Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:26,739 --> 00:00:39,829 High bloodssure can happen or worsen with Aimovig. Common side 2 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:54,369 effects include injection site reactions and constipation. Itsn't matter what 3 00:00:55,820 --> 00:01:08,909 each day brings. So long as you can say... ... 4 00:01:10,359 --> 00:01:23,450 I am here. Aim... ...To be there more. Talk to 5 00:01:24,900 --> 00:01:30,730 your doctor about Aimovig. ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? 6 00:01:30,730 --> 00:01:48,599 ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? Lesley Stahl: Tonight, in what has 7 00:01:48,849 --> 00:01:53,299 become an election year tradition for "60 minutes," conversations with 8 00:01:53,159 --> 00:01:56,829 the major party candidates for president and vice president of 9 00:01:56,969 --> 00:02:01,510 the united States. Later, Norah o'donnell interviews former vice president 10 00:02:01,890 --> 00:02:06,329 Joe Biden and his running mate senator kamala Harris, but 11 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,400 we begin with president Donald Trump and vice president Mike 12 00:02:10,710 --> 00:02:14,349 pence. I spoke with the president on Tuesday in the 13 00:02:14,439 --> 00:02:18,000 Roosevelt room at the white house. We had prepared to 14 00:02:18,159 --> 00:02:21,360 talk about the many issues and questions facing the president, 15 00:02:22,379 --> 00:02:26,599 but in what has become an all-too- public dust-up, the 16 00:02:26,729 --> 00:02:33,270 conversation was cut short. It began politely, but ended regrettably, 17 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,930 contentiously. Are you ready for some tough questions? President Donald 18 00:02:38,159 --> 00:02:39,250 Trump: You're gonna be fair. Stahl: Are you G-- President 19 00:02:39,310 --> 00:02:40,349 Trump: Just be- Stahl: I'm gonna be fair. President Trump: 20 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,500 Just be fair. Stahl: But you're okay with me tough 21 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:43,759 questions? President Trump: No, I'm not. I mean-- Stahl: (Laugh) 22 00:02:43,789 --> 00:02:45,879 You're not okay with tough President Trump: I want 'em 23 00:02:46,139 --> 00:02:48,229 to be fair. You-- you don't ask Biden tough questions. 24 00:02:48,550 --> 00:02:52,400 President Trump: Okay. Are you ready-- Stahlready? Everybody ready? So 25 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,960 we have the pandemic. On your watch, we've had racial 26 00:02:56,370 --> 00:03:00,150 strife, we've had looting. Why do you want this job? 27 00:03:00,469 --> 00:03:01,919 Why do you want to be president again? President Trump: 28 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:03,900 Because we've done a great job and it's not finished 29 00:03:04,330 --> 00:03:08,120 yet. And when I finish, this country will be in 30 00:03:08,270 --> 00:03:11,310 a position like it hasn't been maybe ever. The economy 31 00:03:11,740 --> 00:03:15,120 is already roaring back. And other people aren't gonna bring 32 00:03:15,319 --> 00:03:17,539 it back, certainly the person that we're dealing with is 33 00:03:17,699 --> 00:03:20,300 nonna bring it back. They're gonna raise taxes. Stahl: Let 34 00:03:20,189 --> 00:03:23,889 me ask you what you think your-- the biggest domestic 35 00:03:24,780 --> 00:03:27,949 priority is for you right now. President Trump: Well-- Stahl: 36 00:03:28,199 --> 00:03:29,420 Or next year. President Trump: Ultimately, LE-- let me-- and 37 00:03:29,590 --> 00:03:31,819 I-- I'll tell you, it was happening. We created the 38 00:03:31,900 --> 00:03:34,710 greatest economy in the history of our country. And the 39 00:03:34,909 --> 00:03:35,699 other side was-- Stahl: You know that-- you know-- President 40 00:03:35,870 --> 00:03:37,319 Trump: --Coming in- Stahl: --That's not true. President Trump: It 41 00:03:37,500 --> 00:03:40,579 is totally true. Stahl: No. It isn't, but president trump 42 00:03:40,939 --> 00:03:44,750 did have an impressive string of economic accomplishments. President Trump: 43 00:03:45,189 --> 00:03:47,750 We had the best stock market price and we're getting 44 00:03:48,159 --> 00:03:51,150 close to that price again. The unemployment numbers for African 45 00:03:51,670 --> 00:03:56,189 Americans, for Asian Americans, for hispanic Americans. Virtually every number 46 00:03:56,579 --> 00:03:59,370 was the best. And what was happening is things were 47 00:03:59,530 --> 00:04:01,180 coming together- Stahl: W-- I asked you what's the-- priority? 