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Mr Nilsen has confessed
to killing 15 men...
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mostly homeless and vulnerable,
over a period of five years.
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We're now in the process
of confirming that number.
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Here, take a look at that.
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We're also aware that
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there are up to seven attempted murders.
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So, we ask anybody who may have visited
195 Melrose Avenue
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from December 1978 to 1981
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or 23 Cranley Gardens from 1981
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to February this year,
to please call Hornsey Police Station
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on the number behind me.
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If you know of anybody
that's gone missing...
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sons...
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brothers, fathers...
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uncles, nephews, cousins...
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friends...
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please contact us...
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because we need your help.
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OK, questions please. Yes, Tim.
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How many of the victims
have you identified so far?
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Well, other than Stephen Sinclair,
we won't be naming any more of the victims
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until official charges have been brought
against Mr Nilsen.
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Charlotte.
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How likely is it that you'll identify
all 15 of his victims?
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Well, we're still in the process
of assessing and analysing
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the evidence from Melrose Avenue...
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Yes, yes, I understand.
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We are absolutely certain
he killed only men.
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His father recognised the knives
on the television.
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Gave them to him as a gift
for starting chef school.
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But according to him, his son never
turned up on the first day of class
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and he hasn't seen him since May, 1980
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which would match Nilsen's dates
for his third victim.
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Next step?
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Well, Nilsen's requested a visit,
so, uh, I'll take the photo with me
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and get him to confirm.
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Requested a visit?
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Yeah. I'm hoping he's remembered
some more names.
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How are you coping?
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Oh, good.
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We're trying to get through
the 8,000 missing person's reports.
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No, I'm good, thanks.
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We need more manpower,
but you know that.
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I'm still trying.
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What's going on
with "John the Guardsman"?
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Uh, Healey's checking
all the guardsmen called John.
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He's been on that for a few weeks.
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There's 256 of 'em.
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Gonna take some time, but...
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he'll find him.
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Speaking of which, um...
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we think we, uh,
might have another lead.
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Lodge found three dental plates
in the dig at Melrose.
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One of them is only made in Germany.
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So, he thinks if he can go over there...
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- To Germany?
- ...he can narrow it down
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and probably come up
with another name.
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Guv, look...
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I know it's a long shot, but...
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if we get another name,
it's gotta be worth it. Right?
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There's talk from the Yard.
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As far as they're concerned,
they already have him
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on three counts of murder.
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We told the press last week
we think it's 15!
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Why do you think
we're still active?
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I'm just warning you.
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You need to start closing the leads
we already have, not opening new ones
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especially in different countries.
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They're nervous about how much
this is costing already.
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Oh, so this is about money?
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Everything is always about money, Peter.
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We've just got to be smart.
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Thank you.
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No wonder that half of Category A
is on hunger strike...
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I might well join 'em,
just to break the monotony.
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No.
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Ah, let me tell ya...
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it's perfectly feasible
to be on normal rations in here
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and still effectively remain
on hunger strike.
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I don't even know why I'm Category A
in the first place.
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I'm hardly going to escape
or commit suicide.
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- Des...
- The help I'm giving the police
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should be rewarded, not punished.
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Let me see what we can do.
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You've said that before.
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Martyn Duffey.
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Is he one of them?
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Yeah, of course... Martyn.
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Yeah, he was number three.
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The one I told you about
that I met at Euston Station.
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- Have you anymore?
- Hopefully soon.
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You said that you had
some more information for me
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or was that just so you could talk
about your living situation?
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No. I'd never do that.
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Any news about Bleep?
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It's just I've heard nothing about her
since I got in here.
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I'll call the dog's home.
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See what I can find out.
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I also have another name for you.
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Uh...
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yeah, one of the young men
at Melrose Avenue.
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I just woke up, his name was just there.
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Kenneth Ockenden.
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Ockenden?
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Mmm.
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What, you're 100% sure?
Kenneth Ockenden.
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Yeah. The Canadian lad that was
all over the news when he went missing.
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Did you hold his name back from us?
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No, why would you say that?
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I want these people identified
and laid to rest
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just as much as you do, Mr Jay.
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I'm simply trying to tell the truth.
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But he can't have.
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Why not?
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Because Ockenden was investigated
for three years.
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Right? They found nothing.
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What are you thinking?
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Well, we're gonna request the files
and treat it as a murder investigation.
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- What's the problem?
- I know some of the guys, Peter.
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Ockenden was a difficult case for them.
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And the press weren't exactly kind
when they couldn't find him.
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Right, Steve, request the files.
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Can I tell Martyn Duffey's dad?
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I-I made him certain promises
when he first came forward.
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Yeah, course.
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Sorry, boss, you might both want
to hear this.
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Someone's just called saying
he's Nilsen's biographer.
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- Eh?
- Yeah.
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He asked if we could tell him anything
about the investigation or the arrest.
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No, look, that's just a rag trying
to get a quote.
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If they call back,
tell 'em to piss off.
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Gladly.
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Steve?
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Let me know when you get the files.
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Kenneth Ockenden, Canadian tourist...
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left his hotel
in Kings Cross on December 3rd.
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He was meant to meet his uncle...
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on the fifth, to collect some money
for a plane home for Christmas.
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He was never seen again.
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What, and Nilsen's
only just remembered this?
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Nilsen says he met him
in a West End pub.
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They talked about his camera.
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They spent the day sightseeing.
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That night, he strangled him
with a headphone cord
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as Ockenden listened to music
in Melrose Avenue.
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He disposed of his body in the garden,
as per, so we are currently looking
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for any signs of him in the dig.
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Now, look, we all hope that we find
something at Melrose, but until we do
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these files are our...
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they're our best shot.
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Now look, I know you all think
you might know about this case
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because of the media coverage,
but we can't half-arse this.
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Nilsen is in there.
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Somewhere.
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Have you finished?
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I tell you explicitly not to open
any more leads
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and you open Kenneth bloody Ockenden!
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Ockenden's mother had links
to the Canadian Parliament.
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His disappearance became political.
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So, you can imagine the Yard's reaction
to you making it a murder inquiry
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with a serial killer as the suspect.
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Nilsen says he killed him, Guv.
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Of course he did!
He'll say anything to stay in the papers.
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Ockenden doesn't fit
the victim profile, Peter.
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He wasn't homeless or an addict.
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He wasn't even gay.
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He had a girlfriend back in Canada.
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- Oh, that doesn't mean anything.
- Then why did he go home with him?
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What evidence have you found?
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You want us to tell his family
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that a boy the police couldn't find
for three years
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was actually killed by a former copper
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and you don't have any physical evidence?
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When's he ever lied to us before?
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I have been trying to help you.
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Get you the money and support you need
to close this case.
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But you went behind my back
and made us look like a bunch of amateurs.
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You better be right about this.
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The gruesome search continues
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at 195 Melrose Avenue,
for what police now believe
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are dismembered remains
that have been buried in the garden
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for three years or more.
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All day,
detectives and forensic science experts
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have been taking the bones for examination
in a laboratory.
