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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,269 --> 00:00:04,272 [Balkan music] 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:35,236 --> 00:00:40,241 [somber music] 5 00:01:10,271 --> 00:01:11,071 [car zooms past] 6 00:01:13,541 --> 00:01:16,277 - And so, this is it, you know? 7 00:01:16,310 --> 00:01:20,114 [Translator] "We don't remember the kid," he says. 8 00:01:22,916 --> 00:01:24,885 [Gary Knight] You know, the power of a photograph 9 00:01:24,918 --> 00:01:26,720 isn't the photograph itself, 10 00:01:26,754 --> 00:01:28,722 it's the relationship with other people 11 00:01:28,756 --> 00:01:31,359 that form with that photograph 12 00:01:31,392 --> 00:01:32,560 that can really change things. 13 00:01:32,593 --> 00:01:37,598 [melancholic music] 14 00:01:41,635 --> 00:01:46,307 [Jeff Bowden] Six years ago, I was in Dubrovnik with my family, 15 00:01:46,340 --> 00:01:48,909 and one morning, my daughter came to me and she said, 16 00:01:48,942 --> 00:01:52,780 "Hey Dad, I heard there's an exhibition of photographs 17 00:01:52,813 --> 00:01:55,616 "all taken by female war photographers. 18 00:01:55,649 --> 00:01:57,185 Do you want to go?" 19 00:01:57,218 --> 00:01:59,653 And I said, "Sure, let's go." 20 00:02:00,888 --> 00:02:05,893 [melancholic music] 21 00:02:11,865 --> 00:02:15,369 I just remember walking in front of it. 22 00:02:15,403 --> 00:02:18,939 I described it to a friend as like a car wreck in my chest. 23 00:02:18,972 --> 00:02:24,245 * 24 00:02:24,278 --> 00:02:26,414 I'm not even aware of the other people around me, 25 00:02:26,447 --> 00:02:29,650 I'm just fixated on this image. 26 00:02:29,683 --> 00:02:31,585 - I remember exactly where it was. 27 00:02:31,619 --> 00:02:33,687 You know, you turn a corner 28 00:02:33,721 --> 00:02:35,489 and then the photograph is on this wall, 29 00:02:35,523 --> 00:02:38,259 and he's standing in front of it 30 00:02:38,292 --> 00:02:40,894 with his arms crossed and looking at it. 31 00:02:40,928 --> 00:02:42,963 Seeing his reaction to that photograph, you know, 32 00:02:42,996 --> 00:02:48,269 is the first time that I have ever seen him be in pain. 33 00:02:48,302 --> 00:02:50,638 - A kid stuck in the middle of a war. 34 00:02:50,671 --> 00:02:52,740 It was as though that boy 35 00:02:52,773 --> 00:02:57,345 was really standing there, shivering. 36 00:02:57,378 --> 00:03:00,514 There's a profound sense of powerlessness. 37 00:03:00,548 --> 00:03:06,854 This child is trapped in a very adult world. 38 00:03:06,887 --> 00:03:11,359 I just connected with some sense of that, 39 00:03:11,392 --> 00:03:14,828 that being powerless or being the subject of forces 40 00:03:14,862 --> 00:03:17,265 that are much larger than you. 41 00:03:20,033 --> 00:03:24,705 - You hope when you're working in places like Kosovo 42 00:03:24,738 --> 00:03:28,542 that what you're photographing 43 00:03:28,576 --> 00:03:31,812 is something that will resonate with people outside, 44 00:03:31,845 --> 00:03:36,684 that the events that are taking place need, 45 00:03:36,717 --> 00:03:38,419 demand attention. 46 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:41,489 [Jeff] Two years later, Gracie gave me 47 00:03:41,522 --> 00:03:44,425 a print of the photograph as a gift. 48 00:03:44,458 --> 00:03:47,295 I frame it and I hang it in my office. 49 00:03:47,328 --> 00:03:48,862 It was the only picture I had at home 50 00:03:48,896 --> 00:03:52,733 of someone other than my family. 51 00:03:52,766 --> 00:03:55,769 I saw this photograph almost every day. 52 00:03:55,803 --> 00:03:58,439 And I had no idea who this boy was 53 00:03:58,472 --> 00:04:01,975 or what happened to him or what he'd gone through. 54 00:04:02,009 --> 00:04:07,315 After all of those quiet moments over a long period of time, 55 00:04:07,348 --> 00:04:10,984 I came to a place where I wanted go find him. 56 00:04:11,018 --> 00:04:15,323 I wanted to know what happened to this boy. 57 00:04:15,356 --> 00:04:20,394 The day I got it, I started looking up Alexandra, 58 00:04:20,428 --> 00:04:21,795 who took this. 59 00:04:21,829 --> 00:04:24,532 In fact, is it on the back? 60 00:04:24,565 --> 00:04:25,766 Maybe it's on the back. 61 00:04:28,836 --> 00:04:30,003 Let's see. 62 00:04:30,037 --> 00:04:31,004 Yeah. 63 00:04:31,038 --> 00:04:33,974 So on the back, there was this certificate. 64 00:04:34,007 --> 00:04:40,881 And so, from getting this to looking her up online, 65 00:04:40,914 --> 00:04:43,684 I learned she died and in fact that she had 66 00:04:43,717 --> 00:04:47,521 a brain aneurysm, like two and a half weeks 67 00:04:47,555 --> 00:04:50,558 after we went to see the picture for the very first time. 68 00:04:50,591 --> 00:04:51,925 As interested as I was at the gallery, 69 00:04:51,959 --> 00:04:53,494 I'm more interested now. 70 00:04:53,527 --> 00:04:58,532 [melancholic music] 71 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,636 First, I wanted to know more about Alexandra's photography, 72 00:05:02,670 --> 00:05:04,472 so I went to Sipa Press 73 00:05:04,505 --> 00:05:09,309 to see if they would let me look at her archives. 74 00:05:14,848 --> 00:05:15,783 [Jeff] You think she's in there? 75 00:05:15,816 --> 00:05:17,851 - I know she's in here. 76 00:05:17,885 --> 00:05:19,553 Here we go. 77 00:05:19,587 --> 00:05:24,024 Actually, this starts out with a quote of Alexandra herself. 78 00:05:24,057 --> 00:05:29,763 "Between '91 and '99, I spent a lot of time in Yugoslavia. 79 00:05:29,797 --> 00:05:31,732 "While I was visiting the country, 80 00:05:31,765 --> 00:05:34,768 "a Serb spoke to me of a custom. 81 00:05:34,802 --> 00:05:39,773 "It was thought wise to slip a weapon 82 00:05:39,807 --> 00:05:45,145 "under the pillows of children before they fell asleep. 83 00:05:45,178 --> 00:05:46,680 "And while I was listening to him, 84 00:05:46,714 --> 00:05:48,949 "I imagined these parents 85 00:05:48,982 --> 00:05:52,152 "and the childhood of these children, 86 00:05:52,185 --> 00:05:57,591 "then their adolescence, and a whole life influenced 87 00:05:57,625 --> 00:06:00,027 "by this gesture. 88 00:06:00,060 --> 00:06:03,697 "Then I slipped into the sleep of these children 89 00:06:03,731 --> 00:06:07,701 "and it was like a dream, a nightmare that shook 90 00:06:07,735 --> 00:06:12,540 this Balkan region during the 10 years that followed." 91 00:06:15,809 --> 00:06:17,711 [Mete] This is just for the negative, 92 00:06:17,745 --> 00:06:19,447 black and white and color. 93 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,583 We have the... 94 00:06:22,616 --> 00:06:24,852 - Oh wow. 95 00:06:24,885 --> 00:06:27,087 Unbelievable. 96 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,057 You know what, his whole family may be in here. 97 00:06:30,090 --> 00:06:32,726 Central Kosovo, an isolated refugee camp 98 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:33,761 in the central mountains. 99 00:06:33,794 --> 00:06:36,096 Ten thousand ethnic Albanians had been driven 100 00:06:36,129 --> 00:06:38,699 out of their homes by Yugoslav security forces, 101 00:06:38,732 --> 00:06:41,201 October 1998. 102 00:06:41,234 --> 00:06:43,637 Central Kosovo, C32. 103 00:06:43,671 --> 00:06:44,605 - This one. - Right. 104 00:06:44,638 --> 00:06:46,640 [Jeff] Exactly, exactly. 105 00:06:51,612 --> 00:06:54,081 - The story-- this one. 106 00:06:54,114 --> 00:06:56,083 Ah yeah, I remember this boy. 107 00:06:56,116 --> 00:06:56,917 [Jeff] Do you really? 108 00:06:56,950 --> 00:06:58,185 - Yeah. 109 00:06:58,218 --> 00:06:59,820 Yeah. 110 00:07:04,925 --> 00:07:06,093 What'd she say? 111 00:07:26,113 --> 00:07:31,118 [melancholic music] 112 00:07:33,754 --> 00:07:37,891 [Narrator] Alexandra Boulat was born in Paris in 1962. 113 00:07:37,925 --> 00:07:39,660 She started out as a painter, 114 00:07:39,693 --> 00:07:40,861 and eventually found her way 115 00:07:40,894 --> 00:07:45,132 into the male-dominated world of war photojournalism. 116 00:07:45,165 --> 00:07:47,701 She got her start on assignments in Croatia, 117 00:07:47,735 --> 00:07:49,269 Kosovo, and Bosnia, 118 00:07:49,302 --> 00:07:52,806 with images appearing in National Geographic, Time, 119 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,876 Newsweek, and Paris Match. 120 00:07:55,909 --> 00:07:58,912 She joined Sipa Press when she was 29 years old. 121 00:08:01,615 --> 00:08:03,851 [Jeff] I called Alexandra's mother Annie and she said, 122 00:08:03,884 --> 00:08:05,819 "If you really want to know my daughter, 123 00:08:05,853 --> 00:08:07,521 "you need to go meet Gary Knight. 124 00:08:07,555 --> 00:08:11,592 They worked together during the war in the Balkans." 125 00:08:11,625 --> 00:08:13,661 I'm on some journey because of her. 126 00:08:13,694 --> 00:08:16,129 I'm just curious, what was she like? 127 00:08:16,163 --> 00:08:19,567 - I first met Alex in the restaurant 128 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,671 of the Holiday Inn in Sarajevo. 129 00:08:23,704 --> 00:08:27,841 You had terrible, sort of, Cold War-era architecture. 130 00:08:27,875 --> 00:08:30,944 It was the middle of the siege of Sarajevo. 131 00:08:30,978 --> 00:08:32,312 You had to dodge snipers when you left. 132 00:08:32,345 --> 00:08:34,948 It was a very, very miserable place. 