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They have not yet eaten. Do you want
to see them eat?
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I'm a goldfish.
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You have enough food. Otherwise, they
eat each other.
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This was a small disaster.
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A disaster is actually an incident
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that you are existing sources
wegvaagt.
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Two workers in a car accident can be
a disaster for a small company.
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It can also three hundred of the dead
are in a collision.
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A disaster varies per person and the
circumstances.
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For us, this was then a disaster.
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Everybody thinks that you are heroic
when it goes wrong.
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That's what we hope. In the police
academy cherish your dream.
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You challenge, if someone murdered or
raped, takes the lead and becomes a
hero.
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If a dangerous situation occurs, the
error or someone in charge should
take,
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that you have the courage to take
matters in our hands.
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Imagine that you are in such a
situation, then you still would not
know how you will respond.
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You hope that you will respond.
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In the church, " my dad said always
this.
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Courage is fear that up to God
prayers.
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I'll show you what we do have.
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Do you have some new friends?
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This we have in stock.
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It is a great garbage can with a lid.
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Thank you very much. <- - >- Sorry.
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In that time, everything was possible.
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There are even sold children drugs.
Twelve - and dertienjarigen.
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There was a large cocaïneprobleem.
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I also used, which made it difficult.
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There was not so much in our
building, but in the environment.
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You look good. According to grandma,
you had lost so much weight, but you
look fit.
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I survive on food from McDonald's.
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That is easier than going to a
restaurant.
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It is too expensive, so we will be
home more often to eat.
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I don't think about someone's life or
how that person was,
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but if I after the autopsy with the
family talk and their more info
provide,
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then, I express my condolences to the
family.
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I would also say how very sad I find
it that them this happened.
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I pieker not about every case.
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I pieker also not about the life of
the victim after an autopsy.
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I was involved... There was me shot.
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They wondered why I didn't
terugschoot, but I was looking for
just coverage.
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I was involved in a lot of situations
where one on me lap.
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That has me shaken up.
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I was a burly guy and sportte
intensive at the university.
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I was not vechtjas. Due to my height
challenged me.
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We were usually on the stairs in the
backyard.
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Our barbecue was there and we cooked
there.
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We sat comfortably in the backyard
and then he walked over.
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One day he wanted to a garbage bag
buitenzetten.
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I spoke to him.
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We had a short conversation about how
he went and how long he already was
here.
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Why you'll come to all the blacks
live?
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It was close to his work. And that's
why he had moved.
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He was very friendly, but also very
introverted.
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He had not many friends in the
building,
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but he spoke to me, always.
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How's it going? <- - >- Good.
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I am Andy. <- - >- Brian.
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I'm Jeff. <- - >- We are Eye In The
Sky.
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We come for the quote.
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It works like this. I have a few
pamphlets of cameras.
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Brian measure everything and I'll
give you a cost estimate.
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Which rooms do you want to protect?
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This is the only space. <- - >- You
can set multiple cameras to choose.
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Ordinary cameras, hidden cameras,
wireless cameras, bodycams.
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Here you can see the difference
between the 2 cameras. This is a list
with data.
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I was cooking and gave him a sandwich
to work.
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Sometimes I went with him, and drank
a beer with him.
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There was no problem. In the
beginning, anyway.
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There fell to me a few trifles. For
example, a suitcase.
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That he had of his grandmother and he
left with a taxi to there.
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It was a case of about 1,83 metres.
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He had trouble getting them to come
inside,
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so I had my door open so that he
could run.
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He was benign compared to others.
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What he had, he shared with you.
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It was a night with high humidity. It
was really sticky again.
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When we in the apartment arrived, we
stood in the hall.
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It was a hall with lots of glass with
a staircase and lift to the three
floors.
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If you got, smoke, you'll immediately
notice the rotten smell of death.
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So I will describe the death. On the
basis of the smell.
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You have perhaps already rotting
animals smelled,
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but a corpse that's been there for a
while, has a unique scent
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that I only with coffee can compare,
because I am a coffee drinker.
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If you like the smell of coffee, but
then to an island is brought in,
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thirty to sixty days, where no coffee
is.
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Then, when you return, and coffee
smells, you will recognize
immediately the smell of coffee.
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It jumps you immediately to the
inside. So it goes with me too at the
smell of death.
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We lay in bed to sleep, because my
husband had in the morning to go to
work.
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He left around six o'clock. It was
after eleven o'clock, and Jeff was
there.
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There was someone at his home.
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You could hear the music, but his
door was open.
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The police came and I heard them on
my door to talk.
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An agent said handcuffs to take.
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They were with him on the wrestling.
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He cried like a wild beast. Something
I had never heard.
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It was a loud and inhumane screech.
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I jumped in my bed with my man and
pulled the sheets over my head.
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I said that I didn't know what was
going on, but Jeff had to do.
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He said that the police had to call,
so I said that was already present.
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You can get the case open? I have
luggage.
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Of course. <- - >- Thank You.
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Do I need help? <- - >- That is not
necessary.
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How goes it with you? <- - >- Good.
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Brings me to the Oxford apartments?
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I remember the stench of the gas
formaldehyde.
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You could also have a preservative
smell.
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It was something misselijkmakends and
death.
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I remember that I was in the corridor
stood, and the agent looked at.
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We stood there together and then
there was a gust of wind.
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That blew me over and I fell on my
knees.
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He began to give.
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I saw a fellow police officer.
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When I came to him stepped, I saw
that his uniform crumpled.
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He was sweating like an ox and was
wet.
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His shirt and tie were loose.
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His hair was wild and he was sweating
very hard.
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His eyes were wide widened.
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Very atypical for an agent. I said,
'Ralph, what is the matter?'
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He replied, " Go in the fridge look."
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You may put your chin on this place.
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Look to the light.
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Where do you work currently? <- - >-
In a chocolate factory.
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When I detective was, I was already
nine years agent.
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I already had a lot of terrible
things seen.
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I knew that the suspect was already
arrested and cuffed.
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There were two armed policemen with
me.
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My colleague and I were also armed,
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so I knew that I was not in danger.
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Sometimes researchers or the police
called
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to parts of the body, or dissolved
meat to identify and investigate,
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that both human or non-human.
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Usually, the non-human.
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Often it is so far dissolved, so that
the human looks.
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For example, if hunters have a bear
kill.
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The legs and claws have nearly the
same skeletal structure as humans.
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They are often wrong interpreted.
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The refrigerator was almost empty.
There was only a cardboard box.
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In that cardboard box was the severed
head of an Afro-American man.
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The eyes and mouth were widened.
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Behind it stood a box of baking soda
from Arm & Hammer open.
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My mother did that for a fresh smell
in the refrigerator.
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In the door that I opened, were the
sauces.
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Mustard, ketchup, chili sauce.
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From head to toe screamed at my body
to immediately go away.
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Here must be a supervisor to recover.
This is my virtual hat to the top.
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Within five minutes came lieutenant
Hurell.
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When he was the head in the fridge
and saw backwards people moved,
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he looked at me and said, " Pat, take
him to the office.'
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"Stay with him and nobody is allowed
to talk to him.'
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'District, not of his side.' "If he
comes to the toilet, you help him."
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'Stay with him and make sure that no
one him like."
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I thought that nobody had found, and
that Jeff it framed.
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It was said that someone at his home
was murdered.
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I didn't think Jeff something done
wrong.
