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- [Operator] Newport Beach 911.- [Woman] I need a ambulance
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right away,someone's been stabbed.
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- It's a girl.- Do you see blood?
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- Yes.
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I felt like I caused this.
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This is the last thing
I ever wanted to happen.
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[dramatic music]
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I'm a reporter
for the Los Angeles Times.
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I wrote the series
"Dirty John" and the podcast.
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There are life-and-deathstakes in this story.
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I met John online.
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He made me feel wonderful.
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It was the best feeling
in the world.
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His profile saidthat he was single, a doctor.
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Everything you want to see
in a man.
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-John was very attractive.
Very, very charming.
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[Reporter] Many women were terrorized.
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John Meehanwas a serial predator.
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He went from victim to victim.
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Took what he could
and found a new one.
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[young lady]I knew he was trying
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to hurt my mom,
hurt my family.
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I hated John.
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[woman]He broke me in half.
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I was a good person.
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Hi, Mom!
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He's going to turn on you
and destroy your life.
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♪
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John is the most dangerous,
devious individual
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that I ever
prosecuted.
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- We arrested him,
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and inside the backpack
he had a revolver,
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hundreds of rounds of ammo.
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I knew that John
was capable of murder.
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- One of the lessonsof this story
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is that monsters don't always
look like monsters.
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[woman screams]
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♪
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[mellow music]
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♪
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- In 2014, I was single,
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having a good time.
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Successful, full life...
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with family, friends,
and work.
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I'm a interior designer.
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I've been doing it 35 years.
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I love what I do...
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and I felt like I had
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this one thing missing...
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and it was love.
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Companionship.
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I realized I just wanted
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to be loved.
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I think the older you get...
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there are less available men
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that are healthy
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and happy and successful.
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♪
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I met John online.
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One thing about John's profile
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that I recall
is that everything
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I was looking for in a manseemed to be
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in his profile.
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I wanted a man
that went to church,
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someone that was
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into his family,
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successful, intelligent.
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I'm looking at this thinking,
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"John's a great catch.
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"He's a doctor, he's...
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seemed so genuine."
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[man] What Debra Newelldidn't know was that
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John Meehan
was a serial predator.
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He went from victim to victim,
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took what he could,
and found a new one.
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He would terrorize them.
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[suspenseful music]
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I haven't had
the best luck...
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in the love department.
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I am very protective
of my mom in general.
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The guys that she was
married to before
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took complete advantage of her.
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Debra Newell hadhad a bad break-up
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with a prior boyfriend,
she was feeling vulnerable.
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And John seemed like
the complete package.
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Monsters don't always look
like monsters.
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He looked like a doctorout of casting central,
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so if you're goingto impersonate a doctor
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it helps to look
like you belong on the cast
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of "Grey's Anatomy."
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That's one of the reasons
he was so dangerous.
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- Our first date,
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John talked about
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all his success,
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his family.
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A very, very charming...
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intelligent man.
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He asked me a lot of questions
about my life.
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It was almost surreal.
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I'm thinking, "Hmm,
I really like this guy."
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We ended up walking backto my home.
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He went straight to my bedroom
and laid on my bed.
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I just looked at him
and I said, "Oh, no.
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Uh-uh.
You need to leave."
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And I said,
"That's not who I am."
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He was very persistent.
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Kept saying, "Just let me
lay here a little bit longer."
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Well, I was
quite disappointed.
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The next dayJohn calls me,
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asks for my forgiveness.
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I forgave him.
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Said, "Let's start over,"
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uh, "let's go on
another date."
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The first few weeks of datingwere fantastic.
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He was doing everything right.
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He would always hold my hand,
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and we would walk and talk,
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sometimes for hours.
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He would tell mehow beautiful I was,
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I'm his soul mate.
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I enjoyed being romanced.
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It was a little bitof a whirlwind,
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where he had pulled me in
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to where I couldn'tgo backwards.
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I was so convinced
that John was the real thing.
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The way he treated me,
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the way he looked
in my eyes,
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the way he listened.
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- My mom seemed very happy,
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but I wanted her to look out
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for the red flags.
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And it was all happening
so fast.
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My sister had suspicionsway before I did.
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- During the reporting
of the story I, uh, reached out
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to, uh, Debra's daughter,
Jacquelyn,
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who was initially hesitant
to talk to me.
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She was a very private person.
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- When I first met John Meehan,
his scrubs were torn.
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I thought that he was a fake.
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I just had a very bad feeling
about him.
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I think my kids are
very protective of me.
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That I see the best
in everyone.
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- We're a very close family,
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we're all looking out
after each other.
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- John and I started dating
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the beginning of October...
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and by the end of November
he had basically
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moved in with me.
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I had found this perfect homein Balboa
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thinking this would bea good start.
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I had fallen in love with John
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and I wanted to get
to know him.
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He never talked abouthis family.
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That's what was really odd.
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♪
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[Goffard] John grew upin the San Jose area,
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and most of what I know
about that period of his life
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I learned from his sisters.
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John had a fatherwho romanticized
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the gangster lifestyleand the gangster ethos
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and brought John up to believe
that if someone crossed you,
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you went after them
twice as hard.
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If they wronged you,
you broke their legs.
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[children laughing]
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- John told me that
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his whole family was dead,
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so he was all alone
except for his kids.
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- John Meehan lied constantly
about his family.
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He did have, uh, two sisters
who are alive in California,
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and he had turned on them
ferociously,
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in the way that he eventually
turned on everybody.
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He was a good athlete.
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He played basketballin high school.
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Good-looking, charming,
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and learnedat a very young age
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to be manipulative.
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That seemed to be his shortcut
to getting his way in life.
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[man] I was John Meehan'sbest friend
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from 1974...
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to 1985.
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John was pretty studious,very smart.
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Always had books in his hand,
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along with a basketball.
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John never invited me over
to his house.
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We didn't talk abouthis family that much.
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[Goffard] His fatherand mother had a bad break-up
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when John was in high school.
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The divorce had
a devastating effect
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on the family,
and I think John Meehan
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always blamed his mother
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for the erosion of the family.
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And that was the beginning
of his journey
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toward the dark side.
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- John just came up to meand he said,
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"We can make so much money
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doing this gigolo thing."
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We would have sex
with older women,
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and we'd make all this money.
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Couple hundred bucks a pop.
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Back then, that was a lot
of money.
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John was always tryingto make a quick buck.
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Besides the other womenhe was seeing,
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he had a steady girlfriend.
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- I met John Meehan
when I was 20 years old
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working in a bank
in Los Gatos, California.
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John told me he was a studentat Stanford and was working
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as a surgical tech.
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John was very attractive,
very, very charming.
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I believe John knew
I was young, naive,
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and probably a little gullible.
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He would tell me he didn't want
to be away from me,
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that he didn't want
to spend time apart.
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I was very flatteredby the attention from John.
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I just fell in love with him.
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- When I was living with John,he was always in scrubs--
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all the time, like 24/7.
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He was trying to get intomedical school,
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and it was very expensive.
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He started to dabble
into drug sales.
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Cocaine.
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Then he started sellinglarge amounts.
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- We'd go to dinner,
his beeper would go off,
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we'd leave.
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We'd go to the movies,
his beeper would go off,
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we'd leave.
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- He started getting real big.
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He started bragging
about how he was cutting
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the coke, and it was like
half the grade it was
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when he got it.
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He saw green.
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It was money, money, money.
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All hours of the night
people were coming over.
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3:00, 4:00, 5:00
in the morning.
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I saw a change in John.
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♪
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One day John called me up
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and he goes, "You think
you can set me up
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with my partners
with some coke?"
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And it was for three kilos.
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You know, and I was dumb.
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I was not--I wasn't
the big dealer like him.
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And I said,"Okay, yeah, yeah.
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I got some guys."
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I went and set it up.
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That night the cokewas brought in.
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We were partying,
young and dumb,
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and the door just came--
a hole through it.
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[man] Police!
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- They say, "We're ATF.
Hit the floor."
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I was scared [bleep].
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They put pillow caseson everybody's head
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and they took 'em
to different departments
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so no one would know
who the snitch was.
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I knew who the snitch was.
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I knew it was John.
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♪
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[Joe Loeffler ]John and I set up
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a coke deal,
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and it was for three kilos.
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Coke was brought in
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and the door just came--
a hole through it.
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[man] Police!
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The people in the restaurant
were all ATF agents.
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Supposedly
the largest bust
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in Santa Clara history.
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I knew who the snitch was.
I knew it was John.
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After that day,
I kept asking John,
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"Why did you do it?
Why did you do it?
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I'm your best friend.
We hung out."
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And he goes,
"I had to do it.
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"I got busted witha half-ounce of coke.
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"I wouldn't be ableto go to med school.
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"You can't have a felony
on your record.
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I had to do this."
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And I'm gonna be
going away.
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He busted me to get outof that, plain and simple.
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Just to save his own ass.
I hated the guy's guts.
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- John Meehan
seemed to have a way
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of getting out of trouble.
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He seemed to get into a lot
of trouble and find a way
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to slither out of it
successfully.
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He was crossing that linefrom threats to action.
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I think he was restless
in the way that, um...
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psychopaths are.
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- We had gone to the movies
and his beeper went off,
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and we had to leave.
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And he dropped me off at home
and was kissing me good night.
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Said he didn't want
to leave me, that he wanted
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to spend the rest
of the evening with me,
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but he had to go to work.
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And I never saw him again.
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Wondered what I haddone wrong.
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Wondered if I wasn't
his type.
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Put a lot of it on me.
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You know, what did I do?
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I feel that John preyed on me
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because he knew I had a lot
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of insecurities,
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a lot of damage
to my self-esteem.
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I was practice for John.
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He was testing the watersof his con,
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of his game.
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He broke my heart.
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- Some people called him
a con man,
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but actually, John Meehan
was far more than that.
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He was a predatory individual.
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He didn't formreal relationships
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or attachments
or bonds to people.
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He just used people.
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He ticks many of the boxes
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in the psychopathy checklist.
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[Goffard] In the early '80s
after John is busted, uh,
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for drugs
he leaves for Arizona,
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where he goes to college.
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When he graduates he goesto Dayton, Ohio,
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for law school.
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It was around then thatJohn Meehan met Tonia Bales.
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[Tonia Bales]I was working as a nurse
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in the operating room,
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and I was out that night
with a group of coworkers.
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I just made my way
to the restroom
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and I was stopped by John,
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which turned intoa conversation.
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His personality was enjoyable
and outgoing
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and smiley
and very engaging,
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asking a lot of questions.
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I did not give him
my phone number that night,
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but he knew where I worked,
and so he called
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to the operating room
the next night
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and had me paged.
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I would say that I was naive.
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You know, he saidall the right things.
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"You're really pretty.
I'd love to get to know you,
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and, you know, any chance
we can go out?"
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And I was flattered.
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I think I fell in lovewith John because of his
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attentiveness towards me,
and his interest in me,
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and how good he made me feel.
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After about a year of datinghe pulled me, you know,
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close to him and told me
that he wanted to spend
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the rest of his life with me.
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And he presented me with a--
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a gorgeous diamond ring,
and it was fantastic,
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and I said yes.
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The wedding was your typicalCatholic, Midwest wedding.
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There weren't tons of guests,
and part of that
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was because John did not
invite his family.
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And he told me that his familywould have been
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embarrassing to him.
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That his dad was an alcoholic.
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His parents were divorced,
and he thought his parents
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wouldn't get along
at the wedding,
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and he didn't want to ruin
our special day.
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- John, how do you feel this--
this evening?
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- [screams]
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No, I--I'm fine.
I'm fine.
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- And so, uh, what do you got
planned for the rest
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of the evening here?
- Re--rest of the evening, uh,
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drink, frivolity, fun,
plundering pillages
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near and far.
- Sounds good.
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- The wedding video,I was so excited to watch it
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but I noticedin the reception time
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with all the guys,you know, having had
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probably too many drinks,one of them refers to him
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as "Filthy John."
- Let me start by saying this:
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John Meehan's nickname
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is "Filthy John Meehan."
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- Yeah, but why? Why?
- Why?
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- Remember when you first
created that nickname and why?
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- Yes, I do,
but it cannot be divulged
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on camera.
- I don't take showers.
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That's the only reason.
[overlapping chatter]
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- His--his friends--
his friends call him
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- "The Cruiser."
- I did question John
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about the "Filthy John" comment
and he said,
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"Oh, they're just--they've had
too much to drink."
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You know, "They're just
being silly.
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It doesn't mean anything."
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It wasn't really till afterwe were married
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several years that--the wedding ring had
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some smaller stones,
and one of the smaller stones
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had fallen out, so I took it
into a jeweler
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to have that stone replaced.
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And the jeweler took the ring
and said,
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"You know this isn't real,
right?"
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And I got, uh...
[stammering]
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I pretend--
I said, "Yes."
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Yeah, I said yes.
Because that's humiliating.
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I never told him that I knewthat it was fake.
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I just got caught up
in that, you know,
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fall in love as an adult
and having a happy ending.
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- I think Tonia had no idea
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this kind of person existed.
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She came from a, uh--
a nice family,
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a good background.
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She's a nurse anesthetist.
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John follows herinto the profession.
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Tonia told me thatshe helped support him
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as he worked his way
through nursing school.
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- I would have told you
that we were happily married.
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Um, we were, you know,
busy professionals,
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we got along very well,
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we very rarely foughtabout anything.
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John didn't want
to have children right away.
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He eventually, you know,
said that he was ready,
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and so Emily, uh, was born
when I was 30.
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- [John]
Looks like she got hit.
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Looks like somebody
punched her in the eye.
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[laughter, chatter]
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- After Emily was about
14 months,
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John was accepted into
a nurse anesthesia program
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-in Tennessee.
- Say, "Hi, Mama."
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Hi, Mom!
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- Oh, it was a tremendouslyhappy time for me.
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- [babbling]
- And then we were
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soon planning out next child
to complete our family,
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and he seemed excited
about that.
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I was very excited about that,so I was ready
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to have another child.
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- [baby crying]
- After Abigail was born,
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we came to have a talk
after Christmas, um,
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and John was saying
that he wasn't happy.
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And I said, you know,
"What's wrong?"
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You know, "I can change."
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He decided that
he wasn't happy in the marriage
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and, um, he filed for divorce.
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I was devastated.
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I married him to be
married to him forever.
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- I absolutely feel like
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he abandoned my family.
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He consciously made
that decision.
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- Him leaving really upset me
and I felt really unloved,
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and I felt like
I wasn't enough for him.
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- While John and Iare having this split,
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everybody's saying,
"Something's missing.
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Something's missing."
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My brother-in-law says,
"You know, maybe you should--
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really should find his mom
or his family."
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And he found his mom's
phone number on the Internet.
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[phone dialing]
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With my knees trembling,
I dialed that number
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and I called her.
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And I said, uh,
"Dolores, this is Tonia.
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I'm married to your son, John."
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And the phone was silent.
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And then she said,
"Oh, Tonia.
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I knew you'd call me one day."
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And she unloaded on me
that he had been arrested,
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that--she asked me
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if he's still using drugs
and I said, "What?"
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And she said,"Call his sisters.
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They would love
to talk to you."
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So I called both
of his sisters.
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They laid out a lot of stories
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about insurance fraud,
about having a friend,
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you know, hit himwith the car on purpose
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and he broke his leg and he got
some money for that.
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That he had, um,
put some glass intentionally
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in his taco at Taco Bell
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and filed a suit against that.
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That was not congruent
with the man that I married.
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♪
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So I started snooping.
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I found a pictureof a resident
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at the hospital circled,
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I found directions
to a hotel room
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in a female's writing,
and I found--
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on the very top shelfpushed all the way
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to the back--a box
of anesthesia drugs--
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Fentanyl and Versed.
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So at this point I'm married
almost ten years
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and I'm realizing
that everything I've lived
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up to this point in my marriage
is a lie.
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♪
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[Tonia] So at this point,I was married to John
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for almost ten years,
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and I'm realizing
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that everything I've lived
up to this point
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in my marriage is a lie.
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♪
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John had potentanesthetic drugs.
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There was no reason for those
to be there.
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00:19:49,188 --> 00:19:52,232
I'm a nurse anesthetist--
there's no reason
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that you bring home drugs.
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I knew that something was wrong,
but I didn't know what it was.
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I thoughtthat he was using drugs,
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but I also came to learn
through his family
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that he was shipping them
from Ohio to California
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for his brother to use.
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- So around the same time
that his marriage
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to, uh, Tonia is dissolving,
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his brother dies in Santa Cruz
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of an overdose.
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- They call me and saythe brother is dead.
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Then basically
I'm saying, "This needs
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"to end, right now.
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00:20:32,439 --> 00:20:34,692
"I can't hold on
to this information.
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00:20:34,692 --> 00:20:36,736
"I don't know exactly
what he's doing, but I've got
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to report this."
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That's when, you know, I--
I went to the police and said,
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"This is what I know."
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[audio playing in reverse]
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- The police cameto my house one day
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to kind of search my houseand--and look at
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where the drugs wereat one point.
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00:20:54,128 --> 00:20:58,049
And there it was:
his little, you know,
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stash of drugs.
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00:21:02,386 --> 00:21:04,388
And I thought, "We're done.
510
00:21:04,388 --> 00:21:05,848
"We found it.
511
00:21:05,848 --> 00:21:07,141
"This is gonna be over soon.
512
00:21:07,141 --> 00:21:08,768
"You know, he's gonna
get arrested.
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00:21:08,768 --> 00:21:10,644
"He's killed his brother
or helped, you know,
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00:21:10,644 --> 00:21:13,231
"kill his brother,
and we're all gonna prove this,
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you know, very fast."
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That's not exactly how it went.
517
00:21:18,194 --> 00:21:21,197
[Goffard]His career was disintegrating
518
00:21:18,194 --> 00:21:21,197
around that time.
519
00:21:21,197 --> 00:21:23,657
When he began running amok--
he began stealing drugs
520
00:21:23,657 --> 00:21:25,451
and endangering patients--
people were calling
521
00:21:25,451 --> 00:21:27,954
the Medical Board,he was losing his license.
522
00:21:27,954 --> 00:21:30,748
I think his drug addiction
was accelerating,
523
00:21:30,748 --> 00:21:32,250
and at the end it seemed
to drive him
524
00:21:32,250 --> 00:21:34,168
to increasingly
irrational behavior.
