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This was a moment 30 years
in the making.
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For Liverpool, the wait..
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...is over!
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Champions of England again!
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Liverpool had been relentless
in their quest to return to the top
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of the English game.
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Firmino. Brilliant!
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Salah. That is simply awesome!
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And masterminding their return —
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a brilliant manager
in a mould all of his own.
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I'm the normal one,
maybe if you want this.
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I couldn't be more proud
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on the way we did it.
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Being so patient for 30 years.
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Roberto Firmino!
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Mane!
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The style of footballjurgen Klopp
has implemented
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has been breathtaking.
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Salah charges towards him...
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...and scores!
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I always said from the first
interview, I want to win
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the Premier League with this club.
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They were saying crazy
but, yeah, we did it.
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For three long decades,
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Liverpool fans have watched on
in agony as others
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took their perch and revelled in it.
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And despite winning ten cups
in that time, it was always
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the league that mattered most.
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Even when you win the Champions
League there were people
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that told us winning the league
would have meant more.
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You don't find a club where
you will hear that, actually,
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apart from Liverpool.
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It mattered because, alongside
the highs of the '70s and '80s,
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there were also tragedies,
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dark days, which created a unique
bond between the club and its fans.
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The people have got special
strength about them
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to overcome the bad events.
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The passion that you saw on
the field is a direct result
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of who our supporters are.
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I think the personality of this team
is a never—say—die attitude,
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who are willing to fight for each
other right until the very end.
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This is the story of
Liverpool's long road back
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to the summit of English football...
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You ask there and I look there.
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...told by the people who helped
shape the club we see today.
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OK, ready?
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It's ready.
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SNAP!
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CHEERING AND CHANTING
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REPORTER: Liverpool
are the champions
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and the gladiators applaud the
crowd.
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I'm not going to tell you why
they're going to win,
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because they're going to win
because they're the greatest.
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Champions! Champions!
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I don't think Liverpool
would be where we are today,
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except for Bill Shankly.
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As soon as he opens his mouth,
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it's pure heaven.
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Well, I think that if a manager
is honest,
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he can't go into the field
with the players.
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He can convey it to the players.
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He's with them and they're with him,
and they'll be successful.
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There was something about this guy
that clicked with Liverpool.
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And the cup belongs to Liverpool!
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Shankly created a famous boot room
culture which not only brought
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success, but also
a template for succession.
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It's the people that make it,
really, there's no magic.
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No, there's no magic.
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When Shanks retired,
Bob Paisley took over.
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Bob was a bit of a mumbler.
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He's a bit hard to understand,
I would think, in team meetings
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and the like, isn't he? Pardon?
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He's a bit hard...
LAUGHTER
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The Kop's spilling
onto the pitch to celebrate
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the victory and the championship.
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Have you any more ambitions
left in this game?
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Yeah. Win it next year.
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The teams of the '70s and the '80s
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were absolutely phenomenal.
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They were like a machine.
They were winning everything.
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Liverpool have retained the
Football League championship.
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42 league games,
that's what it's all about.
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Cup competitions — one-off things,
really, aren't they?
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But win the league,
that's what football's all about.
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Liverpool are European champions!
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KLOPP: You can mention the word
Europeanite, and I think
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90% of football supporters in
the world would think Liverpool.
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REPORTER: It's business
as usual for Liverpool,
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the most successful club
in the history of British football.
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Joe Fagan had the drop.
Your first year in charge,
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and two trophies on the shelf
already.
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Incredible.
I don't know how it's happened.
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Don't ask me.
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The sheer scale of Liverpool's
dominance dwarfed anything
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that had been seen previously
in England.
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Liverpool were the powerhouse
of English football, winning 11
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league titles in 18 years, as well
as conquering Europe four times.
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# Welcome to the Pleasuredome! #
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It was in pursuit of a fifth
European Cup that Liverpool endured
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one of its darkest days.
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For the last 50 minutes,
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the Heysel Stadium in Brussels,
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the capital of Belgium,
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has been a sickening
and bewildering sight.
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We go on the pitch and they're
throwing missiles at us,
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the Juventus supporters.
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So I picked one up, and I remember
saying to Alan Kennedy,
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"Nobody brings that
into the stadium."
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And he says, "That is the stadium."
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REPORTER: Some Liverpool supporters
moved into the Juventus area.
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You can see the Juventus supporters
trying to get over the wall
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to our right and down towards
the running track.
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And it was the pressure of movement
down towards the running track
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which resulted in the wall
giving way.
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The first thing that needs
to be said is that Liverpool fans
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need to accept the blame for a lot
of what happened that day.
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There were many reasons for Heysel —
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the stadium was shambles,
the police were completely inept.
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I was watching it on
the television and thinking...
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...this can't be happening.
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And the terrible feeling of...
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...responsibility.
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REPORTER: And Liverpool's run of
success in European Cup finals
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comes to an end.
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But this is not a night
when football will be remembered.
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There were no guidelines
on how to recover
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from such a disaster.
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This was football's latest hooligan
incident and it led to all English
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clubs being banned from Europe.
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It was a sad end for retiring
manager joe Fagan.
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The club needed a lift, so Fagan's
successor wasn't from the boot room,
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as was tradition,
but the dressing room.
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It was Liverpool's star player...
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...Kenny Dalglish.
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MUSIC: Sledgehammer by Peter Gabriel
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COMMENTATOR: He is through!
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Kenny Dalglish!
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That is absolutely
outstanding finishing!
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Kenny came in and, all of a sudden,
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we started to do a little bit
about team shape.
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We did a little bit about
with the ball, without the ball.
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Kenny, by that time,
was, as he is now,
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forever part of the fabric
of this place.
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And he knew what people wanted.
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He knew what the people
expected of the players.
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And he just changed it because
that's what he believed in.
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But it wasn't a massive change.
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In many ways, it was a good change
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because it kind of changed
with the times.
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In his first season
as player-manager,
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Kenny led Liverpool to the double,
even scoring the goal
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that sealed the title.
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And Dalglish is in here!
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Yes!
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The player-manager scores the goal
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that may edge Liverpool nearer
to their 16th championship!
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# Feel the heat... #
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I'd been at Watford for six years.
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Lovely skill.
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What a magnificent goal!
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I was playing for England.
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I was doing well. But Graham Taylor
said to me, at a very young age,
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I'll tell you when it's time to go
and I'll tell you
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where you should be going.
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So when Liverpool came in, he said
to me, "Liverpool have come in,
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"that's the club for you.
You're going to Liverpool."
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# Get funky now... #
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It's been made very easy for myself,
Peter Beardsley, Ray Houghton.
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Any of the new players who have come
in, it's just been made easy for us.
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MUSIC: Enola Gay by ELO
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john Barnes joined Peter Beardsley
and john Aldridge in Liverpool's
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new front line
for the '87-'88 season.
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They played scintillating football.
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Oh, look at Barnes here!
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They're waiting for
the full-back, Beardsley!
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0h!
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Aldridge is there! Aldridge!
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I mean, the wonder
of watching John Barnes.
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He was just extraordinary.
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Oh, Barnes has won it.
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He won it from Brock.
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He's got Beardsley going to his
left, it's still Barnes!
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That's a fabulous indefensible goal!
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The biggest figure in the culture
of the city was John Barnes,
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a proud black man from Jamaica.
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It broke down a load of barriers.
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Those few years were just amazing.
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Yeah, we were very spoilt.
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Liverpool cruised to the title,
winning it by nine points.
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Both on and off the pitch,
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the team were really on-song.
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# Liverpool FC is as hard as hell
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# United, Tottenham, Arsenal
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# Watched my lips
and I will spell
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# Cos they don't just play
but they can rap as well! #
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Every time there was a cup final,
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there was a song, and we wanted
to do something different,
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so we used it as an excuse
to go to a nightclub
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called Quadrant Park
dressed up as rappers.
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Is this the real john Barnes we're
seeing? This is the real
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John Barnes. I was a bit
conservative when I first came
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to Liverpool but this is me now.
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So we're there from 12 o'clock.
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And by the time we're just about
finishing it, it was opening
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to the public because it's a rave
club. So because we're dressed
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like that, we said we might as well
stay and enjoy ourselves.
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So we stayed and, you know, some
people went home, some people
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stayed at the club. And, of course,
with all the alcohol there,
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we enjoyed ourselves thoroughly.
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Even Kenny was on the video.
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He just went, "Oh, as if,"
and the song wasn't great.
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It stunk. And that's all you could
get Kenny to do.
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We wanted Kenny to be involved.
But Kenny was going,
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"No, I'm not going there."
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I think they should stick to
playing football. Terrible!
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What do you think, Kenny?
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Oh, yeah!
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Liverpool had wrapped up
the title and rapped their way
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to chart success.
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Now they just needed an FA Cup
to create a unique treble.
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Sanchez was in there!
And that's a goal for Wimbledon!
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The Crazy Gang have beaten
the Culture Club!
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As giant killings go, this was a big
one, but the following season,
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Liverpool did what they always did —
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dusted themselves down
and started again.
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It was the season no-one
will ever forget.
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One that changed Liverpool —
both club and city — forever.
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In the history of Liverpool...
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...Hillsborough...
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...is unfortunately
an important date.
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That day, 96 people die.
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People from Liverpool suffered,
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they were hurt.
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It's difficult to explain to people.
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You go out and you go to a football
match and it's supposed to be...
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It's supposed to be fun.
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The first inclination I got
was two guys come on the pitch
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and I go to them.
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I say, "You'll get us
in trouble here,"
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and the guy looked at me,
and he says...
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You could tell the sadness
in his eyes —
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he wasn't making it up. He says,
"Al, there's people dying in there."
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And there are fans on the pitch
here in the six-yard area.
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The referee's going to
have to stop the game.
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There's an overflow behind the goal.
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And the police inspector's
on the pitch.
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The only time I was aware
there was a problem,
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I've seen people pushed up
against the fence and they looked
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so uncomfortable and I was,
like, that doesn't look right.
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Memories, of, you know, trying to
pull people up to the other layer,
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and fans putting bodies
onto hoardings
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and running across
the pitch with them.
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Just.“
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...transfixed, really,
by the horror of it all.
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It's been a black day for football
on a sunny afternoon
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at Hillsborough, Sheffield.
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No fewer than 93 football
supporters died.
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On a day of such momentous tragedy,
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our sympathies go to the families
of those concerned.
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My son, who died at Hillsborough,
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he was a keen Liverpool supporter.
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It's the worst kind of grief
that anyone can go through,
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is to lose a child.
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We all thought about,
what's the point?
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What's the point of going
to a football match if things
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like that are going to happen?
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A lot of us thought about possibly
packing up, doing something else.
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I think it had an enormous effect
on the club and on individuals —
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particularly on Kenny, I think.
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Kenny's face was...
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I can always see it, just the grief
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in his face. And he's carried
that responsibility.
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I think he went to every funeral.
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He had to be like a social worker.
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He wasn't trained for that.
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For Kenny, personally,
we owe a great debt...
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...because he was so comforting
to all the families.
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It was quite a scary moment when you
know that these people whose loved
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ones had gone to a football match
and are now dead — and this is,
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I don't know, two weeks later,
probably not even that,
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where they're going to come.
Cos if that was me,
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I wouldn't want to go
to a football stadium.
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I thought... I still get
emotional thinking of it.
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I thought it wasn't my place
to meet Kenny.
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It was my son's place
to have met Kenny.
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It wasn't my...my place.
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I didn't go to the football.
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James did.
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And I just felt very guilty.
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I just wanted my son
to have met Kenny.
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And so many of them were coming
into the players' lounge
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and they were going,
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"| can't believe that I'm here with
Kenny Dalglish and John Barnes,"
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and, whoever they lost, "If they
could see me now in the lounge
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"with my heroes,
they would just be loving it."
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And that showed how much
their club means to them.
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That really made a huge impression
on my understanding,
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which I already had after a year,
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of the relationship between
the club and the fans.
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I often wonder,
what support did THEY get?
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They were giving it to us,
but what support did THEY get?
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I went to the cup final just shortly
afterwards and it seemed so right
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that we were playing Everton.
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COMMENTATOR: Obviously it is a cup
final, but no doubt the players,
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too, are keenly aware of
the circumstances of this
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particular match, which they're
now walking out to play.
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It was fitting that it was
a Merseyside cup final,
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because, don't forget, Evertonians
would have lost brothers and cousins
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and loved ones in that, as well.
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What was great about it is it was
a coming together of the city.
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It was a very, very emotional day.
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PA: In memory of the victims
of the Hillsborough disaster...
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There was a minute's
silence before the game
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and I couldn't handle it.
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I went downstairs and basically
stood in the toilets.
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I'd rather do my crying
there than upstairs.
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McMahon. Barnes.
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Rush!
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Goa“.
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3-2, Liverpool.
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Ian Rush gets his second.
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And this now becomes one of the most
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dramatic FA Cup finals
of recent times.
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So much emotion, joy and sorrow.
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I mean, just...an extraordinary day.
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And Liverpool have won the FA Cup,
the first leg of the double
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and perhaps softened the pain that
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so many of their supports have been
through recently.
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And in a fine, dramatic final,
surely lifted the spirits
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of a whole city...
and of the game of football.
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I always believed that that should
have been the year
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that the FA Cup wasn't played for.
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I thought it'd be nice
as a legacy for the 96,
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but now I think back
and reflect on it all,
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yeah, it was good for
the fans, maybe.
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Good for the city.
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Just six days after having won
the cup, Liverpool played Arsenal
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at Anfield,
hoping to win the double.
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All they needed to do was avoid
losing by more than one goal.
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And Thomas goes inside Nicol!
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And Thomas is there!
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And Thomas has scored for Arsenal!
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And Arsenal have won the
Championship here at Anfield.
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On the Kop that night, when it went
in, there was shock and then
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someone — a voice further back —
just said,
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"You know what?
Worse things happen."
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It was one of those strange things.
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It was a moment that
broke the misery,
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broke the depth of misery.
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CROWD: # ..with hope in your heart
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# And you'll never walk alone... #
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It had been the most turbulent of
seasons, but the supporters now
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had a bigger battle to deal with —
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the truth of what happened at
Hillsborough had yet to be told.
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It was a fight that
would last decades.
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It's not unusual
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in the history of Liverpool
for its people to become
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folk devils, for the media to
exaggerate and, frankly,
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lie about their behaviour.
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Well, we all know it was a...
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SHE CLEARS HER THROAT
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There's a certain newspaper
that we'll never forgive
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and to have them headlines that
your fans urinated on the dead,
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robbed the dead, kicked the police
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when they were trying to give CPR.
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People believed this,
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and...this has
haunted us ever since.
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And for the families of
the dead, for the survivors,
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for the witnesses,
it's been an extra layer of...
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HE EXHALES
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...misery.
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And that really, really got to me,
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and I thought... At that time,
straight away, I thought,
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"We've got a fight on our hands."
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Both club and supporters
were united in this fight.
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The players knew that creating
memories on the pitch might help.
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The next season, they regrouped and
challenged for the title again.
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And that could mean that the
championship goes to Anfield
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for the 18th time.
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Well, there are scenes of
delight all around Anfield.
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The Kop alive with passion
and emotion.
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I remember the presentation
ceremony in 1990 and looking
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down at Alan Hansen, who was
struggling to get comfy.
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He couldn't stand or kneel
for the photographs.
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In the end, he went and got behind
somebody and leaned on him.
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His knees had gone.
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I knew that was literally
the end of an era
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in more ways than one.
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They were mentally worn down.
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And I think that sense
of not coming to terms
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with your experiences and
the mental burdens that come
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with that...| think
were apparent that year.
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Every experience leaves its mark.
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Having been a focal point
for not just the club,
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but at times what felt
like the entire city,
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Kenny — King Kenny — decided
he could reign no more.
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The biggest problem was...
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...was the pressure...
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...| was putting myself under...
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...because of my desire
to be successful.
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Hillsborough took its toll on Kenny.
