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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:20,803 --> 00:00:24,203 [projector clicking] 2 00:00:24,328 --> 00:00:27,158 [somber music] 3 00:00:27,288 --> 00:00:32,338 ♪ 4 00:00:32,467 --> 00:00:35,207 - My dad, he was very handsome. 5 00:00:35,339 --> 00:00:37,559 He was very loving. 6 00:00:37,689 --> 00:00:39,559 He had a very nice smile. 7 00:00:41,389 --> 00:00:44,569 Family was the most important. 8 00:00:48,831 --> 00:00:51,751 My dad was really a special man. 9 00:00:51,877 --> 00:00:53,357 He was the kind of man 10 00:00:53,488 --> 00:00:57,058 that people looked up to and respected. 11 00:01:00,408 --> 00:01:04,108 My mom and dad split up. 12 00:01:04,238 --> 00:01:06,718 He was single for a few years, and then he met Rose. 13 00:01:06,849 --> 00:01:09,769 ♪ 14 00:01:09,895 --> 00:01:13,285 Rose and Dad seemed to me like very good friends. 15 00:01:13,421 --> 00:01:16,121 They discussed plans together as equals. 16 00:01:18,121 --> 00:01:21,691 She was very stylish. She liked to go shopping. 17 00:01:21,820 --> 00:01:24,300 She had a very spiritual side too. 18 00:01:24,432 --> 00:01:27,222 She was kind of complex. 19 00:01:27,348 --> 00:01:34,618 ♪ 20 00:01:34,746 --> 00:01:37,306 - Abigail Folger was 26. 21 00:01:37,445 --> 00:01:38,875 The cause of her death 22 00:01:39,011 --> 00:01:41,411 and the deaths of the four people murdered with her 23 00:01:41,536 --> 00:01:42,966 is the concern of scores of investigators 24 00:01:43,103 --> 00:01:45,453 in Southern California. 25 00:01:45,583 --> 00:01:47,763 She had attended Santa Catalina School for Women 26 00:01:47,890 --> 00:01:51,110 near Carmel and was graduated from Radcliffe. 27 00:01:51,241 --> 00:01:53,501 Ms. Folger was the daughter of Peter Folger, 28 00:01:53,635 --> 00:01:55,895 chairman of the board of the Folger Coffee Company. 29 00:01:56,028 --> 00:01:59,118 ♪ 30 00:01:59,249 --> 00:02:01,429 - The funeral for writer Voytek Frykowski 31 00:02:01,556 --> 00:02:03,506 will be held in New York City this week. 32 00:02:03,645 --> 00:02:07,385 ♪ 33 00:02:07,518 --> 00:02:10,428 Those for 18-year-old youth Steven Parent 34 00:02:10,565 --> 00:02:12,645 were conducted elsewhere in Los Angeles. 35 00:02:14,482 --> 00:02:15,872 - Services were planned 36 00:02:16,005 --> 00:02:18,265 for men's hair stylist Jay Sebring. 37 00:02:18,399 --> 00:02:24,929 ♪ 38 00:02:25,057 --> 00:02:29,927 - He was a very personable, a very confident 39 00:02:30,062 --> 00:02:34,282 little guy, 5'6", 122, but had big stature. 40 00:02:38,593 --> 00:02:40,383 Jay and Sharon were living together three years, 41 00:02:40,508 --> 00:02:43,288 and I knew he was still hung up on her. 42 00:02:43,424 --> 00:02:48,524 ♪ 43 00:02:48,646 --> 00:02:51,426 - The services for Ms. Tate, a remarkably pretty actress 44 00:02:51,562 --> 00:02:52,782 who was about to become a mother, 45 00:02:52,911 --> 00:02:55,181 were held in west Los Angeles. 46 00:02:57,307 --> 00:03:00,217 - All of you know how beautiful she was. 47 00:03:00,354 --> 00:03:03,664 But only few of--of you know how good she was. 48 00:03:09,624 --> 00:03:12,454 The last few months as much as 49 00:03:12,583 --> 00:03:15,503 the last few years I spent with her 50 00:03:15,630 --> 00:03:19,680 were only time of true happiness in my life. 51 00:03:19,808 --> 00:03:26,248 ♪ 52 00:03:27,555 --> 00:03:30,335 [ominous music] 53 00:03:30,471 --> 00:03:34,481 ♪ 54 00:03:34,605 --> 00:03:36,215 - There's no need to feel guilty. 55 00:03:36,346 --> 00:03:38,346 I haven't done anything I'm ashamed of. 56 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:42,739 ♪ 57 00:03:42,874 --> 00:03:44,624 - There is no wrong. 58 00:03:46,487 --> 00:03:48,837 Aren't we all born to die? 59 00:03:48,967 --> 00:03:52,357 ♪ 60 00:03:55,887 --> 00:03:58,627 [eerie music] 61 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:05,380 ♪ 62 00:04:35,884 --> 00:04:42,334 ♪ 63 00:04:47,069 --> 00:04:49,849 [clacking] 64 00:04:52,074 --> 00:04:53,954 [dark music] 65 00:04:54,076 --> 00:04:56,596 - Friday night in Los Angeles, a movie actress 66 00:04:56,731 --> 00:04:58,601 and four of her friends were murdered, 67 00:04:58,733 --> 00:05:00,433 and the circumstances were lurid. 68 00:05:00,561 --> 00:05:02,301 ♪ 69 00:05:02,432 --> 00:05:04,612 And a short time later, not far away, 70 00:05:04,739 --> 00:05:06,829 a middle-aged couple was found murdered 71 00:05:06,958 --> 00:05:08,788 in similar circumstances. 72 00:05:08,917 --> 00:05:10,567 [car horns honking] 73 00:05:10,701 --> 00:05:12,621 With daylight, police searched the premises. 74 00:05:12,747 --> 00:05:14,877 They found no evidence of robbery, 75 00:05:15,010 --> 00:05:16,880 no suggestion of motive. 76 00:05:17,012 --> 00:05:19,192 A baffling crime, and bizarre. 77 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:21,579 [helicopter rotors thrumming] 78 00:05:21,712 --> 00:05:22,582 - Meantime, at the Bel Air home 79 00:05:22,713 --> 00:05:24,633 of movie director Roman Polanski, 80 00:05:24,759 --> 00:05:26,459 police continued their investigation 81 00:05:26,587 --> 00:05:27,757 of the five slayings. 82 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,110 Police said the actress's husband 83 00:05:31,243 --> 00:05:33,903 had not visited the home and was in seclusion. 84 00:05:34,029 --> 00:05:35,639 Beyond these few meager facts, 85 00:05:35,770 --> 00:05:38,640 police clamped a shroud of secrecy around the case. 86 00:05:38,773 --> 00:05:40,513 - As I say, there's no reason to hold him. 87 00:05:40,644 --> 00:05:42,344 He's not involved. 88 00:05:42,472 --> 00:05:43,912 - Late this afternoon, police released 89 00:05:44,039 --> 00:05:47,299 the only suspect they had, 19-year-old William Garretson, 90 00:05:47,434 --> 00:05:49,484 caretaker of the Polanski home. 91 00:05:49,610 --> 00:05:51,130 ♪ 92 00:05:51,263 --> 00:05:53,223 - As soon as the murders took place 93 00:05:53,353 --> 00:05:55,703 and there was no reason, 94 00:05:55,833 --> 00:05:58,363 Hollywood went into a kind of collective panic. 95 00:06:00,882 --> 00:06:05,582 They started getting guns, and they had guard dogs in. 96 00:06:05,713 --> 00:06:09,023 I remember Steve McQueen 97 00:06:09,151 --> 00:06:11,631 got himself a shotgun and a pistol. 98 00:06:11,762 --> 00:06:13,112 He put the shotgun under his bed 99 00:06:13,242 --> 00:06:16,642 and the pistol under his pillow. 100 00:06:16,767 --> 00:06:18,767 Because this was a safe neighborhood, 101 00:06:18,900 --> 00:06:21,690 and all of a sudden, were there a bunch of killers 102 00:06:21,816 --> 00:06:25,206 running around, gunning for celebrities? 103 00:06:25,341 --> 00:06:28,171 [birds chirping] 104 00:06:28,300 --> 00:06:32,780 ♪ 105 00:06:32,914 --> 00:06:37,614 - LA was a very open place in 1969, and very permeable. 106 00:06:37,745 --> 00:06:39,175 The rich and the poor, 107 00:06:39,311 --> 00:06:43,231 the hippies and straight society comingled, 108 00:06:43,359 --> 00:06:46,189 and you could walk in and out of a party or a bar 109 00:06:46,318 --> 00:06:48,058 and be with someone who was 110 00:06:48,190 --> 00:06:51,280 of a different station in life than you. 111 00:06:51,411 --> 00:06:57,031 After the Tate killings, the city just tightened up. 112 00:06:57,155 --> 00:06:59,415 LA changed forever. 113 00:07:01,856 --> 00:07:03,286 - Everybody started locking their cars, 114 00:07:03,423 --> 00:07:05,433 and nobody was picking up hitchhikers anymore. 115 00:07:05,555 --> 00:07:08,725 It was an incredible, horrific story. 116 00:07:08,863 --> 00:07:10,433 I mean, it brought the-- a curtain down 117 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:15,260 on the bricks and ferns and tie dye of the '60s. 118 00:07:15,391 --> 00:07:17,521 [horse neighing] 119 00:07:17,654 --> 00:07:19,574 [birds chirping] 120 00:07:22,224 --> 00:07:23,704 - Back at Spahn Ranch, 121 00:07:23,834 --> 00:07:27,104 there was strange things going on. 122 00:07:27,229 --> 00:07:31,409 I mean, it-- it seemed more serious. 123 00:07:31,538 --> 00:07:33,628 Straight Satans, the motorcycle gang, 124 00:07:33,757 --> 00:07:35,147 was involved, 125 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,110 and there were knives and there were guns. 126 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:43,420 They were like a protection and provider of weapons, 127 00:07:43,550 --> 00:07:46,340 but they also had mechanical skills for, you know, 128 00:07:46,466 --> 00:07:51,206 converting these Volkswagens into dune buggies. 129 00:07:51,340 --> 00:07:54,690 That seemed to be part of their purpose 130 00:07:54,822 --> 00:07:57,262 for this long-term move 131 00:07:57,389 --> 00:08:00,309 from Spahn Ranch to Death Valley. 132 00:08:00,436 --> 00:08:02,476 [tense music] 133 00:08:02,612 --> 00:08:05,882 - Those dune buggies would carry barrels 134 00:08:06,007 --> 00:08:09,837 that would keep us alive when we ran to the desert. 135 00:08:09,967 --> 00:08:14,447 And everybody in this town, LA and all around, 136 00:08:14,581 --> 00:08:16,931 would be in this horrible revolution, 137 00:08:17,061 --> 00:08:20,371 fighting each other and killing each other in the streets. 138 00:08:20,500 --> 00:08:22,760 It was no more fun and games. 139 00:08:22,893 --> 00:08:24,723 We weren't just there to hang out. 140 00:08:24,852 --> 00:08:27,382 It was like, "Get ready. 141 00:08:27,507 --> 00:08:29,987 We have to get out of here as soon as possible." 142 00:08:30,118 --> 00:08:32,818 ♪ 143 00:08:32,947 --> 00:08:37,337 - Innocent people were being murdered by this family 144 00:08:37,473 --> 00:08:40,483 that I didn't wanna be a part of anymore. 