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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,209 --> 00:00:03,586 [birds singing] 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:31,156 --> 00:00:34,117 Okay, so it is 8:30 in the morning. 5 00:00:35,118 --> 00:00:37,454 And, "Why am I awake?" you ask. [clicks tongue] 6 00:00:37,537 --> 00:00:39,956 Well, it's kind of a long story. 7 00:00:40,498 --> 00:00:46,212 Um, I sort of unexpectedly started writing the new album, 8 00:00:46,296 --> 00:00:47,964 and, at that point, I was just like, 9 00:00:48,048 --> 00:00:52,802 "Oh, I'm just writing songs in quarantine," and then they're-- 10 00:00:52,886 --> 00:00:55,305 It just became an album really quickly 11 00:00:55,388 --> 00:00:59,726 and really, really kind of beautifully, surprisingly. 12 00:00:59,809 --> 00:01:02,187 And, so... 13 00:01:05,190 --> 00:01:07,400 You can't go into studios now because they're all closed, 14 00:01:07,484 --> 00:01:09,778 and I've never recorded anywhere else. 15 00:01:09,861 --> 00:01:12,447 Um, and I know that other people do this all the time, 16 00:01:12,530 --> 00:01:15,533 so it's actually not that special, but I'm freaking out over it. 17 00:01:16,951 --> 00:01:19,788 We've built a home studio in my house. 18 00:01:19,871 --> 00:01:25,543 And so, it's, like-- I'm gonna do vocals today in my house. 19 00:01:26,795 --> 00:01:29,422 It's-- I'm very excited about it. 20 00:01:29,964 --> 00:01:31,007 [sighs] 21 00:01:31,091 --> 00:01:35,011 Okay, so over there is where my recording booth is, 22 00:01:35,095 --> 00:01:38,807 and then on the other side of the wall... Laura! 23 00:01:38,890 --> 00:01:41,059 -[Sisk chuckles] Hey. -[Swift] Yeah. 24 00:01:41,142 --> 00:01:42,227 Jack? 25 00:01:43,853 --> 00:01:45,146 Holy shit. 26 00:01:46,398 --> 00:01:49,192 It's like you're right there, but instead, you're in New York. 27 00:01:50,985 --> 00:01:53,154 I'm freaking out. We've never done this. 28 00:01:56,199 --> 00:01:57,409 This is crazy. 29 00:02:39,034 --> 00:02:41,536 -First day we've been in the same room. -Cheers. Yeah. 30 00:02:41,619 --> 00:02:42,954 First moment. 31 00:02:43,038 --> 00:02:44,414 That's so weird. 32 00:02:45,582 --> 00:02:47,625 I think when lockdown happened, 33 00:02:47,709 --> 00:02:51,212 I just found myself completely listless and purposeless and... 34 00:02:52,047 --> 00:02:54,007 That-- Then that was in the first three days of it. 35 00:02:54,090 --> 00:02:56,217 And then-- And then I remembered 36 00:02:56,301 --> 00:02:59,512 -when we met a year before. -[man] Yeah. 37 00:02:59,596 --> 00:03:01,431 And I'd come to The National show, 38 00:03:01,514 --> 00:03:04,851 and afterward you would come up and talk to me, and you were so nice. 39 00:03:04,934 --> 00:03:07,228 And I was like, "How do you guys write songs?" 40 00:03:07,312 --> 00:03:11,649 You were like, "We all live in different places, so sometimes I'll just make tracks 41 00:03:11,733 --> 00:03:14,944 and send them around and send them to Matt." 42 00:03:15,028 --> 00:03:16,946 And I just kind of thought to myself, 43 00:03:17,030 --> 00:03:20,283 "If there was ever an opportunity to work with someone I was such a fan of 44 00:03:20,367 --> 00:03:22,327 who could work like that, that would be so cool." 45 00:03:23,578 --> 00:03:26,122 Then lockdown happened, and I texted you, and I was like, 46 00:03:26,206 --> 00:03:30,043 "Hey. Would you even wanna work? Do you-- Are you in that place right now?" 47 00:03:30,126 --> 00:03:32,504 And I was like, "I don't know if this is a real text. 48 00:03:32,587 --> 00:03:33,880 -I'm not sure." -[Swift laughs] 49 00:03:33,963 --> 00:03:35,507 Seemed like a bit? Like a friend-- 50 00:03:35,590 --> 00:03:37,592 Well, I was like, "Is someone pretending? No." 51 00:03:37,676 --> 00:03:38,760 I feel like it's also-- 52 00:03:38,843 --> 00:03:41,554 One of the reasons why it resonates with me so much is because 53 00:03:41,638 --> 00:03:46,643 in the dismantling of all our systems of life that we've known in the pandemic, 54 00:03:46,726 --> 00:03:47,936 you're left with two options. 55 00:03:48,019 --> 00:03:50,105 You either cling to it and try to make it work 56 00:03:50,188 --> 00:03:52,941 or to just say, "Well, I guess I'm just gonna chart a new path," 57 00:03:53,024 --> 00:03:54,859 and kinda get a frontier mentality. 58 00:03:54,943 --> 00:03:58,488 And I think it was such a thrilling use of quarantine to say like, 59 00:03:58,571 --> 00:04:02,117 "Well, everything's a blur, so I'm just gonna rewrite it." 60 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:03,451 Yeah. 61 00:04:03,535 --> 00:04:07,288 I-- I didn't even tell my label until a week before we put it out 62 00:04:07,372 --> 00:04:09,457 -that it existed. -What was that call like? 63 00:04:09,541 --> 00:04:11,209 It was amazing. 64 00:04:11,292 --> 00:04:14,045 I thought it was gonna be stressful, 65 00:04:14,129 --> 00:04:16,464 and I thought I was gonna have to kind of stand up, 66 00:04:16,548 --> 00:04:19,884 with shaking hands being like, "I promise I know what I'm doing. 67 00:04:19,968 --> 00:04:21,803 I know that there's not, like, a big single, 68 00:04:21,886 --> 00:04:25,098 and I'm not doing, like, a big pop thing, and I'm not--" 69 00:04:25,181 --> 00:04:30,020 But they-- My label was like, "Whatever you wanna make, we're down." 70 00:04:30,103 --> 00:04:32,022 You ready to play this whole thing? 71 00:04:32,897 --> 00:04:35,442 Yeah, no. I-- I-- I think it's really important that we play it. 72 00:04:35,525 --> 00:04:39,446 I think it will take that for me to realize that it's a real album. 73 00:04:40,447 --> 00:04:42,866 -Seems like a big mirage. -[Antonoff] It does. 74 00:04:42,949 --> 00:04:44,617 Never worked on an album like this. 75 00:04:44,701 --> 00:04:46,161 Me neither. 76 00:04:46,244 --> 00:04:47,412 Yeah. 77 00:04:48,121 --> 00:04:49,622 I don't know if I ever will again. 78 00:04:49,706 --> 00:04:53,877 Like, I don't know if it's how albums are meant to be made. 79 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,378 It just worked right now. 80 00:04:55,879 --> 00:05:00,175 There's something about the complete and total uncertainty about life 81 00:05:00,258 --> 00:05:02,594 that causes endless anxiety, 82 00:05:02,677 --> 00:05:05,597 but there's another part that causes sort of a release 83 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,726 -of the pressures that you used to feel. -[Antonoff] Mm. 84 00:05:09,809 --> 00:05:13,980 Because if we're going to have to recalibrate everything, 85 00:05:14,064 --> 00:05:16,900 we should start with what we love the most first. 86 00:05:16,983 --> 00:05:22,280 And I think that was what we were sort of unconsciously doing with this. 87 00:05:22,364 --> 00:05:24,657 -[Antonoff] Totally. That is it exactly. -Yeah. 88 00:05:24,741 --> 00:05:27,452 If everything's gonna fall apart, then make a record. 89 00:05:27,535 --> 00:05:29,996 And I was so glad that we did because it turned out that, 90 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,124 like, everybody needed a good cry as well as us. 91 00:05:58,817 --> 00:06:01,486 ♪ I'm doing good I'm on some new shit ♪ 92 00:06:02,237 --> 00:06:05,115 ♪ Been saying "yes" instead of "no" ♪ 93 00:06:05,615 --> 00:06:09,411 ♪ I thought I saw you at the bus stop I didn't though ♪ 94 00:06:12,455 --> 00:06:15,709 ♪ I hit the ground running each night ♪ 95 00:06:15,792 --> 00:06:18,378 ♪ I hit the Sunday matinee ♪ 96 00:06:19,379 --> 00:06:23,341 ♪ You know the greatest films of all time Were never made ♪ 97 00:06:25,927 --> 00:06:28,722 ♪ I guess you never know, never know ♪ 98 00:06:29,556 --> 00:06:32,892 ♪ And if you wanted me You really should've showed ♪ 99 00:06:32,976 --> 00:06:36,062 ♪ And if you never bleed You're never gonna grow ♪ 100 00:06:36,146 --> 00:06:38,690 ♪ And it's all right now ♪ 101 00:06:40,191 --> 00:06:42,819 ♪ We were something Don't you think so? ♪ 102 00:06:43,528 --> 00:06:46,489 ♪ Roaring twenties Tossing pennies in the pool ♪ 103 00:06:46,573 --> 00:06:49,617 ♪ And if my wishes came true ♪ 104 00:06:50,618 --> 00:06:53,288 ♪ It would've been you ♪ 105 00:06:54,122 --> 00:06:56,499 ♪ In my defense I have none ♪ 106 00:06:57,500 --> 00:07:00,587 ♪ For never leaving well enough alone ♪ 107 00:07:00,670 --> 00:07:03,256 ♪ But it would've been fun ♪ 108 00:07:04,132 --> 00:07:06,760 ♪ If you would've been the one ♪ 109 00:07:20,815 --> 00:07:23,693 ♪ I have this dream You're doing cool shit ♪ 110 00:07:24,486 --> 00:07:27,197 ♪ Having adventures on your own ♪ 111 00:07:27,906 --> 00:07:32,202 ♪ You meet some woman on the Internet And take her home ♪ 112 00:07:34,829 --> 00:07:38,124 ♪ We never painted by the numbers, baby ♪ 113 00:07:38,208 --> 00:07:41,461 ♪ But we were making it count ♪ 114 00:07:41,544 --> 00:07:45,840 ♪ You know the greatest loves Of all time are over now ♪ 115 00:07:48,635 --> 00:07:51,137 ♪ I guess you never know, never know ♪ 116 00:07:51,763 --> 00:07:55,433 ♪ And it's another day waking up alone ♪ 117 00:07:55,517 --> 00:07:58,395 ♪ But we were something Don't you think so? ♪ 118 00:07:58,937 --> 00:08:02,148 ♪ Roaring twenties Tossing pennies in the pool ♪ 119 00:08:02,232 --> 00:08:05,485 ♪ And if my wishes came true ♪ 120 00:08:05,568 --> 00:08:08,738 ♪ It would've been you ♪ 121 00:08:09,572 --> 00:08:11,950 ♪ In my defense I have none ♪ 122 00:08:12,951 --> 00:08:15,995 ♪ For never leaving well enough alone ♪ 123 00:08:16,079 --> 00:08:18,790 ♪ But it would've been fun ♪ 124 00:08:19,541 --> 00:08:22,502 ♪ If you would've been the one ♪ 125 00:08:22,585 --> 00:08:28,425 ♪ I persist And resist the temptation to ask you ♪ 126 00:08:28,508 --> 00:08:31,052 ♪ If one thing had been different ♪ 127 00:08:31,678 --> 00:08:35,849 ♪ Would everything be different today? ♪ 128 00:08:36,683 --> 00:08:39,352 ♪ We were something Don't you think so? ♪ 129 00:08:40,103 --> 00:08:42,981 ♪ Rosé flowing with your chosen family ♪ 130 00:08:43,064 --> 00:08:46,067 ♪ And it would've been sweet ♪ 131 00:08:47,068 --> 00:08:50,030 ♪ If it could've been me ♪ 132 00:08:50,655 --> 00:08:52,907 ♪ In my defense I have none ♪ 133 00:08:53,742 --> 00:08:57,162 ♪ We digging up the grave another time ♪ 134 00:08:57,245 --> 00:08:59,706 ♪ But it would've been fun ♪ 135 00:09:00,665 --> 00:09:04,169 ♪ If you would've been the one ♪ 136 00:09:05,170 --> 00:09:09,841 ♪ Ooh ♪ 137 00:09:13,678 --> 00:09:16,890 It was funny because I-- I feel like you captured the spirit 138 00:09:16,973 --> 00:09:18,641 of the whole record with that song. 139 00:09:18,725 --> 00:09:22,979 With "the 1" in the sense of just the way it opens, um, 140 00:09:23,063 --> 00:09:26,024 "I'm doing good. I'm on some new shit. Been saying 'yes' instead of 'no'," 141 00:09:26,107 --> 00:09:30,487 and I was like, "Is she talking about writing songs with me 142 00:09:30,570 --> 00:09:32,781 and everything else at the same time or something--" 143 00:09:32,864 --> 00:09:35,742 I think it has a new-- I think it has a double meaning. The-- 144 00:09:35,825 --> 00:09:37,869 Opening the album with the words, 145 00:09:37,952 --> 00:09:41,623 "I'm doing good. I'm on some new shit. Been saying 'yes' instead of 'no'." 146 00:09:41,706 --> 00:09:45,627 Um, it-- it applies to the situation that the song is written about where, 147 00:09:45,710 --> 00:09:50,632 you know, you're updating a former lover on what your life is like now 148 00:09:50,715 --> 00:09:52,342 and trying to be positive about it. 149 00:09:52,425 --> 00:09:56,763 But it was also where I am creatively, where it's like, "I'm just saying yes. 150 00:09:56,846 --> 00:09:59,808 I'm just putting out an album in the worst time you could put one out. 151 00:09:59,891 --> 00:10:03,478 I'm just making stuff with someone who I've always wanted to make stuff with 152 00:10:03,561 --> 00:10:06,398 as long as I've been a fan of The National. And-- 153 00:10:06,481 --> 00:10:08,817 I'm just gonna say 'yes' to stuff." 154 00:10:08,900 --> 00:10:10,318 -Yeah. -And it worked out. 155 00:10:12,696 --> 00:10:16,241 ♪ Vintage tee, brand new phone ♪ 156 00:10:16,324 --> 00:10:19,953 ♪ High heels on cobblestones ♪ 157 00:10:20,036 --> 00:10:24,582 ♪ When you are young They assume you know nothing ♪ 158 00:10:27,293 --> 00:10:30,880 ♪ Sequin smile, black lipstick ♪ 159 00:10:30,964 --> 00:10:34,676 ♪ Sensual politics ♪ 160 00:10:34,759 --> 00:10:39,055 ♪ When you are young They assume you know nothing ♪ 161 00:10:42,058 --> 00:10:43,977 ♪ But I knew you ♪ 162 00:10:44,060 --> 00:10:47,772 ♪ Dancing in your Levi's Drunk under a streetlight ♪ 163 00:10:47,856 --> 00:10:49,441 ♪ I... ♪ 164 00:10:49,524 --> 00:10:51,234 ♪ I knew you ♪ 165 00:10:51,317 --> 00:10:55,113 ♪ Hand under my sweatshirt Baby, kiss it better ♪ 166 00:10:55,196 --> 00:10:56,614 ♪ I... ♪ 167 00:10:56,698 --> 00:11:01,036 ♪ And when I felt like I was an old cardigan ♪ 168 00:11:01,119 --> 00:11:03,413 ♪ Under someone's bed ♪ 169 00:11:04,289 --> 00:11:09,002 ♪ You put me on And said I was your favorite ♪ 170 00:11:11,588 --> 00:11:15,342 ♪ A friend to all is a friend to none ♪ 171 00:11:15,425 --> 00:11:18,928 ♪ Chase two girls, lose the one ♪ 172 00:11:19,012 --> 00:11:24,142 ♪ When you are young They assume you know nothing ♪ 173 00:11:26,353 --> 00:11:28,188 ♪ But I knew you ♪ 174 00:11:28,271 --> 00:11:32,108 ♪ Playing hide-and-seek and Giving me your weekends ♪ 175 00:11:32,192 --> 00:11:33,318 ♪ I... ♪ 176 00:11:33,401 --> 00:11:35,487 ♪ I knew you ♪ 177 00:11:35,570 --> 00:11:39,574 ♪ Your heartbeat on the High Line Once in 20 lifetimes ♪ 178 00:11:39,657 --> 00:11:41,242 ♪ I... ♪ 179 00:11:41,326 --> 00:11:45,455 ♪ And when I felt like I was an old cardigan ♪ 180 00:11:45,538 --> 00:11:47,707 ♪ Under someone's bed ♪ 181 00:11:48,667 --> 00:11:53,213 ♪ You put me on And said I was your favorite ♪ 182 00:12:08,937 --> 00:12:12,399 ♪ To kiss in cars and downtown bars ♪ 183 00:12:12,482 --> 00:12:15,819 ♪ Was all we needed ♪ 184 00:12:15,902 --> 00:12:19,614 ♪ You drew stars around my scars ♪ 185 00:12:19,698 --> 00:12:24,202 ♪ But now I'm bleeding ♪ 186 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,122 ♪ 'Cause I knew you ♪ 187 00:12:27,205 --> 00:12:31,167 ♪ Stepping on the last train Marked me like a bloodstain ♪ 188 00:12:31,251 --> 00:12:32,794 ♪ I... ♪ 189 00:12:32,877 --> 00:12:34,546 ♪ I knew you ♪ 190 00:12:34,629 --> 00:12:38,550 ♪ Tried to change the ending Peter losing Wendy ♪ 191 00:12:38,633 --> 00:12:39,801 ♪ I... ♪ 192 00:12:39,884 --> 00:12:42,095 ♪ I knew you ♪ 193 00:12:42,178 --> 00:12:45,932 ♪ Leaving like a father Running like water ♪ 194 00:12:46,016 --> 00:12:47,225 ♪ I... ♪ 195 00:12:47,726 --> 00:12:51,813 ♪ 'Cause when you are young They assume you know nothing ♪ 196 00:12:53,064 --> 00:12:56,818 ♪ But I knew you'd linger Like a tattoo kiss ♪ 197 00:12:56,901 --> 00:13:00,321 ♪ I knew you'd haunt all of my what-ifs ♪ 198 00:13:00,405 --> 00:13:04,075 ♪ The smell of smoke Would hang around this long ♪ 199 00:13:04,159 --> 00:13:07,579 ♪ 'Cause I knew everything When I was young ♪ 200 00:13:07,662 --> 00:13:11,499 ♪ I knew I'd curse you For the longest time ♪ 201 00:13:11,583 --> 00:13:15,295 ♪ Chasing shadows in the grocery line ♪ 202 00:13:15,378 --> 00:13:18,673 ♪ I knew you'd miss me Once the thrill expired ♪ 203 00:13:18,757 --> 00:13:22,385 ♪ And you'd be standing In my front porch light ♪ 204 00:13:22,469 --> 00:13:26,473 ♪ And I knew you'd come back to me ♪ 205 00:13:26,556 --> 00:13:29,976 ♪ You'd come back to me ♪ 206 00:13:30,060 --> 00:13:33,688 ♪ And you'd come back to me ♪ 207 00:13:33,772 --> 00:13:36,608 ♪ And you'd come back ♪ 208 00:13:39,319 --> 00:13:43,573 ♪ And when I felt like I was an old cardigan ♪ 209 00:13:43,656 --> 00:13:46,826 ♪ Under someone's bed ♪ 210 00:13:46,910 --> 00:13:51,664 ♪ You put me on And said I was your favorite ♪ 211 00:13:58,380 --> 00:13:59,714 [Dessner] Beautiful. [chuckles] 212 00:13:59,798 --> 00:14:01,800 -That was so fun. -[Dessner] Yeah. 213 00:14:01,883 --> 00:14:04,177 Oh, God. This is such a blast. 