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Every day, children all
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across America wake
up and go to school.
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It's something most
of us have done.
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It's something most of
our parents have done.
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We go to school to learn.
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To be educated.
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To become good citizens
of the world.
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But is it still working?
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The nature of
the school itself,
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it's this thing that's removed.
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It's an institution,
it's bureaucratic
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and I don't necessarily think
that it is capable of education.
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Because it can't
embrace everyone's needs.
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Are schools keeping
up with the times?
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We need to embrace the
fact that there's technology.
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That the role of the teacher
needs to change dramatically.
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In a world where I can
pull out my smart phone
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and Google anything I want.
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I don't need to have a
teacher telling me facts.
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What I need is a guide helping
me to apply that knowledge.
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Most of us have been
indoctrinated to believe
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that schools are natural.
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It's like, how can you learn
if you don't go to school?
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The idea that kids are
this entire human being
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and are interacting
with the world.
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Not just a teacher
in a classroom,
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is still new to so many adults.
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Learning is not the
result of teaching.
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Learning is the result of
the activity of learners.
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We're just completely
trapped in this idea
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that children only
learn if they're taught.
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In ancient times
when we were born,
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we came into the
world, we just lived.
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We lived and learned, and
the two weren't separated.
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Living and learning are
the exact same thing.
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There are two
essential ways of looking
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at the way children learn.
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One of them is that you
have to force them to learn.
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I tell you right
now, that unless you get
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over your lazy habits.
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Come up to the standards
I've set for this class.
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Many of you will
have the pleasure
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of repeating this
course next semester.
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The other one is that
children are natural learners.
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If you accept the idea that
they're natural learners,
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then we're not talking
about reform.
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We're talking about an
entirely different way
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of approaching things.
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[ Alarm Clock ]
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Ana, It's time to get up.
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I've never liked
waking up early.
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Or not being able to do
things in the morning.
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Lily, it's time
to get up, sweetie.
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School's like something
that I always dread going to.
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Because you're going to
be stuck in a classroom,
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sitting there for
hours and hours.
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Ana, are you ready?
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We're going to be late!
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School's about to start.
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Have you eaten anything?
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No.
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You don't have
time for breakfast.
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I'll make you some toast.
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We have to leave in
like two minutes.
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Mom.
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Lily, how about you?
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Do you think you should have
had this done last night?
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No.
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Go put your shoes on.
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You're going to have to
finish that at school.
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Mom!
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Here's your breakfast Ana.
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Toast and water.
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When we moved to Los Angeles
we did a lot of research
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about where the best
schools were.
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And we moved to the town that
we're in, because it had some
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of the best schools
in the state.
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It's a lot more expensive
to live in this little town,
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than we could've gotten
in outlying communities.
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But the education was
really important to us.
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Well, the thing about school
is, basically you go to school.
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And you can hang out with
your friends for five minutes.
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And then the bell rings
and you go to class.
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You read out of the textbook.
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You answer questions
in your workbook.
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And then you take a test on it.
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And it's basically the same
thing every single day.
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Like, there's nothing different.
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You just get sick of it.
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I love the idea of school.
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It's a great concept, in theory.
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We're all going to go and
learn about important things.
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But the truth was,
there wasn't a lot
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of learning that was going on.
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The biggest challenge
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that public education is facing
today is doing things the same
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old way.
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We're kind of tinkering
around the edges.
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Changing things here and there.
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But we really need a dramatic
shift in what happens in school.
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We don't need to have everyone
come together at the same time,
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at the same place,
to hear a lecture.
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Kids should be able to move
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at different rates,
at different times.
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And there's really no need for
us to continue grouping kids
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by date of manufacture.
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Kids should be grouped by what
they learn, what they love,
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at the rate they learn and love.
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Allowing children to follow
their natural curiosity is a
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concept that threatens
long-held beliefs
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about how children's
education should be tracked.
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I understand taking
tests aren't fun.
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Too bad [laughter].
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We need to know in America.
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We need to know whether
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or not children have
got the basic education.
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On January the 8th, 2002,
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then President George
W. Bush signed,
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No Child Left Behind, into law.
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Which imposed frequent
standardized testing on students
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as a means of measuring
every one of them.
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NCLB stated that by 2014,
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100% of students must
perform at grade level.
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When the first incarnation of
No Child Left Behind came out.
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I said, okay, well, this
will be like the other ones.
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It'll kind of go over
two or three years.
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And people will realize
it's a stupid idea,
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and it will go away.
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And now, a dozen years
have gone by, or more.
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And it's still there.
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A decade of evidence shows
that NCLB has failed miserably.
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It has neither significantly
increased academic performance,
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nor reduced achievement gaps.
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Even as measured by
standardized exams.
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And so-called reforms, such
as the recently adopted Common
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Core Standards.
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Have turned many
schools into little more
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than test preparation factories.
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The greatest obstacle
to reforming Ed.
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is the testing, really.
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It's impossible in
the current climate,
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to engage in innovative
practices.
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When everyone is pushed to the
same standard, which is measured
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in the same way by
outdated tests.
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And we talk about
differentiating instruction.
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Yet we have a one-size-fits
all standardized test.
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I just find it shocking
that we live
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in a country that's imposing
something upon children.
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That educators know is wrong.
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Parents know is wrong.
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Children know is wrong.
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Even our president
knows it's wrong.
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Yet we're still doing it.
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I went through public
education like most of us.
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And I really struggled
through it.
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I mean, I'm a creative type.
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I got in trouble
in school a lot.
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I mean, while other people were
doing their normal school work,
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I was drawing.
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One time, there was
a timed math test.
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And I had some drawings
I wanted to do.
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So I drew all over my test.
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And I just got in so much
trouble because, you know,
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I should be doing
math, it was math time.
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Our kids just come home
grumpy, over-worked.
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And the craziest
amount of busy-homework.
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I actually told -- I got in
a little trouble for this.
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But, I told them to quit
doing their homework.
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It was really just busy work.
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We take children at
their most productive time.
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When they are so creative.
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When they have incredible
imaginations.
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When they are even visionary.
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They can see the possibilities.
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Kids can do that.
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And we take them and when
we institutionalize them
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and tell them they have
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to do standardized
curriculum all day long.
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It makes them angry.
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You know, and then we have
these angry young people
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running around.
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You know, because they're
not allowed to blossom.
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We need to really question
what we're doing there.
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Because I think kids could
solve a lot of our problems.
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If we just believed in their
ability and talent to do it.
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And if we just supported them.
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Hi Daddy.
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Hi.
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How are you?
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Good. Long time, no see.
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Yeah. I usually have Ana
and Lily on the weekends.
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They spend time here.
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They've helped me out a lot.
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Like, just putting
things back in folders,
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or running things
around the office.
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So what are you looking
for right there?
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It's chart number 42738.
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I remember being really
excited about school.
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And being really
excited to like,
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go through those same
passages, or whatever.
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That my brothers and
sisters had gone through.
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But I think I liked the
social aspect a lot better
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than the actual sit
down and write a story
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or read a book aspect of it.
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But, I remember enjoying
school a lot.
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What homework
are you working on?
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Something.
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Do you have to
have a square for it?
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She was so excited to
learn when she was little.
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And I've seen it plummet
over the last year or two.
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Just not interested anymore.
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Not interested in
the same things
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that she had been
when she was younger.
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Not interested in the new things
that were being introduced.
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It just, she just
wasn't excited about it.
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How was school today?
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School.
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Some people were
being annoying.
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One day on the way home
from school, Ana said, "Mom,
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can I please be homeschooled?"
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And my heart stopped.
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Like, I didn't even
know where it came from.
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I feel like I'm not
getting as high of scores.
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And it's not as interesting
anymore.
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It really made
me start to think
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and question what we were doing.
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And made me wonder about what
other alternatives there were.
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I knew a few people
that homeschooled.
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But I was not going
to go that route.
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Do you think it's
possible to enjoy school
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with a different
attitude about it?
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Do you think there are some
people who do enjoy school?
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Yeah.
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Are they doing something
different than you're doing?
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I don't know.
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And there was part
of me that thought,
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every kid in America has to do
these hard things every day.
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Go to school.
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Why do you get to be different?
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Can you just think about it?
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Yeah, I can think about it.
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I started to seriously
discuss with Thomas and Todd,
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the possibility of pulling
the girls out of school.
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I thought, you know I'm not
going to do anything rash.
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I'll go talk to the principal.
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So we went in there and
we told her our concerns.
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And you got to understand too,
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this is one of the
best public schools.
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We actually picked El
Segundo because, like,
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the public schools are
considerably better
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than other schools
in the L.A. area.
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So I just talked to her
about this whole laundry list
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of concerns that I had.
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And told her that I was
considering some possibilities.
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So we're in this meeting,
and she was a little shocked.
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Because she's like, hold on,
this is the best we have.
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And you're like, and you're
saying it's not good enough.
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And that's what we were saying.
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My kids don't know
where they're going.
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They're not enjoying learning.
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I mean, kids love to learn.
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She agreed that there
are a lot of problems
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within the public school system.
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But it's an old institution.
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And they're working to make
changes to make it better.
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But, they're not going
to happen overnight.
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We're talking about
our kids' lives here.
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We cannot wait for you guys.
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We can't wait for you
guys to get it together.
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She told me that if she
could wave a magic wand
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and make everything
all better, she would.
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We both really appreciated
everything she had to say.
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There was one little
sentence in there though.
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She told me she absolutely does
not recommend homeschooling.
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And that caught me.
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I was curious to know
what her reason was.
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But I didn't want it to
influence my decision.
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So I didn't ask why.
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As we drove home
from the meeting,
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I still wasn't really sure
what we were going to do.
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And I was pretty terrified.
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Rejecting the
system of education
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that most people
consider fundamental
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to a child's intellectual,
social, and civic development.
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Is a very difficult
choice that more
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and more American parents
are choosing to face.
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Well, I started out
homeschooling my oldest.
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Because he really didn't fit
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into the public school system
well, and was very unhappy.
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Which was really
upsetting to me.
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I didn't understand how a
kid that was so curious.
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And loved to learn so much,
could be so miserable at school.
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And I just kind of out of
desperation, pulled him out.
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I was told that they
really couldn't help him
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for what his needs were.
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You know it seemed that
he didn't fit the middle
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of the bell curve.
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You know, he would
perform at both ends.
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And they weren't quite
sure what to do with that.
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One of my favorite
things is you get a lot
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of hands on learning.
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And you get to pick
your learning styles.
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And you get to pick
your classes.
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And you get to be a
little bit more free
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than being in a school.
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He would go to
school and it was
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like taking three steps back.
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But I was always tiptoeing, you
know, around pulling him out.
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Even the third grade was, the
third grade work was too easy.
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So then, I went to homeschool
so I could get more hard math.
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So far he's loved it.
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One of the primary
reasons that, you know,
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we chose to homeschool is.
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Do I want to send my kids
off for half of their life?
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You know, their half of their
awake life, with somebody else?
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See, that's the
part that you lose.
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You lose that connection
with your parent
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when you go to school.
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The parent loses
it with the child
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and the child loses
it with the parent.
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And where do you make it up?
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There was no way that I was
going to put them in a system
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that I had seen failing
children over and over again.
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So I decided to do it myself.
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You can create a customized
situation that fits any family.
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I had to do it.
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And when I thought,
oh, I can't homeschool.
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I'm a single mom.
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Like, that's impossible.
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How would I possibly do that?
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If you open up your
mind a little bit,
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there's resources available
to you and to your family.
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That you might not even
know that you have.
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After Ana told
me that she wasn't
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as a good of a student anymore.
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And I started considering the
possibility of pulling them
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out of the school,
something else happened.
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I hadn't finished
some of my homework.
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So I got something
called a homework alert.
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Basically, what homework
alert is,
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is if you don't get it signed
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by the next day,
you get a detention.
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Ana is such a good kid.
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She does not do anything wrong.
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She has never been in
trouble in her whole life.
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I couldn't talk for a second.
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Like, I didn't want to
talk, because I didn't want
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to run the risk of
crying or anything.
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It broke my heart.
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And I just thought,
she did the homework.
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She's supposed to
do the homework
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to learn something, right?
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She forgot to turn it in.
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I get that.
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But the purpose of
education is to learn.
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She learned what she
was supposed to learn.
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She just didn't turn it in.
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And I actually wrote an email
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to the principal
and to the teacher.
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And just said, do we
really have to do this?
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And they both wrote
back and said yes.
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What really struck, me was
that the system of school,
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the bureaucracy of
school, was really getting
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in the way of learning.
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Rachel, thank you very much
for your insight and comments.
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I hear what you're saying, and
I understand your frustration.
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That was one of the last
nails in the coffin.
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I just thought, I don't think
we buy into this anymore.
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[ Phone Ringing ]
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Hi there. I have a
question for you.
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I need to un-enroll my
kids from the school.
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Can you tell me what
that process is?
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What I need to do?
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I was a little bit nervous,
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because I didn't know
what we were going to do.
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It was like I kind of
leapt before I looked.
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I had to turn in all their books
and sign a couple of forms.
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And while I was there,
I saw the principal
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out of the corner of my eye.
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And I was kind of nervous.
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Because I knew that, you know,
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what her thoughts were
about homeschooling.
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And she saw me and
approached me.
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And asked, so what
did you guys decide?
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What are you going to do?
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And I said, well, we're
going to homeschool.
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She didn't say anything else,
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but her facial expression
said everything.
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And then I left.
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Got in the car.
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We drove home, we
were done with school.
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It was like, so liberating,
you know.
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Like, we had discovered
this little secret
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that no one else knew.
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That we didn't actually have
to be compliant and obedient
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to this system that
wasn't serving us.
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The house crickets are
part of the true crickets.
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Anyone know what
those, that family is?
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There's nothing secret
about homeschooling.
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It's been around for
thousands of years.
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But it started regaining
attention in the '60's.
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Babies come into the world
extraordinarily curious,
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eager to learn.
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Extraordinarily resourceful
and competent at learning.
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That they are in the
most literal sense
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of the word, scientists.
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They do exactly what
scientists do.
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They use the scientific
method in making sense
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of the world around them.
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And then they get
to a certain age,
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which may be as young as three.
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But in any case,
the age of school.
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And this process is
turned off by adults
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who think they are
now going to direct
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and control the learning
of these children.
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They treat them like
an empty receptacles
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into which they are going
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to pour whatever learning
they think they ought to have.
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In 1964, John Holt, an Ivy
League graduate and a teacher
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in alternative schools.
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Published his first book,
"How Children Fail."
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In which he lays the
blame for the failure
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of schoolchildren squarely on
the compulsory school system.
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Not surprisingly, "How
Children Fail" was
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extremely controversial.
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And John Holt was soon famous
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for rattling the American
national consciousness.
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Perhaps no one knows
more about John Holt
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and his work than Pat Farenga.
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Here at his office in
Boston, Massachusetts,
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Pat keeps John Holt's
legacy alive.
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I got involved with
John Holt in 1981.
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We were talking and then,
you know, so he asked me.
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So what do you want
to do with your life?
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And so, I told him, you
know, the honest truth.
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Which was that I was
thinking of being a teacher.
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And he said, why?
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And I said, because I like
working with children.
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And he took his glasses
off and he looked at me.
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And he said, Pat, if you become
a teacher, you're not going
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to work with children.
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You're going to work
on children.
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And I couldn't believe it.
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What are you saying?
448
00:21:36,295 --> 00:21:39,036
And before I could start
my argument, he said,
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have you read any of my books?
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I said, no.
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He said, well, start.
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So at that time his book, "Teach
Your Own" had just come out.
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So I figured, let me
start with that one.
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I couldn't get into it.
455
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By the second chapter I
was pulling my hair out,
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thinking this guy is crazy.
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Who's going to teach your own?
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This is nuts.
459
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And so I remember
talking to Peggy,
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Peg Durkee [assumed spelling],
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his business manager
at the time.
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00:22:01,015 --> 00:22:02,364
And she said, well,
why don't you start
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with his first book,
"How Children Fail."
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So I read "How Children Fail."
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And it made sense to me.
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I got it. And then I
was able to engage John
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in all these conversations.
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By the mid-seventies,
Holt had officially given
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up on reforming schools.
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And instead, turned
his attention
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to a movement he had been
previously unaware of.
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Homeschooling.
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John hit a nerve.
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No one knew that all these
people were out there.
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And once he realized that
these parents from all
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around the country
were doing it,
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but not in touch
with one another.
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He started, "Growing
Without Schooling" magazine.
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First issue was August, 1977.
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"Growing Without Schooling"
magazine helped bring together
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homeschoolers from
all over the country.
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And was the only resource at the
time that dealt with the needs
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of secular homeschoolers.
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Either you were a
fundamentalist Christian,
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00:22:50,586 --> 00:22:53,459
or you were a crunchy
granola person.
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Those were the people
who homeschooled back
487
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when I began homeschooling.
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I have seen a lot of shifts
in the homeschooling movement
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over the last few decades.
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Today, no matter where you
slice the American pie,
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you will see homeschoolers
sticking out of it.
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In 1980, homeschooling
was illegal in 30 states.
