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He's downstairs. 13 00:00:48,933 --> 00:00:52,373 I could sense that there was always a fear in their life. 14 00:00:52,408 --> 00:00:54,127 They were always worried 15 00:00:54,133 --> 00:00:57,503 that they were going to be attacked or robbed. 16 00:00:57,538 --> 00:00:58,732 There's not a time that goes by 17 00:00:58,767 --> 00:01:01,197 that I don't think about my sister and her husband. 18 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:02,632 I wanted justice. I wanted -- 19 00:01:02,667 --> 00:01:04,567 you know, I wanted to find out who did this. 20 00:01:04,602 --> 00:01:05,897 Why did they do this? 21 00:01:05,900 --> 00:01:07,800 I wanted to find out who killed my sister. 22 00:01:09,633 --> 00:01:19,581 23 00:01:19,616 --> 00:01:29,530 24 00:01:29,533 --> 00:01:39,465 25 00:01:41,805 --> 00:01:44,732 26 00:01:45,867 --> 00:01:47,397 you've reached pat and rich. 27 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,132 We're not available to take your call. 28 00:01:49,167 --> 00:01:51,197 Leave a message, and we'll get back to you. 29 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,530 Mom, dad, it's Michelle. 30 00:01:57,533 --> 00:01:59,498 31 00:01:59,533 --> 00:02:01,798 it's now 11:30, 32 00:02:01,833 --> 00:02:04,332 and this is the third time I've called. 33 00:02:04,367 --> 00:02:08,227 Can you please, either of you, call me back when you get this 34 00:02:08,233 --> 00:02:10,833 so I know you're okay? 35 00:02:10,868 --> 00:02:13,898 I love you. Bye. 36 00:02:13,933 --> 00:02:17,533 There was a birthday party that was supposed to take place. 37 00:02:17,568 --> 00:02:20,132 Michelle, my niece, 38 00:02:20,167 --> 00:02:23,327 had invited her parents to this birthday party. 39 00:02:23,333 --> 00:02:26,118 They didn't show up, and it was unusual 40 00:02:26,153 --> 00:02:28,711 for them not to communicate, you know, 41 00:02:28,746 --> 00:02:31,232 'cause Michelle was close to her mom. 42 00:02:31,267 --> 00:02:35,397 Michelle didn't hear anything Saturday or Sunday. 43 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,230 Michelle was working as a dispatcher 44 00:02:37,233 --> 00:02:38,532 for the police department, 45 00:02:38,567 --> 00:02:39,827 and she asked the police department 46 00:02:39,833 --> 00:02:43,533 to do a wellness check on her parents. 47 00:02:43,568 --> 00:02:45,865 Hey, it's Michelle. 48 00:02:45,900 --> 00:02:48,732 Yeah. I got a favor to ask. 49 00:02:48,767 --> 00:02:51,932 I need you to check on my parents. 50 00:02:51,967 --> 00:02:54,067 Unit five, we've got a request for a welfare check 51 00:02:54,102 --> 00:02:56,132 at 112 south street, over. 52 00:02:56,167 --> 00:02:57,727 Sergeant William Britt, 53 00:02:57,733 --> 00:03:01,173 a 33-year veteran of Philadelphia homicide, 54 00:03:01,208 --> 00:03:03,532 is a supervisor on duty that night. 55 00:03:03,567 --> 00:03:06,297 I was informed that the radio dispatcher 56 00:03:06,300 --> 00:03:08,130 wanted to do a check on the wellbeing, 57 00:03:08,133 --> 00:03:11,503 and her supervisor had said, "come on. Let's go." 58 00:03:11,538 --> 00:03:14,400 And they notified the district officers. 59 00:03:14,435 --> 00:03:16,400 That's the 6th district there. 60 00:03:16,435 --> 00:03:19,130 61 00:03:22,208 --> 00:03:27,987 62 00:03:28,022 --> 00:03:33,732 63 00:03:33,767 --> 00:03:37,327 gate's open. 64 00:03:37,333 --> 00:03:40,432 Mr. Zimmerman, Philadelphia police. 65 00:03:40,467 --> 00:03:43,167 - The lights are on up there. - If there was someone up there, 66 00:03:43,202 --> 00:03:45,527 they had to have heard that. Come on. 67 00:03:45,533 --> 00:03:49,065 We got to get up there and see what's going on. 68 00:03:49,100 --> 00:03:52,315 Dispatcher, I need a wagon at 100 block of south street. 69 00:03:52,350 --> 00:03:55,530 They pulled up onto the pavement and climbed onto the roof 70 00:03:55,533 --> 00:03:59,073 and were able to get up and look in. 71 00:03:59,108 --> 00:04:01,297 Damn. 72 00:04:01,300 --> 00:04:03,132 We got a problem here. 73 00:04:03,167 --> 00:04:05,397 - What is it? - We got two bodies up here. 74 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,430 Call it in. 75 00:04:08,433 --> 00:04:11,673 We got a male, female here at 112 south street. 76 00:04:11,708 --> 00:04:12,897 We need a bus. 77 00:04:12,900 --> 00:04:15,365 Murders come every day, 78 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,830 but this was society hill. 79 00:04:17,833 --> 00:04:19,198 It's an affluent area. 80 00:04:19,233 --> 00:04:21,598 There's a lot of nightlife, condos. 81 00:04:21,633 --> 00:04:23,733 You know there's going to be a lot of questions, 82 00:04:23,768 --> 00:04:27,165 but we work every murder the same way. 83 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,500 Philadelphia homicide detective Mike Walter from one squad 84 00:04:30,535 --> 00:04:32,665 is assigned the case. 85 00:04:32,700 --> 00:04:36,830 He arrives at the zimmermans' house while sergeant bill britt 86 00:04:36,833 --> 00:04:38,950 is already processing the crime scene. 87 00:04:38,985 --> 00:04:41,067 Looks like they've been here a while. 88 00:04:41,102 --> 00:04:43,897 89 00:04:43,900 --> 00:04:47,400 one shot each, back of the head, 90 00:04:47,435 --> 00:04:49,400 like a hit maybe. 91 00:04:49,435 --> 00:04:50,832 Maybe. 92 00:04:50,867 --> 00:04:55,097 You see the male sitting at the table. 93 00:04:55,100 --> 00:04:59,070 I don't think he saw what was happening when he was shot. 94 00:04:59,105 --> 00:05:02,532 It was pretty gruesome. 95 00:05:02,567 --> 00:05:06,297 Victims are Richard and Patty Zimmerman, 96 00:05:06,300 --> 00:05:08,432 husband and wife. 97 00:05:08,467 --> 00:05:10,767 About to sit down to eat. 98 00:05:10,802 --> 00:05:12,467 Looks like it. 99 00:05:12,502 --> 00:05:22,427 100 00:05:22,433 --> 00:05:24,503 check this out. 101 00:05:24,538 --> 00:05:34,432 102 00:05:34,467 --> 00:05:37,297 diamonds... 103 00:05:37,300 --> 00:05:39,465 In each of them. 104 00:05:39,500 --> 00:05:42,130 It almost looked like he had been looking at jewelry 105 00:05:42,133 --> 00:05:44,465 or stones when he was shot, 106 00:05:44,500 --> 00:05:47,530 because he was slumped to the left, his hand was down, 107 00:05:47,533 --> 00:05:49,873 and there were some envelopes on the floor. 108 00:05:49,908 --> 00:05:53,297 A whole lot of money, lot of money. 109 00:05:53,300 --> 00:05:56,500 It was troublesome because there was no forced entry. 110 00:05:56,535 --> 00:06:00,330 We could not find anything out of place. 111 00:06:00,333 --> 00:06:03,831 Nothing appeared to be missing. And it was, 112 00:06:03,866 --> 00:06:07,330 "okay. What's the motivation for this?" 113 00:06:07,333 --> 00:06:10,081 So what? So the doer comes in, 114 00:06:10,116 --> 00:06:12,830 or more likely, they let him in. 115 00:06:12,833 --> 00:06:14,833 Mr. Zimmerman's already at the table. 116 00:06:14,868 --> 00:06:17,032 Bang. 117 00:06:17,067 --> 00:06:18,727 Mrs. Zimmerman comes in from the kitchen 118 00:06:18,733 --> 00:06:23,332 when she hears the shot. Then he turns on her. Bang. 119 00:06:23,367 --> 00:06:26,067 And then what? He just leaves all the cash, the diamonds, 120 00:06:26,102 --> 00:06:29,497 everything, and just walks out? 121 00:06:29,500 --> 00:06:30,815 Like a hit. 122 00:06:30,850 --> 00:06:32,130 Like a hit. 123 00:06:32,133 --> 00:06:34,298 And it was like boom, boom. 124 00:06:34,333 --> 00:06:36,773 They weren't expecting this at all. 125 00:06:39,102 --> 00:06:42,032 Detectives. 126 00:06:42,067 --> 00:06:46,297 We found one shell casing from a.45, 127 00:06:46,300 --> 00:06:48,065 a semi-automatic pistol. 128 00:06:48,100 --> 00:06:50,413 Now we're getting somewhere. 129 00:06:50,448 --> 00:06:52,727 This was like a whodunit, 130 00:06:52,733 --> 00:06:55,032 and now you know your work is cut out for you, 131 00:06:55,067 --> 00:07:00,727 because now you have to really dissect their lives. 132 00:07:00,733 --> 00:07:02,065 Come on, Mario. How many more times 133 00:07:02,100 --> 00:07:03,930 you going to be taking pictures like this? 134 00:07:03,933 --> 00:07:04,932 Enough. 