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[soft dramatic music]
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♪ ♪
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‐ [exhales]
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‐ It's still somethingthat I'm getting used to‐‐
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the term "survivor."
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This is a way to face my fears.
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‐ I felt like
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I could keep it a secret,
and it was.
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It was my dirty little secret.
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‐ I didn't want to share thiswith anybody.
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I would have taken this
to my grave.
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‐ Being abusedby Jeffrey Epstein
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had a tollon the rest of my life.
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The trauma that I endured
from him is a life sentence.
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‐ Mark.
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‐ Tape two.
Marker.
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‐ Every day is unpredictable.
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One day it can be okay,
and the next day,
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it's just brutal.
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‐ Today, we announced
the unsealing
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of sex trafficking charges
against Jeffrey Epstein.
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‐ Epstein allegedly abuseddozens of minors
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at his homes in Manhattanand Palm Beach, Florida.
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‐ He was completely obsessed
with young girls
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and sex with them.
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‐ Prosecutors are nowlooking to properties
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in New Mexicoand the Caribbean.
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‐ The charges detailEpstein's scheme
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to systematically createthe vast network
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of underage girls to abuse.
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‐ Jeffrey had a particularlyelaborate seduction system.
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He had women around him
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that he trained to understandwhat he was looking for.
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‐ He always had youintroduce friends
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and the friends introduce
more friends.
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‐ There was times
where I brought
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two and three girls in a day.
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‐ The recruiters
put themselves in places
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where they would find young,
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innocent potential victims
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who were malleable.
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‐ I call it a pyramid scheme,
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and the pyramid scheme
started with
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Jeffreyand Ghislaine Maxwell.
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‐ Ghislaine was
fantastically charming.
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Her British accent
and her connections
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served her wellin recruiting young girls.
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‐ I genuinely thought thatshe really did care about me,
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and so it was a giant blowto learn
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that she was in on all of it.
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‐ They knew exactly howto pull you in to trust them.
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I went from one personto the next
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just like a human baton
being passed along.
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‐ He groomed meto be a personal sex slave
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that brought him
underage girls.
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‐ What is it that you weretold you would have to do?
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‐ By the timeof the sexual assault,
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they were tricked.
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‐ I really didn't want to.
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I don't know.
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‐ The more I kept trying
to resist,
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the more fun he was having.
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‐ As soon as he reached for me,
I was already frozen.
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I was 14.
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I was never the sameafter that.
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‐ Some breaking newsright now.
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Disgraced financierJeffrey Epstein
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has taken his own lifewhile he was behind bars.
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‐ I was just really angry at
how this could have happened.
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‐ This guy has never
been held accountable
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for anything he's done.
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‐ He wins every [bleep] time.
[sniffles]
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‐ Any co‐conspiratorsshould not rest easy.
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The victims deserve justice,
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and they will get it.
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‐ You kinda wantto ask Ghislaine,
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"What the hell
were you thinking?"
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‐ These young womenneed to be believed.
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When they told their storyto the police,
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nobody did anything about it.
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Their voices didn'thave value.
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That has to change.
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‐ I just gotta dig deepand take back my power
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'cause that's the only way
I'm gonna heal.
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‐ I'm nota young girl anymore.
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I'm gonna fight back.
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I'm just gonna keep on
speaking the truth.
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‐ We need to get to the bottom
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of everybody
who was involved with that.
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The truth has a funny way
of showing its head
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and I'm not stopping
till it does.
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‐ The FBI arrested
Ghislaine Maxwell
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around 8:30 this morning
in Bedford, New Hampshire.
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They say she helpedthe now‐dead millionaire
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sex traffic young girls,abuse them,
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some as young as 14 years old.
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‐ I mean, it's so dark.He's dead.
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He's mysterious.
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People like myths.People don't like truth.
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But the survivorshave a story to tell.
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[slate clacking]
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‐ It was, like,the summer of going
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from eighth to ninth grade.
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I had braceson half of my teeth.
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I was, uh, young, 14,
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awkward little girl.
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My friend told us about
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this really cool guyon Palm Beach Island
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who we could make $200 from.
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He just wanted a massage.
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$200 was huge to me,
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and she kind of
played it off like,
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"Oh, you know,
it's really no big deal.
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This guy's super nice.
He has a super nice house,"
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and then she ended up
taking me.
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When you drive over the bridgeto go on Palm Beach Island,
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you could just feel, like,
the money and power.
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I was brought to his house.
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It's, like,the end of the street,
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the last house.
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Everything's, like,super secluded
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and super private.
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[birds chirping]
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And it's a beautiful mansion,
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and we walk in,and there's the chef,
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and, you know, his secretary,
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and these gorgeous women,barefoot models,
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and here I am 14,and I remember thinking,
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"Why do they want me?"
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‐ Please raise your right hand.
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Do you swear from the testimony
you're about to give
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will be the truth,
the whole truth,
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and nothing but the truth?
‐ Yes, ma'am.
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‐ Thank you.
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‐ Can you give us your name?
‐ Jeffrey Epstein.
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[tense music]
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‐ Mr. Epstein,
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how long have you been
sexually attracted
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to underage minor females?
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‐ Are you kidding?
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‐ On the multiple timesthat I saw him,
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he always appeared
as though he felt
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he was the smartest one
in the room.
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‐ I assert
my fifth, sixth,
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and 14th amendment rights
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to the United States
constitution.
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‐ He had this smirk on himand carried himself like,
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"I am powerful.
I am wealthy.
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Who are youto be questioning me?"
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That was the air about him.
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‐ To really understandthe psychology
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of what happened here,you have to understand
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Jeffrey Epsteinwas a master manipulator.
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He used whatever it was that
that young person needed
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in order to force them
to do the things
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he wanted them to do.
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‐ Palm Beach is a veryinteresting place.
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You have a very wealthysegment of the population,
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one of the wealthiestin the United States,
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and by Palm Beach,
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what I'm talking aboutis the island,
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and the island is very
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So you go from millionaireand billionaire row
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on the islandto then a little further west,
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which is more middle class,to then even further west,
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which is a much lowersocioeconomic group
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living outin the western communities.
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This was the pool
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that he preyed upon the most.
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If you approach a 14,
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15‐year‐oldprivate school girl
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that has a Gucci handbag,
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and she hears about
some old guy
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that wants a massage
for a couple hundred dollars,
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they're not gonna respond
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Take that same proposition
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to a young girlthat's barely getting by.
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That's a differentproposition.
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The easiest preyis the weakest in the group,
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and that was his method.
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That was his modus operandi.
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‐ I grew up inWest Palm Beach, Florida.
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My mom was a single parent.She was also my hero.
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You know, she was my mom,my father.
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She was everything.
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She was a superhero
in my eyes,
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but pretty much every time
she got a new boyfriend
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or a new job,
we would move,
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and every time we moved,
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it meant that I was movinga different school,
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so I was constantly havingto try to make friends.
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It was really, really hard
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My mom had been doing drugs
and drinking for a while,
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and she kind of fell offthe deep end.
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I started rebelling more.
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I started acting outagainst her,
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and I knew she wasn'tpaying attention.
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Our whole lives changed then.
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‐ When I was in middle school,
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in sixth, seventh,and eighth grade,
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I was a straight A student.
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I was captainof the cheerleading squad.
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I played first chair trumpet.
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Once I hit teenager years
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is when my life
kinda got rocky.
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My mother dealtwith addiction,
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and we went from havinga house, an apartment,
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to basically living in hotelsand stuff like that.
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This is when
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I went to Jeffrey'sfor the first time.
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Me and my friend walk in,
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and you just feel elite
walking into the room.
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My friend brings me upstairs,
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and she's setting upthe massage table
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and putting the towels,
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and then we sit and waitfor him to come in.
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When Jeffrey comes in,
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he just kinda acted like,"Oh," you know,
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"Hey, hi.How are you?"
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And laid on the table
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like he just knew what
we were gonna do, you know?
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We gave him a massagefor, like, 30 minutes,
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and then he asked my friendto go downstairs.
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[door closes]
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It's like going overthe railroad tracks.
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Like, your stomach‐‐you know, that feeling,
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and you just knowit's not right.
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He called me over,
asked me to, um,
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take my bra and panties off,
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to get completely naked.
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All I could think of is Iwas just looking at the clock,
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like,
"Okay, when is this gonna end?
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How long is this gonna take,
and what is happening?"
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It quickly transitionsto him molesting me.
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I just went along with itbecause it's like,
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I'm just, uh,
you know, a child.
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I remember walking downthe staircase after.
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I'm given the $200,and I'm like,
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so upset and disgusted
and just feeling like,
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"I'll never come back here
ever again."
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And then, you know,
after a week went by,
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I just, like, downplayed
the situation myself.
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It was like, you know,
"Maybe it wasn't so bad,
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and I could go back
because I do need more money,"
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and it was just, uh‐‐
it was just this sick cycle,
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and that's what happened,
you know?
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[sniffles]
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[line trilling]
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[tense music]
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‐ I was working inthe North Palm Beach area.
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The case came to my firm
originally
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from the first young girl
that actually went to police.
273
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‐ The reason why
I wanted to talk to you
274
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is I am conducting
an ongoing investigation.
275
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You're a witness,
possibly a victim.
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‐ She had beenenticed over there
277
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because it was
quick, easy money
278
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to give this older man
a massage.
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280
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We start hearing theseunbelievable stories
281
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of numbers and numbers
of young girls
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from her high school
that had gone over there.
