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Happened twice, both times
in exactly the same way.
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Both times I was in Moscow,
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I started feeling really sick
for no reason.
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And within the space of
a few minutes,
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I was completely incapacitated.
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I couldn't breathe,
my heart was racing,
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and within hours all of my major
life organs were shutting down
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one after another.
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I remember both times
very clearly thinking,
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"This is it. This is the end."
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The official diagnosis give to me
by my doctors in Moscow was
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toxic action
by an unidentified substance,
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so translated from medical speak
to normal human language,
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it means poisoning.
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I have no doubt
by the way this was done,
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that this was done by people
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somehow connected with the Russian
domestic security services,
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and I have no doubt absolutely
that this was done as retribution,
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for my political activity
in the Russian opposition.
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There's been a strangely high
mortality rate
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over these past two decades
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among the people who are standing up
against Putin's regime...
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..journalists,
human rights activists,
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political opposition figures.
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A mortality rate that I don't think
can be explained
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by any normal statistical model.
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We're all products of our experience
we're all products of our background
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we're all products of our education.
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Vladimir Putin's background
is the Soviet KGB...
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..one of the most repressive
organisations
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in the history of humanity.
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He's doing what he was taught to do.
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Manipulate, lie, recruit, repress.
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He seems to be quite good at his job.
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Putin was very small,
but he was a fierce fighter.
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There is a vengeful side
to Putin.
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He is a man who never forgets
a slight.
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I'm quite clear on
what I think drives him -
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to make Russia great again.
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He's a convinced patriotic Russian.
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You can't make a president
in a few months, just like...
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..a click of your hand.
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It's just impossible.
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This is the code of the spy.
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Nothing is forgotten
and nothing is forgiven.
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Good evening.
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Could this be another example
of a Russian being poisoned
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on UK soil?
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The man in hospital tonight,
Sergei Skripal,
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is in a critical condition.
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Counter-terrorism officers have
take charge of the investigation
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into the suspected poisoning
of a former Russian agent
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in Salisbury on Sunday.
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Sergei Skripal had been convicted
in Russia 12 years ago
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of passing secrets to MI6.
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President Putin's spokesman
told me earlier,
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"We have no information about
what happened. We cannot comment."
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For many people,
Soviet childhoods are pretty grim.
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Most people lived in
appalling conditions.
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Behind the grandiose architecture,
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these dark alleyways and dark
courtyards and street gangs,
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and it's... it's pretty filthy.
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It's not a very nice place
to be a small boy.
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He was a schoolyard thug,
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and part of a gang.
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He was very small,
but he was a fierce fighter.
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He was saved from going into
the crime life by sports.
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His coach of judo pulled him out
of this street life,
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and he became a very avid fighter.
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The KGB were watching
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who was doing this kind of sports
in the Soviet Union.
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Putin didn't make any secret
out of the fact
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that he wanted to work
for the secret services, with KGB.
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He dreamt to become
a kind of Stierlitz,
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which is the Russian version
of James Bond.
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Asking, you know, "Do you
remember the character Stierlitz?"
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it's like asking anybody
in this country,
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"Do you remember the character Bond?"
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You know, yes, you remember
the character Bond.
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The theme of Stierlitz
in Seventeen Moments Of Spring,
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the idea of, sort of,
a glorious Soviet spy,
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I think is very important,
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and this was an extremely important
film to Putin.
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He was 21 years old when Seventeen
Moments of Spring was released,
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and two years later,
he joined the service.
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He joined the KGB.
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Now, I can easily talk about that,
you know.
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For 20 years,
I was intelligence officer.
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My generation of... of kids
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were brought up in the sentiments
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of very heroic novels
about World War II.
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In the heroic of small kids,
who were fighting fascism.
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And the heroism of
our intelligence officers.
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For an agent,
it was very important,
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if he wanted to have a good job,
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to be married, happily married,
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'cause otherwise,
we can't trust you fully.
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You could do your own business
with other woman there.
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We would dislike this.
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Putin's wife, Lyudmila, when
he dated her for the first time,
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he never told her
that he working for the KGB.
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He was telling her
that he worked for the police.
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And he examined her character.
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He sent his friends
and they wanted to date her as well,
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and she said, "No,
I have already boyfriend.
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"I have Vladimir."
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And that was enough for him
to be proud of her
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and to understand
that she really likes him.
