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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,260 --> 00:00:09,920 Happened twice, both times in exactly the same way. 2 00:00:12,780 --> 00:00:14,200 Both times I was in Moscow, 3 00:00:14,260 --> 00:00:16,520 I started feeling really sick for no reason. 4 00:00:17,660 --> 00:00:19,960 And within the space of a few minutes, 5 00:00:20,020 --> 00:00:21,320 I was completely incapacitated. 6 00:00:21,380 --> 00:00:23,400 I couldn't breathe, my heart was racing, 7 00:00:23,460 --> 00:00:25,636 and within hours all of my major life organs were shutting down 8 00:00:25,660 --> 00:00:26,720 one after another. 9 00:00:26,780 --> 00:00:30,120 I remember both times very clearly thinking, 10 00:00:30,180 --> 00:00:31,760 "This is it. This is the end." 11 00:00:41,100 --> 00:00:45,000 The official diagnosis give to me by my doctors in Moscow was 12 00:00:45,060 --> 00:00:48,400 toxic action by an unidentified substance, 13 00:00:48,460 --> 00:00:51,600 so translated from medical speak to normal human language, 14 00:00:51,660 --> 00:00:52,760 it means poisoning. 15 00:01:00,260 --> 00:01:02,720 I have no doubt by the way this was done, 16 00:01:02,780 --> 00:01:03,900 that this was done by people 17 00:01:03,940 --> 00:01:06,156 somehow connected with the Russian domestic security services, 18 00:01:06,180 --> 00:01:09,800 and I have no doubt absolutely that this was done as retribution, 19 00:01:09,860 --> 00:01:11,960 for my political activity in the Russian opposition. 20 00:01:16,060 --> 00:01:19,000 There's been a strangely high mortality rate 21 00:01:19,060 --> 00:01:20,160 over these past two decades 22 00:01:20,220 --> 00:01:23,560 among the people who are standing up against Putin's regime... 23 00:01:26,380 --> 00:01:28,440 ..journalists, human rights activists, 24 00:01:28,500 --> 00:01:29,760 political opposition figures. 25 00:01:30,740 --> 00:01:33,680 A mortality rate that I don't think can be explained 26 00:01:33,740 --> 00:01:35,560 by any normal statistical model. 27 00:01:41,060 --> 00:01:43,716 We're all products of our experience we're all products of our background 28 00:01:43,740 --> 00:01:45,180 we're all products of our education. 29 00:01:46,660 --> 00:01:48,760 Vladimir Putin's background is the Soviet KGB... 30 00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:52,280 ..one of the most repressive organisations 31 00:01:52,340 --> 00:01:53,480 in the history of humanity. 32 00:01:55,060 --> 00:01:57,960 He's doing what he was taught to do. 33 00:02:02,140 --> 00:02:06,280 Manipulate, lie, recruit, repress. 34 00:02:10,780 --> 00:02:13,160 He seems to be quite good at his job. 35 00:02:14,980 --> 00:02:18,040 Putin was very small, but he was a fierce fighter. 36 00:02:18,100 --> 00:02:19,960 There is a vengeful side to Putin. 37 00:02:20,020 --> 00:02:22,040 He is a man who never forgets a slight. 38 00:02:22,100 --> 00:02:24,040 I'm quite clear on what I think drives him - 39 00:02:24,100 --> 00:02:25,720 to make Russia great again. 40 00:02:25,780 --> 00:02:28,800 He's a convinced patriotic Russian. 41 00:02:28,860 --> 00:02:31,280 You can't make a president in a few months, just like... 42 00:02:31,340 --> 00:02:32,836 ..a click of your hand. 43 00:02:32,860 --> 00:02:34,200 It's just impossible. 44 00:02:34,260 --> 00:02:35,920 This is the code of the spy. 45 00:02:35,980 --> 00:02:38,160 Nothing is forgotten and nothing is forgiven. 46 00:02:53,020 --> 00:02:54,240 Good evening. 47 00:02:54,300 --> 00:02:56,540 Could this be another example of a Russian being poisoned 48 00:02:56,580 --> 00:02:57,880 on UK soil? 49 00:02:57,940 --> 00:03:00,840 The man in hospital tonight, Sergei Skripal, 50 00:03:00,900 --> 00:03:02,560 is in a critical condition. 51 00:03:03,420 --> 00:03:06,480 Counter-terrorism officers have take charge of the investigation 52 00:03:06,540 --> 00:03:10,320 into the suspected poisoning of a former Russian agent 53 00:03:10,380 --> 00:03:12,240 in Salisbury on Sunday. 54 00:03:12,300 --> 00:03:16,760 Sergei Skripal had been convicted in Russia 12 years ago 55 00:03:16,820 --> 00:03:19,160 of passing secrets to MI6. 