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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:30,822 --> 00:00:35,441 [crickets chirping] 2 00:00:40,207 --> 00:00:45,042 [slowly building orchestral music playing] 3 00:01:02,980 --> 00:01:04,971 [russ solomon] way back when, 4 00:01:05,274 --> 00:01:09,768 when young teenagers had a collection of 45 rpm records, 5 00:01:11,989 --> 00:01:14,025 to me that was kind of exciting. 6 00:01:14,324 --> 00:01:15,564 that was almost better than having 7 00:01:15,867 --> 00:01:16,856 a big collection of cds, 8 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,276 albums, and everything else. 9 00:01:19,580 --> 00:01:23,448 but imagine, 45 records, 45 rpm records 10 00:01:25,002 --> 00:01:29,666 a better quality and less breakable than the 78 11 00:01:29,965 --> 00:01:31,876 of ten years before, 12 00:01:32,175 --> 00:01:35,463 but with all the music you ever wanted. 13 00:01:35,762 --> 00:01:38,378 and you could carry it around in a little box. 14 00:01:41,727 --> 00:01:43,342 that's what tower was about. 15 00:01:43,645 --> 00:01:45,010 believe me. 16 00:01:49,568 --> 00:01:51,729 it was the music that was meaningful 17 00:01:52,029 --> 00:01:53,519 to young people's lives. 18 00:02:01,413 --> 00:02:02,903 and we were how they got it. 19 00:02:03,206 --> 00:02:05,993 [dramatic string music playing] 20 00:02:18,305 --> 00:02:20,045 the first record i ever bought was 21 00:02:20,349 --> 00:02:23,762 bob wills, new san antone rose. 22 00:02:24,061 --> 00:02:25,267 it was like 35 cents. 23 00:02:25,562 --> 00:02:29,350 [big band music playing] 24 00:02:38,825 --> 00:02:42,864 the year was 1941, and my dad had a drug store 25 00:02:43,163 --> 00:02:44,403 called tower drugs. 26 00:02:44,706 --> 00:02:45,991 it was in the tower theater building. 27 00:02:46,291 --> 00:02:47,497 the drugstore was tiny, 28 00:02:47,793 --> 00:02:49,658 and yet they had everything in there. 29 00:02:49,961 --> 00:02:52,543 he had toys, he had liquor, he had magazines, 30 00:02:52,839 --> 00:02:56,206 cigarettes, perfume, cosmetics, candy, 31 00:02:56,510 --> 00:02:57,841 heh, you name it. 32 00:03:02,182 --> 00:03:04,798 so we had a soda fountain in that store as well, 33 00:03:05,102 --> 00:03:07,514 and on the soda fountain we had the jukebox. 34 00:03:07,813 --> 00:03:11,226 one day, my dad said, "why don't we sell used records?" 35 00:03:11,525 --> 00:03:12,765 he asked the jukebox operator bring in 36 00:03:13,068 --> 00:03:14,899 his used records, which he brought in 37 00:03:15,195 --> 00:03:17,402 and sold us the records for three cents 38 00:03:17,698 --> 00:03:19,780 and we turned round and sold them for a dime. 39 00:03:20,075 --> 00:03:22,316 we sold 'em out right away, so my dad said, 40 00:03:22,619 --> 00:03:23,950 "if we can sell used records, 41 00:03:24,246 --> 00:03:25,782 we ought to be able to sell new records." 42 00:03:26,081 --> 00:03:27,867 went in to san francisco where you could buy 43 00:03:28,166 --> 00:03:29,201 all the records wholesale. 44 00:03:29,501 --> 00:03:31,457 200 records cost about 45 00:03:31,753 --> 00:03:33,539 less than a couple a hundred bucks. [chuckles] 46 00:03:33,839 --> 00:03:35,795 so we said, "fine, we'll spend the 200 dollars, 47 00:03:36,091 --> 00:03:37,376 give us a franchise," 48 00:03:37,676 --> 00:03:39,291 and bang, we're in the record business. 49 00:03:39,594 --> 00:03:44,338 [big band music playing] 50 00:03:48,937 --> 00:03:51,895 during that period, my dad actually broke th rough 51 00:03:52,190 --> 00:03:55,523 the wall of the drugstore into the empty space next door, 52 00:03:55,819 --> 00:03:57,559 a little empty storefront, and he said, 53 00:03:57,863 --> 00:03:59,478 "we'll put the record department back th ere." 54 00:03:59,781 --> 00:04:02,193 so we decided to call it tower record mart. 55 00:04:02,492 --> 00:04:05,780 he couldn't complain too much because he was getting some free labor, 56 00:04:06,079 --> 00:04:07,944 but at the same time, he didn't like the idea 57 00:04:08,248 --> 00:04:09,283 that i should've been in school. 58 00:04:12,002 --> 00:04:15,961 and we realized right off the bat that this was a big deal. 59 00:04:16,256 --> 00:04:18,417 i went to my dad, i said, "well, i want to expand. 60 00:04:18,717 --> 00:04:20,548 i want to go in to this rack-jobbing business, 61 00:04:20,844 --> 00:04:23,005 expand our jukebox, and get this and that. " 62 00:04:23,305 --> 00:04:25,261 all kinds of wonderful things i wanted to do. 63 00:04:25,557 --> 00:04:28,890 he says: "no way, absolutely, no way. 64 00:04:29,186 --> 00:04:30,392 " don't bother me. 65 00:04:30,687 --> 00:04:32,143 "you want this thing, 66 00:04:32,439 --> 00:04:34,179 "you buy the record store from me, 67 00:04:34,483 --> 00:04:36,849 and then you do what you want, but i'm not financing it." 68 00:04:37,152 --> 00:04:38,517 i said, "all right." 69 00:04:38,820 --> 00:04:40,526 he says: "fine, it's yours tomorrow, 70 00:04:40,822 --> 00:04:42,028 "and here's the deal: 71 00:04:42,324 --> 00:04:43,939 "you have the inventory 72 00:04:44,242 --> 00:04:46,153 and you have the bills that the company owes, goodbye." 73 00:04:46,453 --> 00:04:47,659 [chuckles] 74 00:04:47,954 --> 00:04:51,037 and overnight, i was the owner of this thing. 75 00:04:55,879 --> 00:04:57,915 everything he did influenced me. 76 00:04:58,215 --> 00:05:02,254 it's, how do you say, that one imparts 77 00:05:02,552 --> 00:05:05,635 a whole style of life 78 00:05:05,931 --> 00:05:08,718 just by being close to you 79 00:05:09,017 --> 00:05:10,132 and you pick it up 80 00:05:10,435 --> 00:05:11,971 [mike solomon] he was a skinny guy 81 00:05:12,270 --> 00:05:13,430 who liked to have a lot of fun, 82 00:05:13,730 --> 00:05:15,140 loved music, loved dancing. 83 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,101 there was always music on in our house. 84 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:18,731 it seems like every evening 85 00:05:19,027 --> 00:05:22,440 my parents were dancing and partying. 86 00:05:22,739 --> 00:05:24,195 i'm sure there was some drinking. 87 00:05:24,491 --> 00:05:27,324 i probably started when i was five years old. 88 00:05:27,619 --> 00:05:28,984 i would go in to work with him 89 00:05:29,287 --> 00:05:31,118 and sort singles. 90 00:05:31,414 --> 00:05:34,781 it was quite a family affair, so my mother would be there. 91 00:05:35,085 --> 00:05:37,747 i think she was doing the bookkeeping at that time. 92 00:05:38,046 --> 00:05:41,004 my father had a fantasy and a dream 93 00:05:41,299 --> 00:05:45,884 and a desire to open up a supermarket of records. 94 00:05:46,179 --> 00:05:49,717 he then opened a record store at watt and el camino, 95 00:05:50,016 --> 00:05:51,256 it was a tiny little store, 96 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,096 about a thousand square feet, maybe. 97 00:05:53,395 --> 00:05:55,807 [russ]my wonderful friend who had been doing advertising 98 00:05:56,106 --> 00:05:57,767 for the drugstore, mick mickelson, 99 00:05:58,066 --> 00:05:59,647 he said, "well, we're changing your name. 100 00:05:59,943 --> 00:06:01,524 "tower record mart, that's too... 101 00:06:01,820 --> 00:06:03,481 "we're going to call it tower records 102 00:06:03,780 --> 00:06:06,863 "and we're going to use shell oil company colors. 103 00:06:07,158 --> 00:06:09,945 "and i'm going to design a letter that'll stand out, 104 00:06:10,245 --> 00:06:11,781 that nobody's ever seen before." 105 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,446 and he literally, drew that letter. 106 00:06:14,749 --> 00:06:17,661 you know, in sacramento there weren't very many places for kids to hang out. 107 00:06:17,961 --> 00:06:19,747 there was, like downtown, there was places, 108 00:06:22,215 --> 00:06:23,546 so it was, you know, 109 00:06:23,842 --> 00:06:25,298 tower books and records were in like this parking lot 110 00:06:25,594 --> 00:06:27,004 surrounded by nothing. 111 00:06:27,304 --> 00:06:29,590 and for kids in high school, that's what you did. 112 00:06:29,890 --> 00:06:31,255 you know, you went to tower records. 113 00:06:34,519 --> 00:06:36,180 [heidi cotler]it was the beginning of the folk era, 114 00:06:36,479 --> 00:06:38,015 and so we would sit in the parking lot at tower 115 00:06:38,315 --> 00:06:40,021 on our little sports cars and play music. 116 00:06:40,317 --> 00:06:42,273 so the guitar guys would come, and the banjo guys would come, 117 00:06:42,569 --> 00:06:44,810 and we'd play music in front of the record store 118 00:06:45,113 --> 00:06:47,104 and then you'd go into the record store and into the listening booths 119 00:06:47,407 --> 00:06:48,772 and listen to as much as you could 120 00:06:49,075 --> 00:06:51,316 because you couldn't afford to buy any records. 121 00:06:51,620 --> 00:06:52,951 .p walk right in .p 122 00:06:53,246 --> 00:06:54,827 .p sit right down .p 123 00:06:55,123 --> 00:06:58,536 i daddy let your mind go long... .p 124 00:06:58,835 --> 00:07:01,793 there were make out sessions in the listening booths, 125 00:07:02,088 --> 00:07:03,578 people had sex in listening booths. 126 00:07:03,882 --> 00:07:05,463 we put really big lights in there 127 00:07:05,759 --> 00:07:07,545 so they'd be as hot as possible 128 00:07:07,844 --> 00:07:09,584 so that you couldn't stay in there too long. 129 00:07:09,888 --> 00:07:13,722 j� do you want to lose your mind... i 130 00:07:14,017 --> 00:07:16,633 this store opened in 1961, i was eleven years old, 131 00:07:16,937 --> 00:07:18,393 it was the only place i knew. 132 00:07:18,688 --> 00:07:20,269 you'd walk down the aisle and you could just see 133 00:07:20,565 --> 00:07:22,476 from the front of the store to the back of that aisle, 134 00:07:22,776 --> 00:07:24,482 just these stacks of lps. 135 00:07:24,778 --> 00:07:26,564 you know, somebody came up with that terminology, 136 00:07:26,863 --> 00:07:28,478 stack 'em high and sell 'em low. 137 00:07:28,782 --> 00:07:31,740 yeah, the managers and the employees were young, 138 00:07:32,035 --> 00:07:34,868 they loved music, they were enjoying themselves. 139 00:07:35,163 --> 00:07:38,405 they were having a lot of fun, which was a good thing, 140 00:07:38,708 --> 00:07:40,414 because they weren't getting paid very much. 141 00:07:40,710 --> 00:07:42,666 and that was the beginning of tower records. 142 00:07:42,963 --> 00:07:45,454 j� daddy let your mind go long. .p 143 00:07:46,633 --> 00:07:48,749 i worked for tower for 37 years. 144 00:07:49,052 --> 00:07:51,919 i started when i was 19 years old, 145 00:07:52,222 --> 00:07:54,759 and it started out at the watt avenue store. 146 00:07:55,058 --> 00:07:57,014 [russ]stan was this kid that was the son 147 00:07:57,310 --> 00:08:00,097 of one of the pharmacists that worked for my father. 148 00:08:00,397 --> 00:08:03,355 he came to work and he said, "you gotta give the kid a job." 149 00:08:03,650 --> 00:08:04,639 i said, "okay, put him to work." 150 00:08:04,943 --> 00:08:06,524 i walked out in to the watts store, 151 00:08:06,820 --> 00:08:10,688 and this guy george horton came running up to the counter 152 00:08:10,991 --> 00:08:13,448 and looked at me and goes, "who are you?ii and i go, 153 00:08:13,743 --> 00:08:16,610 "oh, uh, i'm the new guy. my name's stan, how are ya?" 154 00:08:16,913 --> 00:08:20,531 and he says, "oh, great, you're here. 155 00:08:20,834 --> 00:08:21,698 charlie and i are going to lunch." 156 00:08:22,002 --> 00:08:23,492 and i went, "okay." 157 00:08:23,795 --> 00:08:26,081 he says, "good, everything's $3.88 158 00:08:26,381 --> 00:08:29,248 " except for frank sinatra, phase four, and command. 159 00:08:29,551 --> 00:08:31,382 "that's $4.88, see ya later. 160 00:08:31,678 --> 00:08:34,010 we'll be back in an hour." [chuckles] 161 00:08:34,305 --> 00:08:36,387 and there i was, that was my training. 162 00:08:36,683 --> 00:08:39,015 [stan]tower was like the place to work at 163 00:08:39,310 --> 00:08:40,846 because it was so open. 164 00:08:41,146 --> 00:08:43,558 plus, you could play whatever you want on the record player, 165 00:08:43,857 --> 00:08:45,688 so you could be an amateur dj, too, 166 00:08:45,984 --> 00:08:49,317 and it was definitely the place to work. 167 00:08:49,612 --> 00:08:51,477 what happened in the very early '603, 168 00:08:51,781 --> 00:08:54,614 '63, '64, was a couple of artists 169 00:08:54,909 --> 00:08:58,197 happened on the scene that just changed the world around. 170 00:08:58,496 --> 00:08:59,531 .p let's go surfin' now .p 171 00:08:59,831 --> 00:09:01,071 .p everybody's learning how .p 172 00:09:01,374 --> 00:09:04,036 i come on and safari with me i 173 00:09:04,335 --> 00:09:06,075 i come on and safari with me....p 174 00:09:06,379 --> 00:09:07,869 [russ] when the beach boys' early album 175 00:09:08,173 --> 00:09:09,583 surfin' safaricame out, 176 00:09:09,883 --> 00:09:11,339 all of a sudden, the business kind of shifted 177 00:09:11,634 --> 00:09:14,467 from a singles business to a lp business. 178 00:09:14,763 --> 00:09:15,923 then, of course, throughout the '6os 179 00:09:16,222 --> 00:09:18,213 as the baby boomers kind of came of age 180 00:09:18,516 --> 00:09:21,178 and there started being more and more potential buyers of these records. 181 00:09:21,478 --> 00:09:24,345 the great thing for the record industry was that they cost a lot more. 182 00:09:24,647 --> 00:09:26,433 so instead of spending 49 cents 183 00:09:26,733 --> 00:09:28,473 or whatever it was on a single back then, 184 00:09:28,777 --> 00:09:31,063 people were spending $3.99 or $4.99 185 00:09:31,362 --> 00:09:32,898 or $5.99 on an album. 186 00:09:33,198 --> 00:09:35,439 [russ]we could literally sell a thousand copies of a record 187 00:09:35,742 --> 00:09:37,778 over a weekend, or something like that, 188 00:09:38,078 --> 00:09:39,614 which was incredible. 189 00:09:39,913 --> 00:09:41,494 the hits began to sell in quantity, 190 00:09:41,790 --> 00:09:43,906 the kids came in more and more, 191 00:09:44,209 --> 00:09:45,415 they grew up with it, 192 00:09:45,710 --> 00:09:47,666 they widened their taste in music. 193 00:09:47,962 --> 00:09:50,499 by the late '6os, radio began to explore 194 00:09:50,799 --> 00:09:52,209 something besides top 40. 195 00:09:52,509 --> 00:09:56,252 you had these really free form radio stations. 196 00:09:56,554 --> 00:09:59,887 they were changing the way that everybody looked at music, 197 00:10:00,183 --> 00:10:01,468 and we just rode that wave. 198 00:10:01,768 --> 00:10:03,008 .p let's go surfin' now .p 199 00:10:03,311 --> 00:10:04,596 .p everybody's learnin' how i 200 00:10:04,896 --> 00:10:07,729 i come on and safari with me i 201 00:10:08,024 --> 00:10:09,514 i come on and safari with me...i 202 00:10:09,818 --> 00:10:11,228 [steve knopper] but as the '603 went on, 203 00:10:11,528 --> 00:10:12,768 you had one lp after another 204 00:10:13,071 --> 00:10:14,982 that was a huge artistic statement. 205 00:10:15,281 --> 00:10:17,863 sergeant pepper and pet sounds and on and on and on. 206 00:10:18,159 --> 00:10:19,524 then suddenly, you started to have 207 00:10:19,828 --> 00:10:21,739 more and more cash coming in to the record industry. 208 00:10:22,038 --> 00:10:23,949 and that was exactly the time 209 00:10:24,249 --> 00:10:25,864 that tower records really started to peak 210 00:10:26,167 --> 00:10:28,909 in that first wave where russ had opened his store. 211 00:10:29,212 --> 00:10:30,668 [mike]well, he would talk about it all the time, 212 00:10:30,964 --> 00:10:33,125 how important it was to have a big inventory, 213 00:10:33,424 --> 00:10:37,918 and how he wanted to open up a very big store. 214 00:10:38,221 --> 00:10:42,134 the largest store in the world in a big city. 215 00:10:45,061 --> 00:10:47,427 she was pretty. i wish i could remember her name. 216 00:10:47,730 --> 00:10:51,439 she was a manicurist at a barbershop that i used to go to, 217 00:10:51,734 --> 00:10:56,728 and i just accidentally ran into her in a bar in sacramento, 218 00:10:57,031 --> 00:10:59,864 sitting there and saying, "why don't we take a trip? 219 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:01,741 why don't we go to san francisco?" and she says, "yes." 220 00:11:02,036 --> 00:11:03,572 so off to san francisco we went. 221 00:11:03,872 --> 00:11:06,363 i mean, this was early, like five o'clock or so 222 00:11:06,666 --> 00:11:08,156 in the afternoon. 223 00:11:08,459 --> 00:11:10,074 an hour and a half later, we're in san francisco 224 00:11:10,378 --> 00:11:12,744 having dinner and drinks, and dinner and drinks, 225 00:11:13,047 --> 00:11:15,789 and dinner and drinks, and a little jazz. 226 00:11:16,092 --> 00:11:18,504 getting pretty drunk, as a matter of fact. 227 00:11:18,803 --> 00:11:20,759 later on ending up at a hotel. 228 00:11:21,055 --> 00:11:22,591 and the next morning, 229 00:11:22,891 --> 00:11:24,722 i was hung over, badly, 230 00:11:25,018 --> 00:11:26,303 and had to do something 231 00:11:26,603 --> 00:11:30,095 about trying to get well to drive back to sacramento. 232 00:11:30,398 --> 00:11:34,391 so we went down to a drive-in at columbus and bay. 233 00:11:34,694 --> 00:11:37,652 i could get a nice greasy breakfast and a lot of coffee, 234 00:11:37,947 --> 00:11:39,312 so went in there 235 00:11:39,616 --> 00:11:42,699 and i'm sitting in there with this awful hangover 236 00:11:42,994 --> 00:11:44,950 and i looked across the street, 237 00:11:45,246 --> 00:11:48,488 and there was this empty building. 238 00:11:48,791 --> 00:11:51,624 and a big sign on it that said, " for lease." 239 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,411 the only thing that looked alive on that property 240 00:11:54,714 --> 00:11:55,999 was a telephone booth. 241 00:11:56,299 --> 00:11:57,584 i went over to that telephone booth 242 00:11:57,884 --> 00:11:59,590 and i called the number on the sign, 243 00:11:59,886 --> 00:12:01,922 and i said, "you want to rent this place?" 244 00:12:02,222 --> 00:12:03,678 the guy said, "love to." 245 00:12:03,973 --> 00:12:05,713 and i made a deal, just like that. 246 00:12:06,017 --> 00:12:09,180 ['6os music playing] 247 00:12:12,357 --> 00:12:14,518 it actually was this huge building, 248 00:12:14,817 --> 00:12:16,899 and the record company people said, 249 00:12:17,195 --> 00:12:19,777 "where are you going to put the refrigerators and the washing machines and stoves?" 250 00:12:20,073 --> 00:12:21,859 and he said, "it's all going to be records." 251 00:12:22,158 --> 00:12:24,820 and they said, "okay, you know what? this is such an insane idea, 252 00:12:25,119 --> 00:12:27,701 that you'll be gone in three months. we're going to back you." 253 00:12:27,997 --> 00:12:29,737 so he basically opened that whole san francisco store 254 00:12:30,041 --> 00:12:32,578 on nothing more than the record company's money. 255 00:12:32,877 --> 00:12:34,037 [russ]luckily, my cousin ross 256 00:12:34,337 --> 00:12:36,874 was a builder, electrical, carpentry, 257 00:12:37,173 --> 00:12:39,459 and so he volunteered, "oh, i'll go down and fix it up. 258 00:12:39,759 --> 00:12:40,919 put some lighting in there. 259 00:12:41,219 --> 00:12:42,629 put a new floor in, and paint it. " 260 00:12:42,929 --> 00:12:43,839 and that was it. 261 00:12:44,138 --> 00:12:45,469 he went and did it. 262 00:12:45,765 --> 00:12:47,847 there was no way we could, you know, heh, 263 00:12:48,142 --> 00:12:50,975 afford a neon sign or anything like that. 264 00:12:51,271 --> 00:12:53,432 so we opened a store, 265 00:12:53,731 --> 00:12:57,098 and it just takes off like, like a rocket. 266 00:13:00,947 --> 00:13:02,733 i mean, the day the place opened up, 267 00:13:03,032 --> 00:13:05,944 people are swarming in there, literally. 268 00:13:06,244 --> 00:13:08,280 there's a picture around of me standing there 269 00:13:08,579 --> 00:13:10,240 with these people all over the place. 270 00:13:10,540 --> 00:13:11,825 it was unbelievable. 271 00:13:12,125 --> 00:13:13,706 [david geffen]if you go to san francisco, 272 00:13:14,002 --> 00:13:15,663 be sure to where flowers in your hair. 273 00:13:15,962 --> 00:13:17,827 i mean, you know you walked through the streets of san francisco 274 00:13:18,131 --> 00:13:19,871 and there were people smoking pot 275 00:13:20,174 --> 00:13:21,755 and having little daisies in their hair 276 00:13:22,051 --> 00:13:24,133 and hanging out, and the fillmore was packed, 277 00:13:24,429 --> 00:13:25,965 and, you know, it was a change. 