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We found a small piece of jaw
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and some teeth attached to it
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in the rear garden, and this morning
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they found a significant amount
of human bones.
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Of what we brought in
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a big percentage of them
turned out to be animal bones.
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But, of those that are definitely human
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we estimate we have between
eight and twenty different victims.
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Are any of them from Ockenden?
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No.
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But, a lot of them we couldn't analyse
due to fire damage.
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Did we manage to identify anyone from them?
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Yeah, I'm afraid not.
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There must be some more tests we can do?
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Look, I know it's not the news
we hoped for
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but it was always gonna be a long shot,
considering the amount of time passed
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and the, uh, astute method of disposal.
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Look...
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I'd say we were fortunate
to get Martyn Duffey.
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But, you said there could be
as many as 20?
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Well, as I say, it's an estimate,
but it's certainly a possibility.
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I'll give you gentlemen a minute.
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Thank you.
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We need to re-test the headphones
found at Cranley Gardens.
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No, Peter, all Ockenden is doing
is sending us up a bunch of blind alleys.
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We may need to move on from him.
You heard what he said.
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Possibly 20 victims.
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Which means Nilsen may have
been lying to us from the very start.
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I'll call it in.
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I made something for you.
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It's all jumbled and in no special order
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but, I figured, you're the artist.
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Only you know what's important
and how to select it.
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What made you draw these?
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Nostalgia, I suppose.
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I-I thought you told the police
that you didn't remember your victims?
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No. Their names, no.
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But that doesn't mean
I don't remember...
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our time together.
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I took him up on maybe four occasions,
in the following two weeks.
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And what did you do when you, um...
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"brought him up"?
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Well, his naked body fascinated me.
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I'd roll him onto his stomach,
roll him onto his back, touching him.
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Stroking him. I was thrilled
that I had full control...
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ownership over this beautiful body.
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So, control was the, um...
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motivation?
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Well, nothing is ever about one thing,
Brian.
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Sometimes I'd, um, put them
in the other armchair next to mine
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while I watched an evening's television.
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I'd look over and imagine
what we'd be talking about
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if he could speak.
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Then, at other times, you know,
I couldn't actually believe
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this was happening,
that this was my life, but...
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death gives no refunds.
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We spend so much time talking about me,
I don't... I feel I...
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hardly know anything about you.
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I don't even know if you're married.
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Ah, no, no...
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but I do have
my emotional attachments, um...
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OK, um...
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maybe a more simpler question.
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Do you remember, um,
when you first become aware of death?
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I grew up in a fishing village,
Brian, so...
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death surrounds you
when the sea's involved.
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00:13:24,401 --> 00:13:25,681
That and the poverty, you know?
252
00:13:27,721 --> 00:13:30,881
I saw my grandfather's corpse
when I was six years old.
253
00:13:31,601 --> 00:13:32,601
How did he die?
254
00:13:32,961 --> 00:13:34,321
At sea. He was a fisherman.
255
00:13:35,321 --> 00:13:38,001
And they brought his coffin back
to the house.
256
00:13:38,081 --> 00:13:39,281
It was normal back then.
257
00:13:39,801 --> 00:13:42,761
And my mother, um...
258
00:13:44,201 --> 00:13:46,257
woke me up and said,
"Do you want to see your grandad?"
259
00:13:46,281 --> 00:13:48,521
I went into the living room
he was there, in a box.
260
00:13:48,961 --> 00:13:50,241
How did they explain that?
261
00:13:50,361 --> 00:13:51,401
Well, they didn't.
262
00:13:52,441 --> 00:13:53,761
You didn't know that he was dead?
263
00:13:53,841 --> 00:13:55,561
No. They just said
he was sleeping.
264
00:13:55,721 --> 00:13:59,121
After he left, the mystery of death,
it always fascinated me.
265
00:13:59,481 --> 00:14:01,441
Sometimes I'd put talc on my face...
266
00:14:02,201 --> 00:14:04,561
paint my lips blue, and, um...
267
00:14:04,641 --> 00:14:06,281
and poke my eyes
'til they were bloodshot
268
00:14:06,481 --> 00:14:08,281
and just look in the mirror.
269
00:14:09,601 --> 00:14:11,321
To make yourself seem dead?
270
00:14:11,401 --> 00:14:12,401
Aye.
271
00:14:12,761 --> 00:14:15,001
And, this...
Was this by yourself, or...
272
00:14:18,081 --> 00:14:19,721
with somebody else there?
273
00:14:21,201 --> 00:14:22,201
Both.
274
00:14:24,001 --> 00:14:25,161
What would you do then?
275
00:14:27,081 --> 00:14:28,801
Well, I would just sit and stare.
276
00:14:30,961 --> 00:14:33,561
Imagining the abyss
as I touched him...
277
00:14:34,241 --> 00:14:36,441
and myself, in my own dead image.
278
00:14:37,041 --> 00:14:38,361
So, this is about sex.
279
00:14:38,761 --> 00:14:40,521
No. You keep looking
for these simple answers
280
00:14:40,601 --> 00:14:42,761
but you debase it to make it
purely about that.
281
00:14:42,841 --> 00:14:44,481
Well, I'm not trying
to simplify anything
282
00:14:44,561 --> 00:14:47,041
but you did have sex with these young men
after they had died.
283
00:14:47,121 --> 00:14:48,161
No, I did not!
284
00:14:49,081 --> 00:14:50,841
Did I enjoy them?
Yes.
285
00:14:50,921 --> 00:14:51,921
Did I...
286
00:14:52,721 --> 00:14:54,761
gain some satisfaction
287
00:14:54,841 --> 00:14:58,961
from looking at their naked bodies
next to mine in the mirror.
288
00:14:59,361 --> 00:15:00,481
But I didn't penetrate them.
289
00:15:00,881 --> 00:15:03,601
Look, look, the wicked thing
that I did was to squeeze the life
290
00:15:03,681 --> 00:15:05,361
out of a human being.
That was wrong.
291
00:15:05,961 --> 00:15:08,361
That was unforgivable.
I will be properly punished for it
292
00:15:08,441 --> 00:15:10,681
but what I did to a corpse
is neither here nor there.
293
00:15:11,241 --> 00:15:14,081
Brian, if you are more disgusted
by what I did to a corpse
294
00:15:14,161 --> 00:15:18,481
than what I did to a living man,
then your moral system is upside-down
295
00:15:18,561 --> 00:15:19,721
and needs overhauling.
296
00:15:23,241 --> 00:15:24,281
You're right.
297
00:15:25,801 --> 00:15:27,041
Um...
298
00:15:28,281 --> 00:15:30,921
I... didn't intend
to judge you.
299
00:15:35,281 --> 00:15:36,561
Let's go back to your childhood.
300
00:15:36,921 --> 00:15:38,081
Did you have many...
301
00:15:38,721 --> 00:15:39,721
many, friends at school?
302
00:15:40,201 --> 00:15:41,561
I'm glad we're doing this, Brian.
303
00:15:44,401 --> 00:15:45,401
Me too.
