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We've all heard the stories.
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The spoilt couple,
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the tantrums,
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the split.
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But there are two sides
to every story.
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It's an opportunity for us
to understand
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why they did step down
as senior royals
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and for us to understand what it is
that they're searching for in life.
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When you have that level
of independence, my goodness,
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you can do anything.
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Tonight, we hear Meghan
and Harry's side.
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This book has potential
to have huge ramifications
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for their relationship
with the other royals.
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What caused the rifts?
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We're brothers,
we'll always be brothers.
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We're certainly on different paths
at the moment.
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And who is to blame?
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They felt it was a slight.
They felt put out.
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No-one in the royal family likes
being taken by surprise.
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Was Harry really as unhappy
as is claimed?
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Were Meghan and Kate really at war?
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Or did the couple simply
demand too much?
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Kate and Meghan are not obligated
to be best friends.
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Meghan Markle made serious judgment
calls and made considerable errors.
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Can the couple ever repair relations
with the rest of the royals?
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I don't see them going back
into the constraining embrace
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of the royal family.
I think that they will fly free.
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And how kind will history be
to Meghan and Harry?
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Yes, they were breaking
free of the royal family.
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Yes, they were able to embark
on a new chapter of their lives,
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but it came at a huge cost.
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Meghan and Harry.
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Everything seemed like a fairy tale
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when the royal family gained
a new member.
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I think we have the potential
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to be this amazing, you know,
celebrity couple.
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When they first got together,
it felt like a real win.
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You know, I, myself, was like,
this is amazing.
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I'm loving seeing this. The
Wedding's is going to be beautiful.
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And that's when the chip,
chip, chip away started.
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Since then, it's been a turbulent
two years
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for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex
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and, for many, they were to blame
for everything that has gone wrong
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in the House of Windsor.
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But is that fair?
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I can just imagine what kind
of struggle it was for them to see
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the constant lies, the constant made
up fabrications to sell papers,
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and that they were the human cost.
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Now months after Megxit,
we are witnessing the fightback.
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An explosive new book tells
their side of the story,
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and it's causing breathless
news coverage on both sides
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of the Atlantic.
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This morning, new revelations
about Harry and Meghan's decision
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to step back as senior members
of the royal family.
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There could be some pretty stressful
conversations for the royal family
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following claims made by
a new biography
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of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle.
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Finding Freedom charts
the relationship of Harry and Meghan
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from their first meeting
to stepping back as senior royals.
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Everyone wants to know if this book
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is Harry and Meghan setting
the record straight.
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They and the authors say
they weren't involved,
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but that hasn't stopped speculation.
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I think it's hard to believe
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that they didn't have more than
an interest in it, certainly.
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There's certainly lines
within the book, even quotes
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that have come potentially
from Harry and Meghan
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and I think that a lot of people
will be thinking
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that they had more of a hand in it
than they have been letting on.
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A royal will always deny
any involvement,
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because that's the convention.
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The convention is that
you never, ever openly say
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that you have helped.
But I think with Fighting Freedom
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when we when we read it, you can
hear Harry and Meghan's voice.
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Finding Freedom is written
by Carolyn Durand and Omid Scobie,
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two seasoned royaljournalists.
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Another author who has first-hand
experience when it comes
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to setting the royal record straight
is Andrew Morton.
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His book, Diana: Her True Story
caused a sensation in 1992.
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He believes the objective
of Finding Freedom
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is to set out Meghan's side
of the story.
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This is basically trying to explain
how Meghan
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approached the royal family and how
she was dismayed
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by the easy criticism
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of everything that she tried to do.
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She's been frustrated by the fact
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that she's not been able
to give her side of the story,
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that all kinds of stories have come
out about her
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and she's not been able
to answer back
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and it's something which she's found
immensely frustrating.
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It's an opportunity for them both,
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and in particular, Meghan, for us
to understand why they did step down
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as senior royals,
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why they've moved all the way
across the pond,
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and for us to understand what it is
that they're searching for in life.
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At the heart of the book is Harry
and Meghan's decision
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to step down as senior royals.
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There are many reasons given,
but crucially, we are told
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they were fed up being controlled
by the royal institution.
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When they were told
that they had to be brought
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within the confines
of the Buckingham Palace machine,
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I think that's when they realised
that their wings were being clipped
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and they weren't
going to actually realise
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the stardom that they had set
themselves up to be.
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The book claims...
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I think they were particularly
worried about William and Kate
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that they might become more popular
than them
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and I think they just couldn't
stand the idea of that.
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They couldn't stand the idea
of this young, modern couple,
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half of which is African-American,
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potentially being more popular
than William and Kate,
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who were their golden couple.
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It always reminds me of a top
football manager saying
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that no-one is bigger than the club.
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And I think that analogy
is very, very true here,
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that they weren't bigger
than the institution and certainly
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the men in grey suits that they
believe were stalking the corridors,
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trying to clip their wings
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might have been an invention
in their own heads
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rather than actually
what was going on.
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Those men in grey suits,
as Princess Diana used to call them,
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were allegedly another element
pushing Meghan and Harry away.
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In the book, friends of the couple
call them vipers,
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and it's claimed some of them simply
didn't like Meghan
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and would stop at nothing
to make her life difficult.
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One of the suggestions in the book
is that the courtiers or the vipers
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as Harry and Meghan apparently
referred to them
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were out to get them, that they
didn't like Meghan from the outset.
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It may very well be the case that
there was a courtier, maybe two,
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who had it in for Meghan,
who felt that she was too different,
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too confident, too ambitious,
too different from anyone
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who had married into the royal
family before.
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Meghan's differences led friends to
call her Duchess Different,
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a play on the often repeated claims
she was known as Duchess Difficult
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inside palace walls.
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I think calling Meghan
Duchess Different is...
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It is very telling.
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And it shows the gap between
the old ways and the new ways.
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We can appreciate the value
that both represent
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and celebrate the difference
rather than try to push it down
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or make it look like
it's something bad.
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As Meghan and Harry's relationship
with each other blossomed,
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their relationship with the palace
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and the rest of the royal family
seems to have soured.
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The new book says...
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And the pair had to wait
to announce projects
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if other, more senior royals,
had announcements of their own.
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I think she found it very difficult
because actually what she thought
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she was getting was unrivalled power
and she'd be able to help
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and effect this change
and be this change maker,
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which is what she wanted to be.
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And actually, she found she was
living in a gilded cage.
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By Christmas of 2019, Meghan
and Harry had skipped Sandringham
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to take an extended break in Canada.
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They decided something
had to change.
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And was that decision reinforced
when they saw
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the Queen's Christmas message?
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Well, the lack of photograph of them
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appearing for the Queen's
Christmas speech
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obviously had an effect on them
and the book will tell you
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in detail about how this made
them feel.
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They felt it was a slight,
they felt put out.
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What I think was trying
to be demonstrated
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during that Christmas message
was the future of the monarchy,
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the future heirs
and the future sovereigns.
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Harry and Harry's son are not there.
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They don't have that place
on the table.
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From the $18 million estate they
were staying at on Vancouver Island,
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The Duke and Duchess of Sussex
set Megxit in motion.
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E-mails were apparently sent
to the Queen and Prince Charles,
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but the book claims Harry thought
he was being blocked from a meeting
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with the monarch, which led
to an extraordinary plan.
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One of the most fascinating
and new revelations in the book
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was that when they landed in the UK
from their sabbatical in Canada,
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they considered detouring straight
to Sandringham to try
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and get a meeting with the Queen.
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If they had done that,
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I think the Queen would have been
point shocked and surprised
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and because, frankly,
that's not the way things are done
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and I think that was...
That's a lot of the problem here.
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Harry and Meghan didn't want to keep
doing the way things are done
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and the monarchy wasn't going
to change things just for them.
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The monarchy's a supertanker.
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It just keeps on going,
ploughing its own furrow.
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Harry and Meghan wanted to become
financially independent,
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split their time between the UK
and North America,
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but, crucially, still carry out
duties for the Queen.
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Eventually, the Queen agreed
to issue a joint statement
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about her grandson's plans.
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On the 7th of January, the Duke and
Duchess attended an event
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at the Canadian High Commission.
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The book reveals they
were feeling nervous.
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They'd seen the planned statement
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and thought it showed
a lack of warmth.
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It's meant a lot to us
and it's just important for us
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to start the year here
and say thank you.
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More concerning to them than that,
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reporters got wind of the plan
to stay in Canada.
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A day later, the Sussexes made their
shock lnstagram announcement,
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a move that's been endlessly
criticised,
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but it seems in their minds
they felt they simply had no choice.
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It was very sad, really,
that a couple who offered so much
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to the monarchy and to the nation
had decided to go their own way.
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As well as their announcement,
Meghan and Harry
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simultaneously launched
their Sussex Royal website.
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It's since been claimed this
and making an announcement
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without discussing it first
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left the Queen and the Duke
of Edinburgh devastated.
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Crisis talks were needed
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and on the 13th of January, Harry
met the Queen, Charles and William
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at the famous Sandringham summit.
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Yes, they were breaking free
of the royal family.
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Yes, they were able to embark
on a new chapter of their lives,
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but it came at a huge cost.
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Especially for Harry.
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He had to give up
his military roles.
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Finding Freedom gives an insight
into Meghan's feelings.
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Harry has had to give up everything.
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He's giving up his family, his home,
his country,
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everything he's ever known,
and those military titles,
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which... And Meghan's right,
they meant so much to him.
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And what about what Meghan has had
to give up?
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Finding Freedom claims Meghan
told a friend...
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Even so, it's said courtiers and
some family blame Meghan for Megxit.
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This girl who fell in love
with a boy
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who happened to be part
of the royal family
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And she gave up her whole career
to move over here to, of course,
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follow tradition and ritual
marrying into the royal family
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and she literally couldn't win.
