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We were very open as well. 7 00:01:19,245 --> 00:01:21,789 I think because we still had a common goal, 8 00:01:22,123 --> 00:01:26,627 which was to become rich and famous. 9 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,142 The ideas that Roger was exploring 10 00:01:41,267 --> 00:01:45,021 apply to every new generation. 11 00:01:45,062 --> 00:01:50,443 They still have very much the same relevance as they had. 12 00:02:03,789 --> 00:02:06,918 I think one of the successes of Dark Side is the fact 14 00:02:07,043 --> 00:02:10,755 that actually it's very rich. There's a... there are a lot of songs, 15 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,300 a lot of ideas all compressed onto the one record. 16 00:02:14,509 --> 00:02:18,262 I can clearly remember that moment 17 00:02:18,304 --> 00:02:21,724 of sitting and listening to the whole mix all the way through 18 00:02:21,849 --> 00:02:27,813 and thinking, "My God, we've really... done something fantastic here. 19 00:02:46,582 --> 00:02:48,626 I think it has the all-time record, 20 00:02:48,751 --> 00:02:54,423 constantly on the charts for nearly 750 weeks, about 14 years. 21 00:02:54,590 --> 00:02:56,592 It was a huge album, 22 00:02:56,676 --> 00:03:00,471 and huge not just in terms of its sales, but in terms of its influence. 23 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,724 This was where underground music, 24 00:03:03,808 --> 00:03:07,687 progressive rock, whatever, really went mainstream. 25 00:03:07,770 --> 00:03:10,439 It was a record that had lots of traditional pop values, 26 00:03:10,523 --> 00:03:12,233 you could sing along to these songs, but 27 00:03:12,316 --> 00:03:14,777 it also was a kind of thing that took you places 28 00:03:14,861 --> 00:03:17,029 if you wanted to listen to it in a darkened room. 29 00:03:17,113 --> 00:03:19,031 It may very will be the ultimate concept record, 30 00:03:19,115 --> 00:03:22,201 because the concept is there, the songs are there, 31 00:03:22,285 --> 00:03:24,287 the spaces and the music are there, 32 00:03:24,370 --> 00:03:27,790 but it doesn't take away any of the imagination. 33 00:03:33,713 --> 00:03:38,426 After Syd went crazy in '68 and Dave joined 34 00:03:38,718 --> 00:03:42,930 we were, all of us, searching, fumbling around, 35 00:03:43,055 --> 00:03:44,807 looking for, "What are we gonna do now?" 36 00:03:44,932 --> 00:03:50,521 Because here was the guy who starts producing all these songs, 37 00:03:50,646 --> 00:03:54,400 and was the sort of heartbeat of the band. 38 00:03:54,692 --> 00:03:56,903 Syd casts a long and large shadow of events. 39 00:03:57,028 --> 00:03:59,100 I think that the band was very impressive to keep going, 40 00:03:59,150 --> 00:04:02,100 actually, after loss of their main creative drive, 41 00:04:02,110 --> 00:04:05,229 I mean it was the first time you choose, isn't it, 42 00:04:05,244 --> 00:04:08,080 I mean you wouldn't sit around say, "Okay, let's get rid of our song writer." 43 00:04:08,497 --> 00:04:14,045 After Syd had gone the music became more kind of soundscapes than songs. 44 00:04:14,378 --> 00:04:16,422 You have to watch your strengths, 45 00:04:16,547 --> 00:04:20,718 and, um, it was a very good thing that we could not write singles. 46 00:04:20,927 --> 00:04:23,846 We might not have done some of the very interesting work that we did. 47 00:04:24,096 --> 00:04:29,769 Once Syd was out of the picture, the Floyd just went glacial. 48 00:04:29,936 --> 00:04:33,648 They just let it all spread out. 49 00:04:43,282 --> 00:04:46,285 When I saw the Floyd for the first time, it was the summer of '68, 50 00:04:46,410 --> 00:04:49,413 it was actually their first American tour with David Gilmour, 51 00:04:49,664 --> 00:04:54,001 and they were just extraordinary, you know, it was 52 00:04:54,168 --> 00:04:57,129 "Let There Be More Light", "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun", 53 00:04:57,255 --> 00:05:01,008 it was total space rock. 54 00:05:07,974 --> 00:05:11,978 I started fully out of love with 55 00:05:12,061 --> 00:05:16,607 that, um, some of that... psychedelic noodling stuff. 56 00:05:16,732 --> 00:05:21,362 We were still then playing a lot of instrumental work, if you like, 57 00:05:21,529 --> 00:05:23,364 and that would be half the album. 58 00:05:23,489 --> 00:05:25,616 But we were always searching for a direction. 59 00:05:25,783 --> 00:05:27,410 A fighting a little bit between 60 00:05:27,618 --> 00:05:32,623 wanting to push boundaries back a little bit 61 00:05:32,832 --> 00:05:36,711 and move forward in an experimental way, 62 00:05:36,836 --> 00:05:39,630 but also to retain melody. 63 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:45,761 When you get to "Meddle", quite clearly, and "Echoes" 64 00:05:45,887 --> 00:05:50,808 shows the direction that we were moving in. 65 00:05:50,975 --> 00:05:53,978 The rest of "Meddle" as I recall was songs, 66 00:05:54,812 --> 00:05:59,066 and so in the flip side was a 20-minute piece 67 00:05:59,192 --> 00:06:04,864 A) and so was a construct, and 68 00:06:05,156 --> 00:06:12,330 B) it was the beginning of all the writing about other people. 