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On this episode of Death Row Stories...
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The murder of a wealthy
young man in the Big Easy,
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seals the fate of a petty drug dealer.
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That's the guy who did
it and there's no question
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in my mind.
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And gives two out of town lawyers
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a crash course in New Orleans justice.
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- First thing I asked them is, "Do you
really understand - what you're up against?"
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But when evidence of innocence emerges...
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- Something was going on that was
very unscrupulous - and was deliberate.
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The system will stop at nothing
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to get the verdict it wants.
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We had struck out and he was going to die.
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There's a body on the water.
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He was butchered and murdered.
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Many people proclaim their innocence.
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In this case,
there are a number of things that stink.
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- This man is remorseless.
- He needs to pay for it - with his life.
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The electric chair
flashed in front of my eyes.
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Get a conviction at all costs,
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let the truth fall where it may.
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World famous Bourbon Street.
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You can buy a song and dance for a dime.
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On December 5th, 1984,
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Ray Liuzza,
a fun loving 34-year-old bachelor
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from a prominent New Orleans family,
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was out on the town
celebrating his promotion
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to vice-president of one
of the city's biggest hotels.
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Ray was the epitome of people
who are true New Orleanians.
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The love of the art and the history
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and the fine cuisine
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as well as the music.
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Late that night, as Liuzza returned to his
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garden district apartment,
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he was approached by someone in the dark.
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He was then robbed at gunpoint.
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He complied with the perpetrators,
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Um... giving them up
everything that he had.
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He asked them not to shoot him
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and they did five times.
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- We got the call that there was
a shooting on - Baronne Street.
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The thing that
distinguished the crime scene
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was the amount of violence that,
that occurred.
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- Remnants of blood,
bullet holes in the side - of the house.
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The suspect just kept firing his gun,
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every bullet in the weapon that he had.
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And he lay there as the ambulance
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approached,
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and, and the police officers,
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he said "why did they have to shoot me?"
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He was then transported
to Charity Hospital where
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he was pronounced dead.
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And my father collapsed
and had a heart attack.
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And coded blue and I'll never forget
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that night as long as I live.
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It was all over the news
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as soon as it happened,
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it's a tremendous amount of publicity.
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It's been a great shock to us.
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Ray Liuzza Sr, a well known member
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of the community,
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was able to recover from his heart attack
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and went public to find his son's killer.
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Time is a great cure of all
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and as time goes on
we will be able to adjust,
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but nothing will replace
the loss of our son.
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The Liuzza's set up a $15,000 reward
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for information
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leading to the arrest and conviction,
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of their son's killer.
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But a month went by and police struggled
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to find any solid leads,
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until one night,
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a local fence, named Richard Perkins,
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contacted the Liuzza family.
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Perkins claimed he had the murder weapon.
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He said it had been given
to him by a man named
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John Thompson.
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John Thompson was a low-level drug dealer
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and fence
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grew up in the projects in New Orleans.
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Was raised mostly by his grandmother.
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His father was a career criminal.
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- Richard Perkins confronted
Mr.Thompson after the fact - and got
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Mr. Thompson to confess
that he was the one that
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killed Mr. Liuzza.
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Perkins said Thompson
also had an accomplice
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named Kevin Freeman.
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Police arrested both Freeman and Thompson.
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The story that Kevin
Freeman told police was that
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he and John Thompson had
been driving home together
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and the car had run out of gas.
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Ray Liuzza drove past them,
parked and began to walk
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across the street to his apartment.
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At that point,
John Thompson turned to him and said,
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- "I'm going to hit that guy,"
and pulled a gun - out of his pocket.
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And then, Mr. Freeman got cold feet,
if you will.
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And decided he didn't
want to be a part of it.
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And as he was running away, Freeman said
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he heard the shots.
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The police charged Freeman and Thompson
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with murder.
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- The local prosecutor wanted
the death penalty - for Thompson,
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But knew it would be an uphill battle
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because Thompson had never been convicted
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of a violent crime.
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That was about to change.
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On December 28th, 1984,
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19 year-old, Jay LaGarde,
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- his sister Mimi, who was 16 and
their younger brother - who was 12
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Went to the Superdome
for a college basketball
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tournament.
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- After the game, as they were getting
- in the car,
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A African American man jumped
into the backseat, pulled out
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a .357 magnum
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- and said, "I'm taking your car, I want
your wallet, I want - your valuables."
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Jay was instructed to drive away
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from the Superdome.
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- Rather than do that, he did
something that was - either very brave
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Or very stupid and deliberately caused
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a car accident.
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The carjacker then
leapt forward with the gun
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- and Jay turned around and met him
- and they had a fight.
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Jay is pressed with his back
against the driver's side door
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and manages to kick
the carjacker with his face
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and out through the passenger side door.
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The carjacker, obviously injured,
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drops the gun and gets away.
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That crime remained unsolved
until pictures of Thompson
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appeared in the paper for
the murder of Ray Liuzza.
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When Thompson's photo appeared, all three
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of the LaGarde children
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identified John Thompson as their attacker.
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Thompson went on
trial for the carjacking first
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- because prosecutors knew that a
conviction would - make him more likely
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To receive the death
penalty for the Liuzza murder.
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- This was in keeping with the policies
- of long term,
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District attorney for Orleans Parish,
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Harry Connick Sr,
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father of the famous
musician Harry Connick Jr.
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During Connick Sr.'s
nearly three-decade tenure,
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his office handled upwards of 30,000 cases
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and often faced accusations
of hard-line tactics.
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Harry Connick was tough on crime.
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- In death penalty cases, I don't
think Harry - would have offered a deal.
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Harry would have said,
"No, you can't have it."
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'Cause he was very aggressive and he wanted
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to lock them all up forever.
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Connick's lead prosecutor
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was Jim Williams.
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Jim took great pride in
his numerous death penalty
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convictions.
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He even kept a miniature
electric chair on his desk.
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- Jim was regarded as one of the most aggressive
prosecutors in - the District Attorney's Office.
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He described sliding up behind defendants
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in the courtroom and
buzzing in their ears to mimic
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the buzz of electricity.
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Thompson's carjacking trial lasted
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only two days.
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The testimony of the LaGarde
children was enough to convict
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Thompson of armed robbery.
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He was given the maximum sentence.
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Your heart just stopped beating
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for a minute, you know.
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That was my first conviction.
But he gave me the maximum,
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Forty nine and a half years.
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I realized that I was in some
serious trouble then for sure,
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because now,
now we gonna go to the murder trial.
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At the murder trial,
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both Kevin Freeman
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and Richard Perkins testified
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that Thompson killed Ray
Liuzza and since Thompson
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had no alibi,
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- even his defense attorney
thought the situation - smelled bad.
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- As you know, I can't make
chicken salad out of - chicken.