133 00:08:34,982 --> 00:08:37,551 And I remember when Alex came in, you know, 134 00:08:37,585 --> 00:08:42,155 this really sophisticated, beautiful French girl 135 00:08:42,189 --> 00:08:43,256 came into the room. 136 00:08:43,290 --> 00:08:45,959 It was extraordinary, you know? 137 00:08:45,993 --> 00:08:47,795 It was almost as if she was lit. 138 00:08:50,598 --> 00:08:52,900 - My earliest memories of Alexandra 139 00:08:52,933 --> 00:08:58,806 are her trademark expression, which is "Ooh la la." 140 00:08:58,839 --> 00:09:01,709 And that would introduce a sentence 141 00:09:01,742 --> 00:09:03,577 but it might be ridiculous, 142 00:09:03,611 --> 00:09:07,581 like "Ooh la la, we are in Kosovo, oh my God." 143 00:09:07,615 --> 00:09:10,718 - We called her Bou La La, 144 00:09:10,751 --> 00:09:12,653 'cause she would always say 'Ooh la la,' 145 00:09:12,686 --> 00:09:16,790 and, yeah, so the nickname that she has is Bou La La. 146 00:09:16,824 --> 00:09:20,227 I named my boat Bou La La after her, actually, yes. 147 00:09:20,260 --> 00:09:23,296 - There was always energy around her. 148 00:09:23,330 --> 00:09:26,366 She'd brighten us up in unexpected ways 149 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:28,368 and we're waiting for something 150 00:09:28,401 --> 00:09:30,103 for hours and hours and hours 151 00:09:30,137 --> 00:09:33,073 and wasting our time getting frustrated 152 00:09:33,106 --> 00:09:36,109 and Alex was there to lighten-- 153 00:09:36,143 --> 00:09:39,279 lighten us up with her 'Ooh la la.' 154 00:09:39,312 --> 00:09:41,982 [Ron Haviv] One of the most important things about Alex 155 00:09:42,015 --> 00:09:43,917 was her dedication to her work. 156 00:09:43,951 --> 00:09:45,919 She was so hardworking 157 00:09:45,953 --> 00:09:49,256 and so smart about what she was doing. 158 00:09:49,289 --> 00:09:54,127 We became fast friends, and we worked together quite a lot. 159 00:09:54,161 --> 00:09:59,733 Then Alex, myself, and five others founded VII. 160 00:09:59,767 --> 00:10:02,402 There's a lot of stuff that she and I were together for. 161 00:10:02,435 --> 00:10:03,170 This... 162 00:10:03,203 --> 00:10:04,304 this. 163 00:10:04,337 --> 00:10:05,639 For this... 164 00:10:05,673 --> 00:10:06,940 for this. 165 00:10:06,974 --> 00:10:08,408 Um... 166 00:10:08,441 --> 00:10:10,678 [Jeff] At that time, were you and she traveling together? 167 00:10:10,711 --> 00:10:11,311 [Ron] We were. 168 00:10:11,344 --> 00:10:12,212 - Okay. 169 00:10:12,245 --> 00:10:15,348 Were you with her at this exact date? 170 00:10:15,382 --> 00:10:16,216 - I don't know. 171 00:10:16,249 --> 00:10:18,852 We would go back every day to the area 172 00:10:18,886 --> 00:10:20,988 to document what was going on. 173 00:10:21,021 --> 00:10:23,290 This was a very obviously important part 174 00:10:23,323 --> 00:10:26,326 of the story at the time of people taking refuge. 175 00:10:26,359 --> 00:10:28,028 They were being expelled from their villages 176 00:10:28,061 --> 00:10:29,797 and they were hiding in the mountains. 177 00:10:29,830 --> 00:10:32,966 And it's quite possible that 178 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,203 this kid could be over here 179 00:10:36,236 --> 00:10:38,839 and she just turned around and I didn't see him 180 00:10:38,872 --> 00:10:41,341 or didn't photograph him or whatever. 181 00:10:41,374 --> 00:10:44,444 - Alex was very, very interested in the lives of others 182 00:10:44,477 --> 00:10:46,146 and exploring the lives of others 183 00:10:46,179 --> 00:10:47,815 and communicating about those lives 184 00:10:47,848 --> 00:10:50,818 and challenging the way that we all think about the world. 185 00:10:50,851 --> 00:10:53,821 And I think Alex had already, 186 00:10:53,854 --> 00:10:55,989 even at this age and this stage in her career, 187 00:10:56,023 --> 00:10:57,190 lived a pretty full life. 188 00:10:57,224 --> 00:10:59,159 I mean, she'd gone through a lot of love, a lot of loss, 189 00:10:59,192 --> 00:11:01,228 a lot of fear, a lot of anxiety, 190 00:11:01,261 --> 00:11:03,997 a lot of pain, a lot of joy. 191 00:11:04,031 --> 00:11:10,470 And all of those things would've informed her photography. 192 00:11:10,503 --> 00:11:12,773 The success of the picture for me isn't the picture, 193 00:11:12,806 --> 00:11:15,442 it's where the picture takes you. 194 00:11:15,475 --> 00:11:20,280 For starters, she's photographing an ordinary person 195 00:11:20,313 --> 00:11:25,085 doing something very ordinary at an extraordinary time. 196 00:11:25,118 --> 00:11:30,423 This is somebody who is extremely anxious and concerned, 197 00:11:30,457 --> 00:11:34,027 and he would've been in late 1998, or early '99, 198 00:11:34,061 --> 00:11:36,429 in Kosovo, for sure. 199 00:11:37,898 --> 00:11:39,867 [Jeff] I went back to War Photo Limited 200 00:11:39,900 --> 00:11:40,968 to meet Wade. 201 00:11:41,001 --> 00:11:43,370 I hadn't met him on our first visit to the gallery. 202 00:11:43,403 --> 00:11:45,205 He told me that the original print of the boy 203 00:11:45,238 --> 00:11:47,407 was still on display upstairs. 204 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,943 And he was exhibiting his own photos from the Balkan wars 205 00:11:49,977 --> 00:11:52,780 for the very first time. 206 00:11:56,083 --> 00:11:59,953 You know, so many of his images are of young people. 207 00:11:59,987 --> 00:12:04,992 [melancholic music] 208 00:12:12,966 --> 00:12:15,803 - So, just to know it's a story of everyday life, 209 00:12:15,836 --> 00:12:19,172 this guy still insists on covering his car. 210 00:12:19,206 --> 00:12:22,976 But when you see how many holes that are already in it, 211 00:12:23,010 --> 00:12:26,246 I wonder why he bothers to cover it, you know? 212 00:12:26,279 --> 00:12:27,080 - All in the front too. 213 00:12:27,114 --> 00:12:30,150 - Yeah, I mean, it's shrapnel-ridden, 214 00:12:30,183 --> 00:12:31,852 for the trash. 215 00:12:31,885 --> 00:12:35,923 But yeah, he's determined to keep the rain out. 216 00:12:35,956 --> 00:12:37,524 - So it's a fantastic picture. 217 00:12:37,557 --> 00:12:39,092 - But, you know, the other irony is here 218 00:12:39,126 --> 00:12:40,327 that you see these ladies, 219 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,930 they're lighting one cigarette off another, 220 00:12:42,963 --> 00:12:44,998 because they don't have lighters. 221 00:12:45,032 --> 00:12:48,035 Lighters ran out months ago. 222 00:12:48,068 --> 00:12:50,838 Nobody has a goddamn lighter anywhere. 223 00:12:50,871 --> 00:12:52,005 Matches are gone. 224 00:12:52,039 --> 00:12:53,807 It's hard to find a light. 225 00:12:53,841 --> 00:12:56,076 That's how low things got. 226 00:12:56,109 --> 00:12:59,112 [melancholic music] 227 00:13:01,148 --> 00:13:02,983 [Narrator] Many say the Yugoslav wars 228 00:13:03,016 --> 00:13:06,219 were Europe's deadliest conflicts since World War II, 229 00:13:06,253 --> 00:13:09,522 infamous for the war crimes of mass murder and genocide, 230 00:13:09,556 --> 00:13:22,469 resulting in the deaths of 140,000 people. 231 00:13:22,502 --> 00:13:24,037 The conflicts in the Balkan regions 232 00:13:24,071 --> 00:13:26,573 were ignited by the collapse of communism, 233 00:13:26,606 --> 00:13:29,542 with the 1991 war in Bosnia setting the stage 234 00:13:29,576 --> 00:13:32,012 for widespread brutality that would take place 235 00:13:32,045 --> 00:13:34,614 in Kosovo starting in 1998. 236 00:13:34,647 --> 00:13:39,853 [melancholic music] 237 00:14:11,118 --> 00:14:15,255 - I told Wade, "I want to find the boy in Alexandra's photo. 238 00:14:15,288 --> 00:14:16,924 "Do you think it's possible? 239 00:14:16,957 --> 00:14:19,092 And if it is, how do I even go about it?" 240 00:14:19,126 --> 00:14:22,529 And almost immediately he said, "There's one guy you need. 241 00:14:22,562 --> 00:14:26,566 You need Birol Urcan and I'll put you in touch with him." 242 00:14:29,602 --> 00:14:31,671 Wow. 243 00:14:31,704 --> 00:14:33,506 Take a look at this. 244 00:14:33,540 --> 00:14:36,043 I'll never forget the 11-hour drive 245 00:14:36,076 --> 00:14:38,946 from Dubrovnik into Kosovo. 246 00:14:38,979 --> 00:14:43,283 It really felt like entering some other land. 247 00:14:46,319 --> 00:14:48,255 I have no idea what's next, 248 00:14:48,288 --> 00:14:51,624 and I only have one name: Birol. 249 00:14:55,562 --> 00:14:57,097 - I remember the roads, you know? 250 00:14:57,130 --> 00:14:59,266 Like this kind of roads. 251 00:14:59,299 --> 00:15:00,934 And a very difficult time 252 00:15:00,968 --> 00:15:03,937 or very interesting time of my life. 253 00:15:03,971 --> 00:15:07,374 It was like every day, "Okay, I'm gonna die today? 254 00:15:07,407 --> 00:15:09,977 No. Okay, we survived today." 255 00:15:10,010 --> 00:15:13,646 Are we gonna see any children dead? 256 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,116 Or women or, you know, just like, 257 00:15:16,149 --> 00:15:19,252 what do we see today in the field? 258 00:15:19,286 --> 00:15:20,420 [Jeff] What is the fixer? 259 00:15:20,453 --> 00:15:23,190 - It's kind of a guide, if you want, 260 00:15:23,223 --> 00:15:25,592 because in the newspaper the journalist, 261 00:15:25,625 --> 00:15:29,162 definitely, the reporter is the boss. 262 00:15:29,196 --> 00:15:31,531 Although there may be other jealous colleagues from fixers 263 00:15:31,564 --> 00:15:34,301 but I was the best one getting through the check points. 264 00:15:34,334 --> 00:15:36,036 I have this ability of getting around 265 00:15:36,069 --> 00:15:38,305 in difficult situations. 266 00:15:38,338 --> 00:15:40,607 Can we go there, you know? 267 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,144 Or can we reach on time? Can we get back on time? 268 00:15:44,177 --> 00:15:47,180 Can we get any pictures? How do we get there? 269 00:15:47,214 --> 00:15:49,449 Well, I'll take you there. 270 00:15:49,482 --> 00:15:51,551 The shortest, fastest, safest way. 271 00:15:54,554 --> 00:15:56,089 - So I'm going this way? 272 00:15:56,123 --> 00:15:57,157 - Yes. 273 00:15:57,190 --> 00:15:58,258 - Hi, I'm Jeff. 274 00:15:58,291 --> 00:16:00,527 Really, thank you for coming over here on Saturday. 