525
00:21:34,168 --> 00:21:36,170
- John moved to the state
of Indiana,
526
00:21:36,170 --> 00:21:38,881
started working there,
and some friends of mine
527
00:21:38,881 --> 00:21:40,716
who were also
nurse anesthetists
528
00:21:40,716 --> 00:21:42,218
warned the Board
that he was there.
529
00:21:42,218 --> 00:21:44,344
This is a period of time
where things got
530
00:21:44,344 --> 00:21:45,972
really scary for me.
531
00:21:45,972 --> 00:21:48,057
John believed that
I was the one making the calls
532
00:21:48,057 --> 00:21:51,185
to the Indiana Board of Nursing
and ruining his career.
533
00:21:51,185 --> 00:21:53,771
- He is making...
534
00:21:53,771 --> 00:21:55,397
very scary phone calls to her
535
00:21:55,397 --> 00:21:58,025
that the police tell her
to get on tape.
536
00:21:58,025 --> 00:22:00,236
[phone line ringing]
537
00:22:00,236 --> 00:22:03,239
[John] I have it on excellent,excellent authority
538
00:22:03,239 --> 00:22:05,365
you're the one who's beenmaking the phone calls.
539
00:22:05,365 --> 00:22:07,952
[Tonia] I have never calledthe Indiana Board of Nursing.
540
00:22:07,952 --> 00:22:10,579
- I got a big smileon my face. You know why?
541
00:22:10,579 --> 00:22:12,623
Because it's gonna get done.
542
00:22:12,623 --> 00:22:14,959
- What's gonna get done?- You will understand
543
00:22:14,959 --> 00:22:16,752
when the time comes.
544
00:22:16,752 --> 00:22:19,338
I'll be in Bermuda havinga big [bleep] Cuba Libre
545
00:22:19,338 --> 00:22:21,715
with a 22-year-oldwhen it happens.
546
00:22:21,715 --> 00:22:23,467
- That's nice.- You keep that in mind.
547
00:22:23,467 --> 00:22:26,179
So Tonia, you enjoyyour time left
548
00:22:26,179 --> 00:22:27,888
on this Earth, okay?
549
00:22:27,888 --> 00:22:29,598
Because that's what it'sgonna come down to.
550
00:22:29,598 --> 00:22:31,309
- Everybody knowsit'll be you
551
00:22:31,309 --> 00:22:33,269
and you're not gonna make itto Bermuda.
552
00:22:33,269 --> 00:22:35,146
- Oh, I'll be in Bermuda,Tonia.
553
00:22:35,146 --> 00:22:36,856
- Oh, you'll be in Bermuda.- Yes.
554
00:22:36,856 --> 00:22:38,524
- So where will the kids be?
555
00:22:38,524 --> 00:22:40,693
- Probably with your parents.
556
00:22:40,693 --> 00:22:42,653
- Okay.- Wondering, "Gosh,
557
00:22:42,653 --> 00:22:44,780
what happened to Mom?"
558
00:22:44,780 --> 00:22:46,282
♪
559
00:22:46,282 --> 00:22:48,909
- During this time,
he's under investigation
560
00:22:48,909 --> 00:22:51,120
and I'm not allowed
to say anything,
561
00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:54,290
and I'm having to turn
my children over to him
562
00:22:54,290 --> 00:22:56,000
knowing that he's using drugs.
563
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,376
And I've got to put 'em
in the back seat of his car
564
00:22:58,376 --> 00:22:59,586
for visitation.
565
00:22:59,586 --> 00:23:01,339
And knowing what I know,
that was one
566
00:23:01,339 --> 00:23:04,091
of the most difficult things
that I've had to do,
567
00:23:04,091 --> 00:23:06,052
but unless you have
a court order
568
00:23:06,052 --> 00:23:08,095
denying someone visitation,
569
00:23:08,095 --> 00:23:09,722
you have to turn
your children over.
570
00:23:09,722 --> 00:23:11,849
- [babbling]
571
00:23:11,849 --> 00:23:14,643
I remember on orientation day,
when we would meet
572
00:23:14,643 --> 00:23:17,021
the teachers, my mom would have
573
00:23:17,021 --> 00:23:20,149
to tell the teacher
and let me know
574
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:23,569
that if a man comes--
575
00:23:23,569 --> 00:23:26,155
Emily's father--
she is not to leave
576
00:23:26,155 --> 00:23:27,573
under any circumstances.
577
00:23:27,573 --> 00:23:29,325
[harmonica playing]
- I used to think
578
00:23:29,325 --> 00:23:31,202
he was always going
to kidnap me.
579
00:23:31,202 --> 00:23:33,162
I always thought
that he was gonna be out there
580
00:23:33,162 --> 00:23:36,456
and make a big scene
and try to get me.
581
00:23:36,456 --> 00:23:39,168
- The whole time after I went
to the DEA I'm thinking,
582
00:23:39,168 --> 00:23:41,295
"They're investigating him,
they're looking into this.
583
00:23:41,295 --> 00:23:43,089
Something's gonna happen."
584
00:23:43,089 --> 00:23:45,091
It had seemed to me that things
just weren't moving
585
00:23:45,091 --> 00:23:47,927
or going anywhere, um,
until Detective Luken
586
00:23:47,927 --> 00:23:49,427
was put on the case.
587
00:23:49,427 --> 00:23:52,639
When he came in,I felt things turn.
588
00:23:52,639 --> 00:23:55,433
- The case had kind of
gone cold and I had joined
589
00:23:55,433 --> 00:23:57,311
the Warren County
Drug Task Force.
590
00:23:57,311 --> 00:24:00,981
And my boss asked me
to reopen the case in 2002.
591
00:24:00,981 --> 00:24:03,567
We knew that he wasstealing drugs from patients
592
00:24:03,567 --> 00:24:07,029
to feed his addiction.
593
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:08,739
He was a pathological liar.
594
00:24:08,739 --> 00:24:10,991
He had no conscience.
595
00:24:10,991 --> 00:24:13,660
He had no remorse,
and that's what made John
596
00:24:13,660 --> 00:24:17,873
so dangerous.
597
00:24:17,873 --> 00:24:19,166
[Tonia] He had a perfect life,you know, with me.
598
00:24:19,166 --> 00:24:21,085
It--it really broke my heart,
599
00:24:21,085 --> 00:24:23,712
and it--it broke my spirit,
you know,
600
00:24:23,712 --> 00:24:25,381
as a--as a good person
601
00:24:25,381 --> 00:24:27,925
just trying to do
the right thing and--
602
00:24:27,925 --> 00:24:29,302
and have a good life.
603
00:24:29,302 --> 00:24:32,470
And--and so I--I wasn't
necessarily angry.
604
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:34,181
I was broken.
605
00:24:38,978 --> 00:24:41,563
- John Meehan movedfrom state to state,
606
00:24:41,563 --> 00:24:44,233
city to city,county to county
607
00:24:44,233 --> 00:24:45,401
for decades.
608
00:24:45,401 --> 00:24:47,903
Many women were terrorized.
609
00:24:47,903 --> 00:24:50,239
I think a lot of people
are still probably living
610
00:24:50,239 --> 00:24:51,991
in fear of this guy.
611
00:24:51,991 --> 00:24:54,410
He eventually wound upin Newport Beach,
612
00:24:54,410 --> 00:24:57,037
where, uh, he metDebra Newell.
613
00:24:57,037 --> 00:24:59,790
- It was aroundThanksgiving time
614
00:24:59,790 --> 00:25:02,751
and I had moved
to Balboa Island.
615
00:25:02,751 --> 00:25:05,296
I had always wanted to live
on the ocean.
616
00:25:05,296 --> 00:25:07,673
John is moving his items
617
00:25:07,673 --> 00:25:09,216
into my home.
618
00:25:09,216 --> 00:25:12,011
It was movingway too fast for me,
619
00:25:12,011 --> 00:25:14,638
but he made me feel like--
620
00:25:14,638 --> 00:25:16,223
wonderful.
621
00:25:16,223 --> 00:25:18,851
It was the best feeling
in the world.
622
00:25:20,936 --> 00:25:23,689
- I went to my mom's house
on Balboa.
623
00:25:23,689 --> 00:25:25,732
It was around
Thanksgiving time.
624
00:25:25,732 --> 00:25:27,943
[suspenseful music]
625
00:25:27,943 --> 00:25:30,488
I went into my mom's room
626
00:25:30,488 --> 00:25:33,240
and I just saw his stuffall in there,
627
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,534
and it seemed likehe was moving in there.
628
00:25:36,534 --> 00:25:39,163
I noticed that there was a box
629
00:25:39,163 --> 00:25:40,706
in the closet.
630
00:25:40,706 --> 00:25:42,666
♪
631
00:25:42,666 --> 00:25:44,460
I quickly shut the door,
632
00:25:44,460 --> 00:25:46,544
because I didn't want him
633
00:25:46,544 --> 00:25:50,216
to see me snoop throughhis stuff.
634
00:25:50,216 --> 00:25:53,260
On top of the box it had
a nursing certificate.
635
00:25:53,260 --> 00:25:54,470
♪
636
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:56,222
He said he was a doctor.
637
00:25:56,222 --> 00:25:58,724
I just didn't appreciate
being lied to.
638
00:26:02,228 --> 00:26:05,939
I then confronted my mom...
639
00:26:05,939 --> 00:26:08,317
saying, "Why are you
moving in with someone
640
00:26:08,317 --> 00:26:11,778
that you've only been
together two months?"
641
00:26:11,778 --> 00:26:14,198
- And I'm like, "Well, Terra,
642
00:26:14,198 --> 00:26:15,782
"you know, this is my life.
643
00:26:15,782 --> 00:26:18,202
You know,
please let me live it."
644
00:26:18,202 --> 00:26:19,661
♪
645
00:26:19,661 --> 00:26:21,455
- He came up behind my mom
646
00:26:21,455 --> 00:26:23,749
and started screaming at me.
647
00:26:23,749 --> 00:26:26,168
- [muffled shouting]
648
00:26:26,168 --> 00:26:28,628
- John said, "Don't talk
to your mom that way."
649
00:26:28,628 --> 00:26:30,756
She said,"You're not even a doctor
650
00:26:30,756 --> 00:26:32,674
"like you say you are.
651
00:26:32,674 --> 00:26:34,260
I read your degree."
652
00:26:34,260 --> 00:26:35,553
- [muffled shouting]
653
00:26:35,553 --> 00:26:38,472
- John accused me
that I wanted my mom
654
00:26:38,472 --> 00:26:40,224
all to myself
655
00:26:40,224 --> 00:26:43,436
and that I didn't want her
to be happy
656
00:26:43,436 --> 00:26:45,563
and that I was just jealous.
657
00:26:45,563 --> 00:26:48,648
And then I told my mom,
I'm like, "I don't understand
658
00:26:48,648 --> 00:26:51,318
"why you're letting him
talk to me this way.
659
00:26:51,318 --> 00:26:53,320
"I can't stay here.
660
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:54,612
I just need to go."
661
00:26:54,612 --> 00:26:56,949
And then I packed up my stuff
662
00:26:56,949 --> 00:26:59,368
and got out of there.
663
00:26:59,368 --> 00:27:00,578
[door slams]
664
00:27:02,204 --> 00:27:03,663
- Terra left.
665
00:27:03,663 --> 00:27:06,584
I confronted John,
but he had an answer
666
00:27:06,584 --> 00:27:08,377
for everything.
667
00:27:09,836 --> 00:27:12,381
He said that he didn't lie.
668
00:27:12,381 --> 00:27:14,300
He had his doctorate.
669
00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:16,218
They're basically
the same thing,
670
00:27:16,218 --> 00:27:18,512
but one is under the nurses
671
00:27:18,512 --> 00:27:21,181
and one is under a doctor's.
672
00:27:21,181 --> 00:27:24,768
And he said, "But we both
put people to sleep."
673
00:27:24,768 --> 00:27:28,355
John was so persuasive.
674
00:27:28,355 --> 00:27:29,731
I know I keep saying this,
675
00:27:29,731 --> 00:27:32,025
but he was that good.
676
00:27:32,025 --> 00:27:35,154
I believed him.
677
00:27:35,154 --> 00:27:38,198
- I thought John wanted me
out of there
678
00:27:38,198 --> 00:27:41,743
and he wanted my mom
all to himself.
679
00:27:41,743 --> 00:27:44,330
- My sister called me
and said that she had
680
00:27:44,330 --> 00:27:46,039
a big blow-out fight with John.
681
00:27:46,039 --> 00:27:48,626
I think him showingso much authority
682
00:27:48,626 --> 00:27:50,628
when he didn't really have
a place to do it
683
00:27:50,628 --> 00:27:52,588
was also upsetting.
684
00:27:52,588 --> 00:27:55,174
John was trying
to exert control
685
00:27:55,174 --> 00:27:56,842
in the situation.
686
00:27:56,842 --> 00:27:58,469
[somber music]
687
00:27:58,469 --> 00:28:00,220
[Debra] This was sucha difficult time
688
00:28:00,220 --> 00:28:03,140
in my life because...
689
00:28:03,140 --> 00:28:05,767
I love my kids...
690
00:28:05,767 --> 00:28:09,605
and I had fallen in love
with John,
691
00:28:09,605 --> 00:28:12,441
so I decided to go
to a therapist.
692
00:28:12,441 --> 00:28:14,860
From John's standpoint--what he was telling
693
00:28:14,860 --> 00:28:17,863
the therapist--
my kid were spoiled.
694
00:28:17,863 --> 00:28:20,324
That there needed
to be boundaries.
695
00:28:20,324 --> 00:28:23,452
The boundaries consisted...
696
00:28:23,452 --> 00:28:25,621
of not having my kids
697
00:28:25,621 --> 00:28:28,207
attend Thanksgiving
698
00:28:28,207 --> 00:28:30,209
if they were gonna have
this kind of behavior.
699
00:28:30,209 --> 00:28:31,751
♪
700
00:28:31,751 --> 00:28:33,629
[Terra]I was heartbroken.
701
00:28:33,629 --> 00:28:36,714
I felt like I was being
kicked out of her house.
702
00:28:36,714 --> 00:28:38,842
I stopped talking to my mom
703
00:28:38,842 --> 00:28:40,927
for a while after this.
704
00:28:40,927 --> 00:28:44,473
My mom picked John over me.
705
00:28:44,473 --> 00:28:46,517
- When you're looking
to control someone
706
00:28:46,517 --> 00:28:49,102
you don't want daughters
and sisters
707
00:28:49,102 --> 00:28:52,648
and mothers
and people interfering
708
00:28:49,102 --> 00:28:52,648
in the relationship.
709
00:28:52,648 --> 00:28:55,108
In most of these cases
you see isolation.
710
00:28:55,108 --> 00:28:57,903
They never say,
"I'm done with all this
711
00:28:55,108 --> 00:28:57,903
Romeo and Juliet stuff.
712
00:28:57,903 --> 00:29:00,573
I'm gonna move to stage two:
isolation."
713
00:29:00,573 --> 00:29:04,159
It--it's a very subtle
and nuanced thing that happens.
714
00:29:04,159 --> 00:29:06,704
[Debra] I was hoping my kidswould come around.
715
00:29:06,704 --> 00:29:09,998
I was still tryingto do anything I could
716
00:29:09,998 --> 00:29:11,584
to reach out to 'em.
717
00:29:11,584 --> 00:29:13,835
I just couldn't understand
why they couldn't be
718
00:29:13,835 --> 00:29:16,547
happy for me.
719
00:29:16,547 --> 00:29:19,966
[Goffard] John Meehan had beenpracticing for this role
720
00:29:19,966 --> 00:29:21,260
for a long time.
721
00:29:21,260 --> 00:29:22,761
He was a veteran con man.
722
00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:24,263
He knew what buttons to push.
723
00:29:24,263 --> 00:29:26,724
He knew how
to manipulate Debra.
724
00:29:26,724 --> 00:29:28,850
- He would take my cars out
725
00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:30,394
and run errands for me.
726
00:29:30,394 --> 00:29:32,938
He was getting my dry cleaning,
727
00:29:32,938 --> 00:29:35,274
going to the grocery store,
728
00:29:35,274 --> 00:29:37,359
going to the bank,
you name it.
729
00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:38,860
Anything that I needed done
730
00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:41,572
he was right there to assist.
731
00:29:41,572 --> 00:29:44,950
There were so many things
that just didn't make sense
732
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:47,369
and that were just bad
about him.
733
00:29:47,369 --> 00:29:49,496
Nothing added up.
734
00:29:49,496 --> 00:29:51,582
If he saw an opportunity
735
00:29:51,582 --> 00:29:53,459
he was going to take it.
736
00:29:53,459 --> 00:29:56,878
- John started telling me
within probably the third date
737
00:29:56,878 --> 00:29:58,880
that he was in love with me
738
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,717
and that I was his soul mate.
739
00:30:01,717 --> 00:30:05,011
And he kept saying, you know,
"I--I want to marry you.
740
00:30:05,011 --> 00:30:07,681
"I wanna grow old with you.
741
00:30:07,681 --> 00:30:09,975
I wanna die in your arms."
742
00:30:09,975 --> 00:30:12,394
And he would do this
743
00:30:12,394 --> 00:30:14,438
several times a day.
744
00:30:14,438 --> 00:30:16,649
[Terra] I knew somethingwasn't right.
745
00:30:16,649 --> 00:30:20,402
I was honestly depressed
at that point in my life.
746
00:30:20,402 --> 00:30:23,530
John tore our family apart.
747
00:30:23,530 --> 00:30:25,240
[Debra] I had to go to Vegas.
748
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,200
I was doing a clubhouseout there.
749
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,245
Design and furniture
and all that.
750
00:30:30,245 --> 00:30:33,666
He didn't like me driving
at dark or--
751
00:30:33,666 --> 00:30:36,918
and I looked at it as,
"Oh, he's so protective."
752
00:30:36,918 --> 00:30:38,504
Not controlling.
753
00:30:38,504 --> 00:30:40,589
And so he would drive meto the job sites.
754
00:30:40,589 --> 00:30:42,758
He said to me, "Why don't we
just get married?"
755
00:30:42,758 --> 00:30:44,926
And I'm like, "No, no, no,
it's too soon.