56 00:03:19,220 --> 00:03:21,400 President Putin's spokesman told me earlier, 57 00:03:21,460 --> 00:03:24,920 "We have no information about what happened. We cannot comment." 58 00:04:25,660 --> 00:04:28,240 For many people, Soviet childhoods are pretty grim. 59 00:04:29,300 --> 00:04:33,200 Most people lived in appalling conditions. 60 00:04:33,260 --> 00:04:35,280 Behind the grandiose architecture, 61 00:04:35,340 --> 00:04:39,200 these dark alleyways and dark courtyards and street gangs, 62 00:04:39,260 --> 00:04:41,520 and it's... it's pretty filthy. 63 00:04:41,580 --> 00:04:44,240 It's not a very nice place to be a small boy. 64 00:05:17,900 --> 00:05:20,920 He was a schoolyard thug, 65 00:05:20,980 --> 00:05:24,320 and part of a gang. 66 00:05:24,380 --> 00:05:27,600 He was very small, but he was a fierce fighter. 67 00:05:29,420 --> 00:05:36,120 He was saved from going into the crime life by sports. 68 00:05:36,180 --> 00:05:41,320 His coach of judo pulled him out of this street life, 69 00:05:41,380 --> 00:05:44,720 and he became a very avid fighter. 70 00:05:49,100 --> 00:05:50,960 The KGB were watching 71 00:05:51,020 --> 00:05:54,480 who was doing this kind of sports in the Soviet Union. 72 00:05:54,540 --> 00:05:56,960 Putin didn't make any secret out of the fact 73 00:05:57,020 --> 00:06:01,560 that he wanted to work for the secret services, with KGB. 74 00:06:01,620 --> 00:06:04,360 He dreamt to become a kind of Stierlitz, 75 00:06:04,420 --> 00:06:07,920 which is the Russian version of James Bond. 76 00:06:18,340 --> 00:06:20,900 Asking, you know, "Do you remember the character Stierlitz?" 77 00:06:20,940 --> 00:06:23,560 it's like asking anybody in this country, 78 00:06:23,620 --> 00:06:25,800 "Do you remember the character Bond?" 79 00:06:25,860 --> 00:06:27,700 You know, yes, you remember the character Bond. 80 00:06:29,660 --> 00:06:32,120 The theme of Stierlitz in Seventeen Moments Of Spring, 81 00:06:32,180 --> 00:06:34,400 the idea of, sort of, a glorious Soviet spy, 82 00:06:34,460 --> 00:06:35,840 I think is very important, 83 00:06:35,900 --> 00:06:38,840 and this was an extremely important film to Putin. 84 00:06:41,020 --> 00:06:47,480 He was 21 years old when Seventeen Moments of Spring was released, 85 00:06:47,540 --> 00:06:50,840 and two years later, he joined the service. 86 00:06:52,340 --> 00:06:53,680 He joined the KGB. 87 00:06:55,660 --> 00:06:58,560 Now, I can easily talk about that, you know. 88 00:06:58,620 --> 00:07:02,760 For 20 years, I was intelligence officer. 89 00:07:02,820 --> 00:07:06,680 My generation of... of kids 90 00:07:06,740 --> 00:07:10,040 were brought up in the sentiments 91 00:07:10,100 --> 00:07:14,960 of very heroic novels about World War II. 92 00:07:16,660 --> 00:07:21,400 In the heroic of small kids, who were fighting fascism. 93 00:07:26,100 --> 00:07:30,240 And the heroism of our intelligence officers. 94 00:07:32,260 --> 00:07:34,680 For an agent, it was very important, 95 00:07:34,740 --> 00:07:36,360 if he wanted to have a good job, 96 00:07:36,420 --> 00:07:38,040 to be married, happily married, 97 00:07:38,100 --> 00:07:41,400 'cause otherwise, we can't trust you fully. 98 00:07:41,460 --> 00:07:45,080 You could do your own business with other woman there. 99 00:07:45,140 --> 00:07:46,480 We would dislike this. 100 00:07:49,740 --> 00:07:53,880 Putin's wife, Lyudmila, when he dated her for the first time, 101 00:07:53,940 --> 00:07:57,320 he never told her that he working for the KGB. 102 00:07:57,380 --> 00:07:59,520 He was telling her that he worked for the police. 103 00:07:59,580 --> 00:08:02,040 And he examined her character. 104 00:08:02,100 --> 00:08:06,200 He sent his friends and they wanted to date her as well, 105 00:08:06,260 --> 00:08:08,440 and she said, "No, I have already boyfriend. 106 00:08:08,500 --> 00:08:09,960 "I have Vladimir." 107 00:08:10,020 --> 00:08:12,840 And that was enough for him to be proud of her 108 00:08:12,900 --> 00:08:15,080 and to understand that she really likes him. 109 00:08:25,340 --> 00:08:27,240 He ends up in Eastern Germany, 110 00:08:27,300 --> 00:08:29,120 and he's not even in the capital, Berlin. 111 00:08:29,180 --> 00:08:32,520 He's sent to Dresden, a provincial backwater. 