145 00:08:40,607 --> 00:08:43,217 - I felt like I was facing death. 146 00:08:44,436 --> 00:08:48,346 This was the opportunity that I could escape, 147 00:08:48,484 --> 00:08:50,974 knowing that I could not take my daughter with me. 148 00:08:53,228 --> 00:08:54,968 I left. [sniffles] 149 00:08:55,099 --> 00:08:57,229 I left. 150 00:08:59,843 --> 00:09:03,373 [animal howls] 151 00:09:03,499 --> 00:09:06,419 - Seven days after the killings, 152 00:09:06,546 --> 00:09:10,546 the LA County Sheriff Department descended on mass 153 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:13,600 on Spahn Ranch at 6:00 in the morning. 154 00:09:14,771 --> 00:09:18,081 They had a warrant to investigate auto theft. 155 00:09:19,428 --> 00:09:22,258 Manson and his family had been stealing everything, 156 00:09:22,387 --> 00:09:25,257 and they'd been retrofitting the stolen vehicles 157 00:09:25,390 --> 00:09:28,390 into dune buggies and riding around firing guns. 158 00:09:28,524 --> 00:09:31,484 [tense music] 159 00:09:31,614 --> 00:09:33,224 Manson was the last person arrested. 160 00:09:33,355 --> 00:09:34,915 He'd been hiding in a crawl space 161 00:09:35,052 --> 00:09:37,712 under one of the buildings on the ranch. 162 00:09:37,838 --> 00:09:43,798 ♪ 163 00:09:43,931 --> 00:09:46,631 - I was with the whole group. 164 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,980 I guess I assumed that, "Here's the establishment 165 00:09:50,111 --> 00:09:53,461 coming down on us, you know, for no reason at all." 166 00:09:53,593 --> 00:09:55,603 They smashed my guitar, 167 00:09:55,725 --> 00:09:57,675 looking for drugs inside of it, I guess. 168 00:09:57,814 --> 00:09:59,824 I don't know. 169 00:09:59,947 --> 00:10:03,517 They just smashed it against the wall. 170 00:10:03,646 --> 00:10:05,606 I didn't understand that. I was pretty upset. 171 00:10:07,694 --> 00:10:11,874 They took us in and then let us go. 172 00:10:13,003 --> 00:10:15,923 - In the end, they couldn't pinpoint which of them 173 00:10:16,050 --> 00:10:18,230 stole the two cars they had the warrants for, 174 00:10:18,356 --> 00:10:21,186 so they were all released. 175 00:10:21,316 --> 00:10:23,356 Charlie got a sense 176 00:10:23,492 --> 00:10:26,282 that the heat was going to come down. 177 00:10:26,408 --> 00:10:29,018 There was a lot of blood on their hands. 178 00:10:29,150 --> 00:10:31,630 ♪ 179 00:10:31,761 --> 00:10:33,981 They got together their dune buggies, 180 00:10:34,111 --> 00:10:37,551 which were outfitted with machine gun posts, 181 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:39,770 and they drove out into the desert. 182 00:10:39,900 --> 00:10:46,380 ♪ 183 00:10:46,733 --> 00:10:49,653 [clacking] 184 00:10:51,825 --> 00:10:54,515 - There was talk today about drugs and a mad killer, 185 00:10:54,654 --> 00:10:56,874 but the Los Angeles police are no closer to a solution 186 00:10:57,004 --> 00:10:58,834 of the seven killings of last weekend 187 00:10:58,962 --> 00:11:01,272 than they were then. 188 00:11:01,399 --> 00:11:02,969 - Homicide officers would not say 189 00:11:03,097 --> 00:11:05,357 the two separate murders were connected. 190 00:11:05,490 --> 00:11:07,970 They theorized the LaBianca killer may have used 191 00:11:08,102 --> 00:11:09,542 the same technique as the Bel Air killer 192 00:11:09,669 --> 00:11:12,579 to throw police off the track. 193 00:11:12,715 --> 00:11:15,325 - The LAPD made some bad mistakes 194 00:11:15,457 --> 00:11:18,367 in investigating the Tate and LaBianca killings. 195 00:11:18,503 --> 00:11:21,383 The first of which was they didn't connect 196 00:11:21,506 --> 00:11:24,546 the Tate murder to the Gary Hinman murder. 197 00:11:24,684 --> 00:11:26,694 Gary Hinman was murdered 198 00:11:26,816 --> 00:11:28,946 in the part of LA covered by the county, 199 00:11:29,079 --> 00:11:30,389 and the LaBianca and Tate killings 200 00:11:30,515 --> 00:11:32,335 were both in the city. 201 00:11:32,474 --> 00:11:36,744 LAPD didn't see the similarity and ignored it. 202 00:11:36,870 --> 00:11:39,960 - One of the detectives on the Hinman murder case, 203 00:11:40,090 --> 00:11:41,830 who later became a friend of mine, 204 00:11:41,962 --> 00:11:45,972 said that he had called LAPD 205 00:11:46,096 --> 00:11:48,706 after the Tate murders and said, 206 00:11:48,838 --> 00:11:51,538 "I think there's some similarities between 207 00:11:51,667 --> 00:11:55,017 a murder that I had out in Topanga Canyon," 208 00:11:55,149 --> 00:11:57,929 and the LAPD basically, as he put it, 209 00:11:58,065 --> 00:11:59,405 "Told me to go pound sand." 210 00:11:59,544 --> 00:12:00,944 They didn't wanna hear. 211 00:12:01,068 --> 00:12:02,978 And they, for several days, 212 00:12:03,113 --> 00:12:04,813 kept calling it a copycat murder. 213 00:12:04,941 --> 00:12:06,861 [tense music] 214 00:12:06,987 --> 00:12:09,417 ♪ 215 00:12:09,554 --> 00:12:13,734 - The police were clueless, and there were so many rumors. 216 00:12:13,863 --> 00:12:16,613 Is it a drug deal gone wrong? Is it the mafia? 217 00:12:16,736 --> 00:12:19,476 Is it the--the victims that brought these crimes 218 00:12:19,608 --> 00:12:21,998 upon themselves and they deserved it? 219 00:12:22,132 --> 00:12:23,262 Because this is the way they lived. 220 00:12:23,394 --> 00:12:25,574 They're corrupt, decadent. 221 00:12:25,701 --> 00:12:27,311 - "Yeah, well, they're devil worshippers. 222 00:12:27,442 --> 00:12:28,662 "See, he did that movie, 223 00:12:28,791 --> 00:12:29,921 "and they're getting back at him. 224 00:12:30,053 --> 00:12:31,363 "You know, 'Rosemary's Baby.' 225 00:12:31,489 --> 00:12:32,969 That's why this happened." 226 00:12:33,100 --> 00:12:37,370 It was speculation gone crazy. 227 00:12:37,495 --> 00:12:39,795 - And since there were no culprits, 228 00:12:39,933 --> 00:12:43,113 and since the murder itself was so hideous and horrendous, 229 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,030 that they thought-- they instinctively felt that 230 00:12:47,157 --> 00:12:49,937 the best way is to blame the victims 231 00:12:50,073 --> 00:12:52,903 for their own deaths. 232 00:12:53,033 --> 00:12:55,173 ♪ 233 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,169 [camera shutters clicking] 234 00:13:08,135 --> 00:13:11,085 First of all, forgive me if my words 235 00:13:11,225 --> 00:13:14,445 will be a little bit incoherent. 236 00:13:14,576 --> 00:13:18,096 The last film she made 237 00:13:18,232 --> 00:13:21,542 was not a very happy experience for her, 238 00:13:21,670 --> 00:13:24,280 but her greatest picture she was doing 239 00:13:24,412 --> 00:13:27,112 was her pregnancy. 240 00:13:27,241 --> 00:13:30,641 I never seen a woman more preoccupied with it. 241 00:13:30,766 --> 00:13:32,936 The house is open now. 242 00:13:43,735 --> 00:13:46,215 And I tell you last thing. 243 00:13:46,347 --> 00:13:51,397 There was a lot of talk about drugs and use of drugs. 244 00:13:51,526 --> 00:13:55,876 Sharon not only didn't use drugs, 245 00:13:56,009 --> 00:14:01,709 she didn't touch alcohol, she didn't smoke cigarettes. 246 00:14:01,841 --> 00:14:07,111 And facts, which will be coming out day after day 247 00:14:07,237 --> 00:14:11,977 will make ashamed a lot of newsmen 248 00:14:12,112 --> 00:14:18,292 who, for a selfish reason, 249 00:14:18,422 --> 00:14:24,042 write--unbearable for me-- horrible things about my wife. 250 00:14:24,167 --> 00:14:26,077 [unsettling music] 251 00:14:26,213 --> 00:14:28,653 I'm sorry, I must step from-- 252 00:14:28,780 --> 00:14:34,000 ♪ 253 00:14:34,134 --> 00:14:37,444 [breathing heavily] 254 00:14:46,407 --> 00:14:48,927 - I remember the coverage because I was part of it. 255 00:14:49,062 --> 00:14:51,932 Everybody and their brother was trying to figure out 256 00:14:52,065 --> 00:14:55,415 who committed these murders, why the murders had stopped, 257 00:14:55,546 --> 00:14:57,586 what was going on, 258 00:14:57,722 --> 00:15:01,342 and we all went and did these ridiculous interviews. 259 00:15:01,465 --> 00:15:04,765 They sent me to interview a-- a psychic named Peter Hurkos. 260 00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:05,954 I interviewed him after 261 00:15:06,079 --> 00:15:08,259 he went to the house with Polanski. 262 00:15:08,385 --> 00:15:12,555 I had to ask my question of his publicist, 263 00:15:12,694 --> 00:15:15,134 who would repeat my question to him. 264 00:15:15,262 --> 00:15:17,532 Then he would answer her. 265 00:15:17,655 --> 00:15:19,215 I don't know what he told Polanski, 266 00:15:19,353 --> 00:15:21,923 but if he told Polanski the same thing he told me, 267 00:15:22,051 --> 00:15:25,931 then there was no information that was useful. 268 00:15:27,317 --> 00:15:31,187 - From time to time, I wrote a news story. 269 00:15:31,321 --> 00:15:33,721 I'd go down to Parker Center 270 00:15:33,845 --> 00:15:37,545 for briefings by the police chief, 271 00:15:37,675 --> 00:15:38,755 and they'd tell us nothing, you know. 272 00:15:38,894 --> 00:15:40,244 They've interviewed people. 273 00:15:40,374 --> 00:15:43,514 They've spent 600 hours padding around, 274 00:15:43,638 --> 00:15:46,208 trying to find the killers. 275 00:15:46,336 --> 00:15:47,986 There was nothing we could write about. 276 00:15:48,121 --> 00:15:51,781 Those who had to write stories had to write with-- 277 00:15:51,907 --> 00:15:53,907 with rumors and innuendo and-- 278 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,830 and--and-- and false information. 279 00:15:56,956 --> 00:16:00,086 [light suspenseful music] 280 00:16:00,220 --> 00:16:07,440 ♪ 281 00:16:51,271 --> 00:16:53,231 ♪ 282 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,230 Roman became detective. 