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All right, guys.
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We do have 94 bodies going to Otero
as IRI candidates.
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They're coming in this morning.
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We are gonna get
a pregnant female coming in
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on a flight from Denver,
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and she'll be removed tomorrow via PDN
to the Mexican consulate.
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Just be safe out there, the bridge.
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- All right, let's have a good shift, guys.
- One, two, three, processing!
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- Morning, guys.
- Morning.
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Gentlemen, take a seat, please!
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- You are all Mexicans?
- Yes!
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Most of you here
will be deported this morning.
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Oh. Keep moving!
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Thanks for behaving yourselves.
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Remember we are here
to receive you 24 hours a day
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- whenever you would like to return.
- Thank you.
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But do it legally, please.
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Try to do it the right way.
That's always the best way.
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That way you don't have to keep on
looking behind your back.
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I was here for 17 years.
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My parents brought me here
when I was three years old.
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I got stopped in Maryland,
simple traffic stop.
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They called Immigration on me,
and I didn't have my legal paperwork,
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and I got deported after...
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growing up in the United States
and never getting in trouble once.
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I don't make the rules.
I just enforce them and...
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You went through the process and...
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I just think it's funny
'cause you said,
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"People do it the right way,
you can come in."
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- Right.
- Right?
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So what was my wrongdoing in that?
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- There was no wrong.
- Right.
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You're a victim of your parents...
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trying to do good,
and it didn't come out good.
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I lived in Mexico for five years.
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I got deported in 2014, but...
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That's when you could've gone
and asked for a pardon on the removal.
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They told me I had to wait ten years
to ask for a pardon.
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So, you did know that you had an option.
You already waited five years.
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Could you stay away from your family
for ten years?
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You waited five years.
You could've waited five more.
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- There was light at the end of the tunnel.
- Answer my question. Could you?
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I've never been in that situation.
I couldn't tell you whether yes or no.
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All right. I'd like to see you
in my shoes right now.
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You ever felt sorry for someone
who you walked across the bridge?
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Honestly, I can't say that. No. No.
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Never?
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Nope.
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On the contrary, it gets me
to trying to understand why they do it.
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I still haven't been able
to have somebody tell me
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the logical reason
why they did it the illegal way,
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knowingly knowing
that there's a legal way to do it.
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- Good luck, gentlemen.
- See you again soon.
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Good luck.
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Try to do it the right way.
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- All right, man.
- Stay safe.
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Stay safe, brother.
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What they should be clear about is
what they mean by doing it the right way.
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There's the lawful way...
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and then there's this...
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I don't even know how to describe it.
This... undescribable phrase
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of doing it the right way.
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Whatever the hell that means.
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Because anyone who understands asylum law
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knows that when people present themselves
at the port of entry
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and request asylum...
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that is doing it the lawful way.
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Now it may not be the right way
in this White House's view,
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but I'd like to know
what the hell they mean
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by "doing it the right way,"
because it's the lawful way.
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When Border Patrol apprehends
somebody, that's when they process 'em.
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Uh, it's probably full in there.
So that's why they have this set up...
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for the overflows.
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Trying to catch up with the numbers
of people coming in.
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I'd be willing to bet most
of them are seeking asylum.
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So you got...
On one hand, you got people coming in.
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On the other hand,
you have some going back.
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Um, it's a... it's a circle.
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I wouldn't consider it a circle of life,
but it's a circle.
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The El Paso processing center here
has a bed space capability of 840.
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We're right around 840 every day.
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Bed space is...
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first thing in the morning when I come in,
that's what I'm looking at.
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Last thing I look at night
when I go to sleep is bed space,
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and sometimes in my dreams in between,
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it's bed space.
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Everybody's at capacity.
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Every night here, the plan is:
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Is there a bed that we can put 'em in?
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My last tour of duty, if you will,
at the department Homeland Security
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was serving as the Deputy Chief of Staff
for ICE.
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It provided me a 50,000-foot view
of ICE operations.
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And I was dealing
with detention facilities.
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It's a civil administrative system.
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And the only reason
we're supposed to detain people
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is for the sole purposes of ensuring
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that they are able
to see their proceedings through,
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and then we, as a government, are able
to remove them to their home country.
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As you can see,
the paths are clearly lined here
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for persons that are coming out
of court right now.
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It makes it easier for... for the officers
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at every point
to see where the detainees are headed.
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I mean, it's pretty much to keep order.
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This is very different than prison.
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Our detainees here
have extended rec time.
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It's an open facility
where they're not in a cell,
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you know, 24 hours a day,
seven days of the week.
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Not only that,
but there's no sentences here.
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This is the medical housing unit here.
This is where we keep
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some of our more delicate cases
in here as well.
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Right now, we do have
several hunger strikers in here.
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They've been on hunger strike
for a few days now,
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and we wanna make sure
that we keep an eye on them.
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We don't want them to die in custody.
Bottom line.
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So, at some point, we have to request
a court order to force-feed.
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Usually, it's a protest on their case.
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They wanna stay in the US,
or they wanna be released,
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or they want their case expedited.
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Most is, "I want to be released,"
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and in many of those cases,
there is no relief.
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So, it creates this issue of,
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"Well, if you're not gonna release me,
then I'm gonna harm myself by not eating."
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So...
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They're here for as long
as we can try to effect a removal.
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So they have... It's not like...
a jail inmate that's in here,
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sentenced to a certain time.
They know the day they get out.
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They have no idea
when they're gonna leave, and I know...
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I mean, if I was in their place,
it would be very difficult
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to not know when I'm leaving.
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You know, people see it sometimes
as a punishment.
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We don't punish.
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So, it's...
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I know it's viewed that way,
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but we aren't gonna hold somebody
to punish them.
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Go on in.
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Go on, right here in this room.
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- How's your day so far?
- Well, fine.
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Thank God. Did you eat yet today?
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I almost couldn't eat lunch today
because of the smell of the food.
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Huh?
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I felt sad because when we arrived,
we saw two buses entering.
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- Yes.
- I saw the people on the bus.
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More and more arriving.
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The detention center is full.
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They enter and enter and enter
but don't leave.
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They don't leave.
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The other day, the girl said, "Mom",
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tell the lawyer to get you out
before Mother's Day.
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"I want to be with you, Mom."
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You will leave. You will leave.
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Let's pray. Let's pray.
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Berta, my client,
she's a 63-year-old grandmother
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who legally entered the United States.
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She entered with her granddaughter
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and asked for asylum.
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So they get interviewed
subsequent to that.
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The passed a credible fear.
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Eventually, the little girl gets reunited
with mom in Houston, Texas,
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and then grandma is detained.
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And I hope
they take me out of here, Lord.
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I cannot be here anymore.
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And my friends who are locked up with me,
please help us to leave quickly.
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Thank you, Lord. Amen.
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Take care of yourself. Eat.
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I'll see you, yeah?
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God bless you.
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Give me a big hug.
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Oh!
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I've been coming
every Wednesday to see her.
