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[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Lonnie Franklin lived on
81st Street in Western Avenue
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in South Central, Los Angeles,
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the poor part of town
with the worst schools,
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the worst hospitals,
and no jobs.
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Everyone knew Lonnie.
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He was a good neighbor.
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Someone to turn to for help,
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whether it was to buy
a washing machine or TV,
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borrow some money,
or buy you a meal.
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Lonnie lived in this street,
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fixed people's cars
in front of his house,
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and always had time
for a chat.
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Lonnie was so much
a part of the community
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that when the Google car
went past.
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Lonnie was found chatting
to a neighbor as he always did
by the front gate.
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[CHOPPER WHIRRING]
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Then on the July 7th, 2010,
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police raided Lonnie's house
and arrested him.
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Lonnie Franklin is charged
with ten counts of murder,
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and one case
of attempted murder.
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His murders stretch from 1985
until his arrest in 2010.
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He's also a suspect in
multiple other murders.
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It is thought
Lonnie might have killed
more than 100 women
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over a 25-year period.
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I wondered
how this was possible.
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[CHILDREN LAUGHING]
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Hi.
Hi.
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So, you saw him in the night
before he was arrested?
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Yeah, I've seen him
the night before.
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We was talking,
and he asked me
what was I doin',
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and I told him
I was gonna go clubbing.
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Well, I got in about 3:00,
woke up about 7:00,
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and the whole street
was blocked off.
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[SIRENS WAILING]
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Couldn't go nowhere,
couldn't do nothing.
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Just...
Street just closed off.
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I mean, he was a nice guy.
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Just never thought
I'd put anything
past him like that.
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Don't make no sense.
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[CHILDREN CHATTERING]
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[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
This neighborhood
of suburban houses
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with lawns
and gardens is deceptive.
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Look closer, and there are
bars on the windows.
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And the highest
homicide rate in the city.
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Most visitors coming to LA
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will fly directly over
Lonnie Franklin's house,
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which is just below
the main LAX flight path.
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Lonnie Franklin
grew up in this house.
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His parents lived here
before him,
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and his son Christopher
lives here now.
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Everyone on the street
knew Lonnie.
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These women
knew him for years.
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So you were dating Lonnie?
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Yeah. I dated him
a couple of times,
more than once.
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Oh, yeah?
Yeah.
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What was he like
to date?
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It was like...
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Well, more so,
when I dated him,
he was quiet, low-key,
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kinda acted funny though
at certain times.
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Like what?
How did he act funny?
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J... Jibbity. I mean...
Jibbity?
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Looking around, acting like
somebody looking for you.
What you done there?
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Uh-huh.
You know.
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Hey, come on, now.
That made me nervous.
I can't do that one.
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BROOMFIELD: Hi.
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I'm Donna.
Hi, Donna.
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Do I need to
state my whole name?
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I had just came
from a party
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and, uh, he pulled me
over to the side...
MAN: Peckerwood!
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And he was talking to me
and then, uh...
MAN: Goddamn peckerwood!
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[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Someone called me "Peckerwood"
from across the street.
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I thought "peckerwood"
was an endearing term,
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but later learned
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it's a white supremacist
prison gang.
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Get your ass out of
the goddamn country!
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Peckerwood.
You goddamn peckerwood!
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Get your ass out of here!
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[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
The men in the street didn't
like me talking to the women.
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It was three of Lonnie's
best friends shouting.
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Steve, Gary, and Richard,
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who wanted to stick up
for their buddy,
who they think is innocent.
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Media's exact words
when he was first arrested
for this crime
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was, "They found
the Grim Sleeper."
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MAN: Mm-hmm.
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He's been accused of it.
That's what
they want to believe.
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"We have found
the Grim Sleeper."
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That's... Even if
he has a jury trial,
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everybody is saying,
"That's him."
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"He did it."
MAN: But it
might not be him.
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BROOMFIELD: So did you
three all use to hang out
together with Lonnie?
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Occasionally. At least
once a week, we'd be
standing here all together.
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Because we're neighbors.
All together.
We'd be one group.
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All together.
At least once a week.
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I ran with Lonnie.
I ran with Lonnie.
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We'd cop in a car
and we'd go and do our thing.
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I ran with him too.
Myself too.
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I ran with him too.
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Lonnie, he's a good guy.
What do you want to know?
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Lonnie's a good guy to me.
In the eyes of his neighbors.
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And this is a close-knit block.
This is a close block.
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Very lose-knit.
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Very close.
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Everybody in this block
has been here for...
Generations.
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Forty, 35 years up here.
Generations. Yeah.
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Everybody just here now.
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Me, 46 years.
Go ahead, man.
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If you come
in this neighborhood,
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just like this, you know,
Lonnie would be with us.
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If you come
in this neighborhood,
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and then if a person
wanted to try to
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start a dope house
or something like that,
it's not happening.
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He was shutted down.
Nobody here.
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He was shutted down.
And he was right here with us.
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BROOMFIELD:
So you didn't
suspect anything.
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Never...
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Do you know what?
When they picked him up
down the street right there,
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do you know what
I thought it was?
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For stealing cars.
Bingo.
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That's what everybody
thought it was.
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Because that was
what he was known for.
Stealing cars.
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That's what got him
in the back,
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not because he was
such a convict.
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He was such a good car thief,
that's why the hell
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he's got all this stuff
upon him now.
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My opinion of that is,
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I've been knowing Lonnie
and his business a long time,
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I've never, never
seen him steal a car.
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He didn't steal cars.
Let me correct it there.
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He did not steal cars.
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He dealt in stolen cars,
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but he did not steal cars.
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I've never seen him
steal one neither.
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Okay, let me rephrase myself.
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He dealt with a shitload
of goddamn cars.
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[LAUGHS]
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He dealt with a shitload
of goddamn cars.
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It's hard for me to believe
because Lonnie,
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the way that he would
raise his kids,
his grandkids.
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Man, he had his son,
his son learned to drive
at the age of nine years old.
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You know what I mean?
Taught him how to drive well,
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how to do mechanics,
how to ride a motorcycle,
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with his grandkids.
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And for a man to have
a value of life like that,
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how can you just take lives
and Lonnie had a conscience.
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And carry on
a normal life
like he did?
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A person that does
a thing like that...
Normal life...
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It's hard to believe it.
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It's hard to believe it.
I'll go to my grave
believing that he didn't.
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[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Lonnie appeared quite relaxed,
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carrying
a Nora Roberts romance.
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JUDGE: All right. This is
the matter of the people
versus Lonnie Franklin.
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Gentlemen, take
your places, please,
from yesterday.
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Pass it to the court.
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MAN: Yes, Your Honor. We're
still engaging preparations...
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[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
The case is still
in pre-trial phase.
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Lonnie is pleading not guilty
to ten counts of murder,
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and one count of
attempted murder.
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Ten other murder cases
are pending.
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Photos of 180 missing women
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found at Lonnie's house
have also been circulated.
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BROOMFIELD: And do you think
there is a good chance of
his innocence being proved?
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Again, as far as to examine
all of the evidence
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to determine if he's
culpable of a crime or not.
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Obviously, we are going to
put on any reasonable
defense we have
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to show that he's not
responsible for these actions.
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And are you making
progress in that?
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We're looking at everything.
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BROOMFIELD:
Can I see her picture?
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This is Janecia.
This is my baby girl.
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Right here.
The love of my life.
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I don't think the pain
of losing a child
ever really goes away.
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It's like, it's just there.
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No matter what you do,
how well you're doing,
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it's just there,
sitting right there,
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like, Janecia's not here.
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So... And she has a son,
and I've got to deal
with the son's pain.
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And I have to tell him
sometimes like, I miss her
every single day too.
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We both miss her,
but we have to learn...
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We have to learn to...
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go on. And that's
what we learned.
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That you have to put
one foot in front of
the other and get up
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and keep going.
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That's the only way
we're gonna survive it.
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That's right.
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[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
This is Margaret Prescod,
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founder of Black Coalition
Fighting Back Serial Murders
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who are critical of the police
handling of the case.
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Margaret Prescod
first started leafleting
the neighborhood in 1985,
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25 years before
Lonnie was arrested.
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He's been killing women all
for now the past three years.
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I mean, just
on the Memorial Day,
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they found her daughter
in the Sixty-Eighth Street
Elementary School,
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she was the 17th victim.
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REPORTER: All of
the women were found
strangled or stabbed,
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their bodies dumped.
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In January,
a task force was formed
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to track down their slayer.
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A month later, this group,
the Black Coalition
Fighting Back Serial Murders
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was organized.
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Before the arrest was made
of Lonnie Franklin,
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we were actually out
in his neighborhood. We were
leafleting around there.
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And the interesting thing
about it is that
it was shocking
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how many people who lived
in the neighborhood knew nothing
about any serial murderer.
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They just didn't know.
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How is this possible?
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There is very few communities
outside of a black
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or brown community
in the city of Los Angeles
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that that could have happened.
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Where you have that
number of women.
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If you have
these people killed,
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and people who live
practically around the corner
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don't know anything
about it,
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that's unconscionable.
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I'm telling you, back in
the 1980s, we had a count
of 90 women.
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Only 18 of them were
on the books. What happened
to the rest of 'em?
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Are some of them
in these photos?
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Or if they are not
in these photos,
where are they?
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I think many more women
were killed, and the police
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admitted at the time,
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or the police
are admitting today.
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[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
The police have no idea
how many women were murdered.
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It could be hundreds.
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Lonnie worked here
for many years
driving a garbage truck.
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Police say many victims
could be buried in landfill.
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Did you ever know this guy
called the "Grim Sleeper"?
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I didn't know him.
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You didn't know him?
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You guys are too late.
The guys that knew him
have probably gone home.
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BROOMFIELD: We're doing
this film about
this so-called "Grim Sleeper."
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Okay.
Lonnie Franklin.
Did you ever know him?
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No, but I heard that
he used to work here.
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He used to work here.
That's what I heard.
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Yeah. Said he
used to work here,
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and I don't know
where he went after that,
235
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but he was like a loader
before they used to have
the rear loaders.
236
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Right.
And he was a loader and...
237
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[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Lonnie Franklin, if indeed
he is the Grim Sleeper,
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was called that by journalists
239
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because it was originally
thought there was a 14-year
hiatus in the killings.
240
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Now it's thought
he most likely
carried on killing,
241
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but the bodies
had never been found.
242
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PRESCOD: This was
also the period that
crack cocaine was running,
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you know, in South LA.
244
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Every time people talk to me
about South LA,
245
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and they talk to me
about the murders,
246
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I'm always very,
very concerned that
247
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the context has to be
a community that has survived,
248
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has survived against all odds.
249
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[CROWD CHEERING]
250
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People who moved... Black
people who moved from the south
coming to California,
251
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a lot of them, you know,
wound up in South LA.
252
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And that was the time that
there was some industry,
253
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auto and other industry,
254
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so people were actually
able to earn a living.
255
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I mean, they had
some kind of income.
256
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That industry, you know,
dried up at the same time
257
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the factories and the jobs
fled from South LA.
258
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So you had a whole
population of people
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newly... I mean, it was never
an affluent community,
260
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but, where are you
gonna get an income from?
261
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At the same time,
there was an epidemic
of crack cocaine
262
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coming in to
South Los Angeles.
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[COUGHING]
264
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Because of
the crack cocaine epidemic,
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because of the poverty levels,
266
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because the so-called riots
had happened,
267
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that people felt,
"Well, who cares
about this community?"
268
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They don't have
high-paid lobbyists,
269
00:15:38,471 --> 00:15:43,643
you know what I mean?
There's nobody advocating
on their behalf.
270
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So LAPD and the city officials
271
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felt that they could
get away with it.
272
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[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
In the '80s,
273
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crack dealers employed
more people in South Central
274
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than AT&T, IBM,
and Xerox combined.
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After leaving sanitation,
276
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Lonnie worked as a mechanic
in this police station.
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I called the leading detective
278
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to try and get the police side
of the Grim Sleeper story.
279
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[PHONE RINGING]
280
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But the LAPD
refused to comment.
281
00:16:21,381 --> 00:16:23,716
[WOMAN SINGING]
* I saw you baby
282
00:16:29,056 --> 00:16:33,193
* Fell in love so fast
283
00:16:34,594 --> 00:16:36,696
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Pam met Lonnie on the streets
284
00:16:36,729 --> 00:16:38,798
and agreed to
show us his world.
285
00:16:38,831 --> 00:16:42,369
* Anyone could tell
286
00:16:42,402 --> 00:16:47,307
Crack comes with whores
and excitement and drama.
287
00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:48,775
It ain't just about
getting high,
288
00:16:48,808 --> 00:16:50,177
it's excitement,
289
00:16:50,210 --> 00:16:53,713
it's how you're out here
looking like
Hobo motherfuckin' Kelly,
290
00:16:53,746 --> 00:16:56,516
and motherfuckers
pick you up, and you know,
you're feeling good,
291
00:16:56,549 --> 00:16:58,785
and twisting and turning,
you know what I'm saying?
292
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You think you're all that,
and motherfucker, you know,
oops, this is a serial killer.
293
00:17:03,290 --> 00:17:04,957
You know what I'm saying?
So you know what I mean?
294
00:17:04,991 --> 00:17:09,196
So, you don't... It's about
the excitement, the chase.
It's about the chase.
295
00:17:09,229 --> 00:17:10,463
The chase and the thrill.
296
00:17:10,497 --> 00:17:11,964
"I'mma get this motherfucker,"
297
00:17:11,998 --> 00:17:16,136
'cause that's what I said.
"Oh, this looks like
a super good one."
298
00:17:16,169 --> 00:17:19,072
You know what I'm sayin'?
And the shenanigans began.
299
00:17:20,873 --> 00:17:22,709
[FUNK MUSIC PLAYING]
300
00:17:25,645 --> 00:17:29,716
Well, I usually get what's
hoeing right around there,
301
00:17:29,749 --> 00:17:33,386
on West Street
and 41st and 42nd,
302
00:17:33,420 --> 00:17:37,624
up and down that way
by the Mustang, Snooty Fox
and the Comfort Inn motel.
303
00:17:37,657 --> 00:17:39,859
He would pick me up
around there.
304
00:17:39,892 --> 00:17:42,129
You know, he'd be
driving around in his van.
305
00:17:42,162 --> 00:17:45,698
The last time I felt
something was wrong
306
00:17:45,732 --> 00:17:48,235
'cause he was like,
"Bitch, you know what?"
307
00:17:48,901 --> 00:17:51,471
And I said, "Bitch"?
308
00:17:53,506 --> 00:17:55,875
He was like, "You don't
never want to do what
I really want you to do."
309
00:17:55,908 --> 00:18:00,380
I said I'm not
a motherfucking dog.
"Bitch, now,
310
00:18:00,413 --> 00:18:02,249
"You don't own me.
I'm not a motherfucking dog.
311
00:18:02,282 --> 00:18:03,716
"What the fuck?
I'm not going to bark."
312
00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:06,819
You know, and then
he was like... When he said
"I'm gonna drop you off,"
313
00:18:06,853 --> 00:18:08,521
I said,"You ain't
gonna drop me off.
314
00:18:08,555 --> 00:18:11,158
"I'mma leave right now.
I can make it from here."
315
00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:14,093
[DOG BARKING]
316
00:18:15,762 --> 00:18:17,497
BROOMFIELD: Are you sure
he's okay to pet?
317
00:18:18,498 --> 00:18:21,501
Jesus. Are you sure?
318
00:18:27,374 --> 00:18:31,644
Blow! Blow! Blow!
Hey, you can't let him
get up on you...
319
00:18:33,780 --> 00:18:36,249
This is my ex-husband.
320
00:18:36,283 --> 00:18:39,219
He left. We were together
four years. He wanted to go
separate ways.
321
00:18:39,719 --> 00:18:40,887
That's my son.
322
00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,423
That's my mama.
She died in 2010.
323
00:18:43,456 --> 00:18:46,459
That's my granddaughter,
and that's me,
and that's my mom.
324
00:18:46,493 --> 00:18:48,228
And those are me.
325
00:18:48,261 --> 00:18:50,463
Where is your husband?
He's at home.
He lives in Long Beach.
326
00:18:50,497 --> 00:18:51,564
There you go.
327
00:18:52,399 --> 00:18:55,902
See him? There you go. Yeah.
328
00:18:55,935 --> 00:18:58,505
It's cold out here
by myself.
329
00:18:58,538 --> 00:19:00,540
And it's all right.
I live alone.
330
00:19:00,573 --> 00:19:02,875
You know, for a girl... Yeah.
You live alone?
331
00:19:02,909 --> 00:19:05,312
Four years sober.
I've come to the light.
332
00:19:05,345 --> 00:19:07,714
Four years sober?
Four years sober.
333
00:19:07,747 --> 00:19:10,350
And I have my own self.
This is me.
334
00:19:10,383 --> 00:19:12,652
You know. I don't drink.
What were you on before?
335
00:19:12,685 --> 00:19:15,255
Drugs. Crack. I used to
smoke crack ever since
I met Lonnie.
336
00:19:15,288 --> 00:19:17,890
That's how I know
all these girls
that you wanna know.
337
00:19:17,924 --> 00:19:20,927
I know these girls
because I was
out there hoeing.
338
00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,929
Let's go.
Cool.
339
00:19:22,962 --> 00:19:24,797
Let's go.
Let's go.
340
00:19:27,634 --> 00:19:28,801
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Pam says she knows
341
00:19:28,835 --> 00:19:33,206
some of the 180 missing
unidentified women.
342
00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,808
The pictures were released
by the LAPD
343
00:19:35,842 --> 00:19:38,245
and found at
Lonnie Franklin's home.
344
00:19:40,580 --> 00:19:44,183
Many of the women are homeless
so we looked on the street.
345
00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:52,859
[Pam] She was a young girl.
May she knows...
346
00:19:56,529 --> 00:19:59,732
Hey, can I ask you a question?
I'm just curious...
347
00:19:59,766 --> 00:20:01,701
I'm doing a research
about the Grim Sleeper.
348
00:20:01,734 --> 00:20:03,336
Do you know anything
about the Grim Sleeper?
349
00:20:03,370 --> 00:20:05,004
I've seen him actually
driving around.
350
00:20:05,037 --> 00:20:07,540
I've seen him actually
talking to one girl.
351
00:20:07,574 --> 00:20:09,709
When though?
This is like a while back.
352
00:20:13,546 --> 00:20:17,650
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
The victims ranged in age
from 14 to 36.
353
00:20:17,684 --> 00:20:21,020
All had been shot
with a .25 caliber pistol
354
00:20:21,053 --> 00:20:22,389
or strangled.
355
00:20:22,422 --> 00:20:25,792
Hi, did you know
about the Grim Sleeper?
356
00:20:25,825 --> 00:20:28,528
Were you out here at home
when the Grim Sleeper
was out here?
357
00:20:28,561 --> 00:20:29,996
The what?
When the Grim Sleeper...
358
00:20:30,029 --> 00:20:32,365
When the killer, the man
was out here killing the women?
359
00:20:32,399 --> 00:20:33,766
Were you out here then?
360
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,935
All right,
you have a good day
and be safe.
361
00:20:35,968 --> 00:20:38,338
Huh?
You have a good day
and be safe.
362
00:20:38,371 --> 00:20:41,374
All right. How old are you?
You know me?
363
00:20:41,408 --> 00:20:43,476
Wasn't we at that
train station together?
364
00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:44,644
What train station?
365
00:20:44,677 --> 00:20:46,813
I mean a bus station.
What bus station?
366
00:20:46,846 --> 00:20:49,382
See, there are lots of
bus stations down here.
Yeah.
367
00:20:49,416 --> 00:20:51,384
How old are you?
Twenty.
368
00:20:51,418 --> 00:20:52,585
Twenty?
369
00:20:52,619 --> 00:20:54,387
Have a good day.
370
00:20:54,421 --> 00:20:56,556
You know, because half
of these bitches got pimps,
371
00:20:56,589 --> 00:20:58,458
you know what I'm sayin'?
I don't like pimps
372
00:20:58,491 --> 00:20:59,859
so, you know,
I disrespect pimps.
373
00:20:59,892 --> 00:21:01,060
You know. I don't like pimps.
374
00:21:01,093 --> 00:21:03,930
I have no respect for any man
who puts a woman out here
375
00:21:03,963 --> 00:21:05,298
and makes her sell her pussy.
376
00:21:05,332 --> 00:21:08,668
He ain't selling his dick
out here with her.
That's wrong.
377
00:21:08,701 --> 00:21:12,339
[LAUGHS] Yeah, put your
skirt on and come out here
and work with her.
378
00:21:12,372 --> 00:21:14,641
That's wrong.
But you know,
some people like it,
379
00:21:14,674 --> 00:21:15,808
some people with it.