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I mean, if you look at the picture
of Kenny the day he retired,
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and he goes to Florida,
comes back six weeks later,
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it's a different man.
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It's a different —
totally different — man.
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See ya, Ken. Ta—ra, lads.
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So the realisation later on that
what he was suffering with was...
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...kind of the same thing...
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...that I personally — and lots of
others like me — were suffering.
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Grief is the only way
I can describe it.
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I was quite devastated, actually,
because you always wonder,
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who's going to be the next manager?
Will they understand how we feel?
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But at the same time,
we understood it.
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We understood why he
had...he resigned.
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It couldn't have been predicted
at the time, but Dalglish leaving
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was the end of an era.
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His departure led to
the Great Red Drought.
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The club continued their
tried and trusted method.
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When the manager left, the successor
was always one of their own.
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You're Graeme Souness, aren't ya?
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Yeah.
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You look like me.
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Oh. aye'?
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Now it was the turn
of Graeme Souness,
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who'd left the club as a
player a year before
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the Heysel tragedy, and had
success as Rangers manager.
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Well, of course, everybody was
delighted when Graeme Souness came
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because it was
a Liverpool promotion.
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Souness!
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Souness plays the gap
behind the defence.
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And gets in!
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He was distanced from the disaster.
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He'd come in and restore
a sense of perspective.
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A lot was changing in terms
of the food, the diets,
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the nutrition, which was all
coming into football anyway.
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Liverpool were renowned as the
biggest drinkers in the league.
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They said, "You live your life
how you want to live your life.
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"If you've got to be hungover,
you be hungover,
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"but you train properly."
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And having been part of it —
and there were still players
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who knew he was part of it there —
he wanted to change it and stop it.
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Stop them getting
blind drunk every night.
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They didn't like it.
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I think it was actually probably
too early in his managerial career
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because he came to Liverpool
and he let one or two players
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go too early.
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When I was a player, there was only
one club to play for, and when
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someone comes to me and says, "Well,
I'd rather be somewhere else,"
449
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that was it. It was back them out.
It was finished. Let's go.
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Let's get them out the door
as quickly as possible.
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That was the big mistake I made.
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One of the things Liverpool
did really well over the years,
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they'd always buy from
a position of strength.
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They'd always bring in new players
when they were successful.
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After Hillsborough, they lost
their way in that area as well.
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And it got to the stage whereby
the only two senior players left
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who had been there
were me and Rushy,
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so you had a lot of young players
and a lot of new players coming in,
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so the Liverpool way
wasn't there any more.
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Performances on the pitch
began to suffer.
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Liverpool were no longer title
contenders, though they did
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win the FA Cup in 1992.
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Thomas through the middle again.
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Michael Thomas.
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Rush!
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2-0, Liverpool.
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Liverpool win the FA Cup
for the fifth time —
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and in their centenary year,
as well.
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The priorities, as always,
for Liverpool Football Club
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will be the First Division
championship next season
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and, from that point of view,
they'd a bad season this season.
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They finished sixth.
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What struck me was, yes, OK, we're
losing games — and from a winning
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mentality point of view — but,
more importantly, things that were
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happening in training.
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And that was a problem at Liverpool
— the way we were preparing
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Monday to Friday.
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And in many respects, to be fair to
Graeme, a lot of it then became
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if we lost,
who's going to get the blame?
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His commitment and his passion
for Liverpool is unbelievable,
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but because he's committed
and passionate about Liverpool,
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it doesn't mean he's the right guy
to run the team.
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He said he loves Liverpool, OK?
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So if he does, he should go.
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It wasn't a nice atmosphere
towards the end.
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It was a very conflicting
and confrontational atmosphere.
487
00:25:34,164 --> 00:25:37,779
By tradition, Liverpool had always
stood by their managers, but poor
488
00:25:37,804 --> 00:25:40,489
league performances, compounded
with an FA Cup defeat
489
00:25:40,514 --> 00:25:44,159
to Division One side Bristol City,
put an end to all that.
490
00:25:44,184 --> 00:25:48,409
Great delight for them, but you just
wonder what this might have done
491
00:25:48,434 --> 00:25:50,599
to Liverpool's season.
492
00:25:51,673 --> 00:25:55,489
I am extremely sorry to have
to announce that Graeme Souness
493
00:25:55,514 --> 00:25:59,159
has offered his resignation
from the post of team manager.
494
00:25:59,184 --> 00:26:02,438
The results in the league
and the domestic European Cup
495
00:26:02,463 --> 00:26:06,599
competitions have been well below
what is expected by the club
496
00:26:06,624 --> 00:26:07,959
and the supporters.
497
00:26:14,984 --> 00:26:19,879
The dawn of the Premier League in
1992 heralded a glitzy, modern,
498
00:26:19,904 --> 00:26:21,959
more brand-aware world for football.
499
00:26:21,984 --> 00:26:24,719
It's a chance, really, to get
the structure of professional
500
00:26:24,744 --> 00:26:26,239
football right for the next
hundred years.
501
00:26:26,264 --> 00:26:28,079
We'll never have another
opportunity like this.
502
00:26:28,104 --> 00:26:31,929
I think, in some ways, Liverpool
got left behind off the pitch.
503
00:26:31,954 --> 00:26:35,489
With the riches that came
into the Premier League,
504
00:26:35,514 --> 00:26:39,849
Manchester United, for example,
ended up as a listed company,
505
00:26:39,874 --> 00:26:42,879
just when there was a bit of
a revolution off the pitch,
506
00:26:42,904 --> 00:26:46,679
and maybe Liverpool got caught a
little bit napping in that sense.
507
00:26:46,704 --> 00:26:49,438
Bruce! Yes!
508
00:26:49,463 --> 00:26:52,318
Not only were United stealing
a march off the pitch,
509
00:26:52,343 --> 00:26:54,489
they were miles ahead on it.
510
00:26:54,514 --> 00:26:57,768
Their Great Red Drought
was being washed away by a crop
511
00:26:57,793 --> 00:27:01,768
of talented youngsters
and a very modest Frenchman.
512
00:27:01,793 --> 00:27:05,768
They won trophy after trophy,
and it was all masterminded
513
00:27:05,793 --> 00:27:09,398
by their own Scottish alchemist,
Sir Alex Ferguson.
514
00:27:13,264 --> 00:27:17,359
Liverpool's strategy to combat
all of this change was to do exactly
515
00:27:17,384 --> 00:27:19,209
what they'd always done.
516
00:27:19,234 --> 00:27:22,929
They promoted Roy Evans
from assistant to manager.
517
00:27:22,954 --> 00:27:24,518
Good morning.
518
00:27:24,543 --> 00:27:28,359
So I suppose it's, erm... We're back
to basics, I suppose, in a way.
519
00:27:29,984 --> 00:27:32,599
But maybe that's the way
we should be going.
520
00:27:32,624 --> 00:27:33,879
I think it would be silly to say,
521
00:27:33,904 --> 00:27:36,129
"Well, I've take the job
and now be afraid of it."
522
00:27:36,154 --> 00:27:40,568
I think it's nice to have your own
destiny in your own hands.
523
00:27:40,593 --> 00:27:42,648
And then I went home and I thought,
524
00:27:42,673 --> 00:27:45,318
"Cor, blimey, I've just said I want
to be the manager of Liverpool.
525
00:27:45,343 --> 00:27:49,489
"At the end of the day, everything
now is down to me, I suppose."
526
00:27:49,514 --> 00:27:51,719
For the first week or so you think,
527
00:27:51,744 --> 00:27:53,879
"Oh, God, what's this
going to be like?"
528
00:27:53,904 --> 00:27:55,079
OK? All right.
529
00:27:55,104 --> 00:27:57,289
And don't start off with anything
about "Liverpool are on fire".
530
00:27:57,314 --> 00:27:59,768
No, no, no.
LAUGHTER
531
00:27:59,793 --> 00:28:03,688
Evans inherited Liverpool's own
crop of brilliant young players.
532
00:28:03,713 --> 00:28:08,079
Steve McManaman, jamie Redknapp
and a superstar local striker.
533
00:28:09,234 --> 00:28:11,289
It's Robbie Fowler. It's three.
534
00:28:12,984 --> 00:28:14,568
I loved him as a manager.
535
00:28:14,593 --> 00:28:16,239
The belief he instilled
into the players,
536
00:28:16,264 --> 00:28:17,688
I think was quite frightening.
537
00:28:17,713 --> 00:28:20,568
McManaman. Fowler.
538
00:28:20,593 --> 00:28:21,959
McManaman.
539
00:28:21,984 --> 00:28:23,719
It's a glorious goal!
540
00:28:25,343 --> 00:28:27,318
No qualms at all with Roy Evans.
541
00:28:27,343 --> 00:28:30,768
We got on really well and,
of course, he gave me my debut,
542
00:28:30,793 --> 00:28:31,999
put a lot of faith in me.
543
00:28:35,704 --> 00:28:37,929
Evans reinstated
the Liverpool tradition
544
00:28:37,954 --> 00:28:39,999
of having fun off the pitch.
545
00:28:40,024 --> 00:28:43,209
Socially, them clays, the players
could go out occasionally,
546
00:28:43,234 --> 00:28:44,318
have a drink.
547
00:28:44,343 --> 00:28:45,679
I had no problem with that.
548
00:28:49,543 --> 00:28:52,891
I didn't really take much notice of,
you know, what the press were saying
549
00:28:52,916 --> 00:28:55,451
about, you know, they go out
drinking and things like that.
550
00:28:58,836 --> 00:29:00,811
It was like, "Come on,
we're having a lads' day out.
551
00:29:00,836 --> 00:29:02,251
"We're all going to the races."
552
00:29:02,276 --> 00:29:05,201
And you had to go.
It wasn't sort of...an option.
553
00:29:05,226 --> 00:29:06,561
CHEERING
554
00:29:08,916 --> 00:29:12,961
The Spice Boys, they certainly
never packed away the sort of
555
00:29:12,986 --> 00:29:16,171
number of pints that
the predecessors did,
556
00:29:16,196 --> 00:29:19,921
but they were into a
different sort of lifestyle.
557
00:29:19,946 --> 00:29:23,730
We obviously went out and we enjoyed
ourselves, but we went out
558
00:29:23,755 --> 00:29:25,961
and enjoyed ourselves
at the right time.
559
00:29:25,986 --> 00:29:28,730
I think the fact is that we never
won the league but, you know,
560
00:29:28,755 --> 00:29:31,451
it wasn't through the lack
of trying or the want of trying.
561
00:29:31,476 --> 00:29:34,251
We were just a little bit
unfortunate that there was another
562
00:29:34,276 --> 00:29:37,921
team just down the road who were
probably slightly better than us.
563
00:29:41,305 --> 00:29:42,961
Nice suits, those, aren't they?
564
00:29:42,986 --> 00:29:46,171
See the pockets?
Look at the back of...
565
00:29:46,196 --> 00:29:48,861
I mean, I won't throw
the blame on anyone but,
566
00:29:48,886 --> 00:29:52,581
you know, at the time,
David James was a model for Armani.
567
00:29:52,606 --> 00:29:57,191
I don't think we were the first
team who's ever wore dodgy suits.
568
00:29:57,216 --> 00:29:58,941
I'm in my 30s, I think,
569
00:29:58,966 --> 00:30:01,500
"Well, I'd like a nice
little blue Armani suit
570
00:30:01,525 --> 00:30:02,941
"because I'm going to retire
571
00:30:02,966 --> 00:30:06,391
"and if I have an Armani suit,
I can wear it till I'm 50."
572
00:30:06,416 --> 00:30:07,955
Watch out for your pens, please,
573
00:30:07,980 --> 00:30:10,567
because you can see
the white suit...
574
00:30:10,592 --> 00:30:11,606
Move that pen.
575
00:30:11,631 --> 00:30:13,457
Uh-uh. No.
576
00:30:13,482 --> 00:30:16,377
But, of course, I got outvoted.
577
00:30:18,952 --> 00:30:21,047
Scholes in the six—yard area.
578
00:30:21,072 --> 00:30:22,897
Five behind.
579
00:30:22,922 --> 00:30:24,927
James gets there, just first.
580
00:30:24,952 --> 00:30:25,967
Cantona!
581
00:30:30,482 --> 00:30:34,127
Massively disappointed in terms
of how it turned out.
582
00:30:34,152 --> 00:30:36,817
If I was to go back in my career
and I could change one result,
583
00:30:36,842 --> 00:30:39,207
I think that would be the one.
584
00:30:39,232 --> 00:30:43,567
Dodgy suits aside, Liverpool
did manage to turn on the style
585
00:30:43,592 --> 00:30:45,567
the following season, but they just
586
00:30:45,592 --> 00:30:47,817
missed out on
a Champions League place.
587
00:30:47,842 --> 00:30:51,327
With only one League Cup
in Roy's trophy cabinet,
588
00:30:51,352 --> 00:30:54,897
the media spotlight began
to focus on the man in charge.
589
00:30:54,922 --> 00:30:58,177
How would you describe yourself,
Roy? What sort of a man are you?
590
00:30:58,202 --> 00:30:59,967
They've always called me
Steady Eddie
591
00:30:59,992 --> 00:31:01,736
and I suppose that's
about right, really.
592
00:31:01,761 --> 00:31:04,536
I don't go too far
from the middle line.
593
00:31:04,561 --> 00:31:07,177
Come out if you want.
Come out if you want!
594
00:31:07,202 --> 00:31:10,207
Roy did a really, really good job.
595
00:31:10,232 --> 00:31:13,406
He just couldn't quite,
you know, win the big one.
596
00:31:13,431 --> 00:31:15,736
It always seemed to have eluded him.
597
00:31:15,761 --> 00:31:18,767
And I think, if anything, with him,
he was — and I hate this phrase,
598
00:31:18,792 --> 00:31:21,097
but I'm going to use it —
he was too nice.
599
00:31:21,122 --> 00:31:22,486
Stand up, Robbie, stand up, Robbie.
600
00:31:22,511 --> 00:31:23,647
Well done, well done.
601
00:31:23,672 --> 00:31:25,406
No, I disagree with this,
to be honest.
602
00:31:25,431 --> 00:31:28,687
Regardless of what
anyone says about Roy,
603
00:31:28,712 --> 00:31:31,327
I always thought he was
a tough manager.
604
00:31:31,352 --> 00:31:33,817
You know, there's loads
of different ways to skin a cat
605
00:31:33,842 --> 00:31:37,177
and Roy Evans was absolutely...
very, very good manager,
606
00:31:37,202 --> 00:31:41,736
and Liverpool could have won
the league under his tutelage.
607
00:31:41,761 --> 00:31:44,457
Get it, Macca, get it, Macca,
get it, Macca, get it, Macca.
608
00:31:44,482 --> 00:31:45,567
Good tackle, there.
609
00:31:45,592 --> 00:31:47,377
LAUGHTER
610
00:31:52,042 --> 00:31:55,847
In '98, we felt that we were going
to have to make a tough decision,
611
00:31:55,872 --> 00:32:01,127
make a change, because top of
the table is where we wanted to be
612
00:32:01,152 --> 00:32:04,486
and...that's when the decision
was taken to bring
613
00:32:04,511 --> 00:32:07,207
in Gerard Houllier.
614
00:32:07,232 --> 00:32:11,486
That was my idea initially because
I thought that Roy Evans had done
615
00:32:11,511 --> 00:32:13,647
a good job and I thought
it was unfair,
616
00:32:13,672 --> 00:32:17,736
so I said we can have some
kind of joint management.
617
00:32:17,761 --> 00:32:20,767
A big decision taken together.
618
00:32:20,792 --> 00:32:22,687
Sometimes it's just minor things.
619
00:32:22,712 --> 00:32:24,767
Either Roy or...
620
00:32:24,792 --> 00:32:26,847
We won't be doing this
every week together —
621
00:32:26,872 --> 00:32:29,127
some weeks I'll do it,
some weeks Gerard will do it —
622
00:32:29,152 --> 00:32:31,847
but there's got to be some
benefits to it somewhere!