214 00:14:04,260 --> 00:14:07,847 This is a real, real damn blast. You know that? 215 00:14:07,931 --> 00:14:11,726 -You know what this is? A real blast. -[Dessner] Yeah, that was beautiful. Yeah. 216 00:14:14,354 --> 00:14:17,482 When you sent me the track for "last great american dynasty," 217 00:14:17,565 --> 00:14:21,277 I had been wanting to write a song about Rebekah Harkness 218 00:14:21,361 --> 00:14:25,115 since 2013, probably. 219 00:14:25,198 --> 00:14:27,242 And I'd never figured out the right way to do it 220 00:14:27,325 --> 00:14:29,869 because there was never a track that felt like it could, 221 00:14:29,953 --> 00:14:36,167 kinda hold an entire story of somebody's life and whatever 222 00:14:36,251 --> 00:14:38,378 -and move between generations. -Yeah. 223 00:14:38,461 --> 00:14:41,464 Then when I heard that, I was like, "Oh, my God. I think this is my opening. 224 00:14:41,548 --> 00:14:45,260 I think this is my moment. I think I can write the Rebekah Harkness story." 225 00:14:45,343 --> 00:14:47,721 That song is such a folklore moment to me 226 00:14:47,804 --> 00:14:50,807 because it's not about you, but it is all about you. 227 00:14:50,890 --> 00:14:52,767 -And it's like-- -Well, it's that country music, 228 00:14:52,851 --> 00:14:56,980 kind of, narrative device where in country music it's like... 229 00:14:57,063 --> 00:15:00,442 ♪ This guy did this Then this woman did this ♪ 230 00:15:00,525 --> 00:15:03,111 ♪ Then they met And their kid was me ♪ 231 00:15:03,194 --> 00:15:06,948 Totally. Yeah, yeah. "And I was that man that I've been talking about." 232 00:15:07,032 --> 00:15:08,992 Yeah, "I was that kid." Like-- Which is the best. 233 00:15:09,075 --> 00:15:10,493 You listen to country songs, 234 00:15:10,577 --> 00:15:13,204 and you're just like, shivers, everywhere. My whole body. 235 00:15:13,288 --> 00:15:15,498 Even though it's not till the very end when you spin it around, 236 00:15:15,582 --> 00:15:17,042 even though the story's about someone else, 237 00:15:17,125 --> 00:15:18,793 I think it's the most revealing thing. 238 00:15:18,877 --> 00:15:22,005 -I think it's-- it's so deeply personal. -Aw. 239 00:15:22,088 --> 00:15:24,215 It really hits you in the gut when you hear that at the end. 240 00:15:24,299 --> 00:15:25,592 Thanks. 241 00:15:25,675 --> 00:15:27,302 -It's real good. -Man. 242 00:15:32,599 --> 00:15:38,021 ♪ Rebekah rode up on the afternoon train It was sunny ♪ 243 00:15:38,104 --> 00:15:42,776 ♪ Her saltbox house on the coast Took her mind off St. Louis ♪ 244 00:15:45,528 --> 00:15:50,450 ♪ Bill was the heir To the Standard Oil name and money ♪ 245 00:15:50,533 --> 00:15:55,789 ♪ And the town said "How did a middle-class divorcée do it?" ♪ 246 00:15:58,458 --> 00:16:01,670 ♪ The wedding was charming If a little gauche ♪ 247 00:16:01,753 --> 00:16:04,839 ♪ There's only so far new money goes ♪ 248 00:16:04,923 --> 00:16:08,968 ♪ They picked out a home And called it "Holiday House" ♪ 249 00:16:11,638 --> 00:16:14,557 ♪ Their parties were tasteful If a little loud ♪ 250 00:16:14,641 --> 00:16:17,852 ♪ The doctor had told him to settle down ♪ 251 00:16:17,936 --> 00:16:22,148 ♪ It must have been her fault His heart gave out ♪ 252 00:16:22,649 --> 00:16:23,775 ♪ And they said ♪ 253 00:16:23,858 --> 00:16:27,946 ♪ "There goes The last great American dynasty ♪ 254 00:16:30,699 --> 00:16:34,369 ♪ Who knows, if she never showed up What could've been ♪ 255 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,001 ♪ There goes the maddest woman This town has ever seen ♪ 256 00:16:42,669 --> 00:16:47,048 ♪ She had a marvelous time Ruining everything" ♪ 257 00:16:50,343 --> 00:16:55,765 ♪ Rebekah gave up On the Rhode Island set forever ♪ 258 00:16:56,516 --> 00:16:59,644 ♪ Flew in all her Bitch Pack friends From the city ♪ 259 00:17:02,105 --> 00:17:05,525 ♪ Filled the pool with champagne And swam with the big names ♪ 260 00:17:05,608 --> 00:17:09,446 ♪ And blew through the money on the boys And the ballet ♪ 261 00:17:09,946 --> 00:17:13,283 ♪ And losing on card game bets with Dalí ♪ 262 00:17:14,492 --> 00:17:15,869 ♪ And they said ♪ 263 00:17:15,952 --> 00:17:19,789 ♪ "There goes The last great American dynasty ♪ 264 00:17:21,958 --> 00:17:25,795 ♪ Who knows, if she never showed up What could've been ♪ 265 00:17:28,965 --> 00:17:32,344 ♪ There goes the most shameless woman This town has ever seen ♪ 266 00:17:34,471 --> 00:17:38,350 ♪ She had a marvelous time Ruining everything" ♪ 267 00:17:42,103 --> 00:17:44,731 ♪ They say she was seen on occasion ♪ 268 00:17:44,814 --> 00:17:48,568 ♪ Pacing the rocks Staring out at the midnight sea ♪ 269 00:17:48,651 --> 00:17:51,196 ♪ And in a feud with her neighbor ♪ 270 00:17:51,279 --> 00:17:54,866 ♪ She stole his dog And dyed it key lime green ♪ 271 00:17:54,949 --> 00:17:57,744 ♪ Fifty years is a long time ♪ 272 00:17:57,827 --> 00:18:01,373 ♪ Holiday House sat quietly On that beach ♪ 273 00:18:01,456 --> 00:18:05,835 ♪ Free of women with madness Their men and bad habits ♪ 274 00:18:05,919 --> 00:18:08,004 ♪ And then it was bought by me ♪ 275 00:18:14,469 --> 00:18:17,764 ♪ Who knows, if I never showed up What could have been ♪ 276 00:18:20,558 --> 00:18:24,354 ♪ There goes the loudest woman This town has ever seen ♪ 277 00:18:26,272 --> 00:18:30,777 ♪ I had a marvelous time Ruinin' everything ♪ 278 00:18:32,904 --> 00:18:39,869 ♪ I had a marvelous time Ruining everything ♪ 279 00:18:39,953 --> 00:18:46,376 ♪ A marvelous time ruining everything ♪ 280 00:18:46,459 --> 00:18:52,924 ♪ A marvelous time ruinin' everything ♪ 281 00:18:53,008 --> 00:18:56,594 ♪ A marvelous time ♪ 282 00:19:15,947 --> 00:19:17,991 I only wish our other two co-writers were here. 283 00:19:18,074 --> 00:19:20,368 -[Antonoff] Who? -Justin Vernon and William Bowery. 284 00:19:20,452 --> 00:19:24,789 Justin is, uh-- is, uh, one of the greatest ever. 285 00:19:24,873 --> 00:19:27,334 William, I never got to meet. 286 00:19:27,417 --> 00:19:31,379 There's been a lot of discussion about William Bowery and his identity 287 00:19:31,463 --> 00:19:34,466 'cause... it's not a real person. 288 00:19:34,549 --> 00:19:36,051 It's not? 289 00:19:36,134 --> 00:19:37,218 Jack. 290 00:19:38,511 --> 00:19:40,096 I'm doin' a bit. 291 00:19:40,180 --> 00:19:42,098 A bit. That would've gone on forever. 292 00:19:42,182 --> 00:19:43,224 What? 293 00:19:43,308 --> 00:19:44,684 -[Swift] Who? -When? 294 00:19:44,768 --> 00:19:48,271 So, William Bowery is Joe, as we know. 295 00:19:49,189 --> 00:19:53,526 And Joe-- Joe plays piano beautifully, and he's always just playing 296 00:19:53,610 --> 00:19:56,321 and making things up and kind of creating things. 297 00:19:56,404 --> 00:19:58,448 And "exile" was crazy 298 00:19:58,531 --> 00:20:03,787 'cause Joe had written that entire piano part, that... [scats] 299 00:20:03,870 --> 00:20:06,122 And it was singing the Bon Iver part. The... 300 00:20:06,206 --> 00:20:09,334 ♪ I can see you standing, honey With his arms around your body ♪ 301 00:20:09,417 --> 00:20:10,418 Jesus. 302 00:20:10,502 --> 00:20:12,170 ♪ Laughin' but the joke's Not funny at all ♪ 303 00:20:12,253 --> 00:20:13,254 -And I-- -Lyrics too? 304 00:20:13,338 --> 00:20:14,923 -Yeah, he was just singing it... -Jesus. 305 00:20:15,006 --> 00:20:17,050 ...the way that the whole first verse is. 306 00:20:17,133 --> 00:20:22,639 -[Antonoff] Wow. -And so, I was entranced 307 00:20:22,722 --> 00:20:26,726 and asked if, um, we could keep writing that one. 308 00:20:26,810 --> 00:20:29,062 It was pretty obvious that it should be a duet 309 00:20:29,145 --> 00:20:31,606 'cause he's got such a low voice and it sounded really good 310 00:20:31,690 --> 00:20:34,442 -sung down there and in that register. -Yeah. 311 00:20:34,526 --> 00:20:39,989 And then, um, we're really, really, really big Bon Iver fans. And, you know. 312 00:20:40,073 --> 00:20:42,367 -So cool. -We know that Aaron knows him. 313 00:20:42,951 --> 00:20:45,412 But we're-- I-- I was too afraid to suggest it. 314 00:20:45,495 --> 00:20:48,081 But, I just-- When I sent it to Aaron, I was like, 315 00:20:48,164 --> 00:20:53,503 "This is, uh, hopefully a duet. We-- I don't know who with. 316 00:20:53,586 --> 00:20:56,965 Who would it be with? Who do you think would be good with this?" 317 00:20:57,048 --> 00:20:59,676 And Aaron was like, "I think Justin would love this." 318 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:01,761 [Antonoff] You're like, "Okay, that could be interesting." 319 00:21:01,845 --> 00:21:04,639 -I couldn't say it. I couldn't say it. -Really? Is that really what happened? 320 00:21:04,723 --> 00:21:06,433 No, I couldn't say it with words. 321 00:21:06,516 --> 00:21:10,020 Because if I would have said it and he would have gone to Justin, 322 00:21:10,103 --> 00:21:12,814 and Justin would've said no, it would've hurt too much. 323 00:21:12,897 --> 00:21:13,898 [Antonoff] Interesting. 324 00:21:13,982 --> 00:21:15,608 When we talked about it, I was like, 325 00:21:15,692 --> 00:21:17,777 "I think he's gonna be really inspired by this." 326 00:21:17,861 --> 00:21:20,572 And then we sent it to him, and he was. 327 00:21:20,655 --> 00:21:25,076 And then the process of working on it and what he sent back. 328 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,787 And he wrote-- Like, we didn't ask him to write anything, 329 00:21:27,871 --> 00:21:30,582 -but he wrote this, like-- -Yeah. He wrote this amazing bridge. 330 00:21:30,665 --> 00:21:31,958 -[Antonoff hums] -He wrote... 331 00:21:32,042 --> 00:21:34,461 ♪ So step right out There is no amount ♪ 332 00:21:34,544 --> 00:21:36,087 ...and like, that whole bit. 333 00:21:36,171 --> 00:21:38,673 I kept thinking, "This isn't really going to happen. 334 00:21:38,757 --> 00:21:41,968 Like, Justin is going to change his mind about this 335 00:21:42,052 --> 00:21:45,555 because this isn't a part of my reality. 336 00:21:45,638 --> 00:21:47,807 There's no way that this is going to happen. 337 00:21:47,891 --> 00:21:49,893 He's gonna record the vocals 338 00:21:49,976 --> 00:21:51,936 and then decide he doesn't want to be on the record." 339 00:21:52,020 --> 00:21:54,439 And then, it just never-- That just never happened. 340 00:21:54,522 --> 00:21:58,735 Like, he just is on the album, and he's just the coolest, 341 00:21:58,818 --> 00:22:01,363 and that's what's happening. 342 00:22:15,794 --> 00:22:19,005 ♪ I can see you standing, honey ♪ 343 00:22:19,089 --> 00:22:22,467 ♪ With his arms around your body ♪ 344 00:22:22,550 --> 00:22:25,929 ♪ Laughin' but the joke's Not funny at all ♪ 345 00:22:29,265 --> 00:22:32,310 ♪ And it took you five whole minutes ♪ 346 00:22:32,394 --> 00:22:35,855 ♪ To pack us up and leave me with it ♪ 347 00:22:35,939 --> 00:22:39,734 ♪ Holdin' all this love Out here in the hall ♪ 348 00:22:42,779 --> 00:22:46,741 ♪ I think I've seen this film before ♪ 349 00:22:46,825 --> 00:22:49,077 ♪ And I didn't like the ending ♪ 350 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,706 ♪ You're not my homeland anymore ♪ 351 00:22:53,456 --> 00:22:56,042 ♪ So what am I defending now? ♪ 352 00:22:56,126 --> 00:23:01,214 ♪ You were my town Now I'm in exile, seein' you out ♪ 353 00:23:02,882 --> 00:23:05,719 ♪ I think I've seen this film before ♪ 354 00:23:09,305 --> 00:23:12,434 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh ♪ 355 00:23:12,517 --> 00:23:15,812 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh ♪ 356 00:23:15,895 --> 00:23:18,940 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh ♪ 357 00:23:21,985 --> 00:23:25,363 ♪ I can see you starin', honey ♪ 358 00:23:25,447 --> 00:23:28,742 ♪ Like he's just your understudy ♪ 359 00:23:28,825 --> 00:23:32,662 ♪ Like you'd get Your knuckles bloody for me ♪ 360 00:23:35,415 --> 00:23:38,793 ♪ Second, third, and hundredth chances ♪ 361 00:23:38,877 --> 00:23:41,880 ♪ Balancin' on breaking branches ♪ 362 00:23:41,963 --> 00:23:45,258 ♪ Those eyes add insult to injury ♪ 363 00:23:48,845 --> 00:23:52,849 ♪ I think I've seen this film before ♪ 364 00:23:52,932 --> 00:23:55,268 ♪ And I didn't like the ending ♪ 365 00:23:55,352 --> 00:23:59,522 ♪ I'm not your problem anymore ♪ 366 00:23:59,606 --> 00:24:02,192 ♪ So who am I offending now? ♪ 367 00:24:02,275 --> 00:24:07,739 ♪ You were my crown Now I'm in exile, seein' you out ♪ 368 00:24:08,948 --> 00:24:12,243 ♪ I think I've seen this film before ♪ 369 00:24:12,327 --> 00:24:15,038 ♪ So I'm leaving out the side door ♪ 370 00:24:16,706 --> 00:24:18,541 ♪ So step right out ♪ 371 00:24:19,542 --> 00:24:25,674 ♪ There is no amount Of crying I can do for you ♪ 372 00:24:25,757 --> 00:24:28,176 ♪ All this time ♪ 373 00:24:28,259 --> 00:24:30,679 ♪ We always walked a very thin line ♪ 374 00:24:31,471 --> 00:24:33,807 ♪ You didn't even hear me out ♪ 375 00:24:34,516 --> 00:24:37,060 ♪ You never gave no warning sign ♪ 376 00:24:38,269 --> 00:24:40,605 ♪ All this time ♪ 377 00:24:40,689 --> 00:24:42,691 ♪ I never learned to read your mind ♪ 378 00:24:42,774 --> 00:24:44,275 ♪ Never learned to read my mind ♪ 379 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,278 -♪ I couldn't turn things around ♪ -♪ You never turned things around ♪ 380 00:24:47,362 --> 00:24:52,492 -♪ 'Cause you never gave no warning sign ♪ -♪ I gave so many signs ♪ 381 00:24:52,575 --> 00:24:55,495 [together] ♪ So many signs ♪ 382 00:24:55,578 --> 00:24:59,207 ♪ So many signs ♪ 383 00:24:59,290 --> 00:25:03,253 ♪ You didn't even see the signs ♪ 384 00:25:04,713 --> 00:25:08,550 ♪ I think I've seen this film before ♪ 385 00:25:08,633 --> 00:25:10,969 ♪ And I didn't like the ending ♪ 386 00:25:11,052 --> 00:25:14,431 ♪ You're not my homeland anymore ♪ 387 00:25:15,181 --> 00:25:17,726 ♪ So what am I defending now? ♪ 388 00:25:17,809 --> 00:25:22,605 ♪ You were my town Now I'm in exile, seein' you out ♪ 389 00:25:23,815 --> 00:25:27,569 ♪ I think I've seen this film before ♪ 390 00:25:27,652 --> 00:25:30,321 ♪ So I'm leaving out the side door ♪ 391 00:25:31,906 --> 00:25:33,825 ♪ So step right out ♪ 392 00:25:34,826 --> 00:25:36,745 ♪ There is no amount ♪ 393 00:25:37,245 --> 00:25:41,624 ♪ Of crying I can do for ya ♪ 394 00:25:41,708 --> 00:25:43,126 ♪ All this time ♪ 395 00:25:43,626 --> 00:25:45,962 ♪ We always walked a very thin line ♪ 396 00:25:46,838 --> 00:25:50,008 -♪ You didn't even hear me out ♪ -♪ Didn't even hear me out ♪ 397 00:25:50,091 --> 00:25:52,010 ♪ You never gave no warning signs ♪ 398 00:25:52,093 --> 00:25:56,264 -♪ I gave so many signs ♪ -♪ All this time ♪ 399 00:25:56,348 --> 00:25:58,058 ♪ I never learned to read your mind ♪ 400 00:25:58,141 --> 00:25:59,601 ♪ Never learned to read my mind ♪ 401 00:25:59,684 --> 00:26:01,227 ♪ I couldn't turn things around ♪ 402 00:26:01,311 --> 00:26:02,645 ♪ You never turned things around ♪ 403 00:26:02,729 --> 00:26:04,356 ♪ You never gave no warning signs ♪ 404 00:26:04,439 --> 00:26:08,693 -♪ I gave so many signs ♪ -♪ All this time ♪ 405 00:26:08,777 --> 00:26:11,279 ♪ So many signs ♪ 406 00:26:11,363 --> 00:26:14,824 [together] ♪ So many signs ♪ 407 00:26:15,742 --> 00:26:21,956 [Vernon vocalizing] 408 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:28,546 [Swift vocalizing] 409 00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:32,717 [both vocalizing] 410 00:26:44,145 --> 00:26:46,815 Where do we start? I mean, to me the whole thing starts 411 00:26:46,898 --> 00:26:48,608 with "my tears ricochet." 