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[somber music]
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♪
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- My dad,
he was very handsome.
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He was very loving.
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He had a very nice smile.
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Family was the most important.
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My dad was really
a special man.
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He was the kind of man
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that people looked up to
and respected.
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My mom and dad split up.
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He was single for a few years,
and then he met Rose.
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♪
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Rose and Dad seemed to me
like very good friends.
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They discussed plans together
as equals.
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She was very stylish.
She liked to go shopping.
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She had a very
spiritual side too.
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She was kind of complex.
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♪
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- Abigail Folger was 26.
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The cause of her death
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and the deaths of the four
people murdered with her
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is the concern
of scores of investigators
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in Southern California.
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She had attended Santa
Catalina School for Women
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near Carmel and was
graduated from Radcliffe.
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Ms. Folger was the daughter
of Peter Folger,
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chairman of the board
of the Folger Coffee Company.
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♪
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- The funeral for writer
Voytek Frykowski
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will be held in New York City
this week.
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♪
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Those for 18-year-old youth
Steven Parent
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were conducted elsewhere
in Los Angeles.
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- Services were planned
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for men's hair stylist
Jay Sebring.
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♪
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- He was a very personable,
a very confident
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little guy, 5'6", 122,
but had big stature.
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Jay and Sharon were living
together three years,
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and I knew he was still
hung up on her.
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♪
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- The services for Ms. Tate,
a remarkably pretty actress
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who was about
to become a mother,
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were held in west Los Angeles.
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- All of you know
how beautiful she was.
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But only few of--of you know
how good she was.
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The last few months
as much as
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the last few years
I spent with her
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were only time of true
happiness in my life.
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♪
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[ominous music]
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♪
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- There's no need
to feel guilty.
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I haven't done anything
I'm ashamed of.
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♪
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- There is no wrong.
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Aren't we all born to die?
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♪
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[eerie music]
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♪
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♪
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[clacking]
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[dark music]
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- Friday night in Los Angeles,
a movie actress
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and four of her friends
were murdered,
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and the circumstances
were lurid.
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♪
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And a short time later,
not far away,
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a middle-aged couple
was found murdered
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in similar circumstances.
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[car horns honking]
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With daylight,
police searched the premises.
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They found no evidence
of robbery,
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no suggestion of motive.
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A baffling crime, and bizarre.
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[helicopter rotors thrumming]
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- Meantime,
at the Bel Air home
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of movie director
Roman Polanski,
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police continued
their investigation
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of the five slayings.
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Police said
the actress's husband
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had not visited the home
and was in seclusion.
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Beyond these few meager facts,
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police clamped a shroud
of secrecy around the case.
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- As I say,
there's no reason to hold him.
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He's not involved.
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- Late this afternoon,
police released
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the only suspect they had,
19-year-old William Garretson,
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caretaker of
the Polanski home.
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♪
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- As soon as the murders
took place
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and there was no reason,
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Hollywood went into
a kind of collective panic.
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They started getting guns,
and they had guard dogs in.
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I remember Steve McQueen
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got himself a shotgun
and a pistol.
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He put the shotgun
under his bed
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and the pistol
under his pillow.
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Because this was
a safe neighborhood,
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and all of a sudden,
were there a bunch of killers
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running around,
gunning for celebrities?
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[birds chirping]
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♪
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- LA was a very open place
in 1969, and very permeable.
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The rich and the poor,
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the hippies and straight
society comingled,
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and you could walk in and out
of a party or a bar
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and be with someone who was
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of a different station in life
than you.
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After the Tate killings,
the city just tightened up.
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LA changed forever.
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- Everybody started
locking their cars,
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and nobody was picking up
hitchhikers anymore.
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It was an incredible,
horrific story.
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I mean, it brought the--
a curtain down
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on the bricks and ferns
and tie dye of the '60s.
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[horse neighing]
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[birds chirping]
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- Back at Spahn Ranch,
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there was strange things
going on.
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I mean, it--
it seemed more serious.
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Straight Satans,
the motorcycle gang,
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was involved,
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and there were knives
and there were guns.
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They were like a protection
and provider of weapons,
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but they also had mechanical
skills for, you know,
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converting these Volkswagens
into dune buggies.
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That seemed to be part
of their purpose
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for this long-term move
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from Spahn Ranch
to Death Valley.
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[tense music]
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- Those dune buggies
would carry barrels
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that would keep us alive
when we ran to the desert.
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And everybody in this town,
LA and all around,
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would be in this
horrible revolution,
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fighting each other and killing
each other in the streets.
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It was no more fun and games.
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We weren't just there
to hang out.
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It was like, "Get ready.
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We have to get out of here
as soon as possible."
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♪
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- Innocent people were being
murdered by this family
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that I didn't wanna
be a part of anymore.
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- I felt like
I was facing death.
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This was the opportunity
that I could escape,
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knowing that I could not
take my daughter with me.
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I left.
[sniffles]
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I left.
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[animal howls]
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- Seven days
after the killings,
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the LA County Sheriff
Department descended on mass
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on Spahn Ranch
at 6:00 in the morning.
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They had a warrant
to investigate auto theft.
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Manson and his family
had been stealing everything,
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and they'd been retrofitting
the stolen vehicles
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into dune buggies
and riding around firing guns.
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[tense music]
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Manson was the last person
arrested.
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He'd been hiding
in a crawl space
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under one of the buildings
on the ranch.
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♪
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- I was with the whole group.
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I guess I assumed that,
"Here's the establishment
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coming down on us, you know,
for no reason at all."
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They smashed my guitar,
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looking for drugs
inside of it, I guess.
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I don't know.
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They just smashed it
against the wall.
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I didn't understand that.
I was pretty upset.
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They took us in
and then let us go.
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- In the end, they couldn't
pinpoint which of them
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stole the two cars
they had the warrants for,
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so they were all released.
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Charlie got a sense
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that the heat
was going to come down.
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There was a lot of blood
on their hands.
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♪
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They got together
their dune buggies,
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which were outfitted
with machine gun posts,
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and they drove out
into the desert.
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♪
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[clacking]
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- There was talk today
about drugs and a mad killer,
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but the Los Angeles police
are no closer to a solution
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of the seven killings
of last weekend
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than they were then.
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- Homicide officers
would not say
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the two separate murders
were connected.
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They theorized the LaBianca
killer may have used
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the same technique
as the Bel Air killer
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to throw police off the track.
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- The LAPD
made some bad mistakes
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in investigating the Tate
and LaBianca killings.
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The first of which
was they didn't connect
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the Tate murder
to the Gary Hinman murder.
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Gary Hinman was murdered
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in the part of LA
covered by the county,
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and the LaBianca and Tate
killings
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were both in the city.
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LAPD didn't see the similarity
and ignored it.
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- One of the detectives
on the Hinman murder case,
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who later
became a friend of mine,
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said that he had called LAPD
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after the Tate murders
and said,
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"I think there's some
similarities between
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a murder that I had
out in Topanga Canyon,"
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and the LAPD basically,
as he put it,
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"Told me to go pound sand."
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They didn't wanna hear.
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And they, for several days,
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kept calling it
a copycat murder.
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[tense music]
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♪
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- The police were clueless,
and there were so many rumors.
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Is it a drug deal gone wrong?
Is it the mafia?
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Is it the--the victims
that brought these crimes
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upon themselves
and they deserved it?
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Because this is the way
they lived.
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They're corrupt, decadent.
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- "Yeah, well,
they're devil worshippers.
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"See, he did that movie,
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"and they're getting back
at him.
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"You know, 'Rosemary's Baby.'
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That's why this happened."
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It was speculation gone crazy.
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- And since there were
no culprits,
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and since the murder itself
was so hideous and horrendous,
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that they thought--
they instinctively felt that
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the best way
is to blame the victims
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for their own deaths.
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♪
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[camera shutters clicking]
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First of all,
forgive me if my words
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will be a little bit
incoherent.
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The last film she made
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was not a very happy experience
for her,
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but her greatest picture
she was doing
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was her pregnancy.
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I never seen a woman
more preoccupied with it.
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The house is open now.
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And I tell you last thing.
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There was a lot of talk about
drugs and use of drugs.
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Sharon not only
didn't use drugs,
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she didn't touch alcohol,
she didn't smoke cigarettes.
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And facts, which will
be coming out day after day
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will make ashamed
a lot of newsmen
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who, for a selfish reason,
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write--unbearable for me--
horrible things about my wife.
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[unsettling music]
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I'm sorry,
I must step from--
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♪
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[breathing heavily]
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- I remember the coverage
because I was part of it.
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Everybody and their brother
was trying to figure out
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who committed these murders,
why the murders had stopped,
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what was going on,
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and we all went and did
these ridiculous interviews.
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They sent me to interview a--
a psychic named Peter Hurkos.
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I interviewed him after
261
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he went to the house
with Polanski.
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I had to ask my question
of his publicist,
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who would repeat
my question to him.
264
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Then he would answer her.
265
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I don't know
what he told Polanski,
266
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but if he told Polanski
the same thing he told me,
267
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then there was no information
that was useful.
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- From time to time,
I wrote a news story.
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I'd go down to Parker Center
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for briefings
by the police chief,
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and they'd tell us nothing,
you know.
272
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They've interviewed people.
273
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They've spent 600 hours
padding around,
274
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trying to find the killers.
275
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There was nothing
we could write about.
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Those who had to write stories
had to write with--
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with rumors and innuendo
and--
278
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and--and--
and false information.
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[light suspenseful music]
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♪
281
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♪
282
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Roman became detective.