623
00:32:31,872 --> 00:32:33,967
It was a bold step for Liverpool
to take.
624
00:32:33,992 --> 00:32:37,887
Maybe it was a case of,
can we minimise the risk
625
00:32:37,912 --> 00:32:42,047
by having a degree of compromise?
626
00:32:43,122 --> 00:32:46,687
It might have been a bold move to
begin with, but as soon as results
627
00:32:46,712 --> 00:32:50,847
started dropping off, there was a
sense that, as far as managers go,
628
00:32:50,872 --> 00:32:53,406
it is better to walk alone.
629
00:32:53,431 --> 00:32:55,736
You've got to have one man
making the decisions —
630
00:32:55,761 --> 00:32:58,047
whether it's substitutions,
team selection,
631
00:32:58,072 --> 00:33:01,207
leaving people out or whatever —
so one man should be in charge.
632
00:33:01,232 --> 00:33:02,967
You can't do it by committee? No.
633
00:33:02,992 --> 00:33:04,887
If you call people joint managers...
634
00:33:06,072 --> 00:33:09,486
...then...from that start then,
you're going to have a problem.
635
00:33:10,712 --> 00:33:13,637
It's not a matter of personality
636
00:33:13,662 --> 00:33:15,887
between Roy and myself.
637
00:33:15,912 --> 00:33:19,327
I think he's a very nice man,
very nice person.
638
00:33:19,352 --> 00:33:21,486
Obviously he's not my favourite man
in the whole world,
639
00:33:21,511 --> 00:33:23,486
but that's...that's...that's life.
640
00:33:23,511 --> 00:33:25,817
But I don't blame him
in any shape or form.
641
00:33:25,842 --> 00:33:30,457
"Today is a sad day for Liverpool
Football Club and for me personally
642
00:33:30,482 --> 00:33:34,047
"as I have to inform you that we
have agreed, by mutual consent,
643
00:33:34,072 --> 00:33:36,967
"that Roy Evans and his assistant,
Doug Livermore,
644
00:33:36,992 --> 00:33:38,567
"are to leave the club."
645
00:33:39,952 --> 00:33:42,656
He's not somebody who would knife
you in the back, you know, he's...
646
00:33:45,072 --> 00:33:48,377
Really, it's because
the situation doesn't fit.
647
00:33:50,431 --> 00:33:51,907
I love the bones of this place.
648
00:33:51,932 --> 00:33:55,266
It's been everything to me and
I've been delighted to work here
649
00:33:55,291 --> 00:33:58,887
and I appreciate all
the help I've had.
650
00:33:58,912 --> 00:34:01,327
In football, sometimes
it's a ruthless business.
651
00:34:01,352 --> 00:34:03,286
Sometimes you have to look
after yourself
652
00:34:03,311 --> 00:34:06,767
and, possibly, he was better
at doing that than me.
653
00:34:14,962 --> 00:34:17,097
The board was very good to me.
654
00:34:18,152 --> 00:34:24,297
They said, "We don't have all
the qualities in the world.
655
00:34:24,322 --> 00:34:28,327
"There's one virtue that
we have — we are patient.
656
00:34:28,352 --> 00:34:31,207
"Take your time.
Do what you have to do.
657
00:34:31,232 --> 00:34:32,526
"We'll back you."
658
00:34:32,551 --> 00:34:36,276
I came back to my staff and I said,
"Now I know we're going to win."
659
00:34:37,681 --> 00:34:40,526
I think there was an acceptance that
the culture of the club needed to
660
00:34:40,551 --> 00:34:42,526
change by the players.
661
00:34:42,551 --> 00:34:46,817
The players who had resisted
were largely got rid of
662
00:34:46,842 --> 00:34:51,127
and you could see the development
of players like Michael Owen,
663
00:34:51,152 --> 00:34:53,767
you know, Steven, Carragher.
664
00:34:53,792 --> 00:34:57,486
For Liverpool, number 28
is Steven Gerard.
665
00:34:57,511 --> 00:34:59,817
In an under—19 game,
666
00:34:59,842 --> 00:35:02,207
Steve Heighway asked me to
go and see...
667
00:35:03,761 --> 00:35:06,817
...a player playing on the right.
668
00:35:06,842 --> 00:35:11,730
The guy who caught my eye
that day was Steven Gerrard.
669
00:35:11,755 --> 00:35:15,272
And he was in the middle of the park
going from box to box, tackling,
670
00:35:15,297 --> 00:35:21,843
shouting, showing some leadership
quality despite his young age,
671
00:35:21,868 --> 00:35:25,093
so I decided to take him
with me the next day.
672
00:35:28,478 --> 00:35:32,763
Birmingham City and Liverpool!
673
00:35:32,788 --> 00:35:35,813
2001 was, I think,
a tremendous year.
674
00:35:35,838 --> 00:35:37,813
It started with the League Cup.
675
00:35:39,118 --> 00:35:42,373
The Scouse captain of Liverpool
scores an absolutely stunning goal.
676
00:35:44,908 --> 00:35:47,843
I think that was the
most difficult final!
677
00:35:47,868 --> 00:35:50,093
Andy Johnson, right foot.
678
00:35:50,118 --> 00:35:51,453
It's saved by Westerveld!
679
00:35:51,478 --> 00:35:53,683
And Liverpool have won
the Worthington Cup!
680
00:35:56,118 --> 00:36:00,173
That trophy was very important.
681
00:36:00,198 --> 00:36:04,652
It took some pressure off the team,
you know — we'd won something.
682
00:36:04,677 --> 00:36:07,602
Growing up, if you'd given me one
game to score the winner in,
683
00:36:07,627 --> 00:36:09,933
it would have been FA Cup final.
684
00:36:09,958 --> 00:36:12,453
And I was so confident
going into the game,
685
00:36:12,478 --> 00:36:16,522
but for 85 minutes I just hadn't
had a sniff of a chance.
686
00:36:16,547 --> 00:36:17,602
Pushing and shoving.
687
00:36:17,627 --> 00:36:18,732
And there's the shot.
688
00:36:18,757 --> 00:36:20,093
And there's the equaliser!
689
00:36:21,478 --> 00:36:22,482
Michael Owen!
690
00:36:25,348 --> 00:36:27,482
I just knew once I scored that goal,
691
00:36:27,507 --> 00:36:29,522
j0gging past Arsenal players,
692
00:36:29,547 --> 00:36:31,933
seeing how slumped they were,
693
00:36:31,958 --> 00:36:34,482
and then just looking
at the clock thinking,
694
00:36:34,507 --> 00:36:36,013
"Right — have I got enough time now
695
00:36:36,038 --> 00:36:38,963
"to finish them off or am I going
to have to do it in extra time?"
696
00:36:38,988 --> 00:36:40,293
This is Berger.
697
00:36:40,318 --> 00:36:43,093
And Robbie Fowler looks sprightly
now. Watched the ball, played early,
698
00:36:43,118 --> 00:36:44,123
but so does Owen!
699
00:36:44,148 --> 00:36:46,203
And he's getting
the other side of Dixon.
700
00:36:46,228 --> 00:36:47,813
Michael Owen for Liverpool...
701
00:36:47,838 --> 00:36:49,843
Yes! Oh, he's done it!
702
00:36:49,868 --> 00:36:51,933
What an incredible goal
for Michael Owen!
703
00:36:53,268 --> 00:36:54,272
Unbelievable stuff.
704
00:36:58,398 --> 00:37:03,243
I've possibly scored more famous
goals, but give me one day again
705
00:37:03,268 --> 00:37:05,323
and I'd relive that day.
706
00:37:15,677 --> 00:37:17,883
Come on, boys, come on.
707
00:37:17,908 --> 00:37:20,043
One good ball in.
708
00:37:20,068 --> 00:37:23,093
COMMENTATOR: Five Liverpool
players to attack the wall.
709
00:37:23,118 --> 00:37:24,602
Oh, it's an own goal!
710
00:37:24,627 --> 00:37:28,123
YEAH! YEAHHH!
711
00:37:28,148 --> 00:37:30,402
That was an own goal, wasn't it?
712
00:37:30,427 --> 00:37:31,763
Was that an own goal?!
713
00:37:31,788 --> 00:37:36,852
A smile on the face of
Gerard Houllier at the end.
714
00:37:38,708 --> 00:37:41,093
After so many years
without trophies,
715
00:37:41,118 --> 00:37:44,602
suddenly Liverpool
couldn't stop winning them.
716
00:37:44,627 --> 00:37:46,843
And before long,
they added two more
717
00:37:46,868 --> 00:37:50,093
by winning the Super Cup
and the Charity Shield.
718
00:37:50,118 --> 00:37:53,043
Crucially, Liverpool
also won qualification
719
00:37:53,068 --> 00:37:55,913
to the Champions League
for the first time.
720
00:37:55,938 --> 00:37:57,963
After so long without success,
721
00:37:57,988 --> 00:38:00,272
it felt as if the club
were back on top,
722
00:38:00,297 --> 00:38:05,093
although their treble was mocked
by their rivals down the M62.
723
00:38:05,118 --> 00:38:08,293
We won every competition that
we entered in terms of cups,
724
00:38:08,318 --> 00:38:11,013
So, you know, if that's
Mickey Mouse, then...| mean,
725
00:38:11,038 --> 00:38:14,373
God knows what everything else is,
because I think for us
726
00:38:14,398 --> 00:38:18,163
to achieve that, I think it's
quite extraordinary. It really is.
727
00:38:20,348 --> 00:38:22,803
Winning those five trophies
with Liverpool,
728
00:38:22,828 --> 00:38:26,843
which was the club of my heart,
it's different, yeah.
729
00:38:26,868 --> 00:38:28,732
And when I say the club of my heart,
730
00:38:28,757 --> 00:38:33,293
my heart, you know,
practically fail after that!
731
00:38:33,318 --> 00:38:35,203
Come on, now. Come on, Stevie G!
732
00:38:35,228 --> 00:38:40,163
We were really looking forward
to the 2001—2002 season.
733
00:38:40,188 --> 00:38:44,323
Let this be the one
where we win the league.
734
00:38:47,427 --> 00:38:52,123
I felt ill in the half-time
of the game against Leeds.
735
00:38:52,148 --> 00:38:54,843
I don't want to go back
out there. I'm sorry.
736
00:38:56,988 --> 00:39:00,093
NEWS REPORT: Gerard Houllier
underwent a dissection of the aorta,
737
00:39:00,118 --> 00:39:02,883
the main vessel
carrying blood to the heart.
738
00:39:02,908 --> 00:39:05,903
He's now on a ventilator
in intensive care.
739
00:39:07,208 --> 00:39:09,803
Puts life into perspective,
puts football into perspective.
740
00:39:09,828 --> 00:39:12,402
Obviously our thoughts
are very much with Gerard
741
00:39:12,427 --> 00:39:14,883
and particularly with
Isabelle at this time,
742
00:39:14,908 --> 00:39:17,683
and we just wish him
a very speedy recovery.
743
00:39:17,708 --> 00:39:20,763
As might be expected
after an operation
744
00:39:20,788 --> 00:39:22,522
of this nature and complexity,
745
00:39:22,547 --> 00:39:26,293
recovery is inevitably
a slow and gradual process.
746
00:39:26,318 --> 00:39:30,293
It almost felt as if the doctors
were trying to keep him away,
747
00:39:30,318 --> 00:39:33,293
but he was adamant he wanted
to be back and it felt like
748
00:39:33,318 --> 00:39:36,963
he came back in far quicker time
than he was supposed to.
749
00:39:49,218 --> 00:39:51,522
I remember that day,
750
00:39:51,547 --> 00:39:53,913
because when I came on the pitch,
751
00:39:53,938 --> 00:39:56,963
Capello was there.
When he saw me, he hugged me.
752
00:40:00,038 --> 00:40:03,323
It went through the crowd gradually
that I was in the stadium
753
00:40:03,348 --> 00:40:04,763
and I was back.
754
00:40:04,788 --> 00:40:08,482
CHEERING
755
00:40:08,507 --> 00:40:10,482
Special day. Special night.
756
00:40:12,268 --> 00:40:14,803
I think Gerard came back too soon.
757
00:40:14,828 --> 00:40:16,323
And he might disagree.
758
00:40:16,348 --> 00:40:18,402
I don't think he was
the same person.
759
00:40:18,427 --> 00:40:20,402
It's easy to have regrets.
760
00:40:20,427 --> 00:40:23,602
All I can say is that
I was far too early
761
00:40:23,627 --> 00:40:26,243
and I probably paid it afterwards.
762
00:40:32,627 --> 00:40:34,602
With Houllier back in the hot seat,
763
00:40:34,627 --> 00:40:37,323
Liverpool ended the season
in second place —
764
00:40:37,348 --> 00:40:40,123
their highest Premier League finish.
765
00:40:40,148 --> 00:40:42,373
But the team could not
reach the same heights
766
00:40:42,398 --> 00:40:44,123
in the following two seasons.
767
00:40:44,148 --> 00:40:46,883
The pressure was mounting
on the boss.
768
00:40:46,908 --> 00:40:49,443
If people decide, you know,
that I'm not the right man
769
00:40:49,468 --> 00:40:52,553
for the right place, so what?
I mean, I'm not important.
770
00:40:52,578 --> 00:40:54,883
I'm not here for myself.
I'm here for the club.
771
00:40:54,908 --> 00:40:57,123
We were...hugely...
772
00:40:58,788 --> 00:41:00,443
...concerned about his health.
773
00:41:00,468 --> 00:41:03,013
We were very concerned that he'd
nearly given his life for the club.
774
00:41:03,038 --> 00:41:05,482
So if the club thinks,
"Well, Houllier shouldn't stay,"
775
00:41:05,507 --> 00:41:09,373
so, I mean, the people in command,
in charge, have to decide that.
776
00:41:09,398 --> 00:41:11,843
By then we wanted to be winning.
777
00:41:11,868 --> 00:41:13,443
We wanted to be contenders.
778
00:41:13,468 --> 00:41:16,883
We really needed to be contenders
for the title. We weren't.
779
00:41:16,908 --> 00:41:19,683
But as far as I'm concerned,
I know where we're going.
780
00:41:19,708 --> 00:41:22,883
I know it's been a rocky year,
but we'll get there.
781
00:41:22,908 --> 00:41:27,083
And it was a sad day when we decided
that we had to make a change.
782
00:41:28,868 --> 00:41:31,963
I don't know.
Maybe my health played a part.
783
00:41:31,988 --> 00:41:35,482
People ask me, you know,
"Well, what is your contribution?"
784
00:41:35,507 --> 00:41:37,402
I say my contribution is nothing,
785
00:41:37,427 --> 00:41:40,193
apart from the fact that
the team finished fourth
786
00:41:40,218 --> 00:41:42,833
and they were allowed
to play Champions League.
787
00:41:42,858 --> 00:41:46,732
I heard and I read that
they want to go back to the '60s
788
00:41:46,757 --> 00:41:48,963
and the '70s culture.
789
00:41:48,988 --> 00:41:50,883
Well, fair enough, but not with me.
790
00:42:11,038 --> 00:42:14,522
My first night with my wife
in Liverpool was, er...
791
00:42:15,958 --> 00:42:19,713
...raining cats and dogs or
dogs and cats, how you say?
792
00:42:19,738 --> 00:42:21,552
Cats and dogs.
793
00:42:21,577 --> 00:42:24,253
Raining cats and dogs.
It was a big storm. And we said,
794
00:42:24,278 --> 00:42:27,383
"Oh, we are coming from Valencia
and then we come here. 00f."
795
00:42:29,838 --> 00:42:33,173
Rafa was an exciting
appointment for us.
796
00:42:33,198 --> 00:42:37,333
It was very much a case of,
the key credential for us
797
00:42:37,358 --> 00:42:41,253
is we need somebody who's won one
of the major European leagues.
