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WOMAN IN FILM:
Good morning, girls.
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I'm going to talk to you this
morning about the way you look.
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Now, I've heard it said that we
women attach too much importance
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to our appearance.
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But that isn't true.
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After all, the way we look
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exerts so much influence
on the way we feel,
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and on the way other
people feel about us,
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that it really is
very important.
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As a French chef might say,
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it's the little
touch of seasoning
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that makes the dish just right.
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♪
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ROSE MARIE: One of the
biggest cosmetic brands,
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designer cosmetic brands,
in the world,
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their ex-formulator
had contacted us.
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He said...
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"The cosmetic industry
is destroying women's cells."
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C-E-L-L-S.
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Cells.
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And I said to him,
"Why don't you say something?"
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He said, "I can't."
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♪
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DR. SMITH: This cosmetics
issue is even bigger
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than the tobacco industry,
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because we're talking
about thousands
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of different chemicals.
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STACY: The same chemicals
being dumped
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and running through
the rivers that are toxic,
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are running through our blood.
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DR. LANPHEAR: For some
of these chemicals,
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millions of children will be
harmed before we actually decide
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whether it's toxic or not.
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DR. ZOTA: Skincare, hair,
feminine care products
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have been associated
with reproductive problems,
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ovarian cancer, pre-term birth,
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mercury poisoning,
endocrine disruption.
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JANET: The cosmetics
industry comes back
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with their own science,
and they say,
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"Oh, just a little bit of
a cancer-causing chemical."
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DR. ZOTA: You have
no way of knowing
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what's in your product.
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DR. LANPHEAR: Wealthy, big
corporations don't allow
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regulations to happen,
who allow people to be harmed.
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SEN. KENNEDY: In cosmetics used
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by women in this
country every day,
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125 ingredients
suspected of causing cancer!
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And the list goes on,
and on, and on!
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DR. MICHAELS: Chemicals
are not like people.
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They're not innocent until
they're proven guilty.
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♪
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DR. CARSON: Unless we do
bring these chemicals
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under better control, we are
certainly headed for disaster.
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DR. BRODY: We don't
want to wait 60 years
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to find out that some chemical
we use in hand lotion
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is causing breast cancer.
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♪
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[birds chirping]
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MEL: In '99, I started going
overseas as a NATO peacekeeper.
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Places like Qatar, Kosovo,
Kuwait, and Afghanistan.
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♪
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MEL: Working with the military,
and going into war zones...
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I worked my way into intel.
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I was put to work
in a detention cell,
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which is really the jail
for the war criminals.
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♪
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MEL: I was called
a counterintelligence screener.
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♪
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MEL: Interviewing
and giving polygraphs.
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♪
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MEL: Evidence.
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War crime evidence.
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Looking for bad people.
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Helping the country stabilize.
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♪
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♪
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MEL: And everybody used to
call me superwoman.
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♪
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MEL: Um...
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I'm sorry, did I lose track...
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of even the question?
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♪
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♪
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MEL: The words just flow
through my head right now.
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Mm-hm.
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♪
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♪
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[shower water flowing]
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[shower stops]
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MYMY: My name is Mymy.
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I'm 24, and I'm from California.
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MYMY: Basic one.
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MYMY: It's kinda
funny, actually.
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As a little girl,
I was always very girly.
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My mom just likes
to dress me up...
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"You're a girl,
you should look pretty.
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"People are gonna judge you
for how you look."
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♪
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MYMY: I looked up to my mom.
I looked up to my mom.
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I thought she was really pretty.
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Well, that's 'cause I think
my dad's really ugly.
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[laughs]
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Beauty is ingrained
to our relationship.
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And it was always creams,
always creams.
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Always, like, different
moisturizers, sunscreens.
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And I always grew up learning
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you need to put these on your
face to prevent wrinkles,
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anti-ageing, have lighter skin.
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There's a huge thing
about having lighter skin.
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Don't go in the sun;
you'll get too tanned.
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Make sure you put sunscreen on,
so you can have nice skin
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and people would like you more.
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♪
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MYMY: When I was younger,
early '90s,
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most of the people on TV
were white female celebrities.
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That maybe has skewed
people's perception
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of what beauty should be like.
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And I was just never completely
satisfied with how I looked.
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Why don't I have cheekbones?
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Why do I feel like
my nose is too short?
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Or why are my eyes so small,
and not shaped a certain way?
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COMMERCIAL: ♪ Is it true
blondes have more fun? ♪
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If I've only one life,
let me live it as a blonde!
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MYMY: So I don't think
I actively thought,
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"I wanna look like
this white woman,
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"so I'm gonna dye
my hair blonde."
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I love makeup.
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I love personal care products.
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I've never even called them
"personal care products."
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You know, it's just like,
oh, lotions, or sunscreen.
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It's kind of just
things that you grow up
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being conditioned
to thinking that you need.
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That it makes us
more attractive.
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♪
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MEL: I was never really sick
for about 55 years of my life.
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I'd had a bad fall.
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I went to the doctor for...
I thought it was my ribs.
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They said, "There's nothing
wrong with the ribs."
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It was already stage four.
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♪
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MEL: I was officially
diagnosed in May 2014,
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ovarian cancer.
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Told in March that I had
no more than six months.
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♪
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[airplane roars past]
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[inaudible announcement on PA]
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DEANE: I had started having
problems with spotting,
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intermittent,
between my periods.
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I was 49 years old.
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I knew I was probably
not too far from menopause,
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but it still didn't
seem quite right.
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DEANE: Hi.
TAXI DRIVER: How're you doing?
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DEANE: I went and saw
the gynaecology surgeon.
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He was sitting at his desk
with a pathology report.
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[siren wails]
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DEANE: Being a healthcare
professional,
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I just took one look down,
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and I could see
"bilateral carcinoma."
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This can't be right.
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And the doctor said,
"I didn't expect this,
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"I'm really sorry."
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Total hysterectomy
and chemotherapy.
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I pulled out all my textbooks,
starting to look up
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how do you treat ovarian cancer?
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What did I do wrong?
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♪
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MARY: Ah!
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[seagulls calling]
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♪
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MARY: I had surgery
December, 2014.
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Removed everything:
the omentum, the ovaries,
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the fallopian tubes.
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SHAEDA: My belly
started growing.
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And it was the most
uncomfortable feeling.
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It got to a stage
where I couldn't bend.
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♪
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BEVERLEY: I went to
a hormone specialist,
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and he said, "Uh-oh."
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I said, "What does
that 'uh-oh' mean?"
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He said, "Are you
feeling okay?"
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I said, "I feel fine."
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Because there's no warning
with ovarian cancer.
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CHANTAL: When you do get
the symptoms, it's too late.
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When they found it,
it had spread everywhere.
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It's like it's the end
of the world, you know?
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SHAEDA: The doctor put in
a needle right through
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the skin under my abdomen.
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Greenish liquid poured out of me
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into six one-litre bottles.
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CHANTAL: The only thing
came to my mind, is,
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"I'm never gonna reach 50."
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SHAEDA: And that's
how it started.
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BEVERLEY: "You're gonna
have to have chemo,"
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which my heart
fell to the ground.
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MARY: My normal life...
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stopped that day.
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♪
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[traffic rumbles]
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DEANE: In the handouts
the doctor had given me,
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there was a book from
the Gilda Radner Association.
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And in the back of the book,
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there was different
causation factors.
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And I was reading through
them, and I said, well,
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I had children,
so that's not a factor.
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There's no cancer in my family.
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At that time, I wasn't
obese or overweight.
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I had never used
birth control pills.
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I kept reading, and I said,
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"Talcum powder."
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What?
Talcum powder?
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COMMERCIAL: Ever since
I was a little girl,
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Johnson's Baby Powder has made
me feel soft, fresh, and loved.
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COMMERCIAL: Johnson's
Baby Powder keeps anybody's baby
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smooth and fresh.
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DEANE: I picked up the
talcum powder, baby powder,
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Shower to Shower,
looked over the labels,
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and there was nothing even
stated on the bottles at all
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that there was
any risk of cancer.
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♪
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DEANE: That's what
I'd been using
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since I was about 16 years old.
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And never thought that there
would be any danger in it.
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♪
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MARY: [coughs]
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I used Johnson Baby Powder.
And my mom.
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The women in the house
were baby powder ladies.
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BEVERLEY: My mother
used it on me as a child,
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and as a baby.
It was a nice smell.
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It made me feel fresh;
it made me feel good.
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I felt clean.
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SHAEDA: And I was using
Johnson & Johnson
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Shower to Shower and baby powder
as a deodorant.
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CHANTAL: I was
putting it in my bed
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before I would go to bed,
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because I liked
the smell of baby powder.
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Yeah.
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MARY: And I had no idea
that there was something
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in the product
that could be harmful.
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♪
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[birds chirping]
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[car locking beep]
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MYMY: I think having
makeup is just
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like an extra layer of security.
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If I was going on an interview,
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I would want that extra layer,
just to know that
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I don't have to worry
about my flaws showing.
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[indistinct conversation]
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MYMY: Even though maybe
other people wouldn't see it,
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there are just things that
I would notice about myself,
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and would make me
more self-conscious.
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[indistinct conversation]
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[indistinct conversation]
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MYMY: I think overall, makeup
just boosts people's confidence.
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MYMY: Oh!
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MYMY: I really think
that makeup has been
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ingrained so much
into our culture.
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MYMY: If you're in
a group of friends,
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and everybody put on
all their products,
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and you're the only one
who didn't put on anything,
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it's kind of awkward
to be the odd one out.
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MYMY: But face routine,
so you said primer.
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You said moisturizer,
primer, and foundation.
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EMILY: Yeah.
Oh, I use this one, too.
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EMILY: I went to an
all-girls' high school,
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so I think this topic
was actually pretty common
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at my school.
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So when I do see,
like, advertisements
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for certain things, like, I just
see they use females, and...
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MYMY: Like, sexualizing
females on commercials.
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EMILY: Yeah, yeah.
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EMILY: Cosmetic campaigns,
like, they will take some
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very influential person that
a lot of girls look up to,
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and they use that person to
advertise for whatever product.
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"I think this
person's beautiful,
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"and they're using this product;
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"I'm gonna use
this product as well."
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EMILY: We shouldn't be telling
girls to stop using products.
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We should be telling
the government and regulators
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and companies to stop
creating toxic beauty products.
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MYMY: Yeah.
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MYMY: I'm gonna be starting
medical school in the fall,
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at Boston University.
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I wanted to work with
Dr. Mahalingaiah
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because she is a
reproductive endocrinologist.
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DR. MAHALINGAIAH: It's
great to be here today...
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MYMY: A lot of
Dr. Mahalingaiah's work
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is on environmental exposures,
and reproductive disorders.
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DR. MAHALINGAIAH: Today's
talk is going to go over
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trends in human fertility.
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We'll spend a little
time on definitions,
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because that's really important
as you're thinking about
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study design...
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MYMY: I look to her
as a mentor.
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In the past, she's looked
at environmental toxins
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or exposures on
the prenatal period.
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DR. MAHALINGAIAH: One of
my concerns is
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stemming from
the interconnectedness of
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our environmental exposures.
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Could we be exposing our
gametes, the egg and the sperm,
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or our embryos
to potential toxicants
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throughout the life course?
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DR. MAHALINGAIAH: Remember when
I wanted to throw that out,
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Avera?
AVERA: Yeah.
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DR. MAHALINGAIAH: Why
do you wanna keep it?
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What colour do
you like the most?
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AVERA: I like a lot of them.
I like the natural ones.
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I like the, like, natural
colours for your face, but...
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DR. MAHALINGAIAH: Oh, can you
show me the natural colours?
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AVERA: They're just
like, they're like,
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colours... the skin
colours, but...
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DR. MAHALINGAIAH: Oh.
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DR. MAHALINGAIAH: So I've
weeded out a tremendous amount,
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but this is what's
left of my makeup.
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This is supposed
to make your skin
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look bright,
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and I also think that's probably
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an oestrogen-type
effect on healthy,
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growing skin,
that in addition to
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other personal care products,
the volatile organic compounds
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that are off-gassing
from nail polish.
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[Avera's chatter]
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DR. MAHALINGAIAH: Once
populations have been exposed,
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and discovery has been made
about the associations,
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we've already lost
a generation to that exposure.
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Which might be subtle effects
at the level of infertility.
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MYMY: Gonna keep that here.
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DR. MAHALINGAIAH: It might be
more devastating effects
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in other aspects of development.
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I think we should be concerned.
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MYMY: I didn't start
using products until college.
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That's when I started
having this...
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benign tumour.
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I have a small breast
already, so on me,
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the tumour was really apparent.
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MYMY: My physicians
would tell me,
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"Oh, it's something
that just happens."
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EMILY: Yeah.
MYMY: Oh, it just happened?
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I'm unlucky.
EMILY: Yeah.
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There should...
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MYMY: But maybe it
wasn't because of luck,
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it was something I used.
EMILY: Yeah, there's a reason.
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MYMY: Yeah.
EMILY: It's illogical.
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MYMY: So I finally got
the tumour removed,
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but it was just...
It grew so large,
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that now I have
a really big scar,
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and the more I talk
about it, it seems like
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other girls are saying,
"Oh my gosh, I have this too."
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EMILY: Yeah, like,
"Oh, I feel a lump."
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And I'm just like,
"We're in our 20s!"
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Like, this shouldn't
be happening!
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MYMY: Yeah.
EMILY: Like, you know?
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MYMY: What is it?
And you're like,
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"What is this caused by?"
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DR. MAHALINGAIAH: In
terms of our fertility,
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when a compound has an
endocrine-like activity,
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or is an endocrine disruptor...
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any substance that is synthetic,
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that can act like an
endocrine hormone.
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And so the endocrine system has
multiple different hormones.
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The thyroid hormone that
comes from the thyroid,
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oestrogen and testosterone are
well-known sex steroid hormones.
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DR. ZOTA: That action, that
hormone interference can happen
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on many different
biological levels.
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And we are finding that many
of the synthetic chemicals
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in personal care products
can indeed interfere
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with hormone action.
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DR. CARSON: In the words
of Jean Rostand,
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"The obligation to endure
gives us the right to know."
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DR. BRODY: We have a "innocent
until proven guilty" approach
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to these chemicals,
where we put them into use,
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and then we find out later
that they're risky.
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Sometimes very risky.
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We do know that some of the
chemicals in everyday products
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are oestrogen mimics,
or they can distort androgen,
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or affect thyroid.
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Chemicals like phthalates.
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That's affecting your
hormone signalling system.
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DR. PLANTE: We're trying
to figure out if some
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endocrine disruptors
can promote breast cancer,
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or induce breast cancer,
or have an effect
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on the mammary
gland development.
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A lot of creams, like, that
you're gonna put on your skin
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have parabens.
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DR. PLANTE: In some of the
makeup you're gonna find
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some parabens,
and/or some phthalates.
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So there are a lot of product
that are using those molecules.
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DR. BRODY: We think all
the hormone disruptors
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are going to be relevant
to all the hormonal cancers.
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So that includes prostate,
testicular, ovarian,
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endometrial...
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and to reproduction and growth.
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So this is not just
a women's problem.
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♪
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DR. MAHALINGAIAH: The industrial
processes that make
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some of the additives
in something as benign as makeup
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are the same kinds of processes
that are in involved
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in chemical warfare,
and biological weapons.
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DR. MAHALINGAIAH: So it's not
like this a very light topic
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that is just like, oh, makeup,
and let's look beautiful.