412 00:26:48,692 --> 00:26:51,361 Yeah. Chronologically, that's the first thing. 413 00:26:51,444 --> 00:26:53,238 I wrote that one alone. 414 00:26:53,321 --> 00:26:57,158 And it's definitely, I think, one of the saddest songs on the album. 415 00:26:57,242 --> 00:27:01,037 Yeah. I think it's one of the best songs you've written. 416 00:27:01,121 --> 00:27:02,122 Aw, thanks. 417 00:27:02,205 --> 00:27:05,625 Which is I think why you crowned it as a track five. 418 00:27:05,709 --> 00:27:10,422 Yeah, picking a track five is sort of a pressurized decision, 419 00:27:10,505 --> 00:27:12,924 but I knew from day one this was probably gonna be it. 420 00:27:13,633 --> 00:27:16,636 -Um, it's kind of a song about karma. -Yeah. 421 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,055 It's a song about greed. 422 00:27:19,139 --> 00:27:24,436 It's a song about how somebody could be your best friend 423 00:27:24,519 --> 00:27:28,898 and your companion and your most trusted person in your life 424 00:27:28,982 --> 00:27:32,027 and then they could go and become your worst enemy 425 00:27:32,110 --> 00:27:34,988 who knows how to hurt you because they were once your most trusted person. 426 00:27:35,071 --> 00:27:37,073 -It's the worst betrayal. -Yeah. 427 00:27:37,157 --> 00:27:39,242 It does remind me of people going through a divorce 428 00:27:39,325 --> 00:27:43,204 and having that person that they swore to be with forever 429 00:27:43,288 --> 00:27:47,375 then become the person that they spend most of their time talking shit about. 430 00:27:47,459 --> 00:27:51,212 Yeah, and it is that ultimate betrayal when someone, 431 00:27:51,296 --> 00:27:53,256 -you know, messed you up from the inside. -Mm-hmm. 432 00:27:53,340 --> 00:27:55,675 Writing this song, it kind of occurred to me 433 00:27:55,759 --> 00:27:58,386 that in all of the superhero stories, 434 00:27:58,470 --> 00:28:04,309 the hero's greatest nemesis is the villain that used to be his best friend. 435 00:28:04,392 --> 00:28:07,103 -Yeah. -Um, that sort of thing. 436 00:28:07,187 --> 00:28:09,147 When you think about that, you think about 437 00:28:09,230 --> 00:28:13,610 how there's this beautiful moment in the beginning of a friendship 438 00:28:13,693 --> 00:28:17,781 where these people have no idea that one day they'll hate each other 439 00:28:17,864 --> 00:28:21,910 and try to really take each other out. 440 00:28:21,993 --> 00:28:24,287 -Yeah. -I mean, that's really sad and terrible. 441 00:28:24,371 --> 00:28:27,457 But that's the bird's eye view quality of the song that I think is so unique 442 00:28:27,540 --> 00:28:32,253 because they're both great, but sometimes you write, like, very in the moment. 443 00:28:32,337 --> 00:28:34,881 And you're like, "This happened, and this is how I feel." 444 00:28:34,964 --> 00:28:37,133 I love that, but this song, 445 00:28:37,217 --> 00:28:39,469 which is interesting that it's the first one that happened 446 00:28:39,552 --> 00:28:42,847 because I think it became a huge theme on the album, is it's very pulled back. 447 00:28:42,931 --> 00:28:46,434 It's very pulled back and commenting on the whole experience of it. 448 00:28:46,518 --> 00:28:47,560 Um... 449 00:28:48,937 --> 00:28:50,772 It's very powerful to me. 450 00:29:02,492 --> 00:29:08,289 ♪ We gather here We line up weeping in a sunlit room ♪ 451 00:29:08,373 --> 00:29:13,003 ♪ And if I'm on fire ♪ 452 00:29:13,086 --> 00:29:16,297 ♪ You'll be made of ashes too ♪ 453 00:29:16,381 --> 00:29:20,760 ♪ Even on my worst day Did I deserve, babe ♪ 454 00:29:20,844 --> 00:29:23,805 ♪ All the hell you gave me? ♪ 455 00:29:24,472 --> 00:29:28,059 ♪ 'Cause I loved you I swear I loved you ♪ 456 00:29:28,143 --> 00:29:30,770 ♪ Till my dying day ♪ 457 00:29:34,024 --> 00:29:40,405 ♪ I didn't have it in myself To go with grace ♪ 458 00:29:41,406 --> 00:29:47,787 ♪ And you're the hero flying around Saving face ♪ 459 00:29:48,788 --> 00:29:54,210 ♪ And if I'm dead to you Why are you at the wake? ♪ 460 00:29:54,294 --> 00:29:58,173 ♪ Cursing my name Wishing I stayed ♪ 461 00:29:58,256 --> 00:30:01,551 ♪ Look at how my tears ricochet ♪ 462 00:30:16,232 --> 00:30:22,864 ♪ We gather stones Never knowing what they'll mean ♪ 463 00:30:23,865 --> 00:30:30,080 ♪ Some to throw Some to make a diamond ring ♪ 464 00:30:30,163 --> 00:30:34,459 ♪ You know I didn't want to Have to haunt you ♪ 465 00:30:34,542 --> 00:30:37,212 ♪ But what a ghostly scene ♪ 466 00:30:38,046 --> 00:30:41,925 ♪ You wear the same jewels That I gave you ♪ 467 00:30:42,008 --> 00:30:44,969 ♪ As you bury me ♪ 468 00:30:47,764 --> 00:30:54,187 ♪ I didn't have it in myself To go with grace ♪ 469 00:30:55,188 --> 00:31:01,611 ♪ 'Cause when I'd fight You used to tell me I was brave ♪ 470 00:31:02,612 --> 00:31:08,201 ♪ And if I'm dead to you Why are you at the wake? ♪ 471 00:31:08,284 --> 00:31:11,955 ♪ Cursing my name Wishing I stayed ♪ 472 00:31:12,038 --> 00:31:15,000 ♪ Look at how my tears ricochet ♪ 473 00:31:15,083 --> 00:31:19,379 ♪ And I can go anywhere I want ♪ 474 00:31:19,462 --> 00:31:22,841 ♪ Anywhere I want Just not home ♪ 475 00:31:22,924 --> 00:31:26,428 ♪ And you can aim for my heart Go for blood ♪ 476 00:31:26,511 --> 00:31:30,432 ♪ But you would still miss me In your bones ♪ 477 00:31:30,515 --> 00:31:33,393 ♪ And I still talk to you ♪ 478 00:31:34,185 --> 00:31:37,772 ♪ When I'm screaming at the sky ♪ 479 00:31:37,856 --> 00:31:41,359 ♪ And when you can't sleep at night ♪ 480 00:31:41,443 --> 00:31:46,781 ♪ You hear my stolen lullabies ♪ 481 00:31:53,913 --> 00:32:00,920 ♪ I didn't have it in myself To go with grace ♪ 482 00:32:02,130 --> 00:32:08,553 ♪ And so, the battleships will sink Beneath the waves ♪ 483 00:32:09,054 --> 00:32:14,684 ♪ You had to kill me But it killed you just the same ♪ 484 00:32:14,768 --> 00:32:18,188 ♪ You're cursing my name Wishing I stayed ♪ 485 00:32:18,271 --> 00:32:21,441 ♪ You turned into your worst fears ♪ 486 00:32:21,524 --> 00:32:25,737 ♪ And you're tossing out blame Drunk on this pain ♪ 487 00:32:25,820 --> 00:32:28,281 ♪ Crossing out the good years ♪ 488 00:32:28,365 --> 00:32:32,994 ♪ And you're cursing my name Wishing I'd stayed ♪ 489 00:32:33,078 --> 00:32:36,706 ♪ Look at how my tears ricochet ♪ 490 00:32:40,502 --> 00:32:44,381 ♪ Yeah, look at how my tears ricochet ♪ 491 00:32:48,051 --> 00:32:52,180 ♪ Look at all of my tears ♪ 492 00:32:55,767 --> 00:32:59,604 ♪ Turning into your tears ♪ 493 00:33:03,441 --> 00:33:07,070 ♪ Look at how my tears ricochet ♪ 494 00:33:14,494 --> 00:33:15,995 [sighs] 495 00:33:24,963 --> 00:33:28,591 In folklore, there are a lot of songs that reference each other or lyrical parallels, 496 00:33:28,675 --> 00:33:34,097 and one of the ones that I like is the entire song "this is me trying" 497 00:33:34,180 --> 00:33:36,766 then being referenced again in "mirrorball," 498 00:33:36,850 --> 00:33:39,352 which is, "I've never been a natural. All I do is try." 499 00:33:39,436 --> 00:33:42,564 Yeah, I remember that being an interesting one for you to actually put down. 500 00:33:42,647 --> 00:33:45,191 'Cause I remember you said it, and you did it, and you were like, 501 00:33:45,275 --> 00:33:48,528 -"Should I say that? Should I--" -I was like, "Is that too true? Is that--" 502 00:33:48,611 --> 00:33:53,283 And I think with "mirrorball," sometimes when I'm writing to an instrumental track, 503 00:33:53,366 --> 00:33:56,327 I'll push play, and I'll immediately see a scene set. 504 00:33:56,411 --> 00:34:00,915 And this was one of those cases where I just saw, you know, 505 00:34:00,999 --> 00:34:06,212 lonely disco ball, twinkly lights, neon signs, 506 00:34:06,296 --> 00:34:08,423 people drinking beer by the bar, 507 00:34:08,506 --> 00:34:11,676 um, a couple of stragglers on the dance floor. 508 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:17,390 Just sort of a sad, moonlit, lonely experience 509 00:34:17,474 --> 00:34:20,018 in the middle of a town that you've never been. 510 00:34:20,101 --> 00:34:22,479 And I just was thinking, 511 00:34:22,562 --> 00:34:25,815 "Okay, so we have mirrorballs in the middle of a dance floor 512 00:34:25,899 --> 00:34:27,984 because they reflect light. 513 00:34:28,068 --> 00:34:32,822 They are broken a million times, and that's what makes them so shiny. 514 00:34:32,906 --> 00:34:35,033 We have people like that in society too. 515 00:34:35,116 --> 00:34:38,244 They hang there, and every time they break, it entertains us." 516 00:34:38,328 --> 00:34:40,163 -Yeah. -And... 517 00:34:40,246 --> 00:34:45,126 "And when you shine a light on them, it's this glittering, fantastic thing, 518 00:34:45,210 --> 00:34:48,046 but then a lot of the time when the spotlight isn't on them 519 00:34:48,129 --> 00:34:53,468 they're still there, up on a pedestal, but nobody's watching them." 520 00:34:53,551 --> 00:34:55,970 It's a myth we love, and then we create it for people. 521 00:34:56,054 --> 00:34:57,055 Yeah. It's the whole-- 522 00:34:57,138 --> 00:34:58,932 -Like, "Do the broken thing." -Do the broken thing. 523 00:34:59,015 --> 00:35:01,309 "Make it fun. Now make it sad. Now make it cool. Now make it sad." 524 00:35:01,393 --> 00:35:03,561 -Yeah, but when the light's off, be okay. -Yeah. 525 00:35:03,645 --> 00:35:06,356 It was a metaphor for celebrity, but it's also a metaphor 526 00:35:06,439 --> 00:35:09,734 for so many people who have to feel, like-- 527 00:35:09,818 --> 00:35:13,446 Everybody else feels like they have to be on for certain people. 528 00:35:13,530 --> 00:35:17,033 For-- You have to be different versions of yourself for different people. 529 00:35:17,117 --> 00:35:19,577 Different versions at work, different versions around friends, 530 00:35:19,661 --> 00:35:22,872 different versions of yourself around different friends. 531 00:35:22,956 --> 00:35:25,041 Different version of yourself around family. 532 00:35:25,125 --> 00:35:29,129 -Yeah. -Everybody has to be duplicitous, um... 533 00:35:29,212 --> 00:35:33,091 or feels that they have to, in some ways, be duplicitous. 534 00:35:33,174 --> 00:35:36,928 And that's part of the human experience, but it's also exhausting. 535 00:35:37,012 --> 00:35:39,055 And you kind of learn 536 00:35:39,139 --> 00:35:43,893 that every one of us has the ability to become a shape-shifter. 537 00:35:44,477 --> 00:35:46,062 -Totally. -But what does that do to us? 538 00:35:46,146 --> 00:35:49,107 And it also is the first time, and one of the only times, 539 00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:54,029 that the time that we're living through is actually lyrically addressed. 540 00:35:54,112 --> 00:35:58,825 Um, I think that, you know, the pandemic and lockdown and all that 541 00:35:58,908 --> 00:36:01,453 runs through this album like a thread because it's an album 542 00:36:01,536 --> 00:36:04,330 that allows you to feel your feelings, and it's a product of isolation. 543 00:36:04,414 --> 00:36:09,377 It's a product of all this, you know, rumination on 544 00:36:09,461 --> 00:36:12,464 what we are as humans, blah, blah, blah. 545 00:36:12,547 --> 00:36:14,632 But this is the first time in the bridge saying, 546 00:36:14,716 --> 00:36:16,926 "They called off the circus, burned the disco down 547 00:36:17,010 --> 00:36:19,137 when they sent home the horses and the rodeo clowns." 548 00:36:19,220 --> 00:36:22,390 I wrote this song right after I found out all my shows were canceled. 549 00:36:22,474 --> 00:36:24,100 And it's like I'm still on that tightrope. 550 00:36:24,184 --> 00:36:27,645 I'm still trying everything to keep you-- to get you laughing at me. 551 00:36:27,729 --> 00:36:33,568 So, it's like, I realize, here I am writing all this music, still trying, 552 00:36:33,651 --> 00:36:37,072 and I know I have an excuse to sit back and not do something, 553 00:36:37,155 --> 00:36:38,865 but I'm not, and I can't, 554 00:36:38,948 --> 00:36:41,034 -and I don't know why that is. -You don't get it. 555 00:36:41,117 --> 00:36:45,622 But that's what makes it, to me, a great piece of pandemic-time work, 556 00:36:45,705 --> 00:36:47,332 is that it's not about the pandemic. 557 00:36:47,415 --> 00:36:50,293 It's about the experience of what happens to an artist 558 00:36:50,377 --> 00:36:51,795 when you're living through a pandemic. 559 00:36:51,878 --> 00:36:54,297 -Yeah. You start there-- You start-- -You start to dream. 560 00:36:55,215 --> 00:36:56,257 Yep. 561 00:37:12,982 --> 00:37:19,948 ♪ I want you to know ♪ 562 00:37:20,865 --> 00:37:24,828 ♪ I'm a mirrorball ♪ 563 00:37:24,911 --> 00:37:31,501 ♪ I'll show you every version Of yourself tonight ♪ 564 00:37:33,461 --> 00:37:37,173 ♪ I'll get you out on the floor ♪ 565 00:37:37,882 --> 00:37:41,720 ♪ Shimmering beautiful ♪ 566 00:37:42,345 --> 00:37:47,892 ♪ And when I break It's in a million pieces ♪ 567 00:37:48,685 --> 00:37:53,481 ♪ Hush When no one is around, my dear ♪ 568 00:37:55,191 --> 00:37:59,070 ♪ You'll find me on my tallest tiptoes ♪ 569 00:37:59,779 --> 00:38:02,991 ♪ Spinning in my highest heels, love ♪ 570 00:38:03,074 --> 00:38:05,201 ♪ Shining just for you ♪ 571 00:38:06,202 --> 00:38:10,832 ♪ Hush I know they said the end is near ♪ 572 00:38:12,709 --> 00:38:16,546 ♪ But I'm still on my tallest tiptoes ♪ 573 00:38:17,172 --> 00:38:20,425 ♪ Spinning in my highest heels, love ♪ 574 00:38:20,508 --> 00:38:22,677 ♪ Shining just for you ♪ 575 00:38:23,678 --> 00:38:29,684 ♪ I want you to know ♪ 576 00:38:30,268 --> 00:38:34,272 ♪ I'm a mirrorball ♪ 577 00:38:34,773 --> 00:38:39,819 ♪ I can change everything About me to fit in ♪ 578 00:38:39,903 --> 00:38:46,910 ♪ You are not like the regulars ♪ 579 00:38:47,660 --> 00:38:51,706 ♪ The masquerade revelers ♪ 580 00:38:52,207 --> 00:38:57,212 ♪ Drunk as they watch My shattered edges glisten ♪ 581 00:38:58,463 --> 00:39:03,093 ♪ Hush When no one is around, my dear ♪ 582 00:39:05,053 --> 00:39:08,807 ♪ You'll find me on my tallest tiptoes ♪ 583 00:39:09,516 --> 00:39:12,769 ♪ Spinning in my highest heels, love ♪ 584 00:39:12,852 --> 00:39:14,979 ♪ Shining just for you ♪ 585 00:39:15,980 --> 00:39:20,568 ♪ Hush I know they said the end is near ♪ 586 00:39:22,529 --> 00:39:26,157 ♪ But I'm still on my tallest tiptoes ♪ 587 00:39:27,033 --> 00:39:30,078 ♪ Spinning in my highest heels, love ♪ 588 00:39:30,161 --> 00:39:32,622 ♪ Shining just for you ♪ 589 00:39:33,456 --> 00:39:37,085 ♪ And they called off the circus Burned the disco down ♪ 590 00:39:37,836 --> 00:39:41,673 ♪ When they sent home the horses And the rodeo clowns ♪ 591 00:39:42,173 --> 00:39:44,259 ♪ I'm still on that tightrope ♪ 592 00:39:44,342 --> 00:39:50,098 ♪ I'm still trying everything To get you laughing at me ♪ 593 00:39:50,890 --> 00:39:54,394 ♪ And I'm still a believer But I don't know why ♪ 594 00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:59,607 ♪ I've never been a natural All I do is try, try, try ♪ 595 00:39:59,691 --> 00:40:01,776 ♪ I'm still on that trapeze ♪ 596 00:40:01,860 --> 00:40:07,574 ♪ I'm still trying everything To keep you looking at me ♪ 597 00:40:10,535 --> 00:40:13,955 ♪ Because I'm a mirrorball ♪ 598 00:40:15,415 --> 00:40:18,793 ♪ I'm a mirrorball ♪ 599 00:40:19,461 --> 00:40:26,468 ♪ I'll show you every version Of yourself tonight ♪ 600 00:40:33,641 --> 00:40:36,269 With "seven," the song, I was looking back on it. 601 00:40:36,353 --> 00:40:37,896 I've always wondered-- 602 00:40:37,979 --> 00:40:41,399 When I see a kid throwing a massive tantrum in a grocery store, 603 00:40:41,483 --> 00:40:43,818 -part of me is like, "Man, I feel you." -[Antonoff chuckles] 604 00:40:43,902 --> 00:40:46,738 Like, "When did I stop doing that when I was upset?" 