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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today 2 00:01:30,883 --> 00:01:33,344 INTERVIEWER: Do you feel like the U.S. government 3 00:01:33,427 --> 00:01:37,681 has told you the full truth about what really happened and why? 4 00:01:37,765 --> 00:01:42,937 I don't think they've told anybody the whole truth. 5 00:01:43,020 --> 00:01:48,859 The whole truth lies with the people that were there. 6 00:01:48,943 --> 00:01:50,861 They hold the truth. 7 00:02:10,798 --> 00:02:14,218 NARRATOR: The killing of Kiki Camarena in 1985 8 00:02:14,301 --> 00:02:16,929 sent shockwaves through the DEA. 9 00:02:17,012 --> 00:02:21,684 In the immediate aftermath, the agency launched its own investigation into the murder. 10 00:02:21,767 --> 00:02:24,186 It was called Operation Leyenda. 11 00:02:24,270 --> 00:02:27,398 Prior to his death, Kiki's investigations 12 00:02:27,481 --> 00:02:31,277 had cost the Guadalajara cartel hundreds of millions of dollars. 13 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,114 The cartel's role in Kiki's murder was an open secret. 14 00:02:35,197 --> 00:02:38,826 But the DEA suspected that high ranking Mexican officials 15 00:02:38,909 --> 00:02:40,953 were also involved. 16 00:02:41,036 --> 00:02:44,206 However, four years after Operation Leyenda began, 17 00:02:44,290 --> 00:02:48,502 the DEA still had no eye witnesses with firsthand knowledge 18 00:02:48,586 --> 00:02:51,463 of Kiki's abduction, torture, and murder. 19 00:02:51,547 --> 00:02:55,259 That changed when Hector Berrellez took over the investigation 20 00:02:55,342 --> 00:02:58,512 and began using his vast network of Mexican informants 21 00:02:58,596 --> 00:03:03,142 to uncover the truth about what happened to Kiki in Guadalajara. 22 00:03:22,077 --> 00:03:24,079 BERRELLEZ: Shortly after being assigned 23 00:03:24,163 --> 00:03:26,790 as head of the Camarena murder investigation, 24 00:03:26,874 --> 00:03:29,835 my main focus and mission was: 25 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:34,798 find out who was there that could tell me 26 00:03:34,882 --> 00:03:36,258 everything that happened to Kiki. 27 00:03:48,437 --> 00:03:50,564 MIKA: The last time that I saw Kiki 28 00:03:50,648 --> 00:03:53,651 was when he left to work that morning. 29 00:03:53,734 --> 00:03:57,237 We were laughing because he had a new truck 30 00:03:57,321 --> 00:04:00,199 and he wanted to put the-- 31 00:04:00,282 --> 00:04:03,619 the gray on the windows, the protector. 32 00:04:03,702 --> 00:04:06,330 And I said, "Just have somebody do it professionally 33 00:04:06,413 --> 00:04:08,165 and it'll look nice." 34 00:04:08,248 --> 00:04:10,709 "Oh, no, no, no, no, I can do it, I'll do it, I'll do it." 35 00:04:10,793 --> 00:04:14,588 When I went out that morning, the whole back window was bubbled. 36 00:04:14,672 --> 00:04:19,093 [LAUGHING] And I was-- I was making fun of him. 37 00:04:19,176 --> 00:04:22,137 So, it was-- it was a cheerful morning, 38 00:04:22,221 --> 00:04:23,389 it was a happy morning. 39 00:04:25,099 --> 00:04:27,434 He calls me about noon and he says, 40 00:04:27,518 --> 00:04:31,522 "Hey, you want to go to our favorite restaurant to have lunch?" 41 00:04:31,605 --> 00:04:33,732 And I said, "Yes, well, what time? What time?" 42 00:04:33,816 --> 00:04:35,818 I would never say no. 43 00:04:35,901 --> 00:04:37,736 I don't care what time it was, 44 00:04:37,820 --> 00:04:41,073 I don't care if I had already had the table 45 00:04:41,156 --> 00:04:43,659 set up for dinner, I would never say no. 46 00:04:47,579 --> 00:04:50,165 LIRA: At dawn on February 7th, 47 00:04:50,249 --> 00:04:52,126 the day of the kidnapping. 48 00:04:52,209 --> 00:04:53,961 That day in the morning, 49 00:04:54,044 --> 00:04:57,172 Fonseca told me, "Stay with me, 50 00:04:57,256 --> 00:05:00,551 because we are going to do a job." 51 00:05:00,634 --> 00:05:05,514 LOPEZ: Rene Verdugo arrived and told Ernesto Fonseca, 52 00:05:05,597 --> 00:05:08,642 "Sir, 53 00:05:08,726 --> 00:05:11,770 "the person 54 00:05:11,854 --> 00:05:13,605 "will come out at noon, 55 00:05:13,689 --> 00:05:15,774 and we have to be there before then." 56 00:05:19,153 --> 00:05:21,947 I was in Samuel's group. 57 00:05:24,908 --> 00:05:29,705 Ernesto Fonseca went with Ramon Lira in one group. 58 00:05:29,788 --> 00:05:32,374 Caro Quintero was with another. 59 00:05:32,458 --> 00:05:35,586 BERRELLEZ: Six, seven cars, 60 00:05:35,669 --> 00:05:39,423 four to five men in each car all carrying AK-47s. 61 00:05:39,506 --> 00:05:41,633 He's very well armed. 62 00:05:48,515 --> 00:05:51,560 LIRA: We arrived there and we parked 63 00:05:54,104 --> 00:05:56,106 at the intersection of 64 00:05:56,190 --> 00:05:58,984 Prisciliano Sanchez and Lopez Cotilla, 65 00:05:59,068 --> 00:06:04,364 one or two blocks away from the U.S. consulate. 66 00:06:06,450 --> 00:06:08,494 LOPEZ: When Kiki comes out of the consulate, 67 00:06:08,577 --> 00:06:12,372 Rene Verdugo says, "That's him." 68 00:06:12,456 --> 00:06:17,211 When Kiki was in the middle of the street, 69 00:06:17,294 --> 00:06:20,005 Samuel gets out of the car and tells me, "Come on." 70 00:06:22,007 --> 00:06:23,592 When Kiki gets on the sidewalk, 71 00:06:23,675 --> 00:06:25,886 as soon as he got on the sidewalk, Samuel told him... 72 00:06:25,969 --> 00:06:27,846 "DFS," shows him his credentials. 73 00:06:27,930 --> 00:06:30,641 "The comandante wants to talk to you." 74 00:06:30,724 --> 00:06:33,727 Kiki very calmly turns around and he says, "Esta bien, 75 00:06:33,811 --> 00:06:37,523 that's okay, let me notify my office via radio," 76 00:06:37,606 --> 00:06:41,110 and he reaches for his walkie-talkie in his DEA truck, 77 00:06:41,193 --> 00:06:43,904 and that's when Sammy pulled a gun on him, "No." 78 00:06:43,987 --> 00:06:45,614 Samuel told him, 79 00:06:45,697 --> 00:06:48,659 "Don't resist, or I'll finish you right here." 80 00:06:50,661 --> 00:06:52,079 "Alright," Kiki said. 81 00:06:52,162 --> 00:06:55,833 I thought he was going to react differently. 