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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,276 --> 00:00:11,050 There is some evidence to suggest that Hayley... was strangled. 2 00:00:11,075 --> 00:00:12,915 DCI Stuart, Hayley was a friend of mine. 3 00:00:12,977 --> 00:00:15,260 I was supposed to be doing a cleaning job, 4 00:00:15,288 --> 00:00:17,168 Hayley did the job for me. 5 00:00:17,196 --> 00:00:18,768 It was in a holiday rental. 6 00:00:18,838 --> 00:00:20,813 I'd forgotten that's who we let it to. 7 00:00:20,865 --> 00:00:23,105 He does that quiz show on the BBC. James Hollis. 8 00:00:23,130 --> 00:00:25,396 Just give me ten minutes, I'm not feeling 100%. 9 00:00:25,421 --> 00:00:27,029 Dad, this is not about the past. 10 00:00:27,074 --> 00:00:28,954 Or, at least, not the past you're talking about. 11 00:00:28,979 --> 00:00:30,779 I love you. I love you, too. 12 00:00:30,964 --> 00:00:32,549 Tim, it's your word against hers. 13 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,416 I pretended to go out. I just heard him go for her. 14 00:00:35,460 --> 00:00:37,140 I don't believe I ever lost my temper. 15 00:00:37,487 --> 00:00:39,256 I'd appreciate having somebody here. 16 00:00:39,281 --> 00:00:41,483 They took money I had for a deposit on a flat. 17 00:00:41,545 --> 00:00:43,905 I do think you should consider opening a bank account. 18 00:00:43,940 --> 00:00:45,890 No. No. No. No. No bank accounts. 19 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,400 I would feel very lucky to be able to help you grow stronger. 20 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:50,493 There'll be money in the joint account tomorrow. 21 00:00:50,548 --> 00:00:54,258 Mr Carr sold my father a cash ISA. We want to cancel it. 22 00:00:54,283 --> 00:00:55,935 I can't see any paperwork here. 23 00:00:56,061 --> 00:00:58,581 Mr Hollis, we wondered if you had five minutes, please, 24 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:00,440 to help us with a case we're investigating. 25 00:01:00,569 --> 00:01:02,096 I will need my lawyer present. 26 00:01:02,152 --> 00:01:03,752 Els, it's Dad again. 27 00:01:03,850 --> 00:01:05,869 They've come about her. 28 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,600 ♪ All we do is hide away 29 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,680 ♪ All we do is All we do is hide away 30 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,760 ♪ All we do is lie and wait 31 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,920 ♪ All we do is All we do is lie and wait 32 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,800 ♪ I've been upside down 33 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,520 ♪ I don't wanna be The right way round 34 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,920 ♪ Can't find paradise On the ground. ♪ 35 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,160 PAN SIZZLES 36 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,920 Oh, shit! 37 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,560 Oh, you... 38 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:05,400 Dad! 39 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:09,800 Dad! Yeah? 40 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,160 Morning. 41 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,400 Blimey! Are you all right? You left a pan on. 42 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,560 Me? No. 43 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,960 Yeah, I walked in and it was burning. 44 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:24,960 Is that your porridge? 45 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:26,840 This was off when I left. 46 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,760 Right. Well, I've, like, literally just walked in. 47 00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:31,080 So... 48 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,960 Well, it's still under warranty. I'll get in touch with the company. 49 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,120 I'm sorry. If I knew anything, I'd tell you, Mr Hollis. 50 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,520 You know I would. I do. But if you do hear anything, 51 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,000 tell him I need to speak to him. 52 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:49,920 Tell him it's really urgent. 53 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:00,560 And, so, in the end, 54 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,560 the case really came down to one person's word against another's. 55 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,280 And in this instance, 56 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,680 we feel bound to consider Dr Finch's many years' exemplary practice 57 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,280 and his reputation as a hard-working, generous 58 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:15,760 and trustworthy GP. 59 00:03:16,920 --> 00:03:20,440 And as such, we find we do not uphold the complaint. 60 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:24,280 I heard him. He might sit there now looking like butter wouldn't melt, 61 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,200 but he's got another side to him. 62 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,520 Yeah, you look embarrassed, mate. 63 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,520 You should, cos you're a disgrace! 64 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:54,200 Guv... 65 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:55,840 Yeah? He is here... 66 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,000 'Peter, its Mark Harper. 67 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,480 'Kate and I can find no record of any paperwork 68 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,920 'relating to an ISA in the name of Salthouse 69 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,120 'and I need to know today how a three-grand cheque from him 70 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:14,720 'has been cashed. 71 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:16,480 'So you really need to call me.' 72 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:23,760 DOOR CLOSES 73 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:28,640 There. 74 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,080 OK, er... 75 00:05:02,280 --> 00:05:04,440 ..I'm going to change all of your settings 76 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,280 so that only your friends can comment. 77 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,760 What does it make them feel when they say those things? 78 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,880 I doubt very much they feel anything at all, Mum. 79 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:16,760 Cos they're messed up. 80 00:05:17,840 --> 00:05:22,480 And that, that isn't about Dad or about you or Hayley. 81 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:23,880 It's about them. 82 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,040 It's just a mirror people hold up to themselves to shout at. 83 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:38,680 I wanted, if I may, erm, to ask you about a house you rented 84 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:41,920 in Middenham, in December 1999, 85 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:43,440 which I believe... 86 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:45,880 ..was an eight-bedroom house. 87 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,080 Yes, I can't remember specifically but, yes, it was big. 88 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:53,800 There were a bunch of us. Three other families? 89 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,600 Yes, although, for the first few days, 90 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:57,280 there were only me and three mates. 91 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,760 Erm, our wives and kids joined us on New Year's Eve. 92 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,200 Right. 