275 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,662 - Pleasure's all mine, pleasure's all mine. 276 00:16:02,695 --> 00:16:04,331 - Until the point at which I was willing 277 00:16:04,364 --> 00:16:06,599 to come over here with Birol, 278 00:16:06,633 --> 00:16:10,203 the only thing I had was really whatever I'd read 279 00:16:10,237 --> 00:16:12,472 and just my experience. 280 00:16:12,505 --> 00:16:14,507 - It was probably the moment when you 281 00:16:14,541 --> 00:16:17,410 thought of yourself as a person who also has 282 00:16:17,444 --> 00:16:19,646 some responsibilities that go beyond 283 00:16:19,679 --> 00:16:21,781 the family and the community. 284 00:16:21,814 --> 00:16:26,319 And then you said, "My God, I must be oblivious 285 00:16:26,353 --> 00:16:30,490 "to the destinies of the people across the world. 286 00:16:30,523 --> 00:16:33,460 This boy here reminds me that there is a world" 287 00:16:33,493 --> 00:16:38,798 beyond, what, Dallas, or Texas? 288 00:16:38,831 --> 00:16:41,801 But the interpretation of the photo 289 00:16:41,834 --> 00:16:46,273 is contaminated with your cultural beliefs, 290 00:16:46,306 --> 00:16:47,640 what you see here. 291 00:16:47,674 --> 00:16:49,176 - Probably, sure. 292 00:16:49,209 --> 00:16:52,345 - In a way, it's so American of you to just 293 00:16:52,379 --> 00:16:55,115 go somewhere and meddle into something 294 00:16:55,148 --> 00:17:00,220 that you would sometimes regret, "Why am I doing this?" 295 00:17:00,253 --> 00:17:02,055 It's so, I've seen this before. 296 00:17:02,089 --> 00:17:04,191 I mean... 297 00:17:04,224 --> 00:17:05,292 [Birol] I've seen all kinds. 298 00:17:05,325 --> 00:17:07,094 - I'm an American. 299 00:17:07,127 --> 00:17:10,130 - But really, it's so American in a way that, you know, 300 00:17:10,163 --> 00:17:15,102 this naivete is a privilege. 301 00:17:15,135 --> 00:17:17,070 - I know. 302 00:17:17,104 --> 00:17:20,673 - Naivete, altruism, humanism are privileges 303 00:17:20,707 --> 00:17:24,777 of people who have safe and certain lives. 304 00:17:24,811 --> 00:17:27,114 - Oh, interesting, yeah. 305 00:17:27,147 --> 00:17:29,549 Well, I'd say this: I can't even process numbers. 306 00:17:29,582 --> 00:17:31,218 When I hear numbers in the news, 307 00:17:31,251 --> 00:17:32,552 that just makes no sense to me. 308 00:17:32,585 --> 00:17:34,421 This makes utter sense to me. 309 00:17:34,454 --> 00:17:36,189 - Well, Mr. Walt Whitman. 310 00:17:36,223 --> 00:17:38,125 [Jeff laughs] 311 00:17:38,158 --> 00:17:45,432 I do understand your entire inclination towards 312 00:17:45,465 --> 00:17:48,101 this great world of emotion. 313 00:17:48,135 --> 00:17:49,702 - I feel like I've been cut up in here. 314 00:17:49,736 --> 00:17:51,404 [Dukagjin] We've just seen all kinds. 315 00:17:51,438 --> 00:17:53,673 [Jeff laughs] 316 00:17:53,706 --> 00:17:54,607 No, but really. 317 00:17:54,641 --> 00:17:56,243 - You mean you've seen my kind. 318 00:17:56,276 --> 00:17:58,411 I think that's what you mean. 319 00:17:58,445 --> 00:18:01,248 - We've seen altruists and we've seen humanists. 320 00:18:01,281 --> 00:18:02,582 We've seen terrorists. 321 00:18:02,615 --> 00:18:07,554 We've seen, so experience makes the man. 322 00:18:08,321 --> 00:18:11,324 [road hum] 323 00:18:11,758 --> 00:18:14,427 [Jeff] Why did you say yes to this? 324 00:18:14,461 --> 00:18:15,495 - It was interesting, challenging, 325 00:18:15,528 --> 00:18:19,832 and brought me back to the times of war somehow, 326 00:18:19,866 --> 00:18:23,136 which, in general, I don't like those times, you know? 327 00:18:23,170 --> 00:18:25,272 But it was kind of a, 328 00:18:25,305 --> 00:18:28,808 I still think of myself as a fixer, you know? 329 00:18:28,841 --> 00:18:33,313 I kind of was proud of what I'm doing then, you know? 330 00:18:33,346 --> 00:18:36,649 Wade contacted me on Facebook, 331 00:18:36,683 --> 00:18:38,851 and I have kind of contact with most of the people 332 00:18:38,885 --> 00:18:39,786 that I worked during the war 333 00:18:39,819 --> 00:18:41,821 and I know Wade from the New York Times, 334 00:18:41,854 --> 00:18:43,823 but I haven't seen him since then. 335 00:18:43,856 --> 00:18:45,892 So he comes for this, you know what he says? 336 00:18:45,925 --> 00:18:48,528 "There's an American guy looking for a boy 337 00:18:48,561 --> 00:18:51,664 and who was in a picture taken by Alexandra Boulat." 338 00:18:51,698 --> 00:18:53,800 After that, Wade sends me that picture 339 00:18:53,833 --> 00:18:57,537 and my first thing in my mind is to put it on Facebook. 340 00:18:57,570 --> 00:18:59,706 But then I said, "Okay, yeah, you put it on Facebook 341 00:18:59,739 --> 00:19:03,810 but that's not the way to, how you solve this issue." 342 00:19:03,843 --> 00:19:06,413 It may take ages to find him like that. 343 00:19:06,446 --> 00:19:09,316 And then I tried to draft a plan kind of in my head, 344 00:19:09,349 --> 00:19:12,619 identifying the location where the picture's been taken. 345 00:19:12,652 --> 00:19:17,657 [melancholic music] 346 00:19:25,998 --> 00:19:27,967 - Birol takes me west of Pristina, 347 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,502 into the Drenica Valley 348 00:19:29,536 --> 00:19:31,904 where he thought the photograph was taken. 349 00:19:31,938 --> 00:19:34,507 We started by going from school to school. 350 00:19:34,541 --> 00:19:36,543 This is it right here. 351 00:19:37,877 --> 00:19:39,546 We knew the boy wouldn't still be in school 352 00:19:39,579 --> 00:19:43,850 because the picture had been taken 14 years ago. 353 00:19:43,883 --> 00:19:46,519 We were hoping that by talking to administrators or teachers 354 00:19:46,553 --> 00:19:48,855 that we would find somebody who knew the boy 355 00:19:48,888 --> 00:19:50,923 or at least who knew the boy's family. 356 00:19:50,957 --> 00:19:53,426 You're probably more knowledgeable about 357 00:19:53,460 --> 00:19:55,695 than we are here. 358 00:19:55,728 --> 00:19:59,866 I really didn't know anything about Kosovo when I showed up. 359 00:19:59,899 --> 00:20:02,735 It was really my daughter who took me 360 00:20:02,769 --> 00:20:04,771 to the gallery the very first time. 361 00:20:04,804 --> 00:20:10,410 It was the first time I ever saw this picture of this boy. 362 00:20:10,443 --> 00:20:12,945 Birol comes up with this idea of going on the news, 363 00:20:12,979 --> 00:20:16,449 so he contacts KTV, the local news station 364 00:20:16,483 --> 00:20:18,718 to see if they'd do some kind of story on the search, 365 00:20:18,751 --> 00:20:20,453 hoping that the reach of the broadcast 366 00:20:20,487 --> 00:20:22,422 will turn up some kind of clue. 367 00:20:55,855 --> 00:20:57,924 [Jeff] We went to a bunch of different schools, 368 00:20:57,957 --> 00:21:00,860 but we don't turn up any promising leads. 369 00:21:00,893 --> 00:21:05,698 We tried to stay in that valley, within, say, 50 miles. 370 00:21:06,733 --> 00:21:08,535 People would look at the picture of the boy 371 00:21:08,568 --> 00:21:11,070 and disagree on where they even thought it was taken 372 00:21:11,103 --> 00:21:13,440 or where to go look next. 373 00:21:29,822 --> 00:21:32,825 [melancholic music] 374 00:21:35,061 --> 00:21:39,466 - I combed through, I mean, probably thousands 375 00:21:39,499 --> 00:21:43,703 of photographs online of children from that war, 376 00:21:43,736 --> 00:21:44,971 looking for him. 377 00:21:45,004 --> 00:21:47,474 One night, it was probably 2:00 in the morning 378 00:21:47,507 --> 00:21:51,711 and I thought that I had found, my dad was out of town, 379 00:21:51,744 --> 00:21:54,847 I thought that I had found a photograph of him dead. 380 00:21:58,551 --> 00:22:02,389 - What we have gone through in the Balkans is... 381 00:22:02,422 --> 00:22:06,025 has been shocking for us. 382 00:22:06,058 --> 00:22:10,363 It has been invisible in terms of warfare, 383 00:22:10,397 --> 00:22:13,032 but it has been extremely tragic in terms of death. 384 00:22:13,065 --> 00:22:16,403 So what you got and what you saw 385 00:22:16,436 --> 00:22:20,673 was a war done against civilians, 386 00:22:20,707 --> 00:22:23,943 which is why we never really called it a war. 387 00:22:23,976 --> 00:22:26,546 We called it massacres, we called it tragedies, 388 00:22:26,579 --> 00:22:28,715 we called it... 389 00:22:28,748 --> 00:22:30,983 we called it... 390 00:22:31,017 --> 00:22:32,218 slaughter. 391 00:22:32,251 --> 00:22:37,023 The major aggressive narrative back then was led by Serbia. 392 00:22:37,056 --> 00:22:40,092 For being the biggest republic in the former Yugoslavia 393 00:22:40,126 --> 00:22:41,961 and the strongest one, 394 00:22:41,994 --> 00:22:44,764 Serbia and the Serbian regime felt that 395 00:22:44,797 --> 00:22:46,866 Yugoslavia is being destroyed 396 00:22:46,899 --> 00:22:51,137 by runaway or breakaway communities, 397 00:22:51,170 --> 00:22:56,876 namely, Croatians, Bosnians, and specifically Albanians. 398 00:22:56,909 --> 00:22:59,412 So in the end, Serbian regime, 399 00:22:59,446 --> 00:23:01,714 which was led by Slobodan Milosevic, 400 00:23:01,748 --> 00:23:04,083 they decided that they could utilize 401 00:23:04,116 --> 00:23:08,421 whatever the grand institutional legacy of Yugoslavia was, 402 00:23:08,455 --> 00:23:10,957 and that was the army. 403 00:23:10,990 --> 00:23:14,461 [mortar fires] 404 00:23:14,494 --> 00:23:19,499 [somber music] 405 00:23:29,876 --> 00:23:31,878 First clashes start with Slovenia. 406 00:23:31,911 --> 00:23:33,480 They end that very quickly 407 00:23:33,513 --> 00:23:36,883 but the war then transfers to Croatia. 408 00:23:36,916 --> 00:23:41,921 [shells exploding] [somber music] 409 00:23:51,030 --> 00:23:53,032 It became obvious that there's gonna be 410 00:23:53,065 --> 00:23:54,934 a very specific take on this war, 411 00:23:54,967 --> 00:23:58,104 which was later to be known as ethnic cleansing. 