380
00:21:45,405 --> 00:21:47,640
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Less than 50 percent
of this community
381
00:21:47,674 --> 00:21:49,742
graduates from high school.
382
00:21:49,776 --> 00:21:52,445
This is not just
a story about Lonnie,
383
00:21:52,479 --> 00:21:55,882
but about a people in
one of the world's
most prosperous cities
384
00:21:55,915 --> 00:21:57,550
who have been left behind.
385
00:21:57,584 --> 00:21:58,818
Pull up right there.
386
00:21:58,851 --> 00:22:00,720
BROOMFIELD: Your mom
used to hang out with him?
387
00:22:00,753 --> 00:22:03,022
Mm-hmm. They used to
drink and stuff.
388
00:22:04,023 --> 00:22:06,726
PAM: See?
Smoke. [LAUGHS]
389
00:22:09,161 --> 00:22:10,930
BROOMFIELD: Did you smoke?
Huh?
390
00:22:10,963 --> 00:22:12,465
Did you smoke?
391
00:22:12,499 --> 00:22:14,801
PAM: Crack.
Oh, no. I don't smoke.
392
00:22:14,834 --> 00:22:17,604
My mom is a drug addict.
So, yeah.
393
00:22:17,637 --> 00:22:21,674
But yeah, he used to
hand out with my mom,
stuff like that.
394
00:22:21,708 --> 00:22:24,544
They smoked,
they used to drink together.
395
00:22:24,577 --> 00:22:26,546
I didn't know him
in a negative way.
396
00:22:26,579 --> 00:22:29,048
BROOMFIELD: At his house?
Mm-hmm.
397
00:22:29,081 --> 00:22:31,851
Right next door. 81st,
Corner of Western.
398
00:22:31,884 --> 00:22:33,653
BROOMFIELD: 81st. Cool.
399
00:22:33,686 --> 00:22:35,655
'Cause he stayed next door.
BROOMFIELD: How old
were you then?
400
00:22:35,688 --> 00:22:38,591
Uh, I was about 19.
401
00:22:38,625 --> 00:22:40,627
PAM: How old are you now?
I'm 29.
402
00:22:40,660 --> 00:22:43,430
Twenty-nine? You look good.
You don't look 29.
Thank you.
403
00:22:43,463 --> 00:22:46,999
I have a baby too. Yeah.
You don't look 29.
404
00:22:47,033 --> 00:22:49,135
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
I was surprised
that we still hadn't heard
405
00:22:49,168 --> 00:22:51,871
any terrible stories
about Lonnie.
406
00:22:51,904 --> 00:22:54,040
Everyone we met
seemed to like him.
407
00:22:56,108 --> 00:22:59,512
I got a call from Gary,
one of Lonnie's close friends
408
00:22:59,546 --> 00:23:02,849
who I had met on the stoop,
saying he had
something to tell me.
409
00:23:02,882 --> 00:23:04,984
How is it going?
Everything's going good.
410
00:23:05,017 --> 00:23:07,119
They going good?
Yeah. Come on.
411
00:23:09,489 --> 00:23:10,423
Thank you.
412
00:23:10,457 --> 00:23:12,759
All right.
How's it going?
All right.
413
00:23:15,862 --> 00:23:17,630
BROOMFIELD: So what
did you want to tell me?
414
00:23:17,664 --> 00:23:20,667
Okay, like...
415
00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:24,437
Like I said, I always,
first of all, you know,
my head... you know,
416
00:23:24,471 --> 00:23:27,173
my heart, and I take
my hat off to the victims,
417
00:23:27,206 --> 00:23:29,108
you know,
the victims' families,
you know,
418
00:23:29,141 --> 00:23:32,445
because it's truly a tragedy.
419
00:23:32,479 --> 00:23:33,780
Okay, now, as for Lonnie,
420
00:23:33,813 --> 00:23:36,015
I don't believe
that Lonnie did it.
421
00:23:36,048 --> 00:23:40,720
But after the fact,
there's a lot of things that
I've been thinking about,
422
00:23:40,753 --> 00:23:43,856
you know, and the media is
kinda creating doubt within me.
423
00:23:44,624 --> 00:23:46,459
Like the .25 automatic
424
00:23:46,493 --> 00:23:51,531
that they say that he shot
the surviving victims with,
425
00:23:51,564 --> 00:23:54,967
I would see him
with a .25 automatic,
standing in his front yard.
426
00:23:55,001 --> 00:23:56,503
He showed it to me.
427
00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:59,071
Where would he keep it?
428
00:23:59,105 --> 00:24:01,808
He would keep it
in his top pocket.
Where? Just...
429
00:24:01,841 --> 00:24:04,611
In his top pocket.
Just like right here.
430
00:24:04,644 --> 00:24:06,879
BROOMFIELD: So you saw the .25.
GARY: I saw it.
431
00:24:08,881 --> 00:24:10,517
He showed it to me.
432
00:24:10,550 --> 00:24:12,652
Okay, and...
433
00:24:12,685 --> 00:24:16,155
A lot of things, you know,
has come up, where...
434
00:24:16,188 --> 00:24:19,091
I saw handcuffs
fall out of Lonnie's car.
435
00:24:19,125 --> 00:24:21,628
I went talked to him,
and then...
436
00:24:21,661 --> 00:24:24,631
I joked with him and I said,
"Hey, man, what are you,
the police or something?"
437
00:24:24,664 --> 00:24:27,033
You know, and he
laughed it off,
you know, but...
438
00:24:27,066 --> 00:24:30,002
It's like he was
letting me see these things,
439
00:24:30,036 --> 00:24:32,071
a lot of things,
you know.
440
00:24:32,104 --> 00:24:33,573
Like, maybe he wanted me...
441
00:24:33,606 --> 00:24:35,642
It was a $250,000 reward,
442
00:24:35,675 --> 00:24:37,510
and maybe he was
feeling guilty or something,
443
00:24:37,544 --> 00:24:39,512
I don't know. That's
where I'm looking at it now.
444
00:24:39,546 --> 00:24:41,714
And maybe he wanted me
to get the reward.
445
00:24:41,748 --> 00:24:44,884
I went in his house,
he showed me pictures
where he had...
446
00:24:44,917 --> 00:24:48,087
a picture of a girl
that he took
inside the house.
447
00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:50,256
I'm like,"Lonnie,
this is inside your house.
448
00:24:50,289 --> 00:24:51,891
"What are you..."
What was she doing?
449
00:24:51,924 --> 00:24:54,260
He took naked pictures
of her, you know.
450
00:24:54,293 --> 00:24:56,963
And I'm like, "Whoa,
where was your old lady?"
451
00:24:56,996 --> 00:25:00,867
And he just gave his laugh.
[IMITATES LAUGHTER]
You know, and all.
452
00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:03,736
Do you think Lonnie almost
wanted to get caught?
453
00:25:03,770 --> 00:25:09,576
I mean, you know,
that's the way that it,
to me, if he did do it,
454
00:25:09,609 --> 00:25:11,744
Why would you show somebody
something like this?
455
00:25:11,778 --> 00:25:13,813
$250,000 reward
and all this.
456
00:25:13,846 --> 00:25:15,915
Man, you got the gun
and that's, you know...
457
00:25:17,116 --> 00:25:19,786
the gun that's supposed
to have been used.
458
00:25:19,819 --> 00:25:24,156
Man, you just showed me this.
You blatantly showed me.
459
00:25:24,190 --> 00:25:29,095
Why do you think people
didn't tell the police
anything about Lonnie before?
460
00:25:30,329 --> 00:25:32,899
Who knew?
461
00:25:32,932 --> 00:25:36,803
What do you mean,
tell the police? Who knew?
462
00:25:36,836 --> 00:25:41,574
Well, he was heavily into
women and pornography...
463
00:25:41,608 --> 00:25:43,910
Oh, you're telling me,
after he got caught?
No. Before.
464
00:25:44,944 --> 00:25:46,045
So what he was into women?
465
00:25:46,078 --> 00:25:47,213
A lot of people
are into women.
What do you do?
466
00:25:47,246 --> 00:25:50,783
Go to the police and say,
"Hey, this man into women"?
467
00:25:50,817 --> 00:25:54,687
No one have anything.
Women coming up dead.
We knew that.
468
00:25:54,721 --> 00:25:59,325
They arrested a police officer
for the murders at one time.
469
00:25:59,358 --> 00:26:02,795
But a lot of people said
Lonnie was weird.
470
00:26:02,829 --> 00:26:06,165
Lonnie... he was weird
in his own way. He was weird.
But he was Lonnie.
471
00:26:06,198 --> 00:26:09,268
If you know him,
you'd know him.
He was weird.
472
00:26:09,301 --> 00:26:11,704
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Richard also asked to meet up.
473
00:26:11,738 --> 00:26:14,106
BROOMFIELD: There were
some other things you
wanted to tell me?
474
00:26:14,140 --> 00:26:17,109
Yes. I got permission
from... How should I say?
475
00:26:17,143 --> 00:26:20,680
I got permission from
Lonnie's... Mrs. Franklin,
476
00:26:20,713 --> 00:26:25,317
to tell you about
an incident that occurred
when I was with Lonnie.
477
00:26:25,351 --> 00:26:27,253
We were driving around...
478
00:26:28,788 --> 00:26:31,290
We were supposedly
scouting for a car.
479
00:26:31,323 --> 00:26:32,992
We were driving down Figueroa,
480
00:26:33,025 --> 00:26:35,862
he sees this girl,
he sort of flips.
481
00:26:35,895 --> 00:26:39,231
So we passed her like
maybe ten to 15 feet.
482
00:26:39,265 --> 00:26:41,067
Passed her, he pulled over.
483
00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:43,269
He got out and ran back
there where she was,
484
00:26:43,302 --> 00:26:47,006
they were having words,
and all of a sudden,
she tried to go away,
485
00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:49,909
and he grabbed her,
put her arm behind and...
486
00:26:49,942 --> 00:26:53,780
grabbed a handful of hair
and was pulling her to the car.
487
00:26:53,813 --> 00:26:56,415
And all the time,
I'm looking back,
looking at this.
488
00:26:56,448 --> 00:26:57,549
What was she doing?
489
00:26:57,583 --> 00:27:00,787
She was hollering and
saying,"Let me go! Let me go!
490
00:27:00,820 --> 00:27:02,321
"Help me! Let me go!"
491
00:27:02,354 --> 00:27:06,425
And I said, "Man,
what the hell is you doing?
Dude, what are you doing?"
492
00:27:06,458 --> 00:27:08,861
And he looked,
I guess he caught his senses,
493
00:27:08,895 --> 00:27:12,131
he collected himself
real quick, he let her go,
494
00:27:12,164 --> 00:27:14,934
and before he can...
after he let her go,
495
00:27:14,967 --> 00:27:17,770
before he can just
walk plainly to the car,
496
00:27:17,804 --> 00:27:19,405
the police came
out of everywhere.
497
00:27:20,172 --> 00:27:21,941
Yeah.
498
00:27:21,974 --> 00:27:23,609
We were both arrested.
499
00:27:23,642 --> 00:27:28,748
They never charged me with
nothing, they never told me
why I was being arrested,
500
00:27:28,781 --> 00:27:30,116
they just arrested us.
501
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:32,251
Did they take your prints
or anything?
502
00:27:32,284 --> 00:27:33,820
That's the strange thing
about it.
503
00:27:33,853 --> 00:27:39,158
They didn't even book us.
They didn't even fingerprint us
or nothing.
504
00:27:39,191 --> 00:27:44,163
They just put us in a cell.
Just kept us there for hours.
505
00:27:44,196 --> 00:27:46,265
Wouldn't talk to us
or anything.
506
00:27:46,298 --> 00:27:50,236
Then all of a sudden,
the guy came and said,
"You're free to go."
507
00:27:50,269 --> 00:27:52,905
But see, they had
split Lonnie and I up.
508
00:27:52,939 --> 00:27:54,506
They took him out
of the cell with me,
509
00:27:54,540 --> 00:27:58,911
and put him in another cell
for like three hours prior to
them releasing us.
510
00:27:58,945 --> 00:28:00,913
And they didn't
charge him with anything?
511
00:28:00,947 --> 00:28:03,282
No. He left with us.
His wife picked us up.
512
00:28:03,315 --> 00:28:05,184
And no fingerprints,
no DNA?
513
00:28:05,217 --> 00:28:08,120
No fingerprints,
no tests, no nothing.
514
00:28:10,823 --> 00:28:12,458
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING] Before
Lonnie Franklin's arrest,
515
00:28:12,491 --> 00:28:17,263
many people in the community
believed the police themselves
were involved.
516
00:28:17,296 --> 00:28:20,933
A police officer, Ricky Ross
was arrested for the murders,
517
00:28:20,967 --> 00:28:23,836
but released
for lack of evidence.
518
00:28:23,870 --> 00:28:27,173
However, the suspicions
still exists in the community.
519
00:28:28,407 --> 00:28:30,242
WOMAN: State your name
and spell it out, please.
520
00:28:30,276 --> 00:28:32,411
My name is Lonnie Franklin.
521
00:28:32,444 --> 00:28:37,316
L-O-N-N-I-E,
F-R-A-N-K-L-I-N.
522
00:28:37,349 --> 00:28:41,153
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Lonnie had 15 previous
felony convictions,
523
00:28:41,187 --> 00:28:43,455
yet he never had
his DNA taken.
524
00:28:43,489 --> 00:28:47,093
WOMAN: How many times
have you been convicted of
receiving stolen property, sir?
525
00:28:48,527 --> 00:28:51,330
Uh, probably around
four, five times.
526
00:28:51,363 --> 00:28:53,299
How about GTA?
527
00:28:53,332 --> 00:28:55,167
Grand Theft Vehicle
or Auto?
528
00:28:58,805 --> 00:29:00,907
Around five times.
Five times.
529
00:29:00,940 --> 00:29:02,208
How about battery?
530
00:29:03,342 --> 00:29:04,510
Battery?
531
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,049
Two. Two times.
532
00:29:10,082 --> 00:29:14,787
How about assault with
force likely to produce
great bodily injury?
533
00:29:14,821 --> 00:29:16,488
Have you also
been convicted of that?
534
00:29:19,158 --> 00:29:20,927
Mm...
535
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,329
It's a possibility, yes.
How many times?
536
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:25,564
Once.
537
00:29:25,597 --> 00:29:28,500
How about false
imprisonment, sir?
538
00:29:28,534 --> 00:29:30,269
False imprisonment?
Mm-hmm.
539
00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:34,006
Once.
540
00:29:39,045 --> 00:29:40,980
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Lonnie has now been in custody
541
00:29:41,013 --> 00:29:43,549
without bail for
the last four years,
542
00:29:43,582 --> 00:29:45,818
but he has still not
come to trial.
543
00:29:51,357 --> 00:29:52,358
[SOBBING]
544
00:29:52,391 --> 00:29:54,160
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
This is Diana Ware,
545
00:29:54,193 --> 00:29:55,962
stepmother of Barbara Ware,
546
00:29:55,995 --> 00:29:59,131
ne of the Grim Sleeper's
first victims.
547
00:29:59,165 --> 00:30:01,233
She's come to
every court date
548
00:30:01,267 --> 00:30:04,170
since Lonnie Franklin's arrest
four years ago.
549
00:30:04,203 --> 00:30:07,106
Yes, I have, and it's
important because
550
00:30:07,139 --> 00:30:10,142
when Mr. Franklin comes
in to the courtroom,
551
00:30:11,010 --> 00:30:12,879
he can see us.
552
00:30:12,912 --> 00:30:15,147
And when he looks
in that audience,
553
00:30:15,181 --> 00:30:16,282
I want him to see me
554
00:30:16,315 --> 00:30:20,452
to know that
every time he's there,
I am there.
555
00:30:20,486 --> 00:30:25,958
Because the people that
he murdered had family
556
00:30:25,992 --> 00:30:28,594
that loved them
and supported them,
557
00:30:28,627 --> 00:30:30,529
and they want to
see justice done.
558
00:30:30,562 --> 00:30:34,633
That's why I am there
every time that he is in court.
559
00:30:34,666 --> 00:30:36,435
[SOLEMN MUSIC PLAYING]
560
00:30:49,615 --> 00:30:52,351
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Barbara Ware, age 23,
561
00:30:52,384 --> 00:30:55,888
was murdered on
January the 10th, 1987
562
00:30:55,922 --> 00:30:59,992
with a .25 mm gunshot wound
to the chest.
563
00:31:02,294 --> 00:31:05,364
Police knew, in 1987,
from ballistics,
564
00:31:05,397 --> 00:31:10,202
that the same .25 mm pistol
was used in
two previous murders,
565
00:31:10,236 --> 00:31:13,605
and that they had
a serial killer
on their hands.
566
00:31:13,639 --> 00:31:16,308
But they didn't release
this information to the public
567
00:31:16,342 --> 00:31:20,212
until August 2008,
22 years later.
568
00:31:25,717 --> 00:31:28,955
BROOMFIELD: Why didn't
the police tell you
it was a serial killer?
569
00:31:28,988 --> 00:31:30,322
I really don't know.
570
00:31:30,356 --> 00:31:32,424
I was really shocked.
571
00:31:32,458 --> 00:31:36,062
Uh, I was home
when I heard the news
and it came on TV,
572
00:31:36,095 --> 00:31:38,998
so I was really shocked
to hear that.
573
00:31:39,031 --> 00:31:41,567
But...
But I guess the police
knew from 1988
574
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,303
that there was
a serial killer.
575
00:31:44,336 --> 00:31:47,006
I really don't know
anything about that.
576
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:48,941
I didn't think it was
that long, but,
577
00:31:48,975 --> 00:31:51,410
I don't know.
I really don't know.
578
00:31:51,443 --> 00:31:53,645
And when was it
that you found out?
579
00:31:53,679 --> 00:31:57,483
I found out in 2008.
580
00:31:57,516 --> 00:32:00,686
2008.
Yes.
581
00:32:00,719 --> 00:32:05,424
Yes. I found out...
I heard it on television.
582
00:32:05,457 --> 00:32:08,394
So...
But the police didn't
contact you first?
583
00:32:10,029 --> 00:32:12,198
No. You know.
584
00:32:13,099 --> 00:32:16,602
[CALLER READING]
585
00:32:16,635 --> 00:32:19,471
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
This 911 call
reporting the murder,
586
00:32:19,505 --> 00:32:22,174
which many think
is the voice of the killer,
587
00:32:22,208 --> 00:32:24,510
also wasn't released
for 22 years.
588
00:32:24,543 --> 00:32:28,014
[CALLER READING]
589
00:32:38,157 --> 00:32:39,758
911 OPERATOR:
What's your name?
590
00:32:39,791 --> 00:32:41,693
[CALLER READING]
591
00:32:43,295 --> 00:32:44,696
CALLER: Okay, then, bye-bye.
592
00:32:44,730 --> 00:32:46,698
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Acknowledgment of
the serial killer
593
00:32:46,732 --> 00:32:48,134
and the 911 call
594
00:32:48,167 --> 00:32:52,538
were only made public after
the murder of Janecia Peters.
595
00:32:53,739 --> 00:32:58,177
I feel bad for
all of the victims,
596
00:32:58,210 --> 00:33:01,147
but I still always feel like
597
00:33:01,180 --> 00:33:04,350
it didn't have to
happen to Janecia.
598
00:33:04,383 --> 00:33:07,253
Why didn't they tell
the community
599
00:33:07,286 --> 00:33:13,125
that there was someone
running around, you know,
killing girls,
600
00:33:15,161 --> 00:33:18,264
PRESCOD: Why didn't they
release the 911 call
when it happened?
601
00:33:18,297 --> 00:33:20,699
Somebody might have
recognized the voice.
602
00:33:21,467 --> 00:33:22,568
Mm-hmm.
603
00:33:23,835 --> 00:33:29,108
The van that was being driven,
604
00:33:29,141 --> 00:33:31,477
they found the van.
The church van.
605
00:33:32,111 --> 00:33:33,379
Messed that up.
606
00:33:36,215 --> 00:33:38,417
'Cause we were
outraged after
607
00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:42,488
because they knew that
11 or 12 women
were already killed
608
00:33:42,521 --> 00:33:45,791
before they even
announced anything.
609
00:33:45,824 --> 00:33:48,294
And when we went and said
we were concerned about it,
610
00:33:48,327 --> 00:33:51,663
they said, "Well, why are you
so concerned about it?"
611
00:33:51,697 --> 00:33:53,632
And we were a bit shocked.
612
00:33:53,665 --> 00:33:57,769
And they said,
"He's only killing hookers."
613
00:34:00,739 --> 00:34:02,841
That was said to us
by the captain
614
00:34:02,874 --> 00:34:05,677
or whoever it was down there.
Would you believe that?