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Now it's legal in all 50.
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And the number of
homeschoolers is growing.
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Between 1999 and
2012, the percentage
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of children being
homeschooled has doubled.
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Despite this growing trend,
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there are many misperceptions
about homeschooling.
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The general public's
conceptualization
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of homeschooling is, your kids
stay at home all the time.
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And you break out a book
and start lecturing to them,
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and teaching them everything.
503
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Homeschooling happens
like, pretty much everywhere.
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00:23:47,774 --> 00:23:53,170
Like in the car, at the grocery
store, on vacation, at home.
505
00:23:53,170 --> 00:23:54,781
Everywhere.
506
00:23:54,781 --> 00:23:56,565
There's so much that the
public doesn't understand
507
00:23:56,565 --> 00:24:03,267
about homeschooling.
508
00:24:03,267 --> 00:24:05,269
So, what do you
think alternatives are?
509
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:07,446
Have you heard about
homeschooling, for instance?
510
00:24:07,446 --> 00:24:09,056
Do you think that's a
viable option for people?
511
00:24:09,056 --> 00:24:11,319
For people who can afford it.
512
00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:14,061
Do you think homeschooling
is expensive?
513
00:24:14,061 --> 00:24:16,237
Yeah. Time consuming.
514
00:24:16,237 --> 00:24:18,369
When I say the word
homeschooling, what images sort
515
00:24:18,369 --> 00:24:22,243
of come to mind for you?
516
00:24:22,243 --> 00:24:25,376
Sitting around a
kitchen table and, you know,
517
00:24:25,376 --> 00:24:27,553
the parents giving the lessons.
518
00:24:27,553 --> 00:24:29,163
Structured lessons.
519
00:24:29,163 --> 00:24:31,557
A parent kind of going
through a curriculum
520
00:24:31,557 --> 00:24:35,299
and teaching their kid, you
know, whatever grade level.
521
00:24:35,299 --> 00:24:37,824
Actually, I think of a
really lonely, isolated child,
522
00:24:37,824 --> 00:24:39,086
to be honest with you.
523
00:24:39,086 --> 00:24:42,393
You need three
parents for that.
524
00:24:42,393 --> 00:24:44,787
Are the parents
that are homeschooling,
525
00:24:44,787 --> 00:24:46,180
I would assume it's
a parent or someone.
526
00:24:46,180 --> 00:24:47,573
Are they certified?
527
00:24:47,573 --> 00:24:49,662
Do they have, are they
qualified to educate?
528
00:24:49,662 --> 00:24:53,579
Or if they're not, what makes
them think that they're better
529
00:24:53,579 --> 00:24:55,624
than our public or
private schools?
530
00:24:55,624 --> 00:25:02,022
That's my question.
531
00:25:02,022 --> 00:25:04,590
When we pulled them
out, we had a couple
532
00:25:04,590 --> 00:25:06,069
of soul searching moments.
533
00:25:06,069 --> 00:25:10,421
Where we're like, you feel
inadequate to the job.
534
00:25:10,421 --> 00:25:15,557
I mean we're not
trained teachers.
535
00:25:15,557 --> 00:25:16,950
I don't have a credential.
536
00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:20,910
I didn't go to school
and get a piece of paper
537
00:25:20,910 --> 00:25:23,217
that says I can teach.
538
00:25:23,217 --> 00:25:25,524
But I can teach.
539
00:25:25,524 --> 00:25:26,612
They're my kids.
540
00:25:26,612 --> 00:25:28,527
I know them.
541
00:25:28,527 --> 00:25:29,615
I know their hearts.
542
00:25:29,615 --> 00:25:30,616
I know their souls.
543
00:25:30,616 --> 00:25:31,617
I know them inside and out.
544
00:25:31,617 --> 00:25:34,358
I know what makes them tick.
545
00:25:34,358 --> 00:25:37,231
You don't have to be
credentialed to teach.
546
00:25:37,231 --> 00:25:39,625
On Sunday night,
my mom told us we have
547
00:25:39,625 --> 00:25:42,802
to be ready for homeschooling.
548
00:25:42,802 --> 00:25:44,847
So we had to be dressed and
everything at eight o'clock.
549
00:25:44,847 --> 00:25:46,283
And you had to be at the table.
550
00:25:46,283 --> 00:25:49,417
And we were just going to start.
551
00:25:49,417 --> 00:25:53,116
Okay. So, we'll eventually
get some like, you know,
552
00:25:53,116 --> 00:25:54,988
figure out a French curriculum.
553
00:25:54,988 --> 00:25:56,511
Or a French program
that we're going to use.
554
00:25:56,511 --> 00:25:58,208
But since we don't have
anything yet, we'll just.
555
00:25:58,208 --> 00:25:59,601
We're just going to
start learning some words
556
00:25:59,601 --> 00:26:00,994
out of this book
that we've always had
557
00:26:00,994 --> 00:26:06,652
and we've never really
learned French out of.
558
00:26:06,652 --> 00:26:08,654
So we'll start with la famille.
559
00:26:08,654 --> 00:26:10,090
What do you think that means?
560
00:26:10,090 --> 00:26:11,308
The family.
561
00:26:11,308 --> 00:26:12,745
Very good.
562
00:26:12,745 --> 00:26:14,921
That first morning
for homeschooling,
563
00:26:14,921 --> 00:26:16,096
it was just school at home.
564
00:26:16,096 --> 00:26:17,619
It wasn't anything special.
565
00:26:17,619 --> 00:26:19,621
And I was like, what have
I gotten myself into?
566
00:26:19,621 --> 00:26:22,755
Any word in French
that is feminine gets la.
567
00:26:22,755 --> 00:26:26,802
And any word that is
masculine gets le.
568
00:26:26,802 --> 00:26:31,067
I imagined like it would be
more I could choose more what I
569
00:26:31,067 --> 00:26:32,373
want to do.
570
00:26:32,373 --> 00:26:36,507
And I could learn
how I want to do it.
571
00:26:36,507 --> 00:26:39,293
So my vision of what
homeschooling was like,
572
00:26:39,293 --> 00:26:42,949
was that you recreated
school at the table.
573
00:26:42,949 --> 00:26:45,038
You were going to have, you
know, from eight o'clock
574
00:26:45,038 --> 00:26:46,866
to nine o'clock, you were
going to have one subject.
575
00:26:46,866 --> 00:26:48,694
And then you would
switch to another.
576
00:26:48,694 --> 00:26:51,392
I didn't really know
what we were going to do.
577
00:26:51,392 --> 00:26:53,960
We didn't even know what
curriculum we were going
578
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,004
to follow.
579
00:26:55,004 --> 00:26:56,571
There are thousands of options.
580
00:26:56,571 --> 00:27:00,836
And I had intended to learn
what those options were
581
00:27:00,836 --> 00:27:02,011
and be prepared.
582
00:27:02,011 --> 00:27:03,317
But I didn't.
583
00:27:03,317 --> 00:27:07,016
So Todd gave them an art lesson.
584
00:27:07,016 --> 00:27:08,235
I want you draw as
many different kinds
585
00:27:08,235 --> 00:27:10,019
of lines as you can.
586
00:27:10,019 --> 00:27:12,021
And then we had to
take Todd into work.
587
00:27:12,021 --> 00:27:15,155
So, you know, I thought,
there's no reason to stop.
588
00:27:15,155 --> 00:27:16,983
So I brought the
French book with us
589
00:27:16,983 --> 00:27:20,551
and we kept having a
French lesson in the car.
590
00:27:20,551 --> 00:27:24,077
You got to remember, you don't
usually pronounce the letter
591
00:27:24,077 --> 00:27:25,208
at the end of the word.
592
00:27:25,208 --> 00:27:26,993
Unless there's an E after it.
593
00:27:26,993 --> 00:27:29,735
So this one is just Ver.
594
00:27:29,735 --> 00:27:30,561
Ver.
595
00:27:30,561 --> 00:27:31,519
Instead of Verte.
596
00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:33,260
Ver.
597
00:27:33,260 --> 00:27:35,697
We dropped Todd off at work,
and I didn't know what to do.
598
00:27:35,697 --> 00:27:38,395
So we just got home and kind
of called it a day after that.
599
00:27:38,395 --> 00:27:41,094
The girls were thrilled, but
I had a big lump in my throat.
600
00:27:41,094 --> 00:27:43,357
Thinking if they were in school,
they would still be working.
601
00:27:43,357 --> 00:27:45,228
They would be learning things.
602
00:27:45,228 --> 00:27:53,106
And it was hard for me to
just let nothing happen.
603
00:27:53,106 --> 00:27:56,022
There are statistics that
say that about 50% of people
604
00:27:56,022 --> 00:27:59,112
who homeschool drop out
during the first year.
605
00:27:59,112 --> 00:28:03,203
Often it's because there's an
authoritarian parenting style
606
00:28:03,203 --> 00:28:05,031
that's very inflexible.
607
00:28:05,031 --> 00:28:09,209
They're slavishly adhering to
a school model for education.
608
00:28:09,209 --> 00:28:12,125
And, you know, it just
isn't working in their home.
609
00:28:12,125 --> 00:28:13,779
It's meant to work in a school,
610
00:28:13,779 --> 00:28:15,998
where you can control
30 people with it.
611
00:28:15,998 --> 00:28:18,261
It doesn't work so well
in the home environment.
612
00:28:18,261 --> 00:28:20,133
When the student is sitting
right there next to you.
613
00:28:20,133 --> 00:28:23,440
Gives you instant feedback, that
this is boring, or ridiculous.
614
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:24,746
Or they don't want
to do it, right.
615
00:28:24,746 --> 00:28:26,617
So then, it comes into play.
616
00:28:26,617 --> 00:28:28,228
The parent thinking,
oh, my gosh.
617
00:28:28,228 --> 00:28:29,620
I have to force them to do this,
618
00:28:29,620 --> 00:28:30,970
because that's what the
parent grew up with.
619
00:28:30,970 --> 00:28:32,493
That's the model
that's in their head.
620
00:28:32,493 --> 00:28:36,018
[ School Bell Ringing ]
621
00:28:36,018 --> 00:28:38,934
The model of going to school
to learn is relatively new.
622
00:28:38,934 --> 00:28:42,285
Before 1900, most
children learned at home
623
00:28:42,285 --> 00:28:44,070
and out in the real world.
624
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:45,941
In 1837, the State
625
00:28:45,941 --> 00:28:49,162
of Massachusetts formed the
first state board of education.
626
00:28:49,162 --> 00:28:50,990
With Horace Mann
as its secretary.
627
00:28:50,990 --> 00:28:53,775
Mann believed that
everyone was entitled
628
00:28:53,775 --> 00:28:57,039
to the same content
in education.
629
00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:00,086
Returning from a research
trip to Germany in 1848.
630
00:29:00,086 --> 00:29:04,133
Mann lobbied heavily to have
the Prussian model adopted.
631
00:29:04,133 --> 00:29:06,832
He quickly set about
establishing a statewide system
632
00:29:06,832 --> 00:29:11,184
of Common Schools, staffed by
professionally trained teachers.
633
00:29:11,184 --> 00:29:14,056
His ideas quickly
gained momentum.
634
00:29:14,056 --> 00:29:17,581
And by 1852, Massachusetts
passed a compulsory
635
00:29:17,581 --> 00:29:24,197
attendance law.
636
00:29:24,197 --> 00:29:27,026
Mann also believed that school
could become a great equalizer.
637
00:29:27,026 --> 00:29:29,811
And values such as
obedience to authority,
638
00:29:29,811 --> 00:29:31,247
promptness in attendance,
639
00:29:31,247 --> 00:29:33,815
and organizing time
according to bell ringing.
640
00:29:33,815 --> 00:29:35,208
Would help students prepare
641
00:29:35,208 --> 00:29:40,169
for future employment,
in an industrial age.
642
00:29:40,169 --> 00:29:43,259
And the whole purpose of
it is to create a docile,
643
00:29:43,259 --> 00:29:46,915
factory, military workforce.
644
00:29:46,915 --> 00:29:50,658
The whole purpose is to
subordinate children.
645
00:29:50,658 --> 00:29:53,095
And get them in that mindset
of being subordinated,
646
00:29:53,095 --> 00:29:54,967
so they grow up to be
subordinated adults.
647
00:29:54,967 --> 00:29:57,012
This is the poorest
class I've had in a long --
648
00:29:57,012 --> 00:30:03,802
Prussian Schooling had been
out to destroy the imagination.
649
00:30:03,802 --> 00:30:08,415
In every public library worth
its salt, in the United States,
650
00:30:08,415 --> 00:30:10,678
and in every college library.
651
00:30:10,678 --> 00:30:14,421
You will find a collection
of essays
652
00:30:14,421 --> 00:30:19,730
by a Prussian philosopher,
Johann Fichte.
653
00:30:19,730 --> 00:30:23,560
Fichte said we have
to set up a system
654
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,346
of universal forced schooling.
655
00:30:26,346 --> 00:30:30,393
In which we destroy
the imagination.
656
00:30:30,393 --> 00:30:36,573
Bells, ordered lessons,
constant testing, rankings.
657
00:30:36,573 --> 00:30:39,446
The entire system is designed
658
00:30:39,446 --> 00:30:41,927
to regiment a large
group of people.
659
00:30:41,927 --> 00:30:46,018
And to get them all to
do the exact same thing.
660
00:30:46,018 --> 00:30:50,674
By 1900, 34 states had
compulsory schooling laws.
661
00:30:50,674 --> 00:30:53,373
Half the nation's children
attended one-room schools.
662
00:30:53,373 --> 00:30:57,159
And by 1918, every
state required students
663
00:30:57,159 --> 00:30:59,248
to complete elementary school.
664
00:30:59,248 --> 00:31:01,207
The reality is,
they want children
665
00:31:01,207 --> 00:31:03,600
to take their place in society.
666
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,473
Be cogs, and keep
this system going.
667
00:31:06,473 --> 00:31:10,042
So you're going to
school to take your place.
668
00:31:10,042 --> 00:31:11,608
Now, the trouble
is with your attitude.
669
00:31:11,608 --> 00:31:13,523
You don't pay enough
attention in class.
670
00:31:13,523 --> 00:31:18,006
You don't do enough
work outside of it.
671
00:31:18,006 --> 00:31:21,749
Our own schooling,
in many respects,
672
00:31:21,749 --> 00:31:25,100
did a whole lot of damage
to our self-confidence.
673
00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:28,756
And that's what I try to tell
people when they look at me
674
00:31:28,756 --> 00:31:31,063
and say, but, you know,
I'm not a teacher.
675
00:31:31,063 --> 00:31:33,804
I couldn't possibly do
that with my children.
676
00:31:33,804 --> 00:31:38,026
And sometimes they just
need some encouragement.
677
00:31:38,026 --> 00:31:42,030
And a little rebuilding
of that self-confidence
678
00:31:42,030 --> 00:31:45,599
that was destroyed.
679
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:46,121
Hello.
680
00:31:46,121 --> 00:31:46,861
Hi.
681
00:31:46,861 --> 00:31:48,210
Hi, come in.
682
00:31:48,210 --> 00:31:50,256
Feeling uncertainty
about her decision,
683
00:31:50,256 --> 00:31:53,433
Rachel has made an appointment
with a homeschool counselor.
684
00:31:53,433 --> 00:31:56,958
And how long have you
been in this new lifestyle?
685
00:31:56,958 --> 00:31:58,046
It's very new for us.
686
00:31:58,046 --> 00:31:59,569
Yeah.
687
00:31:59,569 --> 00:32:00,875
And we're really
excited that we're doing it.
688
00:32:00,875 --> 00:32:04,052
But we're not really
sure how to do it.
689
00:32:04,052 --> 00:32:09,231
We're kind of paving our own
path here, and it's scary.
690
00:32:09,231 --> 00:32:10,189
Yes.
691
00:32:10,189 --> 00:32:11,190
What if we do it wrong?
692
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:12,191
Those are some of my fears.
693
00:32:12,191 --> 00:32:13,801
Yes.
694
00:32:13,801 --> 00:32:15,107
What if we're closing
doors instead of opening them?
695
00:32:15,107 --> 00:32:17,022
When we look at what are some
696
00:32:17,022 --> 00:32:20,808
of the common concerns,
the overarching is,
697
00:32:20,808 --> 00:32:23,332
I'm not doing enough.
698
00:32:23,332 --> 00:32:26,422
And I'm going to miss
something anxiety.
699
00:32:26,422 --> 00:32:28,033
What do you guys like to do?
700
00:32:28,033 --> 00:32:31,079
I like designing
costumes and like,
701
00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:32,472
create characters of my own.
702
00:32:32,472 --> 00:32:36,606
And design costumes
and things like that.
703
00:32:36,606 --> 00:32:38,826
So now you have lots of
time to do that, don't you?
704
00:32:38,826 --> 00:32:41,394
Is that so great?
705
00:32:41,394 --> 00:32:46,007
I'm really into like,
animals and marine biology.
706
00:32:46,007 --> 00:32:49,054
So I really kind of want
to take a class on that.
707
00:32:49,054 --> 00:32:49,750
Okay.
708
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:50,925
Yeah.
