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>>DAVID WILCOCK: I'myour host, David Wilcock,

and I'm here with Corey Goode.

This is a very interesting conversation

that we're having regardingthe secret space program.

I want to emphasize once againthat this material is highly

controversial and that you probably have not

heard anything like this beforeunless you've been following

what we've been talking about.

I do want to make it clear one more

time that I haveinvestigated this subject

for many, many years.

I've been in contact withinsiders for over 20 years

and I've spoken to dozens of people

with different types of classified clearance.

And my conclusion hasbeen that there very much

has been an industrializationof our solar system and beyond

by what you could call thegovernment or the military,

depending on how you want to word this.

So, Corey, it's good to have you back again.

And it seems like from what you're saying,

the LOC or Lunar Operations Command

is like the focal point for howEarth is then connecting out

to the greater space programand the cosmos in general.

So tell us a little bit more about the LOC.

I guess first of all, what does it look

like as you're flying into it?

>>COREY GOODE: Well, you can tell

it's been built and added ontoquite a bit since the '50s.

It's built into the cratersand into the rocky area

to where it blends in somewhat.

Some part of it is built into the rock.

Very little of it is above ground.

>>DAVID: Oh, OK.

>>GOODE: Most of it I have not had access to.

I have seen a diagram to where it is somewhat

of goes into a bell shapefurther and further down

you go and I've only hadaccess to the upper levels.

>>DAVID: So even though it's a bell shape,

you don't actually see thebell on the surface of moon.

>>GOODE: No.

It's like looking down at the top of the bell

or the tip of the pyramid.

You just see the smaller topor the tip of the iceberg,

I guess you would say.

The rest is below andspreads out as it goes down.

>>DAVID: If there are this manycraft going to and from the LOC

and you say it's on the dark side of the moon,

how could it possibly havebeen kept secret from us?

Couldn't people with their telescopes

see all these ships comingand going from the moon?

>>GOODE: People do see that.

There's actually another base onthe back side of the moon that

belongs to human beings.

It belongs to one of the Secret Space

programs called DarkFleet that a lot of people

see craft coming from.

I can give more of a location of that one.

If you're looking at the moon, it's

at about the 10:00 position.

People have filmed and seen flurries and swarms

of craft leaving and coming from that area

quite a bit-- amateur astronomers

with video cameras hookedup to their telescopes.

This is something that has been seen.

>>DAVID: Is there anythingon the side of the moon

facing us of interest, or isit all being kept on the back

so that it's less apt to beseen in the moon's surface?

>>GOODE: Most of it is on the back.

There are areas on the frontside where craft come out

and there are entrances.

There are also areas thatare by ET groups that

are covered by a sort of like hologram

shielding that prevents usfrom being able to see it.

Most of it is on the back side of the moon,

for obvious reasons, forthose on the planet's surface

that are not meant to see the stuff won't see it.

>>DAVID: When was the LOC actually built?

>>GOODE: The LOC was built ontoan existing Nazi facility that

had been built in the latterparts of the '30s and '40s.

>>DAVID: So it goes that far back.

>>GOODE: That far back.

Once the industrial might of theUnited States became involved,

they really started putting a lot into it

and built it out like crazy.

They started really building inearnest in the late '50s on it.

>>DAVID: Yeah, and I want to get a lot more

into the history of the spaceprogram in some later episodes.

For right now, let meask you another question.

If we had this all the way back in the '50s,

they why did we do the Apollo missions?

Why did we land on the moon?

What was the point?

>>GOODE: There are variouslevels of programs.

There are some in NASA and there's

NASA equivalent military programs

that are what they thinkare the most cutting edge.

And they think they're atthe top of the totem pole

as far as security clearances and need

to know of what's going on in the solar system.

And these people would literallyget into a fist fight with you

if you were to challenge themand tell them they weren't.

So they're-- I guess the liehas many levels and the people

at each level are told they're at the top.

And it's not the case, but they believe it,

just as everything iscompletely compartmentalized.

In each compartment, everyone thinks

they're doing the mostimportant cutting edge work

and have the broadest knowledgeand all the other compartments

and groups are below them.

>>DAVID: I guess if you canmake someone feel special,

then they're going to workharder because they think

they're the cream of the crop.

