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>> On this episode of "death
row stories" --
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row stories" --
>> we had a stabbing homicide.
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>> We had a stabbing homicide.
>> -- A brutal murder in a
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>> -- a brutal murder in a
Phoenix bar --
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Phoenix bar --
>> she was on her back. Her
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>> she was on her back. Her
clothing was strewn around the
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clothing was strewn around the
restroom.
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Restroom.
>> -- And a gruesome signature
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>> -- and a gruesome signature
left at the scene.
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Left at the scene.
>> We thought we had a murder
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>> we thought we had a murder
with a disfigured tooth.
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With a disfigured tooth.
>> Crooked teeth put bite-Mark
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>> crooked teeth put bite-Mark
science on trial and an air
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science on trial and an air
force veteran on death row.
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Force veteran on death row.
>> There was no way that raised
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>> there was no way that raised
teeth could have made those
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teeth could have made those
marks.
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Marks.
>> The blood didn't match. The
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>> the blood didn't match. The
fingerprints didn't match.
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Fingerprints didn't match.
>> They hid this evidence until
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>> they hid this evidence until
the very last minute.
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The very last minute.
>> They wanted the death
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>> they wanted the death
penalty. They were gonna do
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penalty. They were gonna do
everything they could to make
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everything they could to make
sure it happened.
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Sure it happened.
>> This was our justice system.
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>> This was our justice system.
But it turned out that this
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but it turned out that this
system be about the truth.
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System be about the truth.
>> There's a body in the water.
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>> There's a body in the water.
>> He was butchered and
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>> he was butchered and
murdered.
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Murdered.
>> Many people proclaim their
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>> many people proclaim their
innocence.
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Innocence.
>> In this case, there are a
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>> in this case, there are a
number of things that stink.
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Number of things that stink.
>> This man is remorseless.
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>> This man is remorseless.
>> He needs to pay for it with
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>> he needs to pay for it with
his life.
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His life.
>> The electric chair flashed
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>> the electric chair flashed
in front of my eyes.
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In front of my eyes.
>> Get a conviction at all
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>> get a conviction at all
costs. Let the truth fall where
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costs. Let the truth fall where
it may.
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1991. Kim ancona was a single
mother. She had just had a
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mother. She had just had a
wonderful new thing in her
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wonderful new thing in her
life. She was a bartender who
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life. She was a bartender who
had just been made a manager of
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had just been made a manager of
the CBS bar in Phoenix,
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the CBS bar in Phoenix,
Arizona. The CBS lounge was a
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Arizona. The CBS lounge was a
nice bar to go to. It was in a
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nice bar to go to. It was in a
strip mall in Phoenix.
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Strip mall in Phoenix.
>> I worked literally right
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>> I worked literally right
behind the bar she was working
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behind the bar she was working
at, so I would stop on my way
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at, so I would stop on my way
into work or on my way home
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into work or on my way home
from work, stop in and hang out
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from work, stop in and hang out
with her, have a couple of
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with her, have a couple of
cokes, and play darts. I would
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cokes, and play darts. I would
see her every day.
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See her every day.
>> That night, when we were
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>> that night, when we were
getting ready to leave the bar,
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getting ready to leave the bar,
for Kim closing up, we asked
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for Kim closing up, we asked
her if she needed any help. She
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her if she needed any help. She
said no, that she was going
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said no, that she was going
home.
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Home.
>> She had called me and asked
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>> she had called me and asked
me if I could find her a bag of
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me if I could find her a bag of
weed, and I told her I would
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weed, and I told her I would
try. And I called her back
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try. And I called her back
later. I was unsuccessful, and
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later. I was unsuccessful, and
she said that was fine. And
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she said that was fine. And
that was the last time I spoke
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that was the last time I spoke
to her.
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To her.
>> In the early-morning hours
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>> in the early-morning hours
of December 29, 1991, the owner
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of December 29, 1991, the owner
of the CBS lounge arrived to
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of the CBS lounge arrived to
open the bar.
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Open the bar.
>> The first thing he noticed
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>> the first thing he noticed
was that the front door was
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was that the front door was
open. It had not been locked.
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Open. It had not been locked.
So he went in. Everything
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so he went in. Everything
looked like it had been cleaned
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looked like it had been cleaned
up. But he noticed that Kim
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up. But he noticed that Kim
ancona's purse was on the bar.
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Ancona's purse was on the bar.
Then he went into the men's
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then he went into the men's
room and saw her body.
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Room and saw her body.
>> I got a call to roll up to
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>> I got a call to roll up to
17th Avenue in camelback, which
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17th Avenue in camelback, which
is where CBS was. We had a
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is where CBS was. We had a
stabbing homicide. There could
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stabbing homicide. There could
have been sexual assault.
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Have been sexual assault.
>> She was on her back. She was
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>> she was on her back. She was
naked. Her clothing was strewn
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naked. Her clothing was strewn
around the restroom. It had
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around the restroom. It had
been cut off her body. She had
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been cut off her body. She had
multiple wounds around her neck,
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multiple wounds around her neck,
around her body.
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Around her body.
>> Kim ancona had been stabbed
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>> Kim ancona had been stabbed
from behind multiple times with
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from behind multiple times with
a kitchen knife. Detectives
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a kitchen knife. Detectives
found the murder weapon in the
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found the murder weapon in the
bathroom trash can.
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Bathroom trash can.
>> The knife was actually bent
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>> the knife was actually bent
significantly. Later, at
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significantly. Later, at
autopsy, it was determined that
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autopsy, it was determined that
probably occurred when the
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probably occurred when the
knife hit bone, which indicates,
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knife hit bone, which indicates,
you know, somebody very
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you know, somebody very
powerfully stabbed her. So this
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powerfully stabbed her. So this
was just a horrific crime.
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Was just a horrific crime.
>> I was riding my 10-speed to
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>> I was riding my 10-speed to
work and cutting through that
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work and cutting through that
parking lot, and I saw the
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parking lot, and I saw the
yellow tape around her car. And
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yellow tape around her car. And
as I rode up, I wanted to see
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as I rode up, I wanted to see
what was going on, because, of
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what was going on, because, of
course, my mom's car is covered
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course, my mom's car is covered
in tape. And one of the
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in tape. And one of the
detectives took me aside, and
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detectives took me aside, and
he said that my mother is no
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he said that my mother is no
longer with US and that she has
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longer with US and that she has
been killed. I was in shock. I
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been killed. I was in shock. I
couldn't believe it. Be honest,
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couldn't believe it. Be honest,
I'm still in shock, you know?
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I'm still in shock, you know?
It's probably the worst thing
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it's probably the worst thing
that I could have ever heard.
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That I could have ever heard.
>> At the crime scene, police
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>> at the crime scene, police
examined Kim's body and
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examined Kim's body and
discovered strange marks on her
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discovered strange marks on her
torso.
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Torso.
>> They saw on the body lesions,
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>> they saw on the body lesions,
it looked like bite marks, both
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it looked like bite marks, both
on her neck and on her left
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on her neck and on her left
breast. So they called a
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breast. So they called a
dentist who worked for the
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dentist who worked for the
medical examiner's office, Dr.
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Medical examiner's office, Dr.
John piakis.
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John piakis.
>> They were distinctive bite
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>> they were distinctive bite
marks, and the teeth didn't
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marks, and the teeth didn't
really line up the way you
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really line up the way you
would see them on your crest
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would see them on your crest
commercial or whatever. So we
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commercial or whatever. So we
thought we had somebody with a
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thought we had somebody with a
disfigured tooth.
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Disfigured tooth.
>> Police began questioning the
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>> police began questioning the
bar's patrons and employees.
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Bar's patrons and employees.
One name kept coming up.
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One name kept coming up.
>> Several people that we
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>> several people that we
talked to got the name ray as
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talked to got the name ray as
somebody that she had been out
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somebody that she had been out
with.
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With.
>> Some of Kim ancona's friends
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>> some of Kim ancona's friends
told the police that ray was a
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told the police that ray was a
friend of hers. They had
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friend of hers. They had
suggested he's like a
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suggested he's like a
boyfriend. So they thought,
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boyfriend. So they thought,
"well, we're gonna go talk to
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"well, we're gonna go talk to
ray."
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Ray."
>> 35-five-year old ray krone
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>> 35-five-year old ray krone
live just a few blocks from the
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live just a few blocks from the
CBS lounge. A mailman with no
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CBS lounge. A mailman with no
criminal record, he was a
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criminal record, he was a
regular at the bar.
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Regular at the bar.
>> I had heard his name before,
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>> I had heard his name before,
'cause my mom had a little bit
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'cause my mom had a little bit
of a crush on him, thought he
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of a crush on him, thought he
was a handsome guy. The one
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was a handsome guy. The one
time I did see him at the bar,
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time I did see him at the bar,
my mother had asked him to
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my mother had asked him to
substitute on her dart team at
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substitute on her dart team at
the end of the dart tournament,
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the end of the dart tournament,
she asked him to pay the entry
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she asked him to pay the entry
fee, and he got really upset.
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Fee, and he got really upset.
He raised his voice and pretty
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he raised his voice and pretty
much stormed out of the bar.
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Much stormed out of the bar.
>> I went over to his house.
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>> I went over to his house.
It's really not far from the
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it's really not far from the
bar. He responded to our
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bar. He responded to our
questions. The key, as far as
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questions. The key, as far as
we were concerned, was he
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we were concerned, was he
didn't have perfect teeth.
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Didn't have perfect teeth.
>> Krone denied being in a
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>> krone denied being in a
relationship with Kim ancona,
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relationship with Kim ancona,
and his roommate told police he
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and his roommate told police he
had been home all night. Police
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had been home all night. Police
brought krone to the station
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brought krone to the station
and collected samples of his
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and collected samples of his
hair, saliva, and blood.
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Hair, saliva, and blood.
>> And at the end of the
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>> and at the end of the
interview, they asked ray to
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interview, they asked ray to
bite into this section of the
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bite into this section of the
styrofoam paper plate. And then
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styrofoam paper plate. And then
they took that to Dr. Piakis,
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they took that to Dr. Piakis,
and Dr. Piakis said, "well,
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and Dr. Piakis said, "well,
that's consistent with the
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that's consistent with the
murderer."
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Murderer."
>> police took impressions of
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>> police took impressions of
krone's teeth to create a
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krone's teeth to create a
plaster model. When they
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plaster model. When they
compared them to the bite marks
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compared them to the bite marks
on Kim's body, they appeared to
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on Kim's body, they appeared to
line up. A day later, on new
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line up. A day later, on new
year's Eve, ray krone was
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year's Eve, ray krone was
arrested and charged with
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arrested and charged with
kidnapping, sexual assault, and
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kidnapping, sexual assault, and
murder.
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Murder.
>> I was 14 when that happened.
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>> I was 14 when that happened.
>> I believe it was a day or
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>> I believe it was a day or
two before the funeral. I had
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two before the funeral. I had
heard that on the news, they
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heard that on the news, they
had caught somebody, and they
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had caught somebody, and they
said his name. It didn't help
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said his name. It didn't help
very much, but I had some
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very much, but I had some
relief that the person who did
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relief that the person who did
it was going to be punished.
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It was going to be punished.
>> Krone's court-appointed
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>> krone's court-appointed
attorney suggested he plead
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attorney suggested he plead
guilty and take a deal. He
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guilty and take a deal. He
refused.
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Refused.
>> He wasn't gonna take a deal.
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>> He wasn't gonna take a deal.
He said, "I didn't do it." And
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he said, "I didn't do it." And
I will tell you that in the 20
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I will tell you that in the 20
years I was in homicide, I
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years I was in homicide, I
heard that every time -- "i
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heard that every time -- "i
didn't do it."
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Didn't do it."