283 00:16:56,363 --> 00:17:00,243 He thought for a few crazy moments 284 00:17:00,367 --> 00:17:01,797 that somebody in his inner circle 285 00:17:01,933 --> 00:17:05,373 was responsible for killing Sharon. 286 00:17:05,502 --> 00:17:07,032 He thought Bruce Lee might be responsible 287 00:17:07,156 --> 00:17:09,716 because Bruce Lee was the only kind of guy 288 00:17:09,854 --> 00:17:14,344 that could kill five people singlehandedly. 289 00:17:14,468 --> 00:17:17,338 And then he thought it was John Phillips, 290 00:17:17,471 --> 00:17:21,041 and Roman knew that John Phillips knew 291 00:17:21,170 --> 00:17:23,740 that Roman had had a one-night stand 292 00:17:23,868 --> 00:17:26,998 with John's wife, Michelle, in London. 293 00:17:27,133 --> 00:17:29,923 And somehow Roman translated that into, 294 00:17:30,049 --> 00:17:34,919 "Well, he bumped off Sharon." 295 00:17:35,054 --> 00:17:37,754 Of course, it was ridiculous. 296 00:17:37,882 --> 00:17:40,932 - I was also looking for any trace of blood in-- 297 00:17:41,060 --> 00:17:44,410 in cars of people that I knew. 298 00:17:44,541 --> 00:17:47,981 I had chemicals, you know, that I could smear 299 00:17:48,110 --> 00:17:50,370 and check whether there were any traces of blood in-- 300 00:17:50,504 --> 00:17:54,864 on--on--on the pedals or steering wheel 301 00:17:54,986 --> 00:17:58,426 or seats or whatever. 302 00:17:58,555 --> 00:18:01,685 So I spent my night sometimes in the garages of my friends, 303 00:18:01,819 --> 00:18:03,469 you know, just going through those cars. 304 00:18:15,616 --> 00:18:18,356 I did think that it must have been someone who knew her. 305 00:18:18,488 --> 00:18:21,138 And as it happened, it wasn't. 306 00:18:21,274 --> 00:18:23,804 - Does that strike you now as unbalanced behavior? 307 00:18:23,928 --> 00:18:25,228 Would you say you were unbalanced at the time 308 00:18:25,365 --> 00:18:28,755 from grief or shock? 309 00:18:28,890 --> 00:18:30,760 - Yes, I think I was unbalanced, yeah. 310 00:18:35,984 --> 00:18:38,684 [clacking] 311 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:43,910 [soft dramatic music] 312 00:18:44,035 --> 00:18:50,685 ♪ 313 00:18:51,260 --> 00:18:54,440 [bird squawking] 314 00:18:54,568 --> 00:18:56,828 - After that raid at Spahn Ranch, 315 00:18:56,961 --> 00:18:57,831 we had to start over. 316 00:19:01,705 --> 00:19:05,835 We were filling up barrels with food, water, gasoline, 317 00:19:05,970 --> 00:19:08,280 and we were taking them up to the desert. 318 00:19:10,540 --> 00:19:13,630 We were surviving the coming doom, 319 00:19:13,761 --> 00:19:14,761 and I believed that. 320 00:19:14,892 --> 00:19:16,372 I believed it was gonna happen. 321 00:19:16,503 --> 00:19:19,113 [camera focus clicking] 322 00:19:19,245 --> 00:19:21,325 - We were hiding out in the desert, 323 00:19:21,464 --> 00:19:24,994 and I was afraid. 324 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:28,120 On the other hand, I still, you know, was vulnerable, 325 00:19:28,254 --> 00:19:30,304 and I wanted Charlie's approval. 326 00:19:32,606 --> 00:19:35,386 We're working at Barker Ranch at night 327 00:19:35,522 --> 00:19:39,312 and do laundry and cook and dig lookouts. 328 00:19:41,180 --> 00:19:44,490 At dawn, we would go back about-- 329 00:19:44,618 --> 00:19:48,058 probably about two miles behind the ranch. 330 00:19:48,187 --> 00:19:49,487 There were several vehicles, 331 00:19:49,623 --> 00:19:52,193 but the girls would follow behind the vehicles 332 00:19:52,321 --> 00:19:55,671 and wipe away the tire tracks with willow branches. 333 00:19:55,803 --> 00:19:58,113 ♪ 334 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,030 And we would stay under these sand-colored parachutes. 335 00:20:02,157 --> 00:20:04,417 [dark music] 336 00:20:04,551 --> 00:20:08,421 The day was basically spent sleeping. 337 00:20:08,555 --> 00:20:09,985 Maybe if it wasn't too hot, 338 00:20:10,121 --> 00:20:11,821 looking for the bottomless pit. 339 00:20:11,949 --> 00:20:15,429 ♪ 340 00:20:15,562 --> 00:20:18,872 We came back, and our path was blocked 341 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,130 with all these boulders, and Charlie was so mad. 342 00:20:22,264 --> 00:20:26,534 When we finally got over that, here's this big road grader. 343 00:20:26,660 --> 00:20:29,010 So I think it was he and Tex and Bruce Davis 344 00:20:29,140 --> 00:20:31,530 that took the gas from the jeep, 345 00:20:31,665 --> 00:20:35,355 emptied the gas onto the tires, and lit it. 346 00:20:35,495 --> 00:20:39,885 ♪ 347 00:20:43,111 --> 00:20:46,251 - While at Barker's Ranch, 348 00:20:46,375 --> 00:20:48,415 a man named Paul Crockett and another 349 00:20:48,551 --> 00:20:49,291 drove into the yard. 350 00:20:51,772 --> 00:20:56,562 - On the night that I arrived, I met Brooks Poston. 351 00:20:56,690 --> 00:20:59,560 They were living in the big house on the ranch. 352 00:20:59,693 --> 00:21:01,263 We would go and stay in the cabin 353 00:21:01,390 --> 00:21:04,870 that was just to the left of the house. 354 00:21:05,002 --> 00:21:06,572 We would sit in the evenings and talk, 355 00:21:06,700 --> 00:21:10,310 and we began to learn and hear about Charlie. 356 00:21:11,618 --> 00:21:13,528 - Paul had offered me a job 357 00:21:13,663 --> 00:21:15,063 to go up and down the mountains 358 00:21:15,186 --> 00:21:17,576 and to help him get gold ore 359 00:21:17,711 --> 00:21:19,891 down from some mines that they had in that area. 360 00:21:22,106 --> 00:21:23,886 - I got Brooks to go and work with me, 361 00:21:24,021 --> 00:21:26,891 and then Paul Watkins came. 362 00:21:27,024 --> 00:21:28,854 Every day we would go and inspect 363 00:21:28,983 --> 00:21:31,333 old mine sites, old diggings, 364 00:21:31,464 --> 00:21:34,604 and I could explain to them what Charlie was doing. 365 00:21:34,728 --> 00:21:36,898 That it was ridiculous, it was idiotic, 366 00:21:37,034 --> 00:21:41,564 that it had no value whatsoever to them. 367 00:21:41,691 --> 00:21:43,431 And they decided to quit Charlie 368 00:21:43,563 --> 00:21:45,093 and come and go with me. 369 00:21:45,216 --> 00:21:49,606 ♪ 370 00:21:49,743 --> 00:21:51,353 - And later on, when Charlie and the crew 371 00:21:51,484 --> 00:21:55,974 came back up to the desert when we were there, 372 00:21:56,097 --> 00:21:58,267 I watched him and Crockett 373 00:21:58,404 --> 00:22:02,324 do this little dance of the gurus. 374 00:22:02,451 --> 00:22:05,631 It just seemed to me that--that Paul's stuff 375 00:22:05,759 --> 00:22:09,459 packed more reality than Charlie's. 376 00:22:09,589 --> 00:22:11,069 That was my way out. 377 00:22:11,199 --> 00:22:12,979 [fire crackling] 378 00:22:13,114 --> 00:22:15,124 [coyote yipping] 379 00:22:15,246 --> 00:22:17,336 - I had no one to go back to, 380 00:22:17,466 --> 00:22:19,556 and everybody else had given up their families. 381 00:22:19,686 --> 00:22:21,506 So what do you go back to if you think 382 00:22:21,644 --> 00:22:23,564 that everyone else is gonna die? 383 00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:26,260 [ominous music] 384 00:22:26,388 --> 00:22:28,218 We were everything to each other, 385 00:22:28,347 --> 00:22:30,647 and it's hard to give that up 386 00:22:30,784 --> 00:22:33,534 when things go completely dark. 387 00:22:33,656 --> 00:22:36,086 [indistinct singing] 388 00:22:38,661 --> 00:22:39,581 - We were up in the desert. 389 00:22:39,706 --> 00:22:43,666 I think we'd taken LSD. 390 00:22:43,797 --> 00:22:47,097 The girls started telling me what they did. 391 00:22:47,235 --> 00:22:49,755 [faint indistinct singing] 392 00:22:52,414 --> 00:22:54,594 I mean, they were, like, bragging, 393 00:22:54,721 --> 00:22:57,161 and they were almost gleeful 394 00:22:57,288 --> 00:22:59,028 that they had done this for Charlie. 395 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:00,550 [faint groaning] 396 00:23:00,683 --> 00:23:02,603 [indistinct chatter] 397 00:23:02,729 --> 00:23:05,039 Sadie, Susan Atkins, told me 398 00:23:05,166 --> 00:23:08,556 how Sharon begged for the life of her baby. 399 00:23:08,691 --> 00:23:12,351 [faint laughter] 400 00:23:12,478 --> 00:23:16,698 And it was--it was just, you know, her-- 401 00:23:16,830 --> 00:23:20,700 unbelievable that they could talk about it, 402 00:23:20,834 --> 00:23:24,144 the--these horrendous events, the way they did. 403 00:23:24,272 --> 00:23:26,712 [laughter, indistinct chatter] 404 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,710 The girls had told me, Tex had told me, 405 00:23:29,843 --> 00:23:33,723 "I did this. Charlie told me to." 406 00:23:33,847 --> 00:23:36,067 The whole time, you know, I was afraid to leave 407 00:23:36,197 --> 00:23:37,677 because I was afraid that they would kill me, 408 00:23:37,807 --> 00:23:40,547 'cause now I knew this horrible secret. 409 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:47,080 ♪ 410 00:23:53,388 --> 00:23:55,218 - The dream that I had about the hippie commune 411 00:23:55,346 --> 00:23:57,696 that we were gonna live on wasn't-- 412 00:23:57,827 --> 00:24:00,917 wasn't-- wasn't what I signed up for. 413 00:24:01,048 --> 00:24:03,788 [foreboding music] 414 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,180 For some reason or another, I probably got the feeling 415 00:24:05,313 --> 00:24:07,753 that Kitty wanted out too. 416 00:24:07,881 --> 00:24:09,581 Maybe the fact that we were both pregnant. 417 00:24:09,709 --> 00:24:11,489 ♪ 418 00:24:11,624 --> 00:24:13,674 We would talk about all the things we were missing. 419 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,060 Thanksgiving dinners. 420 00:24:16,193 --> 00:24:18,593 We'd talk about Baskin-Robbins ice cream. 