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Just like two grandmas would,
we connect with each other.
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I just can't imagine
having my granddaughter,
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who grew up with me for 14 years,
like she was telling me...
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They got to the border,
and all of a sudden, whammo!
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They just separated them.
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I know she wanted to die.
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Her granddaughter's back with her mom
in Houston.
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I have been
with my grandmother since I was a newborn.
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I have spent my entire childhood
with my grandmother.
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She's my mother.
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In the neighborhood where I lived,
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there was so much gang activity.
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Girls were raped.
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People didn't say anything
for fear of being killed.
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I lived alone with my granddaughter.
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And the MS-13 gang wanted to come after me
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because they wanted her to be their woman.
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The guy came over to my house
looking for me,
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saying that I had to go with him...
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But I told him
I didn't want to go with him.
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I didn't want to marry him.
They wanted to force me to marry him.
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I told him no,
that I didn't want to marry him.
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I was only 12 years old.
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And then he tried kissing me by force,
and my grandma didn't let him.
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And he told my grandma
he would hurt her if she didn't leave.
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They told me
that if I don't leave the house,
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they would set me on fire or kill me.
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I thought I could ask for protection
for me and my granddaughter.
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So I came here without saying a word.
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We traveled at night.
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It took more than ten days to get here.
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I entered through the bridge
to ask for protection
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for me and my granddaughter.
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And then they come through Ciudad Juárez,
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and they turn themselves in
at the port of entry and ask for asylum.
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She's fleeing for her life,
but she did it the correct way.
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Why? 'Cause she went to the port of entry
and basically turned herself in.
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It's not like she was hiding,
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she was trying to be smuggled
in the trunk of a car.
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She did it the right way.
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My grandmother did all she could
to get me here alive and well,
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but Immigration separated us.
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I was released from the shelter
after two months...
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and she remained in detention...
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another month and then another one...
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I've been here for 17 months.
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I've been here for a long time already.
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I don't know
why Immigration won't let me leave.
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I don't owe anything.
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Only because I came to ask for protection
from this country.
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This is a transient place.
It's only, like, temporary.
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It's not meant to hold people
for years or months.
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But Congress said
that when you enter illegally like that,
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you don't have a right to a bond,
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and the only way that you can get out is
at the discretion of ICE.
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- And ultimately, it's your decision?
- Yes, it is. Yes.
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You have to look at four factors, okay?
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The four factors is: One, her identity.
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Is this the person that they say they are?
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Her identity is not questionable.
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Here's her birth certificate.
Here's her passport.
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Here's her national ID.
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Do they have a support system
in the United States?
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She has a daughter in Houston
who's been living there for many years.
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Are they a flight risk?
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Are they gonna disappear
once we release them?
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Are we gonna be able to find this person?
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She has a fixed address.
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She's got bills to prove
that it's a fixed address,
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that it exists.
It's not a made-up address.
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The fourth piece is:
Are they a threat to the community?
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Have they been involved
with alien smuggling?
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Have they been involved
with any kind of trafficking?
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If those areas can be clearly satisfied,
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the consideration should be
to grant a parole to someone.
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So we've proved all that.
And so, what Congress said is,
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"If you can prove all that,
and you can show
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that it is not in the interest
of United States government
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to hold you or to detain you,
you're not a threat
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to the national security
of the United States,
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you're not a threat to the community,
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"then by all means,
you should be released."
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But ICE says, "No."
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Even if you prove that, so what?
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We're under a new administration.
We don't give a shit.
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We're gonna hold you.
We're gonna make it hard for you.
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You know why?
'Cause we don't want you here.
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We want you to go back."
That's the message.
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The evidence that we've seen,
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we think that ICE is using people
like Berta as a deterrent,
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as a motivator to send the message,
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"Don't come. Don't ask for asylum, 'cause
you're gonna be held for this long."
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So we believe that. Of course,
it's kind of hard to prove, right?
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'Cause ICE is not gonna admit to that.
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I'm not attributing this to anyone.
This is my own personal opinion.
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I do believe that it's the strategy.
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It is the strategy to tear families apart,
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which to me is unconscionable,
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and bring them maximum pain,
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and use it as a deterrent.
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Hey, folks,
it's Congress member Nanette Barragán.
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We're here
at the San Ysidro Land Port of Entry.
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I just crossed,
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and I heard a gentleman presenting himself
for asylum at the port of entry here
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and was told that he can't.
He has to go back.
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Officer came over. I was very...
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You know,
wanted to know what the issue was,
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and she said
that they're not taking people
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at the ports of entry,
and he had to leave.
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I'm a member
of the United States Congress.
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- Okay, can I have your card, please?
- Here's my federal ID.
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And here they are trying
to get this gentleman to leave
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who's trying to present himself
for port of entry.
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This is what is happening at the border.
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At first, you know, you may think that
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maybe this is just one rogue officer here
on the border.
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What was really happening
was these orders were coming
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from the Trump administration,
from Washington, DC.
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You testified...
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that asylum seekers
are not being turned away
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at the ports of entry.
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Was that your testimony here today?
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They are not turned away.
They are brought...
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Well, let me tell you, Madam Secretary,
either you're lying to this committee,
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or you don't know what's happening
at the border.
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And I have been there firsthand,
and I have seen it twice.
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He has no documentation,
and Runami will take him to the area
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and put him on the list.
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Can you produce every list
at the port of entry that's under US...
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We do not have the list, to be clear.
The list is in Mexico.
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So you have the authority to do a list,
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but you don't have access to a list,
and you don't control that list?
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The list
for asylum applications is handled
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by a group of asylum seekers
who are also on the list.
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Whoever wants to sign up,
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here is our comrade
that will start signing people up.
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Every day, US Immigration
tells the Mexican government
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how many people they will be letting in.
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Your husband is not on here.
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He should be right after you
or after your daughter, but he's not.
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If his name is not there,
you can't go through,
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and you have to put your name
on the list again.
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In two or three weeks, come back
and check again what number we are at.
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- Two weeks?
- In two to three weeks.
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Why does an agency
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that has one of the biggest budgets
of the US government
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cannot make their own list?
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Why are they asking immigrants
in the shelters
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to manage some kind of list
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that the US government
has the responsibility to do it?
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So it was like an unofficial
but official policy.
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It was like a mechanism
to stop them from seeking asylum.
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We're not talking about people
who are coming in the trunk of a car,
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or they're hiding.
We're not talking about terrorists.
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We're talking about families, kids,
innocent people
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who are just trying
to do this the legal way.
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This Trump administration always says,
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"Well, why can't they just do it
the right way?"
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But the truth is they designed this
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to make sure
that these folks would give up.
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Every single one of these cases represents
a mom, a dad, or a spouse,
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somebody we resettled, who came lawfully
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and applied through the lawful process
to bring their family members here,
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and they're still not here.
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Every single file represents... families.
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They're from all different parts
of the world,
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and the thing they have in common is
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that they're not able to live
with their family members,
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despite the law saying they can.