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And she basically gave up a part
of herself
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because that is what would have been
expected of Meghan,
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expected of Kate,
you know, the Duchess of Cambridge,
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and they all did that too
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out of love for their spouses and
out of respect for the institution.
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These new revelations tell a story
ofjust how unhappy Harry and Meghan
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were with their royal life and how
they felt forced into leaving,
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but the new book also gives us a
new insight
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into Harry and William's
relationship.
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I would imagine if there was any
conversation that William probably
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could take back,
it would be that one.
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To understand why the relationship
between Harry
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and his family broke down, you have
to go back to the summer of 2016.
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Rumours about Harry and Meghan's
relationship were circulating,
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and Meghan soon had the world's
press following her every move.
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By November, Harry had had enough
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and issued an extraordinary
statement
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asking the press
to leave his girlfriend alone.
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The statement that Prince Harry
released through his private office
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in November came just after
a deluge of media reports
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about their relationship.
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I mean, the statement was
a bombshell,
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perhaps the first of what we were to
expect from the Sussexes
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in that it was certainly the most
personal statement I've ever read
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from a senior member of
the royal family.
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This was also confirmation
that Meghan was his girlfriend.
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Don't forget, up until that point,
it was only speculation.
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It's now been claimed the statement
caused tension in the family,
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not because of its content,
but because of its timing.
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It immediately took attention away
from Charles and Camilla.
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They were on a diplomatic
tour of the Middle East.
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The royal family has strict
protocols in place
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to ensure they don't overshadow
each other's work,
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something Harry appeared to overlook
when he attempted to protect Meghan.
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I think one of the themes that is
explored in Finding Freedom
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is the jealousies of some members
of the royal household
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and some courtiers of the level of
attention
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that the Sussexes were getting.
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You know, there was a point when
Charles and Camilla
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weren't even getting a look in.
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You know, all the tabloids wanted
to run with stories
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about Meghan and Harry,
and that became a problem.
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And I think there's definitely some
truth in the fact that Charles
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at times has felt a bit jealous
maybe of his son's public profile,
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because for a long time, William
and Harry were getting really,
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really positive publicity.
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And Charles, of course,
had had dreadful publicity.
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Harry's statement caused shock
waves in the palace
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and allegedly upset
the Prince of Wales.
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But looking back, this wasn't
the first time Harry had come out
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in vocal defence of his girlfriends.
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In 2005, whilst dating Chelsy Davy,
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he gave a frank interview
to mark his 21st birthday.
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I suppose that is the media
in general.
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There's truth and there's lies,
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and unfortunately I can't get
the truth across
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because I don't have my own
column in the paper,
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which I'm thinking about getting.
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It does irritate me because
obviously I get to see how upset
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she gets and I know the real her.
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I don't think Harry has changed
an awful lot over the years.
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He's become far more considered
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and far more aware of what's
going on in the world.
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At the same time, this hostility
to the mass media,
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and to photographers and paparazzi
in particular,
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hasn't change one jot.
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So he was hostile to them before
and is hostile to them now,
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to the point where he has in his own
mind more control over his life.
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Less than a year after
the statement,
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there was another incident,
this time between Harry and William.
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Finding Freedom details
a conversation that supposedly
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took place just before Harry
proposed to Meghan.
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William is quoted as saying...
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A source claims William
didn't want his brother
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to be "blindsided by lust."
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The book goes on to say...
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I think there was a great
misunderstanding in that moment.
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That was, I believe, intended
from a genuinely good place,
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a place of brotherly love and just
wanting Harry to be absolutely sure,
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given the speed that this
relationship had moved at,
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that he wasn't rushing into things.
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Harry, who was clearly sensitive,
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and I think aware of some
of the sniping
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in the corridors of power
about Meghan
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just took this deeply personal
and the wrong way.
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And I would imagine if there is any
conversation that William probably
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could take back, it
would be that one.
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I think William was
just trying to say...
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Trying to look out for
his younger brother.
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Now, maybe it goes to the heart
of their relationship
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and Harry was frankly fed up
with playing third wheel
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effectively to William,
Kate and Harry.
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I mean, sometimes when the three of
them did jobs together,
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I'd go would watch them and I did
feel a bit sorry for Harry.
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You know, Kate and William
were always first because, you know,
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in the line of succession.
William's always first.
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And Harry was always slightly
trailing behind.
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So did William ever really
accept Meghan?
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Rumours of a rift refused to go
away.
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During Christmas of 2018,
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William appeared to ignore Meghan
outside church.
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The following Easter, another
incident
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on the Queen's 93rd birthday.
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The footage appeared to show
the brothers avoiding each other.
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Is there petty jealousy?
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Yes, because I think there is
between any family.
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Show me any family in the world
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where there's not jockeying
for position
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or one sibling doesn't think that
sibling shouldn't have that or etc.
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That is family.
That is the human condition.
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I do think this is
War of the Wales' party,
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but this is also
the British royal family.
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This is what they do.
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They argue, they fall out
and then we make a drama out of it.
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But, for some, Harry and William's
fallout is far more serious.
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This was a devastating blow
to the British people,
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and indeed members
of the Commonwealth,
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because they have looked to William
and Harry as being the successes.
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So to see a divide between those
really did tear at the very fabric
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of the British public's relationship
with the royal family.
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From an early age,
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there was clearly a friendly rivalry
between the brothers.
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Would you live together again?
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A nice experience,
being in the same...?
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Harry told us the other week
that he did all the washing up.
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Oh, the lies!
The lies.
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I think the difference
between William and Harry
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has a lot to do
with succession in the royal family.
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William knows that, one day,
he will become king.
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Harry knew that
the reality of that was...
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...very, very unlikely that
he would ever sit on the throne.
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So, in many ways, he lived a life
free of those shackles.
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He was the rogue
and renegade prince.
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And there was nothing wrong
with that in Harry's eyes.
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And, seemingly,
there was nothing wrong with that
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in the House of Windsor's eyes,
either,
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because it made him more relatable
and it also modernised the monarchy.
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Tension between the brothers
was confirmed by Harry himself
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during a bombshell interview
with Tom Bradby.
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There's been a lot of talk
in the press
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about rifts with your brother.
How much of that is true?
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Look, we're-we're brothers.
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We'll always be brothers.
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We're certainly on different paths
at the moment.
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But I will always be there for him.
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And, as I know,
he'll always be there for me.
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We don't see each other
as much as we used to.
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But, you know, just...
As I said, as brothers, you know,
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you have good days,
you have bad days.
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Not only is it alleged that William
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wasn't as accepting of Meghan
as Harry would have liked,
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it's also claimed she wasn't warmly
welcomed within the palace.
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It is alleged that a senior member
of the royal family
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referred to Meghan
as "Harry's showgirl".
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We don't know which senior member
of the royal family this is.
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According to another source,
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a courtier said that
"she came with a lot of baggage".
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And to a degree, you know,
Meghan did come with baggage.
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She wasn't the virgin bride
marrying into the royal family.
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I think it was celebrated
that she was from a dual heritage -
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she had a black mother,
a white father.
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There was a great excitement
about the fact
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that she was akin
to a Hollywood movie star -
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not A-list,
but still famous in her own right.
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Meghan was a senior royal for,
you know, an incredibly short time.
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And I think, if we look back
at that short time,
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she was almost immediately hounded
by the British tabloid press.
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And there wasn't a...
There really wasn't...
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It's very hard to find
a really kind article about Meghan.
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That was rather ruthless,
to be honest.
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Now, with thousands of miles
separating Meghan from the palace,
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and Harry from his brother,
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it remains to be seen if
Harry and William's relationship
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can ever be the same again.
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00:26:24,201 --> 00:26:26,456
The irony about this book,
in many ways,
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is that the brothers
were just getting to a stage
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in their relationship
where they were on a more even keel.
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I was told that communication
had resumed between the brothers.
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We don't know
whether they've spoken,
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in light of the excerpts
from this book.
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But one can only imagine
that this has done nothing
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to improve relations
that were strained in the beginning
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and, at this stage,
must seem pretty beyond repair.
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Finding Freedom not only
claims to know what happened
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behind the scenes
with Harry and William,
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but sheds a light
on the rumours of duchesses at war.
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I think there was a lot
of excitement.
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That Kate and Meghan
would have come best buddies.
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However, when you look at it,
on the face of it,
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they were very, very different women
from very different backgrounds.
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They were already going
to have very different roles
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within the institution.
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And I think the pictures of them
laughing and joking at Wimbledon
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were probably the best
it was ever going to get.
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Finding Freedom is said to be Harry
and Meghan's side of the story.
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00:27:36,904 --> 00:27:40,720
It claims to provide a new
perspective to all the stories,
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rumours and gossip
that we think we know.
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00:27:45,055 --> 00:27:47,390
In particular, a focus on negativity
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surrounding Meghan's relationship
with Kate,
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not long after she became
the Duchess of Sussex.
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After the royal wedding, you know,
once that sort of crest of the wave
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of excitement and euphoria
had subsided,
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00:28:00,974 --> 00:28:03,310
there was a slow drip of reports
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00:28:03,335 --> 00:28:06,360
that began to show Meghan
in a different light.
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00:28:08,904 --> 00:28:13,420
After her wedding, Meghan was faced
with a number of negative headlines.
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One in particular seems
to have angered the Sussexes.
436
00:28:18,465 --> 00:28:21,440
It was reported that Meghan
had made Kate cry
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during a bridesmaid fitting.
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00:28:23,745 --> 00:28:26,030
Finding Freedom
details the incident.
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00:28:42,055 --> 00:28:46,130
I also think that proves that,
yeah, that story was put out
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00:28:46,155 --> 00:28:50,079
by anti-Meghan people, by people
who wanted to vilify Meghan
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00:28:50,104 --> 00:28:52,079
and it actually unpicks that.