421 00:24:21,895 --> 00:24:25,155 And then one night, we just decided, "This is it." 422 00:24:25,289 --> 00:24:28,419 [animal howls] 423 00:24:28,554 --> 00:24:30,434 And that night, when we went to bed, 424 00:24:30,556 --> 00:24:32,336 we made sure that we were sleeping 425 00:24:32,471 --> 00:24:35,521 a little bit further away from everybody else 426 00:24:35,648 --> 00:24:39,258 so that we could sneak away without them hearing us. 427 00:24:39,390 --> 00:24:41,650 I don't even think we had shoes. 428 00:24:41,784 --> 00:24:43,964 We snuck off. 429 00:24:44,091 --> 00:24:47,491 ♪ 430 00:24:47,616 --> 00:24:50,786 And we decided to head to the top of a wash 431 00:24:50,924 --> 00:24:54,494 and walk along the top of a wash. 432 00:24:54,623 --> 00:24:59,413 We'd been gone about an hour walking, 433 00:24:59,541 --> 00:25:03,281 and we could see they had started up the dune buggies, 434 00:25:03,414 --> 00:25:07,294 and they were out looking for us. 435 00:25:07,418 --> 00:25:09,328 We were up high, and they had to be down low. 436 00:25:09,464 --> 00:25:12,214 The dune buggies couldn't go to the top of the wash. 437 00:25:15,731 --> 00:25:17,301 Scared to death. 438 00:25:17,428 --> 00:25:19,738 ♪ 439 00:25:19,866 --> 00:25:21,476 - Charlie had us all beating the bushes 440 00:25:21,607 --> 00:25:25,047 for these girls into the late night. 441 00:25:25,175 --> 00:25:27,175 I was terrified. 442 00:25:27,308 --> 00:25:29,178 At that point, I didn't know what happened to them. 443 00:25:29,310 --> 00:25:30,570 They just disappeared. 444 00:25:34,315 --> 00:25:36,835 - And we walked through the night. 445 00:25:36,970 --> 00:25:39,490 We finally found a road, and there was a sheriff 446 00:25:39,625 --> 00:25:41,235 that just happened to be going by, 447 00:25:41,365 --> 00:25:43,275 and we flagged him down. 448 00:25:43,411 --> 00:25:47,501 He took us to Inyokern jail. 449 00:25:47,633 --> 00:25:50,903 We got out of there just in time. 450 00:25:51,027 --> 00:25:53,417 - I felt the vibe that if they had been found, 451 00:25:53,552 --> 00:25:56,252 that they would've been killed. 452 00:25:56,380 --> 00:25:59,690 They knew what had happened too. 453 00:25:59,819 --> 00:26:02,389 ♪ 454 00:26:02,517 --> 00:26:05,217 [coyote yipping] 455 00:26:05,346 --> 00:26:07,216 Tex, at some point in the desert, 456 00:26:07,348 --> 00:26:10,178 he, like, disappeared. 457 00:26:10,307 --> 00:26:13,397 They had escaped, and I had wanted to, 458 00:26:13,528 --> 00:26:15,748 but I just felt like, "Where would I go?" 459 00:26:15,878 --> 00:26:18,708 [somber music] 460 00:26:18,838 --> 00:26:25,318 ♪ 461 00:26:27,281 --> 00:26:29,371 I was washing my hair 462 00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:31,420 at the sink inside Barker Ranch, 463 00:26:31,546 --> 00:26:33,366 and the door just slams open, 464 00:26:33,504 --> 00:26:35,204 and I've got a gun pointed at me, 465 00:26:35,332 --> 00:26:37,642 you know, "Put your hands up." 466 00:26:37,770 --> 00:26:41,210 And Charlie, like, in the blink of an eye, he's gone. 467 00:26:41,338 --> 00:26:44,388 [indistinct radio chatter] 468 00:26:44,515 --> 00:26:46,295 And I could hear the walkie-talkies. 469 00:26:46,430 --> 00:26:47,820 I--you know, I could see that it was-- 470 00:26:47,954 --> 00:26:49,744 that it was the sheriff. 471 00:26:52,741 --> 00:26:56,481 And they found Charlie hiding under this tiny, 472 00:26:56,615 --> 00:26:59,305 tiny little bath vanity. 473 00:26:59,443 --> 00:27:02,883 Somehow he managed to squeeze in there, 474 00:27:03,012 --> 00:27:04,192 but I guess some of his hair was-- 475 00:27:04,318 --> 00:27:06,488 was showing up out of the door. 476 00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:08,835 [indistinct radio chatter] 477 00:27:08,975 --> 00:27:10,925 They sent us all outside, 478 00:27:11,064 --> 00:27:13,764 and they put everybody in pickup trucks. 479 00:27:13,893 --> 00:27:17,423 ♪ 480 00:27:17,548 --> 00:27:22,078 And they took us to Independence 481 00:27:22,205 --> 00:27:25,635 on charges of grand larceny, of burning this road grader. 482 00:27:33,477 --> 00:27:34,907 - We have been watching these 483 00:27:35,044 --> 00:27:37,964 so-called hippies for some time, 484 00:27:38,091 --> 00:27:41,661 and they live like animals, not like people. 485 00:27:41,790 --> 00:27:45,270 The food that they had stashed was candy. 486 00:27:45,402 --> 00:27:48,452 Not what I would call staple food 487 00:27:48,579 --> 00:27:50,489 such as potatoes, beans, and whatnot. 488 00:27:50,625 --> 00:27:52,925 It was mostly candy. 489 00:27:53,062 --> 00:27:56,502 And this is for-- for my opinion only. 490 00:27:56,631 --> 00:27:59,981 I think carbohydrates or sugar is our bigger-- 491 00:28:00,113 --> 00:28:02,993 bigger menace right now than marijuana will ever be. 492 00:28:03,116 --> 00:28:06,336 They have a great desire to run around in the nude, 493 00:28:06,467 --> 00:28:09,377 both men and females. 494 00:28:09,513 --> 00:28:12,783 In the jail here, we gave them jail clothes, 495 00:28:12,908 --> 00:28:16,388 and the matron tells me that whenever she had to have one 496 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,000 come out for interrogation or to see the lawyer, 497 00:28:19,132 --> 00:28:21,612 why, you had to wait to put their clothes on. 498 00:28:21,743 --> 00:28:25,923 - Sheriff, does Manson seem to be the leader of these people 499 00:28:26,052 --> 00:28:27,972 even while they're behind bars, 500 00:28:28,097 --> 00:28:29,927 the ones that you still have here? 501 00:28:30,056 --> 00:28:32,706 - Well, apparently, ye-- he is, 502 00:28:32,841 --> 00:28:35,631 but I'm not so sure that Manson is the leader. 503 00:28:35,757 --> 00:28:37,667 I don't believe-- I'm not so sure 504 00:28:37,803 --> 00:28:41,423 that this is the right man, Manson. 505 00:28:41,545 --> 00:28:44,325 [indistinct chatter] 506 00:28:44,461 --> 00:28:48,381 ♪ 507 00:28:48,509 --> 00:28:51,819 [clacking] 508 00:28:53,035 --> 00:28:55,995 - All the girls are in the same cell together, 509 00:28:56,125 --> 00:28:59,425 and then Susan gets taken to LA 510 00:28:59,563 --> 00:29:02,393 because she had a warrant out for her arrest. 511 00:29:02,523 --> 00:29:05,533 [ominous music] 512 00:29:05,656 --> 00:29:08,396 - I was in a dormitory in prison 513 00:29:08,529 --> 00:29:13,189 with quite a few people, and Susan Atkins 514 00:29:13,316 --> 00:29:16,796 slept about, I believe it was three to five beds up from me, 515 00:29:16,929 --> 00:29:20,579 and for some reason, which to this day I'll never know, 516 00:29:20,715 --> 00:29:25,015 she started talking to me and got friendly with me. 517 00:29:25,154 --> 00:29:27,504 We were talking, and she mentioned, 518 00:29:27,635 --> 00:29:31,325 did I know about the killings of Benedict Canyon? 519 00:29:31,465 --> 00:29:32,675 And I said, "Why?" 520 00:29:32,814 --> 00:29:34,994 And she says that she was the one 521 00:29:35,121 --> 00:29:37,211 that--that did the killings. 522 00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:40,080 Well, truthfully, I thought she was a little ding-a-linger, 523 00:29:40,213 --> 00:29:42,913 there was something wrong or on drugs or something. 524 00:29:45,174 --> 00:29:46,964 She didn't know it, naturally, 525 00:29:47,089 --> 00:29:50,089 but I had been in that house. 526 00:29:50,223 --> 00:29:54,143 I had almost decided to rent that house. 527 00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:58,750 So I started questioning her, and when she described to me 528 00:29:58,884 --> 00:30:02,024 about the beams in the living room, 529 00:30:02,148 --> 00:30:06,368 I knew then that she had been there. 530 00:30:07,544 --> 00:30:09,854 I had to speak up. I had to say something. 531 00:30:09,982 --> 00:30:13,862 ♪ 532 00:30:13,986 --> 00:30:16,506 - Sharon Tate, a beautiful, young motion picture actress, 533 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,120 and four of her friends were murdered last August 534 00:30:19,252 --> 00:30:21,692 in the sumptuous Hollywood mansion rented by her 535 00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:25,130 and her directing--director husband Roman Polanski. 536 00:30:25,258 --> 00:30:26,388 The police have been looking for the murderer 537 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,520 or murderers ever since, 538 00:30:28,652 --> 00:30:31,482 and up until today, they had had no luck. 539 00:30:31,612 --> 00:30:34,882 But today, there was a dramatic break in the case. 540 00:30:35,007 --> 00:30:37,267 - Police apparently got their break in the Tate case 541 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,190 when this girl, Susan Atkins, a member of Manson's family, 542 00:30:40,316 --> 00:30:42,836 was arrested in another Los Angeles murder 543 00:30:42,971 --> 00:30:45,371 and talked to a cellmate about the Tate killings. 544 00:30:45,495 --> 00:30:47,105 - It was like, "What?" 545 00:30:47,236 --> 00:30:50,236 Where did these people come from? 546 00:30:50,370 --> 00:30:54,160 You couldn't conceive of hippies committing murders. 547 00:30:54,287 --> 00:30:58,197 I--I mean, that would be-- "Oh, you're crazy. 548 00:30:58,334 --> 00:31:00,994 The love children? They would never kill anybody." 549 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,950 ♪ 550 00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:07,129 - The wandering band of members of a so-called religious cult 551 00:31:07,256 --> 00:31:09,556 with a leader they called Jesus 552 00:31:09,693 --> 00:31:12,703 has had three of its followers arrested in the investigation 553 00:31:12,827 --> 00:31:16,217 of the murder of Sharon Tate and six others. 