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When I started as a volunteer,
you know, 20 years ago,
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helping refugees,
this wasn't controversial.
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And how it's become such a political issue
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in a way that it's never been in the past.
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This administration is trying
to shut the doors.
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You followed all the rules,
and you applied five years ago,
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and our government said
you could bring your family,
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and now, when they try to do that,
they're just stuck.
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No one's denied the case,
but they're not moving them forward.
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The law said they could bring
their family members here,
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and we can't seem to manage
to make that happen,
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and that's a disgrace.
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- Deborah, are you ready to do this today?
- Mm-hmm.
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So, this is what
we're definitely kind of targeting today
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is removing all this,
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taking a skin graft from the thigh
and releasing this contracture
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and reconstructing
with a skin graft there.
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Let's do this. We're gonna lower
your back down a little bit.
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Deborah, you take care, hon. Good luck.
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- I'm strong with all of you here.
- You are.
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- You can do this.
- Yes, you are.
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My name is Deborah Baliraine Jane.
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I am originally from Uganda.
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I am a survivor
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of an acid burn.
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And the burn happened in 2014
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after I had separated
with the father of my children.
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It was one afternoon.
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Somebody knocks.
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The children run. They told me,
"There are two men at the gate,"
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and they say they have a message...
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"from Daddy."
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I saw him with a jug,
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and he was just set
to pour something on me.
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I felt something cold.
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The cold turned into burning.
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The clothes that I had put on
fell off my body into ash,
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and my whole body was...
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Just like you would feel
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your body on a grill.
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And this was one week after the burn.
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We found Deborah here
in Mulago Hospital
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testing the extent of damage
acid could have brought unto her.
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In Uganda, acid violence
almost always leaves victims
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with severe physical, psychological,
and social scarring.
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God spoke to me,
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and it is one testimony
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that I always give
to the few people that I talk to.
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At that moment, he told me,
"Do not be afraid."
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I just heard this in my heart.
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"Do not be afraid.
You're not going to die."
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I was accepted by the US government.
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With my case, they promise me
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that I'll be able to have my children
within a year or even less,
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but they're not here with me.
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Nobody chose to be a refugee.
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I was born and grew up
around the civil war.
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If something happens,
my mom will tell us, like,
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"Hit the floor. Cover your head.
Stay there.
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Just act dead."
That's the only way you would survive.
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It's the UN's job to provide protection.
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Then you can apply
for resettlement to a third country.
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So, a small number of people
get this option.
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Then there's all kinds
of background checks that happen.
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The whole process takes at least two years
to complete.
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There are all these international agencies
that check data,
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and if they have any doubt, you're out.
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I mean, there are lots of people
they will just disqualify.
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You do not even know
where you're going to get resettled.
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You request, but you do not know.
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You do not have any idea
of where you're going to go.
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The people who actually
make it all the way through the process
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and arrive in the US are a very, very,
very select few who are more vetted
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than just about any other
immigrant population in the world.
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They will select less than 1%
of people that they screen
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to be referred for resettlement
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because the number of slots is so low
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that the UN is only referring cases
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where the straits
are just incredibly dire.
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For many years, leaders in Washington
brought large numbers of refugees
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to your state from Somalia.
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Since coming into office,
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I have reduced refugee resettlement
by 85%.
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The Trump administration is slashing
the number of refugees the US will admit
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to a new record low.
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The cap for 2019 now set at 30,000 people.
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The presidential determination numbers
include my son.
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So, the more they lower...
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my hopes go down.
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It reduces the chances
of me uniting with my son.
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The president issued
an executive order in the fall of 2017
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that ended family reunification
for refugees and asylum seekers.
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00:27:08,918 --> 00:27:10,038
It said, "You can come here,
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but then you can't bring your family
after you."
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00:27:12,422 --> 00:27:17,510
And we brought a lawsuit,
and a judge ruled that that was illegal,
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that they couldn't shut down
the family reunification program.
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And so what they've done instead
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is just sort of refuse
to process those applications.
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00:27:26,311 --> 00:27:30,273
I received a communication
from the National Visa Center.
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They normally say 30 days...
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that they'll be giving them a date
for their interview.
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We came to two months.
We came to three months.
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00:27:40,533 --> 00:27:44,079
We came to five months.
We came to a year.
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00:27:44,162 --> 00:27:47,332
It is now one year and so many months.
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I have never got any other communication.
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00:28:06,851 --> 00:28:08,812
Thank you all for making time to be here.
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00:28:08,895 --> 00:28:13,483
Amnesty International has been working
on issues of family detention
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in the immigration sphere
for many, many years now.
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We, along with many others
in the United States,
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have been dismayed about the policies
that have been adopted
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in the last few months
and last couple of years
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under the Trump administration.
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It's important to recognize also
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that these are not accidental
human rights violations
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in any effort to enforce the law.
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They're deliberate efforts
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to undermine the legal protections
for asylum seekers
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that the US has integrated
into US law.
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00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,808
We on the border, we are a laboratory.
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In other words, the Trump administration
has been experimenting in our region,
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and they see what works,
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and then they take those bad actions
and apply them nationwide.
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And basically,
what we're seeing on the border
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is the criminalization of asylum seekers.
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A mother that comes with her children,
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that's, you know, running away
from a really bad situation
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is being treated like a criminal,
not only under this administration...
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It starts from CBP...
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00:29:18,256 --> 00:29:19,924
to US Border Patrol...
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to the judges even, now.
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00:29:24,012 --> 00:29:27,098
Because the immigration judges
on the border are not independent.
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They have horrible records,
almost a 98% denial rate.
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We see the people that go back and die.
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00:29:34,063 --> 00:29:38,234
At least five of my clients have died
because judges have denied asylum.
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00:29:38,318 --> 00:29:39,736
I've had clients where they're...
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I had one client
where her brother was cut into pieces,
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and we had all the forensics reports,
and the judge says, "I don't believe her.
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00:29:47,494 --> 00:29:49,913
Yeah, that happened. So what?
She can go back."
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Where are you coming from?
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Guerrero, Mexico.
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Your civil status?
Single, married or domestic partnership?
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They killed my husband.
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Widow.
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- How many children do you have?
- Four.
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The reason why you left?
Economic, social, security?
484
00:30:34,207 --> 00:30:37,168
Because they killed my husband,
and now they are after me.
485
00:30:43,675 --> 00:30:49,597
The House is
a shelter that can hold men, women,
486
00:30:49,681 --> 00:30:51,140
children and families
487
00:30:51,224 --> 00:30:54,310
that have left behind
their home, family, culture.
488
00:30:54,394 --> 00:30:57,146
Many things that,
for the time that they stay here,
489
00:30:57,438 --> 00:31:01,109
they can obtain something
that they have left behind.
490
00:31:03,152 --> 00:31:07,907
Our number one job is
to guide and support them
491
00:31:07,991 --> 00:31:12,120
so they can achieve their dream
of migration.