798
00:42:41,278 --> 00:42:44,023
The former Valencia
boss Rafael Benitez
799
00:42:44,048 --> 00:42:48,023
has been the favourite for the job
ever since he quit the Spanish club.
800
00:42:48,048 --> 00:42:51,203
Valencia, we didn't have
too much money at this time.
801
00:42:51,228 --> 00:42:53,492
We were... I'm not sure
how you say in English this.
802
00:42:53,517 --> 00:42:56,303
"Punching above your weight"
or something like that.
803
00:42:56,328 --> 00:42:58,693
We chose him rather than Mourinho.
804
00:42:58,718 --> 00:43:01,492
We thought Rafa was much more
Liverpool's style.
805
00:43:01,517 --> 00:43:03,943
He had a bit more humility and...
806
00:43:05,228 --> 00:43:06,662
...was a bit more down—to—earth.
807
00:43:06,687 --> 00:43:12,773
I'm European champion,
so I'm not one of...of the bottle.
808
00:43:12,798 --> 00:43:14,612
I think I'm a special one.
809
00:43:17,657 --> 00:43:21,203
Famously, he walks into a bar
full of Liverpool fans
810
00:43:21,228 --> 00:43:24,023
and has a drink, and everyone said,
you know, "That's great."
811
00:43:24,048 --> 00:43:25,843
You know, man of the people
and all that.
812
00:43:25,868 --> 00:43:28,662
Well, he'd gone
through the wrong door.
813
00:43:28,687 --> 00:43:30,813
He thought he was going
into his hotel.
814
00:43:30,838 --> 00:43:32,612
But once he's there...
815
00:43:32,637 --> 00:43:35,333
"They're all Liverpool fans,
I'm not just going to walk out."
816
00:43:35,358 --> 00:43:38,813
So he, almost by accident,
got the city
817
00:43:38,838 --> 00:43:41,133
and got a sense of
what it was about.
818
00:43:44,457 --> 00:43:46,833
Very quickly, Benitez also learnt
819
00:43:46,858 --> 00:43:49,662
about the internal tensions
at the club.
820
00:43:49,687 --> 00:43:51,973
Literally the first day
Rafa arrived,
821
00:43:51,998 --> 00:43:54,973
I had to tell him that
Steven Gerrard had decided
822
00:43:54,998 --> 00:43:56,482
that he wanted to go.
823
00:43:56,507 --> 00:43:58,973
I haven't been really happy
with the progression of the club
824
00:43:58,998 --> 00:44:02,023
over the last two years.
For the first time in my career,
825
00:44:02,048 --> 00:44:06,023
I've really thought about
the possibility of moving on.
826
00:44:06,048 --> 00:44:09,843
I think during the Euros,
Steven pretty much decided
827
00:44:09,868 --> 00:44:12,813
he wanted to go to Chelsea.
The mistake Chelsea made was
828
00:44:12,838 --> 00:44:16,862
letting Steven come back
to Liverpool after the Euros.
829
00:44:16,887 --> 00:44:19,253
They should have kept him
on Abramovich's boat.
830
00:44:19,278 --> 00:44:23,412
After coming home from Euro 2000,
sitting down with my family,
831
00:44:23,437 --> 00:44:28,843
I've decided that I'm staying on
at Liverpool Football Club.
832
00:44:28,868 --> 00:44:32,612
In the end, what I told him,
if you go to another side,
833
00:44:32,637 --> 00:44:35,173
maybe you can win some trophies,
but you will be one more.
834
00:44:35,198 --> 00:44:37,973
Here you are Stevie G,
the captain, the legend,
835
00:44:37,998 --> 00:44:40,432
and everybody
will remember you like that.
836
00:44:42,777 --> 00:44:45,532
Benitez set about changing
the direction of the team,
837
00:44:45,557 --> 00:44:48,253
bringing in Spanish playmaker
Xabi Alonzo
838
00:44:48,278 --> 00:44:50,583
to create a fabulous midfield duo.
839
00:44:50,608 --> 00:44:54,813
But Chelsea's interest in
Gerrard had unsettled Liverpool.
840
00:44:54,838 --> 00:44:58,773
They knew that Mourinho's team
were miles ahead in the league.
841
00:44:58,798 --> 00:45:03,843
Everywhere Liverpool looked,
it was Chelsea, Chelsea, Chelsea.
842
00:45:06,757 --> 00:45:09,323
We were in the stairs.
That feeling...
843
00:45:09,348 --> 00:45:12,963
Was a very nice conversation,
because they were winning.
844
00:45:12,988 --> 00:45:14,713
As soon as we start winning,
845
00:45:14,738 --> 00:45:17,473
things were getting worse
in terms of the relationship.
846
00:45:17,498 --> 00:45:20,752
But, OK, that is normal
when you are competing,
847
00:45:20,777 --> 00:45:23,073
and it's a style everybody knows.
848
00:45:23,098 --> 00:45:24,963
I tried to be more respectful,
849
00:45:24,988 --> 00:45:28,752
but... OK, each one can
decide what he prefers.
850
00:45:33,657 --> 00:45:37,632
We had that huge disappointment
of the League Cup,
851
00:45:37,657 --> 00:45:40,393
but the irony of playing
against Chelsea
852
00:45:40,418 --> 00:45:45,432
and Steven scoring the own goal
after everything that had gone on,
853
00:45:45,457 --> 00:45:47,993
but then in the dressing room
straight after the game saying,
854
00:45:48,018 --> 00:45:49,913
"| hope we get them
in the Champions League,"
855
00:45:49,938 --> 00:45:51,273
as indeed we then did.
856
00:45:56,457 --> 00:45:59,043
I think it was so good,
the team was so strong that
857
00:45:59,068 --> 00:46:01,833
nobody was expecting
that we could go through,
858
00:46:01,858 --> 00:46:05,073
and the Luis Garcia goal, and
they said, "Oh, it wasn't a goal,"
859
00:46:05,098 --> 00:46:06,913
then could be a red card
for Petr Cech
860
00:46:06,938 --> 00:46:08,432
at the beginning of the game.
861
00:46:08,457 --> 00:46:10,682
And I think it was very clear
862
00:46:10,707 --> 00:46:13,073
that it was a goal
that we deserved,
863
00:46:13,098 --> 00:46:15,713
because we did what we had to do
to score this goal.
864
00:46:19,138 --> 00:46:22,552
You have to give credit to someone
like Liverpool at this time —
865
00:46:22,577 --> 00:46:25,193
that, against the best team
in the Premier League,
866
00:46:25,218 --> 00:46:27,043
we could do so well
867
00:46:27,068 --> 00:46:29,113
that we could go to the final.
868
00:46:34,738 --> 00:46:36,603
The atmosphere was amazing.
869
00:46:38,068 --> 00:46:40,603
Our fans obviously
were there in force,
870
00:46:40,628 --> 00:46:43,963
outnumbering — considerably —
the Milan fans.
871
00:46:43,988 --> 00:46:48,713
If you see the team sheet,
AC Milan was so good.
872
00:46:48,738 --> 00:46:52,473
Everybody was so excited,
and just to go there and try to
873
00:46:52,498 --> 00:46:56,073
enjoy from the first minute until
the last minute if it was possible.
874
00:46:56,098 --> 00:46:58,632
COMMENTATOR: In goes the free kick,
and the shot goes in,
875
00:46:58,657 --> 00:47:00,882
and it's there! Milan have scored!
876
00:47:00,907 --> 00:47:03,033
Here's Shevchenko.
Shevchenko crosses...
877
00:47:03,058 --> 00:47:04,353
It's 2-0.
878
00:47:05,738 --> 00:47:09,223
I was preparing my speech —
in my bad English now —
879
00:47:09,248 --> 00:47:11,143
imagine some years ago,
880
00:47:11,168 --> 00:47:13,783
preparing my speech at half—time,
losing 2-0,
881
00:47:13,808 --> 00:47:15,603
and then we concede the third goal.
882
00:47:16,577 --> 00:47:17,993
Kaka. Oh, towards Crespo...
883
00:47:18,018 --> 00:47:20,073
Crespo's doing this.
It's going to be 3-0...
884
00:47:20,098 --> 00:47:21,273
And it is 5-0!
885
00:47:22,498 --> 00:47:26,113
Come half—time, people are leaving,
people are despairing,
886
00:47:26,138 --> 00:47:29,863
and I'm going, "It's not over
till the fat lady sings.
887
00:47:29,888 --> 00:47:31,783
"Come on. It's all right.
It'll be..."
888
00:47:31,808 --> 00:47:34,632
But it was almost like
it wasn't just me that felt it,
889
00:47:34,657 --> 00:47:38,323
because the crowd started to sing.
890
00:47:38,348 --> 00:47:42,913
# You'll never walk... #
891
00:47:42,938 --> 00:47:45,353
You need to explain
something in English
892
00:47:45,378 --> 00:47:47,502
and be sure that
you use the right words,
893
00:47:47,527 --> 00:47:49,863
and you keep the motivation
if you can.
894
00:47:49,888 --> 00:47:52,073
Another opportunity from Riise...
895
00:47:52,098 --> 00:47:54,783
Header! Yes, a goal
from Steven Gerrard!
896
00:47:55,938 --> 00:47:58,073
Never forget Stevie coming out...
897
00:47:58,098 --> 00:47:59,963
His arms are going like this,
898
00:47:59,988 --> 00:48:01,273
getting the crowd up.
899
00:48:01,298 --> 00:48:02,632
Man 25 yards out.
900
00:48:02,657 --> 00:48:04,833
Doesn't shoot, but Smicer by!
901
00:48:04,858 --> 00:48:10,113
All the way from Vladimir Smicer!
902
00:48:10,138 --> 00:48:14,193
And I'm not just saying this,
honestly, but I just knew
903
00:48:14,218 --> 00:48:15,963
we were going to win that day.
904
00:48:15,988 --> 00:48:18,273
Alonso...misses!
905
00:48:18,298 --> 00:48:20,353
And Alonso puts in the rebound!
906
00:48:20,378 --> 00:48:23,193
And this scoreline is
absolutely staggering.
907
00:48:23,218 --> 00:48:26,552
AC Milan 3, Liverpool 3!
908
00:48:28,418 --> 00:48:33,273
Then we had to go through
the most nerve-racking extra time.
909
00:48:33,298 --> 00:48:36,033
Dudek made some fantastic saves.
910
00:48:41,348 --> 00:48:44,502
And when we went to the penalties,
I was 100% convinced
911
00:48:44,527 --> 00:48:45,783
that we could win.
912
00:48:45,808 --> 00:48:47,033
Shevchenko...
913
00:48:47,058 --> 00:48:51,502
Dudek saves for Liverpool!
914
00:48:55,378 --> 00:48:58,323
It's as rich to me now
as if it had happened yesterday.
915
00:49:04,418 --> 00:49:06,863
And still I have
a lot of fans telling me,
916
00:49:06,888 --> 00:49:09,993
"Rafa, that is
the best night of my life.
917
00:49:10,018 --> 00:49:11,422
"Don't tell my wife."
918
00:49:11,447 --> 00:49:13,243
So they are telling me that
all the time.
919
00:49:13,268 --> 00:49:16,603
Liverpool are champions of Europe!
920
00:49:20,498 --> 00:49:22,073
I was in Istanbul.
921
00:49:22,098 --> 00:49:25,552
I went down to the changing room
after the game.
922
00:49:25,577 --> 00:49:26,963
A couple of players saw me.
923
00:49:26,988 --> 00:49:30,502
Normally the players
say "hi" and that's it.
924
00:49:30,527 --> 00:49:33,713
But they came to me
and practically hugged me.
925
00:49:33,738 --> 00:49:35,193
You know, it was really...
926
00:49:35,218 --> 00:49:37,993
And they said,
"Boss, it's your team."
927
00:49:38,018 --> 00:49:40,323
And I must say, Rafa was...
928
00:49:41,378 --> 00:49:46,713
...outstanding, because he understood
that the players had a sort of a...
929
00:49:46,738 --> 00:49:48,862
...maybe special
relationship with me,
930
00:49:48,887 --> 00:49:50,943
and they...you know, we didn't...
931
00:49:50,968 --> 00:49:53,893
I never fell out with the players,
so it was all right.
932
00:49:55,528 --> 00:49:58,763
This truly was
the miracle of Istanbul.
933
00:49:58,788 --> 00:50:00,693
But one night couldn't hide the fact
934
00:50:00,718 --> 00:50:04,373
that Liverpool weren't set up
to compete consistently.
935
00:50:04,398 --> 00:50:06,333
And their rivals knew it.
936
00:50:06,358 --> 00:50:09,373
Over the summer,
Chelsea came calling again,
937
00:50:09,398 --> 00:50:12,157
and this time, they were
determined to get their man.
938
00:50:13,462 --> 00:50:15,846
We tried everything
to talk him round.
939
00:50:15,871 --> 00:50:17,747
The chairman came to see him.
940
00:50:17,772 --> 00:50:20,957
And he had absolutely decided
that he was going,
941
00:50:20,982 --> 00:50:22,636
and we announced he was going.
942
00:50:22,661 --> 00:50:25,107
It was ambition.
It was restlessness.
943
00:50:25,132 --> 00:50:30,997
It was, oddly, not necessarily
feeling he was valued enough.
944
00:50:31,022 --> 00:50:34,567
Fortunately, he came around
and signed a deal
945
00:50:34,592 --> 00:50:37,516
and he did say to me,
"just do me one favour.
946
00:50:37,541 --> 00:50:39,716
"Don't ever let me do this again."
947
00:50:39,741 --> 00:50:42,437
With Gerrard having
put pen to paper,
948
00:50:42,462 --> 00:50:47,536
Liverpool did strengthen the team.
But he was restless for a reason.
949
00:50:47,561 --> 00:50:49,780
Despite Liverpool's
show of ambition,
950
00:50:49,805 --> 00:50:53,910
the footballing world had moved
into a new financial stratosphere.
951
00:50:55,604 --> 00:50:58,369
David Moore was really
a good chairman.
952
00:50:58,394 --> 00:51:01,340
I think Rick Parry and him,
they were trying to help
953
00:51:01,365 --> 00:51:04,369
and they didn't put us
under pressure.
954
00:51:04,394 --> 00:51:07,550
The plan was the same, was in
three years' time to compete.
955
00:51:07,575 --> 00:51:10,300
We were already winning. We were
in the final of the Carting Cup,
956
00:51:10,325 --> 00:51:13,550
and this year
we won the FA Cup also,
957
00:51:13,575 --> 00:51:16,369
and the European Super Cup,
so everybody was happy
958
00:51:16,394 --> 00:51:19,829
in the way that the team
and the club was progressing.
959
00:51:19,854 --> 00:51:21,420
The only thing is that,
economically,
960
00:51:21,445 --> 00:51:23,340
you couldn't compete
against the other teams.
961
00:51:27,685 --> 00:51:33,140
David Mo yes had decided in 2004
that he wanted to sell.
962
00:51:33,165 --> 00:51:35,300
He was concerned, I think,
963
00:51:35,325 --> 00:51:39,060
about the resources that Abramovich
was bringing to Chelsea.
964
00:51:39,085 --> 00:51:41,470
Interest in the club was high.
965
00:51:41,495 --> 00:51:43,910
Rival offers were received
from a consortium
966
00:51:43,935 --> 00:51:45,660
headed by the Shaikh of Dubai
967
00:51:45,685 --> 00:51:49,300
and an American businessman
called George Gillett.
968
00:51:49,325 --> 00:51:51,550
The club wanted to sell to Dubai,
969
00:51:51,575 --> 00:51:54,910
but a deal took too long
to materialise.
970
00:51:54,935 --> 00:51:58,190
Everyone seemed desperate
for the club to be bought out.
971
00:51:58,215 --> 00:52:00,420
Be careful what you wish for,
972
00:52:00,445 --> 00:52:04,550
because what we got
was absolute chaos.
973
00:52:04,575 --> 00:52:05,660
2007...
