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The history of the arts is filled with
examples of those who expanded the means
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of expression. There have, however, been
other artists who were content to create
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within established means. In music, for
example, such composers would include Bach,
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Mozart, Mendelssohn and Brahms.
Samuel Barber is in this tradition.
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Barber's work is widely recognized and
accepted as having enriched the literature
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of virtually every facet of musical
expression. Each piece that he has created
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is characterized by deeply felt emotions
couched in the sophisticated terms of a
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master craftsman. If one were to choose a
single word best to describe his art, the
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choice would have to be "impeccable."
It's not my point to rate composers;
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I can't imagine 20th century American
music without Samuel Barber. I don't
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think you can talk about the heighth of
creative ability in this country without
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referencing Samuel Barber. To me, he's
just one of those orienting composers:
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if you're going to study American music,
you're going to study
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Samuel Barber and his music.
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"There is so much to music;
it is building up an influence which
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no one can measure. To me, all great music
is a protest, a revolution against all the
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artificiality which surrounds it. When
greatness bursts its fetters, then the
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world sees something; it may look like
a cataclysm, but it may be a destruction
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of hypocrisy which binds creativeness
and stifles the honest voice."
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Music is meant to convey emotion. It can
be happy, it can be sarcastic, it can be
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melancholy; I'm not sure that most
composers set out to convey those
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emotions when they put pen to paper.
I think what they're looking for is
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contrast. Barber's works that are slow and
have moments of serene calm and repose
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do so in a way that just touches the heart.
I loved the music of his that I knew.
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I've always associated Sam's music with
Plato. In my mind, I think he is a
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Platonic composer, in the sense that I
feel that all his music has been
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written in terms of what Plato called the
absolutes, with a faith in the concept
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that there is an absolute truth, and an
absolute beauty, and an absolute rightness
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of things. And it seems
to me that all Sam's
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music has tried to do
that; has tried to form
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one version or another of absolute beauty.
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Dover Beach is I think one of most
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profoundly moving poems I've ever read.
The other aspect, of course, is Barber's
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setting which would sound somewhat
musicological or clinical if you didn't
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realize how young he was and how
passionate he was about the poem himself.
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It belies what I would consider his
genius that he found such a profound
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essence to the poem in very simple
motives, so that you have this
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metaphor of the sea of time, and you have
this rocking, and unsettledness of water
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to this archaic language, referencing
archaic mentality, that is as contemporary
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as the day it was spoken way back when.
And then, starts again: we kind of come
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out of the metaphor of water, and
really are in the consciousness of life
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and love, and passion, respect; to that
great release, the highest note in the
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whole piece, of love; and the scale down
with the first violins, and then back
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into that drudgery and motion, as if we
never, ever as human beings quite get out
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of the useless habits of hatred that
we have. I believe like so many that
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Dover Beach is one of the most profound
statements in music that has come out
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of American creativity.
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Most people obviously think
of the Adagio for Strings
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when they think of Samuel Barber.
When I think of him,
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I think of Dover Beach. If you want to
know what melancholy in music sounds
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like, it's that. Because that very great
setting of Matthew Arnold's poem for
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baritone and string quartet is not just
a purely musical expression, but it's
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text-driven. And it is the great text
of the late Victorian period, in which
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Arnold sings, if you want to put it that
way, of the disintegration of faith, the
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disintegration of certainty, the
withdrawal like a tide of the belief
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that life has meaning and has order.
It's going away. And Barber, he didn't
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just set that poem for fun. I think quite
clearly it was a personal expression for
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him, so personal that he sang
it, that he made a record of it.
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And small wonder that it should be so
tremendously powerful of a piece: I think one
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of the greatest pieces of
vocal music of the 20th
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century, maybe it's the
best thing he ever wrote.
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I never met Samuel Barber.
I began my work in 1982 a year after he
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died, just one month shy of his 71st
birthday. I embarked on this because I was
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beginning a doctoral dissertation, and my
bottom line was: how come he wrote the
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music that he wrote, the kind of music
that he wrote? What was it that
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influenced him the most? Who and
what and how?
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The poet Robert Horan
observed that almost
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everywhere in Barber's
work is the sensitive and
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penetrating design of melancholy, and
perhaps no other work more aptly
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expresses this melancholy than Barber's
Dover Beach. One wonders what was going
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on in this young man's mind as he was
selecting the poem and writing about it.
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It was written at a time when he was
wrestling with self doubts. And what
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undoubtedly appealed to him both musically
and emotionally were lines, for example,
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"The sea of faith was once too at the full,
but now I only hear its melancholy, long
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withdrawing roar." And yet, the optimism of
"a world so various, so beautiful, so new."
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But then the pessimism of, "There is
neither joy, nor love, nor light, nor
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certitude, nor peace, nor help for pain."
So, I really believe for him this did
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represent a personal statement, and his
vulnerability as he stepped out of the
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protective cocoon of childhood into
the adult world. He was, after all, 21.
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I'm Christopher Rex; I'm principal
cellist of the Atlanta Symphony
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Orchestra. I've been there for over 31
years, and I studied with Orlando Cole
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at the Curtis Institute of Music for my
undergrad, and then graduate work in
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Juilliard with Leonard Rose before
getting into the Philadelphia Orchestra
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when Eugene Ormandy was there. Ormandy
was a fan of Barber, and so when I was
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in the Philadelphia
Orchestra we did many
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times work with Barber,
and he would come to
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the performances, and he
seemed like he was a,
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he had a businessman
aura around him, rather
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than some kind of an artiste, you know, and
a little bit of a melancholy businessman
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in a way; you know, he seemed
a little bit reserved.
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It's always interesting to put a
composer's output in conjunction with
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what he's going through in his life
at the time, and often it's just the
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opposite of what you think. When you're
young, you can feel an intensity and
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longing that's really
an imaginative one, and
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rather than anything
you've ever experienced.
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Even as little kids we really yearn
for certain things, and it should be
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that kind of yearning in a nineteen-year-old
that he was able to put it down
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into music. It's very powerful.
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Orlando Cole was a fellow student whom
Barber respected highly, and "Landy" as he
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was called, it was for him that he wrote
the Cello Sonata, and together they
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essentially shaped it: not the music, but
the technical aspects that Barber
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needed to know in order to make it work.
So he and Barber actually gave the
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first performance with Barber at the piano
at Curtis. Barber considered this a student
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work, and even in his later years he
wasn't terribly fond of the Cello Sonata
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for that reason. And he didn't really
find what I consider his own voice
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which combines the - and this is extremely
important in understanding his music - he
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was not a "conservative" in the sense of,
you know, pulling back: he was more of a
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conservator: that is, he used tradition
- he melded tradition - with
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20th century modernism insofar as it
still was tonal, it still allowed for
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melody and expressiveness. And that's
the key to his music, and why it
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will last forever and ever and ever, and
even contemporary composers today, of
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course - the young crop -
are writing tonal music.
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The sense of needing to talk about rhythm
and melody, singing - you see, that's
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where music started, really, right?
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I'm Jordan Kuspa, and I'm a composer.
The Barber Cello Concerto was the first
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piece of music that really got me
interested in 20th century music.
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I was already composing music by this
point; I think I was about 13 years old.
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But that was the first real
love affair that I had with any
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20th century music.
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I don't really know what it was about that
piece, but there's something that's just
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absolutely haunting and gorgeous;
particularly the second movement, and I
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never found the opportunity as a cellist to
play the Concerto, but there's something
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of that same quality in the Cello Sonata,
which is a piece that I had the
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opportunity to learn with Orlando Cole.
In 2002 when I was working with him,
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Orlando Cole was 95 years old, but boy was
he sharp as a tack, and had very, very
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precise ideas about how the
Sonata should be played.
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I think that nowadays it's less what
style of music, what language, what
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harmonic techniques you write, and
more the level of honesty that you're
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transmitting. It's a such a difficult
thing to put your finger on, but I think
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that people respond to a sort of
purity of an artistic statement.
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It's a great time to be a composer
because we have the freedom to do what
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we want. And in a way, the legacy
of Barber's music is that he was a
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composer who essentially said, I will do
what I want, and I think that that takes
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a certain kind of courage. Through his
entire body of work, there is nothing
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that feels out of place or forced, and in
that sense, while he may have been
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writing music that is identifiably
related to past modes of expression, in a
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way he was his own kind of a maverick,
in that he was perfectly willing to go
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it alone on this path.
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The barber First Symphony has a curious
history, because the premiere was in
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Italy, and you would have thought that
this young composer, this brash Barber,
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would have caught on.
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He seemed to convey a European sensibility
in his music, but by the time we'd
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gotten to the mid-1940s and into the '50s,
Europeans expected a different kind of
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writing from every composer: if you were
going to be American, you had to be more
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jazz; if you weren't that, you had to be
following the lines of the emigres
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who came to the United States, writing
like Stravinsky or Schoenberg;
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Barber was having none of that. "When
you were studying in Italy, Mr. Barber,
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was your music performed
there at all?"
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"Yes, as a matter of fact, my First
Symphony was premiered in Rome by the
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Augusteo Orchestra under Molinari."
"How did Italian audiences take to this
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new music by an American composer?"
"Well, Italian audiences are not used to
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hearing much new music, and they're not at
all shy about showing their feelings. After
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the performance, I went
out on stage a couple
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of times, and was
greeted by about fifty
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percent applause, and fifty percent
hissing. I remember standing in the wings
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wondering whether I was supposed to go out
again, and the old doorman said, nuh uh,
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better not: the hisses win."
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So Barber didn't fit the European mode - it
was a frustration for him. I'm very
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fortunate now because I do take
especially the First Symphony on the
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road quite often. It's a remarkable piece;
it's 20 minutes long:
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the structure is that of a four-movement
symphony, although Barber calls it
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"Symphony in One Movement." What Barber
does is to take basically two different
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thematic elements and juggle them over
the course of the four movements of the
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piece. So the actual material on which
it's based is very concise; the
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transformations he gives to the melodies
are remarkable, and it has a dramatic
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impact: it tells this story - in the
20 minutes, he condenses the entire canon
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symphonic history into a
remarkable piece of music.
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My main concern, because I'm not a musicologist -
I'm a writer, and I love literature -
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so what really interested me in Barber's
life was the novelistic quality of his life.
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It's drama; there is this incredible
succession of success for almost 30
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years. Most all of his works are
premiered by great musicians, orchestras,
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the critics find them wonderful; and then
you have the big failure of Antony and
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Cleopatra, and after that, those 15 years
where Barbara basically struggles to
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recover his confidence, to recover his
inspiration; and that was the thing that
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interested me most. And I was very moved
to see this old man trying to do what
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was supposed to do the best: that he
is writing music despite and still.
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I think from the very start - from his
very first big-scale symphonic work - he
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achieved to write the music he really
wanted to write; and I think it's also
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one of the reasons why you rarely find in
Barber's catalog several works of the
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same genre. You have one
Piano Concerto, one Cello
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Concerto, one Cello Sonata,
one String Quartet:
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It's because he thinks that all
he wanted to say through this
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particular measure: the
orchestra, the string
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quartet, the sonata: he achieved
to do what he wanted in one work.