304
00:15:45,441 --> 00:15:46,921
It's nice to be listened to.
305
00:15:50,561 --> 00:15:51,801
It makes me feel human again.
306
00:15:52,921 --> 00:15:54,521
All these,
treating me like a criminal.
307
00:15:55,401 --> 00:15:57,521
Do you not consider yourself
to be a criminal?
308
00:15:57,601 --> 00:15:59,361
How I consider myself is obsolete.
309
00:15:59,721 --> 00:16:03,001
I deserve the right to be treated
as innocent until proven guilty...
310
00:16:03,081 --> 00:16:05,481
not have to wear the clothes
of a convicted felon
311
00:16:05,561 --> 00:16:07,281
whilst I wait for my day in court.
312
00:16:09,881 --> 00:16:11,201
Surely you can see that?
313
00:16:23,041 --> 00:16:25,041
We're sorry
about the result of the dig.
314
00:16:25,721 --> 00:16:27,041
We all share your disappointment.
315
00:16:27,201 --> 00:16:28,201
Thank you, um...
316
00:16:29,081 --> 00:16:32,361
it was a blow, but we have other points
of enquiry we are now investigating.
317
00:16:33,321 --> 00:16:34,521
There's been a development.
318
00:16:35,841 --> 00:16:38,881
Turns out that Nilsen has been getting
regular visits from a biographer.
319
00:16:39,641 --> 00:16:41,801
Apparently, his letter got through
the prison censors
320
00:16:41,881 --> 00:16:43,961
and they've been meeting
for a number of weeks.
321
00:16:44,281 --> 00:16:46,681
Our fear, here, is that it's only
a matter of time
322
00:16:46,761 --> 00:16:48,241
before the victims' identities...
323
00:16:48,761 --> 00:16:50,681
and especially one as well known
as Ockenden...
324
00:16:50,761 --> 00:16:52,161
become public knowledge.
325
00:16:52,241 --> 00:16:55,761
Therefore, we feel we need
to inform his family.
326
00:16:55,841 --> 00:16:58,601
We're still looking for confirmation
on Ockenden, sir.
327
00:16:59,081 --> 00:17:01,041
The only reason we've been patient
up until now
328
00:17:01,161 --> 00:17:03,201
was the hope that the dig
would give us something
329
00:17:03,281 --> 00:17:04,921
to tie Ockenden to Melrose.
330
00:17:05,641 --> 00:17:07,457
- But, it's been a month...
- I'm aware of that
331
00:17:07,481 --> 00:17:10,001
but if we had more men
and the word processor
332
00:17:10,081 --> 00:17:12,321
- I've requested again and again...
- Peter...
333
00:17:12,681 --> 00:17:14,881
there is nothing I would like more
than to find Ken...
334
00:17:15,601 --> 00:17:17,921
and to bring anyone
who harmed him to justice
335
00:17:18,001 --> 00:17:20,841
- but if we don't have any evidence by now...
- We'll find the evidence.
336
00:17:23,161 --> 00:17:24,881
I admire your confidence...
337
00:17:26,681 --> 00:17:31,321
but this investigation is beginning to harm
the reputation of the Metropolitan Police.
338
00:17:31,401 --> 00:17:33,721
We've only just repaired the damage
339
00:17:33,801 --> 00:17:34,801
done by the riots.
340
00:17:34,841 --> 00:17:36,241
How are we damaging its reputation?
341
00:17:36,281 --> 00:17:39,641
Because people are starting to ask
why this is all taking so long.
342
00:17:40,041 --> 00:17:42,481
- Do you know how an investigation works?
- Peter.
343
00:17:43,521 --> 00:17:44,961
Wait for me outside.
344
00:17:59,441 --> 00:18:00,481
What the hell was that?
345
00:18:00,561 --> 00:18:03,401
Top brass care more about their reputation
than finding these men.
346
00:18:03,481 --> 00:18:04,481
Oh, grow up.
347
00:18:04,521 --> 00:18:06,521
You're not the only one who cares
about this case.
348
00:18:07,801 --> 00:18:09,401
Let me give you some advice, Peter.
349
00:18:09,961 --> 00:18:11,481
Toe the fucking line.
350
00:18:15,841 --> 00:18:17,081
Yeah, that's fine.
351
00:18:17,521 --> 00:18:19,281
No, I don't mind holding
while you find out.
352
00:18:19,361 --> 00:18:20,401
What's going on?
353
00:18:20,481 --> 00:18:22,041
Healey thinks he's got "John".
354
00:18:22,121 --> 00:18:23,681
Now, don't bloody jinx it, Steve.
355
00:18:25,281 --> 00:18:26,841
All the guardsmen were accounted for
356
00:18:26,921 --> 00:18:28,481
so, we were screwed, basically.
357
00:18:28,521 --> 00:18:29,641
It was back to square one.
358
00:18:30,121 --> 00:18:31,441
I went to see the West End Branch
359
00:18:31,521 --> 00:18:35,281
asked them if they knew any Johns
from High Wycombe that frequented Soho.
360
00:18:35,481 --> 00:18:38,241
After giving me a load of grief
about the Ockenden case...
361
00:18:39,241 --> 00:18:40,241
they threw me a name.
362
00:18:41,921 --> 00:18:42,921
John Howlett.
363
00:18:43,761 --> 00:18:46,921
A ne'er do well,
in and out of different homes, as a kid
364
00:18:47,121 --> 00:18:48,561
well-known on the streets of Soho.
365
00:18:49,521 --> 00:18:50,601
Sound familiar?
366
00:18:50,681 --> 00:18:51,641
Yeah.
367
00:18:51,642 --> 00:18:54,522
Now we're just checking the blood type
from the remains in Cranley.
368
00:18:55,401 --> 00:18:56,401
OK.
369
00:18:56,441 --> 00:18:58,481
Yeah, I think we deserve a bit of luck,
don't you?
370
00:18:59,041 --> 00:19:00,041
- Hello, sir?
- Yes...
371
00:19:02,161 --> 00:19:03,161
Yep...
372
00:19:05,321 --> 00:19:07,041
OK. Thanks.
373
00:19:10,201 --> 00:19:11,201
We got a match!
374
00:19:13,121 --> 00:19:15,201
Great work, Chris!
375
00:19:15,601 --> 00:19:17,561
Why do you think Nilsen said
he was a guardsman?
376
00:19:18,601 --> 00:19:19,881
I got no idea.
377
00:19:20,641 --> 00:19:22,041
Right, first round's on me!
378
00:19:22,401 --> 00:19:23,401
You coming?
379
00:19:23,402 --> 00:19:24,802
Oh, I'll be there in a bit.
380
00:19:25,561 --> 00:19:27,161
Just gotta finish up here, first.
381
00:19:51,721 --> 00:19:53,441
I thought you were all down the pub?
382
00:19:55,241 --> 00:19:56,241
Are you, uh...
383
00:19:57,241 --> 00:19:58,641
looking for anything in particular?
384
00:19:59,161 --> 00:20:00,241
Kenneth Ockenden.
