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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:59,300 --> 00:01:01,717 Everything just takes a while. 4 00:01:01,884 --> 00:01:04,843 Just staying with it in order to get the richness of it. 5 00:01:05,176 --> 00:01:06,467 It's too easy to move on. 6 00:01:13,759 --> 00:01:15,676 Like a sort of big sky... 7 00:01:16,300 --> 00:01:18,051 ...translates into what you're doing. 8 00:01:18,217 --> 00:01:20,968 How would that be if you could see for miles around? 9 00:01:21,884 --> 00:01:23,801 The horizon's all open. 10 00:01:29,884 --> 00:01:34,217 A ritual which shifts your state of mind... 11 00:01:34,968 --> 00:01:37,176 ...to take you somewhere else. 12 00:01:40,217 --> 00:01:44,176 There's a sense of sharing something. 13 00:01:46,759 --> 00:01:50,634 It feels like it can stand different kind of interventions. 14 00:01:50,801 --> 00:01:52,093 I really love that. 15 00:01:52,259 --> 00:01:54,384 I really love it that it goes out and has a life... 16 00:01:54,551 --> 00:01:55,926 - Yeah. - ...beyond us. 17 00:01:57,676 --> 00:01:59,051 If there's a storm coming... 18 00:02:00,176 --> 00:02:01,426 They said there was going to be. 19 00:02:01,592 --> 00:02:02,467 Yeah. 20 00:02:16,759 --> 00:02:21,176 Music is my sort of vehicle for travelling through the world, 21 00:02:21,342 --> 00:02:22,968 sort of getting through life. 22 00:02:23,634 --> 00:02:25,467 It's like I write music to do that. 23 00:02:31,926 --> 00:02:33,843 It's just kind of odd. 24 00:02:34,342 --> 00:02:36,259 It's kind of an odd thing to do. 25 00:02:37,801 --> 00:02:39,384 - Hello. How are you? - Fine. How are you? 26 00:02:39,551 --> 00:02:40,884 - Lovely to see you. - You too. 27 00:02:41,051 --> 00:02:42,342 How are you? 28 00:02:42,509 --> 00:02:45,259 - Weird. Weird and tired. - Weird and tired! 29 00:02:48,509 --> 00:02:51,676 And this piece is obviously very extreme in some ways. 30 00:02:51,843 --> 00:02:53,592 It's a gigantic thing. 31 00:02:57,009 --> 00:03:00,135 To want to do such difficult things 32 00:03:00,300 --> 00:03:02,176 is kind of odd as well. 33 00:03:03,926 --> 00:03:05,384 It's a puzzle to me. 34 00:03:06,217 --> 00:03:08,384 - Guys, you're almost there. - Alright. 35 00:03:09,176 --> 00:03:11,634 Right, folks, make sure your wristbands are on. 36 00:03:29,717 --> 00:03:32,384 The moment that I saw the complete eight-hour album, 37 00:03:32,551 --> 00:03:35,009 I listened to it, like, over and over. 38 00:03:36,135 --> 00:03:38,217 But then I stopped listening to it. 39 00:03:38,384 --> 00:03:40,884 I wanted the experience to be new again for me. 40 00:03:43,551 --> 00:03:45,051 After I booked my ticket, 41 00:03:45,217 --> 00:03:47,259 I made this Instagram post 42 00:03:47,426 --> 00:03:49,968 where it was like the gorgeous cover photo of the moon 43 00:03:50,135 --> 00:03:53,801 and I was like... So I'm gonna see this eight-and-a-half hour, 44 00:03:53,968 --> 00:03:57,051 204 movements, classical composition 45 00:03:57,217 --> 00:03:59,176 and I think I made some joke 46 00:03:59,342 --> 00:04:01,384 that I'm just gonna feel crushingly alone 47 00:04:01,551 --> 00:04:02,634 and cry the whole time, 48 00:04:02,801 --> 00:04:04,676 so that's what I'm expecting. 49 00:04:08,217 --> 00:04:11,135 I've tried not to have too many expectations. 50 00:04:11,300 --> 00:04:13,592 Like, I saw the pictures that he posted last night 51 00:04:13,759 --> 00:04:16,217 and I'm like, "Those cots are really close together!" 52 00:04:17,467 --> 00:04:19,259 You know, I mean, you have your own space, 53 00:04:19,426 --> 00:04:23,135 but, uh, usually I'm much more of a loner 54 00:04:23,300 --> 00:04:26,135 as far as not being so close to others. 55 00:04:38,926 --> 00:04:41,093 I've never watched something continuously 56 00:04:41,259 --> 00:04:42,259 for eight hours, 57 00:04:42,426 --> 00:04:45,717 so just hearing them warming up has me pretty excited. 58 00:04:48,801 --> 00:04:50,676 This is probably the ideal way 59 00:04:50,843 --> 00:04:52,342 you want to experience something like this, 60 00:04:52,509 --> 00:04:54,843 being around someone you care about or just other people. 61 00:04:57,926 --> 00:04:59,968 I don't know how to describe it. 62 00:05:00,135 --> 00:05:02,717 It's just kinda like... It hits your soul. 63 00:05:04,217 --> 00:05:07,217 It just makes me feel like connected to this world. 64 00:05:19,801 --> 00:05:21,509 I guess what I was aiming for 65 00:05:21,676 --> 00:05:25,509 is this sense of connecting to origins somehow 66 00:05:26,093 --> 00:05:27,384 and fundamentals. 67 00:05:28,259 --> 00:05:31,801 It's almost like, "Can we just start over, please?" 68 00:06:01,926 --> 00:06:03,384 Hi, hello. 69 00:06:03,551 --> 00:06:06,176 Welcome to this performance of "Sleep", 70 00:06:06,884 --> 00:06:08,801 an eight-hour lullaby. 71 00:06:10,176 --> 00:06:14,176 I'm joined this evening by the ACME Ensemble 72 00:06:14,801 --> 00:06:16,300 and Grace Davidson. 73 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:22,801 A few more thank-yous, first of all to Chris Ekers 74 00:06:22,968 --> 00:06:24,884 for his wonderful sound, 75 00:06:25,217 --> 00:06:27,551 to Steve Abbott for joining all the dots 76 00:06:28,051 --> 00:06:32,759 and especially to Yulia, my creative partner, 77 00:06:33,801 --> 00:06:36,551 whose vision is a big part of this piece. 78 00:06:38,009 --> 00:06:39,717 There are no rules. Um... 79 00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:42,467 Listen as you like, sleep as you like. 80 00:06:43,093 --> 00:06:44,676 Maybe switch the phones off 81 00:06:45,300 --> 00:06:46,759 and enjoy the trip. 82 00:06:46,968 --> 00:06:48,551 We'll see you on the other side. 83 00:12:39,217 --> 00:12:40,717 When we were younger, 84 00:12:40,884 --> 00:12:42,884 we had small children and we had no money, 85 00:12:44,051 --> 00:12:46,592 so, of course, when Max went away to do his concerts, 86 00:12:46,759 --> 00:12:50,300 I could never go and so I would stay behind. 87 00:12:50,467 --> 00:12:51,467 It was really lovely 88 00:12:51,634 --> 00:12:53,259 when people started streaming concerts 89 00:12:53,426 --> 00:12:55,093 because suddenly I could listen in, 90 00:12:55,259 --> 00:12:57,884 so I started to, every time he'd go away, 91 00:12:58,051 --> 00:13:00,135 I'd listen in to the concert and see how, you know... 92 00:13:00,300 --> 00:13:02,926 You feel nervous for your partner, you want it to go well, 93 00:13:03,093 --> 00:13:05,009 you're interested in how it goes, 94 00:13:05,176 --> 00:13:08,051 you want to be there, so it was my way of experiencing it. 95 00:13:09,176 --> 00:13:10,801 Yulia would be listening in. 96 00:13:10,968 --> 00:13:13,093 Of course, if I'm on the other side of the planet, 97 00:13:13,259 --> 00:13:15,676 it would be at some crazy hour in the middle of the night. 98 00:13:16,259 --> 00:13:17,426 I'd be exhausted. 99 00:13:17,592 --> 00:13:19,592 You know, I'd been with the kids all day. 100 00:13:19,759 --> 00:13:23,259 I was so tired, so I would almost always fall asleep. 101 00:13:25,176 --> 00:13:27,884 And pretty soon, I realised 102 00:13:28,051 --> 00:13:30,801 that there's this incredible thing that happens 103 00:13:30,968 --> 00:13:35,592 when you start just drifting in and out of this dreamy space. 104 00:13:38,300 --> 00:13:39,509 And kind of waking up 105 00:13:39,676 --> 00:13:42,093 and liminal spaces would start to develop 106 00:13:42,259 --> 00:13:46,384 and you start to listen in a totally different way 107 00:13:46,551 --> 00:13:49,300 to how you normally listen to a CD 108 00:13:49,467 --> 00:13:51,009 or a disc or even a concert. 109 00:13:51,759 --> 00:13:53,926 And it becomes a... 110 00:13:54,259 --> 00:13:58,426 It can... It becomes a very emotional listening experience. 111 00:13:59,135 --> 00:14:02,051 So when Max would come back, I'd start to talk to him about this 112 00:14:02,217 --> 00:14:05,467 and I was like, "We have to do something with this 113 00:14:05,634 --> 00:14:07,135 because this is an incredible thing." 114 00:14:07,300 --> 00:14:09,051 He said, "Well, it's funny you should say that 115 00:14:09,217 --> 00:14:12,009 because here's this piece I've been working on since 1995." 