135 00:07:04,967 --> 00:07:06,197 Patty and Richard Zimmerman 136 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,670 had lived in Philadelphia 30 years. 137 00:07:08,705 --> 00:07:10,032 They had two children, 138 00:07:10,067 --> 00:07:12,317 Michelle and Matthew. That's my girl. 139 00:07:12,352 --> 00:07:14,532 Mario ditroia is Patty's brother. 140 00:07:14,567 --> 00:07:19,467 Patty was born Patricia ditroia in 1950. 141 00:07:19,502 --> 00:07:22,327 Patty was 15 years older than I. 142 00:07:22,333 --> 00:07:24,498 She rebelled against my dad, 143 00:07:24,533 --> 00:07:27,680 so she left and ran away from home 144 00:07:27,715 --> 00:07:30,827 when she was about 16, 17 years old. 145 00:07:31,900 --> 00:07:33,130 People are going to think I'm wanted 146 00:07:33,133 --> 00:07:35,532 by the way you're taking pictures of me like that. 147 00:07:35,567 --> 00:07:39,327 After she left, Patty met Richie, started a little family, 148 00:07:39,333 --> 00:07:41,701 and started their jewelry business, 149 00:07:41,736 --> 00:07:44,070 and she made a good life for herself. 150 00:07:44,105 --> 00:07:45,497 Hi. 151 00:07:45,500 --> 00:07:47,870 Patty seemed very happy at that stage in her life. 152 00:07:47,905 --> 00:07:49,427 Beautiful, absolutely beautiful. 153 00:07:49,433 --> 00:07:51,233 I mean, she really had a good life. 154 00:07:51,268 --> 00:07:54,069 Stop. 155 00:07:54,104 --> 00:07:56,832 156 00:07:56,867 --> 00:08:00,327 as the sun rises over society hill the next morning, 157 00:08:00,333 --> 00:08:03,065 detectives ratchet up their investigation. 158 00:08:03,100 --> 00:08:06,200 The first order of business was to start doing interviews, 159 00:08:06,235 --> 00:08:07,665 talk to the family, 160 00:08:07,700 --> 00:08:09,532 and get a clearer picture 161 00:08:09,567 --> 00:08:13,397 of Richard and Patricia's life. 162 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:14,732 Any witnesses? 163 00:08:14,767 --> 00:08:16,832 No, nothing. The daughter's here, 164 00:08:16,867 --> 00:08:19,067 the one that called about the welfare check. 165 00:08:19,102 --> 00:08:22,367 Okay. Which one is she? 166 00:08:22,402 --> 00:08:25,832 There. 167 00:08:25,867 --> 00:08:28,727 We want to find out from the daughter, Michelle, 168 00:08:28,733 --> 00:08:31,373 when the last time they spoke to them? 169 00:08:31,408 --> 00:08:33,297 What's their everyday life like? 170 00:08:33,300 --> 00:08:35,332 Did they have any enemies? 171 00:08:35,367 --> 00:08:37,232 When you last spoke with your parents, 172 00:08:37,267 --> 00:08:40,697 did they mention having any trouble with anybody? 173 00:08:40,700 --> 00:08:42,632 Not recently. 174 00:08:42,667 --> 00:08:44,327 I mean, they had some tough times in the past, 175 00:08:44,333 --> 00:08:45,898 but they were tough people. 176 00:08:45,933 --> 00:08:47,800 Is there anyone else in your family, 177 00:08:47,835 --> 00:08:49,667 anyone we got to get in touch with? 178 00:08:49,702 --> 00:08:52,797 Yeah, Matthew, my brother. 179 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,500 And, obviously, we need to talk to the son. 180 00:08:56,535 --> 00:08:59,600 The mom and dad are dead, unexplained. 181 00:08:59,635 --> 00:09:00,865 Where is he? 182 00:09:00,900 --> 00:09:03,130 Is he possibly dead, too? 183 00:09:03,133 --> 00:09:04,565 I'll try and find him, 184 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,330 let him know you want to talk to him. 185 00:09:07,333 --> 00:09:10,153 A few hours after police speak with Michelle, 186 00:09:10,188 --> 00:09:12,973 her brother, Matthew, shows up at police headquarters. 187 00:09:13,008 --> 00:09:15,032 You got any idea who'd want to do this? 188 00:09:15,067 --> 00:09:17,667 Your mom and dad, they got any beefs with anybody? 189 00:09:17,702 --> 00:09:19,032 Man, I got no idea. 190 00:09:19,067 --> 00:09:22,797 He's like, "I have nothing to do with my mom and dad. 191 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,270 I was on my own since I was 17 years old. 192 00:09:25,305 --> 00:09:27,032 They threw me out of the house. 193 00:09:27,067 --> 00:09:29,227 I don't even know where they live at." 194 00:09:29,233 --> 00:09:31,203 Still, I'm sure that's a blow, 195 00:09:31,238 --> 00:09:32,982 both your parents going that way. 196 00:09:33,017 --> 00:09:34,727 Like I said, we weren't close. 197 00:09:34,733 --> 00:09:37,032 He wasn't upset. 198 00:09:37,067 --> 00:09:39,527 He just was, like, blank. 199 00:09:39,533 --> 00:09:41,065 Matt, where were you this weekend? 200 00:09:41,100 --> 00:09:44,800 I was up in Kensington, a couple buddies, helping them move. 201 00:09:44,835 --> 00:09:46,465 You can ask them if you'd like. 202 00:09:46,500 --> 00:09:51,200 And he was with them, you know, the entire time of the weekend. 203 00:09:51,235 --> 00:09:53,630 And gave US the names of the individuals, 204 00:09:53,633 --> 00:09:58,598 and, you know, then we're going to follow up. 205 00:09:58,633 --> 00:10:01,303 Investigators visit Matthew's neighborhood 206 00:10:01,338 --> 00:10:04,330 in the Kensington section of Philadelphia, 207 00:10:04,333 --> 00:10:06,503 five miles from society hill 208 00:10:06,538 --> 00:10:09,130 and a world away. 209 00:10:09,133 --> 00:10:12,073 His friend, Tammy, is easy to find. 210 00:10:12,108 --> 00:10:13,632 New digs? 211 00:10:13,667 --> 00:10:16,832 Yeah. Still moving, as you can see. 212 00:10:16,867 --> 00:10:19,167 So, did Matt help you with all this this weekend? 213 00:10:19,202 --> 00:10:21,932 Um...no. 214 00:10:21,967 --> 00:10:23,767 He was supposed to show up Friday night. 215 00:10:23,802 --> 00:10:25,167 We waited and waited. 216 00:10:25,202 --> 00:10:26,497 He didn't show. 217 00:10:26,500 --> 00:10:28,332 We ended up doing it all ourselves. 218 00:10:28,367 --> 00:10:30,567 When they asked him, you know, "yo, what's up? 219 00:10:30,602 --> 00:10:33,032 Why didn't you come and help US move?" 220 00:10:33,067 --> 00:10:36,367 He's like, "I got lost. You know, I couldn't find it." 221 00:10:36,402 --> 00:10:39,027 Hard work, like moving, 222 00:10:39,033 --> 00:10:40,666 it's not Matt's thing. 223 00:10:40,701 --> 00:10:42,300 So when did he get here? 224 00:10:42,335 --> 00:10:43,565 On Saturday. 225 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,370 Then he was with US the rest of the weekend. 226 00:10:46,405 --> 00:10:47,397 All weekend? 227 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,032 Yeah, until Tuesday. 228 00:10:50,067 --> 00:10:52,867 His friend, Richie, came by around noon that day 229 00:10:52,902 --> 00:10:56,197 and told him about his parents being dead. 230 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:57,630 How'd he seem? 231 00:10:57,633 --> 00:10:59,933 He didn't show any emotion, 232 00:10:59,968 --> 00:11:02,198 but that's just Matthew. 233 00:11:02,233 --> 00:11:04,503 So, walking away from that interview, 234 00:11:04,538 --> 00:11:07,865 now Matthew's offering up an alibi, 235 00:11:07,900 --> 00:11:10,930 and they're saying, "no, that's not true," 236 00:11:10,933 --> 00:11:13,503 he's lying to US about his whereabouts, 237 00:11:13,538 --> 00:11:16,865 and why? 238 00:11:16,900 --> 00:11:18,932 Hoping to find an angle to work, 239 00:11:18,967 --> 00:11:22,032 detective Walter runs a background check into Matthew. 240 00:11:22,067 --> 00:11:25,067 Looks like this kid's been a guest of the city a few times. 241 00:11:25,102 --> 00:11:27,227 His record wasn't extraordinary. 242 00:11:27,233 --> 00:11:29,473 He had some contacts with law enforcement, 243 00:11:29,508 --> 00:11:31,132 but it was nothing that told US 244 00:11:31,167 --> 00:11:35,497 that this guy is wreaking havoc on the city of Philadelphia. 245 00:11:35,500 --> 00:11:36,632 Until they have something 246 00:11:36,667 --> 00:11:39,132 much more incriminating against Matthew, 247 00:11:39,167 --> 00:11:42,767 investigators have to pursue other leads in the case, 248 00:11:42,802 --> 00:11:46,897 and a solid one quickly materializes. 249 00:11:46,900 --> 00:11:49,130 Got the file on the zimmermans. 250 00:11:49,133 --> 00:11:52,573 This isn't the first time somebody's taken a shot at them. 251 00:11:52,608 --> 00:11:55,697 1994. Robbery, kidnapping. 