412 00:23:58,137 --> 00:24:00,907 [machine gun firing] 413 00:24:04,577 --> 00:24:06,178 The war then transferred to Bosnia, 414 00:24:06,212 --> 00:24:09,916 which was even more complicated ethnically. 415 00:24:12,719 --> 00:24:17,056 In order to produce some sort of demographic logic in Bosnia, 416 00:24:17,089 --> 00:24:23,530 there had to be, they thought, massive ethnic cleansing. 417 00:24:23,563 --> 00:24:26,566 [somber music] 418 00:24:28,167 --> 00:24:33,039 Deportations, and whoever does not want to leave, 419 00:24:33,072 --> 00:24:35,141 mass killings. 420 00:24:35,174 --> 00:24:38,978 So Bosnia was one of the most horrible moments 421 00:24:39,011 --> 00:24:42,014 in the Eastern European history. 422 00:24:46,853 --> 00:24:49,856 And then came Kosovo. 423 00:24:49,889 --> 00:24:52,725 [somber music] 424 00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:55,027 [mortar fires] 425 00:24:55,061 --> 00:25:00,066 [somber music] 426 00:25:04,904 --> 00:25:07,306 There was another very specific take on Kosovo 427 00:25:07,339 --> 00:25:09,842 which made it different from Bosnia, 428 00:25:09,876 --> 00:25:12,879 and that was the ethnic cleansing 429 00:25:12,912 --> 00:25:15,314 not in terms of specific enclaves 430 00:25:15,347 --> 00:25:20,052 but the ethnic cleansing of the entire Kosovo. 431 00:25:22,221 --> 00:25:25,324 - It was always evident when we were working in Bosnia 432 00:25:25,357 --> 00:25:30,597 that Kosovo, the war in Kosovo would come, 433 00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:33,032 and as that war progressed, it was evident 434 00:25:33,065 --> 00:25:36,235 that Kosovo would be the endgame. 435 00:25:36,268 --> 00:25:39,271 [somber music] 436 00:25:47,847 --> 00:25:52,084 [Gary] There was no real good reason for that war. 437 00:25:52,785 --> 00:25:57,590 It was a really mean, hubristic war in the end. 438 00:25:59,258 --> 00:26:03,262 It was a war that should never have happened. 439 00:26:04,797 --> 00:26:07,099 [Narrator] When Alexandra started working in Kosovo, 440 00:26:07,133 --> 00:26:09,769 things were already desperate. 441 00:26:12,705 --> 00:26:18,277 850,000 Kosovar Albanians were being displaced. 442 00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:21,614 Some were on trains to Macedonia. 443 00:26:21,648 --> 00:26:24,316 Others were in plastic tent refugee camps, 444 00:26:24,350 --> 00:26:27,720 protected by the Kosovo Liberation Army 445 00:26:27,754 --> 00:26:30,122 or KLA. 446 00:26:30,156 --> 00:26:34,994 * 447 00:26:35,027 --> 00:26:38,931 [Gary] Certainly, by the time Kosovo appeared, 448 00:26:38,965 --> 00:26:43,970 I had become really angry with Milosevic. 449 00:26:44,003 --> 00:26:47,039 He had this huge specter of war crimes 450 00:26:47,073 --> 00:26:49,876 that were not being prosecuted. 451 00:26:54,681 --> 00:26:56,649 So when I went to Kosovo, I was determined to focus 452 00:26:56,683 --> 00:26:59,185 on the issue of war crimes. 453 00:26:59,218 --> 00:27:01,153 So I was seeking out places where people 454 00:27:01,187 --> 00:27:02,288 were tortured and killed 455 00:27:02,321 --> 00:27:07,293 because that's the story that I was really working on. 456 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:13,232 My experience wasn't one of the act of conflict. 457 00:27:13,265 --> 00:27:18,805 It was really the reconstruction of it and the memory of it. 458 00:27:18,838 --> 00:27:22,408 So it was a different kind of nightmare. 459 00:27:22,441 --> 00:27:27,246 * 460 00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:29,148 - You know, the Balkans were a very 461 00:27:29,181 --> 00:27:31,050 dangerous place for journalists. 462 00:27:31,083 --> 00:27:32,018 At the end of that conflict, 463 00:27:32,051 --> 00:27:34,887 more journalists had been killed 464 00:27:34,921 --> 00:27:38,390 than any other war since World War II. 465 00:27:38,424 --> 00:27:40,392 [Gary] When you are confronted by danger, 466 00:27:40,426 --> 00:27:43,462 you respond to it as anybody else would, generally speaking. 467 00:27:43,495 --> 00:27:45,464 You know, you feel it and it will influence 468 00:27:45,497 --> 00:27:47,166 the decisions you make. 469 00:27:47,199 --> 00:27:48,267 But that obviously has an impact 470 00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:50,002 on the story you're trying to tell, 471 00:27:50,036 --> 00:27:52,071 and the only function of a journalist in a war 472 00:27:52,104 --> 00:27:54,907 is to tell the stories. 473 00:27:54,941 --> 00:27:56,242 [Ron] I think this photograph is a good example 474 00:27:56,275 --> 00:27:58,945 of a single frame having impact. 475 00:27:58,978 --> 00:28:00,847 A friend of mine, a Serbian photographer, 476 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,949 got a phone call that fighting had started 477 00:28:02,982 --> 00:28:05,317 just over the border in Bosnia. 478 00:28:05,351 --> 00:28:07,954 And so I arrived there and then on the third 479 00:28:07,987 --> 00:28:09,722 or fourth day of fighting, 480 00:28:09,756 --> 00:28:12,358 Arkan, who was a paramilitary leader 481 00:28:12,391 --> 00:28:15,094 of a group called the Tigers arrived. 482 00:28:15,127 --> 00:28:20,132 Arkan was a very charming psychopath, 483 00:28:20,166 --> 00:28:25,071 and Alex asked him if we could take a portrait of him. 484 00:28:25,104 --> 00:28:28,040 When I saw Arkan again during this battle, 485 00:28:28,074 --> 00:28:30,877 I reminded him that I had photographed him with a tiger 486 00:28:30,910 --> 00:28:34,413 and I asked him if I could go along with his troops, 487 00:28:34,446 --> 00:28:38,517 and they wound up executing unarmed civilians 488 00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:42,154 in the middle of town in front of a mosque. 489 00:28:42,188 --> 00:28:45,257 And while they were shooting and people were screaming, 490 00:28:45,291 --> 00:28:46,826 the whole time they were telling me, 491 00:28:46,859 --> 00:28:48,360 "Don't take any photographs. 492 00:28:48,394 --> 00:28:50,362 Don't take any photographs." 493 00:28:50,396 --> 00:28:51,798 There was a truck that had crashed 494 00:28:51,831 --> 00:28:53,332 in the middle of the street 495 00:28:53,365 --> 00:28:55,768 and I went and sort of stood by the truck, 496 00:28:55,802 --> 00:28:58,470 which blocked the view of me from the soldiers, 497 00:28:58,504 --> 00:29:01,440 and photographed the woman as she was 498 00:29:01,473 --> 00:29:03,209 trying to save her husband's life, 499 00:29:03,242 --> 00:29:04,844 and then they shot her. 500 00:29:04,877 --> 00:29:07,513 And they brought another woman and they shot her. 501 00:29:07,546 --> 00:29:10,249 And I didn't have a photograph of the soldiers 502 00:29:10,282 --> 00:29:12,451 with the victims in the same frame, 503 00:29:12,484 --> 00:29:14,553 and I thought it was incredibly important, 504 00:29:14,586 --> 00:29:16,122 in order to be able to prove 505 00:29:16,155 --> 00:29:18,457 without any doubt what was going on, 506 00:29:18,490 --> 00:29:20,292 to make sure that they were in the same frame. 507 00:29:20,326 --> 00:29:22,929 So I had to go in the middle of the street 508 00:29:22,962 --> 00:29:25,197 and I sort of just framed the lens 509 00:29:25,231 --> 00:29:29,501 to get a photograph of them walking by the bodies. 510 00:29:29,535 --> 00:29:32,471 And from my left came this young kid, 511 00:29:32,504 --> 00:29:35,474 very brash, he was probably about 18 or 19 at the time. 512 00:29:35,507 --> 00:29:36,442 He just came into the frame 513 00:29:36,475 --> 00:29:39,445 and brought his foot back as if to kick them 514 00:29:39,478 --> 00:29:42,248 and I took two frames and put the camera down, 515 00:29:42,281 --> 00:29:43,983 and they turned and looked at me 516 00:29:44,016 --> 00:29:45,985 and I gave them a big smile 517 00:29:46,018 --> 00:29:49,989 and they looked at me and smiled and then we left. 518 00:29:50,022 --> 00:29:55,027 [melancholic music] 519 00:30:05,037 --> 00:30:07,473 - As I was questioning this journey, 520 00:30:07,506 --> 00:30:10,376 Alexandra's mom told me that her daughter believed 521 00:30:10,409 --> 00:30:14,346 we have a responsibility to the things that move us. 522 00:30:16,182 --> 00:30:18,517 But as I learned about the war and about what this country 523 00:30:18,550 --> 00:30:21,620 went through, I hoped I wasn't just opening up old wounds 524 00:30:21,653 --> 00:30:23,355 or hurting anyone. 525 00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:29,595 [melancholic music] 526 00:30:38,604 --> 00:30:40,439 The next morning I turn on my phone and the screen 527 00:30:40,472 --> 00:30:43,209 is lit up from texts and phone calls from Birol. 528 00:30:43,242 --> 00:30:48,014 The texts say, "Call me, someone has come forward." 529 00:30:48,047 --> 00:30:50,482 I head straight to meet Birol, he's with the boy 530 00:30:50,516 --> 00:30:52,318 who's now in his late 20's. 531 00:30:54,186 --> 00:30:55,922 As I turn the corner though, the first thing he says 532 00:30:55,955 --> 00:30:58,958 is no cameras. 533 00:30:58,991 --> 00:31:01,360 We start talking and he seemed like he was about 534 00:31:01,393 --> 00:31:03,029 the right height. 535 00:31:03,062 --> 00:31:05,531 Seemed about the right shape. 536 00:31:05,564 --> 00:31:07,466 I start looking at his ears. 537 00:31:07,499 --> 00:31:09,435 I've been reading about how ears are a better finger print 538 00:31:09,468 --> 00:31:12,271 than finger prints, they just don't change. 539 00:31:12,304 --> 00:31:14,974 So as he's talking, I keep looking at his ears 540 00:31:15,007 --> 00:31:16,909 and it's just not adding up and at the same time 541 00:31:16,943 --> 00:31:18,510 his stories aren't connecting. 