93 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,360 It was primarily a golfing break. 94 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,320 Oh, OK. 95 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,560 Erm, and what were their names, please, the men? 96 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,320 Tim Finch. 97 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:14,720 Chris Lowe. 98 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:16,760 Pete Carr. 99 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,640 And are they all still around? Yep. 100 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,400 Still friends? 101 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,280 Yes, we were at school together, so it's a long connection. 102 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,000 And the families, erm, can you give me details of those people? 103 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,320 Tim was there with his first wife Derran 104 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,360 and their, er... two little girls. 105 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,720 Pete was single at that time, so on his own. 106 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,240 And Chris Lowe was with his first wife Laura and their little girl. 107 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,040 And your wife? 108 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,560 Yes, my wife Mel and our little boy Eliot. 109 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,680 Are you two still together? No. 110 00:06:54,840 --> 00:06:56,720 I remarried a few years ago. 111 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:57,880 Oh. 112 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,880 So, this is a photo of Hayley Reid. 113 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:07,600 Do you recognise her? 114 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:13,880 Yes. 115 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,520 And is that just from the papers? Sorry, where is this heading? 116 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:18,920 SHE SIGHS 117 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,440 We're just trying to corroborate evidence from another witness, 118 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:27,400 who thinks Hayley might have cleaned the house you rented. 119 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,600 I have no recollection of that. You never saw her there? 120 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:32,800 No. 121 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,080 I mean, we were out most days, 122 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:39,120 but, hey, this story was huge and her photo was all over the TV. 123 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,840 So, if she had cleaned our house and any of us had have seen her, 124 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,160 then I think someone would have mentioned something. Absolutely. 125 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,480 When did you return to London, Mr Hollis? 126 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,040 Erm, when the rental ended, which would be... 127 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,080 ..perhaps, er, around the second or third. 128 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,680 And you drove back up with your wife and child? Yes. 129 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,040 How did they got down there on the 31st? 130 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,480 Train. I picked them up from a nearby station. 131 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,760 OK. And this is the last question. 132 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:19,680 Erm... what did you all get up to on the Millennium evening? 133 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,360 Erm... Well, as I remember, we, er... 134 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,080 ..we had a meal in the house, all together. 135 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,320 Then, I think the, erm... 136 00:08:32,680 --> 00:08:36,440 ..the children stayed up a bit, till about nine or ten. 137 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,520 I think the adults watched a movie 138 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,960 and then all went to bed after Big Ben. 139 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,000 Is that all of you? As I recall, yes. 140 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,800 And then no-one went out again for the rest of the night? 141 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,000 No. 142 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:57,120 OK. 143 00:08:58,360 --> 00:08:59,720 That's it. 144 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:03,000 Thank you. Thank you very much for your time. 145 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,080 Sorry... 146 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,600 You said you guys met at school. Yes. 147 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,000 Where was that, the school you went to? Finchley. 148 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,200 Right. And you all, erm... 149 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,720 ..lived round that area? Within a couple of miles, yes. 150 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:24,400 OK, thanks again. 151 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,920 Well, I think we want to know more about four guys 152 00:09:33,978 --> 00:09:35,978 who grew up half a mile from her grave. 153 00:09:36,030 --> 00:09:37,150 I think we do. 154 00:09:49,100 --> 00:09:50,580 Hollis, you wanker. 155 00:09:50,740 --> 00:09:52,340 CAMERA CLICKS 156 00:09:52,500 --> 00:09:53,500 Shit! 157 00:10:05,260 --> 00:10:08,100 And this sort of sized garden is very unusual 158 00:10:08,260 --> 00:10:10,380 for a flat in this part of the city. 159 00:10:10,540 --> 00:10:12,220 It's also west-facing, so... 160 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,960 Anyway, have a natter and I'll be outside if you need me. 161 00:10:18,300 --> 00:10:19,500 Thank you. 162 00:10:23,540 --> 00:10:25,900 He's never had a garden with grass before. 163 00:10:26,060 --> 00:10:28,180 You like it. 164 00:10:28,220 --> 00:10:30,100 I think it's perfect. 165 00:10:30,260 --> 00:10:31,380 What? 166 00:10:31,540 --> 00:10:33,740 There's a "but" coming. 167 00:10:34,839 --> 00:10:35,934 But... 168 00:10:37,126 --> 00:10:40,126 ..if we're going to be properly together... 169 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,080 ..I need to know who you are, Chris. 170 00:10:46,500 --> 00:10:48,060 Who I am? 171 00:10:49,175 --> 00:10:51,975 How does someone like you, so... 172 00:10:52,150 --> 00:10:55,510 ..brilliant, so lovely... 173 00:10:57,380 --> 00:10:59,260 ..end up like you have? 174 00:10:59,420 --> 00:11:00,940 How does that happen? 175 00:11:39,300 --> 00:11:41,900 So we had two key leads that I believed 176 00:11:42,100 --> 00:11:45,140 were potentially significant, but were never resolved. 177 00:11:45,300 --> 00:11:47,100 St Matthew's C of E, 178 00:11:47,300 --> 00:11:49,460 which was burgled at some point that New Year's Eve, 179 00:11:49,500 --> 00:11:51,940 with about five grand's worth of 18-century silverware 180 00:11:52,140 --> 00:11:53,980 taken from a locked cupboard in the vestry. 181 00:11:54,180 --> 00:11:57,580 Blood smears were retrieved on some smashed glass into the vestry, 182 00:11:57,780 --> 00:12:00,260 but there were no matches with anyone on our database. 183 00:12:01,500 --> 00:12:03,900 The church is about halfway between The Swan 184 00:12:04,100 --> 00:12:06,260 and Hayley's parents' original house. 185 00:12:06,420 --> 00:12:09,140 And one possible theory was that 186 00:12:09,340 --> 00:12:11,180 she saw something after she left work, 187 00:12:11,380 --> 00:12:15,180 she went to investigate and ran into the burglar or burglars. 