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You always hear folklore.
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You hear horror stories
and ghost stories.
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But a lot of the ones
told are true.
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I'm not worried about a ghost,
but I worry about people.
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Perhaps that day,
maybe he was out hunting.
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Like maybe he was
just looking for people
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that he thought
he could kill.
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We were way out
in the middle of nowhere.
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There was no help.
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What are you gonna do?
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Just run for your life.
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The appalachian trail
follows a path
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from Georgia to Maine,
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2,000 miles along america's
oldest mountain chain.
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To hikers,
it's known as simply the a.T.
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The appalachian trail
is completely isolated.
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The enjoyment of the trail
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is getting out where
there is nothing but nature.
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But one of the drawbacks
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to the Serenity
of the surroundings
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is you become very complacent,
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very comfortable,
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and you kind of don't
see the dangers that lurk.
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On a peaceful day
in may of 1981,
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two hikers were walking
on this trail.
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Bobby mountford
and Susan Ramsey
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were social workers,
and part of their hike
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was to raise money
for a facility
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for troubled kids up in Maine.
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In 1981, Bobby was hiking
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the entire trail
from south to north,
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and I believe that
Susan had joined him
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for several weeks
to come up through Virginia.
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Okay.
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Okay, I think we're here.
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Well, that's a relief.
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Where is here,
exactly?
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Dismal...
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Right,
it's dismal creek.
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Yeah. And we're,
right on time.
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Excellent.
Okay, so, from here,
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it's another three miles
to wapiti shelter.
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We're just gonna
camp there overnight.
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And then from there,
it is 17 miles into town.
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Okay.
Man.
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There was also
a gentleman there.
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He's a very
sheepish-looking guy.
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Bobby.
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If you know
where to go looking,
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there's arrowheads all over
these here parts.
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Indian arrowheads.
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I could show you how
to spot 'em if you like.
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Sure, if you're
going our way.
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He doesn't look at you.
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He -- when he talks to you,
he kind of looks down.
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Bobby: We could always use
the extra company.
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You from around these parts?
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I sure am
pleased to meet you.
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Okay. Bobby.
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Susan: Hi, Susan.
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They talked for a few minutes.
They had a conversation.
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Then they left together,
walking down the trail.
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Follow you.
Yeah, sure.
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By day's end,
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all three would become
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etched into appalachian trail
lore forever.
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I live out here.
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The lingering memory
of what happened persists there
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really to this day.
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Almost 27 years later,
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33-year-old Sean farmer
is on his way
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to visit the same section
of the appalachian trail.
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Dismal creek is in the
southwestern part of our county.
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It's a gloomy name, but, I mean,
it's just a beautiful place
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to go and relax
and enjoy yourself.
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Well, I'm originally
from bluefield, Virginia.
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It's right on the border
of Virginia and West Virginia.
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It's in
the appalachian mountains.
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Yeah, I'd say the biggest
part of my life
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when I was a kid
was fishing or,
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you know, camping,
stuff like that.
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That day,
I was planning to go meet
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my friend Scott Johnson.
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I grew up with Scott.
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Um, he and I'd fished
our whole lives together.
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He was a great
fishing buddy.
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Hey, man.
Give me 20 bucks on pump two.
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You bet.
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And one of these.
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You set to hike the a.T.?
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No.
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Just doing some fishing.
Up above dismal falls.
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Dismal?
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Them two hikers,
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they seen some funny
things up that way.
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Strange marks on the rocks
along the creek.
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Scared them boys
into coming back down here
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and hiking the highway
till they reached town.
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Need a receipt?
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Nah, man.
I'm good.
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Well, you be careful
out there.
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Watch out for them cougars
and what have you.
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Where we were on --
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up there on dismal creek
was really isolated,
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and it was about as far back
as you could be.
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Scott and I had camped
at dismal creek four,
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five times before,
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and fished several times
in the past.
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That's kind of like
our backyard, almost.
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That day, when I pulled up
to the campsite,
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his truck was there,
his tent was already set up.
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Scott wasn't there.
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You must be Sean.
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That's right.
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Scott said he'd be
meeting you here.
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I'm Ricky Williams.
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Ricky Williams,
like the football player.
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You don't look
much like him.
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No.
I don't guess I do.
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Thing is, me and Scott
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were doing some fishing
down along the dismal.
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He said I --
I could join you for supper.
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Yeah, that's cool, man.
You can do that.
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That's good.