492
00:31:15,456 --> 00:31:18,585
In the past,
a family from Central America could go
493
00:31:18,668 --> 00:31:21,462
to the bridge, and they could pass.
494
00:31:21,546 --> 00:31:22,589
But now, they can't.
495
00:31:22,672 --> 00:31:26,759
Now, there's an order
and a negotiation with ICE
496
00:31:26,926 --> 00:31:29,637
that we receive asylum seekers.
497
00:31:30,763 --> 00:31:33,057
Number 4290 for Maritza.
498
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:38,354
We give them
a bracelet with a number we can track.
499
00:31:38,479 --> 00:31:42,859
And through that list, we work with ICE.
500
00:31:43,902 --> 00:31:47,572
They tell me,
"We will accept 30 migrants this morning."
501
00:31:49,365 --> 00:31:52,577
When they don't accept migrants
during one day,
502
00:31:52,660 --> 00:31:54,579
people start accumulating for me here.
503
00:32:00,835 --> 00:32:03,338
We want to do things right.
That's why we are here.
504
00:32:03,421 --> 00:32:04,714
They gave us a number.
505
00:32:04,797 --> 00:32:06,758
From here, we are taken to the border,
506
00:32:06,841 --> 00:32:10,136
and we don't know
what the process is there.
507
00:32:10,219 --> 00:32:12,847
This is the bracelet.
508
00:32:12,931 --> 00:32:13,973
Everybody has one?
509
00:32:14,057 --> 00:32:15,141
Yes.
510
00:32:15,224 --> 00:32:20,980
Because we want to do things right,
and we want to go to the US to work,
511
00:32:21,064 --> 00:32:22,273
to prosper, to do things well.
512
00:32:22,357 --> 00:32:24,651
President Trump said he wanted things
to be done legally.
513
00:32:24,734 --> 00:32:26,235
So we are doing it in a legal way.
514
00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:28,039
We are going about it
the best way possible.
515
00:32:28,071 --> 00:32:30,151
We don't want problems.
We want to be accepted there.
516
00:32:31,491 --> 00:32:34,202
We left Cuba for security.
517
00:32:34,494 --> 00:32:36,214
Every time Cubans
are deported back to Cuba,
518
00:32:36,287 --> 00:32:37,705
they disappear.
519
00:32:37,789 --> 00:32:39,457
You cannot find them.
520
00:32:40,166 --> 00:32:42,377
We are prepared to be detained.
521
00:32:43,211 --> 00:32:48,216
People say one, two, three or six months.
522
00:32:48,299 --> 00:32:51,302
This is what they say,
but we don't know how long.
523
00:32:56,307 --> 00:32:58,309
4234,
524
00:32:58,393 --> 00:33:03,064
4235, 4236,
525
00:33:03,147 --> 00:33:05,316
4237,
526
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,735
4238,
527
00:33:07,819 --> 00:33:11,322
please gather your things quickly
528
00:33:11,406 --> 00:33:13,533
and make a line in the guards area.
529
00:33:14,242 --> 00:33:16,619
Line up by number, please.
530
00:33:18,788 --> 00:33:20,873
This is the documentation of evidence
531
00:33:20,957 --> 00:33:25,169
for when my husband was beaten
and hospitalized in Cuba.
532
00:33:25,670 --> 00:33:30,216
Medical certificate. The injuries.
The things that happened.
533
00:33:31,217 --> 00:33:35,555
I'm not afraid of being detained there
because...
534
00:33:35,638 --> 00:33:40,101
I am confident of what I feel,
of what I have lived in my country.
535
00:33:40,184 --> 00:33:43,479
I am clear about explaining my situation.
536
00:33:44,522 --> 00:33:47,358
And nothing can be worse
than what I lived through in my country.
537
00:33:51,070 --> 00:33:52,447
The people that have...
538
00:33:52,530 --> 00:33:55,283
Like, bad stuff is happening
in their country
539
00:33:55,366 --> 00:33:57,744
the ones that are seeking asylum, but...
540
00:33:57,827 --> 00:34:02,623
you actually see the trauma they've gotten
in their country, and that's...
541
00:34:02,707 --> 00:34:05,168
to me, I kind of feel sad for 'em.
542
00:34:06,127 --> 00:34:09,005
I hate to see people come in like that,
but...
543
00:34:10,298 --> 00:34:11,674
I just...
544
00:34:13,134 --> 00:34:16,262
I just... I don't know.
I don't wanna say, "That's life,"
545
00:34:16,345 --> 00:34:18,681
but people shouldn't have to
go through that.
546
00:34:20,349 --> 00:34:23,186
But it's happening more than we realize.
547
00:34:28,483 --> 00:34:31,444
I hope and wish to be in detention.
548
00:34:32,195 --> 00:34:36,949
Depends if they find our fear credible
or not.
549
00:34:37,575 --> 00:34:41,996
I hope to get it right.
We all hope to get it right.
550
00:34:44,207 --> 00:34:46,167
Let's see what happens in the end.
551
00:34:46,626 --> 00:34:48,336
And I'm sure there is cases
552
00:34:48,419 --> 00:34:51,839
that they are legit,
and they're asking for asylum...
553
00:34:53,841 --> 00:34:58,387
and, of course, they deserve that,
but a lot of people are just doing it
554
00:34:58,471 --> 00:35:01,182
just because they know the system...
555
00:35:02,475 --> 00:35:04,977
and try to work it in their favor.
556
00:35:06,229 --> 00:35:08,523
4231...
557
00:35:13,653 --> 00:35:14,653
Let's go.
558
00:35:18,241 --> 00:35:19,951
Take care. Good luck.
559
00:35:20,034 --> 00:35:22,161
Thanks very much. Very thankful.
560
00:35:27,834 --> 00:35:28,834
Good luck.
561
00:35:30,670 --> 00:35:32,630
How many we got for today?
562
00:35:32,713 --> 00:35:35,424
- Thirty-five.
- Thirty-five? All right.
563
00:35:39,512 --> 00:35:40,721
Are you nervous?
564
00:35:43,850 --> 00:35:46,519
You are deported for 20 years, sir.
565
00:35:54,402 --> 00:35:59,699
Mama, we are already on the transport
to the border.
566
00:36:01,701 --> 00:36:05,079
Yes, we are.
I borrowed a phone to call you fast.
567
00:36:07,874 --> 00:36:12,128
It's okay. I'll go in
and see what the process is like.
568
00:36:12,962 --> 00:36:15,548
Send the family my love.
569
00:36:23,890 --> 00:36:26,475
Good morning.
I'm a Mexican Immigration officer.
570
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:27,977
You are all going to Mexico.
571
00:36:38,654 --> 00:36:39,864
Good luck, gentlemen.
572
00:36:40,948 --> 00:36:42,533
Try to do it the right way.
573
00:37:05,473 --> 00:37:06,557
Until recently,
574
00:37:06,641 --> 00:37:10,645
if you came to the United States
with a child and made an asylum claim,
575
00:37:10,728 --> 00:37:13,731
the doors opened,
and you could come into the United States.