>> Ray krone's trial began on
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>> ray krone's trial began on
July 29, 1992. Veteran
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July 29, 1992. Veteran
prosecutor Noel Levy was
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prosecutor Noel Levy was
determined to seek the death
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determined to seek the death
penalty.
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Penalty.
>> Noel Levy was a career
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>> Noel Levy was a career
prosecutor who had a very good
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prosecutor who had a very good
reputation, had done a number
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reputation, had done a number
of very high-profile cases. He
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of very high-profile cases. He
had a background in the
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had a background in the
military. He was a military
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military. He was a military
intelligence officer.
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Intelligence officer.
>> Levy would focus his case on
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>> Levy would focus his case on
the bite marks left behind by
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the bite marks left behind by
the killer. His star witness
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the killer. His star witness
was Dr. Raymond rawson, a
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was Dr. Raymond rawson, a
dentist and Nevada state
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dentist and Nevada state
senator. On the stand, rawson
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senator. On the stand, rawson
produced a compelling exhibit
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produced a compelling exhibit
-- a video comparing krone's
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-- a video comparing krone's
teeth to the marks on Kim's
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teeth to the marks on Kim's
body.
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Body.
>> I had never seen a videotape
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>> I had never seen a videotape
of that type ever used by
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of that type ever used by
anyone else. It took hundreds
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anyone else. It took hundreds
and hundreds of hours to create
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and hundreds of hours to create
that video. He used two cameras,
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that video. He used two cameras,
and then he put the pictures
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and then he put the pictures
together, and that videotape
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together, and that videotape
was very convincing.
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Was very convincing.
>> Kim's oldest son, Chris, sat
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>> Kim's oldest son, Chris, sat
in the courtroom.
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In the courtroom.
>> It was really hard. So, I
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>> it was really hard. So, I
was only 18 years old. To be
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was only 18 years old. To be
honest, I shouldn't have been
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honest, I shouldn't have been
in there. They shouldn't have
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in there. They shouldn't have
allowed me in there. There's
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allowed me in there. There's
just things that I shouldn't
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just things that I shouldn't
have heard. The bite marks --
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have heard. The bite marks --
shouldn't have seen any of
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shouldn't have seen any of
that. The whole whole case was
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that. The whole whole case was
very traumatizing.
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Very traumatizing.
>> After an eight-day trial,
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>> after an eight-day trial,
the jury delivered their
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the jury delivered their
verdict. Ray krone was guilty
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verdict. Ray krone was guilty
of kidnapping and murder in the
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of kidnapping and murder in the
first degree. He was sentenced
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first degree. He was sentenced
to death.
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To death.
>> Took the jury a little over
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>> took the jury a little over
three hours to find me guilty.
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Three hours to find me guilty.
You kind of sit there like
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you kind of sit there like
you're watching a tennis match,
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you're watching a tennis match,
and you're actually being the
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and you're actually being the
ball that's being hit back and
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ball that's being hit back and
forth. Everything that I stood
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forth. Everything that I stood
for, believed in the justice
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for, believed in the justice
system, was going. It turned
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system, was going. It turned
out that this system ain't
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out that this system ain't
about the truth.
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>> On December 3, 1992, ray
krone entered death row at the
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krone entered death row at the
notorious kasson prison in
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notorious kasson prison in
Florence, Arizona.
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Florence, Arizona.
>> The death row in Arizona is
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>> the death row in Arizona is
complete isolation. You have no
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complete isolation. You have no
physical contact with other
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physical contact with other
inmates. The cell was about six
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inmates. The cell was about six
by eight. I could stand in the
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by eight. I could stand in the
middle of it and just about
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middle of it and just about
touch the walls. Then, I had a
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touch the walls. Then, I had a
small window where you can look
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small window where you can look
out across the desert. And
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out across the desert. And
that's I'd say you were in your
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that's I'd say you were in your
cell. You got two phone calls a
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cell. You got two phone calls a
month.
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Month.
>> The atmosphere in maricopa
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>> the atmosphere in maricopa
county in 1991 was it was a
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county in 1991 was it was a
very law-and-order oriented
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very law-and-order oriented
judicial system. There was a
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judicial system. There was a
lot of pressure on judges in
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lot of pressure on judges in
particular to get these trials
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particular to get these trials
done, and they wanted the death
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done, and they wanted the death
penalty. They were gonna do
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penalty. They were gonna do
everything they could to make
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everything they could to make
sure it happened.
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Sure it happened.
>> To visit her son, Ray's
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>> to visit her son, Ray's
mother, Carolyn, traveled 2,500
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mother, Carolyn, traveled 2,500
miles from Pennsylvania.
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Miles from Pennsylvania.
>> The experience of visiting
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>> the experience of visiting
someone on death row when they
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someone on death row when they
bring him into the cubicle on
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bring him into the cubicle on
the other side of the glass was
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the other side of the glass was
a very, very hard thing to see.
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A very, very hard thing to see.
>> I remember seeing the look
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>> I remember seeing the look
in my mom's eye. I'm shackled
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in my mom's eye. I'm shackled
at the waist and ankles, and
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at the waist and ankles, and
I'm shuffling in in a jumpsuit.
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I'm shuffling in in a jumpsuit.
And how do you let your loved
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and how do you let your loved
ones know that, "I'm okay. I'll
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ones know that, "I'm okay. I'll
be okay. You know, it's
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be okay. You know, it's
alright"? I grew up in Dover,
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alright"? I grew up in Dover,
Pennsylvania. Farm country. I
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Pennsylvania. Farm country. I
went to the same high school.
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Went to the same high school.
My grandparents went to the
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my grandparents went to the
same church my great
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same church my great
grandparents went to. We
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grandparents went to. We
enjoyed that outdoor country
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enjoyed that outdoor country
life.
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Life.
>> Ray was the most pleasant,
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>> ray was the most pleasant,
happy-going, easy to raise
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happy-going, easy to raise
child. Always a lot of fun. All
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child. Always a lot of fun. All
the way through high school,
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the way through high school,
ray was involved in activities
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ray was involved in activities
and scouts and church and
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and scouts and church and
things.
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Things.
>> After high school, ray
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>> after high school, ray
signed up for the air force. He
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signed up for the air force. He
was stationed in Savannah,
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was stationed in Savannah,
Georgia, when a car accident
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Georgia, when a car accident
left him with severe injuries.
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Left him with severe injuries.
>> I woke up in the hospital,
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>> I woke up in the hospital,
my mouth wired shut. I had a
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my mouth wired shut. I had a
broken jaw.
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Broken jaw.
>> After that accident, Ray's
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>> after that accident, Ray's
appearance had changed some,
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appearance had changed some,
because his teeth had been
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because his teeth had been
badly damaged, and his jaw had
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badly damaged, and his jaw had
been broken. And so when they
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been broken. And so when they
wired it together and it
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wired it together and it
rehealed, his teeth were
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rehealed, his teeth were
crooked.
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Crooked.
>> In 1980, ray moved to
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>> in 1980, ray moved to
Phoenix and took a job with the
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Phoenix and took a job with the
post office. On the side, he
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post office. On the side, he
was an avid dart player, and he
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was an avid dart player, and he
often stopped by to compete at
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often stopped by to compete at
the CBS lounge, sometimes with
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the CBS lounge, sometimes with
bartender Kim ancona.
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Bartender Kim ancona.
>> Kim with a bubbly, outgoing
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>> Kim with a bubbly, outgoing
person. She worked there, and
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person. She worked there, and
it turned out then that she
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it turned out then that she
also had a dart team.
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Also had a dart team.
>> My mom was the captain of
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>> my mom was the captain of
their dart team, so she was
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their dart team, so she was
very into darts. And we used to
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very into darts. And we used to
play a lot of darts together,
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play a lot of darts together,
in the bar and at home, but I
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in the bar and at home, but I
can never beat her.
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Can never beat her.
>> She was a nurse, but she saw
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>> she was a nurse, but she saw
kids deteriorating, seeing some
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kids deteriorating, seeing some
pass away, and it was really
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pass away, and it was really
affecting her, so she stopped
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affecting her, so she stopped
doing that to be a bartender.
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Doing that to be a bartender.
>> My mother was very
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>> my mother was very
hardworking. Family was always
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hardworking. Family was always
first. She did whatever she
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first. She did whatever she
could to keep a roof over US,
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could to keep a roof over US,
keep US fed.
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Keep US fed.
>> She would come home from
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>> she would come home from
work and sleep for about three
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work and sleep for about three
or four hours and then get US
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or four hours and then get US
off to school. She had that
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off to school. She had that
nurturing heart, and she was
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nurturing heart, and she was
hilarious. She was the life of
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hilarious. She was the life of
the party.
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The party.
>> In the early'90s, my mother
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>> in the early'90s, my mother
was going through a divorce. My
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was going through a divorce. My
brother and sister were staying
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brother and sister were staying
with our stepfather, because I
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with our stepfather, because I
wasn't home anymore, and she
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wasn't home anymore, and she
had lost her home because of
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had lost her home because of
the divorce and all that. She
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the divorce and all that. She
was trying to get back on her
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was trying to get back on her
feet.
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Feet.
>> She was happy to get all
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>> she was happy to get all
these hours working at the CBS
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these hours working at the CBS
lounge,'cause she wanted the
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lounge,'cause she wanted the
money so that she could have
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money so that she could have
her own house with her kids.
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Her own house with her kids.
>> She wanted to get her family
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>> she wanted to get her family
back together, and that's the
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back together, and that's the
move she was making when all of
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move she was making when all of
this happened.
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This happened.
>> For two years, ray krone sat
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>> for two years, ray krone sat
on death row while his mother,
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on death row while his mother,
Carolyn, fought for his case.
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Carolyn, fought for his case.
The family eventually brought
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the family eventually brought
on defense attorney Christopher
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on defense attorney Christopher
plourd.
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Plourd.
>> I first met ray krone in
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>> I first met ray krone in
June of 1994. I traveled to
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June of 1994. I traveled to
death row in Arizona, and I
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death row in Arizona, and I
interviewed him for a number of
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interviewed him for a number of
hours.
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Hours.
>> Chris wasn't a man that
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>> Chris wasn't a man that
seemed like just to be going
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seemed like just to be going
through the motions and asking
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through the motions and asking
routine questions, because this
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routine questions, because this
was a man that cared.
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Was a man that cared.
>> Early on, I got the notion
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>> early on, I got the notion
that ray was, one, not the type
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that ray was, one, not the type
of person that would do this.
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Of person that would do this.
But I walked out of there, and
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but I walked out of there, and
he was just like one of my
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he was just like one of my
brothers, you know?
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Brothers, you know?
>> That man from that day on
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>> that man from that day on
was one of my strongest
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was one of my strongest
defenders and fought for me the
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defenders and fought for me the
whole way through.
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Whole way through.
>> When he dug into the case,
435
00:15:27,294 --> 00:15:28,426
>> when he dug into the case,
plourd realized the main
436
00:15:28,428 --> 00:15:33,865
plourd realized the main
evidence against ray, Dr.
437
00:15:33,867 --> 00:15:42,707
Evidence against ray, Dr.
rawson's bite-Mark video, had
438
00:15:42,709 --> 00:15:44,242
rawson's bite-Mark video, had
been revealed to the defense
439
00:15:44,244 --> 00:15:44,976
been revealed to the defense
just two days before trial.
440
00:15:44,978 --> 00:15:45,843
Just two days before trial.
>> They hid this evidence until
441
00:15:45,845 --> 00:15:46,711
>> they hid this evidence until
the very last minute, when of
442
00:15:46,713 --> 00:15:47,779
the very last minute, when of
course there was not time for
443
00:15:47,781 --> 00:15:48,846
course there was not time for
the defense to do any kind of
444
00:15:48,848 --> 00:15:49,380
the defense to do any kind of
counteraction.