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We'll need some wood
for a fire.
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You do that.
I'll finish this.
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I didn't think
much of it at first.
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He was kind of a weird guy,
you know.
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There is a code on the --
on the appalachian trail,
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you know,
to help each other out
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and befriend each other
and just be there,
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and if someone's in need,
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maybe share something you have,
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and maybe they'll share
something they have with you.
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Dude.
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Scott.
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You made it, man.
Yeah, man.
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Hey, check this out.
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Nice. Nice.
Ooh!
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Babies are biting.
Yes.
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Hey, well,
let's get a fire started.
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Let's do it.
All right, man.
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Eventually,
Scott came up from the river.
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Several hours passed,
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and, you know,
we cleaned the fish,
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then we cooked out
and made some burgers,
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and it was getting dark.
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Williams: Guess you boys know
these woods pretty good?
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Bet you know about the trail
that is going through here,
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the appalachian trail.
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Yeah, I guess you must have
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heard tell about
the a.T. Killer.
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That happened down in,
Carolina, right?
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The a.T. Killer, in '81?
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No, sir.
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That was right here
in Virginia,
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not too far from this spot,
mind you.
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Just a few yards
on down the trail.
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In 1981, after
social workers Susan and Bobby
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met a stranger
along dismal creek,
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they made camp
at wapiti shelter.
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So you two boyfriend
and girlfriend like?
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Well, we --
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we're really good friends.
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Yeah.
We work together
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at a place for people who
don't have anywhere to go.
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Susan felt
that he was harmless,
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that he basically
was a person
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who was mentally or --
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or even physically
challenged in some way
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and unable to maneuver
the trail,
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and so she felt like she needed
to take him, assist him.
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Being a social worker
is a great thing,
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but in this case,
it might've been the downfall.
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Hey, do you have
a place to call home?
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Indians were in these woods
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10,000 years 'fore US,
you know?
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We're just interlopers.
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Do you know what
them Indians did
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when the first settlers
come up here?
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Oldest grave in these parts
is Mary Porter's, 1742.
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The Indians got her.
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They killed her.
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Listen, I gotta
get out of here.
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Now is the time.
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Now is the hour.
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Ours is the magic.
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Ours is the power.
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Ours is the power.
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Now.
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Now.
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Now. Now. Now. Now.
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On may 19, 1981,
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Bob mountford and Susan Ramsey
were on
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the appalachian trail in
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the dismal creek area
of giles county.
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Now. Now. Now.
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Now. Now. Now.
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Now. Now.
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Ricky: Took a week
'fore they found 'em.
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All tied up in their bedrolls,
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buried in shallow graves.
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Sean and Scott
had come to dismal creek
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to fish in may 2008.
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It was something
they'd done a lot before.
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Sean found a man there,
Ricky Williams.
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They invite Ricky
to have supper with them.
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They tried to take care
of him a little bit.
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That's one hell
of a story.
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Happened right around here,
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not one mile away.
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You ought to hear
the rest of it.
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Now it was up to the sheriff
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to find the fellow
who'd done all this.
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People were terrified.
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They -- they thought
that there was a,
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you know,
a killer on the loose.
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No one knew
what had happened.
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No one knew
who had done it.
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The entire appalachian trail
in Virginia
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was shut down
by the authorities.
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There was a --
a large,
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police presence
all along the trail.
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People were trying
to find hikers
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and make sure
people were safe.
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In 1981,
I was a deputy sheriff.
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I investigated robberies,
rapes, murders,
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thefts, bad checks.
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Whatever was reported,
we handled.
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This case
will forever be with me.
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Hey.
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We found a book.
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There was a blood smudge
on the book
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with a fingerprint in it.
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Okay, we got a thumbprint here.
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You think that's blood?
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We'll find out.
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The fingerprint
found in the book
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matched a pearisburg, Virginia,
resident with no prior history
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of violence --
27-year-old Randall Lee Smith.
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Randall Lee Smith?
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Who's Randall Lee Smith?
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Randall Smith had
grown up on the outskirts
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of the town of pearisburg.
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Smith lived with his mother
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after his mother
and father divorced
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and his father left.
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He had an aunt and uncle
that lived next door,
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and the uncle would
take him camping, um,
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along the same area
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of national forest
and appalachian trail
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that would later figure
so much in his life
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and those of his victims.
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Ms. Smith, we're here about --
I know why you're here.
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And you ain't coming in,
not without a warrant.