615
00:34:08,614 --> 00:34:11,783
The police don't care because
these are black women.
616
00:34:11,817 --> 00:34:14,386
It wasn't like
he killed no...
617
00:34:14,420 --> 00:34:17,556
It's not like Lonnie
killed no high-pro
white folk.
618
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:18,624
You know, it wasn't...
I mean,
619
00:34:18,657 --> 00:34:21,693
we don't mean nothing
to them. We're black.
620
00:34:21,727 --> 00:34:24,130
What the fuck?
Just another nigga dead.
621
00:34:24,163 --> 00:34:26,165
You know, you shouldn't
have been out there
on them drugs.
622
00:34:26,198 --> 00:34:29,601
This was... This case
is not a high-profile case
623
00:34:29,635 --> 00:34:31,137
because they
didn't make it one.
624
00:34:31,170 --> 00:34:34,240
Now if I was
a fuckin' celebrity
625
00:34:34,273 --> 00:34:37,509
or a white woman,
626
00:34:37,543 --> 00:34:41,747
you know, maybe they would
have did something. That would
put more emphasis on it.
627
00:34:41,780 --> 00:34:42,848
You know what I'm sayin'?
628
00:34:42,881 --> 00:34:46,618
But I'm a black woman.
Who gives a fuck about me?
629
00:34:46,652 --> 00:34:50,722
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Pam is still contacting
women on the street she knows.
630
00:34:50,756 --> 00:34:54,593
I like the way Pam refers to us
as her friends from England
631
00:34:54,626 --> 00:34:57,663
to explain why she's
riding around with
a couple of white boys.
632
00:34:57,696 --> 00:34:59,831
Hey, Liz, come here!
633
00:34:59,865 --> 00:35:02,134
Liz, remember the Grim Sleeper?
634
00:35:02,168 --> 00:35:04,736
Did you ever get involved
with the Grim Sleeper?
635
00:35:04,770 --> 00:35:07,773
Uh-uh.
He never crossed
your path down here?
636
00:35:07,806 --> 00:35:09,675
I'm just doin' a research.
You seen him?
637
00:35:09,708 --> 00:35:10,976
Can you just tell them
what you saw?
638
00:35:11,009 --> 00:35:13,445
These are my friends
from England and they are
doing a research.
639
00:35:13,479 --> 00:35:15,514
Did you ever catch him here?
You ever dated him?
640
00:35:15,547 --> 00:35:16,582
Uh-uh. No, I didn't.
641
00:35:16,615 --> 00:35:17,916
You never seen him?
642
00:35:17,949 --> 00:35:19,017
Uh-uh.
Oh.
643
00:35:19,050 --> 00:35:21,687
But I passed him by,
you know, in the neighborhood.
644
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:23,289
How are you doin'?
I'm okay.
645
00:35:23,322 --> 00:35:24,690
You're still
looking good, girl.
646
00:35:24,723 --> 00:35:26,192
Thank you.
You're all right.
647
00:35:28,794 --> 00:35:32,264
She's been out here
for almost 40 years.
648
00:35:32,298 --> 00:35:33,932
That's a damn shame.
Forty years?
649
00:35:33,965 --> 00:35:35,133
Forty years.
650
00:35:35,167 --> 00:35:37,936
Shit, I started out...
When I was out here,
I started young.
651
00:35:37,969 --> 00:35:40,539
I was 17. And I'm 45.
652
00:35:40,572 --> 00:35:42,608
That bitch is older.
She's older to me.
653
00:35:42,641 --> 00:35:45,511
She still looks good.
654
00:35:45,544 --> 00:35:48,380
Bitch ain't lost no teeth,
all of 'em is her teeth.
655
00:35:50,682 --> 00:35:53,885
Were you out here when
the Grim Sleeper was
out here killing those girls?
656
00:35:53,919 --> 00:35:55,521
Were you out here then?
657
00:35:55,554 --> 00:35:57,389
No? How old are you?
658
00:35:57,889 --> 00:35:59,858
Nineteen?
659
00:35:59,891 --> 00:36:01,727
She ain't got no panties on.
660
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,795
Look, you should get it.
Nick, can you see?
661
00:36:04,463 --> 00:36:05,497
Nineteen.
662
00:36:05,531 --> 00:36:09,401
Be safe. All right.
663
00:36:09,435 --> 00:36:11,670
She ain't got no drawers on.
You don't see her?
664
00:36:11,703 --> 00:36:14,740
Yeah.
Damn. I guess
she's nineteen.
665
00:36:14,773 --> 00:36:16,208
She's young.
Nineteen.
666
00:36:16,242 --> 00:36:18,344
She's out here,
ass out naked.
667
00:36:18,377 --> 00:36:20,212
That's fucked up.
668
00:36:20,246 --> 00:36:21,780
Let me see what she's doing.
669
00:36:21,813 --> 00:36:23,549
Back up, back up, back up.
670
00:36:23,582 --> 00:36:25,417
Can you back up?
Back up.
671
00:36:25,451 --> 00:36:27,986
Oh, that's a street girl.
She's trying to get a treat.
I ain't fuckin' with y'all.
672
00:36:28,019 --> 00:36:30,589
Watch out. Watch out.
[CAR HORN HONKING]
673
00:36:30,622 --> 00:36:33,792
Okay, let's go around.
674
00:36:33,825 --> 00:36:37,496
We'll pick the bitch up
and go and buy
a bunch of beers.
675
00:36:37,529 --> 00:36:40,366
You gonna get the beers
'cause I might want the bitch.
676
00:36:40,399 --> 00:36:43,335
What's up? Where are the rest
of the girls at tonight?
677
00:36:43,369 --> 00:36:45,437
Ain't no girls out here?
You the only one out here?
678
00:36:45,471 --> 00:36:46,638
You are like the police.
679
00:36:46,672 --> 00:36:48,707
No, I ain't the police.
I'm an ex-hooker
just like you.
680
00:36:48,740 --> 00:36:50,509
I just don't do it no more.
681
00:36:50,542 --> 00:36:54,012
Because I'm doing a research
about the Grim Sleeper.
Don't trip.
682
00:36:54,045 --> 00:36:55,447
It ain't got nothing
to do with you.
683
00:36:55,481 --> 00:36:57,383
If I was the police,
you'd be in jail.
684
00:36:57,416 --> 00:36:59,017
But that''s your thing.
685
00:36:59,050 --> 00:37:01,320
Said I'm like the police.
Bitch, if I was the police,
686
00:37:01,353 --> 00:37:04,756
bitch, I would have busted
your ass and made you go
put some clothes on.
687
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:07,693
Okay, which way
are we going now?
Where you wanna go?
688
00:37:07,726 --> 00:37:09,761
Should we go back up?
Yeah.
689
00:37:11,297 --> 00:37:12,631
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
I really admire Pam,
690
00:37:12,664 --> 00:37:15,934
who's almost running
our production by now.
691
00:37:15,967 --> 00:37:19,505
Recently Pam was turned down
for a job as a bus driver
692
00:37:19,538 --> 00:37:23,008
because of a felony
conviction for possession.
693
00:37:23,041 --> 00:37:25,043
Now she also can't vote,
694
00:37:25,076 --> 00:37:27,946
get food stamps
or public housing.
695
00:37:37,623 --> 00:37:40,826
Pam has managed to
contact number 147
696
00:37:40,859 --> 00:37:44,396
on the police composite of
photos found in Lonnie's house.
697
00:37:47,466 --> 00:37:49,768
She lives on
this housing estate
698
00:37:49,801 --> 00:37:52,538
but isn't a victim
or missing person.
699
00:37:53,505 --> 00:37:54,606
[DOG BARKING]
700
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:55,974
BROOMFIELD:
Which one is it? Three?
701
00:38:03,014 --> 00:38:05,351
Is this flat three?
702
00:38:05,384 --> 00:38:06,885
Are you flat three?
703
00:38:11,490 --> 00:38:15,694
Hi. Sorry to bother you.
We were looking for flat three.
704
00:38:15,727 --> 00:38:17,363
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
This is DelaShawn,
705
00:38:17,396 --> 00:38:19,965
whose picture was taken
by Lonnie Franklin
706
00:38:19,998 --> 00:38:22,434
when she was dating
Christopher Franklin,
707
00:38:22,468 --> 00:38:24,336
Lonnie's son,
at high school.
708
00:38:24,370 --> 00:38:27,506
DELASHAWN: Well, this is
Christopher John Franklin.
709
00:38:28,907 --> 00:38:31,543
BROOMFIELD:
Which one? Oh, there?
710
00:38:31,577 --> 00:38:37,115
DELASHAWN: Oh, God, this is
a creepy situation for me
because I just think about it.
711
00:38:37,148 --> 00:38:40,519
I spent my entire
eleventh grade summer
in that house.
712
00:38:40,552 --> 00:38:44,022
I spent the night,
we went on vacations.
713
00:38:44,055 --> 00:38:49,395
I was exposed to
his wife, his sister,
the rest of the family.
714
00:38:49,428 --> 00:38:51,397
We did funerals...
715
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:52,964
I did a lot
with that family.
716
00:38:54,666 --> 00:38:56,702
So...
And how did they seem?
717
00:38:58,036 --> 00:38:59,371
Normal.
718
00:38:59,905 --> 00:39:01,840
Normal?
Normal.
719
00:39:02,874 --> 00:39:05,711
Normal family.
Typical family.
720
00:39:05,744 --> 00:39:07,846
Mother and father,
work.
721
00:39:08,514 --> 00:39:10,549
Uh...
722
00:39:10,582 --> 00:39:13,885
Mr. Franklin didn't work,
he was always at home.
723
00:39:15,053 --> 00:39:16,788
And if you ever
needed anything,
724
00:39:16,822 --> 00:39:20,025
you'd just tell him,
and he'd get it for you.
725
00:39:20,058 --> 00:39:22,160
Don't ask questions,
just know that
he got it for you.
726
00:39:22,193 --> 00:39:23,995
How he got it,
we ever knew.
727
00:39:24,029 --> 00:39:25,597
What kind of stuff?
728
00:39:25,631 --> 00:39:27,633
If you wanted a TV,
he'd get it.
729
00:39:27,666 --> 00:39:29,868
If you needed a car,
he'd get it.
730
00:39:29,901 --> 00:39:32,103
If you needed a part
for your car, he'd get it.
731
00:39:32,137 --> 00:39:35,173
There was no question of
how he got it, but he got it.
732
00:39:35,206 --> 00:39:39,911
I still can't process
this person who
killed these women
733
00:39:39,945 --> 00:39:44,015
being the person who would go
above and beyond to help you.
734
00:39:44,049 --> 00:39:47,018
because this wasn't
the character he came off.
735
00:39:47,052 --> 00:39:49,521
He would have
a conversation with you,
736
00:39:49,555 --> 00:39:53,859
but during that conversation,
something perverted
would come out.
737
00:39:53,892 --> 00:39:57,629
That's just who he was.
He's just a horny old man.
738
00:39:57,663 --> 00:40:00,999
That's exactly how
everybody looked at him,
as a horny old man.
739
00:40:01,032 --> 00:40:03,935
I can say there were...
Now I'm gonna get
a little personal.
740
00:40:03,969 --> 00:40:06,171
There was a few times
when we would be in the room,
741
00:40:06,204 --> 00:40:09,708
and you could tell
he was listening at the door
742
00:40:09,741 --> 00:40:12,878
or at the door, like...
743
00:40:12,911 --> 00:40:14,312
When you were in
the room with his son?
744
00:40:14,345 --> 00:40:19,851
Yeah. Like, sometimes
he seemed like he was
a pervert. Seriously.
745
00:40:21,787 --> 00:40:23,855
[CHOPPER WHIRRING]
746
00:40:23,889 --> 00:40:26,892
DELASHAWN: The lights are
always off in that house.
747
00:40:26,925 --> 00:40:30,629
So it was always very damp in
the hallways and in the back.
748
00:40:33,131 --> 00:40:36,802
They opened the kitchen window
with the blinds,
749
00:40:36,835 --> 00:40:38,904
and the living room
with the blinds,
750
00:40:38,937 --> 00:40:41,673
but the lights in the hallway,
751
00:40:41,707 --> 00:40:43,842
the lights in it
and the bathroom lights
were never on.
752
00:40:43,875 --> 00:40:47,946
It was always like,
tea candles were burning
in the bathroom.
753
00:40:51,983 --> 00:40:56,187
It was always magazines...
Like, porn magazines
in the bathroom.
754
00:40:56,221 --> 00:40:59,124
He kept porn magazines
on the side of the toilet.
755
00:41:02,594 --> 00:41:05,597
And then at night
he would leave.
756
00:41:05,631 --> 00:41:08,033
And I just remember,
he had a Pinto.
757
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:12,838
The backyard was junky,
758
00:41:12,871 --> 00:41:14,172
the garage was junky,
759
00:41:14,205 --> 00:41:16,775
the rooms were junky,
the house was junky.
760
00:41:16,808 --> 00:41:20,211
It was just one of those places
where there was always
just stuff everywhere.
761
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,183
I do remember him
having a shoe box
762
00:41:25,216 --> 00:41:27,819
with pictures
in the garage.
763
00:41:27,853 --> 00:41:31,657
And I remember him
laughing with his buddies,
764
00:41:31,690 --> 00:41:33,625
passing the shoe box around.
765
00:41:35,060 --> 00:41:37,929
He always had
three cell phones.
766
00:41:37,963 --> 00:41:40,532
I always asked him,
"So why do you have
three cell phones?"
767
00:41:40,566 --> 00:41:45,771
He told me.
One was for business,
one was his personal.
768
00:41:45,804 --> 00:41:50,275
And the third one
was for his hoes
or his crackheads.
769
00:41:50,308 --> 00:41:52,978
And did he show you
pictures and stuff or...
770
00:41:53,011 --> 00:41:56,181
He never showed me pictures
but we did borrow his...
771
00:41:56,214 --> 00:41:59,618
He had a white van,
like a church van,
772
00:41:59,651 --> 00:42:01,587
we did ride on that once.
773
00:42:01,620 --> 00:42:03,121
And in the glove box,
774
00:42:03,154 --> 00:42:06,157
I remember once Chris
asked me to get the screwdriver
out the glove box,
775
00:42:06,191 --> 00:42:10,295
but when I opened
the glove box, there was
like a Polaroid picture,
776
00:42:10,328 --> 00:42:13,999
it's like the old...
What are the ones
that you snap?
777
00:42:14,032 --> 00:42:15,901
Yeah, Polaroids.
And you fan 'em.
778
00:42:15,934 --> 00:42:18,704
But there was a stack
in the glove box,
779
00:42:18,737 --> 00:42:20,271
and in there were
like, lace panties,
780
00:42:20,305 --> 00:42:22,307
or something lace
in the corner.
781
00:42:22,340 --> 00:42:27,278
And I just grabbed
the screwdriver
and closed the glove box.
782
00:42:27,312 --> 00:42:29,948
Yeah. Didn't think
anything of it.
783
00:42:55,306 --> 00:42:56,808
So where are you guys headed?
784
00:42:56,842 --> 00:43:00,979
BROOMFIELD: We're filming
these alleyways where
the bodies were found.
785
00:43:01,012 --> 00:43:03,248
Shall I ride?
Yeah, you wanna ride?
786
00:43:09,354 --> 00:43:12,791
BROOMFIELD: Can you see
how all the bodies were
very close to where he lived?
787
00:43:12,824 --> 00:43:16,327
Yeah. Western, Western,
Gage, Western, in between...
788
00:43:16,361 --> 00:43:17,829
I see in between...
789
00:43:17,863 --> 00:43:22,033
Well, you got one on Vernon.
2500 West Vernon.
790
00:43:22,067 --> 00:43:24,269
That would be like on
Crenshaw and Vernon.
791
00:43:24,302 --> 00:43:26,137
Right around his house.
792
00:43:26,171 --> 00:43:28,640
RICHARD: Yeah, 81st,
Van Ness is the closest.
793
00:43:28,674 --> 00:43:31,242
Very close.
That's five blocks.
794
00:43:39,184 --> 00:43:41,419
There's been a couple of
bodies that were found
795
00:43:41,452 --> 00:43:43,655
in this alley since
I've been living here.
796
00:43:43,689 --> 00:43:45,423
I've been living here
since I was 12 years old.
797
00:43:45,456 --> 00:43:49,127
And you know, couple of things
done happened through here,
798
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,797
you know,
gang-related shootings,
799
00:43:51,830 --> 00:43:54,365
uh, people getting
dropped off
in the alley,
800
00:43:54,399 --> 00:43:57,068
uh, things happened
in that alley.
801
00:43:57,102 --> 00:43:59,971
Did you hear where
the Grim Sleeper body
was dropped off?
802
00:44:00,005 --> 00:44:01,139
It was right here by this.
803
00:44:01,172 --> 00:44:04,142
This post right here,
it was a black bag.
Which one?
804
00:44:04,175 --> 00:44:06,244
This post right here,
it was a black bag.
805
00:44:06,845 --> 00:44:08,446
[GUNSHOTS]
806
00:44:08,479 --> 00:44:10,315
That's shooting right there.
They're shooting.
807
00:44:10,348 --> 00:44:12,984
There's shooting right here.
You hear it Nick?
808
00:44:16,254 --> 00:44:17,756
[GUNSHOT]
809
00:44:20,158 --> 00:44:21,760
RICHARD: Did you
hear the shooting?
810
00:44:24,462 --> 00:44:25,864
I think we should go.
811
00:44:25,897 --> 00:44:27,232
[GUNSHOT]
812
00:44:27,265 --> 00:44:28,934
Well, let's just stay put
for a moment.
We don't wanna...
813
00:44:28,967 --> 00:44:30,068
[SIREN WAILING]
814
00:44:30,101 --> 00:44:31,269
Where did that guy go?
815
00:44:31,302 --> 00:44:33,338
We don't know
who's shooting, man.
That man ran.
816
00:44:33,371 --> 00:44:36,207
We don't know
who's shooting, or why
is everybody running.
817
00:44:40,311 --> 00:44:42,981
There a whole...
A lot of bodies have been
dropped in that alley.
818
00:44:43,014 --> 00:44:47,352
People have been
shot in that alley,
killed in that alley.
819
00:44:47,385 --> 00:44:49,721
So the Grim Sleeper
is just one more.
820
00:44:57,195 --> 00:44:58,997
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Lonnie's obsession
821
00:44:59,030 --> 00:45:02,333
was taking photographs of
all his encounters with women.
822
00:45:03,101 --> 00:45:04,936
At first on Polaroid,
823
00:45:04,970 --> 00:45:07,739
then graduating to video
and cell phone.
824
00:45:09,307 --> 00:45:13,411
But he really... His specialty
is flipping pictures.
825
00:45:13,444 --> 00:45:17,916
He likes taking pictures,
all kinds of positions.
826
00:45:17,949 --> 00:45:21,920
You know what I'm sayin'?
Just, you know, naked,
close your eyes...
827
00:45:21,953 --> 00:45:24,790
you know, all this...
Like a wild animal.
828
00:45:24,823 --> 00:45:29,094
You know, taking pictures
of just dumb shit. He liked
snapping pictures.
829
00:45:29,127 --> 00:45:30,461
What kind?
830
00:45:30,495 --> 00:45:34,065
You know, You... Close my eyes,
you know, bend over.
831
00:45:34,099 --> 00:45:36,267
You know, turn around,
832
00:45:36,301 --> 00:45:38,937
prop my ass up, just
freaky shit, you know.
833
00:45:41,572 --> 00:45:44,342
That's it. That's the best
what I can tell you about him.
834
00:45:44,375 --> 00:45:45,944
He's just a freaky motherfucker
835
00:45:45,977 --> 00:45:49,114
and I was just the lucky one
that I had the instincts,
836
00:45:49,147 --> 00:45:51,449
when all bets were off,
finally got away.
837
00:45:53,885 --> 00:45:56,521
BROOMFIELD: Okay,
it's in that door.
838
00:45:56,554 --> 00:45:59,290
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Gary and Richard,
both bachelors,
839
00:45:59,324 --> 00:46:03,929
seemed to be part of a kind of
amateur photographic society
with Lonnie Franklin
840
00:46:03,962 --> 00:46:06,197
and various others
in the neighborhood.
841
00:46:06,231 --> 00:46:07,833
He would call and say,
"Man, I know some freaks."
842
00:46:07,866 --> 00:46:10,468
You know what I'm sayin'?
'Cause he knew that
I knew some too, you know.
843
00:46:10,501 --> 00:46:14,039
And we just, we compared notes,
you know what I'm sayin'?
I've got my divorce.
844
00:46:14,072 --> 00:46:16,507
I was a single man, hurt,
and all this, you know
what I mean?
845
00:46:16,541 --> 00:46:18,343
You know, I turned
into a bachelor.
