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[car zooms past]
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- And so, this is it, you know?
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[Translator] "We don't remember
the kid," he says.
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[Gary Knight] You know,
the power of a photograph
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isn't the photograph itself,
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it's the relationship
with other people
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that form with that photograph
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that can really change things.
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[melancholic music]
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[Jeff Bowden] Six years ago, I
was in Dubrovnik with my family,
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and one morning, my daughter
came to me and she said,
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"Hey Dad, I heard there's
an exhibition of photographs
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"all taken by female
war photographers.
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Do you want to go?"
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And I said, "Sure, let's go."
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[melancholic music]
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I just remember
walking in front of it.
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I described it to a friend as
like a car wreck in my chest.
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*
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I'm not even aware of the
other people around me,
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I'm just fixated on this image.
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- I remember exactly
where it was.
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You know, you turn a corner
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and then the photograph
is on this wall,
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and he's standing in front of it
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with his arms crossed
and looking at it.
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Seeing his reaction to that
photograph, you know,
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is the first time that I have
ever seen him be in pain.
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- A kid stuck in
the middle of a war.
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It was as though that boy
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was really standing there,
shivering.
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There's a profound
sense of powerlessness.
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This child is trapped
in a very adult world.
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I just connected with
some sense of that,
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that being powerless or
being the subject of forces
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that are much larger than you.
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- You hope when you're
working in places like Kosovo
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that what you're photographing
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is something that will
resonate with people outside,
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that the events that
are taking place need,
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demand attention.
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[Jeff] Two years later,
Gracie gave me
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a print of the
photograph as a gift.
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I frame it and I
hang it in my office.
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It was the only
picture I had at home
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of someone other than my family.
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I saw this photograph
almost every day.
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And I had no idea
who this boy was
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or what happened to him
or what he'd gone through.
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After all of those quiet moments
over a long period of time,
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I came to a place where
I wanted go find him.
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I wanted to know what
happened to this boy.
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The day I got it, I started
looking up Alexandra,
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who took this.
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In fact, is it on the back?
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Maybe it's on the back.
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Let's see.
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Yeah.
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So on the back, there
was this certificate.
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And so, from getting this
to looking her up online,
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I learned she died and
in fact that she had
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a brain aneurysm, like
two and a half weeks
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after we went to see the
picture for the very first time.
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As interested as I
was at the gallery,
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I'm more interested now.
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[melancholic music]
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First, I wanted to know more
about Alexandra's photography,
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so I went to Sipa Press
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to see if they would let me
look at her archives.
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[Jeff] You think she's
in there?
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- I know she's in here.
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Here we go.
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Actually, this starts out with
a quote of Alexandra herself.
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"Between '91 and '99, I spent
a lot of time in Yugoslavia.
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"While I was
visiting the country,
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"a Serb spoke to me of a custom.
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"It was thought wise
to slip a weapon
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"under the pillows of children
before they fell asleep.
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"And while I was
listening to him,
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"I imagined these parents
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"and the childhood
of these children,
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"then their adolescence,
and a whole life influenced
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"by this gesture.
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"Then I slipped into the
sleep of these children
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"and it was like a dream,
a nightmare that shook
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this Balkan region during
the 10 years that followed."
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[Mete] This is just for
the negative,
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black and white and color.
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We have the...
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- Oh wow.
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Unbelievable.
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You know what, his whole
family may be in here.
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Central Kosovo, an
isolated refugee camp
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in the central mountains.
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Ten thousand ethnic
Albanians had been driven
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out of their homes by
Yugoslav security forces,
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October 1998.
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Central Kosovo, C32.
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- This one.
- Right.
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[Jeff] Exactly, exactly.
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- The story-- this one.
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Ah yeah, I remember this boy.
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[Jeff] Do you really?
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- Yeah.
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Yeah.
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What'd she say?
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[melancholic music]
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[Narrator] Alexandra Boulat
was born in Paris in 1962.
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She started out as a painter,
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and eventually found her way
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into the male-dominated world
of war photojournalism.
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She got her start on
assignments in Croatia,
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Kosovo, and Bosnia,
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with images appearing in
National Geographic, Time,
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Newsweek, and Paris Match.
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She joined Sipa Press
when she was 29 years old.
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[Jeff] I called Alexandra's
mother Annie and she said,
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"If you really want
to know my daughter,
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"you need to go
meet Gary Knight.
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They worked together during
the war in the Balkans."
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I'm on some journey
because of her.
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I'm just curious,
what was she like?
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- I first met Alex
in the restaurant
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of the Holiday Inn in Sarajevo.
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You had terrible, sort of,
Cold War-era architecture.
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It was the middle of
the siege of Sarajevo.
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You had to dodge
snipers when you left.
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It was a very, very
miserable place.
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And I remember when
Alex came in, you know,
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this really sophisticated,
beautiful French girl
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came into the room.
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It was extraordinary, you know?
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It was almost as if she was lit.
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- My earliest
memories of Alexandra
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are her trademark expression,
which is "Ooh la la."
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And that would
introduce a sentence
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but it might be ridiculous,
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like "Ooh la la, we are
in Kosovo, oh my God."
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- We called her Bou La La,
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'cause she would
always say 'Ooh la la,'
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and, yeah, so the nickname
that she has is Bou La La.
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I named my boat Bou La La
after her, actually, yes.
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- There was always
energy around her.
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She'd brighten us up
in unexpected ways
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and we're waiting for something
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for hours and hours and hours
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and wasting our time
getting frustrated
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and Alex was there to lighten--
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lighten us up with her
'Ooh la la.'
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[Ron Haviv] One of the most
important things about Alex
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was her dedication to her work.
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She was so hardworking
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and so smart about
what she was doing.
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We became fast friends, and we
worked together quite a lot.
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Then Alex, myself, and
five others founded VII.
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There's a lot of stuff that
she and I were together for.
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This...
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this.
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For this...
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for this.
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Um...
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[Jeff] At that time, were
you and she traveling together?
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[Ron] We were.
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- Okay.
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Were you with her
at this exact date?
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- I don't know.
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We would go back
every day to the area
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to document what was going on.
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This was a very
obviously important part
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of the story at the time
of people taking refuge.
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They were being expelled
from their villages
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and they were hiding
in the mountains.
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And it's quite possible that
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this kid could be over here
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and she just turned around
and I didn't see him
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or didn't photograph him
or whatever.
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- Alex was very, very interested
in the lives of others
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and exploring the
lives of others
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and communicating
about those lives
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and challenging the way that
we all think about the world.
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And I think Alex had already,
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even at this age and
this stage in her career,
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lived a pretty full life.
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I mean, she'd gone through a
lot of love, a lot of loss,
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a lot of fear, a lot of anxiety,
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a lot of pain, a lot of joy.
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And all of those things would've
informed her photography.
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The success of the picture
for me isn't the picture,
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it's where the
picture takes you.
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For starters, she's
photographing an ordinary person
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doing something very ordinary
at an extraordinary time.
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This is somebody who is
extremely anxious and concerned,
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and he would've been in
late 1998, or early '99,
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in Kosovo, for sure.
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[Jeff] I went back to
War Photo Limited
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to meet Wade.
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I hadn't met him on our
first visit to the gallery.
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He told me that the
original print of the boy
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was still on display upstairs.
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And he was exhibiting his own
photos from the Balkan wars
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for the very first time.
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You know, so many of his
images are of young people.
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[melancholic music]
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- So, just to know it's
a story of everyday life,
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this guy still insists
on covering his car.
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But when you see how many
holes that are already in it,
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I wonder why he bothers
to cover it, you know?
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- All in the front too.
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- Yeah, I mean, it's
shrapnel-ridden,
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for the trash.
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But yeah, he's determined
to keep the rain out.
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- So it's a fantastic picture.
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- But, you know, the
other irony is here
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that you see these ladies,
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they're lighting one
cigarette off another,
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because they don't
have lighters.
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Lighters ran out months ago.
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Nobody has a goddamn
lighter anywhere.
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Matches are gone.
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It's hard to find a light.
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That's how low things got.
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[melancholic music]
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[Narrator] Many say
the Yugoslav wars
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were Europe's deadliest
conflicts since World War II,
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infamous for the war crimes
of mass murder and genocide,
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resulting in the deaths
of 140,000 people.