278 00:13:26,264 --> 00:13:29,301 people were against the war, and against segregation, 279 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,966 and there was a lot of political feeling in the world, 280 00:13:32,270 --> 00:13:34,135 and a lot of it was centered in the change 281 00:13:34,439 --> 00:13:36,350 that was happening in san francisco 282 00:13:36,649 --> 00:13:40,312 and that's the cauldron in which tower records was born. 283 00:13:40,611 --> 00:13:43,398 [russ] so consequently, there were people pouring into san francisco 284 00:13:43,698 --> 00:13:45,905 from all over northern california, 285 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,531 and for that matter, all over the world, 286 00:13:47,827 --> 00:13:49,909 to experience what could be called 287 00:13:50,204 --> 00:13:51,910 the hippie kind of movement, if you will, 288 00:13:52,206 --> 00:13:54,743 but mostly the music movement that was happening down there. 289 00:13:55,043 --> 00:13:56,579 all the san francisco bands 290 00:13:56,878 --> 00:13:58,584 and the new music, and so many of the people 291 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,872 who went in to be entertained by the music in san francisco, 292 00:14:02,175 --> 00:14:03,836 wanted to know where that music came from. 293 00:14:04,135 --> 00:14:06,342 they want to know the roots of that music. 294 00:14:06,637 --> 00:14:08,878 i like a sound you hear that lingers in your ear i 295 00:14:09,182 --> 00:14:13,596 i but you can't forget from sundown to sunset i 296 00:14:13,895 --> 00:14:16,352 i now now i 297 00:14:16,647 --> 00:14:18,888 i it's all in the air you hear it everywhere i 298 00:14:19,192 --> 00:14:24,778 i and no matter what you do it's going to grab a hold on you i 299 00:14:25,073 --> 00:14:27,689 i california soul i 300 00:14:27,992 --> 00:14:30,779 [mike]what was particularly unique about that store 301 00:14:31,079 --> 00:14:32,785 was how much music it had. 302 00:14:33,081 --> 00:14:34,366 customers were so excited, 303 00:14:34,665 --> 00:14:36,246 you could almost see their eyes light up 304 00:14:36,542 --> 00:14:38,828 well, i think the inventory made a big difference, 305 00:14:39,128 --> 00:14:42,120 because they wanted everything to begin with. 306 00:14:42,423 --> 00:14:45,881 i whistles a mellow beat i 307 00:14:46,177 --> 00:14:50,841 i so the people started to sing i 308 00:14:51,140 --> 00:14:52,926 the thing that was amazing to me 309 00:14:53,226 --> 00:14:55,057 was just the sheer... 310 00:14:55,353 --> 00:14:59,016 like, almost seemed like an unlimited types of music. 311 00:14:59,315 --> 00:15:02,432 things like spoken word and comedy and sound effects 312 00:15:02,735 --> 00:15:05,943 and international and jazz, trend jazz, big band, 313 00:15:06,239 --> 00:15:07,524 i mean, it was unbelievable. 314 00:15:07,824 --> 00:15:09,280 tower wasn't just a group of departments, 315 00:15:09,575 --> 00:15:12,157 it was a group of little stores within one roof, 316 00:15:12,453 --> 00:15:14,910 i mean, there was a jazz store, there was a classical store, 317 00:15:15,206 --> 00:15:16,912 and you got to know those people, 318 00:15:17,208 --> 00:15:19,164 they got to know your tastes, you got to know theirs, 319 00:15:19,460 --> 00:15:21,075 that's how you learned about music, 320 00:15:21,379 --> 00:15:24,212 and that's also what brought you back into the store. 321 00:15:24,507 --> 00:15:26,623 [russ]all of a sudden, it would become fashionable 322 00:15:26,926 --> 00:15:28,882 for those young people to find something 323 00:15:29,178 --> 00:15:30,918 that they want to hold in their hand, 324 00:15:31,222 --> 00:15:34,714 that they want to collect, that it's hip to collect, 325 00:15:35,017 --> 00:15:36,177 that has music on it. 326 00:15:36,477 --> 00:15:38,763 well, first, there was the thrill 327 00:15:39,063 --> 00:15:42,271 of being surrounded by music. 328 00:15:42,567 --> 00:15:45,400 80 percent of it is a complete mystery to you. 329 00:15:45,695 --> 00:15:48,232 so when we came west, we were shocked 330 00:15:48,531 --> 00:15:51,648 at the size of tower records, and simply, 331 00:15:51,951 --> 00:15:55,535 how many records there were. [chuckles] 332 00:15:55,830 --> 00:15:59,573 everybody in a record store is a little bit of your friend 333 00:15:59,876 --> 00:16:02,913 for twenty minutes or so, you know? [chuckles] 334 00:16:03,212 --> 00:16:07,376 so there was that family aspect of a real record store. 335 00:16:07,675 --> 00:16:09,540 it started out as a small family 336 00:16:09,844 --> 00:16:11,835 here in sacramento with just a few of us 337 00:16:12,138 --> 00:16:14,925 and as time went on, the company got bigger and bigger and bigger, 338 00:16:15,224 --> 00:16:17,215 it just became a bigger and bigger family. 339 00:16:17,518 --> 00:16:19,258 [heidi]it was my second year in college 340 00:16:19,562 --> 00:16:21,473 and i didn't like college. i was moving out of the house 341 00:16:21,772 --> 00:16:23,182 and i decided i needed to get a job. 342 00:16:23,483 --> 00:16:25,098 i wanted to go some place and make some money. 343 00:16:25,401 --> 00:16:27,437 i applied for the record store on watt avenue. 344 00:16:27,737 --> 00:16:29,273 they weren't hiring girls that year, 345 00:16:29,572 --> 00:16:31,437 they'd already had one and she hadn't worked out. 346 00:16:31,741 --> 00:16:33,652 so th ese two gentlemen that were running the bookstore, 347 00:16:33,951 --> 00:16:35,566 and the bookstore opened in '62, 348 00:16:35,870 --> 00:16:37,701 so it had only been open for three years. 349 00:16:37,997 --> 00:16:40,830 they wouldn't let us wear pants, either. we had to wear skirts. 350 00:16:41,125 --> 00:16:42,740 so they could, of course, look up our skirts. 351 00:16:43,044 --> 00:16:44,500 [russ]heidi was a girl that worked for me 352 00:16:44,795 --> 00:16:46,831 in the book division, in the bookstore, 353 00:16:47,131 --> 00:16:49,372 the very first bookstore in sacramento. 354 00:16:49,675 --> 00:16:52,087 [heidi]he walks into the store and the first thing he sees in this bookstore 355 00:16:52,386 --> 00:16:54,126 is this woman in leopard skin underwear 356 00:16:54,430 --> 00:16:56,716 and a mini skirt hanging desiderata posters, 357 00:16:57,016 --> 00:16:58,506 and that was me. 358 00:16:58,809 --> 00:17:02,267 i showed up, and i wasn't a weenie, and i worked hard, 359 00:17:02,563 --> 00:17:04,895 and i wasn't going to be put down. 360 00:17:05,191 --> 00:17:08,024 and learned how to swear, and learned how to drink, 361 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:10,184 i learned how to do drugs. [laughs] 362 00:17:10,488 --> 00:17:12,854 [mark viducich] i think we were with some friends one afternoon, 363 00:17:13,157 --> 00:17:14,738 it was late evening, 364 00:17:15,034 --> 00:17:17,195 i honest to god think we stole a couple of records from tower, 365 00:17:17,495 --> 00:17:18,951 and it wasn't the last one i ever took 366 00:17:19,247 --> 00:17:20,987 after i started working there, of course, 367 00:17:21,290 --> 00:17:22,405 but it was fun. 368 00:17:22,708 --> 00:17:24,289 first day, i think i went to el chico, 369 00:17:24,585 --> 00:17:26,291 which was the local bar down the street, 370 00:17:26,587 --> 00:17:29,078 probably spent three hours at lunch having a few cocktails 371 00:17:29,382 --> 00:17:30,747 and came back to work. 372 00:17:31,050 --> 00:17:33,086 that's pretty much how it went for a long time. 373 00:17:33,386 --> 00:17:36,719 mark is crazy, he's totally nuts. 374 00:17:37,014 --> 00:17:38,345 but he could do anything. 375 00:17:38,641 --> 00:17:40,177 viducich, sid vicious, we called him sid vicious 376 00:17:40,476 --> 00:17:42,432 because he was the nastiest mother on the planet. 377 00:17:42,728 --> 00:17:45,435 you know he could ream your ass like nobody's business. 378 00:17:45,731 --> 00:17:47,221 i'll go drink whenever the hell i want, 379 00:17:47,525 --> 00:17:49,015 and please don't ever talk to me that way again. 380 00:17:49,318 --> 00:17:51,104 no, there was nothing like that. 381 00:17:51,404 --> 00:17:52,610 course it helped that your best friend 382 00:17:52,905 --> 00:17:54,190 was the manager of the store, too. 383 00:17:54,490 --> 00:17:56,947 my dad and russ are first cousins. 384 00:17:57,243 --> 00:18:01,327 my father actually ran the cafe at the tower drugstore. 385 00:18:01,622 --> 00:18:03,954 and so that's where the connection is with tower drugs. 386 00:18:04,250 --> 00:18:07,868 so my father actually ended up working at tower records too. 387 00:18:08,170 --> 00:18:11,037 he did store development for russ for many years, 388 00:18:11,340 --> 00:18:14,457 so when we built new stores, my father, ross, 389 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,296 was the person who built those stores, 390 00:18:16,596 --> 00:18:18,587 so obviously, it was easy for me to get a job 391 00:18:18,889 --> 00:18:21,050 working at tower when i got out of high school. 392 00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:22,339 i went to work for the book division 393 00:18:22,643 --> 00:18:25,726 as a clerk and then advertising. 394 00:18:26,022 --> 00:18:28,138 so i ran the advertising for the book division. 395 00:18:28,441 --> 00:18:29,977 then i went into community relations, 396 00:18:30,276 --> 00:18:32,437 and bringing in authors for book signings. 397 00:18:32,737 --> 00:18:35,900 virtually everyone in the company started off as a clerk. 398 00:18:36,198 --> 00:18:38,154 they'd become buyers, they'd become 399 00:18:38,451 --> 00:18:40,988 supervisor types in the store. 400 00:18:41,287 --> 00:18:43,994 th ey'd become assistant managers and then they'd become managers, 401 00:18:44,290 --> 00:18:45,996 so they learn everything they need to learn. 402 00:18:46,292 --> 00:18:49,625 and the entire development of tower records 403 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,208 through the entire period of time it existed 404 00:18:53,507 --> 00:18:55,247 was just that kind of a thing. 405 00:18:55,551 --> 00:18:57,166 [heidi]as a woman, i just said, 406 00:18:57,470 --> 00:18:58,755 "i'm not even going to think about being a woman." 407 00:18:59,055 --> 00:19:00,795 there're no excuses, no period stuff. 408 00:19:01,098 --> 00:19:03,680 i mean, i went in to labor twice behind the counter. 409 00:19:03,976 --> 00:19:07,184 because i was determined to be treated as an equal, 410 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,220 because i was the first female hired, 411 00:19:09,523 --> 00:19:11,184 i was the first female vice president, 412 00:19:11,484 --> 00:19:12,564 i was the first female general manager, 413 00:19:12,860 --> 00:19:14,066 i was the first manager, 414 00:19:14,362 --> 00:19:17,320 so i unknowingly had this responsibility 415 00:19:17,615 --> 00:19:19,025 to be kind of the mentor 416 00:19:19,325 --> 00:19:21,316 for these women coming up behind me. 417 00:19:21,619 --> 00:19:24,326 [russ] it isn't what we as a company could teach our employees, 418 00:19:24,622 --> 00:19:27,489 but what other employees could teach each other. 419 00:19:27,792 --> 00:19:31,501 that family kind of thing is what made the company grow, 420 00:19:31,796 --> 00:19:33,411 and what made the company successful. 421 00:19:33,714 --> 00:19:35,250 i'm convinced of that. 422 00:19:35,549 --> 00:19:37,460 that's my old tom sawyer theory of management. 423 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,341 let somebody else paint the fence. 424 00:19:39,637 --> 00:19:41,719 but we had the freedom to do whatever we wanted, 425 00:19:42,014 --> 00:19:44,801 i mean he literally gave us these stores with all this product in it, 426 00:19:45,101 --> 00:19:49,435 and said, "okay, show up, do the job right, 427 00:19:49,730 --> 00:19:52,221 don't screw me over." and then left us alone. 428 00:19:52,525 --> 00:19:54,982 one key to the success of tower records, 429 00:19:55,277 --> 00:19:56,892 particularly in that period, 430 00:19:57,196 --> 00:19:58,356 is we had no dress code. 431 00:19:58,656 --> 00:20:00,612 i really believe that a lot of people 432 00:20:00,908 --> 00:20:03,900 wanted to come to work for us, young people especially, 433 00:20:04,203 --> 00:20:06,865 so they wouldn't have to be told how to dress. 434 00:20:07,164 --> 00:20:08,995 [ken sockolov]the people who worked at tower 435 00:20:09,291 --> 00:20:10,997 were musicians in many cases. 436 00:20:11,293 --> 00:20:12,829 [dave grohl] i got a job at tower records 437 00:20:13,129 --> 00:20:15,836 because that's the only place i could get a job 438 00:20:16,132 --> 00:20:18,168 with my fucking haircut. 439 00:20:18,467 --> 00:20:20,583 that is the truth. [chuckles] 440 00:20:20,886 --> 00:20:23,093 i love tower records, and i love music, 441 00:20:23,389 --> 00:20:26,631 and i only wanted to work at tower records 442 00:20:26,934 --> 00:20:30,597 and be surrounded by these cool people and all this cool music. 443 00:20:30,896 --> 00:20:32,636 i just imagined that everybody that worked 444 00:20:32,940 --> 00:20:34,430 at tower was like an aficionado. 445 00:20:34,734 --> 00:20:36,941 they didn't necessarily have any other kind of skills, 446 00:20:37,236 --> 00:20:41,730 sometimes even people skills, but they had musical knowledge. 447 00:20:42,032 --> 00:20:44,569 every music store, whether it was a place to go buy drumsticks, 448 00:20:44,869 --> 00:20:46,279 or a place to go buy records, 449 00:20:46,579 --> 00:20:49,286 were total snobs, total snobs. 450 00:20:49,582 --> 00:20:50,788 the record store especially was, 451 00:20:51,083 --> 00:20:53,244 had a reputation of being incredibly rude. 452 00:20:53,544 --> 00:20:55,080 and fuck you if you can't take a joke. 453 00:20:55,379 --> 00:20:58,621 so, heh, it was more of a battlefield to get music, 454 00:20:58,924 --> 00:21:01,631 to get records out of the store in the earlier days. 455 00:21:01,927 --> 00:21:03,713 [stan] when we opened up at sunset, 456 00:21:04,013 --> 00:21:07,050 that, i feel, really put us on the mar 457 00:21:09,935 --> 00:21:13,678 larry carp called russ, "you gotta see this location. the best thing in the world." 458 00:21:13,981 --> 00:21:15,642 and he goes down there, 459 00:21:15,941 --> 00:21:17,932 and it was a mad man muntz location, 460 00:21:18,235 --> 00:21:21,693 where you could get a four track player installed in your car 461 00:21:21,989 --> 00:21:23,729 right at the corner of sunset and horn. 462 00:21:24,033 --> 00:21:26,240 [russ]it was 4,000 bucks a month for a land lease. 463 00:21:26,535 --> 00:21:28,150 that meant i had to build a building. 464 00:21:28,454 --> 00:21:31,161 so my cousin ross comes to the rescue again, 465 00:21:31,457 --> 00:21:34,415 and he says, "all right, we'll just build a building on there." 466 00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:36,041 i said, "okay, do it." 467 00:21:36,337 --> 00:21:38,703 [stan]it was the first building we built. 468 00:21:39,006 --> 00:21:41,292 [russ]it was a pre-fab building that's still standing 469 00:21:41,592 --> 00:21:42,923 forty years later, fifty years later, 470 00:21:43,219 --> 00:21:44,299 whatever it is. 471 00:21:44,595 --> 00:21:46,176 [stan]it was a concrete slab, 472 00:21:46,472 --> 00:21:49,555 and then these metal girders that went up and over 473 00:21:49,850 --> 00:21:53,058 filled in with concrete block and glass, 474 00:21:53,354 --> 00:21:55,936 and an orange tile floor. 475 00:21:56,232 --> 00:21:58,314 and some counters, that was it. i laid the floor 476 00:21:58,609 --> 00:22:00,691 at tower sunset, with these two hands. 477 00:22:00,986 --> 00:22:05,650 ross built that building, the entire project for $75,000. 478 00:22:05,950 --> 00:22:07,440 nobody else would do that. 479 00:22:07,743 --> 00:22:09,324 you know, they have the whole process 480 00:22:09,620 --> 00:22:10,735 of getting the store ready, 481 00:22:11,038 --> 00:22:12,494 then getting the racks put together, 482 00:22:12,790 --> 00:22:15,372 and getting the merchandise put in and so on. 483 00:22:15,668 --> 00:22:17,454 stan was there from the beginning. 484 00:22:17,753 --> 00:22:20,369 i would come home from working all day, 485 00:22:20,673 --> 00:22:22,664 which really was digging ditches 486 00:22:22,967 --> 00:22:25,549 and laying floors, and getting all sweaty, 487 00:22:25,845 --> 00:22:27,506 but the nice thing was, record companies would come by 488 00:22:27,805 --> 00:22:29,511 and drop off promos every once in a while, 489 00:22:29,807 --> 00:22:31,718 and when i'd get home, i'd have some new records. 490 00:22:32,017 --> 00:22:35,680 well, i just saw this guy schlepping albums up, 491 00:22:35,980 --> 00:22:37,470 a good twelve steps to his level, 492 00:22:37,773 --> 00:22:40,014 and then it was even farther to mine, 493 00:22:40,317 --> 00:22:43,275 but i just saw him, and i'm a very friendly guy, 494 00:22:43,571 --> 00:22:45,732 and just went down and said, "hi, i'm your neighbor." 495 00:22:46,031 --> 00:22:49,649 and bob would come down from his apartment 496 00:22:49,952 --> 00:22:52,068 to check out, see if i had any new promos. 497 00:22:52,371 --> 00:22:54,737 he was really nice, he was very open to me, 498 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:59,283 i didn't know him, but we became very good friends. 499 00:22:59,587 --> 00:23:01,669 [stan]i'll never forget, one day i came home 500 00:23:01,964 --> 00:23:03,750 and my front door was open, 501 00:23:04,049 --> 00:23:05,505 and i thought, "well, that's odd." 502 00:23:05,801 --> 00:23:07,337 i walk in, and i hear splashing. 503 00:23:07,636 --> 00:23:09,501 well yeah, i mean it got hot in la. 504 00:23:09,805 --> 00:23:11,420 when stan went to work, 505 00:23:11,724 --> 00:23:13,339 bob'd go in to his apartment and smoke dope 506 00:23:13,642 --> 00:23:15,428 and listen to stan's records. 507 00:23:15,728 --> 00:23:17,468 but yeah, he came home and i was soaking 508 00:23:17,771 --> 00:23:20,353 in his tub, listening to records. 509 00:23:20,649 --> 00:23:22,890 that did it, i was really pissed. 510 00:23:23,193 --> 00:23:27,277 so i said, "well bob, no, but it's time for you to get a job. 511 00:23:27,573 --> 00:23:30,280 "we need a receiving clerk. why don't you be a receiving clerk. " 512 00:23:30,576 --> 00:23:32,612 in november, actually, they opened the store. 513 00:23:32,912 --> 00:23:34,277 so i had hung around for quite a bit, 514 00:23:34,580 --> 00:23:35,990 he said, "come in the store and apply," 515 00:23:36,290 --> 00:23:38,622 and i did, and charlie shaw, the manager at the time, 516 00:23:38,918 --> 00:23:40,829 hired me, immediately. 517 00:23:41,128 --> 00:23:42,584 and then once i got in the door, 518 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,836 i just fell in love with being in the building. 519 00:23:45,132 --> 00:23:47,464 i had no clue about the record industry, 520 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,876 but it was, to me, right up my alley. 521 00:23:50,179 --> 00:23:52,420 this is like being home with a bunch of friends, 522 00:23:52,723 --> 00:23:54,759 and much more fun than i'd ever had 523 00:23:55,059 --> 00:23:56,765 in any of my previous jobs. 524 00:23:57,061 --> 00:23:58,517 [russ]again, now here, 525 00:23:58,812 --> 00:24:00,222 we hadn't opened a store since san francisco, 526 00:24:00,522 --> 00:24:02,638 and the same thing happened in los angeles. 527 00:24:02,942 --> 00:24:06,480 we were in the midst of a marvelous audience, 528 00:24:06,779 --> 00:24:08,735 i mean you had this variety of people 529 00:24:09,031 --> 00:24:12,489 with all kinds of musical tastes and money. [chuckles] 530 00:24:12,785 --> 00:24:15,527 [bob delanoy] i mean, i knew sunset was like the focus 531 00:24:15,829 --> 00:24:17,535 of the whole record industry, there. 532 00:24:17,831 --> 00:24:19,412 if you didn't get it in that store, 533 00:24:19,708 --> 00:24:21,573 their whole rest of their marketing crew 534 00:24:21,877 --> 00:24:23,833 thought you were doing a shit job. 535 00:24:24,129 --> 00:24:25,494 [russ] but imagine where we were. 536 00:24:25,798 --> 00:24:27,834 we were within walking distance, virtually, 537 00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:31,091 of the entire record industry, in the l.a. area. 538 00:24:31,387 --> 00:24:33,218 [steve nikkel]i think that was a good strategy, i mean, 539 00:24:33,514 --> 00:24:35,926 if you're about music, you go to where the music's being made. 540 00:24:36,225 --> 00:24:38,386 in los angeles, especially in san francisco, 541 00:24:38,686 --> 00:24:41,644 so many of the artists lived in our neighborhood. 