188 00:12:15,380 --> 00:12:18,140 Certainly, I believe it's worth following up again. 189 00:12:19,580 --> 00:12:21,540 And then a black car, 190 00:12:21,740 --> 00:12:24,540 which was seen driving very erratically on the road 191 00:12:24,700 --> 00:12:27,220 between The Swan and her house 192 00:12:27,380 --> 00:12:29,500 at approximately 12:25, 193 00:12:29,540 --> 00:12:32,460 maybe 15 minutes after we know she left the pub. 194 00:12:32,620 --> 00:12:34,060 No reg or make, 195 00:12:34,260 --> 00:12:36,900 but the witness thought it was a black four-door saloon 196 00:12:37,060 --> 00:12:38,380 with a tow bar. 197 00:12:38,580 --> 00:12:41,380 Oh, and it's worth mentioning that the weather was very bad that night, 198 00:12:41,580 --> 00:12:44,220 with heavy rain from about 11 o'clock onwards 199 00:12:44,380 --> 00:12:46,860 and very poor visibility. 200 00:12:47,020 --> 00:12:48,020 That's it. 201 00:12:49,260 --> 00:12:52,660 So John will be available for the rest of the day, 202 00:12:52,860 --> 00:12:55,220 and then on the phone, at any point, for any questions. 203 00:12:55,380 --> 00:12:56,820 But given what he's just told us, 204 00:12:57,020 --> 00:13:00,580 I suggest DNA swabs should be taken from any suspects we speak to. 205 00:13:01,620 --> 00:13:04,540 Thank you again, John. That was very useful. 206 00:13:04,700 --> 00:13:06,220 So... 207 00:13:06,380 --> 00:13:08,260 ..specific points of action. 208 00:13:09,380 --> 00:13:12,620 Fran, can you double-check all these timelines, please, 209 00:13:12,820 --> 00:13:15,020 for Hayley's movements on the night of her disappearance 210 00:13:15,220 --> 00:13:17,380 and the week before? Boss. 211 00:13:17,580 --> 00:13:21,060 Murray, you take the witness who saw this car. Yup. 212 00:13:21,260 --> 00:13:24,220 And, Jake, obviously, the body was found in London 213 00:13:24,380 --> 00:13:26,780 and, given that new development, 214 00:13:26,980 --> 00:13:29,940 it's worth having another chat with Adrian Mullery, I think. Guv. 215 00:13:30,140 --> 00:13:33,300 And following this morning's interview with James Hollis, 216 00:13:33,500 --> 00:13:36,140 myself and DI Khan will certainly be speaking 217 00:13:36,340 --> 00:13:39,740 to the other three male occupants of The Spinney. 218 00:13:41,420 --> 00:13:43,580 OK, that's it. Thank you, everyone. 219 00:13:45,540 --> 00:13:47,980 That was great. Thank you again. 220 00:13:48,140 --> 00:13:49,420 Yeah. No problem. 221 00:13:49,620 --> 00:13:51,500 So are you heading back down tonight or...? 222 00:13:51,700 --> 00:13:54,100 No. No, no, my kids live with their mum in town, 223 00:13:54,300 --> 00:13:58,820 so I'm going to stick around, spend some time with them for a few days. 224 00:13:59,020 --> 00:14:01,300 Right. How old are they? 21 and 20. 225 00:14:01,460 --> 00:14:02,820 Ah, same as mine. Boys or...? 226 00:14:02,980 --> 00:14:04,420 Two boys. 227 00:14:04,580 --> 00:14:05,620 Jinx. 228 00:14:05,780 --> 00:14:07,060 Hm! 229 00:14:07,260 --> 00:14:09,940 Er, anyway, I better go and check into the hotel, so... 230 00:14:10,140 --> 00:14:12,540 Go for it. And we will speak soon, I hope. Yeah, absolutely. 231 00:14:13,780 --> 00:14:15,660 John... Thanks for that. That was great. 232 00:14:15,860 --> 00:14:18,260 Listen, er... if you're at a loose end any evening, 233 00:14:18,460 --> 00:14:20,900 there's always a few of us at The Enterprise, 234 00:14:21,100 --> 00:14:22,860 if you fancy a drink. It's just opposite. 235 00:14:23,020 --> 00:14:24,660 Yeah, great. Cheers. 236 00:14:24,860 --> 00:14:26,180 I might take you up on that. Good. 237 00:14:26,260 --> 00:14:27,540 All right, see you. See you. 238 00:14:27,740 --> 00:14:29,220 See you. Cheers. 239 00:14:31,300 --> 00:14:34,220 SHE CLEARS HER THROAT You're welcome. 240 00:14:37,940 --> 00:14:39,940 PHONE RINGS Oh! 241 00:14:41,580 --> 00:14:44,780 Hola, gordo conejo. Hola, muy gordo conejo. 242 00:14:44,980 --> 00:14:47,900 How you doing? Yeah, all good. You? 243 00:14:48,100 --> 00:14:51,100 Yeah, very well. I've just been in Manchester on a work thing, 244 00:14:51,260 --> 00:14:53,020 driving back to Sussex now with Caz. 245 00:14:53,220 --> 00:14:55,380 Oh, right. Give her my love. I will. 246 00:14:55,420 --> 00:14:58,180 But listen, very quickly, I presume you've seen the news 247 00:14:58,340 --> 00:14:59,780 about the Hayley Reid case. 248 00:14:59,980 --> 00:15:03,220 Yeah, I did. It's very sad. Oh, wasn't it? 249 00:15:03,420 --> 00:15:06,220 Anyway, the police are obviously doing a general trawl 250 00:15:06,380 --> 00:15:08,260 for potential new witnesses. 251 00:15:08,460 --> 00:15:11,820 And they spoke to me this morning about the house we rented. 252 00:15:11,980 --> 00:15:13,460 Right. 253 00:15:13,660 --> 00:15:16,740 Apparently they think she may have been our cleaner. Wow! 254 00:15:16,940 --> 00:15:18,700 I said I couldn't recall us having a cleaner 255 00:15:18,900 --> 00:15:21,260 and I certainly think one of us would have noticed 256 00:15:21,460 --> 00:15:24,020 if it had have been her, given the amount of coverage. Indeed. 257 00:15:24,180 --> 00:15:26,180 Anyway, the long and short is 258 00:15:26,380 --> 00:15:29,500 they're probably going to want to speak to the whole gang of us, so... 259 00:15:29,700 --> 00:15:31,620 ..I just thought that I ought to let you know. 260 00:15:31,780 --> 00:15:33,020 Yeah, no worries. 261 00:15:33,220 --> 00:15:34,860 Obviously, they're looking for people 262 00:15:35,060 --> 00:15:38,660 who may have seen something that only now seems relevant. 263 00:15:38,860 --> 00:15:41,380 But I told them we all stayed in the house that night, 264 00:15:41,540 --> 00:15:43,660 eating with our families, so... 265 00:15:43,820 --> 00:15:45,540 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 266 00:15:45,740 --> 00:15:48,420 I'll give Pete a bell and maybe you could give Chris the heads up? 267 00:15:48,580 --> 00:15:49,580 Sure. 268 00:15:49,740 --> 00:15:51,500 And I've e-mailed some dates for our meet-up. 269 00:15:51,580 --> 00:15:53,380 Oh, yeah, I saw. Erm... 270 00:15:53,580 --> 00:15:55,740 ..I can do any of those. Excellent! 271 00:15:55,780 --> 00:15:57,500 Speak soon, mate. 272 00:15:57,660 --> 00:15:59,140 Yeah, cheers, Jamie. 273 00:16:02,420 --> 00:16:04,060 Jamie sends his love. 274 00:16:04,220 --> 00:16:06,060 How is he? 275 00:16:06,220 --> 00:16:07,740 Oh, he's very well. 276 00:16:07,940 --> 00:16:10,780 He's just, er... trying to arrange a get-together. 277 00:16:10,940 --> 00:16:12,620 The four amigos. 278 00:16:12,780 --> 00:16:14,340 That'll be nice. 279 00:16:14,500 --> 00:16:15,820 Yeah, it will. 280 00:16:15,980 --> 00:16:18,100 It's been too long. Much too long. 281 00:16:20,980 --> 00:16:22,460 Of course I remember. 282 00:16:22,660 --> 00:16:24,740 I was meant to have bought the puddings and I forgot, 283 00:16:24,780 --> 00:16:27,340 so I legged it to the corner shop and bought a load of Cornettos, 284 00:16:27,380 --> 00:16:29,340 which your ex wasn't too happy about. 285 00:16:29,540 --> 00:16:32,460 Anyway, I just wanted to check that you remembered it the same as I did. 286 00:16:32,620 --> 00:16:34,460 So, we're all ready for the 22nd. 287 00:16:34,660 --> 00:16:37,980 Chris has replied now so I'll book a table and send you all a link. 288 00:16:38,180 --> 00:16:40,620 Just one quick thing before you go, Jamie. 289 00:16:40,820 --> 00:16:43,140 Actually, I'm literally just heading into a meeting, mate. 290 00:16:43,300 --> 00:16:44,900 Yeah, yeah, I'll be ten seconds. 291 00:16:45,060 --> 00:16:47,260 Jamie... I need a massive favour. 292 00:16:50,540 --> 00:16:52,380 I was married for, er... 293 00:16:52,540 --> 00:16:54,460 ..12 years 294 00:16:54,620 --> 00:16:56,780 and I had... have, I have a daughter, 295 00:16:56,940 --> 00:16:58,420 Maya, 296 00:16:58,580 --> 00:17:01,020 who I last saw 17 years ago. 297 00:17:02,780 --> 00:17:05,900 My marriage ended early 2000. 298 00:17:07,820 --> 00:17:10,580 And because of some issues that I had at the time, 299 00:17:10,740 --> 00:17:12,380 my wife Laura, 300 00:17:12,580 --> 00:17:15,340 she felt it was damaging for Maya to be around that. 301 00:17:15,500 --> 00:17:18,060 And I'd run up some debts. 