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The conflicts in
the Balkan regions
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were ignited by the
collapse of communism,
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with the 1991 war in
Bosnia setting the stage
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for widespread brutality
that would take place
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in Kosovo starting in 1998.
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[melancholic music]
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- I told Wade, "I want to find
the boy in Alexandra's photo.
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"Do you think it's possible?
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And if it is, how do
I even go about it?"
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And almost immediately he said,
"There's one guy you need.
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You need Birol Urcan and I'll
put you in touch with him."
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Wow.
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Take a look at this.
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I'll never forget
the 11-hour drive
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from Dubrovnik into Kosovo.
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It really felt like
entering some other land.
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I have no idea what's next,
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and I only have one name: Birol.
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- I remember the roads,
you know?
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Like this kind of roads.
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And a very difficult time
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or very interesting
time of my life.
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It was like every day,
"Okay, I'm gonna die today?
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No. Okay, we survived today."
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Are we gonna see
any children dead?
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Or women or, you
know, just like,
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what do we see
today in the field?
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[Jeff] What is the fixer?
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- It's kind of a
guide, if you want,
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because in the newspaper
the journalist,
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definitely, the
reporter is the boss.
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Although there may be other
jealous colleagues from fixers
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but I was the best one getting
through the check points.
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I have this ability
of getting around
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in difficult situations.
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Can we go there, you know?
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Or can we reach on time?
Can we get back on time?
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Can we get any pictures?
How do we get there?
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Well, I'll take you there.
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The shortest,
fastest, safest way.
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- So I'm going this way?
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- Yes.
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- Hi, I'm Jeff.
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Really, thank you for coming
over here on Saturday.
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- Pleasure's all mine,
pleasure's all mine.
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- Until the point at
which I was willing
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to come over here with Birol,
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the only thing I had was
really whatever I'd read
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and just my experience.
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- It was probably
the moment when you
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thought of yourself as
a person who also has
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some responsibilities
that go beyond
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the family and the community.
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And then you said, "My God,
I must be oblivious
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"to the destinies of the
people across the world.
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This boy here reminds me
that there is a world"
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beyond, what, Dallas, or Texas?
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But the interpretation
of the photo
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is contaminated with
your cultural beliefs,
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what you see here.
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- Probably, sure.
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- In a way, it's so
American of you to just
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go somewhere and
meddle into something
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that you would sometimes
regret, "Why am I doing this?"
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It's so, I've seen this before.
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I mean...
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[Birol] I've seen all kinds.
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- I'm an American.
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- But really, it's so American
in a way that, you know,
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this naivete is a privilege.
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- I know.
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- Naivete, altruism,
humanism are privileges
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of people who have
safe and certain lives.
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- Oh, interesting, yeah.
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Well, I'd say this:
I can't even process numbers.
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When I hear numbers in the news,
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that just makes no sense to me.
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This makes utter sense to me.
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- Well, Mr. Walt Whitman.
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[Jeff laughs]
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I do understand your
entire inclination towards
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this great world of emotion.
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- I feel like I've
been cut up in here.
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[Dukagjin] We've just seen
all kinds.
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[Jeff laughs]
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No, but really.
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- You mean you've seen my kind.
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I think that's what you mean.
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- We've seen altruists
and we've seen humanists.
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We've seen terrorists.
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We've seen, so experience
makes the man.
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[road hum]
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[Jeff] Why did you say yes
to this?
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- It was interesting,
challenging,
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and brought me back to
the times of war somehow,
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which, in general, I don't
like those times, you know?
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But it was kind of a,
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I still think of myself
as a fixer, you know?
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I kind of was proud of what
I'm doing then, you know?
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Wade contacted me on Facebook,
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and I have kind of contact
with most of the people
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that I worked during the war
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and I know Wade from
the New York Times,
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but I haven't seen
him since then.
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So he comes for this,
you know what he says?
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"There's an American
guy looking for a boy
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and who was in a picture
taken by Alexandra Boulat."
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After that, Wade
sends me that picture
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and my first thing in my mind
is to put it on Facebook.
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But then I said, "Okay, yeah,
you put it on Facebook
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but that's not the way to,
how you solve this issue."
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It may take ages to
find him like that.
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And then I tried to draft
a plan kind of in my head,
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identifying the location where
the picture's been taken.
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[melancholic music]
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- Birol takes me west
of Pristina,
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into the Drenica Valley
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where he thought the
photograph was taken.
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We started by going
from school to school.
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This is it right here.
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We knew the boy wouldn't
still be in school
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because the picture had
been taken 14 years ago.
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We were hoping that by talking
to administrators or teachers
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that we would find
somebody who knew the boy
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or at least who knew
the boy's family.
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You're probably more
knowledgeable about
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than we are here.
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I really didn't know anything
about Kosovo when I showed up.
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It was really my
daughter who took me
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to the gallery the
very first time.
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It was the first time I ever
saw this picture of this boy.
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Birol comes up with this
idea of going on the news,
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so he contacts KTV,
the local news station
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to see if they'd do some
kind of story on the search,
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hoping that the reach
of the broadcast
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will turn up some kind of clue.
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[Jeff] We went to a
bunch of different schools,
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but we don't turn up
any promising leads.
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We tried to stay in that
valley, within, say, 50 miles.
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People would look at
the picture of the boy
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and disagree on where they
even thought it was taken
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or where to go look next.
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[melancholic music]
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- I combed through, I mean,
probably thousands
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of photographs online of
children from that war,
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looking for him.
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One night, it was probably
2:00 in the morning
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and I thought that I had found,
my dad was out of town,
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I thought that I had found
a photograph of him dead.
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- What we have gone through
in the Balkans is...
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has been shocking for us.
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It has been invisible
in terms of warfare,
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but it has been extremely
tragic in terms of death.
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So what you got and what you saw
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was a war done
against civilians,
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which is why we never
really called it a war.
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We called it massacres,
we called it tragedies,
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we called it...
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we called it...
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slaughter.
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The major aggressive narrative
back then was led by Serbia.
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For being the biggest republic
in the former Yugoslavia
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and the strongest one,
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Serbia and the Serbian
regime felt that
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Yugoslavia is being destroyed
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by runaway or
breakaway communities,
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namely, Croatians, Bosnians,
and specifically Albanians.
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So in the end, Serbian regime,
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which was led by
Slobodan Milosevic,
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they decided that
they could utilize
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whatever the grand institutional
legacy of Yugoslavia was,
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and that was the army.
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[mortar fires]
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[somber music]
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First clashes start
with Slovenia.
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They end that very quickly
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but the war then
transfers to Croatia.
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[shells exploding]
[somber music]
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It became obvious
that there's gonna be
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a very specific
take on this war,
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which was later to be
known as ethnic cleansing.
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[machine gun firing]
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The war then
transferred to Bosnia,
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which was even more
complicated ethnically.
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In order to produce some sort of
demographic logic in Bosnia,
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there had to be, they thought,
massive ethnic cleansing.
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[somber music]
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Deportations, and whoever
does not want to leave,
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mass killings.
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So Bosnia was one of the
most horrible moments
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in the Eastern European history.
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And then came Kosovo.
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[somber music]
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[mortar fires]
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[somber music]
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There was another very
specific take on Kosovo
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which made it
different from Bosnia,
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and that was the
ethnic cleansing
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not in terms of
specific enclaves
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but the ethnic cleansing
of the entire Kosovo.
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- It was always evident when
we were working in Bosnia
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that Kosovo, the war
in Kosovo would come,
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and as that war progressed,
it was evident
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that Kosovo would
be the endgame.
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[somber music]
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[Gary] There was no real good
reason for that war.
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It was a really mean,
hubristic war in the end.
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It was a war that should
never have happened.
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[Narrator] When Alexandra
started working in Kosovo,
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things were already desperate.
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850,000 Kosovar Albanians
were being displaced.
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Some were on trains
to Macedonia.
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Others were in plastic
tent refugee camps,
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protected by the
Kosovo Liberation Army
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or KLA.
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*
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[Gary] Certainly, by the
time Kosovo appeared,
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I had become really
angry with Milosevic.
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He had this huge
specter of war crimes
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that were not being prosecuted.
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So when I went to Kosovo,
I was determined to focus
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on the issue of war crimes.
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So I was seeking out
places where people
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were tortured and killed
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because that's the story
that I was really working on.
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My experience wasn't one
of the act of conflict.
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It was really the reconstruction
of it and the memory of it.