252 00:11:55,700 --> 00:11:58,330 The guy who did this is about to be retried, 253 00:11:58,333 --> 00:12:03,573 and the star witnesses -- Patty and Richard Zimmerman. 254 00:12:03,608 --> 00:12:06,797 Before I was in homicide, I handled a robbery 255 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,713 and a kidnapping and a shooting 256 00:12:08,748 --> 00:12:10,627 of Richard and Patricia Zimmerman. 257 00:12:10,633 --> 00:12:13,453 And Richard was shot, Patricia was kidnapped. 258 00:12:13,488 --> 00:12:16,057 They were going to retry the individuals 259 00:12:16,092 --> 00:12:18,627 that committed the crime against the zimmermans, 260 00:12:18,633 --> 00:12:21,165 so this could be a motive. 261 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,300 They want to silence the zimmermans 262 00:12:23,335 --> 00:12:25,200 from testifying against them. 263 00:12:31,433 --> 00:12:36,532 264 00:12:36,567 --> 00:12:38,832 it's been less than 24 hours 265 00:12:38,867 --> 00:12:41,367 since Patty and Richard Zimmerman were found dead 266 00:12:41,402 --> 00:12:43,032 in their Philadelphia townhouse. 267 00:12:43,067 --> 00:12:44,327 People are going to think I'm wanted 268 00:12:44,333 --> 00:12:46,673 by the way you're taking pictures of me like that. 269 00:12:46,708 --> 00:12:48,897 As detectives dig into their past, 270 00:12:48,900 --> 00:12:50,730 they learn this was not the first time 271 00:12:50,733 --> 00:12:52,851 the couple had been targeted. 272 00:12:52,886 --> 00:12:54,970 Patty and Richie were attacked 273 00:12:55,005 --> 00:12:57,032 a few years before 274 00:12:57,067 --> 00:13:00,697 they were finally killed. 275 00:13:00,700 --> 00:13:03,530 As they were leaving one of their business locations, 276 00:13:03,533 --> 00:13:08,073 they were accosted, and Richie was shot in the leg. 277 00:13:08,108 --> 00:13:10,697 They almost blew Richie's leg off. 278 00:13:10,700 --> 00:13:12,665 My sister was abducted. 279 00:13:12,700 --> 00:13:14,463 I remember my sister telling me 280 00:13:14,498 --> 00:13:16,227 that they ripped her earrings out, 281 00:13:16,233 --> 00:13:19,666 then they, you know, drove her around, and... 282 00:13:19,701 --> 00:13:23,100 They finally dumped her out in front of a church. 283 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:27,530 Philadelphia police had apprehended 284 00:13:27,533 --> 00:13:29,800 only one of the three kidnappers, 285 00:13:29,835 --> 00:13:32,032 an ex-con named Gregory Hughes, 286 00:13:32,067 --> 00:13:34,827 who is now back in jail with a different charge. 287 00:13:34,833 --> 00:13:37,273 His first trial for the attack on the zimmermans 288 00:13:37,308 --> 00:13:39,332 ended in a hung jury, 289 00:13:39,367 --> 00:13:42,327 and the retrial is scheduled a few short weeks away 290 00:13:42,333 --> 00:13:46,503 with the star witnesses, Patricia and Richard Zimmerman, 291 00:13:46,538 --> 00:13:47,832 making Gregory Hughes 292 00:13:47,867 --> 00:13:51,267 one of investigators' first suspects in their murders. 293 00:13:51,302 --> 00:13:53,427 If Gregory Hughes was a defendant 294 00:13:53,433 --> 00:13:57,703 in a case where Richard and/or Patricia Zimmerman 295 00:13:57,738 --> 00:14:00,032 would be testifying against him, 296 00:14:00,067 --> 00:14:04,867 that person would have a motive to eliminate the witnesses. 297 00:14:04,902 --> 00:14:06,727 They're dead? 298 00:14:06,733 --> 00:14:08,673 - Both of them? - That's right, Greg. 299 00:14:08,708 --> 00:14:10,832 - They're dead. - Damn. 300 00:14:10,867 --> 00:14:12,697 Two main witnesses against you, 301 00:14:12,700 --> 00:14:15,130 and they're killed right before you head back to trail. 302 00:14:15,133 --> 00:14:16,698 Talk about luck? 303 00:14:16,733 --> 00:14:18,673 You called someone from the outside. 304 00:14:18,708 --> 00:14:20,397 You called in a favor. 305 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,570 Man, you see me? You see where I am? 306 00:14:22,605 --> 00:14:24,427 It look like I can order a hit? 307 00:14:24,433 --> 00:14:26,265 What you think, I'm John gotti? 308 00:14:26,300 --> 00:14:28,097 Nah, man. It don't work like that. 309 00:14:28,100 --> 00:14:30,570 He lit up. It's like, "no, no, no, no. 310 00:14:30,605 --> 00:14:33,797 I had nothing to do with their murders. 311 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,330 Even if I wanted to, I don't have the ability to." 312 00:14:37,333 --> 00:14:39,073 Listen, man. You know just as well as I do 313 00:14:39,108 --> 00:14:40,397 that them people already testified 314 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,032 against me in the first trial. 315 00:14:42,067 --> 00:14:44,127 They just going to read that back in the next trial. 316 00:14:44,133 --> 00:14:46,433 Wiping them people out ain't gon' save me. 317 00:14:46,468 --> 00:14:48,598 In talking to him, he knew that, 318 00:14:48,633 --> 00:14:51,665 from the first trial, even if they were murdered, 319 00:14:51,700 --> 00:14:54,830 it wasn't going to prevent their testimony from coming in. 320 00:14:54,833 --> 00:14:57,500 We never found anything that, you know, 321 00:14:57,535 --> 00:14:59,601 whether it was prison correspondence 322 00:14:59,636 --> 00:15:01,632 or phone calls or anything like that, 323 00:15:01,667 --> 00:15:04,667 that he was soliciting help from the outside. 324 00:15:04,702 --> 00:15:06,532 Yo, listen. 325 00:15:06,567 --> 00:15:09,427 Those people know the business they're playing in. 326 00:15:09,433 --> 00:15:12,832 You got the gold, you're the target. 327 00:15:12,867 --> 00:15:16,267 Although Hughes may not have had the zimmermans killed, 328 00:15:16,302 --> 00:15:20,467 the crime he's accused of had a lasting impact on the couple. 329 00:15:20,502 --> 00:15:27,127 330 00:15:27,133 --> 00:15:28,532 they changed their habits. 331 00:15:28,567 --> 00:15:31,567 They had a storefront on south street that they closed. 332 00:15:31,602 --> 00:15:34,397 Both had purchased guns and had them registered, 333 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,663 and then they went a step further. 334 00:15:36,698 --> 00:15:38,927 The zimmermans actually installed 335 00:15:38,933 --> 00:15:41,032 their own security system. 336 00:15:41,067 --> 00:15:42,767 You would have to call him and say, 337 00:15:42,802 --> 00:15:45,032 "hey, I want to come down, 338 00:15:45,067 --> 00:15:46,897 and I want to buy, you know, a chain," 339 00:15:46,900 --> 00:15:50,200 or, "I need you to fix my diamond ring," or whatnot. 340 00:15:50,235 --> 00:15:52,317 Yeah, 8:00 is good. 341 00:15:52,352 --> 00:15:54,365 I'll see you then. 342 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,432 When you got down there, 343 00:15:56,467 --> 00:16:00,067 on the other side of south street, 344 00:16:00,102 --> 00:16:02,397 about 20 yards from them, 345 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,232 was a pay phone, 346 00:16:04,267 --> 00:16:08,097 and they were instructed to get on that pay phone 347 00:16:08,100 --> 00:16:11,065 and call the house. 348 00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:13,565 - Hello? - Richard would answer. 349 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,370 He'd look out, see the person on the pay phone, 350 00:16:17,405 --> 00:16:20,867 and then he would tell his wife to go down 351 00:16:20,902 --> 00:16:22,427 and allow them to come in. 352 00:16:22,433 --> 00:16:23,798 Hey, pat. 353 00:16:23,833 --> 00:16:26,073 - What is it? - He's downstairs. 354 00:16:26,108 --> 00:16:27,427 It's okay. 355 00:16:27,433 --> 00:16:31,533 So he knew exactly who was coming through his door. 356 00:16:31,568 --> 00:16:33,065 You never popped in unannounced. 357 00:16:33,100 --> 00:16:36,198 If you did, they wouldn't answer the door. 358 00:16:36,233 --> 00:16:39,297 It tells you that the zimmermans knew, 359 00:16:39,300 --> 00:16:44,300 trusted, and let in, voluntarily, 360 00:16:44,335 --> 00:16:46,370 the people who murdered them. 361 00:16:46,405 --> 00:16:49,332 362 00:16:49,367 --> 00:16:51,497 six days into the investigation, 363 00:16:51,500 --> 00:16:53,770 detective Walter calls the crime lab 364 00:16:53,805 --> 00:16:55,927 for any leads from forensics. 