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INTERVIEWER: Do you feel
like the U.S. government
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has told you
the full truth about what
really happened and why?
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I don't think they've
told anybody the whole truth.
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The whole truth lies with
the people that were there.
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They hold the truth.
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NARRATOR:
The killing of
Kiki Camarena in 1985
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sent shockwaves
through the DEA.
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In the immediate aftermath,
the agency launched its own
investigation into the murder.
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It was called
Operation Leyenda.
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Prior to his death,
Kiki's investigations
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had cost the Guadalajara cartel
hundreds of millions of dollars.
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The cartel's role in Kiki's
murder was an open secret.
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But the DEA suspected that
high ranking Mexican officials
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were also involved.
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However, four years after
Operation Leyenda began,
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the DEA still had no
eye witnesses with
firsthand knowledge
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of Kiki's abduction,
torture, and murder.
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That changed when
Hector Berrellez
took over the investigation
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and began using his vast network
of Mexican informants
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to uncover the truth
about what happened
to Kiki in Guadalajara.
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BERRELLEZ:
Shortly after being assigned
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as head of the Camarena
murder investigation,
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my main focus and mission was:
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find out who was there
that could tell me
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everything that happened
to Kiki.
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MIKA: The last time that
I saw Kiki
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was when he left to work
that morning.
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We were laughing
because he had a new truck
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and he wanted to put the--
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the gray on the windows,
the protector.
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And I said, "Just have
somebody do it professionally
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and it'll look nice."
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"Oh, no, no, no, no,
I can do it, I'll do it,
I'll do it."
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When I went out that morning,
the whole back window
was bubbled.
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[LAUGHING] And I was--
I was making fun of him.
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So, it was--
it was a cheerful morning,
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it was a happy morning.
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He calls me about noon
and he says,
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"Hey, you want to go to
our favorite restaurant
to have lunch?"
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And I said, "Yes, well,
what time? What time?"
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I would never say no.
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I don't care what time it was,
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I don't care if I had
already had the table
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set up for dinner,
I would never say no.
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LIRA:
At dawn on February 7th,
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the day of the kidnapping.
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That day in the morning,
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Fonseca told me,
"Stay with me,
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because we are
going to do a job."
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LOPEZ:
Rene Verdugo arrived
and told Ernesto Fonseca,
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"Sir,
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"the person
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"will come out at noon,
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and we have to be there
before then."
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I was in Samuel's group.
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Ernesto Fonseca went
with Ramon Lira in one group.
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Caro Quintero
was with another.
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BERRELLEZ:
Six, seven cars,
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four to five men in each car
all carrying AK-47s.
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He's very well armed.
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LIRA:
We arrived there
and we parked
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at the intersection of
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Prisciliano Sanchez
and Lopez Cotilla,
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one or two blocks away
from the U.S. consulate.
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LOPEZ:
When Kiki comes out of
the consulate,
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Rene Verdugo says,
"That's him."
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When Kiki was in
the middle of the street,
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Samuel gets out of the car
and tells me, "Come on."
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When Kiki gets on
the sidewalk,
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as soon as he got on
the sidewalk, Samuel told him...
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"DFS," shows him
his credentials.
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"The comandante
wants to talk to you."
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Kiki very calmly turns around
and he says, "Esta bien,
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that's okay, let me notify
my office via radio,"
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and he reaches for his
walkie-talkie in his DEA truck,
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and that's when Sammy
pulled a gun on him, "No."
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Samuel told him,
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"Don't resist, or I'll
finish you right here."
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"Alright," Kiki said.
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I thought he was going to
react differently.
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Samuel said, "Let's walk."
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And Kiki walked, he was calm.
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We put him in the back seat.
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In between us.
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Samuel said, "Lean him over,
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and put a jacket
over his head."
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So we leaned him over
and put a jacket on him.
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Well, when we started
driving away,
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Samuel spoke on the radio.
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"We are taking the package
to the office."
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Those were the words he used.
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BERRELLEZ:
He says then we drove him to
the Lope de Vega house
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where Caro Quintero was,
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and all the military guys
and other DFS bosses were.
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MIKA: I go meet him
at the restaurant
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and he's not there,
which is fine because,
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you know, they- they--
it was a known fact
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they get delayed
for one reason or another,
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whatever's happening
at the office.
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But this time,
it was too long.
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I was hungry,
so I decided to eat.
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And I thought, I bet you
he was called back to work
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and that's why
he didn't show up.
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LOPEZ:
And the celebration began.
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When we all got out of
the cars and everything,
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they began to embrace.
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And they were excited,
you know?
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So they celebrated.
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And Samuel gave orders,
"Bring some bandages
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from the kitchen."
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Torres Lepe bandaged Kiki.
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He covered his eyes.
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And we got him out of the car,
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and we brought him to--
to the room that--
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that they have for servants.
It was a big house.
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INTERVIEWER:
And where was he?
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Show me the room.
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I want to know exactly
the layout of the room.
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The room more or less
was like this one.
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The pool was
right next to it.
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You go in and
here was the bed.
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A window there
and a bathroom here.
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When we got there,
Fonseca went directly
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to the room where
they had Camarena.
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And at that moment,
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I saw Camarena there,
blindfolded.
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Then I started noticing
all the politicians...
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It was kind of like a party.
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I think there were about...
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50, 60 people in the house.
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Government officials,
politicians, narcos...
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the cream of the crop.
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LIRA:
It's no birthday party.
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It's a macabre party,
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because a few steps away,
someone is being tortured.
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"And who told you about
the Bufalo plantation?"