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We crossed him in the distant
interrogation room.
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My interrogation room was 3 to 3.5
metres with an iron table and two
chairs.
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The first thing he said was: 'You go
to me, not let you clobber?'
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I said, " No, no one will you a
flogging.'
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'Only I will have to speak to you.'
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'Before we start, I go get coffee.'
'Do you want coffee or a cigarette?'
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He replied, " Like to have both.'
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His apartment had one bedroom and was
very comfortable.
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Great police officers took pictures,
did research and gathered evidence.
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You could be difficult to maneuver in
the apartment.
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It was a complete chaos. There were
everywhere agents.
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There were everywhere people, and
there were a lot of cameras.
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Everyone stepped outside with the
camera operators to talk to.
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Everyone thought: 'I want to be on
tv."
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I said: 'I do not go out." "We don't
know what's going on.'
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Sometimes you come to a crime scene,
and there are jokes made.
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They talk about basketball games
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or about what that weekend is going
to do.
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This one was different.
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They were excited by what they had
seen
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and how it felt.
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It was very quiet.
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I raised my hand and said: 'My name
is Pat Kennedy.'
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"I'll go with you to talk about the
head in the fridge.'
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At that time he said to me: 'I can be
better not to speak to you.'
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I found that very strange.
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Some say simply that they have
nothing to lose want.
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Who wants to confess before, there is
reports.
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Usually they say just that they are a
lawyer want.
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Never had someone so expressed.
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He was polite and businesslike. He
mastered the English language well.
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"I can be better not to speak to you.'
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That is old-fashioned.
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When I was there, moved, came the
heavy plate immediately los.
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They will just silicone in spray.
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How's it going?
- I come, my barrel get.
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Well, is your car here?
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Are you going as?
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Well then, please.
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Thank you.
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He asked me what would happen if he
is not with me talking.
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I explained that I was stilted from
how our registration process happened.
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I explained and he nodded. He knew
the registration process clearly.
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He asked then whether he is a private
cell could get.
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When he asked, I knew that he the
registration process knew.
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In the police station of Milwaukee,
you got your own cell,
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if you are complete insane and not in
others familiar could be.
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Or if you are underage, you were
separated, because for them we had no
place.
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Otherwise, you came to the common
cell, what a filthy place it was.
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It stank and it was packed.
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You could have both next to a
murderer as a drunk driver sit.
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I noticed that he was afraid of the
common cell.
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I said that it was a busy evening.
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"Every cell is full and the common
cell at all.'
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"You can stay here and talk with me,"
He had already coffee and a cigarette.
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"or you can have it."
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There was a portable freezer at the
front.
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He was exactly out of place in that
space.
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Especially in such a small apartment.
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We have long doubted whether we would
open it and view its contents.
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We did not expect, but then when we
had opened,
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we saw a head.
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Then, things became very serious for
us.
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You want them not to be comfortable,
so you take a position in.
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You will be close enough for intimate
contact,
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but keep a distance so they are not
threatened.
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When I spoke with him, I said that
about other things could talk.
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From then on, we have much discussed.
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We discussed first job at the
chocolate factory
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and why he 25th street as a base
chose.
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There was a bus stop that he could
take and was so quick at his work.
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He lived there because it was
affordable.
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He said that he wants his money
rather spent on his hobbies.
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00:27:33,462 --> 00:27:37,258
Such as gay bars. He ate mostly at
the restaurant.
230
00:27:37,445 --> 00:27:39,680
We also talked a lot about religion.
231
00:27:39,704 --> 00:27:43,704
I am catholic and have five years of
seminars followed.
232
00:27:44,259 --> 00:27:49,899
I know something about martin Luther
and the lutheranisme and he also.
233
00:27:49,923 --> 00:27:55,758
We also discussed whether God exists
and whether there is a god.
234
00:27:56,984 --> 00:28:02,899
From that conversation about God,
showed that he was in a higher power
is believed in.
235
00:28:03,125 --> 00:28:08,712
He did not know whether it is God or
the devil, but that there is
something more powerful as he was.
236
00:28:09,047 --> 00:28:14,110
So it became alcoholism.
237
00:28:14,220 --> 00:28:18,118
I noticed that he was drunk.
238
00:28:18,805 --> 00:28:25,344
Occasionally bazelde he suddenly: 'it
was Unbelievable that me this happens
to.'
239
00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:28,789
I asked what he meant: "I can't
believe I got caught."
240
00:28:29,414 --> 00:28:33,555
I said, 'What had you expected?' He
said: 'I was drunk.'
241
00:28:33,579 --> 00:28:37,016
"I lost control and was drunk,
because otherwise I would't be here.'
242
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,344
He told me what had happened, but
referring always to the alcohol.
243
00:28:42,577 --> 00:28:47,023
I gave myself to ever alcohol
problems to have had.
244
00:28:47,047 --> 00:28:53,390
I told him that the head in the
fridge and the alcohol with each
other.
245
00:29:00,180 --> 00:29:03,836
'If you are really an alcoholic, is
that if illness is recognized.'
246
00:29:05,070 --> 00:29:10,961
Then he lifted a corner of the veil:
'My deeds are not good to talk.'
247
00:29:10,985 --> 00:29:13,516
He did not say what he had done, but
gave little hints.
248
00:29:13,540 --> 00:29:18,086
I felt that he groaned and began to
confess.
249
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:21,281
Should it be settled?
250
00:29:22,836 --> 00:29:24,836
Can I have a box?
251
00:29:25,540 --> 00:29:30,868
Last time I had a bag, but that broke
in the bus.
252
00:29:31,961 --> 00:29:35,000
The bottles were empty in the bus.
253
00:29:35,626 --> 00:29:39,024
Can I do this once a box get?
- I will be alone.
254
00:30:16,915 --> 00:30:18,369
Can I have a cheque to write?
255
00:30:28,572 --> 00:30:29,853
$5,39.
256
00:30:31,009 --> 00:30:36,813
They took stuff out of his apartment
and put them in the hallway.
257
00:30:37,532 --> 00:30:39,821
Boxes for office supplies.
258
00:30:40,110 --> 00:30:45,086
Ten, twenty, fifty...
259
00:30:46,063 --> 00:30:51,813
Eventually, there were sixty. They
would all pile up them on each other
in the hallway.
260
00:30:52,165 --> 00:30:55,985
If I koffieruimte in and walked out,
261
00:30:56,009 --> 00:31:00,032
asked the lieutenant each time he
said something.
262
00:31:00,056 --> 00:31:03,282
"No, we have other things to discuss.'
263
00:31:03,790 --> 00:31:05,727
"He asked a lawyer?'
- 'No, not yet.'
264
00:31:05,837 --> 00:31:10,587
I went back inside and eventually,
after two hours,
265
00:31:10,611 --> 00:31:13,689
knocked the lieutenant to the door
and asked if he could speak.
266
00:31:13,713 --> 00:31:16,392
He pulled me out, and I asked: 'What
is the matter?'
267
00:31:16,986 --> 00:31:21,525
We investigate that large, sealed
barrel in his bedroom.
268
00:31:21,549 --> 00:31:28,422
There are boxes with hydrochloric
acid, flammable, dangerous, and
attention.
269
00:31:28,447 --> 00:31:32,673
There are cables along the wall of
all his electrical devices.
270
00:31:33,463 --> 00:31:38,665
The forensic team feared that a fall
is.