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♪
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MYMY: I'm learning that all
of these toxins can cause
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reproductive harm,
and effects on menopause,
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and an earlier age in menopause.
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And I'm 24 years old,
and I know that
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I want to have
children later on,
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but going into
a career in medicine,
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that's going to be delayed, and
I hope that using these products
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won't affect my
decision to have kids.
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♪
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DR. CRAMER: No, there's
no warning label on talc
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regarding risks
of ovarian cancer.
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I had surely expected a warning
label would be placed
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on talc products after
the International Agency
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for Research on Cancer
declared talc
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to be a possible carcinogen.
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But even then,
no warning labels appeared,
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and that's what's
prompted me to get involved
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in this litigation issue.
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♪
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DR. CRAMER: In medical school
I was very much interested
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in obstetrics and gynaecology
as a speciality.
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But I always had
the intent to go on
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to get a degree in epidemiology.
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And when it came time to
choose a thesis, that is,
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epidemiologic study of
some disease or another,
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I chose ovarian cancer.
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DR. NESS: Dan is the guy
who I consider to be
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kind of the grandfather,
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one of the grandfathers
of epidemiology,
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which is my field.
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And epidemiology, you know,
I call us detective people.
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He was one of the people
who published way back
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in the early 1980s
one of the first papers
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to link talc and ovarian cancer.
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DEANE: Without him, I really
wonder if this ever would have
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been brought out at all.
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But he'd been fighting it,
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and showing evidence
of it for a long time.
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DR. CRAMER: There had been
some suspicion about talc
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and ovarian cancer,
but it had not been studied
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in any sort of systematic way.
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Well, first I should explain
that we decided that we would do
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a case control study.
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We would interview women
who'd recently been diagnosed
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with ovarian cancer...
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♪
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DR. CRAMER: and
we would ask them,
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"A year before your
cancer was diagnosed,
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"what habits did you have?"
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And we asked about the talc use.
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And there was clearly
an excess of women who used
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powders after
bathing or showering
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in their genital area
that translate
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into an increased risk
for ovarian cancer.
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Talc is a mined product.
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Magnesium silicates.
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[talc rumbling]
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♪
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DR. CRAMER: And it occurs more
frequently than not in veins
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with other magnesium silicates,
which can include asbestos.
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♪
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DR. CRAMER: The majority of
women were actually using
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Johnson & Johnson, but...
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there's nothing unique
about Johnson & Johnson
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in terms of the talc.
It's...
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Talc is talc.
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[keys clicking]
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DR. CRAMER: Oh,
here it is...
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"Johnson & Johnson liability"...
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And then here's
all the plaintiffs.
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And who they're represented by.
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♪
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♪
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[birds chirping]
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MEL: The last two years
of a different chemo drug,
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feeling the tumour stick out
through your skin, I mean,
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you could... if you put
a few fingers here,
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you could see underneath.
It's like an iceberg effect.
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Most of it is underneath, and
now the tips are sticking out.
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It's days at a time where you
can't even just drink water
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without vomiting.
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MEL: When I was overseas
on military bases,
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I used the regular
Johnson & Johnson Baby Powder,
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and Shower to Shower.
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WOMAN: Hmm...
MAN: Yeesh.
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WOMAN 2: Ha, ha,
where's everybody going?
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GROUP: ♪ Shower to Shower
each day! ♪
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♪ Helps keep odour away! ♪
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MEL: I used it
on the genital area,
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and underarms, and in shoes.
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I loved the scent for one thing.
503
00:28:27,004 --> 00:28:29,206
It made you feel
a little more confident.
504
00:28:34,078 --> 00:28:38,449
It's just a frustration
505
00:28:38,482 --> 00:28:40,318
that is on a level that,
I don't know,
506
00:28:40,351 --> 00:28:43,020
it just paralyses you,
507
00:28:43,053 --> 00:28:45,857
that level of frustration to
know you did this to yourself,
508
00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:48,893
but I know it's not...
509
00:28:48,926 --> 00:28:51,495
Logically I know
it's not my fault.
510
00:28:54,231 --> 00:28:57,401
What it boils down to,
it's destroying lives,
511
00:28:57,434 --> 00:29:01,372
when it comes down to it.
512
00:29:01,405 --> 00:29:05,042
That's exactly what's happening.
Lives are being destroyed.
513
00:29:05,075 --> 00:29:09,948
♪
514
00:29:26,964 --> 00:29:28,566
MAN IN FILM: Yes, sir,
that's my baby.
515
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:30,868
No, sir, don't mean maybe.
516
00:29:30,901 --> 00:29:33,371
She's probably never
heard of Lenin.
517
00:29:33,404 --> 00:29:36,407
Her unsuspecting countrymen
have given her the vote.
518
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,510
Yes, sir, that's my baby now.
519
00:29:39,543 --> 00:29:43,581
♪
520
00:29:50,921 --> 00:29:54,258
MYMY: So this is called, "The
American Chamber of Horrors."
521
00:29:54,291 --> 00:29:58,428
And it talks about the dangers
of the cosmetic industry
522
00:29:58,462 --> 00:30:01,465
back in 1936.
523
00:30:01,498 --> 00:30:05,136
And it's crazy,
because nothing has changed,
524
00:30:05,169 --> 00:30:07,738
or very little has
changed since then.
525
00:30:07,771 --> 00:30:09,473
MALE NARRATOR IN FILM:
In the laboratory,
526
00:30:09,506 --> 00:30:13,477
a scientist tests
an eyelash beautifier,
527
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:16,447
which only recently
came on the market.
528
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,983
He finds that this cosmetic
529
00:30:19,016 --> 00:30:22,053
contains a coal tar dye.
530
00:30:22,086 --> 00:30:25,590
This explains why women
who use this stuff
531
00:30:25,623 --> 00:30:29,427
are having the outer coatings
of their eyeballs burned off,
532
00:30:29,460 --> 00:30:31,462
and are becoming blind.
533
00:30:31,495 --> 00:30:33,563
DR. ZOTA: The way we regulate
personal care products
534
00:30:33,597 --> 00:30:36,466
in this country hasn't changed
535
00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:39,670
since the 1930s.
536
00:30:39,703 --> 00:30:42,572
MAN: President Roosevelt
has endorsed a bill
537
00:30:42,606 --> 00:30:47,411
which should be front-page news
to every consumer in America.
538
00:30:47,444 --> 00:30:50,915
Its purpose is to protect you,
as a consumer,
539
00:30:50,948 --> 00:30:53,918
from the many dangers
and fraudulent foods,
540
00:30:53,951 --> 00:30:58,155
drugs, and cosmetics still
to be found on the market.
541
00:30:58,188 --> 00:31:01,158
♪
542
00:31:01,191 --> 00:31:03,794
DR. SMITH: I don't think it's
possible to imagine a worse
543
00:31:03,827 --> 00:31:08,699
regulated family
of products than cosmetics,
544
00:31:08,732 --> 00:31:11,369
which is surprising,
given how intimately
545
00:31:11,402 --> 00:31:14,338
we use these products.
546
00:31:14,371 --> 00:31:16,211
DR. MICHAELS: The FDA
works very hard on drugs,
547
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,944
on medical devices, perhaps
a little less well on food,
548
00:31:19,977 --> 00:31:23,648
protecting people from
dangerous materials in cosmetics
549
00:31:23,681 --> 00:31:27,218
is not even in the back seat;
it's not even in the car.
550
00:31:27,251 --> 00:31:30,488
[indistinct conversation]
551
00:31:30,521 --> 00:31:32,956
[distant siren noises]
552
00:31:32,990 --> 00:31:34,292
REP. RON: Your
experts said,
553
00:31:34,325 --> 00:31:38,896
when a consumer asks,
"Is this product safe?"
554
00:31:38,929 --> 00:31:42,566
Your experts said,
"I cannot say."
555
00:31:42,599 --> 00:31:45,870
DR. KESSLER: I don't believe in
saying everything is just fine,
556
00:31:45,903 --> 00:31:50,341
everything is always safe.
Everything is relative.
557
00:31:50,374 --> 00:31:53,644
MAN IN FILM: In some cases, if
the advertising isn't accurate
558
00:31:53,677 --> 00:31:56,580
for things like
cosmetics, deodorants,
559
00:31:56,613 --> 00:31:59,317
and hair tonics and so forth,
people might use the product
560
00:31:59,350 --> 00:32:01,385
in ways that could
injure their health.
561
00:32:01,418 --> 00:32:03,920
MAN 2: Inaccurate?
Aren't they actually lying?
562
00:32:03,954 --> 00:32:07,024
COMMERCIAL: When you find a girl
whose hair feels like hair,
563
00:32:07,057 --> 00:32:10,161
she probably uses
Ozon Fluid Net.
564
00:32:10,194 --> 00:32:14,098
The hairspray that leaves
hair feeling like hair.
565
00:32:14,131 --> 00:32:15,766
It's the hairdresser's
hairspray,
566
00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:18,168
in the pink and grey can.
567
00:32:18,202 --> 00:32:20,404
REP. RON: This industry,
which any time you walk
568
00:32:20,437 --> 00:32:22,372
into a store in this country,
569
00:32:22,406 --> 00:32:24,274
is virtually asserting
570
00:32:24,308 --> 00:32:26,744
that they can rebuild people
571
00:32:26,777 --> 00:32:28,546
with new cells,
572
00:32:28,579 --> 00:32:31,514
and all kinds of
other very bold claims.
573
00:32:31,548 --> 00:32:35,553
♪
574
00:32:35,586 --> 00:32:39,390
JANET: The $84-billion
domestic cosmetics industry
575
00:32:39,423 --> 00:32:41,892
is regulated currently
by about a page
576
00:32:41,925 --> 00:32:43,427
and a half of federal law.
577
00:32:43,460 --> 00:32:45,629
Really impressive, important,
578
00:32:45,662 --> 00:32:47,865
influential members
of Congress have tried.
579
00:32:47,898 --> 00:32:51,302
Ron Wyden, from Oregon,
Ted Kennedy tried,
580
00:32:51,335 --> 00:32:53,938
and every time they've
introduced legislation
581
00:32:53,971 --> 00:32:56,874
that would require stricter
regulation of the industry,
582
00:32:56,907 --> 00:32:58,708
the industry has fought
it back, and has said,
583
00:32:58,742 --> 00:33:01,479
"We will do a better job
of regulating ourselves."
584
00:33:01,512 --> 00:33:03,556
SEN. KERRY: Would it concern
you to know that young women
585
00:33:03,580 --> 00:33:06,250
are using oestrogen in
hair products conceivably
586
00:33:06,283 --> 00:33:09,486
to straighten their hair,
and that that may in fact
587
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,155
have an impact?
588
00:33:11,188 --> 00:33:14,091
DR. ALDERSON: Without question,
we would want to know that, sir.
589
00:33:14,124 --> 00:33:16,060
SEN. KERRY: Well,
it's in public domain.
590
00:33:16,093 --> 00:33:19,397
It seems to me the FDA is
putting its faith in an industry
591
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:21,665
to self police
through a panel called
592
00:33:21,698 --> 00:33:24,835
the Cosmetic Ingredient Review.
593
00:33:24,868 --> 00:33:28,739
Surprise, surprise, the industry
funded the panel of scientists,
594
00:33:28,772 --> 00:33:31,075
and they've reviewed
only 11% of the more than
595
00:33:31,108 --> 00:33:34,945
10,000 ingredients
contained in cosmetics.
596
00:33:34,978 --> 00:33:39,016
DR. LANPHEAR: I'd like to be
able to put myself out of a job.
597
00:33:39,049 --> 00:33:41,418
That means that we're
protecting kids.
598
00:33:41,452 --> 00:33:43,954
And we're not having
to use them to determine
599
00:33:43,987 --> 00:33:46,457
whether this chemical
or that chemical is toxic.
600
00:33:46,490 --> 00:33:48,626
Which is not of course what
industry wants us to do.
601
00:33:48,659 --> 00:33:50,370
They'd just rather continue
to use a product
602
00:33:50,394 --> 00:33:52,696
without any
regulation whatsoever.
603
00:33:52,729 --> 00:33:54,941
DR. MICHAELS: What we're seeing
now is there's a whole industry,
604
00:33:54,965 --> 00:33:56,699
the product defence industry,
605
00:33:56,733 --> 00:33:59,270
which is made up of
for-profit corporations
606
00:33:59,303 --> 00:34:01,539
that are run by scientists,
who are consultants,
607
00:34:01,572 --> 00:34:04,308
and some of these
supposed think-tanks.
608
00:34:04,341 --> 00:34:05,708
I mean, it's ludicrous.
609
00:34:05,742 --> 00:34:08,045
The Indoor Tanning Association
is out there saying...
610
00:34:08,078 --> 00:34:09,780
Questioning the science around
611
00:34:09,813 --> 00:34:11,949
ultraviolet radiation
and skin cancer.
612
00:34:11,982 --> 00:34:14,851
DR. MICHAELS: Something
I've seen is that this
613
00:34:14,885 --> 00:34:17,021
manufacturer of uncertainty
614
00:34:17,054 --> 00:34:20,124
and trying to show there
are two sides to every issue
615
00:34:20,157 --> 00:34:24,028
around science
degrades all scientists.
616
00:34:24,061 --> 00:34:26,030
It makes it looks like
scientists are just part of
617
00:34:26,063 --> 00:34:28,466
a debating society,
and they're like lawyers.
618
00:34:28,498 --> 00:34:29,667
But science isn't like that.
619
00:34:29,699 --> 00:34:32,002
Science is the search
for the truth.
620
00:34:32,034 --> 00:34:35,873
But hiring people to
say something specific
621
00:34:35,906 --> 00:34:37,975
not because it's the truth,
but because it defends
622
00:34:38,007 --> 00:34:40,243
a product,
or it defends a corporation,
623
00:34:40,277 --> 00:34:44,248
really does make it
hard for all scientists.
624
00:34:44,281 --> 00:34:47,518
DR. LANPHEAR: But the more
unethical part of what we do
625
00:34:47,551 --> 00:34:50,920
is use these chemicals before
they've been tested for safety.
626
00:34:50,954 --> 00:34:53,491
Did anybody ever ask you
to sign a consent form
627
00:34:53,524 --> 00:34:55,335
for using these products,
because they didn't know
628
00:34:55,359 --> 00:34:57,728
if it was safe?
Of course not.
629
00:34:57,761 --> 00:35:02,100
♪
630
00:35:03,867 --> 00:35:06,070
JULIE: Labels
do not disclose
631
00:35:06,103 --> 00:35:10,908
what's in "parfum," "aroma,"
"fragrance," or "flavour."
632
00:35:10,941 --> 00:35:13,843
Those catch-all terms
can conceal a range
633
00:35:13,877 --> 00:35:16,013
of potentially
hazardous chemicals.
634
00:35:16,046 --> 00:35:18,082
JULIE: The world operates
with what's called
635
00:35:18,115 --> 00:35:21,252
a post-market regulatory system.
636
00:35:21,285 --> 00:35:25,055
That means that the product
is put onto the market first.
637
00:35:25,088 --> 00:35:27,525
It's not like you have to
test the product first,
638
00:35:27,558 --> 00:35:29,727
make sure it's safe,
and then it goes on the market.
639
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,030
No, it goes on the market,
and then if there are incidents,
640
00:35:33,063 --> 00:35:35,699
that's when the regulatory
system kicks in.
641
00:35:35,732 --> 00:35:38,469
Nobody's testing to see
if that eyeshadow
642
00:35:38,502 --> 00:35:41,772
has in it what it says
it has in it.