82 00:07:00,087 --> 00:07:01,672 Samuel said, "Let's walk." 83 00:07:01,755 --> 00:07:04,967 And Kiki walked, he was calm. 84 00:07:05,050 --> 00:07:08,637 We put him in the back seat. 85 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,516 In between us. 86 00:07:13,851 --> 00:07:16,436 Samuel said, "Lean him over, 87 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,313 and put a jacket over his head." 88 00:07:19,815 --> 00:07:22,276 So we leaned him over and put a jacket on him. 89 00:07:24,278 --> 00:07:27,489 Well, when we started driving away, 90 00:07:27,573 --> 00:07:29,825 Samuel spoke on the radio. 91 00:07:29,908 --> 00:07:32,286 "We are taking the package to the office." 92 00:07:32,369 --> 00:07:35,122 Those were the words he used. 93 00:07:37,875 --> 00:07:41,044 BERRELLEZ: He says then we drove him to the Lope de Vega house 94 00:07:41,128 --> 00:07:42,921 where Caro Quintero was, 95 00:07:43,005 --> 00:07:46,258 and all the military guys and other DFS bosses were. 96 00:07:59,229 --> 00:08:03,275 MIKA: I go meet him at the restaurant 97 00:08:03,358 --> 00:08:07,112 and he's not there, which is fine because, 98 00:08:07,196 --> 00:08:09,740 you know, they- they-- it was a known fact 99 00:08:09,823 --> 00:08:11,825 they get delayed for one reason or another, 100 00:08:11,909 --> 00:08:14,703 whatever's happening at the office. 101 00:08:14,786 --> 00:08:17,122 But this time, it was too long. 102 00:08:19,917 --> 00:08:23,503 I was hungry, so I decided to eat. 103 00:08:23,587 --> 00:08:25,797 And I thought, I bet you he was called back to work 104 00:08:25,881 --> 00:08:28,467 and that's why he didn't show up. 105 00:08:35,098 --> 00:08:38,268 LOPEZ: And the celebration began. 106 00:08:38,352 --> 00:08:40,479 When we all got out of the cars and everything, 107 00:08:40,562 --> 00:08:42,064 they began to embrace. 108 00:08:42,147 --> 00:08:44,399 And they were excited, you know? 109 00:08:44,483 --> 00:08:46,235 So they celebrated. 110 00:08:47,694 --> 00:08:51,490 And Samuel gave orders, "Bring some bandages 111 00:08:51,573 --> 00:08:53,033 from the kitchen." 112 00:08:53,116 --> 00:08:56,119 Torres Lepe bandaged Kiki. 113 00:08:56,203 --> 00:08:57,371 He covered his eyes. 114 00:08:57,454 --> 00:08:59,665 And we got him out of the car, 115 00:08:59,748 --> 00:09:03,126 and we brought him to-- to the room that-- 116 00:09:03,210 --> 00:09:07,464 that they have for servants. It was a big house. 117 00:09:15,138 --> 00:09:17,140 INTERVIEWER: And where was he? 118 00:09:17,224 --> 00:09:18,850 Show me the room. 119 00:09:18,934 --> 00:09:20,435 I want to know exactly the layout of the room. 120 00:09:20,519 --> 00:09:24,022 The room more or less was like this one. 121 00:09:24,106 --> 00:09:27,776 The pool was right next to it. 122 00:09:29,027 --> 00:09:31,989 You go in and here was the bed. 123 00:09:32,072 --> 00:09:35,742 A window there and a bathroom here. 124 00:09:38,203 --> 00:09:40,831 When we got there, Fonseca went directly 125 00:09:40,914 --> 00:09:44,418 to the room where they had Camarena. 126 00:09:44,501 --> 00:09:46,795 And at that moment, 127 00:09:46,878 --> 00:09:50,173 I saw Camarena there, blindfolded. 128 00:09:50,257 --> 00:09:53,802 Then I started noticing all the politicians... 129 00:09:53,885 --> 00:09:58,223 It was kind of like a party. 130 00:09:58,307 --> 00:10:00,225 I think there were about... 131 00:10:00,309 --> 00:10:03,854 50, 60 people in the house. 132 00:10:03,937 --> 00:10:09,484 Government officials, politicians, narcos... 133 00:10:09,568 --> 00:10:12,237 the cream of the crop. 134 00:10:15,324 --> 00:10:17,409 LIRA: It's no birthday party. 135 00:10:17,492 --> 00:10:19,703 It's a macabre party, 136 00:10:19,786 --> 00:10:23,999 because a few steps away, someone is being tortured. 137 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:43,226 "And who told you about the Bufalo plantation?" 138 00:10:45,228 --> 00:10:47,773 Kiki told him, "No, wait," he says. 139 00:10:47,856 --> 00:10:52,319 "I know I'm here because of Caro Quintero. 140 00:10:52,402 --> 00:10:55,280 "I would like to talk to him. 141 00:10:55,364 --> 00:10:58,575 I'm of more use to Caro 142 00:10:58,658 --> 00:11:00,452 alive than dead." 143 00:11:03,955 --> 00:11:05,832 The first interrogator leaves, 144 00:11:05,916 --> 00:11:07,459 and Caro Quintero enters. 145 00:11:08,919 --> 00:11:11,088 When Caro Quintero enters, 146 00:11:11,171 --> 00:11:13,465 he grabs Kiki by the hair, 147 00:11:13,548 --> 00:11:16,343 and he throws him to the ground. 148 00:11:16,426 --> 00:11:19,304 He told him, "Look, you son a fucking bitch! 149 00:11:19,388 --> 00:11:21,973 "I sent you money, fucker. 150 00:11:22,057 --> 00:11:24,351 Yet you raided and destroyed my plantation." 151 00:11:26,144 --> 00:11:29,439 "We were just doing our job," Kiki answered. 152 00:11:29,523 --> 00:11:33,485 "Son of a bitch, you took our money! 153 00:11:33,568 --> 00:11:36,822 We sent you money." 154 00:11:36,905 --> 00:11:40,992 "No," Kiki said, "You're wrong. 155 00:11:41,076 --> 00:11:44,121 I've never taken any money from you." 156 00:11:47,916 --> 00:11:50,168 "Now I want you to tell me, 157 00:11:50,252 --> 00:11:53,422 "who do you know of the politicians 158 00:11:53,505 --> 00:11:55,966 who are involved in drug trafficking?" 159 00:11:58,343 --> 00:12:00,095 Kiki said, "No, you know what? 160 00:12:00,178 --> 00:12:03,807 "I don't know which politicians you're talking about. 161 00:12:03,890 --> 00:12:05,725 "I don't know any politicians that - 162 00:12:05,809 --> 00:12:08,603 are involved in drug trafficking." 163 00:12:08,687 --> 00:12:11,690 "Don't play stupid, you son of a bitch." 