576
00:37:16,108 --> 00:37:19,654
Now, what that leaves out is
that you are temporarily admitted
577
00:37:19,779 --> 00:37:23,241
solely for the purpose
of having your case adjudicated.
578
00:37:23,324 --> 00:37:25,451
And if you do not have a valid claim,
579
00:37:25,534 --> 00:37:27,954
you will then be subject to removal
and removed.
580
00:37:28,037 --> 00:37:32,458
But what gets told,
what the migrants share back is,
581
00:37:32,541 --> 00:37:35,211
"Oh, my goodness!
You show up at the border.
582
00:37:35,294 --> 00:37:37,797
You bring a child. They open the gates.
They let you in."
583
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,217
And so one of the greatest ways
to help alleviate that is
584
00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:42,677
to no longer open the door.
585
00:37:44,053 --> 00:37:46,347
And that is one of the programs
that we now have is
586
00:37:46,430 --> 00:37:49,517
that for those individuals
who passed through multiple countries,
587
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,104
when they arrive at the United States,
they have the chance to claim asylum.
588
00:37:53,187 --> 00:37:54,522
But rather than the door opening
589
00:37:54,605 --> 00:37:57,191
and allow them to come in
while their case is adjudicated,
590
00:37:57,275 --> 00:37:58,401
they remain in Mexico.
591
00:38:00,194 --> 00:38:01,988
The Department of Homeland Security
592
00:38:02,071 --> 00:38:05,408
is introducing
the new Migrant Protection Protocol.
593
00:38:05,491 --> 00:38:06,867
The new protocol stipulates
594
00:38:06,951 --> 00:38:09,578
that once
the credible-fear interview is complete,
595
00:38:09,662 --> 00:38:13,040
immigrants are to be given a court date
and a list of pro bono lawyers
596
00:38:13,124 --> 00:38:14,583
before being sent back to Mexico.
597
00:38:28,681 --> 00:38:31,642
They now legally,
CBP was authorized to say,
598
00:38:31,726 --> 00:38:34,812
"You will not come in.
You will stay in Mexico."
599
00:38:36,022 --> 00:38:39,650
Migration Protection Protocol is a joke.
600
00:38:39,734 --> 00:38:41,319
Who are they trying to protect?
601
00:38:43,654 --> 00:38:45,698
The change has been very drastic.
602
00:38:46,073 --> 00:38:49,076
So, now, it's not the list.
It's not the numbers.
603
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,703
Now, it's the returnees.
604
00:38:51,287 --> 00:38:53,789
They were told, "Go back to Mexico
605
00:38:53,873 --> 00:38:58,169
and return on August 20,
October, November, December..."
606
00:38:58,252 --> 00:39:02,298
We have people waiting
until January of the next year.
607
00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:07,803
The United States is returning
massive amounts of people.
608
00:39:08,429 --> 00:39:10,473
The biggest part is just beginning.
609
00:39:11,849 --> 00:39:14,602
More than 10,000 asylum seekers
at the southern border
610
00:39:14,685 --> 00:39:19,523
have been sent back under
the controversial Remain in Mexico policy.
611
00:39:19,607 --> 00:39:22,234
There are literally
thousands of people right now
612
00:39:22,318 --> 00:39:23,652
in Ciudad Juárez
613
00:39:23,736 --> 00:39:26,697
who have been turned back
from the International Bridge
614
00:39:26,781 --> 00:39:29,658
as they sought to seek asylum
in this country,
615
00:39:29,742 --> 00:39:32,036
trying to follow our own laws.
616
00:39:32,244 --> 00:39:34,955
Thousands of people are running
around in Ciudad Juárez.
617
00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:38,417
They have no family ties.
They have no jobs.
618
00:39:38,876 --> 00:39:42,463
They want to end all asylum.
That there is no more.
619
00:39:45,508 --> 00:39:47,468
What I'm seeing,
what I'm witnessing,
620
00:39:47,551 --> 00:39:51,305
from not so long ago,
just from a year ago till now,
621
00:39:51,389 --> 00:39:53,474
it's extreme the changes that are coming.
622
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:56,060
Now we saw the beginning of the storm.
623
00:39:56,143 --> 00:39:59,980
We saw the criminalization
of the border people, asylum seekers.
624
00:40:00,064 --> 00:40:02,566
We knew there was a storm coming
on the horizon,
625
00:40:02,650 --> 00:40:04,235
but we didn't know how bad it is.
626
00:40:04,318 --> 00:40:07,363
And now that we're
in the eye of the storm, it is horrific.
627
00:40:07,738 --> 00:40:12,201
People sleeping under the bridge, tents.
People sleeping outside in sleeping bags.
628
00:40:12,284 --> 00:40:14,161
They call them refugee camps.
629
00:40:14,245 --> 00:40:17,873
I don't know if this
is a sustainable situation for Mexico.
630
00:40:17,957 --> 00:40:20,084
As of this week, Tanya,
the US has returned
631
00:40:20,167 --> 00:40:23,045
more than 50,000 asylum seekers to Mexico.
632
00:40:23,129 --> 00:40:25,756
How do we deal
with almost 50,000 migrants?
633
00:40:26,257 --> 00:40:27,675
Twenty-four hours a day!
634
00:40:27,758 --> 00:40:30,803
In the morning, in the afternoon,
at night, at dawn.
635
00:40:30,886 --> 00:40:33,347
How do we deal with 50,000 migrants?
636
00:40:33,973 --> 00:40:34,973
Impossible.
637
00:40:41,105 --> 00:40:45,359
Our country is full. We're full.
Our system is full. Our country is full.
638
00:40:45,443 --> 00:40:49,071
Can't come in. Our country is full.
639
00:40:49,155 --> 00:40:51,699
Some of the roughest people
you've ever seen.
640
00:40:52,408 --> 00:40:55,661
People that look like
they should be fighting for the UFC.
641
00:40:57,371 --> 00:41:01,250
They read a little page given by lawyers
that are all over the place.
642
00:41:01,333 --> 00:41:02,460
You know, lawyers.
643
00:41:02,877 --> 00:41:05,838
"I am very fearful for my life."
644
00:41:08,674 --> 00:41:10,301
"I am very worried...
645
00:41:11,343 --> 00:41:15,181
that I will be accosted
if I am sent back home."
646
00:41:15,848 --> 00:41:17,892
No, no, he'll do the accosting.
647
00:41:20,352 --> 00:41:24,148
The same tools that are being
used to dissuade people,
648
00:41:24,231 --> 00:41:28,777
to return people are being used
in other programs.
649
00:41:29,195 --> 00:41:32,448
You know, they're trying to destroy,
dismantle the visas,
650
00:41:32,531 --> 00:41:35,534
family-based immigration,
consular processing, TPS.
651
00:41:36,702 --> 00:41:38,787
The refugee program is under attack.
652
00:41:38,871 --> 00:41:43,417
These policies are being used as a whole
to attack the whole system.