974
00:52:06,885 --> 00:52:11,579
...We ended up with
Messrs Hicks and Gillett.
975
00:52:15,394 --> 00:52:18,420
This is truly the largest
sport in the world,
976
00:52:18,445 --> 00:52:20,699
the most important sport
in the world, and this is
977
00:52:20,724 --> 00:52:23,650
the most important club in the most
important sport in the world,
978
00:52:23,675 --> 00:52:26,260
and what a privilege we have
to be associated with it,
979
00:52:26,285 --> 00:52:29,470
and we hope that with the
good graces of Rick and his team,
980
00:52:29,495 --> 00:52:32,650
that we will be able to enjoy
both on—the—pitch success
981
00:52:32,675 --> 00:52:34,260
and economic success.
982
00:52:34,285 --> 00:52:36,449
But we're buying this
with no debt on the club.
983
00:52:37,524 --> 00:52:41,499
I think George
absolutely wanted success.
984
00:52:41,524 --> 00:52:45,780
I think he got
what Liverpool was about.
985
00:52:45,805 --> 00:52:48,340
Tom Hicks I don't think
ever got Liverpool.
986
00:52:48,365 --> 00:52:51,140
I remember the week after
the deal went through,
987
00:52:51,165 --> 00:52:53,140
he did an interview for The Guardian
988
00:52:53,165 --> 00:52:55,940
saying buying Liverpool is just
like buying Weetabix, I think.
989
00:52:57,604 --> 00:52:59,420
Er... No, it definitely isn't.
990
00:52:59,445 --> 00:53:01,650
We are making plans
to move forward with the stadium
991
00:53:01,675 --> 00:53:03,010
as quickly as we can.
992
00:53:04,325 --> 00:53:07,010
We need all the revenues
we can possibly find
993
00:53:07,035 --> 00:53:08,900
to compete with Manchester.
994
00:53:08,925 --> 00:53:10,650
The beginning was fine,
995
00:53:10,675 --> 00:53:12,900
because I think they promised
a lot of things.
996
00:53:12,925 --> 00:53:15,470
Maybe after, I would say,
three, four months,
997
00:53:15,495 --> 00:53:17,780
that they lead, you could see that
998
00:53:17,805 --> 00:53:21,220
it was not exactly
what you were expecting.
999
00:53:21,245 --> 00:53:25,340
Liverpool faced Milan again in the
Champions League final that summer.
1000
00:53:25,365 --> 00:53:27,579
But there was to be
no repeat of Istanbul.
1001
00:53:29,365 --> 00:53:31,579
It looked like
Hicks and Gillett had cash
1002
00:53:31,604 --> 00:53:33,260
and were prepared to spend it.
1003
00:53:33,285 --> 00:53:37,190
Fernando Torres was brought in
for a club record transfer fee.
1004
00:53:37,215 --> 00:53:39,650
Beats Ben Haim... Torres!
1005
00:53:39,675 --> 00:53:41,010
And scores!
1006
00:53:41,035 --> 00:53:44,140
His first goal for Liverpool!
1007
00:53:45,925 --> 00:53:48,369
But despite promises
to the contrary,
1008
00:53:48,394 --> 00:53:51,780
they'd borrowed money to fund
most of their activity,
1009
00:53:51,805 --> 00:53:56,290
in the form of a bank loan
from RBS for over £200 million.
1010
00:53:57,524 --> 00:53:59,090
Not long after arriving,
1011
00:53:59,115 --> 00:54:03,619
we headed into a period where
the relationship between Rafa,
1012
00:54:03,644 --> 00:54:06,470
between the fans and
between the ownership
1013
00:54:06,495 --> 00:54:08,780
all kind of started to fall apart.
1014
00:54:08,805 --> 00:54:12,369
I had people inside telling me,
"Yeah, we don't have the money."
1015
00:54:12,394 --> 00:54:13,749
But after, the same people,
1016
00:54:13,774 --> 00:54:15,900
they were going outside,
telling the press,
1017
00:54:15,925 --> 00:54:17,650
"No, we are doing this,
we are doing that."
1018
00:54:17,675 --> 00:54:20,940
So then you have to cope with
expectations that you wanted
1019
00:54:20,965 --> 00:54:22,220
to compete for the title,
1020
00:54:22,245 --> 00:54:24,540
but at the same time
you knew that you couldn't.
1021
00:54:24,565 --> 00:54:26,980
NEWS REPORT: The world
stock markets are stampeding,
1022
00:54:27,005 --> 00:54:29,090
and investors are diving for cover.
1023
00:54:29,115 --> 00:54:31,010
TRADERS YELLING
1024
00:54:31,035 --> 00:54:35,260
The financial crash made
a bad situation much worse.
1025
00:54:35,285 --> 00:54:39,090
Hicks had lost more money than
Gillett, and wanted to sell.
1026
00:54:39,115 --> 00:54:44,080
The pair fell out, and began using
everybody in the club as a pawn.
1027
00:54:44,105 --> 00:54:46,880
It was meltdown.
It was civil war within the club,
1028
00:54:46,905 --> 00:54:50,080
and it was civil war
between Gillett and Hicks.
1029
00:54:50,105 --> 00:54:54,639
Rafa was at odds with Rick Parry,
who got sacked by Tom Hicks.
1030
00:54:54,664 --> 00:54:58,030
Rick needs to resign from
Liverpool Football Club.
1031
00:54:58,055 --> 00:55:00,849
You certainly
have to have the ability to work
1032
00:55:00,874 --> 00:55:02,440
with your general manager,
1033
00:55:02,465 --> 00:55:06,030
and I think Rick's proven
he just can't do that.
1034
00:55:08,414 --> 00:55:10,639
He wrote to me saying I'm fired
and I kind of wrote back
1035
00:55:10,664 --> 00:55:13,110
and said, "No, I'm not,
because you can't do that."
1036
00:55:13,135 --> 00:55:15,440
We're trying to get on with
the football, which is why
1037
00:55:15,465 --> 00:55:17,210
I'm still here.
There's a job to be done.
1038
00:55:17,235 --> 00:55:19,960
There are big matches to be played.
That's where the focus should be.
1039
00:55:19,985 --> 00:55:21,639
This is a sideshow.
1040
00:55:21,664 --> 00:55:24,080
You look at what's happened
under Rick's leadership,
1041
00:55:24,105 --> 00:55:25,389
it's been a disaster.
1042
00:55:25,414 --> 00:55:29,080
We've fallen so far behind
the other top clubs.
1043
00:55:29,105 --> 00:55:31,490
I think the mistake
he made, which...
1044
00:55:32,775 --> 00:55:36,130
...wasn't very smart with hindsight,
he used the word "disaster"
1045
00:55:36,155 --> 00:55:38,030
on the Hillsborough anniversary.
1046
00:55:38,055 --> 00:55:40,130
That was not the wisest word to use.
1047
00:55:42,624 --> 00:55:45,080
Despite the infighting
off the pitch,
1048
00:55:45,105 --> 00:55:47,000
on it, Liverpool were flying.
1049
00:55:47,025 --> 00:55:48,639
By the end of 2008,
1050
00:55:48,664 --> 00:55:52,000
they were above Manchester United
at the top of the league.
1051
00:55:52,025 --> 00:55:56,310
But the facts were that the tension
was getting to everybody.
1052
00:55:56,335 --> 00:55:58,950
People talk about the rant
and the interview.
1053
00:55:58,975 --> 00:56:00,880
I'm sure that you will ask me
about that.
1054
00:56:00,905 --> 00:56:03,750
What do you make, though, of
Sir Alex Ferguson's comments
1055
00:56:03,775 --> 00:56:05,670
when he said Liverpool could choke?
1056
00:56:05,695 --> 00:56:07,130
I was surprised,
1057
00:56:07,155 --> 00:56:09,110
but I have to talk about facts.
1058
00:56:10,624 --> 00:56:13,800
I have my reasons —
I can tell you off the record —
1059
00:56:13,825 --> 00:56:16,920
but I knew 100% that I needed
to do something.
1060
00:56:16,945 --> 00:56:19,719
Only Mr Ferguson can talk
about the future, can talk
1061
00:56:19,744 --> 00:56:22,050
about referees,
can talk about all these things,
1062
00:56:22,075 --> 00:56:23,560
and nothing happens.
1063
00:56:23,585 --> 00:56:26,880
If he'd asked me in advance,
did I think it was a good idea,
1064
00:56:26,905 --> 00:56:29,560
I think I would've said,
"Rafa, I would leave it.
1065
00:56:29,585 --> 00:56:30,920
"| wouldn't do it."
1066
00:56:30,945 --> 00:56:33,240
He's the only manager in the league,
1067
00:56:33,265 --> 00:56:35,800
in the English league that cannot
be punished for these things.
1068
00:56:35,825 --> 00:56:38,719
And it was always Alex Ferguson
this, and Alex Ferguson that.
1069
00:56:38,744 --> 00:56:41,310
And he just went on and on!
1070
00:56:41,335 --> 00:56:43,310
I am talking about facts.
1071
00:56:43,335 --> 00:56:45,800
I am not talking about my
impressions. Things that everybody
1072
00:56:45,825 --> 00:56:48,519
can see every single week.
1073
00:56:48,544 --> 00:56:51,719
And then at the end
gave this lovely smile!
1074
00:56:51,744 --> 00:56:55,950
100%, I can tell you, check
what I said, and everything
1075
00:56:55,975 --> 00:56:58,639
what I said was spot-on.
1076
00:56:58,664 --> 00:57:02,080
You just imagine this picture of Sir
Alex with his feet on his desk
1077
00:57:02,105 --> 00:57:04,389
and having a nice glass of red,
thinking,
1078
00:57:04,414 --> 00:57:06,160
"Yeah, nice bit of work, that."
1079
00:57:10,825 --> 00:57:13,280
When we were going to Old Trafford,
1080
00:57:13,305 --> 00:57:16,440
there was a father with his son
and they have a banner,
1081
00:57:16,465 --> 00:57:17,849
"Rafa's cracking up."
1082
00:57:18,905 --> 00:57:21,360
And we beat them 1-4,
so we were not cracking up.
1083
00:57:21,385 --> 00:57:22,800
We were doing well.
1084
00:57:22,825 --> 00:57:25,920
But Manchester United,
they were doing better.
1085
00:57:32,335 --> 00:57:35,750
In a post-fact world,
Liverpool were brilliant —
1086
00:57:35,775 --> 00:57:38,200
they lost only one game
in the New Year.
1087
00:57:38,225 --> 00:57:40,839
But the actual fact
was that Manchester United
1088
00:57:40,864 --> 00:57:43,310
had too many games in hand.
1089
00:57:43,335 --> 00:57:46,200
Liverpool missed out
on the title again.
1090
00:57:47,585 --> 00:57:51,589
The good thing — by 2009,
at least we were contenders.
1091
00:57:51,614 --> 00:57:56,410
The worst thing of all was getting
to January, February and knowing
1092
00:57:56,435 --> 00:57:58,490
you couldn't beat United. That...
1093
00:58:00,265 --> 00:58:02,080
That... That was awful.
1094
00:58:03,905 --> 00:58:06,839
Fans had now had enough
of their American owners.
1095
00:58:06,864 --> 00:58:10,280
The huge loan repayments were
overshadowing everything.
1096
00:58:10,305 --> 00:58:13,310
Gillett and Hicks put
Liverpool up for sale.
1097
00:58:14,864 --> 00:58:17,519
It was chaos.
No-one knew what was happening.
1098
00:58:17,544 --> 00:58:20,490
And, of course, RBS keep upping
the ante by saying,
1099
00:58:20,515 --> 00:58:22,950
"The club can go bankrupt,
the club can go bankrupt."
1100
00:58:22,975 --> 00:58:27,280
I don't think the club was ever
in danger of going bankrupt.
1101
00:58:27,305 --> 00:58:31,000
Let's face it, if they would've sold
Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard,
1102
00:58:31,025 --> 00:58:33,560
they could've almost
balanced the books.
1103
00:58:38,155 --> 00:58:40,880
With the situation deteriorating,
Liverpool began
1104
00:58:40,905 --> 00:58:42,880
to lose key personnel.
1105
00:58:42,905 --> 00:58:46,560
Chief executive Rick Parry
had had enough and left.
1106
00:58:46,585 --> 00:58:51,360
Now it was time for Benitez
to go, by...mutual consent.
1107
00:58:51,385 --> 00:58:53,589
No, I don't think
that we need to talk
1108
00:58:53,614 --> 00:58:55,200
about what they promised to me.
1109
00:58:55,225 --> 00:58:57,030
It's just that
what they say publicly.
1110
00:58:57,055 --> 00:58:59,519
So you could see the new
stadium and all these things
1111
00:58:59,544 --> 00:59:02,560
that they said, and it's very
clear that it's over there.
1112
00:59:02,585 --> 00:59:04,560
So you can read the press
at this time
1113
00:59:04,585 --> 00:59:05,839
and then you will understand,
1114
00:59:05,864 --> 00:59:07,800
everybody will understand
that what they said
1115
00:59:07,825 --> 00:59:09,080
and what they did.
1116
00:59:14,544 --> 00:59:19,310
At that time,
the organisation was in freefall.
1117
00:59:19,335 --> 00:59:23,950
Roy came in, probably during that
most difficult period for the club.
1118
00:59:23,975 --> 00:59:27,480
In fairness to Roy Hodgson,
when he got the job,
1119
00:59:27,505 --> 00:59:29,200
the club was in limbo,
1120
00:59:29,225 --> 00:59:32,950
and I think he was appointed
as a safe pair of hands.
1121
00:59:32,975 --> 00:59:34,560
How we looking?
1122
00:59:34,585 --> 00:59:38,560
It's a bit disappointing that,
on your first day, it's matters
1123
00:59:38,585 --> 00:59:41,519
of money which take precedence,
really, over football matters,
1124
00:59:41,544 --> 00:59:43,920
you know. I took the job
because I wanted to be manager
1125
00:59:43,945 --> 00:59:45,920
of Liverpool Football Club.
1126
00:59:47,385 --> 00:59:51,360
Got him at first base, and the
Boston Red Sox can finally say it —
1127
00:59:51,385 --> 00:59:53,800
they are champions of the world!
1128
00:59:55,385 --> 00:59:58,560
Amidst the chaos
came some credibility.
1129
00:59:58,585 --> 01:00:02,030
John Henry's Fenway Sports Group
had taken the Boston Red Sox
1130
01:00:02,055 --> 01:00:06,440
to baseball's World Series
for the first time in 86 years.
1131
01:00:06,465 --> 01:00:10,160
Now they wanted to extend
their franchise to football.
1132
01:00:10,185 --> 01:00:12,839
A fan in the States
1133
01:00:12,864 --> 01:00:16,030
contacted John Henry to suggest
1134
01:00:16,055 --> 01:00:18,519
that the club was an asset
1135
01:00:18,544 --> 01:00:19,880
going on the cheap
1136
01:00:19,905 --> 01:00:23,000
and he should take a look at it.
1137
01:00:23,025 --> 01:00:25,920
There was talk at the time
of administration.
1138
01:00:25,945 --> 01:00:28,639
There... There... There...
1139
01:00:28,664 --> 01:00:31,440
There was a lot of concern
for this club.
1140
01:00:31,465 --> 01:00:36,440
But from our standpoint,
it was a sleeping giant.
1141
01:00:38,025 --> 01:00:39,920
CROWD CHANTS
1142
01:00:39,945 --> 01:00:44,080
FSG made an offer of £300 million
for the club.
1143
01:00:44,105 --> 01:00:48,080
The offer was rejected by Gillett
and Hicks, who wanted more money.
1144
01:00:48,105 --> 01:00:50,080
Hopefully, I'm hoping
the deal goes through.
1145
01:00:50,105 --> 01:00:52,360
They've had enough time now,
Hicks and that.
1146
01:00:52,385 --> 01:00:54,440
It's just a joke, what they've
done with the club.