709
00:32:50,925 --> 00:32:53,275
So parents really
worry about,
710
00:32:53,275 --> 00:32:56,191
I'm living out of the box.
711
00:32:56,191 --> 00:32:58,237
I'm not doing enough, right.
712
00:32:58,237 --> 00:33:00,282
What if I screw this up?
713
00:33:00,282 --> 00:33:03,068
It's like taking all of
the parenting worries,
714
00:33:03,068 --> 00:33:05,026
and kind of magnifying
them a little bit more.
715
00:33:05,026 --> 00:33:08,029
So you're just probably in an
early phase now of saying, okay,
716
00:33:08,029 --> 00:33:09,378
we used to do all these things.
717
00:33:09,378 --> 00:33:11,554
Our life was structured
this way.
718
00:33:11,554 --> 00:33:13,208
And now we get to
have it structured
719
00:33:13,208 --> 00:33:14,514
in a little bit of
a different way.
720
00:33:14,514 --> 00:33:16,081
Okay.
721
00:33:16,081 --> 00:33:18,039
And you're going to be
reinventing all the time.
722
00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:19,519
You're going to create
a new path.
723
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:23,044
But that path has so many
places for discovery.
724
00:33:23,044 --> 00:33:24,567
You get to change it
any time you want.
725
00:33:24,567 --> 00:33:26,004
Michelle advises Rachel
726
00:33:26,004 --> 00:33:28,745
to give the girls some
unstructured time before
727
00:33:28,745 --> 00:33:30,573
deciding on a path.
728
00:33:30,573 --> 00:33:33,185
A process called deschooling.
729
00:33:33,185 --> 00:33:36,318
In traditional schooling,
it's a lot of top down.
730
00:33:36,318 --> 00:33:38,494
I'm going to tell
you to do this.
731
00:33:38,494 --> 00:33:41,497
And this is how you do it,
and this is when you do it.
732
00:33:41,497 --> 00:33:43,195
So for the kids, part
733
00:33:43,195 --> 00:33:47,938
of the deschooling process
is really allowing them
734
00:33:47,938 --> 00:33:51,638
to find what really is
peaking their interests.
735
00:33:51,638 --> 00:33:54,380
Sometimes people will say it's
like for every year that you're
736
00:33:54,380 --> 00:33:56,512
in school, it's like a
month of deschooling.
737
00:33:56,512 --> 00:34:10,048
I always say to parents, let's
just give it lots of time.
738
00:34:10,048 --> 00:34:12,354
I want to give them
the freedom to be able
739
00:34:12,354 --> 00:34:14,095
to really explore
what they want to do.
740
00:34:14,095 --> 00:34:15,749
But I'm also really nervous.
741
00:34:15,749 --> 00:34:21,450
It's -- I feel like I have
a different vantage point
742
00:34:21,450 --> 00:34:26,151
on their lives than they do.
743
00:34:26,151 --> 00:34:28,457
It scares me a little bit to
give them too much freedom.
744
00:34:28,457 --> 00:34:35,073
And leave it too
much in their hands.
745
00:34:35,073 --> 00:34:36,683
The hardest thing is to
get out of your own way.
746
00:34:36,683 --> 00:34:38,728
I call it my school
brain, you know.
747
00:34:38,728 --> 00:34:41,775
Every now and then kicks in and
starts going, you know, but,
748
00:34:41,775 --> 00:34:43,820
but, they're not
interested in this.
749
00:34:43,820 --> 00:34:45,648
But they're this age, and
this is what you learn.
750
00:34:45,648 --> 00:34:49,913
You know, and you sort of -- if
you can stop that and step back.
751
00:34:49,913 --> 00:34:51,654
And trust that your
kids are going
752
00:34:51,654 --> 00:34:56,094
to be okay pursuing what
they are interested in.
753
00:34:56,094 --> 00:35:04,189
And then, you're going to
have a much easier time of it.
754
00:35:04,189 --> 00:35:07,105
It's hard for me not to
judge what my kids are doing.
755
00:35:07,105 --> 00:35:09,107
I heard someone say
yesterday, you know,
756
00:35:09,107 --> 00:35:11,283
one of the most important
things that you need to do
757
00:35:11,283 --> 00:35:12,371
when you start this process.
758
00:35:12,371 --> 00:35:13,981
Is to let go of expectations.
759
00:35:13,981 --> 00:35:16,201
And I have a lot of them.
760
00:35:16,201 --> 00:35:19,508
I want my kids to
be high achievers.
761
00:35:19,508 --> 00:35:21,075
I hear about all
these other things
762
00:35:21,075 --> 00:35:24,122
that all these amazing
kids have done, you know.
763
00:35:24,122 --> 00:35:25,732
And I want my kids
to be those kids.
764
00:35:25,732 --> 00:35:27,299
For this, you'll
need a sewing machine,
765
00:35:27,299 --> 00:35:30,128
some light cotton fabric.
766
00:35:30,128 --> 00:35:31,825
Scissors, pins.
767
00:35:31,825 --> 00:35:35,829
>>The difference between school
and education and learning.
768
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:39,963
Is that learning can
become all the things
769
00:35:39,963 --> 00:35:43,053
that anyone expected
of education.
770
00:35:43,053 --> 00:35:45,273
But learning doesn't
separate educational
771
00:35:45,273 --> 00:35:46,796
from non-educational.
772
00:35:46,796 --> 00:35:48,494
And I think no matter
what a person learns.
773
00:35:48,494 --> 00:35:52,411
No matter how trivial it
seems at the beginning.
774
00:35:52,411 --> 00:35:55,327
It eventually can tie into
something or become useful.
775
00:35:55,327 --> 00:35:56,676
Or make that person interesting,
776
00:35:56,676 --> 00:35:59,635
give them their own
unique perspective.
777
00:35:59,635 --> 00:36:03,378
And I think any ideas
of that's not scholarly,
778
00:36:03,378 --> 00:36:07,165
that's not schoolish,
that's not educational.
779
00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:08,644
Separate a person
from the world.
780
00:36:08,644 --> 00:36:10,516
What are you doing, babe?
781
00:36:10,516 --> 00:36:14,302
I find that I really
want a break sometimes.
782
00:36:14,302 --> 00:36:17,436
I want to have seven hours where
I send my kids away to school.
783
00:36:17,436 --> 00:36:18,959
And I feel kind of fortunate
784
00:36:18,959 --> 00:36:20,874
that they do spend some
time with their dad.
785
00:36:20,874 --> 00:36:24,356
So I do get breaks sometimes,
where some other people don't.
786
00:36:24,356 --> 00:36:29,056
Like the lab slips, or
whatever dental fun here.
787
00:36:29,056 --> 00:36:31,841
While you guys do this, I'll
go fix up a couple syringes.
788
00:36:31,841 --> 00:36:35,323
The biggest fear for me in
deschooling is getting behind
789
00:36:35,323 --> 00:36:38,544
to a point where they can't
catch up to those other kids.
790
00:36:38,544 --> 00:36:40,981
Curriculum is maybe
a little strong word.
791
00:36:40,981 --> 00:36:44,202
But I really want to give
them some sort of structure.
792
00:36:44,202 --> 00:36:46,378
Once they figure out what
they want to do, I want to try
793
00:36:46,378 --> 00:36:50,164
and help them achieve that.
794
00:36:50,164 --> 00:36:52,993
As parents, we like,
want that security
795
00:36:52,993 --> 00:36:54,908
to know we're doing our best.
796
00:36:54,908 --> 00:36:57,563
Or we're doing what's
right for our kids.
797
00:36:57,563 --> 00:37:01,393
And for some reason, we
get security in the fact
798
00:37:01,393 --> 00:37:03,960
that they have done
their math homework
799
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,223
and their social
studies homework.
800
00:37:05,223 --> 00:37:07,529
But like, what did
they really do?
801
00:37:07,529 --> 00:37:11,141
You good? I think what they
really did isn't as significant
802
00:37:11,141 --> 00:37:14,710
as what they really can
do if they're left alone.
803
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:17,496
If they're really left
alone to learn the things
804
00:37:17,496 --> 00:37:18,540
that they're interested in.
805
00:37:18,540 --> 00:37:21,151
They learn them so much better.
806
00:37:21,151 --> 00:37:22,892
Take your cues
from the children.
807
00:37:22,892 --> 00:37:26,461
Because they're very
innocent, they're very pure.
808
00:37:26,461 --> 00:37:31,814
And that pureness comes through,
if your mind isn't cluttered
809
00:37:31,814 --> 00:37:34,208
with a lot of other
things going on.
810
00:37:34,208 --> 00:37:41,911
And if you do that, what you
need to do gets shown to you.
811
00:37:41,911 --> 00:37:45,175
One of the concerns that I
have with homeschooling is that.
812
00:37:45,175 --> 00:37:46,786
Well, how am I going to
know if they're progressing,
813
00:37:46,786 --> 00:37:48,657
if they're not taking tests?
814
00:37:48,657 --> 00:37:51,094
How am I going to know that
they're learning anything,
815
00:37:51,094 --> 00:37:52,966
if I can't see on
a piece of paper
816
00:37:52,966 --> 00:37:55,403
that they got a letter
saying that they learned it?
817
00:37:55,403 --> 00:38:00,060
At school, you don't have
to worry about these things.
818
00:38:00,060 --> 00:38:01,975
Three months into
deschooling, Rachel,
819
00:38:01,975 --> 00:38:03,629
Todd and Thomas are anxious
820
00:38:03,629 --> 00:38:06,371
about what the girls
might be missing.
821
00:38:06,371 --> 00:38:09,156
They decide they need to
explore what other homeschoolers
822
00:38:09,156 --> 00:38:11,289
are doing.
823
00:38:11,289 --> 00:38:11,898
Hi.
824
00:38:11,898 --> 00:38:14,204
Hello.
825
00:38:14,204 --> 00:38:16,163
I was an elementary
school teacher.
826
00:38:16,163 --> 00:38:19,297
And I thought I was going to
take my kids to my school.
827
00:38:19,297 --> 00:38:20,776
I worked at a great
school that I loved.
828
00:38:20,776 --> 00:38:23,388
And then my eldest did
not want to go to school.
829
00:38:23,388 --> 00:38:25,433
And I thought that
was very strange.
830
00:38:25,433 --> 00:38:27,000
But I honored that.
831
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,871
And I ended up homeschooling
kindergarten, thought,
832
00:38:28,871 --> 00:38:30,395
you can't make or
break kindergarten.
833
00:38:30,395 --> 00:38:32,048
Started off very structured,
because I was a teacher.
834
00:38:32,048 --> 00:38:36,052
And kind of fell into it,
and then kind of liked it.
835
00:38:36,052 --> 00:38:37,402
Like, this is kind of great.
836
00:38:37,402 --> 00:38:40,056
There's a lot of freedom here.
837
00:38:40,056 --> 00:38:42,450
Once I loosened up and
realized that kids will learn
838
00:38:42,450 --> 00:38:44,713
when you leave them alone.
839
00:38:44,713 --> 00:38:47,412
So I'll give you guys a cone.
840
00:38:47,412 --> 00:38:49,675
And henna is really
like, all about symmetry.
841
00:38:49,675 --> 00:38:53,200
So you can do like flowers
and leaves and stuff.
842
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,072
But you want to make
sure it's symmetrical.
843
00:38:56,072 --> 00:39:00,033
And always pull towards you
when you're doing henna.
844
00:39:00,033 --> 00:39:02,209
Kids don't really learn with
paper and pencil a whole lot.
845
00:39:02,209 --> 00:39:03,428
My kids don't.
846
00:39:03,428 --> 00:39:05,168
I mean, they do put
pencil to paper.
847
00:39:05,168 --> 00:39:06,518
But that's not how they learn.
848
00:39:06,518 --> 00:39:08,389
But not workbooks?
849
00:39:08,389 --> 00:39:09,564
Tests?
850
00:39:09,564 --> 00:39:11,131
I have them, they're
in my house.
851
00:39:11,131 --> 00:39:13,046
And my kids have done them.
852
00:39:13,046 --> 00:39:14,743
But it's not the
number one choice
853
00:39:14,743 --> 00:39:17,311
of activity for them at all.
854
00:39:17,311 --> 00:39:22,621
Take the nose and fold it
down on the straight line.
855
00:39:22,621 --> 00:39:23,622
They do great things.
856
00:39:23,622 --> 00:39:25,406
And it's not me, it's them.
857
00:39:25,406 --> 00:39:26,929
People say, oh, you
were a teacher.
858
00:39:26,929 --> 00:39:28,453
So you can teach them.
859
00:39:28,453 --> 00:39:31,586
And I'm like, I don't
even really teach my kids.
860
00:39:31,586 --> 00:39:32,805
I watch them grow and learn.
861
00:39:32,805 --> 00:39:34,807
I don't teach them.
862
00:39:34,807 --> 00:39:36,809
You know, once in a blue moon, I
might toss something their way,
863
00:39:36,809 --> 00:39:37,984
that maybe they didn't
already know.
864
00:39:37,984 --> 00:39:39,855
But that's pretty
rare, actually.
865
00:39:39,855 --> 00:39:42,118
It's more that I actually
learn more from them.
866
00:39:42,118 --> 00:39:48,037
They teach me a lot.
867
00:39:48,037 --> 00:39:49,996
I feel pretty ready to
phase out of deschooling,
868
00:39:49,996 --> 00:39:52,912
and into something a little
more formal and structured.
869
00:39:52,912 --> 00:39:55,480
But I don't know how to do that.
870
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,091
As far as curriculum, there are
a few things I have my eyes on.
871
00:39:58,091 --> 00:40:01,573
That I would like
to possibly use.
872
00:40:01,573 --> 00:40:05,577
But I want to try
and involve the girls
873
00:40:05,577 --> 00:40:07,361
in the decision-making process.
874
00:40:07,361 --> 00:40:09,058
Because I know that if
they're not interested in it,
875
00:40:09,058 --> 00:40:10,408
they're not going to do it.
876
00:40:10,408 --> 00:40:11,452
And it's going to be
a waste of my money
877
00:40:11,452 --> 00:40:16,152
and my efforts and my time, so.
878
00:40:16,152 --> 00:40:19,808
I think we tried every kind
of homeschooling there is.
879
00:40:19,808 --> 00:40:22,028
So we started out with
classroom schooling at home.
880
00:40:22,028 --> 00:40:26,206
And we tried, we did
some things with a co-op.
881
00:40:26,206 --> 00:40:31,254
We did some structured
learning with curriculum.
882
00:40:31,254 --> 00:40:34,388
We did some child-initiated
learning.
883
00:40:34,388 --> 00:40:37,173
We just did, really,
the whole spectrum.
884
00:40:37,173 --> 00:40:45,051
And different things fit each
child at different times.
885
00:40:45,051 --> 00:40:48,054
Still uncertain about which
homeschooling path to take.
886
00:40:48,054 --> 00:40:50,535
Rachel and the girls
visit another family,
887
00:40:50,535 --> 00:40:52,537
using a much more
structured approach.
888
00:40:52,537 --> 00:40:54,234
Called Classical Curriculum.
889
00:40:54,234 --> 00:40:55,104
Hi.
890
00:40:55,104 --> 00:40:56,105
Hi, how are you?
891
00:40:56,105 --> 00:40:57,106
Good, how are you?
892
00:40:57,106 --> 00:40:57,759
I'm Rachel.
893
00:40:57,759 --> 00:40:59,457
Shannon.
894
00:40:59,457 --> 00:41:02,242
The first year I did it, I
would fill these schedules out.
895
00:41:02,242 --> 00:41:04,462
This is when we're
going to learn Japanese.
896
00:41:04,462 --> 00:41:05,593
I don't know Japanese.
897
00:41:05,593 --> 00:41:06,551
How am I going to
teach Japanese?
898
00:41:06,551 --> 00:41:08,074
Okay, I'll just whatever.
899
00:41:08,074 --> 00:41:09,554
It was just ridiculous,
really, that we were going
900
00:41:09,554 --> 00:41:10,816
to learn all these things.
901
00:41:10,816 --> 00:41:12,513
And this is how I
was going to do it.
902
00:41:12,513 --> 00:41:14,559
And I had my schedule on my
wall, and it was impossible.
903
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:16,299
It was absolutely impossible.
904
00:41:16,299 --> 00:41:19,172
Until I heard about this group
called Classical Conversations.
905
00:41:19,172 --> 00:41:21,043
Where mom's come together.
906
00:41:21,043 --> 00:41:22,828
And your kids can play games.
907
00:41:22,828 --> 00:41:24,394
And they can learn songs.
908
00:41:24,394 --> 00:41:27,963
And they can actually
have fun ingesting very
909
00:41:27,963 --> 00:41:29,530
important material.
910
00:41:29,530 --> 00:41:38,060
[ Music & Singing ]
911
00:41:38,060 --> 00:41:40,367
Classical Education is a
method of training the mind.
912
00:41:40,367 --> 00:41:44,023
In a systematic and structured
three-part process known
913
00:41:44,023 --> 00:41:45,415
as The Trivium.
914
00:41:45,415 --> 00:41:47,722
Your girls are right
in that middle zone.
