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*** SONG LIVES FOR EVER ***
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United Kingdom?
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[wind blowing]
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[waves crashing]
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It's just basically an island,
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about 26 miles from France.
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By by by water. [chuckles]
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But I wouldn't go
in a rowing boat.
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And I'd lock your lorry
up if you're coming back.
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[laughing]
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I voted to leave...
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because I read a book once,
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and it said, it was
about relationships.
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and it said: "Early
in a relationship,
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people sometimes get
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an alarm bell ringing that
it's not working out.
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But they choose to ignore it."
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And I saw that happening
with us being in the EU.
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And it sounds ridiculous, but
it was about a cucumber!
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The... I'm certain I
read in the paper,
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much to my as... bemusement,
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that the EU was saying
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cucumbers were no long...
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the curly ones that
were misshaped,
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that wasn't acceptable.
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They had to be a uniform
shape and size.
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And that was the
beginning for me.
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And little by little, I
started to notice that,
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our sovereignty and democracy,
as I saw it, was eroding.
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2016 was a year that...
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that will go down in
history as the year...
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that yet again,
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the British destroyed
the European Union.
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[water lapping the shore]
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2016 was a year...
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that finally the people
got what they wanted.
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And 2016 was a year...
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that will go down in history
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as the biggest democratic vote
the UK's ever undertaken.
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Some people are just
struggling with...
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the circumstances that
they are in themselves.
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And they just desperately
need somebody to blame.
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Brexit was a mash-up of
the words "Britain Exit."
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defining the...
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the case before Britain to
leave the European Union.
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It happened in 2016...
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in the United Kingdom.
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The vote was whether or not Britain
should leave or remain in the EU.
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And how that'd affect the
country and mostly Europe.
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It does not affect
where England would be
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geographically on the map,
as many people would say,
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we're now out of Europe.
That's just irrelevant.
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We'll always be part of Europe but
not part of the European Union.
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Brexit was one a very
rare opportunities,
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for people to say what they
wanted to say or actually,
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it's one of these very
rare opportunities
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where they could say "Fuck
off" to the government.
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I didn't think that we'd leave.
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I thought the overall look
would be to stay, you know.
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I was quite confused
a little bit whether
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"Have I made the right decision?
Have I made the wrong decision?"
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One of those kind of feelings.
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Well, I was quite surprised
that Brexit got the vote.
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Very surprised indeed.
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I'm a pissed of Brit.
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I'm Ibrahim Ismail.
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I'm a Muslim and proud.
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I'm a Boltonian.
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From "Boltopia."
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Where are we?
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We're on a... we're on a
precipice at the moment.
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And we can either fall or fly.
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If the "Remain" camp
was Project Fear,
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then, in my opinion, a one-word,
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description of those who...
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voted to leave would
be freedom-lovers.
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A terrible shock when I got
up in the morning and...
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realized we were out.
I just sat and cried.
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That's right, I cried, yeah?
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My heart said "Out."
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But my head said
"In", so I voted in.
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I'm Charlotte, I'm in London,
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and I voted for Brexit,
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and I support UKIP.
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People essentially want
British money, British funds,
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British work to stay
in Britain for Brits.
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And really, you can't
complain about that.
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History tells us
that any empire,
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from the Roman Empire,
the Ottoman Empire,
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French Empire, the British
Empire, the Soviet Empire.
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if an empire gets too
big, it implodes.
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And I felt the European Union
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is too big and it is
going to implode.
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At this age, it takes
a lot to shock me.
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It's like "Where were you when
President Kennedy was assassinated?"
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I'll always remember, I was
filling the kettle and it said
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about it, you know,
and I went...
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My jaw dropped, and...
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I was so proud of
my fellow voters,
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and I thought, that will
show the politicians,
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who think that we're a
stupid bunch of shopkeepers,
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as Hitler said it,
that we've got a mind,
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and we'll only take so much,
and then it's... "No-no."
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Scotland is fucking raging
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over the EU referendum results.
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You only have to look
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at the map of where
the results came from
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to see how Scotland voted
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versus how other parts
of the UK voted.
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And this is a consistent chain
that we're seeing again and again
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as the UK votes collectively
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on really quite urgent issues.
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Here we are in Plymouth,
welcome to Plymouth.
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And this is an area
which would have voted
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which did vote
predominantly for exit.
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It's a very easy area to...
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go out on a right wing sentiment
of vote to push to the right
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because it's economically
very vulnerable.
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It's very deprived.
There's a lot of people,
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on zero-hour-contracts here.
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There's a lot of people
who are being termed now,
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the JAMs, the "just
about managing."
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They are working essentially
to pay for food,
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rent and bills and that's it.
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Whether they're right or wrong,
if you ask someone on the street,
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if... what they think about the state
of Britain, most people will say,
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that it's declining, so they'd
look for a change, whether it's...
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something they know as a definite
or something that's just a chance.
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Unfortunately, I was unable
to vote in the referendum,
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as I am under the age of 18.
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I think people are still shocked
about the result in the end.
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They didn't expect it.
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They thought: " Okay, we'll put our
opinions down and then actually...
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Maybe, obviously...
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the result turned
out to be an exit.
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And it was quite a shock so,
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it's going to be a massive change
in the country, I think, yeah...
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and people are merely...
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Not really decided, obviously,
what's gonna happen
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We don't know exact...
I mean we've left,
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fair enough, but officially,
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in a couple years' time once
everything's get settled down,
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I think there's going
to be massive changes
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where people haven't really
thought about deeply,
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or haven't been told about
of what actually it means.
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All change, as far
as I'm concerned,
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all change is really,
really good.
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All change creates movement,
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creates new money, creates
new opportunities,
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and and that would
be my personality,
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would be to just shut my
eyes and jump and do it.
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We're just sick
to the back teeth
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of the politicians turning
around and saying to us:
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"Oh, you disagree with us?"
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"We're not getting
her point across."
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"Oh, you don't
understand the issues."
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"You've been lied to..."
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Well, no, the message
is: "We do understand."
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"We're sick of your arrogance,
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we're sick of your
not listening to us,
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and by voting to
get out of Europe,
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we hoped to get rid of,
at least one layer,
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of these arrogant parasites."
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Everybody thinks about
the world in a way...
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of how it is now.
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And things in the world have
only really been stable,
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and we've been
lucky with that...
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in relatively pretty
much just this century,
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in fact, not even that.
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And I think everybody's got very
comfortable with the idea of stability.
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And I suppose I had a question
in the back of my mind of
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what if the world
becomes unstable?
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And in that circumstance...
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I'd want a government...
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where they're accountable
to the people...
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who've voted for them.
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And I felt like the little
man has more say...
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just to their own government,
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than a central giant
European government,
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that's almost like a
global conglomerate.
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I mean I got called uneducated.
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I was an un... an
uneducated man,
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by a lady in the office, and...
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But everyone's...
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Everyone's entitled
to their vote.
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That's the beauty,
you know, of the UK,
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the British
government, you know.
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You're entitled to your vote,
and you have a right to vote,
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and it does matter
whichever you vote for,
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but you've still got
your own opinion.
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I think...
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Remain voters are smarter
than Leave voters.
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And that makes me a snob?
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Fine!
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I think the Leave vote...
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was very enticing because
it's simultaneously
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rebellious and patriotic.
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It takes a fuck load of boxes
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for someone who's
driven by emotion
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and doesn't really
understand what's going on.
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I think...
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Remain voters,
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I think it's harder to come
to a pro-Remain decision,
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because it takes more work,
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it takes more reading.
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Very few people have an
emotional connection to the EU,
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because by definition
it's this large...
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relatively faceless body.
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Because it's an
administrative body,
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and that's what they like,
that's what they are.
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One of the crazy regulations,
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that the EU imposed
on the sheep industry
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is the electronic tally.
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And you will see the
sheep behind us.
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They have a tag in each ear.
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The yellow one is an electronic
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chip with an individual ID.
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The other tag is exactly
the same without the chip.
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Well, one tag would have done.
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We get problems with fly strike.
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The tags fall out.
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So...
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It's been successful in a way...
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But one tag's fine.
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Two tags are so very unnecessary.
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Over 60% of the fish caught...
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within the whole of Europe is
caught within British waters.
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So this area, this is area seven,
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stretches from the Davis Straight,
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right round through to the Isle of Man.
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And in that area the UK can
take 12% of the catch.
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So, if you compare
that with, say France,
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who we share the
English Channel with,
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and share these waters with...
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France can take 60% of
the European shares.
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So for a long time,
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as fishermen we felt that
we had a very bad deal.
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Europeans living in the UK
were not allowed to vote
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in the referendum on Brexit,
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which is fine, you know?
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They're not hosts there.
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They haven't got a
British passport.
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They're just guests, you know,
coming an living and going.
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That's fine.
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If they were, you know,
allowed to vote,
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the result would
probably be different.
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If I was allowed to vote...
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I would vote to leave.
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Funny enough.
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Before we went into Europe,
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we was the second richest
country in the world.
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All we ever do in this country,
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is give, give, give,
give, give, give, give.
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When were in the EU,
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you know, Poland's economy
in factories is fried,
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and yet we're still
given them, like...
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all that money, millions
and millions of pounds.
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Every time something happens
in the world Britain
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helps out well why should we?
No one ever helps us.
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My parents came from Ghana...
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and they came when in the 20's
and it was really really hard.
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But... and for them to... they hadn't
didn't have many opportunities
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and they worked really hard
and worked the way up.
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My Mom's a teacher, my Dad
works in town planning.
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And I can understand their
reasons for voting out.
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Because over the years
they keep saying
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how much easier it is for
people who come over here
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and go straight
away on benefits.
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They come over here
and they don't...
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all they've got to do is get
pregnant and they get given a house
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whereas people already in this
country who need it don't get it.
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So it was more the...
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Would I say the piss takers?
The mickey...!
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The ones that take the
mickey out of the system.
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That's what confuted my Mum's
reason for voting out.
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I wouldn't say that I'm a particular
fan of the European Union,
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and that, you know, it's a
neoliberal institution.
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It isn't very good at supporting
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ordinary working class
people in their rights.
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But I wasn't in it...
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it wasn't an election about
whether I like it or not.
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It was about an election whether
we remain within it or not.
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So I voted remain for
a number of reasons,
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largely because the election
as it ended up being,
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wasn't an election about whether we
remain or leave the European Union.
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But it became an election
about immigration.
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Political correctness
influenced the Brexit vote
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by making large sections
of the population
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who had perfectly reasonable
concerns about immigration
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feel as though they
were not even able
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to open their mouths to
voice these opinions,
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for fear of being shouted
down by their contemporaries,
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for fear of possibly
even being criminalized
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if they express this
on social media
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or in any other published form.
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And I think...
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you have what is now
really the silent majority
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of the people who want
to say these things,
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but feel so restricted by the
culture that we're living in,
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that they have no way to
express their opinions.
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I think the UK as
an open country.
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They don't want, we
don't want to...
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And I'm gonna use... it's white
people aren't allowed to be...
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They're the only people
that can't be racist.
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Everybody else can
say what to think.
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White people aren't allowed
to say what they think
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because they're
gonna be a racist.
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I think Britain, they
don't want our freedom
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and express freedom of
expression of speech.
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We can say what we like... within
reason obviously, you know.
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But... all of a sudden
there's a lot of
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Muslim people coming in who
have different values.
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They treat their women different.
They treat, ahm...
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society different and
people are afraid.
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You know, they're saying... because
these people do not value life.
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They value death.
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And... I don't mean all of them, you
know, I just mean the radicals.
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But people just feel they're
all radicals and they're not.
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People act... whenever you're
scared, people would worry.
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But no, we like...
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Personally as a Brit, I
like the Royal family.
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I like the pomp
and circumstance.
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I like the uniforms,
I like the military.