846
00:46:20,178 --> 00:46:22,480
You know. That's what
I've been doing.
847
00:46:22,513 --> 00:46:25,283
You know, not proud of it,
but, you know, I would...
848
00:46:26,852 --> 00:46:29,220
But I'm not into killing
and all that, you know.
849
00:46:29,955 --> 00:46:32,123
These are...
850
00:46:32,157 --> 00:46:35,927
Like I said, these are
some pictures. This is what
me and Lonnie would share,
851
00:46:35,961 --> 00:46:39,097
you know, with each other.
I have some pictures, you know.
852
00:46:39,130 --> 00:46:42,868
I got a couple of them
that Lonnie knew and others
I sort of knew them too,
853
00:46:42,901 --> 00:46:44,903
and took out, you know.
854
00:46:44,936 --> 00:46:47,205
But this is what
was going on, you know.
855
00:46:47,238 --> 00:46:49,607
Just like this one right here,
and Lonnie,
856
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:55,480
he... He knows her, and then
just like I was saying, you see
the alcohol right there.
857
00:46:55,513 --> 00:46:59,484
That's what she liked. So,
you know, that's how Lonnie
would get his women.
858
00:46:59,517 --> 00:47:01,052
All right.
You know.
859
00:47:01,652 --> 00:47:03,054
You see...
860
00:47:03,088 --> 00:47:05,423
So this is when he was
still taking pictures?
861
00:47:05,456 --> 00:47:09,394
Yeah. And this is the girl
that came and talked to you
and stuff like that.
862
00:47:09,427 --> 00:47:10,862
Definitely she was
on hoe stroll.
863
00:47:10,896 --> 00:47:13,298
Okay, roughly,
these, uh, just, uh...
864
00:47:13,331 --> 00:47:16,902
A girl that enjoys having sex
and posing.
865
00:47:16,935 --> 00:47:20,071
She felt that the pictures
are a form of art.
866
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:25,010
BROOMFIELD: And would you
sit around and show them
to each other
867
00:47:25,043 --> 00:47:27,913
in the back of the garage
in the shoe box?
868
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:35,120
GARY: Yeah... You know.
Yeah. He knows her.
869
00:47:39,690 --> 00:47:40,625
I didn't talk to Lonnie.
870
00:47:40,658 --> 00:47:41,759
Lonnie would sit up there
just like this,
871
00:47:41,792 --> 00:47:44,029
'cause that's what our
conversation would be about.
872
00:47:44,062 --> 00:47:46,564
"Man, let me
tell you something."
873
00:47:48,066 --> 00:47:49,234
Okay.
874
00:47:49,267 --> 00:47:51,102
Now this right here,
we'd be comparing it,
875
00:47:51,136 --> 00:47:53,939
just like this, he could
never be dirty.
He's like, "Bam!"
876
00:47:53,972 --> 00:47:56,474
[LAUGHS] Oh, my goodness.
877
00:47:57,943 --> 00:48:00,578
"Bam!"
878
00:48:00,611 --> 00:48:04,549
Lonnie got a white van
and he had a camera
in the back of it.
879
00:48:04,582 --> 00:48:06,217
RICHARD: Then he had
the mobile home.
880
00:48:06,251 --> 00:48:08,619
He had it on a tripod,
a tripod like that,
881
00:48:08,653 --> 00:48:10,255
and it was parked right
in front of his house.
882
00:48:10,288 --> 00:48:12,523
There was a mattress
on the floor.
883
00:48:12,557 --> 00:48:15,293
And that's where
he would do his work.
884
00:48:15,326 --> 00:48:17,996
He'd be right there,
you never would see his face,
885
00:48:18,029 --> 00:48:20,598
but, say for instance,
if this is between her legs,
886
00:48:20,631 --> 00:48:23,501
you'll never see him.
You might see his fingers,
887
00:48:23,534 --> 00:48:29,140
He'd be doin'...He'd have
his hands on the vagina, but
you never would see his face.
888
00:48:29,174 --> 00:48:31,009
I didn't want to say
anything last night,
889
00:48:31,042 --> 00:48:34,012
but a couple of times,
I had to...
You know I do carpets.
890
00:48:34,045 --> 00:48:35,180
Yeah.
I had to...
891
00:48:35,213 --> 00:48:37,382
Lonnie paid me.
He gave me money
to clean the van.
892
00:48:38,383 --> 00:48:39,717
The mobile home.
893
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:41,319
I always cleaned the carpet.
894
00:48:41,352 --> 00:48:43,688
I cleaned the carpet
four to five times.
895
00:48:43,721 --> 00:48:45,690
but I never suspected
it'd be-
896
00:48:45,723 --> 00:48:47,325
I didn't know what dry...
897
00:48:47,358 --> 00:48:50,595
You know, what it looks like,
but to e, it was like oil,
898
00:48:50,628 --> 00:48:54,732
but I got it oiled up,
'cause I have the special
solution to get it out.
899
00:48:54,765 --> 00:48:56,667
But the police
took the mobile home.
900
00:48:56,701 --> 00:48:57,868
Did they ever
bring it back?
901
00:48:57,902 --> 00:48:59,704
He had a legal shop
back there, so they
took all...
902
00:48:59,737 --> 00:49:02,407
But I haven't seen
the mobile home back.
903
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,976
I don't know.
BROOMFIELD: So you think
that might have been blood.
904
00:49:05,010 --> 00:49:06,944
It could have been. I'm not...
905
00:49:07,612 --> 00:49:09,714
It was easy to get off.
906
00:49:09,747 --> 00:49:11,482
And it was dark like oil.
907
00:49:11,516 --> 00:49:13,751
But it wasn't oil.
That's hard to get off.
908
00:49:13,784 --> 00:49:15,053
BROOMFIELD: Hmm.
909
00:49:15,086 --> 00:49:16,221
Yeah, but...
910
00:49:22,193 --> 00:49:25,563
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING] Lonnie
was by far, the wealthiest
man in his street.
911
00:49:25,596 --> 00:49:28,366
In this area
of high unemployment,
912
00:49:28,399 --> 00:49:31,502
it's estimated that at least
one-third of black males
913
00:49:31,536 --> 00:49:34,472
would receive
felony convictions
at some point,
914
00:49:34,505 --> 00:49:36,241
and lose the right to vote,
915
00:49:36,274 --> 00:49:38,543
get food stamps
and public housing,
916
00:49:38,576 --> 00:49:40,078
and many jobs.
917
00:49:42,113 --> 00:49:44,649
Lonnie could pick and choose
who he employed.
918
00:49:46,617 --> 00:49:48,686
Everyone wanted to
work for Lonnie.
919
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,521
This man burned cars
for Lonnie.
920
00:49:50,555 --> 00:49:54,059
BROOMFIELD: So how
did you know Lonnie?
How did you know Lonnie?
921
00:49:54,092 --> 00:49:56,261
Oh, man, I did
a couple of jobs for him.
922
00:49:56,294 --> 00:49:58,429
Oh, you did?
Yes, I have.
923
00:49:58,463 --> 00:50:02,700
What kind of jobs?
Uh, insurance.
924
00:50:02,733 --> 00:50:07,338
I was involved... Knew Lonnie.
I did a couple of jobs for him,
925
00:50:07,372 --> 00:50:09,207
which I told you,
were insurance jobs.
926
00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:11,809
This one was kind of strange.
927
00:50:11,842 --> 00:50:14,712
He said it was his,
he wanted to have it burned.
928
00:50:15,513 --> 00:50:17,182
He said what? The car...
929
00:50:17,215 --> 00:50:18,783
Yes, set the car on fire.
930
00:50:18,816 --> 00:50:22,320
Did he bring you the car?
931
00:50:22,353 --> 00:50:26,191
I came over to
where he was located,
932
00:50:26,224 --> 00:50:28,059
Where was that?
81st.
933
00:50:28,093 --> 00:50:31,462
Outside his house?
Exactly.
934
00:50:31,496 --> 00:50:36,467
Got the keys from him,
drove the car off over here.
935
00:50:36,501 --> 00:50:38,136
Right.
Over here.
936
00:50:38,169 --> 00:50:42,740
And, like I said, when
I pulled up, I thought I was
gonna find something of value.
937
00:50:42,773 --> 00:50:46,211
Searched through it, and
discovered some female clothes
938
00:50:46,244 --> 00:50:48,246
which had some blood on it,
939
00:50:48,279 --> 00:50:50,415
and in the backseat,
and on the floor.
940
00:50:50,448 --> 00:50:52,517
There was blood?
Blood.
941
00:50:52,550 --> 00:50:57,155
A lot of it?
Yes. Yes. Yeah.
942
00:50:58,189 --> 00:51:00,391
Considering, yeah.
943
00:51:00,425 --> 00:51:04,295
And you knew it was blood,
was it?
Well, of course. In detail.
944
00:51:04,329 --> 00:51:05,663
It was discolored,
945
00:51:05,696 --> 00:51:07,298
but still, you could
tell it was blood.
946
00:51:07,332 --> 00:51:09,300
And you didn't think
anything of the bloody...
947
00:51:09,334 --> 00:51:11,736
Didn't think anything
of it. Never.
948
00:51:11,769 --> 00:51:15,273
When you find bloody clothes
in a car, don't you think
that's a little odd?
949
00:51:16,674 --> 00:51:18,676
Not really. I mean,
it's just...
950
00:51:18,709 --> 00:51:22,580
hey, carried out
what I set out to do,
951
00:51:22,613 --> 00:51:24,282
took care of that,
went back.
952
00:51:24,315 --> 00:51:25,850
What did you set out to do?
953
00:51:25,883 --> 00:51:27,685
Set the car on fire.
954
00:51:29,187 --> 00:51:31,222
And so what
did you do exactly?
955
00:51:31,256 --> 00:51:38,629
Uh, took out some...
A lighter, paper,
956
00:51:38,663 --> 00:51:40,598
threw it, set it on fire.
957
00:51:46,471 --> 00:51:49,640
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Richard introduced us to Jerry.
958
00:51:49,674 --> 00:51:52,210
Jerry worked with Lonnie
as a mechanic,
959
00:51:52,243 --> 00:51:55,280
and was his companion at night
picking up women.
960
00:51:57,948 --> 00:52:00,685
Gentlemen, how are you
doing today?
BROOMFIELD: Howdy.
961
00:52:08,493 --> 00:52:10,361
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Jerry says he was with Lonnie
962
00:52:10,395 --> 00:52:13,231
with about half of the women
on the police composite.
963
00:52:27,445 --> 00:52:31,749
I met Lonnie when he
bought a bike from me.
964
00:52:31,782 --> 00:52:34,219
You know,
bought a bike and all,
965
00:52:34,252 --> 00:52:37,522
I said I won't charge him.
I was on crack cocaine.
966
00:52:37,555 --> 00:52:40,758
And I was... He bought
the bike for ten dollars.
967
00:52:40,791 --> 00:52:43,528
And ever since then,
me and Lonnie
became good friends.
968
00:52:43,561 --> 00:52:45,663
He would see me
walking on the street,
he would pull over and say,
969
00:52:45,696 --> 00:52:46,864
"Man, I'm looking
for such and such.
970
00:52:46,897 --> 00:52:48,599
"You see such and such?"
And I would say, "No."
971
00:52:48,633 --> 00:52:49,867
He said, "You wanna
make some money?"
972
00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:52,337
I got a car I need to pick up.
I said okay.
973
00:52:52,370 --> 00:52:54,905
You know, by me
being on crack cocaine,
974
00:52:54,939 --> 00:52:59,944
I was anxious to do anything
to get another hit.
975
00:52:59,977 --> 00:53:02,647
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
I discovered it was Jerry
on the Google image,
976
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,515
talking to Lonnie.
977
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:06,617
On the left is the camper van
978
00:53:06,651 --> 00:53:10,555
where Lonnie allegedly
filmed and killed women.
979
00:53:10,588 --> 00:53:14,492
BROOMFIELD: Just describe
what it was like
picking the women up.
980
00:53:14,525 --> 00:53:16,761
Well, majority of
the women we knew
981
00:53:16,794 --> 00:53:20,965
and majority of the women,
we'd say how much
for both of us.
982
00:53:20,998 --> 00:53:23,401
You know, and they'd say,"Well,
983
00:53:23,434 --> 00:53:24,935
Sometimes they'd say
half and half,
984
00:53:24,969 --> 00:53:28,739
or they'd want straight cash
or they want straight crack.
985
00:53:28,773 --> 00:53:33,611
And then we'd stop to
get some liquor, whatever
they wanted to drink,
986
00:53:33,644 --> 00:53:36,681
and we wouldn't have
no problems with it.
987
00:53:36,714 --> 00:53:39,684
But some women get attitudes
988
00:53:39,717 --> 00:53:43,288
because the majority of them
wanted dope to hit.
989
00:53:43,321 --> 00:53:45,790
He wouldn't give it to them
'cause they weren't performing,
990
00:53:45,823 --> 00:53:47,758
or he'd get mad
and put them out,
991
00:53:47,792 --> 00:53:49,860
asshole naked.
992
00:53:49,894 --> 00:53:51,362
But like I said,
sometimes,
993
00:53:51,396 --> 00:53:53,498
he'd pick them up,
and he'd drop me off,
994
00:53:53,531 --> 00:53:55,266
but he'd keep
the women with him.
995
00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:57,268
How come you dropped
me off, you know?
996
00:53:57,302 --> 00:53:59,970
'Cause... I would
have to go home to my girl,
997
00:54:00,004 --> 00:54:01,372
or I had to do something.
998
00:54:01,406 --> 00:54:02,840
Do you think
he killed those women?
999
00:54:02,873 --> 00:54:04,141
Well, it might have been.
1000
00:54:04,174 --> 00:54:07,712
It could have been.
It could have been
the women he killed.
1001
00:54:07,745 --> 00:54:10,548
You know, if he did it.
1002
00:54:13,751 --> 00:54:18,623
NANA GYAMFI:
You've allowed black women
to walk around here
1003
00:54:18,656 --> 00:54:21,359
when someone is hunting them,
1004
00:54:21,392 --> 00:54:23,928
not knowing that
they're being hunted.
1005
00:54:27,998 --> 00:54:32,903
Imagine if they
would have treated
victim number three
1006
00:54:32,937 --> 00:54:35,540
as if she was a student
over at UCLA,
1007
00:54:35,573 --> 00:54:37,342
with blonde hair and blue eyes.
1008
00:54:37,375 --> 00:54:40,845
How many other people
might still be living?
1009
00:54:41,812 --> 00:54:43,848
But the lack of concern
1010
00:54:43,881 --> 00:54:46,417
allow for this hunting ground
1011
00:54:46,451 --> 00:54:51,422
to just be free and open
for this person, you know?
1012
00:54:51,456 --> 00:54:55,760
And that is, for me,
the real, real, real tragedy.
1013
00:54:55,793 --> 00:54:57,294
You know, the real tragedy
1014
00:54:57,328 --> 00:55:02,700
is just the lack of concern
allowed so many more people
to be murdered.
1015
00:55:02,733 --> 00:55:05,403
BROOMFIELD: Do you think
also that people were afraid
1016
00:55:05,436 --> 00:55:06,737
to come forward
and say something?
1017
00:55:06,771 --> 00:55:09,374
That's very, very plausible.
1018
00:55:09,407 --> 00:55:13,578
I mean, the relationship, its...
the relationship with the police
and the community is such that
1019
00:55:13,611 --> 00:55:14,945
no one wants to be
1020
00:55:14,979 --> 00:55:18,783
the person who's giving
the police information.
You just don't.
1021
00:55:18,816 --> 00:55:21,952
I tell my own son,
you know, he's 16 years old,
1022
00:55:21,986 --> 00:55:23,921
"If something terrible happens
and your mother's not home,
1023
00:55:23,954 --> 00:55:25,423
"here are the numbers
of people to call.
1024
00:55:25,456 --> 00:55:28,426
"But whatever you do,
do not call 911."
1025
00:55:28,459 --> 00:55:29,660
No, literally, for what?
1026
00:55:29,694 --> 00:55:31,596
So you gonna come
answer the door and they
can pull you away.
1027
00:55:31,629 --> 00:55:33,297
Don't call 911.
1028
00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:36,867
You know, while you're there,
you're trying to tell them
what happened to you,
1029
00:55:36,901 --> 00:55:40,405
they're trying to find out,
you know, do you use drugs
every once in a while?
1030
00:55:40,438 --> 00:55:41,872
Or you know,
are you art of this gang?
1031
00:55:41,906 --> 00:55:45,376
They're trying to fill out
their little field
identification card
1032
00:55:45,410 --> 00:55:48,746
when you're trying to explain
to them that someone has
done something. You know?
1033
00:55:48,779 --> 00:55:52,049
You cannot just,
as a black person,
1034
00:55:52,082 --> 00:55:55,052
walk into an LAPD station
1035
00:55:55,085 --> 00:55:57,622
or a LASD station
and just say,
1036
00:55:57,655 --> 00:56:00,691
"I have something to report"
and start describing something,
1037
00:56:00,725 --> 00:56:03,861
and think that you're going
to be, you know, be
treated with dignity,
1038
00:56:03,894 --> 00:56:06,897
treated with kindness,
treated with concern,
1039
00:56:06,931 --> 00:56:08,999
and be able to leave
feeling good, you know,
1040
00:56:09,033 --> 00:56:13,003
warm cockles of the heart
that "Yes, I've done something."
1041
00:56:13,037 --> 00:56:18,375
It is a 99% chance that
this is gonna be an unpleasant
situation for you.
1042
00:56:53,010 --> 00:56:54,945
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
I couldn't help wondering
1043
00:56:54,979 --> 00:56:59,584
how much Lonnie Franklin's
own family must have known
about what was going on.
1044
00:56:59,617 --> 00:57:03,721
His wife, son, and daughter,
living in this house,
1045
00:57:03,754 --> 00:57:06,924
which, as DelaShawn said,
had junk everywhere.
1046
00:57:21,171 --> 00:57:24,875
Sylvia Franklin,
Lonnie's wife for 30 years,
1047
00:57:24,909 --> 00:57:27,478
is well-respected
in the community.
1048
00:57:27,512 --> 00:57:30,214
She works in the school
superintendent's office,
1049
00:57:30,247 --> 00:57:33,918
and goes to the church
at the end of the street
every Sunday.
1050
00:57:33,951 --> 00:57:37,722
Matter of fact, if we had
came a little while earlier,
1051
00:57:37,755 --> 00:57:39,089
like five minutes earlier,
1052
00:57:39,123 --> 00:57:40,958
you would have seen her
leave the church.
1053
00:57:40,991 --> 00:57:43,260
Is that that church?
It's the church.
It's right here.
1054
00:57:43,293 --> 00:57:47,498
Wait. Let me see.
There she is right there.
Look. Turn. Turn.
1055
00:57:47,532 --> 00:57:51,602
There she is in the shawl
with the cap on,
1056
00:57:51,636 --> 00:57:53,003
the white hat.
1057
00:57:53,037 --> 00:57:54,171
That's Lonnie's wife.
1058
00:57:54,204 --> 00:57:57,107
That was Lonnie's wife?
My goodness.
1059
00:57:57,141 --> 00:58:00,845
Do you think we should
go and say anything?
BOTH: No. No.
1060
00:58:00,878 --> 00:58:03,748
No?
No. She would be
awfully upset.
1061
00:58:05,282 --> 00:58:06,150
But that was her.
1062
00:58:06,183 --> 00:58:09,987
I always wondered,
I look at his wife,
1063
00:58:10,020 --> 00:58:11,221
and I'd be looking at Lonnie,
1064
00:58:11,255 --> 00:58:13,758
and remember the stuff
Lonnie done show me,
1065
00:58:13,791 --> 00:58:16,193
and I said, "Lonnie, how
the hell does she
put up with this?"
1066
00:58:16,226 --> 00:58:18,763
How does she put up with this?
1067
00:58:18,796 --> 00:58:20,698
She had to... Didn't know.
1068
00:58:20,731 --> 00:58:23,300
But I couldn't see her
being in the house with him
1069
00:58:23,333 --> 00:58:25,970
and didn't find none of
that stuff none of the time.
1070
00:58:26,604 --> 00:58:27,872
She had to.
1071
00:58:28,873 --> 00:58:29,907
You know?
1072
00:58:32,009 --> 00:58:34,979
Like those... Well,
then too, she never
went in the garage.
1073
00:58:35,012 --> 00:58:36,914
She never went back there.
1074
00:58:36,947 --> 00:58:38,082
That was Lonnie's domain.
1075
00:58:38,115 --> 00:58:39,950
The backyard was his domain.
1076
00:58:39,984 --> 00:58:42,853
She come out the house,
she's out the house, done.
1077
00:58:42,887 --> 00:58:44,889
Man, it didn't seem like...