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Randall Smith lived
a -- almost a secluded life,
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and he had acquired
the nickname "l.R."
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For "lyin' Randall."
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He was an outcast all his life.
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He basically
just stayed at home
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with his mother
or collected arrowheads
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out in the national forest.
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We went and --
and searched the house.
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We found several pictures
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of naked women taped together.
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Lawson, over here.
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We found some
cutoff shorts.
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It looked like there
was something red
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all over these shorts.
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Well, through
our investigation,
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we determined the blood
in the shorts were --
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were Susan's.
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Narrator:
Several weeks later,
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investigators arrested
Randall Lee Smith
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in south Carolina
and returned him to Virginia.
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Randall Smith had
a lot of mystery
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that stayed with him,
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why he did such
a horrible thing.
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I'm told that when
the investigators asked him
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about it in 1981,
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he just said he didn't
want to talk about it.
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In 1982,
Smith pled guilty
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to the murders of Susan Ramsey
and Robert mountford Jr.
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And was sentenced
to 30 years in prison.
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Hikers for years have
recorded how they were feeling haunted,
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feeling eerie,
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not feeling comfortable
in that area.
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Whether it's superstition
or just respect or --
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or just a -- a knowledge
of the history,
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hikers have been reluctant
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to stay in wapiti shelter
since then.
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And locals never forgot
the name Randall Lee Smith.
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My fears really came about
once I knew the sentence he got.
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I knew that he would walk out
at some point in time
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and be back in society.
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I never had a doubt
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that he was capable
of doing it again.
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Ricky: Yeah.
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They found the guy.
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Locked him in a cage.
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Well, good.
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That'll keep the woods safe
for the rest of US.
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Listen, guys.
I -- I gotta get out of here.
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Dude.
Where did you find this guy?
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Man, he just showed up
when I was fishing.
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He stands on the bank
and tells me
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there ain't no fish
no more in dismal creek.
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I said,
"maybe for you, buddy.
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I got 'em jumping
in the cooler."
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Next thing I know,
he's up here talking to you.
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He told me you invited him
here for supper.
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That guy?
Yeah.
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Man, I just told him
we were making camp up here.
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Man.
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Fire's dying.
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Narrator:
After meeting a stranger
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near the site of
a 1981 double murder,
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campers Scott and Sean
think they're alone.
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Now is the time.
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Now is the hour.
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Ours is the magic.
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Ours is the power.
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Ours is the power.
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Now. Now.
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Now.
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Now. Now. Now.
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Now.
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I didn't know
what really happened.
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Like, I just knew
my head was ringing
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and like I was drooling
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and I couldn't see
from my left eye.
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And then I saw fire
come from his hand.
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And that's when
he shot Scott in the neck.
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And at that point,
I knew I'd been shot.
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Scott was kind of, like,
turned and then ran.
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And then the guy shot him
a couple more times in the back.
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This all happened so fast.
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I was just like, "well,
I'm either gonna run
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or I gotta get him."
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Then when I ran at him,
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he turned and shot
at me one more time.
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He didn't say anything
when he was shooting US.
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He just sort of had
this blank look on his face.
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Maybe he was just
looking for people
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that he thought he could kill
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and maybe felt like
we were two candidates.
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Scott was shot in the neck.
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He had to put his finger
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over the hole
to keep it from bleeding.
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He was able to have
enough wits about him,
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"I need to get out of here."
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At the same time,
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Sean is desperate
to make his escape.
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I knew my keys
were in the Jeep.
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It was backed into the campsite,
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so I just knew I had to jump
in there and punch it.
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Now is the time.
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Now is the hour.
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Ours is the magic.
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Ours is the power.
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Ours is the power.
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I saw him
point the gun at me
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and I just put my arm
straight towards it.
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And then there were
no more bullets.
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00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,380
Somehow, Sean makes
it out of the campground,
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00:26:06,380 --> 00:26:08,610
but he still doesn't
know the whole story.
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In 1996, Randall
Smith is paroled from prison.
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He returns to the edge
of pearisburg, Virginia,
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and he moves in
with his mother
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in the same house
where he grew up.
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Four years after he gets home,
his mother dies of cancer.
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I sure am pleased to meet you.
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The convicted killer
of Susan Ramsey
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and Bobby mountford
kept mostly to himself.
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00:26:35,410 --> 00:26:38,240
I really don't think
that the community
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where his mother's house
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was located
were very comfortable
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00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:42,780
when he came back there.