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The facts are the facts,
the case is the case.
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With the publicity,
the nature of the crime,
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- the black on white, we were one
foot in the grave - and the other foot
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On a banana peel when
we went in that courtroom.
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If Thompson took the stand
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n his own defense,
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Jim Williams would be able to bring up
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the carjacking conviction.
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- I couldn't defend myself because the first
question - you would ask me on the stand,
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"Have I been convicted for
anything?" I'd have to say yes.
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"For what?" I'd have to say robbery.
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And so my lawyers advised me
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not to take the stand on my own behalf,
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although we wanted to.
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The jury convicted Thompson of killing
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Ray Liuzza within two hours.
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During sentencing,
the prosecution was able to use
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Thompson's carjacking conviction to argue
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for the death penalty.
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The State called the carjacking victim,
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in her little catholic school uniform
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and she told a chilling story
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of how the person that carjacked them
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was holding a gun to the brother's head.
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- And she just knew both of them
were gonna be - murdered together.
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And she was never gonna see her family.
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"And that's the guy who did it.
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"And there's no question in my mind".
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And with that, the jury decided that
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Mr. Thompson deserved to die.
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He killed this man and he almost killed
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these three kids.
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So they decide to sentence me to death
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for a crime I didn't do.
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John Thompson was sitting on death row
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at Angola State Penitentiary
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awaiting his execution
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when he got an unexpected call.
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JT, we found you some attorneys.
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- They from Philadelphia. It's a law firm
- from Philadelphia.
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They coming down to see you.
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The call was from a
non-profit group that devoted
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to appealing death sentences.
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I'm on death row.
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I got a date of execution.
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- Then you sending me some lawyers
saying that - they representing me.
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I'm like, "Come on, get real."
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Gordon and I normally
represent big companies
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in employment litigation,
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trade secret litigation,
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but this was my first case representing
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a criminal defendant.
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Michael Banks and Gordon Cooney were
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high-powered corporate lawyers
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with an interest in pro bono cases.
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The case itself did not suggest innocence.
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There was nothing we
read that caused us to say,
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"Wow, this guy didn't do it."
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I was skeptical of his innocence,
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but I remember feeling a very strong sense,
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from reading John's file,
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that things that happened
in John's trial were just
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fundamentally unfair.
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Banks and Cooney went
to meet their new client.
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The first time I met John Thompson
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was at the Louisiana
State Penitentiary at Angola
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and frankly,
we had a bit of a hard time communicating.
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They didn't know nothing
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about New Orleans.
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We have a criminal justice
system here that locked up
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- more people than our state penitentiary
- could hold.
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And so the first thing I asked them is,
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"Do you really understand
what you're up against?"
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Neither Michael or I had any idea in 1988
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- that we'd spend the next quarter
century working - with John Thompson.
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Michael and Gordon
began preparing an appeal.
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Their key argument was that
the prosecutions star witness,
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Richard Perkins,
had a hidden motive in the case.
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Mr. Perkins had been promised reward money
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by the prosecutors.
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And that information never made its way
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in front of the jury.
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Michael and Gordon hired Elisa Abolafia,
who knew
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New Orleans inside and out,
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as a defense investigator on the case.
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And if something smells fishy,
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there's a reason.
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Humans lie and they do things
for their own advancement
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in their careers or for some cash.
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People are very unscrupulous.
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Seeking a reward that today would be worth
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more than $30,000.
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Richard Perkins requested a meeting
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with the representative
of the Liuzza family.
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The conversation was recorded by police.
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People were paid to testify.
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You give a tip and if it
leads to a conviction, you get
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a chunk of money
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and it's very enticing.
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- Perkins received over $10,000 in
reward money immediately - after the trial
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And told by the police
not to mention the payment
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of the reward to anybody.
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Surely if Perkins is saying
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that he received the $10,000
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to do this, the jury would have thought
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different about that.
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They wouldn't even have
counted his testimony.
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Gordon and Michael filed their appeal
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in June of 1989.
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After five years of waiting,
the court finally agreed
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to hear their case.
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We were able to prove beyond any doubt
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that in fact a reward
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was promised and paid
and that the prosecutors
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failed to disclose it.
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And yet despite that
the judge said there was
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enough other evidence
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of John's guilt that the
reward issue would not
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have made a difference.
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Michael and Gordon appealed the decision
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to the US District court,
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the 5th Circuit Court
of Appeals and finally
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the US Supreme Court.
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They all denied the appeal.
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Matters became desperate.
Now we had no more
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appeals or challenges.
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On April 19th of 1999 the
final death warrant was issued.
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We had struck out. We had failed,
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and he was going to die.
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The state set an execution date.
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We drove over to Angola.
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- John came into the room. We
didn't tell him - we'd be coming,
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But he knew why we were there.
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And he looked at us and he said,
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"What's the date?"
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We looked at him and said,
"John, it's uh... May 20th."
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which was basically a month off.
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I've been around death row at that time
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long enough to understand
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- what was going on. I was like, "Wow,
- I'm... this is my turn.
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"This is my time." And so,
I was trying to be strong.
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I was trying to, like,
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understand what's getting ready to happen.
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I'm getting' ready to die
for a crime I did not commit.
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Boy, anxiety kicked in. I didn't know how
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to accept the reality
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that they're getting ready to kill me.
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And then John did a
really remarkable thing.
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He said, "My youngest son,
John Jr is the first person
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in my family
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"who's going to graduate from high school,
on May 21st.
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"Will you please go to his
graduation and make sure
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he's okay after I'm gone?"
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And then he spent the
next 20 minutes trying
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to make us feel better.
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It was not,
"How could you let this happen to me?"
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It's not,
"What are you gonna do to save my life?"
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It was about making
us feel better about what
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we had done for him
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and making sure his son was gonna be okay.
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That's the kind of guy John Thompson is.
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We were mostly silent
on the way from Angola
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to New Orleans.
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There was very little to be said.
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On the way, Gordon checked his voicemail.
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Gordon had a message from Elisa Abolafia
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So they're driving very solemnly like,
It's over.
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As they're exiting Angola and they had no
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cellphone coverage
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for miles and miles and miles.
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- And I of course, calling their office
- in Philadelphia.
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Just berserk. I'm going nuts.
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There on my voicemail
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was a message from Elisa,
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saying, "I found something very important.
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"I think this is really
big. You have to call me
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right away."
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End of message.
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This city is like, the perfect storm
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for lots of crime.
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There's a lot of poverty.
There's a lot of corruption.
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There's a lot of drunk tourists.
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- There was so much crime in the
paper and in the news - on a regular basis,
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I actually never paid
attention to the murder of
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Ray Liuzza Jr.,
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until Michael Banks and Gordon Cooney
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contacted me.