116 00:14:12,551 --> 00:14:15,093 And he starts getting out these pieces of paper, 117 00:14:15,259 --> 00:14:16,968 showing me these pieces of paper and saying, 118 00:14:17,135 --> 00:14:20,009 "I've been thinking about this myself in a different form." 119 00:14:24,009 --> 00:14:26,342 We sort of got into this conversation about 120 00:14:26,509 --> 00:14:28,467 would it be interesting to make a piece 121 00:14:28,634 --> 00:14:32,135 which is in some way made 122 00:14:32,300 --> 00:14:34,009 to exist in that space 123 00:14:34,176 --> 00:14:36,217 or to kind of have that sort of conversation 124 00:14:36,384 --> 00:14:38,843 with, you know, the sleeping mind? 125 00:14:39,009 --> 00:14:41,676 You know, the sleeping mind is as valid and valuable 126 00:14:41,843 --> 00:14:44,051 and, in fact, essential to us actually 127 00:14:44,217 --> 00:14:46,384 in terms of building our waking life. 128 00:14:47,009 --> 00:14:49,300 When we're sleeping, we're not absent. 129 00:14:49,759 --> 00:14:53,384 We're just... It's a different kind of cognitive state. 130 00:14:56,759 --> 00:14:59,926 And so we brought these two ideas together really 131 00:15:00,093 --> 00:15:02,717 and started to develop this idea 132 00:15:02,884 --> 00:15:04,968 for the piece as it is now. 133 00:15:50,093 --> 00:15:53,384 Life is busy and life is getting busier. 134 00:15:53,551 --> 00:15:54,968 I've never heard anyone say, 135 00:15:55,135 --> 00:15:57,342 "Oh, things are just getting so much slower." 136 00:15:58,676 --> 00:16:00,509 Everything is always up. 137 00:16:00,676 --> 00:16:01,968 It's moving forward. 138 00:16:02,717 --> 00:16:04,676 That's how life works. 139 00:16:04,843 --> 00:16:06,509 Things just speed up. 140 00:16:08,926 --> 00:16:12,051 That, in a way, suits corporations. 141 00:16:12,759 --> 00:16:15,384 But does it suit individuals as well? 142 00:16:18,759 --> 00:16:19,759 I don't know. 143 00:16:22,342 --> 00:16:24,426 So I wanted to make a piece which... 144 00:16:24,592 --> 00:16:27,884 It's got an element of a sort of quiet protest about it. 145 00:16:28,926 --> 00:16:31,217 Just to kind of take a look at this. 146 00:16:32,051 --> 00:16:34,009 And offer a landscape 147 00:16:34,551 --> 00:16:37,051 to withdraw from that for a minute, 148 00:16:37,467 --> 00:16:40,509 step off the wheel and take stock. 149 00:16:52,509 --> 00:16:53,926 It was a very big thing 150 00:16:54,300 --> 00:16:57,009 to bring this into the world and to get it actually made. 151 00:16:58,051 --> 00:17:00,217 That was a two, two-and-a-half-year process, 152 00:17:00,384 --> 00:17:02,342 something like that, and during that period 153 00:17:02,509 --> 00:17:04,801 when Max was composing, I was starting to look around 154 00:17:04,968 --> 00:17:06,843 for the kind of venues we could go to, 155 00:17:07,009 --> 00:17:09,968 what kind of ways we could talk about this project to people. 156 00:17:13,217 --> 00:17:15,217 I always think Yulia's the brains of the outfit. 157 00:17:16,342 --> 00:17:19,384 She comes from anthropology and film, 158 00:17:19,551 --> 00:17:22,968 so her universe is visual, performance, 159 00:17:23,135 --> 00:17:24,968 storytelling from that standpoint. 160 00:17:26,259 --> 00:17:28,009 I was developing this language 161 00:17:28,176 --> 00:17:30,634 of talking about issues that were really important to me. 162 00:17:30,801 --> 00:17:32,051 My family were refugees 163 00:17:32,592 --> 00:17:36,634 and I wanted to really explore that from every possible angle. 164 00:17:42,426 --> 00:17:44,509 One of the things that was really important to me 165 00:17:44,676 --> 00:17:48,135 was that this piece should be about community 166 00:17:48,300 --> 00:17:49,801 and should be about connection. 167 00:17:50,801 --> 00:17:52,801 Or at least providing a space for it. 168 00:17:55,759 --> 00:17:57,676 Whether it happens or not, I mean, 169 00:17:57,843 --> 00:17:59,759 that's down to an individual person. 170 00:18:00,176 --> 00:18:01,467 It doesn't have to happen either, 171 00:18:01,634 --> 00:18:03,051 but we're missing that, aren't we? 172 00:18:06,759 --> 00:18:08,884 That was one of the very first conversations we had. 173 00:18:09,051 --> 00:18:10,801 We have this eight-hour piece. Where does it go? 174 00:18:10,968 --> 00:18:12,509 How do we stage it? 175 00:18:13,135 --> 00:18:14,884 What happens with this piece 176 00:18:15,051 --> 00:18:16,801 in order to foster that kind of environment 177 00:18:16,968 --> 00:18:18,634 where something like that can happen? 178 00:18:25,968 --> 00:18:28,051 Max and Yulia showed me drawings 179 00:18:28,426 --> 00:18:32,801 of this concept of musicians surrounded by sleeping people. 180 00:18:34,884 --> 00:18:36,467 I went with a friend 181 00:18:36,634 --> 00:18:40,843 and all those strangers sleeping together, 182 00:18:41,300 --> 00:18:43,592 open postures, 183 00:18:44,093 --> 00:18:47,093 somehow takes you away from the individual details 184 00:18:47,259 --> 00:18:48,342 of your own life. 185 00:18:50,467 --> 00:18:53,259 A couple of friends said, "This is very disturbing." 186 00:18:53,426 --> 00:18:56,676 Some people couldn't imagine being in a place like that. 187 00:18:57,384 --> 00:19:00,009 But the people I could connect to understood, 188 00:19:00,176 --> 00:19:02,384 there's something about hearing it 189 00:19:02,551 --> 00:19:04,843 and not necessarily watching the performance. 190 00:19:06,009 --> 00:19:10,509 There's some deep memory of being a child and being sung to 191 00:19:10,676 --> 00:19:12,259 when you're drifting off. 192 00:19:15,384 --> 00:19:18,009 So it's such a tender offering. 193 00:19:32,843 --> 00:19:35,926 As a cathedral, we wanted to have a kind of connection 194 00:19:36,093 --> 00:19:39,051 with these problems with refugees 195 00:19:39,217 --> 00:19:41,759 and, um... and to make a connection 196 00:19:41,926 --> 00:19:43,759 with an artwork, with music. 197 00:19:46,300 --> 00:19:48,634 It was this sculpture by Koen Theys, 198 00:19:48,801 --> 00:19:52,342 with 12 bronze mattresses where people slept, 199 00:19:52,509 --> 00:19:56,176 which helped us to have this crazy idea 200 00:19:56,342 --> 00:19:58,384 of having "Sleep" in our cathedral. 201 00:19:58,884 --> 00:20:02,093 And now we have 400 of these beds. 202 00:20:07,384 --> 00:20:10,801 It was a very big unknown for all of us 203 00:20:10,968 --> 00:20:13,093 who worked to prepare for it. 204 00:20:13,509 --> 00:20:15,968 At the same time, there was this vibe 205 00:20:16,135 --> 00:20:19,300 of "this is something very special", 206 00:20:19,551 --> 00:20:22,342 which has never happened and probably never will again. 207 00:20:25,968 --> 00:20:29,051 I think we've had something like 250 enquiries 208 00:20:29,509 --> 00:20:30,551 for the show 209 00:20:30,717 --> 00:20:31,968 and I think it's about 18 210 00:20:32,135 --> 00:20:34,592 that actually we've been able to put on. 211 00:20:37,176 --> 00:20:40,135 Each show takes more or less two years to pull off 212 00:20:40,592 --> 00:20:43,384 from the first conversations to when they finally go on. 213 00:20:45,051 --> 00:20:47,509 For every venue, it's a real labour of love as well. 214 00:20:47,676 --> 00:20:49,717 Yeah, so it's a big juggernaut of a thing, 215 00:20:49,884 --> 00:20:51,051 but it's so worth it. 216 00:20:54,926 --> 00:20:56,676 Welcome to Max Richter's "Sleep" 217 00:20:57,843 --> 00:21:00,551 at Grand Park, presented by the Music Center. 218 00:21:01,426 --> 00:21:03,551 Tonight's performance is the first outdoor 219 00:21:03,717 --> 00:21:05,259 and the largest ever. 220 00:21:05,634 --> 00:21:09,093 We are hopefully unplugging from our everyday life 221 00:21:09,259 --> 00:21:12,467 to experience this beautiful concert together 222 00:21:12,634 --> 00:21:15,217 right in the heart of downtown LA. 223 00:21:17,968 --> 00:21:20,884 Max basically says, "You can walk around, 224 00:21:21,051 --> 00:21:22,801 you can sit up, you can lie down, 225 00:21:22,968 --> 00:21:24,676 you can disconnect, you can sleep." 226 00:21:26,009 --> 00:21:30,467 And I think that freedom sort of that Max wrote into the piece 227 00:21:30,634 --> 00:21:32,717 and into the presentation of the piece, 228 00:21:32,884 --> 00:21:36,426 I thought it would get augmented by putting it outdoors 229 00:21:36,592 --> 00:21:38,676 and sort of giving it that additional freedom. 230 00:21:57,884 --> 00:22:01,135 He was never interested in talking to an audience 231 00:22:01,300 --> 00:22:04,926 of 100 people who know about classical music, 232 00:22:05,093 --> 00:22:09,342 so he engaged in a language which is a plain-spoken language 233 00:22:10,467 --> 00:22:12,968 because he wants to connect to a lot of people 234 00:22:13,135 --> 00:22:16,342 and that's immediately frowned on 235 00:22:16,509 --> 00:22:18,551 within a lot of classical communities. 236 00:22:19,634 --> 00:22:21,717 If you're popular, that can't be good. 237 00:22:22,759 --> 00:22:24,884 And obviously we weren't paying attention to any of that 238 00:22:25,051 --> 00:22:27,051 because we're not interested in that conversation at all. 239 00:22:27,217 --> 00:22:29,426 Our conversation is about talking to a lot of people 240 00:22:29,592 --> 00:22:32,551 and talking about a different way of listening to music. 