112 00:08:34,780 --> 00:08:37,440 And I think if you've been brought up in Leningrad 113 00:08:37,500 --> 00:08:41,480 and then you've trained a bit for the KGB in Moscow, 114 00:08:41,540 --> 00:08:43,440 going to Dresden, 115 00:08:43,500 --> 00:08:46,320 quite the opposite from what you'd hope from your foreign posting, 116 00:08:46,380 --> 00:08:49,280 to taste the forbidden fruits of the West. 117 00:08:49,340 --> 00:08:51,800 And I think it probably must've been a bit of a let-down. 118 00:08:53,180 --> 00:08:54,320 You get a hint of it. 119 00:08:54,380 --> 00:08:56,800 His wife talks about how they were homesick 120 00:08:56,860 --> 00:08:59,200 and longed for the Soviet Union. 121 00:08:59,260 --> 00:09:02,120 So, it feels as though they had a comfortable life, 122 00:09:02,180 --> 00:09:04,040 but not a particularly exciting one. 123 00:09:06,060 --> 00:09:10,320 He drank a lot of beer and there were a lot of pictures 124 00:09:10,380 --> 00:09:16,920 at parties, in restaurants, or among friends. 125 00:09:16,980 --> 00:09:21,520 You know, if you go there on a very secret mission and you're a top spy, 126 00:09:21,580 --> 00:09:23,880 no picture exists of you, 127 00:09:23,940 --> 00:09:27,000 not in books, nor in the collections of your friends 128 00:09:27,060 --> 00:09:28,320 or in family albums. 129 00:09:29,220 --> 00:09:32,040 So, I shouldn't portray him more than he was. 130 00:09:38,060 --> 00:09:40,840 And then his world collapsed. 131 00:09:40,900 --> 00:09:43,120 His dreams collapsed. 132 00:09:43,180 --> 00:09:46,960 East Germany has tonight opened its borders to the West. 133 00:09:47,020 --> 00:09:49,840 28 years after the Berlin Wall was built, 134 00:09:49,900 --> 00:09:53,360 its people are once more free to travel anywhere. 135 00:09:53,420 --> 00:09:55,200 I was Moscow correspondent at the time, 136 00:09:55,260 --> 00:09:59,720 and I wouldn't have said at the end of 1989, the beginning of 1990, 137 00:09:59,780 --> 00:10:01,160 that I would expect 138 00:10:01,220 --> 00:10:04,440 that within two years, the whole Soviet Union would collapse. 139 00:10:05,540 --> 00:10:07,320 So, I don't suppose he did either. 140 00:10:08,780 --> 00:10:11,120 I think it must've been a huge shock. 141 00:10:12,780 --> 00:10:14,840 He didn't welcome these changes. 142 00:10:16,820 --> 00:10:21,240 He knew that he had to... return back from the GDR, 143 00:10:21,300 --> 00:10:25,120 a country which didn't exist anymore 'cause it was reunited as Germany. 144 00:10:27,020 --> 00:10:29,800 He had a wife and two small daughters. 145 00:10:33,740 --> 00:10:40,000 He had a car, which he took to drive back from Dresden to St Petersburg. 146 00:10:41,300 --> 00:10:45,280 He didn't know what kind of career he will have in the new Russia, 147 00:10:45,340 --> 00:10:50,000 what will happen to him, to his family, to the country. 148 00:11:02,060 --> 00:11:07,000 Coming back to '90s in St Petersburg... 149 00:11:08,220 --> 00:11:11,440 ..it was gloomy city. 150 00:11:11,500 --> 00:11:15,840 Despite the fact that there were some new expectations... 151 00:11:17,020 --> 00:11:21,680 ..it was a real trauma to Soviet society. 152 00:11:22,900 --> 00:11:30,320 They were losing their sense of belonging to great country, 153 00:11:30,380 --> 00:11:31,520 to great history. 154 00:11:32,900 --> 00:11:35,840 They were losing the means for survival. 155 00:11:49,900 --> 00:11:54,640 When the institutions lost the ability to function, 156 00:11:54,700 --> 00:11:57,720 of course criminality is rising. 157 00:12:01,180 --> 00:12:04,240 They had contract killings every single day. 158 00:12:04,300 --> 00:12:07,400 They had bombings nearly every single day. 159 00:12:09,660 --> 00:12:12,200 There's people being killed left and right. 160 00:12:12,260 --> 00:12:17,560 I mean, it's, like, pretty much comparable to Chicago in the 1930s. 161 00:12:19,820 --> 00:12:22,360 And probably Chicago was not as violent as Russia. 162 00:13:02,940 --> 00:13:05,000 Just now President Putin denied 163 00:13:05,060 --> 00:13:07,760 having anything to do with the election interference in 2016. 