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I just was always
proud to be British,
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very proud to be British and
it's being eroded away.
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You know, the fact that you
have to go to Brussels to ask:
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"Can you do stuff?"
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I'm not...
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learned up enough
on it to know what,
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you know, give you a
specific but, ahm...
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I just think somebody needs to
be accountable if something
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has cocked up if it goes wrong.
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We can vote out if our
government's not working.
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We can vote them out and
put somebody else in.
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If Brussels cock up,
your stuck with them.
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The very next day after
Brexit we experienced
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the backlash almost
straightaway.
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It was the very next
morning driving to school.
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Coming up to school
is a busy rush.
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The traffic is absolutely awful
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and there was somebody behind
me was trying to get passed.
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I pulled over onto the side
to help them get passed.
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So then he pulled up alongside
me, put his window down
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and it was the absolute
most foul abuse.
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I thought if I had
stepped out of the car
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I thought I would get attacked.
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And it was basically
that we voted out
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why are you still here
in really awful terms.
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But it was the first
time that my daughter
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has ever experienced racial
abuse in her 12 years.
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And she was
absolutely horrified.
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She was shaken to the core.
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She didn't sleep for a good two,
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three weeks properly afterwards.
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She was very very,
she was waking up
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at night screaming
having nightmares.
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She wasn't sure what
about but she knew
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that she was feeling unsafe.
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She'd heard things at school.
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She had Polish friends, English
friends, Asian friends
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and nobody knew what
was going to happen.
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And because she had experienced
this the very next day
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and a number of occasions
after that she
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was absolutely traumatized.
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I think we ended up leaving
voting leave because
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there were a lot more people
in the country that live in
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different circumstances
than big cities.
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Most of the big cities
voted to remain.
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But a lot of the people
that live in smaller towns
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and out in the country
are really affected by
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the recession and I
think they blame
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a lot of Europe for everything.
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And a lot of them aren't
cosmopolitan as big cities are.
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And there is a lot of racism,
and a lot of thinking that
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the refugees and migrants
and it's all that
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in the press about
them all coming over.
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And I think that's why I think
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they just didn't
want them to come.
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They thought that leaving Europe
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would stop it, which isn't true.
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A lot of assumptions made about
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people who voted
to leave as well.
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About it being
predominantly a racist
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anti-immigration
xenophobic vote.
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And I think that's been very
misguided very ill though out.
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And motivated by the fear
that's been generated
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quite deliberately by those
who wanted us to stay in.
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Now the reason why it's almost
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it's badly motivated but it's
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more importantly it's
incorrect and that's
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the important thing really
is it's just plain wrong.
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There are not 17 and a half
million racists in Britain.
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Just isn't true.
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Everyone's frightened, afraid
of not haven't control
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and not many people
coming into the UK.
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00:21:16,516 --> 00:21:19,036
And it's making a
big difference.
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It's hitting the NHS.
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It's hitting even just
around here the dentists
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and everything we can't get in
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because if we can't cope
with the influx of people.
401
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It's a very small country with
a quite a large population
402
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and the resources are just
being stretched too much.
403
00:21:41,334 --> 00:21:45,373
It's all about territorial.
404
00:21:45,373 --> 00:21:46,857
It's the same with
animals isn't it?
405
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If a dog is in its
garden another dog
406
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comes into the garden it's
invading its territory.
407
00:21:51,896 --> 00:21:53,795
It's the same kind
of deal I think.
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00:21:53,795 --> 00:21:55,452
People are a bit afraid of it.
409
00:21:55,452 --> 00:21:59,456
I must admit I'd be afraid of
that myself, being invaded.
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00:22:00,940 --> 00:22:02,424
In the Northeast
I'm from a white
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working class estate in the
West End of Newcastle.
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And everybody that lives there
is still white I would argue.
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And after the election I went
and had a pint with my dad
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in the working men's club and
had a conversation there.
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Nearly all voted to leave.
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Why did you vote to leave?
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Well because of all the
immigrants coming here
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taking our jobs and our houses.
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00:22:23,238 --> 00:22:26,655
And I said to them well
what immigrant do you know?
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I don't know any.
421
00:22:28,623 --> 00:22:30,728
So who do has lost their house
422
00:22:30,728 --> 00:22:32,523
or their job to an immigrant?
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00:22:32,523 --> 00:22:33,766
Well I don't know anyone.
424
00:22:33,766 --> 00:22:37,148
Right okay so why have
you lost your job?
425
00:22:37,148 --> 00:22:38,529
Well because the
place shut down.
426
00:22:38,529 --> 00:22:40,428
Why did the place shut down?
427
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Because of the recession.
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00:22:41,705 --> 00:22:43,292
What caused the recession?
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Bankers.
430
00:22:44,397 --> 00:22:46,261
Alright so it's bankers
and not migrants
431
00:22:46,261 --> 00:22:47,538
then that's caused this problem.
432
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So I don't think it's
a difficult argument
433
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to have with working
class communities.
434
00:22:51,473 --> 00:22:56,064
Now let's just say everyone
in the EU out you go.
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So that'd be two
million jobs free.
436
00:22:59,067 --> 00:23:01,621
Now the agencies take
a lot of the money.
437
00:23:02,726 --> 00:23:04,486
they pay the minimum
wage and take
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a huge amount of
that person's money.
439
00:23:08,076 --> 00:23:10,492
But British people
won't put up with it.
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So the agency has a choice.
441
00:23:12,839 --> 00:23:16,118
I go into an agency and I say
let's say in two years time
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once that 50, paper 50 or
article 50's been done
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and I go to an agency and I say
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I'm interested in that
job in the window.
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And they say okay well it's
only paying the minimum wage.
446
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You say nah I want
eight quid an hour.
447
00:23:29,994 --> 00:23:31,893
Well we can't pay that.
448
00:23:31,893 --> 00:23:34,033
I say okay go and get
a Polish person.
449
00:23:34,033 --> 00:23:36,656
Oh shit you can't they're
not here anymore.
450
00:23:36,656 --> 00:23:37,726
They've all gone back.
451
00:23:39,348 --> 00:23:42,455
With things like
immigration and influx of
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people from Europe they
probably are scared
453
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that their home area where
there isn't many immigrants
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will become like London losing
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its country's identity
as it were because
456
00:24:00,439 --> 00:24:04,097
let's be honest London
is not an English town.
457
00:24:05,685 --> 00:24:07,791
London is a bit of a paradox.
458
00:24:07,791 --> 00:24:12,312
London has some exceedingly
wealthy people
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00:24:13,555 --> 00:24:15,626
living almost right
across the street
460
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from some exceedingly poor.
461
00:24:18,940 --> 00:24:23,910
When I go to London I don't
meet many Londoners anymore.
462
00:24:24,842 --> 00:24:26,982
And that's a big
shame and that's
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00:24:26,982 --> 00:24:30,261
also another reason
for Brexit I think
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that people will want
Britain to stay Britain
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to stay England they
don't want it to
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become an amalgamation
of the rest of Europe
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where we are rightly very proud
of the things that are here.
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00:24:47,762 --> 00:24:49,384
We're very lucky where we are.
469
00:24:51,248 --> 00:24:56,218
In Northumberland it's
highly unlikely that
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there's gonna be a
terrorist attack up here.
471
00:24:58,566 --> 00:25:02,639
But it has got a massive
effect on people.
472
00:25:02,639 --> 00:25:05,020
There was a lady that wouldn't,
473
00:25:05,020 --> 00:25:06,366
she won't get on an
airplane anymore.
474
00:25:06,366 --> 00:25:08,023
So she goes on holiday
she goes on a bus.
475
00:25:09,162 --> 00:25:11,475
I think it's been
bubbling up for
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a long long time for
many years since
477
00:25:17,826 --> 00:25:22,659
the day when I was about 10
or 11 and the 9/11 happened.
478
00:25:27,629 --> 00:25:32,634
Yeah the refugees are not all
refugees we're seeing that
479
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if they were all refugees
you would have this
480
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I would think you would have
women, children, and men.
481
00:25:39,538 --> 00:25:41,229
You see him them not
so much children
482
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but women and man you
would have equal amounts.
483
00:25:44,163 --> 00:25:47,338
The thought is we've
seen the videos.
484
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It's all males.
485
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I would say in 30 not all but
the vast majority of them.
486
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And they aren't refugees.
487
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[Interviewer] What are they?
488
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They're the part of this,
489
00:26:02,146 --> 00:26:06,288
I think they're a part of
this Isis plan for to get
490
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a strong foothold in Europe
and then enter the UK.
491
00:26:15,125 --> 00:26:16,298
And that's been proven.
492
00:26:18,438 --> 00:26:20,509
I think growing up
in Northern Ireland
493
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made me realize that
494
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terrorism isn't something that
brown people do exclusively.
495
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,072
That white people are also
capable of terrorism.
496
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I think that's important for the
497
00:26:32,314 --> 00:26:34,834
rest of the world to realize.
498
00:26:36,595 --> 00:26:40,599
It made me understand
how communities
499
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:43,153
can be completely divided.
500
00:26:44,672 --> 00:26:49,159
And why the state has an interest
in dividing communities.
501
00:26:50,367 --> 00:26:52,749
And how the division
of different groups
502
00:26:52,749 --> 00:26:57,374
of people actually
helps the state
503
00:26:57,374 --> 00:26:59,169
and a way the state
encourages that.
504
00:27:00,342 --> 00:27:02,413
The important thing
to remember is that
505
00:27:02,413 --> 00:27:04,692
I don't have a political
degree and neither does
506
00:27:05,624 --> 00:27:08,109
millions of people that voted.
507
00:27:08,109 --> 00:27:09,558
It's all about public opinion.
508
00:27:09,558 --> 00:27:14,184
So if you can sway that by
making people feel like they're
509
00:27:14,184 --> 00:27:17,049
benefiting something or
actually making it change
510
00:27:17,049 --> 00:27:18,567
then it doesn't matter
what they vote for
511
00:27:18,567 --> 00:27:21,363
as long as they feel like
they're making a difference.
512
00:27:21,363 --> 00:27:24,573
Last week there is a
poll taken that said
513
00:27:24,573 --> 00:27:27,818
that 33% of people feel the
Brexit is the most important
514
00:27:27,818 --> 00:27:30,165
issue facing government
over the next three years.
515
00:27:30,165 --> 00:27:34,100
57% of people think
it's the NHS.
516
00:27:35,274 --> 00:27:36,896
And that should tell
you something as well
517
00:27:36,896 --> 00:27:38,242
about what using the
NHS to manipulate
518
00:27:38,242 --> 00:27:40,313
people during a
referendum campaign,
519
00:27:40,313 --> 00:27:42,177
what sort of impact
that that would have.
520
00:27:42,177 --> 00:27:44,248
And it's people's
number one concern
521
00:27:44,248 --> 00:27:47,527
and ironically it is probably
not going to be addressed
522
00:27:47,527 --> 00:27:49,668
in the next 10 years
if we continue with
523
00:27:49,668 --> 00:27:52,636
the plan to leave the European
Union because government
524
00:27:52,636 --> 00:27:54,845
somebody won't have time
for any other priority.
525
00:27:54,845 --> 00:27:59,298
As a young person who supported
UKIP who supports UKIP
526
00:28:00,713 --> 00:28:05,062
and who voted for Brexit in
the referendum I feel that
527
00:28:06,512 --> 00:28:09,895
I am not part of the norm
for young people because
528
00:28:09,895 --> 00:28:13,036
I don't listen to everything
that the media tells me.
529
00:28:13,036 --> 00:28:17,661
I've learnt to be skeptical
about what the media says.
530
00:28:17,661 --> 00:28:21,769
That pretty much includes
all aspects of media
531
00:28:21,769 --> 00:28:23,771
whether that be the
Sun newspaper,
532
00:28:23,771 --> 00:28:27,775
The Independent, The
Guardian, Daily Mail.