542 00:24:41,939 --> 00:24:45,056 i mean, we were the local record store for them, so it was great. 543 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,066 [stan]i remember david geffen coming in to the store one saturday, 544 00:24:48,362 --> 00:24:50,398 and i was chatting with him, and he says, 545 00:24:50,698 --> 00:24:52,529 "hey, you gotta come listen to this record.ii 546 00:24:52,825 --> 00:24:54,941 i go, "okay." so i hop into his car 547 00:24:55,244 --> 00:24:57,155 and we drive up into the hollywood hills somewhere 548 00:24:57,454 --> 00:24:58,534 to where he was living, 549 00:24:58,831 --> 00:25:01,368 and he took out an acetate test pressing, 550 00:25:01,667 --> 00:25:03,157 he put it on, and he played it, 551 00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:04,996 and it was the eagles' first record. 552 00:25:05,295 --> 00:25:06,626 [david]you had the troubadour, and you had the roxy, 553 00:25:06,922 --> 00:25:08,162 and you had the whiskey, 554 00:25:08,465 --> 00:25:10,922 and lots of clubs that they played coming up, 555 00:25:11,218 --> 00:25:12,754 so those artists would look through tower 556 00:25:13,053 --> 00:25:14,589 wonder when their records were going to be there, 557 00:25:14,888 --> 00:25:16,628 and would they have piles, that kind of thing. 558 00:25:16,932 --> 00:25:19,298 if you loved music, and having a record collection, 559 00:25:19,601 --> 00:25:22,092 which, i did, it was exciting to walk through the store. 560 00:25:22,396 --> 00:25:24,853 i went there three or four times a week. 561 00:25:25,149 --> 00:25:27,515 we just drove down sunset boulevard... 562 00:25:27,818 --> 00:25:31,561 [chuckles] and we were just eyeballing everything we could see, 563 00:25:31,864 --> 00:25:34,606 and there was a huge record store. 564 00:25:34,908 --> 00:25:38,446 it was that place where your dreams 565 00:25:38,746 --> 00:25:40,737 meet the listener. 566 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,328 that's where the final connection was made. 567 00:25:44,626 --> 00:25:46,082 that audience you dreamt of 568 00:25:46,378 --> 00:25:49,336 is walking through the door right now. 569 00:25:49,631 --> 00:25:52,623 and you can stand there and watch that happen. 570 00:25:52,926 --> 00:25:54,541 they are your listeners. 571 00:25:54,845 --> 00:25:56,631 and the place also served 572 00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:59,046 as kind of a lost boys club, 573 00:25:59,349 --> 00:26:02,056 so if you were a young musician, 574 00:26:02,352 --> 00:26:05,640 you came into town and you didn't know what to do, 575 00:26:05,939 --> 00:26:08,601 the first thing you did is you went to tower records. 576 00:26:08,901 --> 00:26:11,017 artists who were in california and in los angeles 577 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,857 would go into tower records to find out where their records were. 578 00:26:14,156 --> 00:26:15,441 and if there was a pile of elton john 579 00:26:15,741 --> 00:26:17,572 and there wasn't a pile of the eagles, 580 00:26:17,868 --> 00:26:19,574 the eagles weren't happy, or vice versa. 581 00:26:19,870 --> 00:26:21,826 i mean there were a couple people that came in 582 00:26:22,122 --> 00:26:23,828 to the store that i was so in awe of, 583 00:26:24,124 --> 00:26:27,082 i couldn't even, you know, i couldn't even approach them. 584 00:26:27,377 --> 00:26:29,208 eric clapton, when he came in, 585 00:26:29,505 --> 00:26:32,872 jimmy page, pete townshend, it was a constant flow. 586 00:26:33,175 --> 00:26:34,756 and nobody ever bothered them. 587 00:26:35,052 --> 00:26:37,509 i mean, they had a place there where they could go 588 00:26:37,805 --> 00:26:39,545 and maybe a few people, "oh, look over there. 589 00:26:39,848 --> 00:26:41,384 there's elton john," or whatever, 590 00:26:41,683 --> 00:26:42,889 but they kind of knew, 591 00:26:43,185 --> 00:26:44,675 that was a place where you could hang 592 00:26:44,978 --> 00:26:46,809 and not really worry about anybody hassling you. 593 00:26:47,106 --> 00:26:48,971 tuesday mornings i would be at tower records 594 00:26:49,274 --> 00:26:52,016 at 10:00, 9:00 in la. 595 00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:53,934 the store'd open at nine and they'd let me in. 596 00:26:54,238 --> 00:26:56,604 and it was a ritual, and it was a ritual i loved. 597 00:26:56,907 --> 00:26:58,192 it was, you know, my music center. 598 00:26:58,492 --> 00:27:00,733 yeah, i knew where everything was. 599 00:27:01,036 --> 00:27:02,867 and if they didn't have something in one week, 600 00:27:03,163 --> 00:27:04,403 or the next week, 601 00:27:04,706 --> 00:27:07,038 i told them, i said, "you need to get this in." 602 00:27:07,334 --> 00:27:10,076 well elton was one that used to come even during business hours. 603 00:27:10,379 --> 00:27:11,869 he'd come in with his limo driver. 604 00:27:12,172 --> 00:27:13,708 his limo driver would just stand there with bags 605 00:27:14,007 --> 00:27:16,043 and he would come through with a long, long list, 606 00:27:16,343 --> 00:27:18,254 and go through the record bins, picking out 607 00:27:18,554 --> 00:27:20,260 all the new releases that he had seen. 608 00:27:20,556 --> 00:27:22,171 [elton john]i mean, tower just had everything. 609 00:27:22,474 --> 00:27:25,181 those people knew their stuff. they were really on the ball. 610 00:27:25,477 --> 00:27:27,968 they weren't just employees that happened to work in a music store, 611 00:27:28,272 --> 00:27:29,478 they were devotees of music. 612 00:27:29,773 --> 00:27:31,388 that's what i loved about the tower. 613 00:27:31,692 --> 00:27:32,807 i could talk about music to them, and they'd say, 614 00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:34,600 " have you heard this?" 615 00:27:34,903 --> 00:27:37,360 it was just... they were like friends. 616 00:27:37,656 --> 00:27:39,442 i knew the guys in the store pretty well 617 00:27:39,741 --> 00:27:41,356 because i was so, you know, regular. 618 00:27:44,163 --> 00:27:45,949 - [interviewer] no, that's stan. - that's stan. 619 00:27:46,248 --> 00:27:49,365 he was my main man. yeah, he was great. 620 00:27:49,668 --> 00:27:52,580 and he would go through every single aisle, 621 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,464 every single bin, and he had an incredible memory 622 00:27:56,758 --> 00:27:58,168 from what records he had, 623 00:27:58,468 --> 00:28:00,424 and he'd get like two to three each. 624 00:28:00,721 --> 00:28:02,552 one for each one of his houses. 625 00:28:02,848 --> 00:28:05,009 [elton john] it was comfortable and not intimidating at all. 626 00:28:05,309 --> 00:28:08,722 it was inviting, it was like going to your favorite cafe. 627 00:28:09,021 --> 00:28:11,433 [stan] and eventually we said, "elton, we'll open early 628 00:28:11,732 --> 00:28:13,063 for you if you want to come in." 629 00:28:13,358 --> 00:28:15,644 so, we started opening like at 8:00 am. 630 00:28:15,944 --> 00:28:18,060 i can honestly say this without any exaggeration, 631 00:28:18,363 --> 00:28:19,694 i spent more money in tower records 632 00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:21,400 than any other human being. 633 00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:25,739 [upbeat '603 music playing] 634 00:28:26,038 --> 00:28:27,653 [stan] once the word's out 635 00:28:27,956 --> 00:28:30,197 that's where the stars are, it really clicked. 636 00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:33,663 and then it became the place to go in la. 637 00:28:33,962 --> 00:28:38,422 [engine roaring] 638 00:28:38,717 --> 00:28:39,957 [recording of john lennon] did you know 639 00:28:40,260 --> 00:28:41,625 the world's largest record store 640 00:28:41,929 --> 00:28:44,011 in the known world, and universe, et cetera, 641 00:28:44,306 --> 00:28:45,512 is here in los angeles? 642 00:28:45,807 --> 00:28:47,638 it is and it's called tower records. 643 00:28:47,935 --> 00:28:50,768 and tower records is located in the heart of sunset strip. 644 00:28:51,063 --> 00:28:52,428 at tower you'll find tens of thousands 645 00:28:52,731 --> 00:28:54,471 of your favorite lps and tapes, 646 00:28:54,775 --> 00:28:56,640 and you'll find that they're all super discount priced. 647 00:28:56,944 --> 00:28:59,026 tower'll always save you money on the lps and tapes you buy. 648 00:28:59,321 --> 00:29:01,607 you'll find more rock lps than you ever thought existed 649 00:29:01,907 --> 00:29:04,740 and that includes more imported rock lps if you need that stuff. 650 00:29:05,035 --> 00:29:06,525 you'll find more jazz, more classics, 651 00:29:06,828 --> 00:29:08,739 easy listening, more country, more international, 652 00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:10,449 more spoken words, and more words. 653 00:29:10,749 --> 00:29:11,864 more of everything than you've ever seen 654 00:29:12,167 --> 00:29:13,703 in your whole life in one store, 655 00:29:14,002 --> 00:29:15,458 at one time. 656 00:29:15,754 --> 00:29:17,710 and you'll find thousands of 45 rpm singles. 657 00:29:18,006 --> 00:29:21,169 in short, the largest record store in the known world, hmm, 658 00:29:21,468 --> 00:29:23,004 lives up to its name. 659 00:29:23,303 --> 00:29:24,793 shop tower records in the heart of sunset strip tonight, 660 00:29:25,097 --> 00:29:26,837 and every night of the year, until midnight. 661 00:29:27,140 --> 00:29:28,630 and tower will have my latest album 662 00:29:28,934 --> 00:29:31,516 walls and bridges, this afternoon, so go get it! 663 00:29:31,812 --> 00:29:34,474 [steve miller band's "living in the u.s.a." playing] 664 00:29:34,773 --> 00:29:37,185 i d00, d00, d00, d00, d00, d00 i 665 00:29:37,484 --> 00:29:40,191 i living in the u.s.a. i 666 00:29:40,487 --> 00:29:43,024 i d00, d00, d00 d00, d00, d00 i 667 00:29:43,323 --> 00:29:46,486 i living in the u.s.a. i 668 00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:48,195 [steve nikkel] part of the concept with tower 669 00:29:48,495 --> 00:29:50,736 was as much social as it was retail, 670 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:52,870 you know, before social networking 671 00:29:53,166 --> 00:29:56,408 and social media, people went outside. 672 00:29:56,712 --> 00:29:59,920 people would spend hours together just digging through the bins. 673 00:30:00,215 --> 00:30:02,126 you know, and people would meet at tower records. 674 00:30:02,426 --> 00:30:05,759 i mean, we were a destination. people would hook up at tower. 675 00:30:06,054 --> 00:30:08,090 [bob delanoy] and that kind of oaptured my, 676 00:30:08,390 --> 00:30:10,506 wow, this is a really cool place to work. 677 00:30:10,809 --> 00:30:12,470 and then of course, once i got in the back room, 678 00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:15,351 i really started to see what went on in that store. 679 00:30:15,647 --> 00:30:19,231 [electric guitar riff] 680 00:30:20,819 --> 00:30:22,150 there was drinking going on. 681 00:30:22,446 --> 00:30:25,438 abso�fucking�lutely, just hammered. [chuckles] 682 00:30:25,741 --> 00:30:28,608 there was a culture that you could drink as much as you want, 683 00:30:28,910 --> 00:30:32,152 you can do whatever the hell you wanted, but you know, you had to come to work. 684 00:30:32,456 --> 00:30:33,992 there was a guy who slept in the office 685 00:30:34,291 --> 00:30:37,033 [chuckles] and washed his pits with comet cleanser 686 00:30:37,336 --> 00:30:38,792 he'd slept in the office all night, 687 00:30:39,087 --> 00:30:40,793 and had to get up for work the next day to open ur 688 00:30:41,089 --> 00:30:42,454 sometimes you could even come to work 689 00:30:42,758 --> 00:30:45,795 say for an hour and go home with cocktail flu. 690 00:30:46,094 --> 00:30:47,880 but there was thing about showing up, 691 00:30:48,180 --> 00:30:49,545 manning up, coming to work, 692 00:30:49,848 --> 00:30:52,134 and even if you threw up, you had to show ur 693 00:30:52,434 --> 00:30:55,676 the rules were don't smoke dope on the premises. 694 00:30:55,979 --> 00:30:57,890 and certainly don't drink on the premises. 695 00:30:58,190 --> 00:31:00,476 that didn't mean that once in a while there wasn't a party back there, 696 00:31:00,776 --> 00:31:03,893 but you know, you do your job during the day, 697 00:31:04,196 --> 00:31:05,811 had a good time doing it, 698 00:31:06,114 --> 00:31:09,277 and you'd go out and play the way you wanted to at night. 699 00:31:09,576 --> 00:31:11,191 hell, there were many nights we just came to work 700 00:31:11,495 --> 00:31:14,202 and never went to bed for christ's sakes. [laughs] 701 00:31:14,498 --> 00:31:17,331 that's not cocktail flu, that's a lifestyle. 702 00:31:17,626 --> 00:31:19,617 when you hit the late '6os, early '7os 703 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,502 you start to get to kind of the hookers and blow era 704 00:31:22,798 --> 00:31:24,663 of the record industry and this continued 705 00:31:24,966 --> 00:31:27,002 all the way through the end of the disco era. 706 00:31:27,302 --> 00:31:29,759 yeah, '708 is when we started doing... 707 00:31:30,055 --> 00:31:32,137 hand truck fuel, yes. [chuckles] 708 00:31:32,432 --> 00:31:34,423 [heidi]hand truck fuel is a controlled substance 709 00:31:34,726 --> 00:31:36,808 that you ingest th rough a small straw 710 00:31:37,104 --> 00:31:39,766 in your nose [chuckles]. 711 00:31:40,065 --> 00:31:42,852 seems like tower records people always ended up in a bathroom. 712 00:31:43,151 --> 00:31:46,564 either in a hot tub, you know, probably drinking, 713 00:31:46,863 --> 00:31:48,819 maybe smoking a little pot or whatever. 714 00:31:49,116 --> 00:31:52,859 we used to do inventories overnight or we would work late, 715 00:31:53,161 --> 00:31:55,948 doing whatever project we were doing, and we needed hand truck fuel, 716 00:31:56,248 --> 00:31:57,738 which, by the way, we took paid-outs for. 717 00:31:58,041 --> 00:31:59,247 no one even caught it. [laughs] 718 00:31:59,543 --> 00:32:01,158 there was hand truck fuel, yeah. 719 00:32:01,461 --> 00:32:03,452 [mark]you understood you had a lot of latitude 720 00:32:03,755 --> 00:32:05,996 to do what you wanted, to manage the way you wanted, 721 00:32:06,299 --> 00:32:08,039 and there wasn't going to be any real repercussions 722 00:32:08,343 --> 00:32:09,958 if things went terribly wrong, 723 00:32:10,262 --> 00:32:11,923 because the whole thing was an experiment 724 00:32:12,222 --> 00:32:13,302 from day one until the end. 725 00:32:13,598 --> 00:32:15,930 but... the store always got opened. 726 00:32:16,226 --> 00:32:18,933 we always covered the shifts. no matter what. 727 00:32:19,229 --> 00:32:21,686 [mark[it was always a party atmosphere, it was never work. 728 00:32:25,402 --> 00:32:29,941 [rudy danzinger] russ was the free-swinging guy, man. he enjoyed life. 729 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,858 [man]he liked to buy drinks for people after work, especially the girls. 730 00:32:34,161 --> 00:32:37,949 there was nothing more common than russ rounding up all the babes 731 00:32:38,248 --> 00:32:40,455 and taking them to the bar, and you're stuck behind the counter, 732 00:32:40,750 --> 00:32:42,456 the only guy in the store, you know. 733 00:32:42,752 --> 00:32:45,243 [mike]my father was always a ladies' man. 734 00:32:45,547 --> 00:32:49,039 he was attracted to many a beautiful woman, 735 00:32:49,342 --> 00:32:50,957 and they were to him. 736 00:32:51,261 --> 00:32:52,592 but he always respected the women, 737 00:32:52,888 --> 00:32:55,049 i mean, when they were working, it was one thing, 738 00:32:55,348 --> 00:32:57,760 when it was partying, it was altogether different. 739 00:32:58,059 --> 00:32:59,469 i can remember one night, 740 00:32:59,769 --> 00:33:01,885 it was about five in the morning and we had been partying, 741 00:33:02,189 --> 00:33:05,556 and for some reason the alarm went off at tower broadway, 742 00:33:05,859 --> 00:33:09,192 and bud martin at the time, he was the vice president of the company. 743 00:33:09,488 --> 00:33:10,944 he shows up, and we were actually 744 00:33:11,239 --> 00:33:12,729 in the back room still drinking. 745 00:33:13,033 --> 00:33:14,739 well, he got a little pissed off that night. 746 00:33:15,035 --> 00:33:17,902 bud martin didn't have the same loose feel 747 00:33:18,205 --> 00:33:19,536 for management that russ did. 748 00:33:19,831 --> 00:33:21,947 bud was the one that was that glue, so to speak, 749 00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:25,242 that was able to hold this thing called tower, 750 00:33:25,545 --> 00:33:27,251 and this culture that started rolling, 751 00:33:27,547 --> 00:33:29,663 and russ would have never ever been able 752 00:33:29,966 --> 00:33:33,129 to keep it together without bud, no question. 753 00:33:33,428 --> 00:33:35,885 [russ]bud martin, he was my dad's accountant, 754 00:33:36,181 --> 00:33:39,765 and when tower opened, he had a little private office, 755 00:33:40,060 --> 00:33:41,391 so that became our office. 756 00:33:41,686 --> 00:33:43,927 bud controlled most of all the divisions-- 757 00:33:44,231 --> 00:33:45,937 the accounts payable, sales audit, 758 00:33:46,233 --> 00:33:48,019 all those areas. i mean, he was-- 759 00:33:48,318 --> 00:33:49,728 when they had a problem, they'd go to bud. 760 00:33:50,028 --> 00:33:51,313 i was not a financial manager, 761 00:33:51,613 --> 00:33:53,353 i certainly wasn't a cpa. 762 00:33:53,657 --> 00:33:56,023 i had no business school training, 763 00:33:56,326 --> 00:33:58,191 so i had to trust him, and i did. 764 00:33:58,495 --> 00:34:00,110 bud was at one end of the hall, mr. no, 765 00:34:00,413 --> 00:34:02,404 and russ was at the other end of the hall, mr. yes, 766 00:34:02,707 --> 00:34:03,992 and so you could go to russ and get a yes, 767 00:34:04,292 --> 00:34:06,578 then you had to go down the hall to mr. no, 768 00:34:06,878 --> 00:34:08,118 and tell him, mr. yes had said yes, 769 00:34:08,421 --> 00:34:09,911 and then you had to justify to bud 770 00:34:10,215 --> 00:34:12,331 why russ had said yes. [laughs] 771 00:34:12,634 --> 00:34:13,999 yeah, it was a constant battle. 772 00:34:14,302 --> 00:34:16,964 [mike]bud became almost like partner with russ. 773 00:34:17,264 --> 00:34:18,344 they were yin and yang. 774 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,301 he was the antith esis of russ solomon. 775 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,433 russ was like a very carefree, if you will, 776 00:34:23,728 --> 00:34:26,060 entrepreneur who loved music 777 00:34:26,356 --> 00:34:28,221 and bud was actually a businessman. 778 00:34:28,525 --> 00:34:30,106 i would make it work 779 00:34:30,402 --> 00:34:32,063 by hiring my people to go out and do it. 780 00:34:32,362 --> 00:34:34,523 he would make it work because he had to pay for it. 781 00:34:34,823 --> 00:34:37,360 i suppose there was a rather serious 782 00:34:37,659 --> 00:34:40,901 love�hate relationship going on between russ and bud, 783 00:34:41,204 --> 00:34:43,911 because again, russ would say, "spend the money, get it done," 784 00:34:44,207 --> 00:34:46,072 and then bud would say, "no, you can't spend the money." 785 00:34:46,376 --> 00:34:49,038 we would go to lunch every day 786 00:34:49,337 --> 00:34:52,124 and i would get... at lunch, we would argue. 787 00:34:52,424 --> 00:34:53,254 he was the keeper of the money, 788 00:34:53,550 --> 00:34:54,790 and he didn't let anything go. 789 00:34:55,093 --> 00:34:56,128 and he and russ would have battles 790 00:34:56,428 --> 00:34:58,009 about russ wanting to open up a store 791 00:34:58,305 --> 00:34:59,545 and bud said, "i don't have any money, 792 00:34:59,848 --> 00:35:01,384 and we're going to go to the poor house." 793 00:35:01,683 --> 00:35:02,968 russ'd say, "bud, i'm doing it. 794 00:35:03,268 --> 00:35:04,303 figure out how to get it done." 795 00:35:04,603 --> 00:35:06,059 but if you get two drinks in him, 796 00:35:06,354 --> 00:35:08,595 he would be literally hanging from the lampshades. 797 00:35:08,898 --> 00:35:11,480 you know whati mean? or swinging on the chandelier. 