48 00:04:01,490 --> 00:04:03,300 I mean, those are all the good things- President Trump: 49 00:04:03,500 --> 00:04:07,370 President Trump: --Is to get back to normal. Get back 50 00:04:03,599 --> 00:04:07,620 The priority now-- Stahl: --What do you have to solve? 51 00:04:07,620 --> 00:04:11,189 to where we were. To have the economy rage and 52 00:04:11,340 --> 00:04:14,610 be great with jobs and everybody be happy. And that's 53 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,430 where we're going, and that's-- --where we're heading. Stahl: And 54 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:21,189 who is our biggest foreign adversary? President Trump: I would 55 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,139 say China. They're an adversary. They're a-- Stahl: They're the 56 00:04:25,639 --> 00:04:27,699 biggest? President Trump: -- competitor. THA foe in many ways, 57 00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:32,100 but they're an adversary. I think what happened was disgraceful, 58 00:04:32,939 --> 00:04:35,269 should never have happened. Should-- they should never have allowed 59 00:04:36,110 --> 00:04:38,209 this plague to get out of China and go throughout 60 00:04:38,569 --> 00:04:42,689 the world. 188 countries. Should never have happened. Stahl: Four 61 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,279 years ago, you were behind in the polls, as you 62 00:04:45,430 --> 00:04:48,750 are now, and you pulled it but this time, you 63 00:04:48,930 --> 00:04:52,899 have kind of a double migraine. You have unemploymenms going 64 00:04:53,259 --> 00:04:57,439 up. You have covid cases going up. I mean, it's 65 00:04:57,649 --> 00:05:01,000 like the gods have suddenly decided-- decided to conspire against 66 00:05:01,149 --> 00:05:02,170 you-- President Trump: I don't think so at all, no. 67 00:05:02,379 --> 00:05:02,709 I think we've done-- Stahl: Well, what about the-- President 68 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,300 Trump: --A great job with covid. Stahl: Sir, excuse me, 69 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,000 cases are up in about 40 states. President Trump: Okay-- 70 00:05:08,500 --> 00:05:10,209 you know why cases are up also? Because we do 71 00:05:10,350 --> 00:05:12,959 more testing. The fake news media loves to say cases 72 00:05:13,230 --> 00:05:15,870 are up. The fact is, we've done , very good 73 00:05:15,980 --> 00:05:17,279 job-- Stahl: Cases are up. President Trump: We have done-- 74 00:05:18,399 --> 00:05:21,160 that's righcause we're doing so much testing. Stahl: There is 75 00:05:21,420 --> 00:05:25,660 increased testing, but according to the covid tracking project, that 76 00:05:25,889 --> 00:05:28,490 doesn't account for all of the rise in new cases 77 00:05:29,399 --> 00:05:33,990 sweeping the country, or the 40% increase in hospitalizations in 78 00:05:34,899 --> 00:05:37,199 the past month. When you're out there saying we've turned 79 00:05:37,350 --> 00:05:40,909 the corner, this thing is disappearing-- President Trump: That's right. 80 00:05:41,529 --> 00:05:44,259 We have turned-- Stahl: --And people can see-- President Trump: 81 00:05:44,430 --> 00:05:52,300 --The corner. We have turned the corner. Understand the disease. 82 00:05:52,930 --> 00:05:55,569 We understand the elderly, and we are taking care of 83 00:05:55,759 --> 00:05:59,000 them like nobody's ever taken care of so we are 84 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,509 taking care of our people. Stahl: Okay. Let me-- let 85 00:06:01,639 --> 00:06:05,149 me ask you something about suburban women. President Trump: Yeah. 86 00:06:05,509 --> 00:06:09,899 Suburban women will you please like me? Please, please. I 87 00:06:09,949 --> 00:06:15,730 saved your damn neighborho okay? Stahl: You said the other 88 00:06:15,970 --> 00:06:19,149 day to suburban women, "Will you please like me? Please, 89 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:20,709 please-- President Trump: Oh, I didn't say that. You know, 90 00:06:20,819 --> 00:06:23,660 that's so misleading, the way Y-- I say jokingly, "Suburban 91 00:06:24,370 --> 00:06:26,620 women, you should love me because I'm giving you security." 