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With John Thompson scheduled to be executed
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in less than a month,
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defense investigator
Elisa Abolafia desperately
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searched for answers.
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I, of course, was a complete nervous wreck,
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because John was facing an execution date,
May 20th.
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So I began with the carjacking case.
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First, I read the police report.
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In 1985, John Thompson was convicted of
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carjacking three teenagers at gunpoint.
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- Without that conviction Thompson
would have - been much less likely to get
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The death sentence for the murder.
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Elisa found reports from the first officer
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to respond to the carjacking scene,
Warren Pope.
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When we got there two cars were involved
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in a traffic accident
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and I noticed some spots of like fresh,
wet blood on one of
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the victim's shoes.
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- There was also some blood on one of his pants legs.
- He was uninjured
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And so was his brother and sister.
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So we assumed that it
was the perpetrators blood.
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Police files confirmed the carjackers blood
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had been recovered from the victim's pants.
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But Elisa wondered why
that evidence had never been
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introduced at trial.
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So I went to the evidence room
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and I see that the pants were checked out
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by one of the DA's and not returned.
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I'm like, "Hello?"
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If they were so sure that John Thompson
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was the carjacker
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you would have tested his blood and gone,
"Ta-da,"
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- waved your crime lab report around the courtroom.
- That would have been your nail.
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- So I knew that something was
going on that was - very unscrupulous
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And was deliberate, deliberate.
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The defense was never told that the blood
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had been tested.
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So that revealed quite a bit
about the prosecutors who had
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been handling Thompson's case.
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So my next move is to go to the crime lab
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and you know, act kind of blase.
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- You can't tip off people that
work for the - police department
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That you're onto something naughty.
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I just go in and go, "I need to see uh...
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this old report, please."
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I then get the crime lab report,
which tells me that
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the blood type is blood B.
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We were incredibly excited
because we now knew the
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perpetrator had type B blood.
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But we didn't know what
John's blood type was.
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So what we did first was we called John.
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My blood type? I say, "I don't know."
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They say,
"You don't know your own blood type?" No.
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They say um,
"You think your mama know?" I say
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"I dunno, call her and ask!"
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- I spoke to his mother,
please tell me you know - his blood type.
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"No I don't."
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So I'm racking my brain.
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- I ask John,"Did you ever have
surgery at any time - of your life?
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- "'Cause if you did they had
to draw your blood - and test it.
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- "'Yes, when I was a teenager, I was at Charity Hospital.'"
- I'm like, thank goodness.
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Again, scramble, scramble, scramble.
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- Go to my connection there who
was the director - of the records room.
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- I said, "Three weeks from now,
this man is going - to be executed.
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"It is a matter of life and death.
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"Please dig it up for me." And she did.
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The hospital records showed that
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Thompson had blood type O.
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It was a smoking gun. It
demonstrated that Thompson
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was innocent of the
carjacking beyond question.
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And there's no question
that the prosecution
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had a clear obligation
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to turn over evidence that's favorable
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to the defense.
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00:20:17,550 --> 00:20:19,552
The carjacking victims had clearly
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misidentified Thompson.
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Eye witness testimony is so unreliable
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and the more traumatic
the event is that they witness,
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the more likely it is that
they're gonna be wrong
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in their recollections
and their identifications.
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With clear evidence of
prosecutorial misconduct,
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Michael and Gordon
now felt they had no choice
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but to go after the
legendary district attorney
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of Orleans parish,
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Harry Connick Sr.
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Harry Connick Senior was certainly
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an iconic figure.
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He was a big fan of jazz
music and actually had a regular
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singing gig in New Orleans.
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- But he also was thought of as
being fairly aggressive - as well.
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- It was a stated policy in his
office to provide - the defense
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- the minimum amount of information
required by law, - and nothing more.
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We talked about the
right way to handle this.
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And rather than hold
a big press conference,
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- and point the finger at the district
attorney's office, - we thought that
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The right first step was to
go to Mr. Connick himself.
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Connick's reaction initially was that
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he wanted sometime to think about it.
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We told him that he had a matter of two,
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maybe three hours.
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We've got an execution
date in less than two weeks.
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And we said,
"If you can't agree even with these facts,
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"we'll, you know, take the next step that
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we think is appropriate."
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Mr. Connick realized he had no alternative.
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The evidence was all too clear.
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It was physically and
scientifically impossible
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for Thompson to have been the carjacker.
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Michael, Gordon, and Connick met with
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Judge Patrick Quinlan,
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who had presided over
both of Thompson's trials.
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Upon learning of the hidden blood evidence,
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Judge Quinlan grew furious with Connick.
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- And he said he was going to
hold a hearing - in open court
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To try to determine exactly
how this had happened.
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He wanted all the citizens
of New Orleans to see.
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At the hearing,
attorneys questioned the key
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prosecutors involved
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with Thompson's case,
including Jim Williams,
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the man with the little
electric chair on his desk.
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A colleague testified
that Williams was given
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the blood results.
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But Williams denied it.
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- Williams's story is that he never
received it, - that he never saw it.
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- And so at the end of the day, the choice
is between - dishonesty and incompetence.
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They can either be the prosecutors who knew
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that evidence
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- was being withheld in their case,
or they can be - the prosecutors
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Who weren't in charge of their cases when
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a man's life was on the line.
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Visibly upset,
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Judge Quinlan overturned Thompson's
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carjacking conviction,
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he also ordered a stay of execution
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and ordered Connick
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to turn over every file
on record to Michael
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and Gordon.
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That was the first time
we really got a full look
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into the district attorney's
files in the murder case
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against John Thompson.
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And it was a moment
that Gordon and I looked
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at each other and said,
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"He's really innocent.
He did not kill Ray Liuzza.
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He was not there."
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We knew who the murderer was.
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We knew how it happened
for the very first time.
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John Thompson had been
on death row at Angola
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State Prison for 14 years.
512
00:23:34,914 --> 00:23:37,124
By 1999, Michael and Gordon
513
00:23:37,166 --> 00:23:39,286
had proved Thompson had not committed
514
00:23:39,335 --> 00:23:41,495
the carjacking outside the superdome,
515
00:23:41,545 --> 00:23:44,755
but they had yet to prove
their client was innocent
516
00:23:44,798 --> 00:23:48,638
of killing 34-year-old
Ray Liuzza in cold blood.
517
00:23:48,677 --> 00:23:51,347
However, material Michael and Gordon
518
00:23:51,389 --> 00:23:54,139
finally received from the
New Orleans DA's office
519
00:23:54,183 --> 00:23:56,433
provided ample grounds for appeal.
520
00:23:56,476 --> 00:23:58,143
The daily police reports showed
521
00:23:58,167 --> 00:23:59,856
us that these witnesses,
522
00:23:59,897 --> 00:24:02,854
Freeman and Perkins,
had told very, very different stories
523
00:24:02,878 --> 00:24:05,857
in 1985 before the trial as
524
00:24:05,903 --> 00:24:08,863
as compared to what they
said on the witness stand.