69 00:06:12,747 --> 00:06:16,292 ♪ Strangers passing in the street ♪ 70 00:06:16,542 --> 00:06:20,046 ♪ by chance two separate glances meet ♪ 71 00:06:20,379 --> 00:06:26,761 ♪ and I am you and what I see is me ♪ 72 00:06:26,886 --> 00:06:30,973 It was the beginning of empathy, if you like, you know, 73 00:06:31,182 --> 00:06:34,393 "two strangers passing in the street, by chance two passing glances meet, 74 00:06:34,477 --> 00:06:36,646 and I am you and what I see is me" 75 00:06:36,771 --> 00:06:40,233 is a sort of thread that has gone through everything for me ever since then... 76 00:06:40,733 --> 00:06:48,074 and had a big, um, eruption in Dark Side. 77 00:06:48,241 --> 00:06:51,244 You have to remember that the context of the time. 78 00:06:51,369 --> 00:06:55,540 This was the height of glam rock. There was, 79 00:06:55,706 --> 00:06:58,543 you know, Marc Bolan, and T. Rex and David Bowie with 80 00:06:58,709 --> 00:07:02,588 Ziggy Stardust peddling there, sort of pop fantasies, 81 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:06,342 and the Floyd came along with an album that was about these weighty themes. 82 00:07:06,634 --> 00:07:10,763 He created a story, he created a... basically a theater piece 83 00:07:10,930 --> 00:07:13,516 about what it was like to live in the modern world. 84 00:07:13,850 --> 00:07:16,978 All four of us were there, and there was a discussion about 85 00:07:17,144 --> 00:07:21,732 putting the album together and making it into this "themed", 86 00:07:21,899 --> 00:07:24,610 this... I mean what is now called a "concept album". 87 00:07:24,944 --> 00:07:28,447 There are a number of things that impinge upon an individual to... 88 00:07:28,614 --> 00:07:32,410 that color his view of existence. 89 00:07:32,618 --> 00:07:37,707 There are pressures that are capable of pushing you one direction or another, 90 00:07:38,082 --> 00:07:43,004 and, uh, these are some of them, and, whether they push you towards 91 00:07:43,421 --> 00:07:48,467 insanity, death, empathy, greed, um, whatever. 92 00:07:50,928 --> 00:07:57,685 Uh, there's something about the Newtonian view of that physics 93 00:07:58,144 --> 00:08:01,063 that might be interesting and may be there could be... 94 00:08:01,606 --> 00:08:04,942 this is what this record is about. 95 00:08:05,526 --> 00:08:08,029 There was one of those really good moments 96 00:08:08,112 --> 00:08:09,947 that most bands do experience where everyone is on sight, 97 00:08:10,239 --> 00:08:13,284 and everyone likes the idea, and there's some sort of agreement as to, 98 00:08:13,659 --> 00:08:15,494 more or less, who's going to do what. 99 00:08:15,828 --> 00:08:18,956 Dark Side of the Moon started in a rehearsal room in Bermondsey 100 00:08:19,081 --> 00:08:22,126 I think, that belongs... a warehouse that belongs to The Rolling Stones 101 00:08:22,335 --> 00:08:28,341 where we did some... sort of jamming, writing, whatever you want to call it. 102 00:08:29,008 --> 00:08:31,761 Not sure how much writing happened there. 103 00:08:32,428 --> 00:08:35,681 You know, let's play in E minor or in A for an hour or two, 104 00:08:36,015 --> 00:08:39,727 oh that sounds all right, that will take up 5 minutes. 105 00:08:58,913 --> 00:09:01,624 A lot of the musical ideas just came up 106 00:09:01,874 --> 00:09:05,127 just to the jamming away in these rehearsal rooms... 107 00:09:05,294 --> 00:09:07,505 obviously the lyrics Roger brought in. 108 00:09:07,713 --> 00:09:09,382 Because he had things to say. 109 00:09:09,549 --> 00:09:12,385 And it was the first time he wrote all the lyrics. 110 00:09:12,552 --> 00:09:15,513 Roger was all sorts of a pushing, driving force. 111 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:18,349 The way Dark Side of the Moon articulates some sense of 112 00:09:18,641 --> 00:09:22,687 early adult's disenchantment is absolutely timeless. 113 00:09:23,104 --> 00:09:26,983 I've listened to it again recently, and, uh, it always amazes me 114 00:09:27,942 --> 00:09:32,029 that I c-- that I got away with it really, 'cause it was so 115 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:38,077 lower sixth, and, you know, um... 116 00:09:38,369 --> 00:09:40,414 "Breathe, breathe in the air, don't be afraid to care." 117 00:09:40,449 --> 00:09:42,375 In fact, I think, within the context of the music 118 00:09:42,500 --> 00:09:45,526 and within the context of the pieces at whole. 119 00:09:45,585 --> 00:09:50,673 People are prepared to accept that simple exultation 120 00:09:50,965 --> 00:09:53,509 to be prepared to stand your ground and 121 00:09:53,801 --> 00:09:58,014 attempt to live your life in an authentic way. 122 00:10:20,328 --> 00:10:25,750 I came from jazz basically... I love it... 123 00:10:25,875 --> 00:10:28,503 That's my favorite... that's my inspiration. 124 00:10:28,878 --> 00:10:32,381 And the interesting thing about this song is, we're talking about the jazz, 125 00:10:32,632 --> 00:10:36,969 is this certain chord... which is... 126 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:43,809 That is totally down to a chord I had heard on, actually 127 00:10:44,185 --> 00:10:47,063 Miles Davis album Kind of Blue, 128 00:10:47,396 --> 00:10:52,610 which is a... That chord! That chord! I just loved! 129 00:10:53,319 --> 00:10:55,655 And when we're doing "Breathe", 130 00:10:55,863 --> 00:10:59,992 we got to G, I got to G, and how'd you get to E again? 131 00:11:00,910 --> 00:11:05,957 Well, again, normally you go... 132 00:11:06,916 --> 00:11:10,711 but, um, I remember this chord and I remember 133 00:11:11,045 --> 00:11:14,048 working it out at home listening to the record, and I just thought... 