92 00:06:27,459 --> 00:06:30,170 And I got rid of the worst regulation-- see, the 93 00:06:30,259 --> 00:06:32,110 way you said that-- Stahl: Yeah? President Trump: --Is why 94 00:06:32,550 --> 00:06:35,560 people think of you and everyone else as fake news. 95 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:40,370 I said kiddinguburban women, you should love me." I got 96 00:06:40,610 --> 00:06:42,170 rid of a regulation-- Stahl: You said, quote-- President Trump: 97 00:06:42,329 --> 00:06:46,250 --That would bring low-income housing into suburbia that is destroying-- 98 00:06:46,959 --> 00:06:49,590 that would destroy suburbia. And I said that in a 99 00:06:49,649 --> 00:06:51,899 joking way. The way you have it, it's like, "Oh," 100 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,740 like I'm begging. I W-- I'm kidding. Play it, and 101 00:06:55,879 --> 00:06:58,509 I'm kidding. That is such a misleading question, Lesley. Stahl: 102 00:06:59,699 --> 00:07:01,980 But you're behind with suburban women in the polls. President 103 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,740 Trump: I doubt it. I doubt it. I really doubt 104 00:07:05,100 --> 00:07:07,290 it. Stahl: One of the reasons is that they don't 105 00:07:07,569 --> 00:07:11,689 feel you're being upfront about the pandemic. Are you deliberately 106 00:07:12,350 --> 00:07:12,980 downplaying it? President Trump: We're rounding the corner. We're doing 107 00:07:13,269 --> 00:07:16,920 well. We're doing well. We understand the disease. We've done 108 00:07:17,170 --> 00:07:20,120 a good job. We've done maybe a great job. What 109 00:07:20,459 --> 00:07:22,610 we haven't done a good job on is convincing people 110 00:07:22,930 --> 00:07:26,379 like you because you're really quiteimpossible to convince, but that's 111 00:07:26,610 --> 00:07:29,209 okay. And the economy now is coming back and it's 112 00:07:29,379 --> 00:07:33,110 coming back very strongly, anpeople see that, Lesley. Stahl: There 113 00:07:33,310 --> 00:07:37,590 are more unemployment claims-- I mean, the economy has kind 114 00:07:37,860 --> 00:07:40,600 of-- President Trump: Lesley, we just picked up-- Stahl: --Stalled 115 00:07:40,100 --> 00:07:42,930 a little bit. President Trump: --11.4 million jobs. It's the 116 00:07:43,300 --> 00:07:45,810 largest number in the history of our cou Stahl: It 117 00:07:46,399 --> 00:07:48,879 is true that of the 22 million jobs lost since 118 00:07:49,129 --> 00:07:54,909 February, 11.4 million have been restored. Yet unemployment claims are 119 00:07:55,699 --> 00:07:59,230 running atrically high levels. But the president sees the economy 120 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,399 as his strongest suit. President Trump: Gallup did a poll: 121 00:08:03,500 --> 00:08:06,290 56% of the people said that they're better off now, 122 00:08:06,459 --> 00:08:09,980 during a pandemic, than they were during Obama and Biden. 123 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:14,550 56%. It was a record number. Stahl: Can we go 124 00:08:14,709 --> 00:08:19,730 back for one second to the pandemic, because you called 125 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,899 Dr. Fauci and other health officials idiots. President Trump: Where 126 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,250 did I call him an idiot? Stahl: You called them 127 00:08:26,430 --> 00:08:28,279 "Idiots." I wonder if you think-- President Trump, he's been 128 00:08:28,300 --> 00:08:30,350 wrong a lot. I like him, but he's been wrong 129 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,940 a lot. Stahl: I wonder if you think that masks 130 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:39,909 don't work. President Trump: I feel masks possibly work. But 131 00:08:40,110 --> 00:08:42,370 certainly you want to stay away a certain distance, socially 132 00:08:42,820 --> 00:08:45,840 distance, et cetera. But I would say a mask works. 133 00:08:46,539 --> 00:08:48,919 And I have nothing against masks. And I tell people 134 00:08:49,279 --> 00:08:51,379 to wear masks. I have no problem-- Stahl: Well, tell 135 00:08:51,610 --> 00:08:53,460 me then about these rallies you've been having-- President Trump: 136 00:08:53,610 --> 00:08:54,590 A lot ofpeople are wearing masks, and they're-- outside. Stahl: 137 00:08:54,629 --> 00:08:57,120 --With people-- a lot of people-- aren't. I'm-- I'm watching 138 00:08:57,629 --> 00:09:00,590 all these people jammed in together, and I'm seeing most 139 00:09:01,500 --> 00:09:04,730 of them without masks. And I'm wondering the message that 140 00:09:05,110 --> 00:09:07,350 you're sending with these pictures coming across television-- Preside Trump: 141 00:09:07,389 --> 00:09:12,159 Take a look. Yesterday we were in Arizona, record-setting rallies. 