiring these big-name directors. 1105 00:45:53,763 --> 00:45:55,531 People like Ridley Scott. 1106 00:46:08,444 --> 00:46:11,613 I mean, "Spaceship" was a commercial 1107 00:46:11,647 --> 00:46:14,516 that was never done before. It was like a mini film. 1108 00:46:19,722 --> 00:46:22,759 We had commercials that they couldn't even dream of. 1109 00:46:22,792 --> 00:46:25,494 Especially the "Archaeology" commercial. 1110 00:46:25,527 --> 00:46:28,765 What is it? 1111 00:46:28,798 --> 00:46:31,133 I have no idea. 1112 00:46:31,166 --> 00:46:35,037 Imagine a future where not only was Pepsi outselling Coke, 1113 00:46:35,070 --> 00:46:37,339 but Coke didn't even exist anymore, 1114 00:46:37,372 --> 00:46:42,411 which was really much more of a hard chop to Coke's ribs. 1115 00:46:42,444 --> 00:46:45,414 I've discovered a real pop star. 1116 00:46:45,447 --> 00:46:48,751 Pepsi was always poking at Coca-Cola. 1117 00:46:48,785 --> 00:46:51,553 Coca-Cola decided the best way to respond to that 1118 00:46:51,587 --> 00:46:54,223 was to take the number three soft drink brand, Diet Coke, 1119 00:46:54,256 --> 00:46:57,659 which was growing much faster than Pepsi or Diet Pepsi, 1120 00:46:57,694 --> 00:47:01,296 and position our Diet Coke business right against Pepsi, 1121 00:47:01,330 --> 00:47:04,767 and thereby separating regular Coke from that battle. 1122 00:47:04,801 --> 00:47:07,202 And I think we did that very, very successfully. 1123 00:47:07,236 --> 00:47:09,806 I'm just not satisfied anymore. 1124 00:47:09,839 --> 00:47:12,107 For years, it was sweet with a capital S. 1125 00:47:12,140 --> 00:47:14,209 But now I'm changing more than my clothes. 1126 00:47:14,243 --> 00:47:17,212 I've discovered something that fits my style. 1127 00:47:17,246 --> 00:47:18,480 Well, there couldn't be a challenger 1128 00:47:18,514 --> 00:47:20,215 if there weren't a champ. 1129 00:47:20,249 --> 00:47:22,618 And I had learned from politics 1130 00:47:22,651 --> 00:47:24,520 that when you position yourself, 1131 00:47:24,553 --> 00:47:26,355 you should also try to position the opposition. 1132 00:47:26,388 --> 00:47:28,423 Up until that point, 1133 00:47:28,457 --> 00:47:31,159 it was pretty rare for brands to name their competition. 1134 00:47:31,193 --> 00:47:35,430 Coke and Pepsi pretty much let down the guard, 1135 00:47:35,464 --> 00:47:36,665 and they no longer were just gonna be 1136 00:47:36,699 --> 00:47:38,300 sort of dignified with each other. 1137 00:47:38,333 --> 00:47:39,668 They were actually going to kind of 1138 00:47:39,702 --> 00:47:41,336 go to battle on the airwaves too. 1139 00:47:41,370 --> 00:47:43,840 We've got numbers one and three. 1140 00:47:43,873 --> 00:47:46,508 We've got Pepsi up a tree. 1141 00:47:46,542 --> 00:47:49,244 - Sound off. - Diet Coke. 1142 00:47:49,278 --> 00:47:51,781 - Knockoff. - Number two. 1143 00:47:51,814 --> 00:47:53,448 The war between Coke and Pepsi 1144 00:47:53,482 --> 00:47:55,250 was reaching a fever pitch, 1145 00:47:55,284 --> 00:47:57,486 but no one anticipated the way one company 1146 00:47:57,519 --> 00:48:00,355 would escalate the war in 1985, 1147 00:48:00,389 --> 00:48:02,558 shocking the world with a game-changing strategy 1148 00:48:02,591 --> 00:48:05,762 even their own employees never saw coming. 1149 00:48:09,598 --> 00:48:13,302 Here we go. You ready? 1150 00:48:13,335 --> 00:48:15,470 This is really easy. 1151 00:48:15,504 --> 00:48:17,239 This is Pepsi, and this is what I drank growing up. 1152 00:48:17,272 --> 00:48:18,808 And this is Coke. 1153 00:48:18,841 --> 00:48:22,244 I don't even have to taste the other one. 1154 00:48:22,277 --> 00:48:23,478 ♪ Open up ♪ 1155 00:48:23,512 --> 00:48:25,280 ♪ Look around ♪ 1156 00:48:25,314 --> 00:48:27,850 ♪ People's tastes are changing ♪ 1157 00:48:27,884 --> 00:48:31,219 Because of the intensity of the advertising 1158 00:48:31,253 --> 00:48:32,689 and the marketing and the presence, 1159 00:48:32,722 --> 00:48:35,223 it created a connection between consumers. 1160 00:48:35,257 --> 00:48:37,694 They were stronger than you typically find with products. 1161 00:48:37,727 --> 00:48:40,395 And so, yeah, Coke drinkers were Coke drinkers, 1162 00:48:40,429 --> 00:48:43,332 and Pepsi drinkers were Pepsi drinkers. 1163 00:48:43,365 --> 00:48:46,234 You were a Coke person, and Pepsi people were bad. 1164 00:48:46,268 --> 00:48:48,403 Like, truly morally inferior. 1165 00:48:48,437 --> 00:48:49,806 And you would not cross that line, 1166 00:48:49,839 --> 00:48:51,373 no matter how thirsty you were. 1167 00:48:51,406 --> 00:48:53,910 I didn't know any Coke people. 1168 00:48:53,943 --> 00:48:55,377 I didn't want to know any Coke people. 1169 00:48:55,410 --> 00:48:57,814 They were traitors to me. 1170 00:48:57,847 --> 00:49:00,315 In fact, I'm surprised we didn't just divide the country 1171 00:49:00,349 --> 00:49:02,484 and put our own sort of pop wall up. 1172 00:49:02,517 --> 00:49:05,755 Coke people up there, Pepsi people over here. 1173 00:49:05,788 --> 00:49:07,690 It felt like that. 1174 00:49:10,693 --> 00:49:12,729 So no letters on these, I see. 1175 00:49:13,796 --> 00:49:15,564 Oh, is it? 1176 00:49:15,597 --> 00:49:18,266 Do I like X letter better or Y better? 1177 00:49:20,602 --> 00:49:22,805 It is interesting that once you know, 1178 00:49:22,839 --> 00:49:24,539 you can taste the differences. 1179 00:49:24,573 --> 00:49:25,842 But when you don't know, 1180 00:49:25,875 --> 00:49:28,276 it's really hard to taste the difference. 1181 00:49:28,310 --> 00:49:31,213 Wow. Both really good. 1182 00:49:31,246 --> 00:49:32,782 I almost want to say it's the same thing, 1183 00:49:32,815 --> 00:49:34,583 but I think that's Coke and that's Pepsi. 1184 00:49:34,616 --> 00:49:37,519 - Coke, Pepsi. - Now you can reveal. 1185 00:49:41,390 --> 00:49:44,626 Wow. That's interesting. 1186 00:49:44,660 --> 00:49:47,562 I just like Pepsi. I've always liked Pepsi. 1187 00:49:47,596 --> 00:49:50,298 Used to drive 4 or 5 blocks out of my way to get Coca-Cola. 1188 00:49:50,332 --> 00:49:55,303 What you had was carbonated, flavored sugar water. 1189 00:49:55,337 --> 00:49:56,806 No one needed this. 1190 00:49:56,839 --> 00:49:59,842 Had Coke and Pepsi never been invented, 1191 00:49:59,876 --> 00:50:02,712 life would have chugged along quite well without them. 1192 00:50:02,745 --> 00:50:05,313 These were unessential products. 1193 00:50:05,347 --> 00:50:06,949 And so consequently, 1194 00:50:06,983 --> 00:50:09,919 that genius behind all of this 1195 00:50:09,952 --> 00:50:13,321 is that the advertising was creating 1196 00:50:13,355 --> 00:50:15,925 emotional bonds with consumers. 1197 00:50:15,958 --> 00:50:18,560 Oh, I wouldn't have nothing else. 1198 00:50:18,593 --> 00:50:22,397 Coca-Cola, like I said, it really is the best. 1199 00:50:22,431 --> 00:50:24,767 By this time you had Pepsi fully ensconced 1200 00:50:24,801 --> 00:50:26,703 in the northeast. 1201 00:50:26,736 --> 00:50:28,805 You had Coca-Cola from the south. 1202 00:50:28,838 --> 00:50:33,308 You had huge geographical preferences within the brands. 1203 00:50:33,341 --> 00:50:35,878 Then you have these ads where they're going after each other 1204 00:50:35,912 --> 00:50:37,780 in a way that really said to consumers, 1205 00:50:37,814 --> 00:50:40,449 "You needed to pick," and people did pick. 1206 00:50:40,482 --> 00:50:41,718 At the peak of Coca-Cola's 1207 00:50:41,751 --> 00:50:43,452 mid-century dominance, 1208 00:50:43,485 --> 00:50:45,520 their market share hovered around 60% 1209 00:50:45,554 --> 00:50:47,556 of total soft drink sales. 1210 00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:49,458 But by 1984, 1211 00:50:49,491 --> 00:50:51,828 their share dropped to just under 22%, 1212 00:50:51,861 --> 00:50:55,330 in large part due to Pepsi's unrelenting insurgence. 1213 00:50:55,363 --> 00:50:57,900 For Coke, the Pepsi Challenge 1214 00:50:57,934 --> 00:51:02,004 combined with the Michael Jackson advertising campaign, 1215 00:51:02,038 --> 00:51:06,676 caused them to say, "We've got to do something." 