164 00:12:11,773 --> 00:12:14,734 So Caro laid him out with a blow. 165 00:12:16,611 --> 00:12:20,282 Basically our job was 166 00:12:20,365 --> 00:12:22,784 to stand Kiki up again and again. 167 00:12:22,868 --> 00:12:25,745 And Caro said, "Tie this bastard up for me!" 168 00:12:27,289 --> 00:12:31,084 And they cut the cords from the curtains. 169 00:12:31,168 --> 00:12:34,546 And with those cords, they bound his feet and hands. 170 00:12:34,629 --> 00:12:37,215 No shirt, no pants. 171 00:12:37,299 --> 00:12:39,009 Just underpants. 172 00:12:39,092 --> 00:12:42,679 They took off all his clothes, just his underwear. 173 00:12:45,765 --> 00:12:47,476 INTERVIEWER: What kind of torture did they do? 174 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:51,897 LIRA: Blows, burns with cigarettes, 175 00:12:51,980 --> 00:12:55,859 jumping on his chest, kicks. 176 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,322 BERRELLEZ: And at one point they put powder on his face 177 00:13:00,405 --> 00:13:04,910 from an AK47 cartridge and lit it up. 178 00:13:04,993 --> 00:13:07,120 His jaw had been broken, his teeth knocked out, 179 00:13:07,204 --> 00:13:10,207 his, you know, his skull was all cracked 180 00:13:10,290 --> 00:13:12,751 from all the beatings that he had on his head. 181 00:13:12,834 --> 00:13:15,795 He was violated through the anal cavity. 182 00:13:17,214 --> 00:13:19,174 His ribs were all broken. 183 00:13:19,257 --> 00:13:21,968 So he's been tortured severely. 184 00:13:39,694 --> 00:13:42,697 LOPEZ: Two hours after we brought Kiki, 185 00:13:42,781 --> 00:13:45,033 Felix Gallardo's group arrived. 186 00:13:45,116 --> 00:13:47,536 Felix Gallardo. 187 00:13:49,621 --> 00:13:55,377 El Chapo and "Los Dormidos" were bringing the pilot, 188 00:13:55,460 --> 00:13:58,838 they had kidnapped him too. 189 00:13:58,922 --> 00:14:00,715 And they started torturing him as well. 190 00:14:00,799 --> 00:14:02,133 Same thing. 191 00:14:07,806 --> 00:14:11,017 BERRELLEZ: Rene tells us that one of the interrogators 192 00:14:11,101 --> 00:14:15,564 was a comandante of the DFS 193 00:14:15,647 --> 00:14:18,483 who asked him a lot of questions. 194 00:14:34,249 --> 00:14:38,336 And also, he says, that this Cuban guy, 195 00:14:38,420 --> 00:14:41,715 Cubano was also interrogating Kiki. 196 00:14:41,798 --> 00:14:44,759 And I'm very curious, "Who is this Cubano, Rene?" 197 00:14:44,843 --> 00:14:45,927 I says, "Who is this Cubano?" 198 00:14:46,011 --> 00:14:47,929 He says, "I don't know." 199 00:14:48,013 --> 00:14:51,391 LOPEZ: I even asked Samuel Ramirez once. 200 00:14:51,474 --> 00:14:55,645 "Who's this dude? He looks Cuban." 201 00:14:55,729 --> 00:14:57,314 "Well, he's also DFS." 202 00:14:57,397 --> 00:14:59,190 That's what Samuel told me. 203 00:14:59,274 --> 00:15:02,485 BERRELLEZ: And the Cubano, he's the one that brings in 204 00:15:02,569 --> 00:15:06,573 tape recording machines to tape record the whole thing. 205 00:15:06,656 --> 00:15:09,242 They were tape recording everything they were asking him. 206 00:15:09,326 --> 00:15:13,747 It was a tape recorder - black color, double cassette. 207 00:15:13,830 --> 00:15:16,750 BERRELLEZ: And I ask him, [SPEAKING SPANISH]. 208 00:15:16,833 --> 00:15:18,335 "What were they asking Kiki?" 209 00:15:18,418 --> 00:15:20,879 "They were asking him about [SPEAKING SPANISH], 210 00:15:20,962 --> 00:15:24,215 what he knew about the politicos protecting the drug lords." 211 00:15:24,299 --> 00:15:25,925 "And what would he answer?" 212 00:15:26,009 --> 00:15:30,221 Kiki would say... "I know nothing about that." 213 00:15:30,305 --> 00:15:32,265 They would also ask him about 214 00:15:32,349 --> 00:15:35,143 the Contras in Nicaragua. 215 00:15:35,226 --> 00:15:39,731 And Kiki kept answering, "I know nothing, sir." 216 00:15:39,814 --> 00:15:42,442 LIRA: They would not stop asking him the same questions. 217 00:15:42,525 --> 00:15:45,862 what had he found out about the CIA, 218 00:15:45,945 --> 00:15:48,573 what investigations he had into the CIA, 219 00:15:48,657 --> 00:15:52,535 the nexus of the CIA with drug trafficking, 220 00:15:52,619 --> 00:15:55,205 and what he knew about the relationship 221 00:15:55,288 --> 00:15:59,167 between the Mexican government, CIA and the Narcos. 222 00:15:59,250 --> 00:16:02,212 INTERVIEWER: And was he screaming, or begging? 223 00:16:02,295 --> 00:16:05,674 Well, the last time I saw him, he couldn't... 224 00:16:05,757 --> 00:16:07,050 he couldn't talk anymore. 225 00:16:07,133 --> 00:16:09,928 He could hardly speak, then. 226 00:16:10,011 --> 00:16:12,097 But he did beg them - 227 00:16:12,180 --> 00:16:14,683 to not hurt him anymore, because he didn't know anything. 228 00:17:04,149 --> 00:17:06,234 BERRELLEZ: Fonseca's not happy with the way it's going. 229 00:17:06,317 --> 00:17:09,571 Kiki's in real bad shape. 230 00:17:09,654 --> 00:17:12,866 He sees him and he gets mad at Caro Quintero 231 00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:14,701 and he says [SPEAKING SPANISH]. 232 00:17:14,784 --> 00:17:16,745 "This wasn't supposed to happen. The guy's not in good shape, 233 00:17:16,828 --> 00:17:17,954 get a doctor over here." 234 00:17:18,037 --> 00:17:20,623 They sent for the doctor, 235 00:17:20,707 --> 00:17:23,251 who was Ernesto Fonseca's chief doctor, 236 00:17:23,334 --> 00:17:26,838 Humberto Alvarez Machain. 237 00:17:26,921 --> 00:17:29,549 BERRELLEZ: And he looks at Camarena and he says, 238 00:17:29,632 --> 00:17:31,176 "He's not in good shape. 239 00:17:31,259 --> 00:17:33,136 I've got to get him to a hospital 240 00:17:33,219 --> 00:17:36,097 or this guy's not gonna make it." 241 00:17:36,181 --> 00:17:40,018 And Fonseca says, "Okay, get him, let's take him to a hospital." 242 00:17:40,101 --> 00:17:42,270 And Caro Quintero says, "No, you can't take this guy to a hospital. 243 00:17:42,353 --> 00:17:44,314 Are you kidding me? This guy's DEA." 244 00:17:44,397 --> 00:17:46,775 Fonseca didn't agree. 