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So it was a different
kind of nightmare.
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*
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- You know, the
Balkans were a very
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dangerous place for journalists.
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At the end of that conflict,
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more journalists had been killed
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than any other war
since World War II.
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[Gary] When you are
confronted by danger,
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you respond to it as anybody
else would, generally speaking.
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You know, you feel it
and it will influence
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the decisions you make.
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But that obviously has an impact
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on the story you're
trying to tell,
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and the only function
of a journalist in a war
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is to tell the stories.
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[Ron] I think this photograph
is a good example
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of a single frame having impact.
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A friend of mine, a
Serbian photographer,
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got a phone call that
fighting had started
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just over the border in Bosnia.
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And so I arrived there
and then on the third
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or fourth day of fighting,
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Arkan, who was a
paramilitary leader
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of a group called
the Tigers arrived.
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Arkan was a very
charming psychopath,
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and Alex asked him if we
could take a portrait of him.
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When I saw Arkan again
during this battle,
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I reminded him that I had
photographed him with a tiger
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and I asked him if I could
go along with his troops,
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and they wound up
executing unarmed civilians
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in the middle of town
in front of a mosque.
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And while they were shooting
and people were screaming,
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the whole time they
were telling me,
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"Don't take any photographs.
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Don't take any photographs."
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There was a truck
that had crashed
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in the middle of the street
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and I went and sort
of stood by the truck,
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which blocked the view
of me from the soldiers,
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and photographed
the woman as she was
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trying to save her
husband's life,
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and then they shot her.
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And they brought another
woman and they shot her.
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And I didn't have a
photograph of the soldiers
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with the victims
in the same frame,
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and I thought it was
incredibly important,
504
00:29:14,586 --> 00:29:16,122
in order to be able to prove
505
00:29:16,155 --> 00:29:18,457
without any doubt
what was going on,
506
00:29:18,490 --> 00:29:20,292
to make sure that they
were in the same frame.
507
00:29:20,326 --> 00:29:22,929
So I had to go in the
middle of the street
508
00:29:22,962 --> 00:29:25,197
and I sort of just
framed the lens
509
00:29:25,231 --> 00:29:29,501
to get a photograph of
them walking by the bodies.
510
00:29:29,535 --> 00:29:32,471
And from my left
came this young kid,
511
00:29:32,504 --> 00:29:35,474
very brash, he was probably
about 18 or 19 at the time.
512
00:29:35,507 --> 00:29:36,442
He just came into the frame
513
00:29:36,475 --> 00:29:39,445
and brought his foot
back as if to kick them
514
00:29:39,478 --> 00:29:42,248
and I took two frames
and put the camera down,
515
00:29:42,281 --> 00:29:43,983
and they turned and looked at me
516
00:29:44,016 --> 00:29:45,985
and I gave them a big smile
517
00:29:46,018 --> 00:29:49,989
and they looked at me and
smiled and then we left.
518
00:29:50,022 --> 00:29:55,027
[melancholic music]
519
00:30:05,037 --> 00:30:07,473
- As I was questioning
this journey,
520
00:30:07,506 --> 00:30:10,376
Alexandra's mom told me
that her daughter believed
521
00:30:10,409 --> 00:30:14,346
we have a responsibility
to the things that move us.
522
00:30:16,182 --> 00:30:18,517
But as I learned about the war
and about what this country
523
00:30:18,550 --> 00:30:21,620
went through, I hoped I wasn't
just opening up old wounds
524
00:30:21,653 --> 00:30:23,355
or hurting anyone.
525
00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:29,595
[melancholic music]
526
00:30:38,604 --> 00:30:40,439
The next morning I turn
on my phone and the screen
527
00:30:40,472 --> 00:30:43,209
is lit up from texts and
phone calls from Birol.
528
00:30:43,242 --> 00:30:48,014
The texts say, "Call me,
someone has come forward."
529
00:30:48,047 --> 00:30:50,482
I head straight to meet
Birol, he's with the boy
530
00:30:50,516 --> 00:30:52,318
who's now in his late 20's.
531
00:30:54,186 --> 00:30:55,922
As I turn the corner though,
the first thing he says
532
00:30:55,955 --> 00:30:58,958
is no cameras.
533
00:30:58,991 --> 00:31:01,360
We start talking and he
seemed like he was about
534
00:31:01,393 --> 00:31:03,029
the right height.
535
00:31:03,062 --> 00:31:05,531
Seemed about the right shape.
536
00:31:05,564 --> 00:31:07,466
I start looking at his ears.
537
00:31:07,499 --> 00:31:09,435
I've been reading about how
ears are a better finger print
538
00:31:09,468 --> 00:31:12,271
than finger prints,
they just don't change.
539
00:31:12,304 --> 00:31:14,974
So as he's talking,
I keep looking at his ears
540
00:31:15,007 --> 00:31:16,909
and it's just not adding up
and at the same time
541
00:31:16,943 --> 00:31:18,510
his stories aren't connecting.
542
00:31:18,544 --> 00:31:20,913
Eventually I just
kind of hang my head,
543
00:31:20,947 --> 00:31:27,086
and I'm thinking, "Okay,
this is not the guy."
544
00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:32,124
- Photos like this are
signatures of a collective fate,
545
00:31:32,158 --> 00:31:34,126
a collective destiny.
546
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,328
I was gonna say
the way he looks,
547
00:31:36,362 --> 00:31:42,634
is the way a person who has
been through a lot looks like.
548
00:31:42,668 --> 00:31:45,071
You know how
Charles Bukowski says,
549
00:31:45,104 --> 00:31:47,006
"By the time you get 50,
everybody gets
550
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:49,641
the face he deserves,"
551
00:31:49,675 --> 00:31:54,680
but if you happen to be 12
and you get the face
552
00:31:54,713 --> 00:31:58,184
of a 50-year-old, then
probably something has gone
553
00:31:58,217 --> 00:31:59,986
badly wrong in your life.
554
00:32:00,019 --> 00:32:01,988
- Yeah.
555
00:32:02,021 --> 00:32:05,657
- What makes wars alike, wars
in Kosovo specifically,
556
00:32:05,691 --> 00:32:10,596
is that they were conducted
with such ruthlessness
557
00:32:10,629 --> 00:32:13,365
at the very end of
the 20th century.
558
00:32:13,399 --> 00:32:19,738
So, the horror of Kosovo is
the fact that it was so well
559
00:32:19,771 --> 00:32:22,041
documented.
560
00:32:22,074 --> 00:32:27,513
To be honest with you,
sometimes I wish it wasn't.
561
00:32:27,546 --> 00:32:31,650
Because what you have, what
you can find in archives
562
00:32:31,683 --> 00:32:36,688
across the world is
a nation exposed.
563
00:32:36,722 --> 00:32:40,526
Everybody saw how we look
when we are beaten up,
564
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:44,463
our houses burned, just
dumped there in their
565
00:32:44,496 --> 00:32:47,466
worst possible moments.
566
00:32:47,499 --> 00:32:51,037
And there's CNN going after
you asking you difficult things
567
00:32:51,070 --> 00:32:54,140
such as, "How do you feel?"
568
00:32:54,173 --> 00:32:55,674
How the hell do
you think I feel?
569
00:32:55,707 --> 00:32:58,677
My house has just
been burned down.
570
00:32:58,710 --> 00:33:01,680
- The fact that you stood there,
571
00:33:01,713 --> 00:33:04,250
and you didn't change
your expression,
572
00:33:04,283 --> 00:33:06,418
you didn't flinch,
you didn't uncross your arms,
573
00:33:06,452 --> 00:33:08,354
you didn't try to put
a smile on the face,
574
00:33:08,387 --> 00:33:11,490
that's why at least at
that moment in history,
575
00:33:11,523 --> 00:33:14,426
that's why the
world did something.
576
00:33:14,460 --> 00:33:19,231
- He is exposed, he knows that
you're taking a photo of him,
577
00:33:19,265 --> 00:33:22,234
he may know that you're doing
this so that the world knows,
578
00:33:22,268 --> 00:33:27,039
but he doesn't care because
everything he finds dear
579
00:33:27,073 --> 00:33:30,776
has gone in flames,
even his privacy.
580
00:33:30,809 --> 00:33:35,547
He is going to refuse to
be related to that photo.