164 00:13:07,820 --> 00:13:11,240 Every US intelligence agency has concluded that Russia did. 165 00:13:11,300 --> 00:13:12,920 Who do you believe? 166 00:13:12,980 --> 00:13:15,880 People came to me, they said they think it's Russia. 167 00:13:15,940 --> 00:13:21,480 I have President Putin. He just said it's not Russia. 168 00:13:21,540 --> 00:13:24,040 I will say this - I don't see any reason why it would be. 169 00:13:25,740 --> 00:13:29,640 I have great confidence in my intelligence people 170 00:13:29,700 --> 00:13:32,440 but I will tell you that 171 00:13:32,500 --> 00:13:37,600 President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today. 172 00:13:37,660 --> 00:13:38,960 Thank you. 173 00:13:39,020 --> 00:13:40,440 Thank you very much. 174 00:13:51,260 --> 00:13:53,880 Well, Vladimir Putin came into my life 175 00:13:53,940 --> 00:13:57,440 through a problem that I had with my investment at the time. 176 00:13:59,940 --> 00:14:03,360 Through my activities as a supplier for law enforcement equipment, 177 00:14:03,420 --> 00:14:04,720 I ended up in Russia. 178 00:14:08,380 --> 00:14:12,080 One of the deputy police chiefs thought it was a good idea 179 00:14:12,140 --> 00:14:13,920 to try to take over my investments. 180 00:14:16,780 --> 00:14:20,560 So, I want to the US consulate and someone there said, 181 00:14:20,620 --> 00:14:23,356 you know, "The guy you should... you should confront with this problem 182 00:14:23,380 --> 00:14:25,640 "is really Vladimir Putin." 183 00:14:32,100 --> 00:14:36,120 Putin is a guy that became sidekick 184 00:14:36,180 --> 00:14:40,080 to the first democratically elected mayor of St Petersburg, 185 00:14:40,140 --> 00:14:41,400 Anatoly Sobchak. 186 00:14:52,820 --> 00:14:55,640 And so I went to see him. 187 00:14:55,700 --> 00:15:03,640 Vladimir Putin was a very dry, obviously very humourless man 188 00:15:03,700 --> 00:15:07,280 of rather small stature. 189 00:15:07,340 --> 00:15:10,120 You could see it was very important to give you a good handshake, 190 00:15:10,180 --> 00:15:11,760 to look you straight into the eyes. 191 00:15:13,860 --> 00:15:16,800 He basically says, "No, I'm not gonna get involved. 192 00:15:16,860 --> 00:15:19,400 "I'm busy enough protecting my mayor. 193 00:15:19,460 --> 00:15:22,000 "I don't need an additional headache." 194 00:15:22,060 --> 00:15:23,360 That's exactly what he said. 195 00:15:24,660 --> 00:15:26,920 I didn't understand what... what that meant 196 00:15:26,980 --> 00:15:29,520 until I went out and I learned 197 00:15:29,580 --> 00:15:33,760 that Mayor Sobchak was completely corrupt, corrupt to the bone, 198 00:15:33,820 --> 00:15:37,760 and one of Putin's main functions was to keep him out of trouble. 199 00:15:38,980 --> 00:15:42,040 There were no real rules, there were no real laws. 200 00:15:42,100 --> 00:15:46,240 Of course, people bribed in order to get certain privileges. 201 00:15:46,300 --> 00:15:49,360 I was told by people who were close to Sobchak, 202 00:15:49,420 --> 00:15:53,320 "You have to pay $100,000 203 00:15:53,380 --> 00:15:56,800 "in order to have a soup with him." 204 00:15:59,780 --> 00:16:02,720 But they didn't manage to keep the city running as it should be. 205 00:16:04,100 --> 00:16:06,200 The city was collapsing. 206 00:16:06,260 --> 00:16:08,120 People were searching for food. 207 00:16:08,180 --> 00:16:10,400 Everything was dark. 208 00:16:34,500 --> 00:16:38,640 Sobchak needs someone who is, sort of the interface 209 00:16:38,700 --> 00:16:41,920 between what they call the organs of state, 210 00:16:41,980 --> 00:16:47,200 that is the KGB, the police, anybody of executive power 211 00:16:47,260 --> 00:16:49,720 that he could potentially get into a conflict with. 212 00:16:51,340 --> 00:16:55,640 For a simpler term, I would call Putin a fixer in the day. 213 00:17:01,140 --> 00:17:03,480 He was always in the shadows. 214 00:17:03,540 --> 00:17:06,040 You know, if there were pictures being taken 215 00:17:06,100 --> 00:17:08,480 of Sobchak doing something, 216 00:17:08,540 --> 00:17:11,600 even if Putin was there, he wasn't gonna be in the picture, 217 00:17:11,660 --> 00:17:13,540 or if he was, he was gonna be off in the corner. 