245 00:17:46,858 --> 00:17:48,943 He wanted to release him, 246 00:17:49,027 --> 00:17:52,322 Fonseca wanted to take him to a hospital to be saved. 247 00:17:55,992 --> 00:17:58,995 LOPEZ: We left the Lope de Vega house, 248 00:17:59,078 --> 00:18:02,624 at like 7:00 or 8:00 PM. 249 00:18:02,707 --> 00:18:04,959 We left with Ernesto Fonseca. 250 00:18:07,587 --> 00:18:09,339 BERRELLEZ: After he leaves, 251 00:18:09,422 --> 00:18:12,801 Dr. Machain starts taking orders from Caro Quintero. 252 00:18:12,884 --> 00:18:14,427 He says, "We want to keep interrogating him, 253 00:18:14,511 --> 00:18:16,805 the guy keeps-- keeps going unconscious." 254 00:18:16,888 --> 00:18:19,140 The body can only take so much. 255 00:18:19,224 --> 00:18:21,684 So Humberto Alvarez Machain was brought in 256 00:18:21,768 --> 00:18:25,855 and he would administer medication to Camarena 257 00:18:25,939 --> 00:18:29,359 to revive him so the torture could continue. 258 00:18:37,992 --> 00:18:40,203 MIKA: Many a night I went to bed by myself. 259 00:18:40,286 --> 00:18:42,330 But when Kiki was home, 260 00:18:42,413 --> 00:18:43,915 I would wake up in the middle of the night 261 00:18:43,998 --> 00:18:46,042 and kinda try to feel him with my leg, 262 00:18:46,125 --> 00:18:48,795 and just feel the relief that he's home. 263 00:18:51,673 --> 00:18:56,928 But that night, I did not wake up at all. 264 00:18:57,011 --> 00:18:59,764 And when I woke up and saw that he was-- 265 00:18:59,848 --> 00:19:02,684 he had not come home, I panicked. 266 00:19:07,438 --> 00:19:10,650 Then I called his partner and I said, 267 00:19:10,733 --> 00:19:14,070 "Kiki didn't come home." 268 00:19:14,153 --> 00:19:16,948 He said, "Didn't he meet you for lunch?" 269 00:19:17,031 --> 00:19:19,909 And my heart just dropped again, 270 00:19:19,993 --> 00:19:23,121 I knew that they did not know he was missing. 271 00:19:35,884 --> 00:19:38,678 When I got to the Consulate, Kiki's vehicle was still there. 272 00:19:42,098 --> 00:19:44,350 At that point in time, it became very obvious... 273 00:19:44,434 --> 00:19:47,353 well, it was probable that he had been 274 00:19:47,437 --> 00:19:49,898 kidnapped by drug traffickers 275 00:19:49,981 --> 00:19:52,275 and we began to try to find him. 276 00:19:52,358 --> 00:19:53,860 The secretaries came to the office, 277 00:19:53,943 --> 00:19:57,363 made phone calls to the hospitals, 278 00:19:57,447 --> 00:20:01,075 the city morgue, things like that, to no avail. 279 00:20:01,159 --> 00:20:04,954 I notified my superiors in Mexico City, 280 00:20:05,038 --> 00:20:06,497 I notified the Consul General. 281 00:20:06,581 --> 00:20:08,791 Those people started the wheels moving 282 00:20:08,875 --> 00:20:11,336 to inform the United States government in Washington DC 283 00:20:11,419 --> 00:20:14,464 that we had a federal agent missing in Mexico. 284 00:20:16,174 --> 00:20:18,551 MIKA: I knew, without a doubt, 285 00:20:18,635 --> 00:20:19,886 that someone had taken him. 286 00:20:19,969 --> 00:20:22,513 It was not gonna be good. 287 00:20:22,597 --> 00:20:25,808 And all I could think of doing is praying 288 00:20:25,892 --> 00:20:29,687 that they would return him, that they would not kill him. 289 00:20:36,444 --> 00:20:40,907 MEDRANO: Kiki Camarena is tortured for 36 hours. 290 00:20:40,990 --> 00:20:42,617 And at this time in the interrogation, 291 00:20:42,700 --> 00:20:44,953 you can tell from his responses, 292 00:20:45,036 --> 00:20:49,582 he's a beaten man already, he's barely hanging on. 293 00:20:49,666 --> 00:20:52,669 So, his answers are very low key 294 00:20:52,752 --> 00:20:55,880 and in a very low volume. 295 00:20:55,964 --> 00:20:57,340 And then, every once in a while, 296 00:20:57,423 --> 00:20:59,217 interspersed with, 297 00:20:59,300 --> 00:21:02,512 "Please don't hit me anymore." 298 00:21:07,767 --> 00:21:09,394 MIKA: The first day that he was gone, 299 00:21:09,477 --> 00:21:12,230 I worried whether he had eaten, 300 00:21:12,313 --> 00:21:14,983 I worried whether he was cold. 301 00:21:15,066 --> 00:21:19,320 Because, unconsciously I did not want to think 302 00:21:19,404 --> 00:21:22,991 that he was, no, he was not coming back. 303 00:21:23,074 --> 00:21:25,785 That I would never see him again. 304 00:21:31,833 --> 00:21:33,793 After he was gone two days, 305 00:21:33,876 --> 00:21:36,921 I got a... 306 00:21:37,005 --> 00:21:40,133 a horrible pain in my stomach 307 00:21:40,216 --> 00:21:45,388 and it was like I just wanted to scream. 308 00:21:45,471 --> 00:21:49,308 My gut was telling me he was gone. 309 00:21:57,358 --> 00:21:59,902 LOPEZ: Early the next morning, Fonseca receives a phone call, 310 00:21:59,986 --> 00:22:01,779 telling him that there was trouble, 311 00:22:01,863 --> 00:22:06,701 that the gringo was dying. 312 00:22:06,784 --> 00:22:10,705 It was around 6:00, 7:00 AM, 313 00:22:10,788 --> 00:22:13,124 when we arrived at Lope de Vega. 314 00:22:38,399 --> 00:22:40,276 When we arrived with Ernesto Fonseca, 315 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,361 Caro Quintero was sitting there under an umbrella. 316 00:22:42,445 --> 00:22:44,864 Fonseca said, "What happened, buddy?" 317 00:22:44,947 --> 00:22:47,992 Caro said, "What happened is what had to happen." 318 00:22:48,076 --> 00:22:51,496 "But that was not the agreement." 319 00:22:51,579 --> 00:22:52,663 "Well, it was not the agreement, 320 00:22:52,747 --> 00:22:54,916 but that's how things went." 321 00:22:54,999 --> 00:22:57,585 Fonseca said, "You son of a bitch, 322 00:22:57,668 --> 00:22:59,128 this has totally gone to shit." 323 00:22:59,212 --> 00:23:01,339 "We are going to end up fucked." 324 00:23:01,422 --> 00:23:03,633 Ernesto Fonseca told Caro. 325 00:23:06,886 --> 00:23:10,431 "This mess is yours to fix, asshole!" 