271
00:31:38,689 --> 00:31:43,165
Or that something will explode if
they have something to oppose.
272
00:31:43,290 --> 00:31:48,110
I can best describe it: we were of
the museum to dismantle.
273
00:31:48,524 --> 00:31:51,266
When we were in the hallway got
274
00:31:51,555 --> 00:31:58,625
we found in a small box cooking pot,
stainless steel.
275
00:31:58,828 --> 00:32:03,016
When we looked, we saw hands
276
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:09,290
and testicles that is dried.
277
00:32:09,314 --> 00:32:11,673
They don't want to move before you
have asked.
278
00:32:11,697 --> 00:32:14,509
I went inside and spoke to him and
said, " Jeff...'
279
00:32:16,063 --> 00:32:18,219
Our forensic team is in your
apartment.
280
00:32:18,243 --> 00:32:25,219
They fear the large barrel, the boxes
of hydrochloric acid, flammable, and
dangerous.
281
00:32:25,243 --> 00:32:28,532
They see that all the electrical
devices in the electrical outlet.
282
00:32:28,751 --> 00:32:34,407
Suddenly, you saw the realization:
"you Are my home really looking for?'
283
00:32:35,399 --> 00:32:39,485
I said, " We will anyway do, Jeff.'
284
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:43,891
I said: 'of Course, there is a murder
happened." "We'll search everything.'
285
00:32:45,172 --> 00:32:51,492
We found three skulls that sprayed
with dark gray paint.
286
00:32:54,343 --> 00:32:59,733
I was impressed by how professional
they looked.
287
00:32:59,928 --> 00:33:06,108
I found it hard to grasp that the
real skulls were, because they looked
not so.
288
00:33:07,858 --> 00:33:15,459
My assistant, Dr Taggits, took his
pocket knife and scraped some paint
off.
289
00:33:15,585 --> 00:33:19,928
Then we saw the teeth really tooth
enamel.
290
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:26,169
Then I realized that we have three
bodies, extra,had,
291
00:33:26,193 --> 00:33:29,200
because the were skulls of people.
292
00:33:31,229 --> 00:33:37,126
I could not believe that he is
someone else, something promising.
293
00:33:37,151 --> 00:33:40,932
They pulled more and more stuff to
the outside. What was in those pots?
294
00:33:41,565 --> 00:33:43,994
I asked.
295
00:33:44,221 --> 00:33:48,486
They told me that there is a pot with
penises.
296
00:33:48,931 --> 00:33:54,024
There were also boxes with penises.
297
00:33:55,696 --> 00:33:59,554
There were many photos of people.
298
00:34:00,983 --> 00:34:04,351
The were bodies of dead people.
299
00:34:07,616 --> 00:34:11,553
A typical moordondervraging takes
about 3.5 hours,
300
00:34:11,578 --> 00:34:15,045
for them to confessions pass. We were
three hours.
301
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:17,780
We had already been three hours and
ten minutes of talk.
302
00:34:18,014 --> 00:34:23,670
He said that we all would discover.
303
00:34:23,991 --> 00:34:27,944
'It doesn't matter.' "I may as well
tell you.'
304
00:34:28,733 --> 00:34:30,561
I thought that was good.
305
00:34:31,451 --> 00:34:34,911
I took pen and paper and began to
write.
306
00:34:34,935 --> 00:34:39,302
He said: 'Pat, if I do my actions
tell,'
307
00:34:40,536 --> 00:34:42,685
'you will hate me.'
308
00:34:45,052 --> 00:34:49,622
"I have just seen.' "Your deeds will
not change that.'
309
00:34:49,646 --> 00:34:51,911
I said that I have many murderers had
spoken.
310
00:34:51,935 --> 00:34:58,052
"I judge by the way no one.' "We
talked about God, and I condemn you
not."
311
00:34:58,076 --> 00:35:01,982
'That's not the point.' "I am here in
order to fix this problem.'
312
00:35:02,006 --> 00:35:05,879
He said: "If I'm telling you this,
you will be famous.'
313
00:35:21,630 --> 00:35:26,450
Come later along. Then you get no
problems.
314
00:35:27,536 --> 00:35:29,403
Thank you. <- - >- Bye bye.
315
00:35:42,637 --> 00:35:48,121
He said that he is just as good in
the beginning and could start if he
would confess.
316
00:35:48,145 --> 00:35:50,551
I took my pen to write.
317
00:35:50,575 --> 00:35:56,575
When he told about his first murder
thirteen years earlier, in Bath, Ohio.
318
00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:58,075
When he was eighteen.
319
00:35:58,911 --> 00:36:00,520
I put my pen down.
320
00:36:00,544 --> 00:36:05,036
Then he told about Ohio State, what
he already had.
321
00:36:05,192 --> 00:36:11,402
When he hither moved, he made a
second victim in the Ambassador Hotel.
322
00:36:11,426 --> 00:36:14,269
That he had drugged and beaten to
death, but that he remembered no more.
323
00:36:15,824 --> 00:36:21,566
Then he had about two or three other
victims.
324
00:36:22,254 --> 00:36:25,644
I wrote nothing, because thought it
was bullshit.
325
00:36:25,668 --> 00:36:28,902
I thought he really was crazy.
326
00:36:30,402 --> 00:36:34,245
He had still said nothing about the
head in the fridge, which to me only,
I was interested in.
327
00:36:37,008 --> 00:36:40,773
Two, three, seven...
328
00:36:40,944 --> 00:36:45,084
We had seven skulls and five
skeletons.
329
00:36:50,733 --> 00:36:54,998
Also severed hands and photos.
330
00:36:55,373 --> 00:37:00,662
I went again to get coffee and he
asked again: 'Pat confesses he been
on?'
331
00:37:00,686 --> 00:37:06,709
I said: 'Yes, he talks, but he says
three or four people to have killed.'
332
00:37:06,733 --> 00:37:11,787
"He said nothing about the head in
the fridge.' "I think he's crazy and
lying.'
333
00:37:12,045 --> 00:37:14,693
Then said the lieutenant: "it's not,
Pat.'
334
00:37:14,717 --> 00:37:19,849
Mike has called. They had six heads,
but also body parts and penises.
335
00:37:19,873 --> 00:37:23,904
I said, 'What?' He said that there
are multiple victims were.
336
00:37:25,341 --> 00:37:28,201
I went with a different setup inside.
337
00:37:28,225 --> 00:37:33,217
I took my pen and said, " Let's start
again with the Bath, Ohio.'
338
00:37:34,616 --> 00:37:36,170
How's it going? <- - >- Good.
339
00:37:36,561 --> 00:37:40,358
Can I have a bottle of rum? That
cheap there.
340
00:37:41,139 --> 00:37:43,724
This? <- - >- Yes, thank you.
341
00:37:45,348 --> 00:37:46,653
Is that all?
342
00:37:50,138 --> 00:37:52,067
$10,57. <- - >- Can I have a cheque
to write?
343
00:37:52,091 --> 00:37:53,325
Yes, no problem.
344
00:37:54,927 --> 00:37:56,223
How's it going? <- - >- Good.
345
00:37:57,496 --> 00:38:00,090
We want to book a room. <- - >-
Single or double room?
346
00:38:01,745 --> 00:38:04,791
Double or twin room. <- - >- That is
more than $38,15.