756
00:30:44,926 --> 00:30:46,261
"Too soon.
757
00:30:46,261 --> 00:30:47,763
I can't do this yet."
758
00:30:47,763 --> 00:30:49,765
He said,
"Please, please, please."
759
00:30:49,765 --> 00:30:51,391
He kept saying,
"Please, please.
760
00:30:51,391 --> 00:30:54,478
For me.
What do you have to lose?"
761
00:30:54,478 --> 00:30:56,938
There was just this lump...
762
00:30:56,938 --> 00:30:58,482
in my stomach.
763
00:30:58,482 --> 00:31:00,359
And I'm thinking,
"What am I doing?"
764
00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:03,362
We'd only been datinga few months.
765
00:31:03,362 --> 00:31:04,697
"Why am I doing this?
766
00:31:04,697 --> 00:31:07,866
Oh, everyone's gonna kill me."
767
00:31:07,866 --> 00:31:09,785
[applause]
768
00:31:11,411 --> 00:31:13,706
♪
769
00:31:13,706 --> 00:31:16,208
John drove me to a lot
of job sites.
770
00:31:16,208 --> 00:31:17,959
One of our trips
771
00:31:17,959 --> 00:31:21,129
I had to go to Vegas, so...
772
00:31:21,129 --> 00:31:24,842
he said to me, "Why don't we
just get married?"
773
00:31:24,842 --> 00:31:27,469
- John Meehan and Debra Newellwent off to Vegas
774
00:31:27,469 --> 00:31:30,889
when she was at a vulnerable
place in her life and...
775
00:31:30,889 --> 00:31:32,974
just about everything
that he said to her
776
00:31:32,974 --> 00:31:34,727
to attract her was a lie.
777
00:31:34,727 --> 00:31:37,479
[woman]
Debra, will you take John
778
00:31:34,727 --> 00:31:37,479
to be your wedded husband,
779
00:31:37,479 --> 00:31:39,481
to live together
in bonds of marriage?
780
00:31:39,481 --> 00:31:42,192
Will you love him, comfort him,
honor, and keep him
781
00:31:42,192 --> 00:31:44,444
so long as you both shall live?
782
00:31:44,444 --> 00:31:46,655
- Yes.
- Please face each other
783
00:31:46,655 --> 00:31:48,657
and hold hands.
[laughter]
784
00:31:48,657 --> 00:31:50,992
- Only two months
after they meet, uh,
785
00:31:50,992 --> 00:31:52,994
they're in Las Vegas
and they're married.
786
00:31:52,994 --> 00:31:55,497
It was whirlwind situation.
787
00:31:55,497 --> 00:31:57,666
- John, please repeat after me.
- Okay.
788
00:31:57,666 --> 00:31:59,167
- I, John...
- I, John...
789
00:31:59,167 --> 00:32:00,836
- Take Debra...
- Take Debra...
790
00:32:00,836 --> 00:32:03,004
- To be my wedded wife...
- To be my wedded wife...
791
00:32:03,004 --> 00:32:06,425
- I can't explain it,
but I knew it was wrong.
792
00:32:06,425 --> 00:32:08,552
It wasn't the right timing,
793
00:32:08,552 --> 00:32:10,262
but I did it anyway.
794
00:32:10,262 --> 00:32:12,055
[woman]
Oh, my gosh.
795
00:32:12,055 --> 00:32:14,266
- Aww!
[overlapping chatter]
796
00:32:14,266 --> 00:32:17,185
- I didn't tell any
of my family members.
797
00:32:17,185 --> 00:32:19,104
Um...
798
00:32:19,104 --> 00:32:21,815
nobody knew.
799
00:32:21,815 --> 00:32:23,942
- I learned way after the fact
800
00:32:23,942 --> 00:32:26,027
that John married my mom.
801
00:32:26,027 --> 00:32:27,946
Started crying,
802
00:32:27,946 --> 00:32:31,157
bawling my eyes out.
- It was alarming to find out
803
00:32:31,157 --> 00:32:33,619
that she had married him
at that point
804
00:32:33,619 --> 00:32:36,955
because it just made it
so much harder to end things.
805
00:32:36,955 --> 00:32:39,875
It was the start
of when I really felt like
806
00:32:39,875 --> 00:32:42,043
we were in danger.
807
00:32:45,255 --> 00:32:48,842
- [Goffard]John Meehan was a cunning
808
00:32:45,255 --> 00:32:48,842
and manipulative person.
809
00:32:48,842 --> 00:32:50,677
The number of people
that he did exactly
810
00:32:50,677 --> 00:32:53,639
the same thing to
is, uh, astonishing,
811
00:32:53,639 --> 00:32:56,141
and I think that
I probably only heard
812
00:32:56,141 --> 00:32:58,477
from a handful of them
compared to the victims
813
00:32:58,477 --> 00:33:00,562
he has out therewho are embarrassed
814
00:33:00,562 --> 00:33:02,648
or ashamed or frightened
815
00:33:02,648 --> 00:33:04,232
of talking about it.
816
00:33:04,232 --> 00:33:06,777
[woman] I met John online.
817
00:33:06,777 --> 00:33:09,070
His profile said that
he was single,
818
00:33:09,070 --> 00:33:13,032
that he was a doctor--
an anesthesiologist.
819
00:33:13,032 --> 00:33:15,076
Uh, just a great profile,
820
00:33:15,076 --> 00:33:18,705
everything you want
to see in a man.
821
00:33:18,705 --> 00:33:21,207
I didn't have a high opinion
of myself.
822
00:33:21,207 --> 00:33:23,627
I was divorced, I had two
small children,
823
00:33:23,627 --> 00:33:25,712
and he made me feel
like a princess.
824
00:33:25,712 --> 00:33:28,924
- John Meehan very much used
dating sites
825
00:33:28,924 --> 00:33:30,550
as a fishing pool.
826
00:33:30,550 --> 00:33:33,720
He had a particular typology
that he was after,
827
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,597
women who were affluent.
828
00:33:35,597 --> 00:33:37,808
It became, uh, sort of
an addiction for him.
829
00:33:37,808 --> 00:33:40,894
The same as drugs
were an addiction for him.
830
00:33:40,894 --> 00:33:44,523
- I think John was looking
for people exactly like me,
831
00:33:44,523 --> 00:33:48,067
who might need him,
who had a little money
832
00:33:44,523 --> 00:33:48,067
of their own.
833
00:33:48,067 --> 00:33:53,573
People who would fall for
his charm-- and that was me.
834
00:33:53,573 --> 00:33:56,075
When John and I went to Mexicowe had been dating
835
00:33:56,075 --> 00:33:57,786
for about three months.
836
00:33:57,786 --> 00:34:00,831
He claimed that he had
a convention down there.
837
00:34:00,831 --> 00:34:03,750
Uh, he just asked me
if I wanted to go, be with him.
838
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:07,086
Like, "Wow, okay,
so now this beautiful man
839
00:34:07,086 --> 00:34:08,964
is taking me on a trip."
840
00:34:08,964 --> 00:34:10,966
Day one I'm like,"This is awesome.
841
00:34:10,966 --> 00:34:13,343
The weather was beautiful,the hotel was beautiful.
842
00:34:13,343 --> 00:34:15,679
"I am going to have
a great time."
843
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:17,723
Day two...
844
00:34:17,723 --> 00:34:19,265
let me tell you about day two.
845
00:34:19,265 --> 00:34:22,227
John said that he had
to leave for a little bit,
846
00:34:22,227 --> 00:34:24,103
that his back hurt.
847
00:34:24,103 --> 00:34:25,814
Okay.
848
00:34:25,814 --> 00:34:27,900
He came backwith a vial of drugs,
849
00:34:27,900 --> 00:34:30,819
wrapped a belt
around his ankle,
850
00:34:30,819 --> 00:34:33,321
and he inserted the drugs
with a hypodermic needle
851
00:34:33,321 --> 00:34:35,156
between his toes.
852
00:34:35,156 --> 00:34:37,242
Now I'm like,
853
00:34:37,242 --> 00:34:38,869
"What is going on here?
854
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:40,161
I know that's not right."
855
00:34:40,161 --> 00:34:41,955
I felt like I was in danger.
856
00:34:41,955 --> 00:34:43,540
Like...
857
00:34:43,540 --> 00:34:44,833
who is he?
858
00:34:44,833 --> 00:34:46,043
What is he going to do?
859
00:34:46,043 --> 00:34:49,046
I'm scared, but I'm also...
860
00:34:49,046 --> 00:34:51,715
a very brave person.
861
00:34:51,715 --> 00:34:54,426
He asked me to take himto the hospital.
862
00:34:54,426 --> 00:34:56,636
He knew just what to say
to go to the hospital
863
00:34:56,636 --> 00:34:58,346
and get the drugs
that he needed.
864
00:34:58,346 --> 00:35:00,098
John Meehan had
a drug addiction
865
00:35:00,098 --> 00:35:01,934
going back decades.
866
00:35:01,934 --> 00:35:04,185
It seemed to get worse
and worse.
867
00:35:04,185 --> 00:35:05,938
This is insane.
868
00:35:05,938 --> 00:35:07,647
There is something wrong.
869
00:35:07,647 --> 00:35:09,900
He--he has to be
a drug addict.
870
00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:12,193
I want to make sureI get home safely.
871
00:35:12,193 --> 00:35:15,781
When I leave Mexico,John is still in the hospital.
872
00:35:15,781 --> 00:35:18,199
I drove home,
getting all of my luggage out,
873
00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:20,452
and John's gym bag is in there.
874
00:35:20,452 --> 00:35:22,871
And his gym bag had spilled...
875
00:35:22,871 --> 00:35:25,040
and I found vials.
876
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,833
I don't know what they are,
but they're like
877
00:35:26,833 --> 00:35:29,335
little tiny vials,
and I'm like, "You know what?
878
00:35:29,335 --> 00:35:30,796
This looks like a drug."
879
00:35:30,796 --> 00:35:34,633
I also found a card--
business card--
880
00:35:34,633 --> 00:35:37,218
that had his ex-wife's name
on it.
881
00:35:37,218 --> 00:35:40,430
So I called Toniathe next day.
882
00:35:40,430 --> 00:35:42,975
- I'd been separated, um,
from John
883
00:35:42,975 --> 00:35:45,894
for approximately a year,
living in a new home,
884
00:35:45,894 --> 00:35:48,105
and I randomly get a call
from a woman saying
885
00:35:48,105 --> 00:35:51,149
that she has travelled
to, um, Cancun
886
00:35:51,149 --> 00:35:54,027
with John and, uh, asking me
887
00:35:54,027 --> 00:35:55,737
a lot of questions about him.
888
00:35:55,737 --> 00:35:58,115
I said, "You need to callDetective Luken."
889
00:35:58,115 --> 00:36:00,993
Seven days later,
after I open this case,
890
00:36:00,993 --> 00:36:03,161
luck would have it,
I get a call from Meg.
891
00:36:03,161 --> 00:36:07,707
He told me that there had
to be drugs in John's house.
892
00:36:07,707 --> 00:36:09,960
He was afraid there were
weapons in the house.
893
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,712
He told me that they had been
trying to get John
894
00:36:12,712 --> 00:36:14,756
for months and months.
895
00:36:14,756 --> 00:36:16,925
He asked me if I wouldgo into the house
896
00:36:16,925 --> 00:36:19,052
and see if I could findany drugs.
897
00:36:19,052 --> 00:36:21,346
I had a key.
898
00:36:21,346 --> 00:36:24,016
I'm going through the house.
899
00:36:24,016 --> 00:36:27,310
I know John's in Mexico...
900
00:36:27,310 --> 00:36:29,354
but I kept thinking,"He's gonna come up
901
00:36:29,354 --> 00:36:31,857
right behind me."
902
00:36:31,857 --> 00:36:35,152
Inside, I was trembling.
903
00:36:35,152 --> 00:36:37,988
And I just happened
to look up...
904
00:36:37,988 --> 00:36:40,907
and there was an attic door.
905
00:36:40,907 --> 00:36:43,994
And it wasn't
put in place right.
906
00:36:43,994 --> 00:36:47,205
It looked like someonehad been up there recently.
907
00:36:47,205 --> 00:36:49,624
I was so afraid to stick
my head up there.
908
00:36:49,624 --> 00:36:51,501
Stuck my head up there,
909
00:36:51,501 --> 00:36:54,212
and it was chock full
of empty vials.
910
00:36:54,212 --> 00:36:56,381
♪
911
00:36:56,381 --> 00:36:59,092
There were vials stuckin the gym shoes,
912
00:36:59,092 --> 00:37:02,179
there were vials everywhere.
913
00:37:02,179 --> 00:37:04,181
I couldn't believe it.
914
00:37:04,181 --> 00:37:06,307
Like, "This is really true,
915
00:37:06,307 --> 00:37:08,894
"and this man is now going
to kill me
916
00:37:08,894 --> 00:37:11,021
because I helped."
917
00:37:11,021 --> 00:37:13,065
I don't think I was outthe front door
918
00:37:13,065 --> 00:37:16,109
before I called Dennis
and said, "I found it.
919
00:37:16,109 --> 00:37:17,736
I found everything."
920
00:37:17,736 --> 00:37:19,779
He said, "We need to geta search warrant.
921
00:37:19,779 --> 00:37:22,323
Will you be willing
to go in front of the judge?"
922
00:37:22,323 --> 00:37:25,368
If you want a search warrant,
then yes.
923
00:37:25,368 --> 00:37:26,995
[Luken] When I didthe search warrant
924
00:37:26,995 --> 00:37:29,164
on his house, I founda Ruger 9mm.
925
00:37:29,164 --> 00:37:32,209
Well, he was not allowed
to possess that
926
00:37:32,209 --> 00:37:33,960
because he was on probation
927
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,962
from where he had
threatened Tonia.
928
00:37:35,962 --> 00:37:38,256
[John, recording]Tonia, you enjoy your time
929
00:37:38,256 --> 00:37:40,383
left on this Earth, okay?
930
00:37:40,383 --> 00:37:43,302
- I think John's crimes
and arrogance about it
931
00:37:43,302 --> 00:37:46,848
were so egregious
that, uh, Detective Luken
932
00:37:46,848 --> 00:37:49,684
just was not gonna
let this case or this guy go.
933
00:37:49,684 --> 00:37:51,937
They revoked his probation,
934
00:37:51,937 --> 00:37:53,521
they arrested him.
935
00:37:53,521 --> 00:37:56,233
I went up to the
Montgomery County Jail
936
00:37:56,233 --> 00:37:58,484
to interview him.
937
00:37:58,484 --> 00:38:01,863
John denied taking drugsfrom the hospitals.
938
00:38:01,863 --> 00:38:03,782
He also stated
at that point and time,
939
00:38:03,782 --> 00:38:05,366
"I could show you
four hundred ways
940
00:38:05,366 --> 00:38:07,077
to steal drugs
from a hospital."
941
00:38:07,077 --> 00:38:09,913
John had all the traitsof a psychopath.
942
00:38:09,913 --> 00:38:11,831
It was all about control.
943
00:38:11,831 --> 00:38:14,000
John was the most dangerous,
944
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,877
treacherous, devious,
945
00:38:15,877 --> 00:38:19,047
deceptive individual
that I ever prosecuted
946
00:38:19,047 --> 00:38:21,883
in 40 years of law enforcement.
947
00:38:21,883 --> 00:38:24,219
[Tonia] I was in the courtroomwhen John was sentenced,
948
00:38:24,219 --> 00:38:27,472
and he requested time
to make arrangements
949
00:38:27,472 --> 00:38:29,266
for his two dogs.
950
00:38:29,266 --> 00:38:31,684
And then he was to show
on Monday morning at 10:00
951
00:38:31,684 --> 00:38:34,229
for his sentencing.
952
00:38:34,229 --> 00:38:37,149
[Luken]
So he's out on bond during
953
00:38:34,229 --> 00:38:37,149
this whole point in time.
954
00:38:37,149 --> 00:38:39,025
He's gotta do something.
955
00:38:39,025 --> 00:38:42,070
He wants to get that last high
or last fix or whatever,
956
00:38:42,070 --> 00:38:43,989
so John, out of desperation,
957
00:38:43,989 --> 00:38:47,284
drove to Saginaw, Michigan,where he then stole
958
00:38:47,284 --> 00:38:51,246
anesthesia kits from threedifferent hospitals.
959
00:38:51,246 --> 00:38:53,498
[phone ringing]
960
00:38:53,498 --> 00:38:56,375
- That Monday I got a callfrom Detective Luken,
961
00:38:56,375 --> 00:38:58,878
and what he said to me was,
962
00:38:58,878 --> 00:39:01,256
"Tonia, John did not show
963
00:39:01,256 --> 00:39:03,591
"for his sentencing,
and they sometimes
964
00:39:03,591 --> 00:39:06,136
take hostages."
965
00:39:06,136 --> 00:39:09,306
- She needs to run like hell
and get away from John.
966
00:39:09,306 --> 00:39:11,183
- And he said, "I want youto go get your children
967
00:39:11,183 --> 00:39:14,060
out of daycare and school
and go hide."
968
00:39:14,060 --> 00:39:15,812
♪
969
00:39:15,812 --> 00:39:18,231
And I thought, "Oh, my God,
he's coming over here."
970
00:39:18,231 --> 00:39:20,066
You know, "He's coming
to the house
971
00:39:20,066 --> 00:39:22,152
and he's gonna do something
to me."
972
00:39:28,533 --> 00:39:30,618
[Tonia] I got a callfrom Detective Luken.
973
00:39:30,618 --> 00:39:33,412
He said that John did not show
for his sentencing,
974
00:39:33,412 --> 00:39:35,623
and he said, "I want you to go
get your children
975
00:39:35,623 --> 00:39:38,293
out of daycare and school
and go hide."
976
00:39:38,293 --> 00:39:40,212
[dramatic music]
977
00:39:40,212 --> 00:39:43,381
And I thought, "Oh, my God,
he's coming over here."
978
00:39:43,381 --> 00:39:45,258
He's coming to the house
and he's gonna
979
00:39:45,258 --> 00:39:46,509
do something to me.
980
00:39:46,509 --> 00:39:48,845
I just felt, uh,
a visceral, you know--
981
00:39:48,845 --> 00:39:50,305
I was frightened.