283
00:16:56,363 --> 00:17:00,243
He thought
for a few crazy moments
284
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that somebody
in his inner circle
285
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was responsible
for killing Sharon.
286
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He thought Bruce Lee
might be responsible
287
00:17:07,156 --> 00:17:09,716
because Bruce Lee
was the only kind of guy
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that could kill five people
singlehandedly.
289
00:17:14,468 --> 00:17:17,338
And then he thought
it was John Phillips,
290
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and Roman knew
that John Phillips knew
291
00:17:21,170 --> 00:17:23,740
that Roman had
had a one-night stand
292
00:17:23,868 --> 00:17:26,998
with John's wife, Michelle,
in London.
293
00:17:27,133 --> 00:17:29,923
And somehow Roman
translated that into,
294
00:17:30,049 --> 00:17:34,919
"Well, he bumped off Sharon."
295
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Of course, it was ridiculous.
296
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- I was also looking
for any trace of blood in--
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in cars of people that I knew.
298
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I had chemicals, you know,
that I could smear
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and check whether there
were any traces of blood in--
300
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on--on--on the pedals
or steering wheel
301
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or seats or whatever.
302
00:17:58,555 --> 00:18:01,685
So I spent my night sometimes
in the garages of my friends,
303
00:18:01,819 --> 00:18:03,469
you know,
just going through those cars.
304
00:18:15,616 --> 00:18:18,356
I did think that it must have
been someone who knew her.
305
00:18:18,488 --> 00:18:21,138
And as it happened, it wasn't.
306
00:18:21,274 --> 00:18:23,804
- Does that strike you now
as unbalanced behavior?
307
00:18:23,928 --> 00:18:25,228
Would you say you were
unbalanced at the time
308
00:18:25,365 --> 00:18:28,755
from grief or shock?
309
00:18:28,890 --> 00:18:30,760
- Yes, I think
I was unbalanced, yeah.
310
00:18:35,984 --> 00:18:38,684
[clacking]
311
00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:43,910
[soft dramatic music]
312
00:18:44,035 --> 00:18:50,685
♪
313
00:18:51,260 --> 00:18:54,440
[bird squawking]
314
00:18:54,568 --> 00:18:56,828
- After that raid
at Spahn Ranch,
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00:18:56,961 --> 00:18:57,831
we had to start over.
316
00:19:01,705 --> 00:19:05,835
We were filling up barrels
with food, water, gasoline,
317
00:19:05,970 --> 00:19:08,280
and we were taking them
up to the desert.
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We were surviving
the coming doom,
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00:19:13,761 --> 00:19:14,761
and I believed that.
320
00:19:14,892 --> 00:19:16,372
I believed it was gonna happen.
321
00:19:16,503 --> 00:19:19,113
[camera focus clicking]
322
00:19:19,245 --> 00:19:21,325
- We were hiding out
in the desert,
323
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and I was afraid.
324
00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:28,120
On the other hand, I still,
you know, was vulnerable,
325
00:19:28,254 --> 00:19:30,304
and I wanted
Charlie's approval.
326
00:19:32,606 --> 00:19:35,386
We're working
at Barker Ranch at night
327
00:19:35,522 --> 00:19:39,312
and do laundry and cook
and dig lookouts.
328
00:19:41,180 --> 00:19:44,490
At dawn,
we would go back about--
329
00:19:44,618 --> 00:19:48,058
probably about two miles
behind the ranch.
330
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There were several vehicles,
331
00:19:49,623 --> 00:19:52,193
but the girls would follow
behind the vehicles
332
00:19:52,321 --> 00:19:55,671
and wipe away the tire tracks
with willow branches.
333
00:19:55,803 --> 00:19:58,113
♪
334
00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,030
And we would stay under
these sand-colored parachutes.
335
00:20:02,157 --> 00:20:04,417
[dark music]
336
00:20:04,551 --> 00:20:08,421
The day was basically
spent sleeping.
337
00:20:08,555 --> 00:20:09,985
Maybe if it wasn't too hot,
338
00:20:10,121 --> 00:20:11,821
looking
for the bottomless pit.
339
00:20:11,949 --> 00:20:15,429
♪
340
00:20:15,562 --> 00:20:18,872
We came back,
and our path was blocked
341
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,130
with all these boulders,
and Charlie was so mad.
342
00:20:22,264 --> 00:20:26,534
When we finally got over that,
here's this big road grader.
343
00:20:26,660 --> 00:20:29,010
So I think it was he
and Tex and Bruce Davis
344
00:20:29,140 --> 00:20:31,530
that took the gas
from the jeep,
345
00:20:31,665 --> 00:20:35,355
emptied the gas
onto the tires, and lit it.
346
00:20:35,495 --> 00:20:39,885
♪
347
00:20:43,111 --> 00:20:46,251
- While at Barker's Ranch,
348
00:20:46,375 --> 00:20:48,415
a man named Paul Crockett
and another
349
00:20:48,551 --> 00:20:49,291
drove into the yard.
350
00:20:51,772 --> 00:20:56,562
- On the night that I arrived,
I met Brooks Poston.
351
00:20:56,690 --> 00:20:59,560
They were living
in the big house on the ranch.
352
00:20:59,693 --> 00:21:01,263
We would go
and stay in the cabin
353
00:21:01,390 --> 00:21:04,870
that was just to the left
of the house.
354
00:21:05,002 --> 00:21:06,572
We would sit in the evenings
and talk,
355
00:21:06,700 --> 00:21:10,310
and we began to learn
and hear about Charlie.
356
00:21:11,618 --> 00:21:13,528
- Paul had offered me a job
357
00:21:13,663 --> 00:21:15,063
to go up and down
the mountains
358
00:21:15,186 --> 00:21:17,576
and to help him get gold ore
359
00:21:17,711 --> 00:21:19,891
down from some mines
that they had in that area.
360
00:21:22,106 --> 00:21:23,886
- I got Brooks to go
and work with me,
361
00:21:24,021 --> 00:21:26,891
and then Paul Watkins came.
362
00:21:27,024 --> 00:21:28,854
Every day
we would go and inspect
363
00:21:28,983 --> 00:21:31,333
old mine sites, old diggings,
364
00:21:31,464 --> 00:21:34,604
and I could explain to them
what Charlie was doing.
365
00:21:34,728 --> 00:21:36,898
That it was ridiculous,
it was idiotic,
366
00:21:37,034 --> 00:21:41,564
that it had no value
whatsoever to them.
367
00:21:41,691 --> 00:21:43,431
And they decided
to quit Charlie
368
00:21:43,563 --> 00:21:45,093
and come and go with me.
369
00:21:45,216 --> 00:21:49,606
♪
370
00:21:49,743 --> 00:21:51,353
- And later on,
when Charlie and the crew
371
00:21:51,484 --> 00:21:55,974
came back up to the desert
when we were there,
372
00:21:56,097 --> 00:21:58,267
I watched him and Crockett
373
00:21:58,404 --> 00:22:02,324
do this little dance
of the gurus.
374
00:22:02,451 --> 00:22:05,631
It just seemed to me
that--that Paul's stuff
375
00:22:05,759 --> 00:22:09,459
packed more reality
than Charlie's.
376
00:22:09,589 --> 00:22:11,069
That was my way out.
377
00:22:11,199 --> 00:22:12,979
[fire crackling]
378
00:22:13,114 --> 00:22:15,124
[coyote yipping]
379
00:22:15,246 --> 00:22:17,336
- I had no one to go back to,
380
00:22:17,466 --> 00:22:19,556
and everybody else had given up
their families.
381
00:22:19,686 --> 00:22:21,506
So what do you go back to
if you think
382
00:22:21,644 --> 00:22:23,564
that everyone else
is gonna die?
383
00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:26,260
[ominous music]
384
00:22:26,388 --> 00:22:28,218
We were everything
to each other,
385
00:22:28,347 --> 00:22:30,647
and it's hard to give that up
386
00:22:30,784 --> 00:22:33,534
when things go
completely dark.
387
00:22:33,656 --> 00:22:36,086
[indistinct singing]
388
00:22:38,661 --> 00:22:39,581
- We were up in the desert.
389
00:22:39,706 --> 00:22:43,666
I think we'd taken LSD.
390
00:22:43,797 --> 00:22:47,097
The girls started telling me
what they did.
391
00:22:47,235 --> 00:22:49,755
[faint indistinct singing]
392
00:22:52,414 --> 00:22:54,594
I mean, they were,
like, bragging,
393
00:22:54,721 --> 00:22:57,161
and they were almost gleeful
394
00:22:57,288 --> 00:22:59,028
that they had done this
for Charlie.
395
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:00,550
[faint groaning]
396
00:23:00,683 --> 00:23:02,603
[indistinct chatter]
397
00:23:02,729 --> 00:23:05,039
Sadie, Susan Atkins, told me
398
00:23:05,166 --> 00:23:08,556
how Sharon begged
for the life of her baby.
399
00:23:08,691 --> 00:23:12,351
[faint laughter]
400
00:23:12,478 --> 00:23:16,698
And it was--it was just,
you know, her--
401
00:23:16,830 --> 00:23:20,700
unbelievable
that they could talk about it,
402
00:23:20,834 --> 00:23:24,144
the--these horrendous events,
the way they did.
403
00:23:24,272 --> 00:23:26,712
[laughter, indistinct chatter]
404
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,710
The girls had told me,
Tex had told me,
405
00:23:29,843 --> 00:23:33,723
"I did this.
Charlie told me to."