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Kiki told him, "No, wait,"
he says.
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"I know I'm here
because of Caro Quintero.
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"I would like to talk to him.
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I'm of more use to Caro
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alive than dead."
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The first interrogator leaves,
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and Caro Quintero enters.
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When Caro Quintero enters,
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he grabs Kiki by the hair,
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and he throws him
to the ground.
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He told him, "Look,
you son a fucking bitch!
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"I sent you money, fucker.
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Yet you raided and
destroyed my plantation."
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"We were just doing
our job," Kiki answered.
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"Son of a bitch,
you took our money!
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We sent you money."
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"No," Kiki said,
"You're wrong.
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I've never taken
any money from you."
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"Now I want you to tell me,
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"who do you know
of the politicians
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who are involved in
drug trafficking?"
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Kiki said,
"No, you know what?
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"I don't know which politicians
you're talking about.
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"I don't know any
politicians that -
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are involved in
drug trafficking."
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"Don't play stupid,
you son of a bitch."
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So Caro laid him out
with a blow.
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Basically our job was
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to stand Kiki up
again and again.
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And Caro said,
"Tie this bastard up for me!"
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And they cut the cords
from the curtains.
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And with those cords,
they bound his feet and hands.
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No shirt, no pants.
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Just underpants.
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They took off all his clothes,
just his underwear.
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INTERVIEWER: What kind of
torture did they do?
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LIRA:
Blows, burns with cigarettes,
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jumping on his chest, kicks.
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BERRELLEZ:
And at one point they put
powder on his face
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from an AK47 cartridge
and lit it up.
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His jaw had been broken,
his teeth knocked out,
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his, you know, his skull
was all cracked
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from all the beatings
that he had on his head.
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He was violated through
the anal cavity.
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His ribs were all broken.
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So he's been
tortured severely.
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LOPEZ:
Two hours after
we brought Kiki,
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Felix Gallardo's
group arrived.
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Felix Gallardo.
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El Chapo and "Los Dormidos"
were bringing the pilot,
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they had kidnapped him too.
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And they started
torturing him as well.
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Same thing.
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BERRELLEZ: Rene tells us
that one of the interrogators
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was a comandante of the DFS
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who asked him
a lot of questions.
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And also, he says,
that this Cuban guy,
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Cubano was also
interrogating Kiki.
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And I'm very curious,
"Who is this Cubano, Rene?"
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I says, "Who is this Cubano?"
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He says, "I don't know."
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LOPEZ: I even asked
Samuel Ramirez once.
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"Who's this dude?
He looks Cuban."
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"Well, he's also DFS."
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That's what Samuel told me.
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BERRELLEZ: And the Cubano,
he's the one that brings in
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tape recording machines to
tape record the whole thing.
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They were tape recording
everything they were
asking him.
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It was a tape recorder -
black color, double cassette.
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BERRELLEZ: And I ask him,
[SPEAKING SPANISH].
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"What were they asking Kiki?"
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"They were asking him
about [SPEAKING SPANISH],
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what he knew about
the politicos protecting
the drug lords."
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"And what would he answer?"
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Kiki would say...
"I know nothing about that."
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They would also ask him about
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the Contras in Nicaragua.
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And Kiki kept answering,
"I know nothing, sir."
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LIRA:
They would not stop
asking him the same questions.
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what had he found out
about the CIA,
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what investigations
he had into the CIA,
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the nexus of the CIA
with drug trafficking,
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and what he knew about
the relationship
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between the Mexican government,
CIA and the Narcos.
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INTERVIEWER: And was he
screaming, or begging?
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Well, the last time
I saw him, he couldn't...
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he couldn't talk anymore.
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He could hardly speak, then.
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But he did beg them -
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to not hurt him anymore,
because he didn't know anything.
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BERRELLEZ: Fonseca's not happy
with the way it's going.
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Kiki's in real bad shape.
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He sees him and he gets mad
at Caro Quintero
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and he says [SPEAKING SPANISH].
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"This wasn't supposed to happen.
The guy's not in good shape,
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get a doctor over here."
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They sent for the doctor,
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who was Ernesto Fonseca's
chief doctor,
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Humberto Alvarez Machain.
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BERRELLEZ:
And he looks at Camarena
and he says,
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"He's not in good shape.
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I've got to get him
to a hospital
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or this guy's
not gonna make it."
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And Fonseca says,
"Okay, get him, let's
take him to a hospital."
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And Caro Quintero says,
"No, you can't take
this guy to a hospital.
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Are you kidding me?
This guy's DEA."
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Fonseca didn't agree.
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He wanted to release him,
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Fonseca wanted to take him
to a hospital to be saved.
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LOPEZ:
We left the Lope de Vega house,
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at like 7:00 or 8:00 PM.
249
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We left with Ernesto Fonseca.
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00:18:07,587 --> 00:18:09,339
BERRELLEZ: After he leaves,
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Dr. Machain starts taking
orders from Caro Quintero.
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He says, "We want to
keep interrogating him,
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the guy keeps-- keeps
going unconscious."
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The body can only take so much.
255
00:18:19,224 --> 00:18:21,684
So Humberto Alvarez Machain
was brought in
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and he would administer
medication to Camarena
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to revive him so
the torture could continue.
258
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MIKA: Many a night
I went to bed by myself.
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00:18:40,286 --> 00:18:42,330
But when Kiki was home,
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I would wake up in
the middle of the night
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and kinda try to
feel him with my leg,
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and just feel
the relief that he's home.
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But that night,
I did not wake up at all.
264
00:18:57,011 --> 00:18:59,764
And when I woke up
and saw that he was--
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he had not come home,
I panicked.