554 00:31:16,352 --> 00:31:19,182 Those arrested are two women and one man, 555 00:31:19,312 --> 00:31:20,882 and the Los Angeles police said that they would ask 556 00:31:21,009 --> 00:31:25,099 murder indictments against several others. 557 00:31:25,231 --> 00:31:27,581 - Charles D. Watson was the kind of boy 558 00:31:27,711 --> 00:31:29,371 a community like Copeville could be proud of, 559 00:31:29,496 --> 00:31:31,496 until yesterday. 560 00:31:31,628 --> 00:31:33,888 Yesterday, it was learned that Watson, 561 00:31:34,022 --> 00:31:35,982 who once taught Sunday School in this church 562 00:31:36,111 --> 00:31:38,941 and who worked behind his father's country store counter 563 00:31:39,071 --> 00:31:42,941 had been arrested in McKinney, charged with the brutal, 564 00:31:43,075 --> 00:31:45,685 ritualistic slaying of Hollywood actress Sharon Tate 565 00:31:45,816 --> 00:31:47,506 and four other persons. 566 00:31:47,644 --> 00:31:51,214 ♪ 567 00:31:51,344 --> 00:31:53,224 - The Family left the Spahn Movie Ranch 568 00:31:53,346 --> 00:31:56,776 in the early fall after the Tate Murders. 569 00:31:56,915 --> 00:31:58,565 The Family set up another camp 570 00:31:58,699 --> 00:32:00,789 in the desert near Death Valley. 571 00:32:00,919 --> 00:32:03,699 Five members are now in jail on other charges 572 00:32:03,834 --> 00:32:05,714 in the desert town of Independence. 573 00:32:05,836 --> 00:32:07,576 The Family's leader, Charles Manson, 574 00:32:07,708 --> 00:32:09,228 is jailed here. 575 00:32:09,362 --> 00:32:10,752 It is expected that he will be charged 576 00:32:10,885 --> 00:32:12,575 in the Tate murders. 577 00:32:12,713 --> 00:32:15,673 [unsettling music] 578 00:32:15,803 --> 00:32:18,893 - People who lived with Manson on the ranch and in the desert 579 00:32:19,024 --> 00:32:21,504 deny that they were a violent group. 580 00:32:21,635 --> 00:32:23,635 - We was just playing. 581 00:32:23,767 --> 00:32:26,637 That's what the whole thing is, that we--we were-- 582 00:32:26,770 --> 00:32:29,080 all we was doing out there was playing, or you know... 583 00:32:29,208 --> 00:32:31,168 ♪ 584 00:32:31,297 --> 00:32:32,727 - Manson was arrested 585 00:32:32,863 --> 00:32:34,953 during a raid last month at the desert camp 586 00:32:35,083 --> 00:32:37,353 where he and his young followers were living. 587 00:32:37,477 --> 00:32:39,607 Some of the girls from the camp were spectators 588 00:32:39,740 --> 00:32:41,660 in court today during his preliminary hearing 589 00:32:41,785 --> 00:32:43,865 on charges of auto theft 590 00:32:44,005 --> 00:32:45,955 and concealing stolen property found in the camp. 591 00:32:50,751 --> 00:32:53,581 - He seems to be a-- a deep person, philosophical. 592 00:32:56,670 --> 00:32:58,850 Yeah. Friendly person. 593 00:32:58,977 --> 00:33:00,757 I don't know at this time 594 00:33:00,891 --> 00:33:03,631 that he is a leader of any particular group. 595 00:33:03,764 --> 00:33:07,294 ♪ 596 00:33:07,420 --> 00:33:09,600 - Among his followers, members of the Family, 597 00:33:09,726 --> 00:33:11,156 Manson is regarded as a saint. 598 00:33:11,293 --> 00:33:13,823 Many call him Jesus. 599 00:33:13,948 --> 00:33:16,338 Police view him somewhat differently, 600 00:33:16,472 --> 00:33:19,432 as a dangerous ex-convict with a long record, 601 00:33:19,562 --> 00:33:22,002 who may have masterminded the Tate killings and others. 602 00:33:26,569 --> 00:33:29,049 [clacking] 603 00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:35,190 [helicopter rotors thrumming] 604 00:33:35,317 --> 00:33:38,147 [tense music] 605 00:33:38,277 --> 00:33:44,807 ♪ 606 00:33:44,935 --> 00:33:47,545 [indistinct chatter] 607 00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:02,869 - All of us girls got sent to testify, you know, 608 00:34:02,997 --> 00:34:05,037 for the indictments of the grand jury. 609 00:34:06,479 --> 00:34:09,919 And it wasn't until then, when I was standing 610 00:34:10,048 --> 00:34:12,268 before the bailiff, just ready to, you know, 611 00:34:12,398 --> 00:34:18,878 enter the grand jury to be questioned, 612 00:34:19,013 --> 00:34:21,803 and he asked me what my name is, and I--I said, 613 00:34:21,929 --> 00:34:24,279 "I'm--I'm-- my name is Dianne Lake. 614 00:34:24,410 --> 00:34:27,330 "I'm 16, and I want my mommy. 615 00:34:27,456 --> 00:34:28,716 "I want--" you know, I was, like-- 616 00:34:28,849 --> 00:34:32,419 I suddenly woke up to, 617 00:34:32,548 --> 00:34:35,288 "I'm in--I'm in deep doo-doo here, and I want out, 618 00:34:35,421 --> 00:34:36,771 and you know, help me." 619 00:34:46,475 --> 00:34:48,385 They made me a ward of the court, 620 00:34:48,521 --> 00:34:52,131 and they sent me for 90 days observational 621 00:34:52,264 --> 00:34:56,964 at a mental health institute in San Bernardino County. 622 00:34:57,095 --> 00:34:58,965 And that--that turned out to be a good thing. 623 00:34:59,097 --> 00:35:01,397 You know, I was protected in a-- 624 00:35:01,534 --> 00:35:03,584 in a--in a safe environment that was nurturing. 625 00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:06,450 ♪ 626 00:35:06,582 --> 00:35:09,462 - It took the grand jury just 20 minutes to agree 627 00:35:09,585 --> 00:35:11,975 that six members of the hippie tribe should be indicted 628 00:35:12,110 --> 00:35:13,980 in the Sharon Tate murders 629 00:35:14,112 --> 00:35:17,292 and those of a supermarket owner and his wife. 630 00:35:17,419 --> 00:35:18,899 - Shocking. Very shocking. 631 00:35:19,029 --> 00:35:21,509 It was a terrible group of murders. 632 00:35:21,641 --> 00:35:25,251 It was probably the worst in the history of California. 633 00:35:25,384 --> 00:35:27,564 - Pardon me. 634 00:35:27,690 --> 00:35:30,390 - Was it the testimony of Susan Atkins that really cinched it? 635 00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:32,779 - Well, that certainly was a part of it. 636 00:35:37,222 --> 00:35:39,792 - Susan Atkins, who told the shocking story of the crimes, 637 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,440 was one of those indicted. 638 00:35:41,574 --> 00:35:44,234 Her lawyers say she was hypnotized. 639 00:35:44,359 --> 00:35:47,279 Her father, who didn't want to be identified, disagrees. 640 00:35:49,147 --> 00:35:51,407 - I think they're all on dope. 641 00:35:51,540 --> 00:35:54,150 And if you get under enough dope, 642 00:35:54,282 --> 00:35:57,942 you can be involved in almost anything. 643 00:35:58,068 --> 00:36:01,418 [indistinct chatter] 644 00:36:01,550 --> 00:36:03,510 - Do you plan to stand by her side 645 00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:07,379 in what undoubtedly will be the trial which she faces? 646 00:36:07,513 --> 00:36:08,303 - I don't know how to stand by her side. 647 00:36:08,427 --> 00:36:09,647 I lost her. 648 00:36:20,569 --> 00:36:22,529 - Susan Atkins, Leslie Van Houten, 649 00:36:22,658 --> 00:36:25,488 and Linda Kasabian, who is five months pregnant, 650 00:36:25,618 --> 00:36:28,448 were the first Tate suspects called into court. 651 00:36:28,577 --> 00:36:30,447 Each were given more time 652 00:36:30,579 --> 00:36:32,629 to enter a plea on murder charges. 653 00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:41,550 - I was 23 or 24 during the Manson trial. 654 00:36:41,677 --> 00:36:44,197 I was covering the biggest trial in the country 655 00:36:44,332 --> 00:36:47,382 for the world's largest news-gathering agency. 656 00:36:47,509 --> 00:36:49,859 [solemn music] 657 00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:53,430 I was not much older than they were, 658 00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:55,169 and I was looking at them and thinking, 659 00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:58,910 "There but for the grace of God." 660 00:36:59,042 --> 00:37:02,262 What if I had been dragged into some cult like this? 661 00:37:02,394 --> 00:37:05,534 ♪ 662 00:37:05,658 --> 00:37:07,178 - The interest in this trial has been created 663 00:37:07,312 --> 00:37:09,882 by the 60 reporters who cover it. 664 00:37:10,010 --> 00:37:12,100 Each recess, they rush from their assigned seats 665 00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:14,930 in the courtroom to their newly installed telephones 666 00:37:15,058 --> 00:37:18,018 across the hall to tell the world the latest happening. 667 00:37:18,148 --> 00:37:19,928 - In those days they allowed the press 668 00:37:20,063 --> 00:37:23,683 into the hallways of the old Hall of Justice, 669 00:37:23,806 --> 00:37:28,286 and every camera crew in town was up there along with us. 670 00:37:30,683 --> 00:37:34,563 Manson was brought in for arraignment. 671 00:37:34,687 --> 00:37:36,987 And finally, down a long hallway 672 00:37:37,124 --> 00:37:38,914 comes this little figure. 673 00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:45,829 ♪ 674 00:38:01,627 --> 00:38:05,587 And the camera crews went crazy. 675 00:38:05,718 --> 00:38:07,938 And they were pushing forward against each other 676 00:38:08,068 --> 00:38:10,638 to get shots of him, and they knocked 677 00:38:10,766 --> 00:38:13,246 a water fountain out of the wall in the hallway, 678 00:38:13,378 --> 00:38:15,818 and the whole hallway was flooded. 679 00:38:18,078 --> 00:38:20,338 And then when you saw his picture on the cover 680 00:38:20,472 --> 00:38:23,952 of "Life" magazine with the crazy eyes and the hair, 681 00:38:24,084 --> 00:38:26,304 he looked like the devil incarnate. 682 00:38:32,832 --> 00:38:35,182 - Charles Manson, the leader of a Los Angeles cult, 683 00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:37,493 charged with eight murders, including Sharon Tate, 684 00:38:37,619 --> 00:38:40,009 was arraigned today. 