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00:28:52,104 --> 00:28:56,360
And it also proves that we know that
there's people actively out there,
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working to make Meghan look bad.
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00:28:58,825 --> 00:29:00,999
There are always two sides
to every story.
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00:29:01,024 --> 00:29:04,170
But, you know, Kate either cried
at that dress fitting or she didn't.
446
00:29:04,195 --> 00:29:06,030
And there are only
a couple of people
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who know if that actually happened.
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00:29:08,135 --> 00:29:10,390
It's interesting that
that is one of the stories
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00:29:10,415 --> 00:29:12,190
that is contested
in Finding Freedom.
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What Finding Freedom doesn't do
is actually explain what did happen.
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Whatever the truth,
Meghan and Kate's relationship
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00:29:20,024 --> 00:29:23,160
soon became a favourite topic
for the tabloids.
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I think there was a lot
of excitement
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that's Kate and Meghan
would have become best buddies.
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00:29:54,615 --> 00:29:57,110
However, when you look at it,
on the face of it,
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they were very, very different women
from very different backgrounds.
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00:30:00,385 --> 00:30:02,829
They were already going to have
very different roles
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00:30:02,854 --> 00:30:04,160
within the institution.
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00:30:04,185 --> 00:30:07,310
And I think the pictures of them
laughing and joking at Wimbledon
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were probably the best
it was ever going to get.
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00:30:13,854 --> 00:30:17,079
Despite the press rumours
the duchesses were at war,
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Finding Freedom claims
the relationship
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00:30:19,615 --> 00:30:23,949
between the sisters-in-law
was less tense than reported.
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00:30:23,974 --> 00:30:27,079
It does, however, reveal
they struggled to move past
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00:30:27,104 --> 00:30:29,910
the distant politeness
of when they first met.
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00:30:31,745 --> 00:30:36,110
It was very easy for us to escape
into this storyline
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00:30:36,135 --> 00:30:40,670
that Meghan and Catherine
were best friends,
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00:30:40,695 --> 00:30:47,030
that William, Harry, Meghan and
Catherine represented the Fab Four,
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00:30:47,055 --> 00:30:52,390
this union of young royals
that were set to take control
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and modernise the monarchy.
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It wasn't the case at all.
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Just one year
after they were photographed
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00:31:01,135 --> 00:31:03,310
laughing together at Wimbledon,
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00:31:03,335 --> 00:31:08,360
new photographs emerged of Kate
and Meghan together at a polo event.
475
00:31:08,385 --> 00:31:12,590
This time, the atmosphere appeared
a little less friendly.
476
00:31:12,615 --> 00:31:16,390
The book notes there was a cordial
but distant rapport.
477
00:31:16,415 --> 00:31:20,030
So it's a big exclusive event
in the summer of 2019,
478
00:31:20,055 --> 00:31:22,999
and both Kate and Meghan
were there with their children.
479
00:31:23,024 --> 00:31:25,190
In fact, it was probably one
of the first times
480
00:31:25,215 --> 00:31:27,949
we'd seen Meghan out and about
with baby Archie.
481
00:31:27,974 --> 00:31:31,160
Kate was watching the children
playing on the field
482
00:31:31,185 --> 00:31:32,910
while watching the polo.
483
00:31:32,935 --> 00:31:36,999
But the real striking thing was that
the two women were not speaking.
484
00:31:37,024 --> 00:31:39,280
They weren't even conversing
for most of the day.
485
00:31:39,305 --> 00:31:41,590
And I think that was
quite a bit of a realisation
486
00:31:41,615 --> 00:31:44,520
for the British public,
and quite a disappointment as well,
487
00:31:44,545 --> 00:31:47,520
that these two women were not
going to be the best of friends.
488
00:31:49,615 --> 00:31:53,230
It's reported Meghan had wanted
a strong and close relationship
489
00:31:53,255 --> 00:31:54,470
with her sister-in-law.
490
00:31:55,904 --> 00:31:58,800
The book details that Meghan
had initially hoped
491
00:31:58,825 --> 00:32:01,879
that Kate would potentially
reach out to her
492
00:32:01,904 --> 00:32:06,160
and help guide her, as somebody who
had married into the institution.
493
00:32:06,185 --> 00:32:08,390
But the offer never materialised.
494
00:32:10,104 --> 00:32:15,110
It goes on to say Kate felt
they didn't have much in common,
495
00:32:15,135 --> 00:32:18,550
other than the fact that they lived
at Kensington Palace.
496
00:32:18,575 --> 00:32:21,560
So, while there might have been
an expectation from Meghan
497
00:32:21,585 --> 00:32:24,829
that Kate was going to sit down
and show her the ropes,
498
00:32:24,854 --> 00:32:27,390
perhaps that was
an unrealistic expectation -
499
00:32:27,415 --> 00:32:31,030
you know, the Duchess of Cambridge
is a busy woman.
500
00:32:31,055 --> 00:32:34,079
But Meghan clearly took that
quite personally.
501
00:32:36,104 --> 00:32:40,310
In the same weekend Finding Freedom
dominated the papers,
502
00:32:40,335 --> 00:32:44,160
Emily Andrews broke the story
that friends of the Cambridges
503
00:32:44,185 --> 00:32:47,440
say Kate rolled out
the red carpet for Meghan.
504
00:32:47,465 --> 00:32:49,670
So who was to blame
for this coldness?
505
00:32:51,024 --> 00:32:54,030
I think it seems that Meghan
had a very unrealistic expectation
506
00:32:54,055 --> 00:32:55,800
of her relationship with Kate.
507
00:32:55,825 --> 00:32:57,999
If you look at it
from the Cambridges' point of view,
508
00:32:58,024 --> 00:33:00,590
they don't know this woman at all.
From their point of view,
509
00:33:00,615 --> 00:33:03,079
they absolutely did welcome her
into the family.
510
00:33:03,104 --> 00:33:08,920
William and Kate invited Meghan
and Harry to Apartment 1A,
511
00:33:08,945 --> 00:33:12,160
Kate met Meghan pretty early on
in the relationship,
512
00:33:12,185 --> 00:33:14,360
and I think, from William
and Kate's point of view,
513
00:33:14,385 --> 00:33:16,560
they did try and help
as much as possible.
514
00:33:16,585 --> 00:33:18,440
But they were at a very different
stage of life.
515
00:33:20,305 --> 00:33:22,230
With friends of William and Kate
516
00:33:22,255 --> 00:33:24,520
refuting stories
from Finding Freedom,
517
00:33:24,545 --> 00:33:29,230
the public is once again presented
with two sides of the story,
518
00:33:29,255 --> 00:33:32,030
unsure which side
is telling the truth.
519
00:33:35,575 --> 00:33:38,829
By the time Harry and Meghan's
final royal engagement came around,
520
00:33:38,854 --> 00:33:40,889
in March of this year,
521
00:33:40,914 --> 00:33:43,110
the tension was clear
for everyone to see.
522
00:33:44,615 --> 00:33:48,160
At the Commonwealth event,
Meghan appeared to wave to Kate,
523
00:33:48,185 --> 00:33:50,280
but the gesture wasn't acknowledged.
524
00:33:51,695 --> 00:33:55,440
I was sitting behind William
and Kate and Meghan and Harry,
525
00:33:55,465 --> 00:33:58,920
a few rows back, with other members
of the press at that service,
526
00:33:58,945 --> 00:34:03,470
and there was absolutely a tension
between the two couples.
527
00:34:03,495 --> 00:34:08,360
While Kate turned around to speak
to Edward and Sophie Wessex,
528
00:34:08,385 --> 00:34:12,160
she just didn't acknowledge
Meghan and Harry at all,
529
00:34:12,185 --> 00:34:14,280
and that was very obvious.
530
00:34:15,974 --> 00:34:17,749
Finding Freedom notes that,
531
00:34:17,774 --> 00:34:20,560
after flying straight back to
Canada, Meghan...
532
00:34:27,535 --> 00:34:32,560
There is no doubt
that certain plotlines
533
00:34:32,585 --> 00:34:35,829
sell newspapers and sell magazines.
534
00:34:37,415 --> 00:34:41,110
And initially what sold
535
00:34:41,135 --> 00:34:46,440
was the remarkable story
of these four young royals
536
00:34:46,465 --> 00:34:49,920
and the tight union
that they supposedly had.
537
00:34:49,945 --> 00:34:52,749
But, in reality,
that just wasn't the case.
538
00:34:54,535 --> 00:34:58,030
Finding Freedom has done nothing
to quell the fascination
539
00:34:58,055 --> 00:35:03,190
with the Duke and Duchess of Sussex,
presenting another side of the story
540
00:35:03,215 --> 00:35:08,230
and asking if the criticism facing
the Sussexes has been fair.
541
00:35:08,255 --> 00:35:10,869
The whole story about
Meghan wanting, you know,
542
00:35:10,894 --> 00:35:13,720
the chapel for her wedding
to smell a certain way
543
00:35:13,745 --> 00:35:17,230
and then people find out that
Kate wanted the exact same thing,
544
00:35:17,255 --> 00:35:19,749
but Kate is not
being crucified for that.
545
00:35:19,774 --> 00:35:21,470
However, Meghan is.
546
00:35:21,495 --> 00:35:26,079
That just highlights again
that this toxicity against Meghan
547
00:35:26,104 --> 00:35:29,470
is coming from
a very deep place of bias.
548
00:35:38,315 --> 00:35:40,929
Finding Freedom might arguably
tell the story
549
00:35:40,954 --> 00:35:44,929
from Harry and Meghan's side, but
it's not the only book about them
550
00:35:44,954 --> 00:35:46,850
to hit the shelves this summer.