241 00:22:37,051 --> 00:22:38,843 There are precedent pieces. 242 00:22:39,009 --> 00:22:41,884 In Indian classical music you have overnight ragas 243 00:22:42,051 --> 00:22:45,342 and there's gallery work from the '60s of Fluxus 244 00:22:45,509 --> 00:22:47,926 and the Bach Goldberg Variations 245 00:22:48,093 --> 00:22:50,968 which were supposedly written for overnight performance. 246 00:22:52,509 --> 00:22:54,426 It's not like sonic wallpaper 247 00:22:54,592 --> 00:22:56,426 which is just quietly bubbling in the background. 248 00:22:57,176 --> 00:23:00,342 It's an artwork and it's to be experienced, 249 00:23:00,509 --> 00:23:02,968 not necessarily to be listened to, 250 00:23:03,135 --> 00:23:04,467 but to be experienced 251 00:23:04,634 --> 00:23:07,176 in the way that we experience a landscape, we're in it. 252 00:23:24,467 --> 00:23:27,551 People are free to do what they want in the show. 253 00:23:28,634 --> 00:23:30,384 We didn't want too many rules 254 00:23:30,551 --> 00:23:33,259 and that's reflected in all the concerts. They're all different. 255 00:23:33,426 --> 00:23:36,717 In Berlin, everyone shoved their beds together 256 00:23:36,884 --> 00:23:39,676 and you had families all sleeping side by side. 257 00:23:40,592 --> 00:23:44,259 It offers something where people can feel cocooned, safe somehow. 258 00:23:47,968 --> 00:23:50,551 It's not a performance in the traditional sense. 259 00:23:50,968 --> 00:23:52,467 If you play a gig, 260 00:23:52,634 --> 00:23:55,135 you're projecting this material really strongly, 261 00:23:55,300 --> 00:23:56,759 you're trying to tell a story... 262 00:24:00,176 --> 00:24:03,259 ...whereas in the case of a "Sleep" performance, 263 00:24:03,426 --> 00:24:05,259 the dynamics are completely different. 264 00:24:06,051 --> 00:24:08,759 Those people sleeping are the story. 265 00:24:13,342 --> 00:24:16,926 10:28. To sleep, perchance to dream. 266 00:24:18,009 --> 00:24:20,259 Sombre. Life noises. 267 00:24:20,426 --> 00:24:24,217 The wild sirens, chattering of people checking in 268 00:24:24,384 --> 00:24:25,884 melts with the music, 269 00:24:26,259 --> 00:24:28,634 creates a tone like in the movies 270 00:24:28,801 --> 00:24:30,759 after something serious has happened. 271 00:24:43,884 --> 00:24:45,467 I heard about the concert 272 00:24:45,634 --> 00:24:48,093 and I was like, "I don't think my wife would want to go. 273 00:24:48,259 --> 00:24:50,259 It sounds too weird." Then I told her about it. 274 00:24:50,426 --> 00:24:54,009 She's like, "It's sleep and it's music? What's not to like?" 275 00:24:54,176 --> 00:24:56,426 I was surprised she waited as long as she did 276 00:24:56,592 --> 00:24:57,717 to say something about it. 277 00:24:57,884 --> 00:24:59,759 I guess she had known about it for a while. 278 00:25:06,176 --> 00:25:07,634 I was really happy to see her asleep. 279 00:25:07,801 --> 00:25:09,384 Yeah, I was a little worried 280 00:25:09,551 --> 00:25:11,676 that because we were out in the open 281 00:25:11,884 --> 00:25:13,509 among all these strangers that... 282 00:25:13,676 --> 00:25:15,551 - And the bugs. - And the bugs. 283 00:25:16,217 --> 00:25:18,551 ...she was gonna end up being not happy, 284 00:25:18,717 --> 00:25:20,759 but apparently, her body was like, 285 00:25:20,926 --> 00:25:22,926 "No, I can go to sleep now." 286 00:25:23,093 --> 00:25:24,176 Like, I zonked out, 287 00:25:24,342 --> 00:25:28,467 like, pretty much 15, 20 minutes into the concert, I was out. 288 00:25:28,634 --> 00:25:30,342 Legit, like, all night. 289 00:25:30,509 --> 00:25:32,217 - Yeah. - Which is surprising. 290 00:25:34,968 --> 00:25:38,051 Being a woman in our relationship, 291 00:25:38,217 --> 00:25:41,759 you are kind of on guard, always watching your back, 292 00:25:41,926 --> 00:25:44,384 you don't know who's looking at you, what they're thinking, 293 00:25:44,551 --> 00:25:48,093 what they're thinking of you and how you're making them feel. 294 00:25:49,176 --> 00:25:52,551 I feel like I always... always feel, like, unsafe. 295 00:25:59,426 --> 00:26:01,342 You obviously have something in common 296 00:26:01,509 --> 00:26:04,759 'cause you've all come together around this event. 297 00:26:06,467 --> 00:26:08,217 It's just fascinating. You see people. 298 00:26:08,384 --> 00:26:11,342 You're like, "I wonder would we be hanging out together? 299 00:26:11,509 --> 00:26:13,217 Would we be buddies if I went over 300 00:26:13,384 --> 00:26:15,759 and struck up a conversation with you right now?" 301 00:26:16,676 --> 00:26:19,676 Like, yeah, you did feel kind of safe and protected. 302 00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:50,426 The first one was memorable 303 00:26:50,592 --> 00:26:53,093 in that it was just so terrifying 304 00:26:53,259 --> 00:26:56,093 because we just did not know how to play this piece. 305 00:26:56,759 --> 00:26:58,592 How do you rehearse something that size? 306 00:27:00,009 --> 00:27:02,509 The gallery is full of these amazing curios 307 00:27:02,676 --> 00:27:04,176 of 19th century science. 308 00:27:05,509 --> 00:27:08,176 It seemed in a way an appropriate place to do it 309 00:27:08,342 --> 00:27:11,426 because "Sleep" has some of its origins 310 00:27:11,592 --> 00:27:13,801 in, I guess, sleep science. 311 00:27:17,051 --> 00:27:20,551 We rehearsed it overnight and then we had the next day, 312 00:27:21,135 --> 00:27:24,342 and I was up fixing the parts, all the mistakes I discovered, 313 00:27:24,509 --> 00:27:26,051 all the technical stuff. 314 00:27:27,843 --> 00:27:29,968 And then we played overnight live on Radio 3. 315 00:27:31,259 --> 00:27:32,801 They broadcast it all night long, 316 00:27:33,968 --> 00:27:35,968 so it was kind of a baptism of fire. 317 00:27:38,634 --> 00:27:41,051 I was very lucky to be invited 318 00:27:41,217 --> 00:27:43,384 to be one of the people to fall to sleep 319 00:27:43,551 --> 00:27:45,801 to his music at the Wellcome Foundation. 320 00:27:48,009 --> 00:27:49,968 I think it broke a world record 321 00:27:50,135 --> 00:27:52,509 for the longest continuous piece on the radio. 322 00:27:54,384 --> 00:27:56,467 Once the piece kicked off it was clear 323 00:27:56,634 --> 00:27:58,676 that there was something wrong with the piano 324 00:27:58,843 --> 00:27:59,926 that Max was playing at, 325 00:28:00,093 --> 00:28:03,384 that there was some really tinny sound coming out of that. 326 00:28:04,384 --> 00:28:06,926 And then one of the crew crept up, 327 00:28:07,093 --> 00:28:09,801 climbed on top of this grand piano 328 00:28:09,968 --> 00:28:11,968 and started trying to investigate what... 329 00:28:12,135 --> 00:28:13,551 But the piece had to keep on going. 330 00:28:13,717 --> 00:28:14,843 This was a live broadcast 331 00:28:15,009 --> 00:28:17,176 of this piece that was gonna go on for eight hours 332 00:28:17,342 --> 00:28:19,843 and there was no way we were stopping and starting again. 333 00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:26,676 We got through it and it had a real kind of energy, 334 00:28:26,843 --> 00:28:29,384 it had a real sort of gravitational force around it. 335 00:28:31,009 --> 00:28:33,176 It just seemed to kind of affect people, 336 00:28:33,342 --> 00:28:35,259 so that was exciting. 337 00:28:38,801 --> 00:28:42,009 My work comes out of the polarity 338 00:28:42,176 --> 00:28:44,634 between a very straightforward, classical, 339 00:28:44,801 --> 00:28:48,426 conservatoire, university, composer education. 340 00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:53,135 And my enthusiasm for electronic music, 341 00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:55,592 ambient music, the studio as instrument. 342 00:29:06,009 --> 00:29:10,801 It has its roots in the kind of Renaissance 343 00:29:10,968 --> 00:29:14,009 where music was structured very geometrically. 344 00:29:17,300 --> 00:29:21,676 It's also a rejection of super-complicated modernism 345 00:29:22,176 --> 00:29:23,426 which I was schooled in, 346 00:29:24,051 --> 00:29:26,676 but which I felt had really lost its connection 347 00:29:26,843 --> 00:29:28,093 with a broader audience. 348 00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:31,759 I felt like I wanted to build a language 349 00:29:31,926 --> 00:29:33,717 which had a kind of directness. 350 00:29:39,259 --> 00:29:40,759 When Max and I first met, 351 00:29:40,926 --> 00:29:43,592 I was giving a talk about maths and symmetry. 