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He ends up in Eastern Germany,
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and he's not even in the capital,
Berlin.
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He's sent to Dresden,
a provincial backwater.
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And I think if you've been brought up
in Leningrad
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and then you've trained a bit
for the KGB in Moscow,
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going to Dresden,
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quite the opposite from what
you'd hope from your foreign posting,
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to taste the forbidden fruits
of the West.
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And I think it probably must've been
a bit of a let-down.
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You get a hint of it.
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His wife talks about
how they were homesick
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and longed for the Soviet Union.
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So, it feels as though
they had a comfortable life,
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but not a particularly exciting one.
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He drank a lot of beer
and there were a lot of pictures
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at parties, in restaurants,
or among friends.
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You know, if you go there on a very
secret mission and you're a top spy,
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no picture exists of you,
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not in books, nor in the collections
of your friends
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or in family albums.
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So, I shouldn't portray him
more than he was.
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And then his world collapsed.
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His dreams collapsed.
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East Germany has tonight
opened its borders to the West.
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28 years after the Berlin Wall
was built,
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its people are once more free
to travel anywhere.
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I was Moscow correspondent
at the time,
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and I wouldn't have said at the end
of 1989, the beginning of 1990,
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that I would expect
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that within two years, the whole
Soviet Union would collapse.
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So, I don't suppose he did either.
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I think it must've been a huge shock.
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He didn't welcome these changes.
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He knew that he had to...
return back from the GDR,
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a country which didn't exist anymore
'cause it was reunited as Germany.
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He had a wife
and two small daughters.
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He had a car, which he took to drive
back from Dresden to St Petersburg.
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He didn't know what kind of career
he will have in the new Russia,
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what will happen to him,
to his family, to the country.
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Coming back to '90s
in St Petersburg...
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..it was gloomy city.
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Despite the fact that there
were some new expectations...
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..it was a real trauma
to Soviet society.
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They were losing their sense
of belonging to great country,
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to great history.
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They were losing
the means for survival.
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When the institutions
lost the ability to function,
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of course criminality is rising.
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They had contract killings
every single day.
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They had bombings
nearly every single day.
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There's people being killed
left and right.
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I mean, it's, like, pretty much
comparable to Chicago in the 1930s.
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And probably Chicago was not
as violent as Russia.
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Just now President Putin denied
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having anything to do with
the election interference in 2016.
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Every US intelligence agency
has concluded that Russia did.
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Who do you believe?
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People came to me,
they said they think it's Russia.
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I have President Putin.
He just said it's not Russia.
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I will say this - I don't see
any reason why it would be.
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I have great confidence
in my intelligence people
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but I will tell you that
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President Putin was extremely strong
and powerful in his denial today.
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Thank you.
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Thank you very much.
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Well, Vladimir Putin
came into my life
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through a problem that I had
with my investment at the time.
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Through my activities as a supplier
for law enforcement equipment,
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I ended up in Russia.
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One of the deputy police chiefs
thought it was a good idea
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to try to take over my investments.
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So, I want to the US consulate
and someone there said,
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you know, "The guy you should...
you should confront with this problem
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"is really Vladimir Putin."
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Putin is a guy that became sidekick
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to the first democratically elected
mayor of St Petersburg,
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Anatoly Sobchak.
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And so I went to see him.
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Vladimir Putin was a very dry,
obviously very humourless man
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of rather small stature.
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You could see it was very important
to give you a good handshake,
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to look you straight into the eyes.
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He basically says,
"No, I'm not gonna get involved.
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"I'm busy enough protecting my mayor.
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"I don't need
an additional headache."
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That's exactly what he said.
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I didn't understand what...
what that meant
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until I went out and I learned
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that Mayor Sobchak was completely
corrupt, corrupt to the bone,
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and one of Putin's main functions was
to keep him out of trouble.
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There were no real rules,
there were no real laws.
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Of course, people bribed in order
to get certain privileges.
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I was told by people
who were close to Sobchak,
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"You have to pay $100,000
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"in order to have a soup with him."
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But they didn't manage to keep
the city running as it should be.
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The city was collapsing.
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People were searching for food.
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Everything was dark.
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Sobchak needs someone
who is, sort of the interface
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between what they call
the organs of state,
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that is the KGB, the police,
anybody of executive power
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that he could potentially get
into a conflict with.
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For a simpler term, I would call
Putin a fixer in the day.
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He was always in the shadows.