326 00:23:10,515 --> 00:23:13,184 And Caro said, "We have done worse things 327 00:23:13,267 --> 00:23:14,811 "and what has happened to us? 328 00:23:14,894 --> 00:23:19,690 You know very well that here in Mexico, we rule." 329 00:23:19,774 --> 00:23:21,859 "No fucking way, 330 00:23:21,943 --> 00:23:25,029 the devil will take us with this fight." 331 00:23:25,113 --> 00:23:28,825 And Caro said, "Leave this fucking situation to me, 332 00:23:28,908 --> 00:23:31,119 I will resolve it." 333 00:23:31,202 --> 00:23:32,995 Fonseca says, "No, you're not going to resolve shit. 334 00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:36,415 This fucking shit cannot be resolved." 335 00:23:36,499 --> 00:23:40,044 Fonseca slapped Caro Quintero. 336 00:23:40,128 --> 00:23:43,089 Because I was protecting Fonseca, 337 00:23:43,172 --> 00:23:47,218 I had to be watching Caro Quintero's bodyguards 338 00:23:47,301 --> 00:23:50,429 to make sure they were not going to kill us. 339 00:23:50,513 --> 00:23:53,182 Caro's men all put [UNINTELLIGIBLE] rounds into the rifles, 340 00:23:53,266 --> 00:23:54,642 and of course, Fonseca has more men, 341 00:23:54,725 --> 00:23:56,853 and they all point at Caro's men. 342 00:23:56,936 --> 00:24:01,524 And Fonseca then says, [SPEAKING SPANISH]. 343 00:24:01,607 --> 00:24:03,234 "You're doing this, you're gonna pay for this." 344 00:24:03,317 --> 00:24:06,154 LIRA: I escorted Fonseca to his house. 345 00:24:06,237 --> 00:24:07,989 And he arrived very angry. 346 00:24:08,072 --> 00:24:11,951 He grabbed his AK-47 and fired off a whole magazine. 347 00:24:12,034 --> 00:24:15,079 I think it was 60 bullets. 348 00:24:15,163 --> 00:24:17,498 He emptied it all. 349 00:24:17,582 --> 00:24:19,625 And he wouldn't stop drinking. 350 00:24:19,709 --> 00:24:21,627 Drinking, and drinking. 351 00:24:23,462 --> 00:24:25,423 He's going crazy mad. 352 00:24:25,506 --> 00:24:28,426 "We are in deep shit! 353 00:24:28,509 --> 00:24:31,804 We are all gonna pay for Caro's fucking mistake." 354 00:24:33,181 --> 00:24:34,891 From there on out, 355 00:24:34,974 --> 00:24:38,227 Ernesto Fonseca was fucked. 356 00:24:42,648 --> 00:24:47,111 That night they went to bury the bodies. 357 00:24:47,195 --> 00:24:48,279 INTERVIEWER: Who buried the bodies? 358 00:24:48,362 --> 00:24:49,864 "Los Dormidos." 359 00:24:49,947 --> 00:24:52,700 Because they were in charge of burials. 360 00:24:52,783 --> 00:24:55,620 Of killing people and burying them there. 361 00:24:55,703 --> 00:24:58,206 At La Primavera forest, 362 00:24:58,289 --> 00:24:59,999 that was basically their graveyard. 363 00:25:00,082 --> 00:25:02,126 Those lands belonged to Ruben Zuno Arce. 364 00:25:04,337 --> 00:25:08,132 All the La Primavera lands, those were Zuno's lands. 365 00:25:08,216 --> 00:25:11,010 Same as the house at Lope de Vega. 366 00:25:14,347 --> 00:25:17,141 BERRELLEZ: And they have Zavala, Kiki's pilot, the informant, 367 00:25:17,225 --> 00:25:18,976 and he's alive. 368 00:25:19,060 --> 00:25:20,895 And the pilot was thrown in the same hole with Kiki 369 00:25:20,978 --> 00:25:23,773 and he was buried alive. 370 00:25:31,030 --> 00:25:34,116 The U.S. government is mounting an unprecedented effort this weekend 371 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,078 to find a kidnapped American narcotics agent and his captors. 372 00:25:38,579 --> 00:25:41,123 JORDAN: Every office was working 24/7. 373 00:25:41,207 --> 00:25:43,459 Kiki was the number one priority. 374 00:25:44,752 --> 00:25:46,796 We have to send a clear message 375 00:25:46,879 --> 00:25:49,340 to all parties concerned: traffickers, law enforcement, 376 00:25:49,423 --> 00:25:52,343 businessmen alike that we want something done about it, 377 00:25:52,426 --> 00:25:53,594 we want our agent back. 378 00:25:56,472 --> 00:25:58,641 NARRATOR: When U.S. authorities ordered the crackdown, 379 00:25:58,724 --> 00:26:01,060 they knew chances were slim they'd find any trace 380 00:26:01,143 --> 00:26:03,896 of kidnapped Agent Enrique Camarena. 381 00:26:03,980 --> 00:26:07,316 MEDRANO: We told the Mexican government, "give us our guy back." 382 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,360 They took their time, they obstructed. 383 00:26:09,443 --> 00:26:11,529 But what got the job done, 384 00:26:11,612 --> 00:26:13,030 and this was unprecedented 385 00:26:13,114 --> 00:26:15,491 and never to be repeated to this day, 386 00:26:15,574 --> 00:26:18,577 the Mexican border was shut down. 387 00:26:21,372 --> 00:26:25,251 And as that pressure grew, the Mexican government 388 00:26:25,334 --> 00:26:28,504 and the drug dealers had to scramble. 389 00:26:28,587 --> 00:26:30,840 What were they gonna say, what were they gonna do, 390 00:26:30,923 --> 00:26:32,466 who were they gonna turn over? 391 00:26:45,313 --> 00:26:48,316 REPORTER: The man being hunted is Rafael Caro Quintero, 392 00:26:48,399 --> 00:26:49,984 a major cocaine trafficker. 393 00:26:50,067 --> 00:26:53,112 This is the man in charge of finding Caro Quintero, 394 00:26:53,195 --> 00:26:55,323 Commander Armando Pavon, 395 00:26:55,406 --> 00:26:58,117 the head of a Mexican federal task force. 396 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,662 Pavon Reyes was a Mexican federal judicial police agent. 397 00:27:01,746 --> 00:27:03,998 He was sent from Mexico City 398 00:27:04,081 --> 00:27:08,627 to be the supervisor/comandante of the group 399 00:27:08,711 --> 00:27:10,254 that was sent up to help us look for Kiki. 400 00:27:34,987 --> 00:27:39,617 We escorted Caro Quintero to the airport. 401 00:27:42,453 --> 00:27:43,704 When we arrived at the airport, 402 00:27:43,788 --> 00:27:46,540 there was a group of DEA agents 403 00:27:46,624 --> 00:27:48,626 and a group of the DFS. 404 00:27:48,709 --> 00:27:50,628 Everybody's got, pointing guns at each other, 405 00:27:50,711 --> 00:27:52,088 the DEA agents are there, 406 00:27:52,171 --> 00:27:54,715 and the comandante that's working with him, 407 00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:57,176 Armando Pavon Reyes was with the DEA agents. 