134 00:11:30,898 --> 00:11:33,818 Dave was brilliant at double tracking vocals. 135 00:11:34,235 --> 00:11:38,531 And we could do machines, but there's a difference. 136 00:11:46,664 --> 00:11:49,458 There's also a harmony part. 137 00:11:51,252 --> 00:11:53,421 And that's it how it's sung. 138 00:12:02,263 --> 00:12:03,890 Back to the band. 139 00:12:04,724 --> 00:12:08,227 There's two organ parts which come in now. 140 00:12:15,276 --> 00:12:18,279 They had been performing this work known as "Eclipse" 141 00:12:18,696 --> 00:12:24,202 um, for a few months I think, before actually even coming in to Abbey Road 142 00:12:24,368 --> 00:12:25,995 to start the first recordings. 143 00:12:26,370 --> 00:12:32,460 Which meant that the performances were pretty tight and not so hard to get. 144 00:12:32,752 --> 00:12:35,213 When you're working in a band and you're performing something, it 145 00:12:35,379 --> 00:12:40,009 willy-nilly, it develops and changes. 146 00:13:03,824 --> 00:13:05,952 In pre-bootlegging days this of course was 147 00:13:06,118 --> 00:13:08,579 a far more effective and better way of doing things, 148 00:13:08,788 --> 00:13:11,624 because you went in the studio and rehearsed up. 149 00:13:23,469 --> 00:13:25,930 We'd been playing it live that way for quite some time 150 00:13:26,180 --> 00:13:28,641 as a sort of guitar jam, that sort of a piece. 151 00:13:28,933 --> 00:13:31,853 I think we were none of us that happy with it as a piece, 152 00:13:32,019 --> 00:13:35,690 and when we also had this synthesizer. 153 00:13:35,898 --> 00:13:38,526 This Synth EA which had a little built-in keyboard 154 00:13:38,693 --> 00:13:41,487 and had a sequencer, it was the first sequencer I think. 155 00:13:41,988 --> 00:13:45,283 I just plugged this up and started playing one sequence on it, 156 00:13:45,449 --> 00:13:48,828 and Roger immediately pricked up his ears and said, "That sounded good." 157 00:13:49,370 --> 00:13:52,790 And came up, and we started mucking with it together 158 00:13:52,957 --> 00:13:59,005 and he put in a new sequence of notes, and all developed out of that. 159 00:13:59,172 --> 00:14:03,342 A series of notes played in slowly. 160 00:14:03,926 --> 00:14:07,221 triggering a noise generator and oscillators, 161 00:14:07,471 --> 00:14:11,642 and then just speed it up, you know. 162 00:14:16,147 --> 00:14:18,399 You've got it basically... 163 00:14:23,154 --> 00:14:24,989 And that, of course, immediately sounded 164 00:14:25,156 --> 00:14:28,492 much more exciting than what we were currently doing. 165 00:14:28,910 --> 00:14:31,329 They were the first band to really go out 166 00:14:31,579 --> 00:14:33,998 and try to sort of make music of the future. 167 00:14:34,248 --> 00:14:35,875 We were doing a lot of things with tape loops 168 00:14:36,167 --> 00:14:37,835 and curious sounds and sound effects... 169 00:14:38,085 --> 00:14:40,755 There wasn't something in 1972 when they put that album together. 170 00:14:41,005 --> 00:14:42,757 But that's basically what they were doing. 171 00:14:42,924 --> 00:14:45,092 They were, in a sense, they were giving you a preview 172 00:14:45,343 --> 00:14:47,720 of the sound pictures of the future. 173 00:14:47,887 --> 00:14:50,059 There's some very, very clever 174 00:14:50,109 --> 00:14:55,937 and highly listenable pieces of sonic experimentation. 175 00:14:56,604 --> 00:15:00,483 So this is the main synthesizer, it has the high-hat element built in. 176 00:15:00,650 --> 00:15:03,069 Then we treat it with filters and with 177 00:15:03,152 --> 00:15:06,239 other oscillators to get this sort of vibrato noise. 178 00:15:06,364 --> 00:15:10,284 And we bring in this guitar, which is a backwards guitar with echo stuff on it, 179 00:15:10,409 --> 00:15:13,871 it's been played with a mike stand leg, just sliding up. 180 00:15:14,914 --> 00:15:21,462 That was left-to-right across the stereo. And there's these synthesizers. 181 00:15:21,587 --> 00:15:26,259 Morph synth's, which are creating sort of futuristic vehicle noises, 182 00:15:26,342 --> 00:15:30,555 which you take the pitch down a little bit, and pan it at the same time 183 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,890 that creates an artificial Doppler sound. 184 00:15:33,099 --> 00:15:35,768 What looks like ambulance is whizzing past you, 185 00:15:35,935 --> 00:15:41,858 bringing some footsteps... and some heartbeats for extra tension... 186 00:15:42,108 --> 00:15:45,778 As you see there's an awful lot going on this track. 187 00:15:57,373 --> 00:15:58,833 This section in particular, 188 00:15:59,041 --> 00:16:01,294 "The Travel" section or "On the Run" section, 189 00:16:01,460 --> 00:16:04,505 um, I think was pretty complicated. 190 00:16:04,672 --> 00:16:07,341 A lot of hands on deck. 191 00:16:07,633 --> 00:16:10,428 You do always want to put more things on than you had tracks for, 192 00:16:11,137 --> 00:16:14,765 so tracks would very suddenly change from one thing to a different thing. 193 00:16:15,016 --> 00:16:16,851 All of us were on the desk, 194 00:16:17,018 --> 00:16:18,769 with our fingers on the faders. 