605 00:40:46,821 --> 00:40:51,576 Like, "When did I stop being so outraged that I would throw myself on the floor 606 00:40:51,659 --> 00:40:54,704 and throw the cereal at my mom?" 607 00:40:54,788 --> 00:40:57,540 Well, it also doesn't stop, but where does it go? 608 00:40:57,624 --> 00:40:58,708 -Yeah. -That feeling. 609 00:40:58,792 --> 00:41:00,752 Like, we're still having that feeling, but what is it now? 610 00:41:00,835 --> 00:41:03,672 Yeah, so the idea is, you know, please picture me before I learn civility. 611 00:41:03,755 --> 00:41:07,175 Like, I used to scream anytime I wanted. 612 00:41:07,258 --> 00:41:09,969 Obviously, you know, we can't be throwing tantrums all the time, 613 00:41:10,053 --> 00:41:12,764 and we learn that that's not the right thing to do, 614 00:41:12,847 --> 00:41:15,392 but there's something lost there too. 615 00:41:16,184 --> 00:41:20,647 ♪ Please picture me ♪ 616 00:41:20,730 --> 00:41:23,024 ♪ In the trees ♪ 617 00:41:23,108 --> 00:41:28,488 ♪ I hit my peak at seven feet ♪ 618 00:41:28,571 --> 00:41:30,573 ♪ In the swing ♪ 619 00:41:30,657 --> 00:41:33,034 ♪ Over the creek ♪ 620 00:41:33,118 --> 00:41:35,912 ♪ I was too scared to jump in ♪ 621 00:41:35,995 --> 00:41:41,001 ♪ But I, I was high ♪ 622 00:41:41,084 --> 00:41:43,294 ♪ In the sky ♪ 623 00:41:43,378 --> 00:41:50,385 ♪ With Pennsylvania under me ♪ 624 00:41:50,468 --> 00:41:55,140 ♪ Are there still beautiful things? ♪ 625 00:41:57,767 --> 00:41:59,352 ♪ Sweet tea in the summer ♪ 626 00:41:59,436 --> 00:42:02,188 ♪ Cross your heart Won't tell no other ♪ 627 00:42:02,272 --> 00:42:04,691 ♪ And though I can't recall your face ♪ 628 00:42:04,774 --> 00:42:06,943 ♪ I still got love for you ♪ 629 00:42:07,944 --> 00:42:09,571 ♪ Your braids make a pattern ♪ 630 00:42:09,654 --> 00:42:12,365 ♪ Love you to the moon and to Saturn ♪ 631 00:42:12,449 --> 00:42:14,784 ♪ Passed down like folk songs ♪ 632 00:42:14,868 --> 00:42:20,540 ♪ The love lasts so long ♪ 633 00:42:38,266 --> 00:42:40,977 ♪ And I've been meaning to tell you ♪ 634 00:42:41,061 --> 00:42:43,521 ♪ I think your house is haunted ♪ 635 00:42:43,605 --> 00:42:48,610 ♪ Your dad is always mad And that must be why ♪ 636 00:42:48,693 --> 00:42:51,446 ♪ I think you should come live with me ♪ 637 00:42:51,529 --> 00:42:53,531 ♪ And we can be pirates ♪ 638 00:42:53,615 --> 00:42:55,742 ♪ Then you won't have to cry ♪ 639 00:42:56,659 --> 00:42:58,995 ♪ Or hide in the closet ♪ 640 00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:01,164 ♪ And just like a folk song ♪ 641 00:43:01,706 --> 00:43:06,419 ♪ Our love will be passed on ♪ 642 00:43:07,587 --> 00:43:11,925 ♪ Please picture me ♪ 643 00:43:12,008 --> 00:43:14,135 ♪ In the weeds ♪ 644 00:43:14,219 --> 00:43:18,973 ♪ Before I learned civility ♪ 645 00:43:19,057 --> 00:43:24,562 ♪ I used to scream ferociously ♪ 646 00:43:24,646 --> 00:43:27,607 ♪ Anytime I wanted ♪ 647 00:43:27,691 --> 00:43:31,486 ♪ Oh ♪ 648 00:43:31,569 --> 00:43:35,990 ♪ Oh ♪ 649 00:43:38,827 --> 00:43:40,286 ♪ Sweet tea in the summer ♪ 650 00:43:40,370 --> 00:43:43,248 ♪ Cross your heart Won't tell no other ♪ 651 00:43:43,331 --> 00:43:45,792 ♪ And though I can't recall your face ♪ 652 00:43:45,875 --> 00:43:48,253 ♪ I still got love for you ♪ 653 00:43:48,753 --> 00:43:50,839 ♪ Pack your dolls in a sweater ♪ 654 00:43:50,922 --> 00:43:53,258 ♪ We'll move to India forever ♪ 655 00:43:53,341 --> 00:43:55,802 ♪ Passed down like folk songs ♪ 656 00:43:55,885 --> 00:44:01,307 ♪ The love lasts so long ♪ 657 00:44:46,728 --> 00:44:49,939 It's a weird experience, uh, to work with you. 658 00:44:50,023 --> 00:44:52,067 -[laughs] -And now Aaron can understand it. 659 00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:53,693 No, I'm serious because it's like, 660 00:44:53,777 --> 00:44:55,278 "Here's the song. Oh wait, here's the bridge. 661 00:44:55,362 --> 00:44:57,572 Wait, here's a better bridge. Okay, now I have the perfect bridge. 662 00:44:57,655 --> 00:45:00,033 Then here's a thing after the bridge, and this thing's gonna come in--" 663 00:45:00,116 --> 00:45:02,285 ♪ Remember when I pulled up And said, "Get in the car" ♪ 664 00:45:02,369 --> 00:45:03,578 I wrote that in the vocal booth. 665 00:45:03,661 --> 00:45:05,413 Yes! So there's series of-- 666 00:45:05,497 --> 00:45:07,165 ♪ Canceled my plans Just in case you'd call ♪ 667 00:45:07,248 --> 00:45:09,918 And so-- But hearing the patchwork of that whole thing coming together, 668 00:45:10,001 --> 00:45:11,670 I was just like, um... 669 00:45:11,753 --> 00:45:14,339 I just love what you did on that song. 670 00:45:14,422 --> 00:45:16,800 -It takes me away. -Thanks. I love what you did on that song. 671 00:45:16,883 --> 00:45:19,219 And I've been kinda in my head, like, calling the girl from "august" 672 00:45:19,302 --> 00:45:22,097 -either Augusta or Augustine. -Oh, nice. 673 00:45:22,180 --> 00:45:25,100 -I've been naming her that in my head. -Well, that changes things for me. 674 00:45:25,183 --> 00:45:27,727 Cause she's really nameless to me, but now it's forever changed. 675 00:45:27,811 --> 00:45:29,813 [chuckles] What happened in my head was, 676 00:45:29,896 --> 00:45:33,483 okay, so "cardigan" is Betty's perspective from, 677 00:45:33,566 --> 00:45:37,320 like, 20 to 30 years later, looking back on this love 678 00:45:37,404 --> 00:45:38,822 that was this tumultuous thing. 679 00:45:38,905 --> 00:45:42,117 In my head, I think Betty and James ended up together. 680 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:43,201 -Right? -Interesting. 681 00:45:43,284 --> 00:45:46,246 So, in my head, she ends up with him, but he really put her through it. 682 00:45:46,329 --> 00:45:49,165 But, like, "august" was obviously about 683 00:45:49,249 --> 00:45:52,585 the girl that James had this summer with, right? 684 00:45:52,669 --> 00:45:55,672 So she seems like she's a bad girl, but really, she's not a bad girl. 685 00:45:55,755 --> 00:45:58,800 She's, like, really a sensitive person who really fell for him. 686 00:45:58,883 --> 00:46:02,470 And she was trying to seem cool and seem like she didn't care 687 00:46:02,554 --> 00:46:04,514 because that's what girls have to do. 688 00:46:04,597 --> 00:46:07,851 And she was trying to let him think that she didn't care, 689 00:46:07,934 --> 00:46:10,603 but she really did, and she thought they had something very real. 690 00:46:11,312 --> 00:46:13,565 And then he goes back to Betty. 691 00:46:13,648 --> 00:46:17,277 So the idea that there's some, like, some bad, villain girl 692 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,738 in any type of situation who, like, takes your man 693 00:46:19,821 --> 00:46:24,784 is actually a total myth because that's not usually the case at all. 694 00:46:24,868 --> 00:46:27,203 Like, everybody has feelings and wants to be seen and loved, 695 00:46:27,287 --> 00:46:29,622 and just, like, Augustine, that's all she wanted was love. 696 00:46:29,706 --> 00:46:32,334 That's what I love about "august" is, like, it's not a dream. 697 00:46:32,417 --> 00:46:35,045 Even though it sort of sounds like it. Like, it feels-- 698 00:46:35,128 --> 00:46:37,088 The situation feels very close to me. 699 00:46:37,172 --> 00:46:38,757 -Like, getting swept up like that. -Yeah. 700 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,427 That whole song started with the fact that I had written down in my phone, 701 00:46:42,510 --> 00:46:46,014 "Meet me behind the mall" years ago, wanting to write it into a song. 702 00:46:47,724 --> 00:46:53,396 ♪ Salt air And the rust on your door ♪ 703 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:58,193 ♪ I never needed anything more ♪ 704 00:46:58,276 --> 00:47:04,532 ♪ Whispers Of "Are you sure?" ♪ 705 00:47:04,616 --> 00:47:08,119 ♪ "Never have I ever before" ♪ 706 00:47:08,203 --> 00:47:11,164 ♪ But I can see us Lost in the memory ♪ 707 00:47:11,247 --> 00:47:14,793 ♪ August slipped away Into a moment in time ♪ 708 00:47:15,418 --> 00:47:17,712 ♪ 'Cause it was never mine ♪ 709 00:47:19,005 --> 00:47:21,883 ♪ And I can see us Twisted in bedsheets ♪ 710 00:47:21,966 --> 00:47:25,387 ♪ August sipped away Like a bottle of wine ♪ 711 00:47:26,012 --> 00:47:30,433 ♪ Cause you were never mine ♪ 712 00:47:30,517 --> 00:47:35,897 ♪ Your back Beneath the sun ♪ 713 00:47:36,523 --> 00:47:40,485 ♪ Wishing I could write my name on it ♪ 714 00:47:40,568 --> 00:47:46,533 ♪ Will you call When you're back at school? ♪ 715 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,704 ♪ I remember thinking I had you ♪ 716 00:47:50,787 --> 00:47:53,790 ♪ But I can see us Lost in the memory ♪ 717 00:47:53,873 --> 00:47:57,335 ♪ August slipped away Into a moment in time ♪ 718 00:47:58,003 --> 00:48:00,171 ♪ 'Cause it was never mine ♪ 719 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,551 ♪ And I can see us Twisted in bedsheets ♪ 720 00:48:04,634 --> 00:48:08,054 ♪ August sipped away Like a bottle of wine ♪ 721 00:48:08,638 --> 00:48:11,433 ♪ Cause you were never mine ♪ 722 00:48:11,516 --> 00:48:13,768 ♪ Oh ♪ 723 00:48:23,111 --> 00:48:27,115 ♪ Back when we were still changing For the better ♪ 724 00:48:27,198 --> 00:48:29,200 ♪ Wanting was enough ♪ 725 00:48:29,284 --> 00:48:31,578 ♪ For me it was enough ♪ 726 00:48:33,246 --> 00:48:35,290 ♪ To live for the hope of it all ♪ 727 00:48:35,373 --> 00:48:37,375 ♪ Cancel plans just in case you'd call ♪ 728 00:48:37,459 --> 00:48:39,753 ♪ And say "Meet me behind the mall" ♪ 729 00:48:40,253 --> 00:48:43,006 ♪ So much for summer love And saying "us" ♪ 730 00:48:43,089 --> 00:48:48,511 ♪ Cause you weren't mine to lose ♪ 731 00:48:48,595 --> 00:48:52,015 ♪ You weren't mine to lose ♪ 732 00:48:52,098 --> 00:48:53,767 ♪ No ♪ 733 00:48:55,310 --> 00:48:57,729 ♪ Cause I can see us Lost in the memory ♪ 734 00:48:57,812 --> 00:49:01,024 ♪ August slipped away Into a moment in time ♪ 735 00:49:02,067 --> 00:49:03,860 ♪ 'Cause it was never mine ♪ 736 00:49:05,653 --> 00:49:08,490 ♪ And I can see us Twisted in bedsheets ♪ 737 00:49:08,573 --> 00:49:11,951 ♪ August sipped away Like a bottle of wine ♪ 738 00:49:12,952 --> 00:49:16,623 ♪ You were never mine, mine ♪ 739 00:49:18,249 --> 00:49:20,585 ♪ You were never mine ♪ 740 00:49:20,669 --> 00:49:22,754 ♪ Never mine ♪ 741 00:49:24,839 --> 00:49:26,591 ♪ Do you remember? ♪ 742 00:49:26,675 --> 00:49:29,469 ♪ Remember when I pulled up And said, "Get in the car" ♪ 743 00:49:29,552 --> 00:49:32,389 ♪ And then canceled my plans Just in case you'd call ♪ 744 00:49:32,472 --> 00:49:34,849 ♪ Back when I was living For the hope of it all ♪ 745 00:49:34,933 --> 00:49:36,393 ♪ For the hope of it all ♪ 746 00:49:36,476 --> 00:49:38,978 ♪ "Meet me behind the mall" ♪ 747 00:49:39,938 --> 00:49:43,024 ♪ And then I canceled my plans Just in case you'd call ♪ 748 00:49:43,108 --> 00:49:45,610 ♪ Back when I was living For the hope of it all ♪ 749 00:49:45,694 --> 00:49:47,112 ♪ For the hope of it all ♪ 750 00:49:48,029 --> 00:49:50,573 ♪ Remember when I pulled up And said, "Get in the car" ♪ 751 00:49:50,657 --> 00:49:53,368 ♪ And then canceled my plans Just in case you'd call ♪ 752 00:49:53,451 --> 00:49:56,246 ♪ Back when I was living For the hope of it all ♪ 753 00:49:56,329 --> 00:49:57,789 ♪ For the hope of it all ♪ 754 00:49:57,872 --> 00:50:00,083 ♪ "Meet me behind the mall" ♪ 755 00:50:42,334 --> 00:50:44,252 [laughs] 756 00:50:47,088 --> 00:50:48,048 I loved that. 757 00:50:53,678 --> 00:50:57,265 I'd been thinking about addiction, and I'd been thinking about people who, 758 00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:59,225 if they're either suffering through mental illness 759 00:50:59,309 --> 00:51:03,146 or they're suffering through addiction or they have an everyday struggle. 760 00:51:04,564 --> 00:51:07,275 No one pats them on the back every day, 761 00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:10,111 but every day they are actively fighting something. 762 00:51:10,737 --> 00:51:15,450 But there are so many days that nobody gives them credit for that. 763 00:51:15,533 --> 00:51:16,576 -Yeah. -And so, 764 00:51:16,659 --> 00:51:20,830 how often must somebody who's in that sort of internal struggle 765 00:51:20,914 --> 00:51:23,208 must wanna say to everyone in the room, 766 00:51:23,291 --> 00:51:28,963 "You have no idea how close I am to going back to a dark place," 767 00:51:29,047 --> 00:51:30,298 -or, "You have no idea." -Yeah. 768 00:51:30,382 --> 00:51:32,967 "You have no idea how hard it is to get to the point 769 00:51:33,051 --> 00:51:35,637 -where you guys think is still shitty." -Yes. 770 00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:37,681 Like, I think about that a lot. Like... 771 00:51:37,764 --> 00:51:43,478 The idea of... the idea of doing your best, or trying, 772 00:51:43,561 --> 00:51:47,399 is one that only a person knows, and you know when you're doing it. 773 00:51:47,482 --> 00:51:50,151 And it's so hard, which is what I get from that song, 774 00:51:50,235 --> 00:51:53,613 when you're doing your damn best, and it's not good enough. 775 00:51:53,697 --> 00:51:55,407 -Yep. -And it rarely is. 776 00:51:55,490 --> 00:51:56,991 -Yeah. -Um... 777 00:51:57,784 --> 00:52:00,745 But it's, you know, it's a very isolating feeling 778 00:52:00,829 --> 00:52:02,330 which, I think, is funny 779 00:52:02,414 --> 00:52:04,541 'cause it actually is the thing that binds all of us. 780 00:52:04,624 --> 00:52:08,253 Cause we're all doing our best and feeling like it's not even close to good enough. 781 00:52:08,336 --> 00:52:10,463 Yeah, I had this idea that the first verse would be 782 00:52:10,547 --> 00:52:14,801 about someone who is in sort of a life crisis 783 00:52:14,884 --> 00:52:17,095 and has just been trying and failing 784 00:52:17,178 --> 00:52:19,556 and trying and failing in their relationship, 785 00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:22,225 has been messing things up with the people they love, 786 00:52:22,308 --> 00:52:24,185 has been letting everyone down, 787 00:52:24,269 --> 00:52:27,814 and kind of has driven to this overlook, this cliff, 788 00:52:27,897 --> 00:52:32,527 and is just in the car going, "I could, like... 789 00:52:32,610 --> 00:52:37,115 I could do whatever I want in this moment, and it could affect everything forever." 