982
00:39:52,557 --> 00:39:54,142
[engine turns over]
983
00:39:55,810 --> 00:39:58,230
I always thought that, like,
he was gonna try
984
00:39:58,230 --> 00:40:00,357
to, like, come and get us
just to get back at my mom.
985
00:40:00,357 --> 00:40:02,525
And I got scared.
986
00:40:02,525 --> 00:40:04,777
John wants to get
that last high or last fix.
987
00:40:04,777 --> 00:40:06,946
He went to three
different hospitals
988
00:40:06,946 --> 00:40:09,115
where he had worked,
and he was able
989
00:40:09,115 --> 00:40:11,743
to gain anesthesia kits.
990
00:40:11,743 --> 00:40:13,953
The following morning,the cleaning attendant
991
00:40:13,953 --> 00:40:16,622
for the hotelat Comfort Suites in Michigan
992
00:40:16,622 --> 00:40:18,457
finds him in a room
993
00:40:18,457 --> 00:40:20,459
in a semiconscious state.
994
00:40:20,459 --> 00:40:22,045
Calls the paramedics.
995
00:40:22,045 --> 00:40:24,172
They're gonna transport him
to a hospital.
996
00:40:24,172 --> 00:40:26,632
[sirens wailing]
997
00:40:26,632 --> 00:40:29,844
[dramatic music]
998
00:40:29,844 --> 00:40:32,430
[Goffard] He jumped outof the ambulance,
999
00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:35,058
ran into a local, uh,
department store
1000
00:40:35,058 --> 00:40:37,185
climbed up an elevator shaft,
1001
00:40:37,185 --> 00:40:40,105
and fought like hellas the cops tried
1002
00:40:40,105 --> 00:40:41,522
to climb up and get him.
1003
00:40:41,522 --> 00:40:42,982
He was not afraidto use violence,
1004
00:40:42,982 --> 00:40:45,360
and I think he was capable
of murder.
1005
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,071
- One of the officers was able
to grab John
1006
00:40:48,071 --> 00:40:50,282
and they both fell
about 10 to 12 feet
1007
00:40:50,282 --> 00:40:52,409
on top of the elevator.
1008
00:40:52,409 --> 00:40:54,619
So at that pointJohn was placed under arrest
1009
00:40:54,619 --> 00:40:56,955
for the theft of thoseanesthesia kits.
1010
00:40:56,955 --> 00:40:59,498
Oh, when I found out that--
1011
00:40:59,498 --> 00:41:01,418
that he was arrested
in Michigan,
1012
00:41:01,418 --> 00:41:05,046
it felt like a ton of bricks
was lifted off my shoulder.
1013
00:41:05,046 --> 00:41:08,466
and I thought, "I'm gonna have
some peace for at least,
1014
00:41:08,466 --> 00:41:11,010
"you know, 21 months
or two years.
1015
00:41:11,010 --> 00:41:15,098
"I can breathe.
I don't have to be looking
1016
00:41:11,010 --> 00:41:15,098
over my shoulder."
1017
00:41:15,098 --> 00:41:17,516
[Luken]John had no criminal record
1018
00:41:15,098 --> 00:41:17,516
at that point in time.
1019
00:41:17,516 --> 00:41:20,145
And in Ohio,
if you successfully complete
1020
00:41:20,145 --> 00:41:23,148
a treatment programyou don't go to jail,
1021
00:41:23,148 --> 00:41:24,774
and it's gonna be removed
from your record.
1022
00:41:24,774 --> 00:41:28,111
John always had a way
of escaping things.
1023
00:41:28,111 --> 00:41:29,779
That's our criminaljustice system.
1024
00:41:29,779 --> 00:41:31,197
Everybody thinks thateverybody
1025
00:41:31,197 --> 00:41:32,657
can be rehabilitated.
1026
00:41:32,657 --> 00:41:34,826
John was not somebody
you can rehabilitate.
1027
00:41:34,826 --> 00:41:37,162
He was the worst of the worst.
1028
00:41:37,162 --> 00:41:38,537
♪
1029
00:41:38,537 --> 00:41:41,207
- Dennis Luken saw
what a lot of people
1030
00:41:41,207 --> 00:41:43,251
in the justice system did not.
1031
00:41:43,251 --> 00:41:46,671
That, uh, John Meehan
was a fundamentally
1032
00:41:46,671 --> 00:41:49,757
different creature
from a lot of the people
1033
00:41:49,757 --> 00:41:52,302
that the system is designed
to deal with.
1034
00:41:52,302 --> 00:41:54,804
- He needed those drugs.
That was John's obsession.
1035
00:41:54,804 --> 00:41:56,514
He had to have those drugs.
1036
00:41:56,514 --> 00:41:58,766
And if that means stealing,
hurting someone,
1037
00:41:58,766 --> 00:42:01,186
terrorizing some--
John's gonna do it.
1038
00:42:03,438 --> 00:42:05,898
- When John found out my name
was on the search warrant,
1039
00:42:05,898 --> 00:42:07,859
he lost it.
1040
00:42:07,859 --> 00:42:10,987
John calls me
and tells me that
1041
00:42:10,987 --> 00:42:13,156
I'm going to regret
1042
00:42:13,156 --> 00:42:15,950
ever helpingDennis Luken.
1043
00:42:15,950 --> 00:42:18,453
He said I was a whore
and a bitch
1044
00:42:18,453 --> 00:42:20,663
and I was going
to pay for what I did.
1045
00:42:20,663 --> 00:42:23,249
He knew where my family was;
1046
00:42:23,249 --> 00:42:24,583
you know, I had small children.
1047
00:42:24,583 --> 00:42:26,836
In his threats,
his voice was so real.
1048
00:42:26,836 --> 00:42:30,798
His voice went
from this cute guy in Mexico,
1049
00:42:30,798 --> 00:42:33,551
to psycho.
1050
00:42:33,551 --> 00:42:35,387
♪
1051
00:42:35,387 --> 00:42:37,096
[Luken]He sent her postcards,
1052
00:42:37,096 --> 00:42:39,724
taunting her,harassing her.
1053
00:42:41,017 --> 00:42:43,520
Says, "How's my poor
little Meg doing?
1054
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,104
"Freedom is so tasty.
1055
00:42:45,104 --> 00:42:47,399
"But you wouldn't knowabout that.
1056
00:42:47,399 --> 00:42:49,359
How about--remember Cancun?"
1057
00:42:49,359 --> 00:42:51,486
And he signs
"D. Luken" on it.
1058
00:42:51,486 --> 00:42:53,821
It's about the control,
1059
00:42:53,821 --> 00:42:56,282
the manipulation,the terrorization.
1060
00:42:56,282 --> 00:42:58,159
You can't get away from John.
1061
00:42:58,159 --> 00:43:00,203
John's always gothis tentacles on you.
1062
00:43:02,580 --> 00:43:04,582
[Tonia]You can't escape John Meehan
1063
00:43:04,582 --> 00:43:06,543
until he's dead.
1064
00:43:06,543 --> 00:43:09,128
There's been some small
victories, maybe, for you.
1065
00:43:09,128 --> 00:43:11,548
Maybe things have gone
in your direction, you know,
1066
00:43:11,548 --> 00:43:15,176
with the law or the court,
but you never feel
1067
00:43:15,176 --> 00:43:17,720
perfectly at ease.
1068
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:20,014
[Meg] John was out of rehab.
1069
00:43:20,014 --> 00:43:22,475
I'm outside in my cute
little neighborhood--
1070
00:43:22,475 --> 00:43:24,352
very quiet
little neighborhood--
1071
00:43:24,352 --> 00:43:27,313
walking my dog,
and I go to cross the street...
1072
00:43:27,313 --> 00:43:29,732
[engine revving]
1073
00:43:29,732 --> 00:43:30,983
...and a car came at me.
1074
00:43:30,983 --> 00:43:32,902
The moment I saw the car,
1075
00:43:32,902 --> 00:43:34,320
I knew it was aiming for me.
1076
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:35,988
[revving engine]
1077
00:43:37,198 --> 00:43:38,741
And it came at me so fast.
1078
00:43:38,741 --> 00:43:41,202
I'm trying to get away,
and I can't get away.
1079
00:43:41,202 --> 00:43:43,704
[tires squealing]
1080
00:43:43,704 --> 00:43:45,415
[woman screams]
1081
00:43:45,415 --> 00:43:46,791
I got hit by the car.
1082
00:43:46,791 --> 00:43:48,126
I knew it was John.
1083
00:43:48,126 --> 00:43:50,420
I had no doubt
that it was John.
1084
00:43:50,420 --> 00:43:53,214
He knew that I was on
that search warrant,
1085
00:43:53,214 --> 00:43:57,260
he believed that I had justruined his life.
1086
00:43:57,260 --> 00:43:58,636
This guy just tried to kill me.
1087
00:43:58,636 --> 00:44:00,930
I'm miserable.
1088
00:44:00,930 --> 00:44:02,681
My leg is broken.
1089
00:44:02,681 --> 00:44:04,934
I called Dennis the next day,
1090
00:44:04,934 --> 00:44:07,853
and that's when Dennis told me
he had an alibi.
1091
00:44:07,853 --> 00:44:10,148
- He had an axe to grindwith her.
1092
00:44:10,148 --> 00:44:13,943
I knew at some point in time
either he would kill someone
1093
00:44:13,943 --> 00:44:16,321
or somebody would have
to kill him.
1094
00:44:16,321 --> 00:44:17,822
♪
1095
00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:23,744
- John Meehan evaded
law enforcement
1096
00:44:23,744 --> 00:44:25,288
year after year.
1097
00:44:25,288 --> 00:44:26,664
He seemed to have no fear
of the authorities,
1098
00:44:26,664 --> 00:44:28,249
no respect for the law.
1099
00:44:28,249 --> 00:44:29,750
By the time he marriedDebra Newell,
1100
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:32,420
he had multiple
restraining orders against him
1101
00:44:32,420 --> 00:44:34,339
filed by different women.
1102
00:44:34,339 --> 00:44:36,882
He was a chameleon,
so he molded himself
1103
00:44:36,882 --> 00:44:39,927
into whatever image
people seemed to need from him.
1104
00:44:39,927 --> 00:44:42,847
[Debra] John wasthe perfect husband.
1105
00:44:42,847 --> 00:44:45,850
He doted, and he would tell me
all the time,
1106
00:44:45,850 --> 00:44:47,602
"You have it so good.
1107
00:44:47,602 --> 00:44:49,521
I am so good to you."
1108
00:44:49,521 --> 00:44:51,814
And I'd think, "You're right,
you are."
1109
00:44:51,814 --> 00:44:54,775
It was just like
this whirlwind...
1110
00:44:54,775 --> 00:44:56,986
uh, romance.
1111
00:44:56,986 --> 00:44:59,905
During this time frame,John and Jacquelyn
1112
00:44:59,905 --> 00:45:01,616
started despising each other,
1113
00:45:01,616 --> 00:45:04,785
so John told me,
"You'd better not be
1114
00:45:04,785 --> 00:45:05,953
seeing your daughter."
1115
00:45:05,953 --> 00:45:08,289
So I would sneak to go see her.
1116
00:45:08,289 --> 00:45:10,791
Jacquelyn I was looking overmy shoulder
1117
00:45:10,791 --> 00:45:12,210
everywhere I went
1118
00:45:12,210 --> 00:45:14,546
the whole time
she was with him.
1119
00:45:14,546 --> 00:45:16,797
He was a ticking time bomb.
1120
00:45:16,797 --> 00:45:19,467
- Jacquelyn knew
he was up to no good
1121
00:45:19,467 --> 00:45:22,011
and began to research him.
1122
00:45:22,011 --> 00:45:24,430
♪
1123
00:45:24,430 --> 00:45:26,558
[Jacquelyn] I was determinedto get evidence
1124
00:45:26,558 --> 00:45:31,479
he was lying,so we put a tracker
1125
00:45:26,558 --> 00:45:31,479
on John's car.
1126
00:45:31,479 --> 00:45:34,566
I was curious about everything
that he did.
1127
00:45:34,566 --> 00:45:38,069
[Terra] I loved itwhen Jacquelyn tracked
1128
00:45:34,566 --> 00:45:38,069
his car.
1129
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:41,531
I thought, "At least someone's
doing the dirty work."
1130
00:45:41,531 --> 00:45:45,034
- [Jacquelyn] He would hit up
three or four doctors' offices
1131
00:45:45,034 --> 00:45:46,619
in one day.
1132
00:45:46,619 --> 00:45:48,829
Sometimes he would only be
at these places
1133
00:45:48,829 --> 00:45:50,747
for 30 minutes.
1134
00:45:50,747 --> 00:45:53,959
- My theory was he was getting
different drugs
1135
00:45:53,959 --> 00:45:56,337
at different doctors.
1136
00:45:56,337 --> 00:45:58,839
- And then he would go homeand be on the TV
1137
00:45:58,839 --> 00:46:00,383
playing video games.
1138
00:46:00,383 --> 00:46:01,884
He would be sleepingfor like 14
1139
00:46:01,884 --> 00:46:04,512
to 16 hours straight.
1140
00:46:04,512 --> 00:46:07,682
[Debra]Jacquelyn said something
1141
00:46:04,512 --> 00:46:07,682
to me at one point.
1142
00:46:07,682 --> 00:46:10,643
"If you knew that John was...
1143
00:46:10,643 --> 00:46:13,062
lying, would you
still love him?"
1144
00:46:14,980 --> 00:46:16,982
I said, "Yes."
1145
00:46:16,982 --> 00:46:19,527
- We thought that she might...
1146
00:46:19,527 --> 00:46:21,654
not believe us...
1147
00:46:21,654 --> 00:46:26,325
because John was so good
at manipulating her.
1148
00:46:26,325 --> 00:46:29,078
My mom was very much in love
with John.
1149
00:46:29,078 --> 00:46:31,623
She thought that he was
her soul mate.
1150
00:46:31,623 --> 00:46:32,998
♪
1151
00:46:32,998 --> 00:46:35,126
- There were little signs
along the way
1152
00:46:35,126 --> 00:46:37,420
that something wasn't right.
1153
00:46:40,339 --> 00:46:43,092
John had set up these camerasin the house.
1154
00:46:43,092 --> 00:46:45,010
One was at the front door,
1155
00:46:45,010 --> 00:46:47,639
one was outside.
1156
00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:49,641
What John didn't realize is,
1157
00:46:49,641 --> 00:46:51,976
yes, he was watching me,
1158
00:46:51,976 --> 00:46:54,687
but I could also watch him.
1159
00:46:54,687 --> 00:46:57,440
So he would leave for work
1160
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,735
in his scrubs and come back
an hour later,
1161
00:47:00,735 --> 00:47:02,528
uh, when I was gone,
1162
00:47:02,528 --> 00:47:05,948
and go up to the room
and lay down.
1163
00:47:05,948 --> 00:47:08,909
Spend the dayplaying video games
1164
00:47:08,909 --> 00:47:11,912
or on his computer.
1165
00:47:11,912 --> 00:47:15,792
I didn't want to believe it,
by any means...
1166
00:47:15,792 --> 00:47:18,169
but that's when
I started seeing,
1167
00:47:18,169 --> 00:47:20,463
"Something's not right."
1168
00:47:20,463 --> 00:47:23,466
[suspenseful music]
1169
00:47:23,466 --> 00:47:25,677
One day I walked out
1170
00:47:25,677 --> 00:47:28,638
to the mailboxand there was this letter
1171
00:47:28,638 --> 00:47:32,141
for Johnfrom a man from jail.
1172
00:47:32,141 --> 00:47:34,435
So I got the mail,
1173
00:47:34,435 --> 00:47:36,688
read this letter...
1174
00:47:36,688 --> 00:47:40,358
and it's talking about
how happy he was for John
1175
00:47:40,358 --> 00:47:43,820
that he's happily married
and has a great life
1176
00:47:43,820 --> 00:47:45,780
and that he'd turned
his life around.
1177
00:47:48,865 --> 00:47:50,409
And as I'm reading this,
1178
00:47:50,409 --> 00:47:53,996
I'm thinking,
"What is going on?"
1179
00:47:53,996 --> 00:47:55,665
♪
1180
00:47:55,665 --> 00:47:57,291
There's cameras inside.
1181
00:47:57,291 --> 00:48:00,085
He can pretty much watch mewherever he was.
1182
00:48:00,085 --> 00:48:02,714
John walks up,
1183
00:48:02,714 --> 00:48:05,007
grabs the letter.
1184
00:48:05,007 --> 00:48:07,343
Says, "You've just committeda felony.
1185
00:48:07,343 --> 00:48:08,720
You opened up my mail."
1186
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:12,557
And I said,
"John, who is this guy?"
1187
00:48:12,557 --> 00:48:15,226
He says, "How dare you
open up my mail.
1188
00:48:15,226 --> 00:48:17,019
"You are so wrong.
1189
00:48:17,019 --> 00:48:19,814
I could have you arrested
for this."
1190
00:48:19,814 --> 00:48:22,441
I remember thinking
to myself, "Oh, my gosh.
1191
00:48:22,441 --> 00:48:24,819
What have I gotten
myself into?"
1192
00:48:24,819 --> 00:48:26,987
♪
1193
00:48:28,989 --> 00:48:31,325
[tense music]
1194
00:48:31,325 --> 00:48:33,994
- I read this letter,
and it's from this man in jail.
1195
00:48:33,994 --> 00:48:36,163
John walks up,
1196
00:48:36,163 --> 00:48:37,832
grabs the letter,
1197
00:48:37,832 --> 00:48:39,124
but he turned it on me.
1198
00:48:39,124 --> 00:48:42,628
He says, "How dare you
open up my mail?"
1199
00:48:42,628 --> 00:48:44,921
He threw it on me,
what I had done,
1200
00:48:44,921 --> 00:48:48,092
and made me look like I was
just the worst person on Earth.
1201
00:48:48,092 --> 00:48:50,177
I said, "Okay, well,who is he?
1202
00:48:50,177 --> 00:48:51,387
Just tell me that much."
1203
00:48:51,387 --> 00:48:54,348
He said, "I send him
care packages."
1204
00:48:54,348 --> 00:48:57,059
"I send care packages
1205
00:48:57,059 --> 00:49:00,605
to a lot of people
that are in prison."