142 00:09:12,519 --> 00:09:15,889 Numbers of people like nobody's seen before. Stahl: You used 143 00:09:16,799 --> 00:09:17,669 to have bigger rallies. President Trump: No, these are much 144 00:09:17,899 --> 00:09:18,879 bigger than I ever had. Stahl: Okay, I don't want 145 00:09:19,389 --> 00:09:19,750 to bicker over that. President Trump: You know, you're-- you're-- 146 00:09:19,950 --> 00:09:20,759 Stahl: Tell me about the mask wearing. Sident Trump: --So 147 00:09:21,139 --> 00:09:23,620 negative. You're so negative. These are the biggest rallies we've 148 00:09:23,820 --> 00:09:26,200 ever had. You just come in here with that negative 149 00:09:26,389 --> 00:09:28,659 attitude. These are the biggest rallies we've ever had. Stahl: 150 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:31,610 But I can't believe, after what happened in the rose 151 00:09:31,950 --> 00:09:34,990 garden here, after the announcement, with all the people getting 152 00:09:35,350 --> 00:09:37,710 sick-- President Trump: Yeah. Stahl: --That you're not being more 153 00:09:38,179 --> 00:09:40,789 strongly encouraging about wearing masks-- President Trump: I am. Stahl: 154 00:09:40,809 --> 00:09:41,440 --At your rallies- President Trump: I tell people to wear 155 00:09:41,799 --> 00:09:44,389 masks-- hl: But you don't. President Trump: Lesley, we hand 156 00:09:44,779 --> 00:09:46,299 out thousands of masks at every rally. Stahl: But you 157 00:09:46,399 --> 00:09:49,100 look out and they're not wearing them. You don't get 158 00:09:49,169 --> 00:09:51,710 up there and say, "Look. You know, come on. I 159 00:09:51,860 --> 00:09:52,279 don't want you to--" President Trump: What's your- - what's 160 00:09:52,289 --> 00:09:53,909 your next-- Stahl: --"Get sick." President Trump: --Question, lesley?'re outside. 161 00:09:54,950 --> 00:09:57,740 The rallies are bigger than they've ever been. There's more 162 00:09:57,990 --> 00:10:02,720 enthusiasm than we've ever had. There has never been anything 163 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,620 like what you're witnessing now, and you'll see that soon. 164 00:10:06,299 --> 00:10:12,100 Stahl: Okay, I'll ask you another health question, okay? Told 165 00:10:12,250 --> 00:10:15,129 you. You promised that there was gonna be a new 166 00:10:15,399 --> 00:10:18,000 health package, a health care plan. President Trump: Yeah. Stahl: 167 00:10:19,330 --> 00:10:21,889 You said that it was, "Gonna be great," you said 168 00:10:22,250 --> 00:10:23,769 "It's ready," "It's gonna be ready"-- President Trump: It will 169 00:10:23,779 --> 00:10:25,990 be. Stahl: "It'll be here in two weeks." "It's gonna 170 00:10:26,220 --> 00:10:29,110 be like nothing you've ever seen before." And of course 171 00:10:29,279 --> 00:10:32,629 we haven't seen it. So why didn't you develop a 172 00:10:32,870 --> 00:10:34,710 health plan? President Trump: It is developed, it is fully 173 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,330 developed. It's going to be announced very soon-- Stahl: When? 174 00:10:37,409 --> 00:10:40,289 President Trump: When we seat happens with Obamacare. Stahl: If 175 00:10:40,899 --> 00:10:45,279 the supreme court ends this-- Obamacare-- President Trump: Well, we're 176 00:10:45,379 --> 00:10:47,710 gonna have to see what happens. I think-- I hope 177 00:10:48,899 --> 00:10:50,509 that they end it. It'll be so good if they 178 00:10:50,610 --> 00:10:51,580 end it- - Stahl: And if they end it people 179 00:10:51,919 --> 00:10:54,899 with preexisting conditions will be stranded. And that's just a 180 00:10:54,929 --> 00:10:55,169 fact. President Trump: No, no. It's wrong. Stahl: No-- President 181 00:10:55,190 --> 00:10:58,629 Trump: It's wrong. A new plan will happen. Stahl: But 182 00:10:58,700 --> 00:11:01,379 will-- President Trump: And we W do anything-- will and 183 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,240 is. We won't do anything and no plan unless we 184 00:11:05,509 --> 00:11:09,210 have preexisting conditions covered. Stahl: With little more than a 185 00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:12,690 week till the election, the president has been barnstorming the 186 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,330 swing states where the polls are tight, including Florida, Wisconsin, 187 00:11:18,620 --> 00:11:24,750 Pennsylvania and here in Michigan. Can you characterize your supporters? 188 00:11:25,179 --> 00:11:27,629 President Trump: Yeah, I think I can. People that love 189 00:11:27,789 --> 00:11:30,490 our country. More than anything else and they like to 190 00:11:30,610 --> 00:11:34,220 see our country thrive. Stahl: But do you think that 191 00:11:34,799 --> 00:11:37,700 when you hold rallies and encourage people to say, "Lock 192 00:11:38,100 --> 00:11:39,600 her up," the way you--- President Trump: I don't encourage 193 00:11:40,700 --> 00:11:42,730 them. They say it. Stahl: And you enjoy it-- you 194 00:11:42,929 --> 00:11:43,840 don't say, "Don't do that--" President Trump: Hillary Clinton, let-- 195 00:11:43,850 --> 00:11:46,710 let me just tell you-- Hillary Clinton deleted, she deleted 196 00:11:47,220 --> 00:11:50,669 33,000 emails after she got a subpoena from the United 197 00:11:51,100 --> 00:11:53,340 States congress. Stahl: But why is this still an issue? 