283
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‐ You solemnly swear
to tell the truth,
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the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth,
285
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so help you God?
286
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‐ And initially we said,
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"This is too gruesome
and too awful
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to be even true‐‐
or close to the truth."
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‐ Tell me from the beginning
how you met this gentleman.
290
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‐ What is it that you were told
you would have to do?
291
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‐ At any point did he ask you
to remove your clothes?
292
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‐ Did he touch your breasts?
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‐ Did he touch your
vaginal area?
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‐ And did you have intercourse
with him?
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‐ Almost every single oneof the young girls
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were in high school,and most of them
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were under the age of 18,
some as young as 14.
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‐ All of these young girlswere children,
300
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and a lot of them
were afraid.
301
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‐ Just take a deep breath.
302
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‐ You're not the only person
that he's done this to.
303
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‐ Okay?
304
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I've talked to a lot of girls.
‐ Uh‐huh.
305
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‐ Almost 40 girls.
306
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‐ As we learn more and moreabout the case
307
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and the breadth of it,
308
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it goes from,
"I can't believe this,"
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as an attorney,
to, "Oh, my God.
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I can't believe
this is actually happening."
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♪ ♪
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[tense music]
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♪ ♪
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♪ ♪
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‐ People ask whyvictims of Jeffrey Epstein
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went back to his houseafter the first assault.
317
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Jeffrey Epstein knew exactly
what he was doing.
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He took the time to groom them
and to figure out
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what aboutthat particular individual
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he could exploitto fill a void
321
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maybe that wasn't beingfilled elsewhere.
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‐ I think I had a job
at, like, Miami Subs,
323
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but, you know, I definitely
didn't have any money.
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♪ ♪
325
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I thought Jeffreywas my saving grace.
326
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He's just, you know,
trying to help me out, really,
327
00:16:00,668 --> 00:16:02,962
and he's gonna pay me $200
for this massage, like,
328
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so when he,you know, came in,
329
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I acted like I was comfortable
330
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and that I was okaywith everything,
331
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and I'm not really sure why‐‐
how or why that happened.
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‐ A perpetrator who hasa propensity for children
333
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tends to understand that
they won't get what they want
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from fear,
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so they tend to use seduction.
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The hook was money in exchangefor a simple task‐‐
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to do a massage.
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‐ Preying on Courtney'sfinancial vulnerability,
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Jeffrey Epstein madeanother offer, which was,
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"Any person
that you bring to me
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"that's of the same age as you,
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I'll pay you
a $200 finder's fee."
343
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And Courtney then began,when she was at school,
344
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when she was atsocial gatherings
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with other14, 15, 16 year olds,
346
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when she was at the mall,
347
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making the same offerthat had been offered to her,
348
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which led to Courtney
probably bringing
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30 other minors
to Jeffrey Epstein's house.
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♪ ♪
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‐ His type was basicallyvery young,
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white teenagers.
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Once I got comfortable with,like, approaching girls
354
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and kind of finessing them
in a way to, like, say,
355
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"Oh, it's just a massage
and you just have to do this,"
356
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and making it sound
oh‐so‐good for them to go,
357
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there was times whereI brought two and three girls
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in a day.
359
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He groomed me to be exactly
what he wanted me to be:
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a personal sex slave that
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brought him underage girls.
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You know, these are my friends
that I brought.
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♪ ♪
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‐ It wasn't just the way
that the girl looked.
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It was the whole set up.
It was the whole manipulation.
366
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It was the whole trickery,
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and he was manipulating
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vulnerableand alone individuals,
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girls that he knew wouldn'thave any adult in their life
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who would stand up for them,either,
371
00:18:04,709 --> 00:18:07,545
and I think
that is part of the deviance
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for Jeffrey Epstein.
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[dramatic music]
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‐ When this was all happening
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and I wentto Jeffrey Epstein's house,
376
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my mom was in jail
or had just gotten out of jail.
377
00:18:19,432 --> 00:18:21,642
One of my friends had asked meif I wanted to come stay
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the weekend with her,and she's like,
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"I have this one girlfriend
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and we can go over thereand hang out."
381
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It was in a trailer park
in Palm Beach County.
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There was aboutfour or five other girls
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just talking about stufflike teenage girls do,
384
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and then someone started
making jokes about Jeffrey.
385
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"He just likes young girlsto give him a massage."
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They're, like, giggling,
387
00:18:47,168 --> 00:18:49,337
and making funpretty much of him
388
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and just how easy it was
to make $200.
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♪ ♪
390
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The main girl dressed meand did my makeup
391
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and did my hair.
392
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I felt kind of pretty because I
was getting to wear her clothes
393
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and she was pretty,
and she was‐‐
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what seemed to be popular.
395
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She was giving me attention,
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which I really neededat that time.
397
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She seemed so comfortable with
going like it's no big deal.
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I just thought,you know,
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it couldn't be too bad
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if these other peoplehave done it.
401
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♪ ♪
402
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It was the first timethat I had been on the island.
403
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I'd never really beenin that type of money.
404
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We shopped at Walmartor Target.
405
00:19:34,298 --> 00:19:37,510
Just the boats alone asyou're going over the bridge,
406
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it's straight outof the movies.
407
00:19:39,887 --> 00:19:41,430
You're like,
408
00:19:41,514 --> 00:19:44,642
"Who the heck can ever afford
something like this?"
409
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‐ Mr. Epstein, is it true you
were born January 20th, 1953?
410
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‐ Yes.
‐ Where?
411
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‐ New York.
‐ Where in New York?
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‐ Brooklyn.
413
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♪ ♪
414
00:20:02,702 --> 00:20:06,330
‐ Jeffrey Epstein was a kidfrom a working class family.
415
00:20:06,414 --> 00:20:08,499
He grew up in Coney Island.
416
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His dad worked for the NewYork City Parks Department,
417
00:20:11,836 --> 00:20:14,463
and his parents instilled
in him and his brother
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00:20:14,547 --> 00:20:16,924
that education was the key
to get on.
419
00:20:17,007 --> 00:20:18,801
‐ Epstein is very gifted.
420
00:20:18,926 --> 00:20:20,553
Skips two grades,
421
00:20:20,678 --> 00:20:23,472
graduates at the age of 16,and he gets accepted
422
00:20:23,597 --> 00:20:25,641
into a very difficultto get into college
423
00:20:25,683 --> 00:20:26,976
called Cooper Union.
424
00:20:27,059 --> 00:20:28,811
‐ What'd you study?
425
00:20:28,936 --> 00:20:30,479
‐ Physics.
426
00:20:30,521 --> 00:20:32,982
‐ And, uh, why did you
leave college early?
427
00:20:33,023 --> 00:20:36,152
♪ ♪
428
00:20:36,235 --> 00:20:37,862
‐ I intend to respond
to all relevant questions
429
00:20:37,987 --> 00:20:39,321
regarding this lawsuit.
430
00:20:39,405 --> 00:20:40,990
‐ He didn't actuallyfinish his degree.
431
00:20:41,073 --> 00:20:43,826
He dropped out,and then in 1974,
432
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:47,371
he somehow gets a jobteaching at Dalton,
433
00:20:47,496 --> 00:20:49,457
which is an exclusive school
434
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on the upper east sideof Manhattan,
435
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where very wealthy,very powerful people
436
00:20:54,003 --> 00:20:56,672
send their children.
437
00:20:56,797 --> 00:21:00,259
‐ Jeffrey was partof the math department.
438
00:21:00,342 --> 00:21:02,011
He was young.
439
00:21:02,136 --> 00:21:04,388
About 20 years old.
440
00:21:04,513 --> 00:21:08,517
This is not your typical
Dalton teacher.
441
00:21:08,642 --> 00:21:13,022
Usually, they did not
sport wide lapels,
442
00:21:13,147 --> 00:21:15,649
gold chains,and open shirts,
443
00:21:15,733 --> 00:21:18,527
exposing a certain amount
of chest.
444
00:21:18,652 --> 00:21:22,573
Straight out
of "Saturday Night Fever."
445
00:21:22,698 --> 00:21:25,409
He came froma different social class
446
00:21:25,493 --> 00:21:27,828
to a school that attracted
447
00:21:27,912 --> 00:21:31,248
a number of very,very affluent families.
448
00:21:31,373 --> 00:21:32,750
‐ For Epstein,
449
00:21:32,875 --> 00:21:34,752
this was a really importantfirst step
450
00:21:34,835 --> 00:21:38,464
on his ascendancy to the worldin which he wanted to live.
451
00:21:38,547 --> 00:21:39,632
If he didn't have the money
452
00:21:39,715 --> 00:21:42,426
to be those kind of people
just yet,
453
00:21:42,510 --> 00:21:43,886
he was gonna rub shoulders
with them.
454
00:21:44,011 --> 00:21:45,221
He was gonna make connections,
455
00:21:45,346 --> 00:21:47,306
and that's exactly
what happened.
456
00:21:47,348 --> 00:21:50,976
‐ It's very possible thathe encountered a student
457
00:21:51,101 --> 00:21:53,979
who was relatedto the management
458
00:21:54,063 --> 00:21:58,818
at Bear Stearns that provided
him with a stepping stone
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00:21:58,901 --> 00:22:02,571
to his Wall Street career.
460
00:22:02,696 --> 00:22:05,366
‐ After two years on the job,Epstein left.
461
00:22:05,491 --> 00:22:07,326
He claims that he wantedto go on to Wall Street,
462
00:22:07,451 --> 00:22:08,953
but there was also
the suggestion that
463
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he was fired because his
performance wasn't improving.