>>GOODE: Right, hubris.

>>DAVID: Yeah.

Do you think that the Apollomission was a money laundering

operation?

>>GOODE: Very well could have been part of it,

to channel a lot of that moneyinto the Secret Space Program.

The people that were runningthose programs on the lower

level really believed in what they were doing

and really thought it wascutting edge and the highest

technology we had.

>>DAVID: Do you think those employees could

have had informationwithheld from them about how

expensive what they were working on actually was?

>>GOODE: Oh, yeah.

They were deceived onintelligence and every-- they

were deceived on all levels.

>>DAVID: So do you think itcould be maybe even only 10%

as expensive as what they told us it was?

>>GOODE: That would be speculation.

I would have no way to know, but--

>>DAVID: But it definitely could have

provided black cash to develop out

the space program even more.

>>GOODE: Yeah.

Through all different ways--that, drugs, all kinds of ways

they have of coming up with cash to build out

that infrastructure in the beginning.

>>DAVID: Do you think thatNASA knew anything interesting

at all that we didn't know inthe mainstream about the moon?

>>GOODE: There was a lot thatdiscovered during the Apollo

missions.

In the beginning, they discovered

that it was not a real good ideato slam one of their landing

modules into the moon to testthe instruments they placed

on the moon to check for moon quakes.

The moon is a very strict zone that

is like a giant Switzerland.

It's a very neutral zone andhitting it with that projectile

was a very bad idea.

And from what I read, theywere warned not to come back.

>>DAVID: It's strange that you would

say that the moon is this neutral Switzerland

type of area because it'sright next to the Earth.

If it's our moon, shouldn'tit be our property and we get

to have control over the moon?

>>GOODE: No.

>>DAVID: It doesn't work that way?

>>GOODE: No.

If you've seen sort of the maps of Antarctica,

how it's sliced up amongst all the nations.

The back of the moon is that way, too.

And all these differentregions are pretty much owned

and inhabited by different ET groups.

>>DAVID: Really?

>>GOODE: And there are somegroups that have bad blood

or have warred with each other going back

many, many, many thousands of years

but they have installations thatare just a couple kilometers

away from each other.

And they have been there for many thousands

of years in peace.

>>DAVID: There's a lot ofmoons in our solar system,

so why is the moon right next to Earth

so important to these folks?

>>GOODE: It's a perfect observation and area

to leave to come to the Earth and back

for doing their experiments.

>>DAVID: So a lot of what wewould call extraterrestrials

are really not very far away and they're

coming and going from a placethat's actually right nearby.

>>GOODE: Exactly.

>>DAVID: Does this get back into what

you were talking about in our previous episode,

about the delegation with thisso-called experiment where

they're running these 22 different programs?

>>GOODE: Right.

And all of the different ETs-- this

includes human type ETs and the non-human types,

types that do not particularlylike each other very much.

There is some sort of diplomaticagreement about the moon.

There's something very special about the moon

being a very diplomatic neutral zone.

None of them will violate that.

>>DAVID: So you're sayingin this Super Federation

Conference, where you said there's

at least 40 different groups,they're not all in agreement

on what they're doing.

They all have their own programs or their--

>>GOODE: Own agendas.

>>DAVID: So these delegationswere like a way of them

kind of working out their arguments

and finding common ground somehow?

>>GOODE: Right, not steppingon each other's toes

all the time with their different agendas.

>>DAVID: How could these groups that

have warred with eachother in the past possibly

be able to tolerate eachother's presence on such a

small-- the moon is only 2,160 miles wide

so how should they tolerate that?

>>GOODE: It's something that has been going

on for thousands of years.

They've set up this diplomatic neutral zone

that not even the worst of them will violate.

None of them will violate it.

It just is not-- it's somethingthat I've heard it say,

it is not done.

>>DAVID: Is there aresome sort of enforcement,

some sort of military that polices it or--

>>GOODE: It doesn't have to be.

It just-- no one has to enforce it.

It just isn't done.

>>DAVID: Well, that wouldimply that in the past,

something happened that wasso horrible that they learned

from their mistakes, I would think.

>>GOODE: Right.