542 00:31:18,544 --> 00:31:20,913 Eventually I just kind of hang my head, 543 00:31:20,947 --> 00:31:27,086 and I'm thinking, "Okay, this is not the guy." 544 00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:32,124 - Photos like this are signatures of a collective fate, 545 00:31:32,158 --> 00:31:34,126 a collective destiny. 546 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,328 I was gonna say the way he looks, 547 00:31:36,362 --> 00:31:42,634 is the way a person who has been through a lot looks like. 548 00:31:42,668 --> 00:31:45,071 You know how Charles Bukowski says, 549 00:31:45,104 --> 00:31:47,006 "By the time you get 50, everybody gets 550 00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:49,641 the face he deserves," 551 00:31:49,675 --> 00:31:54,680 but if you happen to be 12 and you get the face 552 00:31:54,713 --> 00:31:58,184 of a 50-year-old, then probably something has gone 553 00:31:58,217 --> 00:31:59,986 badly wrong in your life. 554 00:32:00,019 --> 00:32:01,988 - Yeah. 555 00:32:02,021 --> 00:32:05,657 - What makes wars alike, wars in Kosovo specifically, 556 00:32:05,691 --> 00:32:10,596 is that they were conducted with such ruthlessness 557 00:32:10,629 --> 00:32:13,365 at the very end of the 20th century. 558 00:32:13,399 --> 00:32:19,738 So, the horror of Kosovo is the fact that it was so well 559 00:32:19,771 --> 00:32:22,041 documented. 560 00:32:22,074 --> 00:32:27,513 To be honest with you, sometimes I wish it wasn't. 561 00:32:27,546 --> 00:32:31,650 Because what you have, what you can find in archives 562 00:32:31,683 --> 00:32:36,688 across the world is a nation exposed. 563 00:32:36,722 --> 00:32:40,526 Everybody saw how we look when we are beaten up, 564 00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:44,463 our houses burned, just dumped there in their 565 00:32:44,496 --> 00:32:47,466 worst possible moments. 566 00:32:47,499 --> 00:32:51,037 And there's CNN going after you asking you difficult things 567 00:32:51,070 --> 00:32:54,140 such as, "How do you feel?" 568 00:32:54,173 --> 00:32:55,674 How the hell do you think I feel? 569 00:32:55,707 --> 00:32:58,677 My house has just been burned down. 570 00:32:58,710 --> 00:33:01,680 - The fact that you stood there, 571 00:33:01,713 --> 00:33:04,250 and you didn't change your expression, 572 00:33:04,283 --> 00:33:06,418 you didn't flinch, you didn't uncross your arms, 573 00:33:06,452 --> 00:33:08,354 you didn't try to put a smile on the face, 574 00:33:08,387 --> 00:33:11,490 that's why at least at that moment in history, 575 00:33:11,523 --> 00:33:14,426 that's why the world did something. 576 00:33:14,460 --> 00:33:19,231 - He is exposed, he knows that you're taking a photo of him, 577 00:33:19,265 --> 00:33:22,234 he may know that you're doing this so that the world knows, 578 00:33:22,268 --> 00:33:27,039 but he doesn't care because everything he finds dear 579 00:33:27,073 --> 00:33:30,776 has gone in flames, even his privacy. 580 00:33:30,809 --> 00:33:35,547 He is going to refuse to be related to that photo. 581 00:33:38,784 --> 00:33:42,221 He doesn't want to be the boy in the picture, 582 00:33:42,254 --> 00:33:45,424 he wants to be someone else, just like me, and Birol, 583 00:33:45,457 --> 00:33:47,459 and everybody. 584 00:33:47,493 --> 00:33:51,130 We do not want to be remembered as refugees. 585 00:33:51,163 --> 00:33:55,734 We want to be remembered as natural and normal contemporary 586 00:33:55,767 --> 00:33:58,770 citizens of the world today. 587 00:34:00,806 --> 00:34:05,611 Privacy has to have a level of amnesia. 588 00:34:05,644 --> 00:34:10,649 [melancholic music] 589 00:34:12,418 --> 00:34:17,456 [Jeff] The day's and nights just seemed to drag on. 590 00:34:17,489 --> 00:34:20,726 I wasn't even sure if he was alive. 591 00:34:20,759 --> 00:34:25,664 But then maybe he's right here, cheering on his team. 592 00:34:25,697 --> 00:34:30,502 Maybe I just walked right past him without even knowing it. 593 00:34:32,504 --> 00:34:36,842 Meanwhile, life in Pristina kept moving forward. 594 00:34:36,875 --> 00:34:40,246 And yet the war still echoed in the street. 595 00:34:40,279 --> 00:34:43,282 [somber music] 596 00:34:45,884 --> 00:34:49,355 - When you look at the picture, it doesn't have a lot of action 597 00:34:49,388 --> 00:34:53,325 or it doesn't have a lot of, it just single, quiet, 598 00:34:53,359 --> 00:34:55,661 very story telling picture. 599 00:34:55,694 --> 00:34:59,131 It was probably a quiet day, it was probably a day 600 00:34:59,165 --> 00:35:01,467 where nothing was happening and she wanted to do some 601 00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:02,801 pictures with the refugees. 602 00:35:02,834 --> 00:35:05,504 She just went like that and she saw him. 603 00:35:05,537 --> 00:35:09,475 And she saw the expression on his face, 604 00:35:09,508 --> 00:35:11,310 and she took a picture. 605 00:35:11,343 --> 00:35:12,311 I wouldn't. 606 00:35:16,215 --> 00:35:20,519 Here's the picture that was trying to find. 607 00:35:20,552 --> 00:35:23,822 I was really young, and I was really brave. 608 00:35:23,855 --> 00:35:26,358 And I went to a lot of situations where I was-- 609 00:35:26,392 --> 00:35:29,595 I mean, I don't know how I survived basically. 610 00:35:29,628 --> 00:35:31,363 Nothing happened to me. 611 00:35:40,306 --> 00:35:42,874 - A lot of photographers who cover war 612 00:35:42,908 --> 00:35:47,513 make it their business to photograph war as a spectacle. 613 00:35:47,546 --> 00:35:49,648 And war can be a spectacle. 614 00:35:49,681 --> 00:35:51,717 Where I think most of us fail, 615 00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:56,655 and I include myself in this, is... we don't 616 00:35:56,688 --> 00:36:00,392 deal with the mundane, the mundanity of ordinary life 617 00:36:00,426 --> 00:36:03,329 in a war is in fact a spectacle in itself, right? 618 00:36:03,362 --> 00:36:05,664 There's nothing exploding necessarily, 619 00:36:05,697 --> 00:36:08,734 there might not be anything burning. 620 00:36:08,767 --> 00:36:11,403 And there may not be guys firing guns in there 621 00:36:11,437 --> 00:36:16,242 but it's the impact of war on society, and on civil life 622 00:36:16,275 --> 00:36:19,345 that I think is really fundamental, 623 00:36:19,378 --> 00:36:21,713 and Alex understood that very well. 624 00:36:21,747 --> 00:36:24,350 And she made it her business in war, generally speaking 625 00:36:24,383 --> 00:36:27,553 to photograph the impact of war on ordinary people. 626 00:36:46,805 --> 00:36:49,241 [Ron] There is absolutely a way to show war without guns, 627 00:36:49,275 --> 00:36:52,811 and I think that actually those photographs are so much 628 00:36:52,844 --> 00:36:54,513 more important than the photograph 629 00:36:54,546 --> 00:36:56,315 of the soldier with the gun. 630 00:36:56,348 --> 00:37:01,720 The effect of war on civilian population, what that means 631 00:37:01,753 --> 00:37:04,323 to daily life, what that means to something that 632 00:37:04,356 --> 00:37:07,259 you and I and everyday person can relate to, 633 00:37:07,293 --> 00:37:10,496 is like this is what happens when war comes to you. 634 00:37:10,529 --> 00:37:12,698 You can't live in your home. 635 00:37:12,731 --> 00:37:14,466 You can't go shopping. 636 00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:17,836 You can't have your normal life, you become displaced, 637 00:37:17,869 --> 00:37:20,739 you become a refugee, you lose relatives. 638 00:37:20,772 --> 00:37:23,975 I mean that's the real effect of war. 639 00:37:24,009 --> 00:37:27,946 And I think Alex's work without question really explores 640 00:37:27,979 --> 00:37:31,350 that in a very deep and important way. 641 00:37:33,685 --> 00:37:35,921 [Birol] When Milosevic took over in Kosovo, 642 00:37:35,954 --> 00:37:38,857 we were desperate, repressive. 643 00:37:38,890 --> 00:37:42,060 No schools, no jobs, no future, no nothing. 644 00:37:42,093 --> 00:37:47,299 So when KLA showed up, most of the young people, 645 00:37:47,333 --> 00:37:51,770 even old people, middle-aged people, everybody was excited. 646 00:37:51,803 --> 00:37:55,307 It was like oh my god you know, 647 00:37:55,341 --> 00:37:58,344 it is still one of the happiest moments of my life 648 00:37:58,377 --> 00:38:03,749 because I see these guys in uniform, I'm like oh my god 649 00:38:03,782 --> 00:38:06,518 this is my soldier. 650 00:38:09,721 --> 00:38:11,823 [Narrator] Adem Jashari led the fight against 651 00:38:11,857 --> 00:38:14,760 the Soviet establishment and was known as the father 652 00:38:14,793 --> 00:38:17,363 of the Kosovo Liberation Army. 653 00:38:17,396 --> 00:38:19,698 After several unsuccessful attempts to capture 654 00:38:19,731 --> 00:38:22,501 or kill him, Serbian forces launched an attack 655 00:38:22,534 --> 00:38:26,972 against Jashari's home in Prekaz in March of 1998. 656 00:38:27,005 --> 00:38:29,541 The battle that followed resulted in the 657 00:38:29,575 --> 00:38:32,344 death of 58 members of Jashari's family, 658 00:38:32,378 --> 00:38:36,047 including Jashari himself, his wife, and son. 659 00:38:36,081 --> 00:38:39,518 [Dukagjin] It was not the first of the actions that 660 00:38:39,551 --> 00:38:43,422 were undertaken by Serbian security forces. 661 00:38:43,455 --> 00:38:46,725 But it was the most shocking, it was the most brutal 662 00:38:46,758 --> 00:38:51,697 and it was done with a particular zeal. 663 00:38:51,730 --> 00:38:54,833 It was done as a show of, not only force, 664 00:38:54,866 --> 00:39:00,005 but also as a show of absolute mercilessness. 