347
00:38:04,815 --> 00:38:06,736
Is it for one night? <- - >- Yes.
348
00:38:11,885 --> 00:38:13,564
Have you been here before?
349
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:18,345
Ever once, when I was thirteen years
old.
350
00:38:18,845 --> 00:38:22,576
Remained you went to sleep? <- - >-
Think for a Moment.
351
00:38:22,601 --> 00:38:28,468
I think so. My parents did that
sometimes.
352
00:38:29,561 --> 00:38:33,451
I've only just eaten. <- - >- Here
demeanor.
353
00:38:43,654 --> 00:38:49,661
There was a large, round barrel in
the corner.
354
00:38:49,841 --> 00:38:53,692
When we moved, klutste it back and
forth.
355
00:38:53,716 --> 00:38:57,216
There was a liquid in, but we didn't
know what.
356
00:38:58,146 --> 00:39:01,677
I wanted that spot is not open.
357
00:39:02,458 --> 00:39:07,114
The self transport bore me worry.
358
00:39:08,004 --> 00:39:13,464
I saw us already accidentally
dropped, or an entire reportage on tv.
359
00:39:14,393 --> 00:39:20,486
Evidence from the crime scene, the
move causes us always ensure.
360
00:39:20,510 --> 00:39:23,252
That we should be careful to address.
361
00:39:23,486 --> 00:39:29,415
We can the body does not tarnish,
drop, or out of our hands, let it
slide.
362
00:39:29,962 --> 00:39:33,790
I focused on the agent and said:
363
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:37,891
"Call Hazmat.' He said that we had
not.
364
00:39:38,086 --> 00:39:42,641
We hire them in. I said that we
needed there.
365
00:39:42,696 --> 00:39:48,008
It was two young guys.
Twentysomethings.
366
00:39:48,032 --> 00:39:53,336
They seemed unprepared on what to
expect,
367
00:39:53,361 --> 00:39:57,842
but bleaching is a sight to behold,
to know, and they have done a good
job.
368
00:39:57,867 --> 00:40:02,242
They had clearly not expected to be
in something to get involved.
369
00:40:04,991 --> 00:40:06,389
Lieutenant, was the raft?
370
00:40:06,413 --> 00:40:11,928
We are investigating a murder in an
apartment in 25th street.
371
00:40:11,952 --> 00:40:16,764
We have gathered evidence with the
help of the research team.
372
00:40:18,561 --> 00:40:21,490
There is one suspect arrested.
373
00:40:21,865 --> 00:40:25,911
The chances are that there will still
be murders recover.
374
00:40:26,427 --> 00:40:30,208
We chatted until half past eleven in
the morning.
375
00:40:30,232 --> 00:40:36,200
When he had been fifteen victims no.
376
00:40:39,036 --> 00:40:42,563
I tried to understand what was going
on.
377
00:40:42,891 --> 00:40:44,891
I could hardly contain.
378
00:40:44,915 --> 00:40:51,930
How could he do all this here to do?
379
00:40:52,711 --> 00:41:00,940
Under our noses at all those people.
Neighbors, the elderly...
380
00:41:01,143 --> 00:41:04,518
People if I were friends with you.
381
00:41:04,815 --> 00:41:12,720
You sat there, cut people to pieces
and ate parts of the body.
382
00:41:13,274 --> 00:41:16,289
I have a roll of you eaten.
383
00:41:16,313 --> 00:41:19,773
I ate maybe parts of the body.
384
00:41:19,797 --> 00:41:22,883
How dare you give me this to do?
385
00:41:52,508 --> 00:41:57,085
The police of Wisconsin is
investigating a startling discovery
in Milwaukee.
386
00:41:57,110 --> 00:42:01,461
They found skulls in the fridge and
body parts in cupboards.
387
00:42:01,485 --> 00:42:05,047
A man who was attacked with a butcher
knife, led the police there.
388
00:42:05,071 --> 00:42:08,149
He killed as possible, eighteen men.
389
00:42:14,586 --> 00:42:16,761
How many persons were there in your
party?
390
00:42:21,987 --> 00:42:27,260
Do you want a room for smokers or not?
391
00:42:36,032 --> 00:42:37,617
What is your last name?
392
00:42:40,952 --> 00:42:45,484
The next day I wanted with no one to
talk to.
393
00:42:45,508 --> 00:42:50,078
I also wanted to see no one and spoke
not even with my husband.
394
00:42:50,735 --> 00:42:56,164
I remember that he went to work and
me only left
395
00:42:56,843 --> 00:43:01,921
in the building where all those body
parts to my door piled up there.
396
00:43:02,499 --> 00:43:06,944
The whole building was scared to
death.
397
00:43:11,248 --> 00:43:16,216
I am Dr. Jeffrey Jentzen, the
gerechtsdokter.
398
00:43:16,787 --> 00:43:23,997
Currently, my team is still working
on the identification.
399
00:43:24,114 --> 00:43:31,067
We have provisionally eleven bodies
identified,
400
00:43:31,091 --> 00:43:34,262
victims that we're out of the
apartment took.
401
00:43:35,989 --> 00:43:40,918
It was difficult to get much price to
give.
402
00:43:40,942 --> 00:43:42,848
There Is a sexual motive for the
murders?
403
00:43:43,965 --> 00:43:47,566
No comment. <- - >- There is some
evidence of cannibalism?
404
00:43:48,145 --> 00:43:51,769
Again, there is nothing
tegenstrijdigs...
405
00:43:51,793 --> 00:43:54,238
We take pictures of the crime scene,
406
00:43:54,262 --> 00:44:01,355
because you don't all the press can
handle.
407
00:44:02,457 --> 00:44:04,920
Your vision is very scary.
408
00:44:05,263 --> 00:44:08,669
There was so much info and there were
so many evidences.
409
00:44:08,693 --> 00:44:12,786
It was hard to keep everything in
perspective.
410
00:44:13,224 --> 00:44:19,644
We reviewed the photos again and
again,
411
00:44:19,669 --> 00:44:23,598
to make a judgement and new
impressions.
412
00:44:28,284 --> 00:44:32,448
When I got home, I was excited.
413
00:44:33,253 --> 00:44:35,253
When I entered the court,
414
00:44:36,089 --> 00:44:40,292
sat my wife on the corner of the seat
to watch tv,
415
00:44:40,316 --> 00:44:43,292
where nothing else than Dahmer to see.
416
00:44:44,831 --> 00:44:46,995
You saw that she was upset.
417
00:44:47,020 --> 00:44:52,729
This was the first thing she said, "
Tell me that you're not here
involved.'
418
00:44:53,284 --> 00:44:59,010
I said that his confession was
diminished, and there certainly was
involved.
419
00:44:59,034 --> 00:45:02,963
I said: 'Tomorrow morning I go back
to work and him back to interrogate.'
420
00:45:05,283 --> 00:45:09,970
I did not want to fight about, but we
were disagree.
421
00:45:09,994 --> 00:45:13,853
They didn't want me to make with the
children spoke, what I wanted,
422
00:45:13,877 --> 00:45:16,947
but it was constantly in the news, so
you could not escape.
423
00:45:16,971 --> 00:45:20,924
He confessed to perhaps the most
gruesome murders in the history of
the USA.
424
00:45:20,948 --> 00:45:24,252
When I the next day the blue barrel
opened,
425
00:45:24,276 --> 00:45:28,338
I got there decaying corpses from.