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I wouldn't have been
if I lived there.
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In may of 2008,
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00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:51,660
five days before the shooting
of Sean and Scott,
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00:26:51,660 --> 00:26:56,760
a family friend reported
Randall Lee Smith missing.
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00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,500
We went to,
the Smith house
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to do a welfare check.
387
00:27:08,540 --> 00:27:11,180
Got a lot of mail.
388
00:27:11,180 --> 00:27:14,210
Oof! This place
could use a paint job.
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00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,680
Just keep an eye out
for anything funny.
390
00:27:19,690 --> 00:27:22,650
All right.
391
00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:32,560
Do me a favor.
Check in with the neighbors.
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00:27:32,570 --> 00:27:34,730
Maybe they saw
something we can use.
393
00:27:34,740 --> 00:27:36,710
Right.
With his prior history,
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00:27:36,700 --> 00:27:39,800
we had to see if
anybody had seen him
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00:27:39,810 --> 00:27:43,110
or heard from him or,
you know,
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00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:45,940
maybe seen
something suspicious.
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00:27:45,950 --> 00:27:49,410
I'm gonna get
some fliers made up.
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00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:05,500
So Randall left town?
399
00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:08,130
That's what we're
hoping to find out.
400
00:28:08,140 --> 00:28:11,810
That boy never could
keep a story straight.
401
00:28:11,810 --> 00:28:13,910
Did you check the house?
Yep.
402
00:28:13,910 --> 00:28:16,010
Shut down.
403
00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:20,510
Well, if he ain't there,
I bet he's gone for good,
404
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,490
lest he's gone up
to the mountain.
405
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,350
Well, if you don't
mind putting those up
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00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:26,680
where folks'd see it,
407
00:28:26,690 --> 00:28:29,390
letting US know
if he turns up.
408
00:28:29,390 --> 00:28:32,360
All right.
409
00:28:39,270 --> 00:28:43,400
What kind of trouble
you into this time?
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00:28:49,910 --> 00:28:51,980
I didn't know if Scott
was gonna live or die.
411
00:28:51,980 --> 00:28:58,450
I was just thinking about,
"get out of there and survive."
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00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:12,960
Scott!
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00:29:12,970 --> 00:29:15,970
Sean and Scott
are miraculously still alive
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00:29:15,970 --> 00:29:18,900
after suffering
multiple gunshot wounds.
415
00:29:18,910 --> 00:29:21,410
Come on, man.
416
00:29:24,580 --> 00:29:25,940
Hey, you all right?
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00:29:25,950 --> 00:29:28,680
Now, their only hope of rescue
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00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:33,850
is to make their way down miles
of treacherous mountain roads.
419
00:29:33,850 --> 00:29:36,420
Gangloff:
I've driven that mountain.
420
00:29:36,420 --> 00:29:37,320
There are cliffs
along the way.
421
00:29:37,330 --> 00:29:41,370
There's any number of places
they could get into trouble.
422
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,900
Here, man.
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00:29:43,900 --> 00:29:46,630
Call the cops.
424
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:49,230
Has it got signal?
425
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:57,440
Man, we just drive till
we find somebody, all right?
426
00:29:57,450 --> 00:30:00,050
All right.
Somebody to help US.
427
00:30:24,770 --> 00:30:27,670
Scott.
428
00:30:30,510 --> 00:30:33,880
Are you with me, man?
Are you okay?
429
00:30:34,850 --> 00:30:39,350
Scott.
Please just tell me
430
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:41,790
we're not gonna die.
431
00:30:41,790 --> 00:30:43,090
Please tell me
we're not gonna die.
432
00:30:43,090 --> 00:30:45,720
Dude, where are
your keys at?
433
00:30:49,030 --> 00:30:52,360
My truck.
434
00:30:53,900 --> 00:30:57,100
Man, help me.
Help me look behind US, man.
435
00:30:57,100 --> 00:30:59,970
Tell me if you see him.
436
00:31:09,380 --> 00:31:12,380
Sean and Scott
are shot multiple times.
437
00:31:12,390 --> 00:31:14,220
It's amazing that they're
staying conscious,
438
00:31:14,220 --> 00:31:18,290
much less they've got
to negotiate a twisting,
439
00:31:18,290 --> 00:31:21,090
winding road
down the mountain.
440
00:31:23,060 --> 00:31:24,230
Hey!