195 00:16:18,936 --> 00:16:20,271 But that's the way it was, because, uh, 196 00:16:20,396 --> 00:16:22,148 we didn't have automation in those days... 197 00:16:22,273 --> 00:16:24,859 A mix in those days was a performance, 198 00:16:25,026 --> 00:16:27,278 every bit as much as doing a gig. 199 00:16:27,445 --> 00:16:28,821 It's one thing actually that 200 00:16:28,905 --> 00:16:31,824 we've kind of lost in the modern age. 201 00:16:46,506 --> 00:16:48,424 Very, very well engineered, 202 00:16:48,674 --> 00:16:51,427 it was also very, very carefully constructed. 203 00:16:51,636 --> 00:16:55,181 So there was no, sort of-- everything was well recorded. 204 00:16:55,598 --> 00:16:57,308 Dark Side was really the first 205 00:16:57,475 --> 00:17:00,603 proper engineering job I'd been given with the Floyd. 206 00:17:01,020 --> 00:17:03,523 So there was pretty much putting on the deep end. 207 00:17:03,648 --> 00:17:05,066 It was very great musically as well. 208 00:17:05,316 --> 00:17:08,778 He also came up with a couple of good ideas. 209 00:17:09,153 --> 00:17:13,282 I was commissioned to, um, record some, um, clocks for sound effects, 210 00:17:13,574 --> 00:17:17,203 record for, um, the very early days of quadrophony. 211 00:17:17,537 --> 00:17:20,498 And when we were doing "Time" 212 00:17:20,790 --> 00:17:23,376 he suggested we might like to have these clocks. 213 00:17:23,626 --> 00:17:27,463 My memory of it is just this room full of tapes rolling around 214 00:17:27,630 --> 00:17:32,760 because it was without any sort of computer help, 215 00:17:32,969 --> 00:17:35,137 everything had to be done manually. 216 00:17:35,513 --> 00:17:39,892 Getting all the clocks to chime at the right time, that was a process 217 00:17:40,059 --> 00:17:44,814 of just finding a particular moment on the multi-track tape 218 00:17:45,022 --> 00:17:47,108 where all the chiming would happen, and then 219 00:17:47,233 --> 00:17:49,944 back-timing the quarter-inch originals 220 00:17:50,111 --> 00:17:52,321 which contained each of the clocks. 221 00:17:52,446 --> 00:17:56,242 And then the very critical thing of tapes starting at specific moments, 222 00:17:56,367 --> 00:18:00,913 which was all done with hand signs and stopwatches. 223 00:18:30,318 --> 00:18:34,864 We got the girls making their first appearance here... 224 00:18:37,283 --> 00:18:41,704 That's un-processed... 225 00:18:45,082 --> 00:18:49,587 And we actually put this effect called a "frequency translation" on, 226 00:18:49,795 --> 00:18:53,216 which made them sound like this... 227 00:18:59,388 --> 00:19:02,975 Here is the solo... 228 00:19:30,378 --> 00:19:32,964 This one was probably taking some shape live 229 00:19:33,130 --> 00:19:34,882 before we ever got to do it, 230 00:19:35,049 --> 00:19:37,343 but, usually, in the studio on this sort of thing, 231 00:19:39,011 --> 00:19:42,306 you just go out have a player over it and see what comes, 232 00:19:42,473 --> 00:19:45,726 and it's usually, and mostly, the first take that's the best one, 233 00:19:45,852 --> 00:19:48,813 and you find yourself repeating yourself thereafter. 234 00:20:03,953 --> 00:20:07,373 The 1970's was the era of the guitar. 235 00:20:07,623 --> 00:20:12,837 And, um, he had that sort of very "bluesy" sound 236 00:20:13,045 --> 00:20:15,256 but then also he had that other sound, 237 00:20:15,506 --> 00:20:21,095 that sort of spacey, very crystalline, almost ethereal quality. 238 00:20:54,170 --> 00:20:59,467 I suddenly realized then, that year, that life was already happening. 239 00:20:59,926 --> 00:21:03,638 I think it's because my mother was so obsessed with education 240 00:21:03,804 --> 00:21:07,058 and the idea that childhood and adolescence and, 241 00:21:07,433 --> 00:21:12,688 well, everything, was about preparing for a life that was going to start later. 242 00:21:13,523 --> 00:21:18,402 And I suddenly realized that life wasn't going to start later, 243 00:21:18,569 --> 00:21:23,366 that it is, you know, it starts at "dot" and it happens all the time, and then, 244 00:21:24,033 --> 00:21:30,540 at any point you can grasp the reins and start guiding your own destiny. 245 00:21:30,706 --> 00:21:34,669 And that was a big revelation to me, I mean, it came as quite a shock. 246 00:21:57,191 --> 00:21:59,694 One of the greatest lines I think on Dark Side of the Moon 247 00:21:59,902 --> 00:22:04,156 is Roger's line about "Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way", 248 00:22:04,365 --> 00:22:07,535 which is a sort of line you could imagine, I don't know, 249 00:22:07,660 --> 00:22:10,454 Evelyn Waugh or Somerset Maugham or someone writing 250 00:22:10,621 --> 00:22:13,332 as an observation on the English character. 251 00:22:13,499 --> 00:22:17,461 And I think that character does permiate the whole record, 252 00:22:17,670 --> 00:22:21,257 and indeed the whole of Pink Floyd's career. 253 00:23:15,728 --> 00:23:20,066 It expresses my feelings about things very simply. 254 00:23:20,233 --> 00:23:25,112 And I think that, um, musically, 255 00:23:25,947 --> 00:23:30,243 I think that the music is to some extent 256 00:23:30,451 --> 00:23:35,373 driven... by that emotional commitment. 257 00:23:35,540 --> 00:23:40,336 The band basically wanted another 4 or 5 minutes of music, 258 00:23:40,545 --> 00:23:43,422 and we thought it could be an instrumental. 259 00:23:43,589 --> 00:23:46,843 I think I just, as I always have done it, is I sat at the piano 260 00:23:46,968 --> 00:23:50,429 and I, and those first two chords came. 261 00:23:50,596 --> 00:23:52,890 "Us And Them" and "The Great Gig In The Sky", 262 00:23:53,099 --> 00:23:54,934 you know, are fabulous chord sequences, 263 00:23:55,142 --> 00:23:58,688 are really truly wonderful pieces of music. 