445
00:15:49,382 --> 00:15:50,882
Counteraction.
>> Why in the world would the
446
00:15:50,884 --> 00:15:52,317
>> why in the world would the
state try to get into evidence
447
00:15:52,319 --> 00:15:53,484
state try to get into evidence
a videotape that had been
448
00:15:53,486 --> 00:15:54,352
a videotape that had been
disclosed but two days before
449
00:15:54,354 --> 00:15:54,786
disclosed but two days before
trial?
450
00:15:54,788 --> 00:15:57,588
Trial?
>> On June 22, 1995, the court
451
00:15:57,590 --> 00:15:58,323
>> on June 22, 1995, the court
decided to overturn Ray's
452
00:15:58,325 --> 00:16:01,626
decided to overturn Ray's
conviction and Grant him a new
453
00:16:01,628 --> 00:16:02,026
conviction and Grant him a new
trial.
454
00:16:02,028 --> 00:16:09,300
Trial.
>> When we heard that the
455
00:16:09,302 --> 00:16:10,134
>> when we heard that the
conviction had been overturned,
456
00:16:10,136 --> 00:16:10,768
conviction had been overturned,
we knew we were on the right
457
00:16:10,770 --> 00:16:11,002
we knew we were on the right
track.
458
00:16:11,004 --> 00:16:16,274
Track.
459
00:16:22,748 --> 00:16:24,916
>> After nearly three years on
Arizona death row, ray krone
460
00:16:24,918 --> 00:16:27,051
Arizona death row, ray krone
was granted a second chance to
461
00:16:27,053 --> 00:16:28,019
was granted a second chance to
prove his innocence. But as
462
00:16:28,021 --> 00:16:29,287
prove his innocence. But as
attorney Chris plourd prepared
463
00:16:29,289 --> 00:16:33,825
attorney Chris plourd prepared
for Ray's second trial, he
464
00:16:33,827 --> 00:16:37,595
for Ray's second trial, he
found himself stymied by
465
00:16:37,597 --> 00:16:38,262
found himself stymied by
prosecutor Noel Levy.
466
00:16:38,264 --> 00:16:41,733
Prosecutor Noel Levy.
>> I wanted to get access to
467
00:16:41,735 --> 00:16:43,201
>> I wanted to get access to
the evidence from the police
468
00:16:43,203 --> 00:16:44,602
the evidence from the police
department, and Noel Levy
469
00:16:44,604 --> 00:16:45,903
department, and Noel Levy
objected to that. He refused to
470
00:16:45,905 --> 00:16:47,005
objected to that. He refused to
give me notes from the crime
471
00:16:47,007 --> 00:16:48,272
give me notes from the crime
lab, access to the evidence.
472
00:16:48,274 --> 00:16:51,275
Lab, access to the evidence.
And then, once he was ordered
473
00:16:51,277 --> 00:16:52,977
and then, once he was ordered
by the supreme court to give me
474
00:16:52,979 --> 00:16:54,212
by the supreme court to give me
discovery, he went to every
475
00:16:54,214 --> 00:16:55,513
discovery, he went to every
interview and essentially knew
476
00:16:55,515 --> 00:16:59,517
interview and essentially knew
that he was in for a long
477
00:16:59,519 --> 00:16:59,951
that he was in for a long
fight.
478
00:16:59,953 --> 00:17:01,486
Fight.
>> Among the evidence the state
479
00:17:01,488 --> 00:17:03,154
>> among the evidence the state
finally handed over were 17
480
00:17:03,156 --> 00:17:05,289
finally handed over were 17
hairs found on Kim ancona's
481
00:17:05,291 --> 00:17:06,791
hairs found on Kim ancona's
body. Of these, two came from
482
00:17:06,793 --> 00:17:08,693
body. Of these, two came from
an unidentified person, and
483
00:17:08,695 --> 00:17:09,427
an unidentified person, and
another was never tested.
484
00:17:09,429 --> 00:17:14,065
Another was never tested.
>> They said that some of them
485
00:17:14,067 --> 00:17:15,500
>> they said that some of them
were Kim's, and others could
486
00:17:15,502 --> 00:17:17,668
were Kim's, and others could
not be ruled out as being
487
00:17:17,670 --> 00:17:18,503
not be ruled out as being
Ray's. That wasn't even true.
488
00:17:18,505 --> 00:17:22,507
Ray's. That wasn't even true.
>> The reality is, when you
489
00:17:22,509 --> 00:17:24,642
>> the reality is, when you
look at the evidence hairs,
490
00:17:24,644 --> 00:17:26,377
look at the evidence hairs,
were from a person who was
491
00:17:26,379 --> 00:17:27,445
were from a person who was
either Mexican-American,
492
00:17:27,447 --> 00:17:29,914
either Mexican-American,
hispanic, or American Indian.
493
00:17:29,916 --> 00:17:31,149
Hispanic, or American Indian.
So krone could not and ancona
494
00:17:31,151 --> 00:17:38,122
so krone could not and ancona
could not have been the donors
495
00:17:38,124 --> 00:17:38,689
could not have been the donors
of those hairs.
496
00:17:38,691 --> 00:17:40,024
Of those hairs.
>> Chris also received police
497
00:17:40,026 --> 00:17:41,125
>> Chris also received police
files showing footprints
498
00:17:41,127 --> 00:17:42,193
files showing footprints
recovered from the scene,
499
00:17:42,195 --> 00:17:42,994
recovered from the scene,
matching size 9 1/2 converse
500
00:17:42,996 --> 00:17:43,461
matching size 9 1/2 converse
sneakers.
501
00:17:43,463 --> 00:17:52,503
Sneakers.
>> Ray krone didn't have
502
00:17:52,505 --> 00:17:53,604
>> ray krone didn't have
converse shoes, and he wore an
503
00:17:53,606 --> 00:17:53,971
converse shoes, and he wore an
11.
504
00:17:53,973 --> 00:17:55,406
11.
>> They basically reanalyzed
505
00:17:55,408 --> 00:17:57,175
>> they basically reanalyzed
the latent prints, and they
506
00:17:57,177 --> 00:18:00,178
the latent prints, and they
came up with an opinion that
507
00:18:00,180 --> 00:18:08,352
came up with an opinion that
the size was consistent with
508
00:18:08,354 --> 00:18:09,520
the size was consistent with
Mr. Krone, even though he
509
00:18:09,522 --> 00:18:10,354
Mr. Krone, even though he
didn't own those type of shoes.
510
00:18:10,356 --> 00:18:12,557
Didn't own those type of shoes.
>> Finally, blood collected
511
00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:13,524
>> finally, blood collected
from the crime scene tested as
512
00:18:13,526 --> 00:18:14,358
from the crime scene tested as
type o. Noel Levy said that
513
00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:15,259
type o. Noel Levy said that
matched ray, but it also
514
00:18:15,261 --> 00:18:16,027
matched ray, but it also
matched back to Kim ancona.
515
00:18:16,029 --> 00:18:16,894
Matched back to Kim ancona.
>> You have to remember, in the
516
00:18:16,896 --> 00:18:17,728
>> you have to remember, in the
early'90s, we knew DNA was
517
00:18:17,730 --> 00:18:18,696
early'90s, we knew DNA was
coming, but it wasn't coming to
518
00:18:18,698 --> 00:18:19,630
coming, but it wasn't coming to
Phoenix right away. We were
519
00:18:19,632 --> 00:18:20,431
Phoenix right away. We were
still blood typing. They would
520
00:18:20,433 --> 00:18:21,199
still blood typing. They would
be able to say that it was a, b
521
00:18:21,201 --> 00:18:21,866
be able to say that it was a, b
or o. Back then, a, b, o was
522
00:18:21,868 --> 00:18:22,600
or o. Back then, a, b, o was
about as good as you were gonna
523
00:18:22,602 --> 00:18:22,900
about as good as you were gonna
get.
524
00:18:22,902 --> 00:18:24,435
Get.
>> It was amazing the number of
525
00:18:24,437 --> 00:18:25,837
>> it was amazing the number of
things that they did try to do
526
00:18:25,839 --> 00:18:26,604
things that they did try to do
a test on, but if it didn't
527
00:18:26,606 --> 00:18:27,438
a test on, but if it didn't
match me, they ignored it.
528
00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:28,406
Match me, they ignored it.
They're not looking for anybody
529
00:18:28,408 --> 00:18:30,308
they're not looking for anybody
else. They only wanted stuff
530
00:18:30,310 --> 00:18:30,875
else. They only wanted stuff
that matched me.
531
00:18:30,877 --> 00:18:32,243
That matched me.
>> Ray's second trial would
532
00:18:32,245 --> 00:18:33,010
>> Ray's second trial would
begin on February 16, 1996.
533
00:18:33,012 --> 00:18:34,412
Begin on February 16, 1996.
>> Noel Levy's theory of the
534
00:18:34,414 --> 00:18:35,546
>> Noel Levy's theory of the
case was virtually the same as
535
00:18:35,548 --> 00:18:39,050
case was virtually the same as
it was in the first trial, that
536
00:18:39,052 --> 00:18:40,751
it was in the first trial, that
ray krone was essentially the
537
00:18:40,753 --> 00:18:44,956
ray krone was essentially the
boyfriend of Kim ancona and
538
00:18:44,958 --> 00:18:48,326
boyfriend of Kim ancona and
that unless ray krone loaned
539
00:18:48,328 --> 00:18:49,393
that unless ray krone loaned
his teeth to somebody, ray
540
00:18:49,395 --> 00:18:50,027
his teeth to somebody, ray
krone is the killer.
541
00:18:50,029 --> 00:18:53,965
Krone is the killer.
>> Noel Levy was an extremely
542
00:18:53,967 --> 00:18:55,266
>> Noel Levy was an extremely
effective prosecutor -- very
543
00:18:55,268 --> 00:18:57,068
effective prosecutor -- very
tall, very persuasive, could
544
00:18:57,070 --> 00:19:03,107
tall, very persuasive, could
mesmerize a jury, would make
545
00:19:03,109 --> 00:19:06,043
mesmerize a jury, would make
declaration statements that
546
00:19:06,045 --> 00:19:08,012
declaration statements that
make him sound like they came
547
00:19:08,014 --> 00:19:08,713
make him sound like they came
right out of the Bible.
548
00:19:08,715 --> 00:19:16,988
Right out of the Bible.
>> Levy argued that ray and Kim
549
00:19:16,990 --> 00:19:17,889
>> Levy argued that ray and Kim
had been romantically involved
550
00:19:17,891 --> 00:19:18,656
had been romantically involved
and that ray killed her in a
551
00:19:18,658 --> 00:19:19,090
and that ray killed her in a
jealous rage.
552
00:19:19,092 --> 00:19:20,958
Jealous rage.
>> This boyfriend/girlfriend
553
00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,295
>> this boyfriend/girlfriend
thing kept coming up. I kept
554
00:19:24,297 --> 00:19:26,631
thing kept coming up. I kept
telling them, "look, I knew her
555
00:19:26,633 --> 00:19:28,466
telling them, "look, I knew her
from the bar. That's it. She
556
00:19:28,468 --> 00:19:30,001
from the bar. That's it. She
hasn't been to my house. I'm
557
00:19:30,003 --> 00:19:30,635
hasn't been to my house. I'm
not her boyfriend."
558
00:19:30,637 --> 00:19:35,373
Not her boyfriend."
>> Ray did not even know her
559
00:19:35,375 --> 00:19:37,041
>> ray did not even know her
last name at the time that she
560
00:19:37,043 --> 00:19:38,876
last name at the time that she
was killed. She was just Kim
561
00:19:38,878 --> 00:19:39,410
was killed. She was just Kim
from the bar.