1206
00:49:00,605 --> 00:49:03,107
And I thought, "Oh, well,
that's a kind thing."
1207
00:49:03,107 --> 00:49:05,359
It was very difficultto live with John.
1208
00:49:05,359 --> 00:49:09,154
You have this fear,
at some point,
1209
00:49:09,154 --> 00:49:11,073
that you're doing
something wrong
1210
00:49:11,073 --> 00:49:13,075
even though you're not
doing something wrong.
1211
00:49:13,075 --> 00:49:16,454
I...
was so confused.
1212
00:49:16,454 --> 00:49:18,205
♪
1213
00:49:18,205 --> 00:49:19,540
[Richards]He was very sophisticated
1214
00:49:19,540 --> 00:49:22,251
at this brainwashing of--
of Debra.
1215
00:49:22,251 --> 00:49:25,087
You are talking about
a grown adult female
1216
00:49:25,087 --> 00:49:28,841
that is being, uh,
almost undone psychologically.
1217
00:49:28,841 --> 00:49:31,302
However, Debra in her gut knew
1218
00:49:31,302 --> 00:49:34,597
that certain things
didn't add up.
1219
00:49:34,597 --> 00:49:36,599
- I was, little by little,
1220
00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:37,892
having my suspicions.
1221
00:49:37,892 --> 00:49:41,270
I also fell in love with him,
1222
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:43,898
so I didn't want
to look at him.
1223
00:49:43,898 --> 00:49:46,108
I only wanted to see the good.
1224
00:49:46,108 --> 00:49:48,235
- It was the kind of thingthat he specialized in:
1225
00:49:48,235 --> 00:49:51,530
putting pressure on people
and manipulating them.
1226
00:49:51,530 --> 00:49:53,240
Jacquelyn in particular
1227
00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:55,075
got a very bad feelingfrom him
1228
00:49:55,075 --> 00:49:59,037
and, uh, put a tracker
on his car.
1229
00:49:59,037 --> 00:50:01,916
- My mom and I had
stopped speaking for a while
1230
00:50:01,916 --> 00:50:03,334
because of John.
1231
00:50:03,334 --> 00:50:05,670
I was still trying to dowhat I could
1232
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:08,046
to track John's whereabouts.
1233
00:50:08,046 --> 00:50:11,049
I caught John watching my mom.
1234
00:50:11,049 --> 00:50:13,886
He followed her
when she went to dinner.
1235
00:50:13,886 --> 00:50:16,347
I did not tell herbecause I didn't want her
1236
00:50:16,347 --> 00:50:20,100
to know that I still hadan eye on him.
1237
00:50:20,100 --> 00:50:23,270
One night, I could seeon the tracker
1238
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:26,273
that John's car
was across the street
1239
00:50:26,273 --> 00:50:28,192
from my high-rise.
1240
00:50:28,192 --> 00:50:31,278
He was watching me.
1241
00:50:31,278 --> 00:50:33,823
I thought I was going crazy.
1242
00:50:33,823 --> 00:50:35,908
I did not know
what John Meehan
1243
00:50:35,908 --> 00:50:38,369
was going to do,
but somebody needed
1244
00:50:38,369 --> 00:50:40,204
to stop him.
1245
00:50:43,457 --> 00:50:46,377
- For me, it was, "How can weget this guy to stop?"
1246
00:50:46,377 --> 00:50:49,338
John was an evil person.
1247
00:50:49,338 --> 00:50:51,089
The case came to my desk.
1248
00:50:51,089 --> 00:50:53,342
The suspect, named John Meehan,
1249
00:50:53,342 --> 00:50:55,720
had a dating relationship
1250
00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:57,763
with this Brazilian woman.
1251
00:50:57,763 --> 00:50:59,891
Her name isMarileide Anderson.
1252
00:50:59,891 --> 00:51:03,268
She is a accomplished author
in Brazil.
1253
00:51:03,268 --> 00:51:04,979
She's written several books.
1254
00:51:04,979 --> 00:51:07,231
She was a multimillionaire.
1255
00:51:07,231 --> 00:51:10,066
She told me
that in April of 2012
1256
00:51:10,066 --> 00:51:12,236
she had brain surgery.
1257
00:51:12,236 --> 00:51:15,239
She woke up the next morningin a haze.
1258
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,241
There was a manby her bedside
1259
00:51:17,241 --> 00:51:19,869
and he was wearing scrubs,
and he identified himself
1260
00:51:19,869 --> 00:51:21,662
as her anesthesiologist.
1261
00:51:22,788 --> 00:51:24,790
He's very charming,
1262
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:28,878
he's very good talking,
good presentation.
1263
00:51:28,878 --> 00:51:31,213
I feel
very comfortable with him.
1264
00:51:31,213 --> 00:51:33,382
[Bowman] After meetingin the hospital
1265
00:51:33,382 --> 00:51:35,426
they started a relationship.
1266
00:51:35,426 --> 00:51:37,261
Marileide was very vulnerable.
1267
00:51:37,261 --> 00:51:38,971
She had just had brain surgery.
1268
00:51:38,971 --> 00:51:41,766
She's going through a divorcewith her husband.
1269
00:51:41,766 --> 00:51:44,184
John and Marileide'semail exchanges
1270
00:51:44,184 --> 00:51:46,478
were very flirtatious
1271
00:51:46,478 --> 00:51:48,064
and very calculated in--
1272
00:51:48,064 --> 00:51:50,900
in the way
that he's grooming her
1273
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:54,779
to divulge her most
intimate information.
1274
00:51:54,779 --> 00:51:57,281
She started telling him
that she had all this money
1275
00:51:57,281 --> 00:51:59,075
in Brazil, but she was unable
1276
00:51:59,075 --> 00:52:00,868
to bring it
to the United States.
1277
00:52:00,868 --> 00:52:03,579
John told her he hada free bank account
1278
00:52:03,579 --> 00:52:06,206
and that he could take
all of her money.
1279
00:52:06,206 --> 00:52:09,125
She was going
to be transferring
1280
00:52:09,125 --> 00:52:11,169
$37 million
1281
00:52:11,169 --> 00:52:14,339
into John Meehan'sbank account.
1282
00:52:14,339 --> 00:52:16,425
Marileide reaches out
to her friend,
1283
00:52:16,425 --> 00:52:18,052
and her friend says,
1284
00:52:18,052 --> 00:52:19,845
"You've made
a horrible mistake.
1285
00:52:19,845 --> 00:52:21,889
"I don't care who the guy is,
you should have never
1286
00:52:21,889 --> 00:52:23,432
transferred your money to him."
1287
00:52:23,432 --> 00:52:25,392
So Marileide immediatelybegins the process
1288
00:52:25,392 --> 00:52:27,269
of stopping the transfer.
1289
00:52:27,269 --> 00:52:29,438
The money never came
to his account,
1290
00:52:29,438 --> 00:52:33,109
then he started to be
very mad and rude to me.
1291
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:35,402
- Once theirrelationship ended,
1292
00:52:35,402 --> 00:52:38,280
he started extorting her
for money.
1293
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,325
He tells her thatshe now owes him
1294
00:52:41,325 --> 00:52:44,244
$37,000 that she needs
1295
00:52:44,244 --> 00:52:48,958
to pay him back
for John to leave her alone.
1296
00:52:48,958 --> 00:52:52,711
[Marileide]Wherever I drive,
1297
00:52:48,958 --> 00:52:52,711
he follows me.
1298
00:52:52,711 --> 00:52:57,133
Then I have to sleep with
a knife to protect myself.
1299
00:52:58,843 --> 00:53:01,303
- So Marileide finally came
to the police department
1300
00:53:01,303 --> 00:53:05,141
because John Meehan
had broken into her house.
1301
00:53:05,141 --> 00:53:07,935
But he was just so hardto find.
1302
00:53:07,935 --> 00:53:11,438
He made himself
kind of like a ghost.
1303
00:53:11,438 --> 00:53:12,940
During the course
of the investigation
1304
00:53:12,940 --> 00:53:16,027
we learned from Marileide
that he had
1305
00:53:16,027 --> 00:53:18,154
all these physical ailments.
1306
00:53:18,154 --> 00:53:20,865
He had a chiropractorin Palm Desert.
1307
00:53:20,865 --> 00:53:22,783
Well, it was kind of
a shot in the dark
1308
00:53:22,783 --> 00:53:24,409
but went to this
chiropractic office
1309
00:53:24,409 --> 00:53:26,954
and sat in our, uh,
unmarked car.
1310
00:53:26,954 --> 00:53:28,747
[tense music]
1311
00:53:28,747 --> 00:53:31,542
And John pulls into the lot,gets out of the car.
1312
00:53:31,542 --> 00:53:33,251
♪
1313
00:53:33,251 --> 00:53:35,253
I went up to John
and badged him.
1314
00:53:35,253 --> 00:53:37,297
♪
1315
00:53:37,297 --> 00:53:40,467
Every single thing
he said to me was a lie.
1316
00:53:40,467 --> 00:53:42,302
♪
1317
00:53:42,302 --> 00:53:45,139
We arrested him for burglary,
1318
00:53:45,139 --> 00:53:47,099
extortion, stalking.
1319
00:53:47,099 --> 00:53:49,560
Inside of the car we foundpaperwork
1320
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,479
for an office buildingand an RV
1321
00:53:52,479 --> 00:53:53,772
in Cathedral City.
1322
00:53:53,772 --> 00:53:56,316
We go to the trailer
and it looks like
1323
00:53:56,316 --> 00:53:58,527
it's out of, uh,
"Breaking Bad."
1324
00:53:58,527 --> 00:54:00,362
♪
1325
00:54:00,362 --> 00:54:02,238
It's filthy.Just lots
1326
00:54:02,238 --> 00:54:04,992
of prescription drugs,needles.
1327
00:54:04,992 --> 00:54:06,869
Barely could walk around
inside of it.
1328
00:54:06,869 --> 00:54:10,246
But there is this
very, very nice computer,
1329
00:54:10,246 --> 00:54:12,499
and the entire wallpaper
1330
00:54:12,499 --> 00:54:15,002
is hundreds of JPEGs of women.
1331
00:54:15,002 --> 00:54:16,879
Clicking on the pictures
of the women
1332
00:54:16,879 --> 00:54:18,589
I immediately start
to recognize them,
1333
00:54:18,589 --> 00:54:22,218
either as Marileide
or previous girlfriends,
1334
00:54:22,218 --> 00:54:24,053
his wives.
1335
00:54:24,053 --> 00:54:25,345
♪
1336
00:54:25,345 --> 00:54:27,056
- Why he left
all this evidence around
1337
00:54:27,056 --> 00:54:29,141
is one of my, uh,
abiding questions
1338
00:54:29,141 --> 00:54:30,768
about John Meehan.
1339
00:54:30,768 --> 00:54:34,063
Maybe because he lustedafter confrontation.
1340
00:54:34,063 --> 00:54:37,399
Maybe because he kept themaround as trophies.
1341
00:54:37,399 --> 00:54:39,443
- I was very concerned.
1342
00:54:39,443 --> 00:54:42,571
In the office buildingthere was a refrigerator.
1343
00:54:42,571 --> 00:54:45,532
Crooks hide things
in their freezer.
1344
00:54:45,532 --> 00:54:48,660
Open the refrigeratorand there's a backpack.
1345
00:54:48,660 --> 00:54:51,205
Open the backpack
and inside the backpack
1346
00:54:51,205 --> 00:54:52,998
there is a revolver,
1347
00:54:52,998 --> 00:54:55,251
there's hundreds of roundsof ammo,
1348
00:54:55,251 --> 00:54:57,544
there's a bottleof cyanide capsules.
1349
00:54:57,544 --> 00:55:00,672
Pretty much a very complete
1350
00:55:00,672 --> 00:55:03,259
killing and kidnapping kit.
1351
00:55:03,259 --> 00:55:06,262
We have to throw the bookat this guy.
1352
00:55:06,262 --> 00:55:08,304
When I saw the kidnapping
and killing kit,
1353
00:55:08,304 --> 00:55:10,390
I knew that John
was capable of murder.
1354
00:55:13,727 --> 00:55:15,687
[tense music]
1355
00:55:15,687 --> 00:55:18,607
- When I saw the kidnapping
and killing kit I knew
1356
00:55:18,607 --> 00:55:21,110
that John was capable
of murder.
1357
00:55:21,110 --> 00:55:23,779
On July 2013,
1358
00:55:23,779 --> 00:55:26,657
I contacted
the domestic violence DA,
1359
00:55:26,657 --> 00:55:29,243
who said, "We have to throw
1360
00:55:29,243 --> 00:55:30,786
the book at this guy."
1361
00:55:30,786 --> 00:55:33,122
But our victim,Marileide Anderson,
1362
00:55:33,122 --> 00:55:35,791
was desperately trying
to leave the United States
1363
00:55:35,791 --> 00:55:37,709
because she was in
so much fear of him.
1364
00:55:37,709 --> 00:55:39,670
The DA was not confident
1365
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:41,713
that she would be
in the United States
1366
00:55:41,713 --> 00:55:45,843
to testify if we prolonged it
with a jury trial.
1367
00:55:45,843 --> 00:55:48,512
- I had a lot of people
call me and say,
1368
00:55:48,512 --> 00:55:51,347
"If you don't get out,
he's going to kill you."
1369
00:55:53,184 --> 00:55:55,769
[Bowman] John pledfelon in possession
1370
00:55:53,184 --> 00:55:55,769
of a firearm,
1371
00:55:55,769 --> 00:55:58,438
burglary, and stalking.
1372
00:55:58,438 --> 00:56:00,941
And he was sentenced to--
1373
00:56:00,941 --> 00:56:04,360
to jail for only two years.
1374
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,823
Two months after that,
I got a call from a deputy.
1375
00:56:07,823 --> 00:56:09,200
He said, "We have an inmate
1376
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,076
"who's put a hit out
on someone.
1377
00:56:11,076 --> 00:56:12,953
Uh, do you know someone
named Julia Bowman?"
1378
00:56:12,953 --> 00:56:14,955
And I said,
"I am Julia Bowman."
1379
00:56:14,955 --> 00:56:17,373
And he said, "Well, we havean inmate--John Meehan--
1380
00:56:17,373 --> 00:56:19,793
"who put a hit out for $10,000
1381
00:56:19,793 --> 00:56:21,879
on Julia Bowman."
1382
00:56:21,879 --> 00:56:23,964
At the same timethis was going on,
1383
00:56:23,964 --> 00:56:27,009
my boyfriend and Ihad both felt that someone
1384
00:56:27,009 --> 00:56:28,302
was following us home.
1385
00:56:28,302 --> 00:56:31,055
Several times I would see
the same car
1386
00:56:31,055 --> 00:56:32,764
right on my bumper.
1387
00:56:32,764 --> 00:56:34,892
And then as I get out of my car
the car would stop
1388
00:56:34,892 --> 00:56:36,894
in front of our house.
1389
00:56:36,894 --> 00:56:39,730
We started putting firearms
around the house
1390
00:56:39,730 --> 00:56:42,358
so that we would be able
to defend ourselves.
1391
00:56:42,358 --> 00:56:43,942
♪
1392
00:56:43,942 --> 00:56:45,485
I started havingthese vivid dreams
1393
00:56:45,485 --> 00:56:47,905
that John Meehanwas outside of my house,
1394
00:56:47,905 --> 00:56:50,490
that he was coming
to my house to kill me.
1395
00:56:50,490 --> 00:56:53,244
John was that case
that would always haunt me
1396
00:56:53,244 --> 00:56:54,786
and was never going to go away.
1397
00:56:54,786 --> 00:56:57,873
So at that moment I knew
he's not staying in jail.
1398
00:56:57,873 --> 00:56:59,375
This isn't over.
1399
00:57:03,087 --> 00:57:06,631
[Goffard] It was only a matterof two days after he got out
1400
00:57:06,631 --> 00:57:09,885
of jail for the last time
that he found Debra Newell
1401
00:57:09,885 --> 00:57:12,637
on OurTime, the over-50
dating site.
1402
00:57:12,637 --> 00:57:15,140
At this pointthey are married,
1403
00:57:15,140 --> 00:57:17,393
but she's now more isolated
1404
00:57:17,393 --> 00:57:19,686
from her family than ever.
1405
00:57:19,686 --> 00:57:23,023
[Debra] Some of my kidsstopped speaking to me.
1406
00:57:23,023 --> 00:57:26,277
I started missing my family...
1407
00:57:26,277 --> 00:57:28,404
so incredibly much.
1408
00:57:28,404 --> 00:57:30,739
John was really trying
1409
00:57:30,739 --> 00:57:34,201
to control my life
and everything in it.
1410
00:57:34,201 --> 00:57:36,245
One night, he was supposed
to have surgery the next day
1411
00:57:36,245 --> 00:57:38,289
on his back,
1412
00:57:38,289 --> 00:57:41,792
but that night he got
a bowel obstruction,
1413
00:57:41,792 --> 00:57:44,002
ended up in the hospital,
1414
00:57:44,002 --> 00:57:46,088
and I had his phone.
1415
00:57:46,088 --> 00:57:47,965
I thought, "Okay."
1416
00:57:47,965 --> 00:57:50,259
And I went and started
scrolling through it.
1417
00:57:50,259 --> 00:57:52,677
And I saw...
1418
00:57:52,677 --> 00:57:55,055
all these different women.
1419
00:57:55,055 --> 00:57:57,266
And I started
1420
00:57:57,266 --> 00:57:58,976
snapping shots of it--
1421
00:57:58,976 --> 00:58:00,978
of his phone.
1422
00:58:00,978 --> 00:58:02,646
I was...
1423
00:58:02,646 --> 00:58:05,316
a thousand percent heartbroken.
1424
00:58:05,316 --> 00:58:07,067
Felt betrayed.
1425
00:58:07,067 --> 00:58:09,069
I just...
1426
00:58:11,071 --> 00:58:12,489
It was hard.
1427
00:58:14,116 --> 00:58:16,452
I drove to Balboa Island.
1428
00:58:16,452 --> 00:58:18,370
I thought, "I need
to know the truth.
1429
00:58:18,370 --> 00:58:20,998
What's going on with him?"
1430
00:58:20,998 --> 00:58:24,460
- She called me
that she needed me
1431
00:58:20,998 --> 00:58:24,460
to come over.