264 00:25:45,545 --> 00:25:49,090 I've no idea whose idea it was to get somebody as a female singer in 265 00:25:49,257 --> 00:25:53,302 but Alan Parsons knew Clare Torry and had been working with her, 266 00:25:53,553 --> 00:25:54,679 and said, "Why don't you try her?" 267 00:25:54,846 --> 00:25:56,889 She's just went in there and improvised over. 268 00:25:57,014 --> 00:25:58,891 And, yeah, that was amazing, that was fantastic. 269 00:25:59,058 --> 00:26:00,518 That was done while we mixing. 270 00:26:00,810 --> 00:26:03,646 We knew what we wanted, not exactly musically, 271 00:26:03,771 --> 00:26:05,815 but we knew that we wanted someone to just... 272 00:26:06,023 --> 00:26:10,570 improvise over this piece. So we directed her 273 00:26:10,736 --> 00:26:13,114 "Well, think about death, think about horror, 274 00:26:13,239 --> 00:26:15,783 think whatever, and just go and sing". 275 00:26:16,159 --> 00:26:19,912 And, my memory is, that she went out in the studio 276 00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:24,208 and did it very very quickly, and then came back in and said, 277 00:26:24,375 --> 00:26:27,712 "I'm really sorry about this," very embarrassed. 278 00:26:27,837 --> 00:26:31,299 And we, in fact, were sitting in the studio saying, "This is wonderful." 279 00:26:31,549 --> 00:26:34,218 And of course, it's absolutely brilliant, 280 00:26:34,385 --> 00:26:37,638 both Rick's piano and organ work, 281 00:26:37,763 --> 00:26:43,895 and Clare's singing is just incredibly moving. 282 00:26:54,989 --> 00:26:57,617 In the very end of this, I remember, 283 00:26:57,825 --> 00:27:01,037 we increased the echo slowly. 284 00:27:38,157 --> 00:27:40,493 We always wanted to kind of... 285 00:27:40,701 --> 00:27:44,080 not be on our covers ourselves, not have pictures. 286 00:27:44,247 --> 00:27:47,583 It is probably the most recognizable album cover of all time. 287 00:27:47,708 --> 00:27:49,669 It's something that you can sit and look at 288 00:27:49,752 --> 00:27:51,671 for a long time without getting fed up with it. 289 00:27:51,796 --> 00:27:55,967 The prism, is, is the logo that absolutely defines the record. 290 00:27:56,092 --> 00:28:00,388 Dark Side of the Moon prism design comes from three basic ingredients, 291 00:28:00,513 --> 00:28:02,473 one of which is the light show 292 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,852 that the band put on tour and trying to represent that and also 293 00:28:06,060 --> 00:28:09,355 one of the themes were lyrics which was, I think, 294 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,275 about ambition and greed. And thirdly, 295 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,110 it was an answer to Rick Wright 296 00:28:14,318 --> 00:28:15,736 who said that he wanted something... 297 00:28:15,862 --> 00:28:18,531 Simple and bold, and dramatic. 298 00:28:18,656 --> 00:28:20,408 The presentation, as we call it, 299 00:28:20,616 --> 00:28:25,204 of the design to the band was a very brief affair. 300 00:28:25,580 --> 00:28:28,332 He just brought in 3 or 4 ideas... 301 00:28:28,541 --> 00:28:31,377 I do remember instantly seeing the pyramid. 302 00:28:31,502 --> 00:28:33,254 They came in and they looked around, 303 00:28:33,421 --> 00:28:35,506 and they went, "Mmm, that one!" 304 00:28:35,673 --> 00:28:37,175 Everyone immediately went, 305 00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:40,136 "Terrific! Great! Let's do that." 306 00:28:40,511 --> 00:28:43,764 As epitomized by there but it did choose it so quickly and so easily is, 307 00:28:43,890 --> 00:28:45,600 I just think it is somehow very fitting, 308 00:28:45,850 --> 00:28:47,977 I mean, it's hard to imagine it without it, isn't it really? 309 00:28:58,867 --> 00:29:02,408 The story in America, being sort of disaster that 310 00:29:02,485 --> 00:29:06,621 really we hadn't sold records. And like all good artists 311 00:29:06,871 --> 00:29:09,207 the first thing you do is blame the record company. 312 00:29:09,957 --> 00:29:13,669 But in this particular case, I think we might get a few more people to agree 313 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,339 that they hadn't performed properly. 314 00:29:16,797 --> 00:29:19,759 And so they brought in a man called Bhaskar Menon, 315 00:29:20,051 --> 00:29:21,427 who was absolutely terrific. 316 00:29:21,552 --> 00:29:23,429 And he decided he was going to make this work 317 00:29:23,596 --> 00:29:26,057 and he was going to make the American company, um, 318 00:29:26,390 --> 00:29:29,727 sell this record. And he did! 319 00:29:30,186 --> 00:29:33,648 We devised a marketing campaign for this, which was 320 00:29:34,023 --> 00:29:38,110 far more extensive than anything that the company had ever done. 321 00:29:38,277 --> 00:29:42,657 It was an album that came after virtually a year of touring. 322 00:29:42,990 --> 00:29:47,328 There was a tremendous amount of credible press. 323 00:29:47,537 --> 00:29:52,375 We got by this time without a single got this album tremendous sales, 324 00:29:52,583 --> 00:29:54,961 close to about a million albums by that stage, 325 00:29:55,086 --> 00:29:56,712 which was quite remarkable. 326 00:29:57,046 --> 00:29:58,965 And I knew that the time would come when 327 00:29:59,298 --> 00:30:02,593 we would have to get on to the next stage, 328 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,805 to get to the next category or level of audience. 