915
00:41:47,722 --> 00:41:49,942
Right where they're
about to transition
916
00:41:49,942 --> 00:41:53,119
into what they call
the dialectic stage.
917
00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:56,383
So they're going
to be talking back.
918
00:41:56,383 --> 00:41:58,690
So you want to start
saying, okay,
919
00:41:58,690 --> 00:41:59,778
you want to learn how to argue.
920
00:41:59,778 --> 00:42:01,388
Let's teach you formal debate.
921
00:42:01,388 --> 00:42:02,868
What's that look like?
922
00:42:02,868 --> 00:42:04,304
That's what I really
love about homeschooling.
923
00:42:04,304 --> 00:42:06,611
Is that I can have
discussions with my class.
924
00:42:06,611 --> 00:42:10,049
And I can talk to them
about what my opinions are
925
00:42:10,049 --> 00:42:11,398
and I can hear from them.
926
00:42:11,398 --> 00:42:13,443
And understand both
sides of arguments,
927
00:42:13,443 --> 00:42:15,445
instead of just being
taught one thing.
928
00:42:15,445 --> 00:42:20,102
Or, you know, it's
just more well-rounded.
929
00:42:20,102 --> 00:42:22,148
The Classical Method
is language intensive,
930
00:42:22,148 --> 00:42:26,021
systematic and rigorous.
931
00:42:26,021 --> 00:42:27,022
Is there a lot
of work every week?
932
00:42:27,022 --> 00:42:27,893
There is so much work.
933
00:42:27,893 --> 00:42:29,590
You, like, I don't know.
934
00:42:29,590 --> 00:42:33,420
Maybe it's just because I'm
-- like, this is for a week.
935
00:42:33,420 --> 00:42:35,465
This is all my Latin.
936
00:42:35,465 --> 00:42:36,945
I think that the
way that they learn,
937
00:42:36,945 --> 00:42:38,643
isn't really the way
I would want to learn.
938
00:42:38,643 --> 00:42:41,080
But I can tell it really
works for their family.
939
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,039
Yes, so this is the math.
940
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:45,040
I miss a lot.
941
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,346
And I fail a lot.
942
00:42:46,346 --> 00:42:49,567
And I make lots and
lots of mistakes.
943
00:42:49,567 --> 00:42:53,483
But, for the most
part, it works.
944
00:42:53,483 --> 00:42:55,311
I don't even -- I
think if I did nothing,
945
00:42:55,311 --> 00:42:56,835
and failed at everything.
946
00:42:56,835 --> 00:42:58,271
And everything was a
mistake, it would still work.
947
00:42:58,271 --> 00:43:01,709
I don't know what
it is about humans.
948
00:43:01,709 --> 00:43:09,021
They want to learn.
949
00:43:09,021 --> 00:43:10,979
So in this beaker,
I've got copper sulfate,
950
00:43:10,979 --> 00:43:13,112
in solution, dissolved.
951
00:43:13,112 --> 00:43:15,244
And then, this is just
aluminum -- metal.
952
00:43:15,244 --> 00:43:17,638
In stark contrast to
the structured approach
953
00:43:17,638 --> 00:43:18,944
of Classical Curriculum,
954
00:43:18,944 --> 00:43:22,730
is self-directed
learning, or unschooling.
955
00:43:22,730 --> 00:43:24,819
I've been unschooling
my whole life.
956
00:43:24,819 --> 00:43:26,691
And I've got a, you
know, great passion
957
00:43:26,691 --> 00:43:28,954
for chemistry and physics.
958
00:43:28,954 --> 00:43:32,740
I've been able to make a little
chemistry lab where I can fool
959
00:43:32,740 --> 00:43:34,350
around and be serious.
960
00:43:34,350 --> 00:43:37,179
And learn a ton of chemistry,
and do cool experiments.
961
00:43:37,179 --> 00:43:40,574
Unschooling has allowed
me to go at my own pace.
962
00:43:40,574 --> 00:43:44,186
So I've been able to really
go ahead in all the areas
963
00:43:44,186 --> 00:43:45,535
that I'm really interested in.
964
00:43:45,535 --> 00:43:48,364
And also do -- learn
the material itself
965
00:43:48,364 --> 00:43:51,019
in a very different way
than I would in school.
966
00:43:51,019 --> 00:43:54,588
The term unschooling
is often misunderstood.
967
00:43:54,588 --> 00:43:58,331
It was first coined
by John Holt, in 1977.
968
00:43:58,331 --> 00:44:00,768
And came from an
unlikely source.
969
00:44:00,768 --> 00:44:05,425
In 1977, the word
homeschooling wasn't popular.
970
00:44:05,425 --> 00:44:08,297
But it was out there
a little bit.
971
00:44:08,297 --> 00:44:10,125
But he decided that, you
know, he wanted to come
972
00:44:10,125 --> 00:44:11,736
up with the word unschooling.
973
00:44:11,736 --> 00:44:13,738
Because what he -- the type
of learning he was talking
974
00:44:13,738 --> 00:44:15,435
about didn't have to
take place at home.
975
00:44:15,435 --> 00:44:17,132
And it didn't have
to look like school.
976
00:44:17,132 --> 00:44:20,745
And at the same time, there
was an ad campaign by 7 Up.
977
00:44:20,745 --> 00:44:22,616
And they were saying
"We're not a cola.
978
00:44:22,616 --> 00:44:24,183
We're more natural.
979
00:44:24,183 --> 00:44:26,359
We are the uncola."
980
00:44:26,359 --> 00:44:29,057
And I think he was kind
of picking up on that.
981
00:44:29,057 --> 00:44:32,234
So he came up with
the word unschooling.
982
00:44:32,234 --> 00:44:36,108
Basically, unschooling is
using life as the learning tool.
983
00:44:36,108 --> 00:44:40,025
So we're never out of school,
because we're never out of life.
984
00:44:40,025 --> 00:44:45,160
And so, it's just using what
is happening on a daily basis
985
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,119
as an example of how to learn.
986
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:50,209
Going to the grocery store
becomes, oh, let's, you know,
987
00:44:50,209 --> 00:44:51,210
practice our math skills.
988
00:44:51,210 --> 00:44:52,602
And practice rounding.
989
00:44:52,602 --> 00:44:54,039
Because now we can, the
easier way to figure
990
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:55,605
out how much money
we're spending.
991
00:44:55,605 --> 00:44:56,911
Or how much money we have.
992
00:44:56,911 --> 00:44:59,566
So that becomes, you
know, a math skill.
993
00:44:59,566 --> 00:45:01,002
I think the difference
between homeschooling
994
00:45:01,002 --> 00:45:03,439
and unschooling, is
unschooling is full-time,
995
00:45:03,439 --> 00:45:05,311
self-directed learning.
996
00:45:05,311 --> 00:45:08,444
So as a teenager, that means
that you are taking the reins.
997
00:45:08,444 --> 00:45:11,578
You are actively
directing your education.
998
00:45:11,578 --> 00:45:14,146
And not just doing
what mom and dad say.
999
00:45:14,146 --> 00:45:17,192
Or what your friends
or your family say.
1000
00:45:17,192 --> 00:45:18,628
Basically, what it is,
1001
00:45:18,628 --> 00:45:21,806
is allowing your child
the freedom and the joy.
1002
00:45:21,806 --> 00:45:25,635
To explore their own passions
and interests in their own way.
1003
00:45:25,635 --> 00:45:29,030
Because they're innately
motivated.
1004
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:31,511
I went to public
school up until 5th grade.
1005
00:45:31,511 --> 00:45:33,078
And at the end of 5th
grade, I told my parents,
1006
00:45:33,078 --> 00:45:34,819
I'm not learning anything.
1007
00:45:34,819 --> 00:45:37,343
Something has to be done if I
want to continue my education.
1008
00:45:37,343 --> 00:45:39,998
I went ahead and
became an unschooler.
1009
00:45:39,998 --> 00:45:41,826
And directed my own education,
1010
00:45:41,826 --> 00:45:45,090
all the way up until
the end of high school.
1011
00:45:45,090 --> 00:45:47,745
I started a flower
delivery business.
1012
00:45:47,745 --> 00:45:52,314
I started a photography business
that I ran for six years.
1013
00:45:52,314 --> 00:45:55,143
I traveled abroad, and lived
in France for four months.
1014
00:45:55,143 --> 00:45:56,579
And learned French,
1015
00:45:56,579 --> 00:45:59,060
and experienced a new
language and culture.
1016
00:45:59,060 --> 00:46:02,020
But I still assumed that
college was the path to success,
1017
00:46:02,020 --> 00:46:03,412
because my parents went.
1018
00:46:03,412 --> 00:46:06,328
My peers were going,
and society expected it.
1019
00:46:06,328 --> 00:46:07,590
I left college after
eight months,
1020
00:46:07,590 --> 00:46:09,201
because I wasn't
terribly impressed
1021
00:46:09,201 --> 00:46:12,291
with the quality
of the academics.
1022
00:46:12,291 --> 00:46:15,642
In May 2011, Dale was
selected out of hundreds
1023
00:46:15,642 --> 00:46:18,732
of individuals around the
world as a Thiel fellow.
1024
00:46:18,732 --> 00:46:20,690
The Thiel Fellowship
brings together some
1025
00:46:20,690 --> 00:46:23,606
of the world's most creative
and motivated young people.
1026
00:46:23,606 --> 00:46:24,999
And provides them
1027
00:46:24,999 --> 00:46:27,654
with a no-strings-attached
grant of $100,000.
1028
00:46:27,654 --> 00:46:30,178
To skip college and
focus on their work,
1029
00:46:30,178 --> 00:46:32,441
research and self-education.
1030
00:46:32,441 --> 00:46:34,704
With the endowment from
the Thiel Foundation,
1031
00:46:34,704 --> 00:46:37,098
Dale founded UnCollege.
1032
00:46:37,098 --> 00:46:39,492
UnCollege is a social
movement challenging the notion
1033
00:46:39,492 --> 00:46:41,537
that college equals success.
1034
00:46:41,537 --> 00:46:43,191
It's not anti-college.
1035
00:46:43,191 --> 00:46:45,454
I love education just
as much as anybody else.
1036
00:46:45,454 --> 00:46:49,328
I simply think that education
isn't limited to school.
1037
00:46:49,328 --> 00:46:52,897
Today, at only 22 years
old, he is a published author.
1038
00:46:52,897 --> 00:46:55,377
And a much sought
after education speaker
1039
00:46:55,377 --> 00:46:57,292
at events around the world.
1040
00:46:57,292 --> 00:46:58,598
I don't think
everyone who wants
1041
00:46:58,598 --> 00:47:00,339
to unschool will be
successful at it.
1042
00:47:00,339 --> 00:47:01,688
Some people can't relax.
1043
00:47:01,688 --> 00:47:02,907
Some people are not creative.
1044
00:47:02,907 --> 00:47:04,212
Some people are not imaginative.
1045
00:47:04,212 --> 00:47:07,999
Some people are so controlling.
1046
00:47:07,999 --> 00:47:11,219
That if something happens that
they didn't plan and execute,
1047
00:47:11,219 --> 00:47:12,655
they're not having fun anymore.
1048
00:47:12,655 --> 00:47:14,222
They're looking at the
world and their children
1049
00:47:14,222 --> 00:47:15,615
through school colored glasses.
1050
00:47:15,615 --> 00:47:18,574
And they're willing
to do other things,
1051
00:47:18,574 --> 00:47:21,664
as long as the result
looks like school.
1052
00:47:21,664 --> 00:47:23,623
And they need to turn
their back on that and look
1053
00:47:23,623 --> 00:47:25,538
at the world a whole new way.
1054
00:47:25,538 --> 00:47:27,279
Trust, of course,
is a big one.
1055
00:47:27,279 --> 00:47:29,063
Because you have to trust
1056
00:47:29,063 --> 00:47:32,893
that your child will learn
what they need to learn.
1057
00:47:32,893 --> 00:47:34,286
That they're capable.
1058
00:47:34,286 --> 00:47:38,420
And that really requires a shift
1059
00:47:38,420 --> 00:47:41,162
in your own perception
of human nature.
1060
00:47:41,162 --> 00:47:43,904
Now, I know some people
watching this will probably be
1061
00:47:43,904 --> 00:47:47,952
saying, "Well, yeah you know,
your child may be good at this.
1062
00:47:47,952 --> 00:47:51,956
And if that's all he does,
what about his weak points?"
1063
00:47:51,956 --> 00:47:55,176
This is not to say that
you ignore the weak points.
1064
00:47:55,176 --> 00:47:59,224
But there's a lot of
happiness to be derived
1065
00:47:59,224 --> 00:48:01,487
with these children who
are growing up to be
1066
00:48:01,487 --> 00:48:03,228
who they are meant to be.
1067
00:48:03,228 --> 00:48:06,318
And nobody intervening
and trying to make them
1068
00:48:06,318 --> 00:48:08,755
into something that they aren't.
1069
00:48:08,755 --> 00:48:10,800
Or even worse, trying
to make them
1070
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:19,026
like everybody else
who is around them.
1071
00:48:19,026 --> 00:48:21,463
I just didn't really enjoy
going to school very much.
1072
00:48:21,463 --> 00:48:24,553
Some of the stuff they did
didn't really make much sense
1073
00:48:24,553 --> 00:48:26,642
to me.
1074
00:48:26,642 --> 00:48:29,428
Every day, these people
were bullying me and stuff.
1075
00:48:29,428 --> 00:48:31,125
And I wasn't learning much.
1076
00:48:31,125 --> 00:48:34,999
Everybody would hang out in
like, little groups of people.
1077
00:48:34,999 --> 00:48:38,002
Like, you couldn't hang out
with everybody in your class.
1078
00:48:38,002 --> 00:48:41,005
There was just little
groups of like, four people.
1079
00:48:41,005 --> 00:48:43,529
And they'd only hang
out with each other.
1080
00:48:43,529 --> 00:48:48,186
But like, with homeschooling,
I get to like,
1081
00:48:48,186 --> 00:48:49,883
see all of my friends.
1082
00:48:49,883 --> 00:48:52,190
And they don't like, exclude
people from certain places.
1083
00:48:52,190 --> 00:48:53,931
There's not like,
groups of people
1084
00:48:53,931 --> 00:48:57,717
and only certain people
could hang out with them.
1085
00:48:57,717 --> 00:48:59,458
This is my calligraphy set.
1086
00:48:59,458 --> 00:49:01,416
My mom wrote a poetry book once,
1087
00:49:01,416 --> 00:49:04,115
and I illustrated
the pictures in it.
1088
00:49:04,115 --> 00:49:10,034
That's one drawing.
1089
00:49:10,034 --> 00:49:11,905
Like, some kids in school,
they feel really uptight.
1090
00:49:11,905 --> 00:49:14,603
And they can't like,
express their selves.
1091
00:49:14,603 --> 00:49:17,215
And do what they want to do.
1092
00:49:17,215 --> 00:49:20,131
And I feel like I could, you
know, be around my friends,
1093
00:49:20,131 --> 00:49:21,959
and like, act like myself.
1094
00:49:21,959 --> 00:49:23,656
I'm more confident that
I could go out there
1095
00:49:23,656 --> 00:49:28,661
and do what I feel
passionate to do with my life.
1096
00:49:28,661 --> 00:49:31,011
You learn by just
doing, I think.
1097
00:49:31,011 --> 00:49:33,057
You know. You don't learn
1098
00:49:33,057 --> 00:49:35,624
by having things
check-marked and things.
1099
00:49:35,624 --> 00:49:37,278
The way you kind of learn
how to use a camera,
1100
00:49:37,278 --> 00:49:40,194
is toy around with
it and figure it out.
1101
00:49:40,194 --> 00:49:44,764
I don't really have to hear a
bunch of different teachers,
1102
00:49:44,764 --> 00:49:46,374
going into different classrooms.
1103
00:49:46,374 --> 00:49:47,985
I'm on my own time.
1104
00:49:47,985 --> 00:49:51,075
I'm like okay, now I can
do math, now I can do this.
1105
00:49:51,075 --> 00:49:53,033
Just do whatever I need to do.
1106
00:49:53,033 --> 00:49:56,123
And I don't got to worry about
cliques or anything like that,
1107
00:49:56,123 --> 00:50:02,129
in high school or anything.
1108
00:50:02,129 --> 00:50:04,958
It's fun to learn,
without having to learn.
1109
00:50:04,958 --> 00:50:07,221
And you can just learn whatever
you want, when you want.
1110
00:50:07,221 --> 00:50:09,006
And if you're not
ready for something,
1111
00:50:09,006 --> 00:50:11,051
you don't have to do it.
1112
00:50:11,051 --> 00:50:14,924
And there's no like,
ranks, grades.
1113
00:50:14,924 --> 00:50:19,016
Like, you can do whatever
you want and work on it.
1114
00:50:19,016 --> 00:50:21,061
And if somebody asks me, "Hey,
1115
00:50:21,061 --> 00:50:23,107
do you want to learn
about this?"
1116
00:50:23,107 --> 00:50:25,196
Then I'll usually say yes.