533
00:28:27,775 --> 00:28:32,020
And I came to the
conclusion that I came to
534
00:28:32,020 --> 00:28:34,713
because I did my own research.
535
00:28:34,713 --> 00:28:36,715
I looked at the UK policies.
536
00:28:37,854 --> 00:28:40,546
I didn't just judged
by what the headlines
537
00:28:40,546 --> 00:28:43,307
were saying about UKIP because
at the end of the day
538
00:28:43,307 --> 00:28:47,449
the media is very sensationalist
and it's designed
539
00:28:47,449 --> 00:28:51,108
to get to build reactions
out of people.
540
00:28:52,627 --> 00:28:56,942
When you're part of the EU
any countries joining the EU
541
00:28:56,942 --> 00:29:01,878
then you have to to
allow these people in.
542
00:29:03,327 --> 00:29:07,159
So on the pipeline was gonna
be Turkey, Macedonia, Croatia.
543
00:29:07,159 --> 00:29:09,540
I mean so how many
people can you take?
544
00:29:09,540 --> 00:29:12,095
How many jobs is there
in this country?
545
00:29:15,719 --> 00:29:16,893
How is the benefits
and stuff like that?
546
00:29:16,893 --> 00:29:18,032
Are they taking our benefits?
547
00:29:18,032 --> 00:29:19,309
Are they taking our jobs?
548
00:29:20,689 --> 00:29:23,554
If they're born in Britain
and be of British
549
00:29:24,935 --> 00:29:29,802
parent parentage yes they've
got a right to be here.
550
00:29:30,976 --> 00:29:32,840
They've got a right
to claim benefits.
551
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:37,810
But they also should have
a right to the jobs.
552
00:29:37,810 --> 00:29:39,881
Now they can't have the
jobs if other people
553
00:29:39,881 --> 00:29:42,746
from other other countries
have taken them jobs.
554
00:29:42,746 --> 00:29:45,922
So basically that's the only way
555
00:29:47,302 --> 00:29:50,719
the open borders
actually have any
556
00:29:53,308 --> 00:29:55,794
ruling on who gets jobs.
557
00:29:57,381 --> 00:29:59,452
Because if you got a
load of foreigners
558
00:29:59,452 --> 00:30:01,627
coming in the country
and taking all the jobs
559
00:30:01,627 --> 00:30:03,456
no job is left for the British.
560
00:30:04,664 --> 00:30:06,356
Where does it leave
the British people?
561
00:30:07,806 --> 00:30:08,979
So I have friends that
562
00:30:10,878 --> 00:30:12,120
have been out of
work for some time
563
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,881
or were out of work
for some time.
564
00:30:13,881 --> 00:30:15,814
And they'd always refused
to work in a factory
565
00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:18,057
or a sandwich packing
plant or in a field
566
00:30:18,057 --> 00:30:20,301
because they feel like
it's the last type
567
00:30:20,301 --> 00:30:22,268
because there's nowhere
to go from that.
568
00:30:22,268 --> 00:30:24,132
You can't go up and you
can't gain qualifications
569
00:30:24,132 --> 00:30:26,169
or you might not
find a better place.
570
00:30:26,169 --> 00:30:28,585
So they actively
remain unemployed
571
00:30:28,585 --> 00:30:30,138
in search of something better.
572
00:30:30,138 --> 00:30:31,657
And then I have Eastern
European friends
573
00:30:31,657 --> 00:30:33,659
which has taken these
jobs and then going back
574
00:30:33,659 --> 00:30:35,661
to my first friends they said
that they can't get a job
575
00:30:35,661 --> 00:30:37,214
because that job in the
field or a packing plant
576
00:30:37,214 --> 00:30:39,458
might have been taken
by an Eastern European.
577
00:30:40,873 --> 00:30:42,737
It'd be great to give
everybody a job wouldn't it?
578
00:30:42,737 --> 00:30:44,601
Give them self self worth to be
579
00:30:44,601 --> 00:30:46,016
able to make their own money?
580
00:30:47,224 --> 00:30:48,950
Maybe that's what
they think about
581
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:50,572
when they think about
coming to England.
582
00:30:50,572 --> 00:30:53,403
Which is a dream isn't it hope?
583
00:30:54,818 --> 00:30:56,820
What kept them people
alive on those boats
584
00:30:56,820 --> 00:30:59,892
that come across the channel
in grease dying in the sea?
585
00:30:59,892 --> 00:31:00,893
That bitter hope.
586
00:31:02,377 --> 00:31:04,483
And let's give it to them
if that's what they want.
587
00:31:04,483 --> 00:31:06,312
You couldn't deny that
to anyone could you?
588
00:31:07,451 --> 00:31:09,384
When you say there
aren't any jobs anymore
589
00:31:09,384 --> 00:31:13,147
It's not a matter of
there aren't any jobs.
590
00:31:13,147 --> 00:31:15,183
There isn't any pay.
591
00:31:15,183 --> 00:31:17,876
And the reason there
isn't any pay is because
592
00:31:17,876 --> 00:31:22,881
the greed of the upper
echelons, the elite.
593
00:31:24,089 --> 00:31:25,884
The elite want to
make more and more
594
00:31:25,884 --> 00:31:29,370
and more and more money
and the only way,
595
00:31:29,370 --> 00:31:33,512
normally nine times out of
10 if you go back in history
596
00:31:33,512 --> 00:31:38,517
and study this you'll find
that in nine cases out of 10
597
00:31:39,725 --> 00:31:41,761
the only way this
is ever solved is
598
00:31:41,761 --> 00:31:43,660
by a catastrophic world war.
599
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:48,630
I feel like there is still
a lot of hope in the world
600
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:53,601
because everyday people are
able to connect with each other
601
00:31:54,740 --> 00:31:57,053
in profound meaningful
ways that before
602
00:31:57,053 --> 00:32:01,057
we're only the preserve of the
elite and major corporations.
603
00:32:01,057 --> 00:32:04,543
Like now we can all network.
604
00:32:04,543 --> 00:32:08,547
And myself as an
artist, as a poet
605
00:32:08,547 --> 00:32:10,721
I can find people
all over the world
606
00:32:10,721 --> 00:32:12,758
and I can connect with
them and I can have
607
00:32:12,758 --> 00:32:16,727
places to work and perform and
there is a wonderful freedom
608
00:32:16,727 --> 00:32:20,662
that I have that my
ancestors never had.
609
00:32:20,662 --> 00:32:24,252
And I feel incredibly
lucky to be alive now
610
00:32:24,252 --> 00:32:29,257
as a lesbian female Northern
Irish person from a rural area.
611
00:32:30,465 --> 00:32:33,192
Before there would
be no possibility
612
00:32:33,192 --> 00:32:38,197
of being able to exercise freedom
within any of those roles.
613
00:32:39,647 --> 00:32:42,339
So I actually feel really
lucky to be alive right now
614
00:32:42,339 --> 00:32:45,273
as opposed to any
other any other time.
615
00:32:45,273 --> 00:32:47,689
I guess maybe if you were like
616
00:32:47,689 --> 00:32:51,486
a white heterosexual English man
617
00:32:51,486 --> 00:32:53,972
this is maybe like a
scary time to be alive
618
00:32:53,972 --> 00:32:58,148
because other people
are doing things
619
00:32:58,148 --> 00:33:00,668
and that might be
threatening for them.
620
00:33:00,668 --> 00:33:04,637
But for me like it's
great to be live now.
621
00:33:04,637 --> 00:33:07,261
And I feel like all
this fear mongering
622
00:33:07,261 --> 00:33:10,643
is just a way to try
and encourage people
623
00:33:10,643 --> 00:33:12,611
to buy more stuff
that they don't need.
624
00:33:14,164 --> 00:33:14,993
Are we clear?
625
00:33:16,063 --> 00:33:16,925
We're clear?
626
00:33:18,237 --> 00:33:22,586
Donald Trump is the President
of the United States.
627
00:33:22,586 --> 00:33:27,591
Donald Trump is the President
of the United States.
628
00:33:28,937 --> 00:33:32,527
Donald Trump is the President
of the United States.
629
00:33:35,944 --> 00:33:38,533
The reason I think it
seems that it is white
630
00:33:38,533 --> 00:33:40,984
straight possibly also
working class men
631
00:33:40,984 --> 00:33:43,642
who are critical of
identity politics
632
00:33:44,677 --> 00:33:46,921
or political
correctness is because
633
00:33:46,921 --> 00:33:50,131
they are the one identity
group that is not
634
00:33:50,131 --> 00:33:55,033
held to be necessary
of any assistance.
635
00:33:55,033 --> 00:33:58,691
They're not viewed as
disadvantaged and in fact
636
00:33:58,691 --> 00:34:01,073
they're quite commonly
deemed to be the oppressor.
637
00:34:01,073 --> 00:34:03,938
And I think if you are
with relation to Brexit
638
00:34:05,077 --> 00:34:06,389
if you look at what's
happened in America
639
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:08,701
I think this plays
a massive part
640
00:34:08,701 --> 00:34:10,496
in explaining what's going on.
641
00:34:10,496 --> 00:34:13,292
White working class male people
642
00:34:13,292 --> 00:34:15,570
have started playing the
identity politics game.
643
00:34:15,570 --> 00:34:18,642
They've realized that
although they may have
644
00:34:18,642 --> 00:34:21,680
very different agendas
as a group they can,
645
00:34:22,853 --> 00:34:26,305
they can they must
work together to
646
00:34:27,444 --> 00:34:29,757
form a coherent identity
because this is how
647
00:34:29,757 --> 00:34:31,655
the other side is
playing the game.
648
00:34:37,558 --> 00:34:42,045
The world's changed so
much since my youth even.
649
00:34:43,184 --> 00:34:44,772
People used to be
proud to be British.
650
00:34:44,772 --> 00:34:47,050
They fought world
wars to be British.
651
00:34:48,465 --> 00:34:52,952
We had an empire that more
or less ruled the world.
652
00:34:53,953 --> 00:34:56,094
Now there's no empire.
653
00:34:56,094 --> 00:34:58,924
There's no jobs.
654
00:34:58,924 --> 00:35:00,581
We're no longer a strong nation.
655
00:35:01,547 --> 00:35:05,172
So I can't say in the future
656
00:35:06,518 --> 00:35:08,658
what the future holds
for the country.
657
00:35:10,038 --> 00:35:12,420
What unites people in Britain
my experience is that
658
00:35:12,420 --> 00:35:14,181
everybody wants
Britain to be back
659
00:35:14,181 --> 00:35:17,115
to being mighty to
being great again.
660
00:35:17,115 --> 00:35:19,979
And I think we've had like
the last 10, 11 years
661
00:35:19,979 --> 00:35:22,016
we've just kind of come
out of a recession.
662
00:35:22,016 --> 00:35:23,190
It's been really hard.
663
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:25,330
Granted a lot of people
have been hit hard.
664
00:35:25,330 --> 00:35:26,848
In fact I don't really
think other than
665
00:35:26,848 --> 00:35:29,610
the ultimate uber rich I
don't think there's anybody
666
00:35:29,610 --> 00:35:32,647
that hasn't sort of had a
knock in the last 10 years.
667
00:35:32,647 --> 00:35:35,340
And I think that's great
that we're all united
668
00:35:35,340 --> 00:35:38,998
and want in the the nation
to be awesome again.
669
00:35:38,998 --> 00:35:41,898
And I think what
divides people is how
670
00:35:41,898 --> 00:35:43,796
we're going to be awesome again.
671
00:35:43,796 --> 00:35:46,213
There was a little bit
inside me that thought
672
00:35:46,213 --> 00:35:50,320
what if I'm wrong but my heart
told me we've got to get out.
673
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,323
We can manage we're
not a stupid nation.