329 00:30:06,180 --> 00:30:09,892 We really would need some single-like material. 330 00:30:10,059 --> 00:30:14,146 They always say, you know, you need a hit single 331 00:30:14,272 --> 00:30:16,649 and we had a sort of hit single with "Money". 332 00:30:37,211 --> 00:30:39,755 You know, I would have remembered 333 00:30:40,089 --> 00:30:44,760 writing "Money" as a sort of very bluesy thing. 334 00:30:45,011 --> 00:30:48,055 I can't sing that up in that register of that... 335 00:31:20,796 --> 00:31:23,382 And there's a very kind of transatlantic, 336 00:31:23,508 --> 00:31:27,136 bluesy sort of twang to it all. Listen to the original demo, 337 00:31:27,303 --> 00:31:31,933 it's not like that at all, it's all very kind of prissy and... very English. 338 00:31:32,016 --> 00:31:33,559 The one thing about "Money" that 339 00:31:33,684 --> 00:31:37,313 I think people forget is that it's got the weirdest, 340 00:31:37,396 --> 00:31:40,233 it's one of the biggest hits with the weirdest time signature. 341 00:31:40,525 --> 00:31:45,947 Very unusual 7/8 time. Um, good riff. 342 00:32:42,128 --> 00:32:44,672 I'd played in a band with Dick when we were 343 00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:47,550 sort of teenagers in Cambridge. 344 00:32:47,675 --> 00:32:48,676 Dick was... 345 00:32:48,759 --> 00:32:50,469 was sort of a part of the Cambridge Mafia. 346 00:32:54,390 --> 00:32:57,268 I didn't know any other sax players 347 00:32:57,476 --> 00:33:00,188 and probably too nervous to ask anyone that we'd heard of. 348 00:33:00,438 --> 00:33:02,231 He was terrific. 349 00:33:02,356 --> 00:33:05,568 Well, Dick did his sax solo in the seven-time. 350 00:33:05,818 --> 00:33:08,112 And then we sort of sat and worked out, 351 00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:11,115 um, a different sequence for the guitar solo, 352 00:33:11,324 --> 00:33:13,409 um, probably to make my life easier 353 00:33:13,576 --> 00:33:15,244 so I didn't have to think about the timing. 354 00:33:15,453 --> 00:33:17,955 I love the fact that it does change. 355 00:33:18,164 --> 00:33:19,339 Let me say that lots of things happened 356 00:33:19,340 --> 00:33:22,210 on Dark Side that are kind of magical 357 00:33:22,376 --> 00:33:25,129 without us intentionally making them happen. 358 00:33:25,505 --> 00:33:28,674 It just happened. And I think that's one of the great things 359 00:33:28,758 --> 00:33:31,469 about "Money" is that it does change time signatures. 360 00:33:31,677 --> 00:33:33,971 And that's the thing, he goes back into the 4/4 361 00:33:34,096 --> 00:33:36,641 and all of a sudden, man, it's rock city! 362 00:34:19,684 --> 00:34:22,019 "Money" is an amazing single because it's about 363 00:34:22,144 --> 00:34:25,565 the very thing that it became, it's about success. 364 00:34:25,690 --> 00:34:27,650 Something certainly did the trick and it 365 00:34:27,775 --> 00:34:32,113 moved us up into a super league, I suppose you might say, 366 00:34:32,321 --> 00:34:42,707 which brought with it some great joy, some pride and some... problems. 367 00:34:42,874 --> 00:34:46,002 Of course it changed our life and we were now 368 00:34:46,169 --> 00:34:49,130 a big rock-n-roll band playing at stadiums. 369 00:34:49,255 --> 00:34:51,591 You don't know what you're in it for anymore. 370 00:34:51,757 --> 00:34:54,760 You know, you're in it to achieve massive success and 371 00:34:54,969 --> 00:34:59,223 get rich and famous and all these other things that go along with it. 372 00:34:59,307 --> 00:35:02,518 And, uh, and when they're all suddenly done 373 00:35:02,685 --> 00:35:06,439 you're going, "Hmm, huh? Well, why? What next?" 374 00:35:06,564 --> 00:35:08,608 It's not to say we didn't do some good work, 375 00:35:08,733 --> 00:35:11,694 but the good work we did was actually all about 376 00:35:11,819 --> 00:35:15,948 a lot of the negative aspects of what went on after we'd achieved, 377 00:35:16,574 --> 00:35:19,744 um, the goal. 378 00:35:20,244 --> 00:35:21,996 I mean that obviously informed what 379 00:35:22,121 --> 00:35:25,333 turned out to be the next album quiet deeply 380 00:35:26,125 --> 00:35:28,711 Wish You Were Here. Because we weren't, 381 00:35:28,794 --> 00:35:30,463 most of us most of the time. 382 00:35:30,838 --> 00:35:32,298 They were a platinum monster 383 00:35:32,465 --> 00:35:35,968 and... it's not a lot of fun. 384 00:35:45,561 --> 00:35:49,524 Sort of amazing to me now that we had that piece of music 385 00:35:49,732 --> 00:35:54,612 in 1969 when we recorded the music for Zabriskie Point. 386 00:35:54,779 --> 00:35:57,824 And throughout, I guess, Atom Heart Mother, 387 00:35:58,074 --> 00:36:01,327 the Obscured By Clouds album, the Meddle album 388 00:36:01,494 --> 00:36:05,248 we didn't dig it out and use it, such a lovely piece of music. 389 00:36:16,092 --> 00:36:18,928 Antonioni didn't really know what he wanted. 390 00:36:19,136 --> 00:36:21,222 He needed desperately to have control. 391 00:36:21,389 --> 00:36:24,517 So even if you did the right thing and it was perfect, 392 00:36:24,684 --> 00:36:27,854 he couldn't bear to accept it because there wasn't a choice. 393 00:36:28,145 --> 00:36:29,730 All he really wanted was 394 00:36:29,856 --> 00:36:31,315 "Careful With That Axe, Eugene." 