365 00:16:58,733 --> 00:17:00,865 Good afternoon, sergeant. Yeah. 366 00:17:00,900 --> 00:17:03,270 I'm just checking in on those ballistics and prints. 367 00:17:03,305 --> 00:17:05,567 There were two spent shell casings 368 00:17:05,602 --> 00:17:08,527 that were.45 calibers, 369 00:17:08,533 --> 00:17:12,698 both close to the bodies. 370 00:17:12,733 --> 00:17:15,503 That ballistic evidence told US that the murder weapon 371 00:17:15,538 --> 00:17:17,230 was a.45 Cal, 372 00:17:17,233 --> 00:17:19,165 and it was an automatic. 373 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,097 Okay, and the prints? 374 00:17:21,100 --> 00:17:24,415 Unfortunately, there are no matches to known felons. 375 00:17:24,450 --> 00:17:27,730 It is assumed that the prints came from customers or clients. 376 00:17:27,733 --> 00:17:29,933 You don't have that smoking gun. 377 00:17:29,968 --> 00:17:32,519 You don't have an eyewitness. 378 00:17:32,554 --> 00:17:35,125 You have to take your time. 379 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,697 It was a difficult case. 380 00:17:37,700 --> 00:17:39,548 When detectives allow it, 381 00:17:39,583 --> 00:17:41,397 Patty Zimmerman's brother, Mario, 382 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:42,830 and daughter Michelle 383 00:17:42,833 --> 00:17:45,583 enter the apartment for the first time. 384 00:17:45,618 --> 00:17:48,333 The detectives handed me the keys 385 00:17:48,368 --> 00:17:50,632 and said, "here you go," 386 00:17:50,667 --> 00:17:53,797 and, you know, to walk into a place 387 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,070 where your family members were executed, 388 00:17:56,105 --> 00:17:57,527 it was kind of rough. 389 00:17:57,533 --> 00:18:01,365 390 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:02,730 are you ready for this? 391 00:18:02,733 --> 00:18:04,903 Michelle, obviously, didn't know what to expect. 392 00:18:04,938 --> 00:18:06,365 Yes. 393 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,830 You walk into a home where your sister and her husband lived, 394 00:18:09,833 --> 00:18:12,833 and then you can see their remains on the ground, 395 00:18:12,868 --> 00:18:15,573 you know, on the floor of their home. 396 00:18:15,608 --> 00:18:17,832 397 00:18:17,867 --> 00:18:20,197 you know, it hits home. It's like, "okay. 398 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:24,170 Well, this is where my brother-in-law was. 399 00:18:24,205 --> 00:18:27,727 This is where my sister was." 400 00:18:27,733 --> 00:18:29,733 You know, I mean, I can only imagine 401 00:18:29,768 --> 00:18:32,833 what Michelle was thinking. 402 00:18:32,868 --> 00:18:35,032 God. 403 00:18:35,067 --> 00:18:37,032 It's going to be okay. 404 00:18:37,067 --> 00:18:38,727 I'm trying to play this part of a rock 405 00:18:38,733 --> 00:18:41,403 and being supportive, and, you know, "hey, look. 406 00:18:41,438 --> 00:18:44,073 You know, we got to get this cleaned up," and... 407 00:18:44,108 --> 00:18:46,927 It wasn't a pleasant time. 408 00:18:46,933 --> 00:18:49,398 409 00:18:49,433 --> 00:18:52,203 and there is more unpleasantness in store, 410 00:18:52,238 --> 00:18:54,652 as Mario walks Michelle home one night. 411 00:18:57,067 --> 00:19:00,827 So, Michelle and I, we're walking back from dinner, 412 00:19:00,833 --> 00:19:05,073 and, on the sidewalk in front of her home 413 00:19:05,108 --> 00:19:09,832 was a message written out in chalk, 414 00:19:09,867 --> 00:19:13,397 big letters that said, "I'm sorry. Please forgive me." 415 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:17,730 Detective Walter records the disturbing event. 416 00:19:17,733 --> 00:19:19,265 Michelle, she was nervous. 417 00:19:19,300 --> 00:19:23,165 It was obviously a message that was sent to her. 418 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,070 She was afraid that whomever may have killed her parents 419 00:19:26,105 --> 00:19:29,297 may be, you know, out to get her. 420 00:19:29,300 --> 00:19:33,830 We tried to review security tapes in the area 421 00:19:33,833 --> 00:19:37,533 to see if we could see who was responsible for writing that, 422 00:19:37,568 --> 00:19:40,133 and that was a dead end. 423 00:19:40,168 --> 00:19:44,898 424 00:19:44,933 --> 00:19:46,873 but Michelle soon offers detectives 425 00:19:46,908 --> 00:19:49,527 a possible lead in her parents' murders. 426 00:19:49,533 --> 00:19:52,773 - She said, "there's a jeweler. - He goes by Nick the Greek." 427 00:19:52,808 --> 00:19:55,597 Nick the Greek was operating a jewelry business 428 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,430 at her father's old storefront, 429 00:19:57,433 --> 00:20:00,703 and he was moving to evict Nick the Greek. 430 00:20:00,738 --> 00:20:03,000 They had a few arguments over that, 431 00:20:03,035 --> 00:20:05,430 and they had a falling out. 432 00:20:05,433 --> 00:20:07,773 So then we have to talk to Nick the Greek. 433 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:15,074 434 00:20:19,300 --> 00:20:20,665 Philadelphia detectives 435 00:20:20,700 --> 00:20:23,500 searching for Richard and Patty Zimmerman's killer 436 00:20:23,535 --> 00:20:25,730 have a new suspect in their sights, 437 00:20:25,733 --> 00:20:28,065 a business associate named Nick the Greek 438 00:20:28,100 --> 00:20:31,770 who works out of a storefront the zimmermans had rented out. 439 00:20:31,805 --> 00:20:33,927 The zimmermans owned two jewelry stores. 440 00:20:33,933 --> 00:20:37,066 Now, the one where the murders occurred 441 00:20:37,101 --> 00:20:39,635 was an upscale residence and jewelry store. 442 00:20:39,670 --> 00:20:42,170 Now, the second jewelry store that they owned 443 00:20:42,205 --> 00:20:44,432 that they were actually leasing out 444 00:20:44,467 --> 00:20:48,197 was, you know, at front street, right off of allegheny ave, 445 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,985 in a very high crime, dark area. 446 00:20:51,020 --> 00:20:53,732 It's a pawn shop, basically. 447 00:20:53,767 --> 00:20:56,597 They're there to buy stolen jewelry. 448 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,630 449 00:21:00,667 --> 00:21:02,827 myself and detective Joe bamberski, 450 00:21:02,833 --> 00:21:05,733 we went to do a check into the jewelry store. 451 00:21:05,768 --> 00:21:08,032 So, you know the zimmermans? 452 00:21:08,067 --> 00:21:09,497 Know them? Of course, I know them. 453 00:21:09,500 --> 00:21:11,365 We did business together for years. 454 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,230 They had a falling out. The zimmermans were moving 455 00:21:14,233 --> 00:21:17,098 to evict Nick the Greek from the store. 456 00:21:17,133 --> 00:21:20,503 Would that lead him to want to commit a murder 457 00:21:20,538 --> 00:21:24,232 against Mr. and Mrs. Zimmerman? 458 00:21:24,267 --> 00:21:26,267 I heard you had a beef between you and the zimmermans. 459 00:21:26,302 --> 00:21:27,532 No beef. 460 00:21:27,567 --> 00:21:29,497 He wanted to raise the rent. I didn't want him to. 461 00:21:29,500 --> 00:21:30,985 That was it, just a business thing. 462 00:21:31,020 --> 00:21:32,470 Well, I heard things got heated. 463 00:21:32,505 --> 00:21:34,286 No, it didn't get heated. 464 00:21:34,321 --> 00:21:36,032 It was a negotiation. 465 00:21:36,067 --> 00:21:39,867 He admitted, yes, you know, it was a business disagreement 466 00:21:39,902 --> 00:21:43,667 but nothing to the point that he would want to kill them. 467 00:21:43,702 --> 00:21:45,532 Aw, come on. 468 00:21:45,567 --> 00:21:46,832 Well, look. You know the zimmermans. 469 00:21:46,867 --> 00:21:48,927 You're close to them. We got to clear you. 470 00:21:48,933 --> 00:21:52,073 And when I was talking to him, I look past him, 471 00:21:52,108 --> 00:21:54,432 and on this workbench, 472 00:21:54,467 --> 00:21:57,727 there's a.45 caliber pistol. 