551
00:35:48,084 --> 00:35:50,290
It's like hot cakes right now.
552
00:35:50,315 --> 00:35:52,889
It's almost as though people think
that this is the next version
553
00:35:52,914 --> 00:35:54,850
of The Crown from Netflix.
554
00:35:54,875 --> 00:36:01,420
I think that there is a battle
at the moment amongst authors
555
00:36:01,445 --> 00:36:06,420
to try and tell or answer
the unanswered questions
556
00:36:06,445 --> 00:36:09,210
as to what led to the split.
557
00:36:17,034 --> 00:36:19,900
Many well-covered tales
about the Sussexes
558
00:36:19,925 --> 00:36:22,530
feature in books
by Lady Colin Campbell
559
00:36:22,555 --> 00:36:26,059
and journalists Dylan Howard
and Andy Tillett.
560
00:36:26,084 --> 00:36:27,809
But are these just examples
561
00:36:27,834 --> 00:36:32,420
of yet more unfair criticism
that Meghan has faced?
562
00:36:32,445 --> 00:36:35,370
Such as claims Meghan wanted
St George's Chapel
563
00:36:35,395 --> 00:36:38,059
to smell a certain way
for her wedding -
564
00:36:38,084 --> 00:36:41,340
a story she was ridiculed for
in the press,
565
00:36:41,365 --> 00:36:45,620
despite Kate wanting the same thing
at her wedding in Westminster Abbey.
566
00:36:47,925 --> 00:36:50,450
The whole story about Meghan
wanting, you know,
567
00:36:50,475 --> 00:36:53,450
the chapel for her wedding
to smell a certain way,
568
00:36:53,475 --> 00:36:57,009
and then people find out that
Kate wanted the exact same thing,
569
00:36:57,034 --> 00:36:59,620
but Kate is not being crucified
for that.
570
00:36:59,645 --> 00:37:01,210
However, Meghan is.
571
00:37:01,235 --> 00:37:05,850
That just highlights again
that this toxicity against Meghan
572
00:37:05,875 --> 00:37:09,210
is coming from
a very deep place of bias.
573
00:37:13,875 --> 00:37:18,450
Westminster Abbey is not the same
thing as St George's Chapel.
574
00:37:18,475 --> 00:37:24,329
I've actually been to events
at both, and, I have to tell you,
575
00:37:24,354 --> 00:37:27,989
St George's Chapel
does not smell musty.
576
00:37:28,014 --> 00:37:29,889
It smells of beeswax,
577
00:37:29,914 --> 00:37:34,659
which is what the furniture
is waxed down with.
578
00:37:34,684 --> 00:37:38,809
Maybe Meghan had never smelt beeswax
before in her life.
579
00:37:40,354 --> 00:37:45,049
Lady Colin Campbell's book
addresses another infamous story -
580
00:37:45,074 --> 00:37:47,089
the claim Meghan clashed
with the Queen
581
00:37:47,114 --> 00:37:49,219
over her choice of tiara
for her wedding.
582
00:37:50,604 --> 00:37:54,089
But Finding Freedom
says there was no clash.
583
00:37:54,114 --> 00:37:57,449
Each story has been corroborated
by at least two sources
584
00:37:57,474 --> 00:38:00,169
and they spoke to over 100 sources
for the book.
585
00:38:00,194 --> 00:38:01,859
People don't want to believe that.
586
00:38:01,884 --> 00:38:05,049
They want to think only Harry
and Meghan will say that,
587
00:38:05,074 --> 00:38:07,249
and they are lying.
588
00:38:07,274 --> 00:38:11,019
Instead, the book says
it was Harry who had reservations
589
00:38:11,044 --> 00:38:13,329
that the Queen's dressmaker,
Angela Kelley,
590
00:38:13,354 --> 00:38:15,579
was intentionally
delaying the process
591
00:38:15,604 --> 00:38:17,889
of Meghan selecting
her wedding day tiara.
592
00:38:20,324 --> 00:38:23,449
But it is quite one-sided.
593
00:38:23,474 --> 00:38:27,329
Yes, Harry and Meghan died
don't escape criticism in the book,
594
00:38:27,354 --> 00:38:29,329
that's certainly true.
595
00:38:29,354 --> 00:38:34,219
But it is mainly
their side of the story
596
00:38:34,244 --> 00:38:36,469
and everyone else is the bad guys.
597
00:38:37,834 --> 00:38:39,299
Either way, what is sure
598
00:38:39,324 --> 00:38:42,579
is that there have been
countless attacks on Meghan
599
00:38:42,604 --> 00:38:44,379
over the past two years.
600
00:38:44,404 --> 00:38:47,739
Allegedly, some even came
from palace insiders.
601
00:38:50,404 --> 00:38:52,249
Seems to me that some of the stores
602
00:38:52,274 --> 00:38:55,089
are stemming directly
from Buckingham Palace.
603
00:38:55,114 --> 00:38:59,169
We're back to this narrative again
that strong,
604
00:38:59,194 --> 00:39:04,529
independent women
are anathema in our society.
605
00:39:04,554 --> 00:39:07,659
"Duchess Difficult",
"Hurricane Meghan" -
606
00:39:07,684 --> 00:39:10,579
some of the headlines that started
coming out in the tabloid press.
607
00:39:10,604 --> 00:39:13,769
Reports that, you know, she had
a habit of sending dawn e-mails
608
00:39:13,794 --> 00:39:16,579
to staff and wanted a response
before lunchtime.
609
00:39:16,604 --> 00:39:20,609
This appears to be true and seems
to be backed up in Finding Freedom.
610
00:39:20,634 --> 00:39:23,529
But the author's
interpretation of this
611
00:39:23,554 --> 00:39:28,019
is that this was an experienced,
successful American actress
612
00:39:28,044 --> 00:39:29,939
who was used to having an
entourage of staff
613
00:39:29,964 --> 00:39:32,769
and who was used
to having things done quickly.
614
00:39:46,754 --> 00:39:51,329
Meghan has faced criticism for
pretty much every move she has made,
615
00:39:51,354 --> 00:39:53,859
even down to the clothes she wears.
616
00:39:55,244 --> 00:39:58,889
When Meghan came on the scene
and started wearing gowns
617
00:39:58,914 --> 00:40:04,809
that were thousands of dollars
and living an extravagant lifestyle,
618
00:40:04,834 --> 00:40:08,689
then it began to rub people
up the wrong way.
619
00:40:08,714 --> 00:40:10,409
Someone's got to spend the most.
620
00:40:10,434 --> 00:40:12,859
And Meghan's the one
that spends the most.
621
00:40:12,884 --> 00:40:15,139
Again, it's just a non-issue.
622
00:40:15,164 --> 00:40:16,769
It's a non-story.
623
00:40:16,794 --> 00:40:18,939
She's probably spending
her own money.
624
00:40:18,964 --> 00:40:20,089
What's the big deal?
625
00:40:22,834 --> 00:40:25,769
And even a claim
that Kensington Palace staff
626
00:40:25,794 --> 00:40:27,969
noted that Meghan's
charity cookbook,
627
00:40:27,994 --> 00:40:31,299
raising funds for the victims
of the Grenfell tragedy,
628
00:40:31,324 --> 00:40:34,769
didn't contain a single recipe
of British origin.
629
00:40:47,244 --> 00:40:49,049
Everyone embraced this so deeply
630
00:40:49,074 --> 00:40:51,859
because it's been a passion project
for all of us,
631
00:40:51,884 --> 00:40:53,529
and for a very good reason.
632
00:40:55,554 --> 00:40:57,729
For Meghan, much of the criticism
633
00:40:57,754 --> 00:41:00,119
must have felt unwarranted
and unfair.
634
00:41:02,394 --> 00:41:05,329
Why is Meghan a target
for criticism?
635
00:41:05,354 --> 00:41:06,859
Hmm...
636
00:41:06,884 --> 00:41:08,529
Very good question.
637
00:41:08,554 --> 00:41:09,859
Right, I don't know.
638
00:41:09,884 --> 00:41:13,089
Do you have a piece of paper?
Several pieces of paper?
639
00:41:13,114 --> 00:41:17,369
But let's start with the fact that,
one, she's a progressive woman.
640
00:41:17,394 --> 00:41:19,169
She's independent.
641
00:41:19,194 --> 00:41:21,969
And let's talk about the fact
that she doesn't fit
642
00:41:21,994 --> 00:41:26,449
your traditional idea
of, you know, "royalty".
643
00:41:27,914 --> 00:41:29,249
Let's talk about the fact
644
00:41:29,274 --> 00:41:32,329
that she's a woman
of bi-racial heritage, right?
645
00:41:32,354 --> 00:41:36,659
Let's talk about the fact that her
profession was that of an actress
646
00:41:36,684 --> 00:41:38,659
and the fact that she's American.
647
00:41:38,684 --> 00:41:42,169
There's just so many things
around and about her
648
00:41:42,194 --> 00:41:45,219
that many people do not like.
649
00:41:45,244 --> 00:41:46,859
I feel for the poor girl.
650
00:41:46,884 --> 00:41:49,659
I mean, she came into this country,
parachuted in.
651
00:41:49,684 --> 00:41:52,859
She's married into
a very difficult family,
652
00:41:52,884 --> 00:41:55,169
that everybody finds difficult
to come into
653
00:41:55,194 --> 00:41:56,969
because of the various pressures.
654
00:41:56,994 --> 00:41:59,329
And she's someone who didn't
know an awful lot
655
00:41:59,354 --> 00:42:01,499
about British history,
British culture.
656
00:42:01,524 --> 00:42:02,939
And she's... As she said herself,
657
00:42:02,964 --> 00:42:04,889
she's going to hit
the ground running.