302 00:17:18,260 --> 00:17:21,820 So I went from living in a nice house in Notting Hill to... 303 00:17:21,980 --> 00:17:23,860 ..a one-bedroom flat in Acton... 304 00:17:25,500 --> 00:17:27,660 ..and then a hostel and... 305 00:17:29,180 --> 00:17:31,100 ..and then the streets. 306 00:17:31,260 --> 00:17:32,540 How long were you homeless? 307 00:17:34,380 --> 00:17:36,780 On and off for seven years. 308 00:17:36,940 --> 00:17:38,260 Oh, Chris... 309 00:17:39,500 --> 00:17:42,100 I'm so sorry. SHE SIGHS 310 00:17:42,300 --> 00:17:44,220 And you had no friends who could have helped you? 311 00:17:44,260 --> 00:17:46,940 Yeah. Yeah. I had friends who would have been desperate to help me. 312 00:17:47,140 --> 00:17:50,020 Yeah, but you have to want to be helped. And I didn't. 313 00:17:50,220 --> 00:17:53,820 I hated myself. I thought I deserved everything that happened to me. 314 00:17:53,980 --> 00:17:55,420 And your marriage... 315 00:17:56,660 --> 00:17:58,940 ..the issues you mention? 316 00:17:59,100 --> 00:18:00,420 OK, so... 317 00:18:00,620 --> 00:18:03,660 ..as you know, I have bipolar disorder, 318 00:18:03,860 --> 00:18:06,740 which was undiagnosed at the time, and so it was unmedicated, 319 00:18:06,900 --> 00:18:08,380 which meant that... 320 00:18:09,420 --> 00:18:12,860 ..you know, my behaviour was... challenging. 321 00:18:13,980 --> 00:18:16,140 And as soon as I started costing my company money, 322 00:18:16,180 --> 00:18:18,340 it was inevitable I'd be asked to step down. 323 00:18:19,780 --> 00:18:21,900 HE CHUCKLES 324 00:18:21,940 --> 00:18:24,700 And that was just not what she had married, 325 00:18:24,900 --> 00:18:27,260 an unemployed man who had mental health issues. 326 00:18:29,180 --> 00:18:30,740 So she asked me to leave. 327 00:18:32,500 --> 00:18:33,900 And I did. 328 00:18:35,140 --> 00:18:37,940 And then, 18 months later, she married a hedge fund manager, 329 00:18:38,140 --> 00:18:40,100 who bought her a house in Holland Park, so... 330 00:18:43,340 --> 00:18:45,500 And then, in 2012... 331 00:18:46,900 --> 00:18:51,420 ..Maya wrote to tell me that Laura had died from breast cancer... 332 00:18:52,740 --> 00:18:54,740 ..and to ask that I stay away from the funeral. 333 00:18:56,380 --> 00:18:59,380 I thought about writing back, and saying that I was better now, 334 00:18:59,540 --> 00:19:01,180 that I was a different person. 335 00:19:01,340 --> 00:19:02,660 And I am. 336 00:19:04,620 --> 00:19:06,180 But I think there comes a time 337 00:19:06,380 --> 00:19:08,380 when you have to accept how things have turned out. 338 00:19:09,900 --> 00:19:12,540 That life can sometimes simply be unfair. 339 00:19:13,780 --> 00:19:15,500 And to keep resisting that... 340 00:19:16,660 --> 00:19:19,100 ..it takes so much energy, Mila. 341 00:19:20,500 --> 00:19:23,540 Energy that you need for the future. 342 00:19:39,460 --> 00:19:41,100 Love? 343 00:19:41,260 --> 00:19:42,820 In here. 344 00:19:44,220 --> 00:19:45,580 Hey, Pete. 345 00:19:46,700 --> 00:19:48,140 Hello, Mark. 346 00:19:48,300 --> 00:19:50,420 What a lovely lady your missus is. 347 00:19:51,900 --> 00:19:53,060 I was just about to call you. 348 00:19:53,260 --> 00:19:55,700 You're punching above your weight there, buddy. 349 00:20:00,940 --> 00:20:02,340 Three grand. 350 00:20:02,500 --> 00:20:03,820 And my apologies. 351 00:20:05,580 --> 00:20:08,580 I was stressed about some deals and screwed up the paperwork. 352 00:20:08,780 --> 00:20:12,300 I accidentally paid Salthouse's cheque into my personal account. 353 00:20:12,460 --> 00:20:14,180 But, er... 354 00:20:15,500 --> 00:20:16,780 ..there it is. 355 00:20:18,460 --> 00:20:19,780 All there. 356 00:20:25,340 --> 00:20:28,140 You know what we used to call blokes like Pete, Maria? 357 00:20:30,100 --> 00:20:31,540 Filth. 358 00:20:32,740 --> 00:20:35,300 Failed in London, tried Hong-Kong. 359 00:20:35,500 --> 00:20:37,740 Bit of a Wild West out there, wasn't it, mate? 360 00:20:37,940 --> 00:20:40,180 Attracted a very distinct sort of person. 361 00:20:41,620 --> 00:20:43,380 I see you, buddy. 362 00:20:47,860 --> 00:20:50,300 Lovely to meet you, Maria. I'll let myself out. 363 00:20:56,700 --> 00:20:58,340 DOOR CLOSES 364 00:20:59,380 --> 00:21:00,820 I'm sorry about that. 365 00:21:05,700 --> 00:21:07,100 I need a shower. 366 00:21:09,380 --> 00:21:10,940 This isn't working, Pete. 367 00:21:12,380 --> 00:21:13,940 You and me. 368 00:21:16,100 --> 00:21:17,540 I'm sorry, but... 369 00:21:19,380 --> 00:21:21,540 ..this just isn't what I thought I was buying. 370 00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:24,199 It'll get better, babes. 371 00:21:26,260 --> 00:21:27,940 Trust me. 372 00:21:29,151 --> 00:21:31,431 I've got some really good business coming in. 373 00:21:44,714 --> 00:21:46,034 CAR DOOR CLOSES 374 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:58,620 Oh, I forgot to say, I've got a couple of guests arriving. 375 00:21:58,965 --> 00:22:00,605 Can you show them in, please, Liz? 376 00:22:00,679 --> 00:22:01,785 Yes. 377 00:22:02,531 --> 00:22:04,131 Thanks. 378 00:22:16,681 --> 00:22:18,361 Adrian... 379 00:22:19,585 --> 00:22:21,425 Have you got five minutes? 380 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,680 Well, obviously I recognise her, 381 00:22:38,739 --> 00:22:41,777 but I don't recall ever seeing her at the house at any point. 382 00:22:42,464 --> 00:22:43,655 As Jamie said, 383 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,824 if we had have seen her, we would have discussed it at the time. 384 00:22:46,899 --> 00:22:49,179 It was a huge story. Absolutely. 385 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,360 Er, so... 386 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,200 ..Mr Hollis, he told us that the four of you had gone down 387 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,240 on your own, at first, to play golf. Yes. 388 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:06,854 And then your wife Derran and your girls arrived on the 31st. 389 00:23:07,112 --> 00:23:08,215 Yes. 390 00:23:08,318 --> 00:23:10,598 And how old were they, the kids? 391 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,040 Er, Claire would have been eight 392 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,080 and Emma just turned ten. 393 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,080 I'm sorry, just to go back on one thing. 394 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:22,160 New Year's, the kids would have gone to bed at...? 395 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,520 Er, nine, ten, maybe. 396 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,680 And no-one went out after that? Nope. 397 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,320 What car where you driving back then, Dr Finch? 398 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,640 Erm... 399 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,240 ..I had my Audi in '99, I think. 400 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:40,840 An A4. 401 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,880 Sorry, was that the saloon or...? 402 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:47,840 No, the estate. We needed the space for holidays and stuff. 403 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,520 To save faffing around with a top box or a trailer or any of that. 404 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:53,920 And what colour was it? 405 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,720 Silver. 406 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,240 And your wife and kids, they went down by train? 407 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,600 With Jamie's wife and son. 408 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,920 And everybody headed back to London on the 2nd? Yes. 409 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,520 Did you all live in London then? 410 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,680 All except Pete. 411 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,600 He lived in Hong Kong. 412 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,600 And your marriage to Derran, that ended when? 413 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,880 What relevance has when my marriage ended to anything? 