266
00:19:07,438 --> 00:19:10,650
Then I called his partner
and I said,
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"Kiki didn't come home."
268
00:19:14,153 --> 00:19:16,948
He said, "Didn't he
meet you for lunch?"
269
00:19:17,031 --> 00:19:19,909
And my heart
just dropped again,
270
00:19:19,993 --> 00:19:23,121
I knew that they did not know
he was missing.
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When I got to the Consulate,
Kiki's vehicle was still there.
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00:19:42,098 --> 00:19:44,350
At that point in time,
it became very obvious...
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well, it was probable
that he had been
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kidnapped by
drug traffickers
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and we began
to try to find him.
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00:19:52,358 --> 00:19:53,860
The secretaries
came to the office,
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00:19:53,943 --> 00:19:57,363
made phone calls
to the hospitals,
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the city morgue,
things like that, to no avail.
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I notified my superiors
in Mexico City,
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00:20:05,038 --> 00:20:06,497
I notified
the Consul General.
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00:20:06,581 --> 00:20:08,791
Those people started
the wheels moving
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00:20:08,875 --> 00:20:11,336
to inform the United States
government in Washington DC
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that we had a federal agent
missing in Mexico.
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00:20:16,174 --> 00:20:18,551
MIKA:
I knew, without a doubt,
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00:20:18,635 --> 00:20:19,886
that someone had taken him.
286
00:20:19,969 --> 00:20:22,513
It was not gonna be good.
287
00:20:22,597 --> 00:20:25,808
And all I could think of
doing is praying
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00:20:25,892 --> 00:20:29,687
that they would return him,
that they would not kill him.
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00:20:36,444 --> 00:20:40,907
MEDRANO: Kiki Camarena
is tortured for 36 hours.
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00:20:40,990 --> 00:20:42,617
And at this time
in the interrogation,
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00:20:42,700 --> 00:20:44,953
you can tell
from his responses,
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00:20:45,036 --> 00:20:49,582
he's a beaten man already,
he's barely hanging on.
293
00:20:49,666 --> 00:20:52,669
So, his answers
are very low key
294
00:20:52,752 --> 00:20:55,880
and in a very low volume.
295
00:20:55,964 --> 00:20:57,340
And then,
every once in a while,
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00:20:57,423 --> 00:20:59,217
interspersed with,
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00:20:59,300 --> 00:21:02,512
"Please don't hit me anymore."
298
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MIKA: The first day
that he was gone,
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00:21:09,477 --> 00:21:12,230
I worried
whether he had eaten,
300
00:21:12,313 --> 00:21:14,983
I worried whether he was cold.
301
00:21:15,066 --> 00:21:19,320
Because, unconsciously
I did not want to think
302
00:21:19,404 --> 00:21:22,991
that he was, no,
he was not coming back.
303
00:21:23,074 --> 00:21:25,785
That I would never
see him again.
304
00:21:31,833 --> 00:21:33,793
After he was gone two days,
305
00:21:33,876 --> 00:21:36,921
I got a...
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00:21:37,005 --> 00:21:40,133
a horrible pain
in my stomach
307
00:21:40,216 --> 00:21:45,388
and it was like
I just wanted to scream.
308
00:21:45,471 --> 00:21:49,308
My gut was telling me
he was gone.
309
00:21:57,358 --> 00:21:59,902
LOPEZ: Early the next morning,
Fonseca receives a phone call,
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00:21:59,986 --> 00:22:01,779
telling him that
there was trouble,
311
00:22:01,863 --> 00:22:06,701
that the gringo was dying.
312
00:22:06,784 --> 00:22:10,705
It was around 6:00, 7:00 AM,
313
00:22:10,788 --> 00:22:13,124
when we arrived at
Lope de Vega.
314
00:22:38,399 --> 00:22:40,276
When we arrived
with Ernesto Fonseca,
315
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,361
Caro Quintero was sitting
there under an umbrella.
316
00:22:42,445 --> 00:22:44,864
Fonseca said,
"What happened, buddy?"
317
00:22:44,947 --> 00:22:47,992
Caro said, "What happened
is what had to happen."
318
00:22:48,076 --> 00:22:51,496
"But that was
not the agreement."
319
00:22:51,579 --> 00:22:52,663
"Well, it was
not the agreement,
320
00:22:52,747 --> 00:22:54,916
but that's how things went."
321
00:22:54,999 --> 00:22:57,585
Fonseca said,
"You son of a bitch,
322
00:22:57,668 --> 00:22:59,128
this has totally
gone to shit."
323
00:22:59,212 --> 00:23:01,339
"We are going to
end up fucked."
324
00:23:01,422 --> 00:23:03,633
Ernesto Fonseca told Caro.
325
00:23:06,886 --> 00:23:10,431
"This mess is yours
to fix, asshole!"
326
00:23:10,515 --> 00:23:13,184
And Caro said,
"We have done worse things
327
00:23:13,267 --> 00:23:14,811
"and what has happened to us?
328
00:23:14,894 --> 00:23:19,690
You know very well that
here in Mexico, we rule."
329
00:23:19,774 --> 00:23:21,859
"No fucking way,
330
00:23:21,943 --> 00:23:25,029
the devil will take us
with this fight."
331
00:23:25,113 --> 00:23:28,825
And Caro said, "Leave this
fucking situation to me,
332
00:23:28,908 --> 00:23:31,119
I will resolve it."
333
00:23:31,202 --> 00:23:32,995
Fonseca says, "No, you're
not going to resolve shit.