1117
00:50:25,196 --> 00:50:28,155
Instead of "You got to do this,
1118
00:50:28,155 --> 00:50:32,551
or else you'll not
move up a grade."
1119
00:50:32,551 --> 00:50:34,901
Well, one of the great
things about unschooling,
1120
00:50:34,901 --> 00:50:37,251
is that it doesn't
prepare children
1121
00:50:37,251 --> 00:50:38,948
for a conventional life.
1122
00:50:38,948 --> 00:50:42,517
If you want your children to
live an extraordinary life.
1123
00:50:42,517 --> 00:50:44,171
An empowered life.
1124
00:50:44,171 --> 00:50:49,959
A life based in freedom, and
creativity, and possibility.
1125
00:50:49,959 --> 00:50:53,615
Then it's great that they're
not getting the constant message
1126
00:50:53,615 --> 00:50:54,877
that says.
1127
00:50:54,877 --> 00:50:56,444
You have to jump
through all these hoops
1128
00:50:56,444 --> 00:50:59,056
in order to succeed in life.
1129
00:50:59,056 --> 00:51:05,062
Because there's so
many ways to succeed.
1130
00:51:05,062 --> 00:51:07,281
And with information
so readily accessible,
1131
00:51:07,281 --> 00:51:10,197
the path to success and the
employment landscape are
1132
00:51:10,197 --> 00:51:12,330
constantly evolving.
1133
00:51:12,330 --> 00:51:14,506
But I know I have
the resources.
1134
00:51:14,506 --> 00:51:16,116
I know that everybody
has the resources.
1135
00:51:16,116 --> 00:51:18,118
Particularly with the
internet these days.
1136
00:51:18,118 --> 00:51:20,468
Like, you can get
anything you need.
1137
00:51:20,468 --> 00:51:23,254
I feel like I'm pretty
well prepared for anything
1138
00:51:23,254 --> 00:51:25,299
that comes along my way.
1139
00:51:25,299 --> 00:51:29,608
So many people are stuck
in this traditional model of,
1140
00:51:29,608 --> 00:51:31,871
you do well in school.
1141
00:51:31,871 --> 00:51:33,612
You get a college education.
1142
00:51:33,612 --> 00:51:35,527
And then you're going
to get a good job.
1143
00:51:35,527 --> 00:51:39,444
You know, the new economy
has changed all those rules.
1144
00:51:39,444 --> 00:51:42,186
I mean, there's so many
opportunities right now
1145
00:51:42,186 --> 00:51:45,145
for doing things that
didn't even exist ten,
1146
00:51:45,145 --> 00:51:50,063
fifteen, twenty years ago.
1147
00:51:50,063 --> 00:51:51,456
I have a lot of education.
1148
00:51:51,456 --> 00:51:53,240
I went to school forever.
1149
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:55,199
So what did I get
out of my education?
1150
00:51:55,199 --> 00:51:59,377
I got student loans
that are crippling.
1151
00:51:59,377 --> 00:52:03,424
And I was under the impression
that if I stayed in school.
1152
00:52:03,424 --> 00:52:06,079
I did everything that my
parents told me to do.
1153
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:07,776
That I would be successful.
1154
00:52:07,776 --> 00:52:13,826
But that's not the formula.
1155
00:52:13,826 --> 00:52:15,480
Although Rachel and
Todd remain committed
1156
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,090
to homeschooling.
1157
00:52:17,090 --> 00:52:19,484
New financial stressors
are forcing them
1158
00:52:19,484 --> 00:52:21,181
to reconsider their methods.
1159
00:52:21,181 --> 00:52:23,923
We are going through
financial upheaval.
1160
00:52:23,923 --> 00:52:27,796
It's not quite like a crisis.
1161
00:52:27,796 --> 00:52:29,668
But we just have a lot going on.
1162
00:52:29,668 --> 00:52:32,758
I partner in a video
game studio.
1163
00:52:32,758 --> 00:52:34,977
And we lost some contracts.
1164
00:52:34,977 --> 00:52:39,547
So we couldn't hit
payroll for just too long.
1165
00:52:39,547 --> 00:52:42,071
And we all just, we
acquired some debt and stuff.
1166
00:52:42,071 --> 00:52:44,726
But, so I had to
get another job.
1167
00:52:44,726 --> 00:52:47,076
But I'm kind of working
both, because I still want
1168
00:52:47,076 --> 00:52:48,991
to keep my studio on track.
1169
00:52:48,991 --> 00:52:51,298
But it's just been really tough.
1170
00:52:51,298 --> 00:52:54,780
After much consideration,
Rachel has signed the girls
1171
00:52:54,780 --> 00:52:57,609
up for a local independent
charter school.
1172
00:52:57,609 --> 00:53:00,568
The reasons that
we decided to try
1173
00:53:00,568 --> 00:53:04,050
out the charter school was
because -- well, it's twofold.
1174
00:53:04,050 --> 00:53:06,270
Partly because they
give us funding.
1175
00:53:06,270 --> 00:53:07,793
That was the main reason.
1176
00:53:07,793 --> 00:53:12,798
They give us money for
materials or classes.
1177
00:53:12,798 --> 00:53:16,802
And I do like the idea of having
a little bit of oversight.
1178
00:53:16,802 --> 00:53:20,849
I mean, we might explore things
that we wouldn't otherwise.
1179
00:53:20,849 --> 00:53:22,982
There's a difference
between charter schools
1180
00:53:22,982 --> 00:53:24,766
and independent study
charter schools.
1181
00:53:24,766 --> 00:53:27,552
An independent study
charter school is basically a
1182
00:53:27,552 --> 00:53:28,901
public school,
1183
00:53:28,901 --> 00:53:31,164
funded by state, you
know, state funds.
1184
00:53:31,164 --> 00:53:34,298
But it's for families that
want their kids to not be
1185
00:53:34,298 --> 00:53:35,603
in the brick and mortar.
1186
00:53:35,603 --> 00:53:37,605
To basically learn
at home in their way.
1187
00:53:37,605 --> 00:53:39,128
Still following state
guidelines.
1188
00:53:39,128 --> 00:53:41,130
Still having to do
the state testing.
1189
00:53:41,130 --> 00:53:43,132
But they can do their
own style of learning.
1190
00:53:43,132 --> 00:53:44,917
They can have differentiated
instruction
1191
00:53:44,917 --> 00:53:47,659
that they might not have
in a regular classroom.
1192
00:53:47,659 --> 00:53:50,618
Independent study regulations
in California require
1193
00:53:50,618 --> 00:53:52,011
that the student meet
1194
00:53:52,011 --> 00:53:54,143
with a credentialed
educational specialist,
1195
00:53:54,143 --> 00:53:57,930
or ES, on a regular basis.
1196
00:53:57,930 --> 00:54:01,586
My role as an ES is to
monitor children that are
1197
00:54:01,586 --> 00:54:02,848
in the charter school.
1198
00:54:02,848 --> 00:54:04,676
The independent study
charter school.
1199
00:54:04,676 --> 00:54:07,200
To make sure they're
following state standards.
1200
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,115
They're learning what
they need to learn.
1201
00:54:09,115 --> 00:54:11,160
They're taking the
mandated state testing.
1202
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,468
And it's really just to
keep the parents on track.
1203
00:54:14,468 --> 00:54:17,863
Over at his office,
Thomas is helping the girls
1204
00:54:17,863 --> 00:54:20,300
with their first
science assignment.
1205
00:54:20,300 --> 00:54:24,609
I feel a lot more comfortable
now, as they move into like,
1206
00:54:24,609 --> 00:54:27,133
this -- a little
bit more structure.
1207
00:54:27,133 --> 00:54:29,309
There's a little check
there that I like.
1208
00:54:29,309 --> 00:54:32,356
I didn't expect to join
like, a little school.
1209
00:54:32,356 --> 00:54:35,010
I expected to just kind of
stay away from all that.
1210
00:54:35,010 --> 00:54:38,057
But it's nice, because they
fund classes that we do.
1211
00:54:38,057 --> 00:54:41,321
Like, me and Lily are both going
to take guitar and voice now.
1212
00:54:41,321 --> 00:54:42,975
And they're paying for it.
1213
00:54:42,975 --> 00:54:44,716
And I'm taking French, which
they're paying for as well.
1214
00:54:44,716 --> 00:54:46,152
A lot of parents sign
1215
00:54:46,152 --> 00:54:49,198
up for charter schools
simply for the funding.
1216
00:54:49,198 --> 00:54:50,199
And you know what?
1217
00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:51,636
I have no problem with that.
1218
00:54:51,636 --> 00:54:53,377
As long as they fill
their end of the bargain,
1219
00:54:53,377 --> 00:54:55,248
which is to do the work.
1220
00:54:55,248 --> 00:54:56,771
You know, make sure their
kids are following those
1221
00:54:56,771 --> 00:54:58,120
state standards.
1222
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,384
Participating in
the state testing.
1223
00:55:00,384 --> 00:55:03,822
Being respectful to their
ES and to our school rules.
1224
00:55:03,822 --> 00:55:05,563
They can have the funding.
1225
00:55:05,563 --> 00:55:08,087
Lily is studying like, life
science is what they call it.
1226
00:55:08,087 --> 00:55:11,525
It's kind of Biology,
really general Biology.
1227
00:55:11,525 --> 00:55:16,922
Ana is, her lesson today is
about just statistical analysis.
1228
00:55:16,922 --> 00:55:21,361
Or like, how a scientist
develops an experiment.
1229
00:55:21,361 --> 00:55:22,928
After reading
through the textbook,
1230
00:55:22,928 --> 00:55:24,277
Thomas and the girls decide
1231
00:55:24,277 --> 00:55:26,279
to put their own spin
on the assignment.
1232
00:55:26,279 --> 00:55:28,716
And take the learning outside.
1233
00:55:28,716 --> 00:55:30,414
We have a cool camera.
1234
00:55:30,414 --> 00:55:32,198
We're going to take a laptop
out, and somebody can take like,
1235
00:55:32,198 --> 00:55:34,896
screenshots of whatever
bugs we find.
1236
00:55:34,896 --> 00:55:36,855
And this thing really
blows stuff up,
1237
00:55:36,855 --> 00:55:38,291
so it will be pretty cool.
1238
00:55:38,291 --> 00:55:39,901
It kind of fits in
with both of our things.
1239
00:55:39,901 --> 00:55:51,173
So I think it will work out,
but it wasn't in the book.
1240
00:55:51,173 --> 00:55:54,046
I'm seeing no bugs in here.
1241
00:55:54,046 --> 00:55:58,093
I don't think we
chose a very good spot.
1242
00:55:58,093 --> 00:55:59,573
Is that a turd or a seed?
1243
00:55:59,573 --> 00:56:01,053
That was a seed.
1244
00:56:01,053 --> 00:56:08,582
Location number
one is a bust.
1245
00:56:08,582 --> 00:56:13,239
Oh, it's cute.
1246
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,285
I love Roly-Poly's.
1247
00:56:16,285 --> 00:56:18,070
You documenting all this?
1248
00:56:18,070 --> 00:56:21,639
And then we saw an
earthworm, and a black bug.
1249
00:56:21,639 --> 00:56:22,683
But we didn't capture it.
1250
00:56:22,683 --> 00:56:29,081
But I saw it and my dad saw it.
1251
00:56:29,081 --> 00:56:30,343
Ana, start gathering
your stuff,
1252
00:56:30,343 --> 00:56:32,911
getting it organized by subject.
1253
00:56:32,911 --> 00:56:38,046
Okay.
1254
00:56:38,046 --> 00:56:42,399
We are having our first
meeting with our ES today.
1255
00:56:42,399 --> 00:56:45,489
And I'm really nervous about it.
1256
00:56:45,489 --> 00:56:50,842
She has a reputation
for being pretty stiff.
1257
00:56:50,842 --> 00:56:53,584
This is a learning plan.
1258
00:56:53,584 --> 00:56:57,326
And I have to fill out what
curriculum we're using.
1259
00:56:57,326 --> 00:57:01,505
What skills, concepts and
standards we're covering.
1260
00:57:01,505 --> 00:57:02,897
The assignments they did.
1261
00:57:02,897 --> 00:57:06,553
Any assessments,
follow up notes.
1262
00:57:06,553 --> 00:57:10,078
It's a lot of administrative
paperwork.
1263
00:57:10,078 --> 00:57:13,038
So, today I'm
showing the ES everything
1264
00:57:13,038 --> 00:57:15,736
out of my science section.
1265
00:57:15,736 --> 00:57:19,131
This is our project that
we did yesterday with Dad.
1266
00:57:19,131 --> 00:57:22,351
These are the exact books
that we turned in last year.
1267
00:57:22,351 --> 00:57:24,615
I don't have to use them.
1268
00:57:24,615 --> 00:57:27,095
But we're trying them out.
1269
00:57:27,095 --> 00:57:30,447
She has to see everything
they've done, graded.
1270
00:57:30,447 --> 00:57:34,276
And then she is -- she
has to take a sample
1271
00:57:34,276 --> 00:57:36,975
with her from each subject.
1272
00:57:36,975 --> 00:57:40,021
Instead of oversight, it
feels more like an overlord
1273
00:57:40,021 --> 00:57:42,763
that we're having to answer to.
1274
00:57:42,763 --> 00:57:46,027
And we're actually
doing things only
1275
00:57:46,027 --> 00:57:54,079
so that we can show
her that we did it.
1276
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:55,602
When she heard about
the science experiment,
1277
00:57:55,602 --> 00:57:57,299
she wasn't interested
in what it was at all.
1278
00:57:57,299 --> 00:57:59,171
She was just, like, okay,
can I see the lab write up?
1279
00:57:59,171 --> 00:58:01,260
And Lily's like, sure.
1280
00:58:01,260 --> 00:58:02,957
And so she tries to explain.
1281
00:58:02,957 --> 00:58:04,916
And so, she's like, I just need
the lab write up, thank you.
1282
00:58:04,916 --> 00:58:07,962
She doesn't really want to
get to know us, I can tell.
1283
00:58:07,962 --> 00:58:10,443
I feel like we should have some
sort of relationship with her.
1284
00:58:10,443 --> 00:58:12,663
If we're going to stay
with the charter school,
1285
00:58:12,663 --> 00:58:14,708
and she's going to stay our ES.
1286
00:58:14,708 --> 00:58:16,275
Which I'm hoping she doesn't,
1287
00:58:16,275 --> 00:58:20,061
because it's making
it stressful.
1288
00:58:20,061 --> 00:58:23,456
She actually taught us how to
jump through the hoops better.
1289
00:58:23,456 --> 00:58:25,371
She taught us -- she told us
1290
00:58:25,371 --> 00:58:28,113
where to find some online
quizzes that were really easy.
1291
00:58:28,113 --> 00:58:31,899
That we could print out to
give her to show her, as work.
1292
00:58:31,899 --> 00:58:34,162
It didn't mean that the girls
were going to learn anything.
1293
00:58:34,162 --> 00:58:35,816
It was just a matter
of, alright.
1294
00:58:35,816 --> 00:58:38,123
Let's print this out, so we
can hand it over to someone.
1295
00:58:38,123 --> 00:58:43,215
So they can make sure
that we're learning.
1296
00:58:43,215 --> 00:58:46,131
We're all really
obsessed with products
1297
00:58:46,131 --> 00:58:49,351
in this consumer
society of ours.
1298
00:58:49,351 --> 00:58:53,791
And we're also obsessed with
it in schooling -- product.
1299
00:58:53,791 --> 00:58:54,618
What did you do?
1300
00:58:54,618 --> 00:58:55,444
How did you perform?
1301
00:58:55,444 --> 00:58:56,402
What's your grade?
1302
00:58:56,402 --> 00:58:57,446
Show me the test score.
1303
00:58:57,446 --> 00:59:00,101
Show me the work that you did.
1304
00:59:00,101 --> 00:59:02,800
Whereas in homeschooling,
it doesn't have to be that.
1305
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,760
It can be about the process and
the journey of just learning.
1306
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,806
Because when we learn
in that way,
1307
00:59:08,806 --> 00:59:11,243
everything we learn
is internalized.
1308
00:59:11,243 --> 00:59:14,420
And it stays with us
for a really long time.
1309
00:59:14,420 --> 00:59:16,814
I think there are
creative teachers.
1310
00:59:16,814 --> 00:59:19,294
I think there are
innovative teachers.
1311
00:59:19,294 --> 00:59:21,470
And especially in
the public school,
1312
00:59:21,470 --> 00:59:23,429
I think they are handcuffed.
1313
00:59:23,429 --> 00:59:24,735
Not only are they
dealing with kids
1314
00:59:24,735 --> 00:59:26,345
that don't want to be there.
1315
00:59:26,345 --> 00:59:29,957
But they're dealing with
school boards and legislators.
1316
00:59:29,957 --> 00:59:32,307
And there are a whole lot
1317
00:59:32,307 --> 00:59:36,094
of constraints built
into the system.
1318
00:59:36,094 --> 00:59:38,879
I wish we could replace
compulsory education
1319
00:59:38,879 --> 00:59:41,534
with a smorgasbord of
learning opportunities.