562
00:19:39,412 --> 00:19:44,048
From the bar.
>> Daniel Miller, Kim's
563
00:19:44,050 --> 00:19:44,949
>> Daniel Miller, Kim's
youngest son, attended the
564
00:19:44,951 --> 00:19:45,716
youngest son, attended the
second trial and saw ray in
565
00:19:45,718 --> 00:19:46,417
second trial and saw ray in
person for the first time.
566
00:19:46,419 --> 00:19:47,885
Person for the first time.
>> For those four years, I
567
00:19:47,887 --> 00:19:48,819
>> for those four years, I
built up a lot of hatred
568
00:19:48,821 --> 00:19:50,755
built up a lot of hatred
towards ray. And to see him 20
569
00:19:50,757 --> 00:19:54,759
towards ray. And to see him 20
feet for me, I wanted to jump
570
00:19:54,761 --> 00:19:59,297
feet for me, I wanted to jump
over the wall and cause
571
00:19:59,299 --> 00:20:00,665
over the wall and cause
physical harm. I believed in an
572
00:20:00,667 --> 00:20:05,603
physical harm. I believed in an
eye for an eye, and I wanted
573
00:20:05,605 --> 00:20:06,437
eye for an eye, and I wanted
him to be put to death for what
574
00:20:06,439 --> 00:20:06,771
him to be put to death for what
he did.
575
00:20:06,773 --> 00:20:13,844
He did.
>> When it came time to address
576
00:20:13,846 --> 00:20:14,912
>> when it came time to address
the jury, plourd attacked the
577
00:20:14,914 --> 00:20:15,680
the jury, plourd attacked the
state's case piece by piece.
578
00:20:15,682 --> 00:20:19,050
State's case piece by piece.
>> Chris proved that blood
579
00:20:19,052 --> 00:20:20,818
>> Chris proved that blood
didn't match, the fingerprints
580
00:20:20,820 --> 00:20:22,386
didn't match, the fingerprints
didn't match, and they're
581
00:20:22,388 --> 00:20:23,721
didn't match, and they're
eliminating all these things.
582
00:20:23,723 --> 00:20:25,256
Eliminating all these things.
So we really felt good about
583
00:20:25,258 --> 00:20:25,656
so we really felt good about
that.
584
00:20:25,658 --> 00:20:29,293
That.
>> The truth was coming out,
585
00:20:29,295 --> 00:20:30,161
>> the truth was coming out,
and I was starting to feel
586
00:20:30,163 --> 00:20:33,331
and I was starting to feel
positive about the system
587
00:20:33,333 --> 00:20:35,399
positive about the system
again. But it didn't take long
588
00:20:35,401 --> 00:20:37,435
again. But it didn't take long
to realize that they were
589
00:20:37,437 --> 00:20:39,103
to realize that they were
serious about believing that
590
00:20:39,105 --> 00:20:40,137
serious about believing that
I'd done it and
591
00:20:45,711 --> 00:20:49,180
>> As ray krone faced the death
penalty for the second time, he
592
00:20:49,182 --> 00:20:50,648
penalty for the second time, he
was facing off against a
593
00:20:50,650 --> 00:20:51,415
was facing off against a
respected scientific field.
594
00:20:51,417 --> 00:20:54,919
Respected scientific field.
Forensic odontology, or the
595
00:20:54,921 --> 00:20:55,886
forensic odontology, or the
science of bite marks, had come
596
00:20:55,888 --> 00:20:56,721
science of bite marks, had come
to prominence in the late'70s,
597
00:20:56,723 --> 00:20:58,656
to prominence in the late'70s,
when serial killer Ted Bundy
598
00:20:58,658 --> 00:20:59,657
when serial killer Ted Bundy
was convicted with the help of
599
00:20:59,659 --> 00:21:00,291
was convicted with the help of
Dr. Norman sperber.
600
00:21:00,293 --> 00:21:05,529
Dr. Norman sperber.
>> Dr. Sperber was considered
601
00:21:05,531 --> 00:21:07,298
>> Dr. Sperber was considered
the leading forensic
602
00:21:07,300 --> 00:21:09,033
the leading forensic
odontologist in the country,
603
00:21:09,035 --> 00:21:12,403
odontologist in the country,
and he saw this evidence in
604
00:21:12,405 --> 00:21:13,037
and he saw this evidence in
Ray's case early on.
605
00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:17,241
Ray's case early on.
>> I ran into Dr. Sperber in
606
00:21:17,243 --> 00:21:18,142
>> I ran into Dr. Sperber in
San Diego in the courthouse,
607
00:21:18,144 --> 00:21:19,243
San Diego in the courthouse,
and then he asked me -- he said,
608
00:21:19,245 --> 00:21:21,379
and then he asked me -- he said,
"what case are you involved in,
609
00:21:21,381 --> 00:21:24,348
"what case are you involved in,
in Arizona? " And I said, "well,
610
00:21:24,350 --> 00:21:26,284
in Arizona? " And I said, "well,
the krone case." I said, "the
611
00:21:26,286 --> 00:21:28,919
the krone case." I said, "the
guy's on death row." He was
612
00:21:28,921 --> 00:21:32,923
guy's on death row." He was
shocked. He said he had
613
00:21:32,925 --> 00:21:35,159
shocked. He said he had
concluded for the first trial
614
00:21:35,161 --> 00:21:36,460
concluded for the first trial
that there was just not enough
615
00:21:36,462 --> 00:21:37,361
that there was just not enough
information there to conclude
616
00:21:37,363 --> 00:21:38,162
information there to conclude
it was Ray's teeth, and that
617
00:21:38,164 --> 00:21:39,030
it was Ray's teeth, and that
information was never given to
618
00:21:39,032 --> 00:21:39,697
information was never given to
the defense attorney.
619
00:21:39,699 --> 00:21:42,900
The defense attorney.
>> Prosecutor Noel Levy
620
00:21:42,902 --> 00:21:43,934
>> prosecutor Noel Levy
eventually hired Dr. Raymond
621
00:21:43,936 --> 00:21:44,769
eventually hired Dr. Raymond
rawson to analyze the evidence.
622
00:21:44,771 --> 00:21:48,272
Rawson to analyze the evidence.
>> Noel Levy paid Mr. Rawson
623
00:21:48,274 --> 00:21:49,040
>> Noel Levy paid Mr. Rawson
$50,000 to show a jury how
624
00:21:49,042 --> 00:21:50,941
$50,000 to show a jury how
these teeth marks matched. He
625
00:21:50,943 --> 00:21:51,876
these teeth marks matched. He
created a video and a system
626
00:21:51,878 --> 00:21:53,044
created a video and a system
that nobody understood, and
627
00:21:53,046 --> 00:21:54,979
that nobody understood, and
this video was unbelievably
628
00:21:54,981 --> 00:21:55,479
this video was unbelievably
convincing.
629
00:21:55,481 --> 00:21:58,115
Convincing.
>> At the time, computer
630
00:21:58,117 --> 00:21:59,350
>> at the time, computer
technology wasn't what it is
631
00:21:59,352 --> 00:22:00,284
technology wasn't what it is
today, but he was doing some
632
00:22:00,286 --> 00:22:02,520
today, but he was doing some
image correction to make the
633
00:22:02,522 --> 00:22:03,387
image correction to make the
comparison on these breast
634
00:22:03,389 --> 00:22:04,255
comparison on these breast
models and demonstrating how
635
00:22:04,257 --> 00:22:04,989
models and demonstrating how
Ray's teeth made a match.
636
00:22:04,991 --> 00:22:07,758
Ray's teeth made a match.
>> And he apparently was able
637
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,062
>> and he apparently was able
to manipulate the images to, in
638
00:22:11,064 --> 00:22:11,962
to manipulate the images to, in
fact, change the size of ray
639
00:22:11,964 --> 00:22:14,598
fact, change the size of ray
krone's teeth to match the bite
640
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:14,999
krone's teeth to match the bite
Mark.
641
00:22:15,001 --> 00:22:23,674
Mark.
>> To counter rawson, plourd
642
00:22:23,676 --> 00:22:24,875
>> to counter rawson, plourd
called three top odontologists,
643
00:22:24,877 --> 00:22:25,676
called three top odontologists,
who testified that Ray's teeth
644
00:22:25,678 --> 00:22:26,444
who testified that Ray's teeth
were not a conclusive match.
645
00:22:26,446 --> 00:22:27,611
Were not a conclusive match.
>> He measured the teeth from
646
00:22:27,613 --> 00:22:29,046
>> he measured the teeth from
canine to canine. There was no
647
00:22:29,048 --> 00:22:30,681
canine to canine. There was no
way that Ray's teeth could have
648
00:22:30,683 --> 00:22:31,916
way that Ray's teeth could have
made those marks. But in the
649
00:22:31,918 --> 00:22:34,685
made those marks. But in the
video, it looked like they
650
00:22:34,687 --> 00:22:35,586
video, it looked like they
lined up perfectly. So I
651
00:22:35,588 --> 00:22:36,754
lined up perfectly. So I
basically said ray rawson is a
652
00:22:36,756 --> 00:22:38,189
basically said ray rawson is a
charlatan and a fraud, that he
653
00:22:38,191 --> 00:22:38,956
charlatan and a fraud, that he
had no scientific method.
654
00:22:38,958 --> 00:22:42,026
Had no scientific method.
>> The state had also produced
655
00:22:42,028 --> 00:22:44,428
>> the state had also produced
molds of Ray's teeth that
656
00:22:44,430 --> 00:22:47,732
molds of Ray's teeth that
seemed to be a match, but
657
00:22:47,734 --> 00:22:48,466
seemed to be a match, but
Florida argued otherwise.
658
00:22:48,468 --> 00:22:50,801
Florida argued otherwise.
>> There was a video that was
659
00:22:50,803 --> 00:22:56,474
>> there was a video that was
done of the police department
660
00:22:56,476 --> 00:22:57,341
done of the police department
examining the body of Kim
661
00:22:57,343 --> 00:22:57,775
examining the body of Kim
ancona.
662
00:22:57,777 --> 00:23:03,914
Ancona.
>> They took the mold of Ray's
663
00:23:03,916 --> 00:23:07,151
>> they took the mold of Ray's
mouth, and they put it on her
664
00:23:07,153 --> 00:23:08,018
mouth, and they put it on her
body, and they twisted this
665
00:23:08,020 --> 00:23:09,019
body, and they twisted this
mold to fit into the marks on
666
00:23:09,021 --> 00:23:11,789
mold to fit into the marks on
her body. They twisted and
667
00:23:11,791 --> 00:23:13,858
her body. They twisted and
turned it, therefore possibly
668
00:23:13,860 --> 00:23:14,925
turned it, therefore possibly
creating the match with Ray's
669
00:23:14,927 --> 00:23:15,760
creating the match with Ray's
teeth. Because, of course, this
670
00:23:15,762 --> 00:23:18,262
teeth. Because, of course, this
flesh is now dead, and they're
671
00:23:18,264 --> 00:23:19,597
flesh is now dead, and they're
not gonna retain whatever
672
00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:20,131
not gonna retain whatever
you've done.
673
00:23:20,133 --> 00:23:27,471
You've done.
>> Then what they did is they
674
00:23:27,473 --> 00:23:28,906
>> then what they did is they
took molds of the breast, and
675
00:23:28,908 --> 00:23:31,709
took molds of the breast, and
they used those in the video,
676
00:23:31,711 --> 00:23:32,710
they used those in the video,
also, to show that there was a
677
00:23:32,712 --> 00:23:33,711
also, to show that there was a
correlation between Ray's teeth
678
00:23:33,713 --> 00:23:34,678
correlation between Ray's teeth
and the bite Mark based upon
679
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:35,179
and the bite Mark based upon
the mold.