643
00:35:41,805 --> 00:35:46,077
♪
644
00:35:48,078 --> 00:35:50,156
RON: Let me ask you first,
and I'd like to just go down
645
00:35:50,180 --> 00:35:52,316
the row, whether
each of you believe
646
00:35:52,349 --> 00:35:55,386
that nicotine is not addictive?
647
00:35:55,419 --> 00:35:58,455
JAMES: Congressman,
cigarettes and nicotine
648
00:35:58,488 --> 00:36:03,259
clearly do not meet the classic
definitions of addiction.
649
00:36:03,293 --> 00:36:04,728
[cartoon gunshot]
650
00:36:04,761 --> 00:36:06,272
DR. SMITH: I think the best
available science points
651
00:36:06,296 --> 00:36:09,232
to that this cosmetics issue
as being even bigger
652
00:36:09,266 --> 00:36:11,936
than the tobacco industry,
653
00:36:11,969 --> 00:36:13,804
because we're talking about
654
00:36:13,837 --> 00:36:17,408
thousands of
different chemicals,
655
00:36:17,441 --> 00:36:20,477
most of which haven't
been adequately safety tested.
656
00:36:20,510 --> 00:36:24,348
♪
657
00:37:13,397 --> 00:37:16,534
♪
658
00:37:19,870 --> 00:37:21,805
DR. SMITH: There are
really two pressing
659
00:37:21,838 --> 00:37:24,375
pollution crises at the moment.
660
00:37:24,408 --> 00:37:26,319
One gets a lot of media,
and that's climate change.
661
00:37:26,343 --> 00:37:30,413
And deservedly so.
662
00:37:30,447 --> 00:37:35,419
[seagulls calling]
663
00:37:35,452 --> 00:37:39,657
SMITH: I often wonder why
this second pollution crisis,
664
00:37:39,690 --> 00:37:41,525
this crisis of toxic chemicals
665
00:37:41,558 --> 00:37:44,161
in the products
that we use every day,
666
00:37:44,194 --> 00:37:45,763
why doesn't this
second pollution crisis
667
00:37:45,796 --> 00:37:49,232
get more attention?
668
00:37:49,266 --> 00:37:54,005
♪
669
00:37:59,042 --> 00:38:01,011
MYMY: I met with
Dr. Rick Smith.
670
00:38:01,044 --> 00:38:03,047
He is an environmentalist,
671
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,848
and he's also done an experiment
672
00:38:04,881 --> 00:38:06,216
and wrote a book about it,
673
00:38:06,249 --> 00:38:08,919
called "Slow Death
by Rubber Duck."
674
00:38:08,952 --> 00:38:12,189
♪
675
00:38:12,222 --> 00:38:15,426
MYMY: I'm starting
medical school in the fall
676
00:38:15,459 --> 00:38:17,428
at Boston University in the lab.
677
00:38:17,461 --> 00:38:19,763
DR. SMITH: That's great.
MYMY: [laughs] Thank you.
678
00:38:19,796 --> 00:38:22,966
The lab that I was
working in the past year,
679
00:38:22,999 --> 00:38:26,102
a lot of our work is
owed to your book,
680
00:38:26,136 --> 00:38:30,074
and self-experimentation
with toxins,
681
00:38:30,107 --> 00:38:32,710
and seeing the effects
on your own body.
682
00:38:32,743 --> 00:38:35,088
DR. SMITH: So, are you gonna be
doing an experiment on yourself?
683
00:38:35,112 --> 00:38:36,589
MYMY: I'm doing an
experiment on myself.
684
00:38:36,613 --> 00:38:38,082
DR. SMITH: Okay.
Alright, very good.
685
00:38:38,115 --> 00:38:39,625
I mean, that's terrible,
but that's... you know,
686
00:38:39,649 --> 00:38:41,317
I mean, that'll be interesting.
687
00:38:41,351 --> 00:38:42,829
MYMY: Yeah, so I'm...
DR. SMITH: Yeah.
688
00:38:42,853 --> 00:38:44,722
MYMY: gonna get
back to baseline,
689
00:38:44,755 --> 00:38:47,758
where I'll use no products,
take off all my makeup.
690
00:38:47,791 --> 00:38:49,159
DR. SMITH: Yeah.
691
00:38:49,192 --> 00:38:50,928
MYMY: Stop using soap.
692
00:38:50,961 --> 00:38:53,464
And then put on all
the mainstream products.
693
00:38:53,497 --> 00:38:54,665
DR. SMITH: Yeah.
694
00:38:54,698 --> 00:38:56,933
MYMY: And take
the urine test afterwards
695
00:38:56,967 --> 00:39:00,904
to see my levels
of phthalates and parabens.
696
00:39:00,937 --> 00:39:03,841
DR. SMITH: So all of our
experiments mimic daily life.
697
00:39:03,874 --> 00:39:05,908
And we've done a lot of
experiments with cosmetics.
698
00:39:05,942 --> 00:39:08,746
We've looked at whether
you can increase
699
00:39:08,779 --> 00:39:10,514
the level of phthalates
in your body,
700
00:39:10,547 --> 00:39:12,916
the level of parabens
in your body
701
00:39:12,949 --> 00:39:14,852
just by using certain products.
MYMY: Right.
702
00:39:14,885 --> 00:39:17,454
DR. SMITH: Our bodies are pretty
good at getting rid of them
703
00:39:17,487 --> 00:39:20,090
on a regular basis.
MYMY: Yeah.
704
00:39:20,123 --> 00:39:22,960
DR. SMITH: We all
have relatively high,
705
00:39:22,993 --> 00:39:25,596
relatively constant levels
of these chemicals
706
00:39:25,629 --> 00:39:27,865
in our bodies all the time.
MYMY: Yeah, yeah.
707
00:39:27,898 --> 00:39:29,633
DR. SMITH: Which means that
708
00:39:29,666 --> 00:39:31,468
we're being
constantly re-exposed.
709
00:39:31,501 --> 00:39:33,137
MYMY: Yeah.
DR. SMITH: So we're kinda...
710
00:39:33,170 --> 00:39:36,974
marinating ourselves
unwittingly in these chemicals.
711
00:39:37,007 --> 00:39:40,677
♪
712
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:44,448
DR. ZOTA: We wrote a commentary
to talk about a phenomenon
713
00:39:44,481 --> 00:39:47,851
that we call the environmental
injustice of beauty.
714
00:39:47,884 --> 00:39:52,322
♪
715
00:39:52,355 --> 00:39:55,826
ZOTA: It's really trying
to frame this problem
716
00:39:55,859 --> 00:39:58,194
of disproportionate
chemical exposures
717
00:39:58,228 --> 00:40:01,064
among women of colour.
718
00:40:01,097 --> 00:40:04,134
We further go on
to talk about how each
719
00:40:04,167 --> 00:40:06,970
of these categories
of product use,
720
00:40:07,003 --> 00:40:09,139
whether it's skin care, hair,
721
00:40:09,172 --> 00:40:11,508
feminine care products,
vaginal douches,
722
00:40:11,541 --> 00:40:15,179
and feminine sprays,
and feminine wipes,
723
00:40:15,212 --> 00:40:18,783
use of baby powder
in the genital area...
724
00:40:20,517 --> 00:40:23,520
We also see differences
in skin care products.
725
00:40:23,553 --> 00:40:27,424
♪
726
00:40:27,457 --> 00:40:29,827
DR. ZOTA: Skin lighteners
are being used
727
00:40:29,860 --> 00:40:33,397
by women across the globe.
728
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:36,667
♪
729
00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:39,703
DR. ZOTA: There are cases
in the medical literature
730
00:40:39,736 --> 00:40:43,272
of mercury poisoning
from skin care products.
731
00:40:43,306 --> 00:40:47,544
♪
732
00:40:47,577 --> 00:40:50,414
DR. ZOTA: This preference
for Eurocentric beauty norms
733
00:40:50,447 --> 00:40:55,386
can have really long-lasting
effects on body image.
734
00:40:58,388 --> 00:41:01,458
♪
735
00:41:01,491 --> 00:41:03,694
DR. DARBRE: I'm going to
start off this evening
736
00:41:03,727 --> 00:41:06,296
by talking about
personal care products,
737
00:41:06,329 --> 00:41:08,532
and about breast cancer.
738
00:41:08,565 --> 00:41:10,133
Breast cancer is
not a new disease.
739
00:41:10,166 --> 00:41:11,969
It was there in ancient Egypt.
740
00:41:12,002 --> 00:41:14,304
It was recorded
in ancient Greece.
741
00:41:14,337 --> 00:41:17,908
But the rate of increase
in breast cancer
742
00:41:17,941 --> 00:41:21,745
is absolutely unprecedented.
743
00:41:21,778 --> 00:41:24,448
DR. DARBRE: So this is where
we actually grow the cells.
744
00:41:24,481 --> 00:41:28,051
The human breast cancer cells.
745
00:41:28,084 --> 00:41:30,254
And we're gonna have a look
under the microscope
746
00:41:30,287 --> 00:41:32,555
at whether they're growing,
747
00:41:32,589 --> 00:41:35,325
and whether they're
growing more with parabens
748
00:41:35,358 --> 00:41:38,262
than without parabens.
749
00:41:38,295 --> 00:41:40,330
I've tested all
of them individually,
750
00:41:40,363 --> 00:41:44,902
and in combination, and they can
make human breast cancer cells
751
00:41:44,935 --> 00:41:48,138
grow, and may be able
to mimic oestrogen action
752
00:41:48,171 --> 00:41:50,607
in breast cells.
753
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,942
DR. DARBRE: In 2004,
we upset the world by showing
754
00:41:52,976 --> 00:41:55,479
that parabens could even
get into the human breast.
755
00:41:55,512 --> 00:41:58,649
We then did a bigger
study in 2012,
756
00:41:58,682 --> 00:42:03,587
in which we found paraben
in 158 out of 160 samples.
757
00:42:03,620 --> 00:42:06,022
And furthermore,
we didn't find one paraben,
758
00:42:06,056 --> 00:42:10,160
we found five parabens
in 60% of those samples.
759
00:42:10,193 --> 00:42:12,329
Parabens are added
to many products
760
00:42:12,362 --> 00:42:14,097
to preserve them.
761
00:42:14,130 --> 00:42:15,866
Body care products
762
00:42:15,899 --> 00:42:17,634
and skin care products
763
00:42:17,667 --> 00:42:21,638
that you can buy on
the supermarket shelf.
764
00:42:21,671 --> 00:42:24,006
I'm actually quite upset
765
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,810
by how much I've measured
in human breast tissue.
766
00:42:26,843 --> 00:42:29,279
♪
767
00:42:29,312 --> 00:42:32,482
DR. ZOTA: One common adage is
that the dose makes the poison.
768
00:42:32,515 --> 00:42:35,618
That is not so straightforward
with endocrine disruptors,
769
00:42:35,652 --> 00:42:37,463
because sometimes you can
have different effects
770
00:42:37,487 --> 00:42:40,023
at lower levels.
Sometimes more severe effects
771
00:42:40,056 --> 00:42:41,992
than you can at higher levels.
772
00:42:42,025 --> 00:42:45,529
In utero exposures
are most often linked
773
00:42:45,562 --> 00:42:48,464
with some of the most severe
effects that we've seen to date,
774
00:42:48,498 --> 00:42:52,069
as well as effects
early in childhood.
775
00:42:52,102 --> 00:42:56,138
[children laughing]
776
00:42:56,172 --> 00:42:58,084
DR. JAMES-TODD: Children's
bodies work differently.
777
00:42:58,108 --> 00:43:01,411
They're smaller; they metabolize
things differently than we do.
778
00:43:01,444 --> 00:43:04,081
And their bodies
are developing still.
779
00:43:04,114 --> 00:43:07,851
So when they're exposed to these
endocrine disrupting chemicals
780
00:43:07,884 --> 00:43:11,655
in our personal care products,
that has implications
781
00:43:11,688 --> 00:43:16,593
for that child's future health.
782
00:43:16,626 --> 00:43:19,162
What we know
is that the children
783
00:43:19,195 --> 00:43:22,599
who start their periods younger
are at an increased of obesity,
784
00:43:22,632 --> 00:43:24,935
cardiovascular disease,
diabetes.
785
00:43:24,968 --> 00:43:26,837
And so we really
believe that childhood
786
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:29,373
could be a sensitive
window of time
787
00:43:29,406 --> 00:43:33,677
by which these exposures might
be particularly deleterious.
788
00:43:33,710 --> 00:43:36,346
MALE NARRATOR: Little girls
like to look pretty.
789
00:43:36,379 --> 00:43:39,216
But some of Mother's
good-smelling cosmetics
790
00:43:39,249 --> 00:43:41,017
might be poisonous.
791
00:43:41,051 --> 00:43:44,888
Even simple things like perfume,
or nail polish
792
00:43:44,921 --> 00:43:47,624
can make you ill.
793
00:43:47,657 --> 00:43:50,727
DR. LANPHEAR: Toxins can have
a lifelong impact on children.
794
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,864
We've also discovered that
extremely low levels of toxins
795
00:43:53,897 --> 00:43:55,732
can impact brain development.
796
00:43:55,765 --> 00:43:59,803
DR. LANPHEAR: Joel Bocken, who's
a lawyer at UBC, and a friend,
797
00:43:59,836 --> 00:44:02,705
he's written a couple books; one
was called "The Corporation."
798
00:44:02,739 --> 00:44:05,475
And he was interviewing me
about how different
799
00:44:05,508 --> 00:44:07,611
environmental chemicals
impact children.
800
00:44:07,644 --> 00:44:09,312
Going through this litany.
801
00:44:09,345 --> 00:44:11,090
And after about five
or ten minutes, he says,
802
00:44:11,114 --> 00:44:12,783
"Wait a minute, stop, stop.
803
00:44:12,816 --> 00:44:14,093
"You do this for
a living, right?"
804
00:44:14,117 --> 00:44:15,619
I said yes.
805
00:44:15,652 --> 00:44:17,788
"You have kids?"
Yes.
806
00:44:17,821 --> 00:44:20,656
"Can you protect
your own children?"
807
00:44:20,690 --> 00:44:22,059
No way.
808
00:44:22,092 --> 00:44:24,628
There's too many.
809
00:44:24,661 --> 00:44:26,963
♪
810
00:44:26,996 --> 00:44:29,299
DR. BOUCHARD: I've been
studying the impact
811
00:44:29,332 --> 00:44:31,902
of personal care products
and also pesticides
812
00:44:31,935 --> 00:44:34,938
on children's brain development.
813
00:44:34,971 --> 00:44:37,441
A lot of chemicals out there
are neurotoxicants.
814
00:44:37,474 --> 00:44:38,575
For instance,
815
00:44:38,608 --> 00:44:41,611
lead exposure is
associated with ADHD,
816
00:44:41,644 --> 00:44:44,314
so Attention Deficit
Hyperactive Disorder,
817
00:44:44,347 --> 00:44:49,286
which is now quite
prevalent in the population.
818
00:44:49,319 --> 00:44:52,923
It's not only chemicals,
like man-made chemicals;
819
00:44:52,956 --> 00:44:56,626
there's also natural elements,
natural substances...
820
00:44:56,659 --> 00:45:00,163
Like essential oils,
for instance, are a big one.
821
00:45:00,196 --> 00:45:04,034
[bee buzzing]
822
00:45:04,067 --> 00:45:06,703
DR. BOUCHARD: An
example is lavender oil.