1216 00:51:06,709 --> 00:51:08,577 The sun will rise in the west 1217 00:51:08,610 --> 00:51:12,380 and set in the east before Pepsi outsells Coke. 1218 00:51:12,414 --> 00:51:16,986 So they went into crisis mode. 1219 00:51:17,019 --> 00:51:19,822 What do we do? How do we fend this off? 1220 00:51:19,856 --> 00:51:22,457 The top brass at Coca-Cola needed someone 1221 00:51:22,491 --> 00:51:25,293 with bold ideas to drastically shake things up. 1222 00:51:25,327 --> 00:51:27,063 Marketing expert Sergio Zyman 1223 00:51:27,096 --> 00:51:29,431 was the perfect man for the job. 1224 00:51:29,464 --> 00:51:31,433 I don't think anybody would invite Sergio to lunch 1225 00:51:31,466 --> 00:51:33,736 unless they wanted things shaken up. 1226 00:51:33,770 --> 00:51:36,304 I mean, he's just... 1227 00:51:36,338 --> 00:51:38,741 "iconoclastic" would be a euphemism. 1228 00:51:38,775 --> 00:51:42,979 Sergio Zyman was one of those rare individuals 1229 00:51:43,012 --> 00:51:45,647 that actually served time on both sides of the battle lines. 1230 00:51:45,681 --> 00:51:49,618 He started at Pepsi and ended up at Coca-Cola. 1231 00:51:49,651 --> 00:51:52,955 Sergio recognized that all the news 1232 00:51:52,989 --> 00:51:56,025 over the last five or ten years had been about Pepsi. 1233 00:51:56,058 --> 00:52:00,428 Somehow, Coke had to re-establish themself 1234 00:52:00,462 --> 00:52:03,099 as the leader. 1235 00:52:03,132 --> 00:52:05,701 Even since the beginning of the Pepsi Challenge, 1236 00:52:05,735 --> 00:52:07,502 when it became clear to Coke 1237 00:52:07,536 --> 00:52:09,906 that on a sip basis Pepsi could beat Coke, 1238 00:52:09,939 --> 00:52:12,474 there'd been word going on among the scientists 1239 00:52:12,507 --> 00:52:14,043 and among our market research group 1240 00:52:14,076 --> 00:52:15,978 to look for a product that was better. 1241 00:52:16,012 --> 00:52:17,814 And they started thinking, 1242 00:52:17,847 --> 00:52:20,549 "I wonder if we should tweak our formula?" 1243 00:52:20,582 --> 00:52:22,350 "If people are preferring the taste of Pepsi 1244 00:52:22,384 --> 00:52:24,086 "because of the sweet profile, 1245 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,655 maybe ours needs to be sweeter too." 1246 00:52:26,689 --> 00:52:29,759 In February of 1985, 1247 00:52:29,792 --> 00:52:33,528 Sergio Zyman called one of his quarterly strategy meetings. 1248 00:52:33,562 --> 00:52:36,699 My boss at the time was a fella named Tony Tortorici, 1249 00:52:36,732 --> 00:52:38,567 and for several months he seemed to be 1250 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,669 somewhat secretive, and wasn't sharing certain things, 1251 00:52:40,703 --> 00:52:42,138 so knew something was going on, 1252 00:52:42,171 --> 00:52:43,840 but we didn't know exactly what. 1253 00:52:43,873 --> 00:52:45,808 It was like taking a blood oath. 1254 00:52:45,842 --> 00:52:50,046 This was a full-scale top secret event. 1255 00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:52,014 When we walked into the conference room, 1256 00:52:52,048 --> 00:52:53,582 we learned we were there to talk about 1257 00:52:53,615 --> 00:52:55,483 the launch of a new Coke. 1258 00:52:55,517 --> 00:52:58,120 I was completely taken by surprise. 1259 00:52:58,154 --> 00:53:01,556 The idea that we needed to change our formula 1260 00:53:01,590 --> 00:53:03,491 in order to compete successfully 1261 00:53:03,525 --> 00:53:05,995 in the marketplace, it was a shock. 1262 00:53:06,028 --> 00:53:07,629 But I sat there with my mouth open. 1263 00:53:07,662 --> 00:53:09,664 I thought, "Wow." 1264 00:53:09,699 --> 00:53:12,168 The formula of Coca-Cola was always seen as something 1265 00:53:12,201 --> 00:53:14,636 that would never change, and it never had. 1266 00:53:14,669 --> 00:53:16,806 The need for secrecy was great. 1267 00:53:16,839 --> 00:53:20,076 It's like being brought into a fraternity or a sorority. 1268 00:53:20,109 --> 00:53:22,979 And you're like, wow, look at all these high-powered guys. 1269 00:53:23,012 --> 00:53:26,048 And then they say, "And guess what we're gonna do. 1270 00:53:26,082 --> 00:53:28,450 We're going to change the taste of Coke." 1271 00:53:28,483 --> 00:53:30,485 You don't go, "Well, that's the stupidest thing 1272 00:53:30,518 --> 00:53:32,454 I've ever heard of." 1273 00:53:32,487 --> 00:53:35,557 You probably just sort of swallow your tongue and go, 1274 00:53:35,590 --> 00:53:38,460 "Oh, my God, I finally made it in time to jump off a cliff." 1275 00:53:40,763 --> 00:53:44,066 When you're talking about a product like Coca-Cola, 1276 00:53:44,100 --> 00:53:46,802 the idea of new packaging, new product, 1277 00:53:46,836 --> 00:53:49,537 new point of sale materials, distribution, 1278 00:53:49,571 --> 00:53:53,042 all being created and kept secret, 1279 00:53:53,075 --> 00:53:55,610 it's almost too much to ask for. 1280 00:53:55,644 --> 00:53:57,747 In April 1985, 1281 00:53:57,780 --> 00:54:00,683 Coca-Cola was finally ready to officially launch 1282 00:54:00,716 --> 00:54:02,818 their top secret weapon, 1283 00:54:02,852 --> 00:54:06,222 hoping to put an end to the cola wars once and for all. 1284 00:54:06,255 --> 00:54:08,057 It was an invitation. 1285 00:54:08,090 --> 00:54:10,458 It came out late on Friday afternoon. 1286 00:54:10,492 --> 00:54:12,795 "You're invited to New York Tuesday, 1287 00:54:12,828 --> 00:54:15,231 "when Coca-Cola will make the most momentous announcement 1288 00:54:15,264 --> 00:54:17,565 in the history of soft drinks." 1289 00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:20,468 And I just started calling everybody I knew at Coca-Cola. 1290 00:54:20,502 --> 00:54:23,205 I got the story, and we ran with it Saturday. 1291 00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:24,907 And then, of course, 1292 00:54:24,941 --> 00:54:26,943 by Tuesday everybody and their brother had it, 1293 00:54:26,976 --> 00:54:28,643 including Pepsi. 1294 00:54:28,678 --> 00:54:30,512 Roger received a phone call one night 1295 00:54:30,545 --> 00:54:32,682 that there was going to be big news, 1296 00:54:32,715 --> 00:54:34,216 and that it was going to be something that would 1297 00:54:34,250 --> 00:54:36,218 completely, you know, blow everyone away. 1298 00:54:36,252 --> 00:54:37,887 He called Joe and said, "Joe, we have to get on this. 1299 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,789 We have to figure out what this is." 1300 00:54:39,822 --> 00:54:42,858 We had started hearing rumors about this new product. 1301 00:54:42,892 --> 00:54:45,194 Well, that was the scariest thing I can ever remember. 1302 00:54:45,227 --> 00:54:47,562 Coca-Cola is about to announce what it calls 1303 00:54:47,595 --> 00:54:49,732 the most significant development in its history. 1304 00:54:49,765 --> 00:54:51,233 I was with Roger, 1305 00:54:51,267 --> 00:54:53,568 and we were all pretty much in disbelief. 1306 00:54:53,601 --> 00:54:56,205 The most significant soft drink marketing development 1307 00:54:56,238 --> 00:54:58,240 in the company's 100-year history. 1308 00:54:58,274 --> 00:55:00,276 And we knew Sergio by that time was behind it. 1309 00:55:00,309 --> 00:55:01,978 He knew Pepsi very well. 1310 00:55:02,011 --> 00:55:03,813 And Roger, I'm not sure he liked him, 1311 00:55:03,846 --> 00:55:04,981 but he had a lot of respect for Sergio, 1312 00:55:05,014 --> 00:55:06,782 and he thought that this guy 1313 00:55:06,816 --> 00:55:09,118 might come up with something big. 1314 00:55:14,622 --> 00:55:16,092 This morning there is a surprising report 1315 00:55:16,125 --> 00:55:17,727 that after 100 years, the Coca-Cola Company 1316 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,529 is going to change its formula for Coke. 1317 00:55:21,563 --> 00:55:25,034 That's the word from the trade journal, "Beverage Digest." 1318 00:55:25,067 --> 00:55:27,635 Coke was looking at its shrinking lead, 1319 00:55:27,669 --> 00:55:32,008 and Coke legitimately feared that Pepsi could creep up on it 1320 00:55:32,041 --> 00:55:34,043 and ultimately overtake it. 1321 00:55:34,076 --> 00:55:36,746 So Coke had concerns, 1322 00:55:36,779 --> 00:55:40,648 but Coke also, it was being poked so ferociously 1323 00:55:40,683 --> 00:55:42,617 at every turn, 1324 00:55:42,650 --> 00:55:44,920 I think it felt like they had to fight back. 1325 00:55:44,954 --> 00:55:47,757 Because we could claim that more people preferred 1326 00:55:47,790 --> 00:55:50,226 the taste of Pepsi versus Coke, 1327 00:55:50,259 --> 00:55:53,595 that was something that would... that would drive them crazy. 