1147
01:00:54,465 --> 01:00:57,080
As long as, I think, Gillett and
Hicks have gone, I think then it's
1148
01:00:57,105 --> 01:00:58,310
the start of a new era.
1149
01:00:58,335 --> 01:01:01,200
It's pretty understandable, isn't
it, that they're going to have one
1150
01:01:01,225 --> 01:01:04,140
last throw of the dice and try and
find a way of preserving something.
1151
01:01:04,165 --> 01:01:08,300
One last throw of the dice
just to go down, um...
1152
01:01:08,325 --> 01:01:11,580
...leaving an ever more
negative legacy.
1153
01:01:11,605 --> 01:01:15,430
But the Liverpool board
could overrule the American duo.
1154
01:01:15,455 --> 01:01:18,609
Now things turned really nasty.
1155
01:01:18,634 --> 01:01:20,460
There's some things
I can't talk about,
1156
01:01:20,485 --> 01:01:24,789
but what I would say is that there
were some very, very tough clays,
1157
01:01:24,814 --> 01:01:28,500
and not least when we got
sued for $1 billion each.
1158
01:01:30,125 --> 01:01:33,690
It ended up, sadly, in the court,
which, you know, I don't think
1159
01:01:33,715 --> 01:01:36,970
achieved anything for anyone,
and particularly for such a
1160
01:01:36,995 --> 01:01:40,020
longstanding organisation
like Liverpool Football Club,
1161
01:01:40,045 --> 01:01:41,460
it was quite sad.
1162
01:01:41,485 --> 01:01:43,739
It's been a bitter
and lengthy battle,
1163
01:01:43,764 --> 01:01:47,460
but tonight, Liverpool Football Club
is in new hands.
1164
01:01:47,485 --> 01:01:50,539
Tonight, amid jubilant scenes,
the Liverpool board
1165
01:01:50,564 --> 01:01:54,789
got what they wanted — a deal
with Henry worth £300 million,
1166
01:01:54,814 --> 01:01:57,100
and writing off the club's debts.
1167
01:01:57,125 --> 01:01:59,789
I am proud and humbled.
1168
01:01:59,814 --> 01:02:06,659
We have a lot of work to do,
and I can't tell you how happy I am
1169
01:02:06,684 --> 01:02:09,690
that we've finally,
finally got to this point.
1170
01:02:14,764 --> 01:02:17,300
I've got john Henry's autograph
and a picture of him.
1171
01:02:17,325 --> 01:02:18,659
What did he say to you?
1172
01:02:18,684 --> 01:02:21,789
He said... AMERICAN ACCENT:
.."You want to shake hands?"
1173
01:02:21,814 --> 01:02:24,180
After a long period of turmoil,
1174
01:02:24,205 --> 01:02:28,659
FSG were determined to get
Liverpool back on track quickly.
1175
01:02:28,684 --> 01:02:31,609
Results under Roy Hodgson
had not been good.
1176
01:02:31,634 --> 01:02:35,140
Their first task was to
remove him from his duties.
1177
01:02:35,165 --> 01:02:37,539
In his place came a familiar face.
1178
01:02:39,485 --> 01:02:43,690
If there's one person alive
today in the history
1179
01:02:43,715 --> 01:02:48,140
of Liverpool Football Club who
has the talent and the ability
1180
01:02:48,165 --> 01:02:50,690
and the personality to stop
1181
01:02:50,715 --> 01:02:53,580
that plate spinning and to bring
1182
01:02:53,605 --> 01:02:55,330
everybody back together,
1183
01:02:55,355 --> 01:02:58,460
Kenny, for me,
was the obvious choice.
1184
01:02:58,485 --> 01:03:01,739
We were unstable as an organisation,
1185
01:03:01,764 --> 01:03:06,739
and the fact is that, from that day
forward, he has been — continues
1186
01:03:06,764 --> 01:03:09,859
to be — someone that
the club rallies around.
1187
01:03:11,245 --> 01:03:15,180
I don't think anybody expected him
to stay for long.
1188
01:03:15,205 --> 01:03:19,020
I think it was perhaps only
a stopgap, but it was just...
1189
01:03:19,045 --> 01:03:22,460
...because you felt safe. You felt
safe with Kenny because his heart
1190
01:03:22,485 --> 01:03:25,970
was where your heart was
and so, you know, he was welcome.
1191
01:03:27,455 --> 01:03:30,220
Kenny got the job
for the second time.
1192
01:03:30,245 --> 01:03:34,070
It was a good move, because in many
ways it appeased the supporters.
1193
01:03:34,095 --> 01:03:35,659
There was a League Cup win
1194
01:03:35,684 --> 01:03:38,460
at Wembley, as well,
which is always good.
1195
01:03:40,325 --> 01:03:44,380
After so much difficult
and dark clays,
1196
01:03:44,405 --> 01:03:48,859
to be back as Liverpool Football
Club, winning a trophy and winning
1197
01:03:48,884 --> 01:03:52,140
it with, you know, with the King in
charge — it doesn't get any better,
1198
01:03:52,165 --> 01:03:54,180
to be honest.
1199
01:03:54,205 --> 01:03:57,859
The club had begun to heal,
but to return to the success
1200
01:03:57,884 --> 01:04:00,250
of the past, they were going
to have to turn their back
1201
01:04:00,275 --> 01:04:03,609
on tradition and rip up
the Liverpool rule book.
1202
01:04:04,995 --> 01:04:08,460
I don't think that
you can win in any sport
1203
01:04:08,485 --> 01:04:11,300
unless you attack every avenue
1204
01:04:11,325 --> 01:04:14,380
you have, to try to excel.
1205
01:04:14,405 --> 01:04:18,380
I was determined to see whether
or not it would be possible
1206
01:04:18,405 --> 01:04:20,779
to use data analysis to help.
1207
01:04:21,995 --> 01:04:25,710
Every aspect of the club
went under the microscope.
1208
01:04:25,735 --> 01:04:29,460
From diet, to player improvement,
to player purchases —
1209
01:04:29,485 --> 01:04:32,330
no stone was left unanalysed.
1210
01:04:32,355 --> 01:04:35,890
That was about bringing in
the right people who started to
1211
01:04:35,915 --> 01:04:41,380
develop our own sort of bespoke
analysis and scouting systems,
1212
01:04:41,405 --> 01:04:46,380
and it was more one of not
having a single individual
1213
01:04:46,405 --> 01:04:47,890
choosing the players.
1214
01:04:50,485 --> 01:04:54,020
The new way of working
also applied to managers.
1215
01:04:54,045 --> 01:04:56,820
It didn't take a data analyst
to figure out that league results
1216
01:04:56,845 --> 01:04:58,890
weren't great under Kenny.
1217
01:04:58,915 --> 01:05:02,460
Having unified the club,
his time came to an end.
1218
01:05:03,684 --> 01:05:08,580
Kenny gives me a hard time still
about that, but... And that's fine.
1219
01:05:09,965 --> 01:05:11,779
It was, of course, results.
1220
01:05:11,804 --> 01:05:16,500
And then I think also the ownership
wanted a different, you know,
1221
01:05:16,525 --> 01:05:19,659
a more... Let's call
it a more modern coach
1222
01:05:19,684 --> 01:05:21,350
with a more modern view.
1223
01:05:25,195 --> 01:05:28,420
I remember saying on the first day
Brendan arrived in Liverpool,
1224
01:05:28,445 --> 01:05:31,609
saying to him... We were waiting
to go to do the press conference.
1225
01:05:31,634 --> 01:05:34,500
I remember saying to him, you know,
just as somebody who grew up here,
1226
01:05:34,525 --> 01:05:38,380
like, don't underestimate
the size of this place.
1227
01:05:38,405 --> 01:05:41,170
You know, it's been 20 years
since they've won the title,
1228
01:05:41,195 --> 01:05:44,890
and for sure, and the realism is we
might not be ready for the title
1229
01:05:44,915 --> 01:05:48,170
now, but the process begins today
1230
01:05:48,195 --> 01:05:50,020
and it's a new cycle.
1231
01:05:50,045 --> 01:05:53,070
It was such a great learning
curve for me, Liverpool.
1232
01:05:53,095 --> 01:05:56,020
You understand the size
of Liverpool,
1233
01:05:56,045 --> 01:06:00,420
but you don't really, truly
understand until you're there.
1234
01:06:00,445 --> 01:06:03,690
Rodgers may have been a modern
manager, but there were early
1235
01:06:03,715 --> 01:06:07,659
tensions over transfer policy,
which led to a very public fallout
1236
01:06:07,684 --> 01:06:10,529
between the new coach and the board.
1237
01:06:10,554 --> 01:06:16,170
So this created this...this problem
which became one of the most
1238
01:06:16,195 --> 01:06:18,020
common headlines of the era.
1239
01:06:18,045 --> 01:06:20,580
You know, "Rodgers versus
the transfer committee."
1240
01:06:20,605 --> 01:06:24,609
And it was interesting, because
I don't remember a single time
1241
01:06:24,634 --> 01:06:27,739
in that process where
we had a player that we brought
1242
01:06:27,764 --> 01:06:32,300
to the table in those...in those
committee or group meetings
1243
01:06:32,325 --> 01:06:35,890
that we didn't all end up
agreeing on, mostly.
1244
01:06:35,915 --> 01:06:37,890
Despite a tricky start,
1245
01:06:37,915 --> 01:06:40,460
Rodgers began to mould a great side.
1246
01:06:40,485 --> 01:06:44,300
Steven Gerrard was still there,
along with a young Raheem Sterling.
1247
01:06:44,325 --> 01:06:46,859
But the player that spearheaded
the Rodgers revolution
1248
01:06:46,884 --> 01:06:49,580
was a controversial,
hungry Uruguayan —
1249
01:06:49,605 --> 01:06:51,250
Luis Suarez.
1250
01:06:51,275 --> 01:06:55,330
He was a dream to work with
because he had that commitment
1251
01:06:55,355 --> 01:06:59,140
and drive to be the very, very best,
and I think, in the two years
1252
01:06:59,165 --> 01:07:01,739
that we worked together,
his numbers proved that
1253
01:07:01,764 --> 01:07:03,739
we worked very well together.
1254
01:07:03,764 --> 01:07:09,380
COMMENTATOR: And Suarez's control
is absolutely sublime!
1255
01:07:11,085 --> 01:07:13,300
Great to watch.
1256
01:07:13,325 --> 01:07:15,140
Great fun.
1257
01:07:15,165 --> 01:07:19,220
Till he started biting people, and
then it all sort of went shipshape!
1258
01:07:19,245 --> 01:07:22,970
Going into the second season,
February on, when we were starting
1259
01:07:22,995 --> 01:07:26,220
to get a run, was first v second
when we played Arsenal.
1260
01:07:26,245 --> 01:07:28,690
It was just breathtaking football.
1261
01:07:28,715 --> 01:07:31,220
COMMENTATOR: Sturridge in
on goal for four!
1262
01:07:33,634 --> 01:07:37,350
I do feel that Brendan Rodgers
was almost the start,
1263
01:07:37,375 --> 01:07:41,609
the very start of a consistent
mounted challenge
1264
01:07:41,634 --> 01:07:43,799
and a consistently good team.
1265
01:07:46,295 --> 01:07:49,060
In 2014, you've got three
games left.
1266
01:07:49,085 --> 01:07:51,529
All you've got to do
is stay in front.
1267
01:07:57,045 --> 01:07:58,690
The Chelsea game at home,
1268
01:07:58,715 --> 01:08:00,220
we were so, so close.
1269
01:08:00,245 --> 01:08:02,380
It just felt like inches away.
1270
01:08:03,525 --> 01:08:05,250
COMMENTATOR: Oh, Gerrard slipped.
1271
01:08:05,275 --> 01:08:07,779
Ba on to it. Ba against Mignolet
here for Chelsea,
1272
01:08:07,804 --> 01:08:10,529
and Ba scores!
Chelsea have the lead!
1273
01:08:12,425 --> 01:08:15,629
Steven Gerrard slipping is not why
Liverpool didn't win the league.
1274
01:08:15,654 --> 01:08:18,659
You can't just blame it on that,
but of course people loved it,
1275
01:08:18,684 --> 01:08:22,970
that they could turn it on him
and use it against him.
1276
01:08:22,995 --> 01:08:27,020
How anyone can mention Steven
Gerrard and the first thing
1277
01:08:27,045 --> 01:08:29,970
that comes to your mind is,
"Oh yeah, slipping for the title."
1278
01:08:29,995 --> 01:08:33,739
I mean, the things that
that lad did for that club
1279
01:08:33,764 --> 01:08:38,100
and, I mean, it just... Honestly,
it just does my head in, really.
1280
01:08:39,634 --> 01:08:42,890
It was unfortunate, obviously,
what happened to Steven.
1281
01:08:42,915 --> 01:08:46,659
And for me, that was the... That
was the defining game, really.
1282
01:08:46,684 --> 01:08:49,300
COMMENTATOR: It's all about
forgetting the immediate past.
1283
01:08:49,325 --> 01:08:51,420
For Liverpool there can be
no more stumbles.
1284
01:08:51,445 --> 01:08:52,529
They have to win here
1285
01:08:52,554 --> 01:08:54,779
and hope Manchester City slip up.
1286
01:08:54,804 --> 01:08:57,100
Sterling. Suarez! It's three!
1287
01:08:59,445 --> 01:09:01,810
I think we were chasing
the goal difference,
1288
01:09:01,835 --> 01:09:06,380
and I made the point at half-time
in that game specifically that
1289
01:09:06,405 --> 01:09:09,520
I felt we were taking too much
risk in the game.
1290
01:09:09,545 --> 01:09:13,500
Up it goes to Glenn Murray, with
the chest on. Here's Gayle!
1291
01:09:13,525 --> 01:09:15,250
It's 3—3!
1292
01:09:15,275 --> 01:09:18,859
It's all gone wrong,
the title is disappearing!
1293
01:09:20,764 --> 01:09:22,250
We were great going forward.
1294
01:09:22,275 --> 01:09:25,450
We were just that bit
inconsistent defending.
1295
01:09:25,475 --> 01:09:28,100
I've got no doubt, if we'd
Virgil van Dijk in our back four
1296
01:09:28,125 --> 01:09:30,989
at that point, we would've
won the league.
1297
01:09:31,014 --> 01:09:36,679
In two games, the dream has vanished
into an unbelievable nightmare.
1298
01:09:38,855 --> 01:09:41,529
We were genuinely very,
very close to doing it.
1299
01:09:41,554 --> 01:09:44,020
But unfortunately,
destiny didn't take us there.
1300
01:09:44,045 --> 01:09:47,529
We just couldn't quite get
over the line.
1301
01:09:47,554 --> 01:09:51,300
Despite reaching two semifinals
the following season, Liverpool
1302
01:09:51,325 --> 01:09:53,739
were well off the pace
in the league.
1303
01:09:53,764 --> 01:09:57,330
The club, it seemed,
was in transition again.
1304
01:09:57,355 --> 01:10:00,529
We'd obviously lost Luis,
who was a talisman, and really
1305
01:10:00,554 --> 01:10:02,330
the team in terms of how we played.
1306
01:10:02,355 --> 01:10:06,970
So we spent two seasons in building
a model of intensity and aggression
1307
01:10:06,995 --> 01:10:09,380
and pressing and being creative.
1308
01:10:11,655 --> 01:10:14,940
Without Luis,
we never replaced that.
1309
01:10:14,965 --> 01:10:19,739
I don't think there was any huge
plan to sack Brendan Rodgers
1310
01:10:19,764 --> 01:10:21,970
when they did. We played Everton,
1311
01:10:21,995 --> 01:10:25,300
and in the press conference,
Rodgers said...
1312
01:10:25,325 --> 01:10:27,529
We have to build
something here again.
1313
01:10:27,554 --> 01:10:31,609
So it's going to take time,
whether that's me or someone else.