1432
00:58:24,460 --> 00:58:27,129
She believed some things
that I was telling her
1433
00:58:27,129 --> 00:58:28,964
and she wanted my help.
1434
00:58:28,964 --> 00:58:30,548
♪
1435
00:58:30,548 --> 00:58:32,759
- Uh, we went into his office.
1436
00:58:32,759 --> 00:58:34,303
There was a bunch of papers
on the floor.
1437
00:58:34,303 --> 00:58:35,929
I grabbed some stuff.
1438
00:58:35,929 --> 00:58:37,389
[suspenseful music]
1439
00:58:37,389 --> 00:58:39,808
And we read a fewof the pages
1440
00:58:39,808 --> 00:58:41,977
and we're like,
"This is sick."
1441
00:58:41,977 --> 00:58:45,189
♪
1442
00:58:45,189 --> 00:58:47,899
- When we came across
his dirty laundry
1443
00:58:47,899 --> 00:58:50,068
that he was keeping on himself,
1444
00:58:50,068 --> 00:58:53,030
we were very alarmed.
1445
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:55,449
- The papers show that John has
1446
00:58:55,449 --> 00:58:56,867
numerous names,
1447
00:58:56,867 --> 00:59:00,162
numeroussocial security numbers.
1448
00:59:01,497 --> 00:59:04,166
And it's stating
all these different--
1449
00:59:04,166 --> 00:59:05,876
I think there were
seven or nine
1450
00:59:05,876 --> 00:59:08,837
restraining orders
against him.
1451
00:59:10,547 --> 00:59:13,384
From stalking...
1452
00:59:13,384 --> 00:59:16,428
to choking, to drugs.
1453
00:59:16,428 --> 00:59:19,681
I mean, there were...[scoffs]
1454
00:59:19,681 --> 00:59:21,392
so many.
1455
00:59:22,393 --> 00:59:24,520
One was a case of this woman
1456
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:28,315
from Laguna Beach--
Marileide Anderson--
1457
00:59:28,315 --> 00:59:30,984
where John has triedto get her money
1458
00:59:30,984 --> 00:59:32,319
and stalked her
1459
00:59:32,319 --> 00:59:35,572
and really made her lifea living hell.
1460
00:59:35,572 --> 00:59:38,158
At that point I realized,
"Oh, my gosh.
1461
00:59:38,158 --> 00:59:39,951
I'm his latest victim."
1462
00:59:39,951 --> 00:59:42,120
♪
1463
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,081
I found myself in shock.
1464
00:59:45,832 --> 00:59:48,001
[Jacquelyn] And there were notes
scribbled down
1465
00:59:48,001 --> 00:59:50,421
about semi-automatic weapons
1466
00:59:50,421 --> 00:59:54,007
that he was trying
to get access to.
1467
00:59:54,007 --> 00:59:57,553
He had spyware passwords,
usernames.
1468
00:59:57,553 --> 00:59:59,137
♪
1469
00:59:59,137 --> 01:00:01,557
- He had this evidence
1470
01:00:01,557 --> 01:00:04,351
sitting in his office.
- Almost as if he was, like,
1471
01:00:04,351 --> 01:00:07,145
proud of it.
1472
01:00:07,145 --> 01:00:10,232
He... [sighs]...
1473
01:00:10,232 --> 01:00:12,192
was just a bad guy.
1474
01:00:13,693 --> 01:00:16,613
[Terra] I thought,"This guy is a con artist.
1475
01:00:16,613 --> 01:00:19,699
I knew that he was in it
for the money.
1476
01:00:19,699 --> 01:00:23,579
He was trying to take everything
that she was worth.
1477
01:00:23,579 --> 01:00:26,164
- He did all kindsof reckless things
1478
01:00:26,164 --> 01:00:28,208
which really run counter
to this image
1479
01:00:28,208 --> 01:00:29,751
of a master criminal.
1480
01:00:29,751 --> 01:00:33,004
My suspicion is that he liked
playing the game.
1481
01:00:33,004 --> 01:00:34,423
There was some thrill in it.
1482
01:00:34,423 --> 01:00:38,176
There was some thrill
in tempting fate.
1483
01:00:38,176 --> 01:00:40,596
- What I realized alsois John had just gotten out
1484
01:00:40,596 --> 01:00:44,015
of jail like two days prior...
1485
01:00:44,015 --> 01:00:46,935
to me meeting him online.
1486
01:00:46,935 --> 01:00:50,063
Our first date, when John laid
on my bed, he said,
1487
01:00:50,063 --> 01:00:52,316
"This feels so good."
1488
01:00:52,316 --> 01:00:55,402
In my eyes, I'm thinking,
"It's just a bed."
1489
01:00:55,402 --> 01:00:58,155
And I don't think he had
anywhere to go.
1490
01:00:58,155 --> 01:00:59,823
♪
1491
01:00:59,823 --> 01:01:03,160
- John Meehan targeted
these women deliberately.
1492
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,078
He picked them out--
1493
01:01:05,078 --> 01:01:07,122
there is no mistake
about that--
1494
01:01:07,122 --> 01:01:09,625
and he looked to exploit them
1495
01:01:09,625 --> 01:01:12,294
in every way possible.
1496
01:01:12,294 --> 01:01:14,254
- I highlighted names
1497
01:01:14,254 --> 01:01:16,256
of any arresting agency
1498
01:01:16,256 --> 01:01:19,551
or detectives that wereinvolved in his case,
1499
01:01:19,551 --> 01:01:22,679
and I just call Denis Luken.
1500
01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:25,182
- I get a call from Jacquelyn
and I'm thinking,
1501
01:01:25,182 --> 01:01:27,267
"This can't--
this can't be true.
1502
01:01:27,267 --> 01:01:28,644
"This can't be happening.
1503
01:01:28,644 --> 01:01:30,604
"What is it gonna take
to stop this guy?
1504
01:01:30,604 --> 01:01:32,272
Here we go again."
1505
01:01:32,272 --> 01:01:35,275
So I kept telling them,
"Please notify law enforcement.
1506
01:01:35,275 --> 01:01:37,068
Please communicate."
1507
01:01:37,068 --> 01:01:38,529
[Jacquelyn]He gave me a warning.
1508
01:01:38,529 --> 01:01:40,864
He told me to do everything
in my willpower
1509
01:01:40,864 --> 01:01:42,782
to get my mom away
from this man
1510
01:01:42,782 --> 01:01:45,202
because it was the worst thing
that could possibly happen
1511
01:01:45,202 --> 01:01:47,204
to my family.
1512
01:01:47,204 --> 01:01:48,788
♪
1513
01:01:48,788 --> 01:01:51,082
- Everything came to a head.
1514
01:01:51,082 --> 01:01:54,878
Between these papers...
1515
01:01:54,878 --> 01:01:58,590
the letter, his phone...
Obviously, he was not
1516
01:01:58,590 --> 01:02:02,302
who I married whatsoever.
1517
01:02:05,347 --> 01:02:08,183
In fact, I don't know
if any of it was the truth.
1518
01:02:08,183 --> 01:02:10,352
So at that point, I was scared.
1519
01:02:10,352 --> 01:02:12,937
[Jacquelyn] I was shocked,
but more than anything
1520
01:02:12,937 --> 01:02:15,399
I was worried about her safety.
1521
01:02:15,399 --> 01:02:17,067
- I moved out of Balboa
1522
01:02:17,067 --> 01:02:19,027
very quickly.
1523
01:02:19,027 --> 01:02:22,030
I scrambled,
grabbed all my stuff...
1524
01:02:22,030 --> 01:02:24,199
♪
1525
01:02:24,199 --> 01:02:27,578
and moved away.
1526
01:02:30,622 --> 01:02:32,874
[Debra]Everything came to a head.
1527
01:02:32,874 --> 01:02:35,711
John was not who I married
whatsoever.
1528
01:02:35,711 --> 01:02:38,755
I scrambled,grabbed all my stuff,
1529
01:02:38,755 --> 01:02:41,633
and moved away.
1530
01:02:41,633 --> 01:02:43,134
♪
1531
01:02:43,134 --> 01:02:45,429
I realize I needto end this marriage,
1532
01:02:45,429 --> 01:02:47,598
so I get this lawyer, um,
1533
01:02:47,598 --> 01:02:49,307
to be able to fi--
1534
01:02:49,307 --> 01:02:51,435
file an annulment.
1535
01:02:51,435 --> 01:02:54,271
We decide that he's dangerous,
1536
01:02:54,271 --> 01:02:57,357
and we also change my will...
1537
01:02:57,357 --> 01:03:00,277
and make sure that he knows
that my kids
1538
01:03:00,277 --> 01:03:02,404
are getting my money.
1539
01:03:02,404 --> 01:03:03,863
♪
1540
01:03:03,863 --> 01:03:06,533
I was worried that John
was gonna kill me
1541
01:03:06,533 --> 01:03:09,286
to try to get the money,
'cause I had married him.
1542
01:03:09,286 --> 01:03:12,623
[Goffard]John is in the hospital
1543
01:03:09,286 --> 01:03:12,623
at this point
1544
01:03:12,623 --> 01:03:14,750
and he becomes a--
a totally different person.
1545
01:03:14,750 --> 01:03:17,210
He becomes extremely menacing,
1546
01:03:17,210 --> 01:03:19,546
begins insulting her
via text and email.
1547
01:03:19,546 --> 01:03:22,299
She sees a side of him
that I don't think
1548
01:03:22,299 --> 01:03:24,008
she had glimpsed before.
1549
01:03:24,008 --> 01:03:28,472
[Debra] John sent nastytext messages to me.
1550
01:03:28,472 --> 01:03:31,808
That I'm a liar,that he'll get even.
1551
01:03:31,808 --> 01:03:34,018
That I stole his money.
1552
01:03:34,018 --> 01:03:36,396
He was turning things around
1553
01:03:36,396 --> 01:03:38,898
and making it look likeI was the bad guy
1554
01:03:38,898 --> 01:03:41,735
and he was the good guy.
1555
01:03:41,735 --> 01:03:44,655
John went from thisextremely loving,
1556
01:03:44,655 --> 01:03:46,364
wonderful man
1557
01:03:46,364 --> 01:03:49,576
to a complete--
1558
01:03:49,576 --> 01:03:50,786
I'm gonna say this,
1559
01:03:50,786 --> 01:03:53,371
but he came off evil.
1560
01:03:53,371 --> 01:03:56,541
[Jacquelyn]It was a message to my mom
1561
01:03:56,541 --> 01:03:58,502
that he was not messing around.
1562
01:03:58,502 --> 01:04:01,546
I knew that message a long time
before he needed to send it.
1563
01:04:01,546 --> 01:04:03,548
I was in shock.
1564
01:04:03,548 --> 01:04:06,635
I--I just couldn't believe
what was happening.
1565
01:04:06,635 --> 01:04:08,762
[Richards] Psychopathsand narcissists
1566
01:04:08,762 --> 01:04:11,431
have this understanding
1567
01:04:11,431 --> 01:04:14,476
that you either dominate
or be dominated.
1568
01:04:14,476 --> 01:04:16,687
If you challenge them
or their sense of self,
1569
01:04:16,687 --> 01:04:19,022
or this image
that they're projecting,
1570
01:04:19,022 --> 01:04:20,565
they will go after you.
1571
01:04:20,565 --> 01:04:23,610
They will take revenge,
and they will do it
1572
01:04:23,610 --> 01:04:26,530
in the unholiest of ways.
1573
01:04:26,530 --> 01:04:28,532
[Debra] I met witha private investigator
1574
01:04:28,532 --> 01:04:31,451
and he said,
"You have to think...
1575
01:04:31,451 --> 01:04:32,994
like they think."
1576
01:04:32,994 --> 01:04:36,164
He said,
"Always face the door.
1577
01:04:36,164 --> 01:04:39,501
"Anywhere you go, be aware
of your surroundings.
1578
01:04:39,501 --> 01:04:41,461
"Someone might befollowing you.
1579
01:04:41,461 --> 01:04:44,881
"When you park,park in the--the light,
1580
01:04:44,881 --> 01:04:47,258
"and think of the world...
1581
01:04:47,258 --> 01:04:49,553
"as...
1582
01:04:49,553 --> 01:04:52,430
everyone's suspicious."
1583
01:04:52,430 --> 01:04:54,641
I couldn't go to the office.
1584
01:04:54,641 --> 01:04:57,185
I would actually stay
at a hotel,
1585
01:04:57,185 --> 01:04:59,896
different hotelsnear my office,
1586
01:04:59,896 --> 01:05:02,190
and have my assistant--
1587
01:05:02,190 --> 01:05:04,150
make sure nobody
was following her--
1588
01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:05,985
meet me.
1589
01:05:05,985 --> 01:05:09,740
One thing that I had to do
was disguise myself,
1590
01:05:09,740 --> 01:05:12,701
and they said,
"Don't be conspicuous."
1591
01:05:12,701 --> 01:05:14,870
I had to get a dark wig.
1592
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:17,414
I had to get plain clothes.
1593
01:05:17,414 --> 01:05:19,040
You don't want to be noticed.
1594
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:20,876
You have to blend inwith the crowd.
1595
01:05:20,876 --> 01:05:22,419
That was something
that I had to do.
1596
01:05:22,419 --> 01:05:25,255
I put on this long black wig,
1597
01:05:25,255 --> 01:05:27,507
changed my makeup up.
1598
01:05:27,507 --> 01:05:30,594
Just--my life changedat that point.
1599
01:05:30,594 --> 01:05:33,304
- I had thought,
"My mom's life is in danger."
1600
01:05:33,304 --> 01:05:35,724
At this point I knew
1601
01:05:35,724 --> 01:05:38,769
that one of us was gonna
end up dead,
1602
01:05:38,769 --> 01:05:42,564
and that he was just
a dangerous person.
1603
01:05:42,564 --> 01:05:44,733
[Debra]
One of the things
1604
01:05:44,733 --> 01:05:46,526
that I read
1605
01:05:46,526 --> 01:05:48,403
was that John had hireda hitman
1606
01:05:48,403 --> 01:05:50,864
to kill an investigator,so I'm thinking,
1607
01:05:50,864 --> 01:05:52,699
"Who knows who he knows
out there
1608
01:05:52,699 --> 01:05:54,743
that could be doing
his dirty work for him?"
1609
01:05:54,743 --> 01:05:57,995
I didn't know whenhe was getting out
1610
01:05:54,743 --> 01:05:57,995
of the hospital.
1611
01:05:57,995 --> 01:06:00,916
I was looking
over my shoulder constantly.
1612
01:06:00,916 --> 01:06:03,460
[sinister music]
1613
01:06:03,460 --> 01:06:06,003
[Debra]23 days had passed
1614
01:06:06,003 --> 01:06:09,382
and I think I had lost,
like, 12 pounds.
1615
01:06:09,382 --> 01:06:10,926
Couldn't eat, couldn't sleep.
1616
01:06:10,926 --> 01:06:14,137
All of a sudden
John calls me.
1617
01:06:15,388 --> 01:06:18,308
His whole tone changes,
1618
01:06:18,308 --> 01:06:20,894
and he says, "I need you.
1619
01:06:20,894 --> 01:06:23,939
"I can explain everything.
1620
01:06:23,939 --> 01:06:26,441
"I can promise you...
1621
01:06:26,441 --> 01:06:29,277
"that these accusations
are not me.
1622
01:06:29,277 --> 01:06:31,571
"Yes, I was--I did go to jail,
1623
01:06:31,571 --> 01:06:33,490
but I was framed."
1624
01:06:33,490 --> 01:06:35,617
He goes, "I couldn't bear
telling you.
1625
01:06:35,617 --> 01:06:37,243
"I was so in love with you.
1626
01:06:37,243 --> 01:06:39,746
I thought you wouldn't
date me if you knew that."
1627
01:06:39,746 --> 01:06:41,915
What he told me about
the awful texts
1628
01:06:41,915 --> 01:06:44,584
that he had sent me
was that he was drugged.
1629
01:06:44,584 --> 01:06:46,586
He had so many drugs
in his system
1630
01:06:46,586 --> 01:06:48,463
he was out of his mind.
1631
01:06:48,463 --> 01:06:50,131
He said, "I have no one,
1632
01:06:50,131 --> 01:06:52,175
"and I have MS.
1633
01:06:52,175 --> 01:06:55,011
And I have nowhere to go."
1634
01:06:55,011 --> 01:06:57,931
I went to the hospitalto look him in the eye,
1635
01:06:57,931 --> 01:06:59,390
to say, "Why?
1636
01:06:59,390 --> 01:07:01,142
"Why did you do this?
1637
01:07:01,142 --> 01:07:03,520
"Why were you so dishonest
with me?
1638
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,772
Is this all a lie?"
And I walked into his room
1639
01:07:08,024 --> 01:07:10,944
and he cried and he cried
1640
01:07:10,944 --> 01:07:12,946
and cried and kept saying,
1641
01:07:12,946 --> 01:07:14,906
"Please forgive me.
1642
01:07:14,906 --> 01:07:16,366
"I am so sorry.
1643
01:07:16,366 --> 01:07:19,076
You don't know how much
I love you."
1644
01:07:19,076 --> 01:07:23,498
And I started feeling
sorry for him.
1645
01:07:23,498 --> 01:07:26,584
The one thing
that he kept telling me was,
1646
01:07:26,584 --> 01:07:28,920
"Don't give up on me.
1647
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,756
I am the best thing
that's ever happened to you."
1648
01:07:31,756 --> 01:07:34,968
And he says, "I promise you,
1649
01:07:34,968 --> 01:07:38,095
"I will get a lawyer
and prove to you
1650
01:07:38,095 --> 01:07:40,515
that I didn't do anyof these things."
1651
01:07:40,515 --> 01:07:44,101
And I thought, "If this manhas been framed
1652
01:07:44,101 --> 01:07:49,440
"and if all these other aliases
or whatever are not him,
1653
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,943
how can I just leave him
like this?"
1654
01:07:51,943 --> 01:07:54,070
I was the only one
that was gonna be willing
1655
01:07:54,070 --> 01:07:56,531
to give him a second chance.
1656
01:07:56,531 --> 01:07:58,700
- For Debra, she understood
1657
01:07:58,700 --> 01:08:01,578
that 95%
of what his behavior was
1658
01:08:01,578 --> 01:08:03,830
was bad, but there was this 5%
1659
01:08:03,830 --> 01:08:07,500
that he could bargain
and get leverage on.