674
00:35:53,323 --> 00:35:57,051
We're a brave race
of people and we can
675
00:35:57,051 --> 00:35:59,398
think for ourselves
and by God we will.
676
00:36:01,435 --> 00:36:03,782
I mean Britain was the biggest
country in the world.
677
00:36:03,782 --> 00:36:05,542
They dominated the world.
678
00:36:05,542 --> 00:36:10,168
Yeah I guess it's coming
back to haunt us now
679
00:36:10,168 --> 00:36:13,032
because obviously we
probably raped and pillaged
680
00:36:13,032 --> 00:36:15,207
most countries all
over the world
681
00:36:15,207 --> 00:36:17,416
and now they want a bit,
a piece of us back.
682
00:36:18,797 --> 00:36:20,074
But that's not the point.
683
00:36:21,524 --> 00:36:25,459
The point is is that we're
still this little country
684
00:36:25,459 --> 00:36:27,633
in the middle of the
whatever the Atlantic Ocean
685
00:36:27,633 --> 00:36:32,638
and we deserve to be
this great nation
686
00:36:33,743 --> 00:36:34,502
that why we're
called Great Britain
687
00:36:35,641 --> 00:36:36,884
because we are
this great nation.
688
00:36:36,884 --> 00:36:39,956
And we don't want to
give it up so easily.
689
00:36:41,785 --> 00:36:44,478
Whoever had the biggest army
690
00:36:44,478 --> 00:36:46,376
that's who decided
who owned the land.
691
00:36:46,376 --> 00:36:48,896
Invaders were a country
of conquerors.
692
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:52,140
I think we've been
invaded I don't know
693
00:36:52,140 --> 00:36:56,006
how many times but were a
country of conquerors.
694
00:36:56,006 --> 00:36:58,250
It was might who decided
who owns this land.
695
00:36:59,838 --> 00:37:03,082
I suspect hundreds and
hundreds of years ago when
696
00:37:03,082 --> 00:37:06,293
the Percy family
took over the parish
697
00:37:06,293 --> 00:37:10,469
around here which is a fairly
big parish they stole it.
698
00:37:11,919 --> 00:37:14,370
They murdered and thieved and
stole it simple as that.
699
00:37:15,785 --> 00:37:19,858
I'm not too sure that it'll
happen again but it may.
700
00:37:21,066 --> 00:37:24,449
It may be a peasant uprising.
[laughing]
701
00:37:28,211 --> 00:37:29,937
But what I'd like to say
about what Gary said before
702
00:37:29,937 --> 00:37:31,732
about when we used
to rule the world
703
00:37:31,732 --> 00:37:34,666
what people like me and
Gary should remember is
704
00:37:34,666 --> 00:37:37,116
in them days the working class
705
00:37:37,116 --> 00:37:38,911
didn't get a slice
of that either.
706
00:37:40,223 --> 00:37:43,502
We were still
treated as badly as
707
00:37:43,502 --> 00:37:45,987
we will be if we rule
the world again.
708
00:37:49,059 --> 00:37:51,786
Me I think class is relevant.
709
00:37:52,925 --> 00:37:55,065
I don't think we can
all be the same.
710
00:37:55,065 --> 00:37:57,723
Or we'd finish up like
like China for instance.
711
00:38:00,312 --> 00:38:04,385
Communism, all one level,
everybody the same
712
00:38:04,385 --> 00:38:07,457
and socialism and I don't
think that would work.
713
00:38:11,427 --> 00:38:14,188
You need someone with brains
I should think at the top.
714
00:38:16,328 --> 00:38:18,537
The gap between the
rich and the poor now
715
00:38:19,745 --> 00:38:21,885
is the greatest that's
ever been in history.
716
00:38:21,885 --> 00:38:26,096
Now you don't need to do
anything to make money.
717
00:38:26,096 --> 00:38:29,583
If you inherit money you will
actually make more money
718
00:38:29,583 --> 00:38:33,207
by doing nothing then
you will by working.
719
00:38:33,207 --> 00:38:35,968
I think the long term
future of Northern Ireland
720
00:38:35,968 --> 00:38:37,625
lies with the Republic
as opposed to
721
00:38:37,625 --> 00:38:39,109
a part of the United Kingdom.
722
00:38:40,214 --> 00:38:42,354
That's obviously gonna be a very
723
00:38:42,354 --> 00:38:46,634
another sort of minefield
whenever that happens but
724
00:38:47,842 --> 00:38:50,155
I think no, I think Britain,
725
00:38:50,155 --> 00:38:53,192
I've never thought Britain
was a great country.
726
00:38:54,608 --> 00:38:56,955
I think it's been throughout
its history been an aggressor.
727
00:38:58,094 --> 00:39:00,855
I think now it's
728
00:39:00,855 --> 00:39:03,582
smaller and weaker
than it ever has been.
729
00:39:03,582 --> 00:39:05,170
And I look forward to
Scotland leaving them.
730
00:39:05,170 --> 00:39:07,172
I look forward to Northern
Ireland leaving it.
731
00:39:07,172 --> 00:39:11,141
And once that does
happen my attitude
732
00:39:11,141 --> 00:39:12,660
would be to hell with Britain.
733
00:39:14,248 --> 00:39:15,594
You're proud, proud
to be British.
734
00:39:17,078 --> 00:39:19,287
Everyone looks at the British
735
00:39:19,287 --> 00:39:21,151
and how would they
solve this problem?
736
00:39:21,151 --> 00:39:25,915
It's about passion
we've got a lot
737
00:39:25,915 --> 00:39:29,056
of passion in the
UK and Britain.
738
00:39:29,056 --> 00:39:32,715
And everything we do
we do full hearted.
739
00:39:34,510 --> 00:39:37,478
I'm a Patriot because I grew up
740
00:39:37,478 --> 00:39:39,446
loving and respecting
my country.
741
00:39:41,275 --> 00:39:42,587
I love the Queen.
742
00:39:42,587 --> 00:39:45,762
I love our culture.
743
00:39:45,762 --> 00:39:49,041
I love our location.
744
00:39:51,699 --> 00:39:53,494
And it's the place where
I've lived since I was born.
745
00:39:59,500 --> 00:40:01,399
I've always loved that.
746
00:40:05,989 --> 00:40:10,649
I don't believe the country's
influenced me in my life
747
00:40:13,411 --> 00:40:17,760
possibly just from me
own, took me own life
748
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,073
in me own hands and
made me own destiny.
749
00:40:23,421 --> 00:40:28,287
And problems are always
things like national identity
750
00:40:31,083 --> 00:40:32,740
Those are the problems.
751
00:40:32,740 --> 00:40:35,053
Governments are the
problems because they're
752
00:40:35,053 --> 00:40:36,434
the only ones who are
pushing this concept
753
00:40:36,434 --> 00:40:38,850
of a national identity.
754
00:40:40,403 --> 00:40:42,716
I mean you're working
class might.
755
00:40:43,924 --> 00:40:45,719
People working might
say yeah this is what
756
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,100
it means to be British, this is
what it means to be British.
757
00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:50,206
It's just like you're
just trying to grab on
758
00:40:50,206 --> 00:40:53,174
to a collective identity
because you're fucking alone.
759
00:40:54,797 --> 00:40:57,903
Because you're busy all the
time you've got nothing.
760
00:40:57,903 --> 00:41:01,528
There's no hope it's
just constant revolving
761
00:41:01,528 --> 00:41:05,117
work, work, work,
family blah blah blah.
762
00:41:06,187 --> 00:41:08,293
Kind of irresponsible
to be honest.
763
00:41:11,227 --> 00:41:14,610
In Britain we feel
like we're better
764
00:41:14,610 --> 00:41:16,646
I suppose that's what
it's always been.
765
00:41:17,820 --> 00:41:19,649
I consider myself
to be European.
766
00:41:19,649 --> 00:41:23,342
I consider myself to be part
of the continent of Europe.
767
00:41:24,620 --> 00:41:26,242
Not many people share this view.
768
00:41:27,795 --> 00:41:32,800
I don't know why people
are proud to be British.
769
00:41:34,112 --> 00:41:35,700
You cannot be proud of something
that you haven't done.
770
00:41:39,566 --> 00:41:41,913
I personally struggle with
ideas of national identity.
771
00:41:41,913 --> 00:41:46,055
I'm from Wales but I wouldn't
necessarily say that I'm Welsh
772
00:41:46,055 --> 00:41:48,298
because when you say
either English, Welsh,
773
00:41:48,298 --> 00:41:51,198
Scottish, Irish,
whatever there's
774
00:41:51,198 --> 00:41:54,235
a lot of imagery that's
codified into that.
775
00:41:54,235 --> 00:41:56,306
As I like to say in a
bit of a jokey fashion
776
00:41:56,306 --> 00:41:59,896
I don't care about rugby so
clearly I'm not all that Welsh.
777
00:41:59,896 --> 00:42:04,522
I'm a like many Welsh
Welshman a rugby fan
778
00:42:04,522 --> 00:42:09,527
and the song that symbolizes I
think my favorite rugby team
779
00:42:10,873 --> 00:42:12,944
the team which is known
throughout the world as having
780
00:42:14,324 --> 00:42:16,326
beaten the All Blacks namely
The Llanelli Scarlets.
781
00:42:16,326 --> 00:42:19,571
And they're known as
The Boys of Sospan.
782
00:42:20,779 --> 00:42:22,919
And there is a song
which is known as
783
00:42:22,919 --> 00:42:25,439
[speaking in foreign language]
and it goes like this.
784
00:42:25,439 --> 00:42:29,270
[singing in foreign language]
785
00:42:55,089 --> 00:42:56,781
England's my home country.
786
00:42:59,853 --> 00:43:04,754
If you go to any other
foreign country you'll see
787
00:43:05,617 --> 00:43:07,895
their flags flying all the time.
788
00:43:07,895 --> 00:43:11,416
Now in England you're a racist
if you fly you're own flag.
789
00:43:13,211 --> 00:43:15,454
I think English is, and I'm not,
790
00:43:17,387 --> 00:43:18,596
English is that color.
791
00:43:18,596 --> 00:43:20,390
British can be any
color you want.
792
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:21,322
You cannot say that.
793
00:43:22,945 --> 00:43:26,362
I have nothing to do with
that last statement.
794
00:43:29,745 --> 00:43:33,507
To feel unwelcome here
after giving so much
795
00:43:34,819 --> 00:43:36,544
to being here, being part of it
796
00:43:36,544 --> 00:43:40,203
feeling it's a part of me,
because that's the main
797
00:43:40,203 --> 00:43:42,930
because I feel I belong I
feel like I'm part of it.
798
00:43:42,930 --> 00:43:45,001
Then all of a sudden
to have that taken
799
00:43:45,001 --> 00:43:48,556
away from you is a
feeling of not belonging
800
00:43:48,556 --> 00:43:51,974
not having a place
of being alienated.
801
00:43:51,974 --> 00:43:55,011
It's marginalizing a
huge amount of people
802
00:43:55,011 --> 00:43:56,461
that are all of a
sudden saying that
803
00:43:56,461 --> 00:43:58,187
you aren't actually
supposed to be here.
804
00:43:58,187 --> 00:43:59,567
Where are we supposed to be?
805
00:44:00,741 --> 00:44:02,950
Simply because of
our ancestry that
806
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:04,158
all of a sudden we don't belong.
807
00:44:04,158 --> 00:44:06,229
Simply because of the
color of our skin
808
00:44:06,229 --> 00:44:09,647
that all of a sudden we don't
belong it doesn't make sense.
809
00:44:09,647 --> 00:44:13,685
Women, specifically women,
specifically Muslim women
810
00:44:13,685 --> 00:44:17,033
who wear the hijab who wear
the niqab who wear the burkas
811
00:44:17,033 --> 00:44:22,038
they've been targeted
as vulnerable people.