473 00:21:57,733 --> 00:21:59,373 Is that your.45, Nick? 474 00:21:59,408 --> 00:22:01,067 Yes, it is. 475 00:22:01,102 --> 00:22:04,332 476 00:22:04,367 --> 00:22:06,297 - may I see it? - And I saw the pistol, 477 00:22:06,300 --> 00:22:08,865 and I was like, "hold on." 478 00:22:08,900 --> 00:22:12,200 We know that the zimmermans were killed with a.45 auto. 479 00:22:12,235 --> 00:22:14,600 We're not sure if that's the murder weapon or not. 480 00:22:14,635 --> 00:22:16,617 Look, I deal with cash and jewelry. 481 00:22:16,652 --> 00:22:18,561 I can't be in here with nothing. 482 00:22:18,596 --> 00:22:20,432 So you got a permit on this? 483 00:22:20,467 --> 00:22:23,827 Yeah, I got a permit for it...Somewhere. 484 00:22:23,833 --> 00:22:26,498 485 00:22:26,533 --> 00:22:28,273 why don't you come down to my office with US, 486 00:22:28,308 --> 00:22:30,767 where we can speak more comfortably? 487 00:22:30,802 --> 00:22:32,527 It's your world. 488 00:22:32,533 --> 00:22:35,432 489 00:22:35,467 --> 00:22:39,197 if you can find the motive of a homicide, 490 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,230 then you're on the right track 491 00:22:41,233 --> 00:22:43,773 as finding who the person is that did that. 492 00:22:43,808 --> 00:22:46,032 He would be allowed in the house, 493 00:22:46,067 --> 00:22:49,467 and he has business relations with him, 494 00:22:49,502 --> 00:22:51,567 and we're not ruling anything out. 495 00:22:51,602 --> 00:22:54,232 Anything's possible here. 496 00:22:54,267 --> 00:22:57,497 We had ballistic testing done, and it turned out 497 00:22:57,500 --> 00:23:00,170 that it absolutely did not match. 498 00:23:00,205 --> 00:23:02,227 499 00:23:02,233 --> 00:23:05,803 Nick the Greek just slid way down on the suspects list, 500 00:23:05,838 --> 00:23:10,470 but there are dozens of other contacts to investigate. 501 00:23:10,505 --> 00:23:12,697 Mr. Zimmerman kept a logbook, 502 00:23:12,700 --> 00:23:17,430 and in that logbook contained his business transactions 503 00:23:17,433 --> 00:23:20,803 with his customers, their names and what was owed 504 00:23:20,838 --> 00:23:23,830 and what was purchased. 505 00:23:23,833 --> 00:23:25,398 You've reached pat and rich. 506 00:23:25,433 --> 00:23:28,401 We're not available to take your call. Leave a message... 507 00:23:28,436 --> 00:23:31,370 And there were, I would say, about 15 to 20 phone messages. 508 00:23:31,405 --> 00:23:34,736 We were able to pretty much backtrack 509 00:23:34,771 --> 00:23:38,032 and find his customers, his inner circle. 510 00:23:38,067 --> 00:23:40,797 You see the Zimmerman family, and you think, "my gosh. 511 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,670 You know, wealthy society hill people." 512 00:23:43,705 --> 00:23:45,697 So that made me wonder, 513 00:23:45,700 --> 00:23:47,930 who buys jewelry 514 00:23:47,933 --> 00:23:50,116 from some guy's dining room table? 515 00:23:50,151 --> 00:23:52,265 It looks like they have this life, 516 00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:54,070 but what kind of life did they really have, 517 00:23:54,105 --> 00:23:57,597 and who wanted them to be killed? 518 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,330 One of the Zimmerman's business associates, a man named John, 519 00:24:01,333 --> 00:24:03,581 tells them about a piece of jewelry 520 00:24:03,616 --> 00:24:05,830 that might be a motive for murder. 521 00:24:05,833 --> 00:24:08,280 I never saw it myself, but Richie told me all about it. 522 00:24:08,315 --> 00:24:10,727 He said he bought it from a guy who couldn't sell it, 523 00:24:10,733 --> 00:24:13,498 you know, the regular channels. 524 00:24:13,533 --> 00:24:17,803 One of the contacts said, "I know that rich Zimmerman 525 00:24:17,838 --> 00:24:20,065 had this enormous diamond ring 526 00:24:20,100 --> 00:24:24,200 that he said he had purchased from a burglar, 527 00:24:24,235 --> 00:24:27,032 and he said it was his rainy-day fund, 528 00:24:27,067 --> 00:24:29,667 and if he ever needed money, he could sell this." 529 00:24:29,702 --> 00:24:31,497 So you're saying it was hot? 530 00:24:31,500 --> 00:24:32,865 I didn't say that. 531 00:24:32,900 --> 00:24:35,932 So maybe he sold it then. 532 00:24:35,967 --> 00:24:39,347 Nah, that ring was the type of thing he would hang on to. 533 00:24:39,382 --> 00:24:42,727 It was for emergencies, worth a quarter million dollars. 534 00:24:42,733 --> 00:24:45,903 Look, we didn't find anything like that at his house. 535 00:24:45,938 --> 00:24:49,073 And that's the thing. Rich told people he had that ring. 536 00:24:49,108 --> 00:24:52,232 Even people you wouldn't want to know knew. 537 00:24:52,267 --> 00:24:55,097 So I was thinking maybe someone came back to the house 538 00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:58,665 for the ring and bumped off rich and Patty. 539 00:24:58,700 --> 00:25:01,330 All of a sudden, we're like, "well, wait a minute. 540 00:25:01,333 --> 00:25:04,032 Where's the diamond?" 541 00:25:04,067 --> 00:25:06,427 We didn't find that at the house. 542 00:25:06,433 --> 00:25:09,932 Is that the reason why they were murdered? 543 00:25:09,967 --> 00:25:13,227 Detective Walter dives deeper into the zimmermans' file 544 00:25:13,233 --> 00:25:15,573 for any sign of the missing ring, 545 00:25:15,608 --> 00:25:17,727 and he hits pay dirt. 546 00:25:17,733 --> 00:25:20,933 We found out that the zimmermans had safe deposit boxes 547 00:25:20,968 --> 00:25:22,332 spread over three banks, 548 00:25:22,367 --> 00:25:25,097 so we had to get search warrants for every bank 549 00:25:25,100 --> 00:25:28,600 to go through these safe deposit boxes. 550 00:25:28,635 --> 00:25:33,830 551 00:25:33,833 --> 00:25:37,453 okay. 552 00:25:37,488 --> 00:25:41,032 553 00:25:41,067 --> 00:25:43,032 - anything? - Nah. 554 00:25:43,067 --> 00:25:47,147 Old watches, a couple of silver dollars, 555 00:25:47,182 --> 00:25:51,227 nothing you need a security deposit box for. 556 00:25:51,233 --> 00:25:53,915 All right. Let's hit the last one. 557 00:25:53,950 --> 00:25:56,597 - What number was it? - It's, 107. 558 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:04,650 559 00:26:04,685 --> 00:26:12,665 560 00:26:12,700 --> 00:26:15,070 does that one feel lucky? 561 00:26:15,105 --> 00:26:22,216 562 00:26:22,251 --> 00:26:29,327 563 00:26:29,333 --> 00:26:32,233 Joe, look at this. 564 00:26:32,268 --> 00:26:41,803 565 00:26:48,867 --> 00:26:51,297 Roughly three weeks after Richard and Patty Zimmerman 566 00:26:51,300 --> 00:26:54,430 were gunned down in their home, 567 00:26:54,433 --> 00:26:56,333 detectives are attempting to locate 568 00:26:56,368 --> 00:26:58,532 a missing piece of jewelry 569 00:26:58,567 --> 00:27:02,332 that might've been the motive for murder. 570 00:27:02,367 --> 00:27:06,332 We found out that the zimmermans had this big ring. 571 00:27:06,367 --> 00:27:09,767 Myself and detective bamberski, we had to get search warrants 572 00:27:09,802 --> 00:27:12,627 and go to several banks 573 00:27:12,633 --> 00:27:15,373 to check safety deposit boxes 574 00:27:15,408 --> 00:27:17,127 looking for that ring. 575 00:27:17,133 --> 00:27:22,098 576 00:27:22,133 --> 00:27:24,903 all right. Does that one feel lucky? 577 00:27:24,938 --> 00:27:27,232 578 00:27:27,267 --> 00:27:29,397 Joe, look at this. 579 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:34,535 580 00:27:39,667 --> 00:27:41,732 And, finally, 581 00:27:41,767 --> 00:27:44,232 we find this big ring, 582 00:27:44,267 --> 00:27:46,497 and it was so big, it looked fake. 583 00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:48,830 It really -- it was enormous. 584 00:27:48,833 --> 00:27:50,265 Since it was never stolen, 585 00:27:50,300 --> 00:27:53,500 the lavish ring is of little value to the detectives. 586 00:27:53,535 --> 00:27:55,370 Well, so much for that. 587 00:27:55,405 --> 00:27:56,697 Mark it down? 588 00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:58,330 Mark it down. 589 00:27:58,333 --> 00:28:01,273 Once we found the ring, that trail was cold. 590 00:28:01,308 --> 00:28:03,327 591 00:28:03,333 --> 00:28:05,573 after working the Zimmerman case fruitlessly 592 00:28:05,608 --> 00:28:08,227 for almost a month without interruption, 593 00:28:08,233 --> 00:28:10,803 Philadelphia police detective Mike Walter 594 00:28:10,838 --> 00:28:12,900 is pulled onto other cases. 