352 00:29:44,217 --> 00:29:46,300 I think there was an immediate connection. 353 00:29:47,342 --> 00:29:49,093 There's always been an immediate connection 354 00:29:49,259 --> 00:29:50,384 between maths and music. 355 00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:53,300 Like every piece, 356 00:29:53,467 --> 00:29:56,093 it's a big series of "what if" questions. 357 00:29:57,426 --> 00:30:00,300 I started thinking about what kind of music 358 00:30:01,217 --> 00:30:03,676 would I want if I was sleeping? 359 00:30:04,176 --> 00:30:06,717 And I started thinking I would like to feel 360 00:30:07,176 --> 00:30:10,259 that if I wake up in the middle, I want to know where I am. 361 00:30:12,467 --> 00:30:16,176 Mathematics is actually the science of patterns 362 00:30:16,342 --> 00:30:18,551 and music is the art of patterns. 363 00:30:18,717 --> 00:30:20,259 And that's the connection. 364 00:30:21,259 --> 00:30:24,176 So you take something simple like the Fibonacci numbers. 365 00:30:24,676 --> 00:30:26,592 So these are numbers which go: 366 00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:28,551 1, 1, 2, 3, 367 00:30:28,717 --> 00:30:31,093 5, 8, 13. 368 00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:32,843 You get the next number 369 00:30:33,009 --> 00:30:34,968 by adding the two previous numbers together. 370 00:30:36,884 --> 00:30:40,342 These have a natural growth which is what nature uses a lot, 371 00:30:40,509 --> 00:30:42,426 so the number of petals on a flower 372 00:30:42,926 --> 00:30:44,884 is invariably a Fibonacci number, 373 00:30:45,051 --> 00:30:48,592 the way that shells grow or pine cones or pineapples... 374 00:30:49,342 --> 00:30:51,676 You'll see these numbers all over the place. 375 00:30:52,926 --> 00:30:55,676 But these are also numbers that composers love using, 376 00:30:55,843 --> 00:31:00,300 so you see Debussy, Bartók very deliberately using them 377 00:31:00,467 --> 00:31:03,759 to give a sense of growth in their pieces. 378 00:31:06,801 --> 00:31:10,509 One of the things that connects the world of art 379 00:31:10,676 --> 00:31:12,634 and the world of mathematics and science as well 380 00:31:12,801 --> 00:31:16,217 is that all of these are actually our response 381 00:31:16,384 --> 00:31:18,009 to the natural world around us. 382 00:31:19,135 --> 00:31:22,676 They're our language trying to help us navigate our way 383 00:31:22,843 --> 00:31:24,926 through the kind of chaos that we live in. 384 00:31:29,009 --> 00:31:31,884 I felt like slightly in freefall when I was writing it. 385 00:31:32,051 --> 00:31:34,968 I was like, "I don't really know if this is gonna work." 386 00:31:36,176 --> 00:31:38,592 When you're composing, the notes you're writing, 387 00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:40,801 you're very much writing them in relation to everything 388 00:31:40,968 --> 00:31:43,176 that's happened already and everything that's gonna happen. 389 00:31:48,634 --> 00:31:50,300 When there's a structure that big, 390 00:31:50,801 --> 00:31:53,342 you can't hold it all in your mind any more, 391 00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:55,467 so you really have to just write the moment, 392 00:31:56,135 --> 00:31:57,135 which is freaky 393 00:31:57,300 --> 00:31:59,592 and goes against all your compositional training. 394 00:32:01,926 --> 00:32:05,342 When you're recording sections of 30 or 40 minutes, 395 00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:10,009 you can't do that on tape and it's eight hours of multi-track. 396 00:32:12,467 --> 00:32:15,135 So it broke the machine in all sorts of different ways 397 00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:17,759 and we had to invent new ways of working. 398 00:32:18,968 --> 00:32:22,093 For me, that is also the exciting thing 399 00:32:22,259 --> 00:32:23,259 about creative work. 400 00:32:23,426 --> 00:32:26,843 You've got this space that you know how to do that. 401 00:32:27,009 --> 00:32:29,384 I know how to write Max Richter music 402 00:32:30,176 --> 00:32:31,426 up to this point. 403 00:32:34,093 --> 00:32:36,843 But actually "Sleep" is stepping out of that pool of light 404 00:32:37,009 --> 00:32:39,467 into something else, into the dark 405 00:32:39,634 --> 00:32:41,509 and just finding what's out there. 406 00:34:07,384 --> 00:34:08,676 I always describe it 407 00:34:08,843 --> 00:34:11,551 as if all the happiness had left the world, 408 00:34:11,717 --> 00:34:13,135 but I was good with it, 409 00:34:13,300 --> 00:34:15,467 as if there was nothing else to lose. 410 00:34:20,843 --> 00:34:22,801 Especially if I'm full of anguish, 411 00:34:23,467 --> 00:34:24,634 if I need to relax 412 00:34:24,801 --> 00:34:26,676 or I need to stop worrying 413 00:34:26,843 --> 00:34:28,843 about what's gonna happen in the future. 414 00:35:00,009 --> 00:35:01,384 Max's music... 415 00:35:02,551 --> 00:35:07,093 cleans your soul if you want to say it that way. 416 00:35:13,926 --> 00:35:17,342 It is as if he had found something 417 00:35:17,509 --> 00:35:20,384 that has already existed for, I don't know, 418 00:35:20,551 --> 00:35:22,135 thousands of years, 419 00:35:22,634 --> 00:35:24,592 that is familiar to humans 420 00:35:24,759 --> 00:35:26,968 like the sound of the sea 421 00:35:27,135 --> 00:35:30,426 or the grass with the wind. 422 00:35:30,592 --> 00:35:34,135 It is something that makes us soothe and relax 423 00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:38,135 and, and...and makes you feel that everything is OK. 424 00:35:43,634 --> 00:35:46,217 As if all humans spoke the same language 425 00:35:46,384 --> 00:35:49,717 and that we have to translate it to English or Spanish 426 00:35:49,884 --> 00:35:51,384 or whatever language you speak. 427 00:35:56,217 --> 00:35:58,009 Everybody can understand it 428 00:35:58,176 --> 00:36:02,051 and you don't need to be a special kind of person 429 00:36:02,217 --> 00:36:05,926 to know what he wants to say and then the feelings are immediate. 430 00:36:11,551 --> 00:36:15,717 It was not new. It was as if I had been there all my life. 431 00:36:17,801 --> 00:36:20,009 It was just like a continuation 432 00:36:20,176 --> 00:36:23,259 of something that you already know very well. 433 00:36:25,426 --> 00:36:27,634 Like kissing your mother 434 00:36:27,801 --> 00:36:31,634 or being with someone you love very much. 435 00:37:14,176 --> 00:37:16,467 I talked to a friend of mine, David Eagleman, 436 00:37:16,634 --> 00:37:17,801 he's a neuroscientist, 437 00:37:17,968 --> 00:37:21,135 just to check that my instincts about sleep music 438 00:37:21,300 --> 00:37:22,717 were not actually stupid. 439 00:37:25,051 --> 00:37:27,217 He pointed me at some research 440 00:37:27,384 --> 00:37:30,009 about how sound and a sleeping mind can join up. 441 00:37:34,592 --> 00:37:35,926 To my knowledge, 442 00:37:36,093 --> 00:37:37,884 it's the first time that somebody has said, 443 00:37:38,051 --> 00:37:40,009 "All right, we're gonna write eight hours of music 444 00:37:40,176 --> 00:37:42,426 and we're gonna try to do things 445 00:37:42,592 --> 00:37:45,009 to keep people in a state of sleep." 446 00:37:46,509 --> 00:37:48,551 So one of the first things that Max and I talked about 447 00:37:48,717 --> 00:37:54,009 was about repetition of music during sleep and how... 448 00:37:54,217 --> 00:37:55,843 Essentially what happens in the brain 449 00:37:56,009 --> 00:37:59,009 is you've got lots of cells, 86 billion neurons, 450 00:37:59,176 --> 00:38:01,051 and they're all doing their own thing, 451 00:38:01,217 --> 00:38:03,634 but when you fall asleep, they come into concert more 452 00:38:03,801 --> 00:38:05,717 and move as a group 453 00:38:05,884 --> 00:38:08,592 which is why if you put electrodes on the head, 454 00:38:08,759 --> 00:38:10,426 you can measure the slow wave 455 00:38:10,592 --> 00:38:12,384 happening in the brain during sleep. 456 00:38:12,551 --> 00:38:14,676 So we talked about the kind of rhythms 457 00:38:15,259 --> 00:38:17,509 that would be appropriate for that sort of thing, 458 00:38:17,676 --> 00:38:19,384 about the kind of repetition 459 00:38:19,551 --> 00:38:21,968 that sleep represents, the sleeping brain. 460 00:38:24,926 --> 00:38:28,259 So Max set out to make sure that the music he was writing 461 00:38:28,426 --> 00:38:31,634 was sort of, you know, rhythmically consonant 462 00:38:31,801 --> 00:38:33,426 with slow-wave sleep. 463 00:38:43,342 --> 00:38:45,217 Sleep has a very particular flavour. 464 00:38:45,384 --> 00:38:47,384 It's a very particular colour, right, 465 00:38:47,551 --> 00:38:49,259 because it's all about the bottom 466 00:38:49,426 --> 00:38:51,551 of the frequency spectrum. 