426
00:45:29,338 --> 00:45:33,330
It was strange
427
00:45:33,354 --> 00:45:39,424
three skeletons from that barrel.
428
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:46,666
They asked him if he wanted to see
and he had asked me.
429
00:45:46,690 --> 00:45:51,525
He wanted to be with his neighbour
talk. I refused that.
430
00:45:51,682 --> 00:45:54,220
I didn't want to talk to him. He was
my friend.
431
00:45:55,736 --> 00:45:59,150
He used me like all the others.
432
00:45:59,174 --> 00:46:02,189
You are only for.
433
00:46:06,391 --> 00:46:11,328
Before Jeff in a cell was placed, I
had a deal with him closed.
434
00:46:11,977 --> 00:46:18,164
He was not allowed a lawyer to speak
to all victims identified.
435
00:46:18,188 --> 00:46:24,516
It amazes me that both he and his
lawyer the details want to challenge.
436
00:46:24,540 --> 00:46:30,078
The current details are horrific, but
it is just the tip of the iceberg.
437
00:46:31,251 --> 00:46:37,836
You can't just go back to talk to him
when you have someone locked up.
438
00:46:38,141 --> 00:46:40,625
That is against their rights.
439
00:46:40,820 --> 00:46:45,281
They may only speak to you if they
request.
440
00:46:45,437 --> 00:46:49,703
That gives a better insight into the
relationship with Jeffrey and build
up.
441
00:46:49,727 --> 00:46:55,305
He had therein invested themselves in
the come to terms.
442
00:46:58,235 --> 00:47:03,688
No one was allowed in his own
apartment to sleep. No one tried his
door.
443
00:47:04,524 --> 00:47:09,625
We wondered where the next night
would sleep.
444
00:47:09,649 --> 00:47:13,031
We decided then, but certainly to
sleep.
445
00:47:13,055 --> 00:47:17,586
We had a large room where the
elevators arrived.
446
00:47:17,727 --> 00:47:24,812
Everyone was in pajamas, with pillow
and blankets in there and lay there
on the floor.
447
00:47:24,836 --> 00:47:30,554
Along one side there was glass, so
you could look outside.
448
00:47:30,992 --> 00:47:33,984
You saw the outside only, but people
walk.
449
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,312
On the street and on the grass.
450
00:47:37,336 --> 00:47:40,804
They camped there and were everywhere.
451
00:47:41,937 --> 00:47:46,163
Some of the inhabitants want to move,
452
00:47:46,187 --> 00:47:50,124
because their home and life, a sick
tourist attraction.
453
00:47:50,148 --> 00:47:52,640
That choice seems to be the
short-term sense.
454
00:47:52,665 --> 00:47:53,938
I am considering it.
455
00:47:54,828 --> 00:47:57,258
Really, I'm tired.
456
00:47:57,391 --> 00:48:01,461
I had a red seat that Jeffrey me had
given.
457
00:48:02,180 --> 00:48:06,851
That office was in my house and they
wanted to pay.
458
00:48:07,516 --> 00:48:10,914
$50 to get inside and in my seat.
459
00:48:11,688 --> 00:48:16,680
Someone else had a glass of where
Jeff ever water had drunk.
460
00:48:16,782 --> 00:48:20,539
They paid to be allowed to hold.
461
00:48:21,227 --> 00:48:22,649
I am so back.
462
00:48:40,396 --> 00:48:42,631
Thank you for waiting. <- - >- No
problem.
463
00:48:44,905 --> 00:48:48,959
At the end of the third day, before
he was appointed to the court would
go,
464
00:48:48,983 --> 00:48:53,826
he said that he was worried for the
next day to the court.
465
00:48:54,044 --> 00:48:57,490
He already knew that there is a media
storm raged,
466
00:48:57,514 --> 00:49:01,365
because I brought the newspaper and
showed him what they about him and
wrote.
467
00:49:01,435 --> 00:49:05,270
He feared there unwashed and messy.
468
00:49:05,294 --> 00:49:08,731
That he was in a crazy costume had to
take office.
469
00:49:08,755 --> 00:49:12,083
This is a picture of Jeffrey Dahmer
(1992),
470
00:49:12,107 --> 00:49:16,114
so it is interesting to see how his
appearance changed.
471
00:49:16,138 --> 00:49:18,333
He appears as such for the court.
472
00:49:18,357 --> 00:49:21,849
I went to the house. My oldest son
was a sophomore.
473
00:49:21,873 --> 00:49:25,490
He was 1m88 and weighed 84kg.
474
00:49:26,684 --> 00:49:33,082
I asked him if he a shirt or pants
had he not liked it.
475
00:49:33,107 --> 00:49:35,997
He pulled out a blue-witgestreept
shirt above.
476
00:49:36,021 --> 00:49:40,332
This shirt you gave me as a christmas
present, but I will never wear.
477
00:49:40,357 --> 00:49:42,620
He also gave me a black pair of jeans.
478
00:49:42,645 --> 00:49:46,403
Then the next day I went back, and
prepared us for the court.
479
00:49:46,427 --> 00:49:48,559
I gave it to Jeffrey, and he did it.
480
00:49:48,583 --> 00:49:52,255
There is a Jeffrey Dahmer in the
striped shirt. He is the accused.
481
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,928
He has decided to tell the truth.
482
00:49:56,952 --> 00:49:59,881
That shirt appeared on People
Magazine.
483
00:49:59,905 --> 00:50:04,577
The blue-witgestreepte shirt where it
said that he is a tennis player
looked like.
484
00:50:04,601 --> 00:50:06,913
They were looking for a reason for
that choice.
485
00:50:06,937 --> 00:50:10,101
He was wearing just the shirt and the
pants of my son.
486
00:50:10,890 --> 00:50:15,195
They brought him back to a cell.
487
00:50:15,219 --> 00:50:21,140
He dressed out, because he had a
gevangenisplunje do.
488
00:50:21,272 --> 00:50:23,374
He wanted me the shirt and the pants
return.
489
00:50:24,078 --> 00:50:28,163
Then I said, 'Jeff, love them.'
490
00:50:29,554 --> 00:50:32,975
I stood to the north of the
supermarket.
491
00:50:33,436 --> 00:50:39,787
A man in a car had seen me and
suddenly surrounded several cars for
me.
492
00:50:40,209 --> 00:50:42,943
That people wanted to talk with me.
493
00:50:42,967 --> 00:50:46,840
They said that they were victims.
494
00:50:46,865 --> 00:50:50,754
"He has killed my brother.' "He has
my son been murdered.'
495
00:50:50,779 --> 00:50:55,466
I tried them to explain that I had
nothing to do with it.
496
00:50:55,490 --> 00:51:00,207
This you hear at the local police or
the local hospital to say.
497
00:51:00,232 --> 00:51:02,036
Why do you blame us?
498
00:51:02,357 --> 00:51:05,817
Why don't you give me the blame? I
have nothing done wrong.
499
00:51:05,841 --> 00:51:07,841
They said that that was the problem.
500
00:51:08,498 --> 00:51:15,474
According to me, they wanted to just
something...
501
00:51:16,162 --> 00:51:18,255
They wanted someone to blame.
502
00:51:18,794 --> 00:51:22,512
They saw me not as a victim,
503
00:51:22,536 --> 00:51:26,106
while I cited was that I am just like
them was a victim.