595 00:28:16,067 --> 00:28:18,297 - Detective Walter. - Mike, we got a triple 596 00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:20,470 on the 1700 block in north Howard. 597 00:28:20,505 --> 00:28:22,127 You're up on this one. 598 00:28:22,133 --> 00:28:24,098 You got it, sarge. 599 00:28:24,133 --> 00:28:26,533 You got a certain window to spend on a crime 600 00:28:26,568 --> 00:28:28,732 when stuff is really fresh. 601 00:28:28,767 --> 00:28:31,527 If it doesn't get solved, you're up again. 602 00:28:31,533 --> 00:28:33,973 While investigating other homicides, 603 00:28:34,008 --> 00:28:35,797 weeks turn into months, 604 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,200 and it seems like the zimmermans' killer 605 00:28:38,235 --> 00:28:40,530 will get away with their murders. 606 00:28:40,533 --> 00:28:43,898 607 00:28:43,933 --> 00:28:46,032 that's my girl. 608 00:28:46,067 --> 00:28:48,032 Mario, you spoil your women like this, 609 00:28:48,067 --> 00:28:49,932 you'll be in good shape. Don't worry about it. 610 00:28:49,967 --> 00:28:52,367 There was always this question in the back of our mind -- 611 00:28:52,402 --> 00:28:55,267 who did this? Who did this? Who did this, you know? 612 00:28:55,302 --> 00:28:56,697 And I would always reach out 613 00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:58,730 periodically to the detectives and say, 614 00:28:58,733 --> 00:29:01,973 "hey, what's going on? What did you find out? What do you know? 615 00:29:02,008 --> 00:29:04,587 This is my sister and her husband, 616 00:29:04,622 --> 00:29:07,167 and, you know, where's justice at?" 617 00:29:07,202 --> 00:29:08,832 That's enough. 618 00:29:08,867 --> 00:29:10,497 Come on. Let's go away. 619 00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:13,865 620 00:29:13,900 --> 00:29:18,470 the Zimmerman case lies virtually dormant for two years. 621 00:29:18,505 --> 00:29:22,167 Then, in 1999, the Philadelphia police department 622 00:29:22,202 --> 00:29:25,397 establishes its first cold case squad. 623 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,400 One of its first detectives is Mike Walter. 624 00:29:28,435 --> 00:29:30,365 It was explained to US by our captain 625 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,930 that we could go to any case that we wanted, 626 00:29:33,933 --> 00:29:37,073 and the one case that I wanted back 627 00:29:37,108 --> 00:29:38,827 was the Zimmerman case. 628 00:29:38,833 --> 00:29:40,698 It looks like they knew the killers. 629 00:29:40,733 --> 00:29:43,433 Well enough to get in the house and close enough not to miss. 630 00:29:43,468 --> 00:29:46,898 My partner was detective Patrick Mangold. 631 00:29:46,933 --> 00:29:49,503 We started a cold case, and we'd sit down, 632 00:29:49,538 --> 00:29:50,865 put our heads together and say, 633 00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:53,470 "okay, this is what I think. This is what you think," 634 00:29:53,505 --> 00:29:56,527 and Mike said, "this is what I think." 635 00:29:56,533 --> 00:29:58,333 We're going to need to talk to everyone again, 636 00:29:58,368 --> 00:29:59,832 get them on the record. 637 00:29:59,867 --> 00:30:01,467 When they reopen the case, 638 00:30:01,502 --> 00:30:03,097 the detectives take a new look 639 00:30:03,100 --> 00:30:06,132 at Patty and Richard Zimmerman's surviving family. 640 00:30:06,167 --> 00:30:09,197 They find not much has changed for their daughter, Michelle. 641 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,070 But they discover that their son, Matthew's, fortunes 642 00:30:12,105 --> 00:30:14,932 have improved dramatically. 643 00:30:14,967 --> 00:30:18,797 Bank records, major purchases, credit card records. 644 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,600 Looks like he was a busy boy the last two years. 645 00:30:21,635 --> 00:30:22,800 Look at this. 646 00:30:22,835 --> 00:30:25,965 647 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,230 where did all this come from? 648 00:30:27,233 --> 00:30:29,433 This kid win the lottery or what? 649 00:30:29,468 --> 00:30:31,898 650 00:30:31,933 --> 00:30:35,233 we're coming to find out that Matthew is out there 651 00:30:35,268 --> 00:30:37,332 with cash. 652 00:30:37,367 --> 00:30:39,532 He purchased a house, you know? 653 00:30:39,567 --> 00:30:43,327 He's up in the Kensington area, flashing jewelry 654 00:30:43,333 --> 00:30:45,865 and unexplained amounts of money. 655 00:30:45,900 --> 00:30:49,900 It became apparent that he benefited financially 656 00:30:49,935 --> 00:30:52,170 from his mom and dad's death. 657 00:30:52,205 --> 00:30:54,132 658 00:30:54,167 --> 00:30:56,127 again, we look for motive. 659 00:30:56,133 --> 00:30:58,930 The first motive one would think of, 660 00:30:58,965 --> 00:31:01,727 I think, naturally, would be robbery. 661 00:31:01,733 --> 00:31:06,873 98% of what they had around them 662 00:31:06,908 --> 00:31:08,527 was still there. 663 00:31:08,533 --> 00:31:12,198 Who does a robbery and leaves all that behind? 664 00:31:12,233 --> 00:31:15,333 Only one class of person, and that would be someone 665 00:31:15,368 --> 00:31:17,333 who's going to inherit it anyway. 666 00:31:17,368 --> 00:31:20,365 667 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,530 who else was with Matt 668 00:31:21,533 --> 00:31:23,432 the weekend of the murder at the house? 669 00:31:23,467 --> 00:31:26,927 His buddy who owned the place, his girlfriend, 670 00:31:26,933 --> 00:31:30,253 and the girl Matt was with at the time, Amy. 671 00:31:30,288 --> 00:31:33,557 Since they're no longer together, 672 00:31:33,592 --> 00:31:36,827 Amy might have more to share with detectives. 673 00:31:36,833 --> 00:31:38,398 So what I don't understand is, 674 00:31:38,433 --> 00:31:40,232 if Matt was estranged all those years, 675 00:31:40,267 --> 00:31:43,397 why'd they leave him the money and then put him on that policy? 676 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:44,932 They never gave up on him. 677 00:31:44,967 --> 00:31:48,627 He was their son no matter what. 678 00:31:48,633 --> 00:31:51,373 We come to find out that it wasn't 100% estranged, 679 00:31:51,408 --> 00:31:53,397 that he had spoken to his parents, 680 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,630 and, from time to time, his father would give him money. 681 00:31:57,633 --> 00:32:00,603 And something would happen. It would blow up. 682 00:32:00,638 --> 00:32:02,230 Was a cycle. 683 00:32:02,233 --> 00:32:03,803 Were you with him the weekend of the murder? 684 00:32:03,838 --> 00:32:05,830 Yes. 685 00:32:05,833 --> 00:32:08,503 Matt wanted me to know what to say 686 00:32:08,538 --> 00:32:11,032 when you people came after me. 687 00:32:11,067 --> 00:32:13,597 He told US all to say the same thing. 688 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,630 He was telling them, 689 00:32:15,633 --> 00:32:19,573 "hey, if the cops come and ask you, I was with you. 690 00:32:19,608 --> 00:32:22,227 I need you to alibi me and tell the cops 691 00:32:22,233 --> 00:32:23,932 when they come to talk to you 692 00:32:23,967 --> 00:32:26,567 that I was with you the entire time." 693 00:32:26,602 --> 00:32:30,497 It wasn't just that. He said... 694 00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:33,870 If his parents were dead, he wouldn't be worried, 695 00:32:33,905 --> 00:32:35,967 that he was coming into some money. 696 00:32:36,002 --> 00:32:38,832 Really? 697 00:32:38,867 --> 00:32:40,697 And so what we did is we figured 698 00:32:40,732 --> 00:32:42,527 it's a good opportunity to bring Matt in, 699 00:32:42,533 --> 00:32:44,265 get a chance to talk to him again, 700 00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:48,430 'cause we haven't talked to him in a couple years. 