823
00:45:06,736 --> 00:45:09,973
It's being used in
a lot of products,
824
00:45:10,006 --> 00:45:14,377
and it's actually a pretty
powerful endocrine disruptor.
825
00:45:14,410 --> 00:45:17,446
There's been case studies
published of boys
826
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,551
growing breasts because
of use of creams or lotions,
827
00:45:21,584 --> 00:45:24,687
or oil that were
applied to their bodies.
828
00:45:24,721 --> 00:45:27,691
♪
829
00:45:27,724 --> 00:45:31,194
DR. DARBRE: Baby boys are very,
very susceptible to exposure
830
00:45:31,227 --> 00:45:33,196
to oestrogenic compounds.
831
00:45:33,229 --> 00:45:36,700
In exposure either prior
to birth, or just after birth,
832
00:45:36,733 --> 00:45:39,035
can have profound effects
833
00:45:39,068 --> 00:45:43,306
on hormonal control
of reproduction in men.
834
00:45:43,339 --> 00:45:47,009
♪
835
00:45:50,013 --> 00:45:52,024
MYMY: These companies are
telling you, "Yeah, it's gentle,
836
00:45:52,048 --> 00:45:56,720
"it's safe," and then you
learn ten years down the line,
837
00:45:56,753 --> 00:45:59,823
"Oh my god, I'm infertile.
Why am I infertile?"
838
00:45:59,856 --> 00:46:02,092
Or "Oh my god,
I have cancer."
839
00:46:02,125 --> 00:46:03,527
Why?
Where did this come from?
840
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,596
My family doesn't have cancer,
no history of cancer.
841
00:46:06,629 --> 00:46:08,598
There are questions
that should be raised.
842
00:46:08,631 --> 00:46:11,301
And we need to find answers.
843
00:46:37,227 --> 00:46:39,529
ALAN: My name's Alan Smith,
844
00:46:39,562 --> 00:46:43,232
and I'm a trial attorney
here in Mississippi.
845
00:46:43,266 --> 00:46:47,270
I saw a blog post from a lady
named Deane Berg that said,
846
00:46:47,303 --> 00:46:49,606
"I have suffered ovarian cancer.
847
00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:51,441
"I have no risk factors
848
00:46:51,474 --> 00:46:54,377
"other than I am a lifelong
genital talc user
849
00:46:54,410 --> 00:46:56,413
"that I learned
from my mother."
850
00:46:56,446 --> 00:46:59,415
And I responded immediately,
"I've been looking at this issue
851
00:46:59,449 --> 00:47:03,320
"for four or five years,
and I will be more than happy
852
00:47:03,353 --> 00:47:06,757
"to speak with you."
So that's how we started.
853
00:47:10,793 --> 00:47:12,062
WOMEN: Hi.
854
00:47:12,095 --> 00:47:13,730
DEANE: We're looking
for John Sloan.
855
00:47:13,763 --> 00:47:16,066
RECEPTIONIST: Sure, one sec.
856
00:47:16,099 --> 00:47:18,635
DEANE: I'm looking forward to
speaking to the Canadian women,
857
00:47:18,668 --> 00:47:22,138
because I want them too to have
hope that they can fight this,
858
00:47:22,171 --> 00:47:25,908
that they can live with it,
and that we're in this together.
859
00:47:25,942 --> 00:47:27,444
JOHN: Hi, I'm John.
DEANE: Deane Berg.
860
00:47:27,477 --> 00:47:29,812
JOHN: Nice to meet you, Deane.
Thanks for coming.
861
00:47:29,846 --> 00:47:31,423
We're the ones that
actually speak with the...
862
00:47:31,447 --> 00:47:32,691
ALAN: I always called
her my Erin Brockovich,
863
00:47:32,715 --> 00:47:36,753
because she was
the ultimate whistleblower.
864
00:47:36,786 --> 00:47:39,189
DEANE: Why didn't this ever
come out to the public?
865
00:47:39,222 --> 00:47:42,192
Why was there no notice
put on baby powder?
866
00:47:42,225 --> 00:47:44,493
And why isn't this
talked about, then?
867
00:47:44,527 --> 00:47:47,364
If this is one of the most
deadly cancers for women,
868
00:47:47,397 --> 00:47:50,100
why isn't this brought
out in the public?
869
00:47:50,133 --> 00:47:52,468
WOMAN: Hi, ladies.
WOMEN: Hi.
870
00:47:52,502 --> 00:47:55,138
WOMAN: Yeah, well,
I can't hear anything.
871
00:47:55,171 --> 00:47:58,375
[laughter]
WOMAN: Hi, thank you.
872
00:47:58,408 --> 00:48:00,977
DEANE: I went on the National
Ovarian Cancer Alliance site,
873
00:48:01,010 --> 00:48:02,545
and I just put on a blog:
874
00:48:02,578 --> 00:48:04,814
"Has anyone else
developed ovarian cancer
875
00:48:04,847 --> 00:48:05,882
"from talcum powder?"
876
00:48:05,915 --> 00:48:07,984
And then Alan Smith,
877
00:48:08,017 --> 00:48:11,120
the lawyer that I ended up
getting, contacted me.
878
00:48:11,154 --> 00:48:13,490
And he said, "I think
you'd be the good case,
879
00:48:13,523 --> 00:48:16,192
"because they can't find
anything against you."
880
00:48:16,225 --> 00:48:17,727
We started the lawsuit,
881
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,130
and then Johnson & Johnson
of course tried to fight it.
882
00:48:20,163 --> 00:48:22,165
They tried to get it
thrown out for this reason,
883
00:48:22,198 --> 00:48:23,799
that reason, everything.
884
00:48:23,833 --> 00:48:25,802
But the judge was
a woman, thankfully,
885
00:48:25,835 --> 00:48:28,538
and she stood
behind us and said,
886
00:48:28,571 --> 00:48:31,341
"No, it's gotta go to court."
887
00:48:37,747 --> 00:48:42,085
DR. CRAMER: I first
published my study in 1982,
888
00:48:42,118 --> 00:48:45,388
and I did not contact
Johnson & Johnson;
889
00:48:45,421 --> 00:48:49,359
they contacted me.
890
00:48:49,392 --> 00:48:51,727
Dr. Bruce Semple,
who was the medical director
891
00:48:51,761 --> 00:48:53,697
of Johnson & Johnson at the time
892
00:48:53,730 --> 00:48:56,766
wanted to meet with me;
came to Boston.
893
00:48:56,799 --> 00:48:59,069
I think he spent his time trying
to convince me that talc
894
00:48:59,102 --> 00:49:00,437
was a harmless habit,
and I said,
895
00:49:00,470 --> 00:49:02,205
"Well, maybe you
just should consider
896
00:49:02,238 --> 00:49:04,006
"you may need to put
a warning label on it,
897
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,877
"or you'll want to put
a warning label on it."
898
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:11,047
I was contacted by
a little magazine called
899
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,049
Cancer Prevention
for Primary Care Doctors.
900
00:49:14,083 --> 00:49:15,961
I wrote the little article
about why you should warn
901
00:49:15,985 --> 00:49:18,588
your patients about talc.
902
00:49:18,621 --> 00:49:22,792
♪
903
00:49:22,825 --> 00:49:25,261
DR. CRAMER: Well, that caught
Dr. Semple's attention again,
904
00:49:25,294 --> 00:49:27,596
and he wrote a letter.
905
00:49:27,630 --> 00:49:29,599
They encouraged me to limit
906
00:49:29,632 --> 00:49:32,268
the amount of public
discussion of the topic.
907
00:49:32,301 --> 00:49:35,904
♪
908
00:49:35,938 --> 00:49:39,109
DR. CRAMER: I didn't have any
further contact with them.
909
00:49:39,142 --> 00:49:41,611
I think they kept track
of what I was studying,
910
00:49:41,644 --> 00:49:44,147
and my papers on the topic.
911
00:49:44,180 --> 00:49:46,783
ALAN: We're talking about
a product named "baby powder."
912
00:49:46,816 --> 00:49:48,817
It's not just talc.
913
00:49:48,851 --> 00:49:51,721
It's 99% talc,
which is carcinogenic.
914
00:49:51,754 --> 00:49:54,723
It has asbestos in it,
which is carcinogenic.
915
00:49:54,757 --> 00:49:58,461
It has heavy metals in it,
which are known carcinogens,
916
00:49:58,494 --> 00:50:01,664
and it has silica in it,
which is a known carcinogen,
917
00:50:01,697 --> 00:50:04,501
so I liken baby powder
918
00:50:04,534 --> 00:50:08,171
as a delivery device
of multiple carcinogens,
919
00:50:08,204 --> 00:50:12,675
exactly like a cigarette.
920
00:50:12,708 --> 00:50:14,978
SPEAKER: The senator
from Massachusetts.
921
00:50:15,011 --> 00:50:17,313
SEN. KENNEDY: A technique
that has been used
922
00:50:17,346 --> 00:50:20,950
to extract ovarian tumour
material found talc particles
923
00:50:20,983 --> 00:50:23,420
in approximately 75%
924
00:50:23,453 --> 00:50:26,423
of ovarian tumours examined.
925
00:50:26,456 --> 00:50:28,992
Subsequent evaluations
have appeared to support
926
00:50:29,025 --> 00:50:31,327
the contention of an
association between talc
927
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,596
and ovarian carcinoma.
928
00:50:33,629 --> 00:50:37,333
ALAN: J&J, I consider
as the ultimate villain
929
00:50:37,366 --> 00:50:40,136
in this situation,
and I want to say clearly why.
930
00:50:40,169 --> 00:50:43,006
After we filed Deane Berg's
suit in South Dakota
931
00:50:43,039 --> 00:50:47,610
in federal court,
932
00:50:47,643 --> 00:50:50,613
I sent a request for
production of documents.
933
00:50:50,646 --> 00:50:54,284
My office was stacked with
six, seven feet high
934
00:50:54,317 --> 00:50:57,353
of papers all around my office,
935
00:50:57,386 --> 00:51:00,290
and I went through every
single piece of paper.
936
00:51:00,323 --> 00:51:03,692
♪
937
00:51:03,726 --> 00:51:07,363
ALAN: It was absolutely
shocking internal material.
938
00:51:07,396 --> 00:51:11,868
♪
939
00:51:16,873 --> 00:51:19,743
ALAN: I'm talking about decades,
going back to the 50s...
940
00:51:21,911 --> 00:51:26,649
60s.
941
00:51:26,682 --> 00:51:28,484
That they were seeking
a replacement for talc
942
00:51:28,518 --> 00:51:33,089
in the 60s.
943
00:51:33,122 --> 00:51:36,158
And in the same document,
they're admitting that talc
944
00:51:36,192 --> 00:51:39,529
cannot be safely
absorbed in the vagina.
945
00:51:39,562 --> 00:51:40,873
And so they were looking
for that replacement
946
00:51:40,897 --> 00:51:42,832
because of that very reason.
947
00:51:42,865 --> 00:51:44,433
They told no one.
948
00:51:44,467 --> 00:51:47,370
And then I've seen them go and
use their corporate influence
949
00:51:47,403 --> 00:51:50,874
to prevent governmental
regulation.
950
00:51:50,907 --> 00:51:55,445
♪
951
00:51:55,478 --> 00:51:58,414
ALAN: Not ever
in tobacco litigation,
952
00:51:58,447 --> 00:52:02,218
in benzene litigation,
not in asbestos litigation,
953
00:52:02,251 --> 00:52:05,688
has there been an email
or a letter memorializing
954
00:52:05,721 --> 00:52:09,459
a conspiracy to this scale.
955
00:52:09,492 --> 00:52:12,028
They're going out
and having side meetings
956
00:52:12,061 --> 00:52:14,197
with certain
officials at the FDA,
957
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:18,067
to prevent the FDA from
regulating their product.
958
00:52:18,100 --> 00:52:22,404
♪
959
00:52:22,438 --> 00:52:26,609
ALAN: If that is not
the definition of a villain,
960
00:52:26,642 --> 00:52:28,544
I don't know what is.
961
00:52:28,578 --> 00:52:30,780
TARA: With so much
information available about
962
00:52:30,813 --> 00:52:32,949
everything we come
in contact with,
963
00:52:32,982 --> 00:52:35,118
some true, and some not,
964
00:52:35,151 --> 00:52:37,953
it can be hard to know what to
pay attention to these days.
965
00:52:37,987 --> 00:52:39,923
All of us at Johnson & Johnson
966
00:52:39,956 --> 00:52:42,659
deeply sympathize
with the women and families
967
00:52:42,692 --> 00:52:45,495
impacted by
this devastating disease.
968
00:52:45,528 --> 00:52:49,064
At the same time,
we are guided by the science
969
00:52:49,098 --> 00:52:52,502
which supports the safety
of Johnson's Baby Powder.
970
00:52:52,535 --> 00:52:56,339
DR. NESS: Talc causes
ovarian cancer.
971
00:52:56,372 --> 00:52:59,808
Johnson & Johnson has known
about this for decades.
972
00:52:59,842 --> 00:53:03,112
And they refuse to do
anything about that.
973
00:53:03,145 --> 00:53:05,315
DEANE: So they put me
through the deposition,
974
00:53:05,348 --> 00:53:07,250
and then we met
out in Rapid City,
975
00:53:07,283 --> 00:53:10,787
the western part of
South Dakota, and they said,
976
00:53:10,820 --> 00:53:14,958
"Well, we'll offer you 800,000."
And I said,
977
00:53:14,991 --> 00:53:16,526
"Well, what about
the warning label?"
978
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:18,027
I thought this was
all part of it.
979
00:53:18,060 --> 00:53:19,596
There was gonna be
a warning label,
980
00:53:19,629 --> 00:53:21,798
or the product would be
taken off the market.
981
00:53:21,831 --> 00:53:23,299
No, none of that.
982
00:53:23,332 --> 00:53:25,268
And then I'd have
to be silent, right?
983
00:53:25,301 --> 00:53:27,804
I went out for a walk with my
husband at the time, and I said,
984
00:53:27,837 --> 00:53:29,872
you know, "We didn't
do this for money."
985
00:53:29,905 --> 00:53:32,842
I said, "What about all the
other women that are out there?
986
00:53:32,875 --> 00:53:34,711
"And if I just take money,
987
00:53:34,744 --> 00:53:37,213
"what good is this gonna do?"
It isn't.
988
00:53:37,246 --> 00:53:38,523
So we went back in
and they said,
989
00:53:38,547 --> 00:53:42,685
"Okay, 1.3 million."
And I said no.
990
00:53:42,718 --> 00:53:45,020
I stood up, I said, "I'll see
you in court in September,"
991
00:53:45,054 --> 00:53:48,358
and walked out of the room.
992
00:53:48,391 --> 00:53:51,194
♪
993
00:53:54,196 --> 00:53:57,133
DR. DODSON: So, Silent Spring
was founded over 20 years ago,
994
00:53:57,166 --> 00:53:59,402
by breast cancer activists.
995
00:54:02,405 --> 00:54:06,542
♪
996
00:54:06,575 --> 00:54:08,220
DR. DODSON: We were
founded as an institute
997
00:54:08,244 --> 00:54:10,747
to try to study the links
between the environment
998
00:54:10,780 --> 00:54:12,215
and women's health.
999
00:54:12,248 --> 00:54:18,087
♪
1000
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:19,560
DR. DODSON: I test
people themselves,
1001
00:54:19,588 --> 00:54:22,525
and really trying to
characterize our exposures,
1002
00:54:22,558 --> 00:54:25,094
try to develop
effective strategies
1003
00:54:25,127 --> 00:54:26,729
to try to reduce
those exposures.