334
00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:36,415
This fucking shit
cannot be resolved."
335
00:23:36,499 --> 00:23:40,044
Fonseca slapped Caro Quintero.
336
00:23:40,128 --> 00:23:43,089
Because I was
protecting Fonseca,
337
00:23:43,172 --> 00:23:47,218
I had to be watching
Caro Quintero's bodyguards
338
00:23:47,301 --> 00:23:50,429
to make sure they were not
going to kill us.
339
00:23:50,513 --> 00:23:53,182
Caro's men all
put [UNINTELLIGIBLE]
rounds into the rifles,
340
00:23:53,266 --> 00:23:54,642
and of course,
Fonseca has more men,
341
00:23:54,725 --> 00:23:56,853
and they all point
at Caro's men.
342
00:23:56,936 --> 00:24:01,524
And Fonseca then says,
[SPEAKING SPANISH].
343
00:24:01,607 --> 00:24:03,234
"You're doing this,
you're gonna pay for this."
344
00:24:03,317 --> 00:24:06,154
LIRA:
I escorted Fonseca to his house.
345
00:24:06,237 --> 00:24:07,989
And he arrived very angry.
346
00:24:08,072 --> 00:24:11,951
He grabbed his AK-47 and
fired off a whole magazine.
347
00:24:12,034 --> 00:24:15,079
I think it was 60 bullets.
348
00:24:15,163 --> 00:24:17,498
He emptied it all.
349
00:24:17,582 --> 00:24:19,625
And he wouldn't stop drinking.
350
00:24:19,709 --> 00:24:21,627
Drinking, and drinking.
351
00:24:23,462 --> 00:24:25,423
He's going crazy mad.
352
00:24:25,506 --> 00:24:28,426
"We are in deep shit!
353
00:24:28,509 --> 00:24:31,804
We are all gonna pay for
Caro's fucking mistake."
354
00:24:33,181 --> 00:24:34,891
From there on out,
355
00:24:34,974 --> 00:24:38,227
Ernesto Fonseca was fucked.
356
00:24:42,648 --> 00:24:47,111
That night they went to
bury the bodies.
357
00:24:47,195 --> 00:24:48,279
INTERVIEWER:
Who buried the bodies?
358
00:24:48,362 --> 00:24:49,864
"Los Dormidos."
359
00:24:49,947 --> 00:24:52,700
Because they were
in charge of burials.
360
00:24:52,783 --> 00:24:55,620
Of killing people
and burying them there.
361
00:24:55,703 --> 00:24:58,206
At La Primavera forest,
362
00:24:58,289 --> 00:24:59,999
that was basically
their graveyard.
363
00:25:00,082 --> 00:25:02,126
Those lands belonged to
Ruben Zuno Arce.
364
00:25:04,337 --> 00:25:08,132
All the La Primavera lands,
those were Zuno's lands.
365
00:25:08,216 --> 00:25:11,010
Same as the house at
Lope de Vega.
366
00:25:14,347 --> 00:25:17,141
BERRELLEZ:
And they have Zavala,
Kiki's pilot, the informant,
367
00:25:17,225 --> 00:25:18,976
and he's alive.
368
00:25:19,060 --> 00:25:20,895
And the pilot was thrown in
the same hole with Kiki
369
00:25:20,978 --> 00:25:23,773
and he was buried alive.
370
00:25:31,030 --> 00:25:34,116
The U.S. government is
mounting an unprecedented
effort this weekend
371
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,078
to find a kidnapped
American narcotics agent
and his captors.
372
00:25:38,579 --> 00:25:41,123
JORDAN:
Every office was working 24/7.
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00:25:41,207 --> 00:25:43,459
Kiki was the number
one priority.
374
00:25:44,752 --> 00:25:46,796
We have to send
a clear message
375
00:25:46,879 --> 00:25:49,340
to all parties concerned:
traffickers, law enforcement,
376
00:25:49,423 --> 00:25:52,343
businessmen alike
that we want something
done about it,
377
00:25:52,426 --> 00:25:53,594
we want our agent back.
378
00:25:56,472 --> 00:25:58,641
NARRATOR:
When U.S. authorities
ordered the crackdown,
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00:25:58,724 --> 00:26:01,060
they knew chances were slim
they'd find any trace
380
00:26:01,143 --> 00:26:03,896
of kidnapped Agent
Enrique Camarena.
381
00:26:03,980 --> 00:26:07,316
MEDRANO: We told
the Mexican government,
"give us our guy back."
382
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,360
They took their time,
they obstructed.
383
00:26:09,443 --> 00:26:11,529
But what got the job done,
384
00:26:11,612 --> 00:26:13,030
and this was unprecedented
385
00:26:13,114 --> 00:26:15,491
and never to be repeated
to this day,
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00:26:15,574 --> 00:26:18,577
the Mexican border
was shut down.
387
00:26:21,372 --> 00:26:25,251
And as that pressure grew,
the Mexican government
388
00:26:25,334 --> 00:26:28,504
and the drug dealers
had to scramble.
389
00:26:28,587 --> 00:26:30,840
What were they gonna say,
what were they gonna do,
390
00:26:30,923 --> 00:26:32,466
who were they gonna turn over?
391
00:26:45,313 --> 00:26:48,316
REPORTER: The man being hunted
is Rafael Caro Quintero,
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00:26:48,399 --> 00:26:49,984
a major cocaine trafficker.
393
00:26:50,067 --> 00:26:53,112
This is the man in charge
of finding Caro Quintero,
394
00:26:53,195 --> 00:26:55,323
Commander Armando Pavon,
395
00:26:55,406 --> 00:26:58,117
the head of a Mexican
federal task force.