504
00:51:34,026 --> 00:51:35,408
Good morning, sir.
505
00:51:53,617 --> 00:51:54,961
Good morning.
506
00:53:08,827 --> 00:53:10,381
Good morning, sir.
507
00:53:12,139 --> 00:53:13,810
I'll check out.
508
00:53:25,621 --> 00:53:26,902
How was your stay?
509
00:53:30,292 --> 00:53:33,792
Who would have thought that this
happened?
510
00:53:33,816 --> 00:53:38,987
They said that I was the police or
the hospital called.
511
00:53:39,011 --> 00:53:41,011
That we have called.
512
00:53:41,199 --> 00:53:44,839
They came along and looked around for
a minute. Jeff, of course, was not at
home.
513
00:53:44,863 --> 00:53:50,698
We called the police, but who could
do nothing. They could not easily
invade.
514
00:53:52,050 --> 00:53:57,659
He had many locks on his door. Up to
six.
515
00:53:58,190 --> 00:54:03,245
They couldn't go inside. They thought
he would not hurt a fly did.
516
00:54:03,643 --> 00:54:06,792
He is doing nothing wrong. Interfere
you with your own business.
517
00:54:12,183 --> 00:54:17,136
They showed Dennis Murphy, a seasoned
pro, come along.
518
00:54:17,230 --> 00:54:20,651
He could murder a great examine. We
were always together.
519
00:54:20,675 --> 00:54:23,831
He was there always for security
reasons,
520
00:54:23,855 --> 00:54:27,433
but also everything according to the
letter from the conduct,
521
00:54:27,457 --> 00:54:30,121
because I was still an inexperienced
investigator.
522
00:54:30,145 --> 00:54:34,348
We wanted each victim to identify.
523
00:54:34,373 --> 00:54:37,380
The evidence at the crime scene the
victims to help identify them.
524
00:54:37,404 --> 00:54:39,505
It was a large company.
525
00:54:39,529 --> 00:54:43,521
Do not forget that the human gene in
1991, it all unraveled,
526
00:54:43,545 --> 00:54:48,365
but it was not yet in the judicial
investigation.
527
00:54:48,506 --> 00:54:53,389
We had information from Jeffrey
Dahmer get
528
00:54:53,615 --> 00:54:59,184
and that with the found body parts in
his apartment trying to comply with
it.
529
00:54:59,209 --> 00:55:03,373
Some persons had he then no part of
the body preserved.
530
00:55:05,826 --> 00:55:11,880
All the bodies were already
decomposed into skeletons, or were by
him gedissecteerd.
531
00:55:12,348 --> 00:55:14,348
There were no intact bodies.
532
00:55:15,152 --> 00:55:19,441
We had the paint sprayed skulls to
remove.
533
00:55:19,465 --> 00:55:23,855
Dr Storman managed with
verfverwijderaar.
534
00:55:24,441 --> 00:55:29,316
We visited the do-it-yourself business
535
00:55:29,340 --> 00:55:34,465
to the bodies to work.
536
00:55:35,231 --> 00:55:39,254
First, we determined the date on
which his victims said.
537
00:55:39,496 --> 00:55:43,456
Then we took his identification of
the victims.
538
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:48,784
He gave us the breed, sex, age,
length and weight.
539
00:55:48,808 --> 00:55:53,800
With that data we were looking for
all people who meet that criteria.
540
00:55:53,824 --> 00:55:56,175
A month or two before or after that
time.
541
00:55:56,199 --> 00:56:00,175
Detectives sought from, or which
cases are handled.
542
00:56:00,199 --> 00:56:04,558
Were these people found? They live?
Heard you have something of them?
543
00:56:04,582 --> 00:56:07,277
So we made a series of photographs.
544
00:56:07,301 --> 00:56:11,449
Both from our own cases as well as
pictures of the families.
545
00:56:11,473 --> 00:56:14,762
With that series we went to Jeffrey.
546
00:56:15,067 --> 00:56:18,191
He reduced the number of photos.
547
00:56:19,339 --> 00:56:23,902
We contacted a forensic dentist,
Thomas Johnson,
548
00:56:23,926 --> 00:56:26,097
that long with the FBI, worked
together
549
00:56:26,121 --> 00:56:29,738
and especially identifications on the
basis of teeth did.
550
00:56:30,551 --> 00:56:37,261
If we have the teeth exposed, he
could photos and x-rays.
551
00:56:37,464 --> 00:56:41,675
We worked together with the police.
552
00:56:41,699 --> 00:56:47,456
They brought unidentified bodies
inside.
553
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:53,175
We collected their gebitsgegevens and
identified them on the basis thereof.
554
00:56:53,823 --> 00:56:56,588
It took some time. It has six weeks.
555
00:56:56,612 --> 00:56:58,916
We could the number reduce.
556
00:56:58,940 --> 00:57:04,291
Thanks to the info from the outside,
his statements and by the
gebitsgegevens
557
00:57:05,666 --> 00:57:10,385
we were all victims to identify, even
those in which nothing was left.
558
00:58:01,050 --> 00:58:05,112
The agents came in may be in contact
with Jeffrey Dahmer,
559
00:58:05,136 --> 00:58:07,206
on a call of assault.
560
00:58:07,230 --> 00:58:11,745
Then said Dahmer that the
fourteen-year-old no child, but an
adult.
561
00:58:11,769 --> 00:58:16,511
He said that they loved ones were.
The police left the boy with Dahmer
last.
562
00:58:16,659 --> 00:58:19,831
Dahmer says the boy shortly
afterwards murdered.
563
00:58:19,855 --> 00:58:23,261
I had a period of insomnia.
564
00:58:24,042 --> 00:58:28,385
I drank to be able to sleep.
565
00:58:28,409 --> 00:58:32,924
I fell over unconscious. It was
unconsciously...
566
00:58:35,167 --> 00:58:40,221
So I had nothing to think. That I
wanted to achieve.
567
00:58:40,246 --> 00:58:43,613
I was tired of it constantly,
thinking.
568
00:58:44,879 --> 00:58:49,918
When I was in that period of six
weeks buitenkwam, talked to the other
detectives to me.
569
00:58:49,942 --> 00:58:51,348
They asked what he said.
570
00:58:51,372 --> 00:58:55,028
They took pictures of Jeffrey Dahmer
and me from the newspaper.
571
00:58:55,052 --> 00:58:59,270
They would all pile up them on my
desk.
572
00:59:01,013 --> 00:59:04,458
They were mean and said that he me to
the garden led
573
00:59:04,482 --> 00:59:07,177
and that I had committed.
574
00:59:40,430 --> 00:59:44,368
My sister called my mother and said:
"Look at the tv, mommy.'
575
00:59:44,393 --> 00:59:47,118
This Is not Pamela's building in
Milwaukee?
576
00:59:47,142 --> 00:59:51,915
They accused the police of racism and
insensitivity towards gays.
577
00:59:51,939 --> 00:59:55,001
They saw a group of people around me.
578
00:59:55,025 --> 00:59:58,376
She knew that nothing I could do.
579
00:59:58,822 --> 01:00:02,289
Eventually I was called.
580
01:00:02,314 --> 01:00:05,742
She said that I am not to the tv
would look and nothing was allowed to
read.
581
01:00:05,767 --> 01:00:12,688
As a chef, I do, but also the entire
department, take responsibility.