414 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,960 Sorry. If any question makes you feel uncomfortable, 415 00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:35,600 you don't have to answer. 416 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,280 We separated in 2001. 417 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:40,600 OK. 418 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,680 And do you remember when Mr Hollis and his wife separated? 419 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,680 Same year, I think. Or maybe 2000. 420 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,640 And Chris Lowe and his wife? 421 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,320 Yeah, roughly the same time. 422 00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:56,080 And are you still in contact with Derran, 423 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,440 if we wanted to speak with her? 424 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,440 I haven't seen Derran for many years, 425 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,800 but I can get a number from my kids, if you need it. 426 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,440 That would be very helpful, thank you. 427 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,520 Oh, I should just say that, er... 428 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:13,840 ..she's had a number of issues over the last couple of decades, 429 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,520 depression, anxiety and so, erm... 430 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,000 ..I'm not entirely sure you'll find her 431 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:20,680 the most reliable of narrators. 432 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:21,840 OK. 433 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,480 Well, thank you for that. 434 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,080 And then, one last thing, 435 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,560 and, er... I should say, 436 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,280 do feel free to say no. 437 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,160 But in order to help eliminate you from our enquiries, 438 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:38,640 how would you feel about giving us a DNA swab? 439 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,240 Yes, of course. No problem. 440 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,360 So, if nobody went out after ten, then it can't be them. 441 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,360 I mean, we know Hayley was seen alive at 12:10, so... 442 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,240 Yeah, I think you're right. 443 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,400 And if we're spinning our wheels on these guys, 444 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,360 I don't want to waste any more time. 445 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,120 Let's take the last two separately. 446 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:02,880 Hi, Dad, it's me. 447 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,960 Look, I'm really sorry, I'm going to be a bit late. 448 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,400 Please... call me. 449 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,600 How many times have you been here before, Jamie? 450 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,200 It'll be fine. 451 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,520 You know, the longer this goes on... 452 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,200 ..the more his problems... 453 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,920 ..consume him. 454 00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:40,360 The more you look at the paths we took, the choices we made, I made... 455 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:42,800 ..and think... 456 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:45,760 ..was it then? 457 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,800 Was it that choice... 458 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,720 ..or that choice... 459 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,680 ..that messed everything up? 460 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,320 Was it then... 461 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:56,680 ..that I ruined my child's life? 462 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,160 JAMIE ON PHONE: Call me. 463 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,680 GENERAL CHATTER 464 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,880 Sometimes, I just... ROOM FALLS SILENT 465 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,400 Hi... Hello. 466 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,920 Gemma left some school books at mine, I brought them round. 467 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,800 And then she wanted to show me her room. Right. 468 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,920 Lovely place, though. Thank you. 469 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,760 Anyway, I need to shoot off. 470 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,240 Nice to see you. And you. 471 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:39,640 Bye, girls. 472 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,440 Bye. Bye. 473 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,680 Yeah, well, you see, I'm from the clip-round-the-ear-hole generation. 474 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,480 I think he'd still like to, to be honest. Oh, dear. 475 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,400 And do you have children? No! 476 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,520 Never had the urge to be a mother. 477 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,080 Wow. Smart move. Tell me about it. 478 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,240 They take so much from you, don't they? 479 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,160 Not sure I'd see it quite like. Just, I'm too selfish, I think. 480 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,240 Yeah? Liked my career too much. 481 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,600 I think, if you are going to have children, you need to be around. 482 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,160 Whoops. Well, yes. 483 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:19,040 I mean, an evening like tonight, it's fine you letting us down, 484 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,800 but how did you cope when that was your kids, 485 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,160 turning up two hours late for supper? 486 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,720 Oh, we, erm... muddled through. 487 00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:31,360 Anyway, Dad tells me you're off to Venice at the weekend. 488 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,320 I know. You should tell him to stop spoiling me. I should. 489 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:37,840 And first class, too. 490 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,320 Venice? 491 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,600 HE LAUGHS 492 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,920 THEY ALL LAUGH 493 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,600 Right. Yeah. 494 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,320 Funny. Very funny. 495 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,640 Actually that's not quite what I said. 496 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,560 OK. 497 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,400 I have it here, you said you saw her leave just after midnight. 