1320
00:59:41,534 --> 00:59:42,840
And it could be much more
1321
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,233
like the junior college
and college model.
1322
00:59:45,233 --> 00:59:47,584
Where the kids get
to pick classes.
1323
00:59:47,584 --> 00:59:49,194
And they get to pick teachers.
1324
00:59:49,194 --> 00:59:51,849
Because not every teacher
is right for every student.
1325
00:59:51,849 --> 00:59:55,026
And not every class
is interesting.
1326
00:59:55,026 --> 00:59:57,898
So what would it look like
if children really did have
1327
00:59:57,898 --> 00:59:59,247
a choice?
1328
00:59:59,247 --> 01:00:04,078
What if they could
pick their own classes?
1329
01:00:04,078 --> 01:00:06,864
Just outside Portland,
Oregon is a place
1330
01:00:06,864 --> 01:00:08,692
that is turning the
conventional notions
1331
01:00:08,692 --> 01:00:12,609
of classroom learning
on its head.
1332
01:00:12,609 --> 01:00:14,480
Village Home is
a learning community
1333
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,221
for families that homeschool.
1334
01:00:16,221 --> 01:00:20,791
And we are a place where we
deliver individualized education
1335
01:00:20,791 --> 01:00:23,707
in a community setting.
1336
01:00:23,707 --> 01:00:27,014
At first blush, when you walk
in, it looks like some tables
1337
01:00:27,014 --> 01:00:28,581
and chairs and kids
sitting in them.
1338
01:00:28,581 --> 01:00:30,539
And somebody at the
front teaching.
1339
01:00:30,539 --> 01:00:32,063
But it's really not a school.
1340
01:00:32,063 --> 01:00:34,979
What is different is
the internal reality
1341
01:00:34,979 --> 01:00:36,284
for the children.
1342
01:00:36,284 --> 01:00:38,504
They are making a
choice to be there.
1343
01:00:38,504 --> 01:00:44,075
And they have been trusted by
their families, by the teachers.
1344
01:00:44,075 --> 01:00:46,164
To have a voice in
their own education.
1345
01:00:46,164 --> 01:00:49,689
And so, they're owning
that experience in a way
1346
01:00:49,689 --> 01:00:55,042
that is very different.
1347
01:00:55,042 --> 01:00:56,957
On that first CD, where
it says class equals purple,
1348
01:00:56,957 --> 01:00:58,480
ID equals purple.
1349
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,352
If you put ID equals
purple there, it will apply
1350
01:01:00,352 --> 01:01:01,788
that style right away.
1351
01:01:01,788 --> 01:01:03,355
As soon as the page is rendered.
1352
01:01:03,355 --> 01:01:07,576
Village Home offers a
huge range of different ages
1353
01:01:07,576 --> 01:01:10,754
and different topics and
different subjects of classes.
1354
01:01:10,754 --> 01:01:13,757
That you can take to
supplement your learning
1355
01:01:13,757 --> 01:01:15,410
that you do at home.
1356
01:01:15,410 --> 01:01:18,892
Or, you know, some people
are taking Village full-time.
1357
01:01:18,892 --> 01:01:21,765
Really, the backbone of
what we're about is choice.
1358
01:01:21,765 --> 01:01:26,770
And we don't think that learning
can happen if somebody is not
1359
01:01:26,770 --> 01:01:29,903
at choice in that equation.
1360
01:01:29,903 --> 01:01:32,776
All the students
really want to be there,
1361
01:01:32,776 --> 01:01:34,342
and they want to learn.
1362
01:01:34,342 --> 01:01:36,693
So it really changes
the environment
1363
01:01:36,693 --> 01:01:38,564
versus like, public schooling.
1364
01:01:38,564 --> 01:01:41,175
Where they're all
just counting the time
1365
01:01:41,175 --> 01:01:43,134
until it's lunch or recess.
1366
01:01:43,134 --> 01:01:44,788
Here's the question
on number two.
1367
01:01:44,788 --> 01:01:48,443
To our family, homeschooling
is more about the fact
1368
01:01:48,443 --> 01:01:50,141
that our family is
directing that.
1369
01:01:50,141 --> 01:01:52,534
Rather than some school
district, or some state,
1370
01:01:52,534 --> 01:01:54,319
or some federal mandate saying.
1371
01:01:54,319 --> 01:01:56,974
You know, this is where, when,
and what your child will learn.
1372
01:01:56,974 --> 01:01:59,193
Jack is someone who's grown up,
1373
01:01:59,193 --> 01:02:03,241
realizing that he has a very big
say in what he's going to learn.
1374
01:02:03,241 --> 01:02:05,330
And what he's going
to invest his time in.
1375
01:02:05,330 --> 01:02:07,767
And it's very different
from kids
1376
01:02:07,767 --> 01:02:11,031
who have been basically told
what they're going to learn.
1377
01:02:11,031 --> 01:02:13,033
And maybe they get one elective.
1378
01:02:13,033 --> 01:02:16,776
Our teachers have a lot of
free rein to do what they want
1379
01:02:16,776 --> 01:02:18,038
to do in the classroom.
1380
01:02:18,038 --> 01:02:19,997
And to be themselves
in the classroom.
1381
01:02:19,997 --> 01:02:22,390
And that's actually an important
part of the community too.
1382
01:02:22,390 --> 01:02:25,045
Is that there's a lot of
trust built into our system.
1383
01:02:25,045 --> 01:02:26,525
Introduction will
be something
1384
01:02:26,525 --> 01:02:28,657
that we are going
to do as a group.
1385
01:02:28,657 --> 01:02:30,572
I don't necessarily want
1386
01:02:30,572 --> 01:02:33,924
to be an absolute
authority in the class.
1387
01:02:33,924 --> 01:02:37,362
Because I think the kids are
as important to the class
1388
01:02:37,362 --> 01:02:40,191
as any other aspect
that I can think of.
1389
01:02:40,191 --> 01:02:41,583
And, in fact, I think
that one of the reasons
1390
01:02:41,583 --> 01:02:43,324
that I've been successful
as a teacher.
1391
01:02:43,324 --> 01:02:45,849
Is because the kids realize that
I'm not the person that's going
1392
01:02:45,849 --> 01:02:49,591
to be the authority
in that overt sense.
1393
01:02:49,591 --> 01:02:52,725
I'm the guy that's going to let
them have a participatory role
1394
01:02:52,725 --> 01:02:56,120
in these conversations.
1395
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:59,297
One of the things about
Village Home, in particular,
1396
01:02:59,297 --> 01:03:00,733
that is a real strength.
1397
01:03:00,733 --> 01:03:02,822
And this is true in home
education in general.
1398
01:03:02,822 --> 01:03:04,868
Is you have mixed-age learning.
1399
01:03:04,868 --> 01:03:08,480
And mixed-age learning
is so powerful.
1400
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,265
Ready?
1401
01:03:11,265 --> 01:03:12,092
Point.
1402
01:03:12,092 --> 01:03:13,746
Flex.
1403
01:03:13,746 --> 01:03:16,618
The tap and ballet class
is being led by a student
1404
01:03:16,618 --> 01:03:18,707
at Village Home who is sixteen.
1405
01:03:18,707 --> 01:03:20,318
And she's an accomplished
dancer.
1406
01:03:20,318 --> 01:03:23,538
And she wanted to provide
an intro to tap and ballet.
1407
01:03:23,538 --> 01:03:25,105
So she proposed a course.
1408
01:03:25,105 --> 01:03:27,151
And we put it in the catalog.
1409
01:03:27,151 --> 01:03:31,938
And so, the kids can definitely
express their leadership.
1410
01:03:31,938 --> 01:03:34,593
By providing learning
opportunities for other kids
1411
01:03:34,593 --> 01:03:41,034
in formal ways, and
not just informal ways.
1412
01:03:41,034 --> 01:03:45,038
All of the research indicates
that the intrinsic motivation
1413
01:03:45,038 --> 01:03:47,911
to learn declines
through adolescence.
1414
01:03:47,911 --> 01:03:49,477
And what we're finding
1415
01:03:49,477 --> 01:03:51,828
in our setting is actually
the opposite of that.
1416
01:03:51,828 --> 01:03:56,049
It's our teens that are asking
for more, and digging deeper,
1417
01:03:56,049 --> 01:03:58,138
and exploring new areas.
1418
01:03:58,138 --> 01:04:00,924
We should put in
more sample tags.
1419
01:04:00,924 --> 01:04:02,621
We want more classes.
1420
01:04:02,621 --> 01:04:03,970
We want them longer.
1421
01:04:03,970 --> 01:04:05,929
We want to be able
to delve deeper
1422
01:04:05,929 --> 01:04:09,541
into the material
and have more fun.
1423
01:04:09,541 --> 01:04:12,457
Because this is what
we are interested in.
1424
01:04:12,457 --> 01:04:17,070
And our interests, our
learning, becomes our fun.
1425
01:04:17,070 --> 01:04:18,680
I think the best
thing we're doing
1426
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:22,075
for the teens is we're not
isolating them from life.
1427
01:04:22,075 --> 01:04:24,861
These kids at Village Home and
that are being homeschooled,
1428
01:04:24,861 --> 01:04:27,037
are engaging in the real world.
1429
01:04:27,037 --> 01:04:36,481
And learning isn't
separated from life.
1430
01:04:36,481 --> 01:04:38,831
Hi Amy, it's Rachel.
1431
01:04:38,831 --> 01:04:41,703
After six months of
frustration with the system.
1432
01:04:41,703 --> 01:04:44,010
Rachel has decided to part ways
1433
01:04:44,010 --> 01:04:49,015
with the charter
school, for good.
1434
01:04:49,015 --> 01:04:51,452
I want to talk to
you about, you know,
1435
01:04:51,452 --> 01:04:55,021
our future in the
charter school.
1436
01:04:55,021 --> 01:04:57,806
And kind of what we're thinking.
1437
01:04:57,806 --> 01:05:00,722
Being part of the
charter school wasn't part
1438
01:05:00,722 --> 01:05:02,986
of the homeschool experience
that I wanted to have.
1439
01:05:02,986 --> 01:05:05,466
I still had to meet
the same requirements
1440
01:05:05,466 --> 01:05:06,990
that I did at school.
1441
01:05:06,990 --> 01:05:09,731
And I still had to write
essays and things like that,
1442
01:05:09,731 --> 01:05:11,995
that I had no interest in.
1443
01:05:11,995 --> 01:05:14,998
And so, I'm really glad
to be free of that.
1444
01:05:14,998 --> 01:05:17,348
Okay, so girls,
I don't know why.
1445
01:05:17,348 --> 01:05:19,567
But for some reason,
we have to still meet,
1446
01:05:19,567 --> 01:05:22,396
even though we just
quit the school.
1447
01:05:22,396 --> 01:05:24,746
We still have to meet
with her one more time.
1448
01:05:24,746 --> 01:05:27,662
Turn in samples in
every subject,
1449
01:05:27,662 --> 01:05:29,229
and show her our attendance log.
1450
01:05:29,229 --> 01:05:31,362
Uh, wait, we have to
do one for every subject?
1451
01:05:31,362 --> 01:05:32,885
Every subject.
1452
01:05:32,885 --> 01:05:34,104
We thought it would a
really good middle ground
1453
01:05:34,104 --> 01:05:38,412
between school and homeschool.
1454
01:05:38,412 --> 01:05:41,633
And it turned out to
be just school again.
1455
01:05:41,633 --> 01:05:46,290
We were doing a lot of
jumping through hoops.
1456
01:05:46,290 --> 01:05:48,945
Having to meet their
requirements.
1457
01:05:48,945 --> 01:05:52,513
Which ended up being busy work
and not necessarily educational.
1458
01:05:52,513 --> 01:05:54,689
My guess is there was a
pretty low retention rate
1459
01:05:54,689 --> 01:05:56,126
on what they did.
1460
01:05:56,126 --> 01:05:57,605
Because they weren't doing it
1461
01:05:57,605 --> 01:05:59,172
because they were
interested in it.
1462
01:05:59,172 --> 01:06:01,827
They were doing it because
someone told them they had
1463
01:06:01,827 --> 01:06:03,394
to do it.
1464
01:06:03,394 --> 01:06:05,048
We also have to turn in
all of our textbooks.
1465
01:06:05,048 --> 01:06:07,050
So we have to gather those up.
1466
01:06:07,050 --> 01:06:08,181
I'm a little bit nervous
1467
01:06:08,181 --> 01:06:09,748
about quitting the
charter school.
1468
01:06:09,748 --> 01:06:11,184
Just because I felt like
it was keeping me on track.
1469
01:06:11,184 --> 01:06:14,100
And it was my anchor, I guess.
1470
01:06:14,100 --> 01:06:16,973
But I feel good about it,
1471
01:06:16,973 --> 01:06:19,062
because it was so
much like school.
1472
01:06:19,062 --> 01:06:22,195
Okay, do you want
to give some samples
1473
01:06:22,195 --> 01:06:24,284
that you didn't turn in before?
1474
01:06:24,284 --> 01:06:26,199
It's hard to feel confident.
1475
01:06:26,199 --> 01:06:28,462
There's so many unknowns
in what we're doing.
1476
01:06:28,462 --> 01:06:30,595
The path isn't laid out for us.
1477
01:06:30,595 --> 01:06:38,298
You know, I feel a little
panic over, you know, now what?
1478
01:06:38,298 --> 01:06:43,347
I don't know what
we're going to do now.
1479
01:06:43,347 --> 01:06:44,304
Please.
1480
01:06:44,304 --> 01:06:46,045
Don't. Lily, I'm serious.
1481
01:06:46,045 --> 01:06:49,353
To make matters worse,
Ana and Lily are getting
1482
01:06:49,353 --> 01:06:51,398
on each other's nerves.
1483
01:06:51,398 --> 01:06:53,966
We're all kind of
driving each other nuts.
1484
01:06:53,966 --> 01:06:56,186
I am frustrated with them a lot.
1485
01:06:56,186 --> 01:07:01,060
I think that we're just kind
of stuck in the house too much.
1486
01:07:01,060 --> 01:07:04,107
Just let me be in
your room with you.
1487
01:07:04,107 --> 01:07:05,499
You know, I just
think that we need to get
1488
01:07:05,499 --> 01:07:06,718
out of the house more.
1489
01:07:06,718 --> 01:07:12,550
And we need more
social interaction.
1490
01:07:12,550 --> 01:07:15,509
Rachel finds a few online
homeschool networks specific
1491
01:07:15,509 --> 01:07:16,902
to her community.
1492
01:07:16,902 --> 01:07:19,209
And finds many opportunities
to get outside
1493
01:07:19,209 --> 01:07:22,081
and meet other homeschoolers.
1494
01:07:22,081 --> 01:07:25,693
I went to the beach recently
with a homeschooling network.
1495
01:07:25,693 --> 01:07:28,609
So I got to meet a
whole bunch of people.
1496
01:07:28,609 --> 01:07:30,655
I think that being
at school for all
1497
01:07:30,655 --> 01:07:33,614
of that time really
does define who you are.
1498
01:07:33,614 --> 01:07:39,664
A lot of girls have to be very
fake, instead of being real.
1499
01:07:39,664 --> 01:07:43,233
When I meet other homeschoolers,
they ask things more like,
1500
01:07:43,233 --> 01:07:45,017
what are you interested in?
1501
01:07:45,017 --> 01:07:47,759
And like, where have you lived?
1502
01:07:47,759 --> 01:07:50,109
Where do you want to go?
1503
01:07:50,109 --> 01:07:51,415
Ever since I've been
out of school,
1504
01:07:51,415 --> 01:07:53,025
I feel like I've been
a lot more myself.
1505
01:07:53,025 --> 01:07:55,854
Than I ever have been
in a really long time.
1506
01:07:55,854 --> 01:07:59,466
I get to just be myself now.
1507
01:07:59,466 --> 01:08:02,295
It blows me away that
after all these years,
1508
01:08:02,295 --> 01:08:03,862
there's still the question,
1509
01:08:03,862 --> 01:08:05,429
what about socialization?
1510
01:08:05,429 --> 01:08:09,128
What happens when they
get out in the real world?
1511
01:08:09,128 --> 01:08:18,181
And, you know, you just --
they never left the real world.
1512
01:08:18,181 --> 01:08:19,834
I love the question
of how do you socialize.
1513
01:08:19,834 --> 01:08:20,661
I think that's my favorite.
1514
01:08:20,661 --> 01:08:21,662
Because, I'm like --
1515
01:08:21,662 --> 01:08:22,968
Do you have any friends?
1516
01:08:22,968 --> 01:08:24,361
Well, I'm talking
to you right now.
1517
01:08:24,361 --> 01:08:26,624
And this is kind of how
it works, it's a back
1518
01:08:26,624 --> 01:08:27,799
and forth conversation.
1519
01:08:27,799 --> 01:08:28,626
Like, how do you
think I socialize?
1520
01:08:28,626 --> 01:08:30,323
Like everybody else.
1521
01:08:30,323 --> 01:08:31,846
Every homeschooler,
every homeschooled kid,
1522
01:08:31,846 --> 01:08:34,327
that's like the first --
either that or academics.
1523
01:08:34,327 --> 01:08:35,633
That's always what people ask.