701 00:32:48,433 --> 00:32:50,673 Nonetheless, detectives have their doubts 702 00:32:50,708 --> 00:32:52,732 about getting Matthew to talk. 703 00:32:52,767 --> 00:32:55,097 It didn't work out so well the first time. 704 00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:57,070 You got any idea who'd want to do this? 705 00:32:57,105 --> 00:32:58,797 No idea, man. 706 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,532 Just kind of futile. If he lied before, 707 00:33:00,567 --> 00:33:02,927 he's going to lie again. When you have something solid, 708 00:33:02,933 --> 00:33:05,583 like a solid piece of evidence or a statement 709 00:33:05,618 --> 00:33:08,233 to go at a suspect and throw it at them and say, 710 00:33:08,268 --> 00:33:10,933 "hey, listen. This is what I have. 711 00:33:10,968 --> 00:33:12,365 Now what do you want to say?" 712 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,930 And that's called a hammer in police work. 713 00:33:16,933 --> 00:33:18,132 What about this? 714 00:33:18,167 --> 00:33:21,032 "I'm sorry. Please forgive me." 715 00:33:21,067 --> 00:33:22,917 It's the graffiti left in chalk 716 00:33:22,952 --> 00:33:24,767 in front of his sister, Michelle's, house 717 00:33:24,802 --> 00:33:26,332 right after the murder. 718 00:33:26,367 --> 00:33:28,197 We saw this piece of evidence. 719 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,730 We thought, "you know what? 720 00:33:29,733 --> 00:33:33,032 Let's take a crack at it." 721 00:33:33,067 --> 00:33:35,467 Initially, police couldn't find the individual 722 00:33:35,502 --> 00:33:37,332 who authored the graffiti. 723 00:33:37,367 --> 00:33:39,532 Could it have been Matthew after all? 724 00:33:39,567 --> 00:33:44,097 And now they may have just found a way to put him to the test. 725 00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:45,130 What about it? 726 00:33:45,133 --> 00:33:47,198 That could be our hammer. 727 00:33:47,233 --> 00:33:49,973 Why don't we bring Matthew in for a handwriting test? 728 00:33:50,008 --> 00:33:51,297 What do you mean? 729 00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:53,130 We get a warrant, bring him in, 730 00:33:53,133 --> 00:33:54,632 have him do a handwriting sample. 731 00:33:54,667 --> 00:33:58,167 We send those samples over to the FBI for comparison. 732 00:33:58,202 --> 00:34:00,067 If his writing's a match, 733 00:34:00,102 --> 00:34:02,434 we got our guy. 734 00:34:02,469 --> 00:34:04,732 Worth a shot. 735 00:34:04,767 --> 00:34:07,227 Look, I answered your questions two years ago. 736 00:34:07,233 --> 00:34:08,698 What y'all want? 737 00:34:08,733 --> 00:34:12,703 He was, you know, put out that we, you know, reached out to him 738 00:34:12,738 --> 00:34:14,670 and wanted to talk to him, like, you know, 739 00:34:14,705 --> 00:34:16,732 "why are you bothering me?" 740 00:34:16,767 --> 00:34:18,897 I got a little something I'd like you to write down 741 00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:21,213 on a piece of paper. 742 00:34:23,533 --> 00:34:26,203 I don't have to write a thing for you guys, man. 743 00:34:26,238 --> 00:34:28,873 Got a little piece of paper signed by a judge 744 00:34:28,908 --> 00:34:30,527 that says otherwise. 745 00:34:30,533 --> 00:34:32,465 Why don't you give it a read? 746 00:34:32,500 --> 00:34:34,032 And I said, "listen, Matthew. 747 00:34:34,067 --> 00:34:36,097 And I want you to write on these pieces of paper 20 times. 748 00:34:36,100 --> 00:34:38,900 I'm going to hand you a single piece of paper each time, 749 00:34:38,935 --> 00:34:40,630 and I want you to write this phrase." 750 00:34:40,633 --> 00:34:41,932 20 times? 751 00:34:41,967 --> 00:34:43,827 You want to see that court order again? 752 00:34:43,833 --> 00:34:46,433 20 times, or we book you in for contempt of court. 753 00:34:46,468 --> 00:34:47,632 Okay. 754 00:34:47,667 --> 00:34:49,767 What do you guys need me to write? 755 00:34:49,802 --> 00:34:51,867 "I'm sorry. Please forgive me." 756 00:34:51,902 --> 00:35:01,267 757 00:35:08,233 --> 00:35:11,533 With the Zimmerman homicide investigation heating up again, 758 00:35:11,568 --> 00:35:14,273 detectives revisit the jewelers' son, Matthew, 759 00:35:14,308 --> 00:35:16,897 who clearly profited from the tragedy. 760 00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:18,700 They hope to link him to the murders 761 00:35:18,735 --> 00:35:22,530 through handwriting analysis. 762 00:35:22,533 --> 00:35:25,765 1 down, 19 more to go. 763 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,900 Matthew would take his time. 764 00:35:27,935 --> 00:35:30,430 He wouldn't write it correctly. 765 00:35:30,433 --> 00:35:34,203 He wrote the first one. It took him about 3 minutes. 766 00:35:34,238 --> 00:35:36,432 - Number two. - He was playing with US. 767 00:35:36,467 --> 00:35:39,067 He wasn't writing it out in his own handwriting. 768 00:35:39,102 --> 00:35:41,532 "I'm sorry. Please forgive me." 769 00:35:41,567 --> 00:35:42,797 He, like, chuckled about it. 770 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,613 He was kind of laughing about it. 771 00:35:44,648 --> 00:35:46,427 And they had him do several samples, 772 00:35:46,433 --> 00:35:49,703 and every sample, he wrote differently. 773 00:35:49,738 --> 00:35:54,065 774 00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:57,365 anything else? 775 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,630 You can leave. 776 00:36:00,633 --> 00:36:03,903 Forensic examiner said they were ridiculous handwriting examples. 777 00:36:03,938 --> 00:36:07,170 It was inconclusive because he had written 20 different samples 778 00:36:07,205 --> 00:36:09,197 with 20 different handwritings. 779 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,930 It leaves detectives back where they started. 780 00:36:11,933 --> 00:36:14,618 They may suspect Matthew, 781 00:36:14,653 --> 00:36:17,265 yet they have nothing on him. 782 00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:20,930 But detectives will get another chance at their prime suspect. 783 00:36:20,933 --> 00:36:22,898 784 00:36:22,933 --> 00:36:24,932 and it's a total fluke. 785 00:36:24,967 --> 00:36:27,467 All cars. All cars, officer needs immediate assistance. 786 00:36:27,502 --> 00:36:30,164 White male suspect is 10-32, over. 787 00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:32,827 I'm driving one night, 788 00:36:32,833 --> 00:36:34,773 and we hear a general come over the police radio, 789 00:36:34,808 --> 00:36:37,067 and it says, "all cars, be on the lookout. 790 00:36:37,102 --> 00:36:39,532 Looking for a white male in his 20s. 791 00:36:39,567 --> 00:36:42,827 He just tried to run over a drug enforcement agent." 792 00:36:42,833 --> 00:36:46,103 Suspect is Matthew Zimmerman, over. 793 00:36:46,138 --> 00:36:49,332 Yo, Mike. 794 00:36:49,367 --> 00:36:51,297 Yo, what's up? 795 00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:53,970 Matthew just got in a dust-up with the d.E.A. 796 00:36:54,005 --> 00:36:55,927 - What? - Yeah. 797 00:36:55,933 --> 00:36:57,632 All right. 798 00:36:57,667 --> 00:37:00,732 Let's go see if we get him. 799 00:37:00,767 --> 00:37:03,567 While d.E.A. Agents fan out across the city 800 00:37:03,602 --> 00:37:06,067 searching for Matthew Zimmerman, 801 00:37:06,102 --> 00:37:07,632 Philly homicide detectives 802 00:37:07,667 --> 00:37:10,227 pressure the person closest to Matthew, 803 00:37:10,233 --> 00:37:13,733 his sister, Michelle, to tell them where he is. 804 00:37:13,768 --> 00:37:15,419 He tried to run over a cop, Michelle. 805 00:37:15,454 --> 00:37:17,032 He's going to get himself killed. 806 00:37:17,067 --> 00:37:19,727 You got to tell US where he is before someone puts him down. 807 00:37:19,733 --> 00:37:21,781 You want to help him now? Is that it? 808 00:37:21,816 --> 00:37:23,830 She was complete in denial. 809 00:37:23,833 --> 00:37:25,732 "He has nothing to do with this." 810 00:37:25,767 --> 00:37:28,397 He's made some mistakes, but he's not a killer. 811 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,530 He would never hurt our parents. 812 00:37:30,533 --> 00:37:32,953 And she give a statement saying 813 00:37:32,988 --> 00:37:35,332 that she would do everything in her power 814 00:37:35,367 --> 00:37:39,167 to derail our investigation if it centered on her brother, 815 00:37:39,202 --> 00:37:41,297 to the point that she would go to court and lie. 816 00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:42,830 You've got the wrong guy. 817 00:37:42,833 --> 00:37:44,873 I'm not helping you find him. 818 00:37:44,908 --> 00:37:47,297 He's innocent. 