408 00:27:57,259 --> 00:28:00,596 He talks to Caro Quintero, he hugs him, 409 00:28:00,679 --> 00:28:03,057 and then lets him go. 410 00:28:04,892 --> 00:28:07,645 And Caro Quintero gets on the plane, 411 00:28:07,728 --> 00:28:09,980 and right before the plane takes off, 412 00:28:10,064 --> 00:28:12,024 he gets a bottle of champagne, and he tells them, [SPEAKS SPANISH] 413 00:28:12,108 --> 00:28:17,279 "My children, next time, bring better weapons, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha." 414 00:28:17,363 --> 00:28:19,448 And the plane takes off. 415 00:28:21,867 --> 00:28:24,286 The agents ask Pavon Reyes, the comandante who hugged Caro Quintero, 416 00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:25,871 they said, "Why did you hug him and let him go?" 417 00:28:25,955 --> 00:28:27,665 And he says, "That wasn't Caro Quintero, 418 00:28:27,748 --> 00:28:29,291 "you guys don't even know who Caro Quintero is. 419 00:28:29,375 --> 00:28:31,877 "That was a DFS comandante friend of mine. 420 00:28:31,961 --> 00:28:35,506 And all those guys that were there protecting him, they're all DFS." 421 00:28:37,675 --> 00:28:39,885 LOPEZ: Caro got on the plane and 422 00:28:39,969 --> 00:28:43,722 gave an envelope to Pavon Reyes. 423 00:28:43,806 --> 00:28:46,976 Supposedly it contained 60 million pesos. 424 00:28:47,059 --> 00:28:49,603 But we didn't see the amount. We just saw the envelope. 425 00:29:04,785 --> 00:29:07,037 They dug up the bodies, 426 00:29:07,121 --> 00:29:09,999 because the fight was now on their doorstep. 427 00:29:10,082 --> 00:29:13,043 They decided to take the bodies out of Jalisco, 428 00:29:13,127 --> 00:29:16,130 to move the problem to another state. 429 00:29:16,213 --> 00:29:19,049 They decided to move them to Michoacan. 430 00:29:22,219 --> 00:29:25,931 When we arrived at La Primavera forest, 431 00:29:26,015 --> 00:29:27,391 El Chapo and "Los Dormidos" 432 00:29:27,475 --> 00:29:30,144 came out with the bodies in bags. 433 00:29:30,227 --> 00:29:33,772 They threw the bodies in the truck. 434 00:29:33,856 --> 00:29:36,192 And we drove to Michoacan. 435 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,209 When we arrived, Pavon Reyes was there. 436 00:29:53,292 --> 00:29:55,419 He assigned one of his agents 437 00:29:55,503 --> 00:29:58,881 to show us where to dump the bodies. 438 00:30:01,217 --> 00:30:04,803 Outside of town there was a ditch, 439 00:30:04,887 --> 00:30:06,889 he said, "Throw them here." 440 00:30:06,972 --> 00:30:09,058 They grabbed the bags, 441 00:30:09,141 --> 00:30:10,476 out of the van 442 00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:11,852 and threw the bodies in a ditch, 443 00:30:11,936 --> 00:30:13,896 and covered them with branches. 444 00:32:05,215 --> 00:32:07,384 MIKA: The children didn't have the privacy. 445 00:32:10,095 --> 00:32:13,390 I remember Danny coming home one day 446 00:32:13,474 --> 00:32:14,808 with a TIME Magazine and asking me, 447 00:32:14,892 --> 00:32:17,728 "Mom is this true?" 448 00:32:21,148 --> 00:32:24,234 I had to tell him... 449 00:32:24,318 --> 00:32:27,029 that he had been tortured. 450 00:32:28,447 --> 00:32:31,116 He was six years old. 451 00:32:48,759 --> 00:32:51,387 LOPEZ: After all that had happened, 452 00:32:51,470 --> 00:32:53,347 Fonseca was going from one place to another. 453 00:32:56,350 --> 00:32:58,811 LIRA: One day Fonseca was driving, 454 00:32:58,894 --> 00:33:01,480 Samuel in the front, me in the back seat. 455 00:33:01,563 --> 00:33:05,401 And Fonseca told Samuel Ramirez, 456 00:33:05,484 --> 00:33:06,902 "This has gone to hell, 457 00:33:06,985 --> 00:33:08,445 the politicians have abandoned us." 458 00:33:08,529 --> 00:33:09,738 That's what he said. 459 00:33:11,115 --> 00:33:14,618 So we changed houses every night. 460 00:33:14,702 --> 00:33:17,204 We would arrive at six o'clock in the afternoon, 461 00:33:17,287 --> 00:33:20,457 and by midnight, we were already in another house. 462 00:33:20,541 --> 00:33:22,876 By four in the morning, we were in another one. 463 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,212 We never knew where we were going next. 464 00:33:28,507 --> 00:33:30,759 GODOY: It was a dark night. 465 00:33:30,843 --> 00:33:34,972 You could feel the devil's presence. 466 00:33:35,055 --> 00:33:37,975 A storm with thunder, lightning. 467 00:33:38,058 --> 00:33:40,978 The fucking horse from the devil, neighing. 468 00:33:42,438 --> 00:33:44,606 LIRA: The lights went out, 469 00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:47,651 so I told Fonseca, "I'm going to buy a fuse. 470 00:33:47,735 --> 00:33:50,612 And I'm going to take the opportunity to go to roll call." 471 00:33:50,696 --> 00:33:52,448 "Ah, it's okay, you can go," Fonseca said. 472 00:33:52,531 --> 00:33:55,743 That's when I went to the precinct and stayed there. 473 00:33:55,826 --> 00:33:58,787 But the truth was, when I heard 474 00:33:58,871 --> 00:34:00,372 that the politicians... 475 00:34:00,456 --> 00:34:01,832 had abandoned him, 476 00:34:01,915 --> 00:34:06,754 I knew the whole thing was fucked. 477 00:34:08,088 --> 00:34:09,631 I was carrying my AK-47, 478 00:34:09,715 --> 00:34:11,759 a 9-millimeter and two grenades. 479 00:34:11,842 --> 00:34:14,094 I wasn't going to let them catch me. 480 00:34:15,554 --> 00:34:17,347 That was the moment I abandoned everything, 481 00:34:17,431 --> 00:34:19,725 and from then on, always running. 482 00:34:32,279 --> 00:34:33,864 REPORTER: The man said to be at the center 483 00:34:33,947 --> 00:34:35,866 of much of the illicit drug traffic in Mexico 484 00:34:35,949 --> 00:34:37,618 was captured today. 