464
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You're seeing the firstof many myth‐making moments
465
00:22:15,709 --> 00:22:19,296
where there's some disputeabout how he exits somewhere.
466
00:22:19,380 --> 00:22:22,633
‐ Jeffrey went to workfor Ace Greenberg
467
00:22:22,716 --> 00:22:25,052
at Bear Stearns after Dalton.
468
00:22:25,135 --> 00:22:26,846
‐ Greenberg had this term
469
00:22:26,929 --> 00:22:29,765
for people he was looking forto work at Bear Stearns.
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PSDs‐‐
471
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poor, smart,
and desperate to succeed.
472
00:22:33,561 --> 00:22:36,146
Epstein very muchfit that mold.
473
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:38,816
‐ Epstein skyrockets there.
474
00:22:38,899 --> 00:22:40,776
He starts at 23.
475
00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:44,363
In four years,
he's a limited partner.
476
00:22:44,446 --> 00:22:45,865
1980, he's actually
477
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a "Cosmopolitan"Bachelor of the Month.
478
00:22:48,868 --> 00:22:50,661
He says thathe only talks to people
479
00:22:50,703 --> 00:22:52,162
if they make a millionor more per year.
480
00:22:52,246 --> 00:22:53,664
[indistinct chatter]
481
00:22:53,706 --> 00:22:56,709
1981,there's a suspicious trade,
482
00:22:56,834 --> 00:22:59,545
which later becamean insider trading case,
483
00:22:59,670 --> 00:23:03,507
and Epstein resignsnot long after the trade.
484
00:23:03,632 --> 00:23:05,301
♪ ♪
485
00:23:05,384 --> 00:23:08,053
‐ Again, there's some disputeover what actually happened.
486
00:23:08,137 --> 00:23:09,638
Epstein sayshe wanted to leave
487
00:23:09,763 --> 00:23:11,307
and start his own company.
488
00:23:11,432 --> 00:23:13,183
As with Dalton,
489
00:23:13,267 --> 00:23:14,894
there's sort of two pictures
that emerge‐‐
490
00:23:14,977 --> 00:23:17,563
Epstein's story
and then the official story,
491
00:23:17,688 --> 00:23:19,648
which perhaps paints
a different picture.
492
00:23:19,773 --> 00:23:22,651
‐ When Jeffrey Epstein met me,
493
00:23:22,776 --> 00:23:25,195
it was 1987.
494
00:23:25,321 --> 00:23:28,532
I was the CEOof a company that did
495
00:23:28,616 --> 00:23:31,869
a billion and a half dollarsa year on collections.
496
00:23:31,952 --> 00:23:33,287
[car horns honking]
497
00:23:33,370 --> 00:23:36,248
It was Epsteinthat had the vision
498
00:23:36,373 --> 00:23:40,336
to make ita major Ponzi company.
499
00:23:40,419 --> 00:23:43,547
He was open and transparent
in telling me
500
00:23:43,672 --> 00:23:46,550
that he had no moral compass.
501
00:23:46,675 --> 00:23:48,594
‐ Steven Hoffenbergran a company
502
00:23:48,677 --> 00:23:50,304
called Towers Financial.
503
00:23:50,429 --> 00:23:51,972
Legitimate business,
504
00:23:52,056 --> 00:23:55,017
but you can get rich a lot
quicker doing a Ponzi scheme,
505
00:23:55,142 --> 00:23:57,311
assuming you don't get caught.
506
00:23:57,394 --> 00:23:59,688
But it got caught.
507
00:23:59,772 --> 00:24:03,567
Only one person takes the fallfor the Towers scheme.
508
00:24:03,651 --> 00:24:08,906
‐ I spent 18 years
in federal prison.
509
00:24:09,031 --> 00:24:10,908
‐ Even thoughaccording to Hoffenberg,
510
00:24:11,033 --> 00:24:13,994
Epstein was at the absolutecenter of this operation,
511
00:24:14,078 --> 00:24:16,497
he wasn't prosecuted.
512
00:24:16,538 --> 00:24:20,292
‐ Jeffrey Epsteincreated an entire method
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00:24:20,334 --> 00:24:24,088
of how he would seduce people.
514
00:24:24,171 --> 00:24:26,799
A true seductive person
515
00:24:26,924 --> 00:24:30,177
has the ability to understand
what you're thinking,
516
00:24:30,260 --> 00:24:33,138
and Jeffrey Epstein
was a king‐‐
517
00:24:33,222 --> 00:24:36,850
a master of seduction.
518
00:24:36,934 --> 00:24:42,523
He felt he had protection
from the rule of law.
519
00:24:42,648 --> 00:24:46,151
He was not concerned.
520
00:24:46,276 --> 00:24:48,570
♪ ♪
521
00:24:53,033 --> 00:24:54,118
[soft dramatic music]
522
00:24:58,122 --> 00:24:59,206
♪ ♪
523
00:25:08,132 --> 00:25:11,135
‐ His behaviorreally was sociopathic‐‐
524
00:25:11,260 --> 00:25:14,138
manipulativeness,
superficial charm,
525
00:25:14,263 --> 00:25:16,557
uh, lack of anxiety,
526
00:25:16,682 --> 00:25:19,768
and predominantly,lack of empathy.
527
00:25:19,852 --> 00:25:23,022
He made a choice to act onthese sexual impulses
528
00:25:23,147 --> 00:25:24,481
in the way he did,
529
00:25:24,606 --> 00:25:26,483
and he made a choice
530
00:25:26,567 --> 00:25:29,862
to exploit
vulnerable individuals.
531
00:25:29,987 --> 00:25:31,739
‐ I definitelylooked the youngest
532
00:25:31,864 --> 00:25:33,657
out of a lot of my friends.
533
00:25:33,741 --> 00:25:37,036
They would joke around and saythat I was Virgin Mary.
534
00:25:37,161 --> 00:25:39,371
I was scared to do
any of that stuff, like,
535
00:25:39,496 --> 00:25:42,166
to have sex or anything,
so, um‐‐
536
00:25:42,249 --> 00:25:44,835
and embarrassed
of my body, too.
537
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,131
‐ The fact thathe viewed them as untouched,
538
00:25:49,256 --> 00:25:52,968
unsullied virginalwas a big part of it for him.
539
00:25:53,093 --> 00:25:55,179
That's why he's goingto a middle school
540
00:25:55,304 --> 00:25:57,431
or a high school.
541
00:25:57,514 --> 00:26:00,976
[somber music]
542
00:26:01,101 --> 00:26:02,311
‐ I was nervous.
543
00:26:02,436 --> 00:26:03,979
Once I entered the house,
544
00:26:04,063 --> 00:26:06,023
the nerves were there.
545
00:26:06,148 --> 00:26:07,691
The girl that hadbrought us there
546
00:26:07,816 --> 00:26:09,651
took me right upstairs.
547
00:26:09,735 --> 00:26:11,653
She said that he was gonnacome in in a few minutes,
548
00:26:11,779 --> 00:26:15,824
uh, and kinda left me.
549
00:26:15,908 --> 00:26:17,326
The biggest thingthat I remember
550
00:26:17,451 --> 00:26:20,496
is his, like, smirk smile.
551
00:26:20,621 --> 00:26:23,832
The way that his mouthcuts into the sides
552
00:26:23,916 --> 00:26:27,795
reminded me very much so
of, like, a clown smile.
553
00:26:27,878 --> 00:26:30,798
He laid belly downon the table.
554
00:26:30,881 --> 00:26:35,219
He asked me to get undressed
and just stand in my underwear.
555
00:26:35,344 --> 00:26:38,263
He was just very adamant,almost like a parent.
556
00:26:38,347 --> 00:26:39,473
Like, "Pick up your shoes."
557
00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:40,641
Like, you know
they mean business.
558
00:26:40,682 --> 00:26:41,809
They're not gonna get loud.
559
00:26:41,934 --> 00:26:43,102
They're not gonna
tell you again.
560
00:26:43,185 --> 00:26:44,561
You're just gonna do it.
561
00:26:44,686 --> 00:26:46,313
It made me feelvery uncomfortable,
562
00:26:46,396 --> 00:26:47,898
but I did as I was told.
563
00:26:48,023 --> 00:26:52,069
He was‐‐he was the adult,and I was a child.
564
00:26:52,194 --> 00:26:55,155
As soon as he reached for me,
I was already frozen.
565
00:26:55,239 --> 00:26:56,740
♪ ♪
566
00:26:56,865 --> 00:26:59,827
Almost numbto what was going on.
567
00:26:59,952 --> 00:27:04,206
Like, a frozen stateof shock.
568
00:27:04,331 --> 00:27:06,333
And he kept touchingaround my underwear
569
00:27:06,416 --> 00:27:08,794
and under my underwear
570
00:27:08,877 --> 00:27:11,964
and I finally told himto stop.
571
00:27:12,089 --> 00:27:14,591
He told me, "I'll stop if you
just take your underwear off
572
00:27:14,675 --> 00:27:16,552
so I can look."
573
00:27:16,677 --> 00:27:19,638
‐ He started withasking for a massage
574
00:27:19,763 --> 00:27:21,682
and then he askedfor a massage
575
00:27:21,807 --> 00:27:24,434
with a girl in herbra and panties,
576
00:27:24,518 --> 00:27:26,395
and then he progressedfrom there.
577
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,731
Inoculating a victim
578
00:27:29,857 --> 00:27:32,484
is part of the process
of grooming them.