441
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:25,360
Stay with me, man.
442
00:31:25,370 --> 00:31:27,670
The whole way
down the mountain,
443
00:31:27,670 --> 00:31:31,340
it's getting darker and darker.
444
00:31:31,340 --> 00:31:33,100
I'm behind the wheel,
but, I mean,
445
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:35,040
my head is ringing so bad.
446
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,480
Like, I can't...
Even words or anything --
447
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,310
any sound hurts even worse.
448
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:42,510
I can't see out of my left eye.
I can hear.
449
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,880
Like, Scott's talking.
He's worried to death about me.
450
00:31:46,890 --> 00:31:50,150
Man, help me.
Help me look behind US, man.
451
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,930
Tell me if you see him.
452
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,130
I saw how much blood Scott
had on himself.
453
00:31:59,130 --> 00:32:00,430
I was worried about him as much
454
00:32:00,430 --> 00:32:03,500
as he was worried
about me, for sure.
455
00:32:03,500 --> 00:32:06,170
I didn't know if he'd make it.
456
00:32:09,940 --> 00:32:13,240
They know there are
houses down at the bottom,
457
00:32:13,250 --> 00:32:15,080
but they have a long way
to go to get there.
458
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,480
It's a narrow road,
459
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,820
there are very tight turns,
460
00:32:18,820 --> 00:32:23,390
and there are really
tall drop-offs along it.
461
00:32:23,390 --> 00:32:24,890
Did he say anything?
462
00:32:24,890 --> 00:32:25,990
Who?
463
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:28,260
Him, Ricky.
464
00:32:28,260 --> 00:32:29,760
No, man.
465
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,160
He didn't seem mad
or nothing, man.
466
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,540
30 miles away,
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00:32:40,540 --> 00:32:42,940
giles county deputies
are investigating
468
00:32:42,940 --> 00:32:46,880
the disappearance
of Randall Lee Smith.
469
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,580
Woman: Hello?
470
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:55,330
Hello, yes, this is,
giles county sheriff's office.
471
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,490
Am I speaking with
Ms. Sanchez?
472
00:32:57,490 --> 00:32:58,690
Yes.
473
00:32:58,690 --> 00:32:59,420
Hello, Ms. Sanchez.
474
00:32:59,430 --> 00:33:02,930
This is a follow-up
call about your neighbor.
475
00:33:02,930 --> 00:33:05,460
Could you tell me
when it was you saw him last?
476
00:33:05,470 --> 00:33:08,570
They have no way of
knowing of the murderous attack
477
00:33:08,570 --> 00:33:12,240
that just happened
up on dismal creek.
478
00:33:13,540 --> 00:33:17,340
I can't do this.
479
00:33:17,340 --> 00:33:20,710
Look. We're almost there.
480
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:24,050
No, we got a long way
to go still, man.
481
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:30,520
I can't even see out
the windshield anymore.
482
00:33:32,490 --> 00:33:33,460
Come on.
483
00:33:33,460 --> 00:33:37,090
I still got one good hand.
484
00:33:37,100 --> 00:33:39,100
I'll steer.
485
00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:42,730
Go on.
486
00:33:42,740 --> 00:33:44,270
Let's go.
487
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:49,270
Come on.
488
00:33:51,810 --> 00:33:56,450
Ms. Miller lives
about as far in a remote area
489
00:33:56,450 --> 00:33:58,320
as you can get.
490
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:03,020
She's just about
the last house on that road.
491
00:34:03,020 --> 00:34:07,430
Melissa Miller
isn't expecting visitors,
492
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:10,560
not after nightfall.
493
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,840
We've been shot!
494
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,000
Ma'am, please!
495
00:34:20,010 --> 00:34:21,910
Help.
496
00:34:23,310 --> 00:34:25,540
Ma'am, please.
497
00:34:32,220 --> 00:34:34,950
For her to open that door
and see two individuals
498
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,930
have been shot,
that is probably something that,
499
00:34:38,930 --> 00:34:40,160
she'll never forget.
500
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,860
At the point when
we stopped at the house,
501
00:34:41,860 --> 00:34:43,930
and that was our savior,
you know, they were,
502
00:34:43,930 --> 00:34:44,860
like, there to help US,
503
00:34:44,870 --> 00:34:48,440
and we were
so grateful for that.
504
00:34:54,610 --> 00:34:58,040
Man: All units, all units to dismal creek road.