198 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:54,399 Why do people, they're not gonna vote on that-- President 199 00:11:54,179 --> 00:11:56,200 Trump: I think it's an issue. To me it's an 200 00:11:56,340 --> 00:11:58,259 issue. Stahl: She ran last time. President Trump: Excuse me. 201 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,679 When they say "Lock her up," it's not me. They 202 00:12:00,940 --> 00:12:02,299 say it. It starts, it-- it ends up being-- Stahl: 203 00:12:02,220 --> 00:12:03,720 You encourage it. President Trump: I don't encourage it. Stahl: 204 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:05,919 Yes, you do. President Trump: No if I mention her 205 00:12:06,799 --> 00:12:09,590 name about something, they go crazy. Stahl: Well, what about 206 00:12:09,769 --> 00:12:13,500 the governor of Michigan? Governor Gretchen Whitmer was the target 207 00:12:13,629 --> 00:12:16,759 of a kidnapping plot by an armed militia group. President 208 00:12:17,700 --> 00:12:20,970 Trump: It was our justice department that is the one 209 00:12:21,250 --> 00:12:24,340 that's helping her. My justice department, if you call it 210 00:12:24,419 --> 00:12:25,299 that-- Stahl: Yes, yes the F.B.I. President Trump: It was 211 00:12:25,220 --> 00:12:29,590 our justice department that's helping her. And, you knople aren't 212 00:12:29,809 --> 00:12:32,460 so, they're not liking her so much, 'cause she's got 213 00:12:32,659 --> 00:12:35,659 everybody locked down. You've gotta get your governor to open 214 00:12:36,100 --> 00:12:44,899 up your state, okay. Crowd: Lock her up!er up! Lock 215 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:49,370 her up! President Trump: Lock 'iem all up! Stahl: You 216 00:12:49,610 --> 00:12:54,960 are very powerful, and the people who love you, love 217 00:12:55,279 --> 00:12:59,799 you with passion. And if you go after somebody the 218 00:12:59,179 --> 00:13:01,210 way you've been going after her, they take it to 219 00:13:01,399 --> 00:13:03,370 heart-- President Trump: I haven't gone after her.hl: --And they, 220 00:13:03,750 --> 00:13:06,879 then there are plots and threats, and the same with 221 00:13:06,950 --> 00:13:08,799 Dr.-- President Trump: I haven't gone after her. Stahl: You 222 00:13:08,159 --> 00:13:09,990 did. Presi Trump: I've helped her. It was our justice 223 00:13:10,799 --> 00:13:12,259 department-- Stahl: D go after-- you-- you criticized her-- President 224 00:13:12,340 --> 00:13:13,700 Trump: --That's helping her. Oh, I do criticize her, yeah. 225 00:13:14,409 --> 00:13:15,480 Stahl: Well, that's going after her-- President Trump: I think 226 00:13:15,500 --> 00:13:17,360 the way she locked down Michigan is a disgrace. Stahl: 227 00:13:17,500 --> 00:13:19,139 But when you-- President Trump: The way she closed churches 228 00:13:19,740 --> 00:13:22,480 in Michigan is a disgrace. I-- yeah, I think it's 229 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,779 disgraceful what she's done. I do. Stahl: You want to 230 00:13:25,809 --> 00:13:26,710 lock her up? President Trump: And, by the way, that's 231 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:28,690 other-- of course, I don't want to lock her up. 232 00:13:29,230 --> 00:13:30,360 Why would I lock her up? Stahl: Because you were 233 00:13:30,919 --> 00:13:33,299 in front of a rally of people saying it, encouraging 234 00:13:33,669 --> 00:13:35,639 it. President Trump: Lesley, it's such a vicious tou just 235 00:13:35,750 --> 00:13:38,419 said. I never said, "Lock up the governor of Michigan." 236 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:40,840 I would never say that. Stahl: Do you take any 237 00:13:41,399 --> 00:13:45,600 responsibility for the country being divided against itself? Do you 238 00:13:45,700 --> 00:13:48,889 feel that? President Trump: I'd like not to, but, you 239 00:13:49,700 --> 00:13:52,379 know, perhaps everybody has to take a little responsibility for 240 00:13:52,539 --> 00:13:56,500 it. But when people put out phony witch hunts, you 241 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,529 know, when they spy on your campaign, you have to 242 00:13:58,629 --> 00:14:00,830 fight back. And if you don't fight back, you're not 243 00:14:01,500 --> 00:14:04,149 sitting here very long. You go back home. You go 244 00:14:04,299 --> 00:14:08,919 back home to mommy. Stahl: The president's accusations against the 245 00:14:09,139 --> 00:14:13,529 Biden family, the abrupt end of our conversation and vice 246 00:14:13,870 --> 00:14:17,629 president Mike pence's assessment of what end, when we return. 