579
00:27:32,568 --> 00:27:36,155
Once somebodyhas participated,
580
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,659
they almost universallyfeel like used goods.
581
00:27:40,784 --> 00:27:43,245
They feel damaged.
They feel dirty.
582
00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:46,915
They feel worthless.
583
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,625
‐ He had told methat I looked so pure
584
00:27:48,709 --> 00:27:50,502
while he was touching me.
585
00:27:50,627 --> 00:27:52,337
It felt weird for himto call me that
586
00:27:52,462 --> 00:27:54,631
as he was touching me.
587
00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:56,675
I was afraid.
588
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,345
I was very afraid
of what was gonna happen.
589
00:28:00,470 --> 00:28:02,181
He definitely had the control.
590
00:28:02,306 --> 00:28:03,599
I was in his house.
591
00:28:03,682 --> 00:28:05,517
♪ ♪
592
00:28:05,642 --> 00:28:08,312
He took his towel,
593
00:28:08,395 --> 00:28:10,647
wiped himself off,got up off the table,
594
00:28:10,731 --> 00:28:12,983
and walked out of the room.
595
00:28:13,108 --> 00:28:16,486
Once we walked out of the doorto go get into the cab,
596
00:28:16,570 --> 00:28:19,948
I was instantly in tears.
597
00:28:20,032 --> 00:28:21,950
My friends didn'tsay anything to me,
598
00:28:22,034 --> 00:28:24,369
and the other girl told me
to shut the [bleep] up
599
00:28:24,494 --> 00:28:26,496
and threw $200 at me.
600
00:28:26,580 --> 00:28:28,457
♪ ♪
601
00:28:28,540 --> 00:28:33,420
‐ He took girls who already
had problems with self‐esteem.
602
00:28:33,503 --> 00:28:35,297
They go along with it.
603
00:28:35,380 --> 00:28:38,425
They feel even worseabout themselves,
604
00:28:38,508 --> 00:28:39,968
and that perpetuates it.
605
00:28:40,052 --> 00:28:43,222
"I am worthless.I am dirty.
606
00:28:43,347 --> 00:28:45,224
"Why should I botherto treat myself
607
00:28:45,349 --> 00:28:47,309
"any betterthan he's treating me?
608
00:28:47,434 --> 00:28:50,812
Because, yeah, this confirmswhat I feel about myself."
609
00:28:50,896 --> 00:28:53,857
‐ One sexual assault
can completely change
610
00:28:53,941 --> 00:28:59,154
the quality of life
for the victim for years.
611
00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:01,490
They push that reality
as far away
612
00:29:01,615 --> 00:29:03,492
from their conscious mind
as they can.
613
00:29:03,533 --> 00:29:05,244
They use drugs.
They use alcohol.
614
00:29:05,369 --> 00:29:08,372
They may use sex so that
they don't think about it,
615
00:29:08,497 --> 00:29:09,998
so that they don't feel it.
616
00:29:10,123 --> 00:29:12,292
♪ ♪
617
00:29:12,376 --> 00:29:13,710
‐ When high school started,
618
00:29:13,835 --> 00:29:15,837
I was going to schooland skipping
619
00:29:15,963 --> 00:29:19,007
and getting picked upby truancy.
620
00:29:19,091 --> 00:29:21,426
I'm probably about16 years old about this time.
621
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:25,180
This is when I start, like,dabbling with drugs.
622
00:29:25,305 --> 00:29:27,099
Any time before I go
to Jeffrey's house,
623
00:29:27,182 --> 00:29:30,811
I take Xanax to, you know,
calm down
624
00:29:30,936 --> 00:29:33,689
and not have to feel anything.
625
00:29:33,814 --> 00:29:35,941
I end up droppingout of school
626
00:29:36,024 --> 00:29:39,152
and it just, like‐‐my life
just spirals downhill.
627
00:29:39,236 --> 00:29:41,488
♪ ♪
628
00:29:41,571 --> 00:29:43,782
‐ Before I got to him,
629
00:29:43,865 --> 00:29:46,743
I was starting to go througha rebellious stage.
630
00:29:46,868 --> 00:29:48,328
Typical teen stuff,
631
00:29:48,412 --> 00:29:51,748
but after the whole situationwith him,
632
00:29:51,873 --> 00:29:54,584
with how the girl that brought
us there treated me,
633
00:29:54,668 --> 00:29:56,003
I was different.
634
00:29:56,128 --> 00:29:58,630
I was angry at myselfabout this‐‐
635
00:29:58,714 --> 00:30:00,090
putting myselfin that position.
636
00:30:00,173 --> 00:30:02,968
How stupid could I have been?
637
00:30:03,093 --> 00:30:05,971
I started spiraling
a little bit more
638
00:30:06,096 --> 00:30:08,640
and definitely being
more promiscuous.
639
00:30:08,724 --> 00:30:10,100
It felt like, you know,
640
00:30:10,183 --> 00:30:12,060
someone had already tooken
something from me
641
00:30:12,185 --> 00:30:14,479
that maybe I could have
more control over
642
00:30:14,604 --> 00:30:17,149
if I was making the calls,
643
00:30:17,274 --> 00:30:21,653
and when you think that way,
you really don't have control.
644
00:30:21,778 --> 00:30:26,533
You're making hasty decisionsbecause you're hurting so bad.
645
00:30:26,616 --> 00:30:28,327
I was never the same
after that.
646
00:30:28,368 --> 00:30:32,789
♪ ♪
647
00:30:36,335 --> 00:30:39,921
[soft dramatic music]
648
00:30:40,005 --> 00:30:41,882
‐ The '90s and the 2000s
649
00:30:42,007 --> 00:30:44,468
are the glory daysfor Jeffrey Epstein.
650
00:30:44,593 --> 00:30:48,013
It's when he becomes
what he really wanted to be,
651
00:30:48,138 --> 00:30:51,224
which is a memberof the billionaire class.
652
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:52,934
He was still rougharound the edges.
653
00:30:53,018 --> 00:30:54,519
You know, he was stillthis kid from Brooklyn.
654
00:30:54,644 --> 00:30:56,772
He still hadhis Brooklyn accent.
655
00:30:56,855 --> 00:30:58,398
‐ He was ascending,
656
00:30:58,482 --> 00:31:02,402
but there was stillsociety in New York.
657
00:31:02,527 --> 00:31:04,821
You had to know how to behave,
658
00:31:04,905 --> 00:31:06,615
and you had to know
how to know people,
659
00:31:06,698 --> 00:31:08,158
and, you know,
there was a club,
660
00:31:08,283 --> 00:31:10,827
and Jeffrey was interested
in being in that club.
661
00:31:10,952 --> 00:31:13,080
It's sort of like"The Talented Mr. Ripley."
662
00:31:13,205 --> 00:31:15,499
He was appropriatingan identity,
663
00:31:15,624 --> 00:31:17,042
trying it out.
664
00:31:17,167 --> 00:31:19,252
‐ I was surprisedto find myself
665
00:31:19,336 --> 00:31:21,630
in Jeffrey Epstein'slittle black book,
666
00:31:21,755 --> 00:31:24,883
but nearly everyone
in that book it seems
667
00:31:25,008 --> 00:31:27,344
was a great friend
of Ghislaine.
668
00:31:27,469 --> 00:31:29,930
‐ Ghislaine Maxwellis a British socialite,
669
00:31:30,013 --> 00:31:31,348
and she was basically born
670
00:31:31,473 --> 00:31:33,850
with a silver spoonin her mouth.
671
00:31:33,975 --> 00:31:36,812
‐ The first timeI met Ghislaine was in 1999.
672
00:31:36,937 --> 00:31:38,688
We met through a bunch
of mutual friends
673
00:31:38,814 --> 00:31:40,440
who'd been at Oxford with her.
674
00:31:40,524 --> 00:31:42,234
I wrote afterwards,
675
00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:44,277
"She's fullof wicked good fun."
676
00:31:44,361 --> 00:31:45,821
‐ I'd like to know
how many of you
677
00:31:45,862 --> 00:31:48,365
would like to fly on a plane
678
00:31:48,490 --> 00:31:52,828
if only 15% of planes were
talking to air traffic control.
679
00:31:52,953 --> 00:31:54,704
Anyone?
680
00:31:54,788 --> 00:31:58,166
‐ She was highly intelligent,and spending time with her,
681
00:31:58,250 --> 00:32:00,460
you're so completely awareof how well‐connected she is.
682
00:32:00,585 --> 00:32:03,964
‐ She is the youngest daughter
of Robert Maxwell,
683
00:32:04,089 --> 00:32:06,800
who wasa British newspaper tycoon.
684
00:32:06,883 --> 00:32:09,302
Ghislaine was doted onby her father
685
00:32:09,386 --> 00:32:11,721
and he named his yachtLady Ghislaine after her,
686
00:32:11,847 --> 00:32:14,641
but in 1991,
687
00:32:14,683 --> 00:32:17,394
Robert Maxwell, sailing aroundthe Canary Islands,
688
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:19,563
died inmysterious circumstances.
689
00:32:19,688 --> 00:32:21,231
‐ When he died,
690
00:32:21,356 --> 00:32:22,858
we learnedthat he'd been stealing
691
00:32:22,983 --> 00:32:25,694
from the pension funds
of his workers.
692
00:32:25,819 --> 00:32:27,696
‐ Hundredsof working class people
693
00:32:27,821 --> 00:32:29,197
lose their retirement income
694
00:32:29,322 --> 00:32:32,284
because of Maxwell'sfinancial fraud.