1314
01:10:31,634 --> 01:10:34,759
And while he was right,
Fenway believed that the players
1315
01:10:34,784 --> 01:10:39,890
that they'd brought in after Suarez
were capable of winning the league.
1316
01:10:46,014 --> 01:10:50,140
At the time, we kind of thought...
it seemed a little bit strange
1317
01:10:50,165 --> 01:10:53,380
and maybe a little bit harsh,
and then you think,
1318
01:10:53,405 --> 01:10:56,020
"Ah, yeah, BUT...
1319
01:10:56,045 --> 01:10:57,609
"..who came in his place?"
1320
01:10:59,745 --> 01:11:01,270
Hello.
1321
01:11:06,804 --> 01:11:11,340
We were on a family holiday
Lisbon, if I'm right.
1322
01:11:11,365 --> 01:11:15,060
I got a call from my agent
and he told me
1323
01:11:15,085 --> 01:11:17,970
about the interest of Liverpool.
1324
01:11:17,995 --> 01:11:20,500
So we had our plans in that time,
1325
01:11:20,525 --> 01:11:22,989
that moment, looked completely
different, actually,
1326
01:11:23,014 --> 01:11:27,450
because we wanted
to make more holiday.
1327
01:11:30,115 --> 01:11:32,090
And then I told my family
and the boys
1328
01:11:32,115 --> 01:11:34,659
were immediately like, "Yes!"
1329
01:11:34,684 --> 01:11:39,529
And I was looking in Ulla's eyes
and she was, "Uh, when?"
1330
01:11:46,754 --> 01:11:50,940
When you make such a big promise,
like I did after I left Dortmund —
1331
01:11:50,965 --> 01:11:54,300
we will have a year just for us —
1332
01:11:54,325 --> 01:11:57,370
and after four months, you come
around the corner with different
1333
01:11:57,395 --> 01:11:59,950
plans and you have to ask, at least.
1334
01:12:01,814 --> 01:12:04,900
I remember watching jurgen
in Dortmund when I was still
1335
01:12:04,925 --> 01:12:08,590
really a student of the game
and thinking, "That's the kind
1336
01:12:08,615 --> 01:12:10,510
"of football we want to play."
1337
01:12:10,535 --> 01:12:13,350
I think they called it
"heavy metal football".
1338
01:12:13,375 --> 01:12:16,460
When Mike Gordon called me
one day and said, "We're going
1339
01:12:16,485 --> 01:12:20,030
"to have a chance to meet
with jurgen in New York,"
1340
01:12:20,055 --> 01:12:22,310
to me that was one most exciting
phone calls I've got
1341
01:12:22,335 --> 01:12:25,530
during the ten years that
we've been with the club.
1342
01:12:27,635 --> 01:12:31,739
We met in New York in some law
offices and it was as secretive
1343
01:12:31,764 --> 01:12:33,180
as it could be.
1344
01:12:33,205 --> 01:12:38,869
And for whatever reason, we got away
with it, without it making the news.
1345
01:12:38,894 --> 01:12:42,230
I was pretty much on fire
from the first second —
1346
01:12:42,255 --> 01:12:44,100
they didn't have to
convince me, really.
1347
01:12:44,125 --> 01:12:46,390
Well, I'm a totally normal guy.
1348
01:12:46,415 --> 01:12:48,869
I'm the normal one,
maybe if you want this.
1349
01:12:48,894 --> 01:12:50,789
LAUGHTER
1350
01:12:52,564 --> 01:12:55,350
jurgen Klopp the manager
is a fantastic manager,
1351
01:12:55,375 --> 01:12:58,310
I think one of the best
in the world.
1352
01:12:58,335 --> 01:12:59,989
Jurgen is a perfect fit.
1353
01:13:00,014 --> 01:13:03,820
Leadership is a transfer of emotion,
1354
01:13:03,845 --> 01:13:05,789
and he does that well.
1355
01:13:05,814 --> 01:13:09,390
Jurgen Klopp the person
is what you see on TV.
1356
01:13:09,415 --> 01:13:13,710
You know, he's a very open,
funny, bubbly guy.
1357
01:13:13,735 --> 01:13:16,739
Sometimes he'll go shout
about something.
1358
01:13:16,764 --> 01:13:19,260
Even when you're scoring goals,
he scream.
1359
01:13:19,285 --> 01:13:21,890
Obviously he's the boss.
That's what he shows as well.
1360
01:13:21,915 --> 01:13:25,870
But you can always talk to him and
he will be there for you as well.
1361
01:13:25,895 --> 01:13:28,120
I think he gets the Scouse
humour, if you like.
1362
01:13:28,145 --> 01:13:29,839
The next one is...
1363
01:13:29,864 --> 01:13:31,509
Givin' it bifters.
1364
01:13:33,455 --> 01:13:36,509
I cannot act, the last thing
I can do is act, acting.
1365
01:13:36,534 --> 01:13:39,709
That's why I admire actors so much,
because I've no chance.
1366
01:13:39,734 --> 01:13:41,560
SCOUSE ACCENT: Givin' it bifters.
1367
01:13:41,585 --> 01:13:44,589
Anyone who spends any time with
Jurgen, however you feel when you go
1368
01:13:44,614 --> 01:13:47,070
into a room, when you come out
of it, you feel better.
1369
01:13:47,095 --> 01:13:49,250
I love it.
Unless he's shouting at you.
1370
01:13:49,275 --> 01:13:51,709
Despite the smiley demeanour,
he can be angry.
1371
01:13:51,734 --> 01:13:53,230
You wouldn't want to mess with him.
1372
01:13:53,255 --> 01:13:56,120
You know, he's always
up for the fight.
1373
01:13:56,145 --> 01:13:58,709
MUSIC: The Wizard by Black Sabbath
1374
01:14:01,375 --> 01:14:04,790
If I would see another person
doing what I do, I would think,
1375
01:14:04,815 --> 01:14:06,480
"Is he crazy?"
1376
01:14:06,505 --> 01:14:08,200
Well, he's fantastic.
1377
01:14:08,225 --> 01:14:11,639
I think he's like Shanks
in another form.
1378
01:14:11,664 --> 01:14:14,430
That relationship that a coach
1379
01:14:14,455 --> 01:14:18,589
has with the fans dates back
to the Shankly spirit.
1380
01:14:18,614 --> 01:14:22,120
Infectious. I think if you ask all
of the lads, they would say
1381
01:14:22,145 --> 01:14:25,400
the same thing, you know,
what he does for us as players,
1382
01:14:25,425 --> 01:14:27,639
as people, is incredible.
1383
01:14:27,664 --> 01:14:29,759
For me, life is completely
about relationships.
1384
01:14:29,784 --> 01:14:31,480
I don't want to live alone
on a mountain.
1385
01:14:31,505 --> 01:14:34,200
I want to inspire people.
I want to be inspired by people.
1386
01:14:34,225 --> 01:14:36,839
I want to love.
I want to be loved.
1387
01:14:36,864 --> 01:14:42,320
He's a large man with a large heart
and an incredible passion for doing
1388
01:14:42,345 --> 01:14:44,250
things the right way.
1389
01:14:44,275 --> 01:14:49,230
His charisma and his leadership,
and actually his way of working
1390
01:14:49,255 --> 01:14:51,560
has been a breath of fresh air.
1391
01:14:52,614 --> 01:14:55,790
The best word I can say that will
describe this was "boom!"
1392
01:14:55,815 --> 01:14:57,920
LAUGHTER
1393
01:14:57,945 --> 01:14:59,920
"W00! What was this?"
It was really good.
1394
01:15:01,375 --> 01:15:04,040
There was now a real buzz
around Liverpool.
1395
01:15:04,065 --> 01:15:07,870
It was just one part of Klopp's
master plan to reenergise the club
1396
01:15:07,895 --> 01:15:10,600
and create a proper
football culture.
1397
01:15:11,835 --> 01:15:16,480
I think he was trying to create
a special atmosphere not only
1398
01:15:16,505 --> 01:15:20,150
within Melwood
but within the whole club.
1399
01:15:20,175 --> 01:15:21,839
We played West Brom at home.
1400
01:15:21,864 --> 01:15:25,560
We scraped a 2-2 draw.
The end of the game,
1401
01:15:25,585 --> 01:15:27,480
Klopp went onto the pitch,
1402
01:15:27,505 --> 01:15:31,350
he got all the players together
and he applauded all the Kop.
1403
01:15:31,375 --> 01:15:33,680
And the next day
all the journos are going,
1404
01:15:33,705 --> 01:15:35,509
"Well, what was all that about?"
1405
01:15:35,534 --> 01:15:39,560
He said, "Look, if I cannot convince
my supporters, our own supporters,
1406
01:15:39,585 --> 01:15:44,200
"that we can score in the last few
minutes of a game, what's the point
1407
01:15:44,225 --> 01:15:46,280
"of being a manager?"
1408
01:15:46,305 --> 01:15:49,920
We could understand it, because he
was going on to us every single day
1409
01:15:49,945 --> 01:15:54,320
of what he wanted from our
mentality and the never giving up.
1410
01:15:54,345 --> 01:15:57,230
And I feel as though
that West Brom game,
1411
01:15:57,255 --> 01:16:00,280
the things that happened
within the game, he could see
1412
01:16:00,305 --> 01:16:02,430
that that mentality
was starting to change.
1413
01:16:02,455 --> 01:16:05,400
I didn't think about success —
not about the long—term success,
1414
01:16:05,425 --> 01:16:07,739
winning the trophy,
the title, whatever —
1415
01:16:07,764 --> 01:16:10,430
but I thought about, "How
can we improve the situation?"
1416
01:16:10,455 --> 01:16:13,440
So I had to remind the people maybe
that this is a fair business,
1417
01:16:13,465 --> 01:16:17,080
if you want. We give all on the
pitch and you have to give all
1418
01:16:17,105 --> 01:16:18,599
in the stands, as well.
1419
01:16:18,624 --> 01:16:22,130
We had a few
conversations about that!
1420
01:16:22,155 --> 01:16:25,000
Liverpool were fighting again,
the Klopp way —
1421
01:16:25,025 --> 01:16:27,490
high energy, high press“
1422
01:16:27,515 --> 01:16:29,360
The fans loved it.
1423
01:16:29,385 --> 01:16:31,610
And jurgen loved the fans.
1424
01:16:31,635 --> 01:16:33,690
Klopp epitomises what Scousers like.
1425
01:16:33,715 --> 01:16:37,560
They like the fact that,
you know, he shows that emotion
1426
01:16:37,585 --> 01:16:39,150
and he's connected with them.
1427
01:16:39,175 --> 01:16:42,519
Klopp straight away had become
a hero to the Liverpool fans,
1428
01:16:42,544 --> 01:16:44,610
especially with his antics
on the touchline
1429
01:16:44,635 --> 01:16:45,969
and the way he carries on.
1430
01:16:45,994 --> 01:16:48,490
You know, it's just he's
passionate through and through,
1431
01:16:48,515 --> 01:16:50,570
which is what the Liverpool fans
are looking for.
1432
01:16:50,595 --> 01:16:52,969
That's why we're up here now,
trying to get a glimpse!
1433
01:16:52,994 --> 01:16:55,130
We only come for Klopp.
1434
01:17:01,465 --> 01:17:04,160
I metjurgen in his office
at Melwood.
1435
01:17:05,465 --> 01:17:09,290
I hope he doesn't mind me
saying this, that his son came
1436
01:17:09,315 --> 01:17:13,610
over and watched a game
at Liverpool, went home and told his
1437
01:17:13,635 --> 01:17:17,050
dad, he said, "Oh, my gosh, Dad,"
he said, "the people of
1438
01:17:17,075 --> 01:17:20,880
"Liverpool, they're amazing, the way
they stick together, the support
1439
01:17:20,905 --> 01:17:23,290
"they give the families
of Hillsborough."
1440
01:17:23,315 --> 01:17:28,490
And he just said, "That was
one of the reasons why I came,
1441
01:17:28,515 --> 01:17:31,290
"because of the people,
the way they believe
1442
01:17:31,315 --> 01:17:36,539
"in what I believe in,
is fairness, justice."
1443
01:17:36,564 --> 01:17:39,590
And I thought that was
really nice of him.
1444
01:17:42,175 --> 01:17:46,710
The families of the 96 had spent
years fighting for the truth.
1445
01:17:46,735 --> 01:17:48,710
Inquests and inquiries were held,
1446
01:17:48,735 --> 01:17:52,150
but no sense of justice
was felt within the city.
1447
01:17:52,175 --> 01:17:56,100
In 2016, finally, a second inquiry
1448
01:17:56,125 --> 01:17:59,460
returned a conclusion
of unlawful killing.
1449
01:17:59,485 --> 01:18:02,659
Your loved ones
were unlawfully killed.
1450
01:18:02,684 --> 01:18:05,820
And, no, the fans were not to blame.
1451
01:18:05,845 --> 01:18:08,100
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
1452
01:18:11,975 --> 01:18:15,180
This was by no means the end,
but it was a result
1453
01:18:15,205 --> 01:18:18,739
that could in some way
start to heal the pain.
1454
01:18:21,894 --> 01:18:25,350
On the pitch, Liverpool were now
scoring goals for fun...
1455
01:18:25,375 --> 01:18:27,820
Mane!
1456
01:18:27,845 --> 01:18:31,630
...thanks to a new rock and roll
front three. While scoring goals
1457
01:18:31,655 --> 01:18:34,869
wasn't a problem,
stopping them still was.
1458
01:18:34,894 --> 01:18:40,630
Liverpool needed an organiser, and
they found it in Virgil van Dijk.
1459
01:18:40,655 --> 01:18:43,460
Virgil van Dijk on debut!
1460
01:18:44,535 --> 01:18:48,739
He made an immediate impact and
helped take them back to the final
1461
01:18:48,764 --> 01:18:50,510
of the Champions League.
1462
01:18:55,814 --> 01:18:58,820
They got to the final, and that gave
them a belief that they could get
1463
01:18:58,845 --> 01:19:01,630
there and compete.
But the next thing you've got to do
1464
01:19:01,655 --> 01:19:03,710
is get over the hump
and win the trophy.
1465
01:19:03,735 --> 01:19:06,739
Salah's gone down. Yeah.
That doesn't look too good.
1466
01:19:06,764 --> 01:19:09,230
He's got a blow in the face,
I think. Shoulder?
1467
01:19:09,255 --> 01:19:11,630
I don't know how to
describe it, but it's...
1468
01:19:11,655 --> 01:19:12,989
It was so sad for me.
1469
01:19:13,014 --> 01:19:17,180
It's, like, one of my
worst time in football.
1470
01:19:17,205 --> 01:19:21,590
Well, he's in tears because of
the pain and the agony of knowing
1471
01:19:21,615 --> 01:19:25,270
that he's about to leave
the Champions League final.
1472
01:19:25,295 --> 01:19:27,869
I don't know, I don't want to be
getting emotional with that,
1473
01:19:27,894 --> 01:19:30,020
but it was really bad.
1474
01:19:30,045 --> 01:19:33,539
Klopp never really
thought about goalkeepers
1475
01:19:33,564 --> 01:19:37,510
in his management career, but he
come to Liverpool and he inherited
1476
01:19:37,535 --> 01:19:40,989
a problem. So they persisted with
Mignolet. Lots of mistakes,
1477
01:19:41,014 --> 01:19:43,869
lots of errors.
Then they brought Karius in.
1478
01:19:43,894 --> 01:19:47,510
Ah! Oh! It's in! Thrown out
by Karius, and it's in the net!
1479
01:19:47,535 --> 01:19:50,430
A freak goal in
the Champions League final.
1480
01:19:50,455 --> 01:19:52,739
He cost them a Champions League.
1481
01:19:52,764 --> 01:19:54,739
Here's Bale shooting
from long range.
1482
01:19:54,764 --> 01:19:56,430
What a mistake by Karius.
1483
01:19:57,405 --> 01:20:00,350
At that point, Klopp goes,
"Enough is enough.
1484
01:20:00,375 --> 01:20:02,510
"We need a top-class goalkeeper."