1004
00:54:26,762 --> 00:54:29,399
ALEX: Hi, there.
1005
00:54:29,432 --> 00:54:31,067
Hi Mymy, I'm Alex.
MYMY: Hi.
1006
00:54:31,100 --> 00:54:32,835
I have a project here.
1007
00:54:32,868 --> 00:54:35,038
ALEX: That's great.
MYMY: Hi!
1008
00:54:35,071 --> 00:54:36,448
DR. DODSON: Hi, Mymy,
nice to meet you.
1009
00:54:36,472 --> 00:54:38,541
MYMY: Hi!
Nice to meet you too.
1010
00:54:38,574 --> 00:54:40,118
DR. DODSON: So, thanks for
coming to Silent Spring,
1011
00:54:40,142 --> 00:54:41,853
and I'm excited to tell
you about our study.
1012
00:54:41,877 --> 00:54:43,746
MYMY: Yes.
1013
00:54:43,779 --> 00:54:45,214
DR. DODSON: Have a seat.
1014
00:54:45,247 --> 00:54:48,084
MYMY: Okay.
1015
00:54:48,117 --> 00:54:51,888
Basically I wanted to look
at the chemical body burden
1016
00:54:51,921 --> 00:54:54,524
difference between
using my normal
1017
00:54:54,557 --> 00:54:58,694
every-day products
versus clean products.
1018
00:54:58,728 --> 00:55:01,364
So I actually just
recently looked at...
1019
00:55:01,397 --> 00:55:03,799
Started looking at
the ingredients in my shampoos,
1020
00:55:03,833 --> 00:55:06,235
and deodorants...
Deodorant's a big one.
1021
00:55:06,268 --> 00:55:10,273
I keep mentioning it, but
because I just use it so often,
1022
00:55:10,306 --> 00:55:13,209
and there's aluminium, and talc,
1023
00:55:13,242 --> 00:55:15,878
which I have read
in studies that are...
1024
00:55:15,911 --> 00:55:19,615
That can cause breast cancer,
ovarian cancer.
1025
00:55:19,648 --> 00:55:23,052
So if that's in my deodorant,
then what else am I using,
1026
00:55:23,085 --> 00:55:25,588
and unknowingly causing harm?
1027
00:55:25,621 --> 00:55:28,491
What do you think is so key
1028
00:55:28,524 --> 00:55:30,125
to knowing our
chemical body burden?
1029
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:32,795
DR. DODSON: The key here
is that it...
1030
00:55:32,828 --> 00:55:34,430
We're concerned about exposures
1031
00:55:34,463 --> 00:55:36,074
during certain time
periods in people's lives.
1032
00:55:36,098 --> 00:55:37,933
Right, so when
a woman is pregnant,
1033
00:55:37,967 --> 00:55:40,112
we're worried about the exposure
that might happen in the foetus,
1034
00:55:40,136 --> 00:55:42,772
right, we're concerned
about early life exposures
1035
00:55:42,805 --> 00:55:45,841
to children, because that can
affect their development.
1036
00:55:45,875 --> 00:55:49,112
But also women, whom then
might be of childbearing age.
1037
00:55:49,145 --> 00:55:50,980
DR. DODSON: Here.
1038
00:55:51,013 --> 00:55:52,915
You can take a urine sample,
1039
00:55:52,948 --> 00:55:55,917
and then put it
back into the kit,
1040
00:55:55,951 --> 00:55:59,088
and freeze it, and then
once you've frozen it,
1041
00:55:59,121 --> 00:56:03,426
you can then send it back
to us in this shipper,
1042
00:56:03,459 --> 00:56:05,428
and we pull them all together,
1043
00:56:05,461 --> 00:56:06,863
and then we send
them off to the lab
1044
00:56:06,896 --> 00:56:08,264
for the chemical analysis.
1045
00:56:08,297 --> 00:56:11,033
MYMY: Yeah, no, it looks
pretty self-explanatory, too.
1046
00:56:11,066 --> 00:56:12,477
DR. DODSON: Yeah.
MYMY: Thank you so much.
1047
00:56:12,501 --> 00:56:13,812
DR. DODSON: You're welcome.
See you later.
1048
00:56:13,836 --> 00:56:17,106
MYMY: Bye.
1049
00:56:17,139 --> 00:56:21,377
♪
1050
00:56:21,410 --> 00:56:25,982
MYMY: So it's day one
of my experiment.
1051
00:56:26,015 --> 00:56:28,551
I'm supposed to be
doing a detox day,
1052
00:56:28,584 --> 00:56:30,986
so no products at all,
1053
00:56:31,020 --> 00:56:33,356
I just took a shower
with no shampoo,
1054
00:56:33,389 --> 00:56:36,058
no conditioner, no soap.
1055
00:56:36,091 --> 00:56:38,060
It was the weirdest thing ever.
1056
00:56:38,093 --> 00:56:40,997
And I'm not using
any toothpaste,
1057
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:43,966
and my breath's gonna smell.
1058
00:56:43,999 --> 00:56:47,669
I can't use deodorant
either, and it's...
1059
00:56:47,703 --> 00:56:49,305
80 degrees outside,
1060
00:56:49,338 --> 00:56:52,909
so I gotta remember
to stay at least like
1061
00:56:52,942 --> 00:56:55,711
20 feet away from everyone.
1062
00:56:55,744 --> 00:56:58,681
♪
1063
00:56:58,714 --> 00:57:02,051
MYMY: So I felt really
dirty all the time.
1064
00:57:02,084 --> 00:57:04,854
No, I can't use soap,
I can't wash my hands.
1065
00:57:04,887 --> 00:57:06,198
And people would
try to talk to me,
1066
00:57:06,222 --> 00:57:07,757
and I would just
look really awkward,
1067
00:57:07,790 --> 00:57:10,226
because I'd back
away from people.
1068
00:57:10,259 --> 00:57:12,895
♪
1069
00:57:12,928 --> 00:57:14,763
MYMY: But detox for 24 hours,
1070
00:57:14,797 --> 00:57:18,067
no use of any products.
1071
00:57:18,100 --> 00:57:20,102
And then after the detox period,
1072
00:57:20,135 --> 00:57:24,407
use your normal products.
1073
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,545
♪
1074
00:57:29,545 --> 00:57:32,849
MYMY: I never thought about
the volume of the products
1075
00:57:32,882 --> 00:57:34,250
that I was using.
1076
00:57:34,283 --> 00:57:37,185
Eyebrows, lipstick, shampoo,
conditioner, shaving.
1077
00:57:37,219 --> 00:57:39,522
I lost count when
I was using them,
1078
00:57:39,555 --> 00:57:42,591
but I think upwards
of 27 products.
1079
00:57:42,625 --> 00:57:45,228
♪
1080
00:57:45,261 --> 00:57:47,430
MYMY: I'm actually gonna
look at every single label
1081
00:57:47,463 --> 00:57:52,235
on every product that I've used.
1082
00:57:52,268 --> 00:57:56,906
Just make a full spreadsheet
of which products have what,
1083
00:57:56,939 --> 00:57:59,609
and then create categories
on which ingredients
1084
00:57:59,642 --> 00:58:02,879
show up most often.
1085
00:58:02,912 --> 00:58:07,049
If I do show a really
high level of chemicals,
1086
00:58:07,082 --> 00:58:09,218
I don't know,
parabens, phthalates,
1087
00:58:09,251 --> 00:58:12,488
I really want to look
into what disruptions
1088
00:58:12,521 --> 00:58:16,626
does this cause in my endocrine
or reproductive system?
1089
00:58:16,659 --> 00:58:19,662
If I can find enough data,
if I can pool enough data
1090
00:58:19,695 --> 00:58:22,665
to show that these chemicals
are very harmful,
1091
00:58:22,698 --> 00:58:24,299
then I would take
it even further.
1092
00:58:24,333 --> 00:58:26,168
And really, tell the public,
1093
00:58:26,201 --> 00:58:28,004
"Hey, this is what
we're doing to our bodies,
1094
00:58:28,037 --> 00:58:29,672
"and we need to stop."
1095
00:58:29,705 --> 00:58:33,610
♪
1096
00:58:37,613 --> 00:58:39,649
STACY: The stories we're
hearing about today,
1097
00:58:39,682 --> 00:58:43,319
about chemical pollution,
about toxic plastic waste,
1098
00:58:43,352 --> 00:58:45,421
about rising rates of cancer,
1099
00:58:45,454 --> 00:58:47,757
aren't just problems
that are happening out here
1100
00:58:47,790 --> 00:58:49,959
that somebody
needs to deal with.
1101
00:58:49,992 --> 00:58:52,662
But they're as close to us
as the choices we're making
1102
00:58:52,695 --> 00:58:54,797
every single day,
about the lotions
1103
00:58:54,830 --> 00:58:56,532
that we put on our faces,
1104
00:58:56,565 --> 00:59:00,169
and the bubbles that we put in
the bathtub with our children.
1105
00:59:00,202 --> 00:59:02,672
STACY: So we started
the Cosmetics Campaign
1106
00:59:02,705 --> 00:59:04,140
out of a concern about
1107
00:59:04,173 --> 00:59:06,508
a particular chemical
called phthalates,
1108
00:59:06,542 --> 00:59:09,278
which is linked through
a long body of research
1109
00:59:09,311 --> 00:59:11,781
to reproductive birth defects,
and particularly,
1110
00:59:11,814 --> 00:59:13,950
impacts on the male
reproductive system.
1111
00:59:13,983 --> 00:59:16,652
We found out in the early 2000s,
1112
00:59:16,685 --> 00:59:18,554
through the Centers
for Disease Control,
1113
00:59:18,587 --> 00:59:23,326
they started to analyze urine
of thousands of Americans.
1114
00:59:23,359 --> 00:59:25,895
Everyone is being
exposed to phthalates,
1115
00:59:25,928 --> 00:59:27,964
but they found
much higher levels
1116
00:59:27,997 --> 00:59:32,368
in women of
child-bearing age, 20-40.
1117
00:59:32,401 --> 00:59:34,502
The researchers that I
worked with had a theory,
1118
00:59:34,536 --> 00:59:36,872
it could be cosmetics.
1119
00:59:36,905 --> 00:59:41,210
So we sent 72 products to
a lab... this was in 2002...
1120
00:59:41,243 --> 00:59:43,511
And found phthalates
in most of them.
1121
00:59:43,545 --> 00:59:47,817
Two thirds of the products.
1122
00:59:47,850 --> 00:59:50,720
Then we reported that
at a press conference,
1123
00:59:50,753 --> 00:59:53,222
we actually had a full-page
ad in The New York Times.
1124
00:59:53,255 --> 00:59:55,691
The headline was, "Sexy for her.
1125
00:59:55,724 --> 01:00:00,496
"For baby,
it really could be poison."
1126
01:00:00,529 --> 01:00:04,567
This was a bomb
in the cosmetics industry.
1127
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,703
Nobody had been asking here,
in the United States,
1128
01:00:07,736 --> 01:00:11,007
about toxic chemicals
in cosmetics.
1129
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:15,778
SCOTT: Last week I got
to spend a day on Capitol Hill
1130
01:00:15,811 --> 01:00:20,549
with a very brave
little girl named Eliana.
1131
01:00:20,582 --> 01:00:25,254
Eliana lost all of her hair,
even her eyelashes.
1132
01:00:25,287 --> 01:00:27,256
You can add pretty much
anything to personal care,
1133
01:00:27,289 --> 01:00:28,924
in any amount.
1134
01:00:28,957 --> 01:00:32,761
And sometimes, as we saw
with a popular shampoo,
1135
01:00:32,795 --> 01:00:34,597
sold by a celebrity hairstylist,
1136
01:00:34,630 --> 01:00:36,565
tens of thousands
of women and girls
1137
01:00:36,598 --> 01:00:40,269
lost some or all of their hair,
some permanently.
1138
01:00:40,302 --> 01:00:42,371
MONICA: And I was just
very, very, very shocked
1139
01:00:42,404 --> 01:00:45,775
and disappointed
that this company
1140
01:00:45,808 --> 01:00:49,812
that makes so much money
off of this product
1141
01:00:49,845 --> 01:00:52,580
cannot be responsible
for what they've done.
1142
01:00:52,614 --> 01:00:55,751
And it's... sorry.
[crying]
1143
01:00:55,784 --> 01:00:59,422
My family has just
seen the worst.
1144
01:00:59,455 --> 01:01:01,090
My hair falling out,
and my husband...
1145
01:01:01,123 --> 01:01:03,325
I had to make a difficult
decision for him
1146
01:01:03,358 --> 01:01:06,328
to go ahead and
shave my hair off.
1147
01:01:06,361 --> 01:01:08,096
[crying]
Sorry.
1148
01:01:12,601 --> 01:01:14,679
PAUL: I would say it was
a pretty horrific experience.
1149
01:01:14,703 --> 01:01:16,739
There's a product called
"Just For Men."
1150
01:01:16,772 --> 01:01:19,075
It's their product
that's used for beards.
1151
01:01:19,108 --> 01:01:20,785
COMMERCIAL: "Just For Men"
hair and beard care.
1152
01:01:20,809 --> 01:01:22,311
Be the better man you are.
1153
01:01:22,344 --> 01:01:25,014
PAUL: By the time I got to bed
that night around 10, 10:30,
1154
01:01:25,047 --> 01:01:26,916
the mild itchiness
had progressed
1155
01:01:26,949 --> 01:01:29,118
to an unbelievable itchiness.
1156
01:01:29,151 --> 01:01:32,421
I made the decision immediately,
we've gotta go over to Emerg.
1157
01:01:32,454 --> 01:01:34,790
SCOTT: There are
certainly acute risks,
1158
01:01:34,823 --> 01:01:37,359
short-term risks from
using personal care,
1159
01:01:37,392 --> 01:01:40,196
whether it's
hair loss, or burns,
1160
01:01:40,229 --> 01:01:42,531
or contaminated products,
1161
01:01:42,564 --> 01:01:46,368
or products with too
much lead, or mercury.
1162
01:01:50,706 --> 01:01:53,175
SCOTT: But there are also
chronic or long-term risks
1163
01:01:53,208 --> 01:01:56,479
that have been linked
to cancer, or fertility.
1164
01:01:56,512 --> 01:01:59,716
[women singing]
1165
01:02:34,216 --> 01:02:36,418
[protesters shouting]
1166
01:02:36,451 --> 01:02:40,055
SCOTT: It's hard to imagine
that there are rules that limit
1167
01:02:40,088 --> 01:02:44,360
what chemicals we can
spray on food, or on crops,
1168
01:02:44,393 --> 01:02:48,097
but not the chemicals we
spray on ourselves every day.
1169
01:02:51,099 --> 01:02:53,702
ALEC: So a large part of
my job as a formulator
1170
01:02:53,735 --> 01:02:57,773
was to constantly
do reformulations.
1171
01:02:57,806 --> 01:03:01,110
Once a certain dye
was thought to be...
1172
01:03:01,143 --> 01:03:05,948
Even potentially
to have toxicities,
1173
01:03:05,981 --> 01:03:09,685
they wouldn't wait for it
to become a regulatory matter,
1174
01:03:09,718 --> 01:03:13,589
they would be proactive
in reformulation.
1175
01:03:13,622 --> 01:03:17,692
But I see bath products,
and shampoos, and 3-in-1s,
1176
01:03:17,726 --> 01:03:21,096
and a lot of bath type
of products for kids.