695
00:32:32,367 --> 00:32:34,494
‐ Suddenly,
all the money had vanished.
696
00:32:34,536 --> 00:32:36,997
‐ Her family were plaguedby scandal.
697
00:32:37,122 --> 00:32:39,666
They were hated in the UK,
698
00:32:39,791 --> 00:32:42,836
so under this huge cloud,Ghislaine moves to America.
699
00:32:42,961 --> 00:32:46,006
♪ ♪
700
00:32:46,131 --> 00:32:47,924
‐ Lots of people are stilltrying to figure out
701
00:32:48,008 --> 00:32:49,509
how Ghislaine and Jeffrey met.
702
00:32:49,634 --> 00:32:53,263
I wish I knew,but it just seemed like
703
00:32:53,346 --> 00:32:56,099
Jeffrey had very quickly
taken the place of her father.
704
00:32:56,183 --> 00:32:59,478
‐ At the time,Epstein was on the rise.
705
00:32:59,603 --> 00:33:01,813
Ghislaine's kind ofon the way down
706
00:33:01,897 --> 00:33:03,273
and they meet in the middle.
707
00:33:03,356 --> 00:33:05,066
Both of them had something
708
00:33:05,192 --> 00:33:06,693
that the other one
desperately needed.
709
00:33:06,776 --> 00:33:08,111
♪ ♪
710
00:33:08,195 --> 00:33:09,362
‐ He was her boyfriend,
711
00:33:09,488 --> 00:33:12,115
but she was also
his gal Friday.
712
00:33:12,199 --> 00:33:14,534
She leapt to the occasionwhen there was anything
713
00:33:14,659 --> 00:33:17,537
that he neededthat she could provide,
714
00:33:17,621 --> 00:33:21,625
and she hugely expandedJeffrey's social universe.
715
00:33:21,708 --> 00:33:25,462
‐ She opened doors for himto people like the Clintons,
716
00:33:25,545 --> 00:33:26,963
to Prince Andrew.
717
00:33:27,047 --> 00:33:28,465
You know, she introduced himto high society.
718
00:33:28,590 --> 00:33:30,008
He was startingto get the money,
719
00:33:30,133 --> 00:33:30,967
but he didn't havethe finesse,
720
00:33:31,092 --> 00:33:32,135
the class,
721
00:33:32,219 --> 00:33:34,846
and that's what Ghislaine
gave him.
722
00:33:34,930 --> 00:33:36,473
‐ You would agree,
would you not,
723
00:33:36,556 --> 00:33:40,477
that Ghislaine Maxwell
shares your sexual obsession
724
00:33:40,602 --> 00:33:42,187
for underage minor females?
725
00:33:42,312 --> 00:33:44,397
‐ Argumentative.
Speculation.
726
00:33:44,523 --> 00:33:47,275
‐ Ghislaine Maxwellwas intricately
727
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:49,069
involved with Jeffrey Epstein.
728
00:33:49,194 --> 00:33:52,489
The two of them created
this world that allowed
729
00:33:52,614 --> 00:33:56,368
Jeffrey Epstein to abuse
so many young women.
730
00:33:56,451 --> 00:34:00,830
♪ ♪
731
00:34:00,914 --> 00:34:02,832
‐ Mar‐a‐Lago spais Donald Trump's place
732
00:34:02,874 --> 00:34:03,959
in Palm Beach.
733
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,253
It's just gorgeous.
734
00:34:06,336 --> 00:34:08,421
I'd only been at my jobwith Mar‐a‐Lago
735
00:34:08,505 --> 00:34:10,882
for a couple weeks,
but it didn't take me that long
736
00:34:11,007 --> 00:34:12,968
to realize, like,
this is where I wanna be.
737
00:34:13,093 --> 00:34:14,469
This is what I wanna do.
738
00:34:14,553 --> 00:34:16,888
♪ ♪
739
00:34:17,013 --> 00:34:18,807
My duties there werein the spa area,
740
00:34:18,932 --> 00:34:20,642
so I would hand out
fresh towels.
741
00:34:20,725 --> 00:34:24,187
I loved working,
just, with these, you know,
742
00:34:24,271 --> 00:34:26,147
beautiful massage therapists
and they'd come
743
00:34:26,273 --> 00:34:28,567
and talk to me all the time
and I was really interested.
744
00:34:28,650 --> 00:34:29,901
So I went to a library.
745
00:34:30,026 --> 00:34:31,987
I rented a bookon massage therapy.
746
00:34:32,112 --> 00:34:34,155
♪ ♪
747
00:34:34,281 --> 00:34:37,534
Ghislaine Maxwellapproached me at the spa area.
748
00:34:37,659 --> 00:34:40,704
She was, like,this really bright,
749
00:34:40,829 --> 00:34:44,207
Mary Poppins kind of a‐‐a figure and she said,
750
00:34:44,291 --> 00:34:47,252
"Oh, you're readinga book on massage therapy,"
751
00:34:47,335 --> 00:34:49,879
and, you know,we started talking.
752
00:34:49,963 --> 00:34:51,673
And she goes,
"Oh, you know what?
753
00:34:51,756 --> 00:34:52,882
"I know this guy.
754
00:34:53,008 --> 00:34:54,426
"There's an opportunity,
actually.
755
00:34:54,509 --> 00:34:56,886
"If you wanna become
a real massage therapist,
756
00:34:57,012 --> 00:34:59,055
"we can get you trained.
757
00:34:59,180 --> 00:35:01,266
"You can come
for the interview tonight,
758
00:35:01,349 --> 00:35:04,811
"and if he likes you,
then you'll be a real masseuse.
759
00:35:04,894 --> 00:35:06,438
"And you'll get
to see the world.
760
00:35:06,521 --> 00:35:08,898
And you'll get paid
$200 per massage,"
761
00:35:09,024 --> 00:35:11,026
and it‐‐like,
no alarm bells went off
762
00:35:11,151 --> 00:35:13,695
because it wasthis proper English lady
763
00:35:13,820 --> 00:35:15,363
who just looked so nice.
764
00:35:15,447 --> 00:35:17,282
And when I asked her why,and she said,
765
00:35:17,365 --> 00:35:18,867
"Oh, we're like
philanthropists.
766
00:35:18,992 --> 00:35:20,410
"We like to go out
and help people
767
00:35:20,535 --> 00:35:23,204
and make people's
lives better."
768
00:35:23,288 --> 00:35:24,998
‐ Epstein's victimshave talked about
769
00:35:25,081 --> 00:35:27,334
how they weren't surewho this guy was,
770
00:35:27,459 --> 00:35:30,128
but because Ghislaineseemed so proper,
771
00:35:30,253 --> 00:35:32,213
surely it's gotta be legit.
772
00:35:32,339 --> 00:35:34,883
Her posh upbringingand her accent
773
00:35:35,008 --> 00:35:37,052
gave this veneerof respectability.
774
00:35:37,177 --> 00:35:38,345
Coming from a woman,
775
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:41,348
I think that was
incredibly manipulative,
776
00:35:41,473 --> 00:35:43,850
and I think it was
absolutely critical
777
00:35:43,975 --> 00:35:45,352
in Epstein's operation.
778
00:35:51,191 --> 00:35:53,652
‐ Jeffrey wasn'tmy first abuser.
779
00:35:53,735 --> 00:35:55,945
At seven, when I startedgetting abused
780
00:35:56,029 --> 00:35:58,114
by a family member,
781
00:35:58,198 --> 00:36:01,368
my childhoodwas quickly stolen from me.
782
00:36:01,493 --> 00:36:03,370
I just startedkind of imploding.
783
00:36:03,495 --> 00:36:05,664
I would, you know, run away.
784
00:36:05,747 --> 00:36:08,500
I would be on the streetsfor days at a time.
785
00:36:08,583 --> 00:36:12,128
So I was pretty vulnerable bythe time I get to Mar‐a‐Lago.
786
00:36:12,253 --> 00:36:14,506
‐ When you are sexuallyassaulted as a child,
787
00:36:14,589 --> 00:36:17,634
you are not learning
about yourself
788
00:36:17,759 --> 00:36:19,552
and your own agency
789
00:36:19,678 --> 00:36:21,304
and what you dowhen you find yourself
790
00:36:21,429 --> 00:36:23,473
in uncomfortablecircumstances.
791
00:36:23,598 --> 00:36:26,434
And you don't knowthe appropriate roles
792
00:36:26,518 --> 00:36:29,521
between different individuals
because everything is twisted.
793
00:36:29,646 --> 00:36:35,068
Jeffrey Epstein knewhow to manipulate those
794
00:36:35,193 --> 00:36:37,987
who were especiallyvulnerable.
795
00:36:38,071 --> 00:36:40,240
♪ ♪
796
00:36:40,365 --> 00:36:42,242
‐ It was probablya five‐minute drive
797
00:36:42,367 --> 00:36:44,911
from Mar‐a‐Lagoto El Brillo Way.
798
00:36:45,036 --> 00:36:46,705
My dad brought me over.
799
00:36:46,830 --> 00:36:48,581
When he shakes handswith Ghislaine,
800
00:36:48,707 --> 00:36:50,375
she promises thatshe'll take good care of me
801
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:52,794
and she will have someone
drive me home.
802
00:36:52,919 --> 00:36:56,840
♪ ♪
803
00:36:56,965 --> 00:36:59,050
She led me up the staircase
804
00:36:59,134 --> 00:37:04,681
and we made a rightinto Jeffrey's room.