385
00:20:00,321 --> 00:20:03,361
Ah, well, you're not gonna find him in there.
That's the Cranley Gardens log.
386
00:20:03,681 --> 00:20:05,161
Did we fingerprint the camera?
387
00:20:05,361 --> 00:20:06,361
We did.
388
00:20:06,561 --> 00:20:07,921
What about the books we found?
389
00:20:08,361 --> 00:20:09,361
Yep, all the covers.
390
00:20:09,921 --> 00:20:10,921
But not the pages?
391
00:20:11,161 --> 00:20:12,737
How do you touch the pages
and not the covers?
392
00:20:12,761 --> 00:20:14,417
There's just a few books
that might give us something.
393
00:20:14,441 --> 00:20:17,841
The photography book, the London guide,
things like that. The A to Z.
394
00:20:20,961 --> 00:20:22,281
Guv. Is this a good use
of time?
395
00:20:28,321 --> 00:20:29,321
I'll see what I can do.
396
00:20:59,001 --> 00:21:00,001
Can he harm us?
397
00:21:00,961 --> 00:21:01,961
I don't see how.
398
00:21:03,001 --> 00:21:04,401
What do you think they talk about?
399
00:21:05,201 --> 00:21:06,241
I don't even wanna know.
400
00:21:06,321 --> 00:21:07,641
Keep her there. Guv!
401
00:21:08,401 --> 00:21:09,481
Woman at the front desk.
402
00:21:09,561 --> 00:21:11,561
Thinks her ex-partner might be
a possible victim.
403
00:21:11,921 --> 00:21:12,921
Cheers, Chris.
404
00:21:13,521 --> 00:21:14,921
Yeah, he's on his way down.
405
00:21:15,961 --> 00:21:17,241
Great.
406
00:21:17,921 --> 00:21:19,721
He went missing about a year ago.
407
00:21:22,281 --> 00:21:24,601
Last time I saw him,
he came to the house.
408
00:21:25,521 --> 00:21:27,161
We'd been separated a few months
409
00:21:27,241 --> 00:21:29,041
said he wanted to spend more time
with Shane.
410
00:21:29,761 --> 00:21:31,297
But I knew he was just there
for the money
411
00:21:31,321 --> 00:21:32,961
so he could go down
to Soho and score.
412
00:21:34,561 --> 00:21:35,561
We...
413
00:21:35,721 --> 00:21:37,361
we had an argument that day
and he left
414
00:21:38,001 --> 00:21:39,401
and I haven't seen him since.
415
00:21:40,321 --> 00:21:43,761
A week after that, he had a court date,
which he missed.
416
00:21:45,441 --> 00:21:47,441
And he always attended court,
no matter what.
417
00:21:48,041 --> 00:21:50,881
So, I went down to the job centre.
They told me he hadn't signed on
418
00:21:50,961 --> 00:21:53,521
so, then I rang his solicitor,
and they told me to wait a while
419
00:21:53,721 --> 00:21:54,761
and that he'd show up.
420
00:21:55,841 --> 00:21:56,841
But I knew.
421
00:21:58,401 --> 00:22:00,321
And then I saw you on the news
422
00:22:00,401 --> 00:22:03,121
and even though I know Graham wasn't bent,
just something...
423
00:22:04,121 --> 00:22:05,281
kept turning in my gut.
424
00:22:05,521 --> 00:22:07,241
Not all of his victims were gay.
425
00:22:08,001 --> 00:22:10,521
Some just needed a bed or some food.
426
00:22:14,641 --> 00:22:15,681
Do you have a photo?
427
00:22:16,841 --> 00:22:17,841
Yeah.
428
00:22:26,921 --> 00:22:28,441
So, he had criminal record?
429
00:22:29,241 --> 00:22:30,241
Of course.
430
00:22:31,721 --> 00:22:34,681
He almost wore it as a badge of honour,
y'know, him against the system.
431
00:22:36,481 --> 00:22:38,201
I just need to know what happened.
432
00:22:40,721 --> 00:22:43,041
I know he's been
a bit of a shit, but...
433
00:22:44,561 --> 00:22:45,561
he's Shane's dad.
434
00:22:49,681 --> 00:22:51,601
DCI Peter Jay to see Dennis Nilsen.
435
00:23:09,561 --> 00:23:11,161
I need you to identify some photos.
436
00:23:11,321 --> 00:23:12,321
How's Bleep?
437
00:23:13,201 --> 00:23:15,921
Well, you made it pretty busy for me
the last time I was here, Des.
438
00:23:17,401 --> 00:23:19,361
I haven't had chance
to find out about your dog.
439
00:23:24,001 --> 00:23:27,521
Graham Allen and John Howlett,
AKA "John the Guardsman".
440
00:23:28,001 --> 00:23:29,601
Although, he wasn't a guardsman,
was he?
441
00:23:31,161 --> 00:23:33,961
He was just another young man,
finding his way on the streets of Soho.
442
00:23:34,921 --> 00:23:39,321
I am sick of helping people
who take advantage of my good nature.
443
00:23:40,961 --> 00:23:42,641
I am deserving
of some more balance.
444
00:23:42,721 --> 00:23:44,041
What, like with your biographer?
445
00:23:49,641 --> 00:23:50,721
Did you kill these men?
446
00:23:54,441 --> 00:23:56,321
How many people did you kill
in Melrose Avenue?
447
00:23:58,361 --> 00:24:00,281
Did you kill Kenneth Ockenden?
448
00:24:01,121 --> 00:24:03,521
If I hadn't wanted you to,
you wouldn't have found me.
449
00:24:03,601 --> 00:24:04,921
So, why would I lie to you now?
450
00:24:04,961 --> 00:24:06,897
- Look at the photos.
- I've been convicted of no crimes
451
00:24:06,921 --> 00:24:09,801
as of yet, therefore I am innocent
until proven guilty!
452
00:24:09,841 --> 00:24:10,921
Where is this coming from?
453
00:24:11,001 --> 00:24:13,001
In Category A like some kind
of dangerous criminal.
454
00:24:13,081 --> 00:24:14,297
- Look at the photos...
- What am I gonna do?
455
00:24:14,321 --> 00:24:16,457
- ...and tell me if you killed these men.
- Escape? Intimidate a witness?
456
00:24:16,481 --> 00:24:18,121
- Des!
- I'm your only witness!
457
00:24:24,521 --> 00:24:27,361
This man has
a seven-year-old son.
458
00:24:30,081 --> 00:24:32,641
Do the right thing,
and look at the fucking photos.
459
00:24:41,481 --> 00:24:42,641
Did you kill this man?
460
00:24:49,321 --> 00:24:50,321
No comment.
461
00:25:05,801 --> 00:25:07,441
Detective Chief Inspector Peter Jay.
462
00:25:07,801 --> 00:25:09,441
- Brian Masters.
- Drink?
463
00:25:09,601 --> 00:25:10,881
Uh, no, thank you.
464
00:25:19,361 --> 00:25:21,641
You found it alright, then?