665 00:39:00,038 --> 00:39:04,610 What makes Jashari's tragedy particularly interesting, 666 00:39:04,643 --> 00:39:07,413 and important is the fact that it was done 667 00:39:07,446 --> 00:39:11,417 in front of the very eyes of all international media. 668 00:39:13,419 --> 00:39:16,655 I was watching the entire story from a little mountain. 669 00:39:16,688 --> 00:39:18,023 [Jeff] You were there? 670 00:39:18,056 --> 00:39:20,426 [Dukagjin] Yes of course. 671 00:39:20,459 --> 00:39:24,496 They've killed everybody, they lined them up like cattle 672 00:39:24,530 --> 00:39:31,069 in the stable and opened the scene for the world to see. 673 00:39:31,102 --> 00:39:35,741 I will of course never forget the day 674 00:39:35,774 --> 00:39:42,047 when we went in the stable to see the corpses. 675 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,585 And I was there together with at least 100 TV crews, 676 00:39:46,618 --> 00:39:51,122 and everybody from Reuters, to France Press, 677 00:39:51,156 --> 00:39:54,526 and Serb policeman looks at you and you see in his eyes 678 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,829 that he is-- 679 00:39:57,863 --> 00:39:59,798 [Jeff] He could kill you and not feel a thing. 680 00:39:59,831 --> 00:40:02,133 - And not only that, but it's as if you would see 681 00:40:02,167 --> 00:40:09,174 a little doggy crying over his mom's corpse. 682 00:40:09,207 --> 00:40:15,647 You are a bit saddened, but it's a dog nevertheless. 683 00:40:15,681 --> 00:40:17,616 - What's the message? 684 00:40:17,649 --> 00:40:19,951 - The message is 'You Albanians are the 685 00:40:19,985 --> 00:40:22,988 children of the lesser god.' 686 00:40:23,689 --> 00:40:31,630 'You're worth less, so killing you is not really a crime.' 687 00:40:31,663 --> 00:40:34,533 But after that day, exactly a day after, 688 00:40:34,566 --> 00:40:38,970 there were 200 thousand people protesting in Pristina. 689 00:40:39,004 --> 00:40:41,006 This whole city was crowded. 690 00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:45,611 And ever since that day, until this very day, 691 00:40:45,644 --> 00:40:51,082 Kosovo Albanians became extremely aggressive. 692 00:40:51,116 --> 00:40:55,654 It truly has changed our collective nature. 693 00:40:55,687 --> 00:40:57,155 - It's the Alamo. 694 00:40:57,188 --> 00:41:00,859 - It's literally the Alamo. 695 00:41:00,892 --> 00:41:05,897 [ominous music] 696 00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:44,770 [Jeff] During that time over 150 thousand refugees 697 00:41:44,803 --> 00:41:47,773 were internally displaced, and another 700 thousand 698 00:41:47,806 --> 00:41:51,242 were displaced outside the county. 699 00:41:51,276 --> 00:41:54,746 So we were looking for a boy who's one of 150 thousand people 700 00:41:54,780 --> 00:41:58,884 who'd moved into these tented camps. 701 00:41:58,917 --> 00:42:01,920 The process of trying to find him seemed at some moments, 702 00:42:01,953 --> 00:42:06,858 futile, no one remembered him. 703 00:42:06,892 --> 00:42:09,895 [melancholic music] 704 00:42:10,962 --> 00:42:13,565 [road hum] 705 00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:16,568 Birol remained determined, he arranged through Dardan 706 00:42:16,602 --> 00:42:19,104 for me to go on the biggest television show in Kosovo, 707 00:42:19,137 --> 00:42:20,739 called Oxygen . 708 00:42:20,772 --> 00:42:22,107 I could tell he was thinking, 709 00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:24,743 "This is our last chance to find this boy." 710 00:42:24,776 --> 00:42:26,077 - Oxygen is popular. 711 00:42:26,111 --> 00:42:28,747 It's popular also in the villages. 712 00:42:28,780 --> 00:42:31,116 - How many people you think are watching on any given night? 713 00:42:31,149 --> 00:42:33,819 - It's the most popular for sure. 714 00:42:33,852 --> 00:42:41,092 Because we do not have too many TV shows. 715 00:42:41,126 --> 00:42:44,129 [Balkan music] 716 00:42:59,945 --> 00:43:01,246 [applause] 717 00:43:01,279 --> 00:43:02,948 [door opens] 718 00:43:04,182 --> 00:43:06,084 [applause on TV] 719 00:43:13,191 --> 00:43:15,827 - Hello welcome my buddy, how are you? 720 00:43:15,861 --> 00:43:17,696 - Nice to be here. 721 00:43:23,201 --> 00:43:27,038 - I'm here to try to locate someone who is in this book, 722 00:43:27,072 --> 00:43:30,108 from a photograph that was taken in 1998. 723 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,683 [Jeff on TV] Yeah, I wanted to know who he is, who took it, 724 00:43:37,716 --> 00:43:39,651 and that's why I'm here. 725 00:43:39,685 --> 00:43:41,152 [applause] 726 00:43:53,231 --> 00:43:55,066 [applause] 727 00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:12,283 [applause] 728 00:44:12,317 --> 00:44:14,119 - Thank you. 729 00:44:14,152 --> 00:44:16,287 [upbeat TV show music] 730 00:44:18,924 --> 00:44:21,392 - I didn't see myself, by the time Kosovo came around, 731 00:44:21,426 --> 00:44:26,031 in any way shape or form as a neutral observer. 732 00:44:26,064 --> 00:44:28,166 I was a participant. 733 00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:31,903 And I think for a lot of the journalists of my generation 734 00:44:31,937 --> 00:44:35,106 in that war we pretty much all felt the same way. 735 00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:37,809 We were working with the media, and I think we produced 736 00:44:37,843 --> 00:44:41,046 good journalism, fair journalism, but we were really 737 00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:44,382 actors in that story as well. 738 00:44:44,415 --> 00:44:46,852 Yeah we were very angry. 739 00:44:46,885 --> 00:44:50,121 - I think it's a combination of understanding, 740 00:44:50,155 --> 00:44:53,424 for myself, that I understand that I'm creating this document 741 00:44:53,458 --> 00:44:56,061 this body of evidence for whatever is going on. 742 00:44:56,094 --> 00:45:00,265 I'm contributing to sort of the historical record of humanity. 743 00:45:03,301 --> 00:45:05,370 It's often thought of as a photographer 744 00:45:05,403 --> 00:45:07,773 covering these situations when you're at a funeral 745 00:45:07,806 --> 00:45:10,909 that you're there exploiting them and taking advantage 746 00:45:10,942 --> 00:45:12,978 of them, and how dare you. 747 00:45:13,011 --> 00:45:15,947 When in fact actually in these situations these funerals are, 748 00:45:15,981 --> 00:45:19,050 in essence while personal, are also 749 00:45:19,084 --> 00:45:20,986 for lack of a better word, political. 750 00:45:21,019 --> 00:45:23,789 And I've been physically grabbed by a relative, 751 00:45:23,822 --> 00:45:27,258 dragged into the room where they're grieving over the body 752 00:45:27,292 --> 00:45:31,096 and told to photograph this, why else are you here? 753 00:45:31,129 --> 00:45:33,999 Show the world what happened to my mother, father, 754 00:45:34,032 --> 00:45:36,467 son, brother, tell them. 755 00:45:36,501 --> 00:45:39,470 He or she died because of X 756 00:45:39,504 --> 00:45:42,173 and I want the world to know that. 757 00:45:45,276 --> 00:45:46,978 - I cried only once in the field. 758 00:45:47,012 --> 00:45:48,146 [Jeff] What happened? 759 00:45:48,179 --> 00:45:51,316 - I got a call in the morning it's 6:30. 760 00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:54,285 It was the international Red Cross guys, 761 00:45:54,319 --> 00:45:56,922 they said, "Birol, you got to rush here. 762 00:45:56,955 --> 00:46:02,160 Horrible things happened in the village of Hombri." 763 00:46:02,193 --> 00:46:04,395 I can not even describe it, 764 00:46:06,131 --> 00:46:07,966 I started crying. 765 00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:10,568 First time. 766 00:46:10,601 --> 00:46:14,005 Translating and crying, you know, 767 00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:16,341 I still don't want to remember this, but I did it, you know, 768 00:46:16,374 --> 00:46:18,509 and I hate this. 769 00:46:21,346 --> 00:46:24,515 And that's triggered the change in the war. 770 00:46:24,549 --> 00:46:27,018 So that was the time after this story they brought 771 00:46:27,052 --> 00:46:30,555 international observers. 772 00:46:30,588 --> 00:46:36,828 And I'm proud I was part of the team that made it happen. 773 00:46:36,862 --> 00:46:39,831 Probably you know, like New York Times article, 774 00:46:39,865 --> 00:46:43,201 had quite an influence on that. 775 00:46:43,234 --> 00:46:45,170 - Because of the work of the journalists, 776 00:46:45,203 --> 00:46:49,540 the fact that we were there on the ground again in Kosovo, 777 00:46:49,574 --> 00:46:51,977 photographing the same thing and putting visual pressure 778 00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:55,847 and telling stories, not just the photography. 779 00:46:55,881 --> 00:46:58,216 Tony Blair and President Clinton, 780 00:46:58,249 --> 00:47:01,019 they started to act much faster. 781 00:47:01,052 --> 00:47:05,223 [music becoming more upbeat] 782 00:47:05,256 --> 00:47:07,893 [Bill Clinton] My fellow Americans, today our 783 00:47:07,926 --> 00:47:11,029 armed forces joined our NATO allies in air strikes against 784 00:47:11,062 --> 00:47:15,066 Serbian forces responsible for the brutality in Kosovo. 785 00:47:15,100 --> 00:47:19,370 We have acted with resolve for several reasons. 786 00:47:19,404 --> 00:47:22,373 We act to protect thousands of innocent people in Kosovo 787 00:47:22,407 --> 00:47:24,910 from a mounting military offensive. 788 00:47:24,943 --> 00:47:28,013 We act to prevent a wider war, to diffuse a powder keg 789 00:47:28,046 --> 00:47:30,515 at the heart of Europe that has exploded twice before 790 00:47:30,548 --> 00:47:34,953 in this century with catastrophic results. 791 00:47:34,986 --> 00:47:38,556 And we act to stand united with our allies for peace. 