798 00:35:11,776 --> 00:35:16,065 he had a conservative monetary policy 799 00:35:16,364 --> 00:35:18,650 but a liberal social policy. 800 00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:21,657 [upbeat trumpet music playing] 801 00:35:24,205 --> 00:35:27,163 [russ]it was dangerous to go out with him and get him drunk. 802 00:35:27,459 --> 00:35:30,121 we've been thrown out of a few restaurants, you know. 803 00:35:30,420 --> 00:35:33,457 it was just that he was living another life, 804 00:35:33,757 --> 00:35:36,214 dating and things like that, buying splurges. 805 00:35:36,509 --> 00:35:39,672 just do, probably just do normal things you do with money. 806 00:35:39,971 --> 00:35:41,086 you spend it. 807 00:35:41,389 --> 00:35:43,721 bud loved cars. 808 00:35:44,017 --> 00:35:47,009 he would buy at least one new car every year. 809 00:35:47,312 --> 00:35:49,018 sometimes more than one car, 810 00:35:49,314 --> 00:35:50,770 continuously trading them in. 811 00:35:51,066 --> 00:35:53,899 he was also the most random woman chaser on the planet. 812 00:35:54,194 --> 00:35:56,059 he literally had an extra office out of his office 813 00:35:56,363 --> 00:35:58,228 where he took women to wink them. 814 00:35:58,531 --> 00:36:00,146 he'd hire them as secretaries. 815 00:36:00,450 --> 00:36:03,192 and i mean, it was so flamboyantly bad 816 00:36:03,495 --> 00:36:05,031 that it had to be a joke. 817 00:36:05,330 --> 00:36:06,490 i having a fling again i 818 00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:08,155 i younger than spring again i 819 00:36:08,458 --> 00:36:10,790 i feeling that zing again wow i 820 00:36:11,086 --> 00:36:14,920 he was straight laced with a secret life. 821 00:36:15,215 --> 00:36:16,295 i think he was intrigued by the idea 822 00:36:16,591 --> 00:36:17,876 that we could race along too, 823 00:36:18,176 --> 00:36:20,292 because he'd never have done it himself. 824 00:36:20,595 --> 00:36:22,301 so i had to kind of lead the charge. 825 00:36:22,597 --> 00:36:24,007 we use to call it the russ bus, yeah. 826 00:36:24,307 --> 00:36:25,217 you know he was so fearless 827 00:36:25,517 --> 00:36:27,257 and he was so enthusiastic 828 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,016 about what he-- i don't think he had a clue 829 00:36:29,312 --> 00:36:30,893 what he was doing, seriously. 830 00:36:31,189 --> 00:36:33,020 [rudy danzinger]russ just had a special way of living. 831 00:36:33,316 --> 00:36:35,477 [mark]he didn't play golf, he didn't go hunting, 832 00:36:35,777 --> 00:36:37,984 tower records was what he did. that's what he... 833 00:36:38,279 --> 00:36:39,439 he breathed that. 834 00:36:39,739 --> 00:36:41,400 you were part of his family. you were part of 835 00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:44,191 the tower experience, as it were. 836 00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:47,410 [russ] the record companies and narm 837 00:36:47,706 --> 00:36:50,322 would have conventions in los angeles, mainly. 838 00:36:50,625 --> 00:36:53,708 so, for fun, i would start stealing ties. 839 00:36:54,003 --> 00:36:56,289 i said you're going to feel much better without this. 840 00:36:56,589 --> 00:36:58,830 you'll be much more comfortable. what are you doing? 841 00:36:59,134 --> 00:37:01,716 coming to california, big shots from new york 842 00:37:02,011 --> 00:37:03,126 for crying out loud. 843 00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:04,886 you come out here, you put on your suit, 844 00:37:05,181 --> 00:37:06,261 you put on your tie, 845 00:37:06,558 --> 00:37:07,764 you know, and you act like big shots. 846 00:37:08,059 --> 00:37:09,299 i said, "we're here in california. 847 00:37:09,602 --> 00:37:10,808 "we have a lot-- everything's loose. 848 00:37:11,104 --> 00:37:12,844 take your tie off." 849 00:37:13,148 --> 00:37:15,013 [steve] so they walk in and frannie, who was his secretary, 850 00:37:15,316 --> 00:37:17,648 would grab the scissors and chop a tie. 851 00:37:17,944 --> 00:37:20,230 and after a while, it became the stuff of legends. 852 00:37:20,530 --> 00:37:21,895 so it was like, people would walk in 853 00:37:22,198 --> 00:37:23,654 and just give him the tie. 854 00:37:23,950 --> 00:37:27,738 the tie thing just got part of his reputation, you know. 855 00:37:28,037 --> 00:37:31,746 don't wear a good tie in there, or leave it in the car. 856 00:37:32,041 --> 00:37:33,406 [jim urie]he never collected any of my ties, 857 00:37:33,710 --> 00:37:35,416 because i had heard those stories 858 00:37:35,712 --> 00:37:37,248 and of course, when i became a national guy, 859 00:37:37,547 --> 00:37:39,162 i was going out there. 860 00:37:39,466 --> 00:37:40,376 they had a big plaque on the wall, 861 00:37:40,675 --> 00:37:42,165 must have been this big, 862 00:37:42,469 --> 00:37:44,926 and it was an array of neckties 863 00:37:45,221 --> 00:37:47,257 that had been cut off, right about here. 864 00:37:47,557 --> 00:37:50,299 i would steal the whole tie. i got a bad rap, you know, 865 00:37:50,602 --> 00:37:52,593 for cutting the ties off. never cut a tie. 866 00:37:52,896 --> 00:37:54,978 always stole the whole tie. 867 00:37:55,273 --> 00:37:57,229 made the guy give me a card, usually, 868 00:37:57,525 --> 00:37:58,731 if they were friendly. 869 00:37:59,027 --> 00:38:00,142 sometimes they weren't very friendly 870 00:38:00,445 --> 00:38:01,605 when you steal their tie, really. 871 00:38:01,905 --> 00:38:03,315 but they all felt 872 00:38:03,615 --> 00:38:05,355 a lot more comfortable not wearing 'em. 873 00:38:07,202 --> 00:38:09,409 [man]i think his leadership and his vision 874 00:38:09,704 --> 00:38:11,114 and the way he dealt with his people 875 00:38:11,414 --> 00:38:12,950 really was significant. 876 00:38:13,249 --> 00:38:14,489 [russ]if it hadn't been for these people 877 00:38:14,793 --> 00:38:15,953 being able to do these things for me, 878 00:38:16,252 --> 00:38:17,833 we could never have done anything. 879 00:38:18,129 --> 00:38:20,211 we didn't do anything in a formal way. 880 00:38:20,507 --> 00:38:22,168 we did it on the fly. 881 00:38:22,467 --> 00:38:23,377 it was the russ bus. 882 00:38:23,676 --> 00:38:24,540 with tower records, 883 00:38:24,844 --> 00:38:26,380 you had an idea, a thought, 884 00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:28,260 you either went to russ or bud with it, 885 00:38:28,556 --> 00:38:30,171 and flew with it, it was that simple. 886 00:38:30,475 --> 00:38:31,715 that was the fun part. 887 00:38:32,018 --> 00:38:33,178 you never fucking knew 888 00:38:33,478 --> 00:38:34,718 where it was going to take you. 889 00:38:36,523 --> 00:38:39,265 russ solomon, because he was tower records, 890 00:38:39,567 --> 00:38:42,024 there wasn't all these layers of management. 891 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,312 you sat down with russ and that's how the company ran. 892 00:38:45,615 --> 00:38:46,946 it ran that way for a long time. 893 00:38:47,242 --> 00:38:49,608 you'd grow your people out of the stores, 894 00:38:49,911 --> 00:38:51,367 send them to a new store, 895 00:38:51,663 --> 00:38:53,745 they'd grow a whole crop of new people 896 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,373 that would go to the next store, and so on. 897 00:38:57,669 --> 00:38:59,330 [ken] back then there were few enough people 898 00:38:59,629 --> 00:39:02,086 that we all even went to all the store openings. 899 00:39:02,382 --> 00:39:04,839 so we'd go to a town for two or three weeks 900 00:39:05,134 --> 00:39:08,046 and literally a team of us put the stores together. 901 00:39:08,346 --> 00:39:10,428 obviously, as tower got very big, we had a team 902 00:39:10,723 --> 00:39:13,214 whose job that was to do it separate from the retail, 903 00:39:13,518 --> 00:39:15,179 but this was the retail team, you know, 904 00:39:15,478 --> 00:39:17,844 we'd take our classical buyer, and our assistant manager, 905 00:39:18,147 --> 00:39:20,763 and our favorite rock buyer, and a couple managers, 906 00:39:21,067 --> 00:39:23,809 and go camp out for a couple of weeks in a store. 907 00:39:24,112 --> 00:39:25,648 bringing the racks in, marking the records, 908 00:39:25,947 --> 00:39:27,278 putting the records in the shelves, 909 00:39:27,574 --> 00:39:29,235 setting everything up so it really helped 910 00:39:29,534 --> 00:39:31,240 make you feel like you were part of a team, 911 00:39:31,536 --> 00:39:34,027 but it also made you feel like you were personally successful 912 00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:36,992 because you were able to be part of this. 913 00:39:37,292 --> 00:39:38,372 [russ]so by 1979, 914 00:39:38,668 --> 00:39:41,159 we were really a west coast operation. 915 00:39:41,462 --> 00:39:43,373 we'd opened stores all the way from seattle 916 00:39:43,673 --> 00:39:45,038 to san diego, 917 00:39:45,341 --> 00:39:47,457 and then we went over to phoenix and tempe. 918 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,342 so a couple of guys came over and visited me, 919 00:39:50,638 --> 00:39:52,970 hugh sazaki and akehana zowa. 920 00:39:53,266 --> 00:39:56,758 they said they wanted to start up tower records in japan. 921 00:39:57,061 --> 00:39:58,847 these two gentlemen, aki and hugh, 922 00:39:59,147 --> 00:40:00,762 had come to sacramento, met with russ, 923 00:40:01,065 --> 00:40:02,771 and russ would fall for any idea, 924 00:40:03,067 --> 00:40:04,648 and then they went back to japan, 925 00:40:04,944 --> 00:40:07,651 and then a few weeks later called up and said, 926 00:40:07,947 --> 00:40:09,483 "come on over. we want to show you around." 927 00:40:09,782 --> 00:40:11,272 so they sent us a couple of tickets. 928 00:40:11,576 --> 00:40:14,409 we traveled all over japan, saw the sights, 929 00:40:14,704 --> 00:40:17,161 saw the existing record retailers over there. 930 00:40:17,457 --> 00:40:19,118 [mark] but one guy up in sapporo, 931 00:40:19,417 --> 00:40:21,874 which was a little island on the northern border of japan, 932 00:40:22,170 --> 00:40:24,035 i think had stolen the name tower records, 933 00:40:24,339 --> 00:40:26,330 and literally had a tower record store. 934 00:40:26,633 --> 00:40:28,123 we said, "oh, no." 935 00:40:28,426 --> 00:40:30,417 so we went up and we saw this, and said, 936 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:32,085 "that's not very nice, you've stolen our name. 937 00:40:32,388 --> 00:40:33,969 you shouldn't have done that. " 938 00:40:34,265 --> 00:40:36,597 but at least, if we open our wholesale operation here, 939 00:40:36,893 --> 00:40:39,680 will you let us sell you the imported records, 940 00:40:39,979 --> 00:40:41,435 and you guys run it? 941 00:40:41,731 --> 00:40:43,016 so that's how it started. 942 00:40:45,318 --> 00:40:48,401 russ was always enthusiastic about something new. 943 00:40:48,696 --> 00:40:50,732 everybody else on the record side hated it. 944 00:40:51,032 --> 00:40:52,613 they said, "we're an american record company, 945 00:40:52,909 --> 00:40:54,399 we sell retail in america." 946 00:40:54,702 --> 00:40:56,192 they didn't know anything about japan. 947 00:40:56,496 --> 00:40:58,578 russ didn't have any kind of attitude like that. 948 00:40:58,873 --> 00:41:00,989 and they had no desire to do it. 949 00:41:01,292 --> 00:41:03,374 they didn't care, it was just one of russ' little projects. 950 00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:05,410 i was just a nobody receiving clerk, and i said, 951 00:41:05,713 --> 00:41:07,544 "hell, i'll help you out. whatever you want to do." 952 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,580 our job at tower broadway 953 00:41:09,884 --> 00:41:12,170 was we would pull the records out of stock from broadway, 954 00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:14,210 and ship them to japan, 955 00:41:14,514 --> 00:41:15,924 and that's when i first got involved with russ, 956 00:41:16,224 --> 00:41:17,509 as i was the shipping and receiving clerk 957 00:41:17,809 --> 00:41:19,925 making probably five bucks an hour. 958 00:41:20,228 --> 00:41:21,843 that's how russ and i became friends. 959 00:41:22,146 --> 00:41:24,603 nobody else would help him. 960 00:41:24,899 --> 00:41:26,480 [russ] this goes on for a few months, 961 00:41:26,776 --> 00:41:29,358 and things are not really looking all that good. 962 00:41:29,654 --> 00:41:31,269 we don't know what is going wrong, 963 00:41:31,572 --> 00:41:34,279 but sad but true, they didn't know what they were doing, 964 00:41:34,575 --> 00:41:35,860 and they weren't very good at it. 965 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:37,821 [mark]i think it was a friday evening, 966 00:41:38,121 --> 00:41:39,736 and probably russ and i, i know i was in russ' office, 967 00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:41,324 and we had been drinking, 968 00:41:41,624 --> 00:41:42,830 had a few cocktails, you know, as you would 969 00:41:43,126 --> 00:41:44,582 wind down after a tough day. 970 00:41:44,877 --> 00:41:46,367 somehow the subject came up, 971 00:41:46,671 --> 00:41:48,536 "who am i going to send to japan?" 972 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,047 and he asked me that question, "who am i going to send to japan?" 973 00:41:51,342 --> 00:41:53,128 and i said, "the only guy to send is me." 974 00:41:53,428 --> 00:41:55,669 and he goes, "what do you mean, you? you're not a store manager, 975 00:41:55,972 --> 00:41:57,303 you don't know anything about it. " 976 00:41:57,598 --> 00:41:59,008 and i said, "well, i'm the one 977 00:41:59,308 --> 00:42:00,468 who's been doing all this work for japan." 978 00:42:00,768 --> 00:42:02,099 he goes, "do you think you can do it?" 979 00:42:02,395 --> 00:42:04,511 i said, "sure." he goes, "then go." 980 00:42:04,814 --> 00:42:05,929 you didn't have to go through a bunch of people 981 00:42:06,232 --> 00:42:07,517 to make a decision at tower records. 982 00:42:07,817 --> 00:42:08,772 he was the worst person to send 983 00:42:09,068 --> 00:42:10,228 i would ever think in my life. 984 00:42:10,528 --> 00:42:11,608 i mean he had the social skills 985 00:42:11,904 --> 00:42:12,939 of a warthog in heat, you kidding me? 986 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,854 but i think the reason that they did, 987 00:42:15,158 --> 00:42:16,944 is he knew a lot about shipping and receiving, 988 00:42:17,243 --> 00:42:19,529 he'd learned about international shipping. 989 00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:21,740 they needed somebody to know about how to get the product in and out of there. 990 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,780 i'd only been there two and a half years. 991 00:42:24,083 --> 00:42:26,449 i saw it as an opportunity to do something. 992 00:42:28,296 --> 00:42:30,082 [russ]we had no idea what we're doing. 993 00:42:30,381 --> 00:42:33,373 i'll be honest with you, we had not a clue. 994 00:42:33,676 --> 00:42:34,882 but we did it anyhow. 995 00:42:35,178 --> 00:42:36,668 i had literally no idea what to expect. 996 00:42:36,971 --> 00:42:38,962 i'd never been to japan, i had to go get a passport. 997 00:42:39,265 --> 00:42:41,472 we had a warehouse in akasaka, 998 00:42:41,768 --> 00:42:44,350 which is like the beverly hills of tokyo, for god's sakes. 999 00:42:44,645 --> 00:42:45,976 we had this little warehouse, 1000 00:42:46,272 --> 00:42:47,557 and i was supposed to be there for six months. 1001 00:42:47,857 --> 00:42:48,972 that was my deal, you got six months 1002 00:42:49,275 --> 00:42:51,482 to go either fix it or close it. 1003 00:42:53,738 --> 00:42:55,478 [mark]shibuya was a little like times square, 1004 00:42:55,782 --> 00:42:57,522 laginsu was a little like times square. 1005 00:42:57,825 --> 00:42:59,565 tokyo was like times square. 1006 00:42:59,869 --> 00:43:00,984 i mean the place was always lit ur 1007 00:43:01,287 --> 00:43:03,619 at nighttime, tokyo came alive. 1008 00:43:05,708 --> 00:43:08,916 shibuya was a very hip, more of a younger area 1009 00:43:09,212 --> 00:43:11,294 for stores and kids and people to hang out. 1010 00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:13,671 the japan ese at that time were very much 1011 00:43:13,966 --> 00:43:15,752 into the culture of american music. 1012 00:43:16,052 --> 00:43:17,838 so i called russ, and said, "russ, we're not closing 1013 00:43:18,137 --> 00:43:19,673 the wholesale operation, 1014 00:43:19,972 --> 00:43:21,087 we're going to open up a retail store." 1015 00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:23,381 and that set off quite a firestorm 1016 00:43:23,684 --> 00:43:26,141 of controversy to say the least. 1017 00:43:26,437 --> 00:43:28,894 [mark]the push back from stateside was, 1018 00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:30,646 "you guys are crazy, you're not going to do it." 1019 00:43:30,942 --> 00:43:32,807 that was probably bud's first impression. 1020 00:43:33,111 --> 00:43:34,476 [mike] bud wanted to be profitable. 1021 00:43:34,779 --> 00:43:37,361 he didn't care so much about being big. 1022 00:43:37,657 --> 00:43:41,866 if you don't take advantage of a new idea, 1023 00:43:42,161 --> 00:43:44,994 if it makes any sense at all, 1024 00:43:45,289 --> 00:43:46,699 then you've lost something. 1025 00:43:48,626 --> 00:43:50,412 [mark] russ wasn't omnipotent 1026 00:43:50,711 --> 00:43:52,576 and he couldn't tell you, "here, you go play with this, 1027 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,292 it's going to work, go play with this, it isn't." 1028 00:43:55,591 --> 00:43:56,922 this was russ' company. 1029 00:43:57,218 --> 00:43:58,833 russ loved japan, he loved the culture. 1030 00:43:59,137 --> 00:44:01,219 and he said, "you know mark, i think that's a great idea. " 1031 00:44:01,514 --> 00:44:04,722 because he was so cutting edge. you know, he was so hip. 1032 00:44:05,017 --> 00:44:06,507 he was always taking that next step forward 1033 00:44:06,811 --> 00:44:08,096 before the forward was there. 1034 00:44:08,396 --> 00:44:10,227 [mark]i saw this location and loved it. 1035 00:44:10,523 --> 00:44:12,605 called russ, and i think he was in japan 1036 00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:14,356 within two weeks to look at the location. 1037 00:44:17,071 --> 00:44:20,108 it took six to eight months of legal wrangling to do this, 1038 00:44:20,408 --> 00:44:22,444 because it hadn't been done before. 1039 00:44:22,743 --> 00:44:25,860 in japan, in order to open up a business you had to have a partner. 1040 00:44:26,164 --> 00:44:29,281 there was restaurants, shakey's pizza parlors 1041 00:44:29,584 --> 00:44:32,542 and mcdonald's, but those were all franchises. 1042 00:44:32,837 --> 00:44:35,624 there was no retail establishment in japan 1043 00:44:35,923 --> 00:44:37,663 wholly owned by an american company. 1044 00:44:37,967 --> 00:44:40,208 it was something nobody else had ever done, for christ sake. 1045 00:44:40,511 --> 00:44:44,174 this was a 3,000 year old country and nobody could ever think 1046 00:44:44,473 --> 00:44:45,804 of another american company 1047 00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:48,762 opening a retail store without a japanese partner. 1048 00:44:49,061 --> 00:44:53,646 [rock music playing] 1049 00:44:59,572 --> 00:45:01,779 [mark]getting all of the racking, the records, 1050 00:45:02,074 --> 00:45:03,780 the employees, everything in place, 1051 00:45:04,076 --> 00:45:06,567 that went without a hitch. that was no problem. 1052 00:45:06,871 --> 00:45:08,031 the hardest part, once again, 1053 00:45:08,331 --> 00:45:10,367 was all of the legal maneuvering 1054 00:45:10,666 --> 00:45:12,702 that had to go on just to open the store. 1055 00:45:13,002 --> 00:45:16,335 but he did open up the shibuya store. 1056 00:45:16,631 --> 00:45:18,371 [mark]literally, the morning we opened, 1057 00:45:18,674 --> 00:45:20,255 we had over 300 or 400 people 1058 00:45:20,551 --> 00:45:21,882 standing in line to get in to the store. 1059 00:45:23,930 --> 00:45:26,888 [russ]people were literally squash ed against the door, 1060 00:45:27,183 --> 00:45:29,640 waiting to get in, and they poured in. 1061 00:45:29,936 --> 00:45:30,766 you never saw anything like it. 1062 00:45:31,062 --> 00:45:33,269 i mean, it was amazing. 