680
00:23:35,181 --> 00:23:37,715
The mold.
>> While the medical examiner's
681
00:23:37,717 --> 00:23:38,816
>> while the medical examiner's
office denied affecting the
682
00:23:38,818 --> 00:23:39,784
office denied affecting the
evidence, presiding judge James
683
00:23:39,786 --> 00:23:40,885
evidence, presiding judge James
mcdougall did find credence in
684
00:23:40,887 --> 00:23:41,619
mcdougall did find credence in
other defense arguments.
685
00:23:41,621 --> 00:23:42,853
Other defense arguments.
>> I thought the defense --
686
00:23:42,855 --> 00:23:43,654
>> I thought the defense --
they did an excellent job of
687
00:23:43,656 --> 00:23:44,255
they did an excellent job of
creating doubt. I came away
688
00:23:44,257 --> 00:23:45,623
creating doubt. I came away
from that thinking, "well,
689
00:23:45,625 --> 00:23:47,391
from that thinking, "well,
that's not as clear as it
690
00:23:47,393 --> 00:23:48,192
that's not as clear as it
looked when the state rested."
691
00:23:48,194 --> 00:23:52,029
Looked when the state rested."
>> Now there was the bite-Mark
692
00:23:52,031 --> 00:23:53,431
>> now there was the bite-Mark
expert that said it wasn't me,
693
00:23:53,433 --> 00:23:58,669
expert that said it wasn't me,
saliva on the bite Mark wasn't
694
00:23:58,671 --> 00:23:59,870
saliva on the bite Mark wasn't
by me, hair wasn't me. Just so
695
00:23:59,872 --> 00:24:02,873
by me, hair wasn't me. Just so
many things now to come out
696
00:24:02,875 --> 00:24:03,674
many things now to come out
that never, ever came out the
697
00:24:03,676 --> 00:24:04,175
that never, ever came out the
first trial.
698
00:24:04,177 --> 00:24:05,309
First trial.
>> Ray's trial would last seven
699
00:24:05,311 --> 00:24:06,677
>> Ray's trial would last seven
weeks. It took the jury three
700
00:24:06,679 --> 00:24:07,478
weeks. It took the jury three
days to render their verdict.
701
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,716
Days to render their verdict.
>> When the jurors came into
702
00:24:12,718 --> 00:24:14,518
>> when the jurors came into
the courtroom and had to face
703
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:15,886
the courtroom and had to face
US that day, I had an uneasy
704
00:24:15,888 --> 00:24:20,124
US that day, I had an uneasy
feeling that they were avoiding
705
00:24:20,126 --> 00:24:20,658
feeling that they were avoiding
looking at US.
706
00:24:20,660 --> 00:24:22,092
Looking at US.
>> The verdict was announced.
707
00:24:22,094 --> 00:24:22,827
>> The verdict was announced.
It was all in slow motion.
708
00:24:22,829 --> 00:24:24,895
It was all in slow motion.
>> Of murder in the first
709
00:24:24,897 --> 00:24:26,397
>> of murder in the first
degree, we find the defendant,
710
00:24:26,399 --> 00:24:27,131
degree, we find the defendant,
ray Milton krone, guilty.
711
00:24:27,133 --> 00:24:31,368
Ray Milton krone, guilty.
>> They just said guilty -- you
712
00:24:31,370 --> 00:24:35,473
>> they just said guilty -- you
know, guilty. "Whoa, back up.
713
00:24:35,475 --> 00:24:39,276
Know, guilty. "Whoa, back up.
Wait a minute. What's going on
714
00:24:39,278 --> 00:24:40,277
wait a minute. What's going on
here? This can't be possible.
715
00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:42,346
Here? This can't be possible.
What are they saying? " And you
716
00:24:42,348 --> 00:24:43,414
what are they saying? " And you
just -- I just couldn't believe
717
00:24:43,416 --> 00:24:43,781
just -- I just couldn't believe
it.
718
00:24:43,783 --> 00:24:47,618
It.
>> After all these weeks and
719
00:24:47,620 --> 00:24:49,286
>> after all these weeks and
days and hours, to hear that
720
00:24:49,288 --> 00:24:50,988
days and hours, to hear that
verdict is like doomsday. I
721
00:24:50,990 --> 00:24:57,862
verdict is like doomsday. I
mean, "no. Not all this, and
722
00:24:57,864 --> 00:24:58,696
mean, "no. Not all this, and
here we are, where we started."
723
00:24:58,698 --> 00:24:59,697
Here we are, where we started."
>> What more evidence, what
724
00:24:59,699 --> 00:25:01,499
>> what more evidence, what
more could we possibly have
725
00:25:01,501 --> 00:25:05,736
more could we possibly have
done to convince a jury of my
726
00:25:05,738 --> 00:25:06,804
done to convince a jury of my
innocence? I mean, how is this
727
00:25:06,806 --> 00:25:07,271
innocence? I mean, how is this
possible?
728
00:25:07,273 --> 00:25:10,708
Possible?
>> I was taken aback when they
729
00:25:10,710 --> 00:25:11,475
>> I was taken aback when they
came back with a judgment of
730
00:25:11,477 --> 00:25:12,443
came back with a judgment of
guilt. I felt that the defense
731
00:25:12,445 --> 00:25:14,445
guilt. I felt that the defense
had created serious doubt about
732
00:25:14,447 --> 00:25:16,080
had created serious doubt about
all the other evidence,
733
00:25:16,082 --> 00:25:19,750
all the other evidence,
including the bite-Mark
734
00:25:19,752 --> 00:25:20,217
including the bite-Mark
evidence.
735
00:25:20,219 --> 00:25:23,587
Evidence.
>> During deliberation, the
736
00:25:23,589 --> 00:25:29,727
>> during deliberation, the
jury had requested two pieces
737
00:25:29,729 --> 00:25:30,594
jury had requested two pieces
of evidence -- the mold of
738
00:25:30,596 --> 00:25:31,695
of evidence -- the mold of
Kim's breast made at the
739
00:25:31,697 --> 00:25:32,796
Kim's breast made at the
autopsy and the cast of Ray's
740
00:25:32,798 --> 00:25:33,197
autopsy and the cast of Ray's
teeth.
741
00:25:33,199 --> 00:25:36,200
Teeth.
>> Basically, the jurors --
742
00:25:36,202 --> 00:25:37,067
>> basically, the jurors --
they took the molds, finally.
743
00:25:37,069 --> 00:25:38,168
They took the molds, finally.
They passed them around, and
744
00:25:38,170 --> 00:25:39,136
they passed them around, and
they fit the mold with the
745
00:25:39,138 --> 00:25:39,537
they fit the mold with the
teeth.
746
00:25:39,539 --> 00:25:41,739
Teeth.
>> When we used the molds, the
747
00:25:41,741 --> 00:25:44,642
>> when we used the molds, the
teeth fit the marks that were
748
00:25:44,644 --> 00:25:45,643
teeth fit the marks that were
on the breast mold. And I tried
749
00:25:45,645 --> 00:25:47,111
on the breast mold. And I tried
it myself. There was no doubt.
750
00:25:47,113 --> 00:25:47,978
It myself. There was no doubt.
I keep wondering about why we
751
00:25:47,980 --> 00:25:49,813
I keep wondering about why we
sat through all that. Teaching
752
00:25:49,815 --> 00:25:51,348
sat through all that. Teaching
US about hair and fibers and
753
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:53,717
US about hair and fibers and
blood, and none of it mattered.
754
00:25:53,719 --> 00:25:54,518
Blood, and none of it mattered.
If he bit her, he killed her.
755
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,520
If he bit her, he killed her.
>> While the jury found ray
756
00:25:56,522 --> 00:26:05,296
>> while the jury found ray
guilty, the decision whether to
757
00:26:05,298 --> 00:26:07,464
guilty, the decision whether to
accept that verdict rested with
758
00:26:07,466 --> 00:26:08,132
accept that verdict rested with
judge James mcdougall.
759
00:26:08,134 --> 00:26:11,201
Judge James mcdougall.
>> They heard all the evidence.
760
00:26:11,203 --> 00:26:17,374
>> They heard all the evidence.
They were 12 of 24 people that
761
00:26:17,376 --> 00:26:20,444
they were 12 of 24 people that
had reached that decision. But
762
00:26:20,446 --> 00:26:24,081
had reached that decision. But
there just was a nagging
763
00:26:24,083 --> 00:26:24,949
there just was a nagging
feeling that we hadn't gotten
764
00:26:24,951 --> 00:26:25,616
feeling that we hadn't gotten
the right person here.
765
00:26:25,618 --> 00:26:35,926
The right person here.
>> Ray krone had been found
766
00:26:35,928 --> 00:26:38,796
>> ray krone had been found
guilty a second time of killing
767
00:26:38,798 --> 00:26:40,164
guilty a second time of killing
Kim ancona, but judge James
768
00:26:40,166 --> 00:26:41,065
Kim ancona, but judge James
mcdougall struggled over
769
00:26:41,067 --> 00:26:42,299
mcdougall struggled over
whether to accept the jury's
770
00:26:42,301 --> 00:26:42,766
whether to accept the jury's
decision.
771
00:26:42,768 --> 00:26:47,638
Decision.
>> Even though I disagreed with
772
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,540
>> even though I disagreed with
the verdict, it's not something
773
00:26:49,542 --> 00:26:51,041
the verdict, it's not something
I could easily just set aside.
774
00:26:51,043 --> 00:26:53,577
I could easily just set aside.
But that lingering doubt was
775
00:26:53,579 --> 00:26:55,045
but that lingering doubt was
enough to make me feel that I
776
00:26:55,047 --> 00:26:55,779
enough to make me feel that I
can't sentence this man to
777
00:26:55,781 --> 00:26:56,113
can't sentence this man to
death.
778
00:26:56,115 --> 00:26:57,848
Death.
>> Ultimately, judge mcdougall
779
00:26:57,850 --> 00:26:59,183
>> ultimately, judge mcdougall
sentenced ray to life in prison,
780
00:26:59,185 --> 00:27:01,785
sentenced ray to life in prison,
but he also issued a remarkable
781
00:27:01,787 --> 00:27:02,086
but he also issued a remarkable
statement.
782
00:27:02,088 --> 00:27:03,320
Statement.
>> He said, "the court is left
783
00:27:03,322 --> 00:27:04,655
>> he said, "the court is left
with a residual or lingering
784
00:27:04,657 --> 00:27:06,991
with a residual or lingering
doubt about the clear identity
785
00:27:06,993 --> 00:27:08,626
doubt about the clear identity
of the killer. This is one of
786
00:27:08,628 --> 00:27:10,227
of the killer. This is one of
those cases that will haunt me
787
00:27:10,229 --> 00:27:11,328
those cases that will haunt me
for the rest of my life,
788
00:27:11,330 --> 00:27:12,863
for the rest of my life,
wondering whether I have done
789
00:27:12,865 --> 00:27:13,464
wondering whether I have done
the right thing."
790
00:27:13,466 --> 00:27:16,066
The right thing."
>> For judge mcdougall to give
791
00:27:16,068 --> 00:27:20,070
>> for judge mcdougall to give
ray a life verdict as opposed
792
00:27:20,072 --> 00:27:22,006
ray a life verdict as opposed
to a death verdict was not
793
00:27:22,008 --> 00:27:23,507
to a death verdict was not
something that was
794
00:27:23,509 --> 00:27:24,675
something that was
well-received by the maricopa
795
00:27:24,677 --> 00:27:25,643
well-received by the maricopa
county attorney's office. So
796
00:27:25,645 --> 00:27:27,878
county attorney's office. So
for him to do anything more
797
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:28,746
for him to do anything more
than that, I think he would
798
00:27:28,748 --> 00:27:29,780
than that, I think he would
have been run out of town, and
799
00:27:29,782 --> 00:27:30,547
have been run out of town, and
he would have lost his job.