812
00:44:22,901 --> 00:44:25,663
And as a Muslim woman sometimes
813
00:44:25,663 --> 00:44:29,045
I wear hijab sometimes I
don't and for my children
814
00:44:29,045 --> 00:44:31,185
for my daughters I
have two daughters.
815
00:44:31,185 --> 00:44:33,015
I feel desperately unsafe,
816
00:44:35,569 --> 00:44:36,674
desperately unhappy.
817
00:44:40,332 --> 00:44:41,679
I think we've always
had a problem
818
00:44:41,679 --> 00:44:44,129
of racism in this
society but I think
819
00:44:44,129 --> 00:44:46,580
because of the press and
the way that politicians
820
00:44:46,580 --> 00:44:49,376
talked about issues
of race and migration
821
00:44:49,376 --> 00:44:52,690
during the election campaign
it began to legitimize
822
00:44:52,690 --> 00:44:56,210
public racism on a scale that
we haven't seen for a while.
823
00:44:56,210 --> 00:44:59,144
So you can't deny it because
we've seen a massive
824
00:44:59,144 --> 00:45:01,940
increase in hate crimes
since the election results.
825
00:45:01,940 --> 00:45:03,390
So it's obviously
done something.
826
00:45:03,390 --> 00:45:05,772
I don't think it's
that we suddenly just
827
00:45:05,772 --> 00:45:08,291
become more racist think
it's always been there
828
00:45:08,291 --> 00:45:10,259
but people now have
a legitimate reason
829
00:45:10,259 --> 00:45:13,262
to behave and talk the
way that they probably
830
00:45:13,262 --> 00:45:15,229
previously felt
was unacceptable.
831
00:45:16,368 --> 00:45:18,957
Until perhaps even
five years ago
832
00:45:18,957 --> 00:45:21,477
it was very easy to
see very distinct
833
00:45:21,477 --> 00:45:23,962
and concrete comparisons
between the industrial
834
00:45:23,962 --> 00:45:27,586
Northern England and the
Central Belt of Scotland.
835
00:45:27,586 --> 00:45:29,623
They had very similar cultures
836
00:45:29,623 --> 00:45:33,351
and cultures suffering from the
decline of industrialization
837
00:45:33,351 --> 00:45:37,424
cultures borderline decimated
by conservative policy
838
00:45:37,424 --> 00:45:42,049
that ruined job prospects and
income for so many people.
839
00:45:42,049 --> 00:45:45,052
However there is now in 2016 one
840
00:45:45,052 --> 00:45:47,606
crucial difference
between those two areas.
841
00:45:47,606 --> 00:45:50,782
In 2014 in Scotland
citizens went through
842
00:45:50,782 --> 00:45:54,441
a huge constitutional debate for
the independence referendum
843
00:45:54,441 --> 00:45:58,100
and during that
time we were pushed
844
00:45:58,100 --> 00:46:00,585
and we found ourselves hosting
845
00:46:00,585 --> 00:46:03,277
the most incredible
discussions about politics.
846
00:46:03,277 --> 00:46:05,763
So instead of saying
what party you voted for
847
00:46:05,763 --> 00:46:08,075
or what politician will
you support this time?
848
00:46:08,075 --> 00:46:11,423
We were asking questions like
what currency should we have?
849
00:46:11,423 --> 00:46:13,494
What rules makes a society just?
850
00:46:13,494 --> 00:46:15,634
We were starting
from the bottom up
851
00:46:15,634 --> 00:46:17,913
and as a result I think Scotland
852
00:46:17,913 --> 00:46:20,225
although the vote
didn't turn out the way
853
00:46:20,225 --> 00:46:25,230
I'd hoped it would and had a
political makeover if you like
854
00:46:26,611 --> 00:46:30,063
whereby citizens became engaged
on an unprecedented level
855
00:46:30,063 --> 00:46:33,618
and I would argue we've got
one of the most sophisticated
856
00:46:33,618 --> 00:46:36,966
and clued in electorate
that's going at the moment.
857
00:46:39,106 --> 00:46:43,214
I live in a mining,
or should I say
858
00:46:43,214 --> 00:46:47,735
an ex-mining town in County
Durham, place called Horden.
859
00:46:48,909 --> 00:46:50,669
Used to be the biggest,
860
00:46:50,669 --> 00:46:53,017
used to have the biggest
coal mine in Europe.
861
00:46:57,815 --> 00:47:00,818
The industries of Elham
it was base around
862
00:47:00,818 --> 00:47:05,823
the steelworks so the
area where we are now
863
00:47:06,962 --> 00:47:09,309
would have once been
the steelworks.
864
00:47:09,309 --> 00:47:13,554
It closed down I think
60's or 70's maybe
865
00:47:13,554 --> 00:47:15,694
and now this is an
industrial estate
866
00:47:15,694 --> 00:47:18,111
and there's lots of different
industries here now.
867
00:47:18,111 --> 00:47:20,734
Obviously you can see
there's containers.
868
00:47:20,734 --> 00:47:23,841
The building Port of Salford
just down the road so
869
00:47:23,841 --> 00:47:25,325
that's going to bring a lot of
870
00:47:25,325 --> 00:47:28,466
new industry and new work here
871
00:47:28,466 --> 00:47:31,124
with shipping containers
that sort of thing.
872
00:47:32,711 --> 00:47:35,162
In the past there was
margarine works,
873
00:47:35,162 --> 00:47:39,132
dye works, salt
works, match works
874
00:47:39,132 --> 00:47:42,169
but most of that's gone
now and it's kind of like
875
00:47:42,169 --> 00:47:45,034
more like head offices
and things like that.
876
00:47:45,034 --> 00:47:47,726
The Tory government
actually closed
877
00:47:47,726 --> 00:47:50,971
the coal mines, they
close to shipyards.
878
00:47:50,971 --> 00:47:53,663
They've just gotten rid
of the steel industry.
879
00:47:53,663 --> 00:47:56,321
So basically there's
no heavy industries.
880
00:47:56,321 --> 00:47:58,392
Britain was always run
on heavy industries
881
00:47:58,392 --> 00:48:00,774
and that's why it was
so self sufficient.
882
00:48:00,774 --> 00:48:03,328
Other countries
used to rely on us.
883
00:48:03,328 --> 00:48:05,330
Now we rely on other countries.
884
00:48:06,504 --> 00:48:08,299
You heard a lot talk
about globalization
885
00:48:08,299 --> 00:48:11,198
and it's been going on
for many many years
886
00:48:11,198 --> 00:48:13,821
that the world's got
closer and closer.
887
00:48:13,821 --> 00:48:15,685
And in the beginning
it was great.
888
00:48:15,685 --> 00:48:18,447
We all had cheap products
and we all thought
889
00:48:18,447 --> 00:48:21,415
it is wonderful trainers
have never been so cheap,
890
00:48:21,415 --> 00:48:22,934
and clothes have
never been so cheap.
891
00:48:22,934 --> 00:48:25,695
It's brought inflation down,
it's been a good thing.
892
00:48:25,695 --> 00:48:29,113
Globalization has been a
good thing and well I think
893
00:48:29,113 --> 00:48:32,840
we've got to the point where
now it's starting affect,
894
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,707
it's starting to affect
people on the ground
895
00:48:37,707 --> 00:48:39,951
within the countries
more particularly
896
00:48:39,951 --> 00:48:41,608
probably the
wealthier countries.
897
00:48:41,608 --> 00:48:44,576
The standard of living is dropping
and I think we're seeing,
898
00:48:44,576 --> 00:48:47,441
I think we need to
get to the root
899
00:48:47,441 --> 00:48:50,168
of what problems
we're seeing and
900
00:48:50,168 --> 00:48:52,067
how we're going to deal with it.
901
00:48:54,207 --> 00:48:56,140
I'd hate to be
leaving school now.
902
00:48:58,901 --> 00:49:00,213
'Cause you can't get a job.
903
00:49:01,593 --> 00:49:06,564
When we left school Gary's five
six years younger than me.
904
00:49:07,427 --> 00:49:09,153
We could just walk into jobs.
905
00:49:09,153 --> 00:49:13,260
Left school, I left school with
no qualifications at fifteen
906
00:49:13,260 --> 00:49:15,953
and straight into an
engineering apprenticeship.
907
00:49:15,953 --> 00:49:17,955
You can't do that now.
908
00:49:17,955 --> 00:49:20,405
You've got to stay in
school till you're 18
909
00:49:20,405 --> 00:49:23,443
then you go to university
get a silly degree.
910
00:49:23,443 --> 00:49:24,685
Don't get me wrong.
911
00:49:24,685 --> 00:49:26,411
I'm not saying everyone
who goes to university
912
00:49:26,411 --> 00:49:30,968
gets a silly degree but there
are silly degrees out there.
913
00:49:30,968 --> 00:49:33,522
And then people's waste
so much of their lives
914
00:49:33,522 --> 00:49:34,799
and then they can't get a job.
915
00:49:34,799 --> 00:49:36,387
No that's right.
916
00:49:36,387 --> 00:49:38,458
Not everybody leaves university
these days and gets a job
917
00:49:38,458 --> 00:49:43,049
and not everybody
just falls into luck
918
00:49:43,049 --> 00:49:44,982
just that easily anymore
especially for me.
919
00:49:44,982 --> 00:49:47,294
I think it's been a
bit of a wake up.
920
00:49:47,294 --> 00:49:49,055
I'm the youngest of four and
it's been a wake up call
921
00:49:49,055 --> 00:49:52,196
with me that it's not just
been that easy for me
922
00:49:52,196 --> 00:49:54,232
in the economy that I
came out of university
923
00:49:54,232 --> 00:49:56,372
just to make a
success of myself.
924
00:49:56,372 --> 00:49:59,134
There's not that
many opportunities
925
00:49:59,134 --> 00:50:02,620
and to be quite honest I
would have been better off
926
00:50:02,620 --> 00:50:05,519
not having gone to university
and of studying a vocation.
927
00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:07,797
In my opinion I would
have got a lot further.
928
00:50:09,316 --> 00:50:13,976
The younger generation
today don't seem to be as
929
00:50:15,529 --> 00:50:19,085
into owning a home as maybe
my parents generation where.
930
00:50:19,085 --> 00:50:21,225
It was the norm
it's what you did.
931
00:50:21,225 --> 00:50:24,849
You bought a house you got
married you had a kid.
932
00:50:24,849 --> 00:50:27,093
I think the younger
generation are kind of
933
00:50:27,093 --> 00:50:29,543
having to accept that
they're gonna have to rent.
934
00:50:31,028 --> 00:50:33,961
People live with the parents
still a lot later these days
935
00:50:35,101 --> 00:50:38,035
which is a bit of a
shame really that
936
00:50:38,035 --> 00:50:39,553
they can't get out on their own
937
00:50:39,553 --> 00:50:43,281
because rent is even
ridiculously high.
938
00:50:43,281 --> 00:50:44,455
People struggle to rent.
939
00:50:45,663 --> 00:50:47,768
And again like there's
no social housing so
940
00:50:51,013 --> 00:50:54,258
if you can't afford to rent
and you can't afford to buy
941
00:50:55,707 --> 00:50:58,055
and there's no council houses
I mean where do you live?
942
00:51:00,471 --> 00:51:02,576
There's been a lot of cuts and
we've seen it in our jobs.
943
00:51:02,576 --> 00:51:05,027
There's people losing their jobs
944
00:51:05,027 --> 00:51:07,029
and council jobs and
stuff like that but
945
00:51:09,169 --> 00:51:11,482
people's gotta lose their
jobs for the country
946
00:51:11,482 --> 00:51:13,622
to go forward because
they've got to save money
947
00:51:13,622 --> 00:51:17,212
and to be honest that's life.
948
00:51:17,212 --> 00:51:19,041
If you lose your job you've
got to go find another one.