525
00:24:08,906 --> 00:24:12,736
And we began to see how
their stories were contrived
526
00:24:12,785 --> 00:24:16,075
to secure a conviction of an innocent man.
527
00:24:16,122 --> 00:24:18,354
There were numerous pieces of evidence
528
00:24:18,378 --> 00:24:20,632
inconsistent with John's guilt,
529
00:24:20,667 --> 00:24:23,439
were consistent with Freeman's guilt
530
00:24:23,463 --> 00:24:26,257
and that showed that Freeman
531
00:24:26,299 --> 00:24:28,276
had lied at trial in his testimony
532
00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:30,299
on behalf of the state.
533
00:24:30,344 --> 00:24:32,431
After testifying that he saw Thompson
534
00:24:32,455 --> 00:24:34,564
murder Ray Liuzza,
535
00:24:34,598 --> 00:24:37,370
Kevin Freeman was given
a plea deal and only served
536
00:24:37,394 --> 00:24:40,188
10 months in prison.
537
00:24:40,229 --> 00:24:43,729
We also received leads
from the police reports
538
00:24:43,774 --> 00:24:46,864
about potential witnesses
who would be helpful.
539
00:24:46,902 --> 00:24:50,389
- There was a woman who lived
across the street - from Mr. Liuzza
540
00:24:50,448 --> 00:24:53,198
And she got a very good
look at the perpetrator.
541
00:24:53,242 --> 00:24:57,332
Miss Kelly and other witnesses testified,
they saw a man,
542
00:24:57,371 --> 00:25:00,018
with a blue steel revolver,
six feet tall with close-cut
543
00:25:00,042 --> 00:25:02,711
hair running past them.
544
00:25:02,751 --> 00:25:05,841
John Thompson was 5'8" with a big,
bushy afro.
545
00:25:05,879 --> 00:25:08,566
Kevin Freeman was six feet
tall went by the nickname 'Kojak'
546
00:25:08,590 --> 00:25:11,299
because of his close-cut hair.
547
00:25:11,344 --> 00:25:13,846
Once all the evidence was examined,
it was clear
548
00:25:13,870 --> 00:25:16,394
beyond imagination
549
00:25:16,432 --> 00:25:21,402
that Kevin Freeman acting
alone murdered Ray Liuzza.
550
00:25:21,437 --> 00:25:24,689
Michael and Gordon now
believed they had a strong
551
00:25:24,713 --> 00:25:27,987
case for a new trial.
552
00:25:28,027 --> 00:25:29,694
We had an evidentiary hearing
553
00:25:29,718 --> 00:25:31,407
in front of Judge Quinlan.
554
00:25:31,447 --> 00:25:34,617
And Quinlan vacated the death sentence.
555
00:25:34,658 --> 00:25:38,828
But he refused to vacate guilt.
556
00:25:38,871 --> 00:25:42,921
Judge Quinlan refused to grant
a new trial. We were devastated.
557
00:25:42,958 --> 00:25:44,955
Yes, it was wonderful to
have John Thompson spared
558
00:25:44,979 --> 00:25:46,998
from execution,
559
00:25:47,046 --> 00:25:50,716
but we were still looking
at a man in his 30s
560
00:25:50,757 --> 00:25:52,529
who was going to be facing the rest
561
00:25:52,553 --> 00:25:54,347
of his life in jail.
562
00:25:56,889 --> 00:26:00,536
- So you gonna take the death penalty
back and give me - a life sentence.
563
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,980
I was scared to death, even more so now.
564
00:26:04,021 --> 00:26:06,231
You telling' me I'll never go home again?
565
00:26:06,273 --> 00:26:07,773
That didn't give me no relief.
566
00:26:07,816 --> 00:26:10,736
None whatsoever. I was doomed.
567
00:26:16,742 --> 00:26:19,832
Michael and Gordon
appealed the Judge's decision.
568
00:26:19,870 --> 00:26:21,747
They knew this would be
Thompson's last chance
569
00:26:21,771 --> 00:26:23,670
for a new trial.
570
00:26:23,707 --> 00:26:26,934
- John was going to go free or
spend the rest - of his life in prison.
571
00:26:27,002 --> 00:26:29,632
Our arguments were basically two fold.
572
00:26:29,671 --> 00:26:31,713
First,
that carjacking conviction had been used
573
00:26:31,737 --> 00:26:33,801
to keep John
574
00:26:33,842 --> 00:26:37,079
- from being able to testify in his
own defense - in the murder case.
575
00:26:37,137 --> 00:26:40,324
- And secondly, we argued that all of
the evidence - that we had amassed
576
00:26:40,391 --> 00:26:42,243
Had shown that John Thompson was innocent
577
00:26:42,267 --> 00:26:44,141
of the Liuzza murder.
578
00:26:44,186 --> 00:26:46,728
Michael and Gordon filed their appeal
579
00:26:46,752 --> 00:26:49,316
in February of 2002.
580
00:26:49,358 --> 00:26:51,938
Five months later,
they received the decision.
581
00:26:51,985 --> 00:26:54,462
- I'll never forget it. A reporter called
- and said,
582
00:26:54,530 --> 00:26:56,780
"What do you think about this decision?"
583
00:26:56,823 --> 00:26:58,825
And I asked her to
read it to me and I said,
584
00:26:58,849 --> 00:27:00,873
"Skip to the end. Skip to end."
585
00:27:00,911 --> 00:27:02,411
The last line read
586
00:27:02,455 --> 00:27:05,785
"Conviction and Sentence reversed."
587
00:27:05,832 --> 00:27:07,709
I called Gordon into my office. I couldn't
588
00:27:07,733 --> 00:27:09,632
get the words out.
589
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:14,009
I remember. It was July
17th at 4:30 in the afternoon.
590
00:27:14,049 --> 00:27:17,316
- I... it was... I was tongue tied. I said, "No...
- new... new... new..."
591
00:27:17,386 --> 00:27:19,806
I... I couldn't... he said, "New trial?"
592
00:27:19,846 --> 00:27:23,766
I said, "Yes." We hugged. We were ecstatic.
593
00:27:23,809 --> 00:27:26,996
- But as Michael and Gordon began preparing
- for the retrial
594
00:27:27,062 --> 00:27:30,612
They got an unsolicited
offer form the DA's office.
595
00:27:30,648 --> 00:27:32,648
Harry Connick Sr. had retired,
596
00:27:32,692 --> 00:27:34,734
and the new DA had run for office on
597
00:27:34,758 --> 00:27:36,822
an anti-corruption campaign.
598
00:27:36,863 --> 00:27:39,533
Now, he wanted to make a deal.