1328 00:55:53,628 --> 00:55:55,931 No one ever wants to hear that their product doesn't taste 1329 00:55:55,965 --> 00:56:00,136 as good as someone else's, and so at some point, 1330 00:56:00,169 --> 00:56:01,971 that just got under their skin 1331 00:56:02,004 --> 00:56:03,773 and they wanted to take that away. 1332 00:56:03,806 --> 00:56:04,974 And the only way that they could do that 1333 00:56:05,007 --> 00:56:07,143 was by changing the formula. 1334 00:56:07,176 --> 00:56:08,811 Before Coca-Cola 1335 00:56:08,844 --> 00:56:10,246 even made the official announcement 1336 00:56:10,279 --> 00:56:11,947 of its new formula, 1337 00:56:11,981 --> 00:56:13,716 Roger Enrico and his team at Pepsi 1338 00:56:13,749 --> 00:56:17,019 were already strategizing a mode of attack. 1339 00:56:17,053 --> 00:56:18,320 The most important thing is 1340 00:56:18,354 --> 00:56:21,090 if you're going to fight the cola wars 1341 00:56:21,123 --> 00:56:24,126 and be first and beat Coke, 1342 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,228 you got to go 24/7. 1343 00:56:26,262 --> 00:56:27,897 You could not lose a moment. 1344 00:56:27,930 --> 00:56:29,865 We had spent the entire day 1345 00:56:29,899 --> 00:56:31,333 trying to come up with an idea. 1346 00:56:31,367 --> 00:56:33,736 Everything sounded so lame. 1347 00:56:33,769 --> 00:56:35,137 So when I was driving home that night, 1348 00:56:35,171 --> 00:56:36,338 I kept thinking about it, thinking about it 1349 00:56:36,372 --> 00:56:38,074 and thinking about it. 1350 00:56:38,107 --> 00:56:40,076 Then all of a sudden it pops into your mind. 1351 00:56:40,109 --> 00:56:42,678 We're thinking about this the wrong way. 1352 00:56:42,711 --> 00:56:45,613 It's not that they're introducing a new product. 1353 00:56:45,647 --> 00:56:47,683 They're removing the old product. 1354 00:56:47,716 --> 00:56:49,952 They just lost the cola wars. 1355 00:56:49,985 --> 00:56:52,755 My office was at the end of the hall. 1356 00:56:52,788 --> 00:56:54,656 And Roger is not a morning person. 1357 00:56:54,690 --> 00:56:57,659 I barely would get a grunt good morning every morning 1358 00:56:57,693 --> 00:56:59,395 for all the years that I worked for him. 1359 00:56:59,428 --> 00:57:01,730 He'd perk up by 10:00 in the morning. 1360 00:57:01,764 --> 00:57:03,866 But I saw him coming towards me. 1361 00:57:03,899 --> 00:57:06,168 And there was a lightness in his step. 1362 00:57:06,202 --> 00:57:08,370 And he came into my office, 1363 00:57:08,404 --> 00:57:10,973 and he had a little smirk. 1364 00:57:11,006 --> 00:57:14,176 And he said, "You are not going to believe this." 1365 00:57:14,210 --> 00:57:17,246 And then this huge grin, and he said, 1366 00:57:17,279 --> 00:57:19,315 "They're pulling Coke off the shelves." 1367 00:57:19,348 --> 00:57:21,717 You know, if you think about it, 1368 00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:23,686 over the last 87 years 1369 00:57:23,719 --> 00:57:25,754 we've been going at it eyeball to eyeball. 1370 00:57:25,788 --> 00:57:28,290 The other guy blinked and changed his product. 1371 00:57:28,324 --> 00:57:32,995 It felt like we all deserved a victory lap, 1372 00:57:33,028 --> 00:57:34,897 but I think there was a little bit 1373 00:57:34,930 --> 00:57:36,866 of stunned silence for a moment. 1374 00:57:36,899 --> 00:57:39,001 Like, wow, we just won the Super Bowl? 1375 00:57:39,034 --> 00:57:40,803 That actually happened? 1376 00:57:40,836 --> 00:57:42,404 We really won. We did it. 1377 00:57:42,438 --> 00:57:43,973 Is Coke's latest move 1378 00:57:44,006 --> 00:57:45,908 the right thing for the Real Thing? 1379 00:57:45,941 --> 00:57:47,676 Next thing you know, 1380 00:57:47,710 --> 00:57:49,411 Roger Enrico's got the media talking about it. 1381 00:57:49,445 --> 00:57:51,080 He's sort of controlling the narrative. 1382 00:57:51,113 --> 00:57:52,348 He's controlling the dialogue 1383 00:57:52,381 --> 00:57:54,783 about Coke's big launch. 1384 00:57:54,817 --> 00:57:58,020 Roger Enrico reacted quickly, 1385 00:57:58,053 --> 00:57:59,421 running a big ad in the "New York Times" 1386 00:57:59,455 --> 00:58:01,123 and the "Wall Street Journal," 1387 00:58:01,157 --> 00:58:04,360 and it was great political theater on his part. 1388 00:58:04,393 --> 00:58:06,262 I can tell you my reaction 1389 00:58:06,295 --> 00:58:08,297 to Roger's letter in the "Times". 1390 00:58:08,330 --> 00:58:10,332 Obviously I wasn't happy about it, 1391 00:58:10,366 --> 00:58:13,202 because he was, in a sense, rubbing our nose in it. 1392 00:58:13,235 --> 00:58:15,204 But just professionally I thought 1393 00:58:15,237 --> 00:58:17,473 that's a pretty smart P.R. move there. 1394 00:58:17,506 --> 00:58:20,843 Pepsi also, and this was Roger Enrico, the genius, 1395 00:58:20,876 --> 00:58:24,413 gave employees the day off to say, 1396 00:58:24,446 --> 00:58:26,849 "Hey, we won. Take a day off." 1397 00:58:26,882 --> 00:58:28,484 It was brilliant, 1398 00:58:28,517 --> 00:58:32,021 and it put Coke immediately on the defensive 1399 00:58:32,054 --> 00:58:34,857 and fuelled all the storylines, 1400 00:58:34,890 --> 00:58:37,793 so that by the time Coca-Cola 1401 00:58:37,826 --> 00:58:40,396 gave its momentous announcement, 1402 00:58:40,429 --> 00:58:42,231 everybody knew what it was 1403 00:58:42,264 --> 00:58:44,733 and they had lined up to critique it. 1404 00:58:44,767 --> 00:58:47,236 The best soft drink, Coca-Cola, 1405 00:58:47,269 --> 00:58:50,873 is now going to be even better. 1406 00:58:50,906 --> 00:58:53,075 Simply stated, 1407 00:58:53,108 --> 00:58:56,512 we have a new formula for Coke. 1408 00:58:56,545 --> 00:58:59,081 I don't think that we had anticipated 1409 00:58:59,114 --> 00:59:02,952 Pepsi would respond to us prior to the press conference. 1410 00:59:02,985 --> 00:59:06,422 And as a result, I think the response from the press 1411 00:59:06,455 --> 00:59:08,190 was less embracing and less enthusiastic 1412 00:59:08,224 --> 00:59:09,825 perhaps than expected. 1413 00:59:09,858 --> 00:59:11,527 And are you 100% certain 1414 00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,063 that this won't bomb, this new formula? 1415 00:59:14,096 --> 00:59:15,831 I think, as I said, 1416 00:59:15,864 --> 00:59:17,800 I think this is the surest move ever, 1417 00:59:17,833 --> 00:59:20,369 because the consumer made it. 1418 00:59:20,402 --> 00:59:22,238 We didn't. 1419 00:59:22,271 --> 00:59:24,773 And we think there's going to be enormous trial 1420 00:59:24,807 --> 00:59:26,208 as we roll out this product. 1421 00:59:26,242 --> 00:59:27,876 We've got such confidence in the product. 1422 00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:31,880 We know we've got a winner. 1423 00:59:31,914 --> 00:59:34,950 One of the first signs that something was amiss 1424 00:59:34,984 --> 00:59:39,288 was this press conference where journalists 1425 00:59:39,321 --> 00:59:42,024 were basically asking sort of probing questions 1426 00:59:42,057 --> 00:59:43,959 about why they would do this, 1427 00:59:43,993 --> 00:59:45,394 why they would change the brand. 1428 00:59:45,427 --> 00:59:48,063 To what extent are you introducing this product 1429 00:59:48,097 --> 00:59:50,866 to meet the Pepsi Challenge? 1430 00:59:50,899 --> 00:59:53,202 Oh, gosh, no. I mean, that's... 1431 00:59:53,235 --> 00:59:55,004 the Pepsi Challenge, when did that happen? 1432 00:59:57,940 --> 01:00:00,809 That's okay for number two, always. 1433 01:00:00,843 --> 01:00:02,845 All I know is that I was sitting 1434 01:00:02,878 --> 01:00:04,880 smack in the middle of the room, 1435 01:00:04,913 --> 01:00:08,984 and then the tenor in the room actually turned. 