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Barber was a masterful orchestrator. Some
composers just inherently understand the
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orchestra, and that is
their instrument. The way
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he combines instruments
for different colors -
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It was clear also that he loved the
oboe; I don't know if he had a close
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friend that was an oboe player, but
almost every major Barber work has a
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beautiful oboe solo. He understood the
singing quality of the oboe like no
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other composer did. But I think that
he is like, the only person I can
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think of today is John Corigliano who
has that same facility with the
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orchestra as an instrument. So it's a
great joy to conduct his music, because
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you don't have to tinker with it too
much; you know, it's not a matter of
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constantly trying to rebalance things
because the composer didn't really do
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his job properly:
it's just the opposite.
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I remember a particularly
happy day spent
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in the company of Sam Barber; it was a
very special day for all of us Americans,
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and that was the day of the great ships
that arrived in New York Harbor in 1976
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around the July 4th weekend. I don't know
if that rings any bell, but you might think
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back, and in newspapers around the world,
it showed this incredible sight of endless
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amounts of tall-masted schooners and
warships and things from the 19th
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century by the hundreds going up the
Hudson River - the mouth there, past
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the Statue of Liberty and the Twin Towers
and all of that. And I do remember everyone
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wanted to know what everyone else was
going to be doing for that day, I mean,
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how the hell are you going to celebrate it?
People were saying, oh, newspaper accounts:
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Some of the buildings will fall over
because they will be packed - everyone
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with an apartment on the river will have
hundreds of people in each apartment.
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So I remember distinctly that day, my
brother had set up for me - my brother
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Phillip is a member of the club at the
top of the World Trade Center - so Sam and
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I went down, we set on the 107th
floor overlooking the Statue of
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Liberty, looking over the ships, drinking
champagne.
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He said, this to me is like the America
of my childhood. We all felt so proud of
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Old Glory, you know, and
to hear Sam, who was
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so urbane, and to a New
Yorker's sense very
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European, you know, he was just like a kid
that day. I'll never forget it: we were
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just having a hell of a good time as a
bunch of Americans on our 200th birthday
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and none of us looked
any less for the wear.
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In 2001, I was the chief conductor of the
BBC Symphony in London. One of the jobs
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of the conductor is to do the Last Night
of the Proms at the Albert Hall. The
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concert was to take place on September 15,
and clearly four days before that the
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tragedy that was 9/11 struck; and I said
that we needed to play the Barber Adagio.
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The reason for that is that even though it
was not intended as a piece of memorial,
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since the time of Roosevelt it's served to
be exactly that. For the English it's the
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same with the Enigma Variations, the
beautiful Nimrod variations is their way of
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mourning. Other people
use the slow movement
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from either the Eroica
or Beethoven's Seventh.
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Some use the Adagietto
from Mahler Five. Here
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in the States, when there
is some sort of loss,
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the Barber Adagio serves that purpose.
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Music has that way of somehow unifying
people in tragic times. It's sad that the
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Barber Adagio has fallen into this
category, because in some ways it's a
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mournful work, but it's also simply a
passionate work of feeling, one of the
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most expressive pieces in
the entire musical canon.
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I try to divorce myself from the
extra-musical meaning that some people have
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associated; but on that night, on
September 15, 2001, there was no getting
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around it. And when the performance is
over, I'm shattered: I came off the stage
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and I collapsed in the
dressing room. I still
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had to go out and conduct
a little more, but it
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had truly gotten to me in a way that no
other piece of music ever had.
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My name is John Corigliano, and I'm a composer,
and was a good friend of Sam Barber.
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On September 11, my friend Bill Hoffmann
called who lives down on Prince Street,
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and whose windows overlook the
World Trade Center; and of course, stayed
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by the television as every other human
being did practically all day. And when I
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did go out, after the
buildings all collapsed,
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I walked to Broadway and I saw lines and
lines of people walking uptown to their
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homes, because there was no subway
service, and none of them were talking.
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Not a word. Just complete silence. Just
the kind of silence you get when you're
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really faced with something that's not
on a TV or movie screen: the real thing.
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It was quite a scene to see hundreds and
hundreds of people walking to their
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homes without anything
they could say to each
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other, because there was
nothing to be said.
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I don't know if music helps; that depends
on the person. If the person can be
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soothed by music and get out of the
state they're in,
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that's wonderful. I don't think music
would help me in a situation like this.
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I didn't listen to music to get myself
to feel better. I just sat in my house
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here, and wondered what
was going to happen next.
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My name is Thomas Larson, and I'm
the author of "The Saddest Music Ever
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Written: The Story of Samuel Barber's
Adagio for Strings." Barber's true love was
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an Italian man named Gian-Carlo Menotti,
who would later go on to be a famous
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opera composer. The pair met when they were
teenagers in the late 1920s at the Curtis
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Institute of Music where they were both
students in Philadelphia. There's a
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famous photograph of Menotti and Barber
taken that summer, 1936, in which someone
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captured the two of them in this sort of
romantic pose: they're standing
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side-by-side, and they both have this
absolutely divine grin on their
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faces. I don't know what they were looking
at, but there's this photograph which
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captures this sense of elan in their lives.
So in the summer of 1936,
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Barber and Menotti found
themselves in this small town,
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St. Wolfgang in Austria. They rented a
chalet, overlooking a lake, and that summer
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Barber decided to write a string quartet.
He knew he'd done something monumental,
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because September 19, 1936,
he sent a letter to a friend
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of his, Orlando Cole, a cellist in the
Curtis String Quartet, saying that he had
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finished the slow movement of his string
quartet. And he used the boxing metaphor
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common at the time: he called it a
"knockout" - and there is a quality about
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the piece that sort of knocks you into
an altered state of consciousness, which
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I think of as deep grief, because the
music has a way of pulling you down into
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that, holding you, and
then sort of releasing
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you from it, that you've done your penance.
This is an old, old element of music:
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That music through repetition,
through a kind of minimalist
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focus on a particular emotion, has been
sort of absent from Western music for a
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few centuries. One of the legacies of
Barber's Adagio is that it sort of brought
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back this idea: keeping the
listener there, you're sort of,
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your hands nailed to the cross, as it
were, in this piece - is a good thing.
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Certainly since the 1970s, composers
like John Adams, Philip Glass,
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like Henryk Górecki the Polish
composer, or Arvo Pärt the Estonian
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composer, have all worked with minimal
materials to maximize emotion. And this
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is in part a legacy of Barber's ability to
put the melancholia of his own personality
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so deeply and so fixedly into
a single piece of music.
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I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be
at half notes. I'm gonna
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be at half notes. And,
um, I'm taking on the
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slightly, maybe faster side of the Adagio;
but I'm thinking, you know, like 80 to the
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quarter note; 76, 80, something like that,
but I'm definitely beating half notes.
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I think when we look at pieces of music
that reflect national mourning, you have to
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ask yourself one question: if not the
Adagio, what piece? I think from what
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I know, talking to people who were very
close to him, he was bothered that this one
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piece had caused so much attention to
the detriment of some of the other works.
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But in his lifetime, he was a successful
composer. You can only count on your
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one, maybe half another hand, the
Americans who in their lifetimes
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as composers achieved that degree of
notoriety. And Barber must have felt that.
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It's better to be remembered for
one piece than none at all.
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Our culture does a lot of things well.
But one thing we don't do is to grieve
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national losses in the kind of depth and
with sustained respect that we do when
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this music is played. Our monuments to
sorrow in our culture are few. Barber's
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Adagio is one of them, but there aren't
enough. That piece of music is often an
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opportunity to remind us that we can
grieve as a culture, that we should
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grieve. That things like the Iraq War, the
Afghanistan War, the Korean War, the
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Vietnam War: all of these things have
wounded our nation very deeply. And I
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don't think we've ever spent enough time
grieving the losses that these wars and
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their unresolved natures
have brought upon us.
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It's really well felt.
It's believable, you
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see; it's not phony,
he's not just making it
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up because he thinks that would sound
well. It seems to come straight from the
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heart, to use old-fashioned terms!
The sense of continuity, the sense of
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steadiness of the flow; the satisfaction
of the arch that it creates
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from beginning to end makes you believe the
sincerity which he obviously put into it.
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Well, since I know the Adagio for Strings
quite well from the inside, I would propose
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to guess at the subject
matter: I think it's a love
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scene. I think it's a detailed
love scene. Bed scene!
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So, you make an Agnus Dei
out of it, it'll work!
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But there's an awful
lot of rubbing around!
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I never asked Sam, why should I?
I could have. But I
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don't like to tell people
what their music is about.
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My name is Jenny Oaks Baker, and I
am a concert violinist and a mother.
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I recently performed the Barber Violin
Concerto with Alexandria Symphony and
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other orchestras throughout the country.
I've always felt a real affinity to
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Barber because he attended the same
music school that I went to. We were
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both very young when we went to the
Curtis Institute of Music, and Curtis
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is a really special place - and I can see
why Barber is such an amazing composer
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because he did have the Curtis
experience to draw from.
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The Curtis Institute of
Music is in Philadelphia.
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It's probably the most prestigious music
school in the world. If you're able to
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get into Curtis, your entire tuition
is paid for, so it's very exclusive
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and it's a real privilege to be able to
go there. When I went to Curtis and I
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found out Barber had gone to Curtis,
I immediately just had this desire to
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play the Concerto, and then I heard
it and just fell in love with it.
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Curtis is pretty remarkable: they took
an old mansion - Mary Louise Curtis
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Bok, her father owned the Curtis Publishing
Company, and that had the Saturday
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Evening Post, and I believe, Ladies Home
Journal, and she took this fortune in the
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beginning part of the 20th century,
and she donated all this money to an
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endowment and started a music school
for gifted young musicians. And she
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purchased this beautiful mansion in the
center of Philadelphia, right around
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a square called Rittenhouse Square that's
just as picturesque a square as you
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can imagine, with park benches and a
fountain and beautiful trees, and
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it's just a really happy
little square in Philadelphia.
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They converted all the bedrooms into
practice spaces and teaching studios and
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classrooms, and it's just - you walk in
there, and you feel like you're in the
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middle of history, and the wood is dark
and the fabrics are lush, and it's very -
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it's a very welcoming, warm wonderful
place, and just walking in there you feel
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like an artist. But my first year was a
pretty new experience, because I was just
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living alone by myself in Philadelphia;
I would get there as soon as I
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could in the morning, Monday through
Saturday, and leave when they closed down:
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the security guard came through the
practice rooms and locked them all up at
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eleven; he would kick me
out every single night.
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I'm Kim Allen Kluge, music
director of the Alexandria
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Symphony Orchestra in Washington, D.C.;
I am also a composer. I think the fact that
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Samuel Barber started his Violin
Concerto with the solo violin is
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extremely telling. Why? Because the violin
amongst we poor instrumentalists, you
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know, who don't get to use our voice, probably
comes closest to the sound and to the
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expressivity of the human voice - which
goes to, kind of the heart of a really
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powerful Barber trait. To start that
concerto with the violin, it's almost
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celebrating the vocality of the violin.
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That slow movement: I know
a lot of commentators make
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references to Johannes Brahms; when I
listen to that second movement, when I
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perform it, I do really feel the spiritual
and musical kinship to Brahms
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who, like Barber, perhaps was somewhat
underappreciated. One of the reasons is
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that their emotions, especially when I
think of that second movement, there's so
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much gravitas: maybe for some people
that's too much, it's too much
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compression of feeling and emotion! But
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oh, when you're open to it,
there's nothing like it.