599
00:27:39,575 --> 00:27:41,427
The district attorney's
office was not really
600
00:27:41,451 --> 00:27:43,325
eager to go and try
601
00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:46,660
this case again based on
the evidence as it then existed.
602
00:27:46,706 --> 00:27:50,286
John could plead to some lesser offense
603
00:27:50,336 --> 00:27:53,256
and be immediately released from prison.
604
00:27:53,297 --> 00:27:58,087
I'm like, "Hell no. I'm not
pleading guilty to nothing.
605
00:27:58,135 --> 00:28:00,545
"After all this stuff we did prove,
606
00:28:00,596 --> 00:28:02,763
"these people still trying
to make me plead guilty
607
00:28:02,787 --> 00:28:04,976
to something I didn't do."
608
00:28:05,017 --> 00:28:08,097
A jury got it wrong twice before,
609
00:28:08,145 --> 00:28:10,225
there was some risk that a jury
610
00:28:10,272 --> 00:28:13,379
- would get it wrong again no
matter how strong - the evidence was.
611
00:28:13,442 --> 00:28:16,452
Much as we were
convinced of John's innocence
612
00:28:16,487 --> 00:28:18,484
we had to think about
getting him out of jail
613
00:28:18,508 --> 00:28:20,527
as our first priority.
614
00:28:20,574 --> 00:28:22,826
Michael and them was like,
"John. We not talking to you
615
00:28:22,850 --> 00:28:25,124
no more as attorneys.
616
00:28:25,162 --> 00:28:27,332
"We getting ready to
talk to you as a friend.
617
00:28:27,373 --> 00:28:29,753
"We can't control the mind of 12 people.
618
00:28:29,791 --> 00:28:32,171
"We can only present them the facts.
619
00:28:32,211 --> 00:28:34,668
"If 12 members come
back and say you're guilty,
620
00:28:34,692 --> 00:28:37,171
could you handle that?
621
00:28:38,300 --> 00:28:40,340
"Is it fair on your ma'?
622
00:28:40,386 --> 00:28:42,256
"Is it fair on your children?
623
00:28:42,304 --> 00:28:45,274
"On one hand, you could walk out that door.
624
00:28:45,307 --> 00:28:47,199
"On the other hand, you might stay here
625
00:28:47,223 --> 00:28:49,137
the rest of your life.
626
00:28:49,186 --> 00:28:52,913
- "So, before you make a quick decision
like that, why don't - you think about it?"
627
00:29:03,576 --> 00:29:05,486
In April of 2003,
628
00:29:05,536 --> 00:29:08,473
- John Thompson faced the decision whether
- to plead guilty
629
00:29:08,539 --> 00:29:11,999
And walk away from prison,
or stand trial and risk
630
00:29:12,042 --> 00:29:14,212
the rest of his life behind bars.
631
00:29:14,253 --> 00:29:16,400
I'm like, "Man,
I didn't kill nobody. I'm not pleading
632
00:29:16,424 --> 00:29:18,593
guilty to nothing.
633
00:29:18,632 --> 00:29:23,012
So I got on the phone My mom said,"Baby,
I want you home.
634
00:29:23,053 --> 00:29:25,470
"I don't care what them
people say. I know you ain't
635
00:29:25,494 --> 00:29:27,933
do it. I want you home."
636
00:29:27,974 --> 00:29:29,766
So I called the attorneys and say,
"Come on.
637
00:29:29,790 --> 00:29:31,604
Let's do it.
638
00:29:31,645 --> 00:29:33,515
"It's time for me to be with my family."
639
00:29:35,357 --> 00:29:38,027
Gordon and I went down to New Orleans
640
00:29:38,068 --> 00:29:40,090
to be there when John
got out of jail to have
641
00:29:40,114 --> 00:29:42,158
our big celebration.
642
00:29:42,197 --> 00:29:43,759
I was figuring out where
643
00:29:43,783 --> 00:29:45,367
John was going to go
644
00:29:45,409 --> 00:29:47,079
after he was released from prison.
645
00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:50,226
- And a criminal defense lawyer
walked into the - conference room where
646
00:29:50,289 --> 00:29:52,081
I was working,
and all the color had drained
647
00:29:52,105 --> 00:29:53,919
out of his face.
648
00:29:53,959 --> 00:29:57,896
- And he said "The district
attorney's office has pulled - the deal."
649
00:29:57,963 --> 00:30:00,740
- We had thought John was
walking out of jail - the next day.
650
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:03,469
This was five days
before the trial was to start.
651
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:06,970
And the DA. said,
"No deal. We go to trial."
652
00:30:07,013 --> 00:30:10,620
- As it turned out, the victim's
family had learned - of the plea deal
653
00:30:10,684 --> 00:30:13,604
And voiced their objections
to the district attorney.
654
00:30:13,646 --> 00:30:15,603
Michael and I go to the
prison and John again,
655
00:30:15,627 --> 00:30:17,606
put on a very brave face
656
00:30:17,650 --> 00:30:20,900
and he said, "You know,
I didn't want that plea.
657
00:30:20,944 --> 00:30:24,301
- "It was going to hang over my head
over my head - for the rest of my life.
658
00:30:24,364 --> 00:30:27,954
"I didn't do this,
you guys are going to win this case."
659
00:30:27,993 --> 00:30:30,430
"But we've just lost four days
of preparation because we
660
00:30:30,454 --> 00:30:32,913
thought there was no trial."
661
00:30:32,956 --> 00:30:35,746
We need some more
time to prepare for the case.
662
00:30:35,793 --> 00:30:38,780
- And he said, "You won't do
that. We're gonna - win this case.
663
00:30:38,837 --> 00:30:43,337
"I can't spend another day in this place."
664
00:30:43,383 --> 00:30:45,695
As we walked down a very
long corridor we turned around
665
00:30:45,719 --> 00:30:48,053
and looked back.
666
00:30:48,096 --> 00:30:50,886
And there was John
with his head in his hands.
667
00:30:50,932 --> 00:30:55,272
He thought he was getting
out of jail the next day.
668
00:30:55,312 --> 00:30:59,442
And now he found out
that he had to stand trial
669
00:30:59,483 --> 00:31:03,033
with a risk of spending
the rest of his life in prison.
670
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:11,080
On the morning of May 7th, 2003,
671
00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:13,459
John Thompson stood before the same judge
672
00:31:13,497 --> 00:31:16,079
in the same courtroom where
he'd been sentenced to death
673
00:31:16,103 --> 00:31:18,707
18 years earlier.
674
00:31:18,752 --> 00:31:22,649
- But Michael and Gordon had a problem,
they couldn't - attack the damaging
675
00:31:22,715 --> 00:31:24,715
Testimony of Kevin Freeman,
676
00:31:24,758 --> 00:31:27,678
the man they believed murdered Ray Liuzza.