1485
01:20:02,535 --> 01:20:04,869
They went and bought Alisson Becker.
1486
01:20:04,894 --> 01:20:06,539
It's so hard to get to that point.
1487
01:20:06,564 --> 01:20:10,710
And then if you can't, you can't
win the final match, particularly
1488
01:20:10,735 --> 01:20:14,380
the way I think we lost it,
that was hard.
1489
01:20:14,405 --> 01:20:17,430
But I rememberjurgen saying
at the time, "We'll be back,
1490
01:20:17,455 --> 01:20:19,020
"we'll be back,"
1491
01:20:19,045 --> 01:20:21,590
and damned if we weren't!
1492
01:20:21,615 --> 01:20:24,739
Klopp now had the Premier League
in his sights.
1493
01:20:24,764 --> 01:20:28,820
The target was to overcome incumbent
champions Manchester City,
1494
01:20:28,845 --> 01:20:30,789
who'd broken the 100—point barrier
1495
01:20:30,814 --> 01:20:32,950
for the first time
the previous season.
1496
01:20:32,975 --> 01:20:37,020
What ensued was one of the greatest
battles in sporting history.
1497
01:20:37,045 --> 01:20:38,869
Sterling to Sane...
1498
01:20:38,894 --> 01:20:40,539
Sane!
1499
01:20:42,095 --> 01:20:46,869
Liverpool lost just one game all
season — but it was against City,
1500
01:20:46,894 --> 01:20:51,300
who went on to win the league by
a single point on the final day.
1501
01:20:51,325 --> 01:20:56,100
Manchester City are there.
Premier League champions once more!
1502
01:20:57,325 --> 01:21:02,430
To finish the end of the season on
97 points and not win the league —
1503
01:21:02,455 --> 01:21:06,909
in fact, lose it by one point to
Manchester City — is incredible.
1504
01:21:06,934 --> 01:21:10,659
Yeah, it was obviously bitterly
disappointing. To have such
1505
01:21:10,684 --> 01:21:14,430
an incredible season
but just to come up short...
1506
01:21:15,405 --> 01:21:17,869
...was hard to take.
1507
01:21:17,894 --> 01:21:19,230
I enjoyed every bit of it.
1508
01:21:19,255 --> 01:21:21,940
And I know that after the Wolves
game, our last game of the season,
1509
01:21:21,965 --> 01:21:26,350
that I wanted to at least be
there again with the same amount
1510
01:21:26,375 --> 01:21:28,460
of points, and win the league.
1511
01:21:31,684 --> 01:21:34,460
Solace did come
in the Champions League.
1512
01:21:34,485 --> 01:21:36,460
The big European nights were back,
1513
01:21:36,485 --> 01:21:38,380
and now there was one that topped
1514
01:21:38,405 --> 01:21:42,430
them all. We came into Anfield
in the semifinals against Barcelona
1515
01:21:42,455 --> 01:21:44,020
down three to nothing.
1516
01:21:44,045 --> 01:21:48,630
To come back was an
extraordinary experience.
1517
01:21:48,655 --> 01:21:51,739
Oh! It's in! Ohhh, he's put it in!
1518
01:21:51,764 --> 01:21:57,020
It's Origi! Liverpool 4 Barcelona O!
1519
01:21:57,045 --> 01:22:00,150
The greatest European
comeback ever.
1520
01:22:00,175 --> 01:22:04,070
Well, we all know that magic happens
at Anfield. European nights
1521
01:22:04,095 --> 01:22:06,300
are just different at Anfield
to any other place.
1522
01:22:06,325 --> 01:22:07,989
Everybody was, like, crazy.
1523
01:22:08,014 --> 01:22:12,360
That's one of the best games
maybe in the history of football.
1524
01:22:16,945 --> 01:22:21,050
The final was an all-English affair
in Madrid. After the season
1525
01:22:21,075 --> 01:22:23,160
they'd had it was almost unthinkable
1526
01:22:23,185 --> 01:22:26,849
that Liverpool would
finish it empty-handed.
1527
01:22:26,874 --> 01:22:29,969
We were having dinner
before the game.
1528
01:22:29,994 --> 01:22:33,440
Then I think it was me,
Dejan, Bobby, Ali and Virge,
1529
01:22:33,465 --> 01:22:38,800
some big group, and Gini, and we
were talking, like, "We cannot lose
1530
01:22:38,825 --> 01:22:41,690
"two finals in a row.
It just doesn't work."
1531
01:22:41,715 --> 01:22:44,705
If you lost the Champions League,
no-one would remember you,
1532
01:22:44,730 --> 01:22:47,835
because in the end you won nothing.
You didn't win the Premier League,
1533
01:22:47,860 --> 01:22:50,906
didn't win the Champions League
two years in a row. It was crazy.
1534
01:22:50,931 --> 01:22:53,476
It was too much pressure,
to be honest.
1535
01:22:53,501 --> 01:22:55,546
Origi. Left—footed shot.
1536
01:22:55,571 --> 01:22:57,236
He's scored!
1537
01:22:57,261 --> 01:23:01,146
Origi makes it 2-0 to Liverpool.
1538
01:23:01,171 --> 01:23:03,786
I was never more relaxed
in a final than in this one —
1539
01:23:03,811 --> 01:23:06,705
OK, maybe because I lost
so many, I don't know.
1540
01:23:06,730 --> 01:23:10,625
But it was absolutely great,
what the boys did that night.
1541
01:23:11,860 --> 01:23:15,236
It's been a long wait for
jurgen Klopp's Liverpool
1542
01:23:15,261 --> 01:23:19,476
to find success, but they've
got there in the end,
1543
01:23:19,501 --> 01:23:23,146
and they've got there with
the biggest trophy of all.
1544
01:23:28,860 --> 01:23:31,875
To finally get over the line
was an amazing feeling.
1545
01:23:31,900 --> 01:23:33,875
Of course, relief
was in there, as well.
1546
01:23:33,900 --> 01:23:37,396
But the lads deserved it, you know,
and it was a matter of time.
1547
01:23:37,421 --> 01:23:40,396
Y'know, winning the Champions League
is a dream come true,
1548
01:23:40,421 --> 01:23:43,476
I think for all of us — for every
football player, every young player
1549
01:23:43,501 --> 01:23:47,875
that's, you know, out there.
I'll never forget Klopp on the bus
1550
01:23:47,900 --> 01:23:49,476
for the celebrations.
1551
01:23:49,501 --> 01:23:52,266
I thought he was going to
throw himself off at some point.
1552
01:23:52,291 --> 01:23:56,476
It was wonderful to see
just that sheer happiness.
1553
01:24:00,091 --> 01:24:02,066
The place was jumping,
1554
01:24:02,091 --> 01:24:04,596
but Liverpool stood still.
1555
01:24:04,621 --> 01:24:06,676
They made no signings of note.
1556
01:24:06,701 --> 01:24:10,196
There was a belief and confidence
that the squad was good enough
1557
01:24:10,221 --> 01:24:13,625
and consistent enough
to end that 30-year wait.
1558
01:24:17,571 --> 01:24:21,266
In the beginning of the season,
you want to win it so bad.
1559
01:24:21,291 --> 01:24:24,546
You want to achieve something
for the club, which...the main
1560
01:24:24,571 --> 01:24:26,426
target was the Premier League.
1561
01:24:26,451 --> 01:24:30,116
Can Liverpool become
the champions of England again?
1562
01:24:30,141 --> 01:24:33,755
Now, that is becoming
an age-old question.
1563
01:24:33,780 --> 01:24:34,786
Origi!
1564
01:24:34,811 --> 01:24:36,186
4-0.
1565
01:24:36,211 --> 01:24:38,266
Robertson. Cracker of a cross.
1566
01:24:38,291 --> 01:24:40,875
Brilliant Salah header.
1567
01:24:40,900 --> 01:24:43,516
When you beat Man City, it gives
you more confidence, as well,
1568
01:24:43,541 --> 01:24:46,505
that you beat the champion.
We've had the odd game or two
1569
01:24:46,530 --> 01:24:49,835
where we've not been brilliant
and we're still winning.
1570
01:24:49,860 --> 01:24:54,396
The outcome always seems to be
the same. Liverpool win.
1571
01:24:54,421 --> 01:24:57,505
And this machine that was Liverpool
was just rolling
1572
01:24:57,530 --> 01:25:00,705
and rolling and rolling.
I think by December, the players
1573
01:25:00,730 --> 01:25:03,676
knew that they were
going to win the league.
1574
01:25:03,701 --> 01:25:06,755
Trent Alexander—Arnold! It's four!
1575
01:25:06,780 --> 01:25:10,396
I think consistency comes
from mentality — when you keep
1576
01:25:10,421 --> 01:25:13,705
winning then there's
no reason to change.
1577
01:25:13,730 --> 01:25:16,755
We have a saying, as well, that
we use, that we defend together
1578
01:25:16,780 --> 01:25:20,875
and we attack together, and that's
the mentality throughout the team.
1579
01:25:20,900 --> 01:25:23,596
They are such a good team
at the minute.
1580
01:25:23,621 --> 01:25:25,596
Salah charges towards him...
1581
01:25:25,621 --> 01:25:27,986
...to score!
1582
01:25:28,011 --> 01:25:31,516
I was excited after the goal,
and the celebration from the fans
1583
01:25:31,541 --> 01:25:34,875
was crazy, and it was
really special for everybody.
1584
01:25:36,501 --> 01:25:40,236
And then we were, like,
all these points ahead, easily.
1585
01:25:41,701 --> 01:25:42,705
And then...
1586
01:25:44,571 --> 01:25:48,625
Coronavirus is the biggest threat
this country has faced for decades.
1587
01:25:48,650 --> 01:25:52,316
The virus CAN be passed
from human to human.
1588
01:25:52,341 --> 01:25:54,825
You must stay at home.
1589
01:25:54,850 --> 01:25:58,426
Sport has simply never seen anything
quite like this. ..event after event
1590
01:25:58,451 --> 01:26:00,676
being cancelled the world over.
1591
01:26:00,701 --> 01:26:04,066
And ultimately, this season
has to be simply abandoned.
1592
01:26:04,091 --> 01:26:06,705
People say they're cancelling
the league. Some people are saying,
1593
01:26:06,730 --> 01:26:08,396
"You cannot play any more."
1594
01:26:08,421 --> 01:26:12,875
It was stress somehow and everybody
maybe started to panic.
1595
01:26:12,900 --> 01:26:16,236
I was home during that time
with the family.
1596
01:26:16,261 --> 01:26:20,825
They had that time before,
so I was using it to enjoy it.
1597
01:26:20,850 --> 01:26:24,316
Football fans everywhere
felt the pain of lockdown.
1598
01:26:25,451 --> 01:26:29,346
But Liverpool's fans and players
had the extra anxiety of wondering
1599
01:26:29,371 --> 01:26:33,186
if, after all this time, the title
was going to be snatched
1600
01:26:33,211 --> 01:26:36,316
from their grasp.
It would have been awful,
1601
01:26:36,341 --> 01:26:39,186
one, to have it void, but it
wouldn't have been the same
1602
01:26:39,211 --> 01:26:42,316
if people had just said,
"Well, you can have it."
1603
01:26:42,341 --> 01:26:45,906
It was tough, as well, for you
to think after that long season
1604
01:26:45,931 --> 01:26:47,516
and after that year
1605
01:26:47,541 --> 01:26:51,476
they're going to cancel the
Premier League again. That's bad!
1606
01:27:01,061 --> 01:27:03,346
30 years of turmoil,
1607
01:27:03,371 --> 01:27:06,426
of agony, of underachieving,
1608
01:27:06,451 --> 01:27:11,705
of hope and of desperately
wondering when — if ever —
1609
01:27:11,730 --> 01:27:14,426
it was going to happen again.
1610
01:27:14,451 --> 01:27:18,116
Liverpool are almost there.
They will be champions
1611
01:27:18,141 --> 01:27:22,516
if Manchester City fail to win
at Chelsea tomorrow.
1612
01:27:22,541 --> 01:27:25,705
The manager obviously organised
for us to watch it all together,
1613
01:27:25,730 --> 01:27:28,516
which, looking back,
was a very good decision.
1614
01:27:32,261 --> 01:27:35,116
In the 90th minute, I was still...
I was still watching.
1615
01:27:35,141 --> 01:27:38,266
I just wanted the whistle to go
because I'd been so close
1616
01:27:38,291 --> 01:27:41,156
so many times before that you just
never know what can happen in
1617
01:27:41,181 --> 01:27:44,516
football. So when that final whistle
went and we became champions,
1618
01:27:44,541 --> 01:27:48,516
it was an incredible feeling,
and very emotional for all of us.
1619
01:27:49,491 --> 01:27:54,596
Liverpool's 30-year wait
comes to an end today.
1620
01:27:54,621 --> 01:27:56,466
Come on!
1621
01:27:56,491 --> 01:27:59,926
To be with the team—mates
in that time is something special.
1622
01:27:59,951 --> 01:28:02,775
Liverpool have become
the Premier League champions.
1623
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:07,006
They've won their first English
top-flight title since 1990.
1624
01:28:08,471 --> 01:28:11,536
It's strange, of course, because you
can't celebrate it with the fans,
1625
01:28:11,561 --> 01:28:14,056
but I think the feeling
of looking back and thinking
1626
01:28:14,081 --> 01:28:16,616
what I've achieved
in my career so far,
1627
01:28:16,641 --> 01:28:19,696
you know, I think that feeling
would probably be the same,
1628
01:28:19,721 --> 01:28:22,645
but the celebration obviously
would be totally different.
1629
01:28:22,670 --> 01:28:26,336
I cried a lot that night,
which I don't do a lot.
1630
01:28:26,361 --> 01:28:29,056
But, obviously, I realised in
that moment how much it meant
1631
01:28:29,081 --> 01:28:33,806
to me, as well, and was big,
is big, and will be big forever.
1632
01:28:35,231 --> 01:28:38,895
The Premier League is the most
difficult league in the world
1633
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:42,806
and the most difficult challenge
that I've ever faced.
1634
01:28:43,870 --> 01:28:49,536
It's so weird to be lifting
the trophy up on 96 points —
1635
01:28:49,561 --> 01:28:52,136
a point for every one
of them who died.
1636
01:28:53,111 --> 01:28:56,136
Some things are just meant to be,
and I'm sure every single one of
1637
01:28:56,161 --> 01:28:59,176
them were looking over us
on that night.
1638
01:28:59,201 --> 01:29:02,416
In this moment — for just a moment —
1639
01:29:02,441 --> 01:29:07,176
all of the emotions that had built
up over the years were set free.
1640
01:29:10,951 --> 01:29:14,975
When I come to Liverpool, that was
the one trophy I wanted to win.
1641
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:17,616
To finally do it and be a part
of it is an incredible feeling,
1642
01:29:17,641 --> 01:29:19,336
and I'm incredibly proud
to be a part
1643
01:29:19,361 --> 01:29:21,895
of this football club
and this football team.
1644
01:29:22,951 --> 01:29:27,336
Liverpool Football Club were
finally League Champions again —
1645
01:29:27,361 --> 01:29:30,056
a title 30 years in the making.
1646
01:29:30,081 --> 01:29:33,645
I came, but I didn't
make a revolution.
1647
01:29:33,670 --> 01:29:37,086
I just wanted to have
a sort of evolution.
1648
01:29:41,670 --> 01:29:43,696
It's really a sense of proud
1649
01:29:43,721 --> 01:29:46,486
that you have been part
of this massive club.
1650
01:29:50,591 --> 01:29:52,895
30 years. It's been
a hell of a long time.
1651
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:55,616
We went very close, and I only wish
that we could have done it,
1652
01:29:55,641 --> 01:29:58,416
but at least they haven't
had to wait too long.
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As a story in football, it doesn't
come any better than that, does it?
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Liverpool did it, and that's all
because of you, and that's why
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we all, together,
deserve it this year.
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