218 00:17:16,860 --> 00:17:17,960 Sobchak trusted him, 219 00:17:18,020 --> 00:17:21,080 because Putin proved, first of all, to be very loyal. 220 00:17:23,300 --> 00:17:25,080 Loyal to Sobchak. 221 00:17:25,140 --> 00:17:26,640 He's a bulldog. 222 00:17:27,500 --> 00:17:29,200 He grabs on and he gets something. 223 00:17:33,860 --> 00:17:36,880 1992, there is a documentary film director 224 00:17:36,940 --> 00:17:39,440 who wants to make a series of short films 225 00:17:39,500 --> 00:17:45,120 to introduce those people working in the St Petersburg administration 226 00:17:45,180 --> 00:17:47,240 to the public, the whole team. 227 00:17:51,500 --> 00:17:55,080 And for the film, he decides to set the scene. 228 00:17:55,140 --> 00:18:00,440 And Putin, sitting behind the wheel of the Soviet Volga he's driving, 229 00:18:00,500 --> 00:18:03,280 and in the background, there is music, 230 00:18:03,340 --> 00:18:06,480 there is a theme tune from Seventeen Moments of Spring playing. 231 00:18:17,260 --> 00:18:19,280 Putin is not an accidental man. 232 00:18:22,020 --> 00:18:24,040 The idea to bring this tune 233 00:18:24,100 --> 00:18:26,880 and bring out this association with Stierlitz 234 00:18:26,940 --> 00:18:28,640 was... was clearly very important. 235 00:20:14,900 --> 00:20:17,120 Power, power, more and more influence 236 00:20:17,180 --> 00:20:19,000 in St Petersburg connections, 237 00:20:19,060 --> 00:20:21,600 with Western politicians. 238 00:20:21,660 --> 00:20:26,200 He made himself indispensable for Sobchak. 239 00:20:35,420 --> 00:20:38,200 Until 1996... 240 00:20:41,220 --> 00:20:44,560 ..when Sobchak lost the governors elections. 241 00:20:47,420 --> 00:20:50,600 He lost everything. He had no money. 242 00:20:50,660 --> 00:20:54,440 He was again in a situation where he had nothing. 243 00:20:55,500 --> 00:20:59,280 The lesson from Sobchak's loss was that 244 00:20:59,340 --> 00:21:02,960 you cannot leave the democratic process to elections 245 00:21:03,020 --> 00:21:05,880 and you cannot leave the elections to ordinary people, 246 00:21:05,940 --> 00:21:10,040 in the sense that someone could vote you out of office. 247 00:21:22,020 --> 00:21:23,640 I would like to make a statement 248 00:21:23,700 --> 00:21:26,440 about the death of Alexander Litvinenko. 249 00:21:27,660 --> 00:21:30,760 Mr Litvinenko suffered a cardiac arrest 250 00:21:30,820 --> 00:21:33,760 caused by his ingesting polonium 210 251 00:21:33,820 --> 00:21:38,040 while drinking tea at the Pine Bar of the Millennium Hotel. 252 00:21:40,100 --> 00:21:43,600 Mr Litvinenko was deliberately poisoned 253 00:21:43,660 --> 00:21:46,960 by Andrey Lugovoy and Dmitry Kovtun 254 00:21:47,020 --> 00:21:49,600 acting on behalf of others. 255 00:21:49,660 --> 00:21:51,480 There is a strong probability 256 00:21:51,540 --> 00:21:53,440 that they were acting under the direction 257 00:21:53,500 --> 00:21:55,640 of the Russian domestic security service, 258 00:21:55,700 --> 00:21:59,320 the Federal Security Service, or FSB, 259 00:21:59,380 --> 00:22:01,200 and the inquiry has found 260 00:22:01,260 --> 00:22:05,240 that the FSB operation to kill Mr Litvinenko 261 00:22:05,300 --> 00:22:08,600 was probably approved by President Putin. 262 00:22:56,660 --> 00:22:59,160 There's a very famous word in Russia, 'poryadok', 263 00:22:59,220 --> 00:23:00,960 which means 'order'. 264 00:23:01,020 --> 00:23:03,196 If you ask Russians what they want out of their leaders, 265 00:23:03,220 --> 00:23:04,300 what they want is poryadok. 266 00:23:04,340 --> 00:23:06,080 What they want is order. 267 00:23:07,700 --> 00:23:10,360 At that time, the president was Yeltsin, 268 00:23:10,420 --> 00:23:12,920 who was visibly very unhealthy, kept on humiliating himself. 269 00:23:22,420 --> 00:23:23,680 For the ordinary Russian, 270 00:23:23,740 --> 00:23:25,476 who thinks of himself as a citizen of a proud country, 271 00:23:25,500 --> 00:23:26,680 this was just intolerable. 272 00:24:17,340 --> 00:24:19,880 A lot of the people who were around Yeltsin at the time 273 00:24:19,940 --> 00:24:22,600 were looking for someone who could take a grip. 274 00:24:23,740 --> 00:24:27,120 Russia had spent ten years sliding into anarchy 275 00:24:27,180 --> 00:24:29,000 with hyperinflation, 276 00:24:29,060 --> 00:24:32,240 trying to cope with the loss of all the Soviet republics. 