677
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:33,310
Freeman was shot dead in
1995 while committing a robbery.
678
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:35,202
With Freeman dead, his previous
679
00:31:35,226 --> 00:31:37,100
testimony stood as evidence
680
00:31:37,145 --> 00:31:40,185
that Thompson had
committed the Liuzza murder.
681
00:31:40,232 --> 00:31:42,112
We had all this evidence
682
00:31:42,150 --> 00:31:44,820
that Freeman had lied
in his original testimony
683
00:31:44,862 --> 00:31:48,072
and we wouldn't be able to
use that evidence effectively
684
00:31:48,114 --> 00:31:51,624
if we couldn't cross-examine
him live on the stand.
685
00:31:51,660 --> 00:31:53,367
Michael and Gordon proposed
686
00:31:53,391 --> 00:31:55,120
an unorthodox solution.
687
00:31:55,163 --> 00:31:57,883
After Freeman's testimony
was read into the record,
688
00:31:57,916 --> 00:32:00,836
they would cross-examine
the empty witness chair
689
00:32:00,878 --> 00:32:03,548
as if Freeman was on the stand.
690
00:32:03,589 --> 00:32:06,506
We took evidence of the
lies and put them into the form
691
00:32:06,530 --> 00:32:09,469
of questions.
692
00:32:09,511 --> 00:32:12,073
You told the jury you didn't
know that John Thompson
693
00:32:12,097 --> 00:32:14,681
was going out to rob someone.
694
00:32:14,725 --> 00:32:16,702
Isn't it true, however that you set out
695
00:32:16,726 --> 00:32:18,725
to rob someone?
696
00:32:18,771 --> 00:32:20,648
Silence hung in the air after each question
697
00:32:20,672 --> 00:32:22,571
was posed,
698
00:32:22,608 --> 00:32:26,108
giving the jury time to
imagine Freeman's response.
699
00:32:26,152 --> 00:32:28,412
You suggested in your testimony
700
00:32:28,447 --> 00:32:30,907
that you stole nothing
from Mr. Liuzza at all.
701
00:32:30,949 --> 00:32:35,016
- But you admitted you stole all of
Mr. Liuzza's property, - didn't you?
702
00:32:35,078 --> 00:32:39,225
- We asked a series of questions like that,
culminating - in the final one,
703
00:32:39,291 --> 00:32:41,478
Which was, "Isn't it true,
Mr. Freeman, that you
704
00:32:41,502 --> 00:32:43,711
and you alone
705
00:32:43,754 --> 00:32:45,764
"murdered Ray Liuzza?"
706
00:32:45,798 --> 00:32:48,168
The jury knew where we were coming from
707
00:32:48,216 --> 00:32:51,773
- and they were able to see the lies
in Kevin Freeman's - original story.
708
00:32:54,431 --> 00:32:55,763
Informant Richard Perkins
709
00:32:55,787 --> 00:32:57,141
also took the stand.
710
00:32:57,183 --> 00:33:00,773
This time, his testimony was
devastating to the prosecution.
711
00:33:00,813 --> 00:33:02,210
Perkins admitted that
712
00:33:02,234 --> 00:33:03,653
one of the prosecutors
713
00:33:03,690 --> 00:33:06,150
put him in a room with Kevin Freeman
714
00:33:06,192 --> 00:33:09,679
- before they testified at the
original criminal - murder trial
715
00:33:09,738 --> 00:33:12,778
And said,
"You guys get your story straight."
716
00:33:12,825 --> 00:33:15,637
Perkins also admitted receiving $10,500
717
00:33:15,661 --> 00:33:18,495
after Thompson was convicted.
718
00:33:18,538 --> 00:33:22,378
We were able to show why
Perkins implicated Thompson.
719
00:33:22,417 --> 00:33:26,207
Perkins was a street kid who
needed money desperately.
720
00:33:26,254 --> 00:33:28,974
He saw a chance for more
money than he had ever seen
721
00:33:29,007 --> 00:33:31,089
or imagined in any one place in 1985
722
00:33:31,113 --> 00:33:33,217
and he went for it.
723
00:33:33,261 --> 00:33:35,891
And for the first time in 18 years,
724
00:33:35,931 --> 00:33:38,433
John Thompson was
finally able to take the stand
725
00:33:38,457 --> 00:33:40,981
and proclaim his innocence.
726
00:33:41,019 --> 00:33:43,559
You could hear a pin
drop. I mean literally.
727
00:33:43,605 --> 00:33:47,525
He finally had a chance
to explain to a jury
728
00:33:47,567 --> 00:33:49,567
why he had the murder weapon.
729
00:33:49,611 --> 00:33:51,568
John Thompson's testimony
730
00:33:51,592 --> 00:33:53,571
was that he did have the gun,
731
00:33:53,615 --> 00:33:56,445
but he had bought that from Kevin Freeman.
732
00:33:56,493 --> 00:33:58,995
Kevin Freeman sold the
murder weapon to an unwitting
733
00:33:59,019 --> 00:34:01,543
John Thompson.
734
00:34:01,581 --> 00:34:03,563
John was involved in
buying and selling some
735
00:34:03,587 --> 00:34:05,591
stolen property.
736
00:34:05,627 --> 00:34:07,707
It's not something he's proud of.
737
00:34:07,754 --> 00:34:09,401
I was a dope dealer. He was
738
00:34:09,425 --> 00:34:11,094
a burglar, he was a robber
739
00:34:11,132 --> 00:34:14,319
- and you wanted dope. You need to bring me
- some type of collateral.
740
00:34:14,386 --> 00:34:16,636
They were bringing' me TVs, guns, jewelry.
741
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,367
That was a part of a drug trade.
742
00:34:18,391 --> 00:34:20,100
Being a fence.
743
00:34:20,141 --> 00:34:22,271
I'm sorry, that's how that I came about,
744
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:26,110
being in possession of the murder weapon.
745
00:34:26,147 --> 00:34:28,064
The defense rested and the case was handed
746
00:34:28,088 --> 00:34:30,027
over to the jury.
747
00:34:30,068 --> 00:34:33,198
The jury get up and they leave
with your fate in their hands.
748
00:34:33,238 --> 00:34:34,885
And you try to smile, while they leaving
749
00:34:34,909 --> 00:34:36,578
all them passing right by you.
750
00:34:36,616 --> 00:34:39,423
- All them looking you in your face, like,
- for the last time.
751
00:34:39,494 --> 00:34:41,206
The pressure was enormous. It was almost
752
00:34:41,230 --> 00:34:42,964
like you couldn't breathe.
753
00:34:42,998 --> 00:34:46,515
- There is a lot of nervous energy
and small talk - that goes on.