396
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,662
Pavon Reyes was a Mexican
federal judicial police agent.
397
00:27:01,746 --> 00:27:03,998
He was sent from Mexico City
398
00:27:04,081 --> 00:27:08,627
to be the supervisor/comandante
of the group
399
00:27:08,711 --> 00:27:10,254
that was sent up
to help us look for Kiki.
400
00:27:34,987 --> 00:27:39,617
We escorted Caro Quintero
to the airport.
401
00:27:42,453 --> 00:27:43,704
When we arrived
at the airport,
402
00:27:43,788 --> 00:27:46,540
there was a group
of DEA agents
403
00:27:46,624 --> 00:27:48,626
and a group of the DFS.
404
00:27:48,709 --> 00:27:50,628
Everybody's got,
pointing guns at each other,
405
00:27:50,711 --> 00:27:52,088
the DEA agents are there,
406
00:27:52,171 --> 00:27:54,715
and the comandante
that's working with him,
407
00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:57,176
Armando Pavon Reyes
was with the DEA agents.
408
00:27:57,259 --> 00:28:00,596
He talks to Caro Quintero,
he hugs him,
409
00:28:00,679 --> 00:28:03,057
and then lets him go.
410
00:28:04,892 --> 00:28:07,645
And Caro Quintero
gets on the plane,
411
00:28:07,728 --> 00:28:09,980
and right before
the plane takes off,
412
00:28:10,064 --> 00:28:12,024
he gets a bottle of champagne,
and he tells them,
[SPEAKS SPANISH]
413
00:28:12,108 --> 00:28:17,279
"My children, next time,
bring better weapons,
ha, ha, ha, ha, ha."
414
00:28:17,363 --> 00:28:19,448
And the plane takes off.
415
00:28:21,867 --> 00:28:24,286
The agents ask
Pavon Reyes, the comandante
who hugged Caro Quintero,
416
00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:25,871
they said, "Why did you
hug him and let him go?"
417
00:28:25,955 --> 00:28:27,665
And he says,
"That wasn't Caro Quintero,
418
00:28:27,748 --> 00:28:29,291
"you guys don't even know
who Caro Quintero is.
419
00:28:29,375 --> 00:28:31,877
"That was a DFS comandante
friend of mine.
420
00:28:31,961 --> 00:28:35,506
And all those guys that were
there protecting him,
they're all DFS."
421
00:28:37,675 --> 00:28:39,885
LOPEZ:
Caro got on the plane and
422
00:28:39,969 --> 00:28:43,722
gave an envelope to
Pavon Reyes.
423
00:28:43,806 --> 00:28:46,976
Supposedly it contained
60 million pesos.
424
00:28:47,059 --> 00:28:49,603
But we didn't see the amount.
We just saw the envelope.
425
00:29:04,785 --> 00:29:07,037
They dug up the bodies,
426
00:29:07,121 --> 00:29:09,999
because the fight was now
on their doorstep.
427
00:29:10,082 --> 00:29:13,043
They decided to take
the bodies out of Jalisco,
428
00:29:13,127 --> 00:29:16,130
to move the problem
to another state.
429
00:29:16,213 --> 00:29:19,049
They decided to
move them to Michoacan.
430
00:29:22,219 --> 00:29:25,931
When we arrived
at La Primavera forest,
431
00:29:26,015 --> 00:29:27,391
El Chapo and "Los Dormidos"
432
00:29:27,475 --> 00:29:30,144
came out with
the bodies in bags.
433
00:29:30,227 --> 00:29:33,772
They threw the bodies
in the truck.
434
00:29:33,856 --> 00:29:36,192
And we drove to Michoacan.
435
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,209
When we arrived,
Pavon Reyes was there.
436
00:29:53,292 --> 00:29:55,419
He assigned one of his agents
437
00:29:55,503 --> 00:29:58,881
to show us where
to dump the bodies.
438
00:30:01,217 --> 00:30:04,803
Outside of town
there was a ditch,
439
00:30:04,887 --> 00:30:06,889
he said, "Throw them here."
440
00:30:06,972 --> 00:30:09,058
They grabbed the bags,
441
00:30:09,141 --> 00:30:10,476
out of the van
442
00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:11,852
and threw the bodies
in a ditch,
443
00:30:11,936 --> 00:30:13,896
and covered them
with branches.
444
00:32:05,215 --> 00:32:07,384
MIKA: The children didn't
have the privacy.
445
00:32:10,095 --> 00:32:13,390
I remember Danny
coming home one day
446
00:32:13,474 --> 00:32:14,808
with a TIME Magazine
and asking me,
447
00:32:14,892 --> 00:32:17,728
"Mom is this true?"
448
00:32:21,148 --> 00:32:24,234
I had to tell him...
449
00:32:24,318 --> 00:32:27,029
that he had been tortured.
450
00:32:28,447 --> 00:32:31,116
He was six years old.
451
00:32:48,759 --> 00:32:51,387
LOPEZ:
After all that had happened,
452
00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:53,347
Fonseca was going from
one place to another.
453
00:32:56,350 --> 00:32:58,811
LIRA:
One day Fonseca was driving,
454
00:32:58,894 --> 00:33:01,480
Samuel in the front,
me in the back seat.
455
00:33:01,563 --> 00:33:05,401
And Fonseca
told Samuel Ramirez,
456
00:33:05,484 --> 00:33:06,902
"This has gone to hell,
457
00:33:06,985 --> 00:33:08,445
the politicians
have abandoned us."