406
00:23:33,847 --> 00:23:36,067
The whole time, you know,
I was afraid to leave
407
00:23:36,197 --> 00:23:37,677
because I was afraid
that they would kill me,
408
00:23:37,807 --> 00:23:40,547
'cause now I knew
this horrible secret.
409
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:47,080
♪
410
00:23:53,388 --> 00:23:55,218
- The dream that I had
about the hippie commune
411
00:23:55,346 --> 00:23:57,696
that we were gonna live on
wasn't--
412
00:23:57,827 --> 00:24:00,917
wasn't--
wasn't what I signed up for.
413
00:24:01,048 --> 00:24:03,788
[foreboding music]
414
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,180
For some reason or another,
I probably got the feeling
415
00:24:05,313 --> 00:24:07,753
that Kitty wanted out too.
416
00:24:07,881 --> 00:24:09,581
Maybe the fact
that we were both pregnant.
417
00:24:09,709 --> 00:24:11,489
♪
418
00:24:11,624 --> 00:24:13,674
We would talk about all
the things we were missing.
419
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,060
Thanksgiving dinners.
420
00:24:16,193 --> 00:24:18,593
We'd talk about
Baskin-Robbins ice cream.
421
00:24:21,895 --> 00:24:25,155
And then one night,
we just decided, "This is it."
422
00:24:25,289 --> 00:24:28,419
[animal howls]
423
00:24:28,554 --> 00:24:30,434
And that night,
when we went to bed,
424
00:24:30,556 --> 00:24:32,336
we made sure
that we were sleeping
425
00:24:32,471 --> 00:24:35,521
a little bit further away
from everybody else
426
00:24:35,648 --> 00:24:39,258
so that we could sneak away
without them hearing us.
427
00:24:39,390 --> 00:24:41,650
I don't even think
we had shoes.
428
00:24:41,784 --> 00:24:43,964
We snuck off.
429
00:24:44,091 --> 00:24:47,491
♪
430
00:24:47,616 --> 00:24:50,786
And we decided
to head to the top of a wash
431
00:24:50,924 --> 00:24:54,494
and walk along
the top of a wash.
432
00:24:54,623 --> 00:24:59,413
We'd been gone
about an hour walking,
433
00:24:59,541 --> 00:25:03,281
and we could see they had
started up the dune buggies,
434
00:25:03,414 --> 00:25:07,294
and they were out
looking for us.
435
00:25:07,418 --> 00:25:09,328
We were up high,
and they had to be down low.
436
00:25:09,464 --> 00:25:12,214
The dune buggies couldn't go
to the top of the wash.
437
00:25:15,731 --> 00:25:17,301
Scared to death.
438
00:25:17,428 --> 00:25:19,738
♪
439
00:25:19,866 --> 00:25:21,476
- Charlie had us all
beating the bushes
440
00:25:21,607 --> 00:25:25,047
for these girls
into the late night.
441
00:25:25,175 --> 00:25:27,175
I was terrified.
442
00:25:27,308 --> 00:25:29,178
At that point, I didn't
know what happened to them.
443
00:25:29,310 --> 00:25:30,570
They just disappeared.
444
00:25:34,315 --> 00:25:36,835
- And we walked
through the night.
445
00:25:36,970 --> 00:25:39,490
We finally found a road,
and there was a sheriff
446
00:25:39,625 --> 00:25:41,235
that just happened
to be going by,
447
00:25:41,365 --> 00:25:43,275
and we flagged him down.
448
00:25:43,411 --> 00:25:47,501
He took us
to Inyokern jail.
449
00:25:47,633 --> 00:25:50,903
We got out of there
just in time.
450
00:25:51,027 --> 00:25:53,417
- I felt the vibe
that if they had been found,
451
00:25:53,552 --> 00:25:56,252
that they would've been killed.
452
00:25:56,380 --> 00:25:59,690
They knew
what had happened too.
453
00:25:59,819 --> 00:26:02,389
♪
454
00:26:02,517 --> 00:26:05,217
[coyote yipping]
455
00:26:05,346 --> 00:26:07,216
Tex, at some point
in the desert,
456
00:26:07,348 --> 00:26:10,178
he, like, disappeared.
457
00:26:10,307 --> 00:26:13,397
They had escaped,
and I had wanted to,
458
00:26:13,528 --> 00:26:15,748
but I just felt like,
"Where would I go?"
459
00:26:15,878 --> 00:26:18,708
[somber music]
460
00:26:18,838 --> 00:26:25,318
♪
461
00:26:27,281 --> 00:26:29,371
I was washing my hair
462
00:26:29,500 --> 00:26:31,420
at the sink
inside Barker Ranch,
463
00:26:31,546 --> 00:26:33,366
and the door just slams open,
464
00:26:33,504 --> 00:26:35,204
and I've got a gun
pointed at me,
465
00:26:35,332 --> 00:26:37,642
you know,
"Put your hands up."
466
00:26:37,770 --> 00:26:41,210
And Charlie, like, in the blink
of an eye, he's gone.
467
00:26:41,338 --> 00:26:44,388
[indistinct radio chatter]
468
00:26:44,515 --> 00:26:46,295
And I could hear
the walkie-talkies.
469
00:26:46,430 --> 00:26:47,820
I--you know,
I could see that it was--
470
00:26:47,954 --> 00:26:49,744
that it was the sheriff.
471
00:26:52,741 --> 00:26:56,481
And they found Charlie hiding
under this tiny,
472
00:26:56,615 --> 00:26:59,305
tiny little bath vanity.
473
00:26:59,443 --> 00:27:02,883
Somehow he managed
to squeeze in there,
474
00:27:03,012 --> 00:27:04,192
but I guess
some of his hair was--
475
00:27:04,318 --> 00:27:06,488
was showing up out of the door.
476
00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:08,835
[indistinct radio chatter]
477
00:27:08,975 --> 00:27:10,925
They sent us all outside,
478
00:27:11,064 --> 00:27:13,764
and they put everybody
in pickup trucks.
479
00:27:13,893 --> 00:27:17,423
♪
480
00:27:17,548 --> 00:27:22,078
And they took us
to Independence
481
00:27:22,205 --> 00:27:25,635
on charges of grand larceny,
of burning this road grader.
482
00:27:33,477 --> 00:27:34,907
- We have been watching these
483
00:27:35,044 --> 00:27:37,964
so-called hippies for some time,
484
00:27:38,091 --> 00:27:41,661
and they live like animals,
not like people.
485
00:27:41,790 --> 00:27:45,270
The food that they had stashed
was candy.
486
00:27:45,402 --> 00:27:48,452
Not what I would call
staple food
487
00:27:48,579 --> 00:27:50,489
such as potatoes, beans,
and whatnot.
488
00:27:50,625 --> 00:27:52,925
It was mostly candy.
489
00:27:53,062 --> 00:27:56,502
And this is for--
for my opinion only.
490
00:27:56,631 --> 00:27:59,981
I think carbohydrates or sugar
is our bigger--
491
00:28:00,113 --> 00:28:02,993
bigger menace right now
than marijuana will ever be.
492
00:28:03,116 --> 00:28:06,336
They have a great desire
to run around in the nude,
493
00:28:06,467 --> 00:28:09,377
both men and females.
494
00:28:09,513 --> 00:28:12,783
In the jail here,
we gave them jail clothes,
495
00:28:12,908 --> 00:28:16,388
and the matron tells me that
whenever she had to have one
496
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,000
come out for interrogation
or to see the lawyer,
497
00:28:19,132 --> 00:28:21,612
why, you had to wait
to put their clothes on.
498
00:28:21,743 --> 00:28:25,923
- Sheriff, does Manson seem to
be the leader of these people
499
00:28:26,052 --> 00:28:27,972
even while they're behind bars,
500
00:28:28,097 --> 00:28:29,927
the ones
that you still have here?
501
00:28:30,056 --> 00:28:32,706
- Well, apparently, ye--
he is,
502
00:28:32,841 --> 00:28:35,631
but I'm not so sure
that Manson is the leader.
503
00:28:35,757 --> 00:28:37,667
I don't believe--
I'm not so sure
504
00:28:37,803 --> 00:28:41,423
that this is the right man,
Manson.
505
00:28:41,545 --> 00:28:44,325
[indistinct chatter]
506
00:28:44,461 --> 00:28:48,381
♪
507
00:28:48,509 --> 00:28:51,819
[clacking]
508
00:28:53,035 --> 00:28:55,995
- All the girls
are in the same cell together,
509
00:28:56,125 --> 00:28:59,425
and then Susan
gets taken to LA
510
00:28:59,563 --> 00:29:02,393
because she had a warrant out
for her arrest.
511
00:29:02,523 --> 00:29:05,533
[ominous music]
512
00:29:05,656 --> 00:29:08,396
- I was in a dormitory
in prison
513
00:29:08,529 --> 00:29:13,189
with quite a few people,
and Susan Atkins
514
00:29:13,316 --> 00:29:16,796
slept about, I believe it was
three to five beds up from me,
515
00:29:16,929 --> 00:29:20,579
and for some reason, which
to this day I'll never know,
516
00:29:20,715 --> 00:29:25,015
she started talking to me
and got friendly with me.
517
00:29:25,154 --> 00:29:27,504
We were talking,
and she mentioned,
518
00:29:27,635 --> 00:29:31,325
did I know about the killings
of Benedict Canyon?
519
00:29:31,465 --> 00:29:32,675
And I said, "Why?"
520
00:29:32,814 --> 00:29:34,994
And she says
that she was the one
521
00:29:35,121 --> 00:29:37,211
that--that did the killings.