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You know, if there were pictures
being taken
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of Sobchak doing something,
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even if Putin was there,
he wasn't gonna be in the picture,
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or if he was, he was gonna be off
in the corner.
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Sobchak trusted him,
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because Putin proved, first of all,
to be very loyal.
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Loyal to Sobchak.
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He's a bulldog.
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He grabs on and he gets something.
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1992, there is
a documentary film director
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who wants to make
a series of short films
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to introduce those people working
in the St Petersburg administration
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to the public, the whole team.
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And for the film,
he decides to set the scene.
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And Putin, sitting behind the wheel
of the Soviet Volga he's driving,
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and in the background,
there is music,
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there is a theme tune from
Seventeen Moments of Spring playing.
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Putin is not an accidental man.
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The idea to bring this tune
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and bring out this association
with Stierlitz
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was... was clearly very important.
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Power, power,
more and more influence
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in St Petersburg connections,
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with Western politicians.
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He made himself indispensable
for Sobchak.
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Until 1996...
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..when Sobchak lost
the governors elections.
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He lost everything. He had no money.
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He was again in a situation
where he had nothing.
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The lesson
from Sobchak's loss was that
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you cannot leave
the democratic process to elections
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and you cannot leave the elections
to ordinary people,
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in the sense that someone
could vote you out of office.
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I would like to make a statement
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about the death of
Alexander Litvinenko.
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Mr Litvinenko suffered
a cardiac arrest
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caused by his ingesting polonium 210
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while drinking tea at the Pine Bar
of the Millennium Hotel.
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Mr Litvinenko was
deliberately poisoned
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by Andrey Lugovoy and Dmitry Kovtun
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acting on behalf of others.
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There is a strong probability
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that they were acting
under the direction
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of the Russian domestic
security service,
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the Federal Security Service,
or FSB,
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and the inquiry has found
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that the FSB operation
to kill Mr Litvinenko
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was probably approved
by President Putin.
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There's a very famous word
in Russia, 'poryadok',
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which means 'order'.
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If you ask Russians
what they want out of their leaders,
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what they want is poryadok.
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What they want is order.
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At that time,
the president was Yeltsin,
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who was visibly very unhealthy,
kept on humiliating himself.
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For the ordinary Russian,
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who thinks of himself as a citizen
of a proud country,
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this was just intolerable.
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A lot of the people
who were around Yeltsin at the time
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were looking for someone
who could take a grip.
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Russia had spent ten years
sliding into anarchy
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with hyperinflation,
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trying to cope with the loss
of all the Soviet republics.
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It had defaulted on its debts.
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It had, sort of, lost its way.
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And society seemed to be
out of control.
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Putin moved to Moscow
from St Petersburg in 1996...
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..as a...
..low-mid-level bureaucrat,
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whom they found a position
inside the Kremlin apparatus.
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Very quickly he starts growing.
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In a year, year and something,
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he becomes the head of Russian FSB,
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the Russian special forces.
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This is an incredible career.
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When Putin was installed
as director of the FSB in 1998...
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..corruption had become
so pervasive,
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FSB assets were just simply
there for hire
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for any gangster or businessman
who wanted to use them.
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When Putin came in,
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everybody expected that he would
start cleaning the stables...
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..ridding the FSB of corruption.
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So, that's how it all started.
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I've never met Putin in my life,
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but he's the subject of my obsession
in a way,
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since he ordered the killing
of my friend Litvinenko.
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Sascha Litvinenko's conflict
with Putin was not political.
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It was a conflict of...
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..an honest cop with
corrupt superiors, essentially.
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They met,
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and Sascha Litvinenko
started explaining to Putin
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that this one should be removed
and that one should be removed
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and that is a crook and so on,
and Putin listened to him.
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Then ordered him out of the FSB,
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because he was making
too much trouble.
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That's how Sascha Litvinenko's
conflict with Putin started.
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The stakes were very high.
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Yeltsin could be prosecuted.
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The danger comes in the figure
of the prosecutor general,
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Skuratov.
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Skuratov already started
investigation
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in Yeltsin's financial dealings,
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with huge political support of
Russian parliament behind him.
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Behind Yeltsin is Putin
as the head of FSB
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and... and... and... and...
and a willingness to... to fight.
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So, what they do?
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They expose this prosecutor general
on television.
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They have this footage of him
having sex with some ladies
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in some apartment in Moscow,
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and they air this footage
on television.