1078
00:58:44,922 --> 00:58:47,124
"Are you guys really married?"
1079
00:58:47,157 --> 00:58:51,061
You know? That's what
we've been... I'm like,
"Wow." You know?
1080
00:58:51,095 --> 00:58:53,263
'Cause it's unreal.
You never saw them
together.
1081
00:58:53,297 --> 00:58:56,066
You never saw them
in the same car together.
1082
00:58:56,100 --> 00:58:59,637
You never, never,
not one time in my life
1083
00:58:59,670 --> 00:59:02,807
I've ever seen them together
in the same car.
1084
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:07,244
Over twenty years, man?
Come on. Never.
1085
00:59:07,277 --> 00:59:09,914
Some people say
they had separate bedrooms.
1086
00:59:09,947 --> 00:59:11,181
I don't know.
1087
00:59:12,149 --> 00:59:14,018
You know, I don't know that.
1088
00:59:14,051 --> 00:59:15,019
But I've been in the house
1089
00:59:15,052 --> 00:59:17,655
and Lonnie don't let
everybody in his house.
1090
00:59:18,723 --> 00:59:20,090
Don't wanna believe it.
1091
00:59:20,124 --> 00:59:21,659
Don't wanna believe it.
1092
00:59:22,392 --> 00:59:25,095
Don't wanna believe it. Man.
1093
00:59:25,996 --> 00:59:27,732
That would blow my mind.
1094
00:59:31,068 --> 00:59:34,972
DELASHAWN: At the time,
I didn't know that they were
having marital problems.
1095
00:59:35,005 --> 00:59:38,042
I didn't know she actually
had her own place.
1096
00:59:38,075 --> 00:59:41,178
But it made sense because
she would not be there,
1097
00:59:41,211 --> 00:59:44,281
and then there was times
that she would be there.
1098
00:59:44,314 --> 00:59:46,917
She lived in her house
and he lived in his.
1099
00:59:46,951 --> 00:59:49,987
I don't think they ever
really lived together.
1100
00:59:50,020 --> 00:59:53,357
Or they did at some point
but then they weren't.
1101
00:59:53,390 --> 00:59:56,827
Because how do you leave
for days at a time
1102
00:59:56,861 --> 01:00:00,731
and then you come back
a day or two and then
you leave for days at a time?
1103
01:00:02,366 --> 01:00:06,370
So I'm assuming, with her
leaving for days at a time,
1104
01:00:06,403 --> 01:00:10,207
is why he was out
doing what he was doing.
1105
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,143
'Cause no woman was there
to tell him or stay on him,
1106
01:00:13,177 --> 01:00:16,947
or there was no woman
there for him. So he
would go elsewhere.
1107
01:00:31,161 --> 01:00:33,831
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Everyone said the closest
person to Lonnie
1108
01:00:33,864 --> 01:00:35,299
is his son Christopher.
1109
01:00:36,867 --> 01:00:38,302
RICHARD: He was always home.
1110
01:00:39,469 --> 01:00:41,972
He was little then.
He's a little guy.
1111
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:44,775
But he was always home.
1112
01:00:44,809 --> 01:00:48,345
Up until he moved out,
but he was always home,
1113
01:00:48,378 --> 01:00:51,248
he was involved
in his dad's business,
1114
01:00:51,281 --> 01:00:53,417
I'm not saying he was
involved in the murders,
1115
01:00:53,450 --> 01:00:56,721
but he was always involved
in his dad's business.
1116
01:00:56,754 --> 01:01:00,224
I'm not speculating
on Chris, but,
1117
01:01:00,257 --> 01:01:01,759
it's very hard
for me to believe
1118
01:01:01,792 --> 01:01:06,296
that if anything went on
in that house, that
Chris didn't know about.
1119
01:01:09,266 --> 01:01:12,302
I really don't think he...
He had to know about some...
1120
01:01:12,336 --> 01:01:16,040
You know, even had a suspicion
of something going on,
1121
01:01:17,207 --> 01:01:18,308
that wasn't right.
1122
01:01:18,342 --> 01:01:22,079
Chris is a type of person
if he didn't like you,
1123
01:01:22,112 --> 01:01:24,949
he would attack you, or,
1124
01:01:24,982 --> 01:01:26,817
he would pull a gun on you.
1125
01:01:28,318 --> 01:01:29,754
He would try to stab you,
1126
01:01:29,787 --> 01:01:32,890
he would run over you.
Whatever he could do
to harm you, he would do,
1127
01:01:32,923 --> 01:01:36,727
and he would not
think twice about it.
1128
01:01:36,761 --> 01:01:42,232
And as a teenager,
I thought it was awesome.
I had a boyfriend who's crazy.
1129
01:01:42,266 --> 01:01:46,370
And then as I got older
I realized he was really crazy.
1130
01:01:46,403 --> 01:01:48,973
BROOMFIELD: Do you think
he got a little of that
from his father?
1131
01:01:49,006 --> 01:01:50,440
I'm sure he did.
1132
01:01:52,076 --> 01:01:54,378
I'm gonna say
I'm positive he did.
1133
01:01:55,245 --> 01:01:56,446
I don't know. There is
1134
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,148
plenty of times
when we would drive around,
1135
01:01:58,182 --> 01:02:01,451
he would have his gun
laying on his lap.
1136
01:02:01,485 --> 01:02:04,488
We're out driving,
going to get something to eat,
1137
01:02:04,521 --> 01:02:09,293
and he would have his gun,
a fully-loaded gun,
laying on his lap.
1138
01:02:09,326 --> 01:02:11,428
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Pam thought she might
have the best chance
1139
01:02:11,461 --> 01:02:12,897
of getting
a meeting with Chris.
1140
01:02:12,930 --> 01:02:16,166
BROOMFIELD: Should we go
over there now? Do you think
he'd be there now?
1141
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,169
You want to go right through?
We could try.
1142
01:02:19,203 --> 01:02:20,437
All right, let's go.
1143
01:02:21,872 --> 01:02:24,208
Mmm-mmm-mmm.
1144
01:02:24,241 --> 01:02:28,045
I thought you were saying
you were a little nervous
because...
1145
01:02:28,078 --> 01:02:31,048
I was, a little.
...you know, he's a scary...
1146
01:02:31,081 --> 01:02:33,017
Hey, I'm not scared
of nothing but God.
1147
01:02:33,050 --> 01:02:33,951
You know what I mean?
1148
01:02:33,984 --> 01:02:37,154
You have to understand
what I was saying.
1149
01:02:37,187 --> 01:02:40,490
You get a little... You know
what I'm saying? I ride around
with two white boys,
1150
01:02:40,524 --> 01:02:41,826
I'm from the hood,
1151
01:02:41,859 --> 01:02:43,093
I'm a crackhead,
1152
01:02:43,127 --> 01:02:45,095
I don't know
if y'all from England,
1153
01:02:45,129 --> 01:02:46,864
you motherfuckers
could be anybody.
1154
01:02:46,897 --> 01:02:49,233
And when did I become
a motherfucking investigator?
1155
01:02:49,266 --> 01:02:51,802
I don't give a fuck
about Lonnie.
1156
01:02:51,836 --> 01:02:52,937
You know what I'm sayin'?
1157
01:02:52,970 --> 01:02:55,305
See, 'cause I don't want
nobody to shoot at your car,
1158
01:02:55,339 --> 01:02:58,876
or do nothing to you,
and you gotta be careful.
1159
01:02:58,909 --> 01:03:01,879
I mean, you know
how they are. They think
you're the fucking FBI,
1160
01:03:01,912 --> 01:03:03,380
riding around there.
"Who is this?"
1161
01:03:03,413 --> 01:03:07,584
Then they figure, "This bitch,
who is this bitch?
Who the fuck is this bitch?"
1162
01:03:07,617 --> 01:03:11,188
Back up, back up, back up.
There's nobody on here.
1163
01:03:13,357 --> 01:03:16,526
Damn. Okay pull up.
Go on some more.
1164
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:17,995
Go. There you go.
1165
01:03:18,028 --> 01:03:20,230
There you go.
Was that Chris?
1166
01:03:20,264 --> 01:03:22,599
PAM: Let me see.
Keep going.
1167
01:03:22,632 --> 01:03:25,836
Keep going. Keep going.
1168
01:03:25,870 --> 01:03:27,204
I told go.
Do you wanna get out?
1169
01:03:27,237 --> 01:03:29,974
Uh-uh. That's Chris.
Just call across to him.
1170
01:03:42,419 --> 01:03:45,923
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Pam gave Chris
her phone number to call.
1171
01:03:45,956 --> 01:03:47,925
He said he'd think about it.
1172
01:03:57,401 --> 01:03:59,169
This is Lonnie's dog,
1173
01:03:59,203 --> 01:04:02,306
famous after his arrest
among neighborhood kids
1174
01:04:02,339 --> 01:04:05,109
as the guardian
of the haunted house.
1175
01:04:05,142 --> 01:04:08,445
No one dares knock on
Lonnie or Chris' front door.
1176
01:04:10,514 --> 01:04:12,249
[HIP-HOP MUSIC PLAYING]
1177
01:04:13,183 --> 01:04:15,352
[SINGS ALONG INDISTINCTLY]
1178
01:04:23,460 --> 01:04:24,461
Turn it down?
1179
01:04:24,494 --> 01:04:25,562
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Pam took us to find
1180
01:04:25,595 --> 01:04:28,232
Christopher's childhood
nanny Lili,
1181
01:04:28,265 --> 01:04:33,403
who now lives homeless on
the same streets that
Lonnie used to ride at night.
1182
01:04:33,437 --> 01:04:35,172
[HIP-HOP MUSIC CONTINUES]
1183
01:04:44,181 --> 01:04:45,916
[SUSPENSEFUL MUSIC PLAYING]
1184
01:05:20,484 --> 01:05:22,953
Pam introduced us to Roxanne
1185
01:05:22,987 --> 01:05:25,355
and showed her
the pictures of Lili.
1186
01:05:25,389 --> 01:05:28,658
PAM: Lili, you know Lili.
You know who Lili is?
1187
01:05:28,692 --> 01:05:30,560
No, she looks like
my home girl, Portia though.
1188
01:05:30,594 --> 01:05:32,629
You' haven't seen her,
never on Figueroa?
1189
01:05:34,031 --> 01:05:36,700
No.
See her good?
1190
01:05:36,733 --> 01:05:38,368
Yeah.
1191
01:05:38,402 --> 01:05:40,370
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Roxanne also knew Lonnie.
1192
01:05:40,404 --> 01:05:43,273
He paid me $40,
I ain't gonna lie,
for a blowjob.
1193
01:05:43,307 --> 01:05:47,277
He wanted me to go
to his house and go
in his garage,
1194
01:05:47,311 --> 01:05:50,080
but I didn't 'cause
I don't go to people's house.
1195
01:05:50,114 --> 01:05:53,383
And he got my friend Beamer,
we call her Beamer,
1196
01:05:53,417 --> 01:05:56,720
her real name was Brenda.
He cut her across her throat.
1197
01:05:56,753 --> 01:05:58,355
You know, she stayed
on 68 and Menlo,
1198
01:05:58,388 --> 01:06:02,459
but after that happened,
Beamer had left outta here.
You know, she got scared.
1199
01:06:02,492 --> 01:06:04,561
BROOMFIELD: What did
Beamer say he did?
What was he like?
1200
01:06:04,594 --> 01:06:06,363
He raped her,
1201
01:06:06,396 --> 01:06:08,532
and then he cut her throat.
1202
01:06:08,565 --> 01:06:12,169
Tied her up and raped her,
and he cut her throat.
1203
01:06:12,202 --> 01:06:18,075
And like, sometimes, when
I would look at him, he would
look kind of evil, you know...
1204
01:06:18,108 --> 01:06:20,710
It didn't seem like
he was trying to hurt me,
1205
01:06:20,744 --> 01:06:22,346
but I was like,
"I don't wanna
go to your house,"
1206
01:06:22,379 --> 01:06:25,582
and he was like,"Baby,
you're going to the house,
and you'll go in the back,
1207
01:06:25,615 --> 01:06:29,753
"and you'll kick it back there
in the garage. I got a camper."
And all this.
1208
01:06:29,786 --> 01:06:33,790
And I was like, "No, I'm cool.
I'm cool," but I was scared.
1209
01:06:33,823 --> 01:06:36,593
So I went and did what I did,
he let me go.
1210
01:06:36,626 --> 01:06:38,795
And then when it happened
to my home girl Beamer,
I was like,
1211
01:06:38,828 --> 01:06:41,165
"That's the same guy!"
1212
01:06:42,366 --> 01:06:43,700
I promise to call.
1213
01:06:43,733 --> 01:06:45,469
PAM: All right.
Thank you so much.
1214
01:06:52,242 --> 01:06:55,645
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Roxanne didn't find out
anything about Lili,
1215
01:06:55,679 --> 01:06:58,482
but she did put me in touch
with Beamer's pimp,
1216
01:06:58,515 --> 01:07:01,218
who said Beamer
was too scared to talk.
1217
01:07:14,698 --> 01:07:20,637
PAM: Hi, is Lili in there?
Hi, is Lili in there? Lili?
1218
01:07:20,670 --> 01:07:23,207
These motherfuckers,
I know these motherfuckers
over here
1219
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:24,608
'cause I used to
smoke with 'em.
1220
01:07:24,641 --> 01:07:27,444
So we're gonna find her
if she's out here.
1221
01:07:27,477 --> 01:07:29,045
If she's out here.
1222
01:07:36,153 --> 01:07:39,556
This is where I used
to make money.
I used to live right there.
1223
01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:41,291
It's where I started out.
1224
01:07:44,261 --> 01:07:47,597
It is what it was.
Really crack... And
that's another crack house.
1225
01:07:47,631 --> 01:07:49,366
See them sitting out there?
1226
01:07:49,399 --> 01:07:54,504
It's just like the devil's den
though. You know,
you gotta be... It's just...
1227
01:07:55,805 --> 01:07:58,142
I almost lost my life
over here, so...
1228
01:07:58,175 --> 01:07:59,676
It's the devil's den.
1229
01:07:59,709 --> 01:08:02,812
Got to be no sign
to fuck around, so what?
You know passed through here,
1230
01:08:02,846 --> 01:08:05,715
but for as hanging,
you couldn't pay if I...
1231
01:08:05,749 --> 01:08:08,118
If I was to hit the pipe today,
I wouldn't come over here.
1232
01:08:08,152 --> 01:08:10,420
Hi, I'm Dion!
1233
01:08:10,454 --> 01:08:12,722
PAM: I need Lili.
I live on Browning.
1234
01:08:12,756 --> 01:08:14,224
PAM: All right,
I need Lili.
1235
01:08:14,258 --> 01:08:17,561
Can you go get one girl
out there and fuckin' ask
for where Lili is?
1236
01:08:17,594 --> 01:08:19,563
Yeah. Give me five dollars.
1237
01:08:19,596 --> 01:08:20,764
PAM: Here you go.
1238
01:08:20,797 --> 01:08:22,132
I'm so broke.
1239
01:08:22,166 --> 01:08:23,833
PAM: Let me see.
There's five dollars.
1240
01:08:23,867 --> 01:08:25,669
I need it. I need it.
1241
01:08:25,702 --> 01:08:27,271
Okay, I'll get her.
1242
01:08:27,304 --> 01:08:29,473
I just need Lili.
Which one?
Sherry or somebody?
1243
01:08:29,506 --> 01:08:32,242
PAM: Let e see Sherry.
Okay, come on.
1244
01:08:33,377 --> 01:08:34,544
BROOMFIELD:
Where is the crack house?
1245
01:08:34,578 --> 01:08:35,845
Right here.
I'm gonna show you.
1246
01:08:35,879 --> 01:08:38,282
Which one?
It's dead.
See how dark it is?
1247
01:08:38,315 --> 01:08:40,284
Nick, it's right here.
1248
01:08:40,317 --> 01:08:42,286
This is the crack house.
This is the crack house.
1249
01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:43,720
Yeah.
The dark one?
1250
01:08:43,753 --> 01:08:46,256
Yeah, the dark one.
You see? It's the devil's den.
1251
01:08:46,790 --> 01:08:48,525
PAM: Hey, come here.
1252
01:08:48,558 --> 01:08:49,426
[GLASS SHATTERING]
1253
01:08:49,459 --> 01:08:51,528
I don't want that
five dollars back,
1254
01:08:51,561 --> 01:08:53,230
that's chump change to me.
DION: I ain't
worried about that.
1255
01:08:53,263 --> 01:08:55,532
PAM: Okay. I need...
There's nobody in there?
1256
01:08:55,565 --> 01:08:57,267
Just my friend Ray-Ray,
like I said.
1257
01:08:57,301 --> 01:08:59,236
Ray-Ray, Ray-Ray.
Who's Ray-Ray?
1258
01:08:59,269 --> 01:09:02,772
Some young girl, 30...
Oh, that silly nigga Ray-Ray?
1259
01:09:02,806 --> 01:09:05,209
You can't go in the house
or something?
You done fucked up?
1260
01:09:05,242 --> 01:09:06,876
Yeah.
Oh, all right.
Thank you.
1261
01:09:06,910 --> 01:09:08,778
Here, give this cigarette
to your mom.
1262
01:09:12,316 --> 01:09:13,483
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
The irony is,
1263
01:09:13,517 --> 01:09:16,553
Lonnie's house is just
opposite the crash pad
1264
01:09:16,586 --> 01:09:19,389
where Pam found Lili
the following morning.
1265
01:09:19,423 --> 01:09:21,325
PAM: You know,
they want to know the truth.
1266
01:09:21,358 --> 01:09:23,827
And talk so that
they can understand you.
1267
01:09:23,860 --> 01:09:26,630
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
I remembered what Pam
had said about Lili.
1268
01:09:26,663 --> 01:09:29,566
Everybody use and abuse her.
1269
01:09:29,599 --> 01:09:31,935
Everybody use and abuse her.
1270
01:09:31,968 --> 01:09:35,605
That's what she likes.
To be used and abused.
1271
01:09:35,639 --> 01:09:37,040
She's a sweet girl,
1272
01:09:37,073 --> 01:09:40,477
but she's looking for love
in all the wrong
motherfucking places.
1273
01:09:45,849 --> 01:09:48,752
BROOMFIELD:
So you were the nanny...
1274
01:09:48,785 --> 01:09:51,288
Yes.
...for Lonnie's son.
1275
01:09:51,321 --> 01:09:52,789
Yes.
1276
01:09:52,822 --> 01:09:54,658
What was that like?
1277
01:09:54,691 --> 01:09:58,562
So he finally told me
his dad do profound things
to him,
1278
01:09:58,595 --> 01:10:00,597
and he has ladies
in the house,
1279
01:10:00,630 --> 01:10:03,667
and he sits and watches
dad through the peephole.
1280
01:10:03,700 --> 01:10:05,969
You know, so, um...
1281
01:10:06,002 --> 01:10:08,305
When Lonnie had come
to pick me up,
1282
01:10:08,338 --> 01:10:10,307
come pick...
He picked up Chris,
1283
01:10:10,340 --> 01:10:12,376
he would always ask me
to come to the car
1284
01:10:12,409 --> 01:10:14,010
and he had some things
to show me.
1285
01:10:14,043 --> 01:10:15,445
So I'm like, "Okay."
1286
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,715
You know, and I would
set Chris down and let him
play the little Game Boy
1287
01:10:18,748 --> 01:10:20,817
until, well it was
Atari then,
1288
01:10:20,850 --> 01:10:24,388
but played the little games
until we came back.
1289
01:10:24,421 --> 01:10:26,690
So I would go to the car,
he would open up the trunk,
1290
01:10:26,723 --> 01:10:29,359
and he would always tell me,
"I want you to
wear some panties
1291
01:10:29,393 --> 01:10:32,862
"or some stockings
with some heels on,
1292
01:10:32,896 --> 01:10:36,633
"and I want you to..."
you know, he'd want to
tie you up and put...
1293
01:10:36,666 --> 01:10:39,002
BROOMFIELD: So he would
do this to you while
you were babysitting?
1294
01:10:39,035 --> 01:10:41,805
Yeah. Yes.
1295
01:10:41,838 --> 01:10:46,310
He would wanna take
pictures of me, of poses,
1296
01:10:46,343 --> 01:10:50,947
you know, of very, like,
I would call it nasty.
1297
01:10:50,980 --> 01:10:53,817
But by me doing
the drugs with him...
1298
01:10:53,850 --> 01:10:55,952
Well, he didn't do drugs,
I did the drugs.
1299
01:10:55,985 --> 01:10:57,787
Drugs?
Yes.
1300
01:10:57,821 --> 01:11:02,859
So, you know,
as my addiction went on,
I would do whatever it took.
1301
01:11:02,892 --> 01:11:07,063
You know, and then...