805
00:37:04,806 --> 00:37:07,475
And then you go curve around,see his bathroom...
806
00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:09,602
♪ ♪
807
00:37:09,686 --> 00:37:13,732
And Jeffrey laying nakedon the massage table.
808
00:37:13,857 --> 00:37:16,693
Jeffrey lifts his head up,
looks at Ghislaine,
809
00:37:16,818 --> 00:37:18,153
Ghislaine looks at him,
810
00:37:18,236 --> 00:37:20,447
and I call it
the Cheshire Cat grin
811
00:37:20,530 --> 00:37:22,532
because his face
just went like this,
812
00:37:22,657 --> 00:37:25,243
and it was like
a nod of approval.
813
00:37:25,368 --> 00:37:27,036
Ghislaine got me quicklyinto, like,
814
00:37:27,162 --> 00:37:28,580
"Here's the lotions.
Here's the oils.
815
00:37:28,705 --> 00:37:30,707
"We're gonna each take
half of his body
816
00:37:30,832 --> 00:37:32,751
so you can followmy instructions."
817
00:37:32,876 --> 00:37:35,795
It just looked likea legitimate massage.
818
00:37:35,879 --> 00:37:39,632
Then they also started askingme questions about my life.
819
00:37:39,716 --> 00:37:41,968
I really, reallywanted this job,
820
00:37:42,051 --> 00:37:44,679
so I opened up to them.
821
00:37:44,763 --> 00:37:46,306
I said, "Look,
822
00:37:46,431 --> 00:37:48,349
"this is an opportunityof a lifetime for me.
823
00:37:48,475 --> 00:37:52,395
I've been on the streets.I've been abused."
824
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,105
And, um,
825
00:37:54,189 --> 00:37:56,232
that's the worst thing
that I could've done
826
00:37:56,357 --> 00:37:59,027
'cause I just let them know
that I'm vulnerable,
827
00:37:59,152 --> 00:38:02,655
and, um,
I'm their perfect type.
828
00:38:02,697 --> 00:38:08,286
♪ ♪
829
00:38:22,592 --> 00:38:26,429
[soft dramatic music]
830
00:38:26,513 --> 00:38:28,807
‐ Whenever Ghislainespoke about Jeffrey,
831
00:38:28,848 --> 00:38:31,810
there was a kind of flash
of excitement in her eyes.
832
00:38:31,893 --> 00:38:35,313
She seemed utterlyfascinated and thrilled
833
00:38:35,355 --> 00:38:38,107
with the lifethat he offered her,
834
00:38:38,191 --> 00:38:42,487
and it seemed like she wouldgo to any kind of length
835
00:38:42,570 --> 00:38:45,573
to satisfy his whims.
836
00:38:45,698 --> 00:38:47,283
She'd been dating him
for a little while
837
00:38:47,367 --> 00:38:50,954
when she asked me to write
a song for his birthday.
838
00:38:51,037 --> 00:38:52,413
I barely knew him,
839
00:38:52,539 --> 00:38:54,249
but Ghislainewas very specific
840
00:38:54,332 --> 00:38:56,125
about certain phrasesand information
841
00:38:56,209 --> 00:38:58,044
that had to be in the song.
842
00:38:58,127 --> 00:38:59,963
Jeffrey was turning 40,
843
00:39:00,088 --> 00:39:02,799
so I figured it would be
a big party.
844
00:39:02,924 --> 00:39:06,845
Turned out there were only
six guys wearing black tie.
845
00:39:06,928 --> 00:39:10,807
Les Wexner was the deanof the Harvard Business School
846
00:39:10,932 --> 00:39:14,477
and Itzhak Perlmanthe violinist was there,
847
00:39:14,561 --> 00:39:18,648
smoking cigars anddrinking brandy after dinner.
848
00:39:18,773 --> 00:39:20,358
It felt like kind of
a convention
849
00:39:20,483 --> 00:39:23,152
of masters of the universe.
850
00:39:23,278 --> 00:39:25,363
She asked meto knock on the door
851
00:39:25,446 --> 00:39:27,866
at the appointed hour,walk in,
852
00:39:27,991 --> 00:39:32,328
sit on the floor,and perform the song.
853
00:39:32,412 --> 00:39:35,373
"Poor Jeffrey Epstein is 40.
Oy vey.
854
00:39:35,498 --> 00:39:38,418
"Life must be tough.
His hair is already so gray.
855
00:39:38,501 --> 00:39:40,461
"He sure looks older,
but it's clear from his smile
856
00:39:40,587 --> 00:39:42,881
"the older he gets,
the more juvenile.
857
00:39:43,006 --> 00:39:46,050
"Ghislaine is lavishing him
with her affections.
858
00:39:46,175 --> 00:39:48,636
"She claims he has
24‐hour erections.
859
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:50,847
"Sounds like he's busy.
Now, ain't that berserk?
860
00:39:50,972 --> 00:39:53,474
How does he find the time
to get off to work?"
861
00:39:53,558 --> 00:39:55,351
[clicks tongue]
God, I feel so‐‐
862
00:39:55,476 --> 00:39:57,896
it seems so creepy
reading it now, I'm afraid.
863
00:39:58,021 --> 00:39:59,480
Um...
864
00:39:59,606 --> 00:40:02,066
"He wakes when the cock crows
while everyone slumbers.
865
00:40:02,191 --> 00:40:04,903
"He rivals Einstein
when crunching those numbers.
866
00:40:04,986 --> 00:40:06,279
"Taught math at Dalton.
867
00:40:06,362 --> 00:40:08,448
"The naughty boy blushes
to think of school girls
868
00:40:08,531 --> 00:40:10,909
and all of their crushes."
869
00:40:11,034 --> 00:40:12,869
You know, kind of snickersin the room,
870
00:40:12,994 --> 00:40:14,662
and it seemed like
that was something
871
00:40:14,746 --> 00:40:16,956
that was known about him
at the time,
872
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,709
that he liked younger girls.
873
00:40:19,834 --> 00:40:21,336
♪ ♪
874
00:40:21,461 --> 00:40:23,963
It's that odd thingof something that seems
875
00:40:24,005 --> 00:40:26,633
tongue in cheek, but thatyou have no real sense
876
00:40:26,716 --> 00:40:32,639
of how utterly depraved
his intentions were.
877
00:40:38,770 --> 00:40:41,189
‐ I was told by Jeffreyand Ghislaine
878
00:40:41,314 --> 00:40:44,943
during my very firstso‐called interview with them
879
00:40:45,026 --> 00:40:47,236
that they had homesall over the world.
880
00:40:47,362 --> 00:40:49,364
New Mexico,New York,
881
00:40:49,489 --> 00:40:51,324
they were gettingone in France,
882
00:40:51,366 --> 00:40:52,951
and the Virgin Islands.
883
00:40:53,034 --> 00:40:55,995
So you're instantly awarethat these were
884
00:40:56,037 --> 00:40:58,748
rich and powerfully
persuasive people,
885
00:40:58,873 --> 00:41:01,542
and so,
the fear of that's like,
886
00:41:01,626 --> 00:41:03,378
"What happens if I do say no?"
887
00:41:03,503 --> 00:41:05,672
[dramatic music]
888
00:41:05,797 --> 00:41:08,132
The massage seemed legitimateat first.
889
00:41:08,174 --> 00:41:10,718
Ghislaine grabbed one foot,I grabbed the other,
890
00:41:10,843 --> 00:41:12,971
and she says, "You alwayswanna keep one hand
891
00:41:13,054 --> 00:41:15,765
on the body whenyou're massaging somebody,"
892
00:41:15,848 --> 00:41:19,435
and then he turns over
and the entire thing changed.
893
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:21,145
♪ ♪
894
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:22,855
They said,"Take off your clothes."
895
00:41:22,981 --> 00:41:25,692
I had theselittle girl undies on,
896
00:41:25,817 --> 00:41:27,735
like, little hearts on them,I remember,
897
00:41:27,819 --> 00:41:30,613
and they were laughing at thatbecause they liked that.
898
00:41:30,697 --> 00:41:32,699
The younger you look,the better it is.
899
00:41:32,824 --> 00:41:35,493
So I‐‐I stripped down.
Ghislaine stripped down.
900
00:41:35,576 --> 00:41:37,996
It turned in‐‐
it turned very sexual.
901
00:41:38,121 --> 00:41:43,001
Um, it was abuse right away
from both of them.
902
00:41:43,126 --> 00:41:45,920
♪ ♪
903
00:41:46,004 --> 00:41:49,298
Stuff that I knew had‐‐
that I had already known, um,
904
00:41:49,340 --> 00:41:52,176
because I'd been abused before,
and it felt just like that.
905
00:41:52,301 --> 00:41:54,470
♪ ♪
906
00:41:54,554 --> 00:41:56,723
My new happy brainjust shut off,
907
00:41:56,848 --> 00:42:00,393
and this old survival braincame back in.
908
00:42:00,518 --> 00:42:02,311
It's a completelydifferent person,
909
00:42:02,437 --> 00:42:03,896
the person that takes over.
910
00:42:04,022 --> 00:42:06,315
You know, very scared
of saying the wrong thing,
911
00:42:06,441 --> 00:42:07,650
doing the wrong thing,
912
00:42:07,775 --> 00:42:10,278
and you do
disassociate yourself
913
00:42:10,361 --> 00:42:13,698
from who you know you are,
914
00:42:13,823 --> 00:42:15,950
but who you have to be.