247 00:14:17,919 --> 00:14:18,129 ( Ticking) 'S so much space. We have a guestroom 248 00:14:18,159 --> 00:14:18,389 now. But, we have a. You're slouching again, Ted. 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President Trump: 289 00:14:55,450 --> 00:14:57,330 I wish you would interview Joe Biden like you interview 290 00:14:57,740 --> 00:15:00,159 me. It would be so good. You know what? Stahl: 291 00:15:00,490 --> 00:15:01,960 You like this, I thought- President Trump: The, the-- Stahl: 292 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:02,450 I thought you liked sparring-- President Trump: I don't mind 293 00:15:02,559 --> 00:15:04,230 it. I don't mind it. But when I watch him 294 00:15:04,899 --> 00:15:07,429 walk out of a store, and he's walking with an 295 00:15:07,929 --> 00:15:10,789 ice cream. And the question the media asks him, "What 296 00:15:11,190 --> 00:15:12,940 kind of ice cream? What flavor ice cream do you 297 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:14,929 have?" And he's in the midst of a scandal. Stahl: 298 00:15:14,940 --> 00:15:15,600 He's not. President Trump: And he'stataking Stahl: He's not, no-- 299 00:15:15,409 --> 00:15:18,200 resident Trump: Of course he is, Lesley. Stahl: Come on. 300 00:15:18,169 --> 00:15:21,639 President Trump: Of course he is. It's the biggest -- 301 00:15:21,639 --> 00:15:25,399 second- biggest scandal. The biggest scandal was when they spied 302 00:15:25,490 --> 00:15:27,419 on my campaign. They spied on my campaign, Lesley. Stahl: 303 00:15:27,590 --> 00:15:29,440 Well, there's no-- real evidence of that. President Trump: Of 304 00:15:29,879 --> 00:15:31,000 course there is. It's all over-- Stahl: No-- President Trump: 305 00:15:31,100 --> 00:15:33,500 --The place. Lesley, they-- Stahl: Sir-- President Trump: --Spied on 306 00:15:33,620 --> 00:15:34,419 my campaign and they got caught- - Stahl: Can I-- 307 00:15:34,429 --> 00:15:37,559 can I say something? You know, this is "60 minutes." 308 00:15:38,950 --> 00:15:41,210 And we can't put on things we can't verify-- President 309 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:42,669 Trump: No, you won't put it on because it's bad 310 00:15:42,779 --> 00:15:43,399 for Biden. Look, let me tell you-- Stahl: We can't 311 00:15:44,299 --> 00:15:45,169 put on things we can't verify-- President Trump: Lesley, they 312 00:15:45,230 --> 00:15:46,940 spied -- Stahl: And-- President Trump: --On my campaign. Stahl: 313 00:15:47,250 --> 00:15:48,389 Well, we can't verify that-- President Trump: It's been totally 314 00:15:48,740 --> 00:15:50,980 verified. Stahl: No. President Trump: It's been-- just go down 315 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,190 and get the papers. They spied on my campaign, they 316 00:15:54,309 --> 00:15:56,000 got caught. Stahl: No. President Trump: And then they went 317 00:15:56,230 --> 00:15:58,879 much further than that and they got caught. And you 318 00:15:59,299 --> 00:16:01,220 will see that, Lesley. And you know that. But you 319 00:16:01,340 --> 00:16:01,860 just don't want to put it on the air-- Stahl: 320 00:16:02,529 --> 00:16:04,509 No-- as a matter of fact, I don't know that. 321 00:16:04,700 --> 00:16:05,659 President Trump: Okay. Stahl: And you're out there-- President Trump: 322 00:16:05,690 --> 00:16:07,379 So why don't you get back to your interview, and 323 00:16:07,649 --> 00:16:12,669 let's go. Stahl: Do you think that your tweets and 324 00:16:12,919 --> 00:16:16,320 your name-calling are turning people off? President Trump: No, I 325 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,360 think I wouldn't be here if I didn't haial media. 326 00:16:18,529 --> 00:16:21,990 But the media is fake. And frankly, if I didn't 327 00:16:22,330 --> 00:16:24,889 have social media, I'd have no way of getting out 328 00:16:24,940 --> 00:16:26,909 my voice. Stahl: Do you know what you told me 329 00:16:27,299 --> 00:16:29,450 a long time ago when I asked why you keep 330 00:16:29,669 --> 00:16:32,240 saying "Fake media?" President Trump: Yeah? Yeah? Stahl: You said 331 00:16:32,519 --> 00:16:36,190 to me, "I say that because I need to discredit 332 00:16:37,779 --> 00:16:39,970 so that when you say negahings about me, no one 333 00:16:40,139 --> 00:16:41,200 will believe you"-- President Trump: I don't have to discredit 334 00:16:41,610 --> 00:16:42,740 you. Stahl: But that's what you told me-- President Trump: 335 00:16:42,769 --> 00:16:46,830 You've discredited yourself. Stahl: You know, I didn't want to 336 00:16:47,399 --> 00:16:48,169 