800
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:37,021
He would have lost his job.
>> Ray was sent to general
801
00:27:37,023 --> 00:27:40,691
>> ray was sent to general
population in the spring of
802
00:27:40,693 --> 00:27:42,326
population in the spring of
1996, where his former death
803
00:27:42,328 --> 00:27:43,093
1996, where his former death
sentence earned him respect.
804
00:27:43,095 --> 00:27:52,236
Sentence earned him respect.
>> But all that changed one day,
805
00:27:52,238 --> 00:27:52,970
>> but all that changed one day,
when a television program came
806
00:27:52,972 --> 00:27:53,303
when a television program came
on the air.
807
00:27:53,305 --> 00:27:54,638
On the air.
>> I was in my room that day,
808
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:55,472
>> I was in my room that day,
and a guy knocked on the
809
00:27:55,474 --> 00:27:56,206
and a guy knocked on the
window. He says, "hey, you
810
00:27:56,208 --> 00:27:57,074
window. He says, "hey, you
better check out channel 4.
811
00:27:57,076 --> 00:27:58,342
Better check out channel 4.
You're on TV." I'm like, "what?
812
00:27:58,344 --> 00:27:59,043
You're on TV." I'm like, "what?
" And I turn on my TV channel,
813
00:27:59,045 --> 00:27:59,777
" and I turn on my TV channel,
and here was "arrest & trial."
814
00:27:59,779 --> 00:28:00,811
And here was "arrest & trial."
>> Ray krone, a 32-year-old
815
00:28:00,813 --> 00:28:01,345
>> ray krone, a 32-year-old
postal worker.
816
00:28:01,347 --> 00:28:02,680
Postal worker.
>> And in that film, the two
817
00:28:02,682 --> 00:28:11,155
>> and in that film, the two
detectives say that when they
818
00:28:11,157 --> 00:28:11,989
detectives say that when they
got to Ray's red corvette, they
819
00:28:11,991 --> 00:28:12,690
got to Ray's red corvette, they
opened up the trunk, and there
820
00:28:12,692 --> 00:28:13,457
opened up the trunk, and there
were bloody sheets in there.
821
00:28:13,459 --> 00:28:14,091
Were bloody sheets in there.
>> And we later found out
822
00:28:14,093 --> 00:28:15,092
>> and we later found out
through the crime-lab
823
00:28:15,094 --> 00:28:15,893
through the crime-lab
investigation that the blood
824
00:28:15,895 --> 00:28:16,427
investigation that the blood
came back to Kim ancona.
825
00:28:16,429 --> 00:28:17,895
Came back to Kim ancona.
>> There was no blood traced
826
00:28:17,897 --> 00:28:18,696
>> there was no blood traced
back to Kim in his possession.
827
00:28:18,698 --> 00:28:20,764
Back to Kim in his possession.
>> They got pictures of me
828
00:28:20,766 --> 00:28:21,632
>> they got pictures of me
running down the road. They
829
00:28:21,634 --> 00:28:23,100
running down the road. They
said I was charged with a
830
00:28:23,102 --> 00:28:23,667
said I was charged with a
sexual assault.
831
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:24,735
Sexual assault.
>> Based upon the evidence, ray
832
00:28:24,737 --> 00:28:26,303
>> based upon the evidence, ray
krone wanted to have sex with
833
00:28:26,305 --> 00:28:27,504
krone wanted to have sex with
Kim ancona that night. He was
834
00:28:27,506 --> 00:28:29,006
Kim ancona that night. He was
just shaking, he was so
835
00:28:29,008 --> 00:28:30,908
just shaking, he was so
nervous. He couldn't believe
836
00:28:30,910 --> 00:28:31,275
nervous. He couldn't believe
it.
837
00:28:31,277 --> 00:28:34,078
It.
>> Sexual assault ain't
838
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,279
>> sexual assault ain't
accepted in prison, so even the
839
00:28:35,281 --> 00:28:36,346
accepted in prison, so even the
people that had known me for
840
00:28:36,348 --> 00:28:38,082
people that had known me for
about a year or so were now
841
00:28:38,084 --> 00:28:39,483
about a year or so were now
about to cut my throat, just
842
00:28:39,485 --> 00:28:41,251
about to cut my throat, just
because of that episode there,
843
00:28:41,253 --> 00:28:44,288
because of that episode there,
making it sound like I had
844
00:28:44,290 --> 00:28:45,122
making it sound like I had
raped and assaulted this woman.
845
00:28:45,124 --> 00:28:50,527
Raped and assaulted this woman.
>> When they convicted ray this
846
00:28:50,529 --> 00:28:57,701
>> when they convicted ray this
time, it was clear to me that
847
00:28:57,703 --> 00:29:00,237
time, it was clear to me that
the justice system was not
848
00:29:00,239 --> 00:29:01,905
the justice system was not
gonna solve this case. If we
849
00:29:01,907 --> 00:29:03,040
gonna solve this case. If we
ever wanted to get ray freed,
850
00:29:03,042 --> 00:29:04,742
ever wanted to get ray freed,
it was a matter of now we're
851
00:29:04,744 --> 00:29:05,542
it was a matter of now we're
gonna have to solve this case.
852
00:29:05,544 --> 00:29:12,282
Gonna have to solve this case.
>> Ray's last hope lay with
853
00:29:12,284 --> 00:29:13,784
>> Ray's last hope lay with
finding the real killer. To
854
00:29:13,786 --> 00:29:15,052
finding the real killer. To
investigate, the defense
855
00:29:15,054 --> 00:29:15,986
investigate, the defense
brought on former homicide
856
00:29:15,988 --> 00:29:16,687
brought on former homicide
detective Thomas streed.
857
00:29:16,689 --> 00:29:18,055
Detective Thomas streed.
>> One of the things that the
858
00:29:18,057 --> 00:29:19,523
>> one of the things that the
police department was made
859
00:29:19,525 --> 00:29:22,159
police department was made
aware of was the fact that a
860
00:29:22,161 --> 00:29:23,494
aware of was the fact that a
neighbor living across from the
861
00:29:23,496 --> 00:29:27,264
neighbor living across from the
CBS lounge saw a native
862
00:29:27,266 --> 00:29:29,133
CBS lounge saw a native
American leaning against the
863
00:29:29,135 --> 00:29:31,201
American leaning against the
wall of CBS lounge by himself
864
00:29:31,203 --> 00:29:35,973
wall of CBS lounge by himself
during the early-morning hours.
865
00:29:35,975 --> 00:29:39,743
During the early-morning hours.
He essentially wrote out a note
866
00:29:39,745 --> 00:29:41,712
he essentially wrote out a note
to the police. He said, "the
867
00:29:41,714 --> 00:29:44,014
to the police. He said, "the
man you're looking for appears
868
00:29:44,016 --> 00:29:44,782
man you're looking for appears
to be an American Indian."
869
00:29:44,784 --> 00:29:46,817
To be an American Indian."
>> There was one woman that
870
00:29:46,819 --> 00:29:48,585
>> there was one woman that
knew Kim that was in the bar,
871
00:29:48,587 --> 00:29:49,887
knew Kim that was in the bar,
and she identified an American
872
00:29:49,889 --> 00:29:51,255
and she identified an American
Indian drinking in the bar that
873
00:29:51,257 --> 00:29:53,657
Indian drinking in the bar that
night that Kim ancona had
874
00:29:53,659 --> 00:29:54,158
night that Kim ancona had
kicked out.
875
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,293
Kicked out.
>> Kim and I were laughing at
876
00:29:56,295 --> 00:29:59,296
>> Kim and I were laughing at
this one guy. He was all
877
00:29:59,298 --> 00:30:02,232
this one guy. He was all
westerned out, but then he had
878
00:30:02,234 --> 00:30:03,834
westerned out, but then he had
a pair of ugly tennis shoes on.
879
00:30:03,836 --> 00:30:05,536
A pair of ugly tennis shoes on.
He wanted another beer, and she
880
00:30:05,538 --> 00:30:08,906
he wanted another beer, and she
said, "no, I'm cutting you off.
881
00:30:08,908 --> 00:30:13,644
Said, "no, I'm cutting you off.
You've had enough." That
882
00:30:13,646 --> 00:30:15,779
you've had enough." That
probably made him mad. I told
883
00:30:15,781 --> 00:30:17,347
probably made him mad. I told
Noel Levy that I believed that
884
00:30:17,349 --> 00:30:19,917
Noel Levy that I believed that
ray krone did not do this and
885
00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:21,952
ray krone did not do this and
that the guy that was at the
886
00:30:21,954 --> 00:30:22,953
that the guy that was at the
bar, I said, would give him all
887
00:30:22,955 --> 00:30:24,521
bar, I said, would give him all
reason to do this,'cause he got
888
00:30:24,523 --> 00:30:25,956
reason to do this,'cause he got
cut off. But Levy was cranky
889
00:30:25,958 --> 00:30:27,624
cut off. But Levy was cranky
with me. He was set that ray
890
00:30:27,626 --> 00:30:29,493
with me. He was set that ray
krone did it -- you know, his
891
00:30:29,495 --> 00:30:29,827
krone did it -- you know, his
teeth marks.
892
00:30:29,829 --> 00:30:32,062
Teeth marks.
>> Detectives investigated
893
00:30:32,064 --> 00:30:34,364
>> detectives investigated
Terry's tip without success.
894
00:30:34,366 --> 00:30:36,767
Terry's tip without success.
But by 1998, law enforcement
895
00:30:36,769 --> 00:30:39,436
but by 1998, law enforcement
was developing a new tool -- a
896
00:30:39,438 --> 00:30:44,341
was developing a new tool -- a
national DNA database called
897
00:30:44,343 --> 00:30:44,741
national DNA database called
codis.
898
00:30:44,743 --> 00:30:50,681
Codis.
>> I glommed on to that as
899
00:30:50,683 --> 00:30:52,015
>> I glommed on to that as
Ray's salvation, that these
900
00:30:52,017 --> 00:30:53,450
Ray's salvation, that these
databases are gonna eventually
901
00:30:53,452 --> 00:30:54,618
databases are gonna eventually
get populated, and then we
902
00:30:54,620 --> 00:30:56,453
get populated, and then we
could put the profile into the
903
00:30:56,455 --> 00:30:58,055
could put the profile into the
database and find out who
904
00:30:58,057 --> 00:30:58,822
database and find out who
actually killed Kim ancona.
905
00:30:58,824 --> 00:31:03,994
Actually killed Kim ancona.
>> By 2001, Ray's team believed
906
00:31:03,996 --> 00:31:05,495
>> by 2001, Ray's team believed
codis was strong enough for a
907
00:31:05,497 --> 00:31:06,964
codis was strong enough for a
new round of tests. They filed
908
00:31:06,966 --> 00:31:10,801
new round of tests. They filed
motions for access to Kim
909
00:31:10,803 --> 00:31:11,435
motions for access to Kim
ancona's clothing.
910
00:31:11,437 --> 00:31:13,871
Ancona's clothing.