1063 00:45:33,564 --> 00:45:34,974 [mark]i remember, the store was packed 1064 00:45:35,274 --> 00:45:36,810 from the moment we opened till we closed, 1065 00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:39,976 we did like 65, 70 grand that day. 1066 00:45:40,279 --> 00:45:42,235 it was like that for the first month 1067 00:45:42,531 --> 00:45:44,647 the store was open. that store was just 1068 00:45:44,951 --> 00:45:47,112 a huge success from day one. 1069 00:45:47,411 --> 00:45:51,154 the japanese culture was really into american music, 1070 00:45:51,457 --> 00:45:53,743 and the fact that it was an american import 1071 00:45:54,043 --> 00:45:56,329 and not a japanese pressed... 1072 00:45:56,629 --> 00:45:57,994 it wasn't the eagles pressed in japan, 1073 00:45:58,297 --> 00:45:59,833 it was the eagles made in the united states 1074 00:46:00,132 --> 00:46:01,372 brought to japan and sold, 1075 00:46:01,676 --> 00:46:05,840 and that whole vibe really sold well. 1076 00:46:06,138 --> 00:46:07,378 we just happened to literally be 1077 00:46:07,682 --> 00:46:08,922 at the right place, at the right time. 1078 00:46:09,225 --> 00:46:11,637 you want to call that luck? then call it luck. 1079 00:46:11,936 --> 00:46:13,221 [interviewer] what would you call it? 1080 00:46:13,521 --> 00:46:14,601 luck. ha! 1081 00:46:14,897 --> 00:46:16,512 [rock music playing] 1082 00:46:19,193 --> 00:46:22,902 we weren't shoving americana down japanese th roats, for god's sakes, 1083 00:46:23,197 --> 00:46:25,654 it was a culture, it was a music culture. 1084 00:46:25,950 --> 00:46:29,693 [russ]so he went and found a second location in yokohama. 1085 00:46:29,996 --> 00:46:31,782 he got it, we put it together, 1086 00:46:32,081 --> 00:46:34,743 opened that damn thing, and it was a success, heh. 1087 00:46:35,042 --> 00:46:36,748 all we had to do was open the doors. 1088 00:46:37,044 --> 00:46:39,330 people flocked in the joint. 1089 00:46:39,630 --> 00:46:41,916 expansion was obviously, once ya do it, 1090 00:46:42,216 --> 00:46:44,753 russ can't wait to do it again. 1091 00:46:45,052 --> 00:46:46,588 [russ] so then we started finding 1092 00:46:46,887 --> 00:46:48,718 these kind of stores all over the country, 1093 00:46:49,015 --> 00:46:51,472 one right after another. 1094 00:46:51,767 --> 00:46:53,928 [mark]and i think russ, seeing the success it was 1095 00:46:54,228 --> 00:46:56,514 globally, or nationally, or internationally, 1096 00:46:56,814 --> 00:46:58,896 i actually think that gave him the impetus 1097 00:46:59,191 --> 00:47:00,852 to move to new york. 1098 00:47:01,152 --> 00:47:03,518 [jim urie] first met russ solomon in the early '803. 1099 00:47:03,821 --> 00:47:05,982 at that point, i was the new york branch manager 1100 00:47:06,282 --> 00:47:08,068 for what is now sony music, 1101 00:47:08,367 --> 00:47:10,403 it was called cbs records at the time, and of course, 1102 00:47:10,703 --> 00:47:12,944 everyone knew about tower records, 1103 00:47:13,247 --> 00:47:17,206 but it was not an east coast phenomenon, at that point. 1104 00:47:17,501 --> 00:47:19,958 [russ]we started with a conversation i was having 1105 00:47:20,254 --> 00:47:22,461 at the narm convention in florida. 1106 00:47:22,757 --> 00:47:24,918 we were talking about, "gosh, you know, 1107 00:47:25,217 --> 00:47:27,173 "i'd love to open a classical store in new york 1108 00:47:27,470 --> 00:47:30,803 because that's the place where people like classical music." 1109 00:47:31,098 --> 00:47:32,713 russ called up and said, 1110 00:47:33,017 --> 00:47:34,928 "hey guys, i want you to come to my office." 1111 00:47:35,227 --> 00:47:36,933 we go in there, and russ says, 1112 00:47:37,229 --> 00:47:39,094 "how would you like to open the store 1113 00:47:39,398 --> 00:47:43,186 "in the middle of the hippest city in the united states 1114 00:47:43,486 --> 00:47:44,817 by a college?" 1115 00:47:45,112 --> 00:47:46,693 we had no idea what he was talking about. 1116 00:47:46,989 --> 00:47:50,277 and we go down into the bowels of lower manhattan 1117 00:47:50,576 --> 00:47:52,237 to the village, 4th and broadway. 1118 00:47:52,536 --> 00:47:54,652 [steve nikkel]there wasn't even a particular neighborhood. 1119 00:47:54,955 --> 00:47:57,196 we started calling it the village, and it became part of the village. 1120 00:47:57,500 --> 00:47:59,866 but it really wasn't part of the village. [chuckles] 1121 00:48:00,169 --> 00:48:03,206 but you spend enough money in marketing and things happen. 1122 00:48:03,506 --> 00:48:04,962 it was terrible, it was like i kind of thought, 1123 00:48:05,257 --> 00:48:07,794 "what the fuck is he thinking?" 1124 00:48:08,094 --> 00:48:09,959 there was a dead dog in the gutter. 1125 00:48:10,262 --> 00:48:13,846 i'm in shock, i thought we were... 1126 00:48:14,141 --> 00:48:15,347 in the bowels of hell. 1127 00:48:15,643 --> 00:48:17,304 [russ] and it was really cheap rent. 1128 00:48:17,603 --> 00:48:19,514 i mean the whole deal was like 10 bucks a foot. 1129 00:48:19,814 --> 00:48:21,270 [jim]literally, there was nothing else there. 1130 00:48:21,565 --> 00:48:24,102 empty office buildings, empty storefronts, 1131 00:48:24,402 --> 00:48:27,144 there was nothing around it. i can't emphasize that enough. 1132 00:48:27,446 --> 00:48:29,482 there was nothing around it at all. 1133 00:48:29,782 --> 00:48:32,774 you know, it was like a massive four stories, 1134 00:48:33,077 --> 00:48:34,362 m ezzanines, escalators, you know, 1135 00:48:34,662 --> 00:48:37,950 very, very expensive store to build. very risky. 1136 00:48:38,249 --> 00:48:40,160 [russ]we took it, and then we fixed it up 1137 00:48:40,459 --> 00:48:42,245 everybody thought we were totally crazy. 1138 00:48:42,545 --> 00:48:45,753 that nobody would ever go to broadway and buy records, 1139 00:48:46,048 --> 00:48:49,256 and we open up, and the people are lined up to get in. 1140 00:48:49,552 --> 00:48:51,793 [jim]and here is this cavernous store, 1141 00:48:52,096 --> 00:48:54,758 half a block footprint, four stories, 1142 00:48:55,057 --> 00:48:56,672 had an elevator it was so tall. 1143 00:48:56,976 --> 00:48:59,217 god knows how much inventory was in there. 1144 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,010 it looked fantastic, of course, 1145 00:49:01,313 --> 00:49:02,769 the vinyl with the 12-inch artwork. 1146 00:49:03,065 --> 00:49:04,805 i mean, it looked great, and it was everywhere. 1147 00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:06,974 their singles department alone 1148 00:49:07,278 --> 00:49:09,269 was probably bigger than any other store 1149 00:49:09,572 --> 00:49:11,813 in my whole new york tri-state area. 1150 00:49:12,116 --> 00:49:14,198 and it wasn't three years later 1151 00:49:14,493 --> 00:49:18,361 when that whole part of town became vibrant again. 1152 00:49:18,664 --> 00:49:21,872 tower records opening there literally revived 1153 00:49:22,168 --> 00:49:27,208 those eight or ten square blocks of manhattan. 1154 00:49:27,506 --> 00:49:29,747 everybody that worked there was a character, 1155 00:49:30,050 --> 00:49:30,880 but russ was the face 1156 00:49:31,177 --> 00:49:33,213 of the company in every way. 1157 00:49:33,512 --> 00:49:35,503 i worked at polygram records in new york. 1158 00:49:35,806 --> 00:49:38,013 as happens in any entertainment company 1159 00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:40,925 there was a change at the top and so a whole bunch of us got blown out as a result. 1160 00:49:41,228 --> 00:49:44,140 new management coming in. i was senior vice president of marketing. 1161 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,307 and it feels pretty bad to get fired. 1162 00:49:47,610 --> 00:49:49,100 and you're on the outside of this business 1163 00:49:49,403 --> 00:49:50,984 you've been in your whole life, 1164 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,612 and your phone's not ringing, 1165 00:49:53,908 --> 00:49:56,194 you worry about your family, and all these things. 1166 00:49:56,494 --> 00:49:58,359 russ used to have this big christmas party 1167 00:49:58,662 --> 00:50:00,027 in his major markets, 1168 00:50:00,331 --> 00:50:02,071 and the one in new york was really big. 1169 00:50:02,374 --> 00:50:03,739 probably 500 people. 1170 00:50:04,043 --> 00:50:05,533 and out of the blue i get an invitation 1171 00:50:05,836 --> 00:50:07,417 to go to the christmas party at my home, 1172 00:50:07,713 --> 00:50:09,203 and i was, of course happy about that, 1173 00:50:09,507 --> 00:50:10,792 i thought, " do i really want to go 1174 00:50:11,091 --> 00:50:12,001 have people looking at me, feeling sorry?" 1175 00:50:12,301 --> 00:50:13,040 but i finally decided to go. 1176 00:50:13,344 --> 00:50:15,005 and i go in that night, 1177 00:50:15,304 --> 00:50:18,216 and you sort of walked in and walked down some stai rs. 1178 00:50:18,516 --> 00:50:20,006 when you first walk in you could see the whole place, 1179 00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:22,595 and it was huge, and shoulder to shoulder. 1180 00:50:22,895 --> 00:50:25,181 and russ was like the pied piper in the middle. 1181 00:50:25,481 --> 00:50:28,063 where russ went, there were throngs of people. 1182 00:50:28,359 --> 00:50:29,815 as russ made his way around the room, 1183 00:50:30,110 --> 00:50:31,350 there was always a throng of people. 1184 00:50:31,654 --> 00:50:33,736 everybody wanted to shake his hand, touch him. 1185 00:50:34,031 --> 00:50:34,986 so, umm... 1186 00:50:37,993 --> 00:50:38,823 i, uh... 1187 00:50:40,204 --> 00:50:41,660 i finally shook his hand, 1188 00:50:41,956 --> 00:50:44,242 said, "hi, thanks for inviting me", whatever. 1189 00:50:44,542 --> 00:50:47,158 he leaned over to me and he said, 1190 00:50:47,461 --> 00:50:50,749 "a couple of us are going out for dinner afterward. do you wanna go?" 1191 00:50:52,174 --> 00:50:53,880 [choked up] and, uh... 1192 00:50:54,176 --> 00:50:55,837 let me start that again. 1193 00:50:58,055 --> 00:51:00,046 "a couple of us are going out to dinner. do you wanna go?" 1194 00:51:00,349 --> 00:51:03,466 and i said, "well, golly yeah, russ, if you really want to have me." 1195 00:51:03,769 --> 00:51:05,600 so he told me where and i went. 1196 00:51:05,896 --> 00:51:07,887 and it was russ, and four other people, and me. 1197 00:51:13,153 --> 00:51:14,233 and, uh... 1198 00:51:16,031 --> 00:51:17,111 and at that moment in my life, 1199 00:51:17,408 --> 00:51:20,445 that meant... a lot. 1200 00:51:22,246 --> 00:51:24,077 because i was down. 1201 00:51:24,373 --> 00:51:26,455 and that russ solomon would care enough, 1202 00:51:26,750 --> 00:51:28,832 and do that personal little touch... 1203 00:51:31,755 --> 00:51:33,996 means something to me now, 20 some years later. 1204 00:51:38,053 --> 00:51:40,760 he could have used it, i mean, most guys would have used it 1205 00:51:41,056 --> 00:51:42,637 as a business opportunity and grabbed 1206 00:51:42,933 --> 00:51:44,719 a couple record company presidents and whatever, 1207 00:51:45,019 --> 00:51:47,180 instead of some out of work guy. 1208 00:51:47,479 --> 00:51:50,016 but that's not the way russ sees life. 1209 00:51:58,032 --> 00:52:00,193 [heidi]the whole magic of tower as a chain 1210 00:52:00,492 --> 00:52:02,153 was that it was a chain of independent stores. 1211 00:52:02,453 --> 00:52:04,068 book stores as well as the record stores. 1212 00:52:04,371 --> 00:52:06,111 so when you walked into a tower record store, 1213 00:52:06,415 --> 00:52:08,326 you thought it was the only one on the planet. 1214 00:52:08,626 --> 00:52:11,242 the l.a. people always thought the l.a. store was the first store. 1215 00:52:11,545 --> 00:52:13,786 the new yorkers always thought the new york store was. 1216 00:52:14,089 --> 00:52:16,626 the san francisco people thought that their store was. 1217 00:52:16,925 --> 00:52:18,540 because they all had the individual flavor 1218 00:52:18,844 --> 00:52:21,005 of the people who ran it and who worked there. 1219 00:52:21,305 --> 00:52:22,590 which made them very unique. 1220 00:52:22,890 --> 00:52:26,007 there was no cookie cutter going on at all. 1221 00:52:26,310 --> 00:52:28,301 [steve nikkel]until we got into some of the larger markets 1222 00:52:28,604 --> 00:52:30,265 on the east coast, then we started buying 1223 00:52:30,564 --> 00:52:33,601 national tv for ads, so we became a national brand. 1224 00:52:33,901 --> 00:52:34,890 but you had to have 1225 00:52:35,194 --> 00:52:36,684 the credibility in the larger markets 1226 00:52:36,987 --> 00:52:39,103 before you could go into the suburbs. 1227 00:52:39,406 --> 00:52:41,522 probably in about late '703, 1228 00:52:41,825 --> 00:52:44,612 we established our own advertising department. 1229 00:52:44,912 --> 00:52:47,153 that was chris hopson who ran it. 1230 00:52:47,456 --> 00:52:49,242 farrace was just working in there 1231 00:52:49,541 --> 00:52:51,623 as one of the advertising people, the assistants. 1232 00:52:51,919 --> 00:52:54,285 farrace also was one of these thinkers. 1233 00:52:54,588 --> 00:52:56,078 and he came to me one day and says, 1234 00:52:56,382 --> 00:52:57,872 "we ought to have a magazine for tower, 1235 00:52:58,175 --> 00:53:00,086 i've got an idea what to call it: pulse." 1236 00:53:00,386 --> 00:53:01,717 i said, "great, let's do it." 1237 00:53:03,263 --> 00:53:04,924 [mike farrace] working with chris, 1238 00:53:05,224 --> 00:53:07,556 we hammered out this way that the magazine would exist 1239 00:53:07,851 --> 00:53:09,387 and when people advertised in it, 1240 00:53:09,687 --> 00:53:11,177 they would get a sale price in the store, 1241 00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:12,720 positioning in a rack, 1242 00:53:13,023 --> 00:53:15,184 just the things that really gave it the teeth. 1243 00:53:15,484 --> 00:53:17,520 [steve]pulse was another credibility thing for us. 1244 00:53:17,820 --> 00:53:19,526 we could not only sell music, 1245 00:53:19,822 --> 00:53:21,813 but we could write about it, we could communicate about it. 1246 00:53:22,116 --> 00:53:24,653 [springsteen]i mean, there was nothing and no one 1247 00:53:24,952 --> 00:53:27,910 with the exception of your rock fanzines 1248 00:53:28,205 --> 00:53:32,118 and small columns in maybe a few of the major newspapers 1249 00:53:32,418 --> 00:53:34,704 that were interested in what you were doing. 1250 00:53:35,003 --> 00:53:36,539 there weren't that many people interested 1251 00:53:36,839 --> 00:53:38,830 in what 25�year�old kids were doing with music. 1252 00:53:39,133 --> 00:53:42,421 so you made your record, you gave a few interviews 1253 00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:46,008 to music publications, and some daily newspapers, 1254 00:53:46,306 --> 00:53:47,967 that was all there was to do. 1255 00:53:48,267 --> 00:53:50,428 [steve]it was a very credible music magazine, 1256 00:53:50,728 --> 00:53:52,514 and it was a national music magazine 1257 00:53:52,813 --> 00:53:54,553 because of all the markets we were in. 1258 00:53:54,857 --> 00:53:58,145 and the magazine grew and it was a really good magazine. 1259 00:53:58,444 --> 00:53:59,729 but it was a great idea. 1260 00:54:00,028 --> 00:54:01,643 i remember him saying more than once, 1261 00:54:01,947 --> 00:54:03,687 "just don't lose too much money on it." 1262 00:54:03,991 --> 00:54:05,572 and try to make something. 1263 00:54:05,868 --> 00:54:09,031 it was the first time he really focused on an idea i had. 1264 00:54:09,329 --> 00:54:12,071 [russ]you'd listen to the people who had ideas. 1265 00:54:12,374 --> 00:54:13,614 the kids in the store, 1266 00:54:13,917 --> 00:54:16,374 who i say invented all kinds of ideas. 1267 00:54:16,670 --> 00:54:18,206 everything we ever did was invented 1268 00:54:18,505 --> 00:54:20,086 by the kids in the store. 1269 00:54:20,382 --> 00:54:23,465 the art on the walls, the way they displayed things. 1270 00:54:23,761 --> 00:54:26,924 their attitude about what to buy and what not to buy. 1271 00:54:27,222 --> 00:54:29,884 was all things happening at the store level. 1272 00:54:30,184 --> 00:54:32,516 the whole "no music, no life", came out of japan. 1273 00:54:32,811 --> 00:54:34,722 we adopted it, brought it in, and used it. 1274 00:54:35,022 --> 00:54:36,637 so we're using their creativity. 1275 00:54:36,940 --> 00:54:38,100 going, "wow, this is interesting." 1276 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:39,856 or, "ah, that's too dark." 1277 00:54:40,152 --> 00:54:41,517 and i'm going, "no it's not, it's fun." 1278 00:54:41,820 --> 00:54:43,230 no music, no life, in this sort of 1279 00:54:43,530 --> 00:54:45,236 snoopy, peanuts kind of script, 1280 00:54:45,532 --> 00:54:46,942 i'm going, "this is very cool." 1281 00:54:47,242 --> 00:54:50,655 it was famous for the record cover paintings 1282 00:54:50,954 --> 00:54:53,696 that was jammed on its walls outside. 1283 00:54:53,999 --> 00:54:55,739 [bob delanoy]but that became prominent. 1284 00:54:56,043 --> 00:54:57,408 all of a sudden, that became the norm 1285 00:54:57,711 --> 00:54:59,247 for anywhere we had windows. 1286 00:54:59,546 --> 00:55:01,787 they'd expect us to put some displays. 1287 00:55:02,090 --> 00:55:05,503 [springsteen]you aspired to have your album 1288 00:55:05,803 --> 00:55:08,010 part of that big mural out there, you know. 1289 00:55:08,305 --> 00:55:10,296 i mean, the board thing was really cool, 1290 00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:12,681 and then we took it inside where we had an art dept. 1291 00:55:12,976 --> 00:55:15,433 that was all foam core, it wasn't just people stapling albums up. 1292 00:55:15,729 --> 00:55:17,185 people went to great lengths, 1293 00:55:17,481 --> 00:55:20,314 like they'd get that weird foam cardboard stuff 1294 00:55:20,609 --> 00:55:22,565 and make a baby, and then there's 1295 00:55:22,861 --> 00:55:24,567 an actual dollar bill dangling in front of it, 1296 00:55:24,863 --> 00:55:26,728 and it looks like water behind it, you know, 1297 00:55:27,032 --> 00:55:29,569 and when you'd see people go to that much trouble for you, 1298 00:55:29,868 --> 00:55:30,857 for your band, 1299 00:55:31,161 --> 00:55:33,948 we were just... we were just shocked. 1300 00:55:34,248 --> 00:55:36,705 i think that really influenced and enhanced 1301 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,207 the experience people had when they came in the store. 1302 00:55:39,503 --> 00:55:41,539 the presentation of music... 1303 00:55:43,590 --> 00:55:46,297 was physically exciting. 1304 00:55:46,593 --> 00:55:47,924 [steve knopper] they branded it, they made 1305 00:55:48,220 --> 00:55:50,131 those red and yellow logos and signs. 1306 00:55:50,430 --> 00:55:52,796 and turned the idea that this was your local record store 1307 00:55:53,100 --> 00:55:54,965 into a national thing. 1308 00:55:55,269 --> 00:55:57,635 [mike solomon]tower was growing at a faster and faster rate, 1309 00:55:57,938 --> 00:55:59,428 was becoming more successful, 1310 00:55:59,731 --> 00:56:02,894 and was becoming more known or renowned. 1311 00:56:03,193 --> 00:56:06,276 the employees at tower felt proud about that. 1312 00:56:06,572 --> 00:56:08,062 we helped each other make it work. 1313 00:56:08,365 --> 00:56:11,323 we tried to get the person below us promoted 1314 00:56:11,618 --> 00:56:12,573 so that they could move on. 1315 00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:14,280 i became a store manager. 1316 00:56:14,580 --> 00:56:16,320 i became the regional director, 1317 00:56:16,623 --> 00:56:18,659 i became vice president of operations for the usa, 1318 00:56:18,959 --> 00:56:20,324 i became vice president and director 1319 00:56:20,627 --> 00:56:22,208 of in�store design and development. 1320 00:56:22,504 --> 00:56:24,745 [stan]we were really getting into an expansion mode. 1321 00:56:25,048 --> 00:56:28,381 it was quite a transition from being store-centric 1322 00:56:28,677 --> 00:56:31,259 to having to look at the whole picture. 1323 00:56:31,555 --> 00:56:34,547 but all those years weren't wonderful years. 1324 00:56:34,850 --> 00:56:36,465 i only remember this because i was a young guy, 1325 00:56:36,768 --> 00:56:38,349 and had to lay some people off for the first time. 1326 00:56:38,645 --> 00:56:41,057 '79, '81, and like '83 were years 1327 00:56:41,356 --> 00:56:43,517 where the record companies were actually laying people off. 1328 00:56:43,817 --> 00:56:45,523 rock and roll, which had been so exciting 1329 00:56:45,819 --> 00:56:48,185 just 10 or 15 or 20 years earlier, 1330 00:56:48,488 --> 00:56:51,321 kind of got to the point where it was a little bit stagnant. 