have this kind of angry- - President Trump: Of course 337 00:16:48,259 --> 00:16:49,769 you did. Stahl: No, I didn't- President Trump: Of course 338 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:50,830 you did-- Stahl: --No, I didn't. President trump:well, then you 339 00:16:50,970 --> 00:16:52,139 brought up a lot of subjects that were inappropriately brought 340 00:16:52,190 --> 00:16:54,110 up-- Stahl: Well, I said, I'm gonna ask you tough 341 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,179 questions. But-- President Trump: They were inappropriately brought up. Right 342 00:16:57,399 --> 00:16:59,799 from the beginning. No, your first question was, "This is 343 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,659 going to be tough questions." You don't ask Joe Biden, 344 00:17:03,679 --> 00:17:05,259 I saw your interview with Joe, the interview with Joe 345 00:17:05,279 --> 00:17:06,640 Biden. Stahl: I never did a Joe Biden interview- President: 346 00:17:07,299 --> 00:17:11,269 It was ake. The interview, "60 minutes." I see Joe 347 00:17:11,490 --> 00:17:15,539 Biden, givinball after softball. I've seen all of his interviews. 348 00:17:16,670 --> 00:17:18,640 He's never been asked a question that's hard. Stahl: Okay, 349 00:17:18,890 --> 00:17:20,000 but forget him for a minute. You're president-- Presirump: No, 350 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,299 but you start with me. Stahl: You're president, and- President 351 00:17:22,349 --> 00:17:25,900 Trump: Excuse me, Lesley, you started with me. Your first 352 00:17:25,349 --> 00:17:28,609 statement was, "Are you ready for tough questions?" Stahl: Are 353 00:17:28,690 --> 00:17:29,359 you? President Trump: That's no way to talk. That's no 354 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:34,440 way to talk. Y, one, one second. Stahl: At this 355 00:17:34,650 --> 00:17:38,519 point, one of our producers interrupted to advise about the 356 00:17:38,759 --> 00:17:41,710 time remaining in the interview. President Trump: I think we 357 00:17:41,859 --> 00:17:44,279 have enough of an interview here, hope. Okay? That's enough. 358 00:17:46,369 --> 00:17:49,829 Let's go. LE. Let's go meet for two seconds, okay? 359 00:17:50,660 --> 00:17:55,640 Thanks. I'll see you in a little while. Thanks. Stahl 360 00:17:58,569 --> 00:18:00,529 we were scheduled to take a walk with the president 361 00:18:01,369 --> 00:18:04,299 around the white house grounds. I've got a lot of 362 00:18:04,519 --> 00:18:08,369 questions I didn't ask. While Ted to see I president 363 00:18:08,740 --> 00:18:13,099 was coming back, his press secretary, Kayleigh Mcenany, came in 364 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,109 with a hand delivery. Kayleigh Mcenany: Lesley, the president wanted 365 00:18:16,319 --> 00:18:17,890 me to deliver his health care plan, it's a heavy. 366 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,930 Stahl: Oh my god. This is his health care plan? 367 00:18:21,599 --> 00:18:23,859 Mcenany: Yes. Stahl: Okay. Kayleigh, thank you. Mcenanay: You're welcome 368 00:18:24,180 --> 00:18:26,700 and the president will be with you shortly. Stahl: Okay. 369 00:18:26,819 --> 00:18:28,349 And the president's not coming back? My: The president's given 370 00:18:29,150 --> 00:18:32,190 you a lot of time. Stahl: It was heavy. Filled 371 00:18:32,549 --> 00:18:37,930 with executive orders, congressional initiatives, but no comprehensive health plan. 372 00:18:38,500 --> 00:18:42,230 Vice President Mike Pence: Hello, Lesley. : Hi, Mr. Vice 373 00:18:42,559 --> 00:18:45,440 president. While our interview with the president did not go 374 00:18:45,650 --> 00:18:49,130 forward, the one scheduled with the vice president did. Stahl: 375 00:18:49,740 --> 00:18:52,829 So what just happened with the president? Vice President Pence: 376 00:18:54,390 --> 00:18:57,680 Lesley, president trump is a man who speaks his mind. 377 00:18:58,980 --> 00:19:00,990 I thin's one of the great strengths that he's had-- 378 00:19:01,150 --> 00:19:02,410 Stahl: But he walked out- Vice President Pence: --As president 379 00:19:02,660 --> 00:19:04,819 of the United States, is that the American people always 380 00:19:05,130 --> 00:19:06,440 know where they stand. Stahl: I'll buy that- Vice President 381 00:19:06,619 --> 00:19:08,940 Pence: And he's always ready. And the American people know 382 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,460 that-- in this time, it's, it's- - it's less about 383 00:19:12,670 --> 00:19:15,980 the back and forth with the media, and it's-- it's 384 00:19:16,130 --> 00:19:18,900 really more about how we bring this country all the 385 00:19:18,210 --> 00:19:20,990 way back. Stahl: We then asked the vice president to 386 00:19:21,099 --> 00:19:23,470 put on his hat as the head of the white 387 00:19:23,789 --> 00:19:28,920 house coronavirus task force. Dr. Fauci. You know the president 388 00:19:29,509 --> 00:19:33,390 said that he's a disaster, and he and the- - 389 00:19:33,390 --> 00:19:38,900 other public health officials around him are idiots. Do you 390 00:19:39,599 --> 00:19:42,190 care to comment on that? Vice President Pence: The scientists 391 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,490 who've worked around the white house coronavirus task force, who 392 00:19:45,670 --> 00:19:48,869 will meet again today here at the white house-- have 393 00:19:49,799 --> 00:19:50,799 provided a great public service. They've-- Stahl: So not idiots-- 394 00:19:50,859 --> 00:19:53,710 Vice President Pence: -- brought the perspective of scientists all 395 00:19:53,990 --> 00:19:56,599 along the way. And I have-- I have a relationship 396 00:19:57,250 --> 00:20:00,990 with Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx but remember, the president 397 00:20:01,299 --> 00:20:03,940 of the United States has to consider the whole of 398 00:20:04,289 --> 00:20:08,000 America. The press been balancing the broad interests of the 399 00:20:08,900 --> 00:20:11,180 country and the health of the American people, and we'll 400 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,539 continue to do that every day. Stahl: So let's say 401 00:20:14,740 --> 00:20:17,769 there's a mother out there. Let's say in a hot 402 00:20:18,299 --> 00:20:21,930 spot in Wisconsin. And she's wondering whether she should send 403 00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:25,640 her children to school. Now, what's your advice? Vice President 404 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,700 Pence: Lesley, we got to get our kids back in 405 00:20:27,799 --> 00:20:30,400 school. And I would say to that mother, or any 406 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,579 mother, that we're gonna continue to work our hearts out 407 00:20:33,349 --> 00:20:37,500 to make sure that those schools have the testing, have 408 00:20:37,279 --> 00:20:40,380 the P.P.E., have the supplies they need to get our 409 00:20:40,490 --> 00:20:42,839 kids back where they belong, safe and sound, in the 410 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,980 classroom. Stahl: So are you saying she should send the 411 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,539 kids back? Should the kids wear masks? Vice President Pence: 412 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,890 I think they should adhere to whatever criteria the school 413 00:20:52,349 --> 00:20:56,299 administrators and local health officials determine to be appropriate. But 414 00:20:56,529 --> 00:20:58,900 really, again, I want to say, the American academy of 415 00:20:58,970 --> 00:21:04,210 pediatricians made it clear early on that distance learning, this 416 00:21:04,490 --> 00:21:07,230 online learning, is no substitute for being in the classroom. 417 00:21:07,509 --> 00:21:12,279 Stahl: What about Thanksgiving? Should people feel safe to get 418 00:21:12,509 --> 00:21:16,740 together with their family? With their grandparents? With their aunts 419 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,759 and uncles? Vice President Pence: Thanksgiving is one of my 420 00:21:20,930 --> 00:21:23,400 favorite holidays. Stahl: Me too. Vice President Pence: And-- and 421 00:21:23,539 --> 00:21:26,000 I'm looking forward to it with our family. 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And I feel superstitious when 477 00:23:19,549 --> 00:23:22,150 I predict anything other than gonna be a hard fight. 478 00:23:22,890 --> 00:23:24,200 We feel good about where we are. But, you know, 479 00:23:24,460 --> 00:23:28,920 I-- I don't underestimate how he plays. O'donnell: What do 480 00:23:28,990 --> 00:23:32,240 you mean, you don't underestimate how he plays? Joe Biden: 481 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,549 Well, you know, there's an awful lot of talk out 482 00:23:34,730 --> 00:23:39,690 there bat-- trying to sort of delegitimize the election, all 483 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,779 I think designed to make people wonder whether or not 484 00:23:43,799 --> 00:23:46,259 they should, whether it's worth going to vote. Just the 485 00:23:46,390 --> 00:23:50,400 intimidation factor. But what really has pleased me is the 486 00:23:50,329 --> 00:23:53,690 overwhelming turnout in the states that have early voting. 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