653
00:41:43,501 --> 00:41:46,170
They're trying to bring it down.
They're trying to dismantle it.
654
00:41:51,342 --> 00:41:53,761
What time is it there now? 9:00?
655
00:41:56,013 --> 00:41:57,723
Yeah, it's 9:30.
656
00:41:58,182 --> 00:42:00,684
Yeah, we're almost sleeping.
657
00:42:00,768 --> 00:42:02,811
Have you finished having dinner?
658
00:42:03,646 --> 00:42:04,730
Yes.
659
00:42:05,981 --> 00:42:07,650
Say something, Koti.
660
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:09,400
Hi, Mommy.
661
00:42:09,443 --> 00:42:13,113
Hi.
662
00:42:13,948 --> 00:42:16,158
- Love you.
- Love you.
663
00:42:18,911 --> 00:42:23,457
Yeah, I miss them. I miss them.
664
00:42:24,041 --> 00:42:27,795
But whenever I talk to them,
I think you just see the smile can't stop.
665
00:42:27,878 --> 00:42:32,758
Like, you keep thinking about them and...
666
00:42:34,134 --> 00:42:41,016
If I got them together with me,
then my life will be complete again.
667
00:42:46,522 --> 00:42:49,858
So, these have been stuck,
you know, waiting, waiting, waiting.
668
00:42:50,359 --> 00:42:53,445
They finally got an interview,
669
00:42:53,862 --> 00:42:57,283
you know,
and so everyone's over-the-moon excited,
670
00:42:57,366 --> 00:43:00,411
and then we get a notice
of deferred decision.
671
00:43:00,744 --> 00:43:02,955
"Your background checks
must be completed."
672
00:43:03,664 --> 00:43:05,833
So, we know that's the black hole.
673
00:43:09,253 --> 00:43:11,589
She always come here
to check her case.
674
00:43:11,672 --> 00:43:13,173
Say, "Where's my daughter?"
675
00:43:14,008 --> 00:43:19,722
So, up to now, almost three years
she has been waiting here.
676
00:43:20,097 --> 00:43:23,183
Like so many of these,
they've had to start over,
677
00:43:23,267 --> 00:43:25,811
even when they were ready to come.
678
00:43:25,894 --> 00:43:31,900
Because of the president's orders,
they've gotten stuck.
679
00:43:31,984 --> 00:43:37,656
They're doing new security clearances,
so she's probably in that line.
680
00:43:39,908 --> 00:43:42,953
It sucks
to give bad news every single day.
681
00:43:44,038 --> 00:43:46,540
Or to give no news, which is bad news.
682
00:43:51,420 --> 00:43:53,255
I'm sorry.
683
00:43:53,547 --> 00:43:56,550
How these people can stand it,
I don't know.
684
00:43:56,634 --> 00:43:58,260
You know, the not knowing...
685
00:43:58,344 --> 00:44:01,472
You know, why can't this mom,
who's been through hell,
686
00:44:01,555 --> 00:44:03,474
just live with her kids now?
687
00:44:06,602 --> 00:44:08,354
Speaking for Deborah and...
688
00:44:09,313 --> 00:44:13,442
what kind of security risk do you think
this 15-year-old girl is?
689
00:44:15,319 --> 00:44:17,571
We know everything about these people.
690
00:44:19,448 --> 00:44:22,284
The fact that there needs
to be more vetting,
691
00:44:22,368 --> 00:44:25,454
more extreme vetting
or whatever the hell they wanna call it,
692
00:44:26,372 --> 00:44:27,372
is garbage.
693
00:44:27,831 --> 00:44:30,542
It's another way of putting up a wall.
694
00:44:31,752 --> 00:44:34,463
It's designed to make us fail.
695
00:44:34,922 --> 00:44:37,800
So then you have a parent saying,
"Well, what should I do?
696
00:44:37,883 --> 00:44:39,009
I'm gonna go back."
697
00:44:44,765 --> 00:44:45,765
Okay.
698
00:44:47,184 --> 00:44:49,269
Try to be patient. I know it's hard.
699
00:44:49,353 --> 00:44:52,481
There's nothing you can do
if you go back to Nairobi.
700
00:44:52,564 --> 00:44:55,275
You're not going to make
the process go faster.
701
00:44:55,359 --> 00:44:57,194
Don't feel like you should go there
702
00:44:57,277 --> 00:44:59,863
because you think you need to do that
to make something happen.
703
00:45:00,447 --> 00:45:01,447
Okay.
704
00:45:01,990 --> 00:45:03,409
We'll keep communicating.
705
00:45:04,618 --> 00:45:06,954
I talked to my lawyer,
706
00:45:07,454 --> 00:45:12,543
and she told me
she doesn't think it may help.
707
00:45:12,626 --> 00:45:14,086
I believe...
708
00:45:14,837 --> 00:45:16,505
it would work better
709
00:45:16,588 --> 00:45:21,135
if me, as a parent,
walked into the embassy and...
710
00:45:21,927 --> 00:45:23,721
physically and talked to them.
711
00:45:23,804 --> 00:45:28,142
So I'm doing it my way.
712
00:45:28,225 --> 00:45:29,977
I'm doing it my way.
713
00:45:30,686 --> 00:45:32,062
I am so excited.
714
00:45:32,730 --> 00:45:34,022
I bought jackets for them
715
00:45:34,106 --> 00:45:37,401
because I have all the hope
that I'm coming back with my children.
716
00:45:37,484 --> 00:45:39,778
We are approaching the winter season,
717
00:45:39,862 --> 00:45:43,031
and we don't have these kinds of jackets,
you know.
718
00:45:43,115 --> 00:45:44,742
So, this is for the baby.
719
00:45:47,911 --> 00:45:51,707
I got the attack when she was five years.
720
00:45:51,790 --> 00:45:56,503
So, that has really separated me from her.
721
00:45:57,045 --> 00:45:59,965
And the last time she saw me,
722
00:46:00,048 --> 00:46:01,800
she didn't want to stand near me.
723
00:46:01,884 --> 00:46:06,680
She was scared of me,
because of the scars that I had,
724
00:46:06,764 --> 00:46:10,934
because of the pain
that was all over my my face.
725
00:46:11,643 --> 00:46:17,149
And she didn't want to see a mother
who's crying all the time.
726
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:31,163
From the time I'll go and meet her,
I'll make sure she's always close to me
727
00:46:31,246 --> 00:46:33,373
so that I may get that connection again.
728
00:46:33,457 --> 00:46:37,336
Even if it's been after years,
I'm going to try and pull...
729
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,589
and pull it back.
730
00:46:43,425 --> 00:46:47,971
Carrie is always near her siblings
and caring so much.
731
00:46:49,431 --> 00:46:55,103
By the time I left, she felt...
all the responsibility of Mommy is on her.
732
00:46:55,854 --> 00:47:01,944
I always tell everyone
that I became a teenage mom.