467 00:38:52,051 --> 00:38:56,759 And almost all of sleep happens from, like, 100 hertz down 468 00:38:56,926 --> 00:39:00,926 which is a space which isn't really available 469 00:39:01,093 --> 00:39:02,676 with acoustic instruments. 470 00:39:06,676 --> 00:39:07,843 In the natural world, 471 00:39:08,009 --> 00:39:10,217 we hear those frequencies in thunderstorms. 472 00:39:10,592 --> 00:39:11,801 And those sorts of things. 473 00:39:12,634 --> 00:39:15,509 And that's in a way why they have a magical quality 474 00:39:16,009 --> 00:39:18,384 because we can't actually really make those sounds 475 00:39:18,551 --> 00:39:20,384 with acoustic instruments very easily, 476 00:39:20,551 --> 00:39:22,300 or we can but only very quiet. 477 00:39:24,759 --> 00:39:27,217 And for a piece to be structured 478 00:39:27,384 --> 00:39:30,300 around that bit of the frequency spectrum 479 00:39:30,926 --> 00:39:33,009 is interesting to do 480 00:39:33,176 --> 00:39:35,342 which is why the synthesisers are so incredible 481 00:39:35,509 --> 00:39:37,759 because they unlock that bit of the spectrum. 482 00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:54,717 I was about 13 when I first heard electronic music, really. 483 00:39:59,634 --> 00:40:03,801 On a TV show they used Kraftwerk's "Autobahn" 484 00:40:04,342 --> 00:40:06,259 and when I heard the opening, 485 00:40:07,009 --> 00:40:10,051 I mean, it was like being struck by lightning for me. 486 00:40:20,135 --> 00:40:23,259 You feel like you're interacting with a thing which has a life 487 00:40:23,426 --> 00:40:24,968 because the sound is never the same. 488 00:40:25,342 --> 00:40:26,634 You know, the next day, 489 00:40:26,801 --> 00:40:28,926 even the same patch sounds different. Very organic. 490 00:40:36,259 --> 00:40:37,884 I set out on this mission 491 00:40:38,051 --> 00:40:39,968 to try and discover, A, what this sound was 492 00:40:40,135 --> 00:40:41,717 and B, how could I get my hands on it? 493 00:40:44,467 --> 00:40:48,176 And at that time, a synthesiser cost as much as a house. 494 00:40:49,384 --> 00:40:51,509 I got schematics 495 00:40:51,926 --> 00:40:55,342 and a soldering iron and bags of components 496 00:40:55,509 --> 00:40:58,884 and just started in my bedroom building synthesisers 497 00:40:59,051 --> 00:41:01,467 and, you know, just tried to make those sounds. 498 00:41:03,968 --> 00:41:07,968 And that went sort of together with studying academic music. 499 00:41:08,509 --> 00:41:10,509 I always felt that was quite natural, really, 500 00:41:10,676 --> 00:41:11,843 those two things. 501 00:41:16,259 --> 00:41:20,176 The way the music is made is quite uncharacteristic for me. 502 00:41:22,968 --> 00:41:26,968 It has a lot of affirmation in the way it's structured. 503 00:41:29,384 --> 00:41:30,801 It's sort of asking a question 504 00:41:30,968 --> 00:41:33,176 and then giving you the answer that you want. 505 00:41:34,676 --> 00:41:37,467 It feels good as it goes by because of that. 506 00:41:38,217 --> 00:41:40,509 So you kind of know where you're going all the time 507 00:41:40,676 --> 00:41:42,426 and then it goes there 508 00:41:42,968 --> 00:41:45,843 which is like, you know, not what happens in real life. 509 00:41:47,217 --> 00:41:51,926 So it's a wish fulfilment for "if only life were like this". 510 00:42:27,926 --> 00:42:29,217 Look at that, Max. 511 00:42:29,676 --> 00:42:31,093 It's really beautiful. 512 00:42:31,259 --> 00:42:32,843 It's pretty awesome, yeah. 513 00:42:34,384 --> 00:42:36,217 The thing I find that's so incredible 514 00:42:36,384 --> 00:42:39,135 is when you're sitting in your office or studio 515 00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:41,467 and you're trying to conjure up this whole world, 516 00:42:42,051 --> 00:42:43,801 and then you come out here 517 00:42:44,426 --> 00:42:46,801 and it just kind of pours out of you, doesn't it? 518 00:42:46,968 --> 00:42:48,426 We met for the first time twice. 519 00:42:52,551 --> 00:42:53,968 It was the Edinburgh Festival 520 00:42:54,717 --> 00:42:59,009 and there was a performance of the Mahabharata, 521 00:42:59,509 --> 00:43:00,843 you know, this wonderful epic. 522 00:43:01,884 --> 00:43:04,009 So there's like about 100 people on the stage 523 00:43:04,176 --> 00:43:06,259 and about 11 of us in the audience. 524 00:43:06,676 --> 00:43:08,342 I'm sitting there in this thing 525 00:43:08,509 --> 00:43:12,592 and I keep kind of looking at this woman on the stage. 526 00:43:12,759 --> 00:43:15,509 And I'm just like, "Wow, she looks amazing! 527 00:43:16,051 --> 00:43:17,843 I'd really love to get to know her." 528 00:43:18,051 --> 00:43:19,592 And then I walked out of the theatre 529 00:43:19,759 --> 00:43:21,551 and I was like, "You're never gonna see her again, 530 00:43:21,717 --> 00:43:24,135 just get over it, forget about it, get on with your life." 531 00:43:24,843 --> 00:43:27,176 And I love that phase so much 532 00:43:27,342 --> 00:43:29,217 when everything is possible still, 533 00:43:29,384 --> 00:43:32,009 when there's nothing in the way and everything's just... 534 00:43:32,176 --> 00:43:35,884 Then we met again at a theatre 535 00:43:36,051 --> 00:43:38,843 that I was involved with and Yulia was involved with. 536 00:43:39,426 --> 00:43:41,426 I was working in a theatre company for a while. 537 00:43:41,592 --> 00:43:44,217 That's where I met Max because I gave him his first job. 538 00:43:45,135 --> 00:43:47,759 Like a sort of energy exchange... 539 00:43:47,926 --> 00:43:49,509 So we were just chatting away 540 00:43:49,676 --> 00:43:52,051 in the back of the theatre basically 541 00:43:52,217 --> 00:43:53,843 while we were supposed to be working. 542 00:43:54,801 --> 00:43:56,551 That kind of unmade works 543 00:43:56,717 --> 00:43:58,426 and works without any mistakes in them. 544 00:43:58,592 --> 00:43:59,592 Yeah. 545 00:44:00,968 --> 00:44:02,551 - And that's... - So exciting. 546 00:44:02,801 --> 00:44:05,759 When we first met, that was what drew us together, 547 00:44:05,926 --> 00:44:07,259 I think, was talking. 548 00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:09,592 Yeah, we were just like... 549 00:44:10,217 --> 00:44:12,884 We just talked about life, the universe and everything. 550 00:44:14,509 --> 00:44:15,592 And that was that. 551 00:44:19,968 --> 00:44:23,176 I just thought I'd just met the most interesting 552 00:44:23,342 --> 00:44:26,384 and kind of kindest and most thoughtful person. 553 00:44:28,009 --> 00:44:29,551 Like, I still think that. 554 00:44:35,051 --> 00:44:36,801 It's tough to make enough money 555 00:44:36,968 --> 00:44:38,300 to feed three kids as an artist, 556 00:44:38,467 --> 00:44:42,300 but it's also been an incredibly interesting journey. 557 00:44:44,926 --> 00:44:48,176 We both had quite complicated childhoods in different ways. 558 00:44:49,342 --> 00:44:53,135 And there is a flavour to that that affects your whole life, 559 00:44:54,217 --> 00:44:58,717 so one of the things that was very comforting 560 00:44:58,884 --> 00:45:00,093 and easy for us together 561 00:45:00,259 --> 00:45:02,384 was the fact that we shared that 562 00:45:02,551 --> 00:45:05,884 and, in a way, that's another lifelong journey, isn't it, 563 00:45:06,051 --> 00:45:07,342 is processing that. 564 00:45:08,467 --> 00:45:09,926 And if you're kind of shy 565 00:45:10,093 --> 00:45:13,884 and poetic like he was, then you do that through music. 566 00:45:19,384 --> 00:45:21,259 I started making records 567 00:45:21,426 --> 00:45:25,467 and I made "Memoryhouse" in 2002. 568 00:45:26,009 --> 00:45:28,634 It was almost like a series of questions 569 00:45:29,176 --> 00:45:33,176 to see if a language could do all these things I wanted to do. 570 00:45:35,467 --> 00:45:38,300 And kind of no one heard that record. 571 00:45:39,551 --> 00:45:41,551 I mean, other musicians heard it 572 00:45:41,717 --> 00:45:45,135 and it had a kind of a little, tiny, culty sort of audience. 573 00:45:45,551 --> 00:45:47,801 But, you know, the record label was shut down. 574 00:45:47,968 --> 00:45:49,300 We never got to play it. 575 00:45:49,843 --> 00:45:51,093 Nothing happened. 576 00:45:58,467 --> 00:46:00,676 It really took a while, years and years and years, 577 00:46:00,843 --> 00:46:02,801 before anyone really paid attention to... 578 00:46:03,843 --> 00:46:06,884 You know, the number of times we had to, like, go to Plan B. 579 00:46:07,884 --> 00:46:10,342 We were, like, moving house randomly. 580 00:46:10,634 --> 00:46:13,217 You know, it was just very chaotic. 