>> I wanted to see all of her
911
00:31:13,873 --> 00:31:21,245
>> I wanted to see all of her
garments, all of her clothing,
912
00:31:21,247 --> 00:31:22,579
garments, all of her clothing,
because when an individual is
913
00:31:22,581 --> 00:31:24,314
because when an individual is
in the process of carrying out
914
00:31:24,316 --> 00:31:26,049
in the process of carrying out
an assault on someone with an
915
00:31:26,051 --> 00:31:27,217
an assault on someone with an
edged weapon, with a knife,
916
00:31:27,219 --> 00:31:28,118
edged weapon, with a knife,
their hand slips off of the
917
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:28,952
their hand slips off of the
grip over the blade. They
918
00:31:28,954 --> 00:31:30,087
grip over the blade. They
accidentally cut themselves. So
919
00:31:30,089 --> 00:31:32,055
accidentally cut themselves. So
this individual's blood might
920
00:31:32,057 --> 00:31:35,826
this individual's blood might
have wound up on the victim's
921
00:31:35,828 --> 00:31:36,293
have wound up on the victim's
clothing.
922
00:31:36,295 --> 00:31:38,562
Clothing.
>> We originally requested the
923
00:31:38,564 --> 00:31:40,464
>> we originally requested the
DNA testing in October. It was
924
00:31:40,466 --> 00:31:41,899
DNA testing in October. It was
granted by the judge, and we
925
00:31:41,901 --> 00:31:44,334
granted by the judge, and we
were told it would take six to
926
00:31:44,336 --> 00:31:46,937
were told it would take six to
eight weeks. So, November went
927
00:31:46,939 --> 00:31:50,073
eight weeks. So, November went
by, December went by, January
928
00:31:50,075 --> 00:31:52,609
by, December went by, January
went by, and we still ain't
929
00:31:52,611 --> 00:31:53,744
went by, and we still ain't
heard no results. And I'm like,
930
00:31:53,746 --> 00:31:54,745
heard no results. And I'm like,
"what's going on? " And then it
931
00:31:54,747 --> 00:31:55,779
"what's going on? " And then it
turned out that they actually
932
00:31:55,781 --> 00:32:00,083
turned out that they actually
had the test results done. They
933
00:32:00,085 --> 00:32:05,222
had the test results done. They
didn't like the results,'cause
934
00:32:05,224 --> 00:32:08,759
didn't like the results,'cause
>> five years after ray krone's
935
00:32:08,761 --> 00:32:09,760
>> five years after ray krone's
second conviction, he waited in
936
00:32:09,762 --> 00:32:10,761
second conviction, he waited in
prison for the results of a new
937
00:32:10,763 --> 00:32:11,395
prison for the results of a new
round of DNA tests.
938
00:32:11,397 --> 00:32:13,096
Round of DNA tests.
>> A DNA profile was uploaded
939
00:32:13,098 --> 00:32:14,798
>> a DNA profile was uploaded
into the codis national DNA
940
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:15,832
into the codis national DNA
database. Whether the person
941
00:32:15,834 --> 00:32:16,833
database. Whether the person
that did the crime was in the
942
00:32:16,835 --> 00:32:17,801
that did the crime was in the
database -- that was a shot in
943
00:32:17,803 --> 00:32:19,369
database -- that was a shot in
the dark. But in the end, they
944
00:32:19,371 --> 00:32:20,637
the dark. But in the end, they
got a hit towards a person
945
00:32:20,639 --> 00:32:21,271
got a hit towards a person
named Ken Phillips.
946
00:32:21,273 --> 00:32:28,712
Named Ken Phillips.
>> Kenneth Phillips was a hopi
947
00:32:28,714 --> 00:32:31,081
>> Kenneth Phillips was a hopi
Indian that lived about 500
948
00:32:31,083 --> 00:32:33,250
Indian that lived about 500
yards from the CBS lounge. He
949
00:32:33,252 --> 00:32:41,058
yards from the CBS lounge. He
was a hardcore drinker. He had
950
00:32:41,060 --> 00:32:41,825
was a hardcore drinker. He had
a record of sexual assault.
951
00:32:41,827 --> 00:32:44,695
A record of sexual assault.
>> Phillips was already in
952
00:32:44,697 --> 00:32:45,595
>> Phillips was already in
prison for sexual assault, and
953
00:32:45,597 --> 00:32:46,363
prison for sexual assault, and
he matched the description
954
00:32:46,365 --> 00:32:47,898
he matched the description
given to police on the morning
955
00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:48,432
given to police on the morning
of the murder.
956
00:32:48,434 --> 00:32:51,368
Of the murder.
>> I called up Noel Levy, and I
957
00:32:51,370 --> 00:32:52,569
>> I called up Noel Levy, and I
said, "you know, you have to
958
00:32:52,571 --> 00:32:54,905
said, "you know, you have to
release ray krone, and you have
959
00:32:54,907 --> 00:32:56,173
release ray krone, and you have
to release him now." And he
960
00:32:56,175 --> 00:32:57,474
to release him now." And he
said, "no. That's a tentative
961
00:32:57,476 --> 00:32:58,809
said, "no. That's a tentative
hit. That's just a mistake.
962
00:32:58,811 --> 00:32:59,343
Hit. That's just a mistake.
It's a fluke."
963
00:32:59,345 --> 00:33:02,846
It's a fluke."
>> With the prosecutor's office
964
00:33:02,848 --> 00:33:04,414
>> with the prosecutor's office
dragging their feet, Ray's
965
00:33:04,416 --> 00:33:06,750
dragging their feet, Ray's
forensic investigator, Thomas
966
00:33:06,752 --> 00:33:15,492
forensic investigator, Thomas
streed, visited Phillips in
967
00:33:15,494 --> 00:33:15,926
streed, visited Phillips in
prison.
968
00:33:15,928 --> 00:33:17,194
Prison.
>> We were seated at a table in
969
00:33:17,196 --> 00:33:18,095
>> we were seated at a table in
the cafeteria, and I said, "you
970
00:33:18,097 --> 00:33:19,162
the cafeteria, and I said, "you
must have felt absolutely
971
00:33:19,164 --> 00:33:20,764
must have felt absolutely
horrible coming home that night,
972
00:33:20,766 --> 00:33:21,865
horrible coming home that night,
all covered with all of that
973
00:33:21,867 --> 00:33:22,132
all covered with all of that
blood."
974
00:33:22,134 --> 00:33:32,476
Blood."
>> over the course of the
975
00:33:32,478 --> 00:33:33,677
>> over the course of the
interrogation, Phillips
976
00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:35,746
interrogation, Phillips
recalled an altercation with
977
00:33:35,748 --> 00:33:38,382
recalled an altercation with
Kim ancona and later waking up
978
00:33:38,384 --> 00:33:39,082
Kim ancona and later waking up
with blood on his hands.
979
00:33:39,084 --> 00:33:47,190
With blood on his hands.
>> After the conversation with
980
00:33:47,192 --> 00:33:48,291
>> after the conversation with
him ended, we were convinced
981
00:33:48,293 --> 00:33:50,227
him ended, we were convinced
that he was absolutely,
982
00:33:50,229 --> 00:33:51,028
that he was absolutely,
unequivocally, without any
983
00:33:51,030 --> 00:33:52,429
unequivocally, without any
question whatsoever the sole
984
00:33:52,431 --> 00:33:57,134
question whatsoever the sole
individual responsible for
985
00:33:57,136 --> 00:33:57,901
individual responsible for
Kimberly ancona's murder.
986
00:33:57,903 --> 00:33:59,369
Kimberly ancona's murder.
>> Streed's suspicions were
987
00:33:59,371 --> 00:34:00,237
>> streed's suspicions were
confirmed when the hair and
988
00:34:00,239 --> 00:34:01,605
confirmed when the hair and
fingerprints found on the scene
989
00:34:01,607 --> 00:34:02,773
fingerprints found on the scene
matched back to Kenneth
990
00:34:02,775 --> 00:34:03,240
matched back to Kenneth
Phillips.
991
00:34:03,242 --> 00:34:04,941
Phillips.
>> And here's the great part --
992
00:34:04,943 --> 00:34:08,478
>> and here's the great part --
Kenneth Phillips does not have
993
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:09,546
Kenneth Phillips does not have
crooked teeth. Their entire
994
00:34:09,548 --> 00:34:10,747
crooked teeth. Their entire
theory that only someone with
995
00:34:10,749 --> 00:34:12,049
theory that only someone with
crooked teeth could have bit
996
00:34:12,051 --> 00:34:13,283
crooked teeth could have bit
that woman on the breast as he
997
00:34:13,285 --> 00:34:14,851
that woman on the breast as he
killed her was wrong from the
998
00:34:14,853 --> 00:34:15,252
killed her was wrong from the
start.
999
00:34:15,254 --> 00:34:18,755
Start.
>> On April 8, 2002, ray
1000
00:34:18,757 --> 00:34:19,556
>> on April 8, 2002, ray
received a phone call from his
1001
00:34:19,558 --> 00:34:20,090
received a phone call from his
defense team.
1002
00:34:20,092 --> 00:34:22,225
Defense team.
>> My attorney, he said, "ray,
1003
00:34:22,227 --> 00:34:27,597
>> my attorney, he said, "ray,
how are you doing today? " I
1004
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:29,099
how are you doing today? " I
said, "fine. Just another day
1005
00:34:29,101 --> 00:34:30,167
said, "fine. Just another day
in paradise." He laughed, and
1006
00:34:30,169 --> 00:34:31,034
in paradise." He laughed, and
then he said, "well, what are
1007
00:34:31,036 --> 00:34:32,502
then he said, "well, what are
you hungry for? You want
1008
00:34:32,504 --> 00:34:35,105
you hungry for? You want
seafood, Mexican food, steak, a
1009
00:34:35,107 --> 00:34:37,107
seafood, Mexican food, steak, a
beer? What would you like? " I
1010
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:39,342
beer? What would you like? " I
said, "what are you talking
1011
00:34:39,344 --> 00:34:42,279
said, "what are you talking
about? I'll eat whatever's in
1012
00:34:42,281 --> 00:34:43,213
about? I'll eat whatever's in
the chow." He said, "I just got
1013
00:34:43,215 --> 00:34:44,481
the chow." He said, "I just got
off the phone with the
1014
00:34:44,483 --> 00:34:45,916
off the phone with the
prosecutor's office. They just
1015
00:34:45,918 --> 00:34:47,017
prosecutor's office. They just
got back from the judge's
1016
00:34:47,019 --> 00:34:48,418
got back from the judge's
chambers. They're cutting the
1017
00:34:48,420 --> 00:34:49,453
chambers. They're cutting the
paperwork. You're coming home
1018
00:34:49,455 --> 00:34:50,987
paperwork. You're coming home
today." And of course, I --
1019
00:34:50,989 --> 00:34:53,023
today." and of course, I --
"what -- what did you just say?
1020
00:34:53,025 --> 00:34:53,924
"What -- what did you just say?
" He said, "roll up, ray. It's
1021
00:34:53,926 --> 00:34:57,360
" he said, "roll up, ray. It's
all over. You're coming home."
1022
00:34:57,362 --> 00:34:59,863
All over. You're coming home."
>> I drove over to the prison
1023
00:34:59,865 --> 00:35:02,099
>> I drove over to the prison
in Arizona, and I could hear a
1024
00:35:02,101 --> 00:35:03,834
in Arizona, and I could hear a
big, you know, clapping and
1025
00:35:03,836 --> 00:35:04,534
big, you know, clapping and
yelling and so forth.
1026
00:35:04,536 --> 00:35:09,306
Yelling and so forth.
>> They're all jumping up down
1027
00:35:09,308 --> 00:35:10,107
>> they're all jumping up down
here. They had the TV was on.
1028
00:35:10,109 --> 00:35:10,974
Here. They had the TV was on.
It was saying about how I was
1029
00:35:10,976 --> 00:35:11,942
it was saying about how I was
being released. And they're all
1030
00:35:11,944 --> 00:35:13,543
being released. And they're all
-- emotional things happened
1031
00:35:13,545 --> 00:35:15,145
-- emotional things happened
that I still remember. They're
1032
00:35:15,147 --> 00:35:16,146
that I still remember. They're
jumping up and down in their
1033
00:35:16,148 --> 00:35:17,814
jumping up and down in their
beds, saying, "go home, ray
1034
00:35:17,816 --> 00:35:18,815
beds, saying, "go home, ray
krone. Go home, ray krone."