But he started getting
like, aggressive with me.
1302
01:11:07,096 --> 01:11:09,999
You know, like
he would wanna choke me.
1303
01:11:10,033 --> 01:11:12,636
You know, as he
had me handcuffed,
1304
01:11:12,669 --> 01:11:15,639
and I would be telling him,
"Don't do that.
I don't like that."
1305
01:11:15,672 --> 01:11:19,008
You know, and he would always
wanna have anal sex.
1306
01:11:19,042 --> 01:11:23,913
He would put a doggie,
what do you call it, leash?
1307
01:11:23,947 --> 01:11:26,950
Like a collar.
Yeah, around my neck,
1308
01:11:26,983 --> 01:11:30,687
and would have sex with me
like I was a dog.
1309
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,923
After a while, it got
kinda sickening to me,
1310
01:11:33,957 --> 01:11:36,593
and I couldn't babysit
his son anymore
1311
01:11:36,626 --> 01:11:38,995
because I couldn't take
what Chris was going through,
1312
01:11:39,028 --> 01:11:42,098
you know, and I wanted
to report him but I didn't,
1313
01:11:42,131 --> 01:11:45,902
you know, because of
my addiction. So,
that's my story.
1314
01:11:45,935 --> 01:11:47,737
Unless you wanna know more.
1315
01:11:53,777 --> 01:11:56,646
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
This is Fernando, one of
Lonnie's close friends
1316
01:11:56,680 --> 01:12:00,950
who said Lonnie would joke
about killing crackheads
and cleaning up the streets.
1317
01:12:00,984 --> 01:12:04,020
But no one ever believed him.
1318
01:12:04,053 --> 01:12:07,591
BROOMFIELD: Where do you
think all the anger
and hate came from?
1319
01:12:07,624 --> 01:12:09,693
He said that
his first wife did it.
1320
01:12:10,694 --> 01:12:12,529
Made him hate women.
1321
01:12:12,562 --> 01:12:15,098
His first wife.
She's the one who did it.
1322
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:17,567
She hated...
1323
01:12:17,601 --> 01:12:20,737
He hated women
because of his first wife.
1324
01:12:20,770 --> 01:12:21,871
It's what she did to him.
1325
01:12:21,905 --> 01:12:23,607
I heard that she was
a street crackhead.
1326
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:25,775
Straight crackhead.
You come home,
1327
01:12:25,809 --> 01:12:27,644
He gave her the money.
1328
01:12:27,677 --> 01:12:30,013
He gave her the money
and she'd go spend it.
1329
01:12:30,046 --> 01:12:31,381
She'd go spend it on drugs.
1330
01:12:31,415 --> 01:12:32,649
Won't pay no bills.
Won't pay no bills.
1331
01:12:32,682 --> 01:12:34,384
BROOMFIELD: So he had
another wife.
1332
01:12:34,418 --> 01:12:36,686
No, this was his first wife.
His first wife.
1333
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:38,722
Lonnie's first wife.
1334
01:12:38,755 --> 01:12:41,425
Wife he got now,
she's cool.
She's straight up.
1335
01:12:41,458 --> 01:12:43,427
So what did
the first wife do?
1336
01:12:43,460 --> 01:12:45,061
You think she made him
hate women?
1337
01:12:45,094 --> 01:12:46,896
Yeah. I believe so.
I believe so.
1338
01:12:46,930 --> 01:12:48,865
I believe so too.
Deep in my heart,
I believe she did.
1339
01:12:48,898 --> 01:12:50,867
Yeah, he really loved her.
1340
01:12:50,900 --> 01:12:54,438
You know, in reality
Lonnie is a good guy, man.
He's a good guy.
1341
01:12:54,471 --> 01:12:57,006
He really is.
But it was something
inside of him,
1342
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,175
the hatred that
triggers him off.
1343
01:12:59,208 --> 01:13:00,944
Yeah.
That would trigger him.
1344
01:13:00,977 --> 01:13:03,547
I'd have to...
I don't know
how he did it...
1345
01:13:03,580 --> 01:13:06,483
What did he say
about his first wife?
1346
01:13:06,516 --> 01:13:08,918
He hated her.
He hated her.
1347
01:13:08,952 --> 01:13:10,319
He hated her.
1348
01:13:10,353 --> 01:13:14,524
If he'd see a woman
down the street who's
a crackhead... [WHOOPS]
1349
01:13:14,558 --> 01:13:16,893
Man.
"Come here. Come here."
1350
01:13:16,926 --> 01:13:19,829
What did he say
about crackheads?
1351
01:13:19,863 --> 01:13:21,931
He hated them.
He hated them.
1352
01:13:21,965 --> 01:13:24,568
He even hated men
that was on crack.
Yeah.
1353
01:13:24,601 --> 01:13:27,804
He... He wouldn't...
He didn't like drugs
and drinking at all.
1354
01:13:27,837 --> 01:13:30,039
He wouldn't... You know.
1355
01:13:30,073 --> 01:13:31,875
He'd look at you
like you're dirty.
1356
01:13:31,908 --> 01:13:34,644
Yeah. He would
look down on you.
1357
01:13:34,678 --> 01:13:36,846
Look down on you.
If you drink or smoke...
1358
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:38,482
He'd look down on you.
He'd look down on you.
1359
01:13:38,515 --> 01:13:41,918
He'd like nobody who
drink, smoke, nothing.
1360
01:13:41,951 --> 01:13:44,220
Nothing.
He wouldn't have
answered to you.
1361
01:13:44,253 --> 01:13:47,023
So why would he
give them crack?
1362
01:13:47,056 --> 01:13:49,726
He gave them crack
to get them in the car.
1363
01:13:51,628 --> 01:13:54,130
That's his thing
to get them in the car.
1364
01:13:54,163 --> 01:13:55,932
You see, you got...
I'mma tell you something, man.
1365
01:13:55,965 --> 01:14:00,103
You got women walk
up and down Western
24/7, midnight.
1366
01:14:00,136 --> 01:14:02,438
Western, Florence, Figueroa,
1367
01:14:03,139 --> 01:14:04,574
looking for crack,
1368
01:14:05,041 --> 01:14:07,777
or money or a treat.
1369
01:14:07,811 --> 01:14:10,647
There's a lot of the men...
All of them are on crack.
1370
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:14,684
But they don't know
they messing
with the wrong man.
1371
01:14:14,718 --> 01:14:16,252
[BOTH LAUGH]
1372
01:14:16,285 --> 01:14:21,090
That boy, you get
in his car, you ain't
coming back out.
1373
01:14:21,124 --> 01:14:23,092
You ain't coming
unless you're dead.
1374
01:14:33,236 --> 01:14:35,204
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
I got a message from Richard.
1375
01:14:35,238 --> 01:14:37,541
He said he'd just got
out of the hospital
1376
01:14:37,574 --> 01:14:40,810
after being beaten up
by Lonnie's son, Christopher.
1377
01:14:43,547 --> 01:14:44,814
BROOMFIELD: Hey, Richard.
1378
01:14:46,583 --> 01:14:51,020
When did you first notice
something weird was going on?
1379
01:14:51,054 --> 01:14:55,825
When I first walked up to him,
he was standing there
waiting on me.
1380
01:14:55,859 --> 01:14:58,862
When I walked up,
well, he said,"Man,
1381
01:14:58,895 --> 01:15:00,797
"I heard you've been
talking bad about my dad."
1382
01:15:00,830 --> 01:15:01,998
And he looked
down the street,
1383
01:15:02,031 --> 01:15:04,634
and I turned around and looked,
and I see four guys coming.
1384
01:15:04,668 --> 01:15:08,672
So, and I turned back
to him, he's backing up.
1385
01:15:08,705 --> 01:15:12,208
And they walked up to me.
One swung and he missed me.
1386
01:15:12,241 --> 01:15:13,409
The other ones started hitting
1387
01:15:13,442 --> 01:15:16,646
and as I'm looking to see
if Chris was gonna help me,
1388
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:20,183
Chris was getting in the car.
He got in the car and drove off.
1389
01:15:20,216 --> 01:15:22,986
It's the police
in front of you.
You got your seat belt on?
1390
01:15:23,019 --> 01:15:25,154
Put your seat belt on.
The police have just seen you.
1391
01:15:25,188 --> 01:15:27,123
He just saw...
He just looked
in your car.
1392
01:15:30,627 --> 01:15:33,897
Is he turning around?
No. Don't think so.
1393
01:15:33,930 --> 01:15:37,233
On the motorcycle.
I don't think so.
1394
01:15:37,266 --> 01:15:38,835
[SIREN WAILING]
1395
01:15:40,103 --> 01:15:41,304
POLICEMAN: How you doin'?
Hi.
1396
01:15:41,337 --> 01:15:42,438
POLICEMAN: You're gonna stop
what you're doing, sir,
1397
01:15:42,471 --> 01:15:44,841
as your right front passenger
had no seat belt on...
1398
01:15:44,874 --> 01:15:48,144
He's filming me, sir.
He's filming a documentary.
1399
01:15:48,177 --> 01:15:49,713
POLICEMAN: ID, sir?
1400
01:15:49,746 --> 01:15:51,014
[INDISTINCT RADIO CHATTER]
1401
01:15:54,984 --> 01:15:57,320
Give your registration
and insurance as well please.
1402
01:15:57,353 --> 01:15:59,956
My registration. Okay.
1403
01:15:59,989 --> 01:16:01,658
Richard, are you okay?
1404
01:16:01,691 --> 01:16:03,693
I'm okay. Just getting
a breather.
1405
01:16:03,727 --> 01:16:05,929
Where did they kick you?
Everywhere.
1406
01:16:05,962 --> 01:16:07,363
Like where?
Everywhere.
1407
01:16:07,396 --> 01:16:08,665
My ribs...
1408
01:16:08,698 --> 01:16:12,268
They tried to hit me
in the face, but I was
down like this.
1409
01:16:12,301 --> 01:16:14,638
But I don't know how
they did my jaw like that.
1410
01:16:14,671 --> 01:16:19,242
No, they got balls in here
to keep me from
biting too hard.
1411
01:16:21,310 --> 01:16:25,114
Were you involved in
the Grim Sleeper case at all?
1412
01:16:25,148 --> 01:16:26,215
POLICEMAN: No, sir.
1413
01:16:26,249 --> 01:16:28,885
That's why it was
so important to me
1414
01:16:28,918 --> 01:16:31,921
that nobody knows
or see you in the neighborhood.
1415
01:16:31,955 --> 01:16:34,691
So you think he'd do
that to me, what'd he
have done to you guys?
1416
01:16:34,724 --> 01:16:36,926
Do you think he'll do something?
I know he will.
1417
01:16:44,100 --> 01:16:45,935
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
We ran into Jerry.
1418
01:16:45,969 --> 01:16:48,972
He's living homeless
on the streets now.
1419
01:16:49,005 --> 01:16:50,373
How's it going, fellas?
1420
01:16:51,808 --> 01:16:53,076
How's it going, Nick?
How's it going?
1421
01:16:53,109 --> 01:16:55,144
How are you doing?
Okay.
1422
01:16:55,178 --> 01:16:57,246
I thought you were
staying with gang buddies.
1423
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,849
Who that?
On 80 something...
1424
01:16:59,883 --> 01:17:01,417
85th?
Yeah.
1425
01:17:01,450 --> 01:17:04,788
Yeah, I was, but it was
too much trouble over there,
too much hanging out.
1426
01:17:04,821 --> 01:17:07,356
You know, me,
I don't like crowds,
1427
01:17:07,390 --> 01:17:09,392
because it's easy to get in,
1428
01:17:09,425 --> 01:17:12,796
plus the police try to
come around more and more
over there.
1429
01:17:12,829 --> 01:17:15,799
You know, because there's
a lot of guys hanging out.
1430
01:17:15,832 --> 01:17:20,804
So I'm just on the streets now.
1431
01:17:20,837 --> 01:17:23,907
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Jerry knew most of the women
picked up by Lonnie,
1432
01:17:23,940 --> 01:17:26,375
but he still hasn't been
interviewed by police.
1433
01:17:26,409 --> 01:17:30,814
BROOMFIELD: Did you get
a feeling that he hated them?
1434
01:17:30,847 --> 01:17:34,718
Yeah, he would torture
a lot of women. A lot of them.
He will.
1435
01:17:34,751 --> 01:17:38,187
I mean, there had been
times I was there
when he tortured them.
1436
01:17:38,221 --> 01:17:40,356
You know, they'd howl
and start crying,
1437
01:17:40,389 --> 01:17:44,694
and he thought it was fun,
he laughed, gave me that
little funny grin,
1438
01:17:44,728 --> 01:17:46,162
or he'd wink an eye at me
1439
01:17:46,195 --> 01:17:50,266
and let me know that, you know,
he's just having fun.
1440
01:17:50,299 --> 01:17:53,770
He never did show me no...
1441
01:17:53,803 --> 01:17:56,806
How can I say this,
that he was killing.
1442
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:58,374
I didn't see that in him,
1443
01:17:58,407 --> 01:18:01,978
but I knew that he was
torturing them a lot.
1444
01:18:02,011 --> 01:18:05,181
And when I'm saying a lot,
I mean a lot of young ladies.
1445
01:18:06,883 --> 01:18:08,151
You know...
How many would you say?
1446
01:18:08,184 --> 01:18:09,919
Huh?
How many?
1447
01:18:09,953 --> 01:18:13,456
I gotta say... Ooh, I mean,
we used to go out every week.
1448
01:18:13,489 --> 01:18:14,690
Every day.
1449
01:18:14,724 --> 01:18:17,761
And weekends. We have...
Weekends were just fun
for us.
1450
01:18:17,794 --> 01:18:19,963
'Cause like I said,
there's a lot of strawberries,
1451
01:18:19,996 --> 01:18:22,198
lot of females like
dealing cocaine.
1452
01:18:22,231 --> 01:18:25,735
They call it crack,
and they'd do anything.
1453
01:18:25,769 --> 01:18:27,503
I mean, we done
picked the females,
1454
01:18:27,536 --> 01:18:29,873
then we done gave
two dollars, both of us
to fuck,
1455
01:18:29,906 --> 01:18:31,274
and we gave her two dollars.
1456
01:18:32,842 --> 01:18:36,345
You know, I can't sit here
and make no stuff up,
1457
01:18:36,379 --> 01:18:37,981
because I was there.
1458
01:18:38,014 --> 01:18:42,518
Actually, myself, I was there.
And I know what we did.
1459
01:18:42,551 --> 01:18:45,154
And what did he like
to do with the girls?
1460
01:18:45,188 --> 01:18:47,490
He liked to
be rough with them.
1461
01:18:47,523 --> 01:18:49,525
Like I said, fuck them
in the ass, all that.
1462
01:18:49,558 --> 01:18:53,797
And you know, sticking those
thick balls and them sticks,
1463
01:18:53,830 --> 01:18:55,464
screwdrivers up in them,
you know.
1464
01:18:55,498 --> 01:18:59,335
He would stick the handles
of the screwdrivers, stick it
in them and fuck 'em.
1465
01:18:59,368 --> 01:19:02,806
You know? Or he'd take
the screwdriver and just ram
them in the ass with it.
1466
01:19:02,839 --> 01:19:04,473
You know. I had seen it.
1467
01:19:04,507 --> 01:19:06,542
But, you know, I thought
like, "Shit."
1468
01:19:06,575 --> 01:19:09,112
At the time, I was
still smoking
while he was doing it.
1469
01:19:09,145 --> 01:19:12,949
And it didn't bother me
'cause I was on crack.
1470
01:19:15,284 --> 01:19:20,423
You know, there have been times
I actually asked God to
forgive me for what I did,
1471
01:19:20,456 --> 01:19:24,193
you know, but I knew for a fact
I didn't kill 'em.
1472
01:19:25,962 --> 01:19:31,400
* Oh, Lord
1473
01:19:31,434 --> 01:19:35,104
* How excellent
1474
01:19:38,007 --> 01:19:40,443
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Police say that
Enietra Washington
1475
01:19:40,476 --> 01:19:43,312
is the Grim Sleeper's sole
surviving witness.
1476
01:19:43,346 --> 01:19:47,851
* How excellent
1477
01:19:47,884 --> 01:19:51,888
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
It was Saturday night
November the 20th, 1988.
1478
01:19:51,921 --> 01:19:54,891
Enietra was going to a party
at a friend's house.
1479
01:19:54,924 --> 01:19:56,092
Then make a right.
1480
01:19:58,427 --> 01:20:02,866
Okay. Right here is
the corner store. I was
walking around the corner.
1481
01:20:02,899 --> 01:20:05,534
BROOMFIELD: This store here?
1482
01:20:05,568 --> 01:20:08,304
ENIETRA: And the car was parked
where the little white car is.
1483
01:20:08,337 --> 01:20:09,472
BROOMFIELD: Uh-huh.
1484
01:20:09,505 --> 01:20:13,242
ENIETRA: I didn't see him,
I saw his car.
1485
01:20:14,110 --> 01:20:16,980
His car was a Pinto.
1486
01:20:17,013 --> 01:20:18,247
I said, "That's
really remarkable,"
1487
01:20:18,281 --> 01:20:21,985
'cause I ain't seen a Pinto
in like, years.
1488
01:20:23,386 --> 01:20:26,155
I guess he saw me
looking at his car.
1489
01:20:26,189 --> 01:20:27,623
He asked me
where I was going,
1490
01:20:27,656 --> 01:20:30,226
and I said,"Oh,
I'm going to a party.
1491
01:20:30,259 --> 01:20:33,496
"I'm going around
my girlfriend's house
to let her do my hair."
1492
01:20:33,529 --> 01:20:35,631
And he says, "Come on,
I'll take you."
1493
01:20:35,664 --> 01:20:38,167
BROOMFIELD: And then
at what point did he
pull the gun at you?
1494
01:20:38,201 --> 01:20:40,236
When he turned the corner.
1495
01:20:40,269 --> 01:20:44,240
All right. So you just
got around the corner?
1496
01:20:44,273 --> 01:20:47,944
And I was...
Yeah, we had just...
He just like got in the car,
1497
01:20:47,977 --> 01:20:49,979
pulled out, and
the next thing
I knew, it was...
1498
01:20:50,013 --> 01:20:52,381
He said, like I said,
he said something to me,
1499
01:20:52,415 --> 01:20:55,518
and I turned to ask him
was he saying something,
1500
01:20:55,551 --> 01:20:57,153
And everything
got really quiet.
1501
01:20:57,186 --> 01:21:00,489
And I was going,
"Okay, what happened here?"
1502
01:21:00,523 --> 01:21:03,226
You know, talking to myself,
then I heard him say...
1503
01:21:03,259 --> 01:21:04,460
I turned my head
to say something,
1504
01:21:04,493 --> 01:21:07,096
and he said, "Bitch,
I'll shoot you again."
1505
01:21:07,130 --> 01:21:09,665
I said, "[GASPS]
You shot me?"
1506
01:21:09,698 --> 01:21:11,100
Guess I must have passed out.
Were you bleeding?
1507
01:21:11,134 --> 01:21:14,971
Yeah. I must have passed out
and I didn't know
I passed out, but no...
1508
01:21:15,004 --> 01:21:19,108
All of a sudden, I felt
pressure on me, and I kinda
like whatever got me out of it,
1509
01:21:19,142 --> 01:21:21,210
he was on top,
and I was there fighting him.
1510
01:21:21,244 --> 01:21:23,146
And at what point
did he rape you?
1511
01:21:23,179 --> 01:21:25,181
I don't know.
I passed out by then,
1512
01:21:25,214 --> 01:21:26,515
and I didn't even know
I passed out.
1513
01:21:26,549 --> 01:21:29,585
Like I said, I woke up
to the pressure that was
upon my chest.
1514
01:21:29,618 --> 01:21:32,055
That was hurting me so bad.
1515
01:21:32,088 --> 01:21:34,623
Was he raping you then?
1516
01:21:34,657 --> 01:21:38,995
Or he just got through,
probably, and I was
pushing him off.
1517
01:21:44,367 --> 01:21:47,170
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
The bullet taken from
Enietra's chest,
1518
01:21:47,203 --> 01:21:51,174
a .25 caliber, was found
by ballistics experts
1519
01:21:51,207 --> 01:21:52,976
to have been fired
from the same gun
1520
01:21:53,009 --> 01:21:57,613
that was used in the murder
of eight other women
in the very same area.
1521
01:21:57,646 --> 01:22:01,985
But this information
was not released
for another 20 years.
1522
01:22:04,020 --> 01:22:06,622
The murders themselves,
all involving black women
1523
01:22:06,655 --> 01:22:08,491
from the South Central area
1524
01:22:08,524 --> 01:22:10,726
weren't reported
in the LA Times,
1525
01:22:10,759 --> 01:22:14,197
and didn't even make it
into the local news.