581 00:46:13,384 --> 00:46:16,217 I mean, it's tough. It's tough to make a living. It really is. 582 00:46:19,509 --> 00:46:23,676 Trying to, you know, make records to a high standard 583 00:46:24,426 --> 00:46:27,426 with real musicians on them, it costs money 584 00:46:27,592 --> 00:46:28,926 which I didn't have. 585 00:46:30,509 --> 00:46:32,426 I remember at the "Blue Notebooks" sessions, 586 00:46:32,592 --> 00:46:34,426 we recorded it in one day. 587 00:46:35,093 --> 00:46:37,093 One afternoon, in fact, with the strings, 588 00:46:37,467 --> 00:46:39,009 cos that's the money we had. 589 00:46:40,093 --> 00:46:43,843 And I remember trying to get home from a session 590 00:46:44,009 --> 00:46:46,634 and not being able to get any money out of the bank 591 00:46:46,801 --> 00:46:47,968 because we had no money. 592 00:46:53,384 --> 00:46:56,135 That's the constant question for artists, isn't it? 593 00:46:56,676 --> 00:46:57,926 Do you persevere? 594 00:47:00,926 --> 00:47:02,717 When he did "Vivaldi Recomposed", 595 00:47:02,884 --> 00:47:05,509 he was still walking 40, 60 minutes across town 596 00:47:05,676 --> 00:47:07,676 to interviews because we couldn't afford the fare 597 00:47:07,843 --> 00:47:09,509 and we certainly went through many years 598 00:47:09,676 --> 00:47:11,968 where we would feed the children rather than ourselves. 599 00:47:18,884 --> 00:47:22,384 I mean, most people do not make a living in any art form, 600 00:47:22,551 --> 00:47:23,843 so what do you do 601 00:47:24,009 --> 00:47:26,676 when you're faced with that and you have children? 602 00:47:28,592 --> 00:47:30,884 You're so responsible for these little people 603 00:47:31,051 --> 00:47:33,509 and you can't muck it up. 604 00:47:48,926 --> 00:47:54,135 Not bad, Al! Only played that all summer. Pretty nice. 605 00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:55,926 I got that one wrong. I didn't do that one. 606 00:47:56,093 --> 00:47:58,342 Yeah, but you did it the same both times, so it's cool. 607 00:47:59,509 --> 00:48:00,551 That was really nice. 608 00:48:00,717 --> 00:48:02,135 Really nice. 609 00:48:05,217 --> 00:48:07,592 I mean, I didn't support the family for years. 610 00:48:08,884 --> 00:48:10,676 We just kind of scratched by. 611 00:48:10,843 --> 00:48:13,759 And I think if I had been able to imagine doing anything else, 612 00:48:13,926 --> 00:48:15,259 I probably would have. 613 00:48:29,759 --> 00:48:31,009 Eventually, I got ill, 614 00:48:31,176 --> 00:48:33,009 because I was just so malnourished. 615 00:48:33,176 --> 00:48:35,676 You just think you're somehow invincible, don't you? 616 00:48:35,843 --> 00:48:37,426 And you keep going. 617 00:48:37,592 --> 00:48:40,217 Your body's showing you all the signs of, 618 00:48:40,384 --> 00:48:41,968 "You can stop now," 619 00:48:42,135 --> 00:48:44,384 and you go, "No, no, it's OK. I can keep going." 620 00:48:44,551 --> 00:48:47,384 Obviously, you can't in the end, so I did become quite sick. 621 00:48:49,592 --> 00:48:52,592 I guess it's the first time I'd really thought about 622 00:48:53,384 --> 00:48:56,843 how we're living our lives, how I'm...what I'm doing. 623 00:48:59,259 --> 00:49:01,300 I mean, of course it's... You know, 624 00:49:01,467 --> 00:49:03,051 the fact of our mortality is real, 625 00:49:03,217 --> 00:49:05,717 but it's only real when it's real, you know, 626 00:49:05,884 --> 00:49:08,051 because we keep it away. 627 00:49:08,217 --> 00:49:10,342 We keep those thoughts away by doing other things. 628 00:49:14,135 --> 00:49:18,634 Quite a big bit of thinking about what to, you know... 629 00:49:18,801 --> 00:49:20,676 what those things mean, 630 00:49:20,843 --> 00:49:23,093 but then do what, you know? 631 00:49:23,259 --> 00:49:26,384 Give up and do what? I don't know. 632 00:49:34,467 --> 00:49:37,467 I guess things do add up over time, you know. 633 00:49:40,051 --> 00:49:44,426 And "Blue Notebooks" did sort of catch people's ears somehow. 634 00:49:46,135 --> 00:49:48,551 It just seemed to... It started something. 635 00:49:50,551 --> 00:49:53,509 I mean, we got the opportunity to premiere "Memoryhouse" 636 00:49:53,676 --> 00:49:55,801 ten years after it was released, 637 00:49:55,968 --> 00:49:58,051 which we did in the Barbican in London. 638 00:49:58,801 --> 00:50:01,509 The place was full and it was like, you know, a love-in. 639 00:50:01,676 --> 00:50:03,300 It was like a homecoming. 640 00:50:04,968 --> 00:50:07,300 There was something wonderful about that, you know. 641 00:50:07,467 --> 00:50:10,676 To just kind of keep going and ten years later here we are. 642 00:50:16,384 --> 00:50:18,884 Writing a piece like "Sleep" takes over two years. 643 00:50:19,051 --> 00:50:21,093 So those two years have to be funded. 644 00:50:23,093 --> 00:50:26,968 And the way we found our way through eventually 645 00:50:27,135 --> 00:50:29,551 was we came up with a little formula, actually, 646 00:50:29,717 --> 00:50:31,384 of how to feed ourselves, which was 647 00:50:31,551 --> 00:50:34,592 that Max would do film work and that film work, 648 00:50:34,759 --> 00:50:37,676 the money would go back into the art, always. 649 00:50:37,843 --> 00:50:40,592 So he could, at night, work on "Sleep". 650 00:50:42,467 --> 00:50:44,384 I got into the habit of writing at night 651 00:50:44,551 --> 00:50:45,717 when the kids were small. 652 00:50:46,384 --> 00:50:47,717 We used to put them to bed 653 00:50:47,884 --> 00:50:51,176 and then I guess my work days were kind of 654 00:50:51,926 --> 00:50:54,884 eight or nine o'clock in the evening to about three. 655 00:50:55,384 --> 00:50:57,342 Sort of. Something like that. 656 00:50:57,509 --> 00:50:59,426 Until I kind of fell off my chair, basically. 657 00:51:01,467 --> 00:51:05,467 In a way, making creative things is also kind of... 658 00:51:05,634 --> 00:51:08,968 I feel like it's a kind of self-medicating in a way. 659 00:51:09,259 --> 00:51:12,426 So you write the piece that you wish someone had written 660 00:51:12,592 --> 00:51:14,592 so you can listen to it. 661 00:51:19,926 --> 00:51:23,926 This sort of slightly obsessive involvement with music 662 00:51:24,093 --> 00:51:27,009 probably kept me going. 663 00:51:27,176 --> 00:51:28,801 To the edge of the woods before... 664 00:51:28,968 --> 00:51:30,926 'Cause we don't want to be in the dark. 665 00:51:31,093 --> 00:51:32,884 Well, I don't mind being in the dark. 666 00:51:33,051 --> 00:51:34,467 It's kind of adventurous... 667 00:51:43,884 --> 00:51:48,259 I think of making a piece of writing and creative work 668 00:51:48,426 --> 00:51:51,968 as sort of... It's like moving from a space which we know 669 00:51:52,135 --> 00:51:53,926 into a space we don't know. 670 00:51:54,551 --> 00:51:57,968 And that's the kind of interesting part. 671 00:51:59,176 --> 00:52:03,259 And actually it hardly matters what's there. 672 00:52:03,426 --> 00:52:05,968 It's that little process of just stepping out 673 00:52:06,135 --> 00:52:08,592 into somewhere you don't know. 674 00:52:10,801 --> 00:52:14,426 At a certain point, it's almost like the piece starts dreaming. 675 00:57:08,926 --> 00:57:12,509 I am a visual artist, so I'm very project-oriented. 676 00:57:12,676 --> 00:57:16,926 I'm making projects that usually take a year or two to complete, 677 00:57:17,093 --> 00:57:18,884 so there's a lot of things to work out. 678 00:57:20,551 --> 00:57:22,592 This, because it was so durational, 679 00:57:22,759 --> 00:57:25,926 gave me the opportunity to resolve some questions 680 00:57:26,093 --> 00:57:28,176 that I was having about what direction I was taking 681 00:57:28,342 --> 00:57:29,884 with certain things. 682 00:57:32,009 --> 00:57:34,592 My mind was wandering and things were happening, 683 00:57:34,759 --> 00:57:39,300 but that music was there and it was permeating into my mind. 684 00:57:41,801 --> 00:57:43,300 It's one thing that really intrigues me 685 00:57:43,467 --> 00:57:47,176 about this project of his that he certainly had intentions 686 00:57:47,342 --> 00:57:49,176 when he started it, 687 00:57:49,342 --> 00:57:52,509 but knowing what that experience would be like for other people 688 00:57:52,676 --> 00:57:55,300 and those random factors that come in... 689 00:57:57,467 --> 00:58:00,968 What influence is a sound 690 00:58:01,135 --> 00:58:05,801 on what's happening in your mind as you're kind of drifting off. 691 00:58:10,634 --> 00:58:15,300 I am kind of at a point in life where I feel like 692 00:58:15,467 --> 00:58:17,426 I need to make the best use of my time 693 00:58:17,592 --> 00:58:19,717 and time is something that's really important. 