1331 00:56:51,617 --> 00:56:53,073 the record labels, many of them, 1332 00:56:53,368 --> 00:56:55,825 had put all their eggs into the disco basket. 1333 00:56:56,121 --> 00:56:58,407 a lot of radio stations immediately changed formats 1334 00:56:58,707 --> 00:57:00,868 in every big city there were two or three disco stations 1335 00:57:01,168 --> 00:57:02,908 that replaced other formats of radio, 1336 00:57:03,211 --> 00:57:05,293 and i think hurt as disco didn't sell that well. 1337 00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:07,875 there were a lot of layoffs, record sales went way, way down, 1338 00:57:08,175 --> 00:57:10,131 and some in the industry that were really worried. 1339 00:57:10,427 --> 00:57:14,261 it was all disco, and then disco just one day crashed. 1340 00:57:14,556 --> 00:57:17,093 you would up having these djs to get attention, 1341 00:57:17,392 --> 00:57:18,177 take advantage of it. 1342 00:57:18,477 --> 00:57:19,512 "disco sucks, man." 1343 00:57:19,811 --> 00:57:21,676 and so there was a recession. 1344 00:57:21,980 --> 00:57:25,188 three things happened that pulled the music industry 1345 00:57:25,484 --> 00:57:27,520 out of its recession, out of its doldrums. 1346 00:57:27,819 --> 00:57:29,605 [engine roars] 1347 00:57:29,905 --> 00:57:33,318 [electric guitar playing rock] 1348 00:57:33,617 --> 00:57:34,902 one thing was mtv. 1349 00:57:35,202 --> 00:57:36,817 turn it on, leave it on. 1350 00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,953 america, see the music you want to see. 1351 00:57:40,248 --> 00:57:41,784 i want my mtv. 1352 00:57:42,084 --> 00:57:43,665 [steve]artists who'd been somewhat successful 1353 00:57:43,961 --> 00:57:46,543 could add a whole new visual part of their careers. 1354 00:57:46,838 --> 00:57:48,328 if you got your video on mtv, 1355 00:57:48,632 --> 00:57:51,499 that directly had a huge impact on sales. 1356 00:57:51,802 --> 00:57:53,087 hi, mtv. 1357 00:57:53,387 --> 00:57:54,797 [jim] i can remember clearly signing off on 1358 00:57:55,097 --> 00:57:58,385 video budgets that were $700, $800,000. 1359 00:57:58,684 --> 00:58:01,096 it was all important that we get that thing on mtv 1360 00:58:01,395 --> 00:58:02,805 and if we did, boy we were off to the races. 1361 00:58:03,105 --> 00:58:05,938 call your cable company and say, 1362 00:58:06,233 --> 00:58:07,723 "i want my mtv!" 1363 00:58:08,026 --> 00:58:10,893 the second thing was michael jackson's thriller album. 1364 00:58:11,196 --> 00:58:13,528 in the record industry, there's a saying, "hits save everything." 1365 00:58:13,824 --> 00:58:16,065 and so thriller was the proverbial rising tide 1366 00:58:16,368 --> 00:58:17,653 that lifted all the boats. 1367 00:58:17,953 --> 00:58:19,989 so many people went into record stores, 1368 00:58:20,288 --> 00:58:22,745 including tower, tens of millions of them at a time. 1369 00:58:23,041 --> 00:58:24,656 and when they were in there, they'd say, 1370 00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:26,496 "oh, how about also this lionel richie album, 1371 00:58:26,795 --> 00:58:28,205 "and how about this madonna album, 1372 00:58:28,505 --> 00:58:30,541 and how about this springsteen, and prince album?ii 1373 00:58:30,841 --> 00:58:32,126 then the whole thing started to lift. 1374 00:58:32,426 --> 00:58:33,711 and then the third and final thing, 1375 00:58:34,011 --> 00:58:35,592 which was much more of a prolonged thing 1376 00:58:35,887 --> 00:58:37,843 was the adoption of the cd. 1377 00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:42,845 it's hard to remember now, because they seem so antiquated, 1378 00:58:43,145 --> 00:58:45,010 but cds for a while were cool. 1379 00:58:45,313 --> 00:58:47,474 they were shiny and silver, and state of the art, 1380 00:58:47,774 --> 00:58:49,014 and they sounded perfect. 1381 00:58:49,317 --> 00:58:50,773 they sounded pristine, and that was something 1382 00:58:51,069 --> 00:58:53,151 that we couldn't get from our big, cumbersome lps. 1383 00:58:53,447 --> 00:58:55,403 that was exciting because it was digital 1384 00:58:55,699 --> 00:58:58,441 and as much as i like the sound of lps, 1385 00:58:58,744 --> 00:59:00,780 the ticks and pops when you were listening to classical 1386 00:59:01,079 --> 00:59:02,910 used to just drive me up the wall. 1387 00:59:03,206 --> 00:59:05,197 so this thing was coming out, and you'd go, 1388 00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:08,287 "okay, well how do we explain this to people?" 1389 00:59:08,587 --> 00:59:10,123 how do we tell them there's a whole, 1390 00:59:10,422 --> 00:59:12,037 not only that there's a whole new technology out there, 1391 00:59:12,340 --> 00:59:14,171 but there's also a reason to buy it, 1392 00:59:14,468 --> 00:59:18,507 because there are enough cds out there for you to buy. 1393 00:59:18,805 --> 00:59:19,840 but you didn't know 1394 00:59:20,140 --> 00:59:21,550 if the people would adopt it or not. 1395 00:59:21,850 --> 00:59:24,307 the executives at labels resisted the cd, 1396 00:59:24,603 --> 00:59:25,809 they wanted no part of it at all. 1397 00:59:26,104 --> 00:59:28,891 they were worried that it'd create piracy. 1398 00:59:29,191 --> 00:59:30,772 but russ persevered th rough that, 1399 00:59:31,068 --> 00:59:35,653 and he was the first, biggest, best champion of the cd. 1400 00:59:35,947 --> 00:59:37,437 [russ]it is so clean. 1401 00:59:37,741 --> 00:59:40,232 i'm very conscious of high quality sound. 1402 00:59:40,535 --> 00:59:42,400 he always said that that was going to be 1403 00:59:42,704 --> 00:59:44,069 the savior of the retail store. 1404 00:59:44,372 --> 00:59:46,454 these new, innovative, high end, 1405 00:59:46,750 --> 00:59:48,536 super great sounding discs. 1406 00:59:48,835 --> 00:59:49,915 [steve knopper] everybody, it turns out, 1407 00:59:50,212 --> 00:59:51,702 was getting tired of the lp, 1408 00:59:52,005 --> 00:59:53,996 and they were ready to replace their record collections 1409 00:59:54,299 --> 00:59:56,415 on this more expensive product called the cd. 1410 00:59:56,718 --> 00:59:58,379 i mean that was a huge piece of the record business 1411 00:59:58,678 --> 01:00:01,169 was people replacing their catalogs with cds. 1412 01:00:01,473 --> 01:00:03,509 look at this cool new thing. 1413 01:00:03,809 --> 01:00:05,345 where can i buy it? tower records. 1414 01:00:08,605 --> 01:00:09,765 as an experiment, the tower store 1415 01:00:10,065 --> 01:00:11,350 on sunset boulevard in los angeles 1416 01:00:11,650 --> 01:00:13,311 has installed a bin full of cds. 1417 01:00:13,610 --> 01:00:15,146 [steve knopper]they realized the cd was much more expensive. 1418 01:00:15,445 --> 01:00:17,356 and it would push up that price point 1419 01:00:17,656 --> 01:00:19,647 up to maybe $15.99 or $16.99, 1420 01:00:19,950 --> 01:00:21,861 which was a god send for the record industry 1421 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,526 at that time, and tower took advantage of it. 1422 01:00:24,830 --> 01:00:27,116 [electronic hip hop music playing] 1423 01:00:29,709 --> 01:00:31,574 i pump up the volume, pump up the volume i 1424 01:00:31,878 --> 01:00:33,664 i pump up the volume, check it out... i 1425 01:00:33,964 --> 01:00:36,671 [male reporter]by 1988 though, cassette sales nearly doubled, 1426 01:00:36,967 --> 01:00:39,504 cds had exploded, and the market for vinyl lps 1427 01:00:39,803 --> 01:00:42,294 had shrunk by nearly two thirds. 1428 01:00:42,597 --> 01:00:44,508 so it was exciting for the record company, 1429 01:00:44,808 --> 01:00:45,672 it was exciting for the consumer, 1430 01:00:45,976 --> 01:00:48,012 and for the artist. 1431 01:00:48,311 --> 01:00:51,018 all of a sudden, you sold you were rich. 1432 01:00:51,314 --> 01:00:53,521 [steve knopper]all of this flowed from the fact that 1433 01:00:53,817 --> 01:00:56,559 the cd was selling so well. 1434 01:00:56,862 --> 01:00:58,568 and tower, of course benefited from that, 1435 01:00:58,864 --> 01:01:00,479 they were part of that culture too. 1436 01:01:00,782 --> 01:01:02,488 [male reporter]in response to this consumer defection, 1437 01:01:02,784 --> 01:01:04,820 a number of major record stores have removed vinyl albums 1438 01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:06,826 from their shelves altogether. 1439 01:01:07,122 --> 01:01:09,238 so, is vinyl dead? 1440 01:01:09,541 --> 01:01:10,906 [female reporter] today's popular music 1441 01:01:11,209 --> 01:01:12,665 is more diverse than ever before, 1442 01:01:12,961 --> 01:01:15,293 and selection is at an all-time high. 1443 01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:16,874 but the cost of pre-recorded music 1444 01:01:17,174 --> 01:01:18,459 has also reached new levels, 1445 01:01:18,758 --> 01:01:20,248 causing customers to be wary 1446 01:01:20,552 --> 01:01:22,793 of purchasing unknown artists and musical styles. 1447 01:01:23,096 --> 01:01:26,008 tower and the record labels were doing this dance on price 1448 01:01:26,308 --> 01:01:29,550 that suppliers and wholesalers often do 1449 01:01:29,853 --> 01:01:32,811 which is sort of: "where will the consumer break?" 1450 01:01:33,106 --> 01:01:34,562 to combat this problem, 1451 01:01:34,858 --> 01:01:37,065 tower has introduced their new cd listening stations 1452 01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,271 in its retail locations worldwide, 1453 01:01:39,571 --> 01:01:42,358 and the public's reaction has been tremendous. 1454 01:01:42,657 --> 01:01:45,399 but i think where russ said and where tower records said, they were just like, 1455 01:01:45,702 --> 01:01:48,489 " every christmas the records cost more, and they're selling more." 1456 01:01:48,788 --> 01:01:50,528 what's not to like? 1457 01:01:50,832 --> 01:01:52,788 [russ on tv] our stores are bigger, they're better stocked, 1458 01:01:53,084 --> 01:01:54,290 they have more knowledgeable people. 1459 01:01:54,586 --> 01:01:56,247 competition will take care of itself. 1460 01:01:56,546 --> 01:01:58,912 [interviewer] that's it, russ, you can open more stores now. 1461 01:01:59,216 --> 01:02:00,922 i pump up the volume, pump up the volume i 1462 01:02:01,218 --> 01:02:04,585 i pump up the volume, dance dance... i 1463 01:02:04,888 --> 01:02:07,300 [steve] russ had a serious amount of power, for a long time. 1464 01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:09,180 there were always a lot of record chains, 1465 01:02:09,476 --> 01:02:10,841 but tower was, i think the most powerful one 1466 01:02:11,144 --> 01:02:12,850 for a long period of time. 1467 01:02:13,146 --> 01:02:14,761 [male reporter] recently, tower records was again recognized 1468 01:02:15,065 --> 01:02:17,397 as u.s. music retailer of the year by narm, 1469 01:02:17,692 --> 01:02:20,024 the national association of recording merchandisers. 1470 01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:21,856 this makes the fourth time that tower's received 1471 01:02:22,155 --> 01:02:23,645 this prestigious award. 1472 01:02:23,949 --> 01:02:25,655 the honor was bestowed in recognition of tower's 1473 01:02:25,951 --> 01:02:28,613 high profile image, marketing and merchandising strength, 1474 01:02:28,912 --> 01:02:30,823 and fiscal responsibility. 1475 01:02:33,041 --> 01:02:35,123 so starting in 1984, you had michael jackson, 1476 01:02:35,418 --> 01:02:37,079 and madonna, and bruce springsteen, and prince, 1477 01:02:37,379 --> 01:02:38,835 and then you had the hair metal bands 1478 01:02:39,130 --> 01:02:40,791 and then you had the grunge era, 1479 01:02:41,091 --> 01:02:42,797 and then you had hootie and the blowfish, 1480 01:02:43,093 --> 01:02:44,708 and then you had this entire period 1481 01:02:45,011 --> 01:02:46,876 '84 to 2000, it's no coincidence 1482 01:02:47,180 --> 01:02:49,091 that hip hop had its booming growth 1483 01:02:49,391 --> 01:02:50,631 during this period. 1484 01:02:50,934 --> 01:02:52,640 then you had boy bands and britney spears 1485 01:02:52,936 --> 01:02:55,143 and christina aguilera, and all th ese acts 1486 01:02:55,438 --> 01:02:57,804 that took advantage of teen pop stuff that was big. 1487 01:02:58,108 --> 01:02:59,848 so it was just one bomb exploding 1488 01:03:00,151 --> 01:03:02,107 after another in music. 1489 01:03:02,404 --> 01:03:03,564 tower was the center of it all. 1490 01:03:03,863 --> 01:03:05,319 if they're paying by credit card, 1491 01:03:05,615 --> 01:03:09,574 the register sets the charge in a matter of seconds. 1492 01:03:09,869 --> 01:03:10,733 you make that kind of money, 1493 01:03:11,037 --> 01:03:12,117 you want to hang on to it. 1494 01:03:12,414 --> 01:03:16,657 tower, tower again, and again. 1495 01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:18,245 [male tv announcer] all the music is stuck 1496 01:03:18,545 --> 01:03:20,285 in this completely warped galaxy, 1497 01:03:20,588 --> 01:03:22,169 but then tower goes and gets it back, 1498 01:03:22,465 --> 01:03:24,751 and opens stores all over your planet. 1499 01:03:25,051 --> 01:03:28,509 tower records, more music for less money. 1500 01:03:28,805 --> 01:03:30,887 [steve knopper]and it was just overwhelmingly big. everybody knew the logo. 1501 01:03:31,182 --> 01:03:32,592 everybody knew the red and yellow bag. 1502 01:03:32,892 --> 01:03:34,223 [man]when the digital revolution came, 1503 01:03:34,519 --> 01:03:35,850 you know the record business jumped on it 1504 01:03:36,146 --> 01:03:40,185 with the cd, not realizing that they were 1505 01:03:40,483 --> 01:03:42,098 really causing their own demise. 1506 01:03:42,402 --> 01:03:44,609 [knopper]but i definitely think that tower was optimistic, 1507 01:03:44,904 --> 01:03:45,859 and they felt like the good times would last 1508 01:03:46,156 --> 01:03:47,271 for a good long time. 1509 01:03:47,574 --> 01:03:49,064 i mean they expanded during this period. 1510 01:03:49,367 --> 01:03:51,323 [mike]well, by the early '9os, we were having 1511 01:03:51,619 --> 01:03:53,610 pretty good success in our foreign operations. 1512 01:03:53,913 --> 01:03:55,244 again, it was driven by japan, 1513 01:03:55,540 --> 01:03:57,701 which was extremely profitable. 1514 01:03:58,001 --> 01:04:01,619 maybe more so than the domestic company in america. 1515 01:04:01,921 --> 01:04:03,536 [russ]we moved the old shibuya store 1516 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:05,876 to this new shibuya store, it was an eight story building. 1517 01:04:06,176 --> 01:04:07,882 84,000 feet. 1518 01:04:08,178 --> 01:04:10,260 each floor was a segmented store. 1519 01:04:10,555 --> 01:04:13,262 and the place was doing hundreds of hundreds 1520 01:04:13,558 --> 01:04:14,889 of thousands of dollars a month. 1521 01:04:15,185 --> 01:04:18,097 i mean, it was a huge success. [chuckles] 1522 01:04:18,396 --> 01:04:19,476 you couldn't stop 'em. 1523 01:04:19,773 --> 01:04:22,640 it gave us a lot of confidence. 1524 01:04:22,942 --> 01:04:24,227 somebody came from england and said, 1525 01:04:24,527 --> 01:04:25,812 "why don't you have a store in england?" 1526 01:04:26,112 --> 01:04:27,602 howdy, i'm russ solomon. 1527 01:04:27,906 --> 01:04:30,022 i want to take this opportunity to welcome all of you 1528 01:04:30,325 --> 01:04:31,861 to our little spot in central london, 1529 01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:33,900 and i hope you're going to have a great time tonight 1530 01:04:34,204 --> 01:04:37,822 seeing what is tonight, the marriage of wembley and tower. 1531 01:04:38,124 --> 01:04:39,409 two great names in entertainment. 1532 01:04:39,709 --> 01:04:41,199 so drink up and have a great time. 1533 01:04:41,503 --> 01:04:43,118 i'm doin' it. 1534 01:04:43,421 --> 01:04:45,503 [russ] and then in japan, the guy that we sent to japan 1535 01:04:45,799 --> 01:04:49,087 a few years later, makes a contact with somebody in taiwan 1536 01:04:49,386 --> 01:04:50,592 to make a partnership 1537 01:04:50,887 --> 01:04:53,003 for hong kong and taiwan and singapore. 1538 01:04:53,306 --> 01:04:55,672 the company was really getting big. 1539 01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,977 [steve nikkel]we were doing business on a very high level. 1540 01:05:01,272 --> 01:05:02,808 but you never escaped this thing that 1541 01:05:03,108 --> 01:05:04,939 wow, it's like, i'm sitting in an ex-pat bar 1542 01:05:05,235 --> 01:05:07,066 at 2:00 in the morning in taipei, 1543 01:05:07,362 --> 01:05:09,774 you know, and i'm from sacramento. 1544 01:05:10,073 --> 01:05:11,108 how cool is this? 1545 01:05:11,408 --> 01:05:14,696 moving to countries outside of japan 1546 01:05:14,994 --> 01:05:15,983 was a risk. 1547 01:05:16,287 --> 01:05:17,117 they expanded in latin america, 1548 01:05:17,414 --> 01:05:19,746 in asia, and all over the place. 1549 01:05:20,041 --> 01:05:22,248 [woman] can you give the fans message tonight? 1550 01:05:22,544 --> 01:05:24,375 no music, no life. 1551 01:05:24,671 --> 01:05:26,957 [mike]we were becoming famous worldwide, 1552 01:05:27,257 --> 01:05:28,747 and we enjoyed that. 1553 01:05:29,050 --> 01:05:30,039 why, i suppose it stroked our egos 1554 01:05:30,343 --> 01:05:31,128 to a certain point. 1555 01:05:31,428 --> 01:05:32,634 it was fucking awesome. 1556 01:05:32,929 --> 01:05:35,261 i mean, come on. [laughs] 1557 01:05:35,557 --> 01:05:39,015 i mean, my gosh, it was a mind blower. 1558 01:05:39,310 --> 01:05:40,265 it was really fun. 1559 01:05:40,562 --> 01:05:42,473 we got to know more about music 1560 01:05:42,772 --> 01:05:44,854 going in to mexico city, going in to colombia, 1561 01:05:45,150 --> 01:05:47,186 and buenos aires, it allowed us to know 1562 01:05:47,485 --> 01:05:49,191 a lot more about latin music. 1563 01:05:49,487 --> 01:05:51,648 but we weren't really successful 1564 01:05:51,948 --> 01:05:54,439 in any of the other countries we went into. 1565 01:05:54,742 --> 01:05:55,902 therein lies the tale. 1566 01:05:56,202 --> 01:05:57,988 you know sometimes, i guess, one can get 1567 01:05:58,288 --> 01:05:59,949 a little too big for their britches. 1568 01:06:00,248 --> 01:06:02,079 like i said, there was this culture 1569 01:06:02,375 --> 01:06:04,411 that was growing that wherever we wanted 1570 01:06:04,711 --> 01:06:06,622 to put a store, build it and they will come, 1571 01:06:06,921 --> 01:06:08,286 field of dreams bullshit. 1572 01:06:08,590 --> 01:06:10,581 there was no due diligence, for christ sakes, 1573 01:06:10,884 --> 01:06:13,876 done on buenos aires or mexico city. 1574 01:06:14,179 --> 01:06:16,841 i said borrow all that damn money. 1575 01:06:17,140 --> 01:06:19,927 i'm as guilty about that as anybody else. 1576 01:06:20,226 --> 01:06:22,717 i'm stupid for saying yes 1577 01:06:23,021 --> 01:06:24,761 to partnerships in argentina 1578 01:06:25,064 --> 01:06:27,020 even though i didn't totally believe in 'em. 1579 01:06:27,317 --> 01:06:30,400 [mike solomon]bud did not want the company to go in to so much debt. 1580 01:06:30,695 --> 01:06:32,481 he would succumb to the pressure that russ 1581 01:06:32,780 --> 01:06:35,738 put on him, although he was happy enough, 1582 01:06:36,034 --> 01:06:37,149 especially because he was making 1583 01:06:37,452 --> 01:06:38,532 a lot of money, personally. 1584 01:06:38,828 --> 01:06:40,034 if you look at the music industry 1585 01:06:40,330 --> 01:06:42,491 at any given point during that period 1586 01:06:42,790 --> 01:06:45,657 from '84 to 2000, you wouldn't really go, 1587 01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,372 "oh no, there's choppy waters on the horizon." 1588 01:06:48,671 --> 01:06:49,956 russ, what about these new technologies 1589 01:06:50,256 --> 01:06:53,589 like the mini disc, dcc, or beaming music and video 1590 01:06:53,885 --> 01:06:55,045 right in to my house? 1591 01:06:55,345 --> 01:06:56,960 are my cds history, and will your inventory 1592 01:06:57,263 --> 01:06:58,719 at tower become obsolete? 