581
00:33:38,784 --> 00:33:42,221
He doesn't want to be
the boy in the picture,
582
00:33:42,254 --> 00:33:45,424
he wants to be someone else,
just like me, and Birol,
583
00:33:45,457 --> 00:33:47,459
and everybody.
584
00:33:47,493 --> 00:33:51,130
We do not want to be
remembered as refugees.
585
00:33:51,163 --> 00:33:55,734
We want to be remembered as
natural and normal contemporary
586
00:33:55,767 --> 00:33:58,770
citizens of the world today.
587
00:34:00,806 --> 00:34:05,611
Privacy has to have
a level of amnesia.
588
00:34:05,644 --> 00:34:10,649
[melancholic music]
589
00:34:12,418 --> 00:34:17,456
[Jeff] The day's and nights
just seemed to drag on.
590
00:34:17,489 --> 00:34:20,726
I wasn't even sure
if he was alive.
591
00:34:20,759 --> 00:34:25,664
But then maybe he's right here,
cheering on his team.
592
00:34:25,697 --> 00:34:30,502
Maybe I just walked right past
him without even knowing it.
593
00:34:32,504 --> 00:34:36,842
Meanwhile, life in Pristina
kept moving forward.
594
00:34:36,875 --> 00:34:40,246
And yet the war still
echoed in the street.
595
00:34:40,279 --> 00:34:43,282
[somber music]
596
00:34:45,884 --> 00:34:49,355
- When you look at the picture,
it doesn't have a lot of action
597
00:34:49,388 --> 00:34:53,325
or it doesn't have a lot of,
it just single, quiet,
598
00:34:53,359 --> 00:34:55,661
very story telling picture.
599
00:34:55,694 --> 00:34:59,131
It was probably a quiet day,
it was probably a day
600
00:34:59,165 --> 00:35:01,467
where nothing was happening
and she wanted to do some
601
00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:02,801
pictures with the refugees.
602
00:35:02,834 --> 00:35:05,504
She just went like that
and she saw him.
603
00:35:05,537 --> 00:35:09,475
And she saw the
expression on his face,
604
00:35:09,508 --> 00:35:11,310
and she took a picture.
605
00:35:11,343 --> 00:35:12,311
I wouldn't.
606
00:35:16,215 --> 00:35:20,519
Here's the picture that
was trying to find.
607
00:35:20,552 --> 00:35:23,822
I was really young,
and I was really brave.
608
00:35:23,855 --> 00:35:26,358
And I went to a lot of
situations where I was--
609
00:35:26,392 --> 00:35:29,595
I mean, I don't know how I
survived basically.
610
00:35:29,628 --> 00:35:31,363
Nothing happened to me.
611
00:35:40,306 --> 00:35:42,874
- A lot of photographers
who cover war
612
00:35:42,908 --> 00:35:47,513
make it their business to
photograph war as a spectacle.
613
00:35:47,546 --> 00:35:49,648
And war can be a spectacle.
614
00:35:49,681 --> 00:35:51,717
Where I think most of us fail,
615
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:56,655
and I include myself
in this, is... we don't
616
00:35:56,688 --> 00:36:00,392
deal with the mundane, the
mundanity of ordinary life
617
00:36:00,426 --> 00:36:03,329
in a war is in fact a
spectacle in itself, right?
618
00:36:03,362 --> 00:36:05,664
There's nothing
exploding necessarily,
619
00:36:05,697 --> 00:36:08,734
there might not be
anything burning.
620
00:36:08,767 --> 00:36:11,403
And there may not be
guys firing guns in there
621
00:36:11,437 --> 00:36:16,242
but it's the impact of war
on society, and on civil life
622
00:36:16,275 --> 00:36:19,345
that I think is
really fundamental,
623
00:36:19,378 --> 00:36:21,713
and Alex understood
that very well.
624
00:36:21,747 --> 00:36:24,350
And she made it her business
in war, generally speaking
625
00:36:24,383 --> 00:36:27,553
to photograph the impact
of war on ordinary people.
626
00:36:46,805 --> 00:36:49,241
[Ron] There is absolutely a
way to show war without guns,
627
00:36:49,275 --> 00:36:52,811
and I think that actually
those photographs are so much
628
00:36:52,844 --> 00:36:54,513
more important
than the photograph
629
00:36:54,546 --> 00:36:56,315
of the soldier with the gun.
630
00:36:56,348 --> 00:37:01,720
The effect of war on civilian
population, what that means
631
00:37:01,753 --> 00:37:04,323
to daily life, what that
means to something that
632
00:37:04,356 --> 00:37:07,259
you and I and everyday
person can relate to,
633
00:37:07,293 --> 00:37:10,496
is like this is what happens
when war comes to you.
634
00:37:10,529 --> 00:37:12,698
You can't live in your home.
635
00:37:12,731 --> 00:37:14,466
You can't go shopping.
636
00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:17,836
You can't have your normal life,
you become displaced,
637
00:37:17,869 --> 00:37:20,739
you become a refugee,
you lose relatives.
638
00:37:20,772 --> 00:37:23,975
I mean that's the
real effect of war.
639
00:37:24,009 --> 00:37:27,946
And I think Alex's work without
question really explores
640
00:37:27,979 --> 00:37:31,350
that in a very deep
and important way.
641
00:37:33,685 --> 00:37:35,921
[Birol] When Milosevic
took over in Kosovo,
642
00:37:35,954 --> 00:37:38,857
we were desperate, repressive.
643
00:37:38,890 --> 00:37:42,060
No schools, no jobs,
no future, no nothing.
644
00:37:42,093 --> 00:37:47,299
So when KLA showed up,
most of the young people,
645
00:37:47,333 --> 00:37:51,770
even old people, middle-aged
people, everybody was excited.
646
00:37:51,803 --> 00:37:55,307
It was like oh my god you know,
647
00:37:55,341 --> 00:37:58,344
it is still one of the
happiest moments of my life
648
00:37:58,377 --> 00:38:03,749
because I see these guys in
uniform, I'm like oh my god
649
00:38:03,782 --> 00:38:06,518
this is my soldier.
650
00:38:09,721 --> 00:38:11,823
[Narrator] Adem Jashari led
the fight against
651
00:38:11,857 --> 00:38:14,760
the Soviet establishment
and was known as the father
652
00:38:14,793 --> 00:38:17,363
of the Kosovo Liberation Army.
653
00:38:17,396 --> 00:38:19,698
After several unsuccessful
attempts to capture
654
00:38:19,731 --> 00:38:22,501
or kill him, Serbian
forces launched an attack
655
00:38:22,534 --> 00:38:26,972
against Jashari's home in
Prekaz in March of 1998.
656
00:38:27,005 --> 00:38:29,541
The battle that followed
resulted in the
657
00:38:29,575 --> 00:38:32,344
death of 58 members of
Jashari's family,
658
00:38:32,378 --> 00:38:36,047
including Jashari himself,
his wife, and son.
659
00:38:36,081 --> 00:38:39,518
[Dukagjin] It was not the
first of the actions that
660
00:38:39,551 --> 00:38:43,422
were undertaken by
Serbian security forces.
661
00:38:43,455 --> 00:38:46,725
But it was the most shocking,
it was the most brutal
662
00:38:46,758 --> 00:38:51,697
and it was done with
a particular zeal.
663
00:38:51,730 --> 00:38:54,833
It was done as a show of,
not only force,
664
00:38:54,866 --> 00:39:00,005
but also as a show of
absolute mercilessness.
665
00:39:00,038 --> 00:39:04,610
What makes Jashari's tragedy
particularly interesting,
666
00:39:04,643 --> 00:39:07,413
and important is the
fact that it was done
667
00:39:07,446 --> 00:39:11,417
in front of the very eyes
of all international media.
668
00:39:13,419 --> 00:39:16,655
I was watching the entire
story from a little mountain.
669
00:39:16,688 --> 00:39:18,023
[Jeff] You were there?
670
00:39:18,056 --> 00:39:20,426
[Dukagjin] Yes of course.
671
00:39:20,459 --> 00:39:24,496
They've killed everybody,
they lined them up like cattle
672
00:39:24,530 --> 00:39:31,069
in the stable and opened the
scene for the world to see.
673
00:39:31,102 --> 00:39:35,741
I will of course
never forget the day
674
00:39:35,774 --> 00:39:42,047
when we went in the
stable to see the corpses.