792 00:47:38,589 --> 00:47:42,060 - There's Bill Clinton. 793 00:47:42,093 --> 00:47:43,561 Do people really love him here? 794 00:47:43,594 --> 00:47:44,495 [Birol] Absolutely. 795 00:47:44,529 --> 00:47:45,396 [Jeff] Really? 796 00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:46,297 [Birol] Ya. 797 00:47:46,331 --> 00:47:47,332 - How long has this statue been here? 798 00:47:47,365 --> 00:47:51,502 - The statue has been here like two years now. 799 00:47:51,536 --> 00:47:52,570 - Really? 800 00:47:52,603 --> 00:47:55,440 - But it was named Bill Clinton Square immediately 801 00:47:55,473 --> 00:47:56,541 after the war. 802 00:47:56,574 --> 00:47:57,775 - Oh really? 803 00:47:57,808 --> 00:48:01,112 [Birol] I mean, he would win any elections for his lifetime 804 00:48:01,146 --> 00:48:01,512 in Kosovo forever. 805 00:48:01,546 --> 00:48:02,447 - Really. 806 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,682 - There's no question about it. 807 00:48:04,715 --> 00:48:09,921 [dance music] 808 00:48:29,540 --> 00:48:31,242 [Jeff] Wait, what is that store? 809 00:48:31,276 --> 00:48:35,613 [Dardan] "Hillary"-- that is the store when Hillary visited 810 00:48:35,646 --> 00:48:39,951 Kosovo she stopped to see the Bill Clinton statue, 811 00:48:39,985 --> 00:48:43,154 and then she entered in this shop and the owner 812 00:48:43,188 --> 00:48:48,493 gave her a present, some clothes from the shop 813 00:48:48,526 --> 00:48:51,729 and she took it and it was on the news. 814 00:48:51,762 --> 00:48:53,098 [chuckles] 815 00:49:05,543 --> 00:49:16,421 ["Star Spangled Banner" instrumental rendition] 816 00:49:16,454 --> 00:49:20,058 - Oh my word, wow. 817 00:49:23,661 --> 00:49:26,464 [Jeff] Oh my goodness gracious. 818 00:49:26,497 --> 00:49:31,502 [music continues] 819 00:49:33,671 --> 00:49:35,073 [Jeff] Incredible. 820 00:49:38,276 --> 00:49:40,311 [Jeff] Wow, and he is more proud of America 821 00:49:40,345 --> 00:49:42,013 than a lot of Americans. 822 00:49:42,047 --> 00:49:45,083 If Bill Clinton walked into this room, what would he do? 823 00:50:00,431 --> 00:50:03,068 - Let me tell you why this is interesting to me. 824 00:50:03,101 --> 00:50:05,503 Because if you went in any house in the United States, 825 00:50:05,536 --> 00:50:08,573 you would not see these two pictures in the same room. 826 00:50:13,411 --> 00:50:14,612 Thank you. 827 00:50:16,214 --> 00:50:21,219 [show theme music] 828 00:50:22,620 --> 00:50:24,589 [Host] Welcome! 829 00:50:39,104 --> 00:50:41,406 [applause] 830 00:50:42,173 --> 00:50:45,110 - I'm checking email and I see an urgent note from Birol. 831 00:50:45,143 --> 00:50:49,314 The first sentence is, "I'm proud to report we have him." 832 00:50:50,648 --> 00:50:53,484 - I was just glad to know that he was safe 833 00:50:53,518 --> 00:50:57,755 and I was super, super excited. 834 00:50:57,788 --> 00:50:59,557 I was like, I want to go. 835 00:50:59,590 --> 00:51:04,595 [upbeat music] 836 00:51:10,835 --> 00:51:12,103 [Jeff] Hey man how are you? 837 00:51:12,137 --> 00:51:13,304 [Birol] Welcome again. 838 00:51:13,338 --> 00:51:14,605 [Jeff] Good to be here. 839 00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:16,241 [Birol] Absolutely good to see you, hi. 840 00:51:16,274 --> 00:51:18,143 [Gracie] How are you, thank you, it's nice to meet you. 841 00:51:18,176 --> 00:51:20,278 [Jeff]] We were all just kind of floating, 842 00:51:20,311 --> 00:51:23,114 like, "Wow, we found this guy," 843 00:51:23,148 --> 00:51:26,517 and that felt fantastic, you know? 844 00:51:26,551 --> 00:51:28,786 Turns out his name was Sadik. 845 00:51:28,819 --> 00:51:31,322 I said Birol, what does he do, what's his work? 846 00:51:31,356 --> 00:51:34,559 And he said, he is a wedding singer. 847 00:51:34,592 --> 00:51:36,294 He said which is a big deal. 848 00:51:36,327 --> 00:51:41,299 But I think his dream was to be a pop singer. 849 00:51:41,332 --> 00:51:45,470 And one of his dreams was to perform on the TV show Oxygen . 850 00:51:45,503 --> 00:51:46,737 - Immediately when my dad found out that 851 00:51:46,771 --> 00:51:48,473 he was a wedding singer, he talked to Birol like, 852 00:51:48,506 --> 00:51:50,475 maybe we can do something. 853 00:51:50,508 --> 00:51:53,611 And so it was this, we thought this super exciting thing 854 00:51:53,644 --> 00:51:58,549 that maybe this could be his-- maybe this is his shot. 855 00:51:58,583 --> 00:52:00,585 This is different, is this it? 856 00:52:05,323 --> 00:52:09,327 - Yeah this is it, I went on so... 857 00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:10,728 [Gracie] Do you see him? 858 00:52:10,761 --> 00:52:15,366 - No but we need, let me go in the back and find Birol. 859 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,403 [ambient chatter] 860 00:52:25,243 --> 00:52:28,313 [Gracie] I was pretty nervous, if this kid is just like, 861 00:52:28,346 --> 00:52:30,315 hey nice to meet you, 862 00:52:30,848 --> 00:52:32,183 you know, that's it. 863 00:52:33,651 --> 00:52:36,421 You know, my dad's gonna be crushed. 864 00:52:36,454 --> 00:52:40,625 - Oh yeah, hey Birol, I walked right by you. 865 00:52:40,658 --> 00:52:42,793 So which is he? 866 00:52:42,827 --> 00:52:45,230 Wow, how are you? 867 00:52:45,263 --> 00:52:48,866 Good to see you, what did he say? 868 00:52:48,899 --> 00:52:49,934 - Welcome to Kosovo. 869 00:52:49,967 --> 00:52:52,503 - Oh thank you, thank you, okay good to see you. 870 00:52:52,537 --> 00:52:55,306 It's great to meet you after this long time. 871 00:52:55,340 --> 00:52:57,375 Good to see you. 872 00:52:57,408 --> 00:52:58,976 All of you, all of you came today. 873 00:52:59,009 --> 00:53:01,612 He didn't see the original newscast that had 874 00:53:01,646 --> 00:53:03,914 the photograph in it, but one of his sisters did. 875 00:53:03,948 --> 00:53:06,417 And when she heard the story she said, "That's my sweater, 876 00:53:06,451 --> 00:53:08,586 that's my blue sweater." 877 00:53:08,619 --> 00:53:11,256 And she knew they had cut the sleeves off of it. 878 00:53:20,465 --> 00:53:21,699 [Jeff] Oh thank you. 879 00:53:28,339 --> 00:53:30,375 [Jeff] What was that one moment like when he's like, 880 00:53:30,408 --> 00:53:32,543 "Wow that looks like me?" 881 00:53:35,045 --> 00:53:37,848 [Birol] I was very, we call it an emotion, 882 00:53:37,882 --> 00:53:39,417 it means excited. 883 00:54:01,739 --> 00:54:06,744 [emotional music] 884 00:54:09,947 --> 00:54:12,917 [Gracie] My heart was just pounding, 885 00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:15,520 I mean I would hug him and then look at him, 886 00:54:15,553 --> 00:54:17,322 and then hug him, and then look at him. 887 00:54:17,355 --> 00:54:21,326 I just couldn't believe that he was right in front of me. 888 00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:24,829 [Jeff] Did he ever think during that first day, 889 00:54:24,862 --> 00:54:27,765 "Oh I really don't want to fool with this?" 890 00:54:34,872 --> 00:54:39,977 - I think what I wanted is, that picture is part of the story, 891 00:54:40,010 --> 00:54:42,847 I didn't want it to be the whole story. 892 00:55:01,432 --> 00:55:03,568 - Are his parents alive, and if they are, 893 00:55:03,601 --> 00:55:06,537 do they know about this? 894 00:55:06,571 --> 00:55:07,772 [Birol translating] Yes. 895 00:55:07,805 --> 00:55:09,674 - And what do they think about it? 896 00:55:09,707 --> 00:55:13,544 [Birol translating to Sadik] 897 00:55:20,618 --> 00:55:24,355 - Yeah, you're the guest of honor. 898 00:55:24,389 --> 00:55:27,024 [applause] 899 00:55:33,163 --> 00:55:33,998 [applause] 900 00:55:37,402 --> 00:55:39,837 [applause] 901 00:55:48,779 --> 00:55:50,915 - I'm thrilled to find Sadik. 902 00:56:08,633 --> 00:56:11,068 [laughter and applause] 903 00:56:16,774 --> 00:56:19,977 - Tonight is I'm sure the start of a great friendship, 904 00:56:20,010 --> 00:56:22,980 and it's a friendship that in some ways is similar 905 00:56:23,013 --> 00:56:25,049 to the friendship of America and Kosovo, 906 00:56:25,082 --> 00:56:27,117 and I'm thrilled to be some part of that. 907 00:56:27,151 --> 00:56:29,119 And I'll look forward to wherever the adventure 908 00:56:29,153 --> 00:56:30,621 takes us from tonight. 909 00:56:30,655 --> 00:56:33,090 [applause] 910 00:57:10,495 --> 00:57:12,463 [applause] 911 00:57:12,497 --> 00:57:15,500 [traditional music] 912 00:57:17,802 --> 00:57:22,807 [sings in foreign language] 913 00:57:46,296 --> 00:57:47,464 [applause] 914 00:57:50,535 --> 00:57:53,003 [applause] 915 00:57:53,037 --> 00:57:55,039 [Host] Bravo! 916 00:57:55,906 --> 00:58:00,911 [emotional piano music] 917 00:58:06,851 --> 00:58:12,557 [cars passing] 918 00:58:12,590 --> 00:58:14,859 [Jeff] The next day, we traveled with Sadik to his village 919 00:58:14,892 --> 00:58:18,829 to have a traditional Albanian dinner with his family. 920 00:58:18,863 --> 00:58:21,065 If you could sing with any three artists? 921 00:58:21,699 --> 00:58:25,035 [Sadik] 922 00:58:25,069 --> 00:58:27,071 - Oh, yeah? - Ah, yes. 923 00:58:31,341 --> 00:58:33,578 [Sadik] 924 00:58:33,611 --> 00:58:36,714 - And what's your favorite Bryan Adams song? 925 00:58:36,747 --> 00:58:39,183 * You tell me 926 00:58:39,216 --> 00:58:41,786 [humming] 927 00:58:41,819 --> 00:58:46,757 * Know it's true, everything I do 928 00:58:46,791 --> 00:58:54,031 * Oh, I do it for you 929 00:58:54,064 --> 00:58:56,266 [cheering and applause] 930 00:58:58,769 --> 00:59:00,204 [Jeff] Sadik, is this right? 931 00:59:00,237 --> 00:59:03,240 - Yes, yes, go, go. 932 00:59:03,273 --> 00:59:05,743 [laughing] 933 00:59:27,765 --> 00:59:29,099 - There's his dad. 934 00:59:32,703 --> 00:59:34,138 [Jeff] Nice to see you. 935 00:59:34,972 --> 00:59:36,040 - Hello, how are you? 936 00:59:36,073 --> 00:59:38,108 [Jeff] Nice to see you. 937 00:59:43,413 --> 00:59:44,649 [Jashar] It's cold, huh? 938 00:59:44,682 --> 00:59:45,282 [Jeff] Yeah, it's freezing. 