790 00:52:37,198 --> 00:52:40,285 But this person backs up and drives home, and-- 791 00:52:40,368 --> 00:52:43,955 Yeah, I love that. The idea that not driving off the cliff is an act of trying. 792 00:52:44,039 --> 00:52:44,873 Yeah. 793 00:52:44,956 --> 00:52:46,624 Which is almost the ultimate act of trying. 794 00:52:46,708 --> 00:52:49,127 Yeah. And then the second verse is about... 795 00:52:50,086 --> 00:52:53,590 um, you know, someone who felt like they had a lot of potential in their life. 796 00:52:53,673 --> 00:52:57,177 I think there are a lot of mechanisms for us in our school days, 797 00:52:57,260 --> 00:53:01,181 in high school or college, to excel and to be patted on the back for something. 798 00:53:01,264 --> 00:53:03,558 And then I think a lot of people get out of school 799 00:53:03,641 --> 00:53:08,396 and there are less abilities for them to get gold stars. 800 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,608 And then you have to make all these decisions and pave your own way, 801 00:53:11,691 --> 00:53:14,778 and there's no set class course you can take, and there's-- 802 00:53:14,861 --> 00:53:18,281 And, I think a lot of people feel really swept up in that. 803 00:53:18,365 --> 00:53:22,827 And so I was thinking about this person who is really lost in life 804 00:53:22,911 --> 00:53:28,625 and then starts drinking and every second is trying not to. 805 00:53:28,708 --> 00:53:29,709 Yeah. 806 00:53:42,931 --> 00:53:46,142 ♪ I've been having a hard time adjusting ♪ 807 00:53:46,226 --> 00:53:49,562 ♪ I had the shiniest wheels Now they're rusting ♪ 808 00:53:49,646 --> 00:53:53,274 ♪ I didn't know if you'd care If I came back ♪ 809 00:53:53,358 --> 00:53:56,569 ♪ I have a lot of regrets about that ♪ 810 00:53:57,070 --> 00:54:00,448 ♪ Pulled the car off the road To the lookout ♪ 811 00:54:00,532 --> 00:54:03,868 ♪ Could've followed my fears All the way down ♪ 812 00:54:03,952 --> 00:54:06,955 ♪ And maybe I don't quite know What to say ♪ 813 00:54:07,038 --> 00:54:08,957 ♪ But I'm here in your doorway ♪ 814 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:14,587 ♪ I just wanted you to know That this is me trying ♪ 815 00:54:15,964 --> 00:54:21,553 ♪ I just wanted you to know That this is me trying ♪ 816 00:54:38,862 --> 00:54:42,699 ♪ They told me All of my cages were mental ♪ 817 00:54:42,782 --> 00:54:46,119 ♪ So I got wasted like all my potential ♪ 818 00:54:46,202 --> 00:54:49,831 ♪ And my words shoot to kill When I'm mad ♪ 819 00:54:49,914 --> 00:54:53,043 ♪ I have a lot of regrets about that ♪ 820 00:54:53,126 --> 00:54:56,963 ♪ I was so ahead of the curve The curve became a sphere ♪ 821 00:54:57,047 --> 00:55:00,759 ♪ Fell behind all my classmates And I ended up here ♪ 822 00:55:00,842 --> 00:55:05,638 ♪ Pouring out my heart to a stranger But I didn't pour the whiskey ♪ 823 00:55:05,722 --> 00:55:11,478 ♪ I just wanted you to know That this is me trying ♪ 824 00:55:11,561 --> 00:55:18,026 ♪ I just wanted you to know That this is me trying ♪ 825 00:55:19,944 --> 00:55:22,822 ♪ At least I'm trying ♪ 826 00:55:35,126 --> 00:55:39,506 ♪ And it's hard to be at a party When I feel like an open wound ♪ 827 00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:43,051 ♪ It's hard to be anywhere these days When all I want is you ♪ 828 00:55:43,134 --> 00:55:47,097 ♪ You're a flashback in a film reel On the one screen in my town ♪ 829 00:55:47,597 --> 00:55:53,853 ♪ And I just wanted you to know That this is me trying ♪ 830 00:55:54,854 --> 00:56:00,110 ♪ I just wanted you to know That this is me trying ♪ 831 00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,240 ♪ At least I'm trying ♪ 832 00:56:22,173 --> 00:56:26,177 This was the first album that I've ever let go of that need 833 00:56:26,261 --> 00:56:28,388 to be 100% autobiographical 834 00:56:28,471 --> 00:56:30,932 because I think I felt like I needed to do that, 835 00:56:31,016 --> 00:56:34,185 and I felt like fans needed to hear, 836 00:56:34,269 --> 00:56:37,439 like, a stripped-from-the-headlines account of my life. 837 00:56:37,522 --> 00:56:40,734 And actually, it ended up being a bit confining 838 00:56:40,817 --> 00:56:44,738 because there's so much more to writing songs 839 00:56:44,821 --> 00:56:48,616 than just what you're feeling in your singular story line. 840 00:56:48,700 --> 00:56:50,910 And this was the first time that I ever was like-- 841 00:56:50,994 --> 00:56:54,080 I think it was spurred on by the fact that I was watching movies every day. 842 00:56:54,164 --> 00:56:55,415 I was reading books every day. 843 00:56:55,498 --> 00:56:57,625 I was thinking about other people every day. 844 00:56:57,709 --> 00:57:03,131 I was kind of outside of my own personal stuff. 845 00:57:03,214 --> 00:57:05,133 And so I ended up just, like-- 846 00:57:05,216 --> 00:57:07,635 I think that's been my favorite thing about this album, 847 00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:13,099 is that it's allowed to exist on its own merit without it just being, 848 00:57:13,183 --> 00:57:14,517 "Oh, people are listening to this 849 00:57:14,601 --> 00:57:17,604 because it tells them something that they could read in a tabloid." 850 00:57:18,438 --> 00:57:19,647 Interesting. 851 00:57:19,731 --> 00:57:23,193 It-- It to me fees like-- it feels like a completely different experience. 852 00:57:30,283 --> 00:57:33,411 ♪ Make sure nobody sees you leave ♪ 853 00:57:34,037 --> 00:57:37,499 ♪ Hood over your head Keep your eyes down ♪ 854 00:57:38,375 --> 00:57:40,877 ♪ Tell your friends you're out for a run ♪ 855 00:57:42,253 --> 00:57:45,006 ♪ You'll be flushed when you return ♪ 856 00:57:46,257 --> 00:57:50,053 ♪ Take the road less traveled by ♪ 857 00:57:50,136 --> 00:57:53,431 ♪ Tell yourself you can always stop ♪ 858 00:57:54,557 --> 00:57:57,477 ♪ What started in beautiful rooms ♪ 859 00:57:58,269 --> 00:58:00,730 ♪ Ends with meetings in parking lots ♪ 860 00:58:00,814 --> 00:58:04,234 ♪ And that's the thing About illicit affairs ♪ 861 00:58:04,317 --> 00:58:08,363 ♪ And clandestine meetings And longing stares ♪ 862 00:58:08,446 --> 00:58:12,033 ♪ It's born from just one single glance ♪ 863 00:58:12,117 --> 00:58:15,578 ♪ But it dies and it dies and it dies ♪ 864 00:58:15,662 --> 00:58:20,333 ♪ A million little times ♪ 865 00:58:26,006 --> 00:58:29,342 ♪ Leave the perfume on the shelf ♪ 866 00:58:30,343 --> 00:58:33,346 ♪ That you picked out just for him ♪ 867 00:58:34,222 --> 00:58:37,600 ♪ So you leave no trace behind ♪ 868 00:58:38,309 --> 00:58:41,312 ♪ Like you don't even exist ♪ 869 00:58:42,313 --> 00:58:45,316 ♪ Take the words for what they are ♪ 870 00:58:46,568 --> 00:58:49,779 ♪ A dwindling, mercurial high ♪ 871 00:58:50,530 --> 00:58:53,283 ♪ A drug that only worked ♪ 872 00:58:54,617 --> 00:58:56,786 ♪ The first few hundred times ♪ 873 00:58:56,870 --> 00:59:00,165 ♪ And that's the thing About illicit affairs ♪ 874 00:59:00,248 --> 00:59:04,294 ♪ And clandestine meetings And stolen stares ♪ 875 00:59:04,377 --> 00:59:07,881 ♪ They show their truth one single time ♪ 876 00:59:07,964 --> 00:59:11,634 ♪ But they lie and they lie and they lie ♪ 877 00:59:11,718 --> 00:59:16,097 ♪ A million little times ♪ 878 00:59:19,309 --> 00:59:20,727 ♪ And you wanna scream ♪ 879 00:59:20,810 --> 00:59:24,731 ♪ Don't call me kid Don't call me baby ♪ 880 00:59:24,814 --> 00:59:28,693 ♪ Look at this godforsaken mess That you made me ♪ 881 00:59:28,777 --> 00:59:34,491 ♪ You showed me colors you know I can't see with anyone else ♪ 882 00:59:36,701 --> 00:59:40,747 ♪ Don't call me kid Don't call me baby ♪ 883 00:59:40,830 --> 00:59:44,834 ♪ Look at this idiotic fool That you made me ♪ 884 00:59:44,918 --> 00:59:50,507 ♪ You taught me a secret language I can't speak with anyone else ♪ 885 00:59:52,092 --> 00:59:55,470 ♪ And you know damn well ♪ 886 00:59:55,553 --> 00:59:59,349 ♪ For you I would ruin myself ♪ 887 00:59:59,432 --> 01:00:03,770 ♪ A million little times ♪ 888 01:00:16,533 --> 01:00:18,118 [Swift] So, "invisible string." 889 01:00:18,201 --> 01:00:20,578 When I first heard the track that you sent me, 890 01:00:20,662 --> 01:00:24,582 I thought, "I have to write something that matches it," 891 01:00:24,666 --> 01:00:27,961 and pretty quickly I came upon the idea of fate. 892 01:00:28,044 --> 01:00:30,463 'Cause sometimes I just, you know, go into a rabbit hole 893 01:00:30,547 --> 01:00:35,593 of thinking of how things happen, and I kind of love the romantic idea 894 01:00:35,677 --> 01:00:37,345 that every step you're taking, 895 01:00:37,429 --> 01:00:41,808 you're taking one step closer to where you're supposed to be. 896 01:00:41,891 --> 01:00:45,645 You know, guided by this little, like, invisible string. [laughs] 897 01:00:45,729 --> 01:00:49,441 I remember when I bought this little guitar that has a rubber ridge, 898 01:00:49,524 --> 01:00:51,651 which you have one now too, but it has this like-- 899 01:00:51,735 --> 01:00:53,987 Yeah. You got me one and sent it to me, and it was, like-- 900 01:00:54,070 --> 01:00:57,323 I couldn't believe opening up this, like, beautiful-- 901 01:00:57,407 --> 01:00:58,783 Is it a '50s guitar? 902 01:00:58,867 --> 01:01:00,952 -It is from the late '50s... -Wow. 903 01:01:01,036 --> 01:01:03,121 ...and it's been, like, [stammers] renovated 904 01:01:03,204 --> 01:01:06,207 so that the bridge deadens the strings, and it sounds really old. 905 01:01:06,291 --> 01:01:09,753 And it just really kind of writes songs for you, in a way, 906 01:01:09,836 --> 01:01:11,379 -'cause it's so fun to play. -Mm-hmm. 907 01:01:11,463 --> 01:01:13,631 And that was the first one that I wrote with it, 908 01:01:13,715 --> 01:01:18,219 and then you wrote this incredible song that is all about fate, 909 01:01:18,303 --> 01:01:22,515 and that was another moment where I just felt there was this serendipity... 910 01:01:22,599 --> 01:01:25,185 happening between us and crazy chemistry. 911 01:01:25,268 --> 01:01:29,189 As far as, like-- You took exactly what I had written, 912 01:01:29,272 --> 01:01:32,275 and it was as though we wrote it together in a room, or something. 913 01:01:32,359 --> 01:01:36,946 I remembered I wrote it right after I sent an ex a baby gift. 914 01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:39,824 [laughs] And I was just like, "Man, life is great." 915 01:01:39,908 --> 01:01:44,996 And I just remember thinking this is a full signifier that life is great. 916 01:01:48,333 --> 01:01:50,335 ♪ Green was the color of the grass ♪ 917 01:01:50,418 --> 01:01:53,463 ♪ Where I used to read In Centennial Park ♪ 918 01:01:53,963 --> 01:01:58,677 ♪ I used to think I would meet somebody there ♪ 919 01:01:59,761 --> 01:02:04,599 ♪ Teal was the color of your shirt When you were 16 at the yogurt shop ♪ 920 01:02:05,392 --> 01:02:08,853 ♪ You used to work at To make a little money ♪ 921 01:02:11,147 --> 01:02:13,441 ♪ Time Curious time ♪ 922 01:02:13,525 --> 01:02:16,528 ♪ Gave me no compasses Gave me no signs ♪ 923 01:02:16,611 --> 01:02:20,657 ♪ Were there clues I didn't see? ♪ 924 01:02:23,410 --> 01:02:27,038 ♪ And isn't it just so pretty to think ♪ 925 01:02:27,122 --> 01:02:30,083 ♪ All along there was some ♪ 926 01:02:30,166 --> 01:02:32,836 ♪ Invisible string ♪ 927 01:02:33,545 --> 01:02:39,092 ♪ Tying you to me ♪ 928 01:02:40,010 --> 01:02:44,764 ♪ Ooh ♪ 929 01:02:45,807 --> 01:02:50,603 ♪ Bad was the blood of the song in the cab On your first trip to LA ♪ 930 01:02:51,354 --> 01:02:55,608 ♪ You ate at my favorite spot for dinner ♪ 931 01:02:57,235 --> 01:02:59,779 ♪ Bold was the waitress On our three-year-trip ♪ 932 01:02:59,863 --> 01:03:02,741 ♪ Getting lunch down by the Lakes ♪ 933 01:03:02,824 --> 01:03:06,536 ♪ She said I looked like An American singer ♪ 934 01:03:08,788 --> 01:03:11,041 ♪ Time Mystical time ♪ 935 01:03:11,124 --> 01:03:13,960 ♪ Cutting me open, then healing me fine ♪ 936 01:03:14,044 --> 01:03:19,215 ♪ Were there clues I didn't see? ♪ 937 01:03:20,675 --> 01:03:24,429 ♪ And isn't it just so pretty to think ♪ 938 01:03:24,512 --> 01:03:27,849 ♪ All along there was some ♪ 939 01:03:27,932 --> 01:03:30,143 ♪ Invisible string ♪ 940 01:03:31,019 --> 01:03:36,441 ♪ Tying you to me ♪ 941 01:03:37,525 --> 01:03:41,654 ♪ Ooh ♪ 942 01:03:41,738 --> 01:03:46,743 ♪ String that pulled me Out of all the wrong arms ♪ 943 01:03:46,826 --> 01:03:49,412 ♪ Right into that dive bar ♪ 944 01:03:50,372 --> 01:03:55,377 ♪ Something wrapped All of my past mistakes in barbed wire ♪ 945 01:03:56,086 --> 01:03:59,047 ♪ Chains around my demons ♪ 946 01:03:59,130 --> 01:04:02,676 ♪ Wool to brave the seasons ♪ 947 01:04:02,759 --> 01:04:06,429 ♪ One single thread of gold Tied me to you ♪ 948 01:04:17,691 --> 01:04:23,405 ♪ Cold was the steel of my ax to grind For the boys who broke my heart ♪ 949 01:04:23,488 --> 01:04:27,575 ♪ Now I send their babies presents ♪ 950 01:04:29,327 --> 01:04:34,916 ♪ Gold was the color of the leaves When I showed you around Centennial Park ♪ 951 01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,336 ♪ Hell was the journey But it brought me heaven ♪ 952 01:04:40,714 --> 01:04:42,882 ♪ Time Wondrous time ♪ 953 01:04:42,966 --> 01:04:46,052 ♪ Gave me the blues And then purple-pink skies ♪ 954 01:04:46,136 --> 01:04:50,015 ♪ And it's cool Baby, with me ♪ 955 01:04:53,101 --> 01:04:56,563 ♪ And isn't it just so pretty to think ♪ 956 01:04:56,646 --> 01:04:59,274 ♪ All along there was some ♪ 957 01:04:59,816 --> 01:05:01,901 ♪ Invisible string ♪ 958 01:05:02,986 --> 01:05:08,742 ♪ Tying you to me ♪ 959 01:05:09,492 --> 01:05:14,330 ♪ Ooh ♪ 960 01:05:15,290 --> 01:05:20,211 [vocalizing] 961 01:05:21,046 --> 01:05:26,051 ♪ Ooh ♪ 962 01:05:26,134 --> 01:05:29,179 ♪ Oh ♪ 963 01:05:29,262 --> 01:05:30,847 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 964 01:05:31,723 --> 01:05:35,060 ♪ Ooh ♪ 965 01:05:35,143 --> 01:05:36,811 ♪ Oh, whoa ♪ 966 01:05:55,872 --> 01:05:57,165 [Swift] "mad woman." 967 01:05:57,248 --> 01:06:00,335 The first time I heard that piano thing you had written, 968 01:06:00,418 --> 01:06:04,464 I just felt like-- It's got these sort of ominous strings underneath it. 969 01:06:04,547 --> 01:06:06,466 And I was like, "Oh, this is female rage." 970 01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:09,010 Like, "This is a song about female rage. It has to be." 971 01:06:09,094 --> 01:06:11,930 Like, "I have to figure out how to make this about female rage." 972 01:06:13,098 --> 01:06:15,058 And then I was thinking... 973 01:06:15,684 --> 01:06:18,561 the most rage-provoking element of being a female 974 01:06:18,645 --> 01:06:21,439 is the gaslighting that happens when, 975 01:06:22,232 --> 01:06:28,571 you know, for centuries we've been expected to absorb male behavior silently. 976 01:06:28,655 --> 01:06:33,326 Right? Silent absorption of whatever any guy decides to do. 977 01:06:33,410 --> 01:06:38,415 And, oftentimes when we, in our enlightened state 978 01:06:38,498 --> 01:06:43,420 and our emboldened state, now, respond to bad male behavior 979 01:06:43,503 --> 01:06:47,799 or somebody just doing something that was absolutely out of line, 980 01:06:47,882 --> 01:06:49,259 and we respond, 981 01:06:49,342 --> 01:06:52,095 that response is treated like the offense itself. 