949
00:51:19,041 --> 00:51:20,698
There's work out there.
950
00:51:20,698 --> 00:51:22,803
We go back to the days
when they was saying
951
00:51:22,803 --> 00:51:24,391
there's no work there's no work
but there's always been work
952
00:51:24,391 --> 00:51:26,876
if you want to go find a
job there's a job there.
953
00:51:29,016 --> 00:51:30,570
Jobs are freedom.
954
00:51:30,570 --> 00:51:33,400
Jobs are also self esteem.
955
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,747
One of the big
problems in this area
956
00:51:35,747 --> 00:51:39,924
and with every area of
unemployment is people who are
957
00:51:41,374 --> 00:51:43,134
emotionally downtrodden.
958
00:51:45,688 --> 00:51:48,553
When you don't have a job
you don't have purpose.
959
00:51:48,553 --> 00:51:51,211
Having purpose I
consider is just
960
00:51:51,211 --> 00:51:53,006
as important as
having an income.
961
00:51:54,594 --> 00:51:58,736
I visited a hen, an egg operation
in Scotland last year.
962
00:52:00,220 --> 00:52:02,119
And it produces a million
and a quarter eggs a day.
963
00:52:03,568 --> 00:52:07,986
And it was a huge packing
station manned by robots.
964
00:52:07,986 --> 00:52:10,817
Not many people and
very efficient.
965
00:52:13,026 --> 00:52:18,031
So it'll carry on and leave
us old codgers behind.
966
00:52:21,414 --> 00:52:24,831
As a taxi driver in regards
to to growth of technology
967
00:52:27,868 --> 00:52:30,181
I'm not worried about
a self driving car
968
00:52:30,181 --> 00:52:32,666
otherwise known as
a pilotless car.
969
00:52:32,666 --> 00:52:35,669
People climb into a taxi be it
970
00:52:35,669 --> 00:52:37,844
a hackney carriage or
a private higher car
971
00:52:40,398 --> 00:52:43,712
to drive home with someone
that knows the roads
972
00:52:43,712 --> 00:52:46,024
someone that's
friendly, talkative.
973
00:52:47,025 --> 00:52:48,958
We take home after a night out
974
00:52:48,958 --> 00:52:50,960
vulnerable young
ladies who are drunk.
975
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,998
We ensure they get through
the door that they're safe.
976
00:52:56,207 --> 00:52:58,520
An automated car can't do that.
977
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,418
It's a machine it has no emotion
978
00:53:00,418 --> 00:53:04,284
it doesn't think that extra
mile that a human can think.
979
00:53:04,284 --> 00:53:06,838
While an automated car is
good for delivering parcels
980
00:53:06,838 --> 00:53:09,600
using an arm drop
it outside the door
981
00:53:10,773 --> 00:53:12,292
it fails at being able
to knock on the door
982
00:53:12,292 --> 00:53:14,191
to let you know the
parcel's there.
983
00:53:16,676 --> 00:53:18,436
I don't believe and
their doom mongering
984
00:53:18,436 --> 00:53:20,473
that we're going to
be replaced by robots
985
00:53:20,473 --> 00:53:23,338
and no one's gonna
have a job anymore.
986
00:53:23,338 --> 00:53:26,237
But maybe this technology can
mean that we can move towards
987
00:53:26,237 --> 00:53:29,033
a society where we only work
three or four days a week.
988
00:53:29,033 --> 00:53:31,104
And people have
more social time.
989
00:53:31,104 --> 00:53:33,140
But that means that wages
are going to have to go up
990
00:53:33,140 --> 00:53:35,729
so people can afford to live
on working four days a week.
991
00:53:35,729 --> 00:53:37,317
And you see some of
those experiments
992
00:53:37,317 --> 00:53:39,216
happening across
Europe you see it in
993
00:53:39,216 --> 00:53:40,941
some of the
Scandinavian countries
994
00:53:40,941 --> 00:53:43,081
people having a citizen's wage.
995
00:53:44,876 --> 00:53:46,223
So I'm not scared of technology.
996
00:53:46,223 --> 00:53:48,570
I think there's some
real benefits to be had
997
00:53:48,570 --> 00:53:50,917
in the uses and
development of technology
998
00:53:50,917 --> 00:53:54,023
so long as it's utilized
to support people
999
00:53:54,023 --> 00:53:55,542
rather than to just make money.
1000
00:53:56,923 --> 00:54:00,996
I think it's so sad
that we're getting rid
1001
00:54:00,996 --> 00:54:05,621
of people to give
those jobs to robots.
1002
00:54:05,621 --> 00:54:08,141
'Cause in the 50's we
got people over from
1003
00:54:08,141 --> 00:54:11,627
the West Indies to do the
jobs that we couldn't.
1004
00:54:11,627 --> 00:54:15,252
We couldn't fill the
jobs in the NHS
1005
00:54:15,252 --> 00:54:18,841
without these people
being brought over
1006
00:54:18,841 --> 00:54:23,846
so to now render their
children unemployed.
1007
00:54:25,296 --> 00:54:28,782
I mean what's the future if we
don't give young people jobs?
1008
00:54:28,782 --> 00:54:30,715
They need to be working
otherwise they're
1009
00:54:30,715 --> 00:54:33,891
just gonna be
rampaging the streets
1010
00:54:33,891 --> 00:54:36,963
as some of them are
doing at the moment.
1011
00:54:37,826 --> 00:54:39,137
The robots will do everything.
1012
00:54:39,137 --> 00:54:41,761
We'll have robots that
can make the robots.
1013
00:54:41,761 --> 00:54:43,901
So then what happens?
1014
00:54:43,901 --> 00:54:45,799
People might as well be extinct.
1015
00:54:47,214 --> 00:54:49,700
The whole world might as
well just lie down and die.
1016
00:54:50,977 --> 00:54:53,082
Give North Korea the
the power and just
1017
00:54:53,082 --> 00:54:55,844
let them press the button and
blow the bloody world up.
1018
00:54:57,846 --> 00:55:00,020
I think the right people
are right to think
1019
00:55:00,020 --> 00:55:01,850
that we're heading
towards the end.
1020
00:55:01,850 --> 00:55:04,577
I think it could be
eminently close.
1021
00:55:04,577 --> 00:55:09,444
It could be eminently within
the next couple of decades.
1022
00:55:09,444 --> 00:55:11,135
But I could give you
strong evidence
1023
00:55:11,135 --> 00:55:15,450
that's biblical evidence that
it could be 300 years away.
1024
00:55:15,450 --> 00:55:18,936
But it's not centuries
and centuries away.
1025
00:55:20,109 --> 00:55:24,321
There is very good
reason for believing
1026
00:55:24,321 --> 00:55:26,978
that we're getting to
that critical mass time.
1027
00:55:28,497 --> 00:55:29,947
Call it a biblical prophecy.
1028
00:55:29,947 --> 00:55:32,329
I don't want us to be
part of the 10 nations
1029
00:55:32,329 --> 00:55:35,124
that are going to rise
out of federal Europe.
1030
00:55:35,124 --> 00:55:37,610
By leaving we'll avoid that.
1031
00:55:39,059 --> 00:55:43,650
Whether you believe biblical
prophecy or not check it out.
1032
00:55:43,650 --> 00:55:45,928
It's been 100% accurate so far.
1033
00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:48,103
The future?
1034
00:55:49,276 --> 00:55:52,245
No reason to doubt that
it won't come to pass.
1035
00:55:53,453 --> 00:55:56,629
But until these circumstances
fall into place
1036
00:55:56,629 --> 00:55:57,837
nothing is gonna happen.
1037
00:55:59,528 --> 00:56:04,153
I don't think the
country will ever
1038
00:56:05,327 --> 00:56:08,261
come back to its
former glories because
1039
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,783
especially in the area
where I live because
1040
00:56:14,267 --> 00:56:17,374
there's not enough investment
there's not enough facilities.
1041
00:56:22,344 --> 00:56:23,759
There's basically just nothing.
1042
00:56:26,728 --> 00:56:28,281
You've got one third
of the country
1043
00:56:28,281 --> 00:56:31,388
people in the country live in
the Southeast of the country.
1044
00:56:32,906 --> 00:56:34,391
And that's where everything,
1045
00:56:34,391 --> 00:56:36,462
all the work and
everything is towards.
1046
00:56:36,462 --> 00:56:40,707
Brexit doesn't matter 'cause
we've got nothing anyhow.
1047
00:56:50,096 --> 00:56:53,099
[monastic chanting]
1048
01:00:35,079 --> 01:00:37,530
When you've lost
Democratic control
1049
01:00:37,530 --> 01:00:40,947
you can blame it on the experts.
1050
01:00:40,947 --> 01:00:44,951
But it's not the experts who
created the policies that's
1051
01:00:44,951 --> 01:00:47,644
basically the business world
and the corporate sector.
1052
01:00:51,406 --> 01:00:55,962
What's happening is
opposition to policies.
1053
01:00:55,962 --> 01:01:00,864
The policies are imposed
by self appointed experts.
1054
01:01:02,244 --> 01:01:05,454
So opposition to the
policies may take the form
1055
01:01:05,454 --> 01:01:09,907
of opposition to expertise
but that's not what it is.
1056
01:01:09,907 --> 01:01:14,256
In a democratic society not
everybody becomes an expert.
1057
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:28,477
[Woman] One feature of
our current condition
1058
01:01:29,651 --> 01:01:31,998
is that we have on
the one hand managed
1059
01:01:31,998 --> 01:01:37,003
to generate truly
extraordinary complexities,
1060
01:01:38,384 --> 01:01:41,111
complexities that demand
multiple systems of knowledge.
1061
01:01:41,111 --> 01:01:46,116
In all of that also lie
extraordinary capacities
1062
01:01:47,220 --> 01:01:50,983
to generate brutalities
that are simple.
1063
01:01:54,918 --> 01:01:58,335
Neoliberalism is the ideal
1064
01:01:58,335 --> 01:02:02,649
hegemonic ideology
of globalization.
1065
01:02:02,649 --> 01:02:05,100
It's basically saying
we must liberalize
1066
01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:08,725
all markets, make
them open markets.
1067
01:02:08,725 --> 01:02:10,761
We must commodify everything.
1068
01:02:10,761 --> 01:02:14,006
That means make them all
subject to market forces
1069
01:02:14,006 --> 01:02:17,216
and market prices
turning the commons
1070
01:02:17,216 --> 01:02:19,528
into part of the market society
1071
01:02:19,528 --> 01:02:24,533
and most importantly
privatize everything.
1072
01:02:25,396 --> 01:02:26,708
So privatize the health service.
1073
01:02:26,708 --> 01:02:28,158
Privatize your education system.
1074
01:02:28,158 --> 01:02:31,920
Privatize the occupational life.
1075
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,199
Privatize all public services.
1076
01:02:35,199 --> 01:02:39,169
And that agenda means they
also are very hostile
1077
01:02:39,169 --> 01:02:43,311
to all institutions that
stand against the market.
1078
01:02:43,311 --> 01:02:46,038
Trades Unions,
collective bargaining,
1079
01:02:46,038 --> 01:02:48,834
NGO's, form of institutions,
1080
01:02:48,834 --> 01:02:53,114
the education system as
an independent entity.
1081
01:02:53,114 --> 01:02:56,738
And they've been dismantling
those and weakening those
1082
01:02:56,738 --> 01:02:58,775
systematically for
the past 30 years.
1083
01:03:00,190 --> 01:03:03,089
A new liberalism as a
system worked for some time
1084
01:03:03,089 --> 01:03:07,335
but it's now collapsed and
since 2008 effectively
1085
01:03:07,335 --> 01:03:08,992
what we've seen is
government's trying
1086
01:03:08,992 --> 01:03:12,512
reinstate neoliberalism
through austerity.
1087
01:03:12,512 --> 01:03:14,204
But this has failed as well.