395 00:36:31,482 --> 00:36:34,485 I think we were all getting a bit frustrated of, "What does he want?" 396 00:36:34,569 --> 00:36:37,321 I think I was just sitting in the studio and 397 00:36:37,405 --> 00:36:39,157 I was seeing the piano and they happened 398 00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:41,784 to have this violent sequence up 399 00:36:41,951 --> 00:36:46,164 and I was watching it and, probably I felt a bit tired, or whatever, 400 00:36:46,372 --> 00:36:49,292 I just started this, the chord sequence. 401 00:36:49,375 --> 00:36:53,129 At the time I think everyone thought, 'This is really good.' 402 00:36:53,421 --> 00:36:58,384 When we thought we'd really got something brilliant for his movie, 403 00:36:59,510 --> 00:37:03,055 and Antonioni, he would say... 404 00:37:03,222 --> 00:37:06,976 "It's beautiful, but is too sad," you know, 405 00:37:07,143 --> 00:37:09,061 "It makes me think of church". 406 00:37:09,228 --> 00:37:14,150 It was obviously waiting to be reborn in this album. 407 00:37:21,032 --> 00:37:23,868 The lyrics are so direct and linear. 408 00:37:24,035 --> 00:37:27,622 Those fundamental issues of whether or not 409 00:37:27,747 --> 00:37:31,375 the human race is capable of being humane. 410 00:37:33,628 --> 00:37:36,047 What's good about the writing of this song, from my point of view, 411 00:37:36,172 --> 00:37:40,051 is the leaving of the gaps for the repeat echo. 412 00:37:48,768 --> 00:37:52,607 It's kind of strange hearing it without the, without the echoes in it. 413 00:38:14,585 --> 00:38:19,924 I find myself with instrumentalists over the years working with people 414 00:38:20,174 --> 00:38:24,428 having very, very often as a producer in my capacity 415 00:38:24,637 --> 00:38:27,181 for producing records, having to say to people, 416 00:38:28,057 --> 00:38:32,103 "Now leave a hole, you know, now just play for half a bar 417 00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:35,940 and then leave a bar and a half free, you know, empty." 418 00:38:36,274 --> 00:38:40,653 And that's kind of what that song is, that's the way it works. 419 00:38:40,661 --> 00:38:43,698 The simplicity of Floyd is really almost hard to talk about 420 00:38:43,823 --> 00:38:49,620 because it is so simple. Um, Nick Mason playing very slowly, you know, 421 00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:58,546 exact, without a lot of... overly frilly percussion flourishes. 422 00:38:59,338 --> 00:39:02,884 Um, Richard's touch on piano and organ, very gentle, 423 00:39:02,967 --> 00:39:08,723 very soft, but also exact, and just hitting the notes right. 424 00:39:08,848 --> 00:39:11,517 It was always about leaving space. 425 00:39:32,497 --> 00:39:34,290 I think, Dave and Rick, 426 00:39:34,415 --> 00:39:37,001 their harmony vocals on it are really very affecting. 427 00:39:37,084 --> 00:39:39,378 Funny enough, they have similar voices, 428 00:39:39,462 --> 00:39:41,923 both their voices are a big factor in 429 00:39:42,006 --> 00:39:45,218 Dark Side of the Moon, the way, the way they blend. 430 00:39:48,888 --> 00:39:50,932 That's Dave and Rick together. 431 00:39:51,098 --> 00:39:54,352 Then Rick does another part lower that he did. 432 00:39:55,645 --> 00:39:58,356 And then the girls are also joining in. 433 00:40:27,260 --> 00:40:29,512 "I mean, they're not gonna kill ya, 434 00:40:29,595 --> 00:40:32,640 so if you give 'em a quick short, sharp shock 435 00:40:32,849 --> 00:40:35,893 they don't do it again. Dig it? I mean he got off lightly, 436 00:40:36,018 --> 00:40:39,021 'cause I could've given him a thrashing. I only hit him once! 437 00:40:39,105 --> 00:40:40,898 It was only a difference of right and wrong, ain't it? 438 00:40:41,065 --> 00:40:43,609 I mean good manners don't cost nothing, do they, eh?" 439 00:40:44,026 --> 00:40:47,321 It seemed to me really important, I can't, 440 00:40:47,405 --> 00:40:51,826 I've no idea why to have voices on this thing. 441 00:40:51,951 --> 00:40:54,287 And so the only thing that was clever about it at all 442 00:40:54,290 --> 00:40:57,665 was how to do it, so not to have an interview. 443 00:40:57,874 --> 00:40:59,959 Devised probably in the canteen 444 00:41:00,126 --> 00:41:03,421 and done later that evening. 445 00:41:03,629 --> 00:41:05,464 So I wrote a bunch of cards 446 00:41:05,673 --> 00:41:07,425 with the questions on them. 447 00:41:07,592 --> 00:41:09,594 I think what the voices did on the record was 448 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,888 they actually brought out the dark side, 449 00:41:12,054 --> 00:41:13,890 they were in a way the dark side of the record. 450 00:41:14,307 --> 00:41:16,017 First, we used a number of people 451 00:41:16,142 --> 00:41:17,894 who worked in the studio with us, 452 00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:20,354 so we used 3 or 4 of our road crew. 453 00:41:20,521 --> 00:41:22,565 "I ain't frightened of dying at all, 454 00:41:22,815 --> 00:41:24,734 'cause when you gotta go, you gotta go." 455 00:41:25,234 --> 00:41:26,819 The Irish doorman here, Gerry, 456 00:41:26,944 --> 00:41:29,113 "Why should I be frightened of dying? 457 00:41:29,405 --> 00:41:31,949 There's no reason for it, you gotta go some time". 458 00:41:32,366 --> 00:41:34,243 "Wings" were recording in here at the same time 459 00:41:34,327 --> 00:41:36,704 so we actually used Paul and Linda, Henry McCullough, 460 00:41:36,787 --> 00:41:39,081 "I don't know, I was really drunk at the time". 