1177
01:03:21,129 --> 01:03:25,366
Which I have two nephews and
a niece that I love very much.
1178
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,470
When I see their mother soaking
them in this product every night
1179
01:03:28,503 --> 01:03:31,774
for hours on end,
it does concern me,
1180
01:03:31,807 --> 01:03:34,109
because they're not just
taking a quick shower
1181
01:03:34,142 --> 01:03:36,044
and washing it off.
They're soaking in it,
1182
01:03:36,078 --> 01:03:40,583
and playing in it.
1183
01:03:40,616 --> 01:03:44,820
All women who wear any kind of
deodorant, or some moisturizer,
1184
01:03:44,853 --> 01:03:48,757
is gonna have parabens in their
system for the last 50 years.
1185
01:03:48,790 --> 01:03:52,127
But then the marketing
department got a hold of this,
1186
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:53,638
and thought, "We're gonna
be the first product
1187
01:03:53,662 --> 01:03:56,598
"that has no parabens,"
so then they substitute it
1188
01:03:56,632 --> 01:04:01,337
with another preservative:
methylchloroisothiazolinone.
1189
01:04:01,370 --> 01:04:03,906
And now it's proven to be toxic.
1190
01:04:03,939 --> 01:04:08,678
♪
1191
01:04:20,822 --> 01:04:22,858
ROSE MARIE: I never set out
to be a makeup artist.
1192
01:04:22,891 --> 01:04:25,995
I was travelling all over
the world, I've lived in Paris,
1193
01:04:26,028 --> 01:04:29,298
London, Berlin,
Hamburg, New York,
1194
01:04:29,331 --> 01:04:31,200
Miami, all doing makeup.
1195
01:04:31,233 --> 01:04:33,002
I did a lot of
Victoria's Secret,
1196
01:04:33,035 --> 01:04:35,837
and my big thing about that
was these foundations,
1197
01:04:35,871 --> 01:04:40,209
the chemicals I'm using
on the girls' skin.
1198
01:04:40,242 --> 01:04:44,013
These girls are like, 18, 19
years old, they're flawless.
1199
01:04:48,050 --> 01:04:49,184
ROSE MARIE: Open...
1200
01:04:49,217 --> 01:04:50,719
ROSE MARIE: And in my 30s,
1201
01:04:50,752 --> 01:04:52,288
I started feeling
really, really sick.
1202
01:04:52,321 --> 01:04:54,532
I had problems with a lot of the
makeup because it was burning
1203
01:04:54,556 --> 01:04:56,659
my skin when I'd do full
body makeup on the girls,
1204
01:04:56,692 --> 01:04:58,136
and I'd take it off
with a makeup wipe,
1205
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:01,129
my arms literally would
break out into a rash.
1206
01:05:01,163 --> 01:05:03,632
And I so I went and had
really advanced bloodwork,
1207
01:05:03,665 --> 01:05:05,868
urine analysis,
and hair analysis.
1208
01:05:05,901 --> 01:05:08,012
And when I picked that up
from the lab, they said to me,
1209
01:05:08,036 --> 01:05:09,972
"Do you work
in the cosmetic industry?"
1210
01:05:10,005 --> 01:05:12,016
And I was like... I was
completely in shock, and I said,
1211
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:13,384
"How do you know that?"
And they said,
1212
01:05:13,408 --> 01:05:15,386
"'Cause we see a lot of
these chemicals in cosmetics,
1213
01:05:15,410 --> 01:05:18,747
"and also people
that do hair."
1214
01:05:18,780 --> 01:05:21,517
So I started studying all this.
1215
01:05:21,550 --> 01:05:23,719
I got so involved in that,
people were saying,
1216
01:05:23,752 --> 01:05:25,830
"Oh my god, if you put this out,
you'll never work again
1217
01:05:25,854 --> 01:05:28,656
"in the industry."
But surprisingly enough,
1218
01:05:28,690 --> 01:05:30,826
it catapulted me
to a higher level,
1219
01:05:30,859 --> 01:05:34,096
because I was a makeup artist
who had something to say.
1220
01:05:34,129 --> 01:05:38,033
♪
1221
01:05:38,066 --> 01:05:41,602
♪
1222
01:05:41,636 --> 01:05:44,406
ALAN: It all started
17, 18 years ago,
1223
01:05:44,439 --> 01:05:46,008
back when my wife and I,
1224
01:05:46,041 --> 01:05:50,079
Karen, started
planning a family.
1225
01:05:50,112 --> 01:05:53,349
You always think about your
kids, your future kids.
1226
01:05:53,382 --> 01:05:55,751
And at that time,
Karen's a biochemist,
1227
01:05:55,784 --> 01:05:58,120
was actually working
in pesticides.
1228
01:05:58,153 --> 01:06:02,957
Myself, a microbiologist, I was
working in pharmaceuticals.
1229
01:06:02,991 --> 01:06:04,569
You know, sometimes,
it's a little bit of pesticides
1230
01:06:04,593 --> 01:06:05,970
that you're ingesting;
it's a little bit
1231
01:06:05,994 --> 01:06:08,697
of the chemical floor cleaner
that you're smelling.
1232
01:06:08,730 --> 01:06:10,541
It's a little bit of the cream
that you're putting on,
1233
01:06:10,565 --> 01:06:12,201
or that... you know,
an anti-perspirant
1234
01:06:12,234 --> 01:06:13,769
with chemical whatever,
you know?
1235
01:06:13,802 --> 01:06:15,442
I just thought,
"You know what, I got it."
1236
01:06:15,470 --> 01:06:18,774
So I quit, and I decided
to do this full time.
1237
01:06:20,842 --> 01:06:24,446
ALAN: Bonjour, bonjour.
[speaking French]
1238
01:06:24,479 --> 01:06:26,424
ALAN: I'm starting to feel
like it's turning around,
1239
01:06:26,448 --> 01:06:28,493
that it won't be long, actually
there'll be more people
1240
01:06:28,517 --> 01:06:33,221
using natural products than
there are using chemicals.
1241
01:06:33,255 --> 01:06:36,992
♪
1242
01:06:37,025 --> 01:06:39,728
ALAN: What I found out
was that these companies
1243
01:06:39,761 --> 01:06:41,964
that now were promoting,
and were being very proud
1244
01:06:41,997 --> 01:06:43,598
to tell you that
they care about you,
1245
01:06:43,632 --> 01:06:45,834
and that they weren't
using parabens anymore,
1246
01:06:45,867 --> 01:06:48,737
actually went back
to a preservative
1247
01:06:48,770 --> 01:06:50,839
that was actually very
popular back in like,
1248
01:06:50,872 --> 01:06:54,308
the 1950s, called formaldehyde.
1249
01:06:54,342 --> 01:06:56,745
So they're using formaldehyde,
1250
01:06:56,778 --> 01:06:59,848
but they weren't naming it
formaldehyde on the product.
1251
01:06:59,881 --> 01:07:02,183
Formaldehyde is a
fantastic preservative,
1252
01:07:02,217 --> 01:07:03,585
I mean, it kills
everything, right?
1253
01:07:03,618 --> 01:07:06,154
So companies develop
these slow-release
1254
01:07:06,188 --> 01:07:08,824
formulations of formaldehyde.
1255
01:07:08,857 --> 01:07:11,927
And as such, they were
able to give it a new name.
1256
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,263
♪
1257
01:07:14,296 --> 01:07:16,165
So they can change a name,
so they can dupe you
1258
01:07:16,198 --> 01:07:19,535
so that you won't know that it's
formaldehyde in the products.
1259
01:07:19,568 --> 01:07:22,204
And that kind of stuff does
happen; this is real life.
1260
01:07:22,237 --> 01:07:25,340
And it's still happening
today, unfortunately.
1261
01:07:25,373 --> 01:07:28,010
♪
1262
01:07:28,043 --> 01:07:30,112
SALESWOMAN: What kind of
stuff do you currently use?
1263
01:07:30,145 --> 01:07:33,015
MYMY: Okay, so,
I do the whole thing.
1264
01:07:33,048 --> 01:07:34,450
SALESWOMAN: Okay.
MYMY: I do...
1265
01:07:34,483 --> 01:07:36,552
I do the moisturizers;
I've got Neutrogena.
1266
01:07:36,585 --> 01:07:38,020
SALESWOMAN: Okay.
1267
01:07:38,053 --> 01:07:40,788
MYMY: Um, a primer,
face full coverage foundation.
1268
01:07:40,822 --> 01:07:42,057
SALESWOMAN: Okay.
1269
01:07:42,090 --> 01:07:44,059
MYMY: Any concealers;
like, a setting spray.
1270
01:07:44,092 --> 01:07:45,494
SALESWOMAN: Yeah.
1271
01:07:45,527 --> 01:07:47,963
MYMY: I use anything
on my eyes, face, lips.
1272
01:07:47,996 --> 01:07:50,966
SALESWOMAN: The works.
MYMY: Yeah.
1273
01:07:50,999 --> 01:07:52,901
MYMY: I found different
clean products
1274
01:07:52,934 --> 01:07:57,239
for every single
item that I had.
1275
01:07:57,272 --> 01:08:01,509
And then I put on
my clean products.
1276
01:08:01,543 --> 01:08:04,580
♪
1277
01:08:09,584 --> 01:08:11,854
MYMY: And then then do
another urine sample
1278
01:08:11,887 --> 01:08:15,757
with the clean products.
1279
01:08:15,790 --> 01:08:17,326
MYMY: [phone beeps]
Hey, it's Mymy.
1280
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:19,094
I wanted to give you the other
1281
01:08:19,127 --> 01:08:22,397
chemical body burden test kit.
1282
01:08:22,430 --> 01:08:26,068
I can find a way to drop
it off with you later.
1283
01:08:26,100 --> 01:08:29,403
Okay, bye, talk to you soon.
[phone beeps]
1284
01:08:29,437 --> 01:08:33,108
♪
1285
01:08:37,245 --> 01:08:39,348
REPORTER: Today we begin
with a possible health risk
1286
01:08:39,381 --> 01:08:43,018
involving one of the most
trusted products, baby powder.
1287
01:08:43,051 --> 01:08:44,795
REPORTER 2: Deane Berg
is one of the more than
1288
01:08:44,819 --> 01:08:47,689
20,000 women in the US
who are diagnosed
1289
01:08:47,721 --> 01:08:49,791
with ovarian cancer each year.
1290
01:08:49,823 --> 01:08:51,559
DR. CRAMER: Alan
tells me the story
1291
01:08:51,593 --> 01:08:53,394
that the lawyer
for the defence said,
1292
01:08:53,428 --> 01:08:54,906
"You've got about
a one in a million chance
1293
01:08:54,930 --> 01:08:56,131
"of winning this."
1294
01:08:56,163 --> 01:08:58,133
DEANE: One person versus
1295
01:08:58,166 --> 01:09:00,302
a humongous
pharmaceutical company.
1296
01:09:00,335 --> 01:09:03,404
REPORTER: They became the first
to file a talc lawsuit
1297
01:09:03,438 --> 01:09:06,642
against Johnson & Johnson,
and its talc supplier.
1298
01:09:06,675 --> 01:09:08,777
ALAN: It was truly
David versus Goliath.
1299
01:09:08,810 --> 01:09:11,880
They had 20 or 30 lawyers
on their side, and it was me.
1300
01:09:11,912 --> 01:09:14,750
DARREN: The science,
as the FDA sees it,
1301
01:09:14,783 --> 01:09:18,220
simply does not merit such
a warning at this time.
1302
01:09:18,252 --> 01:09:20,164
DR. NESS: And they just
keep coming back at us with,
1303
01:09:20,188 --> 01:09:22,491
oh my gosh, more and more
crack legal teams.
1304
01:09:22,524 --> 01:09:24,326
They are really swift.
1305
01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:25,928
REPORTER: The FDA
also did say, though,
1306
01:09:25,961 --> 01:09:28,497
the growing body of evidence
to support a possible
1307
01:09:28,529 --> 01:09:31,567
association between
genital talc exposure
1308
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:35,137
and serious ovarian cancer
is difficult to dismiss.
1309
01:09:35,170 --> 01:09:36,205
DARREN: God bless 'em.
1310
01:09:38,473 --> 01:09:40,309
DEANE: So it went to
court in September.
1311
01:09:40,341 --> 01:09:44,446
And that was probably one of
the hardest weeks I ever had.
1312
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,481
BART: The truth,
as we will show you
1313
01:09:46,514 --> 01:09:49,418
over the next three weeks or so,
1314
01:09:49,451 --> 01:09:51,819
is that Johnson's Baby Powder,
1315
01:09:51,853 --> 01:09:56,258
which has been sold to millions
of people around the world
1316
01:09:56,291 --> 01:10:00,295
for over 100 years,
are absolutely safe,
1317
01:10:00,328 --> 01:10:03,131
do not cause ovarian cancer.
1318
01:10:03,164 --> 01:10:06,034
There have been no studies
saying that it does.
1319
01:10:06,067 --> 01:10:08,770
DEANE: They put up
big poster boards
1320
01:10:08,803 --> 01:10:11,440
of women's internal organs.
1321
01:10:11,473 --> 01:10:14,643
And they talked about
sperm going up the vagina,
1322
01:10:14,676 --> 01:10:18,046
and then it was how talcum
powder couldn't do this,
1323
01:10:18,079 --> 01:10:20,983
because, you know, how could it
ever get up inside of a woman?
1324
01:10:23,385 --> 01:10:26,288
DR. CRAMER: I don't think women
need a lesson about the anatomy,
1325
01:10:26,321 --> 01:10:31,193
but just as sperm can track up,
and just as the egg, fertilized,
1326
01:10:31,226 --> 01:10:35,130
can track down, it's pretty
easy for a particle like talc
1327
01:10:35,163 --> 01:10:38,032
to track through
the genital area.
1328
01:10:38,066 --> 01:10:40,902
DEANE: And they had slides
of my ovarian tissue,
1329
01:10:40,935 --> 01:10:44,706
with purple spots where there
was talcum all through it.
1330
01:10:44,739 --> 01:10:48,643
Johnson & Johnson had doctors
that testified against me.
1331
01:10:48,677 --> 01:10:52,313
One doctor even laughed,
"She's lucky to be alive."
1332
01:10:52,347 --> 01:10:54,683
BART: You are in fact
going to learn in this case
1333
01:10:54,716 --> 01:10:57,386
that the hard science
studies actually show
1334
01:10:57,419 --> 01:11:01,490
that talc kills cancerous cells,
1335
01:11:01,523 --> 01:11:03,692
and leaves normal cells alone.
1336
01:11:03,725 --> 01:11:06,194
DEANE: Finally
the jury came back in,
1337
01:11:06,227 --> 01:11:08,205
and the Johnson & Johnson
lawyers are sitting there
1338
01:11:08,229 --> 01:11:10,565
smiling ear to ear with
their notebooks all open,
1339
01:11:10,598 --> 01:11:15,504
and they said, guilty.
1340
01:11:15,537 --> 01:11:18,774
The whole courtroom went silent.
1341
01:11:18,807 --> 01:11:22,376
And then they said, and reward
to the plaintiff, zero.
1342
01:11:22,410 --> 01:11:25,880
♪
1343
01:11:25,914 --> 01:11:28,250
DEANE: I've never heard of
a case where a person has been
1344
01:11:28,283 --> 01:11:31,053
found guilty in a civil lawsuit,
1345
01:11:31,086 --> 01:11:34,222
and then the plaintiff
gets awarded nothing.