1524
01:08:35,633 --> 01:08:36,895
Are you socialized?
1525
01:08:36,895 --> 01:08:40,159
What does it mean
to be socialized?
1526
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:41,552
One of the things
I like about my kids,
1527
01:08:41,552 --> 01:08:43,641
is that they're able to
socialize with adults.
1528
01:08:43,641 --> 01:08:45,947
You know, they're able to talk
to adults like they're people.
1529
01:08:45,947 --> 01:08:47,601
Because I talk to my
kids like they're people.
1530
01:08:47,601 --> 01:08:50,952
I can always tell when
I'm interacting with a child,
1531
01:08:50,952 --> 01:08:53,172
if they have learned
outside the classroom.
1532
01:08:53,172 --> 01:08:54,608
Because they look me in the eye.
1533
01:08:54,608 --> 01:08:56,436
They're comfortable
talking with me.
1534
01:08:56,436 --> 01:08:58,569
They're comfortable
with themselves.
1535
01:08:58,569 --> 01:09:00,136
It's so clear.
1536
01:09:00,136 --> 01:09:02,312
School is about preparing
kids for the real world.
1537
01:09:02,312 --> 01:09:04,879
But then we don't let them
get involved in the real world
1538
01:09:04,879 --> 01:09:07,708
for the full time that
they're in these institutions.
1539
01:09:07,708 --> 01:09:09,580
Somebody who is
opposed to home education.
1540
01:09:09,580 --> 01:09:11,930
The only thing they can pull
out is, well, how do we know
1541
01:09:11,930 --> 01:09:13,584
that they're being socialized?
1542
01:09:13,584 --> 01:09:15,803
As if getting your lunch money
stolen and getting beaten
1543
01:09:15,803 --> 01:09:20,243
up on your way to
class is socialization.
1544
01:09:20,243 --> 01:09:21,722
So let's get you set.
1545
01:09:21,722 --> 01:09:23,115
Do you need three?
1546
01:09:23,115 --> 01:09:24,812
Things are starting
to get a lot better.
1547
01:09:24,812 --> 01:09:27,032
We've started connecting
1548
01:09:27,032 --> 01:09:29,687
with some local homeschool
groups, which has been great.
1549
01:09:29,687 --> 01:09:32,951
Because the girls are
making connections there.
1550
01:09:32,951 --> 01:09:35,823
Also, I think I'm
starting to kind of let go
1551
01:09:35,823 --> 01:09:37,216
and relax a little bit.
1552
01:09:37,216 --> 01:09:39,958
I'm amazed at how
much I'm learning now.
1553
01:09:39,958 --> 01:09:44,571
And it's not that I have more
opportunities to learn now.
1554
01:09:44,571 --> 01:09:48,836
But I'm taking more
opportunities
1555
01:09:48,836 --> 01:09:50,577
to be part of learning.
1556
01:09:50,577 --> 01:09:58,281
And to just engage with life in
a more rich and fulfilling way.
1557
01:09:58,281 --> 01:10:00,413
What? Can't you
ask me for help?
1558
01:10:00,413 --> 01:10:03,286
Many of us start, thinking
that we're homeschooling
1559
01:10:03,286 --> 01:10:06,811
because we're going to give this
great education to our children.
1560
01:10:06,811 --> 01:10:09,553
But once you get into it,
1561
01:10:09,553 --> 01:10:13,121
you realize that it's
much more a lifestyle.
1562
01:10:13,121 --> 01:10:14,035
Good morning.
1563
01:10:14,035 --> 01:10:15,515
Rise and shine.
1564
01:10:15,515 --> 01:10:17,430
It's been twelve months
of this new lifestyle.
1565
01:10:17,430 --> 01:10:20,564
Todd, Rachel, Ana and
Lily are finally learning
1566
01:10:20,564 --> 01:10:23,262
to relax into it.
1567
01:10:23,262 --> 01:10:26,134
And it's changing
the family dynamics.
1568
01:10:26,134 --> 01:10:28,963
It's changing
everything about my life.
1569
01:10:28,963 --> 01:10:33,403
It reaches into every
part of my life.
1570
01:10:33,403 --> 01:10:36,710
It's been really nice to have
a lot more relaxed approach
1571
01:10:36,710 --> 01:10:38,408
to our days.
1572
01:10:38,408 --> 01:10:42,586
To have them be joyful, and
not, you know, full of stress.
1573
01:10:42,586 --> 01:10:48,722
And rushing, and anxiety, and
yelling, and stuff like that.
1574
01:10:48,722 --> 01:10:50,071
They've been given
permission to kind
1575
01:10:50,071 --> 01:10:51,986
of pursue their own interests.
1576
01:10:51,986 --> 01:10:54,772
And they're free to basically go
1577
01:10:54,772 --> 01:11:00,038
down any creative
path they want.
1578
01:11:00,038 --> 01:11:01,909
I want to show them what
I'm passionate about.
1579
01:11:01,909 --> 01:11:03,694
Like, unapologetically.
1580
01:11:03,694 --> 01:11:05,435
It's like, you can
take it or leave it.
1581
01:11:05,435 --> 01:11:06,740
You don't have to do it.
1582
01:11:06,740 --> 01:11:08,568
But, and obviously
art is that for me.
1583
01:11:08,568 --> 01:11:10,135
And, you know, as it turns out,
1584
01:11:10,135 --> 01:11:17,273
they both do a lot
of visual art.
1585
01:11:17,273 --> 01:11:19,927
Okay, so these are the
four main characters.
1586
01:11:19,927 --> 01:11:21,668
Let me tell you a little
bit about each one,
1587
01:11:21,668 --> 01:11:23,322
so you guys know what to do.
1588
01:11:23,322 --> 01:11:25,324
We're working on a little
family friendly puzzle game.
1589
01:11:25,324 --> 01:11:28,588
And so, we have a little
cast of characters.
1590
01:11:28,588 --> 01:11:30,111
They're kind of cute, you know.
1591
01:11:30,111 --> 01:11:31,069
Just come up with some ideas.
1592
01:11:31,069 --> 01:11:32,331
There's no wrong answers.
1593
01:11:32,331 --> 01:11:35,595
This is the time
called brainstorming.
1594
01:11:35,595 --> 01:11:39,382
I have Lily working on
some costume designs
1595
01:11:39,382 --> 01:11:42,385
for this Valkyrie, kind
1596
01:11:42,385 --> 01:11:46,258
of Viking warrior
girl that we need.
1597
01:11:46,258 --> 01:11:50,523
And then Ana is drawing a fairy.
1598
01:11:50,523 --> 01:11:51,959
They dig it.
1599
01:11:51,959 --> 01:11:57,574
Any chance to create,
they're just thrilled.
1600
01:11:57,574 --> 01:11:58,705
Okay, tell me what
you're thinking.
1601
01:11:58,705 --> 01:12:00,054
It's exciting, look at that.
1602
01:12:00,054 --> 01:12:01,404
Well, I was thinking like,
1603
01:12:01,404 --> 01:12:04,189
I was going to make
this more like that.
1604
01:12:04,189 --> 01:12:05,538
So she can run in it.
1605
01:12:05,538 --> 01:12:07,105
Yeah, that's good.
1606
01:12:07,105 --> 01:12:10,935
They have open access to
the art software that I use.
1607
01:12:10,935 --> 01:12:15,809
And, in fact, I leave the
art I'm doing professionally
1608
01:12:15,809 --> 01:12:17,333
on my screen.
1609
01:12:17,333 --> 01:12:18,682
And oftentimes, they'll
just come and work on it.
1610
01:12:18,682 --> 01:12:20,553
I'll make sure there's
saved versions,
1611
01:12:20,553 --> 01:12:22,686
so they can't screw up anything.
1612
01:12:22,686 --> 01:12:24,601
I like her hair being
really long too.
1613
01:12:24,601 --> 01:12:27,691
That might be cool, if it
was as long as she is tall.
1614
01:12:27,691 --> 01:12:29,040
Longer.
1615
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,347
I just let them
fully into my universe,
1616
01:12:31,347 --> 01:12:41,052
and we'll see what happens.
1617
01:12:41,052 --> 01:12:42,880
I'm learning so
much about my kids.
1618
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,012
It's amazing how
much I'm learning
1619
01:12:45,012 --> 01:12:47,188
about their personalities,
that I didn't know
1620
01:12:47,188 --> 01:12:48,668
when they were in school.
1621
01:12:48,668 --> 01:12:51,192
Lily is very determined.
1622
01:12:51,192 --> 01:12:53,804
She's always trying to figure
out what things she needs to do
1623
01:12:53,804 --> 01:12:56,241
to get from where she is
to where she wants to go.
1624
01:12:56,241 --> 01:12:59,549
I've been focusing
on gymnastics a lot.
1625
01:12:59,549 --> 01:13:04,118
I wake up and do
pushups and sit-ups.
1626
01:13:04,118 --> 01:13:06,599
Gymnastics is really expensive.
1627
01:13:06,599 --> 01:13:11,343
So to help pay for it,
I've been making things
1628
01:13:11,343 --> 01:13:15,478
and then selling them.
1629
01:13:15,478 --> 01:13:18,132
Lily has contacted a
professional seamstress,
1630
01:13:18,132 --> 01:13:20,483
who has agreed to help
her with a sewing project.
1631
01:13:20,483 --> 01:13:21,832
See how it stretches?
1632
01:13:21,832 --> 01:13:25,096
It does not stretch
when it goes like this.
1633
01:13:25,096 --> 01:13:29,448
Today I'm getting stuff
to make some jewelry pouches.
1634
01:13:29,448 --> 01:13:31,668
They're basically little
pouches that you can cinch
1635
01:13:31,668 --> 01:13:33,626
up with pockets and
pouches on the inside.
1636
01:13:33,626 --> 01:13:36,063
Do you think this
will be too stretchy?
1637
01:13:36,063 --> 01:13:37,500
No, it's fine.
1638
01:13:37,500 --> 01:13:40,285
Yeah. Yeah.
1639
01:13:40,285 --> 01:13:42,287
In addition to
learning about fabrics,
1640
01:13:42,287 --> 01:13:45,159
she gets a very practical
math lesson.
1641
01:13:45,159 --> 01:13:49,033
You can do 3.14 times 6,
gives you the circumference.
1642
01:13:49,033 --> 01:13:54,038
You need at least
that, and then pull it.
1643
01:13:54,038 --> 01:13:56,301
I got all the stuff I
needed for my jewelry pouch.
1644
01:13:56,301 --> 01:13:59,217
And I got the cord and stuff.
1645
01:13:59,217 --> 01:14:01,262
Now I'm just kind of
looking around and trying
1646
01:14:01,262 --> 01:14:02,307
to find some inspiration.
1647
01:14:02,307 --> 01:14:04,875
And like, I don't know.
1648
01:14:04,875 --> 01:14:07,094
I'm just getting a lot
of ideas for stuff, so.
1649
01:14:07,094 --> 01:14:08,705
You know what you should do?
1650
01:14:08,705 --> 01:14:11,708
It's just like, you should
become friends with somebody
1651
01:14:11,708 --> 01:14:13,797
that works as a costumer.
1652
01:14:13,797 --> 01:14:15,407
Or in dancing, or
something like that.
1653
01:14:15,407 --> 01:14:18,192
And you attach yourself to
them and be an apprentice.
1654
01:14:18,192 --> 01:14:19,411
And that's how you get in.
1655
01:14:19,411 --> 01:14:20,281
That's really smart.
1656
01:14:20,281 --> 01:14:22,153
Yeah.
1657
01:14:22,153 --> 01:14:25,504
That's kind of what I did.
1658
01:14:25,504 --> 01:14:26,853
That was pretty inspiring
1659
01:14:26,853 --> 01:14:29,290
to see just all sorts
of different fabric.
1660
01:14:29,290 --> 01:14:32,642
And seeing how much like,
she knows and everything.
1661
01:14:32,642 --> 01:14:34,295
It's very inspiring.
1662
01:14:34,295 --> 01:14:37,473
And it makes me realize how
much work I'll have to do.
1663
01:14:37,473 --> 01:14:50,050
And like, how much I
have to still learn.
1664
01:14:50,050 --> 01:14:53,184
The sea lions can bring
their back flippers forward.
1665
01:14:53,184 --> 01:14:55,534
And that allows them
to be able to walk
1666
01:14:55,534 --> 01:14:57,928
on all four flippers,
when they're on land.
1667
01:14:57,928 --> 01:15:00,757
I really, really
love marine biology.
1668
01:15:00,757 --> 01:15:04,587
Especially aquatic mammals.
1669
01:15:04,587 --> 01:15:06,763
I like that I have all
this time to be able
1670
01:15:06,763 --> 01:15:08,025
to follow my passions.
1671
01:15:08,025 --> 01:15:12,986
But I am a very serious
procrastinator.
1672
01:15:12,986 --> 01:15:16,468
I just don't really know how
to get where I want to go yet.
1673
01:15:16,468 --> 01:15:22,126
I'm trying to figure
it out, but it's hard.
1674
01:15:22,126 --> 01:15:27,261
I am really, seriously thinking
about going to high school.
1675
01:15:27,261 --> 01:15:35,182
High school is kind of an
easy thing to fall back on.
1676
01:15:35,182 --> 01:15:37,445
All my friends from
middle school are going
1677
01:15:37,445 --> 01:15:39,143
to the high school in the fall.
1678
01:15:39,143 --> 01:15:56,029
And I kind of want to
be there with them.
1679
01:15:56,029 --> 01:15:58,423
I want to ask you a
couple of questions about --
1680
01:15:58,423 --> 01:16:01,644
make sure you understand
your reasons for going.
1681
01:16:01,644 --> 01:16:03,167
Oh, I know.
1682
01:16:03,167 --> 01:16:04,951
Yeah. I don't know if I'm
going to stick with it.
1683
01:16:04,951 --> 01:16:06,518
But I at least want
to give it a chance.
1684
01:16:06,518 --> 01:16:09,608
Well, I wonder
if you can audit it,
1685
01:16:09,608 --> 01:16:11,654
like they do with
college classes.
1686
01:16:11,654 --> 01:16:15,266
Because if you just want to
be there with your friends,
1687
01:16:15,266 --> 01:16:16,310
that's understandable.
1688
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:18,008
That's not the only reason.
1689
01:16:18,008 --> 01:16:21,359
So you want to go there and
get into the textbook and --
1690
01:16:21,359 --> 01:16:24,580
I want to try it!
1691
01:16:24,580 --> 01:16:26,059
Okay, I respect that.
1692
01:16:26,059 --> 01:16:27,670
I don't necessarily want
1693
01:16:27,670 --> 01:16:29,410
to take the easy path
because it's easy.
1694
01:16:29,410 --> 01:16:31,978
But I just don't know what
else to do at this point.
1695
01:16:31,978 --> 01:16:36,069
Uh, however, if you do
end up going back to school.
1696
01:16:36,069 --> 01:16:39,377
There will be -- I'm not going
1697
01:16:39,377 --> 01:16:40,944
to be playing the
role of the nag.
1698
01:16:40,944 --> 01:16:42,119
And get your homework done.
1699
01:16:42,119 --> 01:16:43,294
And you can't go
here until you --
1700
01:16:43,294 --> 01:16:44,121
Okay.
1701
01:16:44,121 --> 01:16:45,122
You're owning it.
1702
01:16:45,122 --> 01:16:46,079
I'm okay with that.
1703
01:16:46,079 --> 01:16:47,428
You're going to own it.
1704
01:16:47,428 --> 01:16:49,300
I am absolutely,
100% okay with that.
1705
01:16:49,300 --> 01:16:50,693
And you're setting
your own alarm clock,
1706
01:16:50,693 --> 01:16:53,043
and you're getting yourself up.
1707
01:16:53,043 --> 01:16:54,218
Okay.
1708
01:16:54,218 --> 01:16:55,262
You're getting
yourself there.
1709
01:16:55,262 --> 01:16:56,742
If she does end up going back,
1710
01:16:56,742 --> 01:16:58,918
it's going to be a
fascinating social experiment.
1711
01:16:58,918 --> 01:17:02,139
To see what it will be like
for someone who's had tons
1712
01:17:02,139 --> 01:17:03,706
of freedom.
1713
01:17:03,706 --> 01:17:05,621
To going back into that kind
of confined environment,
1714
01:17:05,621 --> 01:17:08,101
where she has very
little freedom.
1715
01:17:08,101 --> 01:17:10,016
Should I tell you
some high school stories?
1716
01:17:10,016 --> 01:17:11,148
No.
1717
01:17:11,148 --> 01:17:12,584
How come?
1718
01:17:12,584 --> 01:17:14,064
Because.
1719
01:17:14,064 --> 01:17:15,718
I honestly think
there's a little bit of a --
1720
01:17:15,718 --> 01:17:19,156
some appeal to her to go back
into a structured setting.
1721
01:17:19,156 --> 01:17:22,725
And have someone else make
all those decisions for her.
1722
01:17:22,725 --> 01:17:24,770
And take all that
off of herself.
1723
01:17:24,770 --> 01:17:27,077
And just have to do what
they tell her to do.