522
00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:40,080
Well, truthfully, I thought
she was a little ding-a-linger,
523
00:29:40,213 --> 00:29:42,913
there was something wrong
or on drugs or something.
524
00:29:45,174 --> 00:29:46,964
She didn't know it,
naturally,
525
00:29:47,089 --> 00:29:50,089
but I had been in that house.
526
00:29:50,223 --> 00:29:54,143
I had almost decided
to rent that house.
527
00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:58,750
So I started questioning her,
and when she described to me
528
00:29:58,884 --> 00:30:02,024
about the beams
in the living room,
529
00:30:02,148 --> 00:30:06,368
I knew then
that she had been there.
530
00:30:07,544 --> 00:30:09,854
I had to speak up.
I had to say something.
531
00:30:09,982 --> 00:30:13,862
♪
532
00:30:13,986 --> 00:30:16,506
- Sharon Tate, a beautiful,
young motion picture actress,
533
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,120
and four of her friends
were murdered last August
534
00:30:19,252 --> 00:30:21,692
in the sumptuous Hollywood
mansion rented by her
535
00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:25,130
and her directing--director
husband Roman Polanski.
536
00:30:25,258 --> 00:30:26,388
The police have been
looking for the murderer
537
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,520
or murderers ever since,
538
00:30:28,652 --> 00:30:31,482
and up until today,
they had had no luck.
539
00:30:31,612 --> 00:30:34,882
But today, there was
a dramatic break in the case.
540
00:30:35,007 --> 00:30:37,267
- Police apparently got their
break in the Tate case
541
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,190
when this girl, Susan Atkins,
a member of Manson's family,
542
00:30:40,316 --> 00:30:42,836
was arrested in another
Los Angeles murder
543
00:30:42,971 --> 00:30:45,371
and talked to a cellmate
about the Tate killings.
544
00:30:45,495 --> 00:30:47,105
- It was like, "What?"
545
00:30:47,236 --> 00:30:50,236
Where did these people
come from?
546
00:30:50,370 --> 00:30:54,160
You couldn't conceive
of hippies committing murders.
547
00:30:54,287 --> 00:30:58,197
I--I mean, that would be--
"Oh, you're crazy.
548
00:30:58,334 --> 00:31:00,994
The love children?
They would never kill anybody."
549
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,950
♪
550
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:07,129
- The wandering band of members
of a so-called religious cult
551
00:31:07,256 --> 00:31:09,556
with a leader
they called Jesus
552
00:31:09,693 --> 00:31:12,703
has had three of its followers
arrested in the investigation
553
00:31:12,827 --> 00:31:16,217
of the murder of Sharon Tate
and six others.
554
00:31:16,352 --> 00:31:19,182
Those arrested are two women
and one man,
555
00:31:19,312 --> 00:31:20,882
and the Los Angeles police
said that they would ask
556
00:31:21,009 --> 00:31:25,099
murder indictments
against several others.
557
00:31:25,231 --> 00:31:27,581
- Charles D. Watson
was the kind of boy
558
00:31:27,711 --> 00:31:29,371
a community like Copeville
could be proud of,
559
00:31:29,496 --> 00:31:31,496
until yesterday.
560
00:31:31,628 --> 00:31:33,888
Yesterday, it was learned
that Watson,
561
00:31:34,022 --> 00:31:35,982
who once taught Sunday School
in this church
562
00:31:36,111 --> 00:31:38,941
and who worked behind his
father's country store counter
563
00:31:39,071 --> 00:31:42,941
had been arrested in McKinney,
charged with the brutal,
564
00:31:43,075 --> 00:31:45,685
ritualistic slaying of
Hollywood actress Sharon Tate
565
00:31:45,816 --> 00:31:47,506
and four other persons.
566
00:31:47,644 --> 00:31:51,214
♪
567
00:31:51,344 --> 00:31:53,224
- The Family left
the Spahn Movie Ranch
568
00:31:53,346 --> 00:31:56,776
in the early fall
after the Tate Murders.
569
00:31:56,915 --> 00:31:58,565
The Family set up another camp
570
00:31:58,699 --> 00:32:00,789
in the desert
near Death Valley.
571
00:32:00,919 --> 00:32:03,699
Five members are now in jail
on other charges
572
00:32:03,834 --> 00:32:05,714
in the desert town
of Independence.
573
00:32:05,836 --> 00:32:07,576
The Family's leader,
Charles Manson,
574
00:32:07,708 --> 00:32:09,228
is jailed here.
575
00:32:09,362 --> 00:32:10,752
It is expected
that he will be charged
576
00:32:10,885 --> 00:32:12,575
in the Tate murders.
577
00:32:12,713 --> 00:32:15,673
[unsettling music]
578
00:32:15,803 --> 00:32:18,893
- People who lived with Manson
on the ranch and in the desert
579
00:32:19,024 --> 00:32:21,504
deny that they were
a violent group.
580
00:32:21,635 --> 00:32:23,635
- We was just playing.
581
00:32:23,767 --> 00:32:26,637
That's what the whole thing is,
that we--we were--
582
00:32:26,770 --> 00:32:29,080
all we was doing out there
was playing, or you know...
583
00:32:29,208 --> 00:32:31,168
♪
584
00:32:31,297 --> 00:32:32,727
- Manson was arrested
585
00:32:32,863 --> 00:32:34,953
during a raid last month
at the desert camp
586
00:32:35,083 --> 00:32:37,353
where he and his
young followers were living.
587
00:32:37,477 --> 00:32:39,607
Some of the girls
from the camp were spectators
588
00:32:39,740 --> 00:32:41,660
in court today during
his preliminary hearing
589
00:32:41,785 --> 00:32:43,865
on charges of auto theft
590
00:32:44,005 --> 00:32:45,955
and concealing stolen property
found in the camp.
591
00:32:50,751 --> 00:32:53,581
- He seems to be a--
a deep person, philosophical.
592
00:32:56,670 --> 00:32:58,850
Yeah.
Friendly person.
593
00:32:58,977 --> 00:33:00,757
I don't know at this time
594
00:33:00,891 --> 00:33:03,631
that he is a leader
of any particular group.
595
00:33:03,764 --> 00:33:07,294
♪
596
00:33:07,420 --> 00:33:09,600
- Among his followers,
members of the Family,
597
00:33:09,726 --> 00:33:11,156
Manson is regarded as a saint.
598
00:33:11,293 --> 00:33:13,823
Many call him Jesus.
599
00:33:13,948 --> 00:33:16,338
Police view him
somewhat differently,
600
00:33:16,472 --> 00:33:19,432
as a dangerous ex-convict
with a long record,
601
00:33:19,562 --> 00:33:22,002
who may have masterminded
the Tate killings and others.
602
00:33:26,569 --> 00:33:29,049
[clacking]
603
00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:35,190
[helicopter rotors thrumming]
604
00:33:35,317 --> 00:33:38,147
[tense music]
605
00:33:38,277 --> 00:33:44,807
♪
606
00:33:44,935 --> 00:33:47,545
[indistinct chatter]
607
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:02,869
- All of us girls got sent
to testify, you know,
608
00:34:02,997 --> 00:34:05,037
for the indictments
of the grand jury.
609
00:34:06,479 --> 00:34:09,919
And it wasn't until then,
when I was standing
610
00:34:10,048 --> 00:34:12,268
before the bailiff,
just ready to, you know,
611
00:34:12,398 --> 00:34:18,878
enter the grand jury
to be questioned,
612
00:34:19,013 --> 00:34:21,803
and he asked me
what my name is, and I--I said,
613
00:34:21,929 --> 00:34:24,279
"I'm--I'm--
my name is Dianne Lake.
614
00:34:24,410 --> 00:34:27,330
"I'm 16, and I want my mommy.
615
00:34:27,456 --> 00:34:28,716
"I want--"
you know, I was, like--
616
00:34:28,849 --> 00:34:32,419
I suddenly woke up to,
617
00:34:32,548 --> 00:34:35,288
"I'm in--I'm in deep doo-doo
here, and I want out,
618
00:34:35,421 --> 00:34:36,771
and you know, help me."
619
00:34:46,475 --> 00:34:48,385
They made me
a ward of the court,
620
00:34:48,521 --> 00:34:52,131
and they sent me
for 90 days observational
621
00:34:52,264 --> 00:34:56,964
at a mental health institute
in San Bernardino County.
622
00:34:57,095 --> 00:34:58,965
And that--that turned out
to be a good thing.
623
00:34:59,097 --> 00:35:01,397
You know,
I was protected in a--
624
00:35:01,534 --> 00:35:03,584
in a--in a safe environment
that was nurturing.
625
00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:06,450
♪
626
00:35:06,582 --> 00:35:09,462
- It took the grand jury
just 20 minutes to agree
627
00:35:09,585 --> 00:35:11,975
that six members of the hippie
tribe should be indicted
628
00:35:12,110 --> 00:35:13,980
in the Sharon Tate murders
629
00:35:14,112 --> 00:35:17,292
and those of a supermarket
owner and his wife.
630
00:35:17,419 --> 00:35:18,899
- Shocking.
Very shocking.
631
00:35:19,029 --> 00:35:21,509
It was a terrible group
of murders.
632
00:35:21,641 --> 00:35:25,251
It was probably the worst
in the history of California.
633
00:35:25,384 --> 00:35:27,564
- Pardon me.
634
00:35:27,690 --> 00:35:30,390
- Was it the testimony of Susan
Atkins that really cinched it?
635
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:32,779
- Well, that certainly
was a part of it.