458
00:33:08,529 --> 00:33:09,738
That's what he said.
459
00:33:11,115 --> 00:33:14,618
So we changed houses
every night.
460
00:33:14,702 --> 00:33:17,204
We would arrive at six o'clock
in the afternoon,
461
00:33:17,287 --> 00:33:20,457
and by midnight, we were
already in another house.
462
00:33:20,541 --> 00:33:22,876
By four in the morning,
we were in another one.
463
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,212
We never knew where
we were going next.
464
00:33:28,507 --> 00:33:30,759
GODOY:
It was a dark night.
465
00:33:30,843 --> 00:33:34,972
You could feel
the devil's presence.
466
00:33:35,055 --> 00:33:37,975
A storm with
thunder, lightning.
467
00:33:38,058 --> 00:33:40,978
The fucking horse from
the devil, neighing.
468
00:33:42,438 --> 00:33:44,606
LIRA:
The lights went out,
469
00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:47,651
so I told Fonseca,
"I'm going to buy a fuse.
470
00:33:47,735 --> 00:33:50,612
And I'm going to take the
opportunity to go to roll call."
471
00:33:50,696 --> 00:33:52,448
"Ah, it's okay, you can go,"
Fonseca said.
472
00:33:52,531 --> 00:33:55,743
That's when I went to
the precinct and stayed there.
473
00:33:55,826 --> 00:33:58,787
But the truth was,
when I heard
474
00:33:58,871 --> 00:34:00,372
that the politicians...
475
00:34:00,456 --> 00:34:01,832
had abandoned him,
476
00:34:01,915 --> 00:34:06,754
I knew the whole thing
was fucked.
477
00:34:08,088 --> 00:34:09,631
I was carrying my AK-47,
478
00:34:09,715 --> 00:34:11,759
a 9-millimeter
and two grenades.
479
00:34:11,842 --> 00:34:14,094
I wasn't going to
let them catch me.
480
00:34:15,554 --> 00:34:17,347
That was the moment
I abandoned everything,
481
00:34:17,431 --> 00:34:19,725
and from then on,
always running.
482
00:34:32,279 --> 00:34:33,864
REPORTER:
The man said to
be at the center
483
00:34:33,947 --> 00:34:35,866
of much of the illicit
drug traffic in Mexico
484
00:34:35,949 --> 00:34:37,618
was captured today.
485
00:34:37,701 --> 00:34:40,954
Rafael Caro Quintero
was arrested in Costa Rica.
486
00:34:41,038 --> 00:34:43,290
He's considered
the prime suspect
487
00:34:43,373 --> 00:34:46,418
in the kidnap and murder
of American drug agent
Enrique Camarena.
488
00:34:48,462 --> 00:34:51,173
In a Mexican prison,
at a news conference,
489
00:34:51,256 --> 00:34:54,092
he laughs and jokes
with local reporters.
490
00:34:54,176 --> 00:34:56,136
REPORTER:
Why did you want to
visit Costa Rica?
491
00:34:56,220 --> 00:34:57,429
I was told
it's a quiet country,
492
00:34:57,513 --> 00:35:01,433
but as far as I've seen,
it's not.
493
00:35:01,517 --> 00:35:04,603
Hey, Rafa, do you consider
yourself a bad guy?
494
00:35:04,686 --> 00:35:06,688
- No. No.
- Why?
495
00:35:06,772 --> 00:35:11,235
If there's anything I have,
it's love for everybody.
496
00:35:11,318 --> 00:35:13,529
- You've never hurt anyone?
- Of course not.
497
00:35:13,612 --> 00:35:14,988
And I don't plan on it either.
498
00:35:15,072 --> 00:35:17,741
Rafael, did you have
anything to do
499
00:35:17,825 --> 00:35:19,952
with the death
of Enrique Camarena?
500
00:35:20,035 --> 00:35:23,872
Negative. I never saw
or met him.
501
00:35:23,956 --> 00:35:27,334
- Zavala, the pilot, neither?
- No. Nobody.
502
00:35:27,417 --> 00:35:30,754
I have nothing to do with...
503
00:35:30,838 --> 00:35:32,714
What was the name of
the murdered guy?
504
00:35:32,798 --> 00:35:35,175
- Enrique Camarena.
- It has nothing to do with me.
505
00:35:35,259 --> 00:35:37,052
Or Mr. Ernesto Fonseca either.
506
00:35:37,135 --> 00:35:39,137
Did you know there were
DEA agents working in Mexico?
507
00:35:39,221 --> 00:35:41,181
No, I never knew that.
508
00:35:41,265 --> 00:35:45,227
They knew about your houses
and your ranches.
509
00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:47,145
Maybe so.
510
00:35:47,229 --> 00:35:50,023
Maybe Camarena went there for
a stroll sometime before.
511
00:35:50,107 --> 00:35:52,568
Do you think the gringos
are meddlesome?
512
00:35:52,651 --> 00:35:54,695
No, because
I don't know them.
513
00:35:54,778 --> 00:35:57,155
They want you to be extradited
to the United States.
514
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,825
What else do they want?
515
00:35:59,908 --> 00:36:01,743
I'd like many things too,
but you can't have it all.
516
00:36:01,827 --> 00:36:03,495
I have no pending business
with the United States.
517
00:36:03,579 --> 00:36:04,580
So there's no reason
to extradite you?
518
00:36:04,663 --> 00:36:06,665
None. That's negative.
519
00:36:09,167 --> 00:36:12,504
Rafael, what's your real
relationship with Fonseca?
520
00:36:12,588 --> 00:36:14,089
How did you meet him?