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Barber was commissioned to write what
he thought was a concertino, actually
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he called it that, for Iso Briselli who was
a fellow classmate, and Barber worked on
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the concerto during the summer
of 1939, but in August, all
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Americans were forced to leave Europe
because of the impending invasion of
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Poland by the Nazis. He hoped he
could finish the work in France, in
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Paris, but of course in September 1939
you don't want to be in France, because
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the Germans are coming. And he had to
leave France in a hurry; but we could say
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that the first two movements of the Violin
Concerto have a European flavor, and
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yeah, you could hear something like
turmoil of these times in Barber's
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music. And even if Barber deeply disliked
any programmatic connections with his
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music, of course the finale of the
concerto has something extremely
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dramatic, and you can't help to think
of the war beginning in Europe.
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He brought the two movements of the
concerto back, and he showed them to
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Briselli in October. He had been working
in seclusion, and dealing with his
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father's illness at the same time. So in
October when he brought them to Briselli,
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Briselli liked them very much, but he
wanted a third movement and he wanted more
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virtuosity in the third movement that
would display his ability. So Barber set
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out to write it. What Barber
didn't know was that the
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first performance was scheduled with
Eugene Ormandy and the Philadelphia
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Orchestra for January. And so, by the time
he gave Briselli the last movement of it,
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Briselli was able to play it, but he didn't
have time to bring it "up to snuff,"
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as it were, before that performance. So
the two of them agreed that they would
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cancel the commission, and somebody else
would give the first performance. There's
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a lot of mythology that has been created
about this third movement; there are
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program notes written even today that
propagate the fallacy that Briselli was
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not able to play it, that Barber wanted
to create a movement that he couldn't
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play: none of this is true, and the reason
I can say that it's not true, is because the
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documentary evidence - letters, interviews -
that I've conducted prove otherwise.
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When Barber was touring Europe with his
friend Chuck Turner, the violinist, it was
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at the beginning of the 50s, I guess.
There were these rehearsals in Paris
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before performing the concerto in
Germany, and Barber was looking for a
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pianist to accompany Turner. And there was
this young composer who needed money:
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and, what about hiring him for the
rehearsal? So Barber agreed, and it was
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Pierre Boulez, which is kind of...really
funny, and surrealistic at the same time.
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And Boulez did the work, and played the
piano, and...I would pay big money to have a
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recording of his sessions! But the
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funny thing of the story
is that during the breaks,
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Boulez, being Boulez, had this little book
note where he wrote for Barber all kinds
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of advice on the writing of serial music.
So somewhere, there is a book note
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by Boulez with advice to Samuel Barber
on how to write music a la Schoenberg.
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In 1945 Koussevitsky commissioned a work
to be performed by Raya Garbousova,
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a rather prominent cellist, but because
he was concerned about the way the
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composition would go, he did something
which became a pattern with him for the
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rest of his life. He invited Garbousova
to come up to Capricorn and play through
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her entire repertoire, essentially,
so that he could understand what her
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talents and predilections were utilizing
the whole range of the instrument. And
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she was particularly, as she said:
everybody thought that the way to break
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somebody's heart was to vibrate on the
low registers of the cello. But she had
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the gift of being able to play in the
upper registers with ease, and so that's
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why the Cello Concerto has so many
difficult passages. It's considered by
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virtually every famous cellist to be
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one of the most difficult
pieces in the literature.
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The concerto was well received,
and at one point Barber studied
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conducting in the effort of recording
some of his works, with UK Decca. The
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cellist was Zara Nelsova, and there's a
funny story that goes along with this.
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00:52:51,473 --> 00:52:58,013
Nelsova comes in for one of the rehearsals
and she starts to play, and the first
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00:52:58,013 --> 00:53:06,983
cello was so just distraught about how
nobody could measure up to her, that he
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00:53:06,983 --> 00:53:10,313
took his cello and
he bashed it, and it
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00:53:10,313 --> 00:53:13,733
broke into smithereens, and
everybody was horrified.
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00:53:13,733 --> 00:53:18,083
Well it turns out it was a practical
joke: he had bought a really cheap cello
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and that was just sort of to add
some humor to the whole experience.
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I remember reading actually in Barbara
Heyman's book about the review of the Barber
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Cello Concerto, which essentially said:
in the coda of the second movement, an
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American composer dares to express himself.
The idea that it was such an
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00:53:42,862 --> 00:53:48,383
important thing for an American to be
able to write music that was so clearly
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00:53:48,383 --> 00:53:53,595
from the heart, is what
really makes that special.
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00:53:59,783 --> 00:54:06,153
I think Barber is one of the great
composers of melancholic music. You know,
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00:54:06,153 --> 00:54:10,473
examples: all three of the slow movements
of his concerti. The piece that really
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got me to love Barber and to love
really all of 20th century music,
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00:54:15,213 --> 00:54:18,573
the piece that opened up that world to
me, was the slow movement of the Cello
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Concerto. In absolute, sort of blissful
agony of melancholy: I mean there's this
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00:54:26,433 --> 00:54:31,383
opening melody that eventually is
transformed from the low register of the
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00:54:31,383 --> 00:54:38,553
cello, deeply inward and singing, to this
extremely high climactic moment that is
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00:54:38,553 --> 00:54:43,803
absolutely sublime. It's very quiet, and
it's sort of reaching to the heavens, and
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00:54:43,803 --> 00:54:50,283
at the same time it's a very inward
gesture. It's a spectacular feat, and it's
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00:54:50,283 --> 00:54:54,423
something that happens in his music
often, and I think that very few
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00:54:54,423 --> 00:54:59,782
composers have done
melancholy as well as Barber.
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Well, I had the great privilege of
conducting the Philadelphia premiere of
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Barber's Cello Concerto at the Curtis
Institute, and I was really blown
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away that it had never been performed in
Philadelphia before. It's an incredible
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piece, but it's also a very modernistic
piece, and I'm not sure why it hadn't
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00:55:45,133 --> 00:55:48,463
been performed by the Philadelphia
Orchestra, but it's an incredible
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piece. But it is also not an
easy-access piece like his Adagio.
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By all accounts I think Sam Barber was a,
he was a reserved person: he didn't wear
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his heart on his sleeve, so to speak.
Yet in his music I think we can all sense
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this intense emotional connection.
I think yet at the same time he's always
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aware of the classical form and keeping
things in check, and in many, many ways
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00:56:26,133 --> 00:56:31,533
I think because of that his music has
greater emotional payoff, because he's
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00:56:31,533 --> 00:56:38,553
all about pacing, he's all about arrival,
architecture - you know, he's a composer
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00:56:38,553 --> 00:56:47,463
who uses a small amount of material to
develop very, very fully and arrive at a
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00:56:47,463 --> 00:56:52,833
high point in this pieces. Yet at the
same time, there's a romantic element
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00:56:52,833 --> 00:56:57,713
that I absolutely adore. The music
for the ballet Medea underwent
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many changes from its initial version as
Cave of the Heart. Barber worked closely
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with Graham who gave him essentially,
I won't call it a "libretto," but the
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storyline that she wanted to emphasize.
And his score got rave reviews, in spite
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00:57:16,973 --> 00:57:20,573
of the fact that the choreography wasn't
really fully developed when they gave
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00:57:20,573 --> 00:57:26,393
the first performance. And then later,
he decided to revise it as an orchestral
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00:57:26,393 --> 00:57:32,243
suite, and then many years later, maybe a
decade later, he revised it into a one-
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movement work which I call a tone poem,
the work that we know today, and it's
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00:57:36,443 --> 00:57:41,033
called Medea's Meditation and Dance of
Vengeance. And that work, when it was
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00:57:41,033 --> 00:57:46,853
performed by the Philadelphia Orchestra,
Barber measured its success by
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00:57:46,853 --> 00:57:51,743
how many little white-haired old ladies
walked out of the performance in the
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middle of it, because it was so radical
for him! And the thing that is so really
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00:57:56,963 --> 00:58:03,293
important about that music is that it
shows him developing a step into the
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00:58:03,293 --> 00:58:08,663
20th century in a way that he hadn't
quite done before. There's a lot more
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00:58:08,663 --> 00:58:15,413
dissonance which is used, again, for the
sake of expressiveness. Barber never used
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00:58:15,413 --> 00:58:17,676
dissonance for its own sake.
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00:58:42,083 --> 00:58:47,333
You know, I guess I'm of the belief
that all music is program music, all
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music is narrative. The short,
15-minute Medea's Dance of
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Vengeance is really a perfect little
piece: it's all about the narrative, of
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00:58:58,733 --> 00:59:04,793
course, because the story of Medea is so
vibrant and violent and brutal. It's very
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00:59:04,793 --> 00:59:10,973
ominous, it's very unrelenting, and this
is Medea's true nature coming out. So she
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00:59:10,973 --> 00:59:17,243
sets about to kill the woman that Jason
has fallen in love with by sending her a
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00:59:17,243 --> 00:59:20,633
beautiful dress, but it's poisoned:
if she puts it on, it will kill her
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00:59:20,633 --> 00:59:25,223
which indeed happens, and it gets even
crazier and crazier because then Medea
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00:59:25,223 --> 00:59:30,173
decides that it's not enough to kill her.
She also is going to kill the children
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00:59:30,173 --> 00:59:36,863
that she's had with Jason. So it's an
extremely emotional, over-the-top, violent
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00:59:36,863 --> 00:59:38,996
unrelenting piece.
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"Tell us a little bit about how you happened
to write Knoxville: Summer of 1915.
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01:01:16,103 --> 01:01:18,863
I see the text is by James Agee. How did
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01:01:18,863 --> 01:01:22,643
you happen to select it for a musical
setting?" / "I had always admired Mr. Agee's
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01:01:22,643 --> 01:01:27,593
writing, and this prose poem particularly
struck me because the summer evening he
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01:01:27,593 --> 01:01:31,493
describes in his native southern town
reminded me so much of similar evenings
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01:01:31,493 --> 01:01:35,543
when I was a child at home." / "But you're not
from Knoxville, are you?" / "No, I lived in
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01:01:35,543 --> 01:01:40,223
West Chester, Pennsylvania. But I found out
after setting this, Mr. Agee and I are
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01:01:40,223 --> 01:01:44,743
the same age, and the year he described
was 1915 when we were both 5."
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01:01:44,743 --> 01:01:51,323
"I see there's a motto on the score.
Let's see, let me read it:
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01:01:51,323 --> 01:01:57,953
We are talking now of summer evenings in
Knoxville, Tennessee, and the time that I
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01:01:57,953 --> 01:02:02,903
lived there so successfully
disguised to myself as a child."
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01:02:02,903 --> 01:02:07,133
"Yes, it seemed to set the mood for the
piece. You see, it expresses a child's
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01:02:07,133 --> 01:02:13,043
feeling of loneliness, wonder, and lack of
identity in that marginal world between
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01:02:13,043 --> 01:02:18,203
twilight and sleep." / "Yes, the very opening
lines suggest that mood, don't they? Read
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01:02:18,203 --> 01:02:24,233
these first few lines here, won't you?" /
"It has become that time of evening when
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01:02:24,233 --> 01:02:31,125
people sit on their porches,
rocking gently and talking gently..."