733
00:47:02,027 --> 00:47:04,238
Yeah, that was the feeling I got,
734
00:47:04,321 --> 00:47:06,782
'cause my mom told me,
735
00:47:07,241 --> 00:47:10,202
"It's up to you
to try to show to the others
736
00:47:10,285 --> 00:47:11,954
that they can lean on me."
737
00:47:12,663 --> 00:47:13,831
When she comes,
738
00:47:14,665 --> 00:47:16,750
I'm going to get someone to lean on.
739
00:47:21,547 --> 00:47:23,298
But most of all...
740
00:47:28,428 --> 00:47:31,473
when she comes,
I can't imagine her going again.
741
00:47:54,371 --> 00:47:56,915
Separation of families...
742
00:47:58,417 --> 00:48:00,711
is something so painful.
743
00:48:01,587 --> 00:48:05,549
It is the worst punishment
that you would have given.
744
00:48:06,550 --> 00:48:09,928
To a parent who is yearning for a child,
745
00:48:10,429 --> 00:48:12,306
it is the worst punishment.
746
00:48:15,976 --> 00:48:18,979
Ladies and gentlemen,
welcome to Nairobi, Kenya...
747
00:48:38,081 --> 00:48:40,334
Oh, my gosh.
748
00:48:43,045 --> 00:48:47,466
I've missed you for all these years!
749
00:48:47,966 --> 00:48:51,094
Oh! Thank goodness Cuthbert has grown!
750
00:49:02,814 --> 00:49:05,651
- This one is mine.
- Yes. How did you know?
751
00:49:05,943 --> 00:49:07,361
It's purple! Thanks.
752
00:49:07,444 --> 00:49:09,738
- And this is for Cuthbert.
- Thank you, Mommy.
753
00:49:10,113 --> 00:49:12,157
For Caro, for Cynthia.
754
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:14,868
In the US, during the winter,
755
00:49:14,952 --> 00:49:18,413
you put on your clothes, put on a sweater,
and then put on the jacket.
756
00:49:18,914 --> 00:49:21,917
So, that's when you can...
And then you put on the gloves.
757
00:49:22,250 --> 00:49:26,213
Then you can walk in that snow very well.
758
00:49:26,296 --> 00:49:29,633
So, they really know how to dress up
for those weathers.
759
00:49:30,217 --> 00:49:32,219
That's why you see them naked
760
00:49:32,302 --> 00:49:33,804
- during summer.
- During summer!
761
00:49:35,180 --> 00:49:38,976
The men walk on streets
when they have not put on shirts
762
00:49:39,059 --> 00:49:42,229
just like, you know, they are so happy
for the weather to change.
763
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:48,235
While going to the embassy,
I'll go with my dreads.
764
00:49:49,486 --> 00:49:52,239
I will not put on any wig.
765
00:49:52,322 --> 00:49:56,451
I want them to see the true Deborah.
766
00:50:15,095 --> 00:50:16,221
- Yes.
- Okay.
767
00:50:16,304 --> 00:50:19,558
You can come in
anytime between 1:30 and three o'clock.
768
00:50:19,766 --> 00:50:21,435
- Okay.
- Yes.
769
00:50:21,518 --> 00:50:25,605
So, at the gate, they will be knowing
that I'm coming in?
770
00:50:25,689 --> 00:50:27,524
Yes, we'll be expecting you.
771
00:50:27,607 --> 00:50:28,607
Thank you.
772
00:50:28,650 --> 00:50:31,862
I think, at this time,
please come just by yourself,
773
00:50:31,945 --> 00:50:33,613
- not with the children.
- Okay.
774
00:50:36,324 --> 00:50:37,909
I'm going to the embassy
775
00:50:37,993 --> 00:50:40,579
to request
for the children to be interviewed,
776
00:50:40,662 --> 00:50:42,831
because normally, after the interviews,
777
00:50:43,540 --> 00:50:47,461
I think, the next step is always to go
for medical, and...
778
00:50:51,256 --> 00:50:53,759
and they come and join me.
779
00:51:06,146 --> 00:51:08,398
You've been very strong, children.
780
00:51:08,940 --> 00:51:10,901
You've waited for years.
781
00:51:11,943 --> 00:51:14,321
They told me this is a system,
782
00:51:14,946 --> 00:51:16,948
so we have to follow the system,
783
00:51:17,032 --> 00:51:20,577
but now, we're sure they have our files.
784
00:51:20,660 --> 00:51:24,664
At least we've got to the office.
That is right.
785
00:51:24,748 --> 00:51:29,836
And we may not go together on the 11th,
but let's have the hope.
786
00:51:30,295 --> 00:51:32,255
I don't want you to lose hope.
787
00:51:40,555 --> 00:51:42,891
I'm not a very strong person,
788
00:51:43,642 --> 00:51:47,771
so I don't want to talk much
about leaving right now.
789
00:51:48,688 --> 00:51:50,357
It makes me so sad.
790
00:51:55,779 --> 00:51:57,280
- See you soon.
- Yeah.
791
00:51:57,364 --> 00:51:58,990
- See you soon.
- See you soon.
792
00:51:59,074 --> 00:52:01,952
- See you next week.
- See you soon.
793
00:52:02,035 --> 00:52:05,664
See you next week.
Everything will be okay.
794
00:52:26,268 --> 00:52:29,104
I got an email about your case,
795
00:52:29,187 --> 00:52:31,857
and it's not... really unexpected.
796
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,776
Seemed like things
were going along too quickly
797
00:52:34,860 --> 00:52:36,903
and too good to be true.
798
00:52:36,987 --> 00:52:38,697
"At present, it is impossible
799
00:52:38,780 --> 00:52:42,284
to estimate how long it will take
to make a determination on your case.
800
00:52:42,367 --> 00:52:46,830
USCIS will notify you
of the final decision once it is made.
801
00:52:46,913 --> 00:52:49,708
We regret the delay
and appreciate your patience."
802
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:59,342
I don't think it's going to take long
since it was expedited.
803
00:53:00,552 --> 00:53:05,932
The longest period that we take
in this process is what they did.
804
00:53:07,142 --> 00:53:09,811
- That's not...
- Remember the background checks, though.
805
00:53:10,437 --> 00:53:13,690
That's the period we can't predict
how long that will take.
806
00:53:16,318 --> 00:53:19,654
I mean, any sensible person would say
it shouldn't take long,
807
00:53:19,738 --> 00:53:22,616
but I think we can't predict that.
808
00:53:23,491 --> 00:53:26,328
Hmm. That's true.
809
00:53:28,121 --> 00:53:32,500
Deborah, now they'll always know
you did everything you could for them.
810
00:53:32,918 --> 00:53:37,005
They will always have
that you went back to see them.
811
00:53:38,715 --> 00:53:42,636
It will be well. It will be well.
812
00:53:45,764 --> 00:53:46,764
Yeah.
813
00:54:08,411 --> 00:54:10,455
- How are you?
- Good and you?
814
00:54:10,538 --> 00:54:13,500
- How are you?
- Nothing, just nervous, my lawyer.