277 00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:34,480 It had defaulted on its debts. 278 00:24:34,540 --> 00:24:36,680 It had, sort of, lost its way. 279 00:24:36,740 --> 00:24:39,720 And society seemed to be out of control. 280 00:25:20,660 --> 00:25:26,240 Putin moved to Moscow from St Petersburg in 1996... 281 00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:35,000 ..as a... ..low-mid-level bureaucrat, 282 00:25:35,060 --> 00:25:39,920 whom they found a position inside the Kremlin apparatus. 283 00:25:41,860 --> 00:25:43,560 Very quickly he starts growing. 284 00:25:50,900 --> 00:25:53,640 In a year, year and something, 285 00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:57,040 he becomes the head of Russian FSB, 286 00:25:57,100 --> 00:25:59,280 the Russian special forces. 287 00:26:21,860 --> 00:26:23,800 This is an incredible career. 288 00:26:23,860 --> 00:26:28,120 When Putin was installed as director of the FSB in 1998... 289 00:26:29,220 --> 00:26:32,680 ..corruption had become so pervasive, 290 00:26:32,740 --> 00:26:35,320 FSB assets were just simply there for hire 291 00:26:35,380 --> 00:26:37,960 for any gangster or businessman who wanted to use them. 292 00:26:40,380 --> 00:26:42,440 When Putin came in, 293 00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:46,200 everybody expected that he would start cleaning the stables... 294 00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:50,560 ..ridding the FSB of corruption. 295 00:27:01,940 --> 00:27:04,280 So, that's how it all started. 296 00:27:06,860 --> 00:27:09,320 I've never met Putin in my life, 297 00:27:09,380 --> 00:27:13,320 but he's the subject of my obsession in a way, 298 00:27:13,380 --> 00:27:18,120 since he ordered the killing of my friend Litvinenko. 299 00:27:23,420 --> 00:27:28,320 Sascha Litvinenko's conflict with Putin was not political. 300 00:27:28,380 --> 00:27:31,560 It was a conflict of... 301 00:27:31,620 --> 00:27:36,640 ..an honest cop with corrupt superiors, essentially. 302 00:27:56,900 --> 00:27:58,440 They met, 303 00:27:58,500 --> 00:28:02,120 and Sascha Litvinenko started explaining to Putin 304 00:28:02,180 --> 00:28:04,880 that this one should be removed and that one should be removed 305 00:28:04,940 --> 00:28:07,920 and that is a crook and so on, and Putin listened to him. 306 00:28:09,860 --> 00:28:13,000 Then ordered him out of the FSB, 307 00:28:13,060 --> 00:28:15,320 because he was making too much trouble. 308 00:28:16,220 --> 00:28:20,640 That's how Sascha Litvinenko's conflict with Putin started. 309 00:29:02,300 --> 00:29:04,960 The stakes were very high. 310 00:29:05,020 --> 00:29:06,320 Yeltsin could be prosecuted. 311 00:29:09,500 --> 00:29:15,400 The danger comes in the figure of the prosecutor general, 312 00:29:15,460 --> 00:29:16,460 Skuratov. 313 00:29:17,660 --> 00:29:21,040 Skuratov already started investigation 314 00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:23,720 in Yeltsin's financial dealings, 315 00:29:23,780 --> 00:29:28,040 with huge political support of Russian parliament behind him. 316 00:29:31,380 --> 00:29:36,720 Behind Yeltsin is Putin as the head of FSB 317 00:29:36,780 --> 00:29:44,040 and... and... and... and... and a willingness to... to fight. 318 00:29:48,340 --> 00:29:50,360 So, what they do? 319 00:29:50,420 --> 00:29:55,920 They expose this prosecutor general on television. 320 00:30:05,940 --> 00:30:13,240 They have this footage of him having sex with some ladies 321 00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:15,400 in some apartment in Moscow, 322 00:30:15,460 --> 00:30:18,640 and they air this footage on television. 323 00:30:20,380 --> 00:30:21,680 After that... 324 00:30:22,660 --> 00:30:24,760 ..Prosecutor General Skuratov was dismissed. 325 00:30:35,340 --> 00:30:38,480 It was the first time, probably, when 326 00:30:38,540 --> 00:30:40,120 we saw that you can achieve... 327 00:30:41,220 --> 00:30:43,360 ..a very important political outcome 328 00:30:43,420 --> 00:30:46,320 through some kind of special operation 329 00:30:46,380 --> 00:30:50,640 by exposing your opponent with kompromat. 