939 00:59:45,315 --> 00:59:46,283 [laughing] 940 00:59:46,316 --> 00:59:47,752 [Jashar] Yeah. 941 00:59:47,785 --> 00:59:48,853 [Jeff] Yeah, it's freezing. 942 00:59:48,886 --> 00:59:49,553 [Jashar] Not so much. 943 00:59:49,586 --> 00:59:51,922 - I'm from Texas where it's hot. 944 00:59:51,956 --> 00:59:55,159 [Jashar] 945 00:59:55,693 --> 00:59:59,764 - You know, I felt like I was in a really special place. 946 00:59:59,797 --> 01:00:01,666 I mean, I knew that they'd spent seven years 947 01:00:01,699 --> 01:00:03,000 trying to rebuild that house, 948 01:00:03,033 --> 01:00:04,769 after it was burned down. 949 01:00:08,272 --> 01:00:10,140 How are you related to the family? 950 01:00:10,174 --> 01:00:11,842 - Yeah, we're family. 951 01:00:11,876 --> 01:00:13,343 [indiscernible] 952 01:00:13,377 --> 01:00:16,013 [Jeff] So, Sadik is your cousin? 953 01:00:16,046 --> 01:00:17,247 Well, nice to meet you. 954 01:00:17,281 --> 01:00:18,983 - Thank you. Also. 955 01:00:19,016 --> 01:00:23,253 [indiscernible chatter] 956 01:00:23,287 --> 01:00:24,254 [Jeff] You knew her? 957 01:00:24,288 --> 01:00:25,790 - This was my mother. 958 01:00:25,823 --> 01:00:26,691 [Jeff] Really? 959 01:00:26,724 --> 01:00:30,961 [Jashar] 960 01:00:30,995 --> 01:00:34,832 [Shani] 961 01:00:34,865 --> 01:00:40,871 [Jashar] 962 01:00:40,905 --> 01:00:42,940 [Jeff] Really? 963 01:00:42,973 --> 01:00:49,013 [indiscernible chatter] 964 01:00:49,046 --> 01:00:52,316 [Jeff] Hey, did you see this one over here? 965 01:00:52,349 --> 01:00:53,684 Is this you? 966 01:00:53,718 --> 01:00:55,019 - Yeah. 967 01:00:55,052 --> 01:00:57,021 - Do you remember the photographer? 968 01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:24,381 - They walked two and a half days, Sadik says. 969 01:01:40,898 --> 01:01:43,968 [Jeff] Was everything still here when you got here? 970 01:01:48,939 --> 01:01:50,808 - Do you remember it? 971 01:01:54,311 --> 01:01:59,817 [silence] 972 01:01:59,850 --> 01:02:04,288 [barking in the distance] 973 01:02:14,198 --> 01:02:16,801 - Serbs were fighting and were shelling our village. 974 01:02:16,834 --> 01:02:19,303 We thought that it would be safe here, 975 01:02:19,336 --> 01:02:22,840 to seek refuge in the mountains, here. 976 01:02:22,873 --> 01:02:27,144 [barking in the distance] 977 01:02:54,538 --> 01:02:56,573 - But I don't want to see them anymore. 978 01:02:56,606 --> 01:02:58,008 Ever. 979 01:03:01,178 --> 01:03:04,815 [indiscernible chatter] 980 01:03:04,849 --> 01:03:07,284 - Sadik asked me to see the photos that I had taken 981 01:03:07,317 --> 01:03:08,953 the night before. 982 01:03:10,554 --> 01:03:12,056 [laughing] 983 01:03:12,089 --> 01:03:13,323 [Gracie] There's a couple? 984 01:03:15,225 --> 01:03:18,295 [laughing] 985 01:03:21,165 --> 01:03:22,566 Somehow, for him not speaking English, 986 01:03:22,599 --> 01:03:24,534 you know, we went through all the photos, you know, 987 01:03:24,568 --> 01:03:26,203 and his friend was translating a little bit. 988 01:03:26,236 --> 01:03:28,605 After dinner, I could see that there was some shuffling 989 01:03:28,638 --> 01:03:33,077 or what not, and the mom has these yellow flowers, 990 01:03:33,110 --> 01:03:35,612 and this chocolate, and just held onto me, 991 01:03:35,645 --> 01:03:38,382 and said thank you, and I could hear Sadik say, 992 01:03:38,415 --> 01:03:40,050 you know, that's from me. 993 01:03:40,084 --> 01:03:41,051 [Gracie] That's from you? 994 01:03:41,085 --> 01:03:42,452 Thank you. 995 01:03:42,486 --> 01:03:43,888 Thank you very much. 996 01:03:43,921 --> 01:03:45,355 Thank you. 997 01:03:45,389 --> 01:03:50,394 [soft uplifting music] 998 01:04:03,307 --> 01:04:06,043 [Jeff] After the war, the family rebuilt their home, 999 01:04:06,076 --> 01:04:10,414 and Sadik went back to school like a lot of the other kids. 1000 01:04:10,447 --> 01:04:15,119 Started singing when he was pretty young. 1001 01:04:15,152 --> 01:04:18,488 After high school, he started singing in weddings. 1002 01:04:24,294 --> 01:04:26,897 His parents are older, and so, 1003 01:04:26,931 --> 01:04:29,934 they really do rely on him. 1004 01:04:32,269 --> 01:04:35,372 [slow dramatic music] 1005 01:04:35,405 --> 01:04:37,441 Kosovo's gone through hard times since the end 1006 01:04:37,474 --> 01:04:39,676 of the war, and it's tough to find jobs, 1007 01:04:39,709 --> 01:04:43,580 especially for people Sadik's age, 1008 01:04:43,613 --> 01:04:46,383 but eventually, he found work in construction, 1009 01:04:46,416 --> 01:04:50,287 so he gets by, but it's not easy. 1010 01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:53,457 Are you gonna be playing the guitar or something, too? 1011 01:04:57,427 --> 01:04:59,463 [Jeff] Well, they're definitely making it harder. 1012 01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:06,003 [singing in foreign language] 1013 01:05:06,036 --> 01:05:08,939 [Jeff] Sadik dreams of a music career, 1014 01:05:08,973 --> 01:05:11,408 and singing live on national television with Oxygen 1015 01:05:11,441 --> 01:05:15,012 gave him a sense of something bigger. 1016 01:05:15,045 --> 01:05:17,247 He doesn't like asking for help, 1017 01:05:17,281 --> 01:05:20,184 but I've really tried to encourage him. 1018 01:05:23,420 --> 01:05:26,256 With the help of his oldest sister, 1019 01:05:26,290 --> 01:05:30,127 we tried to get a work visa for Sadik for Germany, 1020 01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,629 where he'd have more opportunity. 1021 01:05:34,398 --> 01:05:37,968 We tried three times, but it didn't work out. 1022 01:05:40,270 --> 01:05:41,638 - Test. 1023 01:05:41,671 --> 01:05:43,607 [Jeff] I helped him make a music video, 1024 01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,043 but then, he went on to make one of his own. 1025 01:05:46,076 --> 01:05:50,047 I was thrilled when I found out that he had done that. 1026 01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:56,653 [singing in foreign language - romantic techno music] 1027 01:05:56,686 --> 01:06:05,062 * 1028 01:06:05,095 --> 01:06:08,332 [Wade] The picture has a life, it continues to live. 1029 01:06:08,365 --> 01:06:11,468 I mean, it's living now, and all of this movement 1030 01:06:11,501 --> 01:06:16,073 around the world is all because of this one photograph, 1031 01:06:16,106 --> 01:06:18,542 and, for me, that's amazing, you know, 1032 01:06:18,575 --> 01:06:22,646 that's a miracle that this photograph is alive. 1033 01:06:22,679 --> 01:06:26,316 - The story of Jeff being affected by Alex's photograph 1034 01:06:26,350 --> 01:06:29,786 makes perfect sense to me, and I think it's something 1035 01:06:29,819 --> 01:06:32,722 that I think she would be very happy to know about, 1036 01:06:32,756 --> 01:06:35,359 because, in the end, that's what we want as photographers, 1037 01:06:35,392 --> 01:06:39,063 you want the connection, you want that effect. 1038 01:06:39,096 --> 01:06:41,198 I mean, it starts with one person. 1039 01:06:42,732 --> 01:06:48,505 [singing in foreign language - dance music] 1040 01:06:48,538 --> 01:06:55,045 * 1041 01:06:55,079 --> 01:06:58,182 [Jeff] Alexander's mother, early on, I asked her, 1042 01:06:58,215 --> 01:07:01,818 "How would your daughter feel about me going to do this?" 1043 01:07:01,851 --> 01:07:04,421 And she said, "Not only would she be okay with it, 1044 01:07:04,454 --> 01:07:06,090 she would have gone with you." 1045 01:07:06,123 --> 01:07:08,192 This was the whole point of her work, 1046 01:07:08,225 --> 01:07:10,594 this was the whole point of her life, 1047 01:07:10,627 --> 01:07:14,498 to take images that really moved people. 1048 01:07:14,531 --> 01:07:19,536 [slow dramatic music] 1049 01:07:24,441 --> 01:07:27,444 When I look at it now, I don't see the same photograph 1050 01:07:27,477 --> 01:07:30,780 that I saw-- that war photo. 1051 01:07:30,814 --> 01:07:33,383 I see a real person, I know that person, 1052 01:07:33,417 --> 01:07:34,784 I know his mother, I know his father, 1053 01:07:34,818 --> 01:07:41,091 I know Birol, and Dardan, and that picture, now, 1054 01:07:41,125 --> 01:07:43,460 it's almost gone from being a single frame 1055 01:07:43,493 --> 01:07:46,563 to part of this continuum, 1056 01:07:47,431 --> 01:07:50,167 and we are all a part of that. 1057 01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:54,871 [dramatic music] 1058 01:07:54,904 --> 01:08:00,210 In the war, were there people all up here? 1059 01:08:00,244 --> 01:08:02,546 Oh, down. Yeah. 1060 01:08:02,579 --> 01:08:04,814 Your tent, yeah. 1061 01:08:04,848 --> 01:08:08,618 Will he ever come here again in his life? 1062 01:08:16,593 --> 01:08:22,632 [rain falling, dramatic music] 1063 01:08:53,597 --> 01:08:55,499 - How long was he here? 1064 01:09:02,406 --> 01:09:04,508 - So, for him, 1065 01:09:04,541 --> 01:09:06,610 is this a safe place? 1066 01:09:09,646 --> 01:09:12,349 - This was a safe place. 1067 01:09:12,382 --> 01:09:15,685 Yeah. 1068 01:09:18,355 --> 01:09:20,357 - Yeah. Yeah. 1069 01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:24,528 Yeah, today it's all right. 1070 01:09:25,762 --> 01:09:27,364 [Jeff] We should go. 1071 01:09:27,397 --> 01:09:32,402 [slow dramatic music] 1072 01:09:34,871 --> 01:09:44,848 [upbeat emotional music] 1073 01:09:44,881 --> 01:09:47,884 * 1074 01:10:55,084 --> 01:10:58,288 [faster tempo upbeat music] 1075 01:11:42,499 --> 01:11:45,502 [Balkan music] 1076 01:12:10,026 --> 01:12:13,029 [slow dramatic music] 77488

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