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01:03:22,713 --> 01:03:30,213
Samuel Barber was born on March 9, 1910
in West Chester, Pennsylvania, a little
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01:03:30,213 --> 01:03:36,483
town about 30 miles from Philadelphia.
His father was a physician and his
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01:03:36,483 --> 01:03:41,493
mother an amateur pianist. His mother's
name was Marguerite, but she was nicknamed
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01:03:41,493 --> 01:03:48,273
Daisy, which is significant in terms of one
of his earliest songs. His sister Sarah
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01:03:48,273 --> 01:03:53,043
who was younger than he: for Sarah
he wrote some of his earliest
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01:03:53,043 --> 01:03:58,323
songs, and he adored her from the very
beginning; he was very close to her.
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01:03:58,323 --> 01:04:05,103
West Chester was a predominantly Quaker
town, conservative by nature, and
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01:04:05,103 --> 01:04:10,833
Barber attended the public schools
there, and he was distinguished by his
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01:04:10,833 --> 01:04:16,473
classmates: they knew that he was
destined for some greatness, that he was
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01:04:16,473 --> 01:04:25,503
talented in music in particular. And from
the time he was eight, he knew he wanted
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01:04:25,503 --> 01:04:30,033
to be a composer - maybe even younger - but
he declared his intentions in a letter
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01:04:30,033 --> 01:04:34,713
that he wrote to his mother that began
something like this: "Dear mother, for some
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01:04:34,713 --> 01:04:41,883
time I wanted to tell you my worrying
secret. I intend to be a composer, and I
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01:04:41,883 --> 01:04:48,423
will be, I am sure, so please, I beg
you, please do not make me go and play
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01:04:48,423 --> 01:04:51,963
football!" And then he signs, love - and he
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01:04:51,963 --> 01:04:56,133
underlines love so that there's no confusion,
that he's not being critical of his
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01:04:56,133 --> 01:04:58,784
mother: Sam.
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01:05:02,645 --> 01:05:09,303
I'm Margaret Chalfant. I've lived in West
Chester for the last 75 years. I was
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01:05:09,303 --> 01:05:14,913
next door to the Barber residence on
Church Street. My house was built about
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01:05:14,913 --> 01:05:23,852
1840. West Chester was a beautiful little
college town. It was very friendly, very
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01:05:23,852 --> 01:05:29,492
open, very trusting. We never
locked our doors. We had a
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01:05:29,492 --> 01:05:34,112
little trolley we called the dinkey that
went from the north end of town to the
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01:05:34,112 --> 01:05:38,372
college in the south end of town. You
could get on it anywhere, even in the
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01:05:38,372 --> 01:05:42,453
middle of the square. If you just signalled
to the conductor, I think he knew almost
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01:05:42,453 --> 01:05:48,903
everyone by name. When you walked uptown
you knew almost everybody. And so the
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01:05:48,903 --> 01:05:53,943
town meant something to you, and if
part of the town had something that
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01:05:53,943 --> 01:06:00,003
happened to it that needed support,
the rest of us were there to help.
533
01:06:00,003 --> 01:06:06,153
Daisy Barber had the most beautiful
backyard. She had gorgeous roses.
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01:06:06,153 --> 01:06:10,323
Everything was well-groomed
and well taken care of.
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01:06:10,323 --> 01:06:19,113
She was very, very proud of Sam. And I
think her sister Madame Louise Homer, and
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01:06:19,113 --> 01:06:26,883
probably her husband, had a lot to do
with developing Sam's music. My first
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01:06:26,883 --> 01:06:32,853
introduction to Madame Louise Homer
was, I was working in the office
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01:06:32,853 --> 01:06:38,703
and I heard this gorgeous voice, and I
couldn't figure where it was coming from,
539
01:06:38,703 --> 01:06:44,043
and I realized that it was coming in the
window right over a window of the Barber
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01:06:44,043 --> 01:06:47,583
house. So it was Madame
Louise Homer singing;
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01:06:47,583 --> 01:06:52,403
that whole family was singing.
She had a beautiful voice.
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01:06:52,403 --> 01:07:00,863
Aiding and abetting Barber's intentions
to be a composer, his ambitions, were his
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01:07:00,863 --> 01:07:04,163
maternal aunt, his
mother's sister Louise
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01:07:04,163 --> 01:07:08,033
Homer: that is, Louise Beatty
who was married to
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01:07:08,033 --> 01:07:13,013
Sidney Homer, a composer, at the turn of
the century, and Louise Homer was one of
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01:07:13,013 --> 01:07:17,873
the most famous opera singers. She sang
with the Met for many years. But Sidney
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01:07:17,873 --> 01:07:24,623
Homer wrote his wisdom for more
than 25 years, encouraged him.
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01:07:24,623 --> 01:07:32,123
It shaped his aesthetic development, and
yet he would not accept complaining.
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01:07:32,123 --> 01:07:37,103
You know, if Barber was disappointed about
something, he would try to buoy his
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01:07:37,103 --> 01:07:42,293
spirits and encourage him. Here's
a quote, for example, from one of
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01:07:42,293 --> 01:07:48,653
Sidney Homer's letters: "The beautiful
thing about art is that quality never
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01:07:48,653 --> 01:07:54,443
fades out. If it is there, it is there to
stay, and that is what makes the effort,
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01:07:54,443 --> 01:08:00,683
the patience, persistence, infinite
care and scrupulous conscientiousness
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01:08:00,683 --> 01:08:06,893
worthwhile. The intense desire to tell
the truth and to create something which
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01:08:06,893 --> 01:08:11,753
would be an inspiration and incentive
to others is what has led to the
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01:08:11,753 --> 01:08:17,813
heartbreaking, almost appalling labor on
the part of those who honestly felt that
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01:08:17,813 --> 01:08:23,333
they had something to say. Everyone who
joins the society in this place pledges
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01:08:23,333 --> 01:08:30,413
himself to just one thing: sincerity.
He tries to put into form his real feelings,
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01:08:30,413 --> 01:08:36,983
not feelings he wishes he had. Pretense
has no place here." And the one thing
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01:08:36,983 --> 01:08:42,683
Homer kept saying to Barber was, look to
your inner self. Sincerity is the most
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01:08:42,683 --> 01:08:48,803
important word; he uses it over and over
again in his letters. And for Barber, even
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01:08:48,803 --> 01:08:54,083
from his earliest works, the very first
piano piece that we have which is called
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01:08:54,083 --> 01:09:00,113
Sadness, and another one which is a very
militaristic war song, he made an effort
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01:09:00,113 --> 01:09:05,963
to put emotions into music, unlike
Stravinsky who believed that it was
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01:09:05,963 --> 01:09:11,693
impossible to put emotions into music.
Barber on the other hand sought to
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01:09:11,693 --> 01:09:16,000
express emotions, and he did.
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01:09:53,863 --> 01:10:01,303
Knoxville is like I would sing my own
folklore as I do in central Europe or
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01:10:01,303 --> 01:10:07,273
London or Paris. I would think that Knoxville
would affect people that way: It is
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01:10:07,273 --> 01:10:13,303
an American product of the sort of flavor,
the wonder of my country actually,
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01:10:13,303 --> 01:10:18,763
presented so they could understand it too.
It's like a painting, and I think he
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01:10:18,763 --> 01:10:24,223
said it perfectly. You can hear the
streetcar, you can smell the strawberries,
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01:10:24,223 --> 01:10:29,773
you can...you can feel the sigh of what it
is: as always, we southerners would lie on
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01:10:29,773 --> 01:10:31,873
quilts on the grass
at night, to hear all
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01:10:31,873 --> 01:10:36,823
those strange noises of summer.
It's fabulous.
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01:10:36,823 --> 01:10:46,693
He always mourned his youth and his youthful
loves, and he had this strange sort
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01:10:46,693 --> 01:10:52,753
of desire for some real romantic idea
in a certain way. He had this great
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01:10:52,753 --> 01:10:56,953
sehnsucht for his childhood in West
Chester, and he had a great love for
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01:10:56,953 --> 01:11:03,403
all the countryside around his home in
Pennsylvania. The text itself has imagery
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01:11:03,403 --> 01:11:08,473
that is very familiar to an awful lot of
Americans that is going back to a slightly
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01:11:08,473 --> 01:11:12,403
more innocent America, and days of
rocking chairs on front porches, the
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01:11:12,403 --> 01:11:17,623
trolley screaming on its rails. And
I think these are images that evoke
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01:11:17,623 --> 01:11:23,353
very positive memories, and Barber
catches that feeling of recollection
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01:11:23,353 --> 01:11:29,546
through a kind of gauzy
cloud of sweet memory.
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"Then the score draws to a quiet close,
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01:11:36,803 --> 01:11:40,223
and the text is: 'After
a little, I am taken in
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01:11:40,223 --> 01:11:47,063
and put to bed. Sleep, soft smiling, draws
me unto her, and those receive me who
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01:11:47,063 --> 01:11:53,003
quietly treat me as one familiar and
well-beloved in that home. But will not,
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01:11:53,003 --> 01:12:03,901
oh will not, not now, not ever, but
will not ever tell me who I am.'"
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01:12:12,893 --> 01:12:19,253
My name is Jean-Pierre Marty, and I have
happened to have a, I would say, "career" in
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01:12:19,253 --> 01:12:25,403
the traditional sense of the word, as a
pianist and as a conductor. I was to be
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01:12:25,403 --> 01:12:31,853
one of the great hopes of French
piano, and then I happened to develop
592
01:12:31,853 --> 01:12:37,403
problems with my muscular side, and
physiological, which somehow ruled out
593
01:12:37,403 --> 01:12:43,943
the idea of the career as such. But when
I was active as a pianist, I happened
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01:12:43,943 --> 01:12:48,713
to fall a little by chance on the
sonata of Samuel Barber through the
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01:12:48,713 --> 01:12:52,853
good offices, could I say, of my teacher
Julius Katchen. I said: You are an
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01:12:52,853 --> 01:12:54,593
American, do you know the
American composer Samuel
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01:12:54,593 --> 01:12:59,333
Barber - whom of course he loved - but
that was in the late '40s, you know.
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01:12:59,333 --> 01:13:05,423
And then years later, I saw on the
piano of Julius that very score
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01:13:05,423 --> 01:13:11,693
which was, you know, lying around with
other things, and I said, ah, what's that?
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01:13:11,693 --> 01:13:16,253
And I said, are we going to play it?
And he said, I don't know,
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01:13:16,253 --> 01:13:21,863
it's very, very difficult - you know,
it was written for Horowitz. And as a
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01:13:21,863 --> 01:13:27,593
young man, I said, well, can I try to play
- I mean, you know, can I work on it?
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01:13:27,593 --> 01:13:32,393
I mean, he said, be my guest - you
know, you will see what it is. It is
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01:13:32,393 --> 01:13:37,433
something! So I took it as a challenge,
which you like to do when you are
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01:13:37,433 --> 01:13:42,893
16 or 17, I must have been at that time.
And I said, ah, I'm going
606
01:13:42,893 --> 01:13:46,603
to show him that I can play this -
you know, it's not only for Horowitz!
607
01:13:46,603 --> 01:13:51,073
Barber clearly wrote the Sonata with
Horowitz in mind. Horowitz was a
608
01:13:51,073 --> 01:13:59,293
frequent visitor to Capricorn, and he wrote
the first three movements very quickly.