485 00:34:37,701 --> 00:34:40,954 Rafael Caro Quintero was arrested in Costa Rica. 486 00:34:41,038 --> 00:34:43,290 He's considered the prime suspect 487 00:34:43,373 --> 00:34:46,418 in the kidnap and murder of American drug agent Enrique Camarena. 488 00:34:48,462 --> 00:34:51,173 In a Mexican prison, at a news conference, 489 00:34:51,256 --> 00:34:54,092 he laughs and jokes with local reporters. 490 00:34:54,176 --> 00:34:56,136 REPORTER: Why did you want to visit Costa Rica? 491 00:34:56,220 --> 00:34:57,429 I was told it's a quiet country, 492 00:34:57,513 --> 00:35:01,433 but as far as I've seen, it's not. 493 00:35:01,517 --> 00:35:04,603 Hey, Rafa, do you consider yourself a bad guy? 494 00:35:04,686 --> 00:35:06,688 - No. No. - Why? 495 00:35:06,772 --> 00:35:11,235 If there's anything I have, it's love for everybody. 496 00:35:11,318 --> 00:35:13,529 - You've never hurt anyone? - Of course not. 497 00:35:13,612 --> 00:35:14,988 And I don't plan on it either. 498 00:35:15,072 --> 00:35:17,741 Rafael, did you have anything to do 499 00:35:17,825 --> 00:35:19,952 with the death of Enrique Camarena? 500 00:35:20,035 --> 00:35:23,872 Negative. I never saw or met him. 501 00:35:23,956 --> 00:35:27,334 - Zavala, the pilot, neither? - No. Nobody. 502 00:35:27,417 --> 00:35:30,754 I have nothing to do with... 503 00:35:30,838 --> 00:35:32,714 What was the name of the murdered guy? 504 00:35:32,798 --> 00:35:35,175 - Enrique Camarena. - It has nothing to do with me. 505 00:35:35,259 --> 00:35:37,052 Or Mr. Ernesto Fonseca either. 506 00:35:37,135 --> 00:35:39,137 Did you know there were DEA agents working in Mexico? 507 00:35:39,221 --> 00:35:41,181 No, I never knew that. 508 00:35:41,265 --> 00:35:45,227 They knew about your houses and your ranches. 509 00:35:45,310 --> 00:35:47,145 Maybe so. 510 00:35:47,229 --> 00:35:50,023 Maybe Camarena went there for a stroll sometime before. 511 00:35:50,107 --> 00:35:52,568 Do you think the gringos are meddlesome? 512 00:35:52,651 --> 00:35:54,695 No, because I don't know them. 513 00:35:54,778 --> 00:35:57,155 They want you to be extradited to the United States. 514 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,825 What else do they want? 515 00:35:59,908 --> 00:36:01,743 I'd like many things too, but you can't have it all. 516 00:36:01,827 --> 00:36:03,495 I have no pending business with the United States. 517 00:36:03,579 --> 00:36:04,580 So there's no reason to extradite you? 518 00:36:04,663 --> 00:36:06,665 None. That's negative. 519 00:36:09,167 --> 00:36:12,504 Rafael, what's your real relationship with Fonseca? 520 00:36:12,588 --> 00:36:14,089 How did you meet him? 521 00:36:14,172 --> 00:36:17,843 I've known him since I was born. 522 00:36:23,557 --> 00:36:26,518 LOPEZ: When they told Ernesto Fonseca 523 00:36:26,602 --> 00:36:29,354 that Caro was caught, 524 00:36:29,438 --> 00:36:32,149 then he felt more desperate. 525 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:34,651 He was thinking about escaping 526 00:36:34,735 --> 00:36:37,195 to El Salvador or Guatemala. 527 00:36:37,279 --> 00:36:39,072 But finally one morning, 528 00:36:39,156 --> 00:36:42,075 he decided we should hide in Puerto Vallarta. 529 00:36:53,629 --> 00:36:57,925 We were guarding Ernesto Fonseca Carrillo... 530 00:36:59,593 --> 00:37:04,640 and we had seen in the news 531 00:37:04,723 --> 00:37:08,352 that Rafael Caro Quintero had been caught 532 00:37:08,435 --> 00:37:09,603 in Costa Rica. 533 00:37:09,686 --> 00:37:13,023 Then, Ernesto Fonseca realized 534 00:37:13,106 --> 00:37:15,359 he was going down, too. 535 00:37:15,442 --> 00:37:20,280 He would call the DFS, but they all ignored him. 536 00:37:20,364 --> 00:37:22,741 Nobody answered him. 537 00:37:28,622 --> 00:37:31,500 GODOY: Fonseca was very drunk. 538 00:37:31,583 --> 00:37:35,295 He was alone in his bedroom, 539 00:37:35,379 --> 00:37:38,757 listening to one tape over and over, 540 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,592 a cassette tape. 541 00:37:43,178 --> 00:37:46,098 He listened to the tape again and again. 542 00:37:46,181 --> 00:37:48,558 On it I heard strange grunts. 543 00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:53,105 "Enough. Leave me. 544 00:37:53,188 --> 00:37:55,148 Don't torture me anymore." 545 00:37:55,232 --> 00:37:56,441 "Hey" (with Cuban accent). 546 00:37:56,525 --> 00:37:59,027 And I heard another voice, 547 00:37:59,111 --> 00:38:01,738 Caribbean, like Cuban. 548 00:38:01,822 --> 00:38:05,325 "Hey, brother, you have to tell us what you did. 549 00:38:05,409 --> 00:38:07,619 What did you report to Washington?" 550 00:38:07,703 --> 00:38:09,371 "Nothing, I didn't report anything. 551 00:38:09,454 --> 00:38:11,498 "I didn't get any money. 552 00:38:11,581 --> 00:38:14,418 Let me go, please. Don't torture me anymore." 553 00:38:14,501 --> 00:38:18,422 "What the fuck, you have to tell us, bastard! 554 00:38:18,505 --> 00:38:20,507 Who are you reporting to in Washington?" 555 00:38:21,883 --> 00:38:23,260 "To no one. 556 00:38:23,343 --> 00:38:26,304 "I didn't report to nobody. 557 00:38:26,388 --> 00:38:28,473 No one." 558 00:38:28,557 --> 00:38:33,270 LOPEZ: When Fonseca was listening to the tape in his bedroom, 559 00:38:33,353 --> 00:38:37,190 I heard the voice of the Governor of Jalisco, 560 00:38:37,274 --> 00:38:40,360 also the voice of a federal comandante. 561 00:38:40,444 --> 00:38:42,654 You could hear those voices. 562 00:38:42,738 --> 00:38:45,282 INTERVIEWER: But why was he listening to the recording? 563 00:38:46,616 --> 00:38:48,285 GODOY: He wouldn't stop listening to it 564 00:38:48,368 --> 00:38:50,287 because Don Ernesto knew 565 00:38:50,370 --> 00:38:53,999 he was doomed, that they would follow us 566 00:38:54,082 --> 00:38:55,709 to the end of the earth. 567 00:39:12,392 --> 00:39:14,895 The sun was setting... 568 00:39:14,978 --> 00:39:18,607 the night was approaching... 