There's areas of the moon where there's

a lot of debris from other battles

and things from ancient times.

>>DAVID: They didn't clean it up?

>>GOODE: No.

They left it there as kind of a memorial

or a testament of what happened in the past.

And the stuff is still thereand it's usually off limits.

>>DAVID: So it might be like the idea

of how silly the nucleararms race is, where you've

got two countries fightingover who's got more nukes

when even a smallpercentage of that arsenal

would wipe out the whole planet.

>>GOODE: Yeah.

>>DAVID: So these folkswould all wipe each other out

if they want to war becausethey probably have weapons that

are much greater than nukes.

>>GOODE: Right.

They can destroy entire planets.

>>DAVID: Wow.

So the LOC, is that just one small part

of all the habitation that's on the moon?

>>GOODE: Right.

>>DAVID: It's not really afocal point, except maybe for us

from Earth?

>>GOODE: Right.

It's a focal point for human activity.

>>DAVID: So other ET groups would

have their own versions ofthe LOC for them, which would

be like their focal point.

>>GOODE: Exactly.

>>DAVID: They're not usingour LOC as their focal point?

>>GOODE: No.

No, no, no.

>>DAVID: OK.

>>GOODE: No.

I have not seen ETs at the LOC, other than when

members of the Sphere Alliance have appeared.

>>DAVID: So real quickly, what is it

like when you are in the LOC?

Do they have, like apartments that you

can go to once you get inside?

Is it just wide open conferencerooms and little chairs?

What happens when you go inside?

>>GOODE: Well, until recently Ihad never been to the VIP area.

I had always been to just the area

to where they have small kindof not really apartments,

but small little dwellings towhere it has two to four bunks.

The halls are real narrow.

You move over to the VIP area, the halls

are wider, there's wood paneling on the walls,

like cherry wood nice walls-- very upscale.

It's a dramatic changewhen you go from one area

to the VIP area.

>>DAVID: Could you wander around and try

to find a restricted area or doyou have military escorts that

lead you around?

How does that work?

>>GOODE: Well, you're allowed certain areas.

There are marks, paint lines, on the floor

that are a different colorthat lead to different areas.

>>DAVID: So if you're red, then you just walk,

follow the red line--

>>GOODE: Right.

>>DAVID: --to where it leads to?

>>GOODE: Right.

And like I said, I've only been--

the top floor is where mostof everything takes place.

The next two floors were the medical

and some other more advancedmedical stuff take place.

I've never been further down than those.

There are some people recently that

have been taken on a tour that have gotten

to see a lot more than I have.

>>DAVID: One of the things that obviously

is the most interesting to folksis this idea of an alliance.

So we covered that briefly, but I'd

like you to sort of sketchout for us in more detail what

is the alliance?

Was it there at the beginningof the space program

or did it form later onand what are their goals,

that kind of stuff.

>>GOODE: The alliance, it kindof formed slowly over time.

The Solar Warden was more of a group

that was dated back to the SDIera and a little bit earlier.

>>DAVID: Strategic Defense Initiative.

>>GOODE: Right.

>>DAVID: Star Wars.

>>GOODE: Back in the late '70s, '80s,

and they were getting upgradesup into the early '90s.

But they were pretty muchmore of the aging fleet.

>>DAVID: And what was Solar Warden's

original responsibility?

>>GOODE: They policed the solarsystem from intruders and--

>>DAVID: That would be groupsthat are not part of these 40

that are the Super Federation?

>>GOODE: Right.

And also somewhat of a spacetraffic control, air traffic

control, they took care of that.

>>DAVID: Couldn't some ETgroup just interfere and invade

with vastly superior weapons and technology?

I mean how could a group from the '80s

be able to police our solar system

against potentially anybodythat could try to invade here?

>>GOODE: Well, they wouldn't have

been able to hold their ownwith a large invasive force,

but most of the groups that passed through

were only in maybe one to a handful of vessels.

There's so many different groupsthat pass through our area.

>>DAVID: And I would guessit's sort of like gang warfare,

where the 40 some odd ET groupsthat have sort of claimed this

as their turf, with whateverlevel of technology they have,

they're also going to defend their home

turf from an invasion.

>>GOODE: Right.