982 01:06:52,178 --> 01:06:53,179 Yeah. 983 01:06:53,263 --> 01:06:55,265 You know, there's been situations with-- 984 01:06:55,348 --> 01:06:59,310 recently, with somebody who's very guilty of this in my life, 985 01:06:59,394 --> 01:07:01,855 and it's a person who makes me feel, 986 01:07:01,938 --> 01:07:05,483 or tries to make me feel, like I'm the offender 987 01:07:05,567 --> 01:07:08,611 by having any kind of defense to his offenses. 988 01:07:08,695 --> 01:07:12,741 It's like, "Oh, I have absolutely no right to respond or I'm crazy. 989 01:07:12,824 --> 01:07:15,410 I have no right to respond or I'm angry. 990 01:07:15,493 --> 01:07:18,288 I have no right to respond or I'm out of line." 991 01:07:18,371 --> 01:07:21,875 So you were providing the musical bed for me to make that point 992 01:07:21,958 --> 01:07:24,169 that I've been trying so hard to figure out. 993 01:07:24,252 --> 01:07:27,589 How do I say that-- How do I say why this feels so bad? 994 01:07:33,345 --> 01:07:36,389 ♪ What did you think I'd say to that? ♪ 995 01:07:36,473 --> 01:07:39,768 ♪ Does a scorpion sting When fighting back? ♪ 996 01:07:39,851 --> 01:07:44,105 ♪ They strike to kill And you know I will ♪ 997 01:07:46,900 --> 01:07:49,361 ♪ You know I will ♪ 998 01:07:53,740 --> 01:07:56,951 ♪ What do you sing on your drive home? ♪ 999 01:07:57,035 --> 01:07:59,954 ♪ Do you see my face In the neighbor's lawn? ♪ 1000 01:08:00,038 --> 01:08:02,082 ♪ Does she smile ♪ 1001 01:08:02,165 --> 01:08:06,127 ♪ Or does she mouth "**** you forever"? ♪ 1002 01:08:07,128 --> 01:08:11,424 ♪ Every time you call me crazy I get more crazy ♪ 1003 01:08:11,508 --> 01:08:13,009 ♪ What about that? ♪ 1004 01:08:14,260 --> 01:08:19,099 ♪ And when you say I seem angry I get more angry ♪ 1005 01:08:19,182 --> 01:08:22,769 ♪ And there's nothing like a mad woman ♪ 1006 01:08:22,852 --> 01:08:25,355 ♪ What a shame she went mad ♪ 1007 01:08:26,564 --> 01:08:29,275 ♪ No one likes a mad woman ♪ 1008 01:08:29,901 --> 01:08:32,195 ♪ You made her like that ♪ 1009 01:08:33,113 --> 01:08:36,491 ♪ And you'll poke that bear Till her claws come out ♪ 1010 01:08:36,574 --> 01:08:40,704 ♪ And you find something To wrap your noose around ♪ 1011 01:08:41,496 --> 01:08:47,293 ♪ And there's nothing like a mad woman ♪ 1012 01:09:01,224 --> 01:09:04,561 ♪ Now I breathe flames each time I talk ♪ 1013 01:09:04,644 --> 01:09:07,731 ♪ My cannons all firin' at your yacht ♪ 1014 01:09:07,814 --> 01:09:12,193 ♪ They say, "Move on" But you know I won't ♪ 1015 01:09:14,654 --> 01:09:17,949 ♪ And women like hunting witches too ♪ 1016 01:09:18,033 --> 01:09:21,369 ♪ Doing your dirtiest work for you ♪ 1017 01:09:21,453 --> 01:09:28,126 ♪ It's obvious that wanting me dead Has really brought you two together ♪ 1018 01:09:28,209 --> 01:09:32,547 ♪ Every time you call me crazy I get more crazy ♪ 1019 01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:34,341 ♪ What about that? ♪ 1020 01:09:35,342 --> 01:09:40,055 ♪ And when you say I seem angry I get more angry ♪ 1021 01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,933 ♪ And there's nothing like a mad woman ♪ 1022 01:09:44,017 --> 01:09:46,770 ♪ What a shame she went mad ♪ 1023 01:09:47,645 --> 01:09:50,857 ♪ No one likes a mad woman ♪ 1024 01:09:50,940 --> 01:09:53,026 ♪ You made her like that ♪ 1025 01:09:54,152 --> 01:09:57,489 ♪ And you'll poke that bear Till her claws come out ♪ 1026 01:09:57,572 --> 01:10:01,868 ♪ And you find something To wrap your noose around ♪ 1027 01:10:02,619 --> 01:10:08,583 ♪ And there's nothing like a mad woman ♪ 1028 01:10:09,459 --> 01:10:12,921 ♪ I'm taking my time Taking my time ♪ 1029 01:10:13,004 --> 01:10:16,341 ♪ Cause you took everything from me ♪ 1030 01:10:16,424 --> 01:10:19,803 ♪ Watching you climb Watching you climb ♪ 1031 01:10:19,886 --> 01:10:22,389 ♪ Over people like me ♪ 1032 01:10:23,056 --> 01:10:26,393 ♪ The master of spin Has a couple side flings ♪ 1033 01:10:26,476 --> 01:10:29,312 ♪ Good wives always know ♪ 1034 01:10:29,979 --> 01:10:33,024 ♪ She should be mad Should be scathing like me ♪ 1035 01:10:33,108 --> 01:10:38,947 ♪ But no one likes a mad woman ♪ 1036 01:10:39,823 --> 01:10:42,409 ♪ What a shame she went mad ♪ 1037 01:10:46,788 --> 01:10:49,249 ♪ You made her like that ♪ 1038 01:11:17,861 --> 01:11:21,197 I think I really felt like there should be a string moment on the album 1039 01:11:21,281 --> 01:11:25,493 because we were towards the end of it, and it was all very piano and acoustic. 1040 01:11:26,119 --> 01:11:28,538 And you're so good with string arrangements, 1041 01:11:28,621 --> 01:11:32,459 and, you know, Bryce is-- I mean, a genius. 1042 01:11:32,542 --> 01:11:36,671 And I kinda felt like there should be a moment where 1043 01:11:36,755 --> 01:11:40,216 there's a song that was unlike anything I'd done before 1044 01:11:40,300 --> 01:11:44,637 and could really exercise that muscle that I know that you have. 1045 01:11:44,721 --> 01:11:47,766 And I couldn't-- When I heard it, I remember thinking, 1046 01:11:47,849 --> 01:11:50,560 "Maybe I wanna tell a sports story." [chuckles] 1047 01:11:50,643 --> 01:11:55,315 'Cause I had just watched The Last Dance, and I was... 1048 01:11:55,398 --> 01:11:57,567 and I was thinking all in terms of sports 1049 01:11:57,650 --> 01:12:01,237 and winners and underdogs and things like that, but actually, 1050 01:12:01,321 --> 01:12:05,617 what I had been doing really frequently 1051 01:12:05,700 --> 01:12:09,120 up until that point was I had been doing a lot of research on my grandfather 1052 01:12:09,204 --> 01:12:12,207 who fought in World War II at Guadalcanal. 1053 01:12:12,290 --> 01:12:16,878 Which was an extremely bloody battle, 1054 01:12:16,961 --> 01:12:20,340 and, you know, he never talked about it. 1055 01:12:20,423 --> 01:12:24,260 Not with his sons, not with his wife. 1056 01:12:24,344 --> 01:12:26,388 Nobody got to hear about what happened there. 1057 01:12:26,471 --> 01:12:29,057 And so, my dad had to do a lot of research, 1058 01:12:29,140 --> 01:12:32,310 and he and his brothers did a lot of digging 1059 01:12:32,394 --> 01:12:36,356 and found out that my granddad was exposed 1060 01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:38,441 -to some of the worst situations... -Fighting, yeah. 1061 01:12:38,525 --> 01:12:40,652 ...you could ever imagine as a human being. 1062 01:12:40,735 --> 01:12:44,698 And so, I kind of tried to imagine what would happen 1063 01:12:44,781 --> 01:12:47,450 in order to make you just never be able to speak about something. 1064 01:12:47,534 --> 01:12:50,954 When I was thinking about that, I realized that... 1065 01:12:51,037 --> 01:12:55,500 that there are people, right now, you know, 1066 01:12:55,583 --> 01:13:00,213 taking a twenty-minute break in between shifts at a hospital, 1067 01:13:00,296 --> 01:13:03,466 who are having this kind of trauma happen to them right now, 1068 01:13:03,550 --> 01:13:05,844 that they will probably never want to speak about. 1069 01:13:06,511 --> 01:13:07,512 You know? 1070 01:13:07,595 --> 01:13:09,889 And so, I just kind of thought, like, 1071 01:13:09,973 --> 01:13:14,394 this is an opportunity to maybe tell that story. 1072 01:13:15,645 --> 01:13:17,897 The way you weave that together, 1073 01:13:17,981 --> 01:13:19,482 where there's remembrance 1074 01:13:19,566 --> 01:13:22,152 and bearing witness to your family's history, 1075 01:13:22,235 --> 01:13:26,197 but then recognition of who the heroes are today. 1076 01:13:26,281 --> 01:13:28,158 It's so moving. And I tried-- 1077 01:13:28,241 --> 01:13:31,286 The sense of harmony in that song is really different than other songs. 1078 01:13:31,369 --> 01:13:34,080 And again, it was as though we did it in the same room 1079 01:13:34,164 --> 01:13:36,041 -and worked out the chords and everything. -Yeah. 1080 01:13:36,124 --> 01:13:39,586 And how you sing to it feels different than any other song. 1081 01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:43,381 It was another moment where it just felt like I was just thankful to be a musician. 1082 01:13:43,465 --> 01:13:45,967 Or like, "This is why I play music." You know, something like-- 1083 01:13:46,051 --> 01:13:47,802 Yeah, I felt that way with this song too, 1084 01:13:47,886 --> 01:13:51,431 where it was just like, "How did this slot into place and come together?" 1085 01:13:51,514 --> 01:13:53,516 I often feel with this album, 1086 01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:58,063 there have been times in my life where things have fallen apart so methodically, 1087 01:13:58,146 --> 01:14:01,149 um, and I couldn't control how things were going wrong, 1088 01:14:01,232 --> 01:14:02,984 and nothing I did stopped it. 1089 01:14:03,068 --> 01:14:05,362 And I felt like I'd just just been pushed out of a plane 1090 01:14:05,445 --> 01:14:07,822 and was, like, scratching at the air on the way down, 1091 01:14:07,906 --> 01:14:10,617 and I felt like the universe is just doing its thing. 1092 01:14:10,700 --> 01:14:15,288 It's just dismantling my life, and there's nothing I can do. 1093 01:14:15,372 --> 01:14:18,541 And this is a weird situation where ever since I started making music with you, 1094 01:14:18,625 --> 01:14:24,756 I felt like that was the universe forcing things to fall into place perfectly, 1095 01:14:24,839 --> 01:14:26,591 -and there was nothing I could do. -Yeah. 1096 01:14:26,675 --> 01:14:30,387 It's one of those weird things that makes you think about life a lot, 1097 01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:35,392 where this lockdown could've been a time where I absolutely lost my mind, 1098 01:14:35,475 --> 01:14:40,021 and instead I think this album was a real floatation device for both of us. 1099 01:14:50,573 --> 01:14:55,578 ♪ Keep your helmet ♪ 1100 01:14:55,662 --> 01:15:00,208 ♪ Keep your life, son ♪ 1101 01:15:00,875 --> 01:15:05,880 ♪ Just a flesh wound ♪ 1102 01:15:05,964 --> 01:15:11,094 ♪ Here's your rifle ♪ 1103 01:15:13,638 --> 01:15:16,641 ♪ Crawling off the beaches now ♪ 1104 01:15:18,685 --> 01:15:21,646 ♪ Sir, I think he's bleedin' out ♪ 1105 01:15:23,565 --> 01:15:28,153 ♪ And some things You just can't speak about ♪ 1106 01:15:31,573 --> 01:15:33,533 ♪ With you I serve ♪ 1107 01:15:33,616 --> 01:15:36,911 ♪ With you I fall down ♪ 1108 01:15:37,871 --> 01:15:39,831 ♪ Down ♪ 1109 01:15:41,708 --> 01:15:43,543 ♪ Watch you breathe in ♪ 1110 01:15:43,626 --> 01:15:47,088 ♪ Watch you breathin' out ♪ 1111 01:15:48,089 --> 01:15:49,924 ♪ Out ♪ 1112 01:15:52,093 --> 01:15:56,931 ♪ Something med school ♪ 1113 01:15:57,015 --> 01:16:01,686 ♪ Did not cover ♪ 1114 01:16:01,770 --> 01:16:06,524 ♪ Someone's daughter ♪ 1115 01:16:07,275 --> 01:16:12,489 ♪ Someone's mother Oh ♪ 1116 01:16:15,158 --> 01:16:18,119 ♪ Holds your hand through plastic now ♪ 1117 01:16:20,038 --> 01:16:23,208 ♪ Doc, I think she's crashing out ♪ 1118 01:16:24,876 --> 01:16:29,839 ♪ And some things You just can't speak about ♪ 1119 01:16:53,154 --> 01:16:56,408 ♪ Only 20 minutes to sleep ♪ 1120 01:16:56,491 --> 01:17:02,080 ♪ But you dream of some epiphany ♪ 1121 01:17:02,997 --> 01:17:06,543 ♪ Just one single glimpse of relief ♪ 1122 01:17:06,626 --> 01:17:12,507 ♪ To make some sense of what you've seen ♪ 1123 01:17:13,591 --> 01:17:15,552 ♪ With you, I serve ♪ 1124 01:17:15,635 --> 01:17:19,222 ♪ With you, I fall down ♪ 1125 01:17:20,015 --> 01:17:21,933 ♪ Down ♪ 1126 01:17:23,768 --> 01:17:25,854 ♪ Watch you breathe in ♪ 1127 01:17:25,937 --> 01:17:29,607 ♪ Watch you breathing out ♪ 1128 01:17:30,191 --> 01:17:32,360 ♪ Out ♪ 1129 01:17:34,029 --> 01:17:36,197 ♪ With you, I serve ♪ 1130 01:17:36,281 --> 01:17:39,534 ♪ With you, I fall down ♪ 1131 01:17:40,326 --> 01:17:43,246 ♪ Down ♪ 1132 01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:46,166 ♪ Watch you breathe in ♪ 1133 01:17:46,249 --> 01:17:49,919 ♪ Watch you breathing out ♪ 1134 01:17:50,754 --> 01:17:53,173 ♪ Out ♪ 1135 01:17:54,549 --> 01:17:57,594 ♪ Only 20 minutes to sleep ♪ 1136 01:17:57,677 --> 01:18:03,308 ♪ But you dream of some epiphany ♪ 1137 01:18:04,684 --> 01:18:07,729 ♪ Just one single glimpse of relief ♪ 1138 01:18:07,812 --> 01:18:10,648 ♪ To make some sense of what you've seen ♪ 1139 01:18:10,732 --> 01:18:14,235 ♪ Make sense of what you've seen ♪ 1140 01:18:53,983 --> 01:18:56,486 One of my favorite things about this record is the fact that 1141 01:18:56,569 --> 01:18:58,363 there's this trilogy of three. 1142 01:18:58,446 --> 01:19:03,910 The trinity of "betty," "august" and "cardigan" are all, like... 1143 01:19:04,911 --> 01:19:07,831 We made "august" together. We made "cardigan" together. 1144 01:19:07,914 --> 01:19:10,792 -We all three made "betty" together. -[Antonoff] It's perfect. 1145 01:19:10,875 --> 01:19:13,545 And "betty" was-- I just heard Joe singing 1146 01:19:13,628 --> 01:19:17,924 the entire fully formed chorus of "betty" from another room. 1147 01:19:18,008 --> 01:19:19,009 [Antonoff] Yeah. 1148 01:19:19,092 --> 01:19:21,720 And I just was like, "Hello." 1149 01:19:21,803 --> 01:19:23,346 You're like, "I do this professionally." 1150 01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:25,223 -Hello. -"I'd love to have a conversation." 1151 01:19:25,306 --> 01:19:27,726 It was a step that we would never have taken 1152 01:19:27,809 --> 01:19:31,146 because why would we have ever written a song together? 1153 01:19:31,229 --> 01:19:34,149 I thought you were doing a bit when you were like, "Joe and I wrote a song." 1154 01:19:34,232 --> 01:19:36,276 Then I was like, "What?" I thought it was gonna be, like, 1155 01:19:36,359 --> 01:19:39,696 you know, people write cute songs about their animals, in relationships. 1156 01:19:39,779 --> 01:19:41,698 And then you're like, "No, no, we wrote a real song" 1157 01:19:41,781 --> 01:19:44,159 and I was like, "What?" Then you sent it to me, I was like... 1158 01:19:44,242 --> 01:19:46,453 So this was the first time we had a conversation, 1159 01:19:46,536 --> 01:19:48,872 where I came in and I was like, "Hey, 1160 01:19:49,706 --> 01:19:53,209 this could be really weird, and we could hate this, 1161 01:19:53,293 --> 01:19:58,590 so because we're in quarantine and there's nothing else going on, 1162 01:19:58,673 --> 01:20:01,551 could we just try to see what it's like if we write this song together?" 1163 01:20:01,634 --> 01:20:05,430 So, he was singing the chorus of it, and I thought it sounded really good 1164 01:20:05,513 --> 01:20:08,933 from a man's voice, from a masculine perspective. 1165 01:20:09,017 --> 01:20:12,020 And I really liked that it seems to be an apology. 1166 01:20:12,103 --> 01:20:14,981 And I've written so many songs from a female's perspective 1167 01:20:15,065 --> 01:20:17,692 of wanting a male apology 1168 01:20:17,776 --> 01:20:21,196 that we decided to make it from a teenage boy's perspective 1169 01:20:21,279 --> 01:20:23,656 apologizing after he loses the love of his life 1170 01:20:23,740 --> 01:20:25,992 because he's been foolish. 1171 01:20:26,076 --> 01:20:27,160 Allegedly. 1172 01:20:28,078 --> 01:20:29,079 No, he's been foolish. 1173 01:20:29,162 --> 01:20:31,164 No, according to the Internet, we don't know what it's about. 