675
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,585
And I was there together
with at least 100 TV crews,
676
00:39:46,618 --> 00:39:51,122
and everybody from
Reuters, to France Press,
677
00:39:51,156 --> 00:39:54,526
and Serb policeman looks at
you and you see in his eyes
678
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,829
that he is--
679
00:39:57,863 --> 00:39:59,798
[Jeff] He could kill you
and not feel a thing.
680
00:39:59,831 --> 00:40:02,133
- And not only that, but
it's as if you would see
681
00:40:02,167 --> 00:40:09,174
a little doggy crying
over his mom's corpse.
682
00:40:09,207 --> 00:40:15,647
You are a bit saddened, but
it's a dog nevertheless.
683
00:40:15,681 --> 00:40:17,616
- What's the message?
684
00:40:17,649 --> 00:40:19,951
- The message is
'You Albanians are the
685
00:40:19,985 --> 00:40:22,988
children of the lesser god.'
686
00:40:23,689 --> 00:40:31,630
'You're worth less, so killing
you is not really a crime.'
687
00:40:31,663 --> 00:40:34,533
But after that day,
exactly a day after,
688
00:40:34,566 --> 00:40:38,970
there were 200 thousand people
protesting in Pristina.
689
00:40:39,004 --> 00:40:41,006
This whole city was crowded.
690
00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:45,611
And ever since that day,
until this very day,
691
00:40:45,644 --> 00:40:51,082
Kosovo Albanians became
extremely aggressive.
692
00:40:51,116 --> 00:40:55,654
It truly has changed
our collective nature.
693
00:40:55,687 --> 00:40:57,155
- It's the Alamo.
694
00:40:57,188 --> 00:41:00,859
- It's literally the Alamo.
695
00:41:00,892 --> 00:41:05,897
[ominous music]
696
00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:44,770
[Jeff] During that time
over 150 thousand refugees
697
00:41:44,803 --> 00:41:47,773
were internally displaced,
and another 700 thousand
698
00:41:47,806 --> 00:41:51,242
were displaced
outside the county.
699
00:41:51,276 --> 00:41:54,746
So we were looking for a boy
who's one of 150 thousand people
700
00:41:54,780 --> 00:41:58,884
who'd moved into
these tented camps.
701
00:41:58,917 --> 00:42:01,920
The process of trying to find
him seemed at some moments,
702
00:42:01,953 --> 00:42:06,858
futile, no one remembered him.
703
00:42:06,892 --> 00:42:09,895
[melancholic music]
704
00:42:10,962 --> 00:42:13,565
[road hum]
705
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:16,568
Birol remained determined,
he arranged through Dardan
706
00:42:16,602 --> 00:42:19,104
for me to go on the biggest
television show in Kosovo,
707
00:42:19,137 --> 00:42:20,739
called Oxygen .
708
00:42:20,772 --> 00:42:22,107
I could tell he was thinking,
709
00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:24,743
"This is our last chance
to find this boy."
710
00:42:24,776 --> 00:42:26,077
- Oxygen is popular.
711
00:42:26,111 --> 00:42:28,747
It's popular also
in the villages.
712
00:42:28,780 --> 00:42:31,116
- How many people you think are
watching on any given night?
713
00:42:31,149 --> 00:42:33,819
- It's the most
popular for sure.
714
00:42:33,852 --> 00:42:41,092
Because we do not have
too many TV shows.
715
00:42:41,126 --> 00:42:44,129
[Balkan music]
716
00:42:59,945 --> 00:43:01,246
[applause]
717
00:43:01,279 --> 00:43:02,948
[door opens]
718
00:43:04,182 --> 00:43:06,084
[applause on TV]
719
00:43:13,191 --> 00:43:15,827
- Hello welcome my buddy,
how are you?
720
00:43:15,861 --> 00:43:17,696
- Nice to be here.
721
00:43:23,201 --> 00:43:27,038
- I'm here to try to locate
someone who is in this book,
722
00:43:27,072 --> 00:43:30,108
from a photograph that
was taken in 1998.
723
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,683
[Jeff on TV] Yeah, I wanted to
know who he is, who took it,
724
00:43:37,716 --> 00:43:39,651
and that's why I'm here.
725
00:43:39,685 --> 00:43:41,152
[applause]
726
00:43:53,231 --> 00:43:55,066
[applause]
727
00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:12,283
[applause]
728
00:44:12,317 --> 00:44:14,119
- Thank you.
729
00:44:14,152 --> 00:44:16,287
[upbeat TV show music]
730
00:44:18,924 --> 00:44:21,392
- I didn't see myself, by the
time Kosovo came around,
731
00:44:21,426 --> 00:44:26,031
in any way shape or form
as a neutral observer.
732
00:44:26,064 --> 00:44:28,166
I was a participant.
733
00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:31,903
And I think for a lot of the
journalists of my generation
734
00:44:31,937 --> 00:44:35,106
in that war we pretty much
all felt the same way.
735
00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:37,809
We were working with the media,
and I think we produced
736
00:44:37,843 --> 00:44:41,046
good journalism, fair
journalism, but we were really
737
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:44,382
actors in that story as well.
738
00:44:44,415 --> 00:44:46,852
Yeah we were very angry.
739
00:44:46,885 --> 00:44:50,121
- I think it's a combination
of understanding,
740
00:44:50,155 --> 00:44:53,424
for myself, that I understand
that I'm creating this document
741
00:44:53,458 --> 00:44:56,061
this body of evidence
for whatever is going on.
742
00:44:56,094 --> 00:45:00,265
I'm contributing to sort of the
historical record of humanity.
743
00:45:03,301 --> 00:45:05,370
It's often thought
of as a photographer
744
00:45:05,403 --> 00:45:07,773
covering these situations
when you're at a funeral
745
00:45:07,806 --> 00:45:10,909
that you're there exploiting
them and taking advantage
746
00:45:10,942 --> 00:45:12,978
of them, and how dare you.
747
00:45:13,011 --> 00:45:15,947
When in fact actually in these
situations these funerals are,
748
00:45:15,981 --> 00:45:19,050
in essence while
personal, are also
749
00:45:19,084 --> 00:45:20,986
for lack of a better word,
political.
750
00:45:21,019 --> 00:45:23,789
And I've been physically
grabbed by a relative,
751
00:45:23,822 --> 00:45:27,258
dragged into the room where
they're grieving over the body
752
00:45:27,292 --> 00:45:31,096
and told to photograph this,
why else are you here?
753
00:45:31,129 --> 00:45:33,999
Show the world what happened
to my mother, father,
754
00:45:34,032 --> 00:45:36,467
son, brother, tell them.
755
00:45:36,501 --> 00:45:39,470
He or she died because of X
756
00:45:39,504 --> 00:45:42,173
and I want the
world to know that.
757
00:45:45,276 --> 00:45:46,978
- I cried only
once in the field.
758
00:45:47,012 --> 00:45:48,146
[Jeff] What happened?
759
00:45:48,179 --> 00:45:51,316
- I got a call in the
morning it's 6:30.
760
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:54,285
It was the international
Red Cross guys,
761
00:45:54,319 --> 00:45:56,922
they said, "Birol, you
got to rush here.
762
00:45:56,955 --> 00:46:02,160
Horrible things happened
in the village of Hombri."
763
00:46:02,193 --> 00:46:04,395
I can not even describe it,
764
00:46:06,131 --> 00:46:07,966
I started crying.
765
00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:10,568
First time.
766
00:46:10,601 --> 00:46:14,005
Translating and crying,
you know,
767
00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:16,341
I still don't want to remember
this, but I did it, you know,
768
00:46:16,374 --> 00:46:18,509
and I hate this.
769
00:46:21,346 --> 00:46:24,515
And that's triggered
the change in the war.
770
00:46:24,549 --> 00:46:27,018
So that was the time after
this story they brought
771
00:46:27,052 --> 00:46:30,555
international observers.
772
00:46:30,588 --> 00:46:36,828
And I'm proud I was part of
the team that made it happen.
773
00:46:36,862 --> 00:46:39,831
Probably you know, like
New York Times article,
774
00:46:39,865 --> 00:46:43,201
had quite an influence on that.
775
00:46:43,234 --> 00:46:45,170
- Because of the work
of the journalists,
776
00:46:45,203 --> 00:46:49,540
the fact that we were there
on the ground again in Kosovo,
777
00:46:49,574 --> 00:46:51,977
photographing the same thing
and putting visual pressure
778
00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:55,847
and telling stories,
not just the photography.