819 00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:49,830 Michelle refuses to help police. 820 00:37:49,833 --> 00:37:51,732 821 00:37:51,767 --> 00:37:54,427 the next day, Matt Zimmerman surrenders to the feds 822 00:37:54,433 --> 00:37:57,032 in the drug case, 823 00:37:57,067 --> 00:38:00,197 but that doesn't help the homicide detectives. 824 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,330 He won't talk about the murders. 825 00:38:02,333 --> 00:38:04,698 826 00:38:04,733 --> 00:38:07,400 it takes three long and frustrating years 827 00:38:07,435 --> 00:38:10,067 for detectives to catch another break. 828 00:38:10,102 --> 00:38:13,532 But when they do, it's a big one. 829 00:38:13,567 --> 00:38:16,767 An informant came to police with information. 830 00:38:16,802 --> 00:38:19,967 Carmen Monica is an incarcerated killer 831 00:38:20,002 --> 00:38:21,727 with information to share. 832 00:38:21,733 --> 00:38:23,598 So Matt Zimmerman asked you 833 00:38:23,633 --> 00:38:25,916 to kill his parents, just like that? 834 00:38:25,951 --> 00:38:28,200 Said his parents had this life insurance 835 00:38:28,235 --> 00:38:30,567 and a lot of money and all that. 836 00:38:30,602 --> 00:38:32,865 He goes on to say that, you know, 837 00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:36,100 he lays out the whole security of mom and dad. 838 00:38:36,135 --> 00:38:37,330 He said he could get me in the house, 839 00:38:37,333 --> 00:38:39,032 acting like I was his friend. 840 00:38:39,067 --> 00:38:40,932 "You'll be with me. They'll buzz me in, 841 00:38:40,967 --> 00:38:43,227 and then, you know, I just need you to kill them. 842 00:38:43,233 --> 00:38:45,568 And I'm going to come into a lot of money. 843 00:38:45,603 --> 00:38:47,865 And I'll pay you, and I'll give you this. 844 00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:50,300 And then, when I get cash, I'll pay you additional money." 845 00:38:50,335 --> 00:38:52,332 He told me six times to do it. 846 00:38:52,367 --> 00:38:54,330 I said no every single time. 847 00:38:54,333 --> 00:38:56,773 According to Carmen that, you know, he's a trigger man, 848 00:38:56,808 --> 00:38:58,497 and Carmen's like, 849 00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:01,232 "no, I'm not. I'm not going to do that. They're your parents." 850 00:39:01,267 --> 00:39:04,327 The lies about where he was when his parents were killed, 851 00:39:04,333 --> 00:39:08,073 the insurance money, and now Carmen Monica's story -- 852 00:39:08,108 --> 00:39:12,227 all paths finally lead to Matthew Zimmerman, 853 00:39:12,233 --> 00:39:14,453 and now the detectives can prove it. 854 00:39:14,488 --> 00:39:17,277 The way we think it played out 855 00:39:17,312 --> 00:39:20,067 was that the zimmermans had a routine 856 00:39:20,102 --> 00:39:21,727 on Saturday night. 857 00:39:24,867 --> 00:39:26,527 Hello? Around 8:00, 858 00:39:26,533 --> 00:39:30,603 they had a before-bedtime dinner, snack. 859 00:39:30,638 --> 00:39:31,730 Hey, pat? 860 00:39:31,733 --> 00:39:34,751 And Matt came to the house. 861 00:39:34,786 --> 00:39:37,732 It's Matthew. He's downstairs. 862 00:39:37,767 --> 00:39:40,527 She opened the door. She went upstairs 863 00:39:40,533 --> 00:39:43,173 and was walking toward where the father was seated. 864 00:39:43,208 --> 00:39:46,727 And so, the way it would lay out, 865 00:39:46,733 --> 00:39:51,603 because her back was to Matt, she probably was shot first. 866 00:39:51,638 --> 00:39:57,765 867 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,385 and then, as soon as she dropped, they turned around, 868 00:40:01,420 --> 00:40:04,970 and before Mr. Zimmerman could react, he was shot. 869 00:40:05,005 --> 00:40:13,797 870 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,600 they were so afraid of being attacked from outside. 871 00:40:17,635 --> 00:40:19,370 And here, they're buzzing in their killer, 872 00:40:19,405 --> 00:40:20,497 and it's their own son. 873 00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:23,600 I mean, that's pretty ironic. 874 00:40:23,635 --> 00:40:26,465 Sad. 875 00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:29,130 He wanted their money, and he didn't care 876 00:40:29,133 --> 00:40:30,865 what happened or how it happened. 877 00:40:30,900 --> 00:40:33,530 They needed to be dead so he would get their money. 878 00:40:33,533 --> 00:40:35,532 879 00:40:35,567 --> 00:40:37,227 and we all agreed that we thought 880 00:40:37,233 --> 00:40:38,798 there was enough to arrest him now. 881 00:40:38,833 --> 00:40:42,033 The honor of issuing Matthew Zimmerman's arrest warrant 882 00:40:42,068 --> 00:40:43,398 goes to a colleague, 883 00:40:43,433 --> 00:40:48,033 Philly homicide detective Steven Buckley. 884 00:40:48,068 --> 00:40:49,965 We talked with Carmen Monica. 885 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,930 Your pal, Carmen, says you asked him 886 00:40:51,933 --> 00:40:54,433 to kill your mom and dad for you 887 00:40:54,468 --> 00:40:55,949 six times. 888 00:40:55,984 --> 00:40:57,430 Go ahead. 889 00:40:57,433 --> 00:41:00,632 That's his statement right there. 890 00:41:00,667 --> 00:41:04,267 That's the missing piece, Matt -- Carmen Monica. 891 00:41:04,302 --> 00:41:06,032 Carmen? 892 00:41:06,067 --> 00:41:07,567 That's your missing piece? 893 00:41:07,602 --> 00:41:08,897 That dude is a snake. 894 00:41:08,900 --> 00:41:10,900 Let me guess. You offer him a reduced sentence, 895 00:41:10,935 --> 00:41:12,830 and he gives you this bogus statement. 896 00:41:12,833 --> 00:41:15,398 This is your last chance, Matt, to come clean. 897 00:41:15,433 --> 00:41:18,316 All right? What do you think a jury is going to think 898 00:41:18,351 --> 00:41:21,200 about a son who killed his mom and dad for some money? 899 00:41:21,235 --> 00:41:24,532 This is it. 900 00:41:24,567 --> 00:41:26,597 You're right! I did kill them! 901 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,170 And I don't want to talk about it anymore, 902 00:41:28,205 --> 00:41:30,627 so take me down and charge me. 903 00:41:30,633 --> 00:41:32,665 904 00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:34,900 that was it. Matthew shut down. 905 00:41:34,935 --> 00:41:36,232 He wouldn't say anything else 906 00:41:36,267 --> 00:41:39,167 after he made that, you know, "I did it." 907 00:41:39,202 --> 00:41:42,032 And he was charged with the homicide. 908 00:41:42,067 --> 00:41:46,597 Matthew Zimmerman's sentence was life imprisonment 909 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,865 for the murder of his mother 910 00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:52,400 and life imprisonment for the murder of his father. 911 00:41:52,435 --> 00:41:56,065 912 00:41:56,100 --> 00:41:57,532 Matthew's sister, Michelle, 913 00:41:57,567 --> 00:42:00,397 continued to defend her brother throughout his trial. 914 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:01,632 Her brother never admits 915 00:42:01,667 --> 00:42:03,267 to having written the chalk graffiti 916 00:42:03,302 --> 00:42:05,397 found in front of her building. 917 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,365 She now lives in her parents' apartment 918 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,430 and no longer works for the Philadelphia police department. 919 00:42:10,433 --> 00:42:12,703 You know, my own nephew, his life's shattered. 920 00:42:12,738 --> 00:42:15,930 My niece, she misses her parents, and over what? 921 00:42:15,933 --> 00:42:18,032 Money? You know, it's tragic. 922 00:42:18,067 --> 00:42:20,527 Patty had a lot of life left in her, you know? 923 00:42:20,533 --> 00:42:24,603 To be snuffed out like that was totally uncalled for and unfair. 924 00:42:24,638 --> 00:42:26,970 I mean, she was a very beautiful woman, 925 00:42:27,005 --> 00:42:31,167 and I miss her terribly, you know? 926 00:42:32,305 --> 00:43:32,613 68547

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