685 00:38:40,143 --> 00:38:42,153 While he was in court, the police were searching 686 00:38:42,276 --> 00:38:44,016 the ranch where his group used to live, 687 00:38:44,147 --> 00:38:47,927 looking for evidence of other murders they suspect occurred. 688 00:38:48,064 --> 00:38:50,594 For one, a movie stuntman who moonlighted 689 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,639 as a beer-hall bouncer who once had an argument 690 00:38:53,766 --> 00:38:56,636 with Manson and has not been seen since. 691 00:38:56,769 --> 00:38:59,209 - Oh, I've known him for ten years or more. 692 00:38:59,337 --> 00:39:03,247 We worked together in lots of pictures and circuses. 693 00:39:03,384 --> 00:39:06,304 Shea came here to work on a picture, do some stunt work, 694 00:39:06,431 --> 00:39:09,561 and he saw the gang of hippies here. 695 00:39:09,695 --> 00:39:12,645 - Charlie Manson thought Shorty Shea 696 00:39:12,785 --> 00:39:16,175 blew the whistle on the Family for car theft. 697 00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:18,490 When the sheriffs raided the Spahn Ranch, 698 00:39:18,617 --> 00:39:21,357 Manson was furious. 699 00:39:21,489 --> 00:39:26,279 So when Charlie got released from jail, he sought revenge. 700 00:39:26,407 --> 00:39:28,577 - He was supposed to have been killed up here and buried. 701 00:39:28,714 --> 00:39:29,854 We've been trying to find him ever since 702 00:39:29,976 --> 00:39:33,586 his life was threatened and he disappeared. 703 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,629 - How do you know this? 704 00:39:35,764 --> 00:39:37,244 - That his life was threatened? 705 00:39:37,375 --> 00:39:39,415 I was here when it was threatened. 706 00:39:39,551 --> 00:39:41,551 - This area right in here is where we're going. 707 00:39:41,683 --> 00:39:44,733 [ominous music] 708 00:39:44,860 --> 00:39:46,730 - The last valiant effort to see what the boulders 709 00:39:46,862 --> 00:39:49,692 might conceal was made with plenty of resources. 710 00:39:49,822 --> 00:39:53,002 And all that work revealed was nothing. 711 00:39:53,129 --> 00:39:58,869 ♪ 712 00:39:59,005 --> 00:40:01,785 [clacking] 713 00:40:08,231 --> 00:40:10,281 - Susan Atkins had said in the "LA Times" 714 00:40:10,408 --> 00:40:13,238 that they were all bloody 715 00:40:13,367 --> 00:40:15,537 and that Charlie told them to take a change of clothes. 716 00:40:18,328 --> 00:40:21,458 The LAPD was looking for the clothes 717 00:40:21,593 --> 00:40:26,213 the Manson family members wore the night of the murder. 718 00:40:26,336 --> 00:40:29,596 And I said, "Look, let us go back to Cielo Drive. 719 00:40:29,731 --> 00:40:32,041 I've got an idea." 720 00:40:32,168 --> 00:40:34,738 ♪ 721 00:40:34,867 --> 00:40:38,827 How long will it take me to undress and redress 722 00:40:38,958 --> 00:40:41,998 in the backseat of this car, driving up in the canyon? 723 00:40:43,876 --> 00:40:46,006 That gave us an idea of where to look. 724 00:40:48,750 --> 00:40:50,270 Where we were? 725 00:40:50,404 --> 00:40:53,454 The first place you could turn off the road. 726 00:40:53,581 --> 00:40:56,501 We timed ourselves and tried to place ourselves 727 00:40:56,628 --> 00:40:58,758 in the same position that the people would've been in 728 00:40:58,891 --> 00:41:01,461 that night after they left the Tate house. 729 00:41:01,589 --> 00:41:03,719 6 minutes and 20 seconds of moderate driving 730 00:41:03,852 --> 00:41:06,732 up Benedict Canyon led us to this spot. 731 00:41:06,855 --> 00:41:09,075 And looking over the edge of this hill, 732 00:41:09,205 --> 00:41:12,335 we found several pairs of blue jeans 733 00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:16,260 and what appear to be some very dark sweatshirts. 734 00:41:16,386 --> 00:41:18,036 These shirts and the blue jeans 735 00:41:18,171 --> 00:41:19,611 appear to have stains on them. 736 00:41:19,738 --> 00:41:21,438 So without hesitation, 737 00:41:21,566 --> 00:41:24,306 I call Lieutenant Robert Helder, LAPD Homicide, 738 00:41:24,438 --> 00:41:27,438 and told him that I think we have found 739 00:41:27,572 --> 00:41:29,232 the clothes they're looking for. 740 00:41:29,356 --> 00:41:30,706 He said, "What? Where are you?" 741 00:41:30,836 --> 00:41:32,786 I said, "Wait a minute. 742 00:41:32,925 --> 00:41:34,745 "I'm gonna tell you exactly where I am, 743 00:41:34,883 --> 00:41:37,193 "but you're gonna give me a promise. 744 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,410 "You're not gonna broadcast this on any police frequency, 745 00:41:40,541 --> 00:41:42,761 "including the detective frequency, 746 00:41:42,891 --> 00:41:44,631 because everybody monitors that." 747 00:41:48,984 --> 00:41:52,474 This is where we found them. It's right down there. 748 00:41:52,597 --> 00:41:54,157 There are several pairs of blue jeans, 749 00:41:54,294 --> 00:41:58,214 and there are some black T-shirts. 750 00:41:58,341 --> 00:41:59,781 What are you going to do with the evidence now? 751 00:41:59,908 --> 00:42:01,818 - The evidence will be transported 752 00:42:01,954 --> 00:42:04,784 to scientific investigation division, 753 00:42:04,913 --> 00:42:06,183 the laboratory at Parker Center, 754 00:42:06,306 --> 00:42:09,346 and examined by experts. 755 00:42:09,483 --> 00:42:12,923 - How did you get word about this this afternoon? 756 00:42:13,052 --> 00:42:15,402 - We were notified by my boss, Lieutenant Robert Helder, 757 00:42:15,533 --> 00:42:17,323 who received a phone call from 758 00:42:17,447 --> 00:42:19,057 what I believe is Channel 7 News. 759 00:42:19,188 --> 00:42:21,798 - "Channel 7 News." 760 00:42:21,930 --> 00:42:23,760 See, he wouldn't say "Eyewitness News." 761 00:42:23,889 --> 00:42:26,369 That would've been too much of a commercial. 762 00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:29,330 [unsettling music] 763 00:42:29,459 --> 00:42:30,809 ♪ 764 00:42:30,939 --> 00:42:33,289 - Shortly after the Tate killing, 765 00:42:33,420 --> 00:42:35,470 a little kid off of Beverly Glen 766 00:42:35,596 --> 00:42:37,856 found the gun that had been used. 767 00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:40,430 And this kid was a Crime Stoppers kind of kid. 768 00:42:40,558 --> 00:42:42,818 He and his dad took the gun 769 00:42:42,951 --> 00:42:45,351 to the Van Nuys LAPD substation. 770 00:42:45,475 --> 00:42:47,905 The LAPD didn't know it had the gun. 771 00:42:48,043 --> 00:42:50,353 It was looking for the gun all these three months, 772 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,700 but it had been shelved in Van Nuys. 773 00:42:52,831 --> 00:42:54,831 So a lot of missing pieces 774 00:42:54,963 --> 00:42:57,923 could've solved the crime earlier. 775 00:42:58,053 --> 00:43:00,273 That's one of the reasons this case was so terrifying 776 00:43:00,403 --> 00:43:02,843 to the city of Los Angeles, because it took months 777 00:43:02,971 --> 00:43:05,841 before they got to the bottom of it. 778 00:43:05,974 --> 00:43:09,594 [helicopter rotors thrumming] 779 00:43:09,717 --> 00:43:11,847 - Charles Watson, one of the defendants 780 00:43:11,980 --> 00:43:13,770 in the Sharon Tate murder case, 781 00:43:13,895 --> 00:43:15,325 contended through an attorney today 782 00:43:15,462 --> 00:43:17,602 that he cannot get a fair trial in California 783 00:43:17,725 --> 00:43:20,895 and should not be extradited from Texas. 784 00:43:21,033 --> 00:43:22,773 - County attorney Tom Ryan argued, however, 785 00:43:22,904 --> 00:43:24,514 that all of the material evidence 786 00:43:24,645 --> 00:43:26,995 the defense were seeking was not germane to this case, 787 00:43:27,126 --> 00:43:30,166 and the only thing the defense was seeking was delay. 788 00:43:30,303 --> 00:43:32,353 Fingerprint experts testified 789 00:43:32,479 --> 00:43:35,439 that the same prints found in California matched those 790 00:43:35,569 --> 00:43:37,959 of Charles Watson here in McKinney. 791 00:43:38,093 --> 00:43:40,973 Judge Brown set the next hearing for February the 16th. 792 00:43:41,096 --> 00:43:43,616 This is Carl Mayo in McKinney, Channel 8 News. 793 00:43:47,973 --> 00:43:50,633 [indistinct chatter] 794 00:43:52,281 --> 00:43:54,631 [indistinct singing] 795 00:44:04,206 --> 00:44:05,506 - Turn around once girls will you? [speaks indistinctly] 796 00:44:05,643 --> 00:44:07,863 [women singing indistinctly] 797 00:44:07,993 --> 00:44:09,263 - Fine, how are you? 798 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:18,310 - Beautiful, Charlie. 799 00:44:20,919 --> 00:44:22,089 - Yup. 800 00:44:28,056 --> 00:44:30,406 - For an attorney, I have myself. 801 00:44:30,537 --> 00:44:32,667 - For an investigator, I have myself. 802 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,720 I have no police officers working for me. 803 00:44:34,846 --> 00:44:37,536 I have no access to any files. I have no equipment. 804 00:44:37,675 --> 00:44:40,495 My office is a small cell. 805 00:44:40,634 --> 00:44:43,594 I may not take law books into my cell. 806 00:44:43,724 --> 00:44:48,294 The jail law library is totally inadequate for legal research. 807 00:44:48,424 --> 00:44:50,384 I may not have a phone in my name. 808 00:44:50,513 --> 00:44:52,693 I may not receive calls. 809 00:44:52,820 --> 00:44:54,300 - Would you like to comment on the letter 810 00:44:54,430 --> 00:44:55,950 Mr. Manson has written Mr. Younger? 811 00:44:56,084 --> 00:44:57,134 - I'd like to change the baby first. 812 00:44:57,259 --> 00:44:58,959 - Okay. 813 00:44:59,087 --> 00:45:00,957 - Daye, you represent Susan Atkins? 