465
00:25:21,721 --> 00:25:22,881
Oh, yes, no trouble at all.
466
00:25:23,001 --> 00:25:24,001
Good.
467
00:25:30,521 --> 00:25:31,761
So, uh...
468
00:25:32,961 --> 00:25:34,241
how long have you been writing?
469
00:25:35,121 --> 00:25:37,361
About 15 years. You?
470
00:25:37,521 --> 00:25:40,001
I mean... how long
have you been a policeman?
471
00:25:40,081 --> 00:25:41,161
Nearly 23 years.
472
00:25:43,561 --> 00:25:46,361
How many books have you written
about people like Nilsen?
473
00:25:46,641 --> 00:25:48,681
Well, this is my first.
474
00:25:50,081 --> 00:25:51,081
Then...
475
00:25:51,281 --> 00:25:52,841
let me give you some advice, hm?
476
00:25:54,841 --> 00:25:55,841
Walk away.
477
00:25:56,201 --> 00:25:59,641
Well, with all due respect,
Mr Jay, I'm...
478
00:26:00,241 --> 00:26:02,201
I didn't approach this naively.
479
00:26:02,401 --> 00:26:03,601
Well, why approach it at all?
480
00:26:04,841 --> 00:26:07,601
You think you can understand
these things he did?
481
00:26:08,441 --> 00:26:11,961
I'm not sure that "understanding"
is useful here.
482
00:26:12,681 --> 00:26:15,161
The term is emotional,
and more often than not
483
00:26:15,241 --> 00:26:16,361
it leads us to answers
484
00:26:16,441 --> 00:26:18,601
that are more indicative
of our own prejudices.
485
00:26:19,401 --> 00:26:23,281
It's not about understanding,
it's about comprehending.
486
00:26:23,521 --> 00:26:24,601
Isn't that the same thing?
487
00:26:27,161 --> 00:26:28,361
Humans kill.
488
00:26:28,881 --> 00:26:30,281
It's in our nature...
489
00:26:31,001 --> 00:26:34,041
out of fits of rage or jealousy,
or self-defence.
490
00:26:34,681 --> 00:26:39,721
But, to kill so many men
without any real reason...
491
00:26:40,201 --> 00:26:45,401
I think it's important we try
to comprehend why this happened
492
00:26:45,841 --> 00:26:48,721
and how this person came to pass.
493
00:26:50,441 --> 00:26:53,001
I need you to tell us everything
that Nilsen's told you
494
00:26:53,081 --> 00:26:54,561
about the identities of his victims.
495
00:26:55,361 --> 00:26:59,081
Well, I don't have any more information
than you already have.
496
00:26:59,281 --> 00:27:01,001
Well, you've been talking
for months.
497
00:27:01,041 --> 00:27:04,041
We talk about other things.
498
00:27:04,121 --> 00:27:05,041
Such as?
499
00:27:05,042 --> 00:27:07,802
His childhood.
His time in the army.
500
00:27:08,081 --> 00:27:09,401
Ah, was he killing in the army?
501
00:27:09,641 --> 00:27:10,641
No.
502
00:27:11,561 --> 00:27:13,161
How often have you been visiting him?
503
00:27:13,881 --> 00:27:14,881
Once or twice a week.
504
00:27:15,281 --> 00:27:17,401
- When's the last time you saw him?
- Four days ago.
505
00:27:18,121 --> 00:27:19,801
And, he wrote to you?
506
00:27:20,401 --> 00:27:21,521
No, I wrote to him!
507
00:27:23,761 --> 00:27:26,601
I'm not really sure why we're here.
508
00:27:30,081 --> 00:27:32,761
Nilsen is no longer helping us
with our investigation.
509
00:27:34,801 --> 00:27:35,801
Since when?
510
00:27:36,241 --> 00:27:37,361
What, he didn't tell you?
511
00:27:39,921 --> 00:27:41,961
Has he ever mentioned Kenneth Ockenden?
512
00:27:42,041 --> 00:27:44,161
- Did he kill Kenneth Ockenden?
- I didn't say that.
513
00:27:48,441 --> 00:27:51,681
If he mentions any names,
you have a duty to report them to us.
514
00:27:53,401 --> 00:27:54,881
Oh, it's not as simple as that.
515
00:27:55,201 --> 00:27:57,521
Perverting the course of justice
is very simple.
516
00:28:01,041 --> 00:28:04,961
If you are suggesting that I had anything
to do with retracting his cooperation
517
00:28:05,041 --> 00:28:07,281
then you are gravely mistaken, Mr Jay.
518
00:28:10,801 --> 00:28:13,401
And if you wish to take this
conversation any further
519
00:28:13,481 --> 00:28:16,001
then maybe I should telephone
my solicitor.
520
00:28:20,841 --> 00:28:24,001
If you wanted to write a book about Nilsen,
you should have come to us first.
521
00:28:25,041 --> 00:28:26,521
We'd have given you the real story.
522
00:28:27,801 --> 00:28:30,241
But you're so fucking fascinated
by him, aren't you?
523
00:28:38,281 --> 00:28:39,841
- Afternoon.
- Good afternoon.
524
00:28:56,121 --> 00:28:58,321
Ever since I've come
to this hell on Earth
525
00:28:58,401 --> 00:29:01,881
I have been disrespected,
abused, humiliated.
526
00:29:01,961 --> 00:29:04,121
I have done nothing but help
an investigation
527
00:29:04,721 --> 00:29:06,521
for which I've not
yet been convicted.
528
00:29:06,801 --> 00:29:08,601
Nobody cares about my years
of public service.
529
00:29:09,081 --> 00:29:11,001
My work with the unions,
that goes unnoticed.
530
00:29:11,281 --> 00:29:12,961
Why didn't you mention
Kenneth Ockenden?
531
00:29:13,841 --> 00:29:15,521
You've spoken to Mr Jay, I see.
532
00:29:15,961 --> 00:29:17,121
Yes, he contacted me.
533
00:29:20,001 --> 00:29:21,001
Yeah.
534
00:29:24,601 --> 00:29:26,841
I didn't mention Ken
because he's the one I regret.
535
00:29:27,681 --> 00:29:29,641
The day we spent together
was so happy.
536
00:29:29,721 --> 00:29:31,401
The happiest I'd been all year.
537
00:29:31,481 --> 00:29:33,281
Unlike the others,
his death was a kinda...
538
00:29:34,081 --> 00:29:37,281
cruel and horrid parody
of what could've been.
539
00:29:38,801 --> 00:29:41,961
Well, do you not feel any guilt
or remorse?
540
00:29:42,401 --> 00:29:43,401
Why?
541
00:29:44,561 --> 00:29:47,401
They live with me in my cell, Brian.
542
00:29:49,121 --> 00:29:50,121
All of them.
543
00:29:50,122 --> 00:29:53,082
How can I feel remorse
when I've taken those pains into myself?
544
00:29:53,241 --> 00:29:54,401
That's obscene.
545
00:29:55,521 --> 00:29:58,041
Look, I'd give anything
for any one of them to walk in here
546
00:29:58,121 --> 00:29:59,561
right now and shoot me dead.