>>DAVID: So Solar Warden is not necessarily

meeting a tactical force.

They're not having aweapons up fighting stance

when you say they're policingthe solar system-- or are they?

>>GOODE: They would engagesmall numbers when they had to,

but they were not ever a hugeforce to be reckoned with.

>>DAVID: So most of these unwanted entrances

into our solar system wouldbe more small groups of ETs

or single craft that are trying to be sneaky?

>>GOODE: Right.

Little--

>>DAVID: Trying to slip in?

>>GOODE: --marauder groupsthat would come in and do hit

and runs to come in and take things and leave.

>>DAVID: OK.

So where does the alliance come into play

now that we're talking about Solar Warden?

You said Solar Warden gotstarted in the late '70s

and they got a lot ofthe Star Wars technology.

How does this relate to the alliance exactly?

>>GOODE: OK.

Well, they were kind of the rootgroup that formed the alliance.

Now they're made up of breakaway or defectors

from the other space fleetgroups and some of them

are from various Black Opsmilitary space programs.

You have the ICC, the Interplanetary Corporate

Conglomerate, which is pretty much the largest.

They own pretty much all the infrastructure out

in the solar system.

You have--

>>DAVID: And what corporations?

>>GOODE: Just about every aerospace.

And other than aerospace,it's a huge amount of--

>>DAVID: Lockheed,Boeing, McDonnell Douglas,

Hughes Aircraft?

>>GOODE: Yes.

Just all of the above.

And not just American corporations.

And then you have the Dark Fleet.

They are a very secretive fleet that

has very advanced technology and they

are predominantly outside ofthe solar system all the time.

Then there was this UNtype fleet from just about

any country you could think of, and they--

>>DAVID: Countries on Earth, you're saying.

>>GOODE: Earth countries.

And they seem to be a lot more of a laid back,

not really a huge militaristic group.

As Solar Warden has startedpretty much a Cold War,

they started to like fly infront of the International

Space Station to accidentally show

their vessels, little thingslike that in the beginning.

>>DAVID: If Solar Warden is going

to try to create disclosure,where obviously the other parts

of the space program don't want it,

couldn't that lead to a shootingwar between these factions?

>>GOODE: Yes.

It was on the brink of that whenthe Sphere Alliance, the Sphere

Being Alliance, went into an active mode

and made contact with the SecretSpace Program Alliance, which

had just started accepting defectors

from some of these othergroups to where it wasn't just

the Solar Warden group anymore.

The alliance was made up of defectors

from the other programs, as well.

So it's a hodgepodge ofdefectors from all the space

programs that have a common goalof ending the tyranny on Earth

of basically the secret Earth government that controls

the Babylonian money magic slavesystem and to bring to Earth

the technologies that we have developed

that has free energy, allkinds of medical technologies

that will heal just aboutanything you can think of,

clean up the environment.

Overnight, these technologies would

collapse the financialsystem and there would be

no need for a financial system.

And they want to bring this to Earth

and to also do a full disclosure of all

of the crimes against humanitythat all of these elites

have been doing over many, many years.

That's their goal.

>>DAVID: So when did theSecret Space Program Alliance

start to have these goals in mind

and begin to take actionon them, to your knowledge?

>>GOODE: To my knowledge, they started

forming these ideas in probably the late '90s

and were really starting to acton it in the early 2000s, where

they were really trying tocause accidental disclosures

by flying in front of live feeds,

trying to get the people to ask questions.

>>DAVID: How much contactdoes the space program

have with what's here on Earth?

Could they tune in like cable television

and watch TV and see what'sgoing on with our shows?

>>GOODE: Up until a certaintime period, there was zero.

All communications to Earth were blocked.

>>DAVID: Really?

>>GOODE: Yeah.

There was no-- after the internet,

internet access was blocked.

There is internet broadcastthroughout the solar system.

>>DAVID: Internet from Earth,or they have their own internet

in the space program?

>>GOODE: They have their own internet and access

to the internet.

>>DAVID: Oh, they do?

>>GOODE: Mm-hm.

A lot of times it's read-only.

>>DAVID: Read only?

>>GOODE: Yeah.

>>DAVID: I would imagine thatonly the most trusted people

would be able to actually uploadsomething to the internet,

that they could be trustednot to leak the truth.