1346
01:11:34,255 --> 01:11:36,367
There were some men on the jury
that I think didn't believe
1347
01:11:36,391 --> 01:11:38,602
a lot of it, and then the women
that were there on the jury
1348
01:11:38,626 --> 01:11:40,929
made a deal with them
to give a guilty plea,
1349
01:11:40,962 --> 01:11:43,131
but then no reward.
1350
01:11:43,164 --> 01:11:45,409
ALAN: Forget the money, because
it was never about the money
1351
01:11:45,433 --> 01:11:46,735
to Ms. Berg.
1352
01:11:46,768 --> 01:11:48,570
Otherwise, she would've
settled her case.
1353
01:11:48,603 --> 01:11:50,872
What was very important,
and what was the...
1354
01:11:50,905 --> 01:11:54,076
Of ultimate importance
to her was the public
1355
01:11:54,109 --> 01:11:58,880
seeing the verdict that
12 jurors unanimously said,
1356
01:11:58,913 --> 01:12:01,249
in her home state
of South Dakota,
1357
01:12:01,282 --> 01:12:03,160
that Johnson & Johnson
should have placed a warning
1358
01:12:03,184 --> 01:12:05,220
on their product
about ovarian cancer,
1359
01:12:05,253 --> 01:12:08,156
and that her genital use
of that product
1360
01:12:08,189 --> 01:12:10,258
contributed to cause
her ovarian cancer.
1361
01:12:10,291 --> 01:12:12,394
DR. NESS: I believe
that part of the reason
1362
01:12:12,427 --> 01:12:16,098
that Johnson & Johnson now
is fighting this so hard,
1363
01:12:16,131 --> 01:12:20,402
is there are thousands of
women around the country
1364
01:12:20,435 --> 01:12:23,305
who have joined
in class action suits,
1365
01:12:23,338 --> 01:12:24,840
both here and in Canada.
1366
01:12:24,873 --> 01:12:27,808
I still remember my first case.
1367
01:12:27,842 --> 01:12:30,144
Her last name was Fox.
1368
01:12:51,366 --> 01:12:55,437
DR. NESS: She actually died
fairly shortly before the trial.
1369
01:12:55,470 --> 01:12:59,374
♪
1370
01:12:59,407 --> 01:13:01,009
JACKIE: That's a big girl,
1371
01:13:01,042 --> 01:13:02,344
are you a big girl?
GIRL: Yeah.
1372
01:13:02,377 --> 01:13:03,845
JACKIE: You wanna
teach me how?
1373
01:13:03,878 --> 01:13:05,514
GIRL: Yeah.
JACKIE: Alright!
1374
01:13:05,547 --> 01:13:06,815
You're gonna make it.
1375
01:13:06,848 --> 01:13:09,351
MAN: You counting?
JACKIE: [laughs]
1376
01:13:29,003 --> 01:13:30,247
REPORTER: In
a landmark decision,
1377
01:13:30,271 --> 01:13:32,706
a St. Louis jury ruled
that Johnson & Johnson
1378
01:13:32,740 --> 01:13:35,143
must pay $72 million,
1379
01:13:35,176 --> 01:13:38,146
including 62 million
in punitive damages
1380
01:13:38,179 --> 01:13:40,148
to the family of
an Alabama woman
1381
01:13:40,181 --> 01:13:42,517
who died from ovarian cancer.
1382
01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:44,319
MARVIN: Her whole fight
1383
01:13:44,352 --> 01:13:48,389
was for... not just for her.
1384
01:13:48,423 --> 01:13:51,893
But so many other women.
1385
01:13:51,926 --> 01:13:54,129
♪
1386
01:13:57,565 --> 01:13:59,901
JOEL: Verdicts started to
come out of the United States.
1387
01:13:59,934 --> 01:14:04,206
There was a $72-million verdict
against Johnson & Johnson
1388
01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:08,442
in relation to a woman who
had developed ovarian cancer.
1389
01:14:08,476 --> 01:14:11,179
We'd been approached
by victims, women,
1390
01:14:11,212 --> 01:14:13,682
who used Johnson & Johnson
Baby Powder
1391
01:14:13,715 --> 01:14:16,051
over a long period of time.
1392
01:14:16,084 --> 01:14:20,054
And these women had
developed ovarian cancer.
1393
01:14:20,088 --> 01:14:23,692
JOEL: I know it takes a lot
of courage to come forward,
1394
01:14:23,725 --> 01:14:26,628
and kind of talk about
what's happened to you.
1395
01:14:26,661 --> 01:14:30,532
And so we really appreciate you
being here, and sharing this.
1396
01:14:30,565 --> 01:14:32,968
CAROL ANN: As you said, Deane,
it's embarrassing
1397
01:14:33,001 --> 01:14:35,770
to tell your story sometimes.
1398
01:14:35,803 --> 01:14:39,107
And one, for judgement
of others, and two,
1399
01:14:39,140 --> 01:14:42,811
because you think, oh no, I did
something wrong to myself.
1400
01:14:42,844 --> 01:14:45,447
I don't want any more people
1401
01:14:45,480 --> 01:14:48,884
to have to go through what
we've just talked about.
1402
01:14:48,917 --> 01:14:50,819
I don't want anybody
to have the option
1403
01:14:50,852 --> 01:14:54,122
to buy that on the shelf today.
1404
01:14:54,155 --> 01:14:58,160
♪
1405
01:15:03,164 --> 01:15:04,432
JOEL: Hello, Shaeda.
SHAEDA: Hi.
1406
01:15:04,465 --> 01:15:05,834
JOEL: Hi, welcome.
Good to see you.
1407
01:15:05,867 --> 01:15:08,570
SHAEDA: Thank you.
JOEL: Please grab a seat.
1408
01:15:08,603 --> 01:15:12,641
♪
1409
01:15:12,674 --> 01:15:15,510
JOEL: But here we have
this situation where
1410
01:15:15,543 --> 01:15:19,147
had J&J simply
warned of this risk,
1411
01:15:19,180 --> 01:15:23,118
none of these people potentially
would've had ovarian cancer.
1412
01:15:23,151 --> 01:15:24,686
DEANE: Stand strong.
1413
01:15:24,719 --> 01:15:29,291
You know, just look 'em face
to face, and don't shed a tear.
1414
01:15:29,324 --> 01:15:33,027
And they will try to
make you look weak,
1415
01:15:33,061 --> 01:15:35,297
that you're just complaining,
1416
01:15:35,330 --> 01:15:38,166
that this really wasn't
as bad as it appeared to be,
1417
01:15:38,199 --> 01:15:42,370
and if we stand together
as women, we can do this.
1418
01:15:42,403 --> 01:15:45,473
[inaudible conversation]
1419
01:15:45,506 --> 01:15:49,511
♪
1420
01:15:49,544 --> 01:15:51,488
CAROL ANN: Nice meeting you.
DEANE: Nice meeting you, too.
1421
01:15:51,512 --> 01:15:53,048
Thank you for your story.
1422
01:15:53,081 --> 01:15:54,892
CAROL ANN: Oh, thank you
for all of your support,
1423
01:15:54,916 --> 01:15:56,818
and being the pioneer.
1424
01:15:56,851 --> 01:15:58,729
DEANE: Oh, you're welcome.
WOMAN: So nice to meet you.
1425
01:15:58,753 --> 01:16:00,188
Thank you so much for coming.
1426
01:16:00,221 --> 01:16:04,526
DEANE: I feel good as a women,
as a whistleblower.
1427
01:16:04,559 --> 01:16:06,361
I opened this up to the public
1428
01:16:06,394 --> 01:16:08,830
to try to help prevent
other women from getting
1429
01:16:08,863 --> 01:16:11,199
ovarian cancer and
suffering the way I did,
1430
01:16:11,232 --> 01:16:12,667
and other women have.
1431
01:16:12,700 --> 01:16:15,303
I know I didn't get
any money for it,
1432
01:16:15,336 --> 01:16:17,839
but as I said to my husband,
I have my life.
1433
01:16:17,872 --> 01:16:21,910
I'm still alive 11 years later,
after having ovarian cancer,
1434
01:16:21,943 --> 01:16:26,047
and no money can be
awarded for that.
1435
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:29,751
♪
1436
01:16:31,753 --> 01:16:34,188
DR. CRAMER: This is
not a healthful habit.
1437
01:16:34,222 --> 01:16:35,690
It is a harmful one,
1438
01:16:35,723 --> 01:16:38,560
and you should not
use these products.
1439
01:16:38,593 --> 01:16:40,595
It will get into
the pelvic cavity,
1440
01:16:40,628 --> 01:16:42,864
it may cause problems,
1441
01:16:42,897 --> 01:16:46,067
and in some cases it will
cause ovarian cancer.
1442
01:16:46,100 --> 01:16:50,038
JOEL: Historically, men run
these large corporations.
1443
01:16:50,071 --> 01:16:53,742
And here we are promoting
you know, as men,
1444
01:16:53,775 --> 01:16:56,945
this product to women, to use,
1445
01:16:56,978 --> 01:17:00,715
and for families to use.
1446
01:17:00,748 --> 01:17:04,553
♪
1447
01:17:08,056 --> 01:17:10,290
ALEX: Now, as chairman
and CEO of this company,
1448
01:17:10,324 --> 01:17:13,794
I take this personally,
and very seriously.
1449
01:17:13,828 --> 01:17:16,097
And I know that
many of you do too.
1450
01:17:16,130 --> 01:17:19,234
Now, I want to repeat,
reiterate, and reinforce.
1451
01:17:19,267 --> 01:17:23,237
J&J's Baby Powder is safe,
and does not cause cancer.
1452
01:17:23,271 --> 01:17:25,440
Studies of tens of
thousands of women,
1453
01:17:25,473 --> 01:17:27,275
and thousands of men show
1454
01:17:27,308 --> 01:17:29,210
that talc does not cause cancer,
1455
01:17:29,243 --> 01:17:31,279
or asbestos-related disease.
1456
01:17:31,312 --> 01:17:34,749
J&J's Baby Powder has
never contained asbestos.
1457
01:17:34,782 --> 01:17:36,618
Regulators have tested both,
1458
01:17:36,651 --> 01:17:39,187
and they have always found
our talc to be asbestos-free.
1459
01:17:42,957 --> 01:17:44,092
Now, at the end of the day,
1460
01:17:44,125 --> 01:17:47,095
this is about
truth and integrity.
1461
01:17:47,128 --> 01:17:50,130
We are confident in the safety
of Johnson's Baby Powder,
1462
01:17:50,164 --> 01:17:52,767
and we stand behind
our products.
1463
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,170
ALAN: They are
putting blinders on
1464
01:17:55,203 --> 01:17:59,240
to all the devastation and
disease that they're causing,
1465
01:17:59,273 --> 01:18:01,943
for the benefit of protecting
a corporate image
1466
01:18:01,976 --> 01:18:03,644
of a mother and baby,
and a product
1467
01:18:03,678 --> 01:18:05,480
that started the company.
1468
01:18:05,513 --> 01:18:08,083
And to me, that is
the ultimate sin.
1469
01:18:08,116 --> 01:18:10,318
DR. NESS: How many more
women will be impacted?
1470
01:18:10,351 --> 01:18:14,589
Well, millions.
1471
01:18:14,622 --> 01:18:17,859
While this drags on
for ten years, more.
1472
01:18:17,892 --> 01:18:20,260
And J&J will keep it
in the courts
1473
01:18:20,294 --> 01:18:23,298
as long as they possibly can.
1474
01:18:23,331 --> 01:18:28,070
♪
1475
01:18:43,084 --> 01:18:44,719
MEL: A few months ago,
my doctor said
1476
01:18:44,752 --> 01:18:49,057
I had no more than six months.
1477
01:18:49,090 --> 01:18:53,862
I was told in
around March or April.
1478
01:18:53,895 --> 01:18:55,731
And here we are, July.
1479
01:19:00,368 --> 01:19:03,204
I have such a love for children,
1480
01:19:03,237 --> 01:19:07,909
I wonder if...
1481
01:19:07,942 --> 01:19:11,113
this was the reason why
I couldn't have any, as well.
1482
01:19:14,081 --> 01:19:16,417
My nephew, Aidan,
1483
01:19:16,450 --> 01:19:19,354
he's the love of my life.
1484
01:19:19,387 --> 01:19:23,090
I would have liked to see
him grow up a little more.
1485
01:19:23,124 --> 01:19:27,228
The thing that hit me
very profoundly was that
1486
01:19:27,261 --> 01:19:29,764
I started having days
recently where the only thing
1487
01:19:29,797 --> 01:19:33,901
I was looking forward to is
taking a strong sleeping pill,
1488
01:19:33,935 --> 01:19:36,938
and just sleeping at night,
because that would be
1489
01:19:36,971 --> 01:19:40,441
the only time
that I'm not hurting,
1490
01:19:40,474 --> 01:19:45,180
and not in pain,
so what's the purpose of...
1491
01:19:45,213 --> 01:19:47,447
living if all you're
looking forward to is
1492
01:19:47,481 --> 01:19:52,219
going to sleep in the evening?
1493
01:19:52,253 --> 01:19:54,389
What's the point
1494
01:19:54,422 --> 01:19:57,625
if you're not able to...
1495
01:19:57,658 --> 01:20:00,929
function, not able to serve,
1496
01:20:00,962 --> 01:20:03,398
not able to...
1497
01:20:03,431 --> 01:20:06,300
do anything?
1498
01:20:08,803 --> 01:20:11,039
I live on faith.
1499
01:20:11,072 --> 01:20:14,042
The name of my street is Faith.
1500
01:20:14,075 --> 01:20:17,979
♪
1501
01:20:33,995 --> 01:20:37,165
RACHEL: We have to remember
that children born today
1502
01:20:37,198 --> 01:20:40,602
are exposed to these
chemicals from birth,
1503
01:20:40,635 --> 01:20:42,971
perhaps even before birth.
1504
01:20:43,004 --> 01:20:46,474
Now, what is going to happen
to them in adult life
1505
01:20:46,507 --> 01:20:49,277
as a result of that exposure?
1506
01:20:49,310 --> 01:20:52,814
We simply don't know.
1507
01:20:52,847 --> 01:20:55,750
Unless we do bring these
chemicals under better control,
1508
01:20:55,783 --> 01:20:58,987
we are certainly
headed for disaster.
1509
01:21:10,531 --> 01:21:11,799
DR. DODSON: Hey!
MYMY: Hi!
1510
01:21:11,832 --> 01:21:13,443
DR. DODSON: Come on in!
MYMY: Hi, how are you?
1511
01:21:13,467 --> 01:21:14,811
DR. DODSON: It's
so good to see you!
1512
01:21:14,835 --> 01:21:16,104
MYMY: Yes,
very good to see you.
1513
01:21:16,137 --> 01:21:17,605
DR. DODSON: Thanks
for coming again.
1514
01:21:17,638 --> 01:21:19,283
So, how are you doing?
MYMY: I'm good, I'm good.
1515
01:21:19,307 --> 01:21:20,441
DR. DODSON: Yeah?
1516
01:21:20,474 --> 01:21:22,877
MYMY: Yeah, it's
been a good summer.
1517
01:21:22,910 --> 01:21:24,379
DR. DODSON: Good.
You've been busy?
1518
01:21:24,412 --> 01:21:26,614
MYMY: Yeah, but I've
gotta go back to school.
1519
01:21:26,647 --> 01:21:27,715
DR. DODSON: Yeah.