1660
01:08:07,500 --> 01:08:10,086
And we have to remember
that it takes, on average,
1661
01:08:10,086 --> 01:08:12,171
a woman seven times
1662
01:08:12,171 --> 01:08:14,382
to leave their abuser.
1663
01:08:14,382 --> 01:08:16,217
- You don't fallright out of love
1664
01:08:16,217 --> 01:08:18,135
when you have fallen in love.
1665
01:08:18,135 --> 01:08:20,013
It's not quite that easy.
1666
01:08:20,013 --> 01:08:21,639
[tense music]
1667
01:08:21,639 --> 01:08:24,100
On one hand I'm in lovewith this man
1668
01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:26,811
and he's got a answer
for everything.
1669
01:08:26,811 --> 01:08:29,480
On the other hand,
there's evidence.
1670
01:08:29,480 --> 01:08:32,191
It's like, here's the head
1671
01:08:32,191 --> 01:08:34,027
and here's the heart,
1672
01:08:34,027 --> 01:08:37,154
and they don't work together
very well.
1673
01:08:37,154 --> 01:08:39,991
[Goffard] Eventually he is ableto convince her
1674
01:08:39,991 --> 01:08:42,077
that his accusers are liars,
1675
01:08:42,077 --> 01:08:44,579
that in some cases the name
1676
01:08:44,579 --> 01:08:46,664
on the paperwork
is a different John Meehan.
1677
01:08:46,664 --> 01:08:48,750
And he tells her that, uh,
1678
01:08:48,750 --> 01:08:52,128
if she'll just give him some
time he can prove to her
1679
01:08:52,128 --> 01:08:54,756
that he's been set up
in case after case.
1680
01:08:54,756 --> 01:08:56,007
♪
1681
01:08:56,007 --> 01:08:58,969
- I got back with John...
1682
01:08:58,969 --> 01:09:00,845
and I really...
1683
01:09:00,845 --> 01:09:03,598
didn't want anyone
to know about it.
1684
01:09:05,809 --> 01:09:07,936
It was bad.
1685
01:09:07,936 --> 01:09:10,187
[Jacquelyn] I could tell that
she got back together with John
1686
01:09:10,187 --> 01:09:11,982
because she stopped
telling the family
1687
01:09:11,982 --> 01:09:13,483
her whereabouts.
1688
01:09:13,483 --> 01:09:16,277
I hated John so much.
1689
01:09:16,277 --> 01:09:18,362
I knew he was trying
to hurt my mom,
1690
01:09:18,362 --> 01:09:20,531
hurt my family.
1691
01:09:20,531 --> 01:09:22,575
[Debra]When I went back with John,
1692
01:09:22,575 --> 01:09:24,786
things were progressively
getting worse.
1693
01:09:24,786 --> 01:09:27,038
John was trying
to isolate me again.
1694
01:09:27,038 --> 01:09:28,581
♪
1695
01:09:28,581 --> 01:09:31,167
One person he despised
was Jacquelyn.
1696
01:09:31,167 --> 01:09:34,504
He saw me as a threat
and I saw him as a threat.
1697
01:09:34,504 --> 01:09:37,715
- He told me that if I wentand I talked to her
1698
01:09:37,715 --> 01:09:40,844
he would make sure
she was thrown in the ocean
1699
01:09:40,844 --> 01:09:42,804
and never come out.
1700
01:09:42,804 --> 01:09:44,305
♪
1701
01:09:44,305 --> 01:09:45,974
[Jacquelyn] I was scared.
1702
01:09:45,974 --> 01:09:49,477
I knew it would all come down
to him going crazy.
1703
01:09:49,477 --> 01:09:52,730
I thought, "Oh, my gosh.
1704
01:09:52,730 --> 01:09:54,231
"I've gotta get away
from this guy.
1705
01:09:54,231 --> 01:09:56,693
That's the straw."
1706
01:09:56,693 --> 01:09:59,403
But I couldn't just walk away.
1707
01:09:59,403 --> 01:10:02,615
In my eyes, I figured
he was too dangerous.
1708
01:10:02,615 --> 01:10:03,908
♪
1709
01:10:03,908 --> 01:10:06,077
I was trying to plan my exit.
1710
01:10:06,077 --> 01:10:09,622
One of the things that I did
was I bought a home in Vegas.
1711
01:10:09,622 --> 01:10:12,917
And it wasn't done,
1712
01:10:12,917 --> 01:10:16,004
and so I told John,
"Why don't you stay out here
1713
01:10:16,004 --> 01:10:19,174
"and get the house
in working order?
1714
01:10:19,174 --> 01:10:21,634
"And in the meantime,I've gotta work
1715
01:10:21,634 --> 01:10:24,888
and I've gotta travel,
but I really need you there."
1716
01:10:24,888 --> 01:10:27,724
So I was able
to get my freedom.
1717
01:10:27,724 --> 01:10:30,518
[Richards]The point of separation
1718
01:10:27,724 --> 01:10:30,518
when there has been abuse,
1719
01:10:30,518 --> 01:10:32,645
it correlates highly
with murder,
1720
01:10:32,645 --> 01:10:36,066
so the time someone leaves
is the highest-risk time.
1721
01:10:36,066 --> 01:10:39,027
Debra understood that,
and we need to know
1722
01:10:39,027 --> 01:10:42,113
and understand that victims
are the best assessors
1723
01:10:42,113 --> 01:10:44,240
of their own risk.
1724
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:47,284
- John came home from Vegas.
1725
01:10:47,284 --> 01:10:50,329
I had been hiding money
because I felt as though--
1726
01:10:50,329 --> 01:10:52,082
number one, it's mine,
1727
01:10:52,082 --> 01:10:54,625
but secondly...
1728
01:10:54,625 --> 01:10:58,046
if he had money...
1729
01:10:58,046 --> 01:11:00,006
he would have more choices.
1730
01:11:00,006 --> 01:11:03,551
My thoughts were,
if I can cut him off,
1731
01:11:03,551 --> 01:11:05,720
then he's gonna have
a hard time
1732
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:09,682
hiring people
and staking out.
1733
01:11:09,682 --> 01:11:12,060
What happened washe pulled out the cash,
1734
01:11:12,060 --> 01:11:15,730
came in, said "What's this?"
1735
01:11:15,730 --> 01:11:17,941
And he says,"What are you doing?"
1736
01:11:17,941 --> 01:11:21,652
And I looked at him
and I said, "It's my money."
1737
01:11:21,652 --> 01:11:23,821
♪
1738
01:11:23,821 --> 01:11:26,741
And he says, "Technicallyit's both of our money."
1739
01:11:26,741 --> 01:11:28,743
And started bullying me.
1740
01:11:28,743 --> 01:11:30,327
And he says, "I want you
to hit me.
1741
01:11:30,327 --> 01:11:32,663
I want you to hit me."
1742
01:11:34,165 --> 01:11:36,209
He goes, "If you hit me,
1743
01:11:36,209 --> 01:11:38,795
you will never get up again."
1744
01:11:38,795 --> 01:11:40,171
♪
1745
01:11:43,716 --> 01:11:45,635
- I had been hiding money.
1746
01:11:45,635 --> 01:11:49,346
Hid it in a bottom drawer
in my closet.
1747
01:11:49,346 --> 01:11:51,015
He pulled out the cash.
1748
01:11:51,015 --> 01:11:54,144
He said, "Why are you
hiding money?"
1749
01:11:54,144 --> 01:11:57,272
[tense music]
1750
01:11:57,272 --> 01:12:00,357
And I said,
"Because I'm leaving you."
1751
01:12:00,357 --> 01:12:02,902
♪
1752
01:12:02,902 --> 01:12:05,362
I grabbed the suitcase...
1753
01:12:07,157 --> 01:12:09,867
took off,
drove to Jacquelyn's,
1754
01:12:09,867 --> 01:12:11,244
and we got in the car
1755
01:12:11,244 --> 01:12:14,205
and we went to Vegas
to get anything we could
1756
01:12:14,205 --> 01:12:16,332
out of the house that was mine.
1757
01:12:16,332 --> 01:12:18,084
♪
1758
01:12:18,084 --> 01:12:20,086
- The whole way to Vegas
she was getting
1759
01:12:20,086 --> 01:12:23,047
threatening text messages
from him.
1760
01:12:23,047 --> 01:12:25,175
He was going crazy.
1761
01:12:28,344 --> 01:12:30,847
It was a downward spiral
1762
01:12:30,847 --> 01:12:34,225
of him just kind of
losing control.
1763
01:12:34,225 --> 01:12:37,895
[Jacquelyn, on recording]
Truck's full. We're [bleep].
1764
01:12:37,895 --> 01:12:39,981
We left John all his [bleep].
1765
01:12:39,981 --> 01:12:41,732
And you need all--
1766
01:12:41,732 --> 01:12:43,151
all your stuff.
1767
01:12:43,151 --> 01:12:45,569
I know your watches
are in here, John.
1768
01:12:45,569 --> 01:12:47,030
Don't worry.
1769
01:12:49,199 --> 01:12:52,243
Okay, I have a video
of everything.
1770
01:12:52,243 --> 01:12:55,079
- They got all
of my mom's things out
1771
01:12:55,079 --> 01:12:58,499
of the houseand videotaped it all
1772
01:12:58,499 --> 01:13:01,044
so that he couldn't
turn it around on them.
1773
01:13:01,044 --> 01:13:04,005
[Jacquelyn] You have your keys,
you have your phone?
1774
01:13:04,005 --> 01:13:05,965
[Debra] Got my phone.
1775
01:13:05,965 --> 01:13:09,219
- I have everything.
Let's go. Yeah.
1776
01:13:11,054 --> 01:13:13,223
[Goffard] Debra and Jacquelynclear out the house
1777
01:13:13,223 --> 01:13:14,891
in Henderson, Nevada.
1778
01:13:14,891 --> 01:13:18,311
John is sending her a series
of, uh, menacing texts,
1779
01:13:18,311 --> 01:13:20,104
um, and taunting texts.
1780
01:13:20,104 --> 01:13:23,024
What he wants is halfof all of her stuff.
1781
01:13:23,024 --> 01:13:26,944
- Some of the text messagesthat he was sending me were,
1782
01:13:26,944 --> 01:13:29,989
"Watch out.
"I will destroy you.
1783
01:13:29,989 --> 01:13:31,490
"I will destroy your family.
1784
01:13:31,490 --> 01:13:33,159
This is bigger than you."
1785
01:13:33,159 --> 01:13:36,037
So things are escalating
to the point
1786
01:13:36,037 --> 01:13:39,123
where I had one
of my cars parked
1787
01:13:39,123 --> 01:13:41,876
at my business even though
I wasn't going in.
1788
01:13:41,876 --> 01:13:44,170
He got into my car,
started it,
1789
01:13:44,170 --> 01:13:45,713
and set it on fire.
1790
01:13:45,713 --> 01:13:48,674
[dramatic music]
1791
01:13:48,674 --> 01:13:52,262
When John burned my car up,the private investigator said,
1792
01:13:52,262 --> 01:13:53,930
"This is getting serious"
1793
01:13:53,930 --> 01:13:56,891
and he thought about megetting a bodyguard.
1794
01:13:56,891 --> 01:13:59,102
I didn't.
1795
01:13:59,102 --> 01:14:02,355
I thought I'd just have to be
extremely careful.
1796
01:14:02,355 --> 01:14:04,440
[Goffard]John Meehan was spiraling.
1797
01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:06,609
He was a serious drug addict.
1798
01:14:06,609 --> 01:14:09,028
He had lost a lot of weight.
1799
01:14:09,028 --> 01:14:12,073
He was a differentJohn Meehan.
1800
01:14:12,073 --> 01:14:15,701
He wanted Debra Newell to know
what he was capable of and,
1801
01:14:15,701 --> 01:14:18,621
"You'd better play along
or this is what awaits you."
1802
01:14:18,621 --> 01:14:21,874
- I went to fourpolice stations
1803
01:14:21,874 --> 01:14:24,168
and I said, "Help me.
1804
01:14:24,168 --> 01:14:27,297
"This man is a bad man.
1805
01:14:27,297 --> 01:14:29,132
"I'm in fear of my life.
1806
01:14:29,132 --> 01:14:30,674
I don't know what to do."
1807
01:14:30,674 --> 01:14:33,052
They said, "There's nothing
we can do.
1808
01:14:33,052 --> 01:14:35,179
You don't have a mark on you."
1809
01:14:35,179 --> 01:14:38,224
And some of them
were annoyed with me.
1810
01:14:38,224 --> 01:14:41,227
- These predatory individuals
are allowed
1811
01:14:41,227 --> 01:14:43,729
to get away with it,
and it gets worse.
1812
01:14:43,729 --> 01:14:47,066
It increases, it escalates,
and then serious harm
1813
01:14:47,066 --> 01:14:48,985
and murder happen.
1814
01:14:48,985 --> 01:14:50,569
[suspenseful music]
1815
01:14:50,569 --> 01:14:53,572
[Jacquelyn] I got home,there was a silver car
1816
01:14:53,572 --> 01:14:57,201
sitting in the front
of the parking lot.
1817
01:14:57,201 --> 01:14:59,662
John looked up.
1818
01:14:59,662 --> 01:15:02,290
I saw his face
from the light of his phone.
1819
01:15:02,290 --> 01:15:05,251
He was pretty startledto see me.
1820
01:15:05,251 --> 01:15:07,337
♪
1821
01:15:07,337 --> 01:15:11,090
Jacquelyn comes running
through the door that evening
1822
01:15:11,090 --> 01:15:13,926
and she says, "Mom, Mom!"
John's outside!"
1823
01:15:16,095 --> 01:15:17,347
I said, "What?!"
1824
01:15:17,347 --> 01:15:19,223
She goes, "No, I know
it's him.
1825
01:15:19,223 --> 01:15:20,766
John was outside."
1826
01:15:20,766 --> 01:15:22,852
I'm like, "No,John can't be here."
1827
01:15:22,852 --> 01:15:24,603
He--how would he get here?"
1828
01:15:24,603 --> 01:15:27,315
[Jacquelyn] He came thereto do something bad.
1829
01:15:27,315 --> 01:15:28,607
He had lost all control.
1830
01:15:28,607 --> 01:15:31,361
He didn't have
his car anymore--
1831
01:15:31,361 --> 01:15:33,154
this was a rental car.
1832
01:15:33,154 --> 01:15:35,572
He had come all the way
from Las Vegas for a reason.
1833
01:15:35,572 --> 01:15:38,242
[Richards] He felt that Debrawas winning,
1834
01:15:38,242 --> 01:15:39,660
and how dare she?
1835
01:15:39,660 --> 01:15:42,788
How dare she take the control
away from him?
1836
01:15:42,788 --> 01:15:45,166
And it becomes
this cat-and-mouse situation
1837
01:15:45,166 --> 01:15:47,460
that at all costs,he's gonna burn
1838
01:15:47,460 --> 01:15:50,046
and scorch the earthto make her pay.
1839
01:15:50,046 --> 01:15:52,589
And her Achilles' heel
are her children.
1840
01:15:52,589 --> 01:15:54,467
And that's who he goes after.
1841
01:15:56,593 --> 01:16:00,181
[Debra]He's a psychopath.
1842
01:16:00,181 --> 01:16:03,100
He is going to turn on you
and destroy your life.
1843
01:16:04,394 --> 01:16:06,229
[Terra] Jacquelyn called me.
1844
01:16:06,229 --> 01:16:09,190
She told me that she saw John
at her apartment,
1845
01:16:09,190 --> 01:16:11,650
that he was in
a silver car,
1846
01:16:11,650 --> 01:16:13,819
and to keep a lookout for it.
1847
01:16:13,819 --> 01:16:15,696
♪
1848
01:16:15,696 --> 01:16:19,283
- I thought that he was going
to come after either my sister
1849
01:16:19,283 --> 01:16:20,659
or myself.
1850
01:16:20,659 --> 01:16:24,163
I thought myself
because he disliked me more
1851
01:16:24,163 --> 01:16:26,249
than anybody else
in the family.
1852
01:16:26,249 --> 01:16:28,251
♪
1853
01:16:28,251 --> 01:16:31,837
- On August 20th
I went to work that day.
1854
01:16:31,837 --> 01:16:35,425
I get there around 7:00 a.m.
in the morning
1855
01:16:35,425 --> 01:16:38,094
and I work till 1:00.
1856
01:16:38,094 --> 01:16:40,804
Then I went home.
1857
01:16:40,804 --> 01:16:43,307
When I pulled intothe parking garage,
1858
01:16:43,307 --> 01:16:46,143
I looked over and this car
1859
01:16:46,143 --> 01:16:48,521
was backed up into a space.
1860
01:16:48,521 --> 01:16:51,941
I saw this guy
with a tire iron.
1861
01:16:53,734 --> 01:16:56,737
I get out of my car,I walk around,
1862
01:16:56,737 --> 01:16:59,574
and this guy grabbed me
by the waist.
1863
01:17:01,825 --> 01:17:05,121
He looked me in the eyes
and said, "Do you remember me?"
1864
01:17:05,121 --> 01:17:07,623
♪
1865
01:17:07,623 --> 01:17:09,208
It was John.
1866
01:17:11,085 --> 01:17:12,545
I knew I was in trouble.
1867
01:17:12,545 --> 01:17:15,381
I knew he was gonna try
to kill me.
1868
01:17:15,381 --> 01:17:18,426
He was trying to push me
towards his car.
1869
01:17:18,426 --> 01:17:20,386
His trunk is open.
1870
01:17:20,386 --> 01:17:22,179
[woman screaming]
1871
01:17:22,179 --> 01:17:24,307
- I saw man holding a knife
1872
01:17:24,307 --> 01:17:26,601
- and a woman screaming.
- [screaming]
1873
01:17:26,601 --> 01:17:28,727
- He was trying
to grab my mouth
1874
01:17:28,727 --> 01:17:30,480
to stop me from screaming.
1875
01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:33,608
I'm screaming, asking--
like, yelling for help.
1876
01:17:33,608 --> 01:17:35,692
[Skylar]He was raising a knife,
1877
01:17:35,692 --> 01:17:37,027
bringing it down
over and over.