694 00:58:23,176 --> 00:58:26,093 I mean, daily life is hectic when you have a family 695 00:58:26,259 --> 00:58:29,176 and you're worrying about pick-up time from school 696 00:58:29,342 --> 00:58:32,051 and trying to balance everything else out, 697 00:58:32,217 --> 00:58:35,467 trying to fit in everything I want to fit in the day 698 00:58:35,634 --> 00:58:37,217 in the time that I have. 699 00:58:39,051 --> 00:58:41,509 Mixing that with my own personal work 700 00:58:41,676 --> 00:58:46,176 and then just kind of keeping our house in order. It's busy. 701 00:58:54,135 --> 00:58:57,509 When you have these other factors involved, 702 00:58:57,676 --> 00:59:01,051 like Max has, you know, people that are laying on cots 703 00:59:01,217 --> 00:59:03,926 and listening to that music, 704 00:59:04,801 --> 00:59:07,176 how does that change it? What does that do? 705 00:59:12,009 --> 00:59:15,009 I'm intrigued with starting with an idea 706 00:59:15,176 --> 00:59:17,884 and seeing how does it shape and form and change 707 00:59:18,093 --> 00:59:20,384 as you introduce other people into it, 708 00:59:21,176 --> 00:59:24,634 as everybody, I'm sure, had their own unique experience. 709 00:59:30,717 --> 00:59:32,426 I don't know who these people are, 710 00:59:32,592 --> 00:59:34,384 you know, what has drawn them here. 711 00:59:45,676 --> 00:59:49,551 Experiencing "Sleep" live is really not like anything else. 712 00:59:49,717 --> 00:59:50,801 Who does this? 713 00:59:50,968 --> 00:59:53,509 Who makes, you know, 714 00:59:53,676 --> 00:59:56,051 an eight-hour-long musical composition 715 00:59:56,217 --> 00:59:57,884 that lasts that duration, that's set up 716 00:59:58,051 --> 01:00:02,093 for people to fall asleep to? It's not like anything else. 717 01:03:05,592 --> 01:03:07,384 When I sit down at the piano 718 01:03:07,551 --> 01:03:10,843 at the beginning of the night, there are 200-something pages 719 01:03:11,009 --> 01:03:13,009 of piano music to play through. 720 01:03:15,467 --> 01:03:16,801 You know, it's a big score, 721 01:03:16,968 --> 01:03:18,759 which plays from beginning to end. 722 01:03:22,300 --> 01:03:24,051 I'm probably on the stage 723 01:03:24,217 --> 01:03:26,300 for about seven-and-a-half of the eight hours. 724 01:03:26,467 --> 01:03:29,259 Something like that, overall. Which is a lot. 725 01:03:30,509 --> 01:03:34,051 I get breaks, just to kind of grab a bite to eat 726 01:03:34,217 --> 01:03:36,592 or a cup of coffee or something. 727 01:03:37,884 --> 01:03:40,093 And, in fact, all the players get breaks. 728 01:03:56,217 --> 01:03:59,093 It's very tough on the string players, actually. 729 01:04:00,884 --> 01:04:03,926 A lot of the pieces use very sustained tones. 730 01:04:04,426 --> 01:04:05,676 Very quiet, you know, 731 01:04:05,843 --> 01:04:08,426 which is the hardest thing for string players to do. 732 01:04:16,926 --> 01:04:20,093 I kind of kidded myself when we first started doing it 733 01:04:20,259 --> 01:04:22,801 that it was fine, everyone would be fine, no problem. 734 01:04:23,217 --> 01:04:25,676 But it is actually a problem. It's really hard. 735 01:04:27,676 --> 01:04:30,676 It's just really physically and mentally tough. 736 01:04:31,217 --> 01:04:33,926 First of all to be concentrating for that amount of time, 737 01:04:34,467 --> 01:04:37,467 cos even though, you know, I'm a pianist, 738 01:04:37,634 --> 01:04:40,426 you know, the notes come into your eyes 739 01:04:40,592 --> 01:04:42,259 and they come out of your fingers, 740 01:04:42,426 --> 01:04:44,634 that bit is sort of automatic, 741 01:04:44,801 --> 01:04:46,968 but you're still having to concentrate. 742 01:04:49,759 --> 01:04:53,759 Doing anything solidly for eight hours is hard. 743 01:04:54,759 --> 01:04:57,426 And, you know, you get achy and stiff and sore 744 01:04:57,592 --> 01:04:59,801 and, yeah, it's tough. 745 01:13:33,592 --> 01:13:35,968 I love to just come off the stage 746 01:13:36,135 --> 01:13:39,592 on one of my little breaks, just to hear it. 747 01:13:43,884 --> 01:13:47,717 Out in the house we have this sort of magical cathedral sound, 748 01:13:47,884 --> 01:13:49,926 you know, and I love that sound. 749 01:13:50,093 --> 01:13:52,467 That's the sound that the piece was written for. 750 01:13:54,509 --> 01:13:56,592 So I just wander around and have a listen 751 01:13:56,759 --> 01:13:58,759 and just kind of see what people are up to. 752 01:13:58,926 --> 01:14:02,135 Cos that's really nice for me, just to kind of check in with, 753 01:14:02,300 --> 01:14:05,467 you know, how everyone is sort of finding it. 754 01:14:11,759 --> 01:14:14,759 What's beautiful is just seeing the effect 755 01:14:14,926 --> 01:14:18,259 the piece is having on people. I mean, that's an amazing thing 756 01:14:18,426 --> 01:14:22,009 because you don't really ever get to see that 757 01:14:22,176 --> 01:14:23,467 in such an intimate way. 758 01:14:28,676 --> 01:14:32,509 And just being able to see, you know, somebody sleeping there, 759 01:14:32,676 --> 01:14:34,801 or, you know, doing their yoga or something 760 01:14:34,968 --> 01:14:38,009 or, you know, walking about and thinking their thoughts. 761 01:14:38,176 --> 01:14:40,509 You just kind of get a much bigger sense 762 01:14:40,676 --> 01:14:42,801 of what the piece is doing. 763 01:14:55,717 --> 01:14:58,426 Every performance is really, really special. 764 01:14:59,801 --> 01:15:02,135 It's one of these sort of paradoxical things. 765 01:15:03,384 --> 01:15:07,093 It's incredibly hard to do it, but it's kind of so worth it. 766 01:15:10,300 --> 01:15:13,051 It costs so much to do it and to try and make it happen, 767 01:15:13,217 --> 01:15:17,009 you know, on a personal level and yet it's so satisfying. 768 01:15:30,135 --> 01:15:33,759 Every second is a deliberate second. 769 01:15:35,217 --> 01:15:38,217 Every note is deliberate. 770 01:15:39,384 --> 01:15:41,384 So it was a massive undertaking 771 01:15:41,926 --> 01:15:45,135 and that's what's amazing to me, I suppose, 772 01:15:45,300 --> 01:15:46,843 that somebody can do that, 773 01:15:47,009 --> 01:15:50,259 that they have that much staying power with a creative project 774 01:15:50,426 --> 01:15:52,801 that they can see something like this through. 775 01:15:54,135 --> 01:15:57,009 And that he can perform it. I mean, I don't think I could. 776 01:15:57,176 --> 01:15:59,384 I couldn't play for eight hours straight. 777 01:16:01,093 --> 01:16:04,676 That's what he's brought to me and my work, 778 01:16:04,843 --> 01:16:09,342 his seeing through the... seeing through difficulties. 779 01:16:10,342 --> 01:16:13,051 It's made me more of a fighter for what I believe in 780 01:16:14,176 --> 01:16:19,176 and more committed, in a way, to shaking things up 781 01:16:19,342 --> 01:16:21,926 and trying new things, you know, and not stopping. 782 01:16:28,759 --> 01:16:32,801 You know, when we were young and he was putting out his work, 783 01:16:32,968 --> 01:16:34,717 year after year after year, 784 01:16:34,884 --> 01:16:37,968 and, you know, when you're young and you're starting out, 785 01:16:38,135 --> 01:16:40,342 you do get kicked around a lot and some of the things 786 01:16:40,509 --> 01:16:43,467 that happened to him, I would just...I mean, 787 01:16:43,968 --> 01:16:47,717 would have sent me to bed, crying, and yet he is... 788 01:16:47,884 --> 01:16:50,384 It's just a river passing by for him. 789 01:16:51,884 --> 01:16:54,426 I remember talking to Yulia about this at the time, 790 01:16:54,592 --> 01:16:56,676 you know, and I was making decisions 791 01:16:56,843 --> 01:16:59,426 about how the "Blue Notebooks" should be 792 01:16:59,592 --> 01:17:00,801 and what we would do with it, 793 01:17:01,342 --> 01:17:05,509 and she said, "The thing is, you know, if the record fails, 794 01:17:06,467 --> 01:17:08,300 and you've made compromises, 795 01:17:08,467 --> 01:17:10,509 then you're going to be really annoyed, 796 01:17:10,759 --> 01:17:14,384 but if it fails and you did exactly what you wanted, 797 01:17:14,551 --> 01:17:16,093 then who cares?" 798 01:17:16,634 --> 01:17:19,634 So that's always been the M.O. sort of going forward. 799 01:17:20,426 --> 01:17:22,300 Just kind of always bet the farm. 800 01:17:24,634 --> 01:17:26,135 We didn't have a farm! 801 01:17:27,176 --> 01:17:29,176 But, you know, we always bet the farm. 802 01:17:32,176 --> 01:17:34,259 For me, it's all about Max's smile. 803 01:17:34,801 --> 01:17:37,843 He could have been anybody. I don't care what he does! 804 01:17:38,009 --> 01:17:39,801 I mean, I don't care what Max does. 805 01:17:39,968 --> 01:17:41,843 He doesn't have to be a composer for me. 806 01:17:42,009 --> 01:17:44,884 I love his smile and I still love his smile 27 years later, 807 01:17:45,051 --> 01:17:46,843 so it's all about that really. 