461 00:41:39,582 --> 00:41:42,752 It's the people who are not used to being interviewed, 462 00:41:42,877 --> 00:41:44,337 who come up with the stuff. 463 00:41:44,462 --> 00:41:45,838 I think they started off with 464 00:41:45,963 --> 00:41:49,967 "what's your favorite color?" and "your favorite food?" 465 00:41:50,092 --> 00:41:52,386 And when none of which was just to get people there. 466 00:41:52,553 --> 00:41:54,972 And then they went into "when was the last time you were violent?" 467 00:41:55,097 --> 00:41:58,184 This was the good bit, "when was the last time you were violent?" 468 00:41:58,351 --> 00:42:02,396 and then you'd take-- you'd answer it and take the next card, 469 00:42:02,522 --> 00:42:04,565 the next card said, "were you in the right?" 470 00:42:04,732 --> 00:42:07,443 "Yeah, heh heh, I was in the right." 471 00:42:07,568 --> 00:42:09,779 "Yes, absolutely in the right!" 472 00:42:09,862 --> 00:42:11,781 "I certainly was in the right!" 473 00:42:11,906 --> 00:42:13,282 "Yeah, I was definitely in the right, 474 00:42:13,407 --> 00:42:14,867 that geezer was cruising for a bruising." 475 00:42:15,117 --> 00:42:18,496 And this remarkable roadie called "Roger the Hat", 476 00:42:18,621 --> 00:42:21,165 "If I participate in this fucking effort, I hope I'm gonna get 477 00:42:21,249 --> 00:42:25,461 my gold disc at the end of it. Imagine that, uh! 478 00:42:26,546 --> 00:42:29,215 They were trying to track him down to do the cards 479 00:42:29,465 --> 00:42:31,259 and by the time they got ahold them, somebody... 480 00:42:31,467 --> 00:42:33,761 the cards had gone missing, I don't know where they'd gone. 481 00:42:34,262 --> 00:42:37,056 So, uh, Roger Waters actually ended up doing it, 482 00:42:37,139 --> 00:42:38,891 he actually did that one as an interview. 483 00:42:39,684 --> 00:42:43,688 Do you ever think you're going mad, Roger? 484 00:42:43,855 --> 00:42:48,818 And... I once reached a stage in my life where I was completely convinced 485 00:42:48,943 --> 00:42:52,921 that I'd gone over the brink, or, well, that's what I'd care to call it. 486 00:43:06,294 --> 00:43:09,130 It was obviously a bit to do with Syd, and... 487 00:43:09,839 --> 00:43:15,970 I think it's about... defending the notion of being different. 488 00:45:22,263 --> 00:45:24,849 The fundamental question that's facing us all is 489 00:45:24,932 --> 00:45:28,519 whether or not we're capable of dealing 490 00:45:28,686 --> 00:45:30,563 with the whole question of "Us and Them" 491 00:45:30,771 --> 00:45:33,191 What he was feeling as an individual 492 00:45:33,566 --> 00:45:38,112 mirrored almost exactly what a lot of other people 493 00:45:38,279 --> 00:45:40,072 were feeling at the time of their own lives. 494 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:41,616 There's no question in my mind that 495 00:45:41,741 --> 00:45:43,367 Dark Side of the Moon was one of the most important 496 00:45:43,493 --> 00:45:45,870 artistic statements of the last fifty years, probably. 497 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,749 It touched very many people all over the world 498 00:45:49,874 --> 00:45:53,377 in ways that could not simply be put down the fact that, 499 00:45:53,503 --> 00:45:56,172 "Oh, the nice tunes" and "Oh, I like that bit at the end." 500 00:45:56,255 --> 00:45:58,382 I mean, this was a complete experience. 501 00:45:58,508 --> 00:46:00,635 It was actually a really grim time, 502 00:46:00,801 --> 00:46:07,350 and he wrote a very grim record but did it with music 503 00:46:07,475 --> 00:46:12,146 that was extremely uplifting and compelling and bewitching. 504 00:46:12,313 --> 00:46:15,900 I think it was a ,very happy and creative 505 00:46:16,067 --> 00:46:18,694 and enjoyable time when we made this album. 506 00:46:18,861 --> 00:46:22,657 It was probably the most focused moment in our career 507 00:46:22,824 --> 00:46:26,160 in terms of all of us working together as a band. 508 00:46:26,285 --> 00:46:31,833 I'd love to have been a person who could sit back with his headphones on, 509 00:46:32,166 --> 00:46:36,379 listen to that the whole way through for the first time, 510 00:46:36,504 --> 00:46:39,757 I mean, I had never had this experience, 511 00:46:40,216 --> 00:46:42,035 But, uh, it would've been nice. 512 00:46:42,036 --> 00:46:43,650 The thing that's often missed is the fact 513 00:46:43,696 --> 00:46:46,681 that basically people respond to that on the 514 00:46:46,848 --> 00:46:50,000 emotional level, and that's what makes great records. 515 00:46:50,100 --> 00:46:52,895 It is driven by emotion. 516 00:46:53,145 --> 00:46:55,481 There's nothing plastic about it, you know. 517 00:46:55,606 --> 00:46:58,609 There's nothing contrived about it. 518 00:46:58,693 --> 00:47:01,478 And, I think that's what is giving it its, 519 00:47:01,488 --> 00:47:05,366 or maybe one of the things that's given it its longevity. 520 00:48:19,232 --> 00:48:22,902 But that's not to say that potential for the sun to shine doesn't exist. 521 00:48:23,110 --> 00:48:25,488 You know, walk down the path towards the light 522 00:48:25,655 --> 00:48:28,282 rather than walking into the darkness. 523 00:48:28,783 --> 00:48:30,827 There is no dark side on the moon really, 524 00:48:31,202 --> 00:48:33,955 matter of fact, it's all dark.46238

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