815
00:54:13,583 --> 00:54:15,418
- Are you nervous?
- Yes.
816
00:54:15,502 --> 00:54:16,920
Well, here we are.
817
00:54:18,505 --> 00:54:21,216
The court appeal was rejected.
818
00:54:22,008 --> 00:54:23,008
Yes.
819
00:54:26,930 --> 00:54:29,182
They are looking for me.
820
00:54:29,849 --> 00:54:31,851
And they will kill me right away.
821
00:54:31,935 --> 00:54:33,812
I don't want to...
822
00:54:35,730 --> 00:54:37,524
- So you are afraid?
- Yes.
823
00:54:39,025 --> 00:54:40,235
I'm scared.
824
00:54:42,821 --> 00:54:48,618
Since you are detained and we lost,
we can file an emergency petition.
825
00:54:49,661 --> 00:54:50,912
If we don't do anything,
826
00:54:51,538 --> 00:54:56,543
the official said that they could take you
by airplane in the next two weeks.
827
00:54:56,876 --> 00:54:58,586
So we have very little time
828
00:54:59,212 --> 00:55:00,714
to stop the deportation.
829
00:55:13,268 --> 00:55:16,354
She's fair game
right now to be deported at any time.
830
00:55:16,438 --> 00:55:19,399
And that's the thing that...
ICE has no duty whatsoever
831
00:55:19,482 --> 00:55:23,153
to tell me
when the exact time she'll be deported,
832
00:55:23,611 --> 00:55:25,030
what airport, nothing.
833
00:55:42,464 --> 00:55:43,506
Hello.
834
00:55:43,590 --> 00:55:48,803
Rosi, Eduardo Beckett,
from El Paso, your mother's lawyer.
835
00:55:50,013 --> 00:55:52,140
When I went in the morning
to look for her,
836
00:55:52,223 --> 00:55:54,559
they told me they had taken her
at 3 a.m.
837
00:55:55,018 --> 00:55:59,522
When I went to look for her,
they didn't tell me.
838
00:55:59,606 --> 00:56:01,441
Immigration does it in secret.
839
00:56:06,029 --> 00:56:09,115
I didn't have the chance to say goodbye.
840
00:56:10,909 --> 00:56:14,662
The only thing I can say
is that nobody can know she is back.
841
00:56:14,746 --> 00:56:18,500
Gang members are always asking about her.
842
00:56:20,877 --> 00:56:25,673
Things are very hard right now here
in the United States.
843
00:56:32,055 --> 00:56:35,892
May I have
your attention? A representative...
844
00:56:35,975 --> 00:56:37,519
He said 3450.
845
00:56:41,356 --> 00:56:42,607
You see them?
846
00:56:43,441 --> 00:56:45,151
I'm seeing them in my heart.
847
00:56:51,157 --> 00:56:55,203
Hey, guys! Come running!
848
00:57:07,590 --> 00:57:10,885
- Oh, my God!
- Ha ha!
849
00:57:10,969 --> 00:57:13,763
- Finally!
- Yeah, finally!
850
00:57:18,893 --> 00:57:19,893
Well!
851
00:57:21,229 --> 00:57:22,230
I want a hug.
852
00:57:22,313 --> 00:57:24,190
- I'm Angie.
- I'm Cynthia. Hello.
853
00:57:24,274 --> 00:57:26,651
- Cynthia, nice to meet you.
- Thank you.
854
00:57:26,734 --> 00:57:28,820
Welcome. I'm so glad you're here.
855
00:57:29,279 --> 00:57:32,699
You know, your mom fought for you.
She came all the time.
856
00:57:32,782 --> 00:57:37,120
Don't cry. You're here with me.
Finally, you're here.
857
00:57:38,997 --> 00:57:40,206
Don't cry.
858
00:57:40,915 --> 00:57:43,209
Yeah, you're finally here with me.
859
00:57:54,095 --> 00:57:58,016
Finally, I have my children
after four... five years.
860
00:57:58,558 --> 00:58:00,393
Thank you.
861
00:58:01,519 --> 00:58:04,564
It's hard to take the time
to stop and celebrate
862
00:58:04,981 --> 00:58:08,026
knowing there's so many more people,
863
00:58:08,109 --> 00:58:11,070
and there's so much effort was put
into this case, and...
864
00:58:11,946 --> 00:58:16,701
I'm really excited for Deborah
and her family to finally be together.
865
00:58:16,784 --> 00:58:20,079
It feels like progress,
but such small progress,
866
00:58:20,163 --> 00:58:23,625
because there are so many other people
whose cases aren't moving.
867
00:58:24,959 --> 00:58:27,795
Welcome home.
868
00:58:28,213 --> 00:58:29,506
Welcome home.
869
00:58:29,589 --> 00:58:30,673
It took heaven and Earth
870
00:58:30,757 --> 00:58:33,843
to try to get
just these four Ugandan kids here.
871
00:58:33,927 --> 00:58:38,556
So, it's celebratory for Deborah,
872
00:58:39,390 --> 00:58:40,475
but for me to...
873
00:58:40,558 --> 00:58:44,437
Now I'm, "Okay, who's next?
Who do I think has the best chance
874
00:58:44,521 --> 00:58:48,066
of some kind of extra efforts
to move them along?"
875
00:58:49,817 --> 00:58:53,154
And these celebrations
are so few and far between.
876
00:58:53,613 --> 00:58:56,491
This one's gonna have to carry us
for a little while.
877
00:59:02,956 --> 00:59:06,251
Hey, wait!
878
00:59:33,945 --> 00:59:38,449
Sometimes, they tell us
they're gonna return to their country,
879
00:59:38,533 --> 00:59:41,286
and it is not true.
They are going to try to cross.
880
00:59:41,744 --> 00:59:45,957
But unfortunately, many people died.
881
00:59:46,916 --> 00:59:48,585
Adults and children.
882
01:00:00,346 --> 01:00:02,015
His father grew tired
883
01:00:02,098 --> 01:00:04,100
of the long wait
at the processing centers.
884
01:00:04,183 --> 01:00:06,644
He was tired
that his family was being delayed
885
01:00:06,728 --> 01:00:09,230
and processed in the United States,
their asylum claim.
886
01:00:09,314 --> 01:00:12,400
So on Sunday, he decided
to try to swim the river himself.
887
01:00:12,483 --> 01:00:15,945
My husband,
where is he? Where is my husband?
888
01:00:16,029 --> 01:00:18,906
And the man
who has just died with his daughter...
889
01:00:18,990 --> 01:00:20,617
Where is he?
Give him back to me!
890
01:00:20,700 --> 01:00:22,869
That anguished me too much,
891
01:00:22,952 --> 01:00:26,247
and for several days,
I could not get that out of my mind.
892
01:00:27,999 --> 01:00:32,086
Because I think he was also here
with his daughter.
893
01:00:38,009 --> 01:00:40,219
And that's what scares me.
894
01:00:40,303 --> 01:00:44,349
That all this costs lives, innocent lives.
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