521
00:36:14,172 --> 00:36:17,843
I've known him
since I was born.
522
00:36:23,557 --> 00:36:26,518
LOPEZ:
When they told Ernesto Fonseca
523
00:36:26,602 --> 00:36:29,354
that Caro was caught,
524
00:36:29,438 --> 00:36:32,149
then he felt more desperate.
525
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:34,651
He was thinking about escaping
526
00:36:34,735 --> 00:36:37,195
to El Salvador or Guatemala.
527
00:36:37,279 --> 00:36:39,072
But finally one morning,
528
00:36:39,156 --> 00:36:42,075
he decided we should hide
in Puerto Vallarta.
529
00:36:53,629 --> 00:36:57,925
We were guarding
Ernesto Fonseca Carrillo...
530
00:36:59,593 --> 00:37:04,640
and we had seen in the news
531
00:37:04,723 --> 00:37:08,352
that Rafael Caro Quintero
had been caught
532
00:37:08,435 --> 00:37:09,603
in Costa Rica.
533
00:37:09,686 --> 00:37:13,023
Then, Ernesto Fonseca realized
534
00:37:13,106 --> 00:37:15,359
he was going down, too.
535
00:37:15,442 --> 00:37:20,280
He would call the DFS,
but they all ignored him.
536
00:37:20,364 --> 00:37:22,741
Nobody answered him.
537
00:37:28,622 --> 00:37:31,500
GODOY:
Fonseca was very drunk.
538
00:37:31,583 --> 00:37:35,295
He was alone in his bedroom,
539
00:37:35,379 --> 00:37:38,757
listening to one tape
over and over,
540
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,592
a cassette tape.
541
00:37:43,178 --> 00:37:46,098
He listened to the tape
again and again.
542
00:37:46,181 --> 00:37:48,558
On it I heard strange grunts.
543
00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:53,105
"Enough.
Leave me.
544
00:37:53,188 --> 00:37:55,148
Don't torture me anymore."
545
00:37:55,232 --> 00:37:56,441
"Hey" (with Cuban accent).
546
00:37:56,525 --> 00:37:59,027
And I heard another voice,
547
00:37:59,111 --> 00:38:01,738
Caribbean, like Cuban.
548
00:38:01,822 --> 00:38:05,325
"Hey, brother, you have
to tell us what you did.
549
00:38:05,409 --> 00:38:07,619
What did you report
to Washington?"
550
00:38:07,703 --> 00:38:09,371
"Nothing, I didn't
report anything.
551
00:38:09,454 --> 00:38:11,498
"I didn't get any money.
552
00:38:11,581 --> 00:38:14,418
Let me go, please.
Don't torture me anymore."
553
00:38:14,501 --> 00:38:18,422
"What the fuck, you have
to tell us, bastard!
554
00:38:18,505 --> 00:38:20,507
Who are you reporting to
in Washington?"
555
00:38:21,883 --> 00:38:23,260
"To no one.
556
00:38:23,343 --> 00:38:26,304
"I didn't report to nobody.
557
00:38:26,388 --> 00:38:28,473
No one."
558
00:38:28,557 --> 00:38:33,270
LOPEZ:
When Fonseca was listening to
the tape in his bedroom,
559
00:38:33,353 --> 00:38:37,190
I heard the voice of
the Governor of Jalisco,
560
00:38:37,274 --> 00:38:40,360
also the voice of
a federal comandante.
561
00:38:40,444 --> 00:38:42,654
You could hear those voices.
562
00:38:42,738 --> 00:38:45,282
INTERVIEWER: But why was he
listening to the recording?
563
00:38:46,616 --> 00:38:48,285
GODOY:
He wouldn't stop listening to it
564
00:38:48,368 --> 00:38:50,287
because Don Ernesto knew
565
00:38:50,370 --> 00:38:53,999
he was doomed,
that they would follow us
566
00:38:54,082 --> 00:38:55,709
to the end of the earth.
567
00:39:12,392 --> 00:39:14,895
The sun was setting...
568
00:39:14,978 --> 00:39:18,607
the night was approaching...
569
00:39:18,690 --> 00:39:20,734
They surrounded us,
570
00:39:20,817 --> 00:39:22,569
lots of manpower.
571
00:39:22,652 --> 00:39:25,113
I was told,
"Surrender your badge."
572
00:39:25,197 --> 00:39:28,450
I said, "No fucking way,
you come and get me."
573
00:39:28,533 --> 00:39:31,078
"Come out with your hands up!"
574
00:39:31,161 --> 00:39:33,914
yelled the rural cop
in charge of the raid.
575
00:39:33,997 --> 00:39:37,459
And then the shooting began.
576
00:39:37,542 --> 00:39:40,670
Against the soldiers,
and the rural cops.
577
00:39:40,754 --> 00:39:43,215
We were being careful
to not hit our partners,
578
00:39:43,298 --> 00:39:46,009
who they were using
as human shields.
579
00:39:46,093 --> 00:39:49,638
Ernesto Fonseca was
coming down the stairs,
580
00:39:49,721 --> 00:39:51,973
and I told him, "Hey boss,
581
00:39:52,057 --> 00:39:54,309
the armored cars are
over there, let's use them.
582
00:39:54,392 --> 00:39:56,186
Let's go!"
583
00:39:56,269 --> 00:39:59,523
"No, no, wait. I'll fix this
right now," Fonseca said.
584
00:39:59,606 --> 00:40:02,526
And Fonseca said,
"Don't shoot.
585
00:40:02,609 --> 00:40:04,736
"Don't shoot,
everything's arranged.