547
00:30:00,121 --> 00:30:04,441
But, the sad fact, is they had to die
to get attention for their plights
548
00:30:04,561 --> 00:30:07,641
because the public pious aftercare
comes too late
549
00:30:07,721 --> 00:30:11,801
and when this is all over,
the Des Nilsens, and the Stephen Sinclairs
550
00:30:11,881 --> 00:30:15,041
and Martyn Duffeys of this world,
will still stagger along...
551
00:30:15,721 --> 00:30:20,121
unnoticed and alone,
because society is more interested
552
00:30:20,201 --> 00:30:21,521
in death than it is in life.
553
00:30:21,641 --> 00:30:26,521
But these people that you mention,
they weren't Kenneth Ockenden.
554
00:30:26,921 --> 00:30:27,921
You say so yourself.
555
00:30:27,961 --> 00:30:31,521
So, what was it that made you kill
Kenneth Ockenden?
556
00:30:32,561 --> 00:30:33,561
He was...
557
00:30:36,121 --> 00:30:37,241
They were all my type.
558
00:30:38,601 --> 00:30:39,761
As simple as that?
559
00:30:42,521 --> 00:30:44,721
Uh, I once strangled and drowned
a young man
560
00:30:44,801 --> 00:30:49,761
and then when he was on the bed,
I noticed Bleep licking his face.
561
00:30:50,601 --> 00:30:51,601
He was still alive.
562
00:30:53,201 --> 00:30:54,361
So, I resuscitated him...
563
00:30:54,921 --> 00:30:57,921
and he was very confused when he came to.
He didn't know what had happened.
564
00:30:59,081 --> 00:31:01,041
And he was there for days,
me taking care of him.
565
00:31:01,481 --> 00:31:03,481
And then, uh,
when he was well enough to leave
566
00:31:03,561 --> 00:31:05,121
I took him up to Highgate Station
567
00:31:05,201 --> 00:31:08,081
and we arranged to meet again,
the week after.
568
00:31:08,961 --> 00:31:11,481
Well, the week after came and went,
he never came back.
569
00:31:13,081 --> 00:31:14,761
Perhaps he should've stayed in my flat.
570
00:31:18,401 --> 00:31:22,081
The thought of them leaving,
triggered the impulse?
571
00:31:22,321 --> 00:31:23,481
Everybody leaves.
572
00:31:23,841 --> 00:31:26,881
Friends, colleagues, boyfriends,
they all disappear eventually.
573
00:31:27,401 --> 00:31:30,761
My grandfather,
my great hero and protector
574
00:31:30,801 --> 00:31:32,881
was the only person that I ever loved.
575
00:31:34,641 --> 00:31:37,481
Seeing my grandfather in that box...
576
00:31:39,601 --> 00:31:41,121
all my troubles started there.
577
00:31:41,721 --> 00:31:44,361
See, it blighted my personality,
permanently.
578
00:31:44,881 --> 00:31:46,361
That's why I did all these things.
579
00:31:47,081 --> 00:31:48,641
That and the booze and the music.
580
00:31:49,761 --> 00:31:51,841
It whipped me up in a sort of...
581
00:31:53,681 --> 00:31:56,841
frenzied fantasy, that brought the devil
and the darkness
582
00:31:56,921 --> 00:31:58,561
but without that, I'm harmless.
583
00:31:58,641 --> 00:31:59,641
No, Des, no.
584
00:31:59,761 --> 00:32:01,321
No, it is not your place
585
00:32:02,081 --> 00:32:03,081
to make...
586
00:32:04,361 --> 00:32:06,201
objective reasons
why you did these things
587
00:32:06,641 --> 00:32:08,841
especially with this spurious logic.
588
00:32:09,561 --> 00:32:11,041
Whose place is it then?
Is it yours?
589
00:32:11,081 --> 00:32:14,601
No. This book cannot be
a subjective look at your...
590
00:32:14,681 --> 00:32:15,841
your-your life and...
591
00:32:15,921 --> 00:32:17,761
and your... your actions.
592
00:32:18,041 --> 00:32:20,401
We, both of us, we must remain objective.
593
00:32:21,241 --> 00:32:24,561
And if there are any lessons
to be learned, it is up to the reader
594
00:32:24,961 --> 00:32:26,481
to decide, not us.
595
00:32:27,281 --> 00:32:30,761
All these ruminations and hypothesis
may be very helpful to you
596
00:32:30,841 --> 00:32:34,161
but, you know...
it can't be the end of the road.
597
00:32:35,401 --> 00:32:37,881
That's not what I'm here for.
598
00:32:42,161 --> 00:32:45,081
Uh, Brian, would you do me a kindness?
I need to find out about my dog.
599
00:32:45,161 --> 00:32:46,201
Could you do that for me?
600
00:32:51,601 --> 00:32:53,321
Yes... I'll see what I can do.
601
00:33:07,321 --> 00:33:08,321
Peter...
602
00:33:08,401 --> 00:33:09,561
you gotta come and see this.
603
00:33:17,921 --> 00:33:18,961
- Brian?
- Guv...
604
00:33:19,441 --> 00:33:22,161
We got a partial print
off the A-Z, which ain't Nilsen's.
605
00:33:23,241 --> 00:33:24,521
Looks like Ockenden's.
606
00:33:26,241 --> 00:33:27,241
You sure?
607
00:33:42,761 --> 00:33:44,001
Hell of a hunch, Guv.
608
00:34:14,841 --> 00:34:16,641
Ah... thank you.
609
00:34:17,001 --> 00:34:20,401
Peter, this is Commander Lockwood.
You know Russell.
610
00:34:20,481 --> 00:34:21,561
Good to meet you, sir.
611
00:34:22,721 --> 00:34:24,281
Peter, I'd like to congratulate you.
612
00:34:25,001 --> 00:34:27,561
Although we were all understandably
sceptical at first...
613
00:34:28,521 --> 00:34:31,361
Ockenden is a huge weight off this Force.
614
00:34:31,721 --> 00:34:32,721
Thank you, sir.
615
00:34:33,041 --> 00:34:36,161
It wasn't the easiest one for us
but it shows we are getting through it.
616
00:34:36,361 --> 00:34:38,761
Well, obviously these things
can't last forever...
617
00:34:39,081 --> 00:34:41,361
and upstairs feel that...
618
00:34:41,441 --> 00:34:45,681
confirming Ockenden
is a natural place to wrap things up.
619
00:34:45,761 --> 00:34:47,441
Therefore, a decision has been made.
620
00:34:48,121 --> 00:34:50,521
We're going to charge him
with six murders...
621
00:34:51,361 --> 00:34:53,001
and bring the investigation
to a close.
622
00:34:53,081 --> 00:34:54,081
Sir...
623
00:34:55,401 --> 00:34:57,121
if I may, I think this is a mistake.
624
00:34:57,401 --> 00:35:00,721
We have leads which I'm sure
will bring us more names.
625
00:35:00,801 --> 00:35:02,881
A woman called Lesley Mead
has come forward.