779
00:46:55,881 --> 00:46:58,216
Tony Blair and
President Clinton,
780
00:46:58,249 --> 00:47:01,019
they started to act much faster.
781
00:47:01,052 --> 00:47:05,223
[music becoming more upbeat]
782
00:47:05,256 --> 00:47:07,893
[Bill Clinton] My fellow
Americans, today our
783
00:47:07,926 --> 00:47:11,029
armed forces joined our NATO
allies in air strikes against
784
00:47:11,062 --> 00:47:15,066
Serbian forces responsible
for the brutality in Kosovo.
785
00:47:15,100 --> 00:47:19,370
We have acted with resolve
for several reasons.
786
00:47:19,404 --> 00:47:22,373
We act to protect thousands
of innocent people in Kosovo
787
00:47:22,407 --> 00:47:24,910
from a mounting
military offensive.
788
00:47:24,943 --> 00:47:28,013
We act to prevent a wider war,
to diffuse a powder keg
789
00:47:28,046 --> 00:47:30,515
at the heart of Europe that
has exploded twice before
790
00:47:30,548 --> 00:47:34,953
in this century with
catastrophic results.
791
00:47:34,986 --> 00:47:38,556
And we act to stand united
with our allies for peace.
792
00:47:38,589 --> 00:47:42,060
- There's Bill Clinton.
793
00:47:42,093 --> 00:47:43,561
Do people really love him here?
794
00:47:43,594 --> 00:47:44,495
[Birol] Absolutely.
795
00:47:44,529 --> 00:47:45,396
[Jeff] Really?
796
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:46,297
[Birol] Ya.
797
00:47:46,331 --> 00:47:47,332
- How long has this
statue been here?
798
00:47:47,365 --> 00:47:51,502
- The statue has been here
like two years now.
799
00:47:51,536 --> 00:47:52,570
- Really?
800
00:47:52,603 --> 00:47:55,440
- But it was named Bill Clinton
Square immediately
801
00:47:55,473 --> 00:47:56,541
after the war.
802
00:47:56,574 --> 00:47:57,775
- Oh really?
803
00:47:57,808 --> 00:48:01,112
[Birol] I mean, he would win
any elections for his lifetime
804
00:48:01,146 --> 00:48:01,512
in Kosovo forever.
805
00:48:01,546 --> 00:48:02,447
- Really.
806
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,682
- There's no question about it.
807
00:48:04,715 --> 00:48:09,921
[dance music]
808
00:48:29,540 --> 00:48:31,242
[Jeff] Wait, what is
that store?
809
00:48:31,276 --> 00:48:35,613
[Dardan] "Hillary"-- that is the
store when Hillary visited
810
00:48:35,646 --> 00:48:39,951
Kosovo she stopped to see
the Bill Clinton statue,
811
00:48:39,985 --> 00:48:43,154
and then she entered in
this shop and the owner
812
00:48:43,188 --> 00:48:48,493
gave her a present, some
clothes from the shop
813
00:48:48,526 --> 00:48:51,729
and she took it and
it was on the news.
814
00:48:51,762 --> 00:48:53,098
[chuckles]
815
00:49:05,543 --> 00:49:16,421
["Star Spangled Banner"
instrumental rendition]
816
00:49:16,454 --> 00:49:20,058
- Oh my word, wow.
817
00:49:23,661 --> 00:49:26,464
[Jeff] Oh my goodness gracious.
818
00:49:26,497 --> 00:49:31,502
[music continues]
819
00:49:33,671 --> 00:49:35,073
[Jeff] Incredible.
820
00:49:38,276 --> 00:49:40,311
[Jeff] Wow, and he is more
proud of America
821
00:49:40,345 --> 00:49:42,013
than a lot of Americans.
822
00:49:42,047 --> 00:49:45,083
If Bill Clinton walked into
this room, what would he do?
823
00:50:00,431 --> 00:50:03,068
- Let me tell you why this
is interesting to me.
824
00:50:03,101 --> 00:50:05,503
Because if you went in any
house in the United States,
825
00:50:05,536 --> 00:50:08,573
you would not see these two
pictures in the same room.
826
00:50:13,411 --> 00:50:14,612
Thank you.
827
00:50:16,214 --> 00:50:21,219
[show theme music]
828
00:50:22,620 --> 00:50:24,589
[Host] Welcome!
829
00:50:39,104 --> 00:50:41,406
[applause]
830
00:50:42,173 --> 00:50:45,110
- I'm checking email and I see
an urgent note from Birol.
831
00:50:45,143 --> 00:50:49,314
The first sentence is, "I'm
proud to report we have him."
832
00:50:50,648 --> 00:50:53,484
- I was just glad to know
that he was safe
833
00:50:53,518 --> 00:50:57,755
and I was super, super excited.
834
00:50:57,788 --> 00:50:59,557
I was like, I want to go.
835
00:50:59,590 --> 00:51:04,595
[upbeat music]
836
00:51:10,835 --> 00:51:12,103
[Jeff] Hey man how are you?
837
00:51:12,137 --> 00:51:13,304
[Birol] Welcome again.
838
00:51:13,338 --> 00:51:14,605
[Jeff] Good to be here.
839
00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:16,241
[Birol] Absolutely good
to see you, hi.
840
00:51:16,274 --> 00:51:18,143
[Gracie] How are you, thank you,
it's nice to meet you.
841
00:51:18,176 --> 00:51:20,278
[Jeff]] We were all just
kind of floating,
842
00:51:20,311 --> 00:51:23,114
like, "Wow, we found this guy,"
843
00:51:23,148 --> 00:51:26,517
and that felt fantastic,
you know?
844
00:51:26,551 --> 00:51:28,786
Turns out his name was Sadik.
845
00:51:28,819 --> 00:51:31,322
I said Birol, what does
he do, what's his work?
846
00:51:31,356 --> 00:51:34,559
And he said, he is
a wedding singer.
847
00:51:34,592 --> 00:51:36,294
He said which is a big deal.
848
00:51:36,327 --> 00:51:41,299
But I think his dream
was to be a pop singer.
849
00:51:41,332 --> 00:51:45,470
And one of his dreams was to
perform on the TV show Oxygen .
850
00:51:45,503 --> 00:51:46,737
- Immediately when my dad
found out that
851
00:51:46,771 --> 00:51:48,473
he was a wedding singer,
he talked to Birol like,
852
00:51:48,506 --> 00:51:50,475
maybe we can do something.
853
00:51:50,508 --> 00:51:53,611
And so it was this, we thought
this super exciting thing
854
00:51:53,644 --> 00:51:58,549
that maybe this could be his--
maybe this is his shot.
855
00:51:58,583 --> 00:52:00,585
This is different, is this it?
856
00:52:05,323 --> 00:52:09,327
- Yeah this is it,
I went on so...
857
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:10,728
[Gracie] Do you see him?
858
00:52:10,761 --> 00:52:15,366
- No but we need, let me go in
the back and find Birol.
859
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,403
[ambient chatter]
860
00:52:25,243 --> 00:52:28,313
[Gracie] I was pretty nervous,
if this kid is just like,
861
00:52:28,346 --> 00:52:30,315
hey nice to meet you,
862
00:52:30,848 --> 00:52:32,183
you know, that's it.
863
00:52:33,651 --> 00:52:36,421
You know, my dad's
gonna be crushed.
864
00:52:36,454 --> 00:52:40,625
- Oh yeah, hey Birol,
I walked right by you.
865
00:52:40,658 --> 00:52:42,793
So which is he?
866
00:52:42,827 --> 00:52:45,230
Wow, how are you?
867
00:52:45,263 --> 00:52:48,866
Good to see you,
what did he say?
868
00:52:48,899 --> 00:52:49,934
- Welcome to Kosovo.
869
00:52:49,967 --> 00:52:52,503
- Oh thank you, thank you,
okay good to see you.
870
00:52:52,537 --> 00:52:55,306
It's great to meet you
after this long time.
871
00:52:55,340 --> 00:52:57,375
Good to see you.
872
00:52:57,408 --> 00:52:58,976
All of you, all
of you came today.
873
00:52:59,009 --> 00:53:01,612
He didn't see the
original newscast that had
874
00:53:01,646 --> 00:53:03,914
the photograph in it, but
one of his sisters did.