>>GOODE: Right.

Back when I was assigned to the research vessel,

we had any radio or televisionbroadcasts were blocked.

We were not allowed any real time or close

to real time news.

>>DAVID: So the Alliance is aware of what's

happening on Earth.

Some people, at least, in the Alliance,

know what's going on here.

>>GOODE: Right.

After they finally got to apoint to where they broke away,

they opened up information to where

those that were in the Alliancenow had access to information.

And seeing what was going ongave them even more incentive

to want to bring thisinformation, this technology,

to humanity.

>>DAVID: What would the average person's life

be like if theAlliance's goals are met?

On Earth, what would that life be like?

>>GOODE: It would be nodifferent than the "Star Trek"

era, what you've seen in "Star Trek."

>>DAVID: So could people have aportal station that they could

go to, where instead of flyinglike through the airplane

that you'd be able to take somekind of "Stargate" type system

to wherever you wanted to travel?

>>GOODE: Sure.

Yeah.

There's replicators.

There would be no starvation.

Literally, the deserts could be turned green

with desalination of water.

>>DAVID: What about all the plastic

floating in the ocean, these biggiant gyres of waste material?

>>GOODE: Matter is easilychanged into something else.

It's just a matter of knowinghow, the technology to do so.

And we have that technology,it's just not being shared.

>>DAVID: Some people might be really freaked

out by the idea of not having money anymore.

They're going to say, that'ssocialism, that's communism.

That's going to get us under even more control

because nobody will have any money

to resist this new thingthat they're trying to do.

>>GOODE: That's the way we're programmed.

>>DAVID: How would you thinkthat that's not the case?

>>GOODE: I mean if youwant money that badly, you

can use a replicator andreplicate some silver or gold

or replicate yourself a $100 bill, if it

makes you feel comfortable,and put in your pocket.

There will be absolutely noneed for any type of financial

give or take.

>>DAVID: I would think that thetypical old school politician

mentality would be that ifyou gave everybody on Earth

this kind of stuff, that they would all just

want to drink beer and nobodywould want to do anything

and they'd just be hangingaround and it would kill them.

It would ruin their lives.

>>GOODE: Well, there's going tobe a transitional period where

people are going to go probablya little bit nuts for a while

with the technology.

>>DAVID: I mean when peoplewin the lottery right?

It's not good for them.

>>GOODE: Right.

Well, if everybody wins the lottery at once,

everybody has a replicator.

Everybody's going to bepushing the button every day

and trying all these different meals.

Everybody is going to wantto go all over the world,

and once it's cleared allover the solar system,

and see all these differentruins that are everywhere.

I mean there's going to be a lotthat's going to be opened up.

But first, we're going to have to go

through the process of dealing with our past

and getting over our past.

>>DAVID: Couldn'tsomebody have a replicator

and build a very effective weapon with it

and then kill a whole bunch of people?

>>GOODE: That's whatbuffer technology is for.

>>DAVID: What's buffer technology?

>>GOODE: They've got someof that on temporal drives

to keep people from traveling back

in time on certain craft that have

temporal drives for engines,I guess you would say.

>>DAVID: So you can't just 3Dprint a nuke with a replicator

or something like that?

>>GOODE: Right.

>>DAVID: OK.

So there are restrictions.

It's not like you can make anything.

>>GOODE: Right.

>>DAVID: What does the Alliance want

to do as far as all thissecrecy and all this occultism

that we see in the worldtoday, the weird stuff that

is so upsetting and depressing?

How do they want to handle that?

>>GOODE: They want to shine a light on it.

They want to bring the truth, the information,

to every human being at once on the planet.

Not give certain people the truth,

give everybody the truth.

Give everybody access to thistechnology and information.

>>DAVID: So no more cover-ups at all?

>>GOODE: No more cover-ups,no more partial disclosures.

Just bring it all, bring it all to humanity.

>>DAVID: Yeah, that's really incredible.

So that's all time we have for this episode.

We're going to have a lot more to talk about.

Obviously, we're just getting started.

But again, Corey, thank you for being here.

This is really incredible information.

>>GOODE: Thank you.

>>DAVID: Bye.