814 00:45:01,089 --> 00:45:02,739 - That's correct. - Now, I understand 815 00:45:02,874 --> 00:45:04,924 the rumor is, and maybe you can confirm or deny it, 816 00:45:05,050 --> 00:45:08,010 that she is gonna deny that everything she said 817 00:45:08,140 --> 00:45:09,710 on the witness stand in the grand jury. 818 00:45:09,837 --> 00:45:11,707 - That's correct. She--she's gonna deny 819 00:45:11,839 --> 00:45:13,749 all of the statements made at the grand jury. 820 00:45:13,885 --> 00:45:16,535 And then they would have to dismiss the indictment. 821 00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:19,330 And they may pursue her for maybe perjury. 822 00:45:19,455 --> 00:45:20,935 But perjury's better than murder. 823 00:45:21,066 --> 00:45:22,416 - [chuckles] Thank you, Daye. 824 00:45:22,545 --> 00:45:24,585 - Is this your first case that you'll be trying? 825 00:45:24,722 --> 00:45:26,422 - Yeah, this will be the first case that I've ever tried. 826 00:45:26,549 --> 00:45:27,589 - How long have you been an attorney? 827 00:45:27,725 --> 00:45:30,075 - Just since last June. 828 00:45:30,205 --> 00:45:34,945 - Ronald Hughes was this big, kind of teddy bear guy who-- 829 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,780 you could see him wearing flowers in his hair. 830 00:45:38,910 --> 00:45:43,520 He lived in a garage which had holes in the roof, 831 00:45:43,653 --> 00:45:45,313 and those who went to visit him 832 00:45:45,438 --> 00:45:48,308 recalled the rain pouring in on him. 833 00:45:48,441 --> 00:45:50,881 Very strange, but a sweet guy. 834 00:45:51,009 --> 00:45:53,099 Everybody liked Ron. 835 00:45:53,228 --> 00:45:55,058 - Do you feel you're capable of defending him? 836 00:45:55,187 --> 00:45:57,757 - I believe that, as Mr. Manson stated earlier, 837 00:45:57,885 --> 00:46:00,925 that no man is capable of representing another. 838 00:46:01,062 --> 00:46:03,892 [dynamic music] 839 00:46:04,022 --> 00:46:06,112 ♪ 840 00:46:06,241 --> 00:46:08,721 - The district attorney's office of Los Angeles county 841 00:46:08,853 --> 00:46:13,073 has--has chosen to use the mass media 842 00:46:13,205 --> 00:46:17,555 to cast their ideas into the community. 843 00:46:17,687 --> 00:46:20,427 - Irving Kanarek was hired by Manson, 844 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,090 and Manson said, "If you don't let me defend myself, 845 00:46:24,216 --> 00:46:26,776 I'm gonna get the worst lawyer to defend me." 846 00:46:26,914 --> 00:46:29,054 And Kanarek said, "I am the worst lawyer. 847 00:46:29,177 --> 00:46:32,347 "I'm the worst lawyer when it comes to judges 848 00:46:32,485 --> 00:46:34,915 "and opposing attorneys. 849 00:46:35,053 --> 00:46:36,013 "They don't like me. 850 00:46:36,141 --> 00:46:37,451 They think I'm too effective." 851 00:46:37,577 --> 00:46:39,007 - It's bad for all of us. 852 00:46:39,144 --> 00:46:40,754 Any one of us could be accused of a crime, 853 00:46:40,885 --> 00:46:43,055 and I ask, would we like to be tried, 854 00:46:43,191 --> 00:46:45,191 or anyone that's near and dear to us-- 855 00:46:45,324 --> 00:46:47,154 would we want someone near and dear to us to be tried 856 00:46:47,282 --> 00:46:49,942 in this carnival atmosphere that we have right now? 857 00:46:50,068 --> 00:46:51,938 It's preposterous. 858 00:46:52,070 --> 00:46:54,680 [light tense music] 859 00:46:54,812 --> 00:46:56,422 - Paul Fitzgerald came in. 860 00:46:56,552 --> 00:46:59,122 He was in the public defender's office. 861 00:46:59,251 --> 00:47:01,601 He felt that Patricia Krenwinkel 862 00:47:01,731 --> 00:47:03,521 needed a good defense. 863 00:47:03,646 --> 00:47:05,466 He was forced to quit his job 864 00:47:05,605 --> 00:47:09,035 at the public defender's office to do it, and he did. 865 00:47:09,174 --> 00:47:11,794 - We also intend to meet with representatives 866 00:47:11,916 --> 00:47:13,476 of the district attorney's office, 867 00:47:13,613 --> 00:47:16,663 Mr. Aaron Stovitz and Mr. Vincent Bugliosi, 868 00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:20,840 in order to determine what witnesses, if any, 869 00:47:20,968 --> 00:47:23,538 they are going to call at the time of trial. 870 00:47:23,666 --> 00:47:25,486 - Paul was dazzling in the courtroom. 871 00:47:25,625 --> 00:47:27,705 He was basically making the decisions 872 00:47:27,845 --> 00:47:29,975 for the whole defense team. 873 00:47:30,108 --> 00:47:36,898 ♪ 874 00:47:37,028 --> 00:47:40,158 - By then, there had been a whole mythology-- 875 00:47:40,292 --> 00:47:43,862 had already built up about the Manson family. 876 00:47:43,991 --> 00:47:46,991 Everybody was waiting to hear what this group was all about. 877 00:47:55,176 --> 00:47:57,566 - ♪ KHJ Weather 878 00:47:57,700 --> 00:47:59,750 - Mostly sunny today, a little warmer with a high of 77. 879 00:47:59,877 --> 00:48:00,747 There will be light smog. 880 00:48:00,878 --> 00:48:03,578 Currently 64 in Hollywood. 881 00:48:04,577 --> 00:48:07,667 - On June 15th, the case will be called. 882 00:48:07,797 --> 00:48:09,707 The court will ask if all sides are ready, 883 00:48:09,843 --> 00:48:12,113 and then right then and there the jury will be summoned, 884 00:48:12,237 --> 00:48:14,107 and for the next several weeks, 885 00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,019 we will be in the process of selecting a jury. 886 00:48:19,113 --> 00:48:22,513 - We were sitting in the jury assembly room in Los Angeles. 887 00:48:22,638 --> 00:48:24,768 The jury commissioner came out and said, 888 00:48:24,902 --> 00:48:28,122 "Will the following names that I draw out of this drum 889 00:48:28,253 --> 00:48:30,913 please go with all these cops?" 890 00:48:31,038 --> 00:48:35,908 And that got my suspicions up, and anyway, 891 00:48:36,043 --> 00:48:38,923 my name was the first one drawn out of the hopper. 892 00:48:42,832 --> 00:48:44,832 They took us in a black and white prisoner bus 893 00:48:44,965 --> 00:48:48,615 over to the Hall of Justice, went down by the morgue, 894 00:48:48,751 --> 00:48:51,231 up the freight elevator, down a back hall, 895 00:48:51,363 --> 00:48:52,893 into the back of the courtroom, 896 00:48:53,017 --> 00:48:56,147 where it was just full of people. 897 00:48:56,281 --> 00:48:57,721 Still didn't know what was going on, 898 00:48:57,847 --> 00:48:59,197 and the judge came out and said 899 00:48:59,327 --> 00:49:03,767 this is the People vs. Charles Manson, Susan Atkins, 900 00:49:03,897 --> 00:49:07,677 Patricia Krenwinkel, and Leslie Van Houten. 901 00:49:07,814 --> 00:49:12,214 - Tex Watson managed to dodge extradition for almost a year, 902 00:49:12,340 --> 00:49:15,870 and he finally had his own trial later. 903 00:49:15,996 --> 00:49:18,866 - It could take four or five months just to get a jury 904 00:49:18,999 --> 00:49:20,699 because the attorneys, all six of them, 905 00:49:20,827 --> 00:49:22,607 are going to be very selective. 906 00:49:22,742 --> 00:49:24,832 Because the people picked are going to have to know 907 00:49:24,962 --> 00:49:27,182 that once the trial begins, they're going to spend 908 00:49:27,312 --> 00:49:31,272 every night locked up in a hotel room. 909 00:49:31,403 --> 00:49:33,843 - During jury selection, my company let me know that, 910 00:49:33,971 --> 00:49:35,841 "We can't pay you for that trial. 911 00:49:35,973 --> 00:49:37,763 That's gonna go a long time." 912 00:49:37,887 --> 00:49:39,587 And the judge says, "Well, let me just write 913 00:49:39,715 --> 00:49:41,795 a little letter to the company." 914 00:49:41,935 --> 00:49:43,755 They should be proud to have their employee 915 00:49:43,893 --> 00:49:46,553 serve on jury duty, and that they should pay me. 916 00:49:46,679 --> 00:49:49,289 And they did. 917 00:49:49,421 --> 00:49:50,941 - There will be few spectators in court 918 00:49:51,075 --> 00:49:52,765 while the jury is being selected. 919 00:49:52,902 --> 00:49:54,692 The room will be filled with newsmen 920 00:49:54,817 --> 00:49:56,117 who have been assigned seats. 921 00:49:58,430 --> 00:50:01,130 Some of Manson's followers tried to get in today. 922 00:50:01,259 --> 00:50:03,479 They were turned away. 923 00:50:06,438 --> 00:50:07,218 - Would you like to be on the Manson jury? 924 00:50:07,352 --> 00:50:10,362 - No. - Why not? 925 00:50:10,485 --> 00:50:14,395 - Because I think that no jury could really do a good job 926 00:50:14,533 --> 00:50:17,453 because it's--it's been sort of exploited and messed up 927 00:50:17,579 --> 00:50:19,929 by the--you know, by the media, by the newspapers, and by TV, 928 00:50:20,060 --> 00:50:22,190 and they've just made too much out of it, you know? 929 00:50:22,323 --> 00:50:23,983 - Manson jury? 930 00:50:24,108 --> 00:50:25,848 No, I wouldn't wanna be on that jury. 931 00:50:25,979 --> 00:50:29,419 - Why not? - Because I feel he's guilty. 932 00:50:29,548 --> 00:50:31,378 - This is one I don't want to have anything to do with. 933 00:50:31,506 --> 00:50:33,466 This is one I don't want to have anything to do with. 934 00:50:36,294 --> 00:50:38,824 [low suspenseful music] 935 00:50:38,948 --> 00:50:42,688 ♪ 936 00:50:42,822 --> 00:50:45,432 [indistinct chatter] 937 00:50:55,487 --> 00:50:57,357 - I don't accept the whole situation, you know. 938 00:50:57,489 --> 00:50:59,749 Like, I was in the desert minding my business. 939 00:51:01,884 --> 00:51:03,634 This confusion belongs to you. 940 00:51:03,756 --> 00:51:04,926 It's your confusion. 941 00:51:05,062 --> 00:51:06,632 I don't have any confusion. 942 00:51:06,759 --> 00:51:08,369 I don't have any guilt. 943 00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:10,590 I know what I've done, and no man can judge me. 944 00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,419 I judge me. - Next. 945 00:51:13,548 --> 00:51:15,588 - I've stayed in the desert and run with the coyotes 946 00:51:15,724 --> 00:51:17,474 and ate off the plants 947 00:51:17,596 --> 00:51:20,426 and found out you can live out there without this society. 