915
00:42:16,034 --> 00:42:18,077
♪ ♪
916
00:42:19,871 --> 00:42:21,581
Afterwards,Ghislaine left the room
917
00:42:21,664 --> 00:42:24,000
and Jeffrey was telling meI did a good job,
918
00:42:24,083 --> 00:42:27,003
and I'm gonna go really far,
and he's gonna get me educated,
919
00:42:27,128 --> 00:42:29,338
and he was, like,
really, really happy.
920
00:42:29,464 --> 00:42:30,965
I mean,the cat that got the milk.
921
00:42:31,049 --> 00:42:32,550
[dramatic music]
922
00:42:32,633 --> 00:42:37,180
I got paid $200,and the butler drove me home.
923
00:42:37,305 --> 00:42:39,515
‐ They acted very normalabout the situation.
924
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,517
They tried to validatewhat had happened.
925
00:42:41,642 --> 00:42:43,436
From the outside perspective,
926
00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:44,812
you understandthe grooming involved
927
00:42:44,854 --> 00:42:46,522
and what transpiredin that room‐‐
928
00:42:46,647 --> 00:42:48,316
paying her heftily
929
00:42:48,399 --> 00:42:49,984
for the workthat had been done,
930
00:42:50,026 --> 00:42:51,652
making it seem like
it was appropriate,
931
00:42:51,778 --> 00:42:53,446
what had transpired,
932
00:42:53,529 --> 00:42:56,491
and then inviting
her back again.
933
00:42:56,574 --> 00:42:58,242
‐ The shame was immediate.
934
00:42:58,326 --> 00:43:00,453
I remember sittingat the bottom of my shower
935
00:43:00,536 --> 00:43:03,081
and crying my eyes out.
936
00:43:03,206 --> 00:43:05,249
I'd been on the streetsand I thought, you know,
937
00:43:05,333 --> 00:43:08,961
"Well, maybe this isthe lesser of two evils."
938
00:43:09,045 --> 00:43:11,255
I had the promiseof an education,
939
00:43:11,339 --> 00:43:14,383
and maybe this is justhow the world works.
940
00:43:14,509 --> 00:43:16,511
If abuse is so prevalentin my life,
941
00:43:16,636 --> 00:43:18,137
maybe that's just what it is.
942
00:43:18,221 --> 00:43:20,389
That's just life.
943
00:43:20,515 --> 00:43:24,268
‐ For individuals who've beensexually abused as a child,
944
00:43:24,352 --> 00:43:28,022
this confirms that
they don't have any meaning
945
00:43:28,106 --> 00:43:30,483
beyond giving pleasure
to somebody else.
946
00:43:30,566 --> 00:43:33,194
Of course,you'd expect them to go back,
947
00:43:33,319 --> 00:43:37,156
especially if there is evena glimmer of hope that
948
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:39,742
maybe something goodwill come out of this,
949
00:43:39,826 --> 00:43:42,328
because it's a reallydevastating feeling
950
00:43:42,411 --> 00:43:45,331
to be nothing.
951
00:43:45,414 --> 00:43:47,083
‐ Within the next few weeks,
952
00:43:47,208 --> 00:43:50,169
Jeffrey and Ghislaine told methat I need to quit my job
953
00:43:50,294 --> 00:43:52,672
with Mar‐a‐Lago becauseI'll be traveling with them
954
00:43:52,797 --> 00:43:54,715
as their traveling masseuse.
955
00:43:54,841 --> 00:43:56,259
You know,you ask yourself, like,
956
00:43:56,342 --> 00:43:59,220
if I could talk to that16‐year‐old girl again,
957
00:43:59,303 --> 00:44:01,305
what would you tell her?
958
00:44:01,389 --> 00:44:03,891
Bloody hell, I'd tell her,
"Run for your life,"
959
00:44:04,016 --> 00:44:06,310
but at 16, you just‐‐
I don't know, yeah, I was‐‐
960
00:44:06,435 --> 00:44:08,104
I was very intimidated
by these people.
961
00:44:08,187 --> 00:44:10,022
♪ ♪
962
00:44:10,148 --> 00:44:12,066
‐ What I call itis invisible chains.
963
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:14,152
I mean, no,these girls were not tied up,
964
00:44:14,235 --> 00:44:15,987
and people will say,"Well, they kept coming back.
965
00:44:16,112 --> 00:44:17,572
Why did they keepcoming back?"
966
00:44:17,697 --> 00:44:20,366
These were not people
to be crossed.
967
00:44:20,491 --> 00:44:22,285
These were verysignificant people
968
00:44:22,368 --> 00:44:24,203
with the ability,the power, the wealth
969
00:44:24,328 --> 00:44:26,956
to destroy a lifeif they wanted to.
970
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:30,710
♪ ♪
971
00:44:34,463 --> 00:44:38,009
[tense music]
972
00:44:47,310 --> 00:44:50,897
‐ The first official complaint
was in 2005.
973
00:44:55,985 --> 00:44:57,945
‐ Once the police starteduncovering the number
974
00:44:58,029 --> 00:45:00,489
of young girls that were
involved in this network,
975
00:45:00,615 --> 00:45:02,867
the investigation snowballed.
976
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:04,493
‐ They put himunder surveillance,
977
00:45:04,577 --> 00:45:07,747
watching his house,seeing girls going in and out.
978
00:45:07,872 --> 00:45:09,874
‐ They executea search warrant on the home,
979
00:45:09,999 --> 00:45:11,584
even did a trash pullto investigate
980
00:45:11,667 --> 00:45:13,294
what was being thrown out.
981
00:45:13,419 --> 00:45:15,880
‐ The shocking thingwas the amount of evidence‐‐
982
00:45:16,005 --> 00:45:20,259
things like Amazon receiptsfor books about sex slavery,
983
00:45:20,343 --> 00:45:22,011
flight logs,
984
00:45:22,136 --> 00:45:24,305
message pads that hadmessage after message.
985
00:45:24,388 --> 00:45:25,848
A little girl calling in.
986
00:45:25,932 --> 00:45:28,142
"I can bring this friendtonight for a massage."
987
00:45:28,184 --> 00:45:30,603
"I can't go because my grandpa
has a birthday."
988
00:45:30,686 --> 00:45:32,021
Things that shock
the conscience.
989
00:45:32,146 --> 00:45:34,565
‐ What you hadin this investigation
990
00:45:34,690 --> 00:45:37,693
was a rock solidprosecutable case
991
00:45:37,818 --> 00:45:41,197
againsta serial sexual predator.
992
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,076
♪ ♪
993
00:45:47,036 --> 00:45:48,746
‐ I come home,it's super late at night,
994
00:45:48,871 --> 00:45:51,123
and I turn on the TV,and I hear,
995
00:45:51,207 --> 00:45:53,960
"Local Palm Beach billionairearrested."
996
00:45:54,043 --> 00:45:56,379
I don't, you know,
think anything of it.
997
00:45:56,504 --> 00:45:59,757
Well, then, that's JeffreyEpstein's face on the TV.
998
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,385
So I instantly just callJeffrey Epstein's assistant,
999
00:46:02,510 --> 00:46:03,803
and she tells me,
1000
00:46:03,886 --> 00:46:05,263
"Everything's okay.Don't worry.
1001
00:46:05,346 --> 00:46:06,722
"Jeffrey only spent, like,
1002
00:46:06,847 --> 00:46:09,016
"a couple hours in jailand he's out.
1003
00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:11,477
"We have you an attorney,
and basically,
1004
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,480
if you don't say anything,
you'll be taken care of."
1005
00:46:14,605 --> 00:46:15,982
‐ There are numerous victims,
1006
00:46:16,107 --> 00:46:18,401
they've gotcompelling evidence,
1007
00:46:18,526 --> 00:46:20,820
but Epstein lawyers up.
1008
00:46:20,903 --> 00:46:22,530
He gets a dream team
of lawyers.
1009
00:46:22,655 --> 00:46:24,156
His first call was
to Alan Dershowitz,
1010
00:46:24,282 --> 00:46:26,450
tenacious attorneywho fights cases
1011
00:46:26,534 --> 00:46:27,994
in the media all the time.
1012
00:46:28,077 --> 00:46:29,996
‐ The job ofa criminal defense lawyer
1013
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:32,498
is always to get
the best result
1014
00:46:32,581 --> 00:46:35,751
you can get ethically
and legally.
1015
00:46:35,835 --> 00:46:37,753
‐ And what they doaccording to lawsuits
1016
00:46:37,837 --> 00:46:40,006
filed by the victimsand court papers
1017
00:46:40,089 --> 00:46:42,008
is essentially begin
a campaign of harassment
1018
00:46:42,133 --> 00:46:44,135
and intimidation
of the victims.
1019
00:46:44,218 --> 00:46:45,970
‐ I mean, you don'tput this attorney
1020
00:46:46,053 --> 00:46:48,014
at a local sports bar.
1021
00:46:48,139 --> 00:46:51,309
The things he's saying are,like, belittling towards me,
1022
00:46:51,392 --> 00:46:54,729
making it sound likeI'm this prostitute.
1023
00:46:54,854 --> 00:46:57,064
I'm just 18 years oldat this point.
1024
00:46:57,189 --> 00:46:58,441
I remember telling him, "Oh,
I have to use the bathroom,"
1025
00:46:58,524 --> 00:46:59,984
and I just left.
1026
00:47:00,067 --> 00:47:02,153
‐ They certainly hadprivate investigators
1027
00:47:02,236 --> 00:47:04,822
following the young girlsand pulling information.