609
01:13:59,293 --> 01:14:04,363
I mean, he just knew: because Barber as
a pianist himself, he knew the piano
610
01:14:04,363 --> 01:14:09,853
inside and out, so he could write for it.
But he had a lot of problems with the
611
01:14:09,853 --> 01:14:13,933
last movement. In general, Barber
had problems with last movements.
612
01:14:13,933 --> 01:14:19,783
He certainly had the least problems
with slow movements, because he could
613
01:14:19,783 --> 01:14:25,048
indulge in the lyricism that
was part of his inner life.
614
01:14:43,952 --> 01:14:49,473
The thing about the Sonata was, it had a
stunning impact on the musical world.
615
01:14:49,473 --> 01:14:54,783
Everybody was waiting for the great
American sonata. Whereas Horowitz gave the
616
01:14:54,783 --> 01:14:59,793
first performance, and had the rights to
it for a certain length of time, then
617
01:14:59,793 --> 01:15:04,983
everybody performed it...including
my piano teacher, who studied it and
618
01:15:04,983 --> 01:15:08,612
that's when he had a heart attack. He didn't
die, but he had a heart attack! And I'm
619
01:15:08,612 --> 01:15:10,412
convinced it was the
Barber Sonata that
620
01:15:10,412 --> 01:15:14,763
did it, you know. At any
rate...that was Frank
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01:15:14,763 --> 01:15:19,082
Sheridan, by the way. "One thing I've always
wondered, have you ever played your own
622
01:15:19,082 --> 01:15:28,473
Piano Sonata." / "My Sonata?" / "Yes." /
"No no no. I can't. I played it for Horowitz
623
01:15:28,473 --> 01:15:33,152
the first time, I played three movements and
then I fell on the floor." / "But the Fugue
624
01:15:33,152 --> 01:15:36,003
is a tremendously difficult
movement, isn't it?"
625
01:15:36,003 --> 01:15:39,273
"I had to wait for that Fugue
quite a while. And Mrs.
626
01:15:39,273 --> 01:15:44,912
Horowitz called me up and said, why don't
you get finished with that last movement?
627
01:15:44,912 --> 01:15:47,132
She said, you know what kind of a
composer you are, you know what's the
628
01:15:47,132 --> 01:15:52,922
matter with you? And she said in Italian,
"tu sei stitico," which translates: you are
629
01:15:52,922 --> 01:16:01,922
constipated. And this annoyed me very much.
And then I went into my
630
01:16:01,922 --> 01:16:07,753
studio and composed that Fugue, which
has given plenty of pianists trouble.
631
01:16:07,753 --> 01:16:10,396
That was my revenge."
632
01:18:04,023 --> 01:18:10,623
I feel that people have to recognize
that he has left not only to
633
01:18:10,623 --> 01:18:16,053
American music but to music of this
century some works that I think are
634
01:18:16,053 --> 01:18:20,853
here to stay. One of them, for example, the
Piano Sonata. I think it is a great work,
635
01:18:20,853 --> 01:18:25,203
and I don't know of a single piano
sonata in the whole of the modern
636
01:18:25,203 --> 01:18:31,563
repertory that has the strength and
the power of his Piano Sonata. Take a
637
01:18:31,563 --> 01:18:37,623
look at Samuel Barber's life. For much
of it, he is an immensely popular and
638
01:18:37,623 --> 01:18:40,533
successful composer.
But he is never,
639
01:18:40,533 --> 01:18:46,353
never fashionable. There
was always this sense of
640
01:18:46,353 --> 01:18:51,213
reservation, even among people like Aaron
Copland and to a lesser degree Virgil
641
01:18:51,213 --> 01:18:55,713
Thompson who did praise him, but they
felt that in some way he was out of
642
01:18:55,713 --> 01:19:01,233
touch with the moment, with contemporary
values, with the ethos of the time that
643
01:19:01,233 --> 01:19:04,863
he was working in. Now, that didn't matter
a damn to Barber, obviously: he wrote the
644
01:19:04,863 --> 01:19:12,333
music that he wanted to write. But nobody
can be looked upon in this way for long
645
01:19:12,333 --> 01:19:15,423
without starting to feel
it, and he felt it.
646
01:19:15,423 --> 01:19:21,303
He felt it enough that I think it actually
nudged him in the same way that Stravinsky
647
01:19:21,303 --> 01:19:26,943
was nudged after the war into
writing music of greater harmonic
648
01:19:26,943 --> 01:19:32,553
complexity, pieces like the Piano
Sonata which is in the largest sense a
649
01:19:32,553 --> 01:19:36,333
fundamentally traditional statement. But
that's a tough piece of music - tough and
650
01:19:36,333 --> 01:19:40,683
dissonant, and not at all like what you
expect when you listen to Adagio for
651
01:19:40,683 --> 01:19:45,123
Strings - and I don't think that he was
posturing, I don't think there's anything
652
01:19:45,123 --> 01:19:49,683
false in its toughness. But I certainly
think that somewhere in there, he was
653
01:19:49,683 --> 01:19:54,513
thinking something like: Well, I'll
show them, I can play that game too.
654
01:19:54,513 --> 01:19:59,883
And of course, he could. This
is Barber relating the story of
655
01:19:59,883 --> 01:20:06,873
how he met with Scalero after Scalero
studied the Sonata. "Among other things, he
656
01:20:06,873 --> 01:20:10,952
told me he had taken the time to
carefully correct all the mistakes
657
01:20:10,952 --> 01:20:16,653
throughout my Piano Sonata, and that it
sounds much better now. I felt just as I
658
01:20:16,653 --> 01:20:22,113
did 20 years ago making a violent effort
not to show the annoyance coming through
659
01:20:22,113 --> 01:20:27,363
every nook and cranny of my face, even
though I saw the funny side. He ended the
660
01:20:27,363 --> 01:20:33,963
session, dear old maestro, with a typically
tactful remark: 'You are talented.
661
01:20:33,963 --> 01:20:39,483
Why do you write such bad music? You can
do better. Go on, keep working.' And he
662
01:20:39,483 --> 01:20:45,513
vanished into the Milanese fog, looking
very old and very far away from the joys
663
01:20:45,513 --> 01:20:51,783
of our atomic world - erect, unbending,
dissatisfied." This is all related in a
664
01:20:51,783 --> 01:20:57,393
letter that Barber sent to his uncle Sidney
Homer. Sidney Homer, after hearing a
665
01:20:57,393 --> 01:21:02,043
recording of the Sonata, wrote to Barber,
"How about a sonata right now full of
666
01:21:02,043 --> 01:21:07,851
peace and happiness, while the iron is hot?
Don't you feel the urge?"
667
01:21:11,117 --> 01:21:15,916
The Library of Congress is, you know, the
largest public library on the face of
668
01:21:15,916 --> 01:21:21,527
the planet, the greatest public library
since the library of Alexandria. For the
669
01:21:21,527 --> 01:21:25,757
American people, they need to know
that the Library of Congress is the
670
01:21:25,757 --> 01:21:34,007
largest shoebox of our stuff that was ever
built. It's all ours, it's open source, at
671
01:21:34,007 --> 01:21:39,917
the very essence of what that means.
It is a glorious collection, and I avail
672
01:21:39,917 --> 01:21:44,687
myself of that. I love this place, I love
this building, I love this hall - I think
673
01:21:44,687 --> 01:21:48,077
I'd like to be probably buried in one
of these columns here in the Jefferson
674
01:21:48,077 --> 01:21:52,246
Building - only the Jefferson Building, I'm
not crazy about Washington, D.C., but
675
01:21:52,246 --> 01:21:54,817
I love this building.
676
01:21:55,487 --> 01:22:00,016
Barber was treated very nicely by Elizabeth
Sprague Coolidge who was a friend of
677
01:22:00,016 --> 01:22:05,867
his aunt's, and who thought highly of his
music. She commissioned him to write
678
01:22:05,867 --> 01:22:10,456
songs for her birthday party which was
an annual event of the Library of
679
01:22:10,456 --> 01:22:16,247
Congress, since she was a big contributor
in shaping the Music Division of the
680
01:22:16,247 --> 01:22:22,096
library. His first trip to Ireland,
he went to Donegal, and Barber became
681
01:22:22,096 --> 01:22:28,486
aware of these poems written by Irish monks
on the edges of manuscripts. Some of
682
01:22:28,486 --> 01:22:34,037
them were rather bawdy, and some of them
were concerned with finding solitude,
683
01:22:34,037 --> 01:22:38,327
peace. And he decided
to compose the songs
684
01:22:38,327 --> 01:22:43,846
which have become known as the Hermit
Songs. Then he was trying to find the right
685
01:22:43,846 --> 01:22:50,357
singer, and he landed of course on the
young Leontyne Price. Beginning in those
686
01:22:50,357 --> 01:22:55,876
early days in the '50s, I was a very
devoted friend of Sam, as I called him
687
01:22:55,876 --> 01:23:02,537
affectionately, which I think is a very
important special marriage - and I had that
688
01:23:02,537 --> 01:23:10,727
with Sam. There was an invitation in
Washington, D.C. to do a premiere with him
689
01:23:10,727 --> 01:23:15,947
of the Hermit Songs, and we did it -
and it was a premiere which is
690
01:23:15,947 --> 01:23:19,277
catalogued in the Library of Congress
as really, you know, the first
691
01:23:19,277 --> 01:23:26,356
performances, with great success. This is a
sketchbook that I looked at when I first
692
01:23:26,356 --> 01:23:32,147
began my work on Samuel Barber. It is at the
Library of Congress, and this is sort of
693
01:23:32,147 --> 01:23:37,787
where it all began for me. I went through
every page: he had identified some of
694
01:23:37,787 --> 01:23:45,767
these sketches, but when I got to the
last page in particular, there was a
695
01:23:45,767 --> 01:23:52,996
quotation that just blew me away. And
it's a quotation, the words of Franz
696
01:23:52,996 --> 01:23:55,996
Liszt from - I tracked
it down - "Memoirs of a
697
01:23:55,996 --> 01:24:02,237
Bachelor Musician - and this is the quote,
in Barber's handwriting: "There is a
698
01:24:02,237 --> 01:24:07,817
degree of innovation beyond which
one does not pass without danger.
699
01:24:07,817 --> 01:24:14,326
Lamartine had the gift of seizing the
exact point of permissible innovation."
700
01:24:14,326 --> 01:24:20,177
When I read this, I had an epiphany: And I
said, oh my god, this is Samuel Barber's
701
01:24:20,177 --> 01:24:27,136
credo: he used modernist language insofar
as it did not compromise melody, lyricism
702
01:24:27,136 --> 01:24:36,222
and tonality. And that put a perspective on
him in terms of his aesthetic principles.
703
01:27:59,897 --> 01:28:07,037
These songs, I think, they bring
together two elements: one, his love of
704
01:28:07,037 --> 01:28:12,827
Irish literature - but the themes
themselves resonated with him. And you
705
01:28:12,827 --> 01:28:17,507
know, I feel the more I live with
Barber - or cohabitate with him, as my
706
01:28:17,507 --> 01:28:25,427
kids say, the more I realize that the
texts that he chooses are usually
707
01:28:25,427 --> 01:28:30,527
biographically pointed. And I always observe
this with the songs he wrote at the
708
01:28:30,527 --> 01:28:36,047
end of his life, Despite and Still in
particular, because they reflect really
709
01:28:36,047 --> 01:28:39,767
this quest for inner
peace that could
710
01:28:39,767 --> 01:28:44,267
only be obtained in a
rural, cloistered setting.