626
00:35:03,281 --> 00:35:05,321
We suspect her ex-partner
might be a victim...
627
00:35:05,401 --> 00:35:10,001
Detective. We have spent a fortune
on your team's overtime alone.
628
00:35:10,681 --> 00:35:12,921
Six murders. He never gets out.
629
00:35:13,081 --> 00:35:14,521
Charging him with six is a joke.
630
00:35:14,601 --> 00:35:15,521
- Peter.
- No, but, Guv...
631
00:35:15,522 --> 00:35:17,242
The decision has been made.
632
00:35:17,321 --> 00:35:18,601
Please, sir, if I may.
633
00:35:19,041 --> 00:35:22,681
There are at least nine families
who will never get closure if we stop now.
634
00:35:22,761 --> 00:35:25,481
We just need more time
and we'll find all 15, I'm sure of it.
635
00:35:25,761 --> 00:35:28,281
But we're not even sure
he killed 15, are we?
636
00:35:29,041 --> 00:35:31,721
And now that he's stopped talking to us,
perhaps we'll never know.
637
00:35:33,241 --> 00:35:36,481
No. It's time for you and your team
to move on, Peter.
638
00:35:37,721 --> 00:35:38,721
Hm.
639
00:35:39,001 --> 00:35:41,201
I'm sure your families will be
very happy to see you.
640
00:36:02,441 --> 00:36:03,481
Can I, um...
641
00:36:04,041 --> 00:36:05,721
can I have everybody's attention?
642
00:36:08,601 --> 00:36:10,801
Scotland Yard have just given the order
to shut us down
643
00:36:10,881 --> 00:36:12,521
and to charge him with the six we've got.
644
00:36:19,481 --> 00:36:21,441
I can't tell you how proud I am
of this team...
645
00:36:23,161 --> 00:36:25,921
and of the work that we've done together
over the past four months.
646
00:36:27,801 --> 00:36:28,841
The six we found...
647
00:36:31,201 --> 00:36:34,281
well, that's the kind of police work
you can't just do from behind a desk.
648
00:36:36,441 --> 00:36:37,721
You're a credit to yourselves...
649
00:36:39,361 --> 00:36:40,361
and each other.
650
00:36:44,361 --> 00:36:45,361
Thank you.
651
00:37:01,881 --> 00:37:04,281
Nilsen, a 37-year-old civil servant
652
00:37:04,481 --> 00:37:07,121
was arrested and charged
after human remains were discovered
653
00:37:07,241 --> 00:37:09,441
at two properties in North London.
654
00:37:10,161 --> 00:37:11,561
He has now been committed to trial
655
00:37:11,641 --> 00:37:14,761
for six charges of murder
and two attempted murders.
656
00:37:15,121 --> 00:37:18,521
The former police officer is due to appear
in court later this week
657
00:37:18,801 --> 00:37:22,161
where he is expected
to plead guilty on all charges.
658
00:37:39,401 --> 00:37:40,401
Peter...
659
00:37:42,241 --> 00:37:43,241
Steve!
660
00:37:43,521 --> 00:37:44,681
Can I get you anything?
661
00:37:44,761 --> 00:37:46,241
No, I'm fine.
Thank you.
662
00:37:46,321 --> 00:37:47,377
I'll leave you to it.
663
00:37:47,401 --> 00:37:48,401
Thanks, love.
664
00:37:48,521 --> 00:37:49,521
How have you been?
665
00:37:50,561 --> 00:37:51,561
Yeah, not bad.
666
00:37:53,161 --> 00:37:54,161
What have you got?
667
00:37:54,162 --> 00:37:55,442
It's about the Nilsen case.
668
00:37:55,721 --> 00:37:57,801
Of the remains found
in Cranley Gardens...
669
00:37:58,201 --> 00:38:02,401
one of the jaw bones had scars
on both sides of the jaw due to a fracture.
670
00:38:03,521 --> 00:38:04,521
Take a seat, mate.
671
00:38:04,921 --> 00:38:07,361
Graham Allen had his jaw broke
in a fight. It's in his record.
672
00:38:07,841 --> 00:38:08,881
Well...
673
00:38:08,961 --> 00:38:10,561
that doesn't necessarily mean
it's Allen.
674
00:38:11,121 --> 00:38:13,081
So, Bowen goes to Allen's odontologist
675
00:38:13,721 --> 00:38:16,041
finds a denture that he had made
but never picked up.
676
00:38:16,601 --> 00:38:17,601
It fit the jaw.
677
00:38:18,001 --> 00:38:20,121
Graham Allen is the third victim
of Cranley Gardens.
678
00:38:26,321 --> 00:38:28,161
When he came round
to the house that day...
679
00:38:30,961 --> 00:38:32,721
the last thing that
I said to him was...
680
00:38:35,561 --> 00:38:37,041
"I hope that you never come back".
681
00:38:40,841 --> 00:38:42,401
He'd have known you didn't mean that.
682
00:38:43,761 --> 00:38:44,761
Would he?
683
00:38:45,281 --> 00:38:46,281
Sorry.
684
00:38:51,641 --> 00:38:52,881
Would he have...
685
00:38:54,681 --> 00:38:55,681
felt any pain?
686
00:38:57,201 --> 00:38:58,201
I don't think so.
687
00:39:00,281 --> 00:39:01,281
OK
688
00:39:05,201 --> 00:39:06,321
Lesley, um...
689
00:39:10,321 --> 00:39:12,921
you know we have already
charged Nilsen?
690
00:39:13,841 --> 00:39:16,122
That indictment has already been
written up and processed.
691
00:39:20,521 --> 00:39:21,521
What are you saying?
692
00:39:27,801 --> 00:39:30,441
We can't add Graham's name
to the list of Nilsen's victims.
693
00:39:35,361 --> 00:39:36,361
Well...
694
00:39:37,081 --> 00:39:40,081
- But you just said that he killed him.
- He did.
695
00:39:40,921 --> 00:39:43,201
But the court has a time limit
to add names...
696
00:39:45,081 --> 00:39:46,761
and that passed a few days ago.
697
00:40:01,761 --> 00:40:04,081
So, Graham doesn't get any justice?
698
00:40:06,241 --> 00:40:07,241
I'm afraid not.
699
00:40:21,721 --> 00:40:23,241
The Guv called me
when I was on leave.
700
00:40:25,321 --> 00:40:28,601
He said that our squad was being
"seriously considered" for a commendation.
701
00:40:29,201 --> 00:40:31,161
I think he thought it would
make me feel better
702
00:40:31,441 --> 00:40:33,201
but all it did was make me more angry.
703
00:40:36,801 --> 00:40:39,161
You've got, uh, two kids, right?
704
00:40:39,241 --> 00:40:41,001
Sorry, Steve, I should know that.
705
00:40:42,041 --> 00:40:43,041
Four.
706
00:40:43,401 --> 00:40:44,561
Two boys, two girls.
707
00:40:47,961 --> 00:40:49,001
Linda wants another.