636
00:35:37,222 --> 00:35:39,792
- Susan Atkins, who told the
shocking story of the crimes,
637
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,440
was one of those indicted.
638
00:35:41,574 --> 00:35:44,234
Her lawyers say
she was hypnotized.
639
00:35:44,359 --> 00:35:47,279
Her father, who didn't want
to be identified, disagrees.
640
00:35:49,147 --> 00:35:51,407
- I think they're all on dope.
641
00:35:51,540 --> 00:35:54,150
And if you get under
enough dope,
642
00:35:54,282 --> 00:35:57,942
you can be involved
in almost anything.
643
00:35:58,068 --> 00:36:01,418
[indistinct chatter]
644
00:36:01,550 --> 00:36:03,510
- Do you plan
to stand by her side
645
00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:07,379
in what undoubtedly will
be the trial which she faces?
646
00:36:07,513 --> 00:36:08,303
- I don't know how
to stand by her side.
647
00:36:08,427 --> 00:36:09,647
I lost her.
648
00:36:20,569 --> 00:36:22,529
- Susan Atkins,
Leslie Van Houten,
649
00:36:22,658 --> 00:36:25,488
and Linda Kasabian,
who is five months pregnant,
650
00:36:25,618 --> 00:36:28,448
were the first Tate suspects
called into court.
651
00:36:28,577 --> 00:36:30,447
Each were given more time
652
00:36:30,579 --> 00:36:32,629
to enter a plea
on murder charges.
653
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:41,550
- I was 23 or 24
during the Manson trial.
654
00:36:41,677 --> 00:36:44,197
I was covering the biggest
trial in the country
655
00:36:44,332 --> 00:36:47,382
for the world's largest
news-gathering agency.
656
00:36:47,509 --> 00:36:49,859
[solemn music]
657
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:53,430
I was not much older
than they were,
658
00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:55,169
and I was looking at them
and thinking,
659
00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:58,910
"There but for
the grace of God."
660
00:36:59,042 --> 00:37:02,262
What if I had been dragged
into some cult like this?
661
00:37:02,394 --> 00:37:05,534
♪
662
00:37:05,658 --> 00:37:07,178
- The interest in this trial
has been created
663
00:37:07,312 --> 00:37:09,882
by the 60 reporters
who cover it.
664
00:37:10,010 --> 00:37:12,100
Each recess, they rush
from their assigned seats
665
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:14,930
in the courtroom to their
newly installed telephones
666
00:37:15,058 --> 00:37:18,018
across the hall to tell the
world the latest happening.
667
00:37:18,148 --> 00:37:19,928
- In those days
they allowed the press
668
00:37:20,063 --> 00:37:23,683
into the hallways
of the old Hall of Justice,
669
00:37:23,806 --> 00:37:28,286
and every camera crew in town
was up there along with us.
670
00:37:30,683 --> 00:37:34,563
Manson was brought in
for arraignment.
671
00:37:34,687 --> 00:37:36,987
And finally,
down a long hallway
672
00:37:37,124 --> 00:37:38,914
comes this little figure.
673
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:45,829
♪
674
00:38:01,627 --> 00:38:05,587
And the camera crews
went crazy.
675
00:38:05,718 --> 00:38:07,938
And they were pushing forward
against each other
676
00:38:08,068 --> 00:38:10,638
to get shots of him,
and they knocked
677
00:38:10,766 --> 00:38:13,246
a water fountain out
of the wall in the hallway,
678
00:38:13,378 --> 00:38:15,818
and the whole hallway
was flooded.
679
00:38:18,078 --> 00:38:20,338
And then when you saw
his picture on the cover
680
00:38:20,472 --> 00:38:23,952
of "Life" magazine with
the crazy eyes and the hair,
681
00:38:24,084 --> 00:38:26,304
he looked like
the devil incarnate.
682
00:38:32,832 --> 00:38:35,182
- Charles Manson, the leader
of a Los Angeles cult,
683
00:38:35,313 --> 00:38:37,493
charged with eight murders,
including Sharon Tate,
684
00:38:37,619 --> 00:38:40,009
was arraigned today.
685
00:38:40,143 --> 00:38:42,153
While he was in court,
the police were searching
686
00:38:42,276 --> 00:38:44,016
the ranch where his group
used to live,
687
00:38:44,147 --> 00:38:47,927
looking for evidence of other
murders they suspect occurred.
688
00:38:48,064 --> 00:38:50,594
For one, a movie stuntman
who moonlighted
689
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,639
as a beer-hall bouncer
who once had an argument
690
00:38:53,766 --> 00:38:56,636
with Manson
and has not been seen since.
691
00:38:56,769 --> 00:38:59,209
- Oh, I've known him
for ten years or more.
692
00:38:59,337 --> 00:39:03,247
We worked together in lots
of pictures and circuses.
693
00:39:03,384 --> 00:39:06,304
Shea came here to work on
a picture, do some stunt work,
694
00:39:06,431 --> 00:39:09,561
and he saw the gang
of hippies here.
695
00:39:09,695 --> 00:39:12,645
- Charlie Manson
thought Shorty Shea
696
00:39:12,785 --> 00:39:16,175
blew the whistle on the Family
for car theft.
697
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:18,490
When the sheriffs
raided the Spahn Ranch,
698
00:39:18,617 --> 00:39:21,357
Manson was furious.
699
00:39:21,489 --> 00:39:26,279
So when Charlie got released
from jail, he sought revenge.
700
00:39:26,407 --> 00:39:28,577
- He was supposed to have been
killed up here and buried.
701
00:39:28,714 --> 00:39:29,854
We've been trying
to find him ever since
702
00:39:29,976 --> 00:39:33,586
his life was threatened
and he disappeared.
703
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,629
- How do you know this?
704
00:39:35,764 --> 00:39:37,244
- That his life
was threatened?
705
00:39:37,375 --> 00:39:39,415
I was here
when it was threatened.
706
00:39:39,551 --> 00:39:41,551
- This area right in here
is where we're going.
707
00:39:41,683 --> 00:39:44,733
[ominous music]
708
00:39:44,860 --> 00:39:46,730
- The last valiant effort
to see what the boulders
709
00:39:46,862 --> 00:39:49,692
might conceal was made
with plenty of resources.
710
00:39:49,822 --> 00:39:53,002
And all that work revealed
was nothing.
711
00:39:53,129 --> 00:39:58,869
♪
712
00:39:59,005 --> 00:40:01,785
[clacking]
713
00:40:08,231 --> 00:40:10,281
- Susan Atkins had said
in the "LA Times"
714
00:40:10,408 --> 00:40:13,238
that they were all bloody
715
00:40:13,367 --> 00:40:15,537
and that Charlie told them
to take a change of clothes.
716
00:40:18,328 --> 00:40:21,458
The LAPD was looking
for the clothes
717
00:40:21,593 --> 00:40:26,213
the Manson family members wore
the night of the murder.
718
00:40:26,336 --> 00:40:29,596
And I said, "Look,
let us go back to Cielo Drive.
719
00:40:29,731 --> 00:40:32,041
I've got an idea."
720
00:40:32,168 --> 00:40:34,738
♪
721
00:40:34,867 --> 00:40:38,827
How long will it take me
to undress and redress
722
00:40:38,958 --> 00:40:41,998
in the backseat of this car,
driving up in the canyon?
723
00:40:43,876 --> 00:40:46,006
That gave us an idea
of where to look.
724
00:40:48,750 --> 00:40:50,270
Where we were?
725
00:40:50,404 --> 00:40:53,454
The first place
you could turn off the road.
726
00:40:53,581 --> 00:40:56,501
We timed ourselves
and tried to place ourselves
727
00:40:56,628 --> 00:40:58,758
in the same position that
the people would've been in
728
00:40:58,891 --> 00:41:01,461
that night after they
left the Tate house.
729
00:41:01,589 --> 00:41:03,719
6 minutes and 20 seconds
of moderate driving
730
00:41:03,852 --> 00:41:06,732
up Benedict Canyon
led us to this spot.
731
00:41:06,855 --> 00:41:09,075
And looking over
the edge of this hill,
732
00:41:09,205 --> 00:41:12,335
we found several pairs
of blue jeans
733
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:16,260
and what appear to be
some very dark sweatshirts.
734
00:41:16,386 --> 00:41:18,036
These shirts
and the blue jeans
735
00:41:18,171 --> 00:41:19,611
appear to have stains on them.
736
00:41:19,738 --> 00:41:21,438
So without hesitation,
737
00:41:21,566 --> 00:41:24,306
I call Lieutenant
Robert Helder, LAPD Homicide,
738
00:41:24,438 --> 00:41:27,438
and told him that
I think we have found
739
00:41:27,572 --> 00:41:29,232
the clothes
they're looking for.
740
00:41:29,356 --> 00:41:30,706
He said,
"What? Where are you?"
741
00:41:30,836 --> 00:41:32,786
I said, "Wait a minute.
742
00:41:32,925 --> 00:41:34,745
"I'm gonna tell you
exactly where I am,
743
00:41:34,883 --> 00:41:37,193
"but you're gonna
give me a promise.
744
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,410
"You're not gonna broadcast
this on any police frequency,
745
00:41:40,541 --> 00:41:42,761
"including the detective
frequency,
746
00:41:42,891 --> 00:41:44,631
because everybody
monitors that."
747
00:41:48,984 --> 00:41:52,474
This is where we found them.
It's right down there.
748
00:41:52,597 --> 00:41:54,157
There are several pairs
of blue jeans,
749
00:41:54,294 --> 00:41:58,214
and there are some
black T-shirts.