1088
01:03:15,343 --> 01:03:16,793
We haven't seen a return
to economic growth.
1089
01:03:16,793 --> 01:03:19,105
We're continuing to
see wages stagnate.
1090
01:03:19,105 --> 01:03:21,798
We're continuing to see
income inequality rise.
1091
01:03:21,798 --> 01:03:24,214
And we're continuing
to see people suffer.
1092
01:03:24,214 --> 01:03:26,561
I think Brexit if anything is
1093
01:03:26,561 --> 01:03:28,908
a reaction against
neoliberalism.
1094
01:03:28,908 --> 01:03:32,291
Now we don't have anything
to replace it yet.
1095
01:03:32,291 --> 01:03:37,123
And I think this is why today
feels so chaotic at the moment
1096
01:03:37,123 --> 01:03:39,643
effectively we don't have
a system that will yet
1097
01:03:39,643 --> 01:03:43,198
replace neoliberalism
even as we start to see
1098
01:03:43,198 --> 01:03:46,581
attempts by the right through
Donald Trump, Theresa May
1099
01:03:46,581 --> 01:03:51,517
to assert some sort of
authoritarian post liberal order.
1100
01:03:51,517 --> 01:03:54,589
Whether or not this will be
successful is yet to be seen.
1101
01:03:55,901 --> 01:04:00,008
What's wrong with
neoliberal democracy is
1102
01:04:00,008 --> 01:04:03,046
first of all that it
undermines democracy.
1103
01:04:03,046 --> 01:04:08,051
That's explicit when you
introduce privatization,
1104
01:04:09,362 --> 01:04:13,608
marketization and so on
that's taking decisions
1105
01:04:13,608 --> 01:04:16,611
away from people
and placing them
1106
01:04:16,611 --> 01:04:19,821
in the hands of private power.
1107
01:04:19,821 --> 01:04:23,238
That in itself is anti
democratic and it also
1108
01:04:23,238 --> 01:04:27,277
turns out to be harmful to
much of the population.
1109
01:04:27,277 --> 01:04:30,521
Joseph Stiglitz a Noble
Laureate in Economics
1110
01:04:30,521 --> 01:04:33,628
later Chief Economist
for the World Bank
1111
01:04:33,628 --> 01:04:36,873
warned against what
he called following
1112
01:04:36,873 --> 01:04:40,738
the religion that
markets know best.
1113
01:04:40,738 --> 01:04:43,603
They may know best about
the price of shoes
1114
01:04:43,603 --> 01:04:46,572
but there's a lot of things
they don't know best about.
1115
01:04:46,572 --> 01:04:48,712
And that's been demonstrated
1116
01:04:48,712 --> 01:04:51,232
and people are
suffering from it.
1117
01:04:51,232 --> 01:04:55,374
Bernie Sanders talked about
a political revolution
1118
01:04:55,374 --> 01:04:57,445
but if you look at his policies
1119
01:04:57,445 --> 01:05:00,379
they wouldn't have surprised
to Dwight Eisenhower.
1120
01:05:01,552 --> 01:05:05,039
Well these are signs
of how far everything
1121
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:08,525
is shifted to the right
during the neoliberal period.
1122
01:05:10,527 --> 01:05:12,080
Let's be honest.
1123
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:16,913
We have newspapers owned
by ex-Soviet spies,
1124
01:05:16,913 --> 01:05:20,123
mainstream newspaper in Britain.
1125
01:05:20,123 --> 01:05:25,128
We have billionaire plutocrats
dominating our media.
1126
01:05:27,199 --> 01:05:32,031
No government in Britain
has won since 1974
1127
01:05:34,482 --> 01:05:39,452
without the active support of
Rupert Murdoch, no government.
1128
01:05:40,971 --> 01:05:43,663
And Rupert Murdoch backed Brexit
1129
01:05:44,941 --> 01:05:47,564
and he got his Sun newspaper
and Sky and others
1130
01:05:47,564 --> 01:05:52,569
to come out in favor of Brexit
peddling many of the lies
1131
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:55,641
that the Brexit campaigners
were putting out.
1132
01:05:57,056 --> 01:05:58,575
And he won.
1133
01:05:58,575 --> 01:06:02,786
He was on the winning side as
always in British politics.
1134
01:06:02,786 --> 01:06:04,650
And Rupert Murdoch was asked by
1135
01:06:04,650 --> 01:06:07,308
the press why he
supported Brexit?
1136
01:06:08,688 --> 01:06:10,725
Very revealing answer.
1137
01:06:10,725 --> 01:06:12,761
He must be getting old.
1138
01:06:12,761 --> 01:06:14,142
His answer was
1139
01:06:15,799 --> 01:06:20,045
because when I go to Downing
Street they do as I tell them.
1140
01:06:20,045 --> 01:06:22,771
When I go to Brussels no
one takes any notice.
1141
01:06:25,602 --> 01:06:28,398
The shocking thing about
this neoliberal moment
1142
01:06:28,398 --> 01:06:33,403
where we see racism on the
rise and so openly expressed
1143
01:06:34,576 --> 01:06:36,475
is that I would have
never expected to see
1144
01:06:37,959 --> 01:06:41,721
far right politicians given
the platform that they have.
1145
01:06:41,721 --> 01:06:45,725
On television we see Nigel
Farage for you UKIP
1146
01:06:45,725 --> 01:06:49,522
sitting there on the
same platform as
1147
01:06:49,522 --> 01:06:52,836
the bona fide traditional
political parties.
1148
01:06:52,836 --> 01:06:56,219
We see all across
Europe the far right
1149
01:06:57,392 --> 01:07:00,119
and whether it's
Wilders or Le Pen
1150
01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:04,779
having an open platform
to say racist things
1151
01:07:04,779 --> 01:07:08,300
and then claim what I'm
saying is the truth,
1152
01:07:08,300 --> 01:07:10,716
what I'm saying is I'm honest.
1153
01:07:10,716 --> 01:07:14,271
They're saying it isn't
racist to be racist.
1154
01:07:14,271 --> 01:07:17,309
By having this huge scapegoating
1155
01:07:17,309 --> 01:07:20,622
when capitalism is in
its point of crisis
1156
01:07:20,622 --> 01:07:24,695
this project now needs
to find somebody
1157
01:07:24,695 --> 01:07:26,732
and we use the word scapegoating
1158
01:07:26,732 --> 01:07:31,185
and it might seem like a
cliche but it is so evident
1159
01:07:31,185 --> 01:07:33,256
that you cannot
believe it's actually
1160
01:07:33,256 --> 01:07:34,912
happening in front of your eyes.
1161
01:07:36,052 --> 01:07:38,468
[calm music]
1162
01:07:48,340 --> 01:07:51,826
What does a plastic bottle
water have in common
1163
01:07:51,826 --> 01:07:56,072
with a migrant arriving
at the shores of Europe?
1164
01:07:56,072 --> 01:08:01,007
Well the water bottle, that
water comes from far away.
1165
01:08:02,526 --> 01:08:06,254
Big complex corporate arrangements
were made for us to get
1166
01:08:07,669 --> 01:08:11,363
that little bottle of
plastic with water in it.
1167
01:08:11,363 --> 01:08:15,505
It's Coca Cola, it's Nestle,
and about 20 other bottlers.
1168
01:08:15,505 --> 01:08:20,510
They go in they often
buy or simply grab
1169
01:08:21,959 --> 01:08:25,239
a huge piece of land and they
begin to extract the water.
1170
01:08:25,239 --> 01:08:29,277
The water was extracted
from a large piece of land
1171
01:08:29,277 --> 01:08:32,108
that used to be the land
that produced a livelihood
1172
01:08:32,108 --> 01:08:36,215
and good nice fresh vegetables
for small communities
1173
01:08:36,215 --> 01:08:38,873
and small growers small farmers.
1174
01:08:38,873 --> 01:08:43,843
They have lost their habitats
because we got our water.
1175
01:08:45,051 --> 01:08:47,537
Think of the millions
and millions of people
1176
01:08:48,745 --> 01:08:52,093
who are expelled by
those processes.
1177
01:08:52,093 --> 01:08:55,890
So at our borders we get our
plastic bottle of water
1178
01:08:55,890 --> 01:09:00,205
and we get our migrants, we
never see the connection.
1179
01:09:03,967 --> 01:09:05,279
So the question of Brexit was
1180
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:08,005
the question of
Britishness in a sense.
1181
01:09:08,005 --> 01:09:10,836
And at the same time the
question of foreignness.
1182
01:09:10,836 --> 01:09:13,149
What is a foreign, who is
a foreign, and what is
1183
01:09:13,149 --> 01:09:15,151
the relationship we have
to have with the foreign?
1184
01:09:15,151 --> 01:09:18,326
The idea of Brexit was not that
the UK was to leave Europe
1185
01:09:18,326 --> 01:09:21,087
but it was the Europe
had to leave the UK.
1186
01:09:21,087 --> 01:09:24,160
So it's not about the
UK coming out of Europe
1187
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:28,129
but it's about expelling
Europe from the UK.
1188
01:09:28,129 --> 01:09:29,544
Now what is Europe?
1189
01:09:29,544 --> 01:09:33,652
Well in the perspective of
Brexit as in the perspective of
1190
01:09:33,652 --> 01:09:36,137
the majority of the people
that voted for Brexit
1191
01:09:36,137 --> 01:09:39,278
Europe was this strange hybrid.
1192
01:09:39,278 --> 01:09:44,283
Europe was the bureaucratic
elites the fat cats in Brussels.
1193
01:09:45,733 --> 01:09:48,529
And at the same time it was
the kind of dirty immigrants.
1194
01:09:48,529 --> 01:09:50,220
So it's a strange
combination of this
1195
01:09:50,220 --> 01:09:54,707
cosmopolitan extravagant
elitist world
1196
01:09:54,707 --> 01:09:58,401
and it's dirty dangerous
criminal underworld.
1197
01:10:04,752 --> 01:10:09,757
We have had two major migrant
subjects, the refugee
1198
01:10:11,034 --> 01:10:12,760
and there is an international
law that allows us
1199
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:17,454
to recognize the refugee when
she stands at our borders.
1200
01:10:17,454 --> 01:10:19,249
And then we have the immigrant.
1201
01:10:19,249 --> 01:10:21,320
the immigrant is a
strong subject.
1202
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:24,323
It's extraordinary actually
when you think about it
1203
01:10:24,323 --> 01:10:28,500
how few people become immigrants
1204
01:10:28,500 --> 01:10:31,848
given a world with
such unequal chances.
1205
01:10:31,848 --> 01:10:34,885
When she appears at our
borders there is national law
1206
01:10:34,885 --> 01:10:36,715
which is very messy
law by the way.
1207
01:10:36,715 --> 01:10:39,304
But there is law
that recognizes her.
1208
01:10:39,304 --> 01:10:43,584
I see in today's epoch
really just the last five
1209
01:10:43,584 --> 01:10:46,552
maybe at most in
certain areas 10 years
1210
01:10:46,552 --> 01:10:51,523
a third subject who is invisible
to the eye of the law.
1211
01:10:52,972 --> 01:10:55,941
And one very sort of brief
and a bit exaggerated
1212
01:10:55,941 --> 01:10:58,909
way of putting it is
she's the refugee
1213
01:10:58,909 --> 01:11:02,465
of a certain mode of
economic development.
1214
01:11:02,465 --> 01:11:06,020
Land grabs, mining,
et cetera et cetera.
1215
01:11:06,020 --> 01:11:09,506
In the measures that
countries use to measure
1216
01:11:09,506 --> 01:11:13,234
how their economy is
doing when a plantation
1217
01:11:13,234 --> 01:11:18,135
when a mine replaces
millions of small holders
1218
01:11:18,135 --> 01:11:23,140
of small agricultural people
that reads as a positive.