658
00:42:04,914 --> 00:42:06,499
And she hit the ground running,
659
00:42:06,524 --> 00:42:09,939
but she found that she
came up against a brick wall.
660
00:42:09,964 --> 00:42:12,159
But amongst
all of the petty criticism,
661
00:42:12,184 --> 00:42:14,889
there have also been stories
that suggest
662
00:42:14,914 --> 00:42:18,069
Meghan and the royal way of life
was a culture clash.
663
00:42:19,294 --> 00:42:21,789
In my book, I go to great lengths
664
00:42:21,814 --> 00:42:26,029
to explain
how the culture clash arose,
665
00:42:26,054 --> 00:42:30,959
because Meghan has very
American attitudes and expectations.
666
00:42:30,984 --> 00:42:35,679
She is all about confidence,
go-getting, hustling
667
00:42:35,704 --> 00:42:39,269
and all of those Hollywood things
668
00:42:39,294 --> 00:42:43,019
that she has been brought up
to regard as desirable.
669
00:42:44,374 --> 00:42:47,779
Did Meghan really know
what she was letting herself in for
670
00:42:47,804 --> 00:42:50,749
when she married
into the royal family?
671
00:42:50,774 --> 00:42:55,549
Some stories show how she struggled
to get to grips with royal life,
672
00:42:55,574 --> 00:42:58,879
like her first official engagement
with the Queen -
673
00:42:58,904 --> 00:43:02,319
opening the Mersey Gateway Bridge
in June 2018.
674
00:43:54,734 --> 00:43:56,959
There were certain elements
of royalty
675
00:43:56,984 --> 00:43:58,989
that perhaps weren't for Meghan,
676
00:43:59,014 --> 00:44:01,779
but she was widely
condemned regardless.
677
00:44:01,804 --> 00:44:03,959
Like security.
678
00:44:03,984 --> 00:44:05,959
SINGING
679
00:44:05,984 --> 00:44:10,239
Dylan Howard's Royals At War
reminds us of an incident in Fiji
680
00:44:10,264 --> 00:44:11,879
when Meghan visited a market.
681
00:44:15,054 --> 00:44:19,549
Every royal is assigned
a level of protection
682
00:44:19,574 --> 00:44:23,029
when making appearances in public,
683
00:44:23,054 --> 00:44:28,469
and there could be no more
valuable commodity, if you like,
684
00:44:28,494 --> 00:44:32,709
than a pregnant Meghan Markle
making appearances in public.
685
00:44:34,134 --> 00:44:36,349
Under sweltering temperatures
686
00:44:36,374 --> 00:44:38,069
and with an increasingly
large crowd,
687
00:44:38,094 --> 00:44:41,159
the duchess was rushed out
and the visit ended early.
688
00:44:42,264 --> 00:44:44,029
Turn round, turn round, turn round.
689
00:44:45,294 --> 00:44:47,879
Inevitably, in these types
of scenarios,
690
00:44:47,904 --> 00:44:50,389
the royals are briefed
about what is right
691
00:44:50,414 --> 00:44:51,879
and what is wrong
692
00:44:51,904 --> 00:44:53,419
and what is expected of them
693
00:44:53,444 --> 00:44:57,669
in order to maintain their security
and their wellbeing.
694
00:44:57,694 --> 00:45:01,469
The security officer in charge
quit her role not long after
695
00:45:01,494 --> 00:45:06,749
amid claims at the time that Meghan
found security constraining,
696
00:45:06,774 --> 00:45:09,349
although the palace denied
this was why she left.
697
00:45:09,374 --> 00:45:12,599
Guys, out. Just stay to the side,
please.
698
00:45:12,624 --> 00:45:14,599
Everyone, turn round.
699
00:45:14,624 --> 00:45:16,139
Meghan was oblivious.
700
00:45:16,164 --> 00:45:18,349
Despite being told how to behave,
701
00:45:18,374 --> 00:45:22,189
she thumbed her nose
at the restrictions
702
00:45:22,214 --> 00:45:26,959
or recommendations of
the royal protection officer.
703
00:45:28,134 --> 00:45:31,159
And Lady Colin Campbell
recalls at an event
704
00:45:31,184 --> 00:45:35,749
that, in her view, shows Meghan
unwilling to persist with royal duty
705
00:45:35,774 --> 00:45:39,519
at her and Harry's first public
engagement as a married couple.
706
00:45:42,094 --> 00:45:48,349
I was at a dinner party at a very,
very famous aristocrat's house
707
00:45:48,374 --> 00:45:51,419
four nights after the wedding,
708
00:45:51,444 --> 00:45:56,799
and this person has impeccable
court connections.
709
00:45:58,264 --> 00:46:03,349
At a garden party to celebrate
Prince Charles's 70th birthday
710
00:46:03,374 --> 00:46:05,879
and all of his charity
connections...
711
00:46:05,904 --> 00:46:09,439
There had been this garden party
at Buckingham Palace
712
00:46:09,464 --> 00:46:12,059
and Harry and Meghan were there.
713
00:46:13,184 --> 00:46:16,029
Good afternoon, everybody.
APPLAUSE
714
00:46:18,054 --> 00:46:21,709
And there was much excitement
about them being there
715
00:46:21,734 --> 00:46:23,389
because, of course, at that time,
716
00:46:23,414 --> 00:46:26,439
they were the most popular couple
in the country.
717
00:46:26,464 --> 00:46:29,179
She was a revered figure.
718
00:46:29,204 --> 00:46:31,569
People couldn't wait to meet her.
719
00:46:31,594 --> 00:46:35,109
Well, 15 minutes
into the engagement,
720
00:46:35,134 --> 00:46:40,629
Meghan is overheard telling Harry
she's bored and she wants to leave
721
00:46:40,654 --> 00:46:44,059
because they've effectively
done their photo op.
722
00:46:47,904 --> 00:46:53,349
And the person who overheard this
was completely gobsmacked.
723
00:46:53,374 --> 00:46:56,049
Enjoy the rest of your day.
724
00:46:56,074 --> 00:46:59,749
All of these stories and allegations
hint at teething problems
725
00:46:59,774 --> 00:47:03,189
as Meghan grappled with royal life.
726
00:47:03,214 --> 00:47:07,549
But rather than focusing on
arguably unfair criticisms,
727
00:47:07,574 --> 00:47:10,829
should the public and press have
been more understanding
728
00:47:10,854 --> 00:47:12,989
of Meghan's struggle?
729
00:47:13,014 --> 00:47:14,269
...in orange...
730
00:47:14,294 --> 00:47:16,959
After all, it's something
that is very different
731
00:47:16,984 --> 00:47:18,959
to what she was used to.
732
00:47:18,984 --> 00:47:21,159
...that's one of my favourite parts
of being there.
733
00:47:21,184 --> 00:47:23,029
On the face of it, everybody was
very, very excited
734
00:47:23,054 --> 00:47:24,309
when Meghan came on the scene.
735
00:47:24,334 --> 00:47:26,519
She was hugely successful
in her own right.
736
00:47:26,544 --> 00:47:30,309
She'd spoken on the world stage
on big issues like the UN,
737
00:47:30,334 --> 00:47:32,269
human rights, girls education.
738
00:47:32,294 --> 00:47:35,629
I think there was a awful lot
of interest and excitement
739
00:47:35,654 --> 00:47:36,959
with her coming on the scene.
740
00:47:36,984 --> 00:47:39,829
But she definitely wanted
to hit the ground running.
741
00:47:39,854 --> 00:47:41,269
She'd said that herself.
742
00:47:41,294 --> 00:47:43,599
I think that, in certain sections
of the palace,
743
00:47:43,624 --> 00:47:44,989
that was quite difficult
744
00:47:45,014 --> 00:47:48,799
because there are certain processes,
protocols that had to be followed.
745
00:47:48,824 --> 00:47:50,599
And when these two worlds collided,
746
00:47:50,624 --> 00:47:53,619
there was definitely a clash
that couldn't be avoided.
747
00:47:53,644 --> 00:47:55,799
There was a culture clash.
748
00:47:55,824 --> 00:48:01,309
American divorcee
bi-racial actress,
749
00:48:01,334 --> 00:48:03,269
woman of substance,
750
00:48:03,294 --> 00:48:06,599
21st century girl from Los Angeles
751
00:48:06,624 --> 00:48:10,909
versus the pale, male, stale
752
00:48:10,934 --> 00:48:14,309
and very white British monarchy.
753
00:48:14,334 --> 00:48:16,909
Yes, we have a woman
as our head of state.
754
00:48:16,934 --> 00:48:19,769
YES, we have 6 WOITIBH 6S OUF queen.
755
00:48:20,874 --> 00:48:23,569
But it is still an old-fashioned
institution.
756
00:48:23,594 --> 00:48:25,989
It's done in... Tradition is all.
757
00:48:26,014 --> 00:48:27,669
Duty is all.
758
00:48:27,694 --> 00:48:30,669
And that's not very woke
or 21st century.
759
00:48:30,694 --> 00:48:35,109
Coming up, did Meghan feel
she lost her ability to speak out
760
00:48:35,134 --> 00:48:36,829
when she became a royal?
761
00:48:38,184 --> 00:48:39,439
That age-old mantra,
762
00:48:39,464 --> 00:48:42,029
which has stood the royals
in very good stead -
763
00:48:42,054 --> 00:48:44,469
never complain, never explain -
764
00:48:44,494 --> 00:48:45,879
I think most people would say
765
00:48:45,904 --> 00:48:49,239
that she absolutely
didn't understand that.
766
00:48:49,264 --> 00:48:51,389
And now that she and Harry
have left,
767
00:48:51,414 --> 00:48:53,309
is she getting her voice back?