330 00:30:52,260 --> 00:30:53,920 Yeltsin won this fight. 331 00:30:55,940 --> 00:30:59,520 And of course we know Vladimir Putin played huge role 332 00:30:59,580 --> 00:31:01,360 in this special operation. 333 00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:39,800 When Yeltsin appointed Putin as active prime minister in August '99, 334 00:31:39,860 --> 00:31:43,200 he immediately said, "This is my successor. 335 00:31:43,260 --> 00:31:45,360 "He will be Russia's president." 336 00:31:45,420 --> 00:31:47,560 And that was impossible to believe. 337 00:31:47,620 --> 00:31:51,680 That was just simply impossible to... to sort of grasp, 338 00:31:51,740 --> 00:31:54,840 because we just didn't know his face. 339 00:31:56,060 --> 00:31:59,000 Even those who supported Yeltsin were thinking that, 340 00:31:59,060 --> 00:32:01,120 "Hey, this is crazy. He can't make it. 341 00:32:01,180 --> 00:32:03,000 "You can't make a president in a few months, 342 00:32:03,060 --> 00:32:05,120 "just like a click of your hand. 343 00:32:05,180 --> 00:32:06,560 "It's just impossible." 344 00:32:07,860 --> 00:32:09,800 He would definitely lose, 345 00:32:09,860 --> 00:32:13,440 and everything that had been achieved by then 346 00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:14,640 would be destroyed. 347 00:33:52,460 --> 00:33:55,880 I have to admit, I don't remember my first feeling of, 348 00:33:55,940 --> 00:33:57,240 "What is Putin, who is Putin?" 349 00:33:57,300 --> 00:34:00,080 You remember this famous question, "Who is Mr Putin?" 350 00:34:00,140 --> 00:34:02,320 We didn't know who he was. 351 00:34:03,340 --> 00:34:07,240 But what definitely changed everything was... 352 00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:08,760 ..the war. 353 00:34:41,180 --> 00:34:43,800 Rescue workers are searching 354 00:34:43,860 --> 00:34:45,680 through the remains of a block of flats 355 00:34:45,740 --> 00:34:48,560 destroyed by a huge bomb blast early today. 356 00:34:50,820 --> 00:34:53,440 There were reports that 357 00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:56,440 an apartment building in Moscow had been blown up. 358 00:34:56,500 --> 00:35:01,000 About 100 people were killed and many, many more were injured. 359 00:35:02,060 --> 00:35:04,280 Then several days later, 360 00:35:04,340 --> 00:35:07,320 another apartment building was blown up in Moscow. 361 00:35:09,500 --> 00:35:12,800 This is number six Kashirskoye Avenue, 362 00:35:12,860 --> 00:35:14,280 or what's left of it, 363 00:35:14,340 --> 00:35:17,720 home until today to 120 people. 364 00:35:17,780 --> 00:35:21,200 The eight-storey building collapsed in on itself, 365 00:35:21,260 --> 00:35:23,440 pulverising all who lived inside. 366 00:35:25,940 --> 00:35:28,720 It was clear that what we were dealing with was 367 00:35:28,780 --> 00:35:30,960 a series of terrorist acts. 368 00:35:34,420 --> 00:35:37,800 This is when fear came to Moscow. 369 00:35:39,700 --> 00:35:44,240 This was something very new feeling in the air. 370 00:36:23,140 --> 00:36:28,000 The authorities said that this was the work of Chechen terrorists. 371 00:36:28,060 --> 00:36:29,640 No proof. 372 00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:33,520 But the aggressivity of the population was such 373 00:36:33,580 --> 00:36:36,760 after so many years of hardship under Yeltsin... 374 00:36:38,140 --> 00:36:42,000 ..and the anger against the Chechens was so great 375 00:36:42,060 --> 00:36:44,040 after an unsuccessful war 376 00:36:44,100 --> 00:36:46,960 that was fought in the middle of the 1990s, 377 00:36:47,020 --> 00:36:50,760 in which Russia suffered serious defeats, 378 00:36:50,820 --> 00:36:54,360 that no-one waited for evidence. 379 00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:08,240 Ryazan is a city south-east of Moscow, about 100 miles. 380 00:37:10,300 --> 00:37:18,300 One night, a resident of a building saw a car pull up to the building, 381 00:37:18,820 --> 00:37:20,720 and he witnessed people going down 382 00:37:20,780 --> 00:37:25,480 and taking sacks of some mysterious substance into the basement. 