948 00:51:20,555 --> 00:51:23,075 And that's where I'd like to go live, you know? 949 00:51:25,386 --> 00:51:27,036 Owe them anything? 950 00:51:27,171 --> 00:51:31,091 I've paid with 22 years of my life. 951 00:51:31,218 --> 00:51:33,958 You know, I'm the other end of your society. 952 00:51:34,091 --> 00:51:37,141 You know, so you can ride your bicycles and do your thing. 953 00:51:37,268 --> 00:51:40,968 I've lived in your reform schools and your orphanages. 954 00:51:41,098 --> 00:51:43,398 - Do you feel good feelings towards the judge-- 955 00:51:43,535 --> 00:51:46,405 - I feel a little nervous-- a little nervous. 956 00:51:46,538 --> 00:51:47,968 I feel good feelings towards everything. 957 00:51:48,105 --> 00:51:52,365 I feel no bad. I know no bad. 958 00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:54,290 - Okay, gentlemen, that's about it. 959 00:51:54,415 --> 00:51:54,935 - Thank you for your cooperation. 960 00:51:55,068 --> 00:51:57,238 [indistinct chatter] 961 00:51:59,246 --> 00:52:00,986 - Charles Manson will be tried by a jury 962 00:52:01,118 --> 00:52:02,768 of seven men and five women. 963 00:52:02,902 --> 00:52:04,822 It took four weeks 964 00:52:04,947 --> 00:52:08,557 and 150 prospective jurors to find them. 965 00:52:08,690 --> 00:52:11,260 [clacking] 966 00:52:12,955 --> 00:52:16,785 [soft dramatic music] 967 00:52:16,916 --> 00:52:19,436 - I worked for the "LA Times" for seven years. 968 00:52:19,571 --> 00:52:21,361 The "Rolling Stone" was looking for an LA editor, 969 00:52:21,486 --> 00:52:23,436 and so they hired me. 970 00:52:23,575 --> 00:52:27,005 One of the first assignments was Manson, 971 00:52:27,144 --> 00:52:28,234 which I didn't particularly like. 972 00:52:28,362 --> 00:52:30,502 I mean, I--you know, I-- I hadn't followed it. 973 00:52:30,625 --> 00:52:34,455 I wasn't really a crime writer or anything like that. 974 00:52:34,586 --> 00:52:36,496 David Dalton was also assigned to the story 975 00:52:36,631 --> 00:52:38,291 because he had hung out with Dennis Wilson. 976 00:52:38,416 --> 00:52:40,976 ♪ 977 00:52:41,114 --> 00:52:43,424 Also, he knew the culture much--he really was a hippie. 978 00:52:43,551 --> 00:52:45,381 So the two of us actually brought 979 00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:48,380 a kind of balance to the story. 980 00:52:48,513 --> 00:52:50,043 - Quite sensibly, 981 00:52:50,167 --> 00:52:52,907 David was ambivalent about the whole thing. 982 00:52:53,039 --> 00:52:56,129 He--he felt, you know, he might've done it. 983 00:52:56,260 --> 00:52:59,390 And I and--and many, many other hippies 984 00:52:59,524 --> 00:53:01,184 figured he had been railroaded. 985 00:53:01,308 --> 00:53:04,878 I argued with David Felton the whole time. 986 00:53:05,007 --> 00:53:09,487 You--you know, like, "You traitor to the cause." 987 00:53:09,621 --> 00:53:11,931 - We interviewed Manson one afternoon in jail. 988 00:53:12,058 --> 00:53:14,188 His record manager, Phil Kaufman, 989 00:53:14,321 --> 00:53:16,411 who he met in jail, he got us in to see him, 990 00:53:16,541 --> 00:53:17,411 because he figured "Rolling Stone" 991 00:53:17,542 --> 00:53:19,852 would promote his album. 992 00:53:19,979 --> 00:53:22,499 ♪ 993 00:53:22,634 --> 00:53:25,514 - You could see all these different phases 994 00:53:25,637 --> 00:53:27,197 of his character flashing in his face. 995 00:53:28,509 --> 00:53:32,819 That was scary to us. 996 00:53:32,948 --> 00:53:35,598 And then we spent time on Spahn Ranch. 997 00:53:38,650 --> 00:53:42,440 The--the whole place was alternately 998 00:53:42,567 --> 00:53:45,737 sort of joyful and spooky. 999 00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:53,580 Every afternoon, we'd meet on the steps of the Spahn's house 1000 00:53:53,708 --> 00:53:57,448 and tell stories about the lake that had no bottom 1001 00:53:57,582 --> 00:54:00,022 or other improbable things. 1002 00:54:00,149 --> 00:54:03,499 They had this hive mentality. 1003 00:54:03,631 --> 00:54:06,461 They seemed to be totally bonded, 1004 00:54:06,591 --> 00:54:11,551 channeling Charlie's thoughts absolutely 1005 00:54:11,683 --> 00:54:15,433 because they're totally indoctrinated with this. 1006 00:54:15,556 --> 00:54:18,856 ♪ 1007 00:54:18,994 --> 00:54:20,524 - I had contacted the police department 1008 00:54:20,648 --> 00:54:22,998 and in the the prosecutor's office. 1009 00:54:23,129 --> 00:54:24,829 The prosecutor, whose name we disguised in the piece, 1010 00:54:24,957 --> 00:54:28,567 was Aaron Stovitz. 1011 00:54:28,700 --> 00:54:31,490 - We called him Porfiry after the detective 1012 00:54:31,616 --> 00:54:32,916 in "Crime and Punishment." 1013 00:54:36,534 --> 00:54:38,934 I thought he was innocent. 1014 00:54:39,058 --> 00:54:42,838 I was, by now, a total believer in all of this. 1015 00:54:42,975 --> 00:54:45,185 And he pulled out these photographs-- 1016 00:54:45,325 --> 00:54:47,145 they're, like, 4x4 police photographs 1017 00:54:47,284 --> 00:54:50,724 of the LaBianca murders, 1018 00:54:50,852 --> 00:54:54,202 and they're the most gruesome things you--you can imagine, 1019 00:54:54,334 --> 00:54:59,604 and on it, I saw "piggies" and "Helter Skelter" misspelled. 1020 00:54:59,731 --> 00:55:01,951 And at that point, I knew they'd done it. 1021 00:55:02,081 --> 00:55:05,691 ♪ 1022 00:55:10,655 --> 00:55:12,825 [dramatic music] 1023 00:55:49,258 --> 00:55:51,038 ♪ 1024 00:55:51,173 --> 00:55:52,653 - Stovitz talked too much. 1025 00:55:52,784 --> 00:55:54,314 He--he loved telling this story, 1026 00:55:54,438 --> 00:55:55,918 and he just told us everything. 1027 00:55:56,048 --> 00:55:58,618 And we had offered to turn off the tape recorder at any time, 1028 00:55:58,746 --> 00:56:00,266 and he never asked for it. 1029 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,710 - Mr. Stovitz had a private, confidential conversation 1030 00:56:02,837 --> 00:56:04,667 with these people from the "Rolling Stones." 1031 00:56:04,796 --> 00:56:07,226 They gave him their promises, their assurances 1032 00:56:07,364 --> 00:56:10,064 that they would not put it into their publication. 1033 00:56:10,192 --> 00:56:11,592 They breached that agreement, and they are the ones, I think, 1034 00:56:11,716 --> 00:56:13,586 who violated the gag rule. 1035 00:56:13,718 --> 00:56:15,238 This was an obscure article in a periodical 1036 00:56:15,372 --> 00:56:18,112 with limited circulation. 1037 00:56:18,244 --> 00:56:20,554 - The district attorney was somewhat upset, 1038 00:56:20,681 --> 00:56:23,081 and he said to Mr. Stovitz, 1039 00:56:23,205 --> 00:56:25,685 "Aaron, if you carry on this way, you know, 1040 00:56:25,817 --> 00:56:27,857 you're gonna be taken off the case." 1041 00:56:27,993 --> 00:56:29,563 [tense music] 1042 00:56:29,690 --> 00:56:32,430 [clacking] 1043 00:56:35,740 --> 00:56:39,050 [helicopter rotors thrumming] 1044 00:56:39,178 --> 00:56:42,828 [tense music] 1045 00:56:42,964 --> 00:56:46,144 - The Manson trial was going on at a time in our society 1046 00:56:46,272 --> 00:56:49,192 when everything was chaotic. 1047 00:56:49,318 --> 00:56:53,238 The Vietnam War was raging overseas, 1048 00:56:53,366 --> 00:56:55,976 and there had been two major assassinations. 1049 00:56:56,108 --> 00:56:58,068 [indistinct shouting] 1050 00:56:58,197 --> 00:57:01,637 And then to have these crazy "hippies," 1051 00:57:01,766 --> 00:57:04,766 as they called them then, had engineered 1052 00:57:04,899 --> 00:57:08,559 one of the most ghastly crimes in American history, 1053 00:57:08,686 --> 00:57:12,166 it was something that 1054 00:57:12,298 --> 00:57:15,738 just turned everybody's minds around. 1055 00:57:15,867 --> 00:57:19,087 They said, "What is going on in this world now?" 1056 00:57:19,218 --> 00:57:22,438 And so the Manson trial became symbolic 1057 00:57:22,569 --> 00:57:26,139 of everything evil that was happening in society. 1058 00:57:26,268 --> 00:57:28,578 - The world is getting crazy. 1059 00:57:28,706 --> 00:57:32,226 ♪ 1060 00:57:32,361 --> 00:57:34,321 - All the elements are present for one of the most 1061 00:57:34,451 --> 00:57:38,061 sensational murder trials in American history. 1062 00:57:38,193 --> 00:57:39,673 Seven people, brutally murdered, 1063 00:57:39,804 --> 00:57:42,284 in the glare of Hollywood publicity. 1064 00:57:42,415 --> 00:57:44,325 Involvement of a mystical hippie clan, 1065 00:57:44,461 --> 00:57:46,641 which despised the straight, affluent society. 1066 00:57:46,767 --> 00:57:48,767 [indistinct singing] 1067 00:57:48,900 --> 00:57:50,730 Young girls, supposedly under the spell 1068 00:57:50,858 --> 00:57:53,118 of a bearded Svengali, allegedly masterminded 1069 00:57:53,252 --> 00:57:55,432 the seven murders. 1070 00:57:55,559 --> 00:57:57,689 - It was testing the justice system, 1071 00:57:57,822 --> 00:58:00,782 and whether it could cope. 1072 00:58:00,912 --> 00:58:03,132 And at times, it appeared it could not. 1073 00:58:08,833 --> 00:58:11,533 [Cody Crump's "Burn"] 1074 00:58:11,662 --> 00:58:16,012 ♪ 1075 00:58:16,144 --> 00:58:18,194 - ♪ As we watch 1076 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:22,500 ♪ This world burn 1077 00:58:22,629 --> 00:58:29,509 ♪ A simple truth, so hard to learn ♪ 1078 00:58:29,636 --> 00:58:36,206 ♪ When things go wrong, it's hard to see ♪ 1079 00:58:36,338 --> 00:58:39,688 ♪ It's not just you 1080 00:58:39,820 --> 00:58:44,170 ♪ But also me 1081 00:58:44,303 --> 00:58:51,223 ♪ I will burn this 1082 00:58:51,353 --> 00:58:57,193 ♪ World to the ground 1083 00:58:58,535 --> 00:59:01,535 - Greg, move your head! 81986

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