754
00:34:46,585 --> 00:34:48,707
But before we could sit
down and order food the jury
755
00:34:48,731 --> 00:34:50,875
reached their decision.
756
00:34:50,923 --> 00:34:53,655
Boy, I was so scared because I say,
"What? They did that...
757
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:56,433
what... how"
758
00:34:56,469 --> 00:34:58,446
The jury took only 35 minutes
759
00:34:58,470 --> 00:35:00,469
to agree on a verdict.
760
00:35:00,515 --> 00:35:04,112
- So the jury files back in. And
whenever a jury - comes back,
761
00:35:04,185 --> 00:35:07,515
You're looking at every juror,
trying to look for some hint.
762
00:35:07,564 --> 00:35:09,904
And it seems like an eternity.
763
00:35:09,942 --> 00:35:13,112
And the heart, meanwhile now,
is racing faster
764
00:35:13,152 --> 00:35:15,114
and faster and breathing
is becoming increasingly
765
00:35:15,138 --> 00:35:17,122
challenging.
766
00:35:17,156 --> 00:35:21,423
- This was the most agonizing moment
either of us had ever - had in our careers
767
00:35:21,494 --> 00:35:23,294
And in our personal lives.
768
00:35:23,329 --> 00:35:26,499
Then the judge asked that
the verdict be read aloud.
769
00:35:35,216 --> 00:35:37,258
The retrial of John Thompson
770
00:35:37,282 --> 00:35:39,346
lasted only a day and a half.
771
00:35:39,387 --> 00:35:43,347
The jury took 35 minutes
to return their verdict.
772
00:35:43,391 --> 00:35:45,893
When the jury come back
the judge asked them, "Have
773
00:35:45,917 --> 00:35:48,441
the jury reached a decision?"
774
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,502
And jury say, "Yes,
your honor." And then said,
775
00:35:50,526 --> 00:35:52,570
"Would the defendant rise?"
776
00:35:52,609 --> 00:35:54,046
There is incredible tension
777
00:35:54,070 --> 00:35:55,529
and nervous energy.
778
00:35:55,570 --> 00:35:58,700
You just don't know because
juries can do anything.
779
00:35:58,740 --> 00:36:01,080
Each word slows down in time.
780
00:36:01,743 --> 00:36:04,333
It's "we, the jury,
781
00:36:04,370 --> 00:36:07,540
"find the defendant, John Thompson
782
00:36:07,582 --> 00:36:09,172
"not guilty".
783
00:36:12,545 --> 00:36:14,795
I can't describe it.
784
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,380
I literally felt like I
was lifted off my chair.
785
00:36:18,426 --> 00:36:19,883
I looked around at my mom
786
00:36:19,907 --> 00:36:21,386
and my sons and them.
787
00:36:21,429 --> 00:36:25,389
The relief I felt of knowing
that I'm going home.
788
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:29,649
This is finally behind me.
789
00:36:29,688 --> 00:36:32,728
This is finally over with.
790
00:36:32,774 --> 00:36:34,994
We each gave him a big hug.
791
00:36:35,027 --> 00:36:38,697
It was uh, it was a moment.
792
00:36:46,663 --> 00:36:48,975
After 18 years in prison, John Thompson
793
00:36:48,999 --> 00:36:51,333
was finally going home.
794
00:36:51,376 --> 00:36:53,668
But aside from his freedom,
he was walking away
795
00:36:53,692 --> 00:36:56,006
with little else.
796
00:36:56,048 --> 00:36:58,548
It's a kick in the behind and $10.
797
00:36:58,591 --> 00:37:01,698
- They didn't have no compensation
available - for nobody like myself.
798
00:37:01,761 --> 00:37:05,748
- No matter how many years you do in prison,
you get out, - you got to fend for yourself.
799
00:37:05,807 --> 00:37:09,517
So we approached the district
attorney's office. And we said,
800
00:37:09,561 --> 00:37:13,441
"Look,
John lost the last 18 years of his life.
801
00:37:13,481 --> 00:37:15,753
"You all nearly executed
him eight times. You all need
802
00:37:15,777 --> 00:37:18,071
to do the right thing.
803
00:37:18,111 --> 00:37:20,403
"And we were told in no
uncertain terms that we
804
00:37:20,427 --> 00:37:22,741
could just jump in the lake."
805
00:37:22,782 --> 00:37:25,744
So we filed a lawsuit
against the New Orleans
806
00:37:25,768 --> 00:37:28,752
district attorney's office.
807
00:37:28,788 --> 00:37:31,265
They proposed a settlement
of $500,000 hoping
808
00:37:31,289 --> 00:37:33,788
to get half that amount.
809
00:37:33,835 --> 00:37:36,502
Under the United States
Constitution prosecutors are
810
00:37:36,526 --> 00:37:39,215
required to give the defendants
811
00:37:39,257 --> 00:37:41,589
evidence that is favorable
to the defense. And these
812
00:37:41,613 --> 00:37:43,967
prosecutors did not.
813
00:37:44,012 --> 00:37:46,639
Your job is to prosecute the
guy and seek a conviction.
814
00:37:46,663 --> 00:37:49,312
That's your job.
815
00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:51,372
ADA Bruce Whittaker received the
816
00:37:51,396 --> 00:37:53,440
blood report showing
817
00:37:53,479 --> 00:37:55,769
Thompson didn't commit the carjacking.
818
00:37:55,815 --> 00:37:59,105
In a deposition,
Michael asked him if prosecutors
819
00:37:59,152 --> 00:38:01,612
were obliged to disclose evidence.
820
00:38:01,654 --> 00:38:05,084
The understanding was you
disclose exculpatory evidence.
821
00:38:05,117 --> 00:38:07,827
"Exculpatory" meaning what?
822
00:38:07,869 --> 00:38:10,159
That's a good question.
I don't know if that...
823
00:38:10,205 --> 00:38:12,995
That's the kind of stuff
I think that was never,
824
00:38:13,041 --> 00:38:15,293
perhaps, clarified to the extent it should
825
00:38:15,317 --> 00:38:17,591
have been clarified.
826
00:38:17,629 --> 00:38:19,586
Was there training for prosecutors
827
00:38:19,610 --> 00:38:21,589
on what that obligation meant?
828
00:38:21,633 --> 00:38:23,973
I don't recall there ever
being training on that.
829
00:38:24,010 --> 00:38:26,260
I don't recall there being training,
period.
830
00:38:26,304 --> 00:38:28,774
Jim Williams, who prosecuted, Thompson,
831
00:38:28,807 --> 00:38:31,767
was asked who decided what
evidence would be shared.
832
00:38:31,810 --> 00:38:33,142
It was up to the attorney
833
00:38:33,166 --> 00:38:34,520
trying the case,
834
00:38:34,562 --> 00:38:36,402
we were expected to follow the rules.