569 00:39:18,690 --> 00:39:20,734 They surrounded us, 570 00:39:20,817 --> 00:39:22,569 lots of manpower. 571 00:39:22,652 --> 00:39:25,113 I was told, "Surrender your badge." 572 00:39:25,197 --> 00:39:28,450 I said, "No fucking way, you come and get me." 573 00:39:28,533 --> 00:39:31,078 "Come out with your hands up!" 574 00:39:31,161 --> 00:39:33,914 yelled the rural cop in charge of the raid. 575 00:39:33,997 --> 00:39:37,459 And then the shooting began. 576 00:39:37,542 --> 00:39:40,670 Against the soldiers, and the rural cops. 577 00:39:40,754 --> 00:39:43,215 We were being careful to not hit our partners, 578 00:39:43,298 --> 00:39:46,009 who they were using as human shields. 579 00:39:46,093 --> 00:39:49,638 Ernesto Fonseca was coming down the stairs, 580 00:39:49,721 --> 00:39:51,973 and I told him, "Hey boss, 581 00:39:52,057 --> 00:39:54,309 the armored cars are over there, let's use them. 582 00:39:54,392 --> 00:39:56,186 Let's go!" 583 00:39:56,269 --> 00:39:59,523 "No, no, wait. I'll fix this right now," Fonseca said. 584 00:39:59,606 --> 00:40:02,526 And Fonseca said, "Don't shoot. 585 00:40:02,609 --> 00:40:04,736 "Don't shoot, everything's arranged. 586 00:40:04,820 --> 00:40:05,862 We'll surrender." 587 00:40:05,946 --> 00:40:08,240 "What are you saying, sir? 588 00:40:08,323 --> 00:40:10,826 Are we turning ourselves in?" 589 00:40:10,909 --> 00:40:12,911 "Yes, everything's arranged." 590 00:40:16,957 --> 00:40:20,377 I was walking behind Fonseca, and I stopped abruptly, 591 00:40:20,460 --> 00:40:22,337 because Samuel yanked me back. 592 00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:24,840 That's what saved me. 593 00:40:29,386 --> 00:40:30,971 And I told Godoy, "Let's fucking run, Godoy." 594 00:40:31,054 --> 00:40:32,848 "No, wait, let's see what happens." 595 00:40:32,931 --> 00:40:34,933 "Dude, they're gonna cuff your ass. 596 00:40:35,016 --> 00:40:37,102 Let's get the hell out of here." 597 00:40:37,185 --> 00:40:38,854 "No, no," he said. 598 00:40:38,937 --> 00:40:42,440 And I said, "Well, I'm out of here." 599 00:40:45,110 --> 00:40:50,031 Then, Don Ernesto Fonseca and I were handcuffed. 600 00:40:50,115 --> 00:40:53,410 Handcuffed to each other. 601 00:40:53,493 --> 00:40:58,373 I had my AR-15 and my .45. 602 00:40:58,456 --> 00:41:00,125 If they followed me, 603 00:41:00,208 --> 00:41:03,128 I was ready to shoot the fuck out of them. 604 00:41:03,211 --> 00:41:05,463 And I escaped to the beach. 605 00:41:05,547 --> 00:41:08,216 The beach was right in front of me. 606 00:41:12,053 --> 00:41:15,307 It was already beginning to get dark. 607 00:41:16,433 --> 00:41:19,686 When I got to the beach, 608 00:41:19,769 --> 00:41:23,481 I dug a hole in the sand and hid the weapons. 609 00:41:24,858 --> 00:41:27,194 I can't tell you any more because 610 00:41:27,277 --> 00:41:30,947 I can't remember what happened that night, 611 00:41:31,031 --> 00:41:33,033 until the sun woke me up. 612 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,955 REPORTER: Mexican police have arrested the man 613 00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:41,833 they describe as the Godfather of Mexican drug smugglers, 614 00:41:41,917 --> 00:41:46,213 Ernesto Fonseca Carrillo, and his associates. 615 00:41:46,296 --> 00:41:48,590 Wearing borrowed sunglasses and a smile, 616 00:41:48,673 --> 00:41:51,760 crime boss Ernesto Fonseca was arraigned today in Mexican federal court. 617 00:41:51,843 --> 00:41:54,471 He is charged with kidnapping and murder in connection with 618 00:41:54,554 --> 00:41:56,848 the killing of U.S. Drug Agent Enrique Camarena. 619 00:41:56,932 --> 00:41:59,643 Also charged is one of his men, Samuel Ramirez. 620 00:41:59,726 --> 00:42:03,688 Fonseca and his gang were picked up Monday in Puerto Vallarta 621 00:42:03,772 --> 00:42:06,858 after a gun battle with Mexican authorities. 622 00:42:15,575 --> 00:42:18,119 GODOY: We were just fucking soldiers, 623 00:42:18,203 --> 00:42:20,288 pure slag, pure police waste, 624 00:42:20,372 --> 00:42:22,999 we were simply being used. 625 00:42:23,083 --> 00:42:26,419 We were 26 bastards. 626 00:42:58,952 --> 00:43:00,996 He had a Cuban accent. 627 00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:03,832 One time I even asked Samuel, 628 00:43:03,915 --> 00:43:07,002 "Who is this dude who looks Cuban?" 629 00:43:07,085 --> 00:43:08,878 "Well, he's also DFS." 630 00:43:08,962 --> 00:43:10,880 That's what he told me. 631 00:43:10,964 --> 00:43:13,800 LIRA: Max Gomez, yes, Max Gomez. 632 00:43:13,883 --> 00:43:16,177 GODOY: I saw him at some of the safe houses, 633 00:43:16,261 --> 00:43:18,847 taking bags of money, 634 00:43:18,930 --> 00:43:21,266 of narco dollars. 635 00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:23,310 And I kept wondering, what's a Cuban doing 636 00:43:23,393 --> 00:43:26,563 running around with all these Mexicans and stuff? 637 00:43:26,646 --> 00:43:29,566 And I'm being told that he's there interrogating Kiki Camarena. 638 00:43:29,649 --> 00:43:35,322 Who is this... this unknown Max Gomez? 639 00:43:35,405 --> 00:43:37,198 LIRA: Yes, Max Gomez. 640 00:43:37,282 --> 00:43:42,203 He tried to hide under 641 00:43:42,287 --> 00:43:43,955 a pseudonym, 642 00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:46,666 but later on, we learned his real name. 643 00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:49,169 Felix Rodriguez. 644 00:43:49,252 --> 00:43:52,088 Right away, I go to all my people 645 00:43:52,172 --> 00:43:53,673 and I says, "Run this guy all over." 646 00:43:55,842 --> 00:43:57,761 And he lit up like a Christmas tree. 647 00:43:57,844 --> 00:44:01,139 I mean, this guy is all over the place. 648 00:44:01,222 --> 00:44:04,017 This guy is CIA. 648 00:44:05,305 --> 00:45:05,768 OpenSubtitles recommends using Nord VPN from 3.49 USD/month ----> osdb.link/vpn 50070

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