1520
01:21:27,748 --> 01:21:28,859
MYMY: I was just
looking at this.
1521
01:21:28,883 --> 01:21:30,617
Who's Rachel Carson?
1522
01:21:30,651 --> 01:21:32,987
DR. DODSON: Rachel Carson
was really one of the first
1523
01:21:33,020 --> 01:21:35,490
female environmentalists.
1524
01:21:35,523 --> 01:21:38,793
♪
1525
01:21:38,826 --> 01:21:41,362
DR. DODSON: She wrote this book,
in 1962 it came out,
1526
01:21:41,395 --> 01:21:45,333
called "Silent Spring."
1527
01:21:45,366 --> 01:21:47,468
And that's how we're named.
1528
01:21:47,501 --> 01:21:50,305
She was really calling
attention to the impact
1529
01:21:50,338 --> 01:21:53,041
of chemicals particularly
on the ecosystems.
1530
01:21:53,074 --> 01:21:55,052
But as part of that she was
testifying before Congress.
1531
01:21:55,076 --> 01:21:57,578
RACHEL: That's an indication
1532
01:21:57,611 --> 01:22:00,848
to warn the consumer
1533
01:22:00,881 --> 01:22:04,886
that he is buying and using
a very hazardous substance.
1534
01:22:04,919 --> 01:22:09,057
So many people write to me,
and so many people telephone me,
1535
01:22:09,090 --> 01:22:12,360
and say, "Well, I had no idea
that this stuff that I was using
1536
01:22:12,393 --> 01:22:14,762
"was dangerous in any way."
1537
01:22:14,795 --> 01:22:16,340
DR. DODSON: At the time
she was testifying,
1538
01:22:16,364 --> 01:22:19,701
she was actually
battling breast cancer.
1539
01:22:19,734 --> 01:22:22,870
And so here's a woman
who actually was
1540
01:22:22,903 --> 01:22:25,039
affected by breast cancer,
and an environmentalist.
1541
01:22:25,072 --> 01:22:27,008
And so that's why we're
named in her honour.
1542
01:22:27,041 --> 01:22:28,409
MYMY: Amazing.
DR. DODSON: Yeah.
1543
01:22:28,442 --> 01:22:29,577
She's an inspiration.
1544
01:22:29,610 --> 01:22:31,612
[laughs]
1545
01:22:31,645 --> 01:22:34,015
Yeah, so we have your results.
1546
01:22:34,048 --> 01:22:35,592
You know, I think
this is a great opportunity
1547
01:22:35,616 --> 01:22:37,085
to kind of walk through them,
1548
01:22:37,118 --> 01:22:38,386
ask any questions.
MYMY: Okay.
1549
01:22:38,419 --> 01:22:39,763
DR. DODSON: We have
the Day One morning,
1550
01:22:39,787 --> 01:22:41,422
Day One evening,
1551
01:22:41,455 --> 01:22:43,891
so that's your first day
of regular product use.
1552
01:22:43,924 --> 01:22:47,028
Then we have Day Two morning,
and Day Two evening;
1553
01:22:47,061 --> 01:22:48,763
that's the alternative
product use.
1554
01:22:48,796 --> 01:22:51,366
So you can see here, right,
if this is the 95 percentile
1555
01:22:51,399 --> 01:22:53,634
of most... of the national level,
1556
01:22:53,667 --> 01:22:56,471
you are above the 95th percent.
1557
01:23:00,474 --> 01:23:02,543
So you have higher levels
than most Americans
1558
01:23:02,576 --> 01:23:07,081
in at least three
of your samples here.
1559
01:23:07,114 --> 01:23:09,416
Your samples, actually, all four
of them had higher levels
1560
01:23:09,450 --> 01:23:11,486
of MEP, which
is a mono-ethyl phthalate,
1561
01:23:11,519 --> 01:23:13,263
which is one of the phthalates
that's typically used
1562
01:23:13,287 --> 01:23:15,223
in personal care products.
1563
01:23:15,256 --> 01:23:17,267
Now, these are... and I'm
gonna just show you kind of
1564
01:23:17,291 --> 01:23:18,793
the phthalates
that we looked at.
1565
01:23:18,826 --> 01:23:21,004
So you can see the skewness,
how quickly you can jump up.
1566
01:23:21,028 --> 01:23:23,731
You go from the morning
sample, to boom,
1567
01:23:23,764 --> 01:23:25,133
to the evening sample.
MYMY: Yeah.
1568
01:23:27,535 --> 01:23:30,471
MYMY: This was me
putting on normally
1569
01:23:30,504 --> 01:23:33,974
what I would put on to go out.
1570
01:23:34,008 --> 01:23:36,844
♪
1571
01:23:36,877 --> 01:23:38,288
DR. DODSON: There was
another day, right,
1572
01:23:38,312 --> 01:23:40,424
where you avoided parabens
and phthalates for a couple days
1573
01:23:40,448 --> 01:23:42,750
but then kind of used
different products,
1574
01:23:42,783 --> 01:23:45,286
or alternative products, right?
It's not as much so.
1575
01:23:45,319 --> 01:23:47,155
Right, in fact,
the levels kind of go down.
1576
01:23:47,188 --> 01:23:48,932
I think it's probably
just almost like noise;
1577
01:23:48,956 --> 01:23:50,367
these are probably
kind of equivalent.
1578
01:23:50,391 --> 01:23:51,526
MYMY: Yeah, this is good,
1579
01:23:51,559 --> 01:23:53,861
because this is
the alternative products.
1580
01:23:53,894 --> 01:23:55,763
All the clean
products are clean.
1581
01:23:55,796 --> 01:23:57,465
DR. DODSON: So you
were able to find them.
1582
01:23:57,498 --> 01:23:58,909
MYMY: Yeah.
DR. DODSON: Yeah, to be clean.
1583
01:23:58,933 --> 01:24:01,502
That's great.
That's good news.
1584
01:24:01,535 --> 01:24:03,871
MYMY: My MEP levels were higher
1585
01:24:03,904 --> 01:24:06,808
than 95% of Americans, though.
1586
01:24:06,841 --> 01:24:10,511
Which is scary to me because
I don't know what that means
1587
01:24:10,544 --> 01:24:13,714
for my body; I don't know
if it's already done damage.
1588
01:24:13,747 --> 01:24:16,017
I don't know if I could
reverse this damage.
1589
01:24:16,050 --> 01:24:17,785
Where do I go from here?
1590
01:24:17,818 --> 01:24:21,289
Fertility is my concern,
cancer is my concern.
1591
01:24:21,322 --> 01:24:24,058
♪
1592
01:24:24,091 --> 01:24:27,896
MTMT: I mean, it scares me.
1593
01:24:33,901 --> 01:24:35,579
WOMAN: Well, it's nearly
time for your next class,
1594
01:24:35,603 --> 01:24:37,338
so I must stop talking,
1595
01:24:37,371 --> 01:24:39,474
but there's one more thing
that I'd like to say.
1596
01:24:39,507 --> 01:24:42,910
You will be prettier,
you will be more popular.
1597
01:24:42,943 --> 01:24:45,546
Good grooming will pay dividends
to each and every one of you.
1598
01:24:45,579 --> 01:24:49,049
[applause]
1599
01:24:49,083 --> 01:24:52,887
♪
1600
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:56,691
DR. ZOTA: Let's try to
change these beauty norms,
1601
01:24:56,724 --> 01:25:00,194
so that women don't have to
choose between their health,
1602
01:25:00,227 --> 01:25:03,364
and trying to look beautiful
1603
01:25:03,397 --> 01:25:06,667
according to these
arbitrary standards.
1604
01:25:06,700 --> 01:25:10,338
♪
1605
01:25:10,371 --> 01:25:15,376
[crowd chattering]
1606
01:25:15,409 --> 01:25:18,713
MYMY: This whole experiment,
the prospects of it,
1607
01:25:18,746 --> 01:25:21,349
I think it will definitely
cascade into something
1608
01:25:21,382 --> 01:25:23,584
a lot larger than
just one person doing
1609
01:25:23,617 --> 01:25:26,287
a chemical body burden.
1610
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:29,123
[indistinct speaker]
1611
01:25:29,156 --> 01:25:32,693
MYMY: Maybe by me speaking out,
there will be a change.
1612
01:25:32,726 --> 01:25:37,231
ANNOUNCER: Michael No...
Mymy Nguyen...
1613
01:25:37,264 --> 01:25:39,967
Filomena Ouanze[?]...
1614
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:45,039
Abagail Olson...
Ardeep Pulani.
1615
01:25:45,072 --> 01:25:47,575
MYMY: The current idea
of beauty is socialized.
1616
01:25:47,608 --> 01:25:51,045
[crowd applause]
1617
01:25:51,078 --> 01:25:54,282
MYMY: And I don't want people to
feel a lack of self-confidence,
1618
01:25:54,315 --> 01:25:56,817
or lower self esteem
just because
1619
01:25:56,850 --> 01:26:00,288
they don't look like
someone they see on TV.
1620
01:26:00,321 --> 01:26:03,758
♪
1621
01:26:03,791 --> 01:26:05,993
[laughter]
1622
01:26:06,026 --> 01:26:07,771
MYMY: I don't think
it's wrong to dye your hair
1623
01:26:07,795 --> 01:26:09,564
and feel beautiful.
1624
01:26:09,597 --> 01:26:11,499
It's not wrong that
people use makeup.
1625
01:26:11,532 --> 01:26:14,635
They just need a safer
alternative to makeup.
1626
01:26:14,668 --> 01:26:17,004
♪
1627
01:26:17,037 --> 01:26:19,006
MYMY: We're gonna
take pictures outside.
1628
01:26:19,039 --> 01:26:22,175
Alright!
[laughs]
1629
01:26:22,209 --> 01:26:24,144
Oh my... oh my god!
1630
01:26:24,178 --> 01:26:27,848
MYMY: I should be confident
knowing that I look this way,
1631
01:26:27,881 --> 01:26:29,417
but I'm not harming myself.
1632
01:26:29,450 --> 01:26:31,117
DAD: Three, two...
1633
01:26:31,151 --> 01:26:32,787
MYMY: No!
[laughs]
1634
01:26:32,820 --> 01:26:35,089
DAD: Oh, that's a nice one,
that's a good one!
1635
01:26:35,122 --> 01:26:37,158
MYMY: Sorry.
1636
01:26:37,191 --> 01:26:41,495
It's like, um...
1637
01:26:41,528 --> 01:26:44,432
[sighs]
1638
01:26:44,465 --> 01:26:46,634
Through this
journey of mine too,
1639
01:26:46,667 --> 01:26:50,504
I never felt 100% happy
with who I was,
1640
01:26:50,537 --> 01:26:54,141
and I think that is because
I was so distracted
1641
01:26:54,174 --> 01:26:55,676
with how I look,
and I was just like,
1642
01:26:55,709 --> 01:26:58,846
worried about what people
said about me, or like,
1643
01:26:58,879 --> 01:27:02,016
what my image was like.
1644
01:27:02,049 --> 01:27:04,518
♪
1645
01:27:04,551 --> 01:27:07,288
MYMY: Find beauty in
what makes you stronger.
1646
01:27:07,321 --> 01:27:11,959
Find beauty in what you
worked really hard for.
1647
01:27:11,992 --> 01:27:15,796
I'm a hard-working woman,
I can be influential,
1648
01:27:15,829 --> 01:27:18,065
and this doesn't have anything
to do with how I look.
1649
01:27:18,098 --> 01:27:21,568
And if we could spark
the conversation,
1650
01:27:21,602 --> 01:27:23,070
spark the revolution
1651
01:27:23,103 --> 01:27:27,575
against these toxins...
1652
01:27:27,608 --> 01:27:30,678
just taking back the power that
we should be having already.
1653
01:27:30,711 --> 01:27:35,083
♪
1654
01:28:06,780 --> 01:28:11,451
♪
1655
01:28:32,473 --> 01:28:33,917
MR. KRISHNAMOORTHI: Today
marks our subcommittee's
1656
01:28:33,941 --> 01:28:35,376
first hearing.
1657
01:28:35,409 --> 01:28:37,478
Today our focus is on
a group of widely used
1658
01:28:37,511 --> 01:28:39,580
personal care consumer products
1659
01:28:39,613 --> 01:28:43,651
that contain potentially
carcinogenic products.
1660
01:28:43,684 --> 01:28:48,622
Please rise; I will
begin by swearing you in.
1661
01:28:48,655 --> 01:28:52,727
SCOTT: Since 2009, cosmetics
manufacturers themselves
1662
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,796
have reported using 88 chemicals
1663
01:28:55,829 --> 01:28:58,833
linked to cancer, birth defects,
1664
01:28:58,866 --> 01:29:02,436
or reproductive harm
in both men and women.
1665
01:29:02,469 --> 01:29:03,847
MR. GROTHMAN: In both
of your opinion,
1666
01:29:03,871 --> 01:29:05,806
is there any doubt in your mind
1667
01:29:05,839 --> 01:29:07,074
that the product that was sold
1668
01:29:07,107 --> 01:29:10,177
by Johnson & Johnson has
a connection to cancer?
1669
01:29:10,210 --> 01:29:11,278
DR. MCTIERNAN: I believe
1670
01:29:11,311 --> 01:29:13,313
that talcum powder products
1671
01:29:13,347 --> 01:29:15,916
do cause ovarian cancer.
1672
01:29:15,949 --> 01:29:18,184
MR. GROTHMAN: Would
common sense tell you that
1673
01:29:18,218 --> 01:29:20,254
when you're putting
something on your skin
1674
01:29:20,287 --> 01:29:22,523
that there's the potential
over time to have
1675
01:29:22,556 --> 01:29:24,125
something bad happen?
1676
01:29:24,158 --> 01:29:25,993
SCOTT: Most consumers assume
1677
01:29:26,026 --> 01:29:28,028
that FDA has actually reviewed
1678
01:29:28,061 --> 01:29:29,764
these products for safety
1679
01:29:29,797 --> 01:29:31,477
before we put them on
our bodies every day.
1680
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:36,670
At least 2,000
products contain talc
1681
01:29:36,703 --> 01:29:39,473
that are available
for sale today,
1682
01:29:39,506 --> 01:29:41,876
of which more than
1,000 are loose powders,
1683
01:29:41,909 --> 01:29:43,277
or pressed powders,
1684
01:29:43,310 --> 01:29:45,379
that it only takes one fibre
1685
01:29:45,412 --> 01:29:47,348
lodged in the lung to contribute
1686
01:29:47,381 --> 01:29:51,051
to mesothelioma decades later.
1687
01:29:51,084 --> 01:29:53,196
MS. PRESSLEY: But I just don't
know how the consumers can have
1688
01:29:53,220 --> 01:29:56,123
any true trust and faith
here that they are safe
1689
01:29:56,156 --> 01:29:57,625
in the consumption
of these products.
1690
01:29:57,658 --> 01:29:59,059
SCOTT: I wouldn't
wait another day
1691
01:29:59,092 --> 01:30:00,361
to require a warning
1692
01:30:00,394 --> 01:30:02,630
on all these products.
1693
01:30:02,663 --> 01:30:04,307
MS. TLAIB: Corporate greed
is a type of cancer
1694
01:30:04,331 --> 01:30:05,533
in our democracy right now.
1695
01:30:05,566 --> 01:30:07,735
I can't wait for this
legislation to pass,
1696
01:30:07,768 --> 01:30:09,336
for people to stop dying.
1697
01:30:09,369 --> 01:30:10,538
Thank you so much.132056
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