1436 01:00:09,018 --> 01:00:11,587 And if you watch the whole press conference, 1437 01:00:11,620 --> 01:00:15,457 you can actually palpably feel 1438 01:00:15,491 --> 01:00:17,493 the change in the room. 1439 01:00:17,526 --> 01:00:19,928 Are you... I mean, if we wanted Pepsi, 1440 01:00:19,962 --> 01:00:21,130 we'd buy Pepsi. 1441 01:00:21,163 --> 01:00:24,066 Honey, you're... 1442 01:00:24,099 --> 01:00:26,168 Ma'am, I can tell you that what you're going to get 1443 01:00:26,201 --> 01:00:29,038 when you try this new product is Coca-Cola, even better. 1444 01:00:29,071 --> 01:00:31,240 It's not even close to Pepsi. 1445 01:00:31,273 --> 01:00:32,941 It's not close to anything you've ever had. 1446 01:00:32,975 --> 01:00:34,543 Not at all. Not at all. 1447 01:00:34,576 --> 01:00:37,980 - Except a Coke. - Not at all. 1448 01:00:38,013 --> 01:00:39,915 People were asked, "Why?" 1449 01:00:39,948 --> 01:00:41,350 And the answer was, "We've discovered something 1450 01:00:41,383 --> 01:00:43,052 "that's even better 1451 01:00:43,085 --> 01:00:45,220 than the original taste of Coca-Cola." 1452 01:00:45,254 --> 01:00:48,957 As I recall, his response was something on the order of, 1453 01:00:48,991 --> 01:00:51,360 "It's older and rounder." 1454 01:00:51,393 --> 01:00:53,062 To this day, I'm not sure what he meant. 1455 01:00:53,095 --> 01:00:56,965 Well, I would say it's smoother... 1456 01:00:56,999 --> 01:00:59,968 uh, uh... 1457 01:01:00,002 --> 01:01:01,603 rounder... 1458 01:01:01,637 --> 01:01:03,105 yet... 1459 01:01:03,138 --> 01:01:05,541 yet bolder. 1460 01:01:05,574 --> 01:01:08,210 It's a more harmonious flavor. 1461 01:01:08,243 --> 01:01:10,179 You're a pretty good copywriter, Roberto. 1462 01:01:10,212 --> 01:01:13,015 I mean, for us, that was a great clip. 1463 01:01:14,516 --> 01:01:17,252 With the global reach of Coke, 1464 01:01:17,286 --> 01:01:19,888 Pepsi was never going to be the number one cola 1465 01:01:19,922 --> 01:01:22,658 in the entire world forever and ever, amen. 1466 01:01:22,692 --> 01:01:26,462 But their nervousness and their flubs 1467 01:01:26,495 --> 01:01:29,398 truly, truly was a victory for us. 1468 01:01:29,431 --> 01:01:32,668 Coke completely misread the situation, 1469 01:01:32,702 --> 01:01:34,903 because they had been successful. 1470 01:01:34,937 --> 01:01:36,372 They were number one. 1471 01:01:36,405 --> 01:01:38,006 And their own internal research 1472 01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:39,541 for everything they knew, 1473 01:01:39,575 --> 01:01:41,377 this was going to be a slam dunk. 1474 01:01:41,410 --> 01:01:42,978 They had done all the taste tests. 1475 01:01:43,011 --> 01:01:44,546 They knew that people preferred it. 1476 01:01:44,580 --> 01:01:47,483 They felt like they're coming on strong, 1477 01:01:47,516 --> 01:01:50,652 they're going to squash Pepsi for good with this. 1478 01:01:50,687 --> 01:01:53,288 So they were totally caught off guard 1479 01:01:53,322 --> 01:01:56,458 when almost immediately people rebelled. 1480 01:01:56,492 --> 01:02:00,262 They introduce New Coke in April of 1985, 1481 01:02:00,295 --> 01:02:06,135 and then the next few weeks were just a firestorm 1482 01:02:06,168 --> 01:02:09,972 when the public realized that this was going to replace 1483 01:02:10,005 --> 01:02:12,307 the Coca-Cola that they had known and loved 1484 01:02:12,341 --> 01:02:15,377 ratherhan be another version of Coke 1485 01:02:15,411 --> 01:02:20,015 that was also available in addition to regular Coke. 1486 01:02:20,048 --> 01:02:21,383 Thank you very much. 1487 01:02:21,417 --> 01:02:22,651 I'd like to invite you to the lobby 1488 01:02:22,685 --> 01:02:25,087 to try the new taste of Coca-Cola. 1489 01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,390 - Thank you. - Thank you. 1490 01:02:28,424 --> 01:02:31,527 A bunch of us were up in Roger's office, 1491 01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:33,395 and when we asked him, 1492 01:02:33,429 --> 01:02:36,465 "What's the number one thing you want to achieve... 1493 01:02:36,498 --> 01:02:38,434 you want us to achieve through all this?" 1494 01:02:38,467 --> 01:02:41,970 And he just look at us in the eye and he said three words. 1495 01:02:42,004 --> 01:02:44,273 "Kill New Coke." 1496 01:02:44,306 --> 01:02:47,009 And when they did that big press conference, 1497 01:02:47,042 --> 01:02:51,079 Becky Madeira, the little sly devil that she was, 1498 01:02:51,113 --> 01:02:54,550 said, "Let's hand out free Pepsi all over Manhattan." 1499 01:02:54,583 --> 01:02:57,419 Because they were doing their press conference in Manhattan. 1500 01:02:57,453 --> 01:03:00,355 We wanted to be available to get our word in. 1501 01:03:00,389 --> 01:03:03,325 There was music and product sampling. 1502 01:03:03,358 --> 01:03:05,561 We spoke to every single reporter 1503 01:03:05,594 --> 01:03:07,196 who we expected would attend 1504 01:03:07,229 --> 01:03:09,031 Coke's press conference and say, 1505 01:03:09,064 --> 01:03:11,500 "Hey, please come and see us just around the corner 1506 01:03:11,533 --> 01:03:13,770 on Columbus Circle when you come out of their event." 1507 01:03:13,803 --> 01:03:15,705 I think Coke has finally realized 1508 01:03:15,738 --> 01:03:17,740 what we have known for years, 1509 01:03:17,774 --> 01:03:20,342 and that's Pepsi tastes better than Coke. 1510 01:03:20,375 --> 01:03:23,412 I think their move today is a clear admission of that fact. 1511 01:03:23,445 --> 01:03:25,547 You know, it's quite obvious that when something is right, 1512 01:03:25,581 --> 01:03:27,382 you don't change it. 1513 01:03:27,416 --> 01:03:29,451 What do you think of Coca-Cola's announcement? 1514 01:03:29,485 --> 01:03:32,287 Well, we think victory tastes very sweet. 1515 01:03:32,321 --> 01:03:33,622 We were all like, victory is sweet. 1516 01:03:33,655 --> 01:03:35,324 This is great. They changed the formula. 1517 01:03:35,357 --> 01:03:37,760 It was a pretty exciting time. 1518 01:03:37,794 --> 01:03:40,229 We were so focused on the launch of New Coke, 1519 01:03:40,262 --> 01:03:42,564 we really didn't have a lot of time to pay attention 1520 01:03:42,598 --> 01:03:44,466 to what Pepsi might or might not do at that point. 1521 01:03:44,500 --> 01:03:47,336 Somebody out there tell me why Coke did it. 1522 01:03:47,369 --> 01:03:49,204 Why they changed. 1523 01:03:49,238 --> 01:03:51,573 We had to respond to Coca-Cola 1524 01:03:51,607 --> 01:03:53,242 changing their product. 1525 01:03:53,275 --> 01:03:54,744 The average time of making a commercial 1526 01:03:54,777 --> 01:03:56,813 was a minimum of two or three weeks. 1527 01:03:56,846 --> 01:04:00,249 We did it in 24 hours. We wrote it, we shot it, 1528 01:04:00,282 --> 01:04:02,685 we edited it and we distributed it in 24 hours. 1529 01:04:02,719 --> 01:04:06,321 Something that big needed to have a response immediately, 1530 01:04:06,355 --> 01:04:08,557 or you'd lose the moment. 1531 01:04:08,590 --> 01:04:11,593 Who encouraged us to do it? Roger. 1532 01:04:11,627 --> 01:04:15,297 So now I'm going to try my first Pepsi. 1533 01:04:15,330 --> 01:04:18,500 But I still want to know why Coke changed. 1534 01:04:21,704 --> 01:04:24,139 Mm. 1535 01:04:24,172 --> 01:04:26,241 Now I know why. 1536 01:04:26,275 --> 01:04:28,778 I do remember just sitting there thinking to myself, 1537 01:04:28,811 --> 01:04:31,714 wow, when this gets released, 1538 01:04:31,748 --> 01:04:33,850 it's just adding another log onto what I'm sure 1539 01:04:33,883 --> 01:04:36,084 is going to be a huge bonfire. 1540 01:04:36,118 --> 01:04:39,655 Those ads really hit home for a lot of people. 1541 01:04:39,689 --> 01:04:41,858 I mean, people were devastated. They were really devastated, 1542 01:04:41,891 --> 01:04:43,726 which is kind of crazy, you know, 1543 01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,427 to think that people would be so hurt 1544 01:04:45,460 --> 01:04:47,195 by a soft drink, but they were. 1545 01:04:47,229 --> 01:04:48,530 Pepsi wasn't the only voice 1546 01:04:48,564 --> 01:04:50,599 responding loudly to New Coke. 1547 01:04:50,632 --> 01:04:53,502 Led by the press and Pepsi's quick response, 1548 01:04:53,535 --> 01:04:56,471 American consumers rebelled against the new taste 1549 01:04:56,505 --> 01:04:57,807 of the Real Thing. 