875
00:53:03,948 --> 00:53:06,417
And when she heard the story
she said, "That's my sweater,
876
00:53:06,451 --> 00:53:08,586
that's my blue sweater."
877
00:53:08,619 --> 00:53:11,256
And she knew they had cut
the sleeves off of it.
878
00:53:20,465 --> 00:53:21,699
[Jeff] Oh thank you.
879
00:53:28,339 --> 00:53:30,375
[Jeff] What was that one moment
like when he's like,
880
00:53:30,408 --> 00:53:32,543
"Wow that looks like me?"
881
00:53:35,045 --> 00:53:37,848
[Birol] I was very, we call
it an emotion,
882
00:53:37,882 --> 00:53:39,417
it means excited.
883
00:54:01,739 --> 00:54:06,744
[emotional music]
884
00:54:09,947 --> 00:54:12,917
[Gracie] My heart was
just pounding,
885
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:15,520
I mean I would hug him
and then look at him,
886
00:54:15,553 --> 00:54:17,322
and then hug him,
and then look at him.
887
00:54:17,355 --> 00:54:21,326
I just couldn't believe that
he was right in front of me.
888
00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:24,829
[Jeff] Did he ever think
during that first day,
889
00:54:24,862 --> 00:54:27,765
"Oh I really don't want
to fool with this?"
890
00:54:34,872 --> 00:54:39,977
- I think what I wanted is, that
picture is part of the story,
891
00:54:40,010 --> 00:54:42,847
I didn't want it to
be the whole story.
892
00:55:01,432 --> 00:55:03,568
- Are his parents alive,
and if they are,
893
00:55:03,601 --> 00:55:06,537
do they know about this?
894
00:55:06,571 --> 00:55:07,772
[Birol translating] Yes.
895
00:55:07,805 --> 00:55:09,674
- And what do they think
about it?
896
00:55:09,707 --> 00:55:13,544
[Birol translating to Sadik]
897
00:55:20,618 --> 00:55:24,355
- Yeah, you're the
guest of honor.
898
00:55:24,389 --> 00:55:27,024
[applause]
899
00:55:33,163 --> 00:55:33,998
[applause]
900
00:55:37,402 --> 00:55:39,837
[applause]
901
00:55:48,779 --> 00:55:50,915
- I'm thrilled to find Sadik.
902
00:56:08,633 --> 00:56:11,068
[laughter and applause]
903
00:56:16,774 --> 00:56:19,977
- Tonight is I'm sure the
start of a great friendship,
904
00:56:20,010 --> 00:56:22,980
and it's a friendship that
in some ways is similar
905
00:56:23,013 --> 00:56:25,049
to the friendship of
America and Kosovo,
906
00:56:25,082 --> 00:56:27,117
and I'm thrilled to
be some part of that.
907
00:56:27,151 --> 00:56:29,119
And I'll look forward to
wherever the adventure
908
00:56:29,153 --> 00:56:30,621
takes us from tonight.
909
00:56:30,655 --> 00:56:33,090
[applause]
910
00:57:10,495 --> 00:57:12,463
[applause]
911
00:57:12,497 --> 00:57:15,500
[traditional music]
912
00:57:17,802 --> 00:57:22,807
[sings in foreign language]
913
00:57:46,296 --> 00:57:47,464
[applause]
914
00:57:50,535 --> 00:57:53,003
[applause]
915
00:57:53,037 --> 00:57:55,039
[Host] Bravo!
916
00:57:55,906 --> 00:58:00,911
[emotional piano music]
917
00:58:06,851 --> 00:58:12,557
[cars passing]
918
00:58:12,590 --> 00:58:14,859
[Jeff] The next day, we traveled
with Sadik to his village
919
00:58:14,892 --> 00:58:18,829
to have a traditional Albanian
dinner with his family.
920
00:58:18,863 --> 00:58:21,065
If you could sing with
any three artists?
921
00:58:21,699 --> 00:58:25,035
[Sadik]
922
00:58:25,069 --> 00:58:27,071
- Oh, yeah?
- Ah, yes.
923
00:58:31,341 --> 00:58:33,578
[Sadik]
924
00:58:33,611 --> 00:58:36,714
- And what's your favorite
Bryan Adams song?
925
00:58:36,747 --> 00:58:39,183
* You tell me
926
00:58:39,216 --> 00:58:41,786
[humming]
927
00:58:41,819 --> 00:58:46,757
* Know it's true,
everything I do
928
00:58:46,791 --> 00:58:54,031
* Oh, I do it for you
929
00:58:54,064 --> 00:58:56,266
[cheering and applause]
930
00:58:58,769 --> 00:59:00,204
[Jeff] Sadik, is this right?
931
00:59:00,237 --> 00:59:03,240
- Yes, yes, go, go.
932
00:59:03,273 --> 00:59:05,743
[laughing]
933
00:59:27,765 --> 00:59:29,099
- There's his dad.
934
00:59:32,703 --> 00:59:34,138
[Jeff] Nice to see you.
935
00:59:34,972 --> 00:59:36,040
- Hello, how are you?
936
00:59:36,073 --> 00:59:38,108
[Jeff] Nice to see you.
937
00:59:43,413 --> 00:59:44,649
[Jashar] It's cold, huh?
938
00:59:44,682 --> 00:59:45,282
[Jeff] Yeah, it's freezing.
939
00:59:45,315 --> 00:59:46,283
[laughing]
940
00:59:46,316 --> 00:59:47,752
[Jashar] Yeah.
941
00:59:47,785 --> 00:59:48,853
[Jeff] Yeah, it's freezing.
942
00:59:48,886 --> 00:59:49,553
[Jashar] Not so much.
943
00:59:49,586 --> 00:59:51,922
- I'm from Texas where it's hot.
944
00:59:51,956 --> 00:59:55,159
[Jashar]
945
00:59:55,693 --> 00:59:59,764
- You know, I felt like I was in
a really special place.
946
00:59:59,797 --> 01:00:01,666
I mean, I knew that
they'd spent seven years
947
01:00:01,699 --> 01:00:03,000
trying to rebuild that house,
948
01:00:03,033 --> 01:00:04,769
after it was burned down.
949
01:00:08,272 --> 01:00:10,140
How are you related
to the family?
950
01:00:10,174 --> 01:00:11,842
- Yeah, we're family.
951
01:00:11,876 --> 01:00:13,343
[indiscernible]
952
01:00:13,377 --> 01:00:16,013
[Jeff] So, Sadik is your cousin?
953
01:00:16,046 --> 01:00:17,247
Well, nice to meet you.
954
01:00:17,281 --> 01:00:18,983
- Thank you. Also.
955
01:00:19,016 --> 01:00:23,253
[indiscernible chatter]
956
01:00:23,287 --> 01:00:24,254
[Jeff] You knew her?
957
01:00:24,288 --> 01:00:25,790
- This was my mother.
958
01:00:25,823 --> 01:00:26,691
[Jeff] Really?
959
01:00:26,724 --> 01:00:30,961
[Jashar]
960
01:00:30,995 --> 01:00:34,832
[Shani]
961
01:00:34,865 --> 01:00:40,871
[Jashar]
962
01:00:40,905 --> 01:00:42,940
[Jeff] Really?
963
01:00:42,973 --> 01:00:49,013
[indiscernible chatter]
964
01:00:49,046 --> 01:00:52,316
[Jeff] Hey, did you see
this one over here?
965
01:00:52,349 --> 01:00:53,684
Is this you?
966
01:00:53,718 --> 01:00:55,019
- Yeah.
967
01:00:55,052 --> 01:00:57,021
- Do you remember the
photographer?
968
01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:24,381
- They walked two and a
half days, Sadik says.
969
01:01:40,898 --> 01:01:43,968
[Jeff] Was everything still
here when you got here?
970
01:01:48,939 --> 01:01:50,808
- Do you remember it?
971
01:01:54,311 --> 01:01:59,817
[silence]
972
01:01:59,850 --> 01:02:04,288
[barking in the distance]
973
01:02:14,198 --> 01:02:16,801
- Serbs were fighting and
were shelling our village.
974
01:02:16,834 --> 01:02:19,303
We thought that it
would be safe here,
975
01:02:19,336 --> 01:02:22,840
to seek refuge in
the mountains, here.
976
01:02:22,873 --> 01:02:27,144
[barking in the distance]
977
01:02:54,538 --> 01:02:56,573
- But I don't want
to see them anymore.