708
00:40:49,361 --> 00:40:52,041
Well, I mean our first,
another for me.
709
00:40:53,441 --> 00:40:54,441
You not so much?
710
00:40:54,681 --> 00:40:55,681
Well, I'd like to.
711
00:40:57,721 --> 00:40:59,401
But I've already
fucked it up four times.
712
00:41:00,321 --> 00:41:01,521
This job does that.
713
00:41:02,761 --> 00:41:03,761
How are the boys?
714
00:41:06,881 --> 00:41:08,161
I haven't seen them for a while.
715
00:41:09,521 --> 00:41:10,921
I'm sorry to hear that, Peter.
716
00:41:11,921 --> 00:41:13,321
We should have stopped him, Steve.
717
00:41:15,121 --> 00:41:16,801
We caught him first chance we could.
718
00:41:17,121 --> 00:41:18,161
We should have known.
719
00:41:18,481 --> 00:41:21,121
Ah, sometimes it's just not possible.
720
00:41:21,321 --> 00:41:22,601
I mean, he-he had a...
721
00:41:23,121 --> 00:41:25,161
a normal life, a normal job...
722
00:41:27,041 --> 00:41:28,481
You going to the committal hearing?
723
00:41:28,841 --> 00:41:30,481
Yeah. You?
724
00:41:30,641 --> 00:41:31,641
Aye.
725
00:41:32,081 --> 00:41:33,561
I can't wait
for it all to be over.
726
00:41:34,681 --> 00:41:37,801
D'you know that he was the one that wrote
the letters about the blocked drains?
727
00:41:38,721 --> 00:41:41,201
Told his landlord he wouldn't pay rent
until they were cleaned.
728
00:41:41,241 --> 00:41:44,401
I mean, this whole thing,
it's always been to Nilsen's script.
729
00:41:56,241 --> 00:41:57,241
Brian?
730
00:41:57,561 --> 00:41:58,561
Ah, hello?
731
00:42:01,361 --> 00:42:02,721
A dog's home called for you.
732
00:42:03,561 --> 00:42:06,801
They said further to your enquiry,
Nilsen's dog has been put down.
733
00:42:08,681 --> 00:42:11,361
He asked me to find out about his dog,
that's all.
734
00:42:14,121 --> 00:42:15,441
I need to get him to trust me
735
00:42:16,041 --> 00:42:17,441
otherwise all this is for nothing.
736
00:42:17,841 --> 00:42:20,041
So, what, now you're doing errands for him?
737
00:42:20,321 --> 00:42:21,321
Oh, come on.
738
00:42:23,321 --> 00:42:26,921
Someone who knows our world,
our community needs to write this
739
00:42:27,001 --> 00:42:29,297
otherwise they'll get it wrong.
I mean, they'll fuck it up.
740
00:42:29,321 --> 00:42:30,321
They already are.
741
00:42:31,881 --> 00:42:33,521
Please... please try
and understand.
742
00:42:36,881 --> 00:42:39,241
Just make sure it's not him
who's writing it.
743
00:43:01,121 --> 00:43:03,521
Inspector, having spent so much
time with Nilsen
744
00:43:03,601 --> 00:43:05,321
can you tell us,
what is he really like?
745
00:43:05,681 --> 00:43:07,617
- Unremarkable.
- What makes you say that?
746
00:43:07,641 --> 00:43:10,561
Just six positive IDs, Detective,
how does that make you feel?
747
00:43:30,241 --> 00:43:31,481
It's a wee surprise, Brian.
748
00:43:32,401 --> 00:43:33,761
Hello there, Des, uh...
749
00:43:34,921 --> 00:43:35,921
how are you doing?
750
00:43:36,721 --> 00:43:38,041
Ah, can't complain.
751
00:43:38,201 --> 00:43:39,281
If I did, who'd listen?
752
00:43:41,121 --> 00:43:42,121
Des... um...
753
00:43:45,001 --> 00:43:49,121
Bleep was put down
by the dog's home.
754
00:43:50,921 --> 00:43:55,521
She became ill not soon after
you'd been arrested, and...
755
00:43:56,561 --> 00:44:00,321
they thought that it would be
kinder that way.
756
00:44:02,921 --> 00:44:05,241
She forgave me everything
and never let me down.
757
00:44:07,201 --> 00:44:08,897
And then in the moment
of her greatest crisis
758
00:44:08,921 --> 00:44:10,041
I wasn't even there for her.
759
00:44:13,881 --> 00:44:15,201
How's the book progressing?
760
00:44:17,441 --> 00:44:19,481
Oh, it's coming along very well,
thank you, um...
761
00:44:20,241 --> 00:44:23,201
I'm currently writing about
your experiences in Arden.
762
00:44:23,801 --> 00:44:26,561
Well... another place the British Army
should have never been.
763
00:44:27,881 --> 00:44:30,321
When they came to get me,
I thought you were my solicitor.
764
00:44:31,401 --> 00:44:32,641
Oh, sorry?
Solicitor?
765
00:44:32,721 --> 00:44:35,241
I thought you'd dispensed
with your legal aid?
766
00:44:35,881 --> 00:44:38,401
"Change is the only constant in life".
Who said that?
767
00:44:39,001 --> 00:44:40,001
Heraclitus.
768
00:44:40,361 --> 00:44:41,361
Yeah.
769
00:44:42,721 --> 00:44:44,121
No, well, this solicitor...
770
00:44:44,201 --> 00:44:47,001
This one has a tax-deductible heart,
but needs must, y'know?
771
00:44:48,521 --> 00:44:49,921
Right, well, I'll, um...
772
00:44:51,681 --> 00:44:52,681
I'll see you up there.
773
00:44:54,561 --> 00:44:56,081
I do want to thank you, Brian.
774
00:44:59,001 --> 00:45:00,001
For what?
775
00:45:00,721 --> 00:45:01,721
Your company.
776
00:45:39,201 --> 00:45:40,361
All rise.
777
00:45:58,281 --> 00:46:00,361
Dennis Andrew Nilsen...
778
00:46:01,721 --> 00:46:03,361
on count one of this indictment
779
00:46:03,481 --> 00:46:06,041
you are charged with the murder
of Stephen Sinclair.
780
00:46:07,041 --> 00:46:08,441
How say you?
781
00:46:08,961 --> 00:46:10,961
Are you guilty or not guilty?
782
00:46:14,281 --> 00:46:15,281
Not guilty.
783
00:46:15,361 --> 00:46:17,281
On count two
784
00:46:17,681 --> 00:46:20,121
you are charged with the murder
of Kenneth Ockenden.
785
00:46:20,201 --> 00:46:22,801
How say you,
guilty or not guilty?
786
00:46:23,441 --> 00:46:24,441
Not guilty.
787
00:46:24,681 --> 00:46:26,321
On count three,
you are charged
788
00:46:26,401 --> 00:46:27,801
with the murder of John Howlett.
789
00:46:28,201 --> 00:46:30,401
How say you,
guilty or not guilty?
790
00:46:31,321 --> 00:46:32,441
Not guilty.
60583
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