498 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,040 No, I said she would have left 499 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,800 just after her shift ended at midnight. 500 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,880 I never said I actually saw her. 501 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,240 Right. 502 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,920 Guy Halford, the manager, he's the one who actually saw her. 503 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,160 Sorry. And so what was the last time you saw her? 504 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,240 Just before 11. 505 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,840 I was working through till three 506 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,520 and I took a half-hour break then. 507 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,320 When Guy came back, he put me in the bar 508 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,680 and I just presumed that Hayley was finishing up in the restaurant. 509 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,640 And Guy Halford, does he still live in Middenham? 510 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,400 Hi. Hi. 511 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,840 I'm looking for Christopher Lowe. 512 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,080 Hello. 513 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,320 Go on... 514 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:23,800 Stay there. Stay. 515 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,160 Mr Carr? Yeah. 516 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,760 DI Sunny Khan. Have you got five minutes? 517 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,560 No, I'm... 518 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:55,840 Sorry. 519 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,160 OK. 520 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,440 Absolutely sure? 521 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,880 Yeah. You know who she is, though? 522 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,880 Yeah. Of course, yeah. 523 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,840 I mean, I never saw her in that house. 524 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,600 Are you OK, Mr Lowe? Yeah. 525 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,320 Yeah, I just... 526 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,800 I don't cope with stress very well. 527 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,280 Would you prefer to have someone with you? No. No. 528 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,120 No, I'm fine for now. OK. 529 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,520 So we're just asking everyone we speak to 530 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,680 a number of general questions to help us with our enquiries. 531 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,160 So, can you tell me what car you were driving that week? 532 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,120 I didn't take a car. I went down with Tim. 533 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,240 And then, did you and your family travel back with him or...? 534 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,760 My wife drove down with our daughter 535 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,400 and we went back in her car. 536 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:45,800 Right. 537 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,520 So what car was she driving? 538 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,327 She would have been driving the Maserati. 539 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,200 Right. 540 00:32:15,700 --> 00:32:18,980 You know what? I think I did see her at the house. 541 00:32:21,352 --> 00:32:23,792 Right. Are you sure? 542 00:32:23,843 --> 00:32:26,043 Yeah. Just one time, but, er... 543 00:32:26,540 --> 00:32:28,700 ..she's got a distinctive face, I guess. 544 00:32:28,740 --> 00:32:30,770 I think that was her. OK. 545 00:32:31,382 --> 00:32:32,862 Was that on your own or...? 546 00:32:32,897 --> 00:32:35,418 Erm, I'd come back from a round early. 547 00:32:35,470 --> 00:32:38,426 I was still a bit jet-lagged, so I went back to the house for a kip. 548 00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:41,620 Er, when I walked in, she was there, hoovering. 549 00:32:41,820 --> 00:32:45,171 I said hello and asked if there was anything else she could do, 550 00:32:45,218 --> 00:32:46,618 cos of the noise. 551 00:32:46,794 --> 00:32:48,273 What day would this have been? 552 00:32:48,298 --> 00:32:49,350 Oh... 553 00:32:49,585 --> 00:32:52,952 I'd have to check a calendar. Do you know when it was rented from? 554 00:32:52,980 --> 00:32:54,070 Yeah. 555 00:32:54,095 --> 00:32:55,095 Er... 556 00:32:56,580 --> 00:32:57,980 ..Monday the 27th. 557 00:32:58,180 --> 00:33:01,940 Monday. Well, we arrived in the evening, I remember that. 558 00:33:02,140 --> 00:33:04,100 I think we just chilled the next day, 559 00:33:04,300 --> 00:33:06,100 had a couple of bevvies in the local 560 00:33:06,300 --> 00:33:08,060 and played our first round the day after. 561 00:33:08,220 --> 00:33:10,860 So I'm thinking the Wednesday. 562 00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:15,300 Just to go back to the conversation with her, 563 00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:17,900 was it just about the hoovering, was it? Yeah. 564 00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:21,140 When I woke up, the other lads were back and she'd gone. 565 00:33:21,340 --> 00:33:23,820 And you didn't discuss this with any of the others? 566 00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:26,940 Discuss what? 567 00:33:28,340 --> 00:33:30,260 That this girl... 568 00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:34,260 ..who later went missing, had been in the house you all rented. 569 00:33:34,420 --> 00:33:36,020 No. 570 00:33:36,220 --> 00:33:39,060 I mean, I drove back to London on the 2nd 571 00:33:39,260 --> 00:33:42,100 and then flew out to Hong Kong first thing the next day, so... 572 00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:45,260 This was a big story? 573 00:33:46,620 --> 00:33:49,980 It was huge. It was in all the national newspapers for weeks. 574 00:33:50,180 --> 00:33:52,660 Right, well, I had no idea about that. 575 00:33:54,940 --> 00:33:58,340 And her photo being on the front pages the last couple of days. 576 00:33:58,540 --> 00:34:01,740 Work's been pretty crazy. I haven't had time to look at the papers. 577 00:34:02,980 --> 00:34:06,940 I'm sorry, but the first I've ever heard of this girl is, er... now. 578 00:34:09,620 --> 00:34:12,460 I suppose one of us would have cooked 579 00:34:12,660 --> 00:34:14,580 and then all of us, with kids, I mean, 580 00:34:14,740 --> 00:34:16,340 would have eaten together. 581 00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:17,980 And that was a pleasant evening? 582 00:34:18,180 --> 00:34:20,100 Yeah. Everyone had a nice time? 583 00:34:20,143 --> 00:34:22,036 Yeah, we had a nice time. Why do you ask that? 584 00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:23,580 Well, just... 585 00:34:23,631 --> 00:34:28,431 Because Christmas and New Year can be quite stressful, can't it? 586 00:34:28,780 --> 00:34:31,340 And I understand your marriage broke down not long after. 587 00:34:31,375 --> 00:34:32,898 What has that got to do with anything? 588 00:34:32,923 --> 00:34:34,656 Well, I wondered if that was in any way 589 00:34:34,735 --> 00:34:37,575 connected to something that happened on this break. 590 00:34:37,946 --> 00:34:40,706 You know, I think I do, I do need someone with me. 591 00:34:40,742 --> 00:34:43,054 Mm. And I can arrange that. Of course. 592 00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:44,922 But can you answer that question, please? 