1593 01:06:59,015 --> 01:07:00,221 there's so many new technologies 1594 01:07:00,517 --> 01:07:02,007 we simply get involved with them. 1595 01:07:02,310 --> 01:07:03,390 we get involved with them 1596 01:07:03,686 --> 01:07:05,222 at the early part of their development 1597 01:07:05,522 --> 01:07:07,854 and we grow with 'em, or when they die, 1598 01:07:08,149 --> 01:07:10,481 we throw them out like d.a.t. 1599 01:07:10,777 --> 01:07:12,358 as for the whole concept of beaming something 1600 01:07:12,654 --> 01:07:16,112 in to one's home, that may come along someday, 1601 01:07:16,407 --> 01:07:18,238 that's for sure, but it will come along 1602 01:07:18,535 --> 01:07:20,275 over a long period of time, and we'll be able 1603 01:07:20,578 --> 01:07:22,193 to deal with it and change our focus 1604 01:07:22,497 --> 01:07:24,112 and change the way we do business 1605 01:07:24,415 --> 01:07:26,827 to deal with the situation as it really is. 1606 01:07:27,126 --> 01:07:28,332 as far as your cd collection, 1607 01:07:28,628 --> 01:07:30,914 and our cd inventory for that matter, 1608 01:07:31,214 --> 01:07:33,876 it's going to be around for a long, long time, believe me. 1609 01:07:34,175 --> 01:07:35,665 [russ]when you look back on all your mistakes, 1610 01:07:35,969 --> 01:07:37,425 and you make 'em, that's for sure, 1611 01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:39,961 it just, it catches up with ya, 1612 01:07:40,265 --> 01:07:41,801 is what the truth of it is. 1613 01:07:42,100 --> 01:07:44,967 you think you're going to be all right, 1614 01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:46,430 and when it catches up with ya, 1615 01:07:46,729 --> 01:07:49,095 then it's too late to do anything about it. 1616 01:07:49,399 --> 01:07:51,105 [mike solomon]the business had grown significantly. 1617 01:07:51,401 --> 01:07:53,062 it was an international business. 1618 01:07:53,361 --> 01:07:56,478 sales were running close to a billion dollars by that time, 1619 01:07:56,781 --> 01:07:59,443 and bud the accountant was possibly 1620 01:07:59,742 --> 01:08:00,948 a little bit over his head. 1621 01:08:01,244 --> 01:08:03,610 we had to hire a guy from the outside. 1622 01:08:03,913 --> 01:08:05,153 fellow by the name of dee searson. 1623 01:08:05,456 --> 01:08:08,118 [russ]because i had complete trust in bud, 1624 01:08:08,418 --> 01:08:10,283 i had also complete trust with dee. 1625 01:08:10,587 --> 01:08:12,953 [mike solomon]by the early 19903, the relationship 1626 01:08:13,256 --> 01:08:16,293 between bud and russ had become a little bit strained. 1627 01:08:16,593 --> 01:08:19,630 bud stopped going to the daily lunches, 1628 01:08:19,929 --> 01:08:21,214 they were giving him ulcers. 1629 01:08:21,514 --> 01:08:25,848 bud's job became less and less important. 1630 01:08:26,144 --> 01:08:27,475 he finally had to leave. 1631 01:08:27,770 --> 01:08:32,104 so it was around 1995 that bud decided to retire. 1632 01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,233 russ will, even to this day, will say 1633 01:08:35,528 --> 01:08:37,314 that that's one of the things that went wrong 1634 01:08:37,614 --> 01:08:41,232 when bud was kind of eased out. 1635 01:08:41,534 --> 01:08:43,490 [rudy danzinger]! think bud was that kind of person 1636 01:08:43,786 --> 01:08:45,322 they felt as though something's going to happen. 1637 01:08:45,622 --> 01:08:47,362 the company won't, will not be the same. 1638 01:08:47,665 --> 01:08:50,782 when bud left, dee took over as the cfo. 1639 01:08:51,085 --> 01:08:53,371 [russ]i'm developing a company and expanding a company, 1640 01:08:53,671 --> 01:08:56,959 he's managing the money, and it was a surprise to me 1641 01:08:57,258 --> 01:08:58,748 that i couldn't use all that money 1642 01:08:59,052 --> 01:09:00,417 to open new stores. 1643 01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,585 [mike solomon]dee was put on a mission to go out 1644 01:09:02,889 --> 01:09:06,598 and get money by tower selling bonds. 1645 01:09:06,893 --> 01:09:10,101 well, it made it easier for tower 1646 01:09:10,396 --> 01:09:12,478 to borrow more money. 1647 01:09:12,774 --> 01:09:14,389 things became much more tense. 1648 01:09:14,692 --> 01:09:16,228 we had pressure from creditors, 1649 01:09:16,527 --> 01:09:18,734 from bond holders, from banks, 1650 01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:21,567 and there was pressure in the business in general. 1651 01:09:21,866 --> 01:09:24,198 a perfect storm of events was developing 1652 01:09:24,494 --> 01:09:27,076 in the music industry as a whole. 1653 01:09:27,372 --> 01:09:30,034 [jim urie]we'd gone from vinyl singles, to cassette singles, 1654 01:09:30,333 --> 01:09:32,745 to cd singles, but we cut that out 1655 01:09:33,044 --> 01:09:35,126 because we felt like, rightfully so, 1656 01:09:35,421 --> 01:09:36,456 why were we letting people buy 1657 01:09:36,756 --> 01:09:38,041 the best song off an album, 1658 01:09:38,341 --> 01:09:40,582 let's just not make that available, 1659 01:09:40,885 --> 01:09:42,091 and they'll have to buy the album. 1660 01:09:42,387 --> 01:09:43,752 and at that day and time, it was true. 1661 01:09:44,055 --> 01:09:46,046 an eventually, i think people were kind of 1662 01:09:46,349 --> 01:09:47,589 crying foul about that, 1663 01:09:47,892 --> 01:09:50,508 like okay, i like a couple of britney spears songs, 1664 01:09:50,812 --> 01:09:53,394 but do i really want to buy her whole record for $18? 1665 01:09:53,690 --> 01:09:55,055 you know, it was the peak of that. 1666 01:09:55,358 --> 01:09:57,269 [russ]there was no need for a whole generation 1667 01:09:57,568 --> 01:09:58,808 of kids to even go in a record store 1668 01:09:59,112 --> 01:10:00,602 to get their music. 1669 01:10:00,905 --> 01:10:02,486 if you haven't got kids coming into record stores 1670 01:10:02,782 --> 01:10:05,148 to buy records, heh, you've lost a lot. 1671 01:10:05,451 --> 01:10:08,158 [jim urie]but then a whole bunch of other things started to happen. 1672 01:10:08,454 --> 01:10:10,740 you had all these mass merchants 1673 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:12,325 getting into the music business. 1674 01:10:12,625 --> 01:10:15,207 and there were horrible, horrible price wars. 1675 01:10:15,503 --> 01:10:17,835 everybody and their brother started selling cds. 1676 01:10:18,131 --> 01:10:20,463 you know target, wal-mart, all these companies. 1677 01:10:20,758 --> 01:10:22,339 and they would sell 'em at cost. 1678 01:10:22,635 --> 01:10:26,219 what that took away from us was the traffic created by the hits. 1679 01:10:26,514 --> 01:10:28,470 if you had a tower records in some market, 1680 01:10:28,766 --> 01:10:30,506 and a best buy moved across the street, 1681 01:10:30,810 --> 01:10:32,471 the music consumer would go, "hey, here's the tower 1682 01:10:32,770 --> 01:10:34,556 on my right where i can buy the cd for 20 bucks, 1683 01:10:34,856 --> 01:10:36,312 and here's the best buy on the left 1684 01:10:36,607 --> 01:10:37,892 where i could buy the cd for 10 bucks." 1685 01:10:38,192 --> 01:10:40,353 even before napster, that was a big problem. 1686 01:10:40,653 --> 01:10:44,817 the industry as a whole didn't respond appropriately 1687 01:10:45,116 --> 01:10:46,572 to what was happening. 1688 01:10:46,868 --> 01:10:49,325 what they should have done was make the records cheaper. 1689 01:10:49,620 --> 01:10:51,702 they could have, but they didn't. 1690 01:10:51,998 --> 01:10:54,284 and i remember vividly the very first story on, 1691 01:10:54,584 --> 01:10:57,075 "what is an mp3?", you know, that we ever did. 1692 01:10:57,378 --> 01:10:58,959 i wasn't depressed the first time i saw napster. 1693 01:10:59,255 --> 01:11:00,916 actually, i remember it very clearly, 1694 01:11:01,215 --> 01:11:04,423 and i went on and there were 800,000 people on it. 1695 01:11:04,719 --> 01:11:05,959 and i thought, "wow, 1696 01:11:06,262 --> 01:11:08,002 this is unbelievable. this is fantastic." 1697 01:11:08,306 --> 01:11:11,173 i wasn't thinking that those 800,000 people 1698 01:11:11,476 --> 01:11:12,340 were stealing from me, heh. 1699 01:11:12,643 --> 01:11:14,224 it was the most amazing 1700 01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:16,476 piece of software in history. 1701 01:11:16,773 --> 01:11:18,434 there was community in it. 1702 01:11:18,733 --> 01:11:21,065 you could look at each others lists, playlists. 1703 01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:22,600 it was just a natural. 1704 01:11:22,904 --> 01:11:24,986 [steve nikkel] mike farrace literally had 1705 01:11:25,281 --> 01:11:27,567 the first record store online. 1706 01:11:27,867 --> 01:11:29,653 but we didn't know what to do with it. 1707 01:11:29,952 --> 01:11:32,113 in fact, our store was on aol. 1708 01:11:33,581 --> 01:11:34,946 talk about lame. 1709 01:11:35,249 --> 01:11:36,910 developing that into retail 1710 01:11:37,210 --> 01:11:39,826 wasn't really something that was on my radar. 1711 01:11:40,129 --> 01:11:41,915 but when you realized how easy it was 1712 01:11:42,215 --> 01:11:45,173 for people to share files and just literally 1713 01:11:45,468 --> 01:11:48,210 take music for free, that's a problem. 1714 01:11:48,513 --> 01:11:50,094 how do you compete with that? 1715 01:11:50,389 --> 01:11:53,847 if you could get coca-cola for free from your faucet, 1716 01:11:54,143 --> 01:11:55,679 you wouldn't buy a bottle of coca-cola. 1717 01:11:55,978 --> 01:11:57,969 on one hand, you go, okay, well what's the big deal? 1718 01:11:58,272 --> 01:11:59,557 singles are cheap, 1719 01:11:59,857 --> 01:12:01,017 we don't really need that much money anyway. 1720 01:12:01,317 --> 01:12:03,057 on the other hand, when napster came out 1721 01:12:03,361 --> 01:12:06,524 the big issue was, "how do you compete with free?" 1722 01:12:06,823 --> 01:12:08,188 on one hand, you have all these people 1723 01:12:08,491 --> 01:12:09,571 who are stealing music for free, 1724 01:12:09,867 --> 01:12:12,950 on the other hand, we have this $18 cd, 1725 01:12:13,246 --> 01:12:16,738 which is our main product. not really a balance. 1726 01:12:17,041 --> 01:12:19,748 but if you have a single, if you have a 99-cent single, 1727 01:12:20,044 --> 01:12:21,284 or a cheap way of, an alternative way 1728 01:12:21,587 --> 01:12:23,418 of selling music, that's a little easier 1729 01:12:23,714 --> 01:12:25,170 to compete with free. 1730 01:12:25,466 --> 01:12:27,502 and we of course saw that later because itunes kicked in, 1731 01:12:27,802 --> 01:12:29,588 and songs cost 99 cents and it did very well. 1732 01:12:29,887 --> 01:12:32,344 they think music is available on the computer, 1733 01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:33,846 go google it, 1734 01:12:34,141 --> 01:12:35,677 and they think they can just get it for free. 1735 01:12:35,977 --> 01:12:38,059 and that was something that was discussed 1736 01:12:38,354 --> 01:12:40,140 at nauseam with russ and tower. 1737 01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:42,225 he believed that there would always be people 1738 01:12:42,525 --> 01:12:44,561 wanting to buy records to have a collection, 1739 01:12:44,861 --> 01:12:46,897 a library, if you will, of product. 1740 01:12:47,196 --> 01:12:49,312 those people died off and went away, 1741 01:12:49,615 --> 01:12:51,276 and the generation that followed 1742 01:12:51,576 --> 01:12:55,910 believes that having an ipad, that's your music collection. 1743 01:12:56,205 --> 01:12:58,366 that's what it is today, and that's the truth. 1744 01:12:58,666 --> 01:13:01,578 there's no records. go buy a record, are you nuts? 1745 01:13:01,878 --> 01:13:04,290 and so that kind of started leaving 1746 01:13:04,589 --> 01:13:06,250 the terrestrial retailers behind 1747 01:13:06,549 --> 01:13:07,584 because that kind of stuff, 1748 01:13:07,884 --> 01:13:10,000 it's just too easy, too convenient. 1749 01:13:10,303 --> 01:13:12,009 i mean i still enjoy going in to a record store, 1750 01:13:12,305 --> 01:13:13,920 but i can't tell you the last time i did. 1751 01:13:14,223 --> 01:13:17,306 did the industry push people a little bit 1752 01:13:17,602 --> 01:13:21,140 to piracy by forcing them to buy albums 1753 01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:22,724 when they only wanted a song? 1754 01:13:23,024 --> 01:13:24,639 i can't say that that is true or not true 1755 01:13:24,942 --> 01:13:26,978 but you could certainly make that argument. 1756 01:13:27,278 --> 01:13:30,111 and so what became apparent was the music industry is changing 1757 01:13:30,406 --> 01:13:33,398 and we are not able to adjust to that change. 1758 01:13:33,701 --> 01:13:36,568 you could couch that as we're not adjusting to that change, 1759 01:13:36,871 --> 01:13:39,362 or we don't know how to adjust to that change, 1760 01:13:39,665 --> 01:13:42,156 but i think you're doing all of those things at once. 1761 01:13:42,460 --> 01:13:44,826 right when... 1762 01:13:45,129 --> 01:13:46,369 we probably could have changed, 1763 01:13:46,672 --> 01:13:48,708 in my mind, it was out of my control. 1764 01:13:50,426 --> 01:13:53,509 but my getting sick didn't help matters any. 1765 01:13:53,804 --> 01:13:55,465 in 1998, a couple of things happened. 1766 01:13:55,765 --> 01:13:58,882 one, my father had 1767 01:13:59,185 --> 01:14:02,222 an eight�way bypass heart operation, 1768 01:14:02,521 --> 01:14:05,684 and he was out of the picture most of that year. 1769 01:14:05,983 --> 01:14:08,190 i was appointed ceo. 1770 01:14:08,486 --> 01:14:09,942 russ was kicked up to chairman. 1771 01:14:10,237 --> 01:14:12,819 stanley, chris hopson, dee searson and i 1772 01:14:13,115 --> 01:14:14,696 were equals, then all of a sudden, 1773 01:14:14,992 --> 01:14:16,323 i'm kicked up to ceo. 1774 01:14:16,619 --> 01:14:19,702 that created some strain and difficulty. 1775 01:14:19,997 --> 01:14:22,830 i knew michael somewhat. i didn't like it. 1776 01:14:23,125 --> 01:14:25,457 he didn't come up from-- you know, the one thing 1777 01:14:25,753 --> 01:14:27,584 that historically that was about tower records, 1778 01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:31,247 is we all started and came up, and learned it 1779 01:14:31,550 --> 01:14:32,790 by living it, and doing it. 1780 01:14:33,094 --> 01:14:34,459 and that was pretty much the case 1781 01:14:34,762 --> 01:14:38,596 working for tower before i went to law school. 1782 01:14:38,891 --> 01:14:41,473 when i came back to tower in 1988, 1783 01:14:41,769 --> 01:14:46,229 i came in as a senior vice president and legal counsel, 1784 01:14:46,524 --> 01:14:48,936 and i was immediately tagged 1785 01:14:49,235 --> 01:14:51,066 as the boss' son. 1786 01:14:51,362 --> 01:14:54,399 there were people who wanted to sabotage me. 1787 01:14:54,699 --> 01:14:57,441 [russ] and mike was good, but the truth of it is, 1788 01:14:57,743 --> 01:14:59,654 he wasn't me, in the same sense of 1789 01:14:59,954 --> 01:15:03,287 being able to run what we wanted to run. 1790 01:15:03,582 --> 01:15:05,118 russell had a persona about him 1791 01:15:05,418 --> 01:15:08,205 that people embrace, michael didn't. 1792 01:15:08,504 --> 01:15:10,210 it was a challenge to... 1793 01:15:11,757 --> 01:15:14,499 ...get the trust and cooperation 1794 01:15:14,802 --> 01:15:17,088 of my executive colleagues. 1795 01:15:17,388 --> 01:15:20,380 another thing started happening around 2000. 1796 01:15:20,683 --> 01:15:22,594 sales were flattening. 1797 01:15:22,893 --> 01:15:26,226 we had had growth from 1960 to 2000. 1798 01:15:26,522 --> 01:15:28,604 there was never a year that there was 1799 01:15:28,899 --> 01:15:30,480 no steady growth in sales. 1800 01:15:30,776 --> 01:15:32,482 this became problematic, 1801 01:15:32,778 --> 01:15:36,566 having a large debt and a large interest payment, 1802 01:15:36,866 --> 01:15:40,484 and that's sort of where tower started going down. 1803 01:15:40,786 --> 01:15:43,619 [stan]everything you've touched worked, 1804 01:15:43,914 --> 01:15:45,575 and then it stops. 1805 01:15:45,875 --> 01:15:47,456 it was just dumb. 1806 01:15:47,752 --> 01:15:49,538 the business plan didn't work. 1807 01:15:49,837 --> 01:15:51,418 there was no population to support it. 1808 01:15:51,714 --> 01:15:52,874 it's that simple. 1809 01:15:53,174 --> 01:15:55,130 you've borrowed all this damn money, 1810 01:15:55,426 --> 01:15:57,337 and all of a sudden, you become aware 1811 01:15:57,636 --> 01:15:58,876 that you've gone too far. 1812 01:15:59,180 --> 01:16:00,886 everything's working well in japan, 1813 01:16:01,182 --> 01:16:02,422 but because you've lost money 1814 01:16:02,725 --> 01:16:04,135 in all these other places, 1815 01:16:04,435 --> 01:16:06,517 and the bank is forcing you to do something, 1816 01:16:06,812 --> 01:16:08,598 the bank is forcing you to sell japan. 1817 01:16:08,898 --> 01:16:11,105 japan was making all kinds of money. 1818 01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,436 i mean, selling japan was a terrible loss. 1819 01:16:18,574 --> 01:16:20,064 [steve] they expanded too much. 1820 01:16:20,367 --> 01:16:23,530 that hurt them whether there had been a napster or not. 1821 01:16:23,829 --> 01:16:25,319 the fact that there was a napster later 1822 01:16:25,623 --> 01:16:26,578 sort of was the death blow. 1823 01:16:26,874 --> 01:16:28,580 [phone ringing] 1824 01:16:28,876 --> 01:16:30,662 well, here's russ now. 1825 01:16:30,961 --> 01:16:31,871 i'm being interviewed. 1826 01:16:33,714 --> 01:16:35,124 [russ]bud martin. 1827 01:16:35,424 --> 01:16:38,040 if bud had not gotten sick and died on me, 1828 01:16:38,344 --> 01:16:40,460 for crying out loud, and i'd have listened to him, 1829 01:16:40,763 --> 01:16:42,003 i wouldn't have been in the problems 1830 01:16:42,306 --> 01:16:44,171 that i had later on, i'll tell ya. 1831 01:16:46,227 --> 01:16:48,934 [rudy]people appreciated what bud did eventually. 1832 01:16:49,230 --> 01:16:52,017 bud was a cool guy, and i know when a few drinks, 1833 01:16:52,316 --> 01:16:54,932 the old story about him swinging on chandeliers 1834 01:16:55,236 --> 01:16:58,194 at the red lion, putting lampshades on his head 1835 01:16:58,489 --> 01:17:01,276 running around, but they felt like he was the rock 1836 01:17:01,575 --> 01:17:02,860 of the company also. 1837 01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:05,526 he was the guy that took care of business. 1838 01:17:05,830 --> 01:17:07,411 [russ]he got older and sicker is all. 1839 01:17:07,706 --> 01:17:10,539 he had an illness, which he had for a long time. 1840 01:17:14,505 --> 01:17:17,963 [mike]he had not really told anybody by the early '9os, 1841 01:17:18,259 --> 01:17:22,002 but he was suffering from a debilitating illness, 1842 01:17:22,304 --> 01:17:25,671 leukemia, which, unbeknownst to most of us, 1843 01:17:25,975 --> 01:17:29,467 he had had for... maybe 15 years. 1844 01:17:29,770 --> 01:17:30,976 he had a good life. 1845 01:17:31,272 --> 01:17:33,308 it was sad at the end when it ended. 1846 01:17:33,607 --> 01:17:35,848 he didn't have much at all to speak of. 1847 01:17:38,279 --> 01:17:40,565 [mike]it was only a couple of years later 1848 01:17:40,865 --> 01:17:42,480 that he passed away. 1849 01:17:47,496 --> 01:17:49,532 [heidi] anyway, i have a couple things i want to say about bud. 1850 01:17:49,832 --> 01:17:52,198 i may not get this out right, excuse me. 1851 01:17:54,962 --> 01:17:56,827 i wasn't going to do this. 1852 01:17:57,131 --> 01:17:59,747 he really taught all of us, us young kids 1853 01:18:00,050 --> 01:18:01,256 who are now vice presidents 1854 01:18:01,552 --> 01:18:02,962 to take a look 1855 01:18:03,262 --> 01:18:05,674 at what we were doing with our lives 1856 01:18:05,973 --> 01:18:08,715 as far as our morality was concerned. 1857 01:18:09,018 --> 01:18:11,384 he was a wonderful teacher to us. 1858 01:18:11,687 --> 01:18:13,018 he was an incredible sexist pig, 1859 01:18:13,314 --> 01:18:15,396 but at the same time he was entirely fair. 1860 01:18:15,691 --> 01:18:17,898 so after that, i only have one thing more to say. 1861 01:18:18,194 --> 01:18:19,730 if i can get this out. 1862 01:18:20,029 --> 01:18:21,690 [sniffles] sorry. 1863 01:18:21,989 --> 01:18:24,571 okay. bud, baby, 1864 01:18:24,867 --> 01:18:26,698 this one's for you. 1865 01:18:26,994 --> 01:18:28,359 [russ]bud martin. 1866 01:18:28,662 --> 01:18:31,870 bud, of all people, was making things possible to do. 1867 01:18:33,751 --> 01:18:36,117 you know, after all of those 26 years, 1868 01:18:36,420 --> 01:18:39,082 probably the last three years were spent 1869 01:18:39,381 --> 01:18:42,498 feeling that the whole idea of tower records 1870 01:18:42,801 --> 01:18:44,666 was not going to be around much longer. 