1550 01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:59,541 Very disappointed. 1551 01:04:59,575 --> 01:05:01,376 I think we've lost the American tradition. 1552 01:05:01,410 --> 01:05:04,681 People were furious in a way I couldn't comprehend. 1553 01:05:04,714 --> 01:05:08,751 People felt like their power had been stripped from them, 1554 01:05:08,785 --> 01:05:11,320 and they needed to take it back from corporate America. 1555 01:05:11,353 --> 01:05:13,890 Well, it's a free country, and as Rolonda Watts reports, 1556 01:05:13,923 --> 01:05:17,727 Coca-Cola heard the voice of the people loud and clear. 1557 01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:19,561 I was a Coke lady, but not no more. 1558 01:05:19,595 --> 01:05:20,662 Well, what kind of lady are you now? 1559 01:05:20,697 --> 01:05:22,297 Pepsi. 1560 01:05:22,331 --> 01:05:24,266 I feel the same way that she does. 1561 01:05:24,299 --> 01:05:28,838 I thought New Coke was an obvious Hail Mary pass, 1562 01:05:28,871 --> 01:05:32,641 a desperate attempt at catching up to Pepsi. 1563 01:05:32,674 --> 01:05:34,677 And as a Pepsi drinker, 1564 01:05:34,711 --> 01:05:37,613 I just laughed and said, "That is lame." 1565 01:05:37,646 --> 01:05:40,917 My family, we toasted Pepsi around the table and laughed. 1566 01:05:40,950 --> 01:05:42,885 Mocked New Coke. 1567 01:05:42,919 --> 01:05:45,354 - Honey, are you all right? - I'll be fine. 1568 01:05:45,387 --> 01:05:47,757 - Is this about Arnie? - No, Blanche. 1569 01:05:47,790 --> 01:05:51,660 She's upset because they keep changing the taste of Coke. 1570 01:05:51,694 --> 01:05:52,829 They are going to make Coca-Cola, 1571 01:05:52,862 --> 01:05:55,597 after 100 years, sweeter. 1572 01:05:55,631 --> 01:05:59,201 They're going to be mixing it with Pepsi. 1573 01:05:59,234 --> 01:06:02,404 Organizations were being formed to protest, 1574 01:06:02,437 --> 01:06:04,774 and they're having fun too because, you know, 1575 01:06:04,807 --> 01:06:06,676 this is not World War III. 1576 01:06:06,709 --> 01:06:09,277 Although for some people, it seemed like it. 1577 01:06:09,311 --> 01:06:11,513 ♪ Please don't change the taste of Coke ♪ 1578 01:06:11,546 --> 01:06:13,916 There was a guy named Gay Mullins, 1579 01:06:13,950 --> 01:06:17,720 a retiree in Seattle, who created a lobbying effort 1580 01:06:17,754 --> 01:06:20,690 on behalf of all the disenfranchised, 1581 01:06:20,723 --> 01:06:25,427 disturbed, bewildered, irate Coca-Cola consumers. 1582 01:06:25,460 --> 01:06:26,963 Not to be overlooked 1583 01:06:26,996 --> 01:06:28,798 are those loyal to the old taste of Coke. 1584 01:06:28,831 --> 01:06:32,334 After 99 years, it's a national institution, 1585 01:06:32,367 --> 01:06:33,803 and when they don't make it, 1586 01:06:33,836 --> 01:06:35,637 and then prohibit me from getting it 1587 01:06:35,671 --> 01:06:37,506 by keeping the secret formula, 1588 01:06:37,539 --> 01:06:39,541 then that's not American. 1589 01:06:39,574 --> 01:06:41,944 New Coke was un-American! 1590 01:06:41,978 --> 01:06:43,846 This is... hello? 1591 01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:45,715 I mean, you can imagine if aliens came down 1592 01:06:45,748 --> 01:06:47,382 and they looked at this and they said, 1593 01:06:47,416 --> 01:06:50,318 "Are you people crazy? What is this all about?" 1594 01:06:50,352 --> 01:06:52,454 A coalition of cola addicts threatened to boycott 1595 01:06:52,487 --> 01:06:54,389 all Coke products, 1596 01:06:54,423 --> 01:06:56,759 from movies to Minute Maid orange juice. 1597 01:06:56,793 --> 01:06:58,427 Why are you upset about it? 1598 01:06:58,460 --> 01:07:00,629 Because I'm 46 years old 1599 01:07:00,662 --> 01:07:02,765 and I bought my first Coke with a nickel 1600 01:07:02,799 --> 01:07:05,001 when I was five years old. 1601 01:07:05,034 --> 01:07:07,837 I helped build this multinational corporation. 1602 01:07:07,870 --> 01:07:09,739 My oldest daughter is 22. 1603 01:07:09,772 --> 01:07:11,540 Her first word was "Coke." 1604 01:07:11,573 --> 01:07:13,843 Her second word was "Mommy". 1605 01:07:13,876 --> 01:07:16,445 They're crying. 1606 01:07:16,478 --> 01:07:19,381 They're crying. 1607 01:07:19,414 --> 01:07:21,283 You're going to give us a new taste of Coca-Cola? 1608 01:07:21,316 --> 01:07:22,551 Oh, my God! 1609 01:07:22,584 --> 01:07:25,955 How could you do that? 1610 01:07:25,988 --> 01:07:31,326 I don't even think that the most zealous Coke drinker 1611 01:07:31,359 --> 01:07:33,896 really was making a rational decision. 1612 01:07:33,930 --> 01:07:36,799 I think they were jut upset and carried away 1613 01:07:36,833 --> 01:07:41,738 with the idea that you've changed an icon of America, 1614 01:07:41,771 --> 01:07:43,572 and that's wrong. 1615 01:07:43,605 --> 01:07:45,640 Can people really taste a difference? 1616 01:07:45,674 --> 01:07:48,443 Certainly the head of the old cola drinkers group 1617 01:07:48,477 --> 01:07:51,580 and the man who's invested $50,000 of his own money 1618 01:07:51,613 --> 01:07:53,716 to fight New Coke, 1619 01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:55,752 certainly he could tell the difference. 1620 01:07:55,785 --> 01:08:00,957 That's probably Pepsi, New Coke and old Coke. 1621 01:08:00,990 --> 01:08:03,960 The one you liked is the Pepsi. 1622 01:08:04,961 --> 01:08:07,429 Well... 1623 01:08:07,462 --> 01:08:08,998 The whole thing was ridiculous. 1624 01:08:09,031 --> 01:08:11,566 I mean, you could only have a moment like that 1625 01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:13,770 in a time where you have mass media 1626 01:08:13,803 --> 01:08:16,304 and prosperity in your culture, 1627 01:08:16,338 --> 01:08:18,708 because people had nothing better to do 1628 01:08:18,741 --> 01:08:21,309 than to be absolutely outraged, 1629 01:08:21,343 --> 01:08:23,378 ready to, like, take to the streets 1630 01:08:23,411 --> 01:08:26,348 because you have changed the formula of Coke. 1631 01:08:26,381 --> 01:08:30,552 The amount of bad publicity 1632 01:08:30,585 --> 01:08:34,589 that came around changing a brand 1633 01:08:34,623 --> 01:08:36,591 that was America's brand, 1634 01:08:36,625 --> 01:08:41,496 it just seemed ridiculous to, I think, so many people. 1635 01:08:41,530 --> 01:08:44,066 And the door was open, and we just walked through. 1636 01:08:44,100 --> 01:08:46,836 You don't have to be a marketing genius 1637 01:08:46,869 --> 01:08:50,338 to see the opportunity for the Pepsi enterprise in that. 1638 01:08:50,372 --> 01:08:52,340 This is going to be fun. 1639 01:08:56,078 --> 01:08:57,747 It's been about two months now 1640 01:08:57,780 --> 01:08:59,048 since we were first introduced to the New Coke, 1641 01:08:59,081 --> 01:09:00,783 and all across the nation, 1642 01:09:00,817 --> 01:09:02,718 the reaction is still at a fevered pitch. 1643 01:09:02,752 --> 01:09:04,086 Here is a sample 1644 01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,789 from the thirsty streets of New York City. 1645 01:09:06,823 --> 01:09:08,891 I can't believe what they've done to it. 1646 01:09:08,925 --> 01:09:11,093 The old Coke was terrific. 1647 01:09:11,127 --> 01:09:14,563 I hate it. It tastes like watered-down Coca-Cola. 1648 01:09:14,596 --> 01:09:16,598 The top brass at Coca-Cola 1649 01:09:16,631 --> 01:09:19,568 hoped the initial outrage over New Coke would subside, 1650 01:09:19,601 --> 01:09:22,071 but Coke sales were dramatically dropping, 1651 01:09:22,104 --> 01:09:25,107 by as much as 10% in some states. 1652 01:09:25,141 --> 01:09:27,509 They should go back to the way it was before. 1653 01:09:27,542 --> 01:09:30,512 I recall that summer moving through airports. 1654 01:09:30,545 --> 01:09:32,547 And I had... all the luggage tags 1655 01:09:32,581 --> 01:09:34,416 were Coca-Cola branded luggage tags. 1656 01:09:34,449 --> 01:09:35,918 I took the luggage tags off my luggage, 1657 01:09:35,952 --> 01:09:38,754 because I was accosted in airports by people 1658 01:09:38,788 --> 01:09:40,957 asking me for their Coke back, and who did we think we were, 1659 01:09:40,990 --> 01:09:42,792 and what did we think we were doing? 