768
00:48:55,084 --> 00:48:58,829
It's been very empowering
and inspiring to see and to hear
769
00:48:58,854 --> 00:49:00,549
what they've had to say.
770
00:49:09,344 --> 00:49:11,569
Many observers believe that
a key factor
771
00:49:11,594 --> 00:49:15,239
behind the Sussexes leaving
the royal institution
772
00:49:15,264 --> 00:49:18,439
was what some saw
as the muzzling of Meghan Markle.
773
00:49:18,464 --> 00:49:20,519
Before her marriage to Prince Harry,
774
00:49:20,544 --> 00:49:23,639
she'd used her media profile
to highlight social issues
775
00:49:23,664 --> 00:49:25,319
close to her heart.
776
00:49:25,344 --> 00:49:27,029
Women don't need to find a voice.
777
00:49:27,054 --> 00:49:28,279
They have a voice.
778
00:49:28,304 --> 00:49:30,159
They need to feel empowered
to use it,
779
00:49:30,184 --> 00:49:32,959
and people need to be encouraged
to listen.
780
00:49:32,984 --> 00:49:34,719
More people were encouraged
to listen
781
00:49:34,744 --> 00:49:37,879
when her relationship
with Harry became public.
782
00:49:37,904 --> 00:49:40,029
But being Harry's girlfriend
was one thing,
783
00:49:40,054 --> 00:49:42,409
being his wife was quite another.
784
00:49:42,434 --> 00:49:44,359
If she was not part
of the royal, family
785
00:49:44,384 --> 00:49:46,799
the way she would have come
out to speak on issues
786
00:49:46,824 --> 00:49:48,959
and to lend support
on different things,
787
00:49:48,984 --> 00:49:51,209
she had to curtail all of that.
788
00:49:51,234 --> 00:49:54,159
You can speak your mind
as a celebrity.
789
00:49:54,184 --> 00:49:57,749
You can align yourself
with different politicians
790
00:49:57,774 --> 00:49:59,359
as a celebrity.
791
00:49:59,384 --> 00:50:03,589
You can't do any of that as being
a member of the royal family.
792
00:50:03,614 --> 00:50:05,159
You blogs and all that stuff,
793
00:50:05,184 --> 00:50:07,999
that's just been silenced 100%
to fit this role.
794
00:50:08,024 --> 00:50:10,409
Maybe one of the reasons
for them wanting to leave
795
00:50:10,434 --> 00:50:12,409
is so that she can go back
to doing that.
796
00:50:12,434 --> 00:50:14,769
And following her move
to Los Angeles,
797
00:50:14,794 --> 00:50:16,279
despite the lockdown,
798
00:50:16,304 --> 00:50:20,569
Meghan Markle is out there
speaking her mind once again.
799
00:50:20,594 --> 00:50:22,439
All of you were out there
campaigning,
800
00:50:22,464 --> 00:50:23,799
fighting the right fight,
801
00:50:23,824 --> 00:50:25,519
being on the right side of history
802
00:50:25,544 --> 00:50:27,719
and ensuring that
we can get closer
803
00:50:27,744 --> 00:50:29,599
to seeing
this truly as our past
804
00:50:29,624 --> 00:50:33,029
and not something that we have to
revisit again and again and again.
805
00:50:33,054 --> 00:50:39,279
Meghan and Harry have given,
you know, recent zoom virtual talks
806
00:50:39,304 --> 00:50:42,239
to many from the younger generation.
807
00:50:42,264 --> 00:50:45,569
They definitely have been able to
speak about matters
808
00:50:45,594 --> 00:50:49,209
that are at the heart of them, and
matters that are important to them
809
00:50:49,234 --> 00:50:51,439
like Black Lives Matter.
810
00:50:51,464 --> 00:50:54,719
The only wrong thing to say
is to say nothing...
811
00:50:55,934 --> 00:50:56,909
...because...
812
00:50:58,654 --> 00:51:00,779
...George Floyd's life mattered,
813
00:51:00,804 --> 00:51:02,969
and Breonna Taylor's life mattered,
814
00:51:02,994 --> 00:51:05,139
and Philando Castile's
life mattered,
815
00:51:05,164 --> 00:51:07,249
and Tamir Rice's life mattered.
816
00:51:10,674 --> 00:51:13,649
And so did so many other people
whose names we know
817
00:51:13,674 --> 00:51:16,169
and whose names we do not know.
818
00:51:16,194 --> 00:51:20,009
It's been very empowering and
inspiring to see and to hear
819
00:51:20,034 --> 00:51:21,729
what they've had to say.
820
00:51:23,704 --> 00:51:25,059
But did Harry and Meghan
821
00:51:25,084 --> 00:51:27,889
really need to leave
the royal institution
822
00:51:27,914 --> 00:51:30,249
to speak out
on subjects like racism
823
00:51:30,274 --> 00:51:32,419
and women's rights?
824
00:51:32,444 --> 00:51:34,369
I went back to the palaces,
825
00:51:34,394 --> 00:51:36,169
various people in palaces,
and said,
826
00:51:36,194 --> 00:51:39,249
"Would Meghan have been allowed
to make those kind of speeches
827
00:51:39,274 --> 00:51:41,449
"if she was still working for
the royals?"
828
00:51:41,474 --> 00:51:43,089
Now, you can take
what I'm about to say as,
829
00:51:43,114 --> 00:51:45,009
"Well, that would say that,
wouldn't they?"
830
00:51:45,034 --> 00:51:46,809
but literally, to a man and a woman,
831
00:51:46,834 --> 00:51:49,369
the people that I spoke
to said, "Yeah, why not?"
832
00:51:51,244 --> 00:51:53,499
More problematic for the royals,
perhaps,
833
00:51:53,524 --> 00:51:56,169
was a concern that Meghan's
progressive agenda
834
00:51:56,194 --> 00:51:57,779
might encroach into politics.
835
00:51:59,314 --> 00:52:01,089
You're going to use your voice
in a stronger way
836
00:52:01,114 --> 00:52:02,797
than you've ever been able to.
837
00:52:02,822 --> 00:52:05,307
Because most of you are 18,
or you're going to turn 18,
838
00:52:05,332 --> 00:52:06,667
so you're going to vote.
839
00:52:06,692 --> 00:52:09,307
Someone said to me, "That might be,"
and I was like, hang on a sec,
840
00:52:09,332 --> 00:52:11,877
she's just telling everyone to vote.
That's not political.
841
00:52:11,902 --> 00:52:14,847
And they were like, "No, but
she's made it very clear in the past
842
00:52:14,872 --> 00:52:17,026
"where her political
allegiances lie."
843
00:52:17,051 --> 00:52:19,307
You know, she's been very outspoken
about Trump.
844
00:52:20,981 --> 00:52:24,237
The royal family has historically
stayed out of politics.
845
00:52:25,942 --> 00:52:28,127
There is an inherent conflict
846
00:52:28,152 --> 00:52:31,877
between a member of
the British royal family
847
00:52:31,902 --> 00:52:34,917
involved in American politics.
848
00:52:34,942 --> 00:52:38,127
It just can't work.
849
00:52:38,152 --> 00:52:40,557
Before Meghan became pregnant
with Archie,
850
00:52:40,582 --> 00:52:44,797
they had intended to go
to America on tour,
851
00:52:44,822 --> 00:52:47,276
but she made it very clear that
she wasn't going to see Trump.
852
00:52:47,301 --> 00:52:49,127
I'm afraid it doesn't work
like that.
853
00:52:49,152 --> 00:52:53,877
Clearly, she is a woman
with very strong political opinions.
854
00:52:53,902 --> 00:52:56,357
I think we will probably
see and hear more of these
855
00:52:56,382 --> 00:52:59,667
now that she is detached
from the royal family.
856
00:53:02,942 --> 00:53:05,196
As well as freeing her
to speak her mind,
857
00:53:05,221 --> 00:53:09,437
leaving has allowed Meghan
to regain control of her own agenda
858
00:53:09,462 --> 00:53:12,847
and to hit out directly
at her detractors.
859
00:53:15,512 --> 00:53:17,877
Through her Instagram,
very popular lnstagram account,
860
00:53:17,902 --> 00:53:18,946
and her blog, The Tig,
861
00:53:18,971 --> 00:53:21,946
she was used to being able
to control the message.
862
00:53:26,512 --> 00:53:28,357
Believe in what makes you unique,
863
00:53:28,382 --> 00:53:31,557
and don't be afraid to do
what you know is right,
864
00:53:31,582 --> 00:53:34,406
even when it's not popular.
865
00:53:34,431 --> 00:53:36,637
Even when it's never been done
before.
866
00:53:36,662 --> 00:53:39,917
Well, Meghan's choice of language,
of "even when it's not popular,
867
00:53:39,942 --> 00:53:41,847
"even if it's not been done before,"
868
00:53:41,872 --> 00:53:44,437
was definitely a pointed reference
869
00:53:44,462 --> 00:53:46,637
to their decision
to leave the royal family.
870
00:53:46,662 --> 00:53:49,196
Even if it scares people,
871
00:53:49,221 --> 00:53:51,357
and even if it scares you
a little.
872
00:53:53,582 --> 00:53:54,877
That age-old mantra,
873
00:53:54,902 --> 00:53:57,597
which has stood the royals
in very good stead -
874
00:53:57,622 --> 00:53:59,637
never complain, never explain -
875
00:53:59,662 --> 00:54:01,047
I think most people would say
876
00:54:01,072 --> 00:54:03,667
that she absolutely didn't
understand that.
877
00:54:03,692 --> 00:54:05,997
One of the things she felt
very stifled by
878
00:54:06,022 --> 00:54:08,127
was not being able to answer back.
879
00:54:19,742 --> 00:54:26,717
Meghan couldn't grasp the reason why
she wasn't able to respond to these.