1526
01:22:14,230 --> 01:22:17,200
The investigation moved
at a snail's pace
1527
01:22:17,233 --> 01:22:19,568
despite pressure from
the Black Coalition.
1528
01:22:21,604 --> 01:22:25,008
We had to press through
sort of political connections
1529
01:22:25,041 --> 01:22:27,610
to get somewhere from
the sheriff's department
to the table
1530
01:22:27,643 --> 01:22:29,312
and all they could tell us is
"We have a bullet,
1531
01:22:29,345 --> 01:22:35,384
"and we are waiting for
the gun that shot the bullet
to come through the station."
1532
01:22:35,418 --> 01:22:37,186
Like, really?
1533
01:22:37,220 --> 01:22:39,555
What kind of
police work is that?
1534
01:22:39,588 --> 01:22:43,692
If you think that this person
has killed just these 11 people,
1535
01:22:43,726 --> 01:22:45,694
let's not even worry about
what Margaret's talking about.
1536
01:22:45,728 --> 01:22:47,463
Let's just take these 11.
1537
01:22:47,496 --> 01:22:50,299
'You're waiting for the gun
1538
01:22:50,333 --> 01:22:55,104
"to come, you know, dressed
fashionably and walk in
to the station?"
1539
01:22:55,138 --> 01:22:57,306
This is how I was
talking to the detectives
in the meeting.
1540
01:22:57,340 --> 01:23:02,678
And say "Hey, here I am.
Match me to the bullet
if you can."
1541
01:23:02,711 --> 01:23:03,712
It's not gonna happen.
1542
01:23:03,746 --> 01:23:08,151
There was no movement
on the sheriff's end.
1543
01:23:08,184 --> 01:23:12,155
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Enietra Washington should have
been invaluable to the police.
1544
01:23:12,188 --> 01:23:17,126
She was able to describe
the Grim Sleeper's car,
the Pinto, in detail,
1545
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:19,462
the same orange-colored Pinto
1546
01:23:19,495 --> 01:23:22,565
that Mary Lowe,
the Grim Sleeper's
previous victim,
1547
01:23:22,598 --> 01:23:25,068
was seen getting into
by a witness.
1548
01:23:26,802 --> 01:23:29,172
Enietra was also
able to bring detectives
1549
01:23:29,205 --> 01:23:33,442
to the very street that
Lonnie Franklin lived,
1550
01:23:33,476 --> 01:23:37,546
the street that he would
be arrested in 22 years later.
1551
01:23:37,580 --> 01:23:41,117
All I remember is
the side way that he
walked around to the side.
1552
01:23:41,150 --> 01:23:43,652
Um, it wasn't made like this,
but I believe,
1553
01:23:43,686 --> 01:23:46,122
I believe it was
this house right here.
1554
01:23:46,155 --> 01:23:48,191
They painted it
'cause it was green.
1555
01:23:48,224 --> 01:23:52,161
BROOMFIELD:
So this is Lonnie's house,
and basically you told them...
1556
01:23:52,195 --> 01:23:53,729
ENIETRA: Yeah,
it was two houses down.
1557
01:23:53,762 --> 01:23:59,135
BROOMFIELD: You thought it was
not this house but the next one.
ENIETRA: Right.
1558
01:23:59,168 --> 01:24:02,105
BROOMFIELD: This one here.
ENIETRA: Right.
1559
01:24:02,138 --> 01:24:04,273
BROOMFIELD: And it then
took the police another...
1560
01:24:05,774 --> 01:24:08,177
twenty years
to find Lonnie's house.
1561
01:24:08,211 --> 01:24:10,146
ENIETRA: Right.
1562
01:24:10,179 --> 01:24:13,816
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Enietra also provided
the sketch of the Grim Sleeper
1563
01:24:13,849 --> 01:24:16,685
which wasn't released
until 2009,
1564
01:24:16,719 --> 01:24:21,624
after the LA Weekly had
already revealed there was
a serial killer on the loose.
1565
01:24:21,657 --> 01:24:24,560
Police told me that
Enietra at the time
1566
01:24:24,593 --> 01:24:27,130
was regarded as unreliable.
1567
01:24:27,163 --> 01:24:31,600
Every black woman
is a hooker, didn't you know?
[LAUGHS]
1568
01:24:31,634 --> 01:24:34,670
BROOMFIELD: And so they
didn't take anything
she said seriously.
1569
01:24:34,703 --> 01:24:37,606
No, I mean, they got a sketch.
But what did they do
with the sketch?
1570
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:38,741
They didn't show
the sketch to us.
1571
01:24:38,774 --> 01:24:43,112
We didn't see that thing
until over a decade later.
1572
01:24:43,146 --> 01:24:45,781
You know,
just the basic things
that you do.
1573
01:24:45,814 --> 01:24:47,816
You know,
just the basic things
that you do.
1574
01:24:47,850 --> 01:24:52,621
When we talked to the detective
in one of the meetings,
he was saying that
1575
01:24:52,655 --> 01:24:55,291
they did not
put out a sketch
1576
01:24:56,259 --> 01:24:59,728
because eyewitness
sketches often
1577
01:24:59,762 --> 01:25:02,865
are not that, um, reliable.
1578
01:25:02,898 --> 01:25:04,467
And so, that's why
they didn't put it out.
1579
01:25:04,500 --> 01:25:08,537
I said, "Ooh, can I use you
as an expert witness at my
criminal defense cases
1580
01:25:08,571 --> 01:25:10,773
"where my clients
are picked up
1581
01:25:10,806 --> 01:25:13,242
"based on eyewitness sketches
1582
01:25:13,276 --> 01:25:17,246
"because strangely, they're
super-reliable then."
1583
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:19,448
You know, you guys
get up there and say,
1584
01:25:19,482 --> 01:25:24,653
"Look, the eyewitness gave us
the description, and we
turned it into a sketch,
1585
01:25:24,687 --> 01:25:29,858
"and it was close in time,
and so, this is what
the person must look like."
1586
01:25:29,892 --> 01:25:33,262
Now you're telling me that
these eyewitness sketches,
they're not for nothing?
1587
01:25:33,296 --> 01:25:38,267
This is wonderful.
Give me your card.
I need this information.
1588
01:25:38,301 --> 01:25:39,602
Come on!
1589
01:25:42,371 --> 01:25:45,208
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Twenty-five years after
the killing began,
1590
01:25:45,241 --> 01:25:50,713
Lonnie Franklin was finally
arrested in July 2010.
1591
01:25:50,746 --> 01:25:53,916
ANTONIO VILLARAIGOSA:
One man preyed on the innocent,
1592
01:25:53,949 --> 01:25:58,354
stole the lives of women
living in some of
our toughest neighborhoods.
1593
01:25:58,387 --> 01:26:00,423
Today, I'm proud to announce
1594
01:26:00,456 --> 01:26:03,959
that this terror has
finally come to an end.
1595
01:26:03,992 --> 01:26:05,328
WOMAN: Amen.
1596
01:26:05,361 --> 01:26:07,330
[APPLAUSE]
1597
01:26:12,335 --> 01:26:16,272
Thanks to the recent
use of DNA evidence,
1598
01:26:16,305 --> 01:26:22,845
and even more importantly,
two decades of exhaustive
detective work,
1599
01:26:22,878 --> 01:26:26,882
25 years of reviewing
and reexamining evidence...
1600
01:26:26,915 --> 01:26:30,453
BROOMFIELD: So what
was your reaction
to that press conference?
1601
01:26:30,486 --> 01:26:33,689
[LAUGHS] Oh,
the congratulatory one,
1602
01:26:33,722 --> 01:26:37,826
where Jerry Brown was there?
This was before
he was elected governor.
1603
01:26:37,860 --> 01:26:41,264
I thought it was quite a show.
1604
01:26:41,297 --> 01:26:43,466
And that's one of the reasons
I took the mic.
1605
01:26:43,499 --> 01:26:44,600
Can I just...
1606
01:26:44,633 --> 01:26:46,235
Can I just add to that?
1607
01:26:46,269 --> 01:26:47,503
I'm Margaret Prescod,
1608
01:26:47,536 --> 01:26:50,639
founder of the Black Coalition
Fighting Back Serial Murders.
1609
01:26:50,673 --> 01:26:53,008
For us, it's been since 1985.
1610
01:26:53,041 --> 01:26:54,277
I have a file here
1611
01:26:54,310 --> 01:26:58,547
of documents going back
to 1985 that
were linear graphed.
1612
01:26:58,581 --> 01:27:01,750
It's a very emotional
time for us.
1613
01:27:01,784 --> 01:27:04,587
Detective Kilcoyne,
I'm not gonna get
up here and attack you.
1614
01:27:04,620 --> 01:27:06,755
I know that we've
been critical, and...
1615
01:27:06,789 --> 01:27:09,292
PRESCOD: I think
they were a bit shocked.
1616
01:27:09,325 --> 01:27:10,593
I don't think
the police chief
1617
01:27:10,626 --> 01:27:13,429
have had anybody
take the mic from him before.
1618
01:27:13,462 --> 01:27:18,434
If I were them,
I would have done that
whole thing a lot differently.
1619
01:27:18,467 --> 01:27:21,537
But, you know, they wanted
a whole PR job,
1620
01:27:21,570 --> 01:27:23,539
they wanted to
pat themselves on the back,
1621
01:27:23,572 --> 01:27:27,042
they were the greatest thing
since sliced white bread,
1622
01:27:27,075 --> 01:27:32,548
and to really cover up
all of what had gone on before,
1623
01:27:32,581 --> 01:27:35,351
that was a big show,
giving the impression
1624
01:27:35,384 --> 01:27:38,487
that they were on the case,
and now they had their guy.
1625
01:27:38,521 --> 01:27:40,823
Yesterday...
1626
01:27:40,856 --> 01:27:46,629
Yesterday the LAPD arrested
Lonnie David Franklin Jr.
1627
01:27:46,662 --> 01:27:49,932
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
I contacted Mayor Villaraigosa
for an interview
1628
01:27:49,965 --> 01:27:53,736
to get the city's point of view
on the Grim Sleeper case.
1629
01:27:53,769 --> 01:27:55,571
I received this reply.
1630
01:27:56,405 --> 01:27:58,974
[BROOMFIELD READING OUT]
1631
01:28:06,014 --> 01:28:09,818
I also tried to contact
LA police chief, Charlie Beck,
1632
01:28:10,519 --> 01:28:12,755
who wrote back.
1633
01:28:12,788 --> 01:28:15,558
"The Department has
revisited your request
1634
01:28:15,591 --> 01:28:19,662
"and subsequently decided
against granting an interview.
1635
01:28:19,695 --> 01:28:23,966
"Given that the primary area
of interest would be
the Lonnie Franklin case,
1636
01:28:23,999 --> 01:28:26,802
"neither the Chief
nor any criminologists
1637
01:28:26,835 --> 01:28:29,638
"from our Scientific
Investigation Division
1638
01:28:29,672 --> 01:28:32,708
"will be available
for comment."
1639
01:28:32,741 --> 01:28:36,612
We asked Dennis Kilcoyne,
head of the Grim Sleeper
Task Force
1640
01:28:36,645 --> 01:28:39,081
and his replacement,
Daryn Dupree,
1641
01:28:39,114 --> 01:28:42,117
repeatedly over a year
for an interview,
1642
01:28:42,150 --> 01:28:43,852
but they both refused.
1643
01:28:43,886 --> 01:28:46,722
We have done
our job correctly...
1644
01:28:46,755 --> 01:28:49,525
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Margaret Prescod and
the Black Coalition
1645
01:28:49,558 --> 01:28:52,828
held their own press conference
to put the record straight.
1646
01:28:52,861 --> 01:28:57,566
PRESCOD: We're here
to say loud and clear
that every life is of value.
1647
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:58,667
Could you imagine
1648
01:28:58,701 --> 01:29:01,704
if these murders
had happened
in Beverly Hills?
1649
01:29:21,824 --> 01:29:24,660
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
When Lonnie Franklin was
finally arrested,
1650
01:29:24,693 --> 01:29:26,094
it was by accident,
1651
01:29:26,128 --> 01:29:28,964
and through his son
Christopher's DNA.
1652
01:29:33,135 --> 01:29:35,438
GARY: Lonnie was a breast man.
He loved breasts.
1653
01:29:35,471 --> 01:29:37,205
That's what they got
the DNA from.
1654
01:29:37,239 --> 01:29:42,144
On the bodies and stuff,
they said the dead bodies,
you know, the DNA,
1655
01:29:42,177 --> 01:29:46,615
he had been sucking
their breasts, and that's
where the DNA is from.
1656
01:29:46,649 --> 01:29:48,984
Now, like I said,
do you know the story?
1657
01:29:49,017 --> 01:29:53,422
The way that they supposed
to have caught Lonnie
was through his son Chris.
1658
01:29:53,456 --> 01:29:54,790
Chris was arrested.
1659
01:29:54,823 --> 01:29:56,124
Chris' DNA.
1660
01:29:56,158 --> 01:29:58,527
They take your DNA
when you get arrested now.
1661
01:29:58,561 --> 01:30:00,729
Chris' DNA, they saying,"Hey.
1662
01:30:00,763 --> 01:30:03,031
"This DNA match..."
1663
01:30:03,065 --> 01:30:05,601
BROOMFIELD:
Almost a perfect match.
Almost a perfect match
1664
01:30:05,634 --> 01:30:07,836
to these bodies and stuff
that they have.
1665
01:30:07,870 --> 01:30:13,542
So they're saying it had
to be an uncle or a father...
1666
01:30:13,576 --> 01:30:16,044
A close family member.
A close family member.
1667
01:30:16,078 --> 01:30:20,616
And then that's how
they got him. From Lonnie
to his son, you know.
1668
01:30:20,649 --> 01:30:22,084
And they said, "Ooh,
it's a match to Lonnie,"
1669
01:30:22,117 --> 01:30:24,219
and they followed Lonnie
to this pizza place.
1670
01:30:24,252 --> 01:30:26,789
and he was eating pizza
at the pizza parlor,
1671
01:30:26,822 --> 01:30:32,027
and then they got the DNA
from an empty cup
that he was drinking out of.
1672
01:30:32,060 --> 01:30:34,096
And bam, they arrested him.
1673
01:30:34,129 --> 01:30:35,964
They came to the house
and they arrested him.
1674
01:30:35,998 --> 01:30:37,700
That's how they got
the DNA through him.
1675
01:30:37,733 --> 01:30:39,201
And then the DNA on the girl,
1676
01:30:39,234 --> 01:30:40,536
that's where
the DNA come from,
1677
01:30:40,569 --> 01:30:43,472
'cause Lonnie was
a titty sucker.
He loves to suck titty.
1678
01:30:55,851 --> 01:30:59,021
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
That's Lonnie Franklin walking
around in the pizza parlor
1679
01:30:59,054 --> 01:31:02,024
just before his piece of pizza
was taken by police
1680
01:31:02,057 --> 01:31:04,693
and used for DNA analysis.
1681
01:31:06,895 --> 01:31:08,531
Four years later in court,
1682
01:31:08,564 --> 01:31:12,801
Lonnie's lawyers are
arguing that the DNA
was incorrectly seized,
1683
01:31:12,835 --> 01:31:15,504
and therefore,
can't be used as evidence
1684
01:31:15,538 --> 01:31:18,707
as it is a violation of
his Fourth Amendment right.
1685
01:31:18,741 --> 01:31:23,912
It is our issue
that Mr. Franklin
1686
01:31:23,946 --> 01:31:28,517
allowed his bodily fluid
1687
01:31:28,551 --> 01:31:32,588
to be taken under control
from what he thought was
a restaurant employee.
1688
01:31:32,621 --> 01:31:34,957
He believed it was
going to be mixed,
1689
01:31:34,990 --> 01:31:37,693
so the individualization of it
1690
01:31:37,726 --> 01:31:41,263
would be no longer identified,
1691
01:31:41,296 --> 01:31:43,799
and the general public would
no longer have access to it
1692
01:31:43,832 --> 01:31:46,301
until it was
put into a container
1693
01:31:46,334 --> 01:31:50,773
when you cannot identify
individually for himself.
1694
01:31:50,806 --> 01:31:51,907
Okay, what do you feel?
1695
01:31:51,940 --> 01:31:54,843
I felt it was gonna be mixed
with the rest of the trash.
1696
01:31:54,877 --> 01:31:58,981
Okay. And, um...
And then what did you think
1697
01:31:59,014 --> 01:32:01,917
would happen to it
once it was mixed with
the rest of the trash?
1698
01:32:01,950 --> 01:32:04,086
It would be disposed off.
Okay.
1699
01:32:04,119 --> 01:32:07,956
And what do you mean
by "disposed off"?
1700
01:32:07,990 --> 01:32:11,594
Thrown away.
Just disposed off.
1701
01:32:11,627 --> 01:32:14,663
You know, got rid of,
in the trash.
Okay.
1702
01:32:14,697 --> 01:32:19,067
Individually or collectively?
Collectively.
1703
01:32:19,101 --> 01:32:21,003
And "collectively,"
what do you mean?
With other...
1704
01:32:21,036 --> 01:32:24,239
With other people's trash.
Okay.
1705
01:32:24,272 --> 01:32:27,776
JUDGE: I've never heard of
the term "informed consent"
1706
01:32:27,810 --> 01:32:30,679
when it comes to
eating food at a restaurant
1707
01:32:30,713 --> 01:32:34,650
and having your items
cleared from the table.
You know, that's...
1708
01:32:36,652 --> 01:32:39,021
really out there, Mr. Amster.
1709
01:32:39,054 --> 01:32:44,627
So I'm gonna find that
once those items were
put into the trash,
1710
01:32:44,660 --> 01:32:47,596
and taken from the table,
1711
01:32:47,630 --> 01:32:54,236
he no longer had
Fourth Amendment interest
in those items anymore.
1712
01:32:54,269 --> 01:32:58,073
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Lonnie's lawyers are accused
of stalling to delay the trial.
1713
01:32:58,106 --> 01:33:01,744
I don't understand
what he's been
doing for a year.
1714
01:33:01,777 --> 01:33:06,248
We have the July trial date.
We're planning on going forward.
1715
01:33:06,281 --> 01:33:08,851
What is the date
when they'll be done
with the DNA?
1716
01:33:08,884 --> 01:33:11,687
I don't know.
That's not
an acceptable answer.
1717
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:13,255
Well, that's the answer
I'm giving.
1718
01:33:13,288 --> 01:33:15,257
Well, I'm asking
the court to...
1719
01:33:15,290 --> 01:33:17,359
Um, if we can't get...
1720
01:33:17,392 --> 01:33:18,861
I've never heard
of this before,
1721
01:33:18,894 --> 01:33:20,763
Well, I'm sorry, Your Honor.
1722
01:33:20,796 --> 01:33:22,731
If Your Honor wants
to make a motion,
1723
01:33:22,765 --> 01:33:24,132
to terminate me
from this case,
1724
01:33:24,166 --> 01:33:27,302
that will deter me
from, Judge Almeida,
I will be done with this thing.
1725
01:33:27,335 --> 01:33:30,706
But I am pushing this.
I've got 18 murder sheets,
1726
01:33:30,739 --> 01:33:33,308
I'm pushing this as far
as fast as I can,
1727
01:33:33,341 --> 01:33:36,011
I am putting other cases
out of the way,
1728
01:33:36,044 --> 01:33:39,114
and if the court thinks
there's somebody else
that can do it faster,
1729
01:33:39,147 --> 01:33:41,116
then let the court make
the decision on this.
1730
01:33:45,688 --> 01:33:46,922
Twenty-six...
1731
01:33:52,227 --> 01:33:54,096
Where is it?
1732
01:33:54,129 --> 01:33:56,732
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Lonnie's son Chris called Pam.
1733
01:33:56,765 --> 01:33:58,266
He wanted to meet up.
1734
01:34:00,002 --> 01:34:02,738
Where do want? Twenty...
1735
01:34:02,771 --> 01:34:06,308
Just a minute.
Let me get it together.
1736
01:34:09,712 --> 01:34:13,181
There you go.
In the corner right there.
1737
01:34:13,215 --> 01:34:15,017
Where?
Right there now.
A Honda.
1738
01:34:15,050 --> 01:34:16,084
There. He's sitting there.
1739
01:34:16,118 --> 01:34:17,920
I told you.
That's his green car.
1740
01:34:23,291 --> 01:34:24,693
So that's him.
1741
01:34:30,298 --> 01:34:31,767
Howdy.
1742
01:34:34,269 --> 01:34:35,971
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Christopher said his father
1743
01:34:36,004 --> 01:34:38,106
had a lot of fans
in law enforcement
1744
01:34:38,140 --> 01:34:40,876
who admired him
for cleaning up the streets.