750
00:41:58,341 --> 00:41:59,781
What are you going to do
with the evidence now?
751
00:41:59,908 --> 00:42:01,818
- The evidence
will be transported
752
00:42:01,954 --> 00:42:04,784
to scientific
investigation division,
753
00:42:04,913 --> 00:42:06,183
the laboratory
at Parker Center,
754
00:42:06,306 --> 00:42:09,346
and examined by experts.
755
00:42:09,483 --> 00:42:12,923
- How did you get word about
this this afternoon?
756
00:42:13,052 --> 00:42:15,402
- We were notified by my boss,
Lieutenant Robert Helder,
757
00:42:15,533 --> 00:42:17,323
who received a phone call from
758
00:42:17,447 --> 00:42:19,057
what I believe
is Channel 7 News.
759
00:42:19,188 --> 00:42:21,798
- "Channel 7 News."
760
00:42:21,930 --> 00:42:23,760
See, he wouldn't say
"Eyewitness News."
761
00:42:23,889 --> 00:42:26,369
That would've been too much
of a commercial.
762
00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:29,330
[unsettling music]
763
00:42:29,459 --> 00:42:30,809
♪
764
00:42:30,939 --> 00:42:33,289
- Shortly after
the Tate killing,
765
00:42:33,420 --> 00:42:35,470
a little kid
off of Beverly Glen
766
00:42:35,596 --> 00:42:37,856
found the gun
that had been used.
767
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:40,430
And this kid was
a Crime Stoppers kind of kid.
768
00:42:40,558 --> 00:42:42,818
He and his dad took the gun
769
00:42:42,951 --> 00:42:45,351
to the Van Nuys
LAPD substation.
770
00:42:45,475 --> 00:42:47,905
The LAPD didn't know
it had the gun.
771
00:42:48,043 --> 00:42:50,353
It was looking for the gun
all these three months,
772
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,700
but it had been shelved
in Van Nuys.
773
00:42:52,831 --> 00:42:54,831
So a lot of missing pieces
774
00:42:54,963 --> 00:42:57,923
could've solved the crime
earlier.
775
00:42:58,053 --> 00:43:00,273
That's one of the reasons
this case was so terrifying
776
00:43:00,403 --> 00:43:02,843
to the city of Los Angeles,
because it took months
777
00:43:02,971 --> 00:43:05,841
before they got
to the bottom of it.
778
00:43:05,974 --> 00:43:09,594
[helicopter rotors thrumming]
779
00:43:09,717 --> 00:43:11,847
- Charles Watson,
one of the defendants
780
00:43:11,980 --> 00:43:13,770
in the Sharon Tate
murder case,
781
00:43:13,895 --> 00:43:15,325
contended through
an attorney today
782
00:43:15,462 --> 00:43:17,602
that he cannot get
a fair trial in California
783
00:43:17,725 --> 00:43:20,895
and should not be extradited
from Texas.
784
00:43:21,033 --> 00:43:22,773
- County attorney Tom Ryan
argued, however,
785
00:43:22,904 --> 00:43:24,514
that all of the material
evidence
786
00:43:24,645 --> 00:43:26,995
the defense were seeking
was not germane to this case,
787
00:43:27,126 --> 00:43:30,166
and the only thing the defense
was seeking was delay.
788
00:43:30,303 --> 00:43:32,353
Fingerprint experts testified
789
00:43:32,479 --> 00:43:35,439
that the same prints found
in California matched those
790
00:43:35,569 --> 00:43:37,959
of Charles Watson
here in McKinney.
791
00:43:38,093 --> 00:43:40,973
Judge Brown set the next
hearing for February the 16th.
792
00:43:41,096 --> 00:43:43,616
This is Carl Mayo in McKinney,
Channel 8 News.
793
00:43:47,973 --> 00:43:50,633
[indistinct chatter]
794
00:43:52,281 --> 00:43:54,631
[indistinct singing]
795
00:44:04,206 --> 00:44:05,506
- Turn around once girls will
you? [speaks indistinctly]
796
00:44:05,643 --> 00:44:07,863
[women singing indistinctly]
797
00:44:07,993 --> 00:44:09,263
- Fine, how are you?
798
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:18,310
- Beautiful, Charlie.
799
00:44:20,919 --> 00:44:22,089
- Yup.
800
00:44:28,056 --> 00:44:30,406
- For an attorney,
I have myself.
801
00:44:30,537 --> 00:44:32,667
- For an investigator,
I have myself.
802
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,720
I have no police officers
working for me.
803
00:44:34,846 --> 00:44:37,536
I have no access to any files.
I have no equipment.
804
00:44:37,675 --> 00:44:40,495
My office is a small cell.
805
00:44:40,634 --> 00:44:43,594
I may not take law books
into my cell.
806
00:44:43,724 --> 00:44:48,294
The jail law library is totally
inadequate for legal research.
807
00:44:48,424 --> 00:44:50,384
I may not have a phone
in my name.
808
00:44:50,513 --> 00:44:52,693
I may not receive calls.
809
00:44:52,820 --> 00:44:54,300
- Would you like to comment
on the letter
810
00:44:54,430 --> 00:44:55,950
Mr. Manson has written
Mr. Younger?
811
00:44:56,084 --> 00:44:57,134
- I'd like to change
the baby first.
812
00:44:57,259 --> 00:44:58,959
- Okay.
813
00:44:59,087 --> 00:45:00,957
- Daye, you represent
Susan Atkins?
814
00:45:01,089 --> 00:45:02,739
- That's correct.
- Now, I understand
815
00:45:02,874 --> 00:45:04,924
the rumor is, and maybe
you can confirm or deny it,
816
00:45:05,050 --> 00:45:08,010
that she is gonna deny
that everything she said
817
00:45:08,140 --> 00:45:09,710
on the witness stand
in the grand jury.
818
00:45:09,837 --> 00:45:11,707
- That's correct.
She--she's gonna deny
819
00:45:11,839 --> 00:45:13,749
all of the statements
made at the grand jury.
820
00:45:13,885 --> 00:45:16,535
And then they would have
to dismiss the indictment.
821
00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:19,330
And they may pursue her
for maybe perjury.
822
00:45:19,455 --> 00:45:20,935
But perjury's better
than murder.
823
00:45:21,066 --> 00:45:22,416
- [chuckles]
Thank you, Daye.
824
00:45:22,545 --> 00:45:24,585
- Is this your first case
that you'll be trying?
825
00:45:24,722 --> 00:45:26,422
- Yeah, this will be the first
case that I've ever tried.
826
00:45:26,549 --> 00:45:27,589
- How long have you been
an attorney?
827
00:45:27,725 --> 00:45:30,075
- Just since last June.
828
00:45:30,205 --> 00:45:34,945
- Ronald Hughes was this big,
kind of teddy bear guy who--
829
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,780
you could see him wearing
flowers in his hair.
830
00:45:38,910 --> 00:45:43,520
He lived in a garage
which had holes in the roof,
831
00:45:43,653 --> 00:45:45,313
and those who
went to visit him
832
00:45:45,438 --> 00:45:48,308
recalled the rain
pouring in on him.
833
00:45:48,441 --> 00:45:50,881
Very strange, but a sweet guy.
834
00:45:51,009 --> 00:45:53,099
Everybody liked Ron.
835
00:45:53,228 --> 00:45:55,058
- Do you feel you're capable
of defending him?
836
00:45:55,187 --> 00:45:57,757
- I believe that,
as Mr. Manson stated earlier,
837
00:45:57,885 --> 00:46:00,925
that no man is capable
of representing another.
838
00:46:01,062 --> 00:46:03,892
[dynamic music]
839
00:46:04,022 --> 00:46:06,112
♪
840
00:46:06,241 --> 00:46:08,721
- The district attorney's
office of Los Angeles county
841
00:46:08,853 --> 00:46:13,073
has--has chosen to use
the mass media
842
00:46:13,205 --> 00:46:17,555
to cast their ideas
into the community.
843
00:46:17,687 --> 00:46:20,427
- Irving Kanarek
was hired by Manson,
844
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,090
and Manson said, "If you don't
let me defend myself,
845
00:46:24,216 --> 00:46:26,776
I'm gonna get the worst lawyer
to defend me."
846
00:46:26,914 --> 00:46:29,054
And Kanarek said,
"I am the worst lawyer.
847
00:46:29,177 --> 00:46:32,347
"I'm the worst lawyer
when it comes to judges
848
00:46:32,485 --> 00:46:34,915
"and opposing attorneys.
849
00:46:35,053 --> 00:46:36,013
"They don't like me.
850
00:46:36,141 --> 00:46:37,451
They think I'm too effective."
851
00:46:37,577 --> 00:46:39,007
- It's bad for all of us.
852
00:46:39,144 --> 00:46:40,754
Any one of us
could be accused of a crime,
853
00:46:40,885 --> 00:46:43,055
and I ask,
would we like to be tried,
854
00:46:43,191 --> 00:46:45,191
or anyone that's
near and dear to us--
855
00:46:45,324 --> 00:46:47,154
would we want someone
near and dear to us to be tried
856
00:46:47,282 --> 00:46:49,942
in this carnival atmosphere
that we have right now?
857
00:46:50,068 --> 00:46:51,938
It's preposterous.
858
00:46:52,070 --> 00:46:54,680
[light tense music]
859
00:46:54,812 --> 00:46:56,422
- Paul Fitzgerald came in.
860
00:46:56,552 --> 00:46:59,122
He was in the public
defender's office.