1219
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:28,111
It shows as GDP per
capita growth.
1220
01:11:28,111 --> 01:11:31,010
It does not measure the
fact of these millions
1221
01:11:31,010 --> 01:11:36,015
who are expelled who then
reappear at the edges of Europe.
1222
01:11:37,189 --> 01:11:39,812
So we are dealing with
a very complex cycle
1223
01:11:39,812 --> 01:11:42,643
that connects the destruction
of the environment
1224
01:11:42,643 --> 01:11:45,439
which produces a
loss of habitat.
1225
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,580
The fact that how we
measure that destruction
1226
01:11:48,580 --> 01:11:51,376
of the habitats, we
measure it as a positive.
1227
01:11:51,376 --> 01:11:55,449
And the invisibility of
this third emergent subject
1228
01:11:55,449 --> 01:12:00,385
that is the subject of our
modernity, this modernity.
1229
01:12:01,006 --> 01:12:02,904
[calm music]
1230
01:12:10,843 --> 01:12:13,605
[waves crashing]
1231
01:12:15,710 --> 01:12:18,195
It's often lamented that
there aren't enough jobs.
1232
01:12:18,195 --> 01:12:21,060
Of course this is ironic
as in the fact that
1233
01:12:21,060 --> 01:12:23,166
there aren't enough jobs
should be a good sign.
1234
01:12:23,166 --> 01:12:26,169
As in if jobs are supposed to be
1235
01:12:26,169 --> 01:12:29,655
activities that we do to
cater for people's needs.
1236
01:12:29,655 --> 01:12:31,347
And needs are of
course these horrible
1237
01:12:31,347 --> 01:12:33,279
thing that we have
to get rid of.
1238
01:12:33,279 --> 01:12:35,558
We have this
pressing urging need
1239
01:12:35,558 --> 01:12:37,249
and what we want to do
is to get rid of it.
1240
01:12:37,249 --> 01:12:38,802
Like we are thirsty we drink.
1241
01:12:38,802 --> 01:12:40,839
Then the fact that there
aren't enough jobs
1242
01:12:40,839 --> 01:12:43,048
means that there aren't enough
1243
01:12:43,048 --> 01:12:45,844
unsatisfied needs that
we need to satisfy.
1244
01:12:45,844 --> 01:12:49,261
So logically you would
say it is a good thing.
1245
01:12:49,261 --> 01:12:52,575
It becomes a bad thing when
not having enough jobs
1246
01:12:52,575 --> 01:12:55,163
becomes not having
enough income.
1247
01:12:56,613 --> 01:12:59,029
The reason why there aren't
enough jobs has to do with
1248
01:12:59,029 --> 01:13:00,617
transformations
in the productive
1249
01:13:00,617 --> 01:13:03,344
systems the increasing
automation.
1250
01:13:03,344 --> 01:13:05,311
Over the last 100
years there was this
1251
01:13:05,311 --> 01:13:07,935
continuous discussion about
the fact that automation
1252
01:13:07,935 --> 01:13:11,110
would reduce working
hours in a good way.
1253
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:13,803
It would require us to work
less and less and less.
1254
01:13:13,803 --> 01:13:15,045
In fact that has not happened.
1255
01:13:15,045 --> 01:13:18,117
We work now more than
we used to work before.
1256
01:13:18,117 --> 01:13:21,362
The working year of a medieval
peasant was actually less
1257
01:13:21,362 --> 01:13:24,917
full than the working year
of a collar worker today.
1258
01:13:26,091 --> 01:13:28,127
So often times when we
think about automation
1259
01:13:28,127 --> 01:13:32,062
we think about big industrial
robots on the assembly line.
1260
01:13:32,062 --> 01:13:33,823
But actually the
self driving car
1261
01:13:33,823 --> 01:13:36,757
is a better model for
automation today.
1262
01:13:38,206 --> 01:13:40,519
The self driving car,
little is 10 years ago
1263
01:13:40,519 --> 01:13:42,107
people were confidently
predicting
1264
01:13:42,107 --> 01:13:44,178
that it was basically
impossible.
1265
01:13:44,178 --> 01:13:46,732
We would never have
a self driving car.
1266
01:13:46,732 --> 01:13:48,803
Now obviously that's
not the case.
1267
01:13:48,803 --> 01:13:50,702
the important part
about this is that
1268
01:13:50,702 --> 01:13:54,740
there are millions of people
working in driving jobs.
1269
01:13:54,740 --> 01:13:57,433
Whether it be truck drivers
or delivery drivers
1270
01:13:57,433 --> 01:14:01,644
or taxi drivers if you
look at America about 80%
1271
01:14:01,644 --> 01:14:05,268
of the states truck driving
is the most popular job.
1272
01:14:05,268 --> 01:14:07,512
So this is a huge
huge job sector
1273
01:14:07,512 --> 01:14:09,479
which is going to be
impacted by a very
1274
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:11,930
large amount by this
wave of automation.
1275
01:14:13,897 --> 01:14:16,106
So I think a lot of
the images of future
1276
01:14:16,106 --> 01:14:20,490
that are offered today
oftentimes rely upon the past.
1277
01:14:20,490 --> 01:14:23,631
When we look to mainstream
social democratic parties
1278
01:14:23,631 --> 01:14:26,323
when we look to trade unions,
when we look to what
1279
01:14:26,323 --> 01:14:28,809
a lot of social movements
are offering the idea of
1280
01:14:28,809 --> 01:14:33,123
the future that they offer
is simply 1960's capitalism.
1281
01:14:33,123 --> 01:14:37,127
It's Keynesian it's the welfare
state and social democracy
1282
01:14:37,127 --> 01:14:39,578
but this isn't actually
an image of the future
1283
01:14:39,578 --> 01:14:42,132
so much as an image
of a nostalgic past.
1284
01:14:42,132 --> 01:14:44,756
I think a lot of the
slogans around making
1285
01:14:44,756 --> 01:14:48,829
America great again or returning
the great to Great Britain
1286
01:14:48,829 --> 01:14:51,487
a lot of these are highly
racialized slogans which
1287
01:14:51,487 --> 01:14:55,007
actually have an image of a
very white sort of country.
1288
01:14:55,007 --> 01:14:58,148
And what they want in
fact it's not necessarily
1289
01:14:58,148 --> 01:15:00,841
a return to some
previous period of glory
1290
01:15:00,841 --> 01:15:02,359
but instead they want
to return to what
1291
01:15:02,359 --> 01:15:04,776
they see as being
their white country.
1292
01:15:06,225 --> 01:15:08,262
But I think it's really
important to talk about
1293
01:15:08,262 --> 01:15:12,300
the distinctions
amongst whiteness.
1294
01:15:12,300 --> 01:15:14,855
Because there's the
white working class
1295
01:15:14,855 --> 01:15:16,581
and then there's the
white middle class
1296
01:15:16,581 --> 01:15:19,894
and then there's the elite
and the super elite
1297
01:15:19,894 --> 01:15:24,243
and each one embodies and holds
a different form of power.
1298
01:15:24,243 --> 01:15:29,145
So even though the skin
color may seem the same
1299
01:15:29,145 --> 01:15:31,457
they are absolutely situated in
1300
01:15:31,457 --> 01:15:34,288
a different part of
the social structure.
1301
01:15:34,288 --> 01:15:36,670
And how they relate
to each other
1302
01:15:36,670 --> 01:15:40,570
is important to understanding
the dynamics of Brexit
1303
01:15:40,570 --> 01:15:44,816
because actually you
have the empowered elite
1304
01:15:44,816 --> 01:15:48,440
and the middle classes
voting to remain.
1305
01:15:48,440 --> 01:15:50,442
And you have the working class
1306
01:15:50,442 --> 01:15:53,963
and the abject poor
and even within that
1307
01:15:53,963 --> 01:15:58,415
some black working
class voting to leave.
1308
01:15:58,415 --> 01:16:02,281
And they feel they want
their sovereignty back.
1309
01:16:02,281 --> 01:16:04,560
They want a love of the nation.
1310
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:09,288
They want to reassert their
Britishness, all the things
1311
01:16:09,288 --> 01:16:14,086
that actually smooth the wheels
for the political elite.
1312
01:16:14,086 --> 01:16:18,884
Because nationalism is the
endgame of capitalism.
1313
01:16:18,884 --> 01:16:23,889
It is the structure of the
state that allows the elite
1314
01:16:25,373 --> 01:16:29,412
to gain wealth and status
and assert a certain kind
1315
01:16:30,586 --> 01:16:33,209
of white privilege over
the white working class.
1316
01:16:33,209 --> 01:16:36,246
And there you have within
this heady mixture
1317
01:16:36,246 --> 01:16:40,665
you have the black working
class and the migrant groups
1318
01:16:40,665 --> 01:16:43,737
as the kind of cog in the wheel
1319
01:16:43,737 --> 01:16:46,981
that links the white working
class to the elite.
1320
01:16:46,981 --> 01:16:50,951
Because by hating and
despising the migrant
1321
01:16:50,951 --> 01:16:53,574
you're not looking at the
people that are truly
1322
01:16:53,574 --> 01:16:55,749
oppressing you and taking
away your benefits
1323
01:16:55,749 --> 01:16:58,268
and removing your
industrial base
1324
01:16:58,268 --> 01:16:59,960
so that you are no
longer employed
1325
01:16:59,960 --> 01:17:02,997
and not building any houses
for the working class.
1326
01:17:02,997 --> 01:17:04,827
No you're not looking at that.
1327
01:17:04,827 --> 01:17:08,244
You're looking at your neighbor
who is black and saying
1328
01:17:08,244 --> 01:17:10,522
get out of here which
is what happened.
1329
01:17:10,522 --> 01:17:13,490
The moment the
Brexit vote happened
1330
01:17:13,490 --> 01:17:17,115
a rise of racism and
the verbal abuse
1331
01:17:17,115 --> 01:17:20,359
that happened on the
streets was horrendous.
1332
01:17:20,359 --> 01:17:21,775
I mean it happened to me.
1333
01:17:21,775 --> 01:17:24,329
I was walking down the
street the day after Brexit
1334
01:17:24,329 --> 01:17:27,435
and an elderly white man
told me to go back home.
1335
01:17:27,435 --> 01:17:31,439
This is my home I am
black and British.
1336
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:34,788
So we have a sense
in which the idea
1337
01:17:34,788 --> 01:17:36,962
that all white
bodies are the same
1338
01:17:36,962 --> 01:17:40,000
is something that we
need to disentangle
1339
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:44,142
because different meanings can
stick to different bodies.
1340
01:17:44,142 --> 01:17:46,800
[ominous music]
1341
01:17:59,088 --> 01:18:01,021
What I find so almost harrowing
1342
01:18:01,021 --> 01:18:06,026
about the current condition is
how much of it is invisible.
1343
01:18:12,342 --> 01:18:16,864
Brexit is partly a cry of help.
1344
01:18:18,452 --> 01:18:21,938
It's a cry, there's pain
in the success of Brexit.
1345
01:18:21,938 --> 01:18:23,975
It represents pain.
1346
01:18:23,975 --> 01:18:27,841
And that is the people
who were left behind.
1347
01:18:27,841 --> 01:18:32,190
And to put the burden of Brexit
1348
01:18:32,190 --> 01:18:36,470
on a sort of
mindless nationalism
1349
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:41,268
of those types of workers
and families and cities
1350
01:18:41,268 --> 01:18:45,824
that have lost so much ground
because of the financializing,
1351
01:18:45,824 --> 01:18:48,275
the corporatizing, and
the internationalizing
1352
01:18:48,275 --> 01:18:51,830
of our national economies
that is truly unfair.
1353
01:18:53,211 --> 01:18:56,317
More importantly perhaps that
doesn't get us anywhere.
1354
01:19:02,161 --> 01:19:12,161
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