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After that...
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..Prosecutor General Skuratov
was dismissed.
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It was the first time,
probably, when
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we saw that you can achieve...
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..a very important political outcome
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through some kind of
special operation
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by exposing your opponent
with kompromat.
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Yeltsin won this fight.
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And of course we know
Vladimir Putin played huge role
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in this special operation.
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When Yeltsin appointed Putin as
active prime minister in August '99,
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he immediately said,
"This is my successor.
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"He will be Russia's president."
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And that was impossible to believe.
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That was just simply impossible
to... to sort of grasp,
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because we just didn't know
his face.
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Even those who supported Yeltsin
were thinking that,
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"Hey, this is crazy.
He can't make it.
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"You can't make a president
in a few months,
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"just like a click of your hand.
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"It's just impossible."
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He would definitely lose,
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and everything that had been
achieved by then
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would be destroyed.
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I have to admit, I don't remember
my first feeling of,
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"What is Putin, who is Putin?"
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You remember this famous question,
"Who is Mr Putin?"
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We didn't know who he was.
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But what definitely changed
everything was...
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..the war.
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Rescue workers are searching
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through the remains of
a block of flats
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destroyed by a huge bomb blast
early today.
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There were reports that
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an apartment building in Moscow
had been blown up.
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About 100 people were killed
and many, many more were injured.
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Then several days later,
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another apartment building
was blown up in Moscow.
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This is number six
Kashirskoye Avenue,
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or what's left of it,
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home until today to 120 people.
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The eight-storey building
collapsed in on itself,
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pulverising all who lived inside.
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It was clear that what
we were dealing with was
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a series of terrorist acts.
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This is when fear came to Moscow.
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This was something very new
feeling in the air.
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The authorities said that this was
the work of Chechen terrorists.
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No proof.
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But the aggressivity
of the population was such
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after so many years of hardship
under Yeltsin...
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..and the anger against the Chechens
was so great
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after an unsuccessful war
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that was fought in the middle
of the 1990s,
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in which Russia suffered
serious defeats,
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that no-one waited for evidence.
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Ryazan is a city south-east
of Moscow, about 100 miles.
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One night, a resident of a building
saw a car pull up to the building,
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and he witnessed people going down
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and taking sacks of some mysterious
substance into the basement.
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He called the police, they came,
they went down into the basement
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and they bolted back up
the stairs and they said,
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"There's a bomb in the basement."
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Shortly afterwards, those who were
responsible for placing the bomb
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were arrested.
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But they produced
FSB identification.
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And an order came from Moscow
saying to release them.
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Short time later,
the head of the FSB
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got on national television
and said that
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the events in Ryazan were not
an attempted terrorist attack.
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For two days,
they had been saying that
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this was an attempted
terrorist attack
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and the vigilance of the citizens
of Ryazan had prevented it.
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Now, with the FSB agents arrested,
caught red-handed,
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they changed their story
and said that
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this was a training exercise.
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What was taking place
was a test of vigilance.
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Well, I personally have no doubt
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that is could not have been
a training exercise.
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It could not have been
a test of vigilance.
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I consider it
as a conspiracy theory.
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I can't take it.
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I can't believe...
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..that Russia's government
or special forces
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were able to orchestrate
a terrorist...
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..terrorist attacks like that.
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If you talk about forensic evidence,
it's an open question.
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Who blew up the houses?
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But there is lots of
circumstantial evidence
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pointing at some group in FSB,
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engaged again of Chechens
to blow up these houses
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to provoke the invasion of Chechnya.
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And two weeks after the explosions,
after these bombings,
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the assault on Chechnya started.
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That's when the real war started.
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There was a demand to restore
Russia's pride...
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..some self-esteem...
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..and to win the war.
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That was the primary demand,
not people's lives.
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He used criminal slang.
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He used the word 'mochit',
which in Russian is...
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It's what Russian gangsters use.
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It means 'turn into liquid',
'liquidate',
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but it's..it's a very crude word.
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Putin's popularity rating soared,
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and he immediately became
the saviour of the country.
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Suddenly, he was the defender
of the homeland.
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Kind of curtain of silence
fell over Russia
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on the issue of
the apartment bombings.
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The phrase "The less you know,
the better you sleep",
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in Russian, if you'd like it...
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It means,
"better not to know too much".
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It's dangerous to know too much.
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