1660 01:09:42,825 --> 01:09:45,027 The reaction was just so visceral. 1661 01:09:45,061 --> 01:09:46,561 What's the matter, Wilbur? 1662 01:09:46,595 --> 01:09:49,131 They changed my Coke. 1663 01:09:49,165 --> 01:09:50,565 - Could have asked. - I could have. 1664 01:09:50,599 --> 01:09:52,434 I stuck with them through three wars 1665 01:09:52,467 --> 01:09:54,469 and a couple of dust storms, but this is too much. 1666 01:09:54,502 --> 01:09:57,173 I guess something big made them change. 1667 01:09:57,206 --> 01:09:59,041 Right big. 1668 01:09:59,075 --> 01:10:03,145 Coke's problem with the whole New Coke episode... 1669 01:10:03,179 --> 01:10:05,413 calling it an episode being charitable 1670 01:10:05,447 --> 01:10:08,084 rather than a fiasco, 1671 01:10:08,117 --> 01:10:09,785 it was not one of product. 1672 01:10:09,819 --> 01:10:12,755 They never asked the consumers, 1673 01:10:12,788 --> 01:10:14,824 "Okay, you like our taste. 1674 01:10:14,857 --> 01:10:17,093 "You like the taste of this new cola beverage. 1675 01:10:17,126 --> 01:10:19,028 "What about if we bring this to market 1676 01:10:19,061 --> 01:10:21,130 "and we get rid of original Coke? 1677 01:10:21,163 --> 01:10:22,899 How would you feel about that?" 1678 01:10:22,932 --> 01:10:24,834 Had they asked that question, 1679 01:10:24,867 --> 01:10:26,601 maybe they would have had seconds thoughts 1680 01:10:26,635 --> 01:10:28,503 about releasing New Coke. 1681 01:10:28,536 --> 01:10:31,573 Well, everyone was paranoid about secrecy. 1682 01:10:31,606 --> 01:10:34,210 But because it was behind closed doors 1683 01:10:34,243 --> 01:10:36,746 in an isolated chamber, 1684 01:10:36,779 --> 01:10:39,148 it also kept the daylight out and we didn't... 1685 01:10:39,181 --> 01:10:42,151 you know, we couldn't test it as a branded product. 1686 01:10:42,184 --> 01:10:44,754 We couldn't test the idea of a New Coke. 1687 01:10:44,787 --> 01:10:46,621 I think it could safely be said 1688 01:10:46,655 --> 01:10:49,191 that they truly underestimated the romance 1689 01:10:49,225 --> 01:10:52,228 that the American people have had with Coca-Cola, 1690 01:10:52,261 --> 01:10:54,063 the drink which is really more than a drink 1691 01:10:54,096 --> 01:10:57,833 and more than a taste. 1692 01:10:57,867 --> 01:10:59,201 You are stuck with an icon. 1693 01:10:59,235 --> 01:11:02,738 Oh, my gosh. Gee. 1694 01:11:02,772 --> 01:11:04,774 You can give us big bottles of Coke, 1695 01:11:04,807 --> 01:11:06,142 you can give us little bottles of Coke, 1696 01:11:06,175 --> 01:11:09,211 but you can't change the taste. 1697 01:11:09,245 --> 01:11:11,479 For millions of us, changing the taste of Coke 1698 01:11:11,513 --> 01:11:14,183 is like tampering with our own past. 1699 01:11:14,216 --> 01:11:17,086 The only people who were more into hating New Coke 1700 01:11:17,119 --> 01:11:20,488 than Coke drinkers were people on the news. 1701 01:11:20,522 --> 01:11:22,657 I don't know why they were so excited to report on this. 1702 01:11:22,692 --> 01:11:25,194 Was it, in fact, the slowest news week in history 1703 01:11:25,227 --> 01:11:26,796 when New Coke was launched? 1704 01:11:26,829 --> 01:11:28,831 Because that's all people talked about. 1705 01:11:28,864 --> 01:11:30,967 It was great sort of commercial corporate theater, 1706 01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,501 but it also was that slap in the face 1707 01:11:33,535 --> 01:11:36,105 that made Coke recognize, now it's our move. 1708 01:11:36,138 --> 01:11:37,639 Now what do we do? 1709 01:11:37,672 --> 01:11:40,076 Given the visceral reaction 1710 01:11:40,109 --> 01:11:42,979 in the marketplace from the American consumer, 1711 01:11:43,012 --> 01:11:45,647 people began to talk a little bit about, you know, 1712 01:11:45,681 --> 01:11:47,183 was New Coke really going to be the success 1713 01:11:47,216 --> 01:11:48,918 we'd hoped it would be? 1714 01:11:48,951 --> 01:11:51,287 And should we reconsider our decision? 1715 01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:54,090 Brian Dyson and Sergio Zyman 1716 01:11:54,123 --> 01:11:56,092 believed strongly that it was just a matter of time, 1717 01:11:56,125 --> 01:11:58,027 all this hubbub would die down. 1718 01:11:58,060 --> 01:11:59,829 New Coke was the future. 1719 01:11:59,862 --> 01:12:02,564 But as the calls and letters kept coming, 1720 01:12:02,597 --> 01:12:04,767 as the uproar kept rising, 1721 01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:08,104 eventually it began to affect our sales. 1722 01:12:08,137 --> 01:12:11,240 I think we really had to learn to listen more carefully 1723 01:12:11,273 --> 01:12:14,710 to what people are saying and needing 1724 01:12:14,744 --> 01:12:16,245 and wanting to enjoy about our brands, 1725 01:12:16,278 --> 01:12:18,214 versus what we would like to have them do. 1726 01:12:18,247 --> 01:12:20,249 From ABC, 1727 01:12:20,282 --> 01:12:23,019 this is "World News Tonight with Peter Jennings." 1728 01:12:23,052 --> 01:12:25,254 Good evening, there is likely no other country in the world 1729 01:12:25,287 --> 01:12:27,023 where an evening broadcast such as this 1730 01:12:27,056 --> 01:12:29,025 would begin with the news that a popular soft drink 1731 01:12:29,058 --> 01:12:31,827 was going to re-introduce its original formula. 1732 01:12:31,861 --> 01:12:33,295 But this is America, 1733 01:12:33,329 --> 01:12:35,931 and Coca-Cola is part of Americana. 1734 01:12:35,965 --> 01:12:37,565 Tomorrow, the Coca-Cola Company will announce, 1735 01:12:37,599 --> 01:12:39,201 with appropriate fanfare, 1736 01:12:39,235 --> 01:12:42,171 that they are bringing a new soft drink to market. 1737 01:12:42,204 --> 01:12:43,939 Old Coke. 1738 01:12:43,973 --> 01:12:45,607 Only now, it will be called Classic Coke, 1739 01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,744 and the New Coke will now be called just Coke. 1740 01:12:48,778 --> 01:12:51,313 We began to talk about it as a political analogy. 1741 01:12:51,347 --> 01:12:54,950 We said, "What if we recognize the mistake?" 1742 01:12:54,984 --> 01:12:59,587 What if we say we did the wrong thing? 1743 01:12:59,621 --> 01:13:02,158 Unthinkable for a corporation to do that. 1744 01:13:02,191 --> 01:13:04,794 But what on earth brought us to the decision 1745 01:13:04,827 --> 01:13:10,232 to bring back the classic taste which we so calmly abandoned 1746 01:13:10,266 --> 01:13:12,667 back in April? 1747 01:13:12,701 --> 01:13:15,171 It was just a remarkable press conference, 1748 01:13:15,204 --> 01:13:19,008 where the COO of Coca-Cola stood behind a podium 1749 01:13:19,041 --> 01:13:21,677 and basically trolled himself. 1750 01:13:21,710 --> 01:13:25,247 Trolled the company with letters from consumers. 1751 01:13:25,281 --> 01:13:29,318 Here's one that starts, "Dear Chief Dodo." 1752 01:13:29,351 --> 01:13:31,353 Well, I passed that along to Roberto unopened. 1753 01:13:33,756 --> 01:13:37,159 "Changing like Coke is like God making the grass purple, 1754 01:13:37,193 --> 01:13:41,063 or putting toes on our ears, or teeth on our knees." 1755 01:13:41,097 --> 01:13:43,799 And here's one. "Dear Sir, you have fouled up 1756 01:13:43,833 --> 01:13:47,069 by changing the only perfect thing in the world." 1757 01:13:47,103 --> 01:13:49,371 What the company learned was that, in a way, 1758 01:13:49,405 --> 01:13:50,840 we didn't own the brand. 1759 01:13:50,873 --> 01:13:53,008 The consumer owned the brand. 1760 01:13:53,042 --> 01:13:55,344 Some critics will say 1761 01:13:55,377 --> 01:13:58,814 Coca-Cola has made a marketing mistake. 1762 01:13:58,848 --> 01:14:04,320 And some cynics say that we planned the whole thing. 1763 01:14:05,955 --> 01:14:08,791 The truth is, we're not that dumb 1764 01:14:08,824 --> 01:14:11,794 and we're not that smart. 1765 01:14:11,827 --> 01:14:13,329 There was a theory at the time 1766 01:14:13,362 --> 01:14:15,798 that Coke had purposely done this. 1767 01:14:15,831 --> 01:14:17,032 If you look at the reality of it, 1768 01:14:17,066 --> 01:14:18,701 it's absurd on the face. 1769 01:14:18,734 --> 01:14:20,668 That's how into this people were, 1770 01:14:20,703 --> 01:14:22,171 that they were inventing a conspiracy. 