861
00:46:59,251 --> 00:47:01,601
He felt that
Patricia Krenwinkel
862
00:47:01,731 --> 00:47:03,521
needed a good defense.
863
00:47:03,646 --> 00:47:05,466
He was forced to quit his job
864
00:47:05,605 --> 00:47:09,035
at the public defender's
office to do it, and he did.
865
00:47:09,174 --> 00:47:11,794
- We also intend to meet
with representatives
866
00:47:11,916 --> 00:47:13,476
of the district
attorney's office,
867
00:47:13,613 --> 00:47:16,663
Mr. Aaron Stovitz
and Mr. Vincent Bugliosi,
868
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:20,840
in order to determine
what witnesses, if any,
869
00:47:20,968 --> 00:47:23,538
they are going to call
at the time of trial.
870
00:47:23,666 --> 00:47:25,486
- Paul was dazzling
in the courtroom.
871
00:47:25,625 --> 00:47:27,705
He was basically
making the decisions
872
00:47:27,845 --> 00:47:29,975
for the whole defense team.
873
00:47:30,108 --> 00:47:36,898
♪
874
00:47:37,028 --> 00:47:40,158
- By then, there had been
a whole mythology--
875
00:47:40,292 --> 00:47:43,862
had already built up
about the Manson family.
876
00:47:43,991 --> 00:47:46,991
Everybody was waiting to hear
what this group was all about.
877
00:47:55,176 --> 00:47:57,566
- ♪ KHJ Weather
878
00:47:57,700 --> 00:47:59,750
- Mostly sunny today, a little
warmer with a high of 77.
879
00:47:59,877 --> 00:48:00,747
There will be light smog.
880
00:48:00,878 --> 00:48:03,578
Currently 64 in Hollywood.
881
00:48:04,577 --> 00:48:07,667
- On June 15th,
the case will be called.
882
00:48:07,797 --> 00:48:09,707
The court will ask
if all sides are ready,
883
00:48:09,843 --> 00:48:12,113
and then right then and there
the jury will be summoned,
884
00:48:12,237 --> 00:48:14,107
and for the next
several weeks,
885
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,019
we will be in the process
of selecting a jury.
886
00:48:19,113 --> 00:48:22,513
- We were sitting in the jury
assembly room in Los Angeles.
887
00:48:22,638 --> 00:48:24,768
The jury commissioner
came out and said,
888
00:48:24,902 --> 00:48:28,122
"Will the following names
that I draw out of this drum
889
00:48:28,253 --> 00:48:30,913
please go with all these cops?"
890
00:48:31,038 --> 00:48:35,908
And that got my suspicions up,
and anyway,
891
00:48:36,043 --> 00:48:38,923
my name was the first one
drawn out of the hopper.
892
00:48:42,832 --> 00:48:44,832
They took us in
a black and white prisoner bus
893
00:48:44,965 --> 00:48:48,615
over to the Hall of Justice,
went down by the morgue,
894
00:48:48,751 --> 00:48:51,231
up the freight elevator,
down a back hall,
895
00:48:51,363 --> 00:48:52,893
into the back
of the courtroom,
896
00:48:53,017 --> 00:48:56,147
where it was just
full of people.
897
00:48:56,281 --> 00:48:57,721
Still didn't know
what was going on,
898
00:48:57,847 --> 00:48:59,197
and the judge came out and said
899
00:48:59,327 --> 00:49:03,767
this is the People vs.
Charles Manson, Susan Atkins,
900
00:49:03,897 --> 00:49:07,677
Patricia Krenwinkel,
and Leslie Van Houten.
901
00:49:07,814 --> 00:49:12,214
- Tex Watson managed to dodge
extradition for almost a year,
902
00:49:12,340 --> 00:49:15,870
and he finally
had his own trial later.
903
00:49:15,996 --> 00:49:18,866
- It could take four or five
months just to get a jury
904
00:49:18,999 --> 00:49:20,699
because the attorneys,
all six of them,
905
00:49:20,827 --> 00:49:22,607
are going to be very selective.
906
00:49:22,742 --> 00:49:24,832
Because the people picked
are going to have to know
907
00:49:24,962 --> 00:49:27,182
that once the trial begins,
they're going to spend
908
00:49:27,312 --> 00:49:31,272
every night locked up
in a hotel room.
909
00:49:31,403 --> 00:49:33,843
- During jury selection,
my company let me know that,
910
00:49:33,971 --> 00:49:35,841
"We can't pay you
for that trial.
911
00:49:35,973 --> 00:49:37,763
That's gonna go a long time."
912
00:49:37,887 --> 00:49:39,587
And the judge says,
"Well, let me just write
913
00:49:39,715 --> 00:49:41,795
a little letter
to the company."
914
00:49:41,935 --> 00:49:43,755
They should be proud
to have their employee
915
00:49:43,893 --> 00:49:46,553
serve on jury duty,
and that they should pay me.
916
00:49:46,679 --> 00:49:49,289
And they did.
917
00:49:49,421 --> 00:49:50,941
- There will be few spectators
in court
918
00:49:51,075 --> 00:49:52,765
while the jury
is being selected.
919
00:49:52,902 --> 00:49:54,692
The room will be filled
with newsmen
920
00:49:54,817 --> 00:49:56,117
who have been assigned seats.
921
00:49:58,430 --> 00:50:01,130
Some of Manson's followers
tried to get in today.
922
00:50:01,259 --> 00:50:03,479
They were turned away.
923
00:50:06,438 --> 00:50:07,218
- Would you like to be
on the Manson jury?
924
00:50:07,352 --> 00:50:10,362
- No.
- Why not?
925
00:50:10,485 --> 00:50:14,395
- Because I think that no jury
could really do a good job
926
00:50:14,533 --> 00:50:17,453
because it's--it's been sort of
exploited and messed up
927
00:50:17,579 --> 00:50:19,929
by the--you know, by the media,
by the newspapers, and by TV,
928
00:50:20,060 --> 00:50:22,190
and they've just made
too much out of it, you know?
929
00:50:22,323 --> 00:50:23,983
- Manson jury?
930
00:50:24,108 --> 00:50:25,848
No, I wouldn't
wanna be on that jury.
931
00:50:25,979 --> 00:50:29,419
- Why not?
- Because I feel he's guilty.
932
00:50:29,548 --> 00:50:31,378
- This is one I don't want
to have anything to do with.
933
00:50:31,506 --> 00:50:33,466
This is one I don't want
to have anything to do with.
934
00:50:36,294 --> 00:50:38,824
[low suspenseful music]
935
00:50:38,948 --> 00:50:42,688
♪
936
00:50:42,822 --> 00:50:45,432
[indistinct chatter]
937
00:50:55,487 --> 00:50:57,357
- I don't accept the whole
situation, you know.
938
00:50:57,489 --> 00:50:59,749
Like, I was in the desert
minding my business.
939
00:51:01,884 --> 00:51:03,634
This confusion belongs to you.
940
00:51:03,756 --> 00:51:04,926
It's your confusion.
941
00:51:05,062 --> 00:51:06,632
I don't have any confusion.
942
00:51:06,759 --> 00:51:08,369
I don't have any guilt.
943
00:51:08,500 --> 00:51:10,590
I know what I've done,
and no man can judge me.
944
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,419
I judge me.
- Next.
945
00:51:13,548 --> 00:51:15,588
- I've stayed in the desert
and run with the coyotes
946
00:51:15,724 --> 00:51:17,474
and ate off the plants
947
00:51:17,596 --> 00:51:20,426
and found out you can live
out there without this society.
948
00:51:20,555 --> 00:51:23,075
And that's where
I'd like to go live, you know?
949
00:51:25,386 --> 00:51:27,036
Owe them anything?
950
00:51:27,171 --> 00:51:31,091
I've paid with 22 years
of my life.
951
00:51:31,218 --> 00:51:33,958
You know, I'm the other end
of your society.
952
00:51:34,091 --> 00:51:37,141
You know, so you can ride your
bicycles and do your thing.
953
00:51:37,268 --> 00:51:40,968
I've lived in your reform
schools and your orphanages.
954
00:51:41,098 --> 00:51:43,398
- Do you feel good feelings
towards the judge--
955
00:51:43,535 --> 00:51:46,405
- I feel a little nervous--
a little nervous.
956
00:51:46,538 --> 00:51:47,968
I feel good feelings
towards everything.
957
00:51:48,105 --> 00:51:52,365
I feel no bad.
I know no bad.
958
00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:54,290
- Okay, gentlemen,
that's about it.
959
00:51:54,415 --> 00:51:54,935
- Thank you
for your cooperation.
960
00:51:55,068 --> 00:51:57,238
[indistinct chatter]
961
00:51:59,246 --> 00:52:00,986
- Charles Manson
will be tried by a jury
962
00:52:01,118 --> 00:52:02,768
of seven men and five women.
963
00:52:02,902 --> 00:52:04,822
It took four weeks
964
00:52:04,947 --> 00:52:08,557
and 150 prospective jurors
to find them.
965
00:52:08,690 --> 00:52:11,260
[clacking]
966
00:52:12,955 --> 00:52:16,785
[soft dramatic music]
967
00:52:16,916 --> 00:52:19,436
- I worked for the "LA Times"
for seven years.
968
00:52:19,571 --> 00:52:21,361
The "Rolling Stone"
was looking for an LA editor,
969
00:52:21,486 --> 00:52:23,436
and so they hired me.
970
00:52:23,575 --> 00:52:27,005
One of the first assignments
was Manson,
971
00:52:27,144 --> 00:52:28,234
which I didn't
particularly like.