711
01:29:22,267 --> 01:29:28,626
I think that Sam Barber is our Monet;
I said that several times in an interview,
712
01:29:28,626 --> 01:29:33,577
and he loved it. He's
an art impressionist.
713
01:29:33,577 --> 01:29:35,947
By that I thought of some
of the blues and the
714
01:29:35,947 --> 01:29:38,677
reds of Monet as well -
particularly the blues.
715
01:29:38,677 --> 01:29:44,137
There must be, what, 1,000 kinds of blue
in Monet. And the mixture of things: that
716
01:29:44,137 --> 01:29:50,857
each color itself comes very strong at
you, not like the sharp steeliness of a
717
01:29:50,857 --> 01:29:56,347
Van Gogh, but the lusciousness and the
fluidity - that's what I think of
718
01:29:56,347 --> 01:30:02,965
Sam's music. I just think he's one
of the great composers of our time.
719
01:30:22,756 --> 01:30:27,646
I was at the first performance of the
Hermit Songs. Sam played the piano and
720
01:30:27,646 --> 01:30:33,196
Leontyne Price sang them, and that was
one of the great experiences that I recall
721
01:30:33,196 --> 01:30:37,306
hearing music. And of course those
songs I think are extraordinary;
722
01:30:37,306 --> 01:30:41,136
I think they've held
up very, very well.
723
01:31:57,847 --> 01:32:02,917
As you've just heard us play this, we
are interested to know if, as you've
724
01:32:02,917 --> 01:32:07,177
heard it, if that represents pretty much what
you had intended. "Oh yes. I think it's
725
01:32:07,177 --> 01:32:12,516
an excellent performance, very good indeed.
I'm glad you kept the tempo moving
726
01:32:12,516 --> 01:32:18,037
because it's a piece with a good deal of
slow music in it - it's a summer piece, the
727
01:32:18,037 --> 01:32:24,367
feeling of summer, but it mustn't
be too lethargic, in fact it
728
01:32:24,367 --> 01:32:26,136
mustn't be lethargic at all
- it must keep moving,
729
01:32:26,136 --> 01:32:30,396
and you did. I noticed you put on a [trill]
at the end of the bassoon part: where
730
01:32:30,396 --> 01:32:34,237
did that come from?" Well, we
have the original parts from the
731
01:32:34,237 --> 01:32:39,097
Detroit group that first performed it;
Charlie the bassoonist told us about it,
732
01:32:39,097 --> 01:32:41,826
and I kind of like the
first idea you had there.
733
01:32:41,826 --> 01:32:50,677
"I like it too. It's not here but it's alright!"
Someone writing about your music says
734
01:32:50,677 --> 01:32:56,917
that Samuel Barber always uses wind
instruments in an idiomatic way. But it
735
01:32:56,917 --> 01:33:01,146
always requires the greatest virtuosity, and
now I know what they mean! "And I have
736
01:33:01,146 --> 01:33:06,787
them, I have all the virtuosos here
today, so I've been very lucky.
737
01:33:06,787 --> 01:33:11,766
I like to develop - why not? - the
instruments, and call for its...and ask for
738
01:33:11,766 --> 01:33:16,686
its maximum potentialty." Well, I was
going to say that your treatment of
739
01:33:16,686 --> 01:33:19,326
the winds is such
that the parts are
740
01:33:19,326 --> 01:33:22,206
extremely difficult to play,
they require an awful
741
01:33:22,206 --> 01:33:26,797
lot of woodshedding; so many composers write
things that are extremely difficult and
742
01:33:26,797 --> 01:33:28,837
impossible, but I
must say that's
743
01:33:28,837 --> 01:33:31,627
not the case with your music.
Well, Sam, it's certainly
744
01:33:31,627 --> 01:33:35,047
been wonderful to have you here, and I
know that everybody's going to enjoy
745
01:33:35,047 --> 01:33:39,247
Summer Music. And I think that your
contribution is one of the greatest, and we
746
01:33:39,247 --> 01:33:43,828
want to thank you from the bottom of our
hearts. "Thank you very much, thank you."
747
01:34:36,196 --> 01:34:42,287
I'm not one of these conductors who is
into opera the same way others are;
748
01:34:42,287 --> 01:34:47,506
I didn't grow up in a background which had
stage in my blood. But I find myself
749
01:34:47,506 --> 01:34:53,206
drawn to the operas where there's
stronger musical intent. Vanessa per se
750
01:34:53,206 --> 01:35:00,076
as a drama - it's a little slow, not much
happens - five people, and it's sort of a
751
01:35:00,076 --> 01:35:05,837
static work dramatically. But the music
makes this an extraordinary opera. We
752
01:35:05,837 --> 01:35:10,456
were all convinced by the time we'd
done it that we would spur all kinds of
753
01:35:10,456 --> 01:35:14,386
revivals of the work, and that hasn't quite
happened yet, but it should, because this
754
01:35:14,386 --> 01:35:18,046
is an opera that holds its own virtually
with any opera in the 20th century.
755
01:35:18,046 --> 01:35:20,027
It's got great arias,
it has that fantastic
756
01:35:20,027 --> 01:35:23,566
quintet in the last act, it has
a wonderful interlude in it.
757
01:35:23,566 --> 01:35:28,227
Everybody gets something to do.
Barber was invited actually by the Met
758
01:35:28,227 --> 01:35:32,367
to write an opera many years before he
actually wrote Vanessa. His quest for
759
01:35:32,367 --> 01:35:38,457
the right libretto went back as far as
1934 when he wrote to Scalero that he
760
01:35:38,457 --> 01:35:43,077
was anxious to attempt an opera on an
American libretto. Then there were
761
01:35:43,077 --> 01:35:47,457
interruptions because of the war; he had
thought maybe Dylan Thomas, Tennessee
762
01:35:47,457 --> 01:35:53,457
Williams, Stephen Spender, the list goes on
and on and on. But he knew that he needed
763
01:35:53,457 --> 01:35:57,957
an original libretto, and finally he
writes to his Uncle Sidney, "You'll never
764
01:35:57,957 --> 01:36:03,357
guess who agreed to do it." Of course,
Gian-Carlo. Menotti wrote into
765
01:36:03,357 --> 01:36:09,837
the libretto many, many allusions to
Barber's preferences: French food, ice
766
01:36:09,837 --> 01:36:15,237
skating, Chekhov's The Cherry Orchard
which was one of Barber's favorite plays.
767
01:36:15,237 --> 01:36:20,757
There was a true collaboration here.
Menotti who wrote the libretto does
768
01:36:20,757 --> 01:36:27,387
believe that Vanessa was more like Sam,
and Anatole, I guess, more like him.
769
01:36:27,387 --> 01:36:35,857
Sam/Vanessa was the romantic, the dreamer.
Then of course he had to find the right
770
01:36:35,857 --> 01:36:41,257
singer for the role of Vanessa. He started
with Maria Callas, who came to
771
01:36:41,257 --> 01:36:45,457
visit him at Capricorn, bringing her
little dog with her, and she apparently
772
01:36:45,457 --> 01:36:48,997
decided not to do it, probably
because she noticed that the
773
01:36:48,997 --> 01:36:55,477
role of Erika would upstage her. And lo
and behold, Eleanor Steber stepped in,
774
01:36:55,477 --> 01:36:58,747
learned the part in
record time, and she
775
01:36:58,747 --> 01:37:04,327
said, "Vanessa was my role - I lived her
life! I know about Anatole!" That's what
776
01:37:04,327 --> 01:37:11,107
she told me anyway. He added
certain things at the last minute.
777
01:37:11,107 --> 01:37:15,517
Rosalind Elias, who played the young
Erika, was very upset that she didn't
778
01:37:15,517 --> 01:37:18,097
have an aria - everybody
else had an aria - and
779
01:37:18,097 --> 01:37:22,357
for her, he wrote very quickly the song
Must the Winter Come So Soon, which is
780
01:37:22,357 --> 01:37:26,887
surely one of the most beautiful arias
in the opera. It really could serve as a
781
01:37:26,887 --> 01:37:30,177
stand-alone art song.
782
01:39:11,687 --> 01:39:17,136
A great event happened in 1960
when the Academy of Music, this
783
01:39:17,136 --> 01:39:20,947
fabulous concert hall, home of the
world-renowned Philadelphia Orchestra,
784
01:39:20,947 --> 01:39:27,457
received a brand new pipe organ by the
legendary firm Aeolian-Skinner. This organ
785
01:39:27,457 --> 01:39:33,546
was given by Mary Curtis Bok, and to
celebrate this occasion she commissioned
786
01:39:33,546 --> 01:39:40,146
Samuel Barber to write Toccata Festiva.
Now, what brings it so close to me is the
787
01:39:40,146 --> 01:39:44,526
fact that Samuel Barber knew there was
one organist and only one organist that
788
01:39:44,526 --> 01:39:48,726
could pull off his vision for this
piece, and that was Paul Callaway, my
789
01:39:48,726 --> 01:39:53,646
predecessor at the Cathedral Choral
Society. Paul Callaway was the organist/
790
01:39:53,646 --> 01:39:57,516
choirmaster at the Washington National
Cathedral; he knew his way around one of
791
01:39:57,516 --> 01:40:02,856
the largest organs in the world. So this
friendship that started out between the
792
01:40:02,856 --> 01:40:10,866
two inspired, I know, Barber to dare to
write whatever his fertile imagination
793
01:40:10,866 --> 01:40:15,217
would create. Every stop, you know,
Barber needed to know just what that
794
01:40:15,217 --> 01:40:17,166
could or couldn't do
in the combinations,
795
01:40:17,166 --> 01:40:21,697
and I think it's one of the most - other
than just the piece orchestrally,
796
01:40:21,697 --> 01:40:25,896
but then you add the organ and you add
particularly the cadenza played by the
797
01:40:25,896 --> 01:40:30,276
feet alone, which was very audacious -
it's something that in my opinion in the
798
01:40:30,276 --> 01:40:35,983
repertoire of organ
concertos stands by itself.
799
01:40:50,467 --> 01:40:55,296
Being out here in this beautiful setting,
this sylvan setting, it's hard not to
800
01:40:55,296 --> 01:41:02,676
understand how a composer could be
inspired to greatness, to beauty, to
801
01:41:02,676 --> 01:41:08,347
all kinds of things. And I'm fascinated
with the effect that it had on
802
01:41:08,347 --> 01:41:12,666
Barber when he was no longer able to
live here at Capricorn in this beautiful
803
01:41:12,666 --> 01:41:18,307
setting, and move back into the city. It
almost created, if you will, kind of like
804
01:41:18,307 --> 01:41:23,046
"writers block": that's not to say that
composers can't work, and often do, under
805
01:41:23,046 --> 01:41:29,437
great hardship - they hardly have
this type of setting to inspire
806
01:41:29,437 --> 01:41:33,337
them. So it's in their mind and their
heart and their soul, but if you
807
01:41:33,337 --> 01:41:39,937
have the added stimulation of a setting
like this, you're fortunate indeed - and
808
01:41:39,937 --> 01:41:43,807
we're fortunate, because precious,
priceless, timeless music was created
809
01:41:43,807 --> 01:41:47,367
right here in Capricorn.