880
00:54:26,742 --> 00:54:31,076
Well, there was so much more
at stake than just Meghan Markle.
881
00:54:31,101 --> 00:54:34,237
The whole House of Windsor needed
to be considered
882
00:54:34,262 --> 00:54:38,076
in whether or not she was
to respond to an allegation
883
00:54:38,101 --> 00:54:39,936
that was levelled against her.
884
00:54:39,961 --> 00:54:44,307
And that narrow-mindedness goes
a long way to explaining
885
00:54:44,332 --> 00:54:47,237
why her and Harry would
ultimately leave the family.
886
00:54:47,262 --> 00:54:49,877
And I think this book
is largely being written
887
00:54:49,902 --> 00:54:52,307
to put to her side
of the story across.
888
00:54:54,382 --> 00:54:56,946
And regardless of their personal
influence on the book,
889
00:54:56,971 --> 00:55:00,276
it hasn't been the only outlet
for the couple's grievances.
890
00:55:13,022 --> 00:55:15,196
The letter related to
Thomas Markle's
891
00:55:15,221 --> 00:55:17,047
various dealings
with the media
892
00:55:17,072 --> 00:55:21,717
following his non-appearances
at the couple's wedding in May 2018.
893
00:55:21,742 --> 00:55:24,076
And within the court documents,
894
00:55:24,101 --> 00:55:26,917
some of Meghan's complaints
about her treatment
895
00:55:26,942 --> 00:55:29,637
within the House of Windsor
have been laid bare.
896
00:55:31,221 --> 00:55:34,717
She has used the courts as a forum
897
00:55:34,742 --> 00:55:39,326
to get her version of events out
into the public.
898
00:55:39,351 --> 00:55:40,837
Meghan's detractors say
899
00:55:40,862 --> 00:55:43,587
she's attempting to manipulate
the media
900
00:55:43,612 --> 00:55:46,217
and claim the revelations
in her court evidence
901
00:55:46,242 --> 00:55:50,517
and writing the letter
to her father in the first place
902
00:55:50,542 --> 00:55:52,946
are evidence of this.
903
00:55:52,971 --> 00:55:58,557
If Meghan expects me or anybody else
that I know who has a brain
904
00:55:58,582 --> 00:56:01,637
to think that she wrote that letter
905
00:56:01,662 --> 00:56:06,156
for anything except damaging
her father's reputation
906
00:56:06,181 --> 00:56:08,767
and boosting her own,
907
00:56:08,792 --> 00:56:10,917
and excusing her,
908
00:56:10,942 --> 00:56:12,767
she better think again.
909
00:56:12,792 --> 00:56:14,276
The central point of the case
910
00:56:14,301 --> 00:56:16,307
is whether Meghan wrote this letter
911
00:56:16,332 --> 00:56:18,517
with the intention
of it being public
912
00:56:18,542 --> 00:56:20,406
and one of the authors
behind this book
913
00:56:20,431 --> 00:56:21,877
has actually gone on record
914
00:56:21,902 --> 00:56:24,687
to say that Meghan wrote it
with the public in mind.
915
00:56:26,382 --> 00:56:30,557
That was a comment made by author
Omid Scobie earlier in the year,
916
00:56:30,582 --> 00:56:32,557
but not repeated in the book.
917
00:56:32,582 --> 00:56:35,047
Meghan emphatically states
that she didn't expect
918
00:56:35,072 --> 00:56:36,837
the contents to become public,
919
00:56:36,862 --> 00:56:38,517
but Associated Newspapers,
920
00:56:38,542 --> 00:56:40,477
publishers of
the Mail on Sunday,
921
00:56:40,502 --> 00:56:41,717
are contesting that.
922
00:56:41,742 --> 00:56:43,276
Before being published,
923
00:56:43,301 --> 00:56:45,997
the letter had been referred to
in People magazine.
924
00:56:46,022 --> 00:56:48,076
She may have given her friends
925
00:56:48,101 --> 00:56:50,557
permission to speak
to People magazine.
926
00:56:50,582 --> 00:56:53,196
Friends have been spoken to
at some point,
927
00:56:53,221 --> 00:56:54,587
but I genuinely think that
928
00:56:54,612 --> 00:56:57,517
that was a letter
between herself and her father
929
00:56:57,542 --> 00:57:01,357
and I don't think she wanted it
to be in any of the papers.
930
00:57:06,582 --> 00:57:08,837
It will be up to the courts
to decide
931
00:57:08,862 --> 00:57:13,877
of whether... This was the issue,
of whether she did know or didn't.
932
00:57:13,902 --> 00:57:19,357
I think it must be very sad
and exhausting for Harry and Meghan
933
00:57:19,382 --> 00:57:22,437
to have had to undertake
this court action.
934
00:57:22,462 --> 00:57:27,276
You're forced to go through this
vicious cycle of seeing more lies
935
00:57:27,301 --> 00:57:30,587
and the same lies come up,
and people buy into it
936
00:57:30,612 --> 00:57:32,076
and people dig into it.
937
00:57:32,101 --> 00:57:33,917
It has to be exhausting for them.
938
00:57:33,942 --> 00:57:37,156
But I have to say,
it is the right thing to do.
939
00:57:39,742 --> 00:57:41,917
Since beginning
the court proceedings,
940
00:57:41,942 --> 00:57:44,946
both Harry and Meghan
have been accused of hypocrisy
941
00:57:44,971 --> 00:57:46,557
in their dealings with the media.
942
00:57:48,332 --> 00:57:51,946
Whether or not she wanted
the letter leaked
943
00:57:51,971 --> 00:57:54,437
is really unknown at this point.
944
00:57:54,462 --> 00:57:56,687
But what I can say with certainty
945
00:57:56,712 --> 00:58:00,276
is that she does want
certain stories leaked.
946
00:58:00,301 --> 00:58:01,687
In the book Fighting Freedom,
947
00:58:01,712 --> 00:58:03,687
it says that she worked
with the paparazzi.
948
00:58:03,712 --> 00:58:06,276
She tipped them off and
she tipped off localjournalists
949
00:58:06,301 --> 00:58:08,687
because she was trying
to further her own profile.
950
00:58:08,712 --> 00:58:11,687
And you do kind of come away
from the book thinking
951
00:58:11,712 --> 00:58:16,196
Harry and Meghan are perfectly happy
to invade their own privacy
952
00:58:16,221 --> 00:58:19,717
as long as it's a positive
outcome for them.
953
00:58:19,742 --> 00:58:22,837
I've never seen a member
of the royal family
954
00:58:22,862 --> 00:58:28,637
who has polarised opinion
quite as strongly as Meghan,
955
00:58:28,662 --> 00:58:30,497
and then Harry and Meghan.
956
00:58:30,522 --> 00:58:34,917
It's almost as if people took
positions very, very early on.
957
00:58:34,942 --> 00:58:38,076
You're either for them
or you're against them.
958
00:58:38,101 --> 00:58:40,767
CHEERING
959
00:58:40,792 --> 00:58:42,437
But unlike many such debates,
960
00:58:42,462 --> 00:58:45,227
there will eventually be winners
and losers
961
00:58:45,252 --> 00:58:48,406
on at least some
of the big questions over Meghan.
962
00:58:48,431 --> 00:58:50,637
Is she an attention-seeking
hypocrite
963
00:58:50,662 --> 00:58:53,867
who was a disruptive influence
on the royal family,
964
00:58:53,892 --> 00:58:58,227
or is she a well-meaning and
wholly innocent victim of racism,
965
00:58:58,252 --> 00:59:02,867
sexism and the machinery and
machinations of the monarchy?
966
00:59:02,892 --> 00:59:05,276
It seems that the English
courts will play a part
967
00:59:05,301 --> 00:59:07,196
in answering that question.
968
00:59:09,221 --> 00:59:10,946
If they are to win,
969
00:59:10,971 --> 00:59:13,997
they will have won
at the expense
970
00:59:14,022 --> 00:59:18,357
of dragging the royal family
through the mud.
971
00:59:18,382 --> 00:59:22,557
So, win or lose,
in my view, it's a loss.
972
00:59:24,462 --> 00:59:26,477
Released from
the House of Windsor,
973
00:59:26,502 --> 00:59:30,437
have Harry and Meghan
really found their freedom?
974
00:59:30,462 --> 00:59:32,946
If it was not for Covid-19,
975
00:59:32,971 --> 00:59:38,117
we would have seen and heard
a lot more from this couple.
976
00:59:38,142 --> 00:59:42,587
They are holed up in
a rented £80 million mansion.
977
01:00:01,371 --> 01:00:05,346
Meghan and Harry have begun
their new journey in Los Angeles,
978
01:00:05,371 --> 01:00:08,137
and, released from the shackles
of the British monarchy,
979
01:00:08,162 --> 01:00:09,577
their new life is laid bare
980
01:00:09,602 --> 01:00:12,887
in a revelatory new book,
Finding Freedom.
981
01:00:12,912 --> 01:00:14,497
But are they?
982
01:00:14,522 --> 01:00:17,457
I think moving to LA,
to California,
983
01:00:17,482 --> 01:00:19,416
they have found a lot of freedom,
984
01:00:19,441 --> 01:00:22,137
at least a lot compared to
what they were having
985
01:00:22,162 --> 01:00:24,166
over here in the UK.
986
01:00:24,191 --> 01:00:25,887
It's just different over there.
987
01:00:25,912 --> 01:00:28,057
It's more laid back.
It's easier.
988
01:00:28,082 --> 01:00:30,497
It's a slower pace of life.
989
01:00:30,522 --> 01:00:33,247
And I think that's gonna be good
for the both of them.
990
01:00:33,272 --> 01:00:36,216
They really need to try and take
a bit of time out
991
01:00:36,241 --> 01:00:40,216
and maybe realise what they want,
what their future looks like.