1871 01:18:44,970 --> 01:18:47,928 at the end, for me, it was just a matter of when. 1872 01:18:48,224 --> 01:18:49,430 when the banks came in, 1873 01:18:49,725 --> 01:18:50,714 we knew that things were going to change. 1874 01:18:51,018 --> 01:18:53,054 it was, it was... 1875 01:18:55,022 --> 01:18:56,307 my father... 1876 01:18:59,109 --> 01:19:01,270 when the banks started putting pressure 1877 01:19:01,570 --> 01:19:04,186 on the company and insisting that we hire 1878 01:19:04,490 --> 01:19:07,653 a restructuring officer to run the company, 1879 01:19:07,952 --> 01:19:09,283 my father 1880 01:19:09,578 --> 01:19:11,068 became very upset. 1881 01:19:12,831 --> 01:19:15,538 [russ] the bank broke me that news. 1882 01:19:15,834 --> 01:19:17,825 and i said, "i don't think it's a good idea. " 1883 01:19:18,128 --> 01:19:19,789 they said, "well this is your choice, 1884 01:19:20,089 --> 01:19:21,124 "you either bring in new management 1885 01:19:21,423 --> 01:19:23,254 or we don't loan you the money." 1886 01:19:23,550 --> 01:19:25,211 so i say, "okay, we need the money. 1887 01:19:25,511 --> 01:19:28,173 we have to have the money, or we can't operate at all, 1888 01:19:28,472 --> 01:19:32,056 so okay, we'll try to bring in new management." 1889 01:19:32,351 --> 01:19:34,808 mike goes down to hire this woman, 1890 01:19:35,104 --> 01:19:37,095 betsy burton, he wants to hire her. 1891 01:19:37,398 --> 01:19:39,764 [bob delanoy]these new bodies were in. i think it was betsy, 1892 01:19:40,067 --> 01:19:41,307 i didn't even know 1893 01:19:41,610 --> 01:19:42,816 what was going on in the company at the time. 1894 01:19:43,112 --> 01:19:45,103 her idea was to spend all this 1895 01:19:45,406 --> 01:19:48,864 marketing money on branding, and you're just going, 1896 01:19:49,159 --> 01:19:51,115 "why are you going to spend this money on branding? 1897 01:19:51,412 --> 01:19:52,777 we're already established as a brand. 1898 01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:55,036 what you need is retail ads. 1899 01:19:55,332 --> 01:19:57,664 you need ads that are going to move product. 1900 01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:59,916 you need to move product. that's the bottom line." 1901 01:20:00,212 --> 01:20:03,124 and then she closed down pulse magazine. 1902 01:20:03,424 --> 01:20:07,212 [mike]losing pulse, firing 30 or 40 employees, 1903 01:20:07,511 --> 01:20:08,876 was heartbreaking. 1904 01:20:09,179 --> 01:20:12,888 if i ever came close to wanting to kill somebody, 1905 01:20:13,183 --> 01:20:15,595 with my hands, it was her. 1906 01:20:15,894 --> 01:20:17,930 [mike]we closed our print shop, i believe, 1907 01:20:18,230 --> 01:20:20,892 and to lose 30 employees. 1908 01:20:21,191 --> 01:20:24,228 we closed our sign shop and lost 30 employees. 1909 01:20:24,528 --> 01:20:27,315 we had to make cuts every place. we had to fire people. 1910 01:20:27,614 --> 01:20:30,321 and that is where you just had the two feelings of, 1911 01:20:30,617 --> 01:20:32,983 "i'm so good, i'm not going to be gone, i hope." 1912 01:20:33,287 --> 01:20:35,323 the restructuring officers were coming in and saying, 1913 01:20:35,622 --> 01:20:36,907 " look, you gotta cut your expenses 1914 01:20:37,207 --> 01:20:38,572 because you don't have any money." 1915 01:20:38,876 --> 01:20:40,286 in a way, they were saying the same thing 1916 01:20:40,586 --> 01:20:43,328 that bud was saying for the last four decades. 1917 01:20:43,630 --> 01:20:46,417 you know, i had the one side of my mouth 1918 01:20:46,717 --> 01:20:48,753 sit with him and try to figure out 1919 01:20:49,053 --> 01:20:51,009 growing the company and how to get out of this mess, 1920 01:20:51,305 --> 01:20:53,045 and the other side of my mouth, 1921 01:20:53,349 --> 01:20:56,933 deal with th ese guys that want to just tear everything down. 1922 01:20:57,227 --> 01:20:58,842 for me, i was conflicted. 1923 01:20:59,146 --> 01:21:01,512 they don't understand the product, 1924 01:21:01,815 --> 01:21:04,898 they don't understand the people that worked for the company, 1925 01:21:05,194 --> 01:21:06,684 they don't understand the systems, 1926 01:21:06,987 --> 01:21:08,102 they don't understand anything. 1927 01:21:08,405 --> 01:21:11,522 the seeds of failure are built in to it. 1928 01:21:11,825 --> 01:21:13,110 and it can't last. 1929 01:21:13,410 --> 01:21:16,902 he basically fought the restructuring officers-- 1930 01:21:17,206 --> 01:21:18,696 there were numerous of them that came in. 1931 01:21:18,999 --> 01:21:22,787 and i remember so vividly going to the first meeting. 1932 01:21:23,087 --> 01:21:25,954 i talked to them, and i say, "well now, i'm on the board, 1933 01:21:26,256 --> 01:21:28,087 "and i've still got the officially 1934 01:21:28,384 --> 01:21:29,965 "the chairman of the company. 1935 01:21:30,260 --> 01:21:33,002 i mean, that's a chairman without portfolio," 1936 01:21:33,305 --> 01:21:34,795 i said, "what do you want me to do? 1937 01:21:35,099 --> 01:21:36,555 "who's going to be the visionary? 1938 01:21:36,850 --> 01:21:39,091 "who's going to think about what we should be doing 1939 01:21:39,395 --> 01:21:40,805 in this industry in the future?" 1940 01:21:41,105 --> 01:21:43,847 and this idiot woman says to me, 1941 01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:45,389 "we don't need a visionary." 1942 01:21:46,985 --> 01:21:48,976 i can't control anything anymore. 1943 01:21:49,279 --> 01:21:51,691 so what was i to do? just shake my head and walk off. 1944 01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:53,150 betsy had interviewed the group, 1945 01:21:53,450 --> 01:21:56,738 and if i remember, most of us individually 1946 01:21:57,037 --> 01:22:00,120 who were in senior management, so we knew what was going on. 1947 01:22:00,416 --> 01:22:05,581 and mike solomon was promoted to president, 1948 01:22:05,879 --> 01:22:09,997 and he had to do what th ese bank guys wanted to do, 1949 01:22:10,300 --> 01:22:12,131 and so everything just kind of had stopped. 1950 01:22:12,428 --> 01:22:13,964 somebody who was an outsider 1951 01:22:14,263 --> 01:22:16,345 was taking it away from us. 1952 01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:19,097 i was caught in the middle, really. 1953 01:22:19,393 --> 01:22:20,883 we needed to be profitable, basically, 1954 01:22:21,186 --> 01:22:24,053 and we needed to pay our debt. but to do that, 1955 01:22:24,356 --> 01:22:27,519 we basically had to cut the heart out of the company. 1956 01:22:27,818 --> 01:22:32,437 [stan]in 2004, they got rid of me and dee 1957 01:22:32,739 --> 01:22:33,979 and mark viducich, 1958 01:22:34,283 --> 01:22:36,023 i guess they decided, i think then, 1959 01:22:36,326 --> 01:22:37,065 to liquidate the company. 1960 01:22:37,369 --> 01:22:38,484 they didn't say it, 1961 01:22:38,787 --> 01:22:41,654 and it took 'em a few years to do it, 1962 01:22:41,957 --> 01:22:43,413 but they were no longer 1963 01:22:43,709 --> 01:22:45,324 interested in trying to either grow the company 1964 01:22:45,627 --> 01:22:47,834 or save the company, in my opinion. 1965 01:22:48,130 --> 01:22:51,213 they told us, and instructed us 1966 01:22:51,508 --> 01:22:55,296 what we had to do to cut costs, save money, 1967 01:22:55,596 --> 01:22:59,054 increase profits if we could, or at least decrease losses, 1968 01:22:59,349 --> 01:23:00,680 so if we can fire someone making 1969 01:23:00,976 --> 01:23:03,934 200,000, we can hire someone making 100,000. 1970 01:23:04,229 --> 01:23:05,344 i was in mike solomon's office 1971 01:23:05,647 --> 01:23:09,890 with he and a lady we call betty boop, 1972 01:23:10,194 --> 01:23:11,525 and you know why you're there. 1973 01:23:11,820 --> 01:23:13,651 it's not a secret, i told him and betty, 1974 01:23:13,947 --> 01:23:16,029 "you guys are the ones that shouldn't be here. 1975 01:23:16,325 --> 01:23:18,407 you guys are the people that should be fired, not me." 1976 01:23:18,702 --> 01:23:21,318 firing people that you had hired 30 years ago. 1977 01:23:21,622 --> 01:23:24,739 people that you know, were started as clerks 1978 01:23:25,042 --> 01:23:28,830 that were now regional managers or vps or whatever. 1979 01:23:29,129 --> 01:23:31,916 it's just, you know, awful. 1980 01:23:32,216 --> 01:23:33,956 stanley and i were up at lake tahoe. 1981 01:23:34,259 --> 01:23:38,093 we're having a drink after doing some gambling at the bar, 1982 01:23:38,388 --> 01:23:42,506 and out of the blue, he says, "oh bob, by the way, 1983 01:23:42,809 --> 01:23:44,219 we're restructuring the company." 1984 01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:45,851 "we need to structure the company 1985 01:23:46,146 --> 01:23:48,057 because of growth or whatever," 1986 01:23:48,357 --> 01:23:50,939 and i was just like, stunned. 1987 01:23:51,235 --> 01:23:54,693 because, i mean, this little private setting. 1988 01:23:54,988 --> 01:23:58,105 so, i mean, i was hammering down some scotches at that point. 1989 01:23:58,408 --> 01:24:00,023 the day heidi fired me, you know, 1990 01:24:00,327 --> 01:24:02,033 she called me in one day and she says, 1991 01:24:02,329 --> 01:24:03,944 "rudy, this is hard for me to say, 1992 01:24:04,248 --> 01:24:07,536 but i want a divorce." 1993 01:24:07,834 --> 01:24:10,450 it was really hard, and i knew it was hard for her 1994 01:24:10,754 --> 01:24:13,962 as it was for me, you know, and so, 1995 01:24:14,258 --> 01:24:16,089 i went to russ, he said, "now what the fuck 1996 01:24:16,385 --> 01:24:18,046 are we going to do with you?" like that. 1997 01:24:18,345 --> 01:24:20,427 he never fired anybody in his life. 1998 01:24:20,722 --> 01:24:23,054 let alone his whole executive committee for christ sakes. 1999 01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:25,966 � it's not who he was. - he took me out for lunch. 2000 01:24:26,270 --> 01:24:27,510 actually called me and he said, "want to go to lunch?" 2001 01:24:27,813 --> 01:24:30,646 and i thought, "this is not boding well. 2002 01:24:30,941 --> 01:24:32,351 "russ doesn't call you and ask you to lunch. 2003 01:24:32,651 --> 01:24:34,437 this is not..." you know. and he was in tears. 2004 01:24:34,736 --> 01:24:37,648 i mean, it was as hard for him as it was for me. 2005 01:24:37,948 --> 01:24:39,563 it was probably harder, i felt worse for him. 2006 01:24:39,866 --> 01:24:42,983 russ and i are cousins, and mike solomon, 2007 01:24:43,287 --> 01:24:47,200 who was also the ceo at one time, and i are cousins, 2008 01:24:47,499 --> 01:24:50,832 and to see family members just thrown aside too 2009 01:24:51,128 --> 01:24:55,792 was harder than just losing a 30-year career. 2010 01:24:56,091 --> 01:24:59,504 and at the end of 30 years, i got a watch. 2011 01:24:59,803 --> 01:25:02,715 just shortly after i left the company. 2012 01:25:03,015 --> 01:25:05,006 in fact, i'm wearing it right now, today. 2013 01:25:06,935 --> 01:25:08,220 and it says, 2014 01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:11,353 " bob, thank you, we love you, tower records." 2015 01:25:16,445 --> 01:25:18,276 and uh, it was mutual. 2016 01:25:24,369 --> 01:25:26,985 [ken]! wish probably that i could say there was more 2017 01:25:27,289 --> 01:25:29,826 survivor's guilt, but, um, 2018 01:25:31,335 --> 01:25:33,951 there was a lot of relief too. 2019 01:25:34,254 --> 01:25:37,963 [interviewer]and then as more layoffs happened...? 2020 01:25:39,176 --> 01:25:40,507 no? 2021 01:25:48,185 --> 01:25:50,801 [mike solomon]cutting the essential parts of tower 2022 01:25:51,104 --> 01:25:54,267 that made it so successful was heart wrenching. 2023 01:25:54,566 --> 01:25:55,772 that was the heart of the company. 2024 01:25:56,068 --> 01:25:57,604 i mean, the company wasn't going to run 2025 01:25:57,903 --> 01:26:00,394 without this team. 2026 01:26:00,697 --> 01:26:02,688 and sure enough it didn't. 2027 01:26:02,991 --> 01:26:05,073 [male reporter 1]tonight, the founder of tower records 2028 01:26:05,369 --> 01:26:07,530 is closing his last retail record store. 2029 01:26:07,829 --> 01:26:09,740 [female reporter]it's the end of the line for an icon 2030 01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:11,246 that put sacramento on the map. 2031 01:26:11,541 --> 01:26:12,906 [male reporter 2] one of several chains 2032 01:26:13,210 --> 01:26:14,996 closing its doors nationwide. 2033 01:26:15,295 --> 01:26:17,251 [melancholy piano music playing] 2034 01:26:22,302 --> 01:26:24,588 [russ]! was in new york at fourth and broadway, 2035 01:26:24,888 --> 01:26:27,174 and we had an apartment in the same building 2036 01:26:27,474 --> 01:26:31,012 and i was staying there, looking at the store 2037 01:26:31,311 --> 01:26:32,847 when it closed that night. 2038 01:26:33,146 --> 01:26:35,262 stood across the street and watched, yeah. 2039 01:26:37,025 --> 01:26:39,482 what are you going to do? it's over. 2040 01:26:39,778 --> 01:26:41,314 they all shut down at once, and a bunch of people 2041 01:26:41,613 --> 01:26:44,025 lost their job at the end. 2042 01:26:44,324 --> 01:26:46,485 it was one of the greatest tragedies of my life, 2043 01:26:46,785 --> 01:26:48,150 to be honest with you, when it closed down. 2044 01:26:48,453 --> 01:26:50,660 it really, really upset me. 2045 01:26:50,956 --> 01:26:53,447 and i missed it, i missed that routine of going 2046 01:26:53,750 --> 01:26:56,662 to buy my records or my cds or whatever. 2047 01:26:56,962 --> 01:26:59,123 [ken]it really was this organization, 2048 01:26:59,423 --> 01:27:03,257 this camaraderie, this group that coalesced around russ 2049 01:27:03,552 --> 01:27:05,508 and was able to feed off 2050 01:27:05,804 --> 01:27:08,511 and build on russ' vision. 2051 01:27:13,729 --> 01:27:17,392 in the early '708, i took a job at tower broadway 2052 01:27:17,691 --> 01:27:19,602 here in sacramento, at 16th and broadway, 2053 01:27:19,901 --> 01:27:21,391 and in 1992, 2054 01:27:21,695 --> 01:27:25,483 i actually ended up here at watt avenue as the manager. 2055 01:27:25,782 --> 01:27:27,272 we have a marquee out on the front of our store 2056 01:27:27,576 --> 01:27:29,737 that we just advertise what's going on 2057 01:27:30,036 --> 01:27:31,572 in the store and what's happening. 2058 01:27:31,872 --> 01:27:33,282 when we got the word 2059 01:27:33,582 --> 01:27:35,664 that the liquidators had won the auction 2060 01:27:35,959 --> 01:27:38,245 and it was imminent that it was going to be the end, 2061 01:27:38,545 --> 01:27:40,501 we wanted to put something up on the marquee. 2062 01:27:40,797 --> 01:27:43,379 one of my employees, dale, came up with: 2063 01:27:43,675 --> 01:27:47,463 all things must pass. thanks, sacramento. 2064 01:27:47,763 --> 01:27:50,971 i went home, and the next day i came in to work, 2065 01:27:51,266 --> 01:27:52,551 they had taken a huge banner 2066 01:27:52,851 --> 01:27:54,967 that was like 100-feet long it seemed like, 2067 01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:56,885 that said basically going out of business. 2068 01:27:57,189 --> 01:27:58,895 and they put that banner up across 2069 01:27:59,191 --> 01:28:01,102 the whole top of the exterior of the building, 2070 01:28:01,401 --> 01:28:03,733 covered up our sign that said "all things must pass", 2071 01:28:04,029 --> 01:28:05,565 and you know, it was pretty deflating. 2072 01:28:05,864 --> 01:28:08,196 it was like, you know reality slaps you right in the face. 2073 01:28:08,492 --> 01:28:10,153 when they were finally gone, they took down the sign, 2074 01:28:10,452 --> 01:28:13,034 and exposed our message one more time. 2075 01:28:18,668 --> 01:28:19,874 it's really sad. 2076 01:28:21,421 --> 01:28:23,377 the skeleton is still here. 2077 01:28:23,673 --> 01:28:27,882 and the parts are still here, even though they're not working. 2078 01:28:32,057 --> 01:28:34,389 and it was filled with records. 2079 01:28:34,684 --> 01:28:36,174 and the music was playing. 2080 01:28:36,478 --> 01:28:39,390 and the people were running around and shopping. 2081 01:28:39,689 --> 01:28:42,522 but then again, that's the past. 2082 01:28:44,486 --> 01:28:47,023 there's no way you can change that. 2083 01:28:47,322 --> 01:28:49,438 let's think about what to do in the future. 2084 01:28:51,535 --> 01:28:55,244 [upbeat orchestral music playing] 2085 01:29:06,591 --> 01:29:09,333 i sunrise doesn't last i 2086 01:29:09,636 --> 01:29:12,127 i all morning... i 2087 01:29:12,430 --> 01:29:16,093 [dave grohl]driving though shibuya or shinjuku or herajuku 2088 01:29:16,393 --> 01:29:19,430 or wherever it was, and i see the tower records 2089 01:29:19,729 --> 01:29:22,015 fucking logo on a building. 2090 01:29:22,315 --> 01:29:23,555 i was like... [gasps] 2091 01:29:23,859 --> 01:29:26,601 you guys have tower records? hell, yeah. 2092 01:29:31,116 --> 01:29:35,450 i it's not always going to be... i 2093 01:29:35,745 --> 01:29:37,701 [dave grohl]so we went in. 2094 01:29:37,998 --> 01:29:39,829 it was fucking tower records, man. 2095 01:29:40,125 --> 01:29:43,242 every floor i went to, there was another different cd, 2096 01:29:43,545 --> 01:29:45,160 and there's displays everywhere, 2097 01:29:45,463 --> 01:29:46,623 and there's people shopping and buying music. 2098 01:29:46,923 --> 01:29:48,163 listening on listening stations, 2099 01:29:48,466 --> 01:29:50,582 and you know, it was amazing. 2100 01:29:58,184 --> 01:30:00,049 [russ]to see japan flourish like it does, 2101 01:30:00,353 --> 01:30:03,015 i'm really proud of them. i really am. 2102 01:30:03,315 --> 01:30:04,930 i'm as happy as can be. 2103 01:30:05,233 --> 01:30:07,224 because it just proves that it can be done. 2104 01:30:07,527 --> 01:30:10,860 'cause they're doing the same thing we did all along. 2105 01:30:17,537 --> 01:30:19,528 [woman] tower was russ' baby. 2106 01:30:19,831 --> 01:30:24,450 he built it, he nurtured it, he expanded it. 2107 01:30:24,753 --> 01:30:26,539 it's very special, it's very unique. 2108 01:30:28,423 --> 01:30:31,210 the feeling that they all have for russ, 2109 01:30:31,509 --> 01:30:33,170 for tower, for each other. 2110 01:30:33,470 --> 01:30:34,585 people went to music stores, 2111 01:30:34,888 --> 01:30:36,799 they listened to music, it was an experience 2112 01:30:37,098 --> 01:30:38,679 going in to a store and browsing 2113 01:30:38,975 --> 01:30:41,307 through tens of thousands of records. 2114 01:30:41,603 --> 01:30:43,889 it was here, we were part of it, 2115 01:30:44,189 --> 01:30:46,521 we all fell in love, and then it went away. 2116 01:30:46,816 --> 01:30:48,807 having a job doesn't have to be tedious, 2117 01:30:49,110 --> 01:30:51,271 it doesn't have to be boring, it doesn't have to be a place 2118 01:30:51,571 --> 01:30:53,732 that you hate to go every day. 2119 01:30:54,032 --> 01:30:57,741 it certainly wasn't for me, and probably everybody who worked at tower. 2120 01:30:58,036 --> 01:30:59,367 it was a family. 2121 01:30:59,663 --> 01:31:02,450 and that family ideal stuck with everybody 2122 01:31:02,749 --> 01:31:03,955 up till the end. 2123 01:31:04,250 --> 01:31:07,367 wasn't a job, it was just a way of life. 2124 01:31:16,304 --> 01:31:19,467 [ken] i think tower to me was 2125 01:31:19,766 --> 01:31:22,098 a vision of one person 2126 01:31:22,394 --> 01:31:24,806 who knew what they wanted to give to the world, 2127 01:31:25,105 --> 01:31:27,892 or offer to the world, and us spending 2128 01:31:28,191 --> 01:31:29,556 30 years both following 2129 01:31:29,859 --> 01:31:32,020 and trying to refine that vision. 2130 01:31:33,822 --> 01:31:36,359 [russ] we were part of people's lives 2131 01:31:36,658 --> 01:31:39,365 because music was part of people's lives. 2132 01:31:40,954 --> 01:31:44,538 i all things must pass i 2133 01:31:48,128 --> 01:31:52,792 i all things must pass away... i 2134 01:32:05,311 --> 01:32:07,518 [russ]it was the music that was meaningful 2135 01:32:13,611 --> 01:32:14,817 and we were how they got it. 2136 01:32:19,159 --> 01:32:20,740 what's the matter? did you run out of questions? 2137 01:32:21,036 --> 01:32:22,742 - [interviewer] no. - [laughter] 2138 01:32:23,038 --> 01:32:26,906 [rock music playing] 172475

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