383 00:37:25,540 --> 00:37:29,240 He called the police, they came, they went down into the basement 384 00:37:29,300 --> 00:37:31,840 and they bolted back up the stairs and they said, 385 00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:33,220 "There's a bomb in the basement." 386 00:37:37,460 --> 00:37:42,520 Shortly afterwards, those who were responsible for placing the bomb 387 00:37:42,580 --> 00:37:43,880 were arrested. 388 00:37:46,740 --> 00:37:50,280 But they produced FSB identification. 389 00:37:53,980 --> 00:37:58,320 And an order came from Moscow saying to release them. 390 00:38:03,660 --> 00:38:07,280 Short time later, the head of the FSB 391 00:38:07,340 --> 00:38:10,520 got on national television and said that 392 00:38:10,580 --> 00:38:14,840 the events in Ryazan were not an attempted terrorist attack. 393 00:38:14,900 --> 00:38:16,680 For two days, they had been saying that 394 00:38:16,740 --> 00:38:18,720 this was an attempted terrorist attack 395 00:38:18,780 --> 00:38:22,560 and the vigilance of the citizens of Ryazan had prevented it. 396 00:38:22,620 --> 00:38:27,000 Now, with the FSB agents arrested, caught red-handed, 397 00:38:27,060 --> 00:38:29,760 they changed their story and said that 398 00:38:29,820 --> 00:38:31,840 this was a training exercise. 399 00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:35,560 What was taking place was a test of vigilance. 400 00:38:37,660 --> 00:38:39,800 Well, I personally have no doubt 401 00:38:39,860 --> 00:38:43,120 that is could not have been a training exercise. 402 00:38:43,180 --> 00:38:45,360 It could not have been a test of vigilance. 403 00:38:47,660 --> 00:38:50,840 I consider it as a conspiracy theory. 404 00:38:50,900 --> 00:38:53,200 I can't take it. 405 00:38:53,260 --> 00:38:54,320 I can't believe... 406 00:38:55,660 --> 00:38:59,120 ..that Russia's government or special forces 407 00:38:59,180 --> 00:39:02,160 were able to orchestrate a terrorist... 408 00:39:02,220 --> 00:39:03,680 ..terrorist attacks like that. 409 00:39:03,740 --> 00:39:08,200 If you talk about forensic evidence, it's an open question. 410 00:39:08,260 --> 00:39:09,920 Who blew up the houses? 411 00:39:09,980 --> 00:39:13,600 But there is lots of circumstantial evidence 412 00:39:13,660 --> 00:39:17,960 pointing at some group in FSB, 413 00:39:18,020 --> 00:39:22,360 engaged again of Chechens to blow up these houses 414 00:39:22,420 --> 00:39:25,520 to provoke the invasion of Chechnya. 415 00:39:32,660 --> 00:39:37,600 And two weeks after the explosions, after these bombings, 416 00:39:37,660 --> 00:39:41,080 the assault on Chechnya started. 417 00:39:42,220 --> 00:39:45,440 That's when the real war started. 418 00:39:57,220 --> 00:40:01,400 There was a demand to restore Russia's pride... 419 00:40:02,380 --> 00:40:04,560 ..some self-esteem... 420 00:40:08,660 --> 00:40:10,200 ..and to win the war. 421 00:40:10,260 --> 00:40:14,840 That was the primary demand, not people's lives. 422 00:40:31,540 --> 00:40:33,960 He used criminal slang. 423 00:40:34,020 --> 00:40:37,440 He used the word 'mochit', which in Russian is... 424 00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:38,780 It's what Russian gangsters use. 425 00:40:38,820 --> 00:40:42,120 It means 'turn into liquid', 'liquidate', 426 00:40:42,180 --> 00:40:45,040 but it's..it's a very crude word. 427 00:41:13,540 --> 00:41:16,280 Putin's popularity rating soared, 428 00:41:16,340 --> 00:41:19,960 and he immediately became the saviour of the country. 429 00:41:20,020 --> 00:41:23,600 Suddenly, he was the defender of the homeland. 430 00:44:41,420 --> 00:44:45,600 Kind of curtain of silence fell over Russia 431 00:44:45,660 --> 00:44:48,520 on the issue of the apartment bombings. 432 00:44:57,340 --> 00:45:00,560 The phrase "The less you know, the better you sleep", 433 00:45:00,620 --> 00:45:05,520 in Russian, if you'd like it... 434 00:45:05,580 --> 00:45:08,440 It means, "better not to know too much". 435 00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:10,480 It's dangerous to know too much. 436 00:45:56,420 --> 00:46:01,920 Subtitles Diego Moraes(oakislandtk) www.opensubtitles.org 35551

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