593 00:34:44,947 --> 00:34:48,648 Because I'm aware that, of the three of you that were married, 594 00:34:49,031 --> 00:34:52,054 all of you were separated within the year. 595 00:34:52,140 --> 00:34:55,020 No, that was, that was, that was nothing to do with anything 596 00:34:55,047 --> 00:34:56,551 that happened on that break. 597 00:34:56,576 --> 00:34:57,656 So... 598 00:34:59,072 --> 00:35:00,192 Sure. 599 00:35:01,657 --> 00:35:02,919 Who's that? 600 00:35:04,521 --> 00:35:08,980 That's my girlfriend and her son. I want to stop now, please. 601 00:35:09,570 --> 00:35:11,130 One more thing. 602 00:35:14,820 --> 00:35:17,100 Lastly, we're asking everyone that we speak to 603 00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:20,180 how they'd feel about providing a DNA swab. 604 00:35:20,987 --> 00:35:22,987 Entirely voluntary of course. 605 00:35:23,529 --> 00:35:24,929 How would you feel about that? 606 00:35:25,815 --> 00:35:27,255 Not a problem. 607 00:35:27,391 --> 00:35:28,911 Good. It won't take a minute. 608 00:35:36,637 --> 00:35:38,780 Mr Mullery, DC Jake Collier. 609 00:35:38,808 --> 00:35:40,836 Have you got five minutes for a quick chat, sir? 610 00:35:40,860 --> 00:35:42,180 Now, you'll have my home address, 611 00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:44,460 but you decided to come here because you thought what? 612 00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:45,980 That I'd be embarrassed 613 00:35:46,180 --> 00:35:48,540 and gratefully duck into some car so no-one saw? 614 00:35:48,740 --> 00:35:50,900 I just want to ask a few quick questions, sir. 615 00:35:50,940 --> 00:35:52,940 So a couple of hours ago, the head suggested 616 00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:54,540 that maybe I should take some leave. 617 00:35:54,620 --> 00:35:57,100 Some of the parents have been uncomfortable with the situation. 618 00:35:57,260 --> 00:35:59,700 And, of course, I could refuse because she has no legal right. 619 00:35:59,740 --> 00:36:02,180 But do you know what? I have spent the past 18 years 620 00:36:02,380 --> 00:36:04,740 telling people that I wasn't even charged, 621 00:36:04,940 --> 00:36:06,500 that not one single piece of evidence 622 00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:08,420 could ever be found to incriminate me, 623 00:36:08,580 --> 00:36:10,500 that the lead detective retired 624 00:36:10,700 --> 00:36:13,020 just before a misconduct case could be brought against him. 625 00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:15,340 So I am knackered 626 00:36:15,540 --> 00:36:18,740 and I'll take the paid break, thank you very much. 627 00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:20,140 But what it also means 628 00:36:20,340 --> 00:36:22,500 is that I am not remotely fucking embarrassed, mate. 629 00:36:23,580 --> 00:36:26,140 I'm not remotely embarrassed to stand here 630 00:36:26,340 --> 00:36:29,780 and tell you loudly, no, I will not talk to you. 631 00:36:29,940 --> 00:36:31,420 I will not sit in a car or a room 632 00:36:31,620 --> 00:36:33,820 or anywhere with you, voluntarily, ever. 633 00:36:34,020 --> 00:36:36,820 And if you want to arrest me, be my guest. 634 00:36:37,020 --> 00:36:39,620 But I'll not say another fucking word to you. 635 00:36:39,780 --> 00:36:41,300 Not even, "No comment." 636 00:36:41,460 --> 00:36:43,580 Because I think the police are scum. 637 00:36:43,620 --> 00:36:46,300 I think you lie. I think you break the law. 638 00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:48,260 I think you take bribes and you sell stories. 639 00:36:48,340 --> 00:36:52,220 But worse than that, most unforgiveable of all, 640 00:36:52,380 --> 00:36:54,660 I think you're thick. 641 00:36:54,860 --> 00:36:57,540 I think your ranks are made up of dim-witted mediocrity 642 00:36:57,740 --> 00:36:59,620 who joined the force because they want power 643 00:36:59,820 --> 00:37:02,100 but they're too stupid to get employed anywhere else. 644 00:37:03,460 --> 00:37:06,220 So... shame on you... 645 00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:09,260 ..for the way you treated me... 646 00:37:11,620 --> 00:37:14,660 ..for letting Hayley down so... catastrophically. 647 00:37:16,300 --> 00:37:19,460 And shame on you, DC Jake Collier... 648 00:37:21,060 --> 00:37:22,980 for becoming a police officer. 649 00:37:34,580 --> 00:37:36,260 And how sure did he seem? 650 00:37:36,460 --> 00:37:38,460 Pretty sure. It was an instinctive reaction. 651 00:37:38,660 --> 00:37:40,900 I don't think he was recognising her from the newspapers. 652 00:37:41,020 --> 00:37:43,180 So this definitively places her in the house, 653 00:37:43,220 --> 00:37:46,140 possibly with all four men, before the wives and kids arrived? Yeah. 654 00:37:46,300 --> 00:37:48,420 What was he like otherwise? 655 00:37:49,540 --> 00:37:50,660 Odd. 656 00:37:50,820 --> 00:37:51,980 An odd mixture. 657 00:37:53,060 --> 00:37:55,780 I mean, I guess you've got to ask, why would he be telling me 658 00:37:55,980 --> 00:37:58,276 that he saw Hayley in the house if he had something to hide? 659 00:37:58,300 --> 00:37:59,620 But... 660 00:37:59,820 --> 00:38:03,020 But when I asked him if he'd give a DNA swab, 661 00:38:03,220 --> 00:38:05,820 he slightly looked like he'd just shat himself. 662 00:38:08,420 --> 00:38:10,300 What's his background? 663 00:38:10,460 --> 00:38:11,900 Er... 664 00:38:13,460 --> 00:38:16,340 Lived and worked in Hong Kong for 25 years. 665 00:38:16,540 --> 00:38:19,940 Only married for the first time six years ago. 666 00:38:21,220 --> 00:38:23,620 No previous convictions, at least not here. 667 00:38:23,780 --> 00:38:24,940 Ah... 668 00:38:25,140 --> 00:38:27,060 Drove down to Middenham on a motorbike. 669 00:38:27,260 --> 00:38:30,940 Do we have a response from James Hollis about his car yet? 670 00:38:31,140 --> 00:38:33,620 I'll chase that. Er, how was your man? 671 00:38:35,180 --> 00:38:36,460 So, erm... 672 00:38:37,540 --> 00:38:39,260 He lives in a camper van. 673 00:38:39,420 --> 00:38:40,540 Oh. 674 00:38:40,740 --> 00:38:44,940 I'd say he's definitely had some mental health issues, 675 00:38:44,980 --> 00:38:47,140 looks like he hasn't got a pot to piss in. 676 00:38:47,180 --> 00:38:49,460 Except, in 1999, 677 00:38:49,620 --> 00:38:52,900 he was CEO of DDM Lowe, 678 00:38:53,060 --> 00:38:56,860 his own advertising agency. 679 00:38:57,060 --> 00:38:59,940 And this is a guy who got a double first from Cambridge, 680 00:39:00,140 --> 00:39:03,300 was basically a bit of a genius through his life, 681 00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:06,580 lived in a five million quid house in Notting Hill. 682 00:39:07,660 --> 00:39:09,300 Wow. When did he leave? 683 00:39:09,460 --> 00:39:10,740 Early 2000. 684 00:39:11,820 --> 00:39:14,060 "To pursue new challenges." 685 00:39:14,260 --> 00:39:15,740 What, like, how to live in a car park? 686 00:39:15,780 --> 00:39:17,780 PHONE JINGLE 687 00:39:19,620 --> 00:39:21,060 DCI Stuart. 688 00:39:21,220 --> 00:39:24,020 Hello, I'm just returning your call. 689 00:39:24,220 --> 00:39:27,140 It's Mel Hollis here. I'm James Hollis' ex-wife. 690 00:39:27,340 --> 00:39:29,740 Ah, Mrs Hollis. Yeah, thanks for returning my call. 691 00:39:32,780 --> 00:39:34,380 No, it wasn't a pleasant evening. 692 00:39:34,580 --> 00:39:36,740 What it was was a train wreck. 693 00:39:36,780 --> 00:39:38,180 In what way? 694 00:39:39,540 --> 00:39:42,260 Look the meal was fine, we ate, we cleared up, 695 00:39:42,460 --> 00:39:44,860 the kids were knackered, it'd been a long day getting there, 696 00:39:45,020 --> 00:39:46,700 so they went to bed about 9:30. 697 00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:49,740 Which was good. That they were in bed, I mean, 698 00:39:49,940 --> 00:39:54,660 because they didn't have to see Chris go completely nuts, 699 00:39:54,860 --> 00:39:57,020 for want of a better word. How do you mean? 700 00:39:57,060 --> 00:39:59,260 Out of the blue, he just started ranting 701 00:39:59,460 --> 00:40:02,700 about his life, his marriage, his friends... 702 00:40:04,020 --> 00:40:07,660 ..how it all meant nothing, how everything was an illusion. 703 00:40:07,860 --> 00:40:10,660 It was quiet terrifying. Wow, yeah, I can imagine. 