1174 01:20:31,247 --> 01:20:32,582 -He's been foolish. -No, I mean-- 1175 01:20:32,665 --> 01:20:35,126 We wrote it. I'm confirming. He's been foolish. He was a fool. 1176 01:20:35,210 --> 01:20:37,170 I don't know who William Bowery is, so yeah, okay. 1177 01:20:47,013 --> 01:20:51,976 ♪ Betty, I won't make assumptions About why you switched your homeroom ♪ 1178 01:20:52,060 --> 01:20:54,187 ♪ But I think it's 'cause of me ♪ 1179 01:20:56,898 --> 01:21:00,735 ♪ Betty, one time I was riding On my skateboard ♪ 1180 01:21:00,819 --> 01:21:02,487 ♪ When I passed your house ♪ 1181 01:21:02,570 --> 01:21:04,322 ♪ It's like I couldn't breathe ♪ 1182 01:21:06,574 --> 01:21:09,119 ♪ You heard the rumors from Inez ♪ 1183 01:21:09,202 --> 01:21:12,455 ♪ You can't believe a word she says Most times ♪ 1184 01:21:12,539 --> 01:21:14,416 ♪ But this time it was true ♪ 1185 01:21:15,583 --> 01:21:20,797 ♪ The worst thing that I ever did ♪ 1186 01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:25,301 ♪ Was what I did to you ♪ 1187 01:21:27,762 --> 01:21:30,598 ♪ But if I just showed up at your party ♪ 1188 01:21:30,682 --> 01:21:33,184 ♪ Would you have me? Would you want me? ♪ 1189 01:21:33,268 --> 01:21:38,106 ♪ Would you tell me to go **** myself Or lead me to the garden? ♪ 1190 01:21:38,189 --> 01:21:40,692 ♪ In the garden, would you trust me ♪ 1191 01:21:40,775 --> 01:21:44,195 ♪ If I told you It was just a summer thing? ♪ 1192 01:21:44,279 --> 01:21:47,782 ♪ I'm only 17 I don't know anything ♪ 1193 01:21:47,866 --> 01:21:51,411 ♪ But I know I miss you ♪ 1194 01:21:59,419 --> 01:22:02,172 ♪ Betty, I know where it all went wrong ♪ 1195 01:22:02,255 --> 01:22:07,052 ♪ Your favorite song was playing From the far side of the gym ♪ 1196 01:22:09,387 --> 01:22:11,723 ♪ I was nowhere to be found ♪ 1197 01:22:11,806 --> 01:22:14,309 ♪ I hate the crowds You know that ♪ 1198 01:22:14,392 --> 01:22:16,895 ♪ Plus, I saw you dance with him ♪ 1199 01:22:19,105 --> 01:22:21,649 ♪ You heard the rumors from Inez ♪ 1200 01:22:21,733 --> 01:22:24,944 ♪ You can't believe a word she says Most times ♪ 1201 01:22:25,028 --> 01:22:26,654 ♪ But this time it was true ♪ 1202 01:22:28,490 --> 01:22:33,328 ♪ The worst thing that I ever did ♪ 1203 01:22:33,411 --> 01:22:37,916 ♪ Was what I did to you ♪ 1204 01:22:40,335 --> 01:22:43,129 ♪ But if I just showed up at your party ♪ 1205 01:22:43,213 --> 01:22:45,757 ♪ Would you have me? Would you want me? ♪ 1206 01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:50,637 ♪ Would you tell me to go **** myself Or lead me to the garden? ♪ 1207 01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,264 ♪ In the garden, would you trust me ♪ 1208 01:22:53,348 --> 01:22:56,726 ♪ If I told you It was just a summer thing? ♪ 1209 01:22:56,810 --> 01:23:00,271 ♪ I'm only 17 I don't know anything ♪ 1210 01:23:00,355 --> 01:23:04,693 ♪ But I know I miss you ♪ 1211 01:23:11,866 --> 01:23:15,370 ♪ I was walking home On broken cobblestones ♪ 1212 01:23:15,453 --> 01:23:17,038 ♪ Just thinking of you ♪ 1213 01:23:17,122 --> 01:23:21,292 ♪ When she pulled up Like a figment of my worst intentions ♪ 1214 01:23:21,376 --> 01:23:24,421 ♪ She said, "James, get in, let's drive" ♪ 1215 01:23:24,504 --> 01:23:26,756 ♪ Those days turned into nights ♪ 1216 01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:32,178 ♪ Slept next to her But I dreamt of you all summer long ♪ 1217 01:23:49,487 --> 01:23:51,990 ♪ Betty, I'm here on your doorstep ♪ 1218 01:23:52,073 --> 01:23:56,745 ♪ And I planned it out for weeks now But it's finally sinking in ♪ 1219 01:23:58,955 --> 01:24:01,958 ♪ Betty, right now is the last time ♪ 1220 01:24:02,042 --> 01:24:07,005 ♪ I can dream about what happens When you see my face again ♪ 1221 01:24:08,465 --> 01:24:13,053 ♪ The only thing I wanna do ♪ 1222 01:24:13,136 --> 01:24:17,390 ♪ Is make it up to you ♪ 1223 01:24:20,602 --> 01:24:24,230 ♪ So, I showed up at your party ♪ 1224 01:24:30,653 --> 01:24:34,366 ♪ Yeah, I showed up at your party ♪ 1225 01:24:40,455 --> 01:24:43,166 ♪ Yeah, I showed up at your party ♪ 1226 01:24:43,249 --> 01:24:45,585 ♪ Will you have me? Will you love me? ♪ 1227 01:24:45,669 --> 01:24:50,632 ♪ Will you kiss me on the porch In front of all your stupid friends? ♪ 1228 01:24:50,715 --> 01:24:54,636 ♪ If you kiss me Will it be just like I dreamed it? ♪ 1229 01:24:54,719 --> 01:24:56,763 ♪ Will it patch your broken wings? ♪ 1230 01:24:56,846 --> 01:25:00,266 ♪ I'm only 17 I don't know anything ♪ 1231 01:25:00,350 --> 01:25:03,144 ♪ But I know I miss you ♪ 1232 01:25:05,188 --> 01:25:08,274 ♪ Standing in your cardigan ♪ 1233 01:25:10,151 --> 01:25:13,113 ♪ Kissing in my car again ♪ 1234 01:25:14,114 --> 01:25:15,532 ♪ Stopped at a streetlight ♪ 1235 01:25:15,615 --> 01:25:19,494 ♪ You know I miss you ♪ 1236 01:25:28,712 --> 01:25:33,049 With the song "peace," uh, when you sent me this instrumental, 1237 01:25:33,133 --> 01:25:35,552 the first word that I thought of 1238 01:25:35,635 --> 01:25:37,554 was this is what peace sounds like. 1239 01:25:37,637 --> 01:25:41,349 It's got this, you know, this amazing bass line 1240 01:25:41,433 --> 01:25:44,561 that just made me feel like, "This is serenity. This is peace." 1241 01:25:44,644 --> 01:25:48,606 And then I was thinking, maybe you just start with the obvious 1242 01:25:48,690 --> 01:25:52,777 and think about how that could be told in an interesting way 1243 01:25:52,861 --> 01:25:55,697 that kind of goes against the title. 1244 01:25:55,780 --> 01:25:58,491 Like, "I could never give you peace," 1245 01:25:58,575 --> 01:26:02,412 over the most peaceful sounding instrumental track. 1246 01:26:02,495 --> 01:26:04,622 Yeah. That's why I sent it to you 'cause you kinda said, 1247 01:26:04,706 --> 01:26:08,668 "Send me everything, including the most off-the-wall idea you have," 1248 01:26:08,752 --> 01:26:13,715 um, and then you were able to write a song, 1249 01:26:13,798 --> 01:26:17,927 which, not only does it, like, have such a beautiful-- 1250 01:26:18,011 --> 01:26:24,434 It's just such a beautiful love song in recognition of the kind of, like, uh... 1251 01:26:24,517 --> 01:26:28,605 insecurity in any relationship that, like, "Will this actually... 1252 01:26:28,688 --> 01:26:31,858 Will I be able to give you peace? Will you be at rest with me, 1253 01:26:31,941 --> 01:26:35,028 even though, you know, whatever comes?" 1254 01:26:35,111 --> 01:26:37,197 -Yeah. -Um, but you also trace the bridge. 1255 01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:39,074 When I heard the bridge, 1256 01:26:39,157 --> 01:26:43,161 and that you traced all the weird timing and weird chord changes, 1257 01:26:43,244 --> 01:26:45,413 it just felt like, "Okay, we can do anything. 1258 01:26:45,497 --> 01:26:48,124 We might be able to do anything," or something. You know, this is a-- 1259 01:26:48,208 --> 01:26:52,545 Like, it pushed the collaboration forward at that moment. 1260 01:26:52,629 --> 01:26:56,091 Where I was like, "Okay, so this is a weird race. Let's just--" [whooshes] 1261 01:26:56,174 --> 01:27:00,136 Yeah. I think this is a song that's extremely personal to me 1262 01:27:00,220 --> 01:27:04,182 because there are times when I feel like, 1263 01:27:04,265 --> 01:27:06,351 with everything that's in my control, 1264 01:27:06,434 --> 01:27:12,857 I can make myself seem like someone who doesn't have an abnormal life. 1265 01:27:12,941 --> 01:27:14,567 And I try that every day. 1266 01:27:14,651 --> 01:27:17,070 Every day it's like, "How do I make myself, 1267 01:27:17,153 --> 01:27:19,781 among my friends and family and my loved ones, 1268 01:27:19,864 --> 01:27:23,952 not see this big elephant that's in the room for a normal life?" 1269 01:27:24,035 --> 01:27:26,079 Because I don't want the elephant in the room. 1270 01:27:26,162 --> 01:27:27,372 -Yeah. -You know? 1271 01:27:27,455 --> 01:27:30,208 If you're gonna be in my life, I feel like there's a certain amount 1272 01:27:30,291 --> 01:27:33,003 that comes with it that I can't stop from happening. 1273 01:27:33,086 --> 01:27:37,090 I can't stop from you getting a call in the morning that says, you know, 1274 01:27:37,173 --> 01:27:40,135 the tabloids are writing this today. 1275 01:27:40,218 --> 01:27:45,056 I can't help it if there's a guy with a long lens camera 1276 01:27:45,140 --> 01:27:49,310 two miles away with a telescope lens taking pictures of you. 1277 01:27:49,394 --> 01:27:51,813 I can't stop those things from happening. 1278 01:27:51,896 --> 01:27:55,859 And so, this song was basically, like, is it enough? 1279 01:27:55,942 --> 01:28:00,572 Is the stuff that I can control enough 1280 01:28:00,655 --> 01:28:05,160 to sort of block out the things that I can't? 1281 01:28:05,243 --> 01:28:06,578 -Yeah. -Um... 1282 01:28:06,661 --> 01:28:10,331 So, it makes me really, like, really emotional to hear this song 1283 01:28:10,415 --> 01:28:13,460 and to know that a lot of people related to it 1284 01:28:13,543 --> 01:28:17,130 who aren't talking about the same things that I'm talking about. 1285 01:28:17,213 --> 01:28:20,383 They're talking about human complexity. 1286 01:28:20,467 --> 01:28:24,346 Yeah. I love that about the record in general and this song specifically. 1287 01:28:24,429 --> 01:28:26,473 'Cause to me, it's about-- 1288 01:28:26,556 --> 01:28:29,726 I have, in my life, suffered from depression, 1289 01:28:29,809 --> 01:28:32,354 and I'm a hard person to be in a relationship with 1290 01:28:32,437 --> 01:28:35,440 or be married to because I go up and down. 1291 01:28:35,523 --> 01:28:39,110 And I can't help it. It's a chemical thing that happens sometimes. 1292 01:28:39,194 --> 01:28:42,280 And music is a way of dealing with that for me. 1293 01:28:42,364 --> 01:28:48,870 Um, and just somehow the song captures the fragility of what that's like 1294 01:28:48,953 --> 01:28:52,165 to be in a relationship with someone who may or may not have peace 1295 01:28:52,248 --> 01:28:54,125 or may-- But that's, again, my interpretation. 1296 01:28:54,209 --> 01:28:56,127 And someone who you would wanna provide with peace. 1297 01:28:56,211 --> 01:28:57,796 -Yeah. -You know, someone that you love, 1298 01:28:57,879 --> 01:29:01,508 so you want them to have as much peace in their life as possible 1299 01:29:01,591 --> 01:29:06,179 and reconciling the fact that you might not be their best option for that, 1300 01:29:06,262 --> 01:29:08,682 -but is it still a deal they wanna take? -Yeah. 1301 01:29:27,784 --> 01:29:31,037 ♪ Our coming-of-age has come and gone ♪ 1302 01:29:31,121 --> 01:29:34,124 ♪ Suddenly this summer it's clear ♪ 1303 01:29:34,207 --> 01:29:37,293 ♪ I never had the courage Of my convictions ♪ 1304 01:29:37,877 --> 01:29:40,672 ♪ As long as danger is near ♪ 1305 01:29:40,755 --> 01:29:44,300 ♪ And it's just around the corner Darling ♪ 1306 01:29:44,384 --> 01:29:46,094 ♪ 'Cause it lives in me ♪ 1307 01:29:47,345 --> 01:29:50,849 ♪ No, I could never give you peace ♪ 1308 01:29:59,315 --> 01:30:02,694 ♪ But I'm a fire And I'll keep your brittle heart warm ♪ 1309 01:30:02,777 --> 01:30:05,905 ♪ If your cascade ocean wave blues come ♪ 1310 01:30:05,989 --> 01:30:08,033 ♪ All these people think love's for show ♪ 1311 01:30:08,116 --> 01:30:10,952 ♪ But I would die for you in secret ♪ 1312 01:30:11,036 --> 01:30:16,458 ♪ The devil's in the details But you got a friend in me ♪ 1313 01:30:17,917 --> 01:30:22,797 ♪ Would it be enough If I could never give you peace? ♪ 1314 01:30:25,216 --> 01:30:28,053 ♪ Your integrity makes me seem small ♪ 1315 01:30:28,845 --> 01:30:31,473 ♪ You paint dreamscapes on the wall ♪ 1316 01:30:32,182 --> 01:30:34,559 ♪ I talk shit with my friends ♪ 1317 01:30:34,642 --> 01:30:39,022 ♪ It's like I'm wasting your honor ♪ 1318 01:30:47,614 --> 01:30:50,825 ♪ And you know that I'd ♪ 1319 01:30:52,202 --> 01:30:55,163 ♪ Swing with you for the fences ♪ 1320 01:30:55,246 --> 01:30:58,458 ♪ Sit with you in the trenches ♪ 1321 01:30:59,125 --> 01:31:00,794 ♪ Give you my wild ♪ 1322 01:31:00,877 --> 01:31:03,463 ♪ Give you a child ♪ 1323 01:31:03,546 --> 01:31:07,258 ♪ Give you the silence that only comes When two people understand each other ♪ 1324 01:31:07,342 --> 01:31:11,971 ♪ Family that I chose now that I see your brother as my brother ♪ 1325 01:31:12,055 --> 01:31:14,766 ♪ Is it enough? ♪ 1326 01:31:16,351 --> 01:31:19,896 ♪ Cause there's robbers to the east Clowns to the west ♪ 1327 01:31:19,979 --> 01:31:22,941 ♪ I'd give you my sunshine Give you my best ♪ 1328 01:31:23,024 --> 01:31:28,488 ♪ But the rain is always gonna come If you're standing with me ♪ 1329 01:31:33,243 --> 01:31:36,579 ♪ But I'm a fire And I'll keep your brittle heart warm ♪ 1330 01:31:36,663 --> 01:31:39,499 ♪ If your cascade ocean wave blues come ♪ 1331 01:31:39,582 --> 01:31:41,835 ♪ All these people think love's for show ♪ 1332 01:31:41,918 --> 01:31:44,796 ♪ But I would die for you in secret ♪ 1333 01:31:44,879 --> 01:31:50,468 ♪ The devil's in the details But you got a friend in me ♪ 1334 01:31:51,928 --> 01:31:57,308 ♪ Would it be enough If I could never give you peace? ♪ 1335 01:31:58,727 --> 01:32:04,899 ♪ Would it be enough If I could never give you peace? ♪ 1336 01:32:04,983 --> 01:32:10,321 ♪ Would it be enough If I could never give you peace? ♪ 1337 01:32:27,547 --> 01:32:29,758 Okay, the word hoax is another word that I love 1338 01:32:29,841 --> 01:32:32,844 'cause I love that it has an "x," and I love the way that it looks, 1339 01:32:32,927 --> 01:32:34,304 and I love the way it sounds. 1340 01:32:34,387 --> 01:32:37,140 I think with this song being the last song on the album, 1341 01:32:37,223 --> 01:32:42,395 it kind of embodied all the things that this album was thematically. 1342 01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:47,233 Like confessions, um, incorporating nature, 1343 01:32:47,317 --> 01:32:50,612 emotional volatility and ambiguity at the same time, 1344 01:32:50,695 --> 01:32:54,199 sort of love that isn't just easy. 1345 01:32:54,282 --> 01:32:58,620 And it's the most symbolic, poetic thing 1346 01:32:58,703 --> 01:33:02,040 listing all these things that this person is to you. 1347 01:33:02,123 --> 01:33:04,292 And I remember I asked you for advice on this one. 1348 01:33:04,376 --> 01:33:06,086 You did. I think you didn't-- I think... 1349 01:33:06,169 --> 01:33:08,338 Like, to you it meant different things, 1350 01:33:08,421 --> 01:33:10,799 and that was a moment of, like, doubt or something. 1351 01:33:10,882 --> 01:33:12,926 And I said-- I think I said, 1352 01:33:13,009 --> 01:33:17,097 "What if not all of these feelings are about the same person? 1353 01:33:17,180 --> 01:33:22,102 What if I'm writing about several different, very fractured situations?" 1354 01:33:22,185 --> 01:33:24,104 Like, one is about love, 1355 01:33:24,187 --> 01:33:28,149 and one is about a business thing that really hurt, 1356 01:33:28,233 --> 01:33:31,736 and one is about a sort of relationship that I consider to be family, 1357 01:33:31,820 --> 01:33:33,488 but that really hurt. 1358 01:33:33,571 --> 01:33:34,614 Yeah, and I remember-- 1359 01:33:34,698 --> 01:33:36,408 -This is one of the moments-- -You referenced Matt. 1360 01:33:36,491 --> 01:33:39,035 Yeah. When Matt, you know, The National and Matt Berninger-- 1361 01:33:39,119 --> 01:33:44,457 Often songs are about more than one thing or many sides of a coin. 1362 01:33:44,541 --> 01:33:46,876 And I just love that, and I kind of thought, 1363 01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:49,796 "This is-- This feels different, and it also feels--" 1364 01:33:49,879 --> 01:33:53,299 Um, I kinda like the fact that you weren't totally sure. 1365 01:33:53,383 --> 01:33:54,843 I definitely had the moment of doubt. 