586
00:40:04,820 --> 00:40:05,862
We'll surrender."
587
00:40:05,946 --> 00:40:08,240
"What are you saying, sir?
588
00:40:08,323 --> 00:40:10,826
Are we turning ourselves in?"
589
00:40:10,909 --> 00:40:12,911
"Yes, everything's arranged."
590
00:40:16,957 --> 00:40:20,377
I was walking behind Fonseca,
and I stopped abruptly,
591
00:40:20,460 --> 00:40:22,337
because Samuel yanked me back.
592
00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:24,840
That's what saved me.
593
00:40:29,386 --> 00:40:30,971
And I told Godoy,
"Let's fucking run, Godoy."
594
00:40:31,054 --> 00:40:32,848
"No, wait,
let's see what happens."
595
00:40:32,931 --> 00:40:34,933
"Dude, they're gonna
cuff your ass.
596
00:40:35,016 --> 00:40:37,102
Let's get the hell
out of here."
597
00:40:37,185 --> 00:40:38,854
"No, no," he said.
598
00:40:38,937 --> 00:40:42,440
And I said, "Well,
I'm out of here."
599
00:40:45,110 --> 00:40:50,031
Then, Don Ernesto Fonseca
and I were handcuffed.
600
00:40:50,115 --> 00:40:53,410
Handcuffed to each other.
601
00:40:53,493 --> 00:40:58,373
I had my AR-15 and my .45.
602
00:40:58,456 --> 00:41:00,125
If they followed me,
603
00:41:00,208 --> 00:41:03,128
I was ready to shoot
the fuck out of them.
604
00:41:03,211 --> 00:41:05,463
And I escaped to the beach.
605
00:41:05,547 --> 00:41:08,216
The beach was
right in front of me.
606
00:41:12,053 --> 00:41:15,307
It was already
beginning to get dark.
607
00:41:16,433 --> 00:41:19,686
When I got to the beach,
608
00:41:19,769 --> 00:41:23,481
I dug a hole in the sand
and hid the weapons.
609
00:41:24,858 --> 00:41:27,194
I can't tell you
any more because
610
00:41:27,277 --> 00:41:30,947
I can't remember
what happened that night,
611
00:41:31,031 --> 00:41:33,033
until the sun woke me up.
612
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,955
REPORTER: Mexican police
have arrested the man
613
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:41,833
they describe as the Godfather
of Mexican drug smugglers,
614
00:41:41,917 --> 00:41:46,213
Ernesto Fonseca Carrillo,
and his associates.
615
00:41:46,296 --> 00:41:48,590
Wearing borrowed sunglasses
and a smile,
616
00:41:48,673 --> 00:41:51,760
crime boss Ernesto Fonseca
was arraigned today in
Mexican federal court.
617
00:41:51,843 --> 00:41:54,471
He is charged with
kidnapping and murder
in connection with
618
00:41:54,554 --> 00:41:56,848
the killing of U.S. Drug Agent
Enrique Camarena.
619
00:41:56,932 --> 00:41:59,643
Also charged is one of
his men, Samuel Ramirez.
620
00:41:59,726 --> 00:42:03,688
Fonseca and his gang
were picked up Monday
in Puerto Vallarta
621
00:42:03,772 --> 00:42:06,858
after a gun battle
with Mexican authorities.
622
00:42:15,575 --> 00:42:18,119
GODOY:
We were just fucking soldiers,
623
00:42:18,203 --> 00:42:20,288
pure slag, pure police waste,
624
00:42:20,372 --> 00:42:22,999
we were simply being used.
625
00:42:23,083 --> 00:42:26,419
We were 26 bastards.
626
00:42:58,952 --> 00:43:00,996
He had a Cuban accent.
627
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:03,832
One time I even asked Samuel,
628
00:43:03,915 --> 00:43:07,002
"Who is this dude
who looks Cuban?"
629
00:43:07,085 --> 00:43:08,878
"Well, he's also DFS."
630
00:43:08,962 --> 00:43:10,880
That's what he told me.
631
00:43:10,964 --> 00:43:13,800
LIRA:
Max Gomez, yes, Max Gomez.
632
00:43:13,883 --> 00:43:16,177
GODOY:
I saw him at some of
the safe houses,
633
00:43:16,261 --> 00:43:18,847
taking bags of money,
634
00:43:18,930 --> 00:43:21,266
of narco dollars.
635
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:23,310
And I kept wondering,
what's a Cuban doing
636
00:43:23,393 --> 00:43:26,563
running around with all
these Mexicans and stuff?
637
00:43:26,646 --> 00:43:29,566
And I'm being told that
he's there interrogating
Kiki Camarena.
638
00:43:29,649 --> 00:43:35,322
Who is this...
this unknown Max Gomez?
639
00:43:35,405 --> 00:43:37,198
LIRA:
Yes, Max Gomez.
640
00:43:37,282 --> 00:43:42,203
He tried to hide under
641
00:43:42,287 --> 00:43:43,955
a pseudonym,
642
00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:46,666
but later on,
we learned his real name.
643
00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:49,169
Felix Rodriguez.
644
00:43:49,252 --> 00:43:52,088
Right away, I go to
all my people
645
00:43:52,172 --> 00:43:53,673
and I says,
"Run this guy all over."
646
00:43:55,842 --> 00:43:57,761
And he lit up
like a Christmas tree.
647
00:43:57,844 --> 00:44:01,139
I mean, this guy
is all over the place.
648
00:44:01,222 --> 00:44:04,017
This guy is CIA.
648
00:44:05,305 --> 00:45:05,768
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