992
01:00:40,241 --> 01:00:44,577
They're not in the public eye
as much as they were over here.
993
01:00:44,602 --> 01:00:49,096
So I think they've got a real
opportunity to slow down,
994
01:00:49,121 --> 01:00:52,937
to figure it out,
and to find happiness.
995
01:00:52,962 --> 01:00:55,137
But if finding freedom
is their goal,
996
01:00:55,162 --> 01:00:59,697
2020 hasn't been the easiest year
in which to achieve it.
997
01:00:59,722 --> 01:01:02,377
Have they actually found freedom?
998
01:01:02,402 --> 01:01:03,527
Not really.
999
01:01:03,552 --> 01:01:05,887
No-one could have predicted
this pandemic.
1000
01:01:05,912 --> 01:01:09,057
But the reality is that
they are holed up
1001
01:01:09,082 --> 01:01:12,857
in a rented £80 million mansion
in Beverly Hills,
1002
01:01:12,882 --> 01:01:15,447
taking on the paparazzi
because they believe
1003
01:01:15,472 --> 01:01:19,017
they have invaded their privacy
by taking pictures of them.
1004
01:01:19,042 --> 01:01:22,346
The idea that they are almost
prisoners in their own home
1005
01:01:22,371 --> 01:01:25,527
doesn't suggest that
they have found freedom.
1006
01:01:26,602 --> 01:01:29,857
The Duke and Duchess of Sussex
launched another legal action,
1007
01:01:29,882 --> 01:01:31,057
this time in the US,
1008
01:01:31,082 --> 01:01:33,247
after drones were allegedly used
1009
01:01:33,272 --> 01:01:36,987
to take pictures
of their infant son, Archie.
1010
01:01:37,012 --> 01:01:40,296
These reports of the drone
that's flying over their LA home
1011
01:01:40,321 --> 01:01:41,887
and they're trying to find
that person
1012
01:01:41,912 --> 01:01:43,807
and then they will sue
that person
1013
01:01:43,832 --> 01:01:46,887
goes to show you
that they will not put up with
1014
01:01:46,912 --> 01:01:49,937
the invasion of their privacy
at all.
1015
01:01:52,321 --> 01:01:54,987
Some believe that for
a couple seeking freedom
1016
01:01:55,012 --> 01:01:56,937
and wary of the paparazzi,
1017
01:01:56,962 --> 01:02:00,137
moving to Los Angeles
was a strange choice.
1018
01:02:00,162 --> 01:02:03,346
That remains the great paradox
of a decision
1019
01:02:03,371 --> 01:02:07,096
to move out of the royal family
to avoid the limelight
1020
01:02:07,121 --> 01:02:10,017
and move to a place
where the limelight shines brighter
1021
01:02:10,042 --> 01:02:11,987
than anywhere else in the world.
1022
01:02:12,012 --> 01:02:15,166
They've gone to the pap capital
of the world.
1023
01:02:15,191 --> 01:02:18,346
In LA, freedom of expression
is paramount.
1024
01:02:18,371 --> 01:02:20,807
I think that we're seeing
how they're trying to achieve
1025
01:02:20,832 --> 01:02:24,057
the privacy that they want,
by suing publications.
1026
01:02:24,082 --> 01:02:28,377
And they probably won't stop
until they stop being pursued.
1027
01:02:28,402 --> 01:02:33,267
So I think this will definitely
put caution in a lot ofjournalists
1028
01:02:33,292 --> 01:02:34,887
and a lot of photographers
1029
01:02:34,912 --> 01:02:38,057
and being very, very careful
about what they print.
1030
01:02:38,082 --> 01:02:40,267
The Sussexes battle
is far from over
1031
01:02:40,292 --> 01:02:42,697
when it comes
to protecting their privacy.
1032
01:02:42,722 --> 01:02:44,057
But what does the future hold
1033
01:02:44,082 --> 01:02:47,267
when it comes to
their financial freedom?
1034
01:02:47,292 --> 01:02:49,577
I think we're going to see
a lot more
1035
01:02:49,602 --> 01:02:52,057
of Meghan and Harry
making speeches.
1036
01:02:52,082 --> 01:02:54,267
I've been told the Obamas'
business model
1037
01:02:54,292 --> 01:02:56,777
is something that
they're very much aspiring to,
1038
01:02:56,802 --> 01:02:59,657
which could earn them
a very lucrative income indeed.
1039
01:02:59,682 --> 01:03:01,857
I mean, public speaking engagements
alone
1040
01:03:01,882 --> 01:03:05,416
could earn the couple hundreds
of thousands of dollars.
1041
01:03:25,552 --> 01:03:29,086
There's much speculation about
the path that Meghan will take,
1042
01:03:29,111 --> 01:03:31,017
but what about Prince Harry?
1043
01:03:31,042 --> 01:03:32,627
The break from the royal family
1044
01:03:32,652 --> 01:03:35,527
meant giving up
all his military titles
1045
01:03:35,552 --> 01:03:38,336
and which took up
an awful lot of his time.
1046
01:03:38,361 --> 01:03:40,657
I think he probably took that
quite hard,
1047
01:03:40,682 --> 01:03:42,857
and I think that was a bit harsh,
1048
01:03:42,882 --> 01:03:45,627
but I'm hoping that he can
continue to work with veterans
1049
01:03:45,652 --> 01:03:47,937
in some form, perhaps in America,
1050
01:03:47,962 --> 01:03:49,657
and continue that line of work
1051
01:03:49,682 --> 01:03:52,247
because he was genuinely
passionate about it.
1052
01:03:53,932 --> 01:03:57,267
If, as seems likely, Harry
has more difficulty than Meghan
1053
01:03:57,292 --> 01:03:59,267
in acclimatising to this new life,
1054
01:03:59,292 --> 01:04:03,296
might some kind of return
to the royal fold be possible?
1055
01:04:03,321 --> 01:04:06,627
The queen gave them this option
of the trial period.
1056
01:04:06,652 --> 01:04:08,887
You know, see how you fare
after 12 months
1057
01:04:08,912 --> 01:04:10,577
and see if it's working for you.
1058
01:04:10,602 --> 01:04:13,137
Partly through coronavirus
1059
01:04:13,162 --> 01:04:17,657
and partly through the way
they have handled things,
1060
01:04:17,682 --> 01:04:20,137
what they hoped to achieve
1061
01:04:20,162 --> 01:04:25,057
is clearly turning out to be
more of an uphill struggle
1062
01:04:25,082 --> 01:04:27,937
than they would have envisaged
initially.
1063
01:04:27,962 --> 01:04:29,807
Who knows?
1064
01:04:29,832 --> 01:04:32,627
I don't think they know
what they're going to be doing
1065
01:04:32,652 --> 01:04:35,807
between now and next week,
much less next year.
1066
01:04:35,832 --> 01:04:38,577
There were headlines in some
of the tabloid press
1067
01:04:38,602 --> 01:04:40,447
after the serialisation
1068
01:04:40,472 --> 01:04:43,416
that, you know, there was
no way back after this,
1069
01:04:43,441 --> 01:04:44,977
after the revelations,
1070
01:04:45,002 --> 01:04:47,627
after airing their
dirty laundry in public.
1071
01:04:47,652 --> 01:04:50,086
That, you know, this was it
for the Sussexes.
1072
01:04:50,111 --> 01:04:51,527
I'm not so sure.
1073
01:04:51,552 --> 01:04:55,586
While I don't think they will go
back to a royal role as such,
1074
01:04:55,611 --> 01:05:00,686
Harry remains, in spite of what's
been said and what's happened,
1075
01:05:00,711 --> 01:05:03,596
deeply loved by his family.
1076
01:05:05,561 --> 01:05:08,616
Whatever the future might hold
for the former royal couple,
1077
01:05:08,641 --> 01:05:11,616
it seems that, for now,
a return to the House of Windsor
1078
01:05:11,641 --> 01:05:14,175
is very far from their minds.
1079
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:18,656
I think that they will
get it right over there.
1080
01:05:18,681 --> 01:05:21,175
You know, I hope that they will do
1081
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,125
exciting and amazing things
together,
1082
01:05:24,150 --> 01:05:26,616
become financially independent
1083
01:05:26,641 --> 01:05:28,536
and live a peaceful life,
1084
01:05:28,561 --> 01:05:31,536
which I suspect is
what they both want.
1085
01:05:31,561 --> 01:05:33,226
I applaud Harry and Meghan
1086
01:05:33,251 --> 01:05:34,936
for standing up
for what they believe
1087
01:05:34,961 --> 01:05:38,045
and wanting to carve out
a life for themselves
1088
01:05:38,070 --> 01:05:39,936
that makes them happy.
1089
01:05:39,961 --> 01:05:43,226
That should ultimately be
what we all want for them.
1090
01:05:56,611 --> 01:05:59,816
In 2018, William, Harry,
Kate and Meghan
1091
01:05:59,841 --> 01:06:02,295
were being hailed as
the golden generation
1092
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,255
who'd build a new
21st century monarchy.
1093
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,656
In just two years,
that dream has shattered.
1094
01:06:08,681 --> 01:06:12,616
How? Finding Freedom certainly
doesn't have all the answers,
1095
01:06:12,641 --> 01:06:14,866
but it does reveal the open wounds
1096
01:06:14,891 --> 01:06:17,096
currently blighting
the royal family,
1097
01:06:17,121 --> 01:06:20,045
and some say rub salt into them.
1098
01:06:20,070 --> 01:06:22,406
There are two sides
to every story.
1099
01:06:22,431 --> 01:06:23,976
Which one to believe -
1100
01:06:24,001 --> 01:06:25,686
that's up to you.
1101
01:06:37,001 --> 01:06:41,736
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