1724
01:17:27,077 --> 01:17:29,079
I'm excited to
see how it goes.
1725
01:17:29,079 --> 01:17:30,689
But I'm also really
nervous about it.
1726
01:17:30,689 --> 01:17:37,565
It's going to be,
well, different.
1727
01:17:37,565 --> 01:17:38,915
Both my children wanted
1728
01:17:38,915 --> 01:17:41,308
to see what real high
school was like too.
1729
01:17:41,308 --> 01:17:45,399
And I remember my son came
home after the third day or so.
1730
01:17:45,399 --> 01:17:48,359
And he said, I don't know
how I ever learned anything
1731
01:17:48,359 --> 01:17:49,969
without grades.
1732
01:17:49,969 --> 01:17:51,667
Because we'd never had
grades before, you know.
1733
01:17:51,667 --> 01:17:57,847
And he was really into the
whole school and the grading.
1734
01:17:57,847 --> 01:17:59,936
And the papers and
the due dates.
1735
01:17:59,936 --> 01:18:01,372
And all of this.
1736
01:18:01,372 --> 01:18:03,417
They found it very
interesting and exciting.
1737
01:18:03,417 --> 01:18:07,900
And at the end of the semester,
I said, well, do you want to go
1738
01:18:07,900 --> 01:18:09,032
to the high school full-time?
1739
01:18:09,032 --> 01:18:11,164
And he said, no.
1740
01:18:11,164 --> 01:18:12,209
I said Why not?
1741
01:18:12,209 --> 01:18:15,038
And he said, because the kids
1742
01:18:15,038 --> 01:18:20,783
at the high school have
a really limited frame
1743
01:18:20,783 --> 01:18:23,046
of what they're thinking
about, Mom.
1744
01:18:23,046 --> 01:18:25,918
They're talking about
what's happening today.
1745
01:18:25,918 --> 01:18:27,311
What happened yesterday.
1746
01:18:27,311 --> 01:18:29,574
And what's going
to happen tomorrow.
1747
01:18:29,574 --> 01:18:34,013
But there's not much
beyond that.
1748
01:18:34,013 --> 01:18:35,711
Despite foregoing
high school,
1749
01:18:35,711 --> 01:18:37,538
both Jasmin's children
got into one
1750
01:18:37,538 --> 01:18:40,367
of the most competitive
universities in the country.
1751
01:18:40,367 --> 01:18:42,239
UC Berkeley.
1752
01:18:42,239 --> 01:18:44,720
I think our parents did
instill in us this idea
1753
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:46,460
that college was
something that was good.
1754
01:18:46,460 --> 01:18:47,810
That we wanted to achieve.
1755
01:18:47,810 --> 01:18:50,638
That, I think it
really was an end goal.
1756
01:18:50,638 --> 01:18:52,989
But there wasn't
the same pressure.
1757
01:18:52,989 --> 01:18:56,296
It was, you want to do
this for your own sake.
1758
01:18:56,296 --> 01:18:58,124
Not because we're
telling you to do it.
1759
01:18:58,124 --> 01:19:00,083
I just really love learning.
1760
01:19:00,083 --> 01:19:01,780
And there hasn't been
a pressure of oh, well,
1761
01:19:01,780 --> 01:19:05,262
you have to do this,
to become this.
1762
01:19:05,262 --> 01:19:07,960
And so, I wanted to
continue learning.
1763
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,746
If there's one
thing that I'm grateful
1764
01:19:10,746 --> 01:19:12,922
for in my entire
homeschooling experience.
1765
01:19:12,922 --> 01:19:17,361
If there's one thing that
it's given me, it's curiosity.
1766
01:19:17,361 --> 01:19:21,104
Colleges are falling all over
themselves to get homeschoolers
1767
01:19:21,104 --> 01:19:22,758
and kids from Democratic
schools.
1768
01:19:22,758 --> 01:19:26,109
Why? Because it's so
rare for them to get kids
1769
01:19:26,109 --> 01:19:29,808
that are still interested
in learning.
1770
01:19:29,808 --> 01:19:31,549
While Ana considers
the pros and cons
1771
01:19:31,549 --> 01:19:33,594
of going back to school.
1772
01:19:33,594 --> 01:19:37,120
Rachel tries to let her
daughter own the decision.
1773
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,818
There's definitely part
of me that is going to feel
1774
01:19:39,818 --> 01:19:41,472
like I've failed as a
homeschooling mother.
1775
01:19:41,472 --> 01:19:43,996
If Ana ends up going
back to high school.
1776
01:19:43,996 --> 01:19:46,564
You know, I'm going to worry and
wonder about what I did wrong.
1777
01:19:46,564 --> 01:19:48,609
Or what I could have
done differently.
1778
01:19:48,609 --> 01:19:52,439
So I've decided just to kind
of step back and allow her
1779
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:54,267
to make this decision.
1780
01:19:54,267 --> 01:19:57,967
And I'm going to have to
live with the consequences.
1781
01:19:57,967 --> 01:19:59,707
She's going to have to
live with the consequences.
1782
01:19:59,707 --> 01:20:03,363
But it will probably be a good
learning experience for her.
1783
01:20:03,363 --> 01:20:05,235
The hard part about being
a self-directed learner,
1784
01:20:05,235 --> 01:20:07,237
or the parent of a
self-directed learner.
1785
01:20:07,237 --> 01:20:10,501
Is separating expectations
from needs.
1786
01:20:10,501 --> 01:20:12,198
If you are a teenager,
you are expected
1787
01:20:12,198 --> 01:20:16,202
in so many different ways to
not only to just go to school.
1788
01:20:16,202 --> 01:20:18,944
But to learn certain
things at a certain time.
1789
01:20:18,944 --> 01:20:21,555
And as a parent, you're
supposed to be kind of pushing
1790
01:20:21,555 --> 01:20:24,123
that on your teenager.
1791
01:20:24,123 --> 01:20:26,691
That's a way that you
can be kind of living
1792
01:20:26,691 --> 01:20:28,432
out somebody else's dreams.
1793
01:20:28,432 --> 01:20:30,913
And as a self-directed
learner, you have to figure out,
1794
01:20:30,913 --> 01:20:32,305
gee, what are my dreams?
1795
01:20:32,305 --> 01:20:34,742
What are my priorities,
my goals, my needs?
1796
01:20:34,742 --> 01:20:39,008
Is it just what everyone
else is doing?
1797
01:20:39,008 --> 01:20:41,401
After several weeks
of weighing her options,
1798
01:20:41,401 --> 01:20:45,231
Ana has made her mind
up about high school.
1799
01:20:45,231 --> 01:20:47,930
A lot of the things that I'm
really interested in right now.
1800
01:20:47,930 --> 01:20:50,628
I realize that I don't
need school for them.
1801
01:20:50,628 --> 01:20:54,501
It's taken me a year and a
half to get to where I am.
1802
01:20:54,501 --> 01:20:56,373
To figure out what I'm
really passionate about.
1803
01:20:56,373 --> 01:20:58,288
And what I like to be doing.
1804
01:20:58,288 --> 01:21:00,943
And I feel like if
I went back now,
1805
01:21:00,943 --> 01:21:04,207
it would crush all this
momentum that I've gathered.
1806
01:21:04,207 --> 01:21:08,211
Hello. Hi, my name is Ana.
1807
01:21:08,211 --> 01:21:24,270
And I was curious
about volunteering.
1808
01:21:24,270 --> 01:21:26,142
Our entire life,
we've been guided
1809
01:21:26,142 --> 01:21:27,752
by teachers, or the principal.
1810
01:21:27,752 --> 01:21:29,449
Or by like, school rules.
1811
01:21:29,449 --> 01:21:30,798
Or by our mom.
1812
01:21:30,798 --> 01:21:32,539
We've been just, like, guided.
1813
01:21:32,539 --> 01:21:33,758
Like, this is what you do now.
1814
01:21:33,758 --> 01:21:35,978
This is what you do now.
1815
01:21:35,978 --> 01:21:38,806
And so, I think me and Lily
were just kind of expecting the,
1816
01:21:38,806 --> 01:21:40,243
this is what you do now.
1817
01:21:40,243 --> 01:21:41,766
And it never came.
1818
01:21:41,766 --> 01:21:43,942
So then recently, we took
it into our own hands.
1819
01:21:43,942 --> 01:21:45,117
And it's been great.
1820
01:21:45,117 --> 01:21:46,858
Like, I'm in charge
of what I do.
1821
01:21:46,858 --> 01:21:53,169
And it's fantastic.
1822
01:21:53,169 --> 01:21:55,345
I find sea stars
very fascinating.
1823
01:21:55,345 --> 01:21:57,216
So I like to teach
people a lot about them.
1824
01:21:57,216 --> 01:21:58,304
A lot of it I already knew.
1825
01:21:58,304 --> 01:22:00,045
A lot of it was taught to me.
1826
01:22:00,045 --> 01:22:01,655
And a lot of it, I just
researched on my own.
1827
01:22:01,655 --> 01:22:03,831
This is a sea star.
1828
01:22:03,831 --> 01:22:08,227
And these bumps that it has on
its skin are how it breathes.
1829
01:22:08,227 --> 01:22:11,404
And in here in the center,
that's where its stomach is.
1830
01:22:11,404 --> 01:22:15,060
I would really love
to become an expert
1831
01:22:15,060 --> 01:22:16,801
on whales or deep-water fish.
1832
01:22:16,801 --> 01:22:19,325
I would love to be right
there in a boat or right like,
1833
01:22:19,325 --> 01:22:23,112
in a submarine, exploring.
1834
01:22:23,112 --> 01:22:26,071
I think that being here
has given me a very like --
1835
01:22:26,071 --> 01:22:28,030
it's given me a really
good starting point
1836
01:22:28,030 --> 01:22:30,554
for my marine biology research.
1837
01:22:30,554 --> 01:22:32,034
And if the time comes
that I do want
1838
01:22:32,034 --> 01:22:33,426
to volunteer at a
larger aquarium.
1839
01:22:33,426 --> 01:22:36,516
Then I feel like
I really am ready.
1840
01:22:36,516 --> 01:22:39,606
I have learned like, the basic
skills that I would need.
1841
01:22:39,606 --> 01:22:42,000
And, of course, bigger aquariums
are going to have bigger fish.
1842
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:43,697
And more things to know.
1843
01:22:43,697 --> 01:22:58,060
But I definitely think that
I would be more prepared now.
1844
01:22:58,060 --> 01:23:01,150
Times are changing,
schools are not.
1845
01:23:01,150 --> 01:23:04,109
And parents want to know,
well, what can I give my child?
1846
01:23:04,109 --> 01:23:07,069
If the salvation of school is
really just an empty promise,
1847
01:23:07,069 --> 01:23:08,592
you know, what is it?
1848
01:23:08,592 --> 01:23:14,119
And then they realize, me,
my family, my community.
1849
01:23:14,119 --> 01:23:18,428
If you're thinking in terms
of what's best for your child.
1850
01:23:18,428 --> 01:23:22,954
You definitely have to at
least consider homeschooling.
1851
01:23:22,954 --> 01:23:27,350
Because the benefits
are just tremendous.
1852
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:29,439
What I'd like to
see is a world not
1853
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:31,136
where schools are gone.
1854
01:23:31,136 --> 01:23:32,703
I'd like to see a
world where there are
1855
01:23:32,703 --> 01:23:34,574
so many different
types of schools.
1856
01:23:34,574 --> 01:23:37,316
And a lot of different schools,
especially small schools.
1857
01:23:37,316 --> 01:23:39,057
That are trying out all
these different little,
1858
01:23:39,057 --> 01:23:40,841
innovative practices.
1859
01:23:40,841 --> 01:23:42,452
And they're tinkering.
1860
01:23:42,452 --> 01:23:46,630
And there's constant reform
and innovation happening.
1861
01:23:46,630 --> 01:23:50,112
That pretty much
everyone's needs get met.
1862
01:23:50,112 --> 01:23:51,765
And in that world,
there would be a lot
1863
01:23:51,765 --> 01:23:53,071
of homeschooling
and unschooling.
1864
01:23:53,071 --> 01:23:55,421
And there would be
a lot of school too.
1865
01:23:55,421 --> 01:23:56,814
And that's fine.
1866
01:23:56,814 --> 01:24:07,129
Because homeschooling
is not for everyone.
1867
01:24:07,129 --> 01:24:09,435
When I started, I thought
there was a destination
1868
01:24:09,435 --> 01:24:10,697
that we had in mind.
1869
01:24:10,697 --> 01:24:13,178
But I've kind of
learned that education
1870
01:24:13,178 --> 01:24:14,962
and learning isn't
a destination.
1871
01:24:14,962 --> 01:24:16,442
It's a journey that
you're always on.
1872
01:24:16,442 --> 01:24:19,445
I'm confident about
where the girls are going.
1873
01:24:19,445 --> 01:24:21,839
And so, it's like, how
can they be happy now?
1874
01:24:21,839 --> 01:24:23,928
Like, what do they want
to do with their life?
1875
01:24:23,928 --> 01:24:25,886
What do they want to accomplish?
1876
01:24:25,886 --> 01:24:30,630
My kids are still learning,
they're still evolving.
1877
01:24:30,630 --> 01:24:32,676
I'm still learning,
I'm still evolving.
1878
01:24:32,676 --> 01:24:34,373
We all are.
1879
01:24:34,373 --> 01:24:37,159
And I think that's a really
beautiful way to approach life.
1880
01:24:37,159 --> 01:24:39,726
Now, this is harder to
see, because the Fibonacci
1881
01:24:39,726 --> 01:24:41,511
in this is scaled really close.
1882
01:24:41,511 --> 01:24:43,469
So you have to look close.
1883
01:24:43,469 --> 01:24:45,297
We've tripped and stumbled,
1884
01:24:45,297 --> 01:24:48,039
and tried a whole bunch
of different things.
1885
01:24:48,039 --> 01:24:50,911
But I've learned that's
kind of a universal thing.
1886
01:24:50,911 --> 01:24:52,174
Everyone has to find
their own way
1887
01:24:52,174 --> 01:24:58,136
and find what works for them.
1888
01:24:58,136 --> 01:25:01,183
Each child is
a custom person.
1889
01:25:01,183 --> 01:25:03,576
You know, they have --
they're an individual.
1890
01:25:03,576 --> 01:25:05,187
Completely unique.
1891
01:25:05,187 --> 01:25:07,014
So you've got to
tailor it to your child.
1892
01:25:07,014 --> 01:25:08,625
And not just all your children,
1893
01:25:08,625 --> 01:25:10,366
each one individually,
specifically.
1894
01:25:10,366 --> 01:25:13,064
And then you just draw --
1895
01:25:13,064 --> 01:25:14,631
Our life as homeschoolers
isn't perfect.
1896
01:25:14,631 --> 01:25:17,808
Our life in the public
school system wasn't perfect.
1897
01:25:17,808 --> 01:25:19,462
There are tradeoffs.
1898
01:25:19,462 --> 01:25:22,073
And no matter what kind
of lifestyle you choose,
1899
01:25:22,073 --> 01:25:23,727
you're going to miss
out on something.
1900
01:25:23,727 --> 01:25:28,079
But for us, we find that
we're gaining things that are,
1901
01:25:28,079 --> 01:25:41,136
that make the tradeoffs
really worth it.
1902
01:25:41,136 --> 01:25:42,659
We have to lead
through example.
1903
01:25:42,659 --> 01:25:45,183
What is there 3 million plus
homeschoolers right now?
1904
01:25:45,183 --> 01:25:46,924
As that number, you
know, keeps creeping up.
1905
01:25:46,924 --> 01:25:48,621
More and more people are
going to know a homeschooler
1906
01:25:48,621 --> 01:25:50,319
or an unschooler
in their community.
1907
01:25:50,319 --> 01:25:53,800
And no longer will they be
some, you know, mysterious,
1908
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:55,541
stereotype-riddled freak show.
1909
01:25:55,541 --> 01:25:58,240
They will be a person who I
know who chooses homeschooling.
1910
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:00,285
And they're just fine.
1911
01:26:00,285 --> 01:26:05,508
Homeschooling is probably
the single strongest force
1912
01:26:05,508 --> 01:26:12,079
at changing the education
paradigm for everyone.
1913
01:26:12,079 --> 01:26:13,603
It's ripe for change.
1914
01:26:13,603 --> 01:26:15,474
And whether homeschooling,
unschooling,
1915
01:26:15,474 --> 01:26:19,086
or something else is going
to be that big change.
1916
01:26:19,086 --> 01:26:20,131
I'm not sure.
1917
01:26:20,131 --> 01:26:23,308
I think that's not as important
1918
01:26:23,308 --> 01:26:27,399
as keeping homeschooling
free and legal.
1919
01:26:27,399 --> 01:26:30,446
And available to any
person, any family,
1920
01:26:30,446 --> 01:26:32,491
who wants to step outside
of the traditional system.
1921
01:26:32,491 --> 01:26:36,278
I think as long as we
have that in place,
1922
01:26:36,278 --> 01:26:38,497
then the revolution is here.
1923
01:26:38,497 --> 01:26:42,497
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