835
00:38:36,439 --> 00:38:39,149
Were there any other
guidelines that you can recall
836
00:38:39,192 --> 00:38:41,742
as to how you were to
make that determination?
837
00:38:43,404 --> 00:38:45,124
No.
838
00:38:45,157 --> 00:38:46,969
When we asked the prosecutors about
839
00:38:46,993 --> 00:38:48,827
their knowledge of the law
840
00:38:48,868 --> 00:38:51,698
that requires that favorable
evidence be produced,
841
00:38:51,746 --> 00:38:53,666
they got it all wrong!
842
00:38:53,706 --> 00:38:56,126
The district attorney's
office had a handbook.
843
00:38:56,168 --> 00:38:58,248
It was flat out wrong.
844
00:38:58,295 --> 00:39:03,045
Their failures of understanding
were frankly pretty surprising.
845
00:39:10,473 --> 00:39:12,060
A jury concluded that under
846
00:39:12,084 --> 00:39:13,693
Harry Connick's leadership,
847
00:39:13,726 --> 00:39:16,596
the DA.'s office failed to
provide pertinent evidence
848
00:39:16,646 --> 00:39:20,356
and violated John
Thompson's constitutional rights.
849
00:39:20,399 --> 00:39:22,819
In 2007, the jury awarded
850
00:39:22,861 --> 00:39:25,401
John Thompson $14 million.
851
00:39:28,116 --> 00:39:29,448
But the DA.'s office
852
00:39:29,472 --> 00:39:30,826
would appeal the decision
853
00:39:30,869 --> 00:39:32,789
for the next four years.
854
00:39:32,829 --> 00:39:35,246
Meanwhile,
John Thompson transformed his life,
855
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:37,709
building an organization called
856
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:40,130
Resurrection after Exoneration
857
00:39:40,170 --> 00:39:44,010
to help exonerees
adjust to life after prison.
858
00:39:44,049 --> 00:39:46,341
He's also become a
leading spokesman against
859
00:39:46,365 --> 00:39:48,679
prosecutorial misconduct.
860
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:51,202
It's really extraordinary to
see John as a tenth grade
861
00:39:51,226 --> 00:39:53,730
high school dropout
862
00:39:53,766 --> 00:39:57,686
become a really very compelling
advocate the way he has
863
00:39:57,729 --> 00:40:00,149
taken this tragedy
that happened in his life
864
00:40:00,190 --> 00:40:02,440
and turned into it a
force for positive change.
865
00:40:04,861 --> 00:40:06,798
After years of appeals, the DA.'s office
866
00:40:06,822 --> 00:40:08,781
finally argued their case
867
00:40:08,823 --> 00:40:10,873
to the U.S. Supreme Court.
868
00:40:10,909 --> 00:40:14,199
In 2011, the bitterly divided justices
869
00:40:14,246 --> 00:40:18,956
voted 5-4 to deny the $14 million award.
870
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,527
- Five justices of the Supreme Court believed
the New Orleans - District Attorney's Office
871
00:40:23,588 --> 00:40:25,798
Could not be liable
872
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:31,010
because there was not a prior
pattern of similar misconduct.
873
00:40:31,054 --> 00:40:32,846
The majority opinion, written
874
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:34,684
by Justice Clarence Thomas,
875
00:40:34,724 --> 00:40:36,774
found that even though Connick's office
876
00:40:36,809 --> 00:40:38,899
withheld evidence in the Thompson case,
877
00:40:38,937 --> 00:40:42,147
that was not enough to prove a pattern.
878
00:40:42,190 --> 00:40:44,397
And yet a study done in
2008 reported that during Harry
879
00:40:44,421 --> 00:40:46,650
Connick Sr.'s tenure,
880
00:40:46,694 --> 00:40:48,841
in one out of every four
cases where the death
881
00:40:48,865 --> 00:40:51,034
penalty was imposed,
882
00:40:51,074 --> 00:40:52,994
evidence was withheld.
883
00:40:53,034 --> 00:40:56,914
That was crazy. If that is not a pattern,
I don't know what is.
884
00:40:56,955 --> 00:41:00,035
So who is going to get the
last laugh? Jim Williams.
885
00:41:00,083 --> 00:41:01,585
In the photo of Jim Williams with
886
00:41:01,609 --> 00:41:03,133
the electric chair
887
00:41:03,169 --> 00:41:04,879
of the five faces visible,
888
00:41:04,921 --> 00:41:07,881
all of them were released from death row.
889
00:41:07,924 --> 00:41:09,716
In my mind, we should have charged him
890
00:41:09,740 --> 00:41:11,554
with attempted murder.
891
00:41:11,594 --> 00:41:14,201
This district attorney using
false information that he know
892
00:41:14,225 --> 00:41:16,854
is false, to kill you.
893
00:41:16,891 --> 00:41:18,891
It's premeditated.
894
00:41:18,935 --> 00:41:22,662
- So we're saying that he could get away with murder?
- What make him so special?
895
00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:25,087
The only thing he was
hiding behind was district
896
00:41:25,111 --> 00:41:27,490
attorney badge.
897
00:41:27,526 --> 00:41:30,213
Unfortunately,
the Thomas opinion is the law of the land.
898
00:41:30,237 --> 00:41:32,946
And it gives me great concern.
899
00:41:32,991 --> 00:41:35,323
Make no bones about it. Prosecutors are now
900
00:41:35,347 --> 00:41:37,701
a lot less accountable
901
00:41:37,745 --> 00:41:40,287
for what they do because
they know that if they don't
902
00:41:40,311 --> 00:41:42,875
produce evidence,
903
00:41:42,917 --> 00:41:46,747
there is virtually no
sanction for them or the office.
904
00:41:46,796 --> 00:41:48,588
John Thompson's activism continues to sound
905
00:41:48,612 --> 00:41:50,426
the alarm against
906
00:41:50,467 --> 00:41:52,177
the Supreme Court decision
907
00:41:52,218 --> 00:41:53,925
and innocent people being found guilty
908
00:41:53,949 --> 00:41:55,678
and executed
909
00:41:55,721 --> 00:41:57,851
for crimes they did not commit.
910
00:41:57,890 --> 00:42:01,457
- Now, I'm thinking about my children.
The same thing - could happen to them.
911
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:04,359
A person could have that
much power over your life
912
00:42:04,397 --> 00:42:07,187
and without being hold accountable for it.
913
00:42:07,233 --> 00:42:10,613
I can throw the evidence
away and still try to kill you.
914
00:42:10,653 --> 00:42:13,993
Whether you did it or not,
without no consequences!
915
00:42:14,032 --> 00:42:15,969
That's scary. That's should
be scary to everybody
916
00:42:15,993 --> 00:42:17,952
in the whole world.
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