1771 01:14:22,204 --> 01:14:23,671 Because it made no sense. 1772 01:14:23,706 --> 01:14:26,142 They spent billions of dollars 1773 01:14:26,175 --> 01:14:28,344 to take old Coke off the market. 1774 01:14:28,377 --> 01:14:31,447 They spent billions of dollars to put New Coke on the market, 1775 01:14:31,480 --> 01:14:33,315 only to take it off the market 1776 01:14:33,349 --> 01:14:35,217 to spend billions of dollars 1777 01:14:35,251 --> 01:14:37,720 to put old Coke back on the market. 1778 01:14:37,753 --> 01:14:39,054 If that's a smart idea, 1779 01:14:39,088 --> 01:14:41,090 then I don't know what smart means. 1780 01:14:41,123 --> 01:14:42,858 They're both yours, 1781 01:14:42,892 --> 01:14:45,227 the new taste of Coke and Coca-Cola Classic. 1782 01:14:45,261 --> 01:14:47,296 Your right of choice is back. 1783 01:14:47,329 --> 01:14:51,066 Then they tried to market two products side by side: 1784 01:14:51,100 --> 01:14:53,435 Classic Coke and New Coke. 1785 01:14:53,469 --> 01:14:55,738 And that was just not a winning idea. 1786 01:14:55,771 --> 01:14:57,840 We had an awful lot of fun with it. 1787 01:14:57,873 --> 01:15:00,209 The slogan of the day was "Coke are it." 1788 01:15:00,242 --> 01:15:02,444 And that was coined by none other than the Pepsi chairman, 1789 01:15:02,478 --> 01:15:04,180 Roger Enrico. 1790 01:15:04,213 --> 01:15:06,215 Pepsi's attack on New Coke 1791 01:15:06,248 --> 01:15:09,385 was hugely successful, but Coke Classic would prove 1792 01:15:09,418 --> 01:15:11,053 to be tougher competition than expected. 1793 01:15:15,457 --> 01:15:16,859 In the first ten hours after the Coke announcement Despite Pepsi's confidence, 1794 01:15:16,892 --> 01:15:18,394 that it was reviving the old Coke, 1795 01:15:18,427 --> 01:15:20,362 the company received 18,000 phone calls, 1796 01:15:20,396 --> 01:15:22,731 most of them expressing thanks. 1797 01:15:22,765 --> 01:15:24,967 So Coke has obviously done something right there. 1798 01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,737 New Coke was a success in terms of two things. 1799 01:15:28,771 --> 01:15:32,141 The company rediscovered the fact that the consumer said, 1800 01:15:32,174 --> 01:15:34,109 "Hey, this is mine. Don't mess with it." 1801 01:15:34,143 --> 01:15:37,479 And also, we had lapsed consumers who said, 1802 01:15:37,513 --> 01:15:39,815 "Well, we ought to demonstrate, literally, 1803 01:15:39,848 --> 01:15:41,483 by going back and drinking Coke again." 1804 01:15:41,517 --> 01:15:44,119 So, you know, the data will show it. 1805 01:15:44,153 --> 01:15:45,955 There was an uptick in sales. 1806 01:15:45,988 --> 01:15:47,890 In one of the most dramatic 1807 01:15:47,923 --> 01:15:50,392 comeback stories in consumer history, 1808 01:15:50,426 --> 01:15:53,062 Coke Classic would go on to outsell New Coke 1809 01:15:53,095 --> 01:15:55,297 by 10 to 1 within a year, 1810 01:15:55,331 --> 01:15:57,533 driving overall Coca-Cola shares 1811 01:15:57,566 --> 01:16:00,402 to unprecedented heights. 1812 01:16:00,436 --> 01:16:02,871 I think the introduction of Coke Classic 1813 01:16:02,905 --> 01:16:06,175 was the first step in redemption for Coke 1814 01:16:06,208 --> 01:16:09,245 in saying, "We messed up, we found our soul, 1815 01:16:09,278 --> 01:16:11,380 we've been through therapy," 1816 01:16:11,413 --> 01:16:15,050 and on some subconscious level, it got me to drink Diet Coke. 1817 01:16:15,084 --> 01:16:17,119 I haven't had a Pepsi since. 1818 01:16:17,152 --> 01:16:20,122 Your president of Coca-Cola U.S.A. gave a speech, 1819 01:16:20,155 --> 01:16:22,925 and he's talking about intrinsics and extrinsics. 1820 01:16:22,958 --> 01:16:24,927 Intrinsics means I buy the product 1821 01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:27,329 because I like the way it tastes, or whatever. 1822 01:16:27,363 --> 01:16:29,231 Extrinsics are, I buy the product 1823 01:16:29,265 --> 01:16:31,567 because I like the image, it's fun, it's friendly, 1824 01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,035 it's American, whatever. 1825 01:16:33,068 --> 01:16:35,104 Used to be we bought product 1826 01:16:35,137 --> 01:16:36,972 primarily because of taste. 1827 01:16:37,006 --> 01:16:38,407 It's been a phenomenal thing that's happened. 1828 01:16:38,440 --> 01:16:40,042 A phenomenal shift. 1829 01:16:40,075 --> 01:16:42,144 We now buy soft drinks for an image. 1830 01:16:42,177 --> 01:16:45,281 Your image, never mind the bad old days last summer, 1831 01:16:45,314 --> 01:16:48,817 is stronger than ever, symbolic of America. 1832 01:16:48,851 --> 01:16:50,252 How have you done this? 1833 01:16:50,286 --> 01:16:52,554 I don't like to be immodest about it, 1834 01:16:52,588 --> 01:16:55,357 but the simple fact is that the image of Coca-Cola 1835 01:16:55,391 --> 01:16:57,092 has never been higher. 1836 01:16:57,126 --> 01:16:59,995 The numbers we're seeing are just remarkable. 1837 01:17:00,029 --> 01:17:03,599 It was not just an emotional reaction. 1838 01:17:03,632 --> 01:17:07,102 It was four positive share points for Coca-Cola 1839 01:17:07,136 --> 01:17:09,371 at about $500 million a share point. 1840 01:17:09,405 --> 01:17:12,141 In other words, people came back to Coke, 1841 01:17:12,174 --> 01:17:15,077 and they felt almost an obligation to do so, 1842 01:17:15,110 --> 01:17:17,613 having demanded that Coke bring back Classic. 1843 01:17:17,646 --> 01:17:20,215 ♪ You might find magic ♪ 1844 01:17:20,249 --> 01:17:22,484 ♪ In a Coca-Cola Classic ♪ 1845 01:17:22,518 --> 01:17:25,087 By the time Classic Coke came back, 1846 01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:30,025 they changed the patina of this old never-changing stodgy Coke 1847 01:17:30,059 --> 01:17:31,960 that took away the damage we had. 1848 01:17:31,994 --> 01:17:34,096 It took away the fact that they were unchanging. 1849 01:17:34,129 --> 01:17:37,866 ♪ Feeling you get from a Coca-Cola Classic ♪ 1850 01:17:37,900 --> 01:17:41,036 ♪ Can't beat the feeling ♪ 1851 01:17:41,070 --> 01:17:43,472 Really smart marketers know 1852 01:17:43,505 --> 01:17:45,908 that at some point, you have to take risks. 1853 01:17:45,941 --> 01:17:49,078 If you don't take risks, you stagnate. 1854 01:17:49,111 --> 01:17:52,581 And this was an example of Coke taking a risk. 1855 01:17:52,614 --> 01:17:55,017 And they ended up with an outcome 1856 01:17:55,050 --> 01:17:57,986 that was probably beyond their wildest expectations. 1857 01:17:58,020 --> 01:18:00,456 All of that fuss, and front-page coverage, 1858 01:18:00,489 --> 01:18:04,360 and leading off the evening news with this kind of activity 1859 01:18:04,393 --> 01:18:06,462 makes it top of mind. 1860 01:18:06,495 --> 01:18:09,131 In retrospect, there's been a lot of marketing disasters. 1861 01:18:09,164 --> 01:18:12,101 That one really stands out as perhaps the worst. 1862 01:18:12,134 --> 01:18:14,136 But like with so many things in history, 1863 01:18:14,169 --> 01:18:16,472 there's now a revisionist history, 1864 01:18:16,505 --> 01:18:18,640 the Coke point of view, which is, 1865 01:18:18,674 --> 01:18:21,009 hey, we were sort of a brand 1866 01:18:21,043 --> 01:18:24,580 that was losing name recognition, 1867 01:18:24,613 --> 01:18:28,083 and suddenly New Coke put us on the map. 1868 01:18:28,117 --> 01:18:31,353 Suddenly, everybody was talking about Coke. 1869 01:18:31,387 --> 01:18:33,255 ♪ Can't beat it ♪ 1870 01:18:33,288 --> 01:18:35,257 ♪ Can't beat the Real Thing ♪ 1871 01:18:35,290 --> 01:18:37,259 As you look back, it's been said 1872 01:18:37,292 --> 01:18:39,161 that we got a hole in one 1873 01:18:39,194 --> 01:18:40,996 even though we hit the tree with the golf ball. 1874 01:18:41,029 --> 01:18:44,266 So that kind of happened. 1875 01:18:44,299 --> 01:18:46,201 The cola wars are still bubbling. 1876 01:18:46,235 --> 01:18:47,536 It was five years ago today 1877 01:18:47,569 --> 01:18:49,538 that Coca-Cola introduced New Coke. 1878 01:18:49,571 --> 01:18:51,206 The battle between Coke and Pepsi 1879 01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:54,677 reached its peak during the summer of 1985, 1880 01:18:54,711 --> 01:18:57,212 but the company rivalry will always remain, 1881 01:18:57,246 --> 01:18:59,381 evolving along with consumer culture. 