808 01:17:52,509 --> 01:17:54,176 He's a vulnerable man 809 01:17:54,342 --> 01:17:56,509 and, musically, he's not afraid to show it 810 01:17:56,676 --> 01:17:59,926 and I think he's not afraid to talk about vulnerability 811 01:18:00,093 --> 01:18:02,176 and that's something quite precious 812 01:18:02,342 --> 01:18:04,676 because everybody there is vulnerable in that moment 813 01:18:04,843 --> 01:18:06,843 when they're all sleeping in a room together. 814 01:18:07,592 --> 01:18:10,426 And I think that fragility and vulnerability in life 815 01:18:10,592 --> 01:18:12,551 is something that he wants to talk about. 816 01:18:14,259 --> 01:18:17,217 It goes right the way through to an understanding of the world 817 01:18:17,384 --> 01:18:21,300 and humaneness, I would say, is the big word we try, you know... 818 01:18:22,051 --> 01:18:24,051 I mean, we're all flawed human beings, right? 819 01:18:25,176 --> 01:18:28,384 We don't manage it all the time! Or most of the time. 820 01:18:28,551 --> 01:18:30,843 But we try, and that's the thing, isn't it? 821 01:18:45,968 --> 01:18:48,717 I have such admiration for his determination 822 01:18:48,884 --> 01:18:49,968 and his perseverance. 823 01:18:52,509 --> 01:18:54,717 The fact that he can just... He does it, you know. 824 01:18:55,884 --> 01:18:59,093 That's a big thing for me. I think my admiration for him 825 01:18:59,259 --> 01:19:01,968 has increased through this project. 826 01:19:12,300 --> 01:19:15,426 Their collaboration is so gorgeous. 827 01:19:17,176 --> 01:19:21,801 To be ambitious for something that ethereal 828 01:19:24,300 --> 01:19:27,551 is an...unusual thing. 829 01:19:28,551 --> 01:19:31,342 I don't see it that much. I see people ambitious 830 01:19:31,509 --> 01:19:34,884 for large objects that will stay there forever. 831 01:19:35,051 --> 01:19:38,217 I see people be ambitious for movies or something, 832 01:19:38,384 --> 01:19:41,926 but to be ambitious for a moment at night 833 01:19:42,093 --> 01:19:44,093 with strangers together? 834 01:19:44,259 --> 01:19:47,467 I just think that's...that's just glorious. 835 01:21:18,843 --> 01:21:21,300 Experiences like this I think remind people 836 01:21:21,467 --> 01:21:23,676 that even in a world where people are very busy, 837 01:21:23,843 --> 01:21:28,426 that if you were to place the arts back into society 838 01:21:28,592 --> 01:21:32,176 there are these rejuvenating types of experiences 839 01:21:32,342 --> 01:21:34,135 that can happen between people. 840 01:21:37,509 --> 01:21:40,717 By having an eight-hour performance, 841 01:21:40,884 --> 01:21:44,926 in a world where three minutes is what is commercially viable, 842 01:21:45,093 --> 01:21:49,634 I think that already flips expectations on its head. 843 01:22:18,926 --> 01:22:21,135 I teach. I also play. 844 01:22:21,801 --> 01:22:24,717 And my mission, first and foremost, 845 01:22:24,884 --> 01:22:27,176 when working with new students is, typically, 846 01:22:27,342 --> 01:22:30,926 to get them to realise that the sounds that you hear, 847 01:22:31,093 --> 01:22:33,093 you can wield them as well. 848 01:22:35,342 --> 01:22:38,509 You have the ability to make meaning out of sound. 849 01:22:38,676 --> 01:22:40,676 It's like the craziest magic. 850 01:22:46,467 --> 01:22:49,843 And then by having that sort of instrumentation, 851 01:22:50,009 --> 01:22:53,259 I think it says you could have a violin or a cello 852 01:22:53,426 --> 01:22:55,676 right next to a synthesiser. 853 01:22:59,135 --> 01:23:01,926 That gives them a window into something 854 01:23:02,093 --> 01:23:04,467 they may not have known they didn't know 855 01:23:04,634 --> 01:23:06,801 and gives them the tools necessary 856 01:23:07,009 --> 01:23:09,300 to maybe be the next Max Richter. 857 01:23:09,509 --> 01:23:11,176 I don't know. Maybe. 858 01:25:08,300 --> 01:25:11,259 I took the spectrum, the sonic spectrum, 859 01:25:11,426 --> 01:25:14,968 that the unborn baby hears in the womb, 860 01:25:18,634 --> 01:25:20,843 which is basically no high frequencies 861 01:25:21,009 --> 01:25:23,051 because the mother's body filters all of those. 862 01:25:25,801 --> 01:25:30,551 So I've used that spectrum for almost the entire piece. 863 01:25:32,801 --> 01:25:36,009 And then, around sort of seven hours, 864 01:25:36,176 --> 01:25:39,884 the spectrum opens up so you get more and more high frequencies. 865 01:25:41,135 --> 01:25:42,843 So there's kind of a sunrise. 866 01:25:45,135 --> 01:25:46,509 An acoustic sunrise. 867 01:26:19,592 --> 01:26:23,135 I think there's something very fundamental about that spectrum 868 01:26:23,300 --> 01:26:26,467 because that obviously goes to our first memories 869 01:26:26,634 --> 01:26:28,217 of being a person. 870 01:26:30,426 --> 01:26:33,135 Even before we're born, we have this auditory memory 871 01:26:33,676 --> 01:26:35,926 which has a very particular colour. 872 01:26:38,551 --> 01:26:43,093 So that's how the sort of sonics of the piece work on us. 873 01:26:59,384 --> 01:27:02,342 5:49 a.m. Awake. 874 01:27:05,176 --> 01:27:08,843 Just saw a stray cat, lots of sleeping people. 875 01:27:09,009 --> 01:27:11,509 Feel quite rested. Very alert. 876 01:27:12,176 --> 01:27:13,676 A little emotional. 877 01:27:16,926 --> 01:27:19,300 People actually were pretty respectful. 878 01:27:19,467 --> 01:27:20,634 Not a lot of chatter. 879 01:27:21,217 --> 01:27:23,551 There was a woman with a bathing suit on. 880 01:27:24,384 --> 01:27:27,217 A guy with a "rock, paper, scissor" tattoo 881 01:27:27,384 --> 01:27:29,093 that I thought was sign language. 882 01:27:32,342 --> 01:27:34,342 It made me reflect on my relationship, 883 01:27:34,509 --> 01:27:37,717 knowing all the difficulties that we've been through 884 01:27:37,884 --> 01:27:40,843 as a couple, all the tears, all the fights. 885 01:27:41,009 --> 01:27:44,300 It's all worth it, like, to be with Terri 886 01:27:44,467 --> 01:27:46,717 because I love her so much. 887 01:28:17,592 --> 01:28:20,843 I was asleep for some of it and awake for some of it 888 01:28:21,009 --> 01:28:24,384 and it kind of just blended with dreaming. 889 01:28:25,300 --> 01:28:29,259 It was restful, but it was like a journey as well. 890 01:28:39,551 --> 01:28:41,259 There's parts of it that I recognise 891 01:28:41,426 --> 01:28:43,426 and there's parts where I go, "Was I asleep?" 892 01:28:43,592 --> 01:28:47,176 I don't even remember anymore because it was all very fluid. 893 01:29:32,676 --> 01:29:36,426 Falling asleep around a lot of people we didn't know, 894 01:29:37,801 --> 01:29:40,801 just seeing how other people interact with the music as well, 895 01:29:40,968 --> 01:29:44,093 it was really insightful and moving. 896 01:30:24,592 --> 01:30:27,384 It takes years to get to the place 897 01:30:27,551 --> 01:30:30,509 where it really starts and can really take off. 898 01:30:34,467 --> 01:30:36,467 I feel like we're at the beginning of something. 899 01:30:40,300 --> 01:30:43,592 Just starting, really. And that's what's incredible for us. 900 01:31:31,093 --> 01:31:32,509 What if you slept? 901 01:31:35,551 --> 01:31:38,801 And what if, in your sleep, you dreamed? 902 01:31:41,509 --> 01:31:45,176 And what if, in your dreams, you went to heaven 903 01:31:47,509 --> 01:31:50,634 and there you plucked a strange and beautiful flower? 904 01:31:53,259 --> 01:31:55,259 And what if, when you awoke, 905 01:31:57,135 --> 01:31:59,135 you had that flower in your hand? 906 01:32:02,509 --> 01:32:04,135 Ah, what then? 907 01:33:43,551 --> 01:33:45,926 It was kind of like... 908 01:33:46,093 --> 01:33:49,467 a wave would come over you and just wake you. 909 01:34:06,759 --> 01:34:10,509 You'd hear just like the rub of the strings - rrrrr! 910 01:34:10,676 --> 01:34:13,884 It felt almost like a massage, but inside. 911 01:34:18,300 --> 01:34:20,717 I'm still in a trance, I think. 912 01:34:20,884 --> 01:34:24,717 And in my head there's a whole world of creatures. 913 01:34:25,384 --> 01:34:27,384 The woman who sang, 914 01:34:27,551 --> 01:34:30,467 it was like a mermaid that was singing to me 915 01:34:30,634 --> 01:34:33,801 that wanted to grab me and pull me into the ocean. 916 01:34:34,342 --> 01:34:36,676 Max was for me a kind of fox. 917 01:34:36,843 --> 01:34:40,676 Very gentle, but also very sneaky, in a way, 918 01:34:40,843 --> 01:34:43,426 that he trapped us from minute one. 919 01:34:43,592 --> 01:34:46,859 He just did it in such a beautiful, elegant way. 69810

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