582
01:00:13,602 --> 01:00:15,602
It was just...
583
01:00:16,767 --> 01:00:20,290
I don't know how I should express it.
584
01:00:20,314 --> 01:00:26,415
The city of Milwaukee gave nothing to
do with the blacks.
585
01:00:26,439 --> 01:00:28,439
They showed no compassion.
586
01:00:32,118 --> 01:00:35,680
This was a unique crime scene
587
01:00:36,032 --> 01:00:40,063
and autopsy for a forensic
pathologist,
588
01:00:40,087 --> 01:00:44,704
because we had direct contact with
Dahmer.
589
01:00:45,267 --> 01:00:50,946
Dahmer communicated with the police.
590
01:00:50,970 --> 01:00:54,993
He had his debt already spoken.
591
01:00:55,227 --> 01:00:59,196
He helped the police in the
investigation.
592
01:00:59,712 --> 01:01:04,251
If we have an injury there, we called
the police.
593
01:01:04,276 --> 01:01:09,377
They shared our findings with Dahmer.
594
01:01:09,401 --> 01:01:13,033
That was a unique situation, as a
forensic pathologist.
595
01:01:13,057 --> 01:01:16,494
He confirmed your findings.
596
01:01:16,518 --> 01:01:18,518
He was not always honest.
597
01:01:20,542 --> 01:01:28,455
When I asked him about a new finding
questioned, he could explain more.
598
01:01:28,479 --> 01:01:33,518
What he told us, we could be
retracing, so we certainly were that
he told the truth.
599
01:01:34,378 --> 01:01:40,003
When I got the skulls examined and
dissecteerde,
600
01:01:40,143 --> 01:01:47,332
I noticed a bleeding to a hole in the
skull drilled.
601
01:01:47,769 --> 01:01:53,190
Bleeding means that one is an injury
suffered as there is still blood
pressure.
602
01:01:53,698 --> 01:01:59,354
If one is a corpse injures, when the
heart no longer beats,
603
01:01:59,378 --> 01:02:02,260
is there not a lot of blood in the
tissue is pumped.
604
01:02:02,284 --> 01:02:10,893
Because a hemorrhage around the hole
was visible, the wound of his death
arise.
605
01:02:11,127 --> 01:02:16,869
I examined the brain and found a
wondspoor.
606
01:02:16,894 --> 01:02:23,228
A track through the brain tissue that
gebloed had.
607
01:02:25,112 --> 01:02:29,945
I dissected and photographed it and
looked at it under the microscope.
608
01:02:29,970 --> 01:02:35,548
I said I had an inflammation in the
wound.
609
01:02:36,064 --> 01:02:42,008
If there is inflammation, there is a
certain period of time
610
01:02:42,033 --> 01:02:46,923
between the increase of the wound and
the death of the victim.
611
01:02:47,697 --> 01:02:52,212
Dr. Jentzen was concerned. How did
those holes in their skulls?
612
01:02:52,954 --> 01:02:57,282
Jeff said that he people opensneed
and seem to be dumped,
613
01:02:57,376 --> 01:03:00,618
but had not been told that he zombies
wanted to create,
614
01:03:00,821 --> 01:03:07,040
until we put to him the evidence
presented that there are holes in the
skulls drilled.
615
01:03:07,196 --> 01:03:12,478
We viewed it together with a
neuropathologist, an expert in
hersenanatomie and brain tissue.
616
01:03:12,704 --> 01:03:17,455
We found that the victim's wound
suffered when he was still alive.
617
01:03:17,917 --> 01:03:22,471
The victim still has a while lived,
after he injury suffered.
618
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:28,159
He shook his head and said that it
was a crazy idea of him was.
619
01:03:28,183 --> 01:03:32,183
He wanted someone to create that he
would not need to kill.
620
01:03:33,144 --> 01:03:36,683
I drilled in their head and
experimented with different things.
621
01:03:36,707 --> 01:03:40,519
I bored a hole of about an inch.
622
01:03:40,543 --> 01:03:46,642
Then I filled a syringe with a
mixture of hydrochloric acid and hot
water.
623
01:03:46,667 --> 01:03:52,096
If I can have that in their brains
spurting, I was hoping that they
would stop talking
624
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,830
and willoos were, but life remained,
625
01:03:55,946 --> 01:03:58,196
so they world sexual partners were.
626
01:03:58,438 --> 01:04:02,211
Eventually died, everyone I tried
them.
627
01:04:10,695 --> 01:04:14,273
It was not clear what to do with the
building would do.
628
01:04:14,298 --> 01:04:18,281
They questioned whether they would
sell or keep.
629
01:04:18,586 --> 01:04:25,390
Eventually it became very quickly
broken down.
630
01:04:26,202 --> 01:04:30,468
An old man and I were the last ones
in the house left.
631
01:04:30,765 --> 01:04:36,757
He would not go away, for had 27
years lived. He said: "They take me
to my house.'
632
01:04:37,148 --> 01:04:43,452
"I have nothing to do with all those
facts.' 'I have nothing done wrong,
so don't go away.'
633
01:04:44,148 --> 01:04:50,101
He remained to the bitter end, and
the police had him outside of
escorting.
634
01:04:50,336 --> 01:04:52,812
By him to confess to
635
01:04:52,837 --> 01:05:00,914
and the residents of Milwaukee to
serve, I got a more intimate contact
with him.
636
01:05:00,938 --> 01:05:06,803
We formed a band with him. We had
pity on him.
637
01:05:06,828 --> 01:05:09,312
He was a pitiful man.
638
01:05:10,414 --> 01:05:15,085
I had compassion with him. Before, I
hated myself also.
639
01:05:16,437 --> 01:05:18,671
Why I feel empathy for him?
640
01:05:18,695 --> 01:05:22,312
Why do I feel connected to him?
641
01:05:22,336 --> 01:05:25,656
The jokes that are often made and
that I just weglachte,
642
01:05:26,047 --> 01:05:28,804
remained when through my mind.
643
01:05:28,828 --> 01:05:32,437
I want the confession with detective
Kennedy discuss.
644
01:05:32,461 --> 01:05:34,578
If you just take a short look at it...
645
01:05:34,602 --> 01:05:39,071
I put all my energy into it. I
sometimes this thought.
646
01:05:39,095 --> 01:05:46,149
As Jeff about his hunt for a pleasant
and handsome victim spoke,
647
01:05:46,173 --> 01:05:50,688
how they got away, how he is mighty
and feeling better,
648
01:05:51,813 --> 01:05:59,967
then I saw the similarities to my
life.
649
01:05:59,992 --> 01:06:06,359
I had my home leave after a marriage
of eighteen years.
650
01:06:08,648 --> 01:06:15,023
To the police you have a good chance
at cross-border behavior.
651
01:06:15,047 --> 01:06:18,859
Because of the great interest in this
matter,
652
01:06:18,883 --> 01:06:25,250
I was local for a time recognized on
the street.
653
01:06:25,274 --> 01:06:29,664
That's right. <- - >- You have this
matter properly...
654
01:06:29,688 --> 01:06:31,570
You're the man of the matter Dahmer.
655
01:06:31,851 --> 01:06:35,961
Have a look here. This is the
detective of the case Dahmer.
656
01:06:35,985 --> 01:06:39,797
They came around me and gave me pats
on the back.
657
01:06:39,821 --> 01:06:42,719
I remember that very strange thought.