978
01:02:56,606 --> 01:02:58,008
Ever.
979
01:03:01,178 --> 01:03:04,815
[indiscernible chatter]
980
01:03:04,849 --> 01:03:07,284
- Sadik asked me to see the
photos that I had taken
981
01:03:07,317 --> 01:03:08,953
the night before.
982
01:03:10,554 --> 01:03:12,056
[laughing]
983
01:03:12,089 --> 01:03:13,323
[Gracie] There's a couple?
984
01:03:15,225 --> 01:03:18,295
[laughing]
985
01:03:21,165 --> 01:03:22,566
Somehow, for him not
speaking English,
986
01:03:22,599 --> 01:03:24,534
you know, we went through
all the photos, you know,
987
01:03:24,568 --> 01:03:26,203
and his friend was
translating a little bit.
988
01:03:26,236 --> 01:03:28,605
After dinner, I could see
that there was some shuffling
989
01:03:28,638 --> 01:03:33,077
or what not, and the mom
has these yellow flowers,
990
01:03:33,110 --> 01:03:35,612
and this chocolate,
and just held onto me,
991
01:03:35,645 --> 01:03:38,382
and said thank you, and
I could hear Sadik say,
992
01:03:38,415 --> 01:03:40,050
you know, that's from me.
993
01:03:40,084 --> 01:03:41,051
[Gracie] That's from you?
994
01:03:41,085 --> 01:03:42,452
Thank you.
995
01:03:42,486 --> 01:03:43,888
Thank you very much.
996
01:03:43,921 --> 01:03:45,355
Thank you.
997
01:03:45,389 --> 01:03:50,394
[soft uplifting music]
998
01:04:03,307 --> 01:04:06,043
[Jeff] After the war,
the family rebuilt their home,
999
01:04:06,076 --> 01:04:10,414
and Sadik went back to school
like a lot of the other kids.
1000
01:04:10,447 --> 01:04:15,119
Started singing when
he was pretty young.
1001
01:04:15,152 --> 01:04:18,488
After high school, he
started singing in weddings.
1002
01:04:24,294 --> 01:04:26,897
His parents are older, and so,
1003
01:04:26,931 --> 01:04:29,934
they really do rely on him.
1004
01:04:32,269 --> 01:04:35,372
[slow dramatic music]
1005
01:04:35,405 --> 01:04:37,441
Kosovo's gone through
hard times since the end
1006
01:04:37,474 --> 01:04:39,676
of the war, and it's
tough to find jobs,
1007
01:04:39,709 --> 01:04:43,580
especially for
people Sadik's age,
1008
01:04:43,613 --> 01:04:46,383
but eventually, he found
work in construction,
1009
01:04:46,416 --> 01:04:50,287
so he gets by,
but it's not easy.
1010
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:53,457
Are you gonna be playing the
guitar or something, too?
1011
01:04:57,427 --> 01:04:59,463
[Jeff] Well, they're definitely
making it harder.
1012
01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:06,003
[singing in foreign language]
1013
01:05:06,036 --> 01:05:08,939
[Jeff] Sadik dreams
of a music career,
1014
01:05:08,973 --> 01:05:11,408
and singing live on national
television with Oxygen
1015
01:05:11,441 --> 01:05:15,012
gave him a sense of
something bigger.
1016
01:05:15,045 --> 01:05:17,247
He doesn't like asking for help,
1017
01:05:17,281 --> 01:05:20,184
but I've really tried
to encourage him.
1018
01:05:23,420 --> 01:05:26,256
With the help of
his oldest sister,
1019
01:05:26,290 --> 01:05:30,127
we tried to get a work visa
for Sadik for Germany,
1020
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,629
where he'd have
more opportunity.
1021
01:05:34,398 --> 01:05:37,968
We tried three times,
but it didn't work out.
1022
01:05:40,270 --> 01:05:41,638
- Test.
1023
01:05:41,671 --> 01:05:43,607
[Jeff] I helped him make
a music video,
1024
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,043
but then, he went on
to make one of his own.
1025
01:05:46,076 --> 01:05:50,047
I was thrilled when I found
out that he had done that.
1026
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:56,653
[singing in foreign language -
romantic techno music]
1027
01:05:56,686 --> 01:06:05,062
*
1028
01:06:05,095 --> 01:06:08,332
[Wade] The picture has a life,
it continues to live.
1029
01:06:08,365 --> 01:06:11,468
I mean, it's living now,
and all of this movement
1030
01:06:11,501 --> 01:06:16,073
around the world is all
because of this one photograph,
1031
01:06:16,106 --> 01:06:18,542
and, for me, that's
amazing, you know,
1032
01:06:18,575 --> 01:06:22,646
that's a miracle that
this photograph is alive.
1033
01:06:22,679 --> 01:06:26,316
- The story of Jeff being
affected by Alex's photograph
1034
01:06:26,350 --> 01:06:29,786
makes perfect sense to me,
and I think it's something
1035
01:06:29,819 --> 01:06:32,722
that I think she would be
very happy to know about,
1036
01:06:32,756 --> 01:06:35,359
because, in the end, that's
what we want as photographers,
1037
01:06:35,392 --> 01:06:39,063
you want the connection,
you want that effect.
1038
01:06:39,096 --> 01:06:41,198
I mean, it starts
with one person.
1039
01:06:42,732 --> 01:06:48,505
[singing in foreign language -
dance music]
1040
01:06:48,538 --> 01:06:55,045
*
1041
01:06:55,079 --> 01:06:58,182
[Jeff] Alexander's mother,
early on, I asked her,
1042
01:06:58,215 --> 01:07:01,818
"How would your daughter feel
about me going to do this?"
1043
01:07:01,851 --> 01:07:04,421
And she said, "Not only
would she be okay with it,
1044
01:07:04,454 --> 01:07:06,090
she would have gone with you."
1045
01:07:06,123 --> 01:07:08,192
This was the whole
point of her work,
1046
01:07:08,225 --> 01:07:10,594
this was the whole
point of her life,
1047
01:07:10,627 --> 01:07:14,498
to take images that
really moved people.
1048
01:07:14,531 --> 01:07:19,536
[slow dramatic music]
1049
01:07:24,441 --> 01:07:27,444
When I look at it now,
I don't see the same photograph
1050
01:07:27,477 --> 01:07:30,780
that I saw-- that war photo.
1051
01:07:30,814 --> 01:07:33,383
I see a real person,
I know that person,
1052
01:07:33,417 --> 01:07:34,784
I know his mother,
I know his father,
1053
01:07:34,818 --> 01:07:41,091
I know Birol, and Dardan,
and that picture, now,
1054
01:07:41,125 --> 01:07:43,460
it's almost gone from
being a single frame
1055
01:07:43,493 --> 01:07:46,563
to part of this continuum,
1056
01:07:47,431 --> 01:07:50,167
and we are all a part of that.
1057
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:54,871
[dramatic music]
1058
01:07:54,904 --> 01:08:00,210
In the war, were there
people all up here?
1059
01:08:00,244 --> 01:08:02,546
Oh, down. Yeah.
1060
01:08:02,579 --> 01:08:04,814
Your tent, yeah.
1061
01:08:04,848 --> 01:08:08,618
Will he ever come here
again in his life?
1062
01:08:16,593 --> 01:08:22,632
[rain falling, dramatic music]
1063
01:08:53,597 --> 01:08:55,499
- How long was he here?
1064
01:09:02,406 --> 01:09:04,508
- So, for him,
1065
01:09:04,541 --> 01:09:06,610
is this a safe place?
1066
01:09:09,646 --> 01:09:12,349
- This was a safe place.
1067
01:09:12,382 --> 01:09:15,685
Yeah.
1068
01:09:18,355 --> 01:09:20,357
- Yeah. Yeah.
1069
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:24,528
Yeah, today it's all right.
1070
01:09:25,762 --> 01:09:27,364
[Jeff] We should go.
1071
01:09:27,397 --> 01:09:32,402
[slow dramatic music]
1072
01:09:34,871 --> 01:09:44,848
[upbeat emotional music]
1073
01:09:44,881 --> 01:09:47,884
*
1074
01:10:55,084 --> 01:10:58,288
[faster tempo upbeat music]
1075
01:11:42,499 --> 01:11:45,502
[Balkan music]
1076
01:12:10,026 --> 01:12:13,029
[slow dramatic music]
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