505
00:34:58,050 --> 00:35:01,720
Code 30, two victims reporting gunshot wounds.
506
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:04,230
Medevac requested.
507
00:35:04,220 --> 00:35:07,290
Repeat, dismal creek road.
508
00:35:09,890 --> 00:35:11,890
They're on their way,
but it might be a minute.
509
00:35:11,890 --> 00:35:14,490
Y'all just sit tight.
We'll get you taken care of.
510
00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:15,800
Take care of him.
511
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,230
He's lost a lot more blood.
512
00:35:17,230 --> 00:35:20,560
Who did this to y'all?
513
00:35:20,570 --> 00:35:22,230
Some old dude.
514
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:25,500
We met him
up at the creek.
515
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:27,510
Up at dismal creek?
516
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:28,470
Yeah.
517
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:34,660
Said his name was,
Ricky, Williams.
518
00:35:40,450 --> 00:35:41,750
Hey!
Come on.
519
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,330
Hey, Scott!
Come on.
520
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,620
Still with US, brother?
521
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:48,970
Yeah. Yeah.
Said he's named Ricky.
522
00:35:52,770 --> 00:35:55,470
Hold on just a minute.
523
00:36:19,590 --> 00:36:23,190
Sean and Scott end up
at the house of Melissa Miller.
524
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,230
I can only imagine that
they're waiting
525
00:36:25,230 --> 00:36:27,060
for more shots from behind them.
526
00:36:27,070 --> 00:36:29,170
They're waiting for Ricky
to catch up to them.
527
00:36:29,170 --> 00:36:33,900
For all they know, Ricky is
standing right on the porch.
528
00:36:47,020 --> 00:36:50,250
Medic: All right,
we're gonna take care of you.
529
00:36:50,260 --> 00:36:52,460
Let me just see the wound.
530
00:36:52,460 --> 00:36:54,560
Okay, okay, okay.
531
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,430
Sir, stay with me.
There you go.
532
00:36:57,430 --> 00:37:00,460
There you go.
533
00:37:00,470 --> 00:37:01,100
Hey.
534
00:37:01,100 --> 00:37:04,800
This is the flyer
the sheriff was handing out.
535
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:09,710
Randall Lee Smith.
536
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,580
That's him.
537
00:37:15,580 --> 00:37:18,550
That's the guy.
538
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,810
Sean and Scott are able
to identify Ricky from that poster.
539
00:37:41,810 --> 00:37:44,180
I'm Ricky Williams.
540
00:37:44,180 --> 00:37:47,710
Of course, the name on the
poster is not Ricky Williams.
541
00:37:47,710 --> 00:37:51,180
It's Randall Lee Smith.
542
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:52,330
So we have a case here
543
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,820
where a man
goes into the woods
544
00:37:55,820 --> 00:37:59,290
and murders two hikers.
545
00:38:01,100 --> 00:38:05,270
And then, 27 years later,
having served his time in prison
546
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:07,680
and returned to the exact
same community,
547
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:09,200
goes to almost the same spot
548
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:14,570
and assaults two more people
along the edge of the trail.
549
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:22,480
This time,
both victims survive.
550
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:28,650
Sean and Scott are airlifted
to a trauma center just in time.
551
00:38:28,660 --> 00:38:31,430
Thank god
these boys aren't dead,
552
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:35,340
'cause he could've
killed 'em very easily.
553
00:38:35,330 --> 00:38:38,300
Even when he was
at our campsite for hours,
554
00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:41,270
it never crossed my mind
that he was a killer
555
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:44,000
until the first bullet rang out.
556
00:38:45,610 --> 00:38:46,750
Unfortunately, the bad stuff,
557
00:38:46,740 --> 00:38:51,410
the evil guys, they --
they come back, you know?
558
00:38:54,580 --> 00:38:56,450
Man: The shooter is Randall Smith.
559
00:38:56,450 --> 00:38:59,520
Vehicle, a 2000 Ford ranger. Be advised.
560
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,590
Vehicle just 1049ed on sugar run.
561
00:39:02,590 --> 00:39:04,220
After the call went out
562
00:39:04,220 --> 00:39:07,390
that our guys
were on the lookout
563
00:39:07,390 --> 00:39:08,930
for the stolen truck,
564
00:39:08,930 --> 00:39:14,100
a Virginia state trooper
saw the truck on sugar run road.
565
00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:16,370
He got behind the vehicle.