1745
01:34:40,909 --> 01:34:45,113
My dad has a lot of fans
in fucking jail systems and...
1746
01:34:45,147 --> 01:34:47,449
fuckin' weirdos
in the street,
1747
01:34:48,016 --> 01:34:49,251
uh...
1748
01:34:50,786 --> 01:34:52,187
BROOMFIELD: Really?
1749
01:34:52,220 --> 01:34:53,655
There's a lot of sick people
out there. He got
a lot of fan mail.
1750
01:34:53,688 --> 01:34:58,460
It's crazy, man. People...
I've walked into sheriffs
that were like,
1751
01:34:58,493 --> 01:35:01,730
glorified that they were
able to talk to me.
1752
01:35:01,764 --> 01:35:05,100
"Oh, you're his son?
Dude, that's fucking crazy."
1753
01:35:05,133 --> 01:35:07,169
And you know,
I got all pumped up,
1754
01:35:07,202 --> 01:35:08,336
and I'm just
sitting there like,
1755
01:35:08,370 --> 01:35:10,272
"Please put me on
protective custody
away from you
1756
01:35:10,305 --> 01:35:12,140
"and the other fools
over there."
1757
01:35:13,809 --> 01:35:15,978
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Chris was a prisoner himself
1758
01:35:16,011 --> 01:35:19,247
for the very offense for which
his DNA was taken,
1759
01:35:19,281 --> 01:35:23,218
leading to Lonnie's arrest,
when they both met in prison.
1760
01:35:23,251 --> 01:35:26,021
Did you feel guilty
about the DNA?
1761
01:35:26,054 --> 01:35:28,791
DNA. Fuck, man!
1762
01:35:28,824 --> 01:35:31,760
Like three years, man.
I just got over that.
1763
01:35:32,895 --> 01:35:36,899
I just got over that
probably this year.
1764
01:35:36,932 --> 01:35:39,367
Oh, yeah, you gotta
deal with the people.
1765
01:35:39,401 --> 01:35:42,237
The people,
the people are...
For me, man...
1766
01:35:42,270 --> 01:35:45,273
I didn't know how to
deal with that because
I'm from a line where
1767
01:35:45,307 --> 01:35:47,409
we don't have no snitches.
1768
01:35:47,442 --> 01:35:52,080
Nobody is a tattletale.
What do you do?
This is not third grade.
1769
01:35:52,114 --> 01:35:56,518
But people, they look at me
like that, like, oh,
told on my dad, like...
1770
01:35:56,551 --> 01:36:01,389
If I would have known,
I don't even think I...
I wouldn't have told.
1771
01:36:04,092 --> 01:36:07,796
I had a few of my
family members telling me that
I'd turned my dad in.
1772
01:36:07,830 --> 01:36:09,731
You know, that was funny.
1773
01:36:09,764 --> 01:36:13,468
You know, "My God, you sold
your dad out. We're not
talking to you anymore."
1774
01:36:13,501 --> 01:36:17,906
I haven't talked to
a lot of my family members
based on that,
1775
01:36:17,940 --> 01:36:20,075
because everyone thinks
I've turned my dad in.
1776
01:36:22,210 --> 01:36:25,347
My family is cold.
My family is real cold.
1777
01:36:27,582 --> 01:36:30,853
When you first saw him
after the arrest, did you hug?
1778
01:36:30,886 --> 01:36:34,422
No, we were handcuffed,
shackled. Head to toe.
1779
01:36:36,358 --> 01:36:41,997
So we just sat there and
twiddled our thumbs
while we were talking.
1780
01:36:42,030 --> 01:36:44,499
I mean, I probably would
have shot us both if we
didn't hug each other.
1781
01:36:44,532 --> 01:36:46,368
What did he
wanna talk about?
1782
01:36:47,903 --> 01:36:49,204
We didn't even know.
1783
01:36:50,205 --> 01:36:54,609
We were just there,
just... silence.
1784
01:36:54,642 --> 01:36:58,080
It's kind of...
I gotta say...
1785
01:36:58,113 --> 01:36:59,915
I don't know the word
to use for that,
1786
01:36:59,948 --> 01:37:02,985
but he speaks
in a different...
1787
01:37:04,519 --> 01:37:05,687
speaks in a different world,
1788
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:09,925
like he's not even in there
for all the damn murders,
1789
01:37:09,958 --> 01:37:14,997
he's in there for
domestic violence or
receiving a stolen property.
1790
01:37:15,030 --> 01:37:19,567
And that kind of bothers me.
1791
01:37:19,601 --> 01:37:23,071
And did he apologize to you
or say anything to you?
1792
01:37:23,105 --> 01:37:26,909
What? No. For what?
1793
01:37:26,942 --> 01:37:31,113
[LAUGHS] This is really
one of them stories
where it's like...
1794
01:37:31,146 --> 01:37:34,316
I don't believe this.
No, seriously. No. No way.
1795
01:37:34,349 --> 01:37:36,384
What would he
apologize to me for?
1796
01:37:38,186 --> 01:37:41,289
BROOMFIELD: Have you
kind of suffered a lot
through all this?
1797
01:37:43,058 --> 01:37:46,628
CHRIS: I lost my best friend,
man. That was my dude.
1798
01:37:46,661 --> 01:37:49,231
There's nothing that
I can talk to him
about right now
1799
01:37:49,264 --> 01:37:52,467
because we're in
two different places.
1800
01:37:52,500 --> 01:37:56,338
And it's hard for me
to keep him up
with what's going on.
1801
01:37:58,540 --> 01:38:00,608
So, like I said,
I lost my best friend.
1802
01:38:00,642 --> 01:38:04,913
You know, you have somebody
to call on any time.
1803
01:38:04,947 --> 01:38:09,417
I just try. I try to
communicate with him,
you know, just...
1804
01:38:09,451 --> 01:38:12,554
I'm still his son.
Can't nobody change that.
1805
01:38:13,055 --> 01:38:15,190
So...
1806
01:38:15,223 --> 01:38:19,327
I just try and be there
for him as far as, you know,
this is a tough situation...
1807
01:38:19,361 --> 01:38:21,163
What was the first thing
he talked about?
1808
01:38:22,264 --> 01:38:24,099
I gotta say,
my dad was really...
1809
01:38:24,132 --> 01:38:27,269
Sometimes he talks about
how the attorneys are,
1810
01:38:27,302 --> 01:38:32,374
you know, doing what they can
and they're getting to
the bottom of things, or...
1811
01:38:33,141 --> 01:38:34,542
Clear his name,
1812
01:38:34,576 --> 01:38:36,278
and other stuff,
1813
01:38:36,311 --> 01:38:40,915
like he's innocent.
To the point.
1814
01:38:42,484 --> 01:38:47,255
Yeah. What do you
think about that?
1815
01:38:52,427 --> 01:38:55,297
It's all a mind game.
1816
01:39:06,274 --> 01:39:10,745
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
In the past, Los Angeles police
used the term "NHI,"
1817
01:39:10,778 --> 01:39:13,215
police slang for
"No Human Involved"
1818
01:39:13,248 --> 01:39:17,185
to describe the murders of
prostitutes and drug addicts.
1819
01:39:17,219 --> 01:39:20,088
Many feel this attitude
continues today.
1820
01:39:20,122 --> 01:39:22,524
Hi!
BROOMFIELD: Hi.
1821
01:39:22,557 --> 01:39:24,592
There's Mikey right there.
See her?
1822
01:39:24,626 --> 01:39:26,561
That's Mikey.
That's Mikey.
1823
01:39:26,594 --> 01:39:27,895
See her? That's Mikey.
1824
01:39:27,929 --> 01:39:29,998
There she go. Where she at?
Mikey, show 'em you're there.
1825
01:39:30,032 --> 01:39:31,433
That's Mikey right here.
1826
01:39:31,466 --> 01:39:33,035
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
These are all
Grim Sleeper survivors
1827
01:39:33,068 --> 01:39:34,202
Pam managed to find.
1828
01:39:34,236 --> 01:39:36,771
They all were too scared
to talk to police.
1829
01:39:36,804 --> 01:39:39,041
BROOMFIELD: And why
were you looking like that?
1830
01:39:39,074 --> 01:39:40,442
I had fallen asleep.
1831
01:39:40,475 --> 01:39:43,011
Nodded out or something.
1832
01:39:43,045 --> 01:39:45,047
Why? Did he give you drugs?
Yeah.
1833
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:48,050
I was using drugs real bad
at the time.
1834
01:39:49,717 --> 01:39:51,086
Shall we go in?
1835
01:39:53,521 --> 01:39:55,690
[BROOMFIELD NARRATING]
Pam brought them to our office
1836
01:39:55,723 --> 01:39:58,126
because most of them
live on the streets,
1837
01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:00,595
and they're scared to
be seen talking with us.
1838
01:40:04,299 --> 01:40:09,171
Officially, Enietra Washington
is the only surviving witness,
1839
01:40:09,204 --> 01:40:11,739
but in reality,
there are many.
1840
01:40:14,709 --> 01:40:16,278
BROOMFIELD:
So what's your name?
1841
01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:19,314
Cookie.
1842
01:40:19,347 --> 01:40:22,284
And how long have you
been on the street?
1843
01:40:22,817 --> 01:40:24,686
Uh, since I was 18.
1844
01:40:27,122 --> 01:40:29,257
And how long did you
meet Lonnie?
1845
01:40:29,291 --> 01:40:31,759
About six to seven months.
1846
01:40:31,793 --> 01:40:34,696
You were with him?
Yes.
1847
01:40:34,729 --> 01:40:36,231
Ten times or more?
1848
01:40:36,264 --> 01:40:37,565
Yeah, maybe more.
1849
01:40:37,599 --> 01:40:39,534
Yeah, I have been
with him more, sexually.
1850
01:40:39,567 --> 01:40:41,503
Why did you go with him
so many times?
1851
01:40:41,536 --> 01:40:43,471
'Cause he paid me.
1852
01:40:43,505 --> 01:40:48,476
You know, I was prostituting
real, you know, heavy then,
so...
1853
01:40:49,377 --> 01:40:51,079
It was about the money.
1854
01:40:52,114 --> 01:40:54,382
I'm not a prostitute
nor a whore.
1855
01:40:54,416 --> 01:40:58,453
You know, I meet men
on the streets and
they'd be nice to me,
1856
01:40:58,486 --> 01:41:01,656
but this particular night,
this man wasn't nice.
1857
01:41:01,689 --> 01:41:04,826
I met him in '90...
1858
01:41:06,361 --> 01:41:10,498
'87. '87.
1859
01:41:10,532 --> 01:41:14,569
I think '91, '92.
1860
01:41:14,602 --> 01:41:18,140
2012. I mean 2007.
1861
01:41:18,173 --> 01:41:21,409
And he had approached me,
1862
01:41:21,443 --> 01:41:24,312
very kind man, sweet guy,
1863
01:41:24,346 --> 01:41:29,717
and asked me if I smoked.
I told him, "Yeah."
1864
01:41:29,751 --> 01:41:33,321
It was one late night,
I was walking down the street,
1865
01:41:33,355 --> 01:41:36,891
um, yes, I do drugs,
I was high at the time,
1866
01:41:36,924 --> 01:41:39,327
was trying to get more money
to get more drugs,
1867
01:41:39,361 --> 01:41:42,197
and a van pulled up.
1868
01:41:42,230 --> 01:41:45,533
I'd seen him circle the block.
He kept circling the block.
1869
01:41:45,567 --> 01:41:47,101
He pulled over,
1870
01:41:47,802 --> 01:41:50,372
and asked me
do I wanna get high,
1871
01:41:50,405 --> 01:41:52,640
mm, and do I need some money.
1872
01:41:54,242 --> 01:41:57,712
So I said, "Sure."
1873
01:41:57,745 --> 01:42:02,184
So I get in,
and I take my block down,
1874
01:42:02,217 --> 01:42:05,687
I keep the window down,
little safety,
1875
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:08,756
'cause at nighttime,
your voice carries
if you scream.
1876
01:42:08,790 --> 01:42:12,827
He seemed nice, you know,
intelligent, in the beginning.
1877
01:42:12,860 --> 01:42:16,431
And he asked me why
would a pretty girl like me
be out there smoking.
1878
01:42:16,464 --> 01:42:18,666
Did I wanna go with him?
1879
01:42:18,700 --> 01:42:22,204
So I walked with him,
and we got in his car,
1880
01:42:22,237 --> 01:42:23,738
and he took me to his house.
1881
01:42:23,771 --> 01:42:25,707
The man's house is nasty.
1882
01:42:25,740 --> 01:42:27,175
Where would he take you?
1883
01:42:28,410 --> 01:42:29,911
In his garage.
1884
01:42:31,513 --> 01:42:33,715
He never wanted to go
in the bedroom, you know.
1885
01:42:33,748 --> 01:42:36,651
And he had pictures of
a lot of girls and stuff.
1886
01:42:39,521 --> 01:42:41,856
Crossed out. He used to
have them crossed out.
1887
01:42:41,889 --> 01:42:44,792
He was weird
'cause we had...
1888
01:42:44,826 --> 01:42:46,261
He wanted to do
different things,
1889
01:42:46,294 --> 01:42:47,695
he wanted to do
stupid stuff.
1890
01:42:47,729 --> 01:42:48,930
I got naked,
1891
01:42:48,963 --> 01:42:51,433
he showed me the money
but he never put it
in my hands.
1892
01:42:51,466 --> 01:42:55,237
Uh, then he started,
he wanted me to
give him head and stuff.
1893
01:42:55,270 --> 01:42:58,273
It was okay for me to do that,
but he never gave me the money.
1894
01:43:00,408 --> 01:43:02,977
It was normal
at first, and then
1895
01:43:03,010 --> 01:43:04,779
he started
doing weird things,
1896
01:43:04,812 --> 01:43:07,349
asked me to do weird...
you know...
1897
01:43:08,550 --> 01:43:12,387
sex with things,
with bottles, and...
1898
01:43:12,420 --> 01:43:17,759
He would ask me to
just take like
a 40-ounce bottle
1899
01:43:17,792 --> 01:43:20,695
and stick it in my pussy,
and I wouldn't do it.
1900
01:43:20,728 --> 01:43:24,699
You know, after he done
played with himself with it
or something like that.
1901
01:43:24,732 --> 01:43:27,469
Or paid me to go
get other girls and stuff,
you know,
1902
01:43:27,502 --> 01:43:30,805
and after that I never
seen them girls again or
heard from 'em, you know.
1903
01:43:30,838 --> 01:43:32,274
How many?
1904
01:43:32,307 --> 01:43:34,809
I brought him
like maybe four of 'em.
1905
01:43:34,842 --> 01:43:37,645
He paid me, but I've never
seen them again after that.
1906
01:43:39,046 --> 01:43:40,782
Did police
ever talk to you?
1907
01:43:40,815 --> 01:43:43,885
No, I never talked
to the police. No.
1908
01:43:45,787 --> 01:43:47,589
He took me to his house
1909
01:43:47,622 --> 01:43:51,493
on Western in 81st,
1910
01:43:51,526 --> 01:43:55,430
uh, at the time, I believe
the house was like green.
1911
01:43:55,730 --> 01:43:56,764
Green?
1912
01:43:56,798 --> 01:43:59,801
Yes. The house was green.
1913
01:44:02,304 --> 01:44:08,343
I remember that everything
in it was like soundproof.
1914
01:44:08,376 --> 01:44:11,279
No one can hear you outside.
1915
01:44:11,313 --> 01:44:13,315
He wanted to put
the handcuffs on me.
1916
01:44:13,348 --> 01:44:16,851
He wanted to put
the handcuffs, one
against the bed,
1917
01:44:16,884 --> 01:44:19,521
you know, hang me up.
1918
01:44:19,554 --> 01:44:21,556
And it scared me.
I mean, no.
1919
01:44:22,457 --> 01:44:24,659
I was scared.
Yes, I was.
1920
01:44:24,692 --> 01:44:26,328
It was one door
1921
01:44:26,361 --> 01:44:29,263
that he had locked
from inside and...
1922
01:44:30,665 --> 01:44:32,066
I knew.
1923
01:44:32,099 --> 01:44:35,036
So when he's saying that
I wasn't trying to
1924
01:44:35,069 --> 01:44:38,606
abide by what he wanted
me to do, then he
started getting aggressive.
1925
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:41,343
You know, telling me,
"Oh, you're gonna
give me some head.
1926
01:44:41,376 --> 01:44:42,677
"You know you're gonna
give me some head."
1927
01:44:42,710 --> 01:44:44,312
And I'm like, "Give me money,"
you know?
1928
01:44:44,346 --> 01:44:45,847
And he was like, "Oh,
you're gonna get the money."
1929
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:51,919
I tried to help him out
of his pants, but...
1930
01:44:52,954 --> 01:44:54,489
I couldn't.
1931
01:44:56,057 --> 01:44:58,025
You couldn't?
I couldn't.
1932
01:44:58,526 --> 01:44:59,694
I...
1933
01:44:59,727 --> 01:45:00,995
I...
1934
01:45:01,028 --> 01:45:02,897
It was like picking up an egg.
1935
01:45:04,366 --> 01:45:05,933
Mm-mm.
1936
01:45:05,967 --> 01:45:10,538
And his body was... It was
like he had been in a freezer.
1937
01:45:10,572 --> 01:45:12,039
His body was cold.
1938
01:45:12,073 --> 01:45:15,743
His body... Part of his body,
it was cold.
1939
01:45:15,777 --> 01:45:18,079
And nothing was happening.
I couldn't...
1940
01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:20,748
I couldn't help him.
1941
01:45:20,782 --> 01:45:22,850
He got out the van
and got to the...
1942
01:45:22,884 --> 01:45:24,752
He picked my clothes.
I guess he was
1943
01:45:24,786 --> 01:45:26,888
taking my clothes so
I can't put them back on.
1944
01:45:26,921 --> 01:45:28,656
During the process when
he was getting out the van,
1945
01:45:28,690 --> 01:45:31,025
he left the van door
cracked a little bit.
1946
01:45:31,058 --> 01:45:32,994
I took off and
ran down the street.
1947
01:45:33,027 --> 01:45:36,764
I ran halfway down
the block butt-naked,
1948
01:45:36,798 --> 01:45:40,134
and this lady I seen,
I was screaming,
asking her for help,
1949
01:45:40,167 --> 01:45:43,371
she let me in her car
and she dropped me off
at a friend's house.
1950
01:45:43,405 --> 01:45:46,541
I keep Visine on me
1951
01:45:46,574 --> 01:45:49,544
'cause it puts people to sleep.
It really works.
1952
01:45:49,577 --> 01:45:50,978
I keep Visine.
1953
01:45:51,012 --> 01:45:53,448
and so I had some Visine
and, uh,
1954
01:45:53,481 --> 01:45:57,084
and I had him get a drink.
I had him get a Remy.
1955
01:45:57,118 --> 01:45:59,487
I remember I had him
go get a Remy.
1956
01:45:59,521 --> 01:46:01,055
And I put him to sleep.
1957
01:46:01,088 --> 01:46:03,758
I didn't insult him.
1958
01:46:03,791 --> 01:46:06,661
The Grim Sleeper?
Yes, I didn't belittle him.
1959
01:46:06,694 --> 01:46:08,896
You know, I didn't
mock his body.
1960
01:46:10,798 --> 01:46:16,003
And then you wanna kill me?
And I didn't do that?
1961
01:46:18,072 --> 01:46:19,173
I didn't try to rob you,
1962
01:46:19,206 --> 01:46:21,709
I didn't set you up,
I didn't do any of that.
1963
01:46:21,743 --> 01:46:24,446
Yeah, okay, yeah,
I was out there.
1964
01:46:25,847 --> 01:46:27,715
That doesn't mean
I'm nothing.
1965
01:46:30,017 --> 01:46:31,819
That doesn't mean
I'm nothing.
1966
01:46:34,021 --> 01:46:35,957
Like I'm a piece of trash.
1967
01:46:39,894 --> 01:46:43,097
I was trapped.
I was trapped.
1968
01:46:46,734 --> 01:46:48,035
I was trapped.
1969
01:46:48,069 --> 01:46:50,972
It's not what I wanted.
1970
01:46:51,873 --> 01:46:53,475
That's not what I wanted.
1971
01:46:53,508 --> 01:46:55,643
That's not the life I wanted.
1972
01:46:58,646 --> 01:47:02,116
PAM: What I'm trying to explain
to you and say to you is that
1973
01:47:02,149 --> 01:47:06,854
just because they have Lonnie
doesn't mean this is over with.
1974
01:47:06,888 --> 01:47:10,191
There's another motherfucker
out there just as sick as he is.
1975
01:47:10,224 --> 01:47:11,559
You know what I mean?
1976
01:47:15,563 --> 01:47:16,831
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