658
01:06:44,164 --> 01:06:49,796
One could opt for other housing
projects.
659
01:06:51,139 --> 01:06:56,162
You could choose, so I moved to
Parklawn.
660
01:06:56,568 --> 01:07:03,100
If it was discovered who you were,
started it all over again.
661
01:07:03,452 --> 01:07:10,850
One was friends with me for something
verkoopbaars to be able to get,
662
01:07:11,522 --> 01:07:15,147
if they tried you have a story to
scam.
663
01:07:16,835 --> 01:07:21,353
So they could say that I met and knew
me.
664
01:07:25,298 --> 01:07:30,641
You may remember the case of Jeffrey
Dahmer, from the early 90's in
Milwaukee.
665
01:07:30,734 --> 01:07:35,000
He took a dozen men to his apartment
and killed them.
666
01:07:36,008 --> 01:07:39,703
He abused and tortured them. He ate
them, so also is cannibalism.
667
01:07:40,016 --> 01:07:45,383
Would you be raincoat do if you was
offered?
668
01:07:49,702 --> 01:07:51,570
I would not do.
669
01:07:53,476 --> 01:07:55,476
Why not? It is but a raincoat.
670
01:07:57,062 --> 01:08:04,601
Indeed, but that is the last shred of
sense that I use.
671
01:08:06,359 --> 01:08:10,367
Publicly do I set it so for: I offer
$50,
672
01:08:10,671 --> 01:08:14,210
if one is an old sweater of an
assassin feel to it,
673
01:08:14,234 --> 01:08:17,366
but I do not say that he is a
murderer. Then all hands in the air.
674
01:08:17,390 --> 01:08:21,022
Then I ask if they would endure, if
they know that he is Jeffrey Dahmer.
675
01:08:21,046 --> 01:08:25,678
Most of the hands go down fast.
Suddenly take your emotions the upper
hand.
676
01:08:25,702 --> 01:08:30,131
There is nothing wetenschappelijks,
and there is nothing in the substance,
677
01:08:30,155 --> 01:08:36,537
but psychologically speaking, it
seems the aura of a villain us to be
able to infect.
678
01:08:36,561 --> 01:08:39,537
That is a powerful intuition.
679
01:08:52,628 --> 01:09:00,143
All the puzzle pieces fell together.
I got a clear picture of the facts,
680
01:09:00,167 --> 01:09:07,174
because for that you would not see
it. It was too horrific to imagine.
681
01:09:07,198 --> 01:09:13,955
If one asks a horror story to write,
would you write it down.
682
01:09:16,401 --> 01:09:21,314
He has lived it. We played into his
story.
683
01:09:24,650 --> 01:09:30,259
On Saturday, the jury decided after
only five hours that Jeffrey Dahmer
accountable,
684
01:09:30,283 --> 01:09:32,055
in all fifteen murders.
685
01:09:32,056 --> 01:09:36,235
After he was found guilty and
reprimanded by the court,
686
01:09:36,259 --> 01:09:38,259
I went to say bye to him.
687
01:09:38,993 --> 01:09:40,899
I shook his hand and said goodbye.
688
01:09:40,923 --> 01:09:45,712
He said that he is our conversations
and I would miss it.
689
01:09:45,736 --> 01:09:50,376
I said that to the airy to keep.
690
01:09:54,462 --> 01:09:57,180
It is strange to nineteen years later
talking about it.
691
01:09:57,204 --> 01:10:01,696
It was a combination of many elements.
692
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:08,555
I was busy with an important case,
and was treated like a king.
693
01:10:08,579 --> 01:10:12,696
They gave me pats on the back and
told me how well I dealt with it.
694
01:10:13,173 --> 01:10:15,173
You are working around the clock.
695
01:10:16,041 --> 01:10:23,767
Suddenly it's over and I'm in a small
apartment.
696
01:10:23,791 --> 01:10:26,095
Without furniture or friends.
697
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:29,853
It was dark and it was my birthday.
698
01:10:31,690 --> 01:10:37,220
My phone was not yet installed, so I
could have my children also do not
call.
699
01:10:37,868 --> 01:10:40,408
That night I had a little time to...
700
01:10:41,744 --> 01:10:45,806
I am ashamed to tell it. I then
started to cry.
701
01:10:51,689 --> 01:10:56,415
I was in the prison.
702
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:59,962
Because of an unpaid fine.
703
01:10:59,986 --> 01:11:04,532
I remember that I was in jail and
that it appeared on tv.
704
01:11:05,079 --> 01:11:12,188
Jeffrey Dahmer and one Anderson were
beaten up and killed.
705
01:11:12,212 --> 01:11:17,918
Everyone was right and applauded,
cuddled and kissed each other.
706
01:11:18,567 --> 01:11:21,309
I sat there and wept.
707
01:11:21,856 --> 01:11:26,450
I put myself right, and went to my
room. I closed myself in.
708
01:11:26,475 --> 01:11:30,254
I understood it not at all.
709
01:11:31,247 --> 01:11:37,262
I looked at them and thought: 'How
can you cheer? This is a life.'
710
01:11:37,895 --> 01:11:43,582
I cried so hard, so that a guard came
over to visit.
711
01:11:43,941 --> 01:11:48,566
'Pamela, what is going on?' 'Now I
understand it. I know who you are.'
712
01:11:49,370 --> 01:11:54,152
She said that I was the only one who
to him cried. No one else would do
that.
713
01:11:55,262 --> 01:11:59,262
I don't understand why people go to
scary movies
714
01:11:59,287 --> 01:12:06,997
with murders with chainsaws and other
macabre stories.
715
01:12:08,708 --> 01:12:09,935
Legends.
716
01:12:10,130 --> 01:12:15,958
The last scary movie I saw was The
Exorcist and that is 20 to 30 years
ago.
717
01:12:16,293 --> 01:12:18,293
I don't go to scary movies to watch.
718
01:12:43,715 --> 01:12:48,690
In 1992, Jeffrey Dahmer, accountable
explained and got 957 years for 17
murders.
719
01:12:48,715 --> 01:12:58,253
Two years later, at the age of 34, he
was killed by a fellow prisoner.
720
01:13:05,675 --> 01:13:09,112
Dr. Jeffrey Jentzen stopped in 2008
as coroner.
721
01:13:09,136 --> 01:13:14,432
He now works for the University of
Michigan in Ann Arbor where he and
his family lived.
722
01:13:14,456 --> 01:13:19,948
He loves lectures about the
procedures used in the case of Dahmer.
723
01:13:25,815 --> 01:13:30,900
Pat Kennedy took over in 1996
dismissal from the police, has
remarried and still lives in
Milwaukee.
724
01:13:30,924 --> 01:13:34,720
He studied further and now gives the
police at UW-Milwaukee.
725
01:13:34,744 --> 01:13:40,367
He teaches them how Dahmer faster
contained can be had if the police
are better trained
726
01:13:40,392 --> 01:13:44,843
and how they could be more involved
in the community where they live.
727
01:13:51,319 --> 01:13:56,045
Pamela Bass still lives in Milwaukee
with her three children and nine
grandchildren.
728
01:13:56,069 --> 01:14:02,154
She studied for a social worker and
wants victims of child abuse help.
729
01:14:02,178 --> 01:14:07,310
She is already fourteen years clean.
730
00:00:01,250 --> 00:00:10,500
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