810
01:41:48,107 --> 01:41:54,197
Capricorn was a curious house because
we wanted something that had two
811
01:41:54,197 --> 01:41:57,017
very separate wings,
and our studios would
812
01:41:57,017 --> 01:42:00,017
be far enough from each
other so we couldn't
813
01:42:00,017 --> 01:42:04,877
hear each other, and compose. But at
that time we were just out of Curtis;
814
01:42:04,877 --> 01:42:10,967
it was difficult for us to move there
and to buy it and so on, but
815
01:42:10,967 --> 01:42:15,887
with the help of friends, we were able to buy
the house. And it became a quite famous
816
01:42:15,887 --> 01:42:22,337
house because practically all of New York
intellectuals came through Capricorn
817
01:42:22,337 --> 01:42:31,277
one time or another: not only musicians,
but many writers and painters; people
818
01:42:31,277 --> 01:42:38,137
that you would never think would be our
friends, like Duchamp and Andy Warhol!
819
01:42:38,137 --> 01:42:43,177
It took me a long time to have
had good relations with Barber,
820
01:42:43,177 --> 01:42:49,777
and I'm glad it was going from bad
to good than the reverse. And of
821
01:42:49,777 --> 01:42:57,097
course at Capricorn, I would visit
rather regularly, and when I was invited
822
01:42:57,097 --> 01:43:01,867
for Christmas - of course, they
received tons of Christmas cards, at
823
01:43:01,867 --> 01:43:04,927
the time when Christmas
cards existed - and
824
01:43:04,927 --> 01:43:09,247
there, each year, made
a competition: which
825
01:43:09,247 --> 01:43:14,677
was the worst, the most
awful card that they
826
01:43:14,677 --> 01:43:17,137
would have received, which
was rather indicative: it
827
01:43:17,137 --> 01:43:22,777
was not of the most beautiful; it was
the worst! So that shows that they were
828
01:43:22,777 --> 01:43:30,067
kind of bitchy, you'd say. Okay; so they
had already selected - so we'll ask
829
01:43:30,067 --> 01:43:36,487
Jean-Pierre what he thinks. And it was
a card that John Corigliano had sent -
830
01:43:36,487 --> 01:43:38,377
he was young, a young
man at the time;
831
01:43:38,377 --> 01:43:40,597
I don't know if he had drawn
it himself, or a friend -
832
01:43:40,597 --> 01:43:51,697
anyway, it showed...it was a diptych with
Jesus Christ whipping deer, you know,
833
01:43:51,697 --> 01:43:55,417
and Santa Claus
nailed on the cross.
834
01:43:55,417 --> 01:44:00,487
That was that. So, what
do you think, Jean-Pierre?
835
01:44:00,487 --> 01:44:07,327
What could I say? To be very honest,
I don't follow your...it's a
836
01:44:07,327 --> 01:44:17,137
fact that Christmas is an ambivalent
feast, and it's also a pagan feast which
837
01:44:17,137 --> 01:44:20,827
has nothing to do with it, and the two are
mixed, and often the church complains...
838
01:44:20,827 --> 01:44:29,467
In other words, I was not horrified.
And that stirred up a very hot
839
01:44:29,467 --> 01:44:34,657
discussion. I mean, I remember I said,
I'm sure Nadia Boulanger would have been
840
01:44:34,657 --> 01:44:40,117
shocked, I said that - that probably was
the wrong thing to say, because Nadia
841
01:44:40,117 --> 01:44:45,187
was of course "La bon chrétien," and of
course that would have been unthinkable
842
01:44:45,187 --> 01:44:51,146
for her, but I said: at Capricorn, you
know, you should be a little more
843
01:44:51,146 --> 01:44:56,516
broad-minded and all that. And Barber
said, "Well I think we should stop this
844
01:44:56,516 --> 01:45:03,386
discussion, after all this is a Christian
house!" I still hear him. And it left, you
845
01:45:03,386 --> 01:45:08,786
know, I mean, and then it just went from
bad to worse at the time, that I said to
846
01:45:08,786 --> 01:45:12,476
Gian-Carlo, I'm going home. And he said,
"well, you know, he's in a bad mood,
847
01:45:12,476 --> 01:45:17,246
you are not the first to have that -
please, bambino..." That is the truth,
848
01:45:17,246 --> 01:45:20,756
and John Corigliano, I don't know
if he knows that I took his defense
849
01:45:20,756 --> 01:45:26,741
with great, great gusto!
850
01:45:32,547 --> 01:45:41,097
What kind of relationship did Barber
and Menotti have? This is a puzzling
851
01:45:41,097 --> 01:45:45,747
question, because we really don't quite
know. Were they monogamous? Turns out
852
01:45:45,747 --> 01:45:53,577
they weren't. Did they stray from one
another as a matter of course? It's hard
853
01:45:53,577 --> 01:46:03,417
to tell. Part of the reason is the sort of
fluidity of musicians, composers, dancers,
854
01:46:03,417 --> 01:46:09,177
theatre directors and so on that worked
together at this time. It's hard to
855
01:46:09,177 --> 01:46:17,037
say exactly how open or closed these
relationships were. I think the one thing
856
01:46:17,037 --> 01:46:23,937
we know is that these men came together
artistically first. So on one level this
857
01:46:23,937 --> 01:46:33,087
collaboration, this musical artistic love
sort of didn't die, because both men seemed
858
01:46:33,087 --> 01:46:39,327
to be renewed in their personal lives
by taking new lovers. And yet, they
859
01:46:39,327 --> 01:46:46,827
continued to live together at the house,
in Capricorn, in Mount Kisco; they
860
01:46:46,827 --> 01:46:54,419
continued to work and travel together. They
continued to collaborate on these works.
861
01:46:56,997 --> 01:47:02,219
He wouldn't have liked
even being called gay.
862
01:47:08,127 --> 01:47:14,187
But he was perfectly proud of his
friends who were, like Menotti,
863
01:47:14,187 --> 01:47:22,917
especially the successful ones.
And he had one way of behaving,
864
01:47:22,917 --> 01:47:29,907
you know, in what you might call society;
and then he had another way of behaving
865
01:47:29,907 --> 01:47:39,327
with, say, young male friends. I think he
thought of himself and his private life as
866
01:47:39,327 --> 01:47:46,292
a gentleman first of all, and that
rather old-fashioned way that
867
01:47:46,292 --> 01:47:51,747
people had of being gay. I think
it's gone out of style now, maybe.
868
01:47:51,747 --> 01:47:58,707
But it never did with Sam. In fact I
remember him saying to me not too long
869
01:47:58,707 --> 01:48:02,277
before he died, well
who would ever know I
870
01:48:02,277 --> 01:48:06,117
was homosexual? And I
said, well, Sam, do you
871
01:48:06,117 --> 01:48:12,691
think everyone you know is
going to keep quiet about it?
872
01:48:14,527 --> 01:48:17,697
I talked to Gian-Carlo about
this after Sam's death, and
873
01:48:17,697 --> 01:48:28,017
he said, he kept saying, well, we just
couldn't get along. Things were... Maybe two
874
01:48:28,017 --> 01:48:32,946
composers - you know, like
two pianists: very dangerous.
875
01:48:32,946 --> 01:48:38,877
I think in some ways there may have been
some envy, because Gian-Carlo was a
876
01:48:38,877 --> 01:48:42,837
theatre person. I've
always wondered if
877
01:48:42,837 --> 01:48:45,897
Gian-Carlo just couldn't handle that.
And then of course,
878
01:48:45,897 --> 01:48:53,607
we can't get away from the fact that,
the Schippers relationship - again, it
879
01:48:53,607 --> 01:49:00,687
all started a long time before I even
knew Sam, and I think they just gradually
880
01:49:00,687 --> 01:49:03,717
started going on the rocks.
I think Gian-Carlo was always more
881
01:49:03,717 --> 01:49:08,157
interested in younger men.
I don't think Sam cared, really.
882
01:49:08,157 --> 01:49:13,917
He was attracted by them, but I think he
would have been more than happy to...
883
01:49:13,917 --> 01:49:18,717
he was truly...he was
married to Gian-Carlo,
884
01:49:18,717 --> 01:49:20,517
there's absolutely no
question about it -
885
01:49:20,517 --> 01:49:22,857
he was married. I don't
think Gian-Carlo felt quite
886
01:49:22,857 --> 01:49:30,870
the same thing. But I don't think
that we'll ever know the whole story.
887
01:49:36,057 --> 01:49:40,737
Antony and Cleopatra was Barber's
favorite Shakespearean play, and when you
888
01:49:40,737 --> 01:49:45,507
read the lines, I can understand why.
It is a passionate play about love,
889
01:49:45,507 --> 01:49:52,287
impossible love essentially, and
Barber's score is much more intimate
890
01:49:52,287 --> 01:49:57,127
than the production. Everything
that could have gone wrong
891
01:49:57,127 --> 01:50:01,807
went wrong, and Barber was very, very
upset. "With the stage sets of Antony
892
01:50:01,807 --> 01:50:07,897
and Cleopatra, I was not very happy.
There was sort of a great number of
893
01:50:07,897 --> 01:50:09,817
things going on on the
stage; it was hard to
894
01:50:09,817 --> 01:50:14,827
hear the music - I think Leontyne Price
told me she held onto her wig and
895
01:50:14,827 --> 01:50:20,077
decided it was either the opera or
herself, or the music, I forget which
896
01:50:20,077 --> 01:50:25,267
it was; she was very gallant about that.
And I did not...I thought that was
897
01:50:25,267 --> 01:50:32,937
mistreated by the man who did the
sets, who shall be nameless."
898
01:50:34,577 --> 01:50:42,197
Sam was talked into using Zeffirelli by
the management of the Met, which was a
899
01:50:42,197 --> 01:50:48,797
great mistake. And of course at that time,
Zeffirelli was very chic - but as
900
01:50:48,797 --> 01:50:54,587
Suso d'Amico in Rome used to say,
Zeffirelli is extremely good with the 13th
901
01:50:54,587 --> 01:51:01,622
production of Rigoletto or something, but
he really cannot do an original production.
902
01:51:02,907 --> 01:51:05,727
The first night itself,
I can testify, was
903
01:51:05,727 --> 01:51:12,237
not a very, very exciting experience for
me, to have a 3-minute cue, and I was
904
01:51:12,237 --> 01:51:18,957
locked into the pyramid after the first aria -
in the pitch dark! - because something
905
01:51:18,957 --> 01:51:20,817
mechanical didn't
open up at the right
906
01:51:20,817 --> 01:51:23,937
time. But I must say, there's
no business like showbiz;
907
01:51:23,937 --> 01:51:30,484
I simply kept singing the thing, in the
pyramid! I'll be heard no matter what!
908
01:51:35,197 --> 01:51:39,087
I remember hearing the premiere
broadcast of Anthony and
909
01:51:39,087 --> 01:51:45,177
Cleopatra on the radio, the Met Saturday
broadcast, and even have a tape of it.