972
00:52:28,362 --> 00:52:30,502
I mean, I--you know, I--
I hadn't followed it.
973
00:52:30,625 --> 00:52:34,455
I wasn't really a crime writer
or anything like that.
974
00:52:34,586 --> 00:52:36,496
David Dalton
was also assigned to the story
975
00:52:36,631 --> 00:52:38,291
because he had hung out
with Dennis Wilson.
976
00:52:38,416 --> 00:52:40,976
♪
977
00:52:41,114 --> 00:52:43,424
Also, he knew the culture
much--he really was a hippie.
978
00:52:43,551 --> 00:52:45,381
So the two of us
actually brought
979
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:48,380
a kind of balance
to the story.
980
00:52:48,513 --> 00:52:50,043
- Quite sensibly,
981
00:52:50,167 --> 00:52:52,907
David was ambivalent
about the whole thing.
982
00:52:53,039 --> 00:52:56,129
He--he felt, you know,
he might've done it.
983
00:52:56,260 --> 00:52:59,390
And I and--and many,
many other hippies
984
00:52:59,524 --> 00:53:01,184
figured he had been railroaded.
985
00:53:01,308 --> 00:53:04,878
I argued with David Felton
the whole time.
986
00:53:05,007 --> 00:53:09,487
You--you know, like,
"You traitor to the cause."
987
00:53:09,621 --> 00:53:11,931
- We interviewed Manson
one afternoon in jail.
988
00:53:12,058 --> 00:53:14,188
His record manager,
Phil Kaufman,
989
00:53:14,321 --> 00:53:16,411
who he met in jail,
he got us in to see him,
990
00:53:16,541 --> 00:53:17,411
because he figured
"Rolling Stone"
991
00:53:17,542 --> 00:53:19,852
would promote his album.
992
00:53:19,979 --> 00:53:22,499
♪
993
00:53:22,634 --> 00:53:25,514
- You could see all these
different phases
994
00:53:25,637 --> 00:53:27,197
of his character
flashing in his face.
995
00:53:28,509 --> 00:53:32,819
That was scary to us.
996
00:53:32,948 --> 00:53:35,598
And then we spent time
on Spahn Ranch.
997
00:53:38,650 --> 00:53:42,440
The--the whole place
was alternately
998
00:53:42,567 --> 00:53:45,737
sort of joyful and spooky.
999
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:53,580
Every afternoon, we'd meet on
the steps of the Spahn's house
1000
00:53:53,708 --> 00:53:57,448
and tell stories about
the lake that had no bottom
1001
00:53:57,582 --> 00:54:00,022
or other improbable things.
1002
00:54:00,149 --> 00:54:03,499
They had this hive mentality.
1003
00:54:03,631 --> 00:54:06,461
They seemed
to be totally bonded,
1004
00:54:06,591 --> 00:54:11,551
channeling Charlie's thoughts
absolutely
1005
00:54:11,683 --> 00:54:15,433
because they're totally
indoctrinated with this.
1006
00:54:15,556 --> 00:54:18,856
♪
1007
00:54:18,994 --> 00:54:20,524
- I had contacted
the police department
1008
00:54:20,648 --> 00:54:22,998
and in the
the prosecutor's office.
1009
00:54:23,129 --> 00:54:24,829
The prosecutor, whose name
we disguised in the piece,
1010
00:54:24,957 --> 00:54:28,567
was Aaron Stovitz.
1011
00:54:28,700 --> 00:54:31,490
- We called him Porfiry
after the detective
1012
00:54:31,616 --> 00:54:32,916
in "Crime and Punishment."
1013
00:54:36,534 --> 00:54:38,934
I thought he was innocent.
1014
00:54:39,058 --> 00:54:42,838
I was, by now, a total believer
in all of this.
1015
00:54:42,975 --> 00:54:45,185
And he pulled out
these photographs--
1016
00:54:45,325 --> 00:54:47,145
they're, like,
4x4 police photographs
1017
00:54:47,284 --> 00:54:50,724
of the LaBianca murders,
1018
00:54:50,852 --> 00:54:54,202
and they're the most gruesome
things you--you can imagine,
1019
00:54:54,334 --> 00:54:59,604
and on it, I saw "piggies"
and "Helter Skelter" misspelled.
1020
00:54:59,731 --> 00:55:01,951
And at that point,
I knew they'd done it.
1021
00:55:02,081 --> 00:55:05,691
♪
1022
00:55:10,655 --> 00:55:12,825
[dramatic music]
1023
00:55:49,258 --> 00:55:51,038
♪
1024
00:55:51,173 --> 00:55:52,653
- Stovitz talked too much.
1025
00:55:52,784 --> 00:55:54,314
He--he loved telling
this story,
1026
00:55:54,438 --> 00:55:55,918
and he just told us
everything.
1027
00:55:56,048 --> 00:55:58,618
And we had offered to turn off
the tape recorder at any time,
1028
00:55:58,746 --> 00:56:00,266
and he never asked for it.
1029
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,710
- Mr. Stovitz had a private,
confidential conversation
1030
00:56:02,837 --> 00:56:04,667
with these people
from the "Rolling Stones."
1031
00:56:04,796 --> 00:56:07,226
They gave him their promises,
their assurances
1032
00:56:07,364 --> 00:56:10,064
that they would not put it
into their publication.
1033
00:56:10,192 --> 00:56:11,592
They breached that agreement,
and they are the ones, I think,
1034
00:56:11,716 --> 00:56:13,586
who violated the gag rule.
1035
00:56:13,718 --> 00:56:15,238
This was an obscure article
in a periodical
1036
00:56:15,372 --> 00:56:18,112
with limited circulation.
1037
00:56:18,244 --> 00:56:20,554
- The district attorney
was somewhat upset,
1038
00:56:20,681 --> 00:56:23,081
and he said to Mr. Stovitz,
1039
00:56:23,205 --> 00:56:25,685
"Aaron, if you carry on
this way, you know,
1040
00:56:25,817 --> 00:56:27,857
you're gonna be taken
off the case."
1041
00:56:27,993 --> 00:56:29,563
[tense music]
1042
00:56:29,690 --> 00:56:32,430
[clacking]
1043
00:56:35,740 --> 00:56:39,050
[helicopter rotors thrumming]
1044
00:56:39,178 --> 00:56:42,828
[tense music]
1045
00:56:42,964 --> 00:56:46,144
- The Manson trial was going
on at a time in our society
1046
00:56:46,272 --> 00:56:49,192
when everything was chaotic.
1047
00:56:49,318 --> 00:56:53,238
The Vietnam War
was raging overseas,
1048
00:56:53,366 --> 00:56:55,976
and there had been
two major assassinations.
1049
00:56:56,108 --> 00:56:58,068
[indistinct shouting]
1050
00:56:58,197 --> 00:57:01,637
And then to have
these crazy "hippies,"
1051
00:57:01,766 --> 00:57:04,766
as they called them then,
had engineered
1052
00:57:04,899 --> 00:57:08,559
one of the most ghastly crimes
in American history,
1053
00:57:08,686 --> 00:57:12,166
it was something that
1054
00:57:12,298 --> 00:57:15,738
just turned
everybody's minds around.
1055
00:57:15,867 --> 00:57:19,087
They said, "What is going on
in this world now?"
1056
00:57:19,218 --> 00:57:22,438
And so the Manson trial
became symbolic
1057
00:57:22,569 --> 00:57:26,139
of everything evil
that was happening in society.
1058
00:57:26,268 --> 00:57:28,578
- The world is getting crazy.
1059
00:57:28,706 --> 00:57:32,226
♪
1060
00:57:32,361 --> 00:57:34,321
- All the elements are present
for one of the most
1061
00:57:34,451 --> 00:57:38,061
sensational murder trials
in American history.
1062
00:57:38,193 --> 00:57:39,673
Seven people,
brutally murdered,
1063
00:57:39,804 --> 00:57:42,284
in the glare
of Hollywood publicity.
1064
00:57:42,415 --> 00:57:44,325
Involvement of a mystical
hippie clan,
1065
00:57:44,461 --> 00:57:46,641
which despised the straight,
affluent society.
1066
00:57:46,767 --> 00:57:48,767
[indistinct singing]
1067
00:57:48,900 --> 00:57:50,730
Young girls,
supposedly under the spell
1068
00:57:50,858 --> 00:57:53,118
of a bearded Svengali,
allegedly masterminded
1069
00:57:53,252 --> 00:57:55,432
the seven murders.
1070
00:57:55,559 --> 00:57:57,689
- It was testing
the justice system,
1071
00:57:57,822 --> 00:58:00,782
and whether it could cope.
1072
00:58:00,912 --> 00:58:03,132
And at times, it appeared
it could not.
1073
00:58:08,833 --> 00:58:11,533
[Cody Crump's "Burn"]
1074
00:58:11,662 --> 00:58:16,012
♪
1075
00:58:16,144 --> 00:58:18,194
- ♪ As we watch
1076
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:22,500
♪ This world burn
1077
00:58:22,629 --> 00:58:29,509
♪ A simple truth,
so hard to learn ♪
1078
00:58:29,636 --> 00:58:36,206
♪ When things go wrong,
it's hard to see ♪
1079
00:58:36,338 --> 00:58:39,688
♪ It's not just you
1080
00:58:39,820 --> 00:58:44,170
♪ But also me
1081
00:58:44,303 --> 00:58:51,223
♪ I will burn this
1082
00:58:51,353 --> 00:58:57,193
♪ World to the ground
1083
00:58:58,535 --> 00:59:01,535
- Greg, move your head!
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