1366 01:33:54,926 --> 01:33:56,970 I had the moment of like, "I don't usually do this. 1367 01:33:57,053 --> 01:33:59,597 I usually know exactly what I'm writing about." 1368 01:33:59,681 --> 01:34:03,768 Um, and I was really happy when you kinda pushed me forward like, 1369 01:34:04,477 --> 01:34:06,396 "Nope, do the thing that makes you uncomfortable." 1370 01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:09,399 Because I think that's what makes it a song that really, to me, stands out. 1371 01:34:09,482 --> 01:34:12,944 That line about, "you know it still hurts underneath my scars 1372 01:34:13,028 --> 01:34:15,655 from when they pulled me apart." Anyone in my life knows 1373 01:34:15,739 --> 01:34:18,867 -what I'm singing about there, but it-- -"But what you did was just as dark." 1374 01:34:18,950 --> 01:34:21,119 Everybody has that situation in their life 1375 01:34:21,202 --> 01:34:23,747 where it's, like, you let someone in and they get to know you, 1376 01:34:23,830 --> 01:34:26,374 and they know exactly what buttons to push to hurt you the most. 1377 01:34:26,458 --> 01:34:27,459 Yeah. 1378 01:34:27,542 --> 01:34:30,795 That thing where the scar healed over, but it's still painful. 1379 01:34:30,879 --> 01:34:32,422 They still have phantom pain. 1380 01:34:32,505 --> 01:34:33,506 Yeah. 1381 01:34:33,590 --> 01:34:36,593 I think the part that sounds like love to me is, 1382 01:34:36,676 --> 01:34:38,678 "Don't want no other shade of blue but you. 1383 01:34:38,762 --> 01:34:40,722 No other sadness in the world would do." 1384 01:34:40,805 --> 01:34:43,850 It sounds like-- To me, that sounds like what love really is. 1385 01:34:43,933 --> 01:34:45,643 Like, "Who would you be sad with? 1386 01:34:45,727 --> 01:34:47,812 And who would you deal with when they were sad?" 1387 01:34:47,896 --> 01:34:52,067 And like, "Gray skies every day for months, would you still stay?" 1388 01:34:52,150 --> 01:34:53,109 Yeah. 1389 01:34:53,193 --> 01:34:56,279 One, two. One... 1390 01:34:57,072 --> 01:34:59,991 ♪ My only one ♪ 1391 01:35:00,784 --> 01:35:04,162 ♪ My smoking gun ♪ 1392 01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:07,791 ♪ My eclipsed sun ♪ 1393 01:35:07,874 --> 01:35:12,087 ♪ This has broken me down ♪ 1394 01:35:13,254 --> 01:35:16,716 ♪ My twisted knife ♪ 1395 01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:20,053 ♪ My sleepless night ♪ 1396 01:35:21,221 --> 01:35:23,973 ♪ My winless fight ♪ 1397 01:35:24,057 --> 01:35:28,269 ♪ This has frozen my ground ♪ 1398 01:35:29,813 --> 01:35:32,440 ♪ Stood on the cliffside ♪ 1399 01:35:32,524 --> 01:35:36,778 ♪ Screaming, "Give me a reason" ♪ 1400 01:35:38,113 --> 01:35:44,994 ♪ Your faithless love's the only hoax I believe in ♪ 1401 01:35:46,162 --> 01:35:52,168 ♪ Don't want no other shade of blue But you ♪ 1402 01:35:54,129 --> 01:36:00,510 ♪ No other sadness in the world would do ♪ 1403 01:36:01,261 --> 01:36:04,472 ♪ My best laid plan ♪ 1404 01:36:05,557 --> 01:36:08,810 ♪ Your sleight of hand ♪ 1405 01:36:09,644 --> 01:36:12,313 ♪ My barren land ♪ 1406 01:36:12,397 --> 01:36:16,776 ♪ I am ash from your fire ♪ 1407 01:36:17,944 --> 01:36:20,905 ♪ Stood on the cliffside ♪ 1408 01:36:20,989 --> 01:36:25,326 ♪ Screaming, "Give me a reason" ♪ 1409 01:36:26,453 --> 01:36:33,418 ♪ Your faithless love's the only hoax I believe in ♪ 1410 01:36:34,544 --> 01:36:40,633 ♪ Don't want no other shade of blue But you ♪ 1411 01:36:42,552 --> 01:36:48,641 ♪ No other sadness in the world would do ♪ 1412 01:36:51,644 --> 01:36:55,357 ♪ You know I left a part of me Back in New York ♪ 1413 01:36:55,440 --> 01:36:59,361 ♪ You knew the hero died So what's the movie for ♪ 1414 01:36:59,444 --> 01:37:02,864 ♪ You knew it still hurts Underneath my scars ♪ 1415 01:37:02,947 --> 01:37:05,533 ♪ From when they pulled me apart ♪ 1416 01:37:07,911 --> 01:37:11,289 ♪ You knew the password So I let you in the door ♪ 1417 01:37:11,373 --> 01:37:15,460 ♪ You knew you won So what's the point of keeping score? ♪ 1418 01:37:15,543 --> 01:37:19,005 ♪ You knew it still hurts Underneath my scars ♪ 1419 01:37:19,089 --> 01:37:20,882 ♪ From when they pulled me apart ♪ 1420 01:37:20,965 --> 01:37:24,469 ♪ But what you did was just as dark ♪ 1421 01:37:28,973 --> 01:37:35,689 ♪ Darling, this was just as hard As when they pulled me apart ♪ 1422 01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:41,236 ♪ My only one ♪ 1423 01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:45,657 ♪ My kingdom come undone ♪ 1424 01:37:46,408 --> 01:37:48,868 ♪ My broken drum ♪ 1425 01:37:48,952 --> 01:37:53,707 ♪ You have beaten my heart ♪ 1426 01:37:55,208 --> 01:38:01,131 ♪ Don't want no other shade of blue But you ♪ 1427 01:38:03,299 --> 01:38:09,431 ♪ No other sadness in the world would do ♪ 1428 01:38:33,830 --> 01:38:36,041 I think "the lakes" sort of sounds like a testament 1429 01:38:36,124 --> 01:38:40,295 of what I've wanted to escape from 1430 01:38:40,378 --> 01:38:42,839 and where I saw myself escaping. 1431 01:38:42,922 --> 01:38:46,343 Um, we'd gone to the Lake District in England, uh, a couple years ago. 1432 01:38:46,426 --> 01:38:47,927 What is the Lake District? 1433 01:38:48,011 --> 01:38:51,348 It's in England, and, you know, in the 19th century, 1434 01:38:51,431 --> 01:38:54,059 you had a lot of poets like William Wordsworth, 1435 01:38:54,142 --> 01:38:57,228 and John Keats would spend a lot of time there. 1436 01:38:57,312 --> 01:39:01,566 There was a poet district, these artists that moved there, 1437 01:39:01,649 --> 01:39:05,028 and they were kind of heckled for it and made fun of for it 1438 01:39:05,111 --> 01:39:10,867 as being these eccentrics and these kind of odd, um, odd artists 1439 01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:13,078 who decided that they just wanted to live there. 1440 01:39:13,161 --> 01:39:16,164 And I remembered when we went, I thought, 1441 01:39:16,247 --> 01:39:19,959 "Man, I could see this. 1442 01:39:20,043 --> 01:39:21,878 You know, you live in a cottage, 1443 01:39:21,961 --> 01:39:24,506 and you've got wisteria growing up the outside of it, 1444 01:39:24,589 --> 01:39:27,759 and you just-- [stammers] 1445 01:39:27,842 --> 01:39:30,595 Of course they escaped like that. Of course they would do that." 1446 01:39:30,679 --> 01:39:34,265 And they had their own community of other artists who had done the same thing. 1447 01:39:34,349 --> 01:39:39,187 And then, I've always, in my career, since I was probably about 20, 1448 01:39:39,270 --> 01:39:42,857 written about this sort of cottage backup plan that I have. 1449 01:39:42,941 --> 01:39:45,652 -You've been writing about that forever. -I've been writing about it forever. 1450 01:39:45,735 --> 01:39:47,696 You've been writing about getting out forever. 1451 01:39:47,779 --> 01:39:50,657 Yeah. So "the lakes" is really talking a lot about 1452 01:39:50,740 --> 01:39:52,867 relating to people who, hundreds of years ago, 1453 01:39:52,951 --> 01:39:56,788 had the same exit plan and did it. And they went and did it. 1454 01:39:56,871 --> 01:39:59,582 I went to William Wordsworth's grave 1455 01:39:59,666 --> 01:40:03,336 and just sat there, and I was like, "Wow, you went and did it." 1456 01:40:03,420 --> 01:40:04,796 -Yeah. -"You just did it. 1457 01:40:04,879 --> 01:40:07,007 You just went away, and you kept writing, 1458 01:40:07,090 --> 01:40:09,801 but you didn't subscribe to the things that were killing you." 1459 01:40:09,884 --> 01:40:13,847 [stammers] You left those things behind in a real way. 1460 01:40:13,930 --> 01:40:17,225 And that's really the overarching thing that I felt 1461 01:40:17,308 --> 01:40:19,144 when I was writing folklore is, 1462 01:40:19,227 --> 01:40:22,647 I may not be able to go to the Lakes right now, 1463 01:40:22,731 --> 01:40:26,067 or to go anywhere, but I'm going there in my head, 1464 01:40:26,151 --> 01:40:28,695 -and this escape plan is working. -Well, you have your version of it. 1465 01:40:28,778 --> 01:40:31,990 That, to me, is the hope in this body of work is that 1466 01:40:32,073 --> 01:40:34,034 it's not, "I can't do this. I'm out." 1467 01:40:34,117 --> 01:40:37,912 It's, "I've found something worth escaping with." 1468 01:40:37,996 --> 01:40:39,831 -And a person to escape with. -And a person. 1469 01:40:39,914 --> 01:40:43,168 And, to me, that's a huge, sincere statement of hope 1470 01:40:43,251 --> 01:40:47,839 that everything I'm naming is completely small compared to this love. 1471 01:40:47,922 --> 01:40:49,716 Yeah, it's the perfect-- 1472 01:40:49,799 --> 01:40:54,054 I thought it would be the perfect way to slot the last puzzle piece in, 1473 01:40:54,137 --> 01:40:56,348 right when people least expected it. 1474 01:40:56,431 --> 01:40:57,432 Yeah. 1475 01:40:57,515 --> 01:41:00,977 Um, because "hoax" as the ending song for the record, 1476 01:41:01,061 --> 01:41:04,230 I thought was interesting for a couple weeks, 1477 01:41:04,314 --> 01:41:08,610 but then I wanted to actually come in with the real last song of the record, 1478 01:41:08,693 --> 01:41:13,239 which is this song that-- "the lakes," which shows you exactly what-- 1479 01:41:13,323 --> 01:41:16,242 It kinda is the overarching theme of the whole album, 1480 01:41:16,326 --> 01:41:20,955 of trying to escape, having something you wanna protect, 1481 01:41:21,039 --> 01:41:23,500 trying to protect your own sanity, 1482 01:41:23,583 --> 01:41:26,795 and saying, "Look, they did this hundreds of years ago. 1483 01:41:27,295 --> 01:41:30,048 I'm not the first person who's felt this way. They did this." 1484 01:41:30,131 --> 01:41:32,550 It's a really potent statement right now. 1485 01:41:32,634 --> 01:41:34,928 I think the idea of getting away and figuring out 1486 01:41:35,011 --> 01:41:39,140 how to remove the things that are not working in one's life 1487 01:41:39,224 --> 01:41:41,226 is the story of this time. 1488 01:41:41,309 --> 01:41:43,520 -Yeah. -If you're not thinking about that, 1489 01:41:43,603 --> 01:41:45,146 I don't know what you're thinking about. 1490 01:41:50,735 --> 01:41:57,283 ♪ Is it romantic how all my elegies ♪ 1491 01:41:57,367 --> 01:41:59,994 ♪ Eulogize me? ♪ 1492 01:42:01,204 --> 01:42:08,128 ♪ I'm not cut out For all these cynical clones ♪ 1493 01:42:08,211 --> 01:42:11,631 ♪ These hunters with cell phones ♪ 1494 01:42:11,715 --> 01:42:15,635 ♪ Take me to the Lakes Where all the poets went to die ♪ 1495 01:42:15,719 --> 01:42:17,387 ♪ I don't belong ♪ 1496 01:42:17,470 --> 01:42:20,181 ♪ And, my beloved, neither do you ♪ 1497 01:42:22,308 --> 01:42:26,312 ♪ Those Windermere peaks Look like a perfect place to cry ♪ 1498 01:42:26,396 --> 01:42:30,567 ♪ I'm setting off But not without my muse ♪ 1499 01:42:33,278 --> 01:42:36,114 ♪ What should be over ♪ 1500 01:42:36,656 --> 01:42:39,743 ♪ Burrowed under my skin ♪ 1501 01:42:40,535 --> 01:42:43,872 ♪ In heart-stopping waves of hurt ♪ 1502 01:42:43,955 --> 01:42:50,462 ♪ I've come too far To watch some name-dropping sleaze ♪ 1503 01:42:50,545 --> 01:42:53,715 ♪ Tell me what are my words worth ♪ 1504 01:42:54,507 --> 01:42:58,219 ♪ Take me to the Lakes Where all the poets went to die ♪ 1505 01:42:58,303 --> 01:43:00,096 ♪ I don't belong ♪ 1506 01:43:00,180 --> 01:43:02,766 ♪ And, my beloved, neither do you ♪ 1507 01:43:05,018 --> 01:43:08,855 ♪ Those Windermere peaks Look like a perfect place to cry ♪ 1508 01:43:08,938 --> 01:43:13,318 ♪ I'm setting off But not without my muse ♪ 1509 01:43:15,195 --> 01:43:19,824 ♪ I want auroras and sad prose ♪ 1510 01:43:20,575 --> 01:43:25,163 ♪ I want to watch wisteria grow ♪ 1511 01:43:25,246 --> 01:43:28,416 ♪ Right over my bare feet ♪ 1512 01:43:28,500 --> 01:43:34,089 ♪ Cause I haven't moved in years ♪ 1513 01:43:34,172 --> 01:43:36,591 ♪ And I want you right here ♪ 1514 01:43:37,717 --> 01:43:44,307 ♪ A red rose grew up Out of ice frozen ground ♪ 1515 01:43:44,391 --> 01:43:47,519 ♪ With no one around to tweet it ♪ 1516 01:43:47,602 --> 01:43:51,564 ♪ While I bathe in cliffside pools ♪ 1517 01:43:51,648 --> 01:43:57,737 ♪ With my calamitous love And insurmountable grief ♪ 1518 01:43:58,655 --> 01:44:02,283 ♪ Take me to the Lakes Where all the poets went to die ♪ 1519 01:44:02,367 --> 01:44:03,952 ♪ I don't belong ♪ 1520 01:44:04,035 --> 01:44:06,663 ♪ My beloved, neither do you ♪ 1521 01:44:08,873 --> 01:44:13,003 ♪ Those Windermere peaks Look like a perfect place to cry ♪ 1522 01:44:13,086 --> 01:44:17,924 ♪ I'm setting off But not without my muse ♪ 1523 01:44:18,008 --> 01:44:20,719 ♪ No, not without you ♪ 1524 01:44:28,601 --> 01:44:34,524 ♪ No, not without you ♪ 1525 01:44:46,411 --> 01:44:47,620 That oughta do it. 1526 01:44:50,165 --> 01:44:51,666 [chuckles] 1527 01:44:51,750 --> 01:44:53,043 [Antonoff softly] Beautiful. 1528 01:44:53,543 --> 01:44:54,753 [Swift] Whiskey? 1529 01:44:54,836 --> 01:44:56,796 -[Dessner] This way to the whiskey. -[Swift laughs] 1530 01:45:11,436 --> 01:45:15,815 So the record was recorded here, my studio, and your house. 1531 01:45:15,899 --> 01:45:17,192 Yes. 1532 01:45:17,275 --> 01:45:18,943 Did you give it a name? 1533 01:45:19,027 --> 01:45:22,655 Yes. Think it's called Kitty Committee Studios on the album? 1534 01:45:22,739 --> 01:45:23,740 It works. 1535 01:45:23,823 --> 01:45:27,243 It does, 'cause I've got cats fighting in the background, on the bed. 1536 01:45:27,327 --> 01:45:28,995 [Antonoff] There was a big cat vibe, yeah. 1537 01:45:29,079 --> 01:45:30,622 And then the cats were the only people-- 1538 01:45:30,705 --> 01:45:32,916 -Laura kept getting cats. -[Swift] The cats were going in and out 1539 01:45:32,999 --> 01:45:34,542 because if I were to close the door on them, 1540 01:45:34,626 --> 01:45:35,877 -they'd meow. -[Antonoff] Yeah. 1541 01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:38,213 [Swift] So they need to be able to be free-range cats. 1542 01:45:38,296 --> 01:45:39,631 -[Antonoff] Yes. -Yeah, cage-free. 1543 01:45:41,049 --> 01:45:43,468 Guys. Stop it. Stop. Stop! 1544 01:45:45,261 --> 01:45:48,306 Benjamin always starts it, and Olivia always finishes it. 1545 01:45:48,390 --> 01:45:51,476 He's twice her size, but she's an amazing fighter. Look at her. 1546 01:45:51,559 --> 01:45:54,479 It's usually Benjamin and Olivia that have lots of-- 1547 01:45:54,562 --> 01:45:56,564 I call them the marshmallow wars. 1548 01:45:56,648 --> 01:45:59,484 No one's gonna get hurt, but there's a lot of-- 1549 01:45:59,567 --> 01:46:01,027 There's a lot of this. 1550 01:46:01,111 --> 01:46:02,112 It was bizarre. 1551 01:46:02,195 --> 01:46:03,488 It really was bizarre, 1552 01:46:03,571 --> 01:46:06,950 but it was, at the same time, my favorite recording experience. 1553 01:46:07,033 --> 01:46:10,620 Yeah. I mean, it's just a very cool way to have made an album. 1554 01:46:10,704 --> 01:46:12,163 Yeah, it really is. 1555 01:46:15,667 --> 01:46:18,086 [typing] 1556 01:46:18,169 --> 01:46:19,295 [ding] 133296