1878
01:17:37,027 --> 01:17:39,489
I bite him
as hard as I can.
1879
01:17:39,489 --> 01:17:41,907
I'm kicking, I'm fighting.
1880
01:17:41,907 --> 01:17:44,368
I told my mom to call 911
and tell them that somebody
1881
01:17:44,368 --> 01:17:47,246
- was being stabbed.
- [woman] Newport Beach 911.
1882
01:17:47,246 --> 01:17:49,332
[Skylar] There's a man up herewith a knife
1883
01:17:49,332 --> 01:17:51,708
- and a girl screaming.
- I was already rushing out
1884
01:17:51,708 --> 01:17:54,420
the door to go help her.
1885
01:17:54,420 --> 01:17:57,423
- I got pushed down
onto the ground
1886
01:17:57,423 --> 01:17:59,383
as he is on his knees
1887
01:17:59,383 --> 01:18:01,385
just trying to stab me.
1888
01:18:01,385 --> 01:18:04,597
He dropped the knifeand it landed
1889
01:18:04,597 --> 01:18:08,058
exactly right next to me
on my right-hand side.
1890
01:18:08,058 --> 01:18:10,936
I didn't even give ita second thought.
1891
01:18:10,936 --> 01:18:14,731
Picked up the knife,
and I started wailing
1892
01:18:10,936 --> 01:18:14,731
back on him.
1893
01:18:18,194 --> 01:18:21,030
- I got pushed down
onto the ground
1894
01:18:21,030 --> 01:18:23,115
as he is on his knees
1895
01:18:23,115 --> 01:18:25,242
just trying to stab me.
1896
01:18:25,242 --> 01:18:28,204
He dropped the knifeand it landed
1897
01:18:28,204 --> 01:18:31,707
exactly right next to me
on my right-hand side.
1898
01:18:31,707 --> 01:18:34,210
I didn't even give ita second thought.
1899
01:18:34,210 --> 01:18:38,005
Picked up the knife,
and I started wailing
1900
01:18:34,210 --> 01:18:38,005
back on him.
1901
01:18:41,634 --> 01:18:44,512
- I know it's either him or me.
1902
01:18:44,512 --> 01:18:46,930
I'm stabbing him
with all my might.
1903
01:18:46,930 --> 01:18:49,642
I was fighting for my life.
1904
01:18:49,642 --> 01:18:52,769
He begins fallingon top of me,
1905
01:18:52,769 --> 01:18:54,271
and he gasped.
1906
01:18:54,271 --> 01:18:56,440
I stabbed him once,
1907
01:18:56,440 --> 01:18:57,774
like, right here,
1908
01:18:57,774 --> 01:19:00,819
and then I stabbed him
in the eye.
1909
01:19:00,819 --> 01:19:02,988
I just start screaming.
1910
01:19:02,988 --> 01:19:04,990
[woman screaming]
1911
01:19:04,990 --> 01:19:07,826
I saw John, like,
laying face-down
1912
01:19:07,826 --> 01:19:09,370
after she had stabbed him,
1913
01:19:09,370 --> 01:19:11,997
just in shock, like,
having a seizure.
1914
01:19:11,997 --> 01:19:15,292
[dark music]
1915
01:19:15,292 --> 01:19:18,295
And that picture's just always
gonna be in my mind.
1916
01:19:18,295 --> 01:19:21,006
[Skylar] Hi, I need a ambulanceright away and the police.
1917
01:19:21,006 --> 01:19:23,426
- What address?- Um, someone's been stabbed
1918
01:19:23,426 --> 01:19:24,927
and he attacked a girl.
1919
01:19:24,927 --> 01:19:27,304
It's a girl and her dogand then a guy...
1920
01:19:27,304 --> 01:19:28,723
is on the ground.
1921
01:19:28,723 --> 01:19:30,849
Um, I'm not really surewhat happened,
1922
01:19:30,849 --> 01:19:33,394
- we just heard her screaming.- Do you see blood?
1923
01:19:33,394 --> 01:19:35,229
- Yes.
1924
01:19:35,229 --> 01:19:37,398
[sirens wailing]
1925
01:19:37,398 --> 01:19:39,066
[man]Hold on, somebody--
1926
01:19:42,612 --> 01:19:44,655
[Skylar] Terra was in hystericsduring this.
1927
01:19:44,655 --> 01:19:47,617
She was just screaming
and crying
1928
01:19:47,617 --> 01:19:50,202
and just shriekingall about how much, like,
1929
01:19:50,202 --> 01:19:51,579
she knew it was gonna happen
1930
01:19:51,579 --> 01:19:53,789
and how she knew
she was in danger with him.
1931
01:19:53,789 --> 01:19:57,084
[cop] Come over here
and get started on you, OK?
1932
01:19:57,084 --> 01:19:58,835
[radio chatter]
1933
01:19:58,835 --> 01:20:01,171
Come down here.
- [Terra sobbing]
1934
01:20:01,171 --> 01:20:03,382
And I told her, "I just need
to get away from him.
1935
01:20:03,382 --> 01:20:05,801
He's gonna get up
and hurt me."
1936
01:20:05,801 --> 01:20:07,844
[Terra] I need to
get away from him! [sobbing]
1937
01:20:07,844 --> 01:20:10,806
- [cop] What's goin' on--
- I know he was gonna kill me.
1938
01:20:10,806 --> 01:20:13,809
[Debra]It's about 5:25,
1939
01:20:13,809 --> 01:20:16,479
and I get this call.
1940
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:20,065
And it's Terra screaming,
"Mom, I killed your husband!
1941
01:20:20,065 --> 01:20:21,692
I killed your husband!"
1942
01:20:21,692 --> 01:20:24,278
I'm like, "What?
Where are you?"
1943
01:20:24,278 --> 01:20:27,156
And all I remember
is getting in my car
1944
01:20:27,156 --> 01:20:29,742
and I made it to the scene.
1945
01:20:29,742 --> 01:20:31,661
And I couldn't getto my daughter.
1946
01:20:31,661 --> 01:20:33,287
- [Debra] Terra!
- [cop] Do you know her?
1947
01:20:33,287 --> 01:20:35,247
- She's my daughter!
- Okay, just hold on.
1948
01:20:35,247 --> 01:20:37,082
Hold on.
She's gonna--she's gonna get
1949
01:20:37,082 --> 01:20:39,585
- some medical treatment, okay?
- I felt like...
1950
01:20:39,585 --> 01:20:42,129
[choking up]
I caused this.
1951
01:20:42,129 --> 01:20:44,340
This is the last thing
I ever wanted to happen.
1952
01:20:44,340 --> 01:20:46,049
[somber, tense music]
1953
01:20:46,049 --> 01:20:48,761
I had to stay behindthe yellow line
1954
01:20:48,761 --> 01:20:51,681
and I'm thinking, "This is when
she needs me more than ever."
1955
01:20:51,681 --> 01:20:54,224
[Debra]
Do you think she killed him?
1956
01:20:51,681 --> 01:20:54,224
I don't know. I don't know.
1957
01:20:54,224 --> 01:20:55,559
I was across the street
1958
01:20:55,559 --> 01:20:57,394
from her house
at the grocery store,
1959
01:20:57,394 --> 01:20:59,647
and I think I dropped
everything in my hand.
1960
01:20:59,647 --> 01:21:01,691
And I just ran out
the front door.
1961
01:21:01,691 --> 01:21:03,359
[sirens wailing]
1962
01:21:03,359 --> 01:21:05,778
One ambulancewas going one way,
1963
01:21:05,778 --> 01:21:08,364
the other ambulance
was going another way,
1964
01:21:08,364 --> 01:21:10,991
and I did not know
which one to follow.
1965
01:21:13,661 --> 01:21:15,579
[Terra]When I was in the hospital
1966
01:21:15,579 --> 01:21:18,791
I was getting questionsfor hours and hours.
1967
01:21:20,209 --> 01:21:22,670
I just wanted to see my mom.
1968
01:21:22,670 --> 01:21:26,215
[Debra] So she sat in that bedand they wouldn't
1969
01:21:26,215 --> 01:21:28,592
let me see herbecause it was a crime.
1970
01:21:28,592 --> 01:21:31,053
And it wasn't until10:30 at night
1971
01:21:31,053 --> 01:21:33,263
that I finally got to see her.
1972
01:21:33,263 --> 01:21:36,892
It was...
very hard.
1973
01:21:38,894 --> 01:21:41,188
So there was hearsay that John
1974
01:21:41,188 --> 01:21:44,441
is on life support,
but they needed
1975
01:21:44,441 --> 01:21:47,570
for me to go and identify him.
1976
01:21:47,570 --> 01:21:50,781
It just felt so...
1977
01:21:50,781 --> 01:21:52,658
surreal.
1978
01:21:54,535 --> 01:21:57,747
[monitor beeping]
1979
01:22:02,501 --> 01:22:05,087
[Debra] I saw Johnon life support.
1980
01:22:05,087 --> 01:22:07,005
There's so muchthat goes through you.
1981
01:22:07,005 --> 01:22:09,884
Anger, you know...
1982
01:22:09,884 --> 01:22:12,928
[sighs]
But how could you do this?
1983
01:22:12,928 --> 01:22:14,221
Why?
1984
01:22:14,221 --> 01:22:16,432
Why would you do this
1985
01:22:16,432 --> 01:22:19,226
to my--to my daughter,
to my flesh and blood?
1986
01:22:19,226 --> 01:22:21,812
And I just thought,
"He's that evil.
1987
01:22:21,812 --> 01:22:24,231
He's that bad."
1988
01:22:24,231 --> 01:22:26,191
- I was at work
the day I was notified
1989
01:22:26,191 --> 01:22:29,027
that, um, he was on
life support.
1990
01:22:29,027 --> 01:22:32,448
Debra had already turned overlegal rights for his sisters
1991
01:22:32,448 --> 01:22:33,824
to pull the plug on John.
1992
01:22:33,824 --> 01:22:36,076
John is stabbed
on August 20th,
1993
01:22:36,076 --> 01:22:38,537
and, uh, four days later
on August 24th
1994
01:22:38,537 --> 01:22:40,790
he's taken off life support.
1995
01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:44,000
The coroner's report saysthere are 13 stab wounds, uh,
1996
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,086
to his body, uh, the fatal one
1997
01:22:46,086 --> 01:22:48,714
through his eye
and into his brain.
1998
01:22:50,132 --> 01:22:51,926
- I'd been predicting
for a long time
1999
01:22:51,926 --> 01:22:54,428
that this was gonna end
in a big ball of fire.
2000
01:22:54,428 --> 01:22:56,430
John would be killedat the hands
2001
01:22:56,430 --> 01:22:58,599
of someone's husband,brother, or father.
2002
01:22:58,599 --> 01:23:00,810
I never imagined
that he would fall
2003
01:23:00,810 --> 01:23:02,937
to the hands of, you know,
2004
01:23:02,937 --> 01:23:05,981
a 5'2" girl
fighting for her life.
2005
01:23:05,981 --> 01:23:08,233
I thought it was
poetic justice.
2006
01:23:08,233 --> 01:23:12,279
[Goffard]Why did John go after Terra
2007
01:23:08,233 --> 01:23:12,279
at the end?
2008
01:23:12,279 --> 01:23:14,657
I think John Meehan wanted
to kill Terra Newell
2009
01:23:14,657 --> 01:23:17,159
and send a message
to her mother, Debra.
2010
01:23:17,159 --> 01:23:20,245
But what she had going for her
was the gift of adrenaline,
2011
01:23:20,245 --> 01:23:23,499
uh, quick reflexes,
and she did what a lot
2012
01:23:23,499 --> 01:23:25,626
of safety expertsadvise you to do:
2013
01:23:25,626 --> 01:23:28,128
Don't get in the car,or fight, kick, scream--
2014
01:23:28,128 --> 01:23:29,797
do whatever you can.
2015
01:23:29,797 --> 01:23:32,508
I'm not a victim.
I'm a survivor.
2016
01:23:32,508 --> 01:23:35,093
I believe that John
would have killed again.
2017
01:23:35,093 --> 01:23:38,514
I believe he would have
done anything to anyone.
2018
01:23:38,514 --> 01:23:39,890
[somber music]
2019
01:23:39,890 --> 01:23:42,392
- I was glad when John died
2020
01:23:42,392 --> 01:23:44,812
because there's so many victims
2021
01:23:44,812 --> 01:23:46,689
that were no longer
within his power
2022
01:23:46,689 --> 01:23:48,732
- and his control.
- When I heard
2023
01:23:48,732 --> 01:23:51,109
that John was dead...
2024
01:23:51,109 --> 01:23:54,029
it was the best
and the worst day of my life.
2025
01:23:54,029 --> 01:23:57,032
I couldn't believehow happy I was
2026
01:23:57,032 --> 01:24:00,160
that someone was not just dead,
2027
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:02,705
- he was killed.
- When I got the phone call
2028
01:24:02,705 --> 01:24:05,541
that he had been killed,
it was a tremendous relief,
2029
01:24:05,541 --> 01:24:07,918
and I wouldn't want
to say this about anyone,
2030
01:24:07,918 --> 01:24:10,587
but he was someone
that had to die.
2031
01:24:10,587 --> 01:24:12,047
♪
2032
01:24:12,047 --> 01:24:14,717
- I get people emailing me,
2033
01:24:14,717 --> 01:24:17,219
texting me all the time...
2034
01:24:17,219 --> 01:24:19,137
and there are so many women
out there.
2035
01:24:19,137 --> 01:24:20,890
It's so sad.
2036
01:24:20,890 --> 01:24:23,225
The advice that I give them
2037
01:24:23,225 --> 01:24:25,728
is be careful.
2038
01:24:25,728 --> 01:24:27,688
Um, look at the red flags.
2039
01:24:27,688 --> 01:24:29,732
Don't engage.
2040
01:24:29,732 --> 01:24:31,734
Stay involved with your family.
2041
01:24:31,734 --> 01:24:33,694
[Richards]The point with this case
2042
01:24:33,694 --> 01:24:35,863
is that Debracould be anybody.
2043
01:24:35,863 --> 01:24:37,948
Some of the adviceI would give
2044
01:24:37,948 --> 01:24:40,158
is be very slow in terms
2045
01:24:40,158 --> 01:24:42,452
of who you invite
into your life.
2046
01:24:42,452 --> 01:24:46,540
The number one rule is:
trust your instincts.
2047
01:24:46,540 --> 01:24:49,209
This is the thing
that keeps you safe.
2048
01:24:49,209 --> 01:24:50,753
[Bowman]There is recourse.
2049
01:24:50,753 --> 01:24:52,295
There are people to help you,
2050
01:24:52,295 --> 01:24:55,674
and that if you contact
your police department
2051
01:24:55,674 --> 01:24:57,676
that there are resources that--
2052
01:24:57,676 --> 01:25:01,430
this is a crime
and that you need to be
2053
01:24:57,676 --> 01:25:01,430
your own advocate.
2054
01:25:03,223 --> 01:25:05,267
[Tonia] Of course I wishnone of this
2055
01:25:05,267 --> 01:25:07,352
had happened to me,
but without him
2056
01:25:07,352 --> 01:25:10,022
I wouldn't have Emily and Abby,
and they're the greatest things
2057
01:25:10,022 --> 01:25:12,733
that have, you know, happened
in my life.
2058
01:25:12,733 --> 01:25:14,735
Hi, Mom!
2059
01:25:14,735 --> 01:25:16,319
[harmonica playing]
2060
01:25:16,319 --> 01:25:18,072
[Tonia] Any timehe could have stopped.
2061
01:25:18,072 --> 01:25:20,407
He could have said,"I'm done with this life.
2062
01:25:20,407 --> 01:25:22,284
Those girls arethe most important."
2063
01:25:22,284 --> 01:25:25,788
John Meehan is a psychopath,
but he knew right from wrong,
2064
01:25:25,788 --> 01:25:27,831
and he chose wrong.
2065
01:25:27,831 --> 01:25:30,292
He chose himself,
he chose drugs,
2066
01:25:30,292 --> 01:25:32,795
he chose women...
2067
01:25:32,795 --> 01:25:34,880
over his children.
2068
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:36,924
No one can deny that,
2069
01:25:36,924 --> 01:25:39,969
and that's gotta hurt.
2070
01:25:39,969 --> 01:25:41,804
[Goffard] I guess the thingthat surprised me most
2071
01:25:41,804 --> 01:25:43,764
was the volume of his victims,
2072
01:25:43,764 --> 01:25:46,141
and I expect any day to get
another email
2073
01:25:46,141 --> 01:25:48,226
or another phone call
from someone
2074
01:25:48,226 --> 01:25:49,561
detailing another horror story
2075
01:25:49,561 --> 01:25:51,647
and adding another piece
to the puzzle.
2076
01:25:51,647 --> 01:25:56,068
[Jacquelyn]
John Meehan was in our life
2077
01:25:51,647 --> 01:25:56,068
for two years,
2078
01:25:56,068 --> 01:25:58,695
and it was the worst two years
of my life.
2079
01:25:58,695 --> 01:26:01,949
I was very relieved
that he was not a threat
2080
01:26:01,949 --> 01:26:03,909
to anybody anymore.
2081
01:26:03,909 --> 01:26:05,786
[Terra]In the end,
2082
01:26:05,786 --> 01:26:08,080
it brought my family
closer together.
2083
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,916
We're a lot closer
than we've ever been.
2084
01:26:10,916 --> 01:26:13,836
- We're still healing...
2085
01:26:13,836 --> 01:26:15,838
and I think that's gonna
take time.
2086
01:26:15,838 --> 01:26:19,174
It's really caused me
to rethink dating.
2087
01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:22,469
Men.
[laughs]
2088
01:26:22,469 --> 01:26:25,931
And realize that there is
good and evil in the world.
2089
01:26:25,931 --> 01:26:29,476
Luckily, in this case,
the good won.
2090
01:26:29,476 --> 01:26:33,939
[wedding guest]John Meehan's nickname
2091
01:26:29,476 --> 01:26:33,939
is "Filthy John Meehan."
2092
01:26:33,939 --> 01:26:35,732
[guest 2]Yeah, yeah!
2093
01:26:35,732 --> 01:26:37,484
♪
2094
01:26:39,319 --> 01:26:42,114
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