910
01:51:45,177 --> 01:51:51,357
I was enchanted; I was absolutely drawn into
it as a listener. Now, we all know that
911
01:51:51,357 --> 01:51:56,427
the stage didn't function properly, and
it was a social gathering: people were
912
01:51:56,427 --> 01:51:59,757
not ready for quite a long evening in the
theatre; what was it, one critic said
913
01:51:59,757 --> 01:52:04,414
that in-between intermissions they
performed Antony and Cleopatra.
914
01:52:04,414 --> 01:52:09,867
The audience clapped and clapped and clapped.
He was brought to the stage over and
915
01:52:09,867 --> 01:52:13,077
over and over again. That premiere
performance was received with great
916
01:52:13,077 --> 01:52:18,987
glory. Bing had every intention of
performing it again; there are letters to
917
01:52:18,987 --> 01:52:24,477
prove that. But it kept getting delayed,
and the work that should have been the
918
01:52:24,477 --> 01:52:34,017
highest point of his career turned out to
be his nemesis. The viciousness, really
919
01:52:34,017 --> 01:52:42,267
venal quality of those reviews: they
were waiting to get him, and they did.
920
01:52:42,267 --> 01:52:46,887
And the terrible thing is that when
it was played at Juilliard several
921
01:52:46,887 --> 01:52:54,597
years later, everybody who went, knew that
we had seen a great opera. The problem was
922
01:52:54,597 --> 01:53:01,257
it was staged in such an enormously "Cirque
du Soleil" fashion that you really
923
01:53:01,257 --> 01:53:08,847
didn't hear the music. And it was so bad
that he said to me, "I see no reason to
924
01:53:08,847 --> 01:53:14,367
write anymore; I don't - if people don't
want me to write, I won't write." And he
925
01:53:14,367 --> 01:53:19,437
wrote very little after that. He did
write one cantata, some piano pieces, a
926
01:53:19,437 --> 01:53:25,797
movement of an oboe concerto - but no one
expected this. One could expect a bad
927
01:53:25,797 --> 01:53:33,357
review, or negative things in a review,
but not this huge onslaught. And he was a
928
01:53:33,357 --> 01:53:44,597
different man after that; he was not happy.
He moved. But, it wasn't there.
929
01:53:44,597 --> 01:53:51,827
Wasn't there. And how much we lost because
of that is a real shame, because Sam
930
01:53:51,827 --> 01:53:58,943
still had in him great, great music to
write, but we'll never know what that is.
931
01:53:58,943 --> 01:54:08,877
The last years of Barber's life were basically
years without Menotti. Menotti moved
932
01:54:08,877 --> 01:54:16,527
to Yester House in Scotland, and he asked
Barber to sell Capricorn. And after
933
01:54:16,527 --> 01:54:22,797
Antony and Cleopatra's failure, that was a
real blow to him, because Capricorn was
934
01:54:22,797 --> 01:54:28,677
the place where Barber wanted to be, and
wanted, I guess, to die, to spend his
935
01:54:28,677 --> 01:54:35,067
last days. But he had to sell it, he had
to move back to New York, and he was not
936
01:54:35,067 --> 01:54:41,607
comfortable in big cities. He writes
something in a letter that he is a boy
937
01:54:41,607 --> 01:54:47,637
from the country, and he doesn't
want to live in big buildings in
938
01:54:47,637 --> 01:54:52,977
New York. So even in a wonderful location
like Manhattan's Fifth Avenue, he wasn't
939
01:54:52,977 --> 01:54:57,886
comfortable, he was
sad, and he was alone.
940
01:56:05,847 --> 01:56:10,797
You know, his musical loves
changed from age to age, and he
941
01:56:10,797 --> 01:56:17,186
started with Brahms, then he went through
a certain influence of Sibelius, and then
942
01:56:17,186 --> 01:56:19,406
at the end, the last years,
he played only Bach,
943
01:56:19,406 --> 01:56:26,007
only Bach. He had bought the Gesellschaft,
and that was his great love, and
944
01:56:26,007 --> 01:56:31,527
when he sat at the piano, it
was always to play some Bach.
945
01:56:31,527 --> 01:56:36,477
I don't think he was very, that interested
actually in orchestrating. I don't feel
946
01:56:36,477 --> 01:56:41,247
Sam's soul in the style of orchestration.
But at the same time, he often
947
01:56:41,247 --> 01:56:45,207
said the color of the orchestra doesn't
really interest me that much, because I
948
01:56:45,207 --> 01:56:50,547
feel that the valid musical values should
remain the same, it doesn't matter
949
01:56:50,547 --> 01:56:54,477
what instrument you use - the orchestra
in a hundred years will be a completely
950
01:56:54,477 --> 01:56:59,426
different kind of orchestra, and then what?
What will happen to all those wonderful
951
01:56:59,426 --> 01:57:02,127
little sounds of Debussy
and Ravel and so on?
952
01:57:02,127 --> 01:57:07,497
He always said, Bach, look at Bach: you play
Bach on the harmonica, or you play it on
953
01:57:07,497 --> 01:57:13,127
the guitar, or on the organ:
it's always wonderful.
954
01:57:13,517 --> 01:57:21,467
I'm fascinated with how important Bach
was to Barber. There is a wonderful
955
01:57:21,467 --> 01:57:27,197
integrity to the structure of his writing -
he doesn't waste notes. And it
956
01:57:27,197 --> 01:57:33,347
also transcends normal formality and
formalism; I mean, in the same way that
957
01:57:33,347 --> 01:57:36,647
people who don't understand Bach,
they think of him as this, again,
958
01:57:36,647 --> 01:57:41,117
traditionalist, this old-fashioned guy,
but he knew and could write in all
959
01:57:41,117 --> 01:57:43,187
the styles - in any of
the styles - whenever
960
01:57:43,187 --> 01:57:47,777
he cared to. Towards the end of his life,
when that's all he played, when he
961
01:57:47,777 --> 01:57:52,877
would go to Bach like you go
to the Bible, is because Bach
962
01:57:52,877 --> 01:57:58,097
is apart from everything else: in the
sense that it's something eternal.
963
01:57:58,097 --> 01:58:02,237
It's something...it's an eternal truth.
It's nice to have a few mysteries in
964
01:58:02,237 --> 01:58:05,717
life, and when you approach death, when
you're at the end, you know, you think
965
01:58:05,717 --> 01:58:10,727
about a lot of things; but that composer
and that music and that person,
966
01:58:10,727 --> 01:58:15,197
I think of it like a god. I mean,
just something that has been with
967
01:58:15,197 --> 01:58:20,656
you on one level all through your life,
and will be with you in the life to come.
968
01:58:35,176 --> 01:58:41,297
My name is Calvin Bowman, and I'm
an Australian composer. I've loved
969
01:58:41,297 --> 01:58:46,487
Bach since my teenage
years, and at that point
970
01:58:46,487 --> 01:58:52,457
I began to play the organ, and started to
explore the big preludes and fugues, the
971
01:58:52,457 --> 01:58:55,787
passacaglias and the big
choral preludes. In 2009,
972
01:58:55,787 --> 01:59:02,057
I played all the Bach organ works at once.
So, for 17 hours, I sat and played
973
01:59:02,057 --> 01:59:06,827
Bach non-stop, virtually. It was what
I would describe as a transcendental
974
01:59:06,827 --> 01:59:12,497
experience, and it was as though I could
see the inner workings of the universe
975
01:59:12,497 --> 01:59:19,757
as I was playing. And I guess throughout
his life, Sam Barber turned to that music
976
01:59:19,757 --> 01:59:26,597
in order to make sense of his existence,
especially in times of crisis.
977
01:59:26,597 --> 01:59:32,507
And in the end, turning to Bach in that
way was something akin to a religious
978
01:59:32,507 --> 01:59:36,287
experience for him. I'm not what
I'd describe as a sad person,
979
01:59:36,287 --> 01:59:40,876
but there's a deeply felt
melancholy within my
980
01:59:40,876 --> 01:59:49,067
soul, and that all comes out in my music.
And Sam Barber inspires me to do that.
981
01:59:49,067 --> 01:59:51,347
And in some ways, by
listening to his music
982
01:59:51,347 --> 01:59:56,926
and studying his music, I know it's safe to
do so. He says to me, it's alright to be
983
01:59:56,926 --> 01:59:59,357
lyrical, and it's alright
for you to explore
984
01:59:59,357 --> 02:00:04,666
the recesses of your heart.
And sometimes
985
02:00:04,666 --> 02:00:11,897
those places are a little sadder, but there's
beauty to be found in those recesses.
986
02:00:11,897 --> 02:00:18,017
So, for many years I've been collecting
Barber memorabilia. In my collection I have
987
02:00:18,017 --> 02:00:26,027
various manuscript drafts, I have
signed scores, and this obsession has
988
02:00:26,027 --> 02:00:31,399
culminated in the purchase
of his childhood Steinway.
989
02:00:31,399 --> 02:00:35,707
More by good luck than
design, I came across
990
02:00:35,707 --> 02:00:42,367
Sam Barber's childhood Steinway -
No. 220601 -
991
02:00:42,367 --> 02:00:47,257
for which he wrote a piece called To My
Steinway. So clearly, it's a piano that he
992
02:00:47,257 --> 02:00:56,217
loved very much, even at that tender age.
Unfortunately, it was in fairly
993
02:00:56,217 --> 02:01:02,667
deplorable condition, so what we're doing
is we're saving Barber's Steinway. So it's
994
02:01:02,667 --> 02:01:09,717
currently being fully restored, and it's
going to be a piano that I can use once
995
02:01:09,717 --> 02:01:13,107
it has been fully restored; it can't be
a museum piece for me, it needs to be
996
02:01:13,107 --> 02:01:16,727
something that I can
compose and work upon.
997
02:01:22,802 --> 02:01:26,686
My name is Melissa Fogarty. I'm a soprano.
I've been living with
998
02:01:26,686 --> 02:01:34,217
Samuel Barber songs for 20 years, and
I just made a recording of 23 of his songs
999
02:01:34,217 --> 02:01:38,227
and it's called
Despite and Still.
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I actually started singing professionally
at age 11, and had a very
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charmed life around that, singing solo
children's roles at the Met, at City Opera,
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Sarasota Opera; it was
a dream childhood, in
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that regard. In the late aughts, I
really started to gain some success and
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credibility and notoriety as
an artist in New York City.
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And then it started to dry up. And so the
question was, well what now? Should I
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go back to school,
do something else?
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Is there really any point in
auditioning in the incredible
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competition? And...the answer is, yes,
there is. But how about doing your
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own thing, just going with your own gut,
and not really worrying about, you know,
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getting into this opera or whatever. But
it's not easy. And so Despite and Still
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resonated with me: in particular, the
first song, which is actually called the
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Last Song, taken from the poem A Last Poem,
in which the poet Robert Graves says,
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"A last song, and a very last, and yet
another - O, when shall I give over?" And
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to me, I think he's saying, do I keep writing,
or in this instance do I keep singing?
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Do I have anything else to say as an
artist? Is there anyone listening?
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Does anyone care? Why am I doing this?
And also, Despite
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and Still: to me, that's the answer to
the question. It's the last piece of the
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cycle, and I think it more has to do with
a struggling relationship. One thing I
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think is really beautiful, and I wrote it
in my program notes, is that he died in
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Menotti's arms. So even though they
separated, they still had that
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connection. And how could they not? They
stayed together for decades. So even
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though things didn't work out, I think deep
down they still deeply loved each other.
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