704 00:40:10,820 --> 00:40:13,300 And, so... what did people do? 705 00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:16,860 Well, I mean, we all tried to calm him down, obviously, 706 00:40:17,020 --> 00:40:19,180 particularly Laura his wife. 707 00:40:19,380 --> 00:40:22,340 But he was flailing his arms and shouting and... 708 00:40:23,620 --> 00:40:26,340 To be honest, we were all quite relieved 709 00:40:26,540 --> 00:40:28,540 when he then just suddenly walked out. 710 00:40:28,740 --> 00:40:30,100 Of the house? Mm-hm. 711 00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:33,100 And went where? I don't know. 712 00:40:34,980 --> 00:40:36,300 Had he been drinking? 713 00:40:36,460 --> 00:40:37,900 Well, he'd had a few. 714 00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:40,100 We'd all had a few. It was New Year's Eve. 715 00:40:41,260 --> 00:40:42,420 Anything else? 716 00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:46,300 Someone might have bought some coke. 717 00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:48,220 I don't know, maybe he'd had a bit of that. 718 00:40:50,580 --> 00:40:51,860 OK. 719 00:40:52,020 --> 00:40:53,300 So who was taking coke? 720 00:40:54,780 --> 00:40:56,940 Not me. Not any of the women, actually. 721 00:40:56,980 --> 00:40:58,460 Tim Finch? 722 00:40:58,660 --> 00:41:01,060 Definitely not, no. He never did that. 723 00:41:01,220 --> 00:41:04,460 Pete, no, he was more of a drinker. 724 00:41:04,620 --> 00:41:06,420 James... yes. 725 00:41:06,620 --> 00:41:09,980 In fact, I think it was him that probably bought it. 726 00:41:10,140 --> 00:41:13,500 When Chris went out of the house, 727 00:41:13,700 --> 00:41:16,420 what time would that have been? I don't know. 728 00:41:16,620 --> 00:41:19,660 Just after ten, I guess. And did anyone go after him? 729 00:41:19,820 --> 00:41:22,180 Yeah, after a minute or two... 730 00:41:22,340 --> 00:41:24,740 ..er, James and Tim. 731 00:41:24,940 --> 00:41:27,100 Did they catch up with him? No. 732 00:41:27,140 --> 00:41:29,860 No, Chris came back on his own about an hour and a half later. 733 00:41:30,020 --> 00:41:31,500 He was absolutely drenched. 734 00:41:31,700 --> 00:41:33,460 I mean, it was raining hard at this point 735 00:41:33,660 --> 00:41:35,820 and his clothes were covered with mud 736 00:41:35,860 --> 00:41:38,220 and he went straight upstairs to bed. 737 00:41:38,420 --> 00:41:40,980 No explanation, no apology, nothing. Right. 738 00:41:41,140 --> 00:41:42,500 Where was Pete Carr at this point? 739 00:41:42,700 --> 00:41:44,860 Pete had been out since right after the meal, 740 00:41:45,060 --> 00:41:47,540 trying his luck at the pub. Trying his luck? 741 00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:49,060 The ladies. 742 00:41:50,460 --> 00:41:52,100 He got back just after midnight. 743 00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:54,460 On his own? Mm-hm. 744 00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:55,980 And pissed. 745 00:41:56,180 --> 00:41:58,940 And your husband and Dr Finch? The same. 746 00:41:59,140 --> 00:42:01,900 No, they got back just before midnight. 747 00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:04,100 Just in time for Auld Lang Syne, bless. 748 00:42:04,260 --> 00:42:06,260 Were they separate or together? 749 00:42:08,420 --> 00:42:09,740 I can't remember. 750 00:42:11,420 --> 00:42:13,380 And what happened then? 751 00:42:13,580 --> 00:42:15,980 The guys went to bed, the women stayed up 752 00:42:16,180 --> 00:42:18,340 and talked about our car crash marriages. 753 00:42:18,380 --> 00:42:19,380 OK. 754 00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:23,580 This is really important, Ms Hollis, so... 755 00:42:24,860 --> 00:42:26,860 ..I want you to think very carefully, please. 756 00:42:27,980 --> 00:42:32,620 Did you see anyone go out again after that? 757 00:42:32,780 --> 00:42:33,820 No. 758 00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:36,420 No-one went out again after that. 759 00:42:41,060 --> 00:42:42,460 You sound very certain. 760 00:42:43,700 --> 00:42:46,500 Firstly, I sat up talking to Laura and Derran 761 00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:49,700 till about three o'clock in the morning, and then... 762 00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:52,780 I wasn't going to sleep with James that night, so I slept on the sofa. 763 00:42:52,980 --> 00:42:55,580 Except, I didn't, really. Sleep, I mean. 764 00:42:55,780 --> 00:42:58,020 So that meant I would have seen if anyone had gone out. 765 00:42:58,180 --> 00:42:59,540 And they didn't. 766 00:43:02,780 --> 00:43:04,100 Right. 767 00:43:05,980 --> 00:43:07,220 Fuck. 768 00:43:07,420 --> 00:43:10,060 The last sighting of her was after they were all back in the house. 769 00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:14,460 So she could be lying. Yep. 770 00:43:14,660 --> 00:43:17,300 Or mistaken. Maybe she did sleep and one of them came down 771 00:43:17,500 --> 00:43:19,300 at four or five or whatever and then went out. 772 00:43:19,460 --> 00:43:22,340 Except, if one of them came down at four or five, 773 00:43:22,540 --> 00:43:25,380 went out then and killed her, where... 774 00:43:25,580 --> 00:43:28,420 ..where was Hayley between leaving the pub at 12:10 and four or five? 775 00:43:30,220 --> 00:43:32,380 No, that feels wrong. Yeah, maybe. 776 00:43:32,420 --> 00:43:33,780 But not as wrong as all four men 777 00:43:33,980 --> 00:43:36,140 having clearly lied to us through their teeth. 778 00:43:36,180 --> 00:43:37,620 There is that. 779 00:43:39,380 --> 00:43:40,780 I need a drink. 780 00:43:40,940 --> 00:43:42,620 There is that. 781 00:43:55,060 --> 00:43:57,220 SHE TYPES 782 00:43:57,380 --> 00:43:59,860 Yeah, it was about ten past, 783 00:44:00,020 --> 00:44:01,820 maybe quarter past midnight. 784 00:44:02,020 --> 00:44:04,980 Enough time to change, anyway. For the party? Yeah. 785 00:44:05,140 --> 00:44:06,980 Cos she went as Madonna, 786 00:44:07,140 --> 00:44:09,260 the Desperately Seeking Susan one. 787 00:44:09,460 --> 00:44:11,620 You know, all the slap and the hair and everything. 788 00:44:11,780 --> 00:44:14,340 It was an '80s theme, I think. 789 00:44:16,820 --> 00:44:18,380 Sorry, just a sec. Sure. 790 00:44:26,060 --> 00:44:28,420 This is from Hayley's diary. 791 00:44:28,620 --> 00:44:32,820 "I hate the '80s, I hate fancy dress, so am going as ME!! 792 00:44:32,860 --> 00:44:35,380 "They should be so lucky. Lucky, lucky, lucky!!" 793 00:44:35,540 --> 00:44:36,620 Maybe she changed her mind. 794 00:44:38,380 --> 00:44:41,540 Were there any other female staff going to the party 795 00:44:41,740 --> 00:44:44,100 who would have been the same age, same build as Hayley? 796 00:44:48,020 --> 00:44:51,380 PHONE JINGLE 797 00:44:51,540 --> 00:44:52,900 Hey... 798 00:44:55,060 --> 00:44:56,580 Hey, Fran, what's up? 799 00:44:56,780 --> 00:44:59,220 There was another employee, same build, same colouring, 800 00:44:59,380 --> 00:45:00,660 same hair as Hayley, 801 00:45:00,860 --> 00:45:03,180 who's just confirmed to me that she went as Madonna 802 00:45:03,340 --> 00:45:05,020 and she left around 12:10. 803 00:45:05,220 --> 00:45:07,740 So you think the manager saw her leaving, not Hayley? 804 00:45:07,940 --> 00:45:10,100 I think it has to be a very strong possibility. 805 00:45:10,140 --> 00:45:13,020 Which means the last confirmed sighting of Hayley was way earlier. 806 00:45:13,220 --> 00:45:16,380 At 11, after which she could easily have bunked off work early. 807 00:45:16,540 --> 00:45:18,460 OK, this is brilliant work, Fran. 808 00:45:18,542 --> 00:45:20,291 Let's talk first thing tomorrow. 809 00:45:20,316 --> 00:45:22,082 Goodnight, boss. You heard that? 810 00:45:22,121 --> 00:45:24,001 So she could actually have left the pub earlier. 811 00:45:24,026 --> 00:45:25,306 At 11. 812 00:45:25,459 --> 00:45:28,794 Which means we now have four men, variously pissed, 813 00:45:28,836 --> 00:45:31,116 drugged up and possibly mentally unstable, 814 00:45:31,159 --> 00:45:32,919 out somewhere in Middenham, 815 00:45:33,540 --> 00:45:35,633 at exactly the same time as Hayley. 816 00:46:05,620 --> 00:46:08,500 Subtitles by TVT 61458

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