566
00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:19,200
The truck overturned
in a sharp curve
567
00:39:19,210 --> 00:39:23,170
not far from where,
the trooper spotted him.
568
00:39:23,180 --> 00:39:24,740
Trooper is with the vehicle.
569
00:39:24,750 --> 00:39:26,990
Suspect is hurt, needs ems.
570
00:39:26,980 --> 00:39:32,820
Units be advised that suspect is being held at gunpoint.
571
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,840
Lawson:
I never got to talk to him.
572
00:39:45,830 --> 00:39:48,170
The autopsy
on him showed that,
573
00:39:48,170 --> 00:39:49,470
from his injuries
from the wreck
574
00:39:49,470 --> 00:39:51,600
he had developed
a blood clot
575
00:39:51,610 --> 00:39:53,650
and that that clot had
broke loose and went --
576
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,640
went to his --
his heart and killed him,
577
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:57,940
so he died.
578
00:39:57,950 --> 00:39:59,190
He died in jail.
579
00:39:59,180 --> 00:40:02,750
He died in a cell by himself
580
00:40:02,750 --> 00:40:06,680
and finally,
justice got served.
581
00:40:06,690 --> 00:40:10,720
He never did admit
why he did what he,
582
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:13,790
you know, did at the crime
scene there in dismal.
583
00:40:13,790 --> 00:40:17,600
No interviews,
no statements taken
584
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,830
from Randall Smith
on this issue
585
00:40:20,830 --> 00:40:23,870
with him shooting Scott
and Sean.
586
00:40:23,870 --> 00:40:28,410
There was no reasoning,
no outcome from the courts
587
00:40:28,410 --> 00:40:31,940
on the crimes
that he had committed.
588
00:40:43,060 --> 00:40:48,370
I always felt like that
this man was a walking time bomb,
589
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,730
and, you know, it happened.
590
00:40:50,730 --> 00:40:53,260
He -- he went off again.
591
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:55,300
I mean, killing people
didn't matter to him.
592
00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:58,540
He done killed two
and watched 'em die.
593
00:40:58,540 --> 00:41:01,270
So life didn't mean
a whole lot to him.
594
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,420
Given that the two
crimes happened in such a similar,
595
00:41:05,410 --> 00:41:08,050
almost identical area,
maybe we should be
596
00:41:08,050 --> 00:41:10,350
looking at the location
as the main factor here.
597
00:41:10,350 --> 00:41:12,520
It was some attachment
that Smith felt
598
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,220
to this particular spot
in the woods
599
00:41:15,220 --> 00:41:17,920
that made him act
the way he did.
600
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,120
Ours is the magic.
601
00:41:20,130 --> 00:41:20,960
Ours is the power.
602
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,760
Crimes don't happen
in random places.
603
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:23,830
They happen in places
for a reason.
604
00:41:23,830 --> 00:41:29,130
And often, it's the place where
the criminal feels comfortable.
605
00:41:30,670 --> 00:41:32,900
One of the bullets went in
right here by my temple,
606
00:41:32,910 --> 00:41:36,570
and it's lodged in my sinus
on this side of my face.
607
00:41:36,580 --> 00:41:38,610
The other bullet
went in right here,
608
00:41:38,610 --> 00:41:40,140
right dead center in my chest,
609
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:44,780
and it's actually lodged over
on my ribs over here.
610
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:48,030
Scott didn't really have
any long-term effects either.
611
00:41:48,020 --> 00:41:49,220
The bullets missed his spine,
612
00:41:49,220 --> 00:41:51,090
so he didn't have
any problem with that,
613
00:41:51,090 --> 00:41:55,230
and then missed his jugular
by a very little amount.
614
00:41:55,230 --> 00:41:56,990
I believe if he had
a bigger gun,
615
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,560
the circumstances
would be quite different.
616
00:42:00,570 --> 00:42:01,870
Definitely realized,
you know,
617
00:42:01,870 --> 00:42:03,970
tomorrow could be
the last day, you know.
618
00:42:03,970 --> 00:42:06,670
That's definitely
something that I,
619
00:42:06,670 --> 00:42:09,440
you know, Cherish more now.
620
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,510
When I look back on this,
I mean, kind of feel like
621
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:15,810
maybe I was used to take
a bad person off the earth.
622
00:42:16,420 --> 00:42:19,530
And if I had to go through a
little pain to make that happen,
623
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,390
you know, I'm --
I'm on board with that.
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