1028
00:47:04,864 --> 00:47:06,324
There's a letterfrom Alan Dershowitz
1029
00:47:06,407 --> 00:47:07,658
to the prosecutors about
1030
00:47:07,783 --> 00:47:09,577
the little girls'Myspace pages,
1031
00:47:09,702 --> 00:47:10,995
saying he should pay attention
1032
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,788
'cause this person's
on drugs and alcohol.
1033
00:47:12,872 --> 00:47:14,915
‐ It was really a takedownof the victims.
1034
00:47:15,041 --> 00:47:17,460
How do we make themseem not credible?
1035
00:47:17,585 --> 00:47:19,587
‐ It's completely appropriate
1036
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:21,714
to investigatecomplaining witnesses.
1037
00:47:21,797 --> 00:47:23,674
The complaining witnesses
are fair game.
1038
00:47:23,758 --> 00:47:25,217
♪ ♪
1039
00:47:25,301 --> 00:47:27,553
‐ When I found outthat they were calling
1040
00:47:27,678 --> 00:47:29,221
the young girls prostitutes,
1041
00:47:29,347 --> 00:47:31,724
I was worried that otherpeople were gonna think that.
1042
00:47:31,849 --> 00:47:33,309
Were they gonna
consider me a victim,
1043
00:47:33,392 --> 00:47:35,269
or were they gonna
consider me a prostitute?
1044
00:47:35,353 --> 00:47:37,688
Well, it's kind of
a hard thing to swallow.
1045
00:47:37,813 --> 00:47:39,023
‐ What went wrongwith this case
1046
00:47:39,148 --> 00:47:40,691
is that Barry Krischer,
1047
00:47:40,816 --> 00:47:42,985
the state attorneyfor Palm Beach County,
1048
00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:44,987
essentially just didn't
believe the victims.
1049
00:47:45,112 --> 00:47:47,156
Barry Krischer seemsto have said to himself,
1050
00:47:47,198 --> 00:47:50,493
"I believe the rich guy wholives in Palm Beach instead."
1051
00:47:50,576 --> 00:47:53,162
‐ The Palm Beach police chiefprotested vigorously
1052
00:47:53,287 --> 00:47:54,705
whenthe State Attorney's office‐‐
1053
00:47:54,830 --> 00:47:56,123
citing racy,suggestive web sites
1054
00:47:56,207 --> 00:47:57,750
created by some of the girls‐‐
1055
00:47:57,875 --> 00:47:59,794
charged Epsteinwith a misdemeanor,
1056
00:47:59,919 --> 00:48:01,796
a solicitationof prostitution.
1057
00:48:01,921 --> 00:48:03,172
The case, however,did not go away.
1058
00:48:03,297 --> 00:48:05,091
It was referred to the FBI.
1059
00:48:05,174 --> 00:48:06,675
‐ So it, then, at that point,
1060
00:48:06,801 --> 00:48:08,719
becomes
a federal investigation.
1061
00:48:08,844 --> 00:48:11,597
‐ I was so confusedon what was happening.
1062
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,432
The feds are comingto my house.
1063
00:48:13,516 --> 00:48:16,268
They're knocking on my door.They're showing up at my job.
1064
00:48:16,352 --> 00:48:18,104
They're, like,
being super aggressive.
1065
00:48:18,187 --> 00:48:19,814
I don't really know
what to think
1066
00:48:19,855 --> 00:48:21,315
'cause by this time, I'm 18.
1067
00:48:21,399 --> 00:48:23,067
I'm like, "Am I gonna
go to prison for this?"
1068
00:48:23,192 --> 00:48:24,819
I was just trying
to duck and dodge them.
1069
00:48:24,902 --> 00:48:26,237
I don't even wanna
talk to them.
1070
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:27,822
♪ ♪
1071
00:48:27,947 --> 00:48:30,324
So they end up dropping, like,
1072
00:48:30,408 --> 00:48:32,952
papers offon my front doorstep,
1073
00:48:33,035 --> 00:48:35,996
and it turns outit's all the victims' reports
1074
00:48:36,122 --> 00:48:38,958
of the first time they wentto Jeffrey's house,
1075
00:48:39,041 --> 00:48:41,877
and what happenedand how they felt.
1076
00:48:42,002 --> 00:48:44,922
It immediately brings me back
to the first time
1077
00:48:45,005 --> 00:48:46,674
I went to Jeffrey's,
and it was like...
1078
00:48:46,799 --> 00:48:48,467
[snaps]
A flashback.
1079
00:48:48,592 --> 00:48:51,470
If I could describe how I feltand everything that happened
1080
00:48:51,554 --> 00:48:52,972
the first time I went,
1081
00:48:53,097 --> 00:48:54,807
it was this paperthat I didn't write,
1082
00:48:54,890 --> 00:48:56,934
somebody else did.
1083
00:48:57,017 --> 00:48:58,185
And then I start
looking through the box
1084
00:48:58,269 --> 00:48:59,979
and I see all these names
of, like,
1085
00:49:00,062 --> 00:49:03,649
girls that I personally
brought to him,
1086
00:49:03,732 --> 00:49:05,484
and it was just devastating.
1087
00:49:05,609 --> 00:49:07,486
For two days, I think I just
stayed in my house
1088
00:49:07,570 --> 00:49:09,738
and cried about it.
1089
00:49:09,822 --> 00:49:14,285
For anybody that I recruited,like, I'm so sorry.
1090
00:49:14,368 --> 00:49:16,078
[sniffles]
1091
00:49:16,162 --> 00:49:19,373
The guilt and shamein how I feel about
1092
00:49:19,457 --> 00:49:22,418
basically I lied to themand lured them in
1093
00:49:22,501 --> 00:49:24,462
to go see this guy‐‐
1094
00:49:24,587 --> 00:49:26,672
I don't know if it's something
that I'll ever,
1095
00:49:26,755 --> 00:49:28,507
really fully get over.
1096
00:49:28,632 --> 00:49:31,302
♪ ♪
1097
00:49:33,888 --> 00:49:36,807
‐ And at this pointin summer 2007,
1098
00:49:36,891 --> 00:49:39,560
Epstein's lawyers realizethis is bad news
1099
00:49:39,685 --> 00:49:42,062
because once you startgetting the FBI involved,
1100
00:49:42,188 --> 00:49:43,564
the potential penaltiesfor that client
1101
00:49:43,689 --> 00:49:44,982
are much more serious.
1102
00:49:45,065 --> 00:49:47,818
They start negotiating
a plea deal in secret.
1103
00:49:47,943 --> 00:49:49,695
♪ ♪
1104
00:49:49,820 --> 00:49:52,239
‐ So I comply with the feds,
1105
00:49:52,323 --> 00:49:54,074
but when I calledand I asked,
1106
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:55,826
"What's happeningwith this case?"
1107
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:57,286
Nobody can give me an answer.
1108
00:49:57,369 --> 00:49:58,787
They're transferring me,
transferring me,
1109
00:49:58,871 --> 00:50:00,247
hanging up on me.
1110
00:50:00,372 --> 00:50:02,291
Nobody ever calls me back.
1111
00:50:02,374 --> 00:50:05,294
Shortly after,I find Brad Edwards.
1112
00:50:05,377 --> 00:50:08,380
‐ Courtney walked inand she was very direct
1113
00:50:08,506 --> 00:50:10,466
and said, you know,
"I'm Courtney Wild.
1114
00:50:10,591 --> 00:50:12,343
"I've been cooperating
1115
00:50:12,426 --> 00:50:14,512
"in a major federal
investigation
1116
00:50:14,595 --> 00:50:17,723
"against Jeffrey Epstein,
but I'm calling now
1117
00:50:17,848 --> 00:50:19,099
"and nobody's answering
my questions.
1118
00:50:19,183 --> 00:50:20,976
So can you help?"
1119
00:50:21,018 --> 00:50:23,521
So I really thought I'm gonnacall the US Attorney's office,
1120
00:50:23,604 --> 00:50:26,190
they're gonna tell me, "Look,it's a massive investigation.
1121
00:50:26,315 --> 00:50:28,234
He's probably goingto plead to a life sentence,"
1122
00:50:28,359 --> 00:50:30,986
and instead,the lead prosecutor
1123
00:50:31,111 --> 00:50:33,906
gave me the impression
something weird was happening.
1124
00:50:33,989 --> 00:50:35,616
♪ ♪
1125
00:50:35,699 --> 00:50:38,786
‐ There was a very significantcover‐up going on,
1126
00:50:38,869 --> 00:50:40,496
unbeknownst to the victims.
1127
00:50:40,579 --> 00:50:43,082
‐ And that would turn outto be one of the most
1128
00:50:43,207 --> 00:50:44,833
outrageous aspects of the case.
1129
00:50:44,959 --> 00:50:46,961
‐ It made absolutely no sense.
1130
00:50:47,086 --> 00:50:48,963
When things like thatdon't make sense,
1131
00:50:49,088 --> 00:50:51,507
the first thing you look at
is money,
1132
00:50:51,632 --> 00:50:53,551
power, and influence.
1133
00:50:53,634 --> 00:50:57,304
‐ The reality wasthis was a well‐oiled
1134
00:50:57,388 --> 00:50:59,348
sex trafficking operation,
1135
00:50:59,473 --> 00:51:02,977
which had been going onacross much of America,
1136
00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:04,311
across different countriesfor years,
1137
00:51:04,436 --> 00:51:07,398
and he'd basically
gotten away with it.
1138
00:51:07,481 --> 00:51:11,026
♪ ♪
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