1035
00:35:18,817 --> 00:35:19,716
Krone. Go home, ray krone."
They're all excited for me,
1036
00:35:19,718 --> 00:35:20,917
they're all excited for me,
'cause they just seen on TV it
1037
00:35:20,919 --> 00:35:22,652
'cause they just seen on TV it
was just announced that I was
1038
00:35:22,654 --> 00:35:23,220
was just announced that I was
being released.
1039
00:35:23,222 --> 00:35:24,721
Being released.
>> As soon as I got the call
1040
00:35:24,723 --> 00:35:28,158
>> as soon as I got the call
that ray was being released,
1041
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,693
that ray was being released,
called my husband and Ray's
1042
00:35:29,695 --> 00:35:33,663
called my husband and Ray's
younger brother, and the three
1043
00:35:33,665 --> 00:35:34,965
younger brother, and the three
of US drove straight through,
1044
00:35:34,967 --> 00:35:36,333
of US drove straight through,
27 hours to Phoenix. Man.
1045
00:35:36,335 --> 00:35:40,437
27 hours to Phoenix. Man.
To see him standing on free
1046
00:35:40,439 --> 00:35:41,505
to see him standing on free
ground and able to touch him
1047
00:35:41,507 --> 00:35:42,739
ground and able to touch him
and talk to him, you know, it
1048
00:35:42,741 --> 00:35:47,444
and talk to him, you know, it
was like, "this is what we've
1049
00:35:47,446 --> 00:35:50,680
was like, "this is what we've
been waiting for, and now it
1050
00:35:50,682 --> 00:35:53,116
been waiting for, and now it
finally happened." It was a
1051
00:35:53,118 --> 00:35:55,018
finally happened." It was a
dream. Now nothing's gonna keep
1052
00:35:55,020 --> 00:35:57,587
dream. Now nothing's gonna keep
US away from ray for as long as
1053
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:59,656
US away from ray for as long as
we want. And he can eat what he
1054
00:35:59,658 --> 00:36:03,260
we want. And he can eat what he
wants and go where he wants and
1055
00:36:03,262 --> 00:36:05,195
wants and go where he wants and
wear what he wants and say what
1056
00:36:05,197 --> 00:36:08,365
wear what he wants and say what
he wants, and -- - it's
1057
00:36:08,367 --> 00:36:08,932
he wants, and -- - it's
gonna be great.
1058
00:36:08,934 --> 00:36:12,135
Gonna be great.
>> I got a phone call from a
1059
00:36:12,137 --> 00:36:20,977
>> I got a phone call from a
friend said, "you need to turn
1060
00:36:20,979 --> 00:36:23,680
friend said, "you need to turn
on the TV right now." And I
1061
00:36:23,682 --> 00:36:25,382
on the TV right now." And I
turned it on, and they were
1062
00:36:25,384 --> 00:36:26,216
turned it on, and they were
talking about letting him go.
1063
00:36:26,218 --> 00:36:28,318
Talking about letting him go.
At first, I was in shock. "Why?
1064
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,687
At first, I was in shock. "Why?
What's going on? " And as I
1065
00:36:30,689 --> 00:36:35,091
what's going on? " And as I
listened to the rest of the
1066
00:36:35,093 --> 00:36:36,359
listened to the rest of the
story, they said based off of
1067
00:36:36,361 --> 00:36:38,495
story, they said based off of
DNA evidence, and that is when
1068
00:36:38,497 --> 00:36:39,396
DNA evidence, and that is when
it clicked, he really didn't do
1069
00:36:39,398 --> 00:36:39,729
it clicked, he really didn't do
it.
1070
00:36:39,731 --> 00:36:47,437
It.
>> During the trial, he seemed
1071
00:36:47,439 --> 00:36:49,472
>> during the trial, he seemed
very cocky and confident, and
1072
00:36:49,474 --> 00:36:52,175
very cocky and confident, and
that made me feel a lot of
1073
00:36:52,177 --> 00:36:53,843
that made me feel a lot of
anger. I realized why he was
1074
00:36:53,845 --> 00:36:55,545
anger. I realized why he was
like that -- because he was
1075
00:36:55,547 --> 00:36:56,012
like that -- because he was
innocent.
1076
00:36:56,014 --> 00:36:59,716
Innocent.
>> Kenneth Phillips eventually
1077
00:36:59,718 --> 00:37:03,920
>> Kenneth Phillips eventually
pleaded guilty to the murder of
1078
00:37:03,922 --> 00:37:06,656
pleaded guilty to the murder of
Kim ancona. He was sentenced to
1079
00:37:06,658 --> 00:37:07,290
Kim ancona. He was sentenced to
53 years in prison.
1080
00:37:07,292 --> 00:37:11,027
53 years in prison.
>> We owed it to Kim to find
1081
00:37:11,029 --> 00:37:12,896
>> we owed it to Kim to find
the man who really killed her,
1082
00:37:12,898 --> 00:37:17,467
the man who really killed her,
not to send an innocent man to
1083
00:37:17,469 --> 00:37:18,835
not to send an innocent man to
prison. Kim deserved so much
1084
00:37:18,837 --> 00:37:19,903
prison. Kim deserved so much
better. Her family deserved so
1085
00:37:19,905 --> 00:37:20,403
better. Her family deserved so
much better.
1086
00:37:20,405 --> 00:37:28,044
Much better.
>> I actually apologized to
1087
00:37:28,046 --> 00:37:30,280
>> I actually apologized to
ray. I wrote him. I told him
1088
00:37:30,282 --> 00:37:31,548
ray. I wrote him. I told him
that I'm very thankful that he
1089
00:37:31,550 --> 00:37:33,450
that I'm very thankful that he
was proven innocent. And then
1090
00:37:33,452 --> 00:37:35,285
was proven innocent. And then
him losing 11 years of his life,
1091
00:37:35,287 --> 00:37:36,553
him losing 11 years of his life,
something he didn't do, it was
1092
00:37:36,555 --> 00:37:37,687
something he didn't do, it was
really heartbreaking. I felt
1093
00:37:37,689 --> 00:37:37,954
really heartbreaking. I felt
guilty.
1094
00:37:37,956 --> 00:37:39,856
Guilty.
>> After spending over a decade
1095
00:37:39,858 --> 00:37:41,324
>> after spending over a decade
in prison, ray krone became the
1096
00:37:41,326 --> 00:37:42,492
in prison, ray krone became the
100th death row exoneree in the
1097
00:37:42,494 --> 00:37:43,059
100th death row exoneree in the
United States.
1098
00:37:43,061 --> 00:37:48,898
United States.
>> People started to question,
1099
00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:50,300
>> people started to question,
how could a regular person be
1100
00:37:50,302 --> 00:37:52,335
how could a regular person be
put on death row and convicted
1101
00:37:52,337 --> 00:37:53,937
put on death row and convicted
not once, but twice based upon
1102
00:37:53,939 --> 00:37:54,571
not once, but twice based upon
bite-Mark evidence.
1103
00:37:54,573 --> 00:37:57,307
Bite-Mark evidence.
>> And so bite-Mark analysis --
1104
00:37:57,309 --> 00:37:59,809
>> and so bite-Mark analysis --
is it a valuable crime-fighting
1105
00:37:59,811 --> 00:38:00,577
is it a valuable crime-fighting
tool, or is it junk science?
1106
00:38:00,579 --> 00:38:03,146
Tool, or is it junk science?
>> Ray krone's story -- I think
1107
00:38:03,148 --> 00:38:03,980
>> ray krone's story -- I think
what most people see and worry
1108
00:38:03,982 --> 00:38:05,282
what most people see and worry
about is that there could be
1109
00:38:05,284 --> 00:38:06,449
about is that there could be
others like him that were
1110
00:38:06,451 --> 00:38:07,651
others like him that were
convicted on this sort of
1111
00:38:07,653 --> 00:38:08,418
convicted on this sort of
science, they got it wrong.
1112
00:38:08,420 --> 00:38:10,253
Science, they got it wrong.
>> Ray's story was a horror
1113
00:38:10,255 --> 00:38:11,254
>> Ray's story was a horror
story. This is a totally
1114
00:38:11,256 --> 00:38:12,389
story. This is a totally
innocent guy who gets caught up
1115
00:38:12,391 --> 00:38:14,524
innocent guy who gets caught up
in the egos and incompetence of
1116
00:38:14,526 --> 00:38:16,026
in the egos and incompetence of
people in Arizona and ends up
1117
00:38:16,028 --> 00:38:17,527
people in Arizona and ends up
losing 10 years of his life. It
1118
00:38:17,529 --> 00:38:20,363
losing 10 years of his life. It
was a travesty of justice. I
1119
00:38:20,365 --> 00:38:21,898
was a travesty of justice. I
would hope people in Arizona
1120
00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:23,233
would hope people in Arizona
had learned from the ray krone
1121
00:38:23,235 --> 00:38:24,567
had learned from the ray krone
case, but I wouldn't bet my
1122
00:38:24,569 --> 00:38:25,068
case, but I wouldn't bet my
life on it.
1123
00:38:25,070 --> 00:38:28,071
Life on it.
>> I lost complete faith in the
1124
00:38:28,073 --> 00:38:30,073
>> I lost complete faith in the
entire system, and that's when
1125
00:38:30,075 --> 00:38:31,708
entire system, and that's when
I started realizing and
1126
00:38:31,710 --> 00:38:34,511
I started realizing and
thinking, "he's probably not
1127
00:38:34,513 --> 00:38:35,512
thinking, "he's probably not
the only one, and this has
1128
00:38:35,514 --> 00:38:36,079
the only one, and this has
happened a lot."
1129
00:38:36,081 --> 00:38:37,814
Happened a lot."
>> If they can put me on death
1130
00:38:37,816 --> 00:38:39,115
>> if they can put me on death
row, they put anybody on death
1131
00:38:39,117 --> 00:38:40,150
row, they put anybody on death
row. I didn't have a record.
1132
00:38:40,152 --> 00:38:41,351
Row. I didn't have a record.
I'm not a monster. I'm a
1133
00:38:41,353 --> 00:38:42,419
I'm not a monster. I'm a
veteran. I work for the post
1134
00:38:42,421 --> 00:38:43,620
veteran. I work for the post
office. And so I share my story
1135
00:38:43,622 --> 00:38:45,455
office. And so I share my story
with civilians, people in law
1136
00:38:45,457 --> 00:38:46,589
with civilians, people in law
school, people in colleges,
1137
00:38:46,591 --> 00:38:48,758
school, people in colleges,
people in churches that one day
1138
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,760
people in churches that one day
might serve on a jury. You know,
1139
00:38:50,762 --> 00:38:52,362
might serve on a jury. You know,
just make sure you got beyond
1140
00:38:52,364 --> 00:38:54,464
just make sure you got beyond
reasonable doubt that they are
1141
00:38:54,466 --> 00:38:55,865
reasonable doubt that they are
guilty, that just because they
1142
00:38:55,867 --> 00:38:57,667
guilty, that just because they
were arrested doesn't mean they
1143
00:38:57,669 --> 00:38:58,935
were arrested doesn't mean they
did something. If we kill them,
1144
00:38:58,937 --> 00:39:00,070
did something. If we kill them,
we can't bring them back if we
1145
00:39:00,072 --> 00:39:00,837
we can't bring them back if we
found out we made a mistake,
1146
00:39:00,839 --> 00:39:15,785
found out we made a mistake,
and we do make mistakes.
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