1882 01:18:59,415 --> 01:19:01,216 I think the 1980s, 1883 01:19:01,250 --> 01:19:03,018 particularly the last five years of the '80s, 1884 01:19:03,051 --> 01:19:05,187 was representative of two things. 1885 01:19:05,220 --> 01:19:08,424 It was, in effect, the beginning of a closing chapter 1886 01:19:08,457 --> 01:19:12,494 of an era of mass consumption and mass media. 1887 01:19:12,528 --> 01:19:15,631 We live in a world now where it's very hard 1888 01:19:15,664 --> 01:19:20,402 to have that mass experience where we all come together 1889 01:19:20,436 --> 01:19:22,304 and we're all talking about the same thing, 1890 01:19:22,337 --> 01:19:26,275 and we're all drinking or eating the same thing. 1891 01:19:26,308 --> 01:19:28,745 Now, good lord, you go in the supermarket, 1892 01:19:28,778 --> 01:19:32,214 I mean, it's like, okay... 1893 01:19:32,247 --> 01:19:34,483 how does anybody make a choice here? 1894 01:19:34,516 --> 01:19:36,418 Really in the last 20 years, 1895 01:19:36,452 --> 01:19:39,555 we've seen a change in the way that we consume drinks. 1896 01:19:39,588 --> 01:19:42,424 There's been increasing recognition 1897 01:19:42,458 --> 01:19:44,560 of the health dangers of soda, 1898 01:19:44,593 --> 01:19:48,263 particularly full-fledged all-sugar sodas. 1899 01:19:48,297 --> 01:19:50,466 Former President Clinton is speaking out 1900 01:19:50,499 --> 01:19:52,301 about his mission to end childhood obesity, 1901 01:19:52,334 --> 01:19:54,136 and the plan to eliminate 1902 01:19:54,169 --> 01:19:55,772 sugary soft drinks from schools. 1903 01:19:55,805 --> 01:19:58,708 I think that back in 1980, 1904 01:19:58,741 --> 01:20:02,277 you would drink a full-sugared cola with no problem. 1905 01:20:02,311 --> 01:20:04,446 Who does that today? Very few people. 1906 01:20:04,480 --> 01:20:06,448 Everybody's so health-conscious. 1907 01:20:06,482 --> 01:20:09,719 So I think that it's just a different culture now. 1908 01:20:09,752 --> 01:20:11,553 Today's Coke and Pepsi 1909 01:20:11,587 --> 01:20:14,089 serve every consumer niche imaginable, 1910 01:20:14,122 --> 01:20:17,659 scoring both hits and misses for the brands. 1911 01:20:17,694 --> 01:20:20,028 As tastes evolved, both Coke and Pepsi 1912 01:20:20,062 --> 01:20:21,597 diversified their offerings, 1913 01:20:21,630 --> 01:20:23,565 going way beyond soda 1914 01:20:23,599 --> 01:20:26,468 to extend the fight to any and all beverages. 1915 01:20:26,502 --> 01:20:29,505 Whatever you drink, they're going to own eventually. 1916 01:20:29,538 --> 01:20:32,107 Any form of matter that is liquid, 1917 01:20:32,140 --> 01:20:34,711 Coke or Pepsi will eventually own. 1918 01:20:34,744 --> 01:20:37,546 In fact, we'll probably be putting Pepsi in our gas tanks. 1919 01:20:37,579 --> 01:20:41,450 Does the rivalry between the Coca-Cola Company 1920 01:20:41,483 --> 01:20:43,318 and PepsiCo still exist? 1921 01:20:43,352 --> 01:20:44,721 Oh, yeah, without a doubt. 1922 01:20:44,754 --> 01:20:47,757 The rivalry isn't just focused 1923 01:20:47,790 --> 01:20:51,126 on Coke and Pepsi, the cola drinks. 1924 01:20:51,159 --> 01:20:53,629 It's just, is it still the cola wars? 1925 01:20:53,662 --> 01:20:55,564 That is the question. 1926 01:20:55,597 --> 01:20:59,334 And it's an open question as far as I'm concerned. 1927 01:20:59,368 --> 01:21:00,669 What can I get you? 1928 01:21:00,703 --> 01:21:02,404 - Blueberry pie and a Pepsi. - Got it. 1929 01:21:02,437 --> 01:21:04,139 Thanks. 1930 01:21:06,208 --> 01:21:08,243 Good song. 1931 01:21:08,277 --> 01:21:10,713 Great song. 1932 01:21:10,747 --> 01:21:12,247 If anyone out there is thinking of starting 1933 01:21:12,281 --> 01:21:14,751 a cola war, avoid it at all costs. 1934 01:21:14,784 --> 01:21:16,686 I tell my son about the cola wars 1935 01:21:16,719 --> 01:21:18,721 every night before he goes to bed 1936 01:21:18,755 --> 01:21:20,522 in the hopes that this never happens again. 1937 01:21:20,556 --> 01:21:23,559 If you can't beat it, catch the wave. Coke. 1938 01:21:23,592 --> 01:21:25,227 So when it's all said and done, 1939 01:21:25,260 --> 01:21:27,329 who won the cola wars? 1940 01:21:27,362 --> 01:21:29,298 You know, I'd love to tell you, and it's true, 1941 01:21:29,331 --> 01:21:32,100 that Coca-Cola's market share is larger, 1942 01:21:32,134 --> 01:21:34,169 but it was larger before the cola wars started. 1943 01:21:34,202 --> 01:21:39,241 You know, and who really won was the soft drink business. 1944 01:21:39,274 --> 01:21:42,177 And in the end of the day, the cola wars were less about 1945 01:21:42,210 --> 01:21:44,446 the soda itself 1946 01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:47,249 and much more about everything surrounding it. 1947 01:21:47,282 --> 01:21:50,218 It was about your position in the firmament, 1948 01:21:50,252 --> 01:21:52,354 where you stand in American culture, 1949 01:21:52,387 --> 01:21:56,291 and Coke and Pepsi took on just a greater importance, 1950 01:21:56,325 --> 01:21:59,729 because they are really cultural touchstones. 1951 01:21:59,762 --> 01:22:03,800 I think that that is what really strikes me 1952 01:22:03,833 --> 01:22:07,302 about how these two companies creatively locked horns, 1953 01:22:07,336 --> 01:22:11,139 where they took music, they took images, 1954 01:22:11,173 --> 01:22:14,610 and they were able to persuade us to buy 1955 01:22:14,643 --> 01:22:16,411 a vast quantity... 1956 01:22:16,445 --> 01:22:20,315 oceans of their products. 1957 01:22:20,349 --> 01:22:23,485 And it's really quite remarkable. 1958 01:22:23,518 --> 01:22:26,622 It felt really great to be a part 1959 01:22:26,655 --> 01:22:29,792 of what is probably one of the most historic 1960 01:22:29,826 --> 01:22:33,261 marketing rivalries in the world and of all time. 1961 01:22:37,299 --> 01:22:40,302 You know, if you do what a communications person does 1962 01:22:40,335 --> 01:22:42,504 for a living, 1963 01:22:42,537 --> 01:22:44,807 and you wake up in the morning and the "New York Times" 1964 01:22:44,841 --> 01:22:47,242 and the "Wall Street Journal" and the networks 1965 01:22:47,275 --> 01:22:50,579 are all interested in your company and in your product, 1966 01:22:50,612 --> 01:22:52,614 boy, oh, boy, what could be better? 1967 01:22:56,986 --> 01:22:59,254 Pepsi-Cola was the greatest place to work. 1968 01:22:59,287 --> 01:23:01,556 We worked hard and we partied hard. 1969 01:23:01,590 --> 01:23:03,492 You could not wait to get to work in the morning. 1970 01:23:03,525 --> 01:23:06,361 It was a happy place. 1971 01:23:06,395 --> 01:23:08,430 We all knew we had a mission, 1972 01:23:08,463 --> 01:23:11,433 but we all wanted to go and be on the journey together. 1973 01:23:11,466 --> 01:23:13,870 You may say that the products at the end of the day 1974 01:23:13,903 --> 01:23:18,640 were not products of great sociological significance, 1975 01:23:18,674 --> 01:23:22,444 but, you know, it's a product people enjoyed. 1976 01:23:22,477 --> 01:23:24,546 A product that made people happy. 1977 01:23:24,579 --> 01:23:27,349 So, what's the matter with that? 1978 01:23:32,955 --> 01:23:34,757 Are you willing to do a Pepsi Challenge? 1979 01:23:34,791 --> 01:23:38,427 I will not drink Coca-Cola under any circumstances. 1980 01:23:38,460 --> 01:23:39,528 So how do you want me to do this? 1981 01:23:39,561 --> 01:23:40,763 Just pick it up and drink it? 1982 01:23:40,797 --> 01:23:41,998 Are you sure they're different? 1983 01:23:42,031 --> 01:23:44,466 Boy, they both taste the same. 1984 01:23:46,635 --> 01:23:49,638 I get to keep my retirement! 1985 01:23:49,671 --> 01:23:51,908 Oh, goodness. 1986 01:23:51,941 --> 01:23:53,943 Never missed yet. It's the better product. 1987 01:23:53,976 --> 01:23:55,377 It tastes the same. 1988 01:23:57,446 --> 01:23:59,849 What's all this about anyway? 1989 01:24:01,164 --> 01:24:03,266 Subtitles by explosiveskull www.OpenSubtitles.org 159340

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