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There were a number of hairs on 10 00:00:26,740 --> 00:00:27,740 there were a number of hairs on the victim's bed. 11 00:00:27,740 --> 00:00:31,010 The victim's bed. >> But after a death sentence, a 12 00:00:31,010 --> 00:00:32,780 >> but after a death sentence, a law intern has her doubts. 13 00:00:32,780 --> 00:00:33,550 Law intern has her doubts. >> There was something wrong. 14 00:00:33,550 --> 00:00:35,020 >> There was something wrong. I started seeing what the lies 15 00:00:35,020 --> 00:00:37,050 I started seeing what the lies were. 16 00:00:37,050 --> 00:00:38,250 Were. >> And the case begins to 17 00:00:38,260 --> 00:00:41,270 >> and the case begins to unravel. 18 00:00:41,260 --> 00:00:43,020 Unravel. >> There are those that have a 19 00:00:43,030 --> 00:00:44,490 >> there are those that have a hidden agenda. 20 00:00:44,490 --> 00:00:46,490 Hidden agenda. >> Is it a fair trial? 21 00:00:46,500 --> 00:00:47,090 >> Is it a fair trial? >> Corruption is the theme of 22 00:00:47,100 --> 00:00:47,460 >> corruption is the theme of the day almost. 23 00:00:47,460 --> 00:00:48,100 The day almost. >> There was no way I would let 24 00:00:48,100 --> 00:00:50,030 >> there was no way I would let this case go. 25 00:00:50,030 --> 00:00:52,530 This case go. >> There's a body in the water. 26 00:00:52,540 --> 00:00:55,000 >> There's a body in the water. Murdered. 27 00:00:55,010 --> 00:00:58,050 Murdered. >> Many people proclaim their 28 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:59,740 >> many people proclaim their innocence. 29 00:00:59,740 --> 00:01:00,770 Innocence. >> In this case there are a 30 00:01:00,780 --> 00:01:03,740 >> in this case there are a number of things that stink. 31 00:01:03,750 --> 00:01:05,250 Number of things that stink. >> The electric chair flashed in 32 00:01:05,250 --> 00:01:07,010 >> the electric chair flashed in front of my eyes. 33 00:01:07,020 --> 00:01:08,750 Front of my eyes. >> Get a conviction at all 34 00:01:08,750 --> 00:01:10,250 >> get a conviction at all costs. 35 00:01:10,250 --> 00:01:18,490 Costs. Let the truth fall where it may. 36 00:01:18,500 --> 00:01:18,870 Let the truth fall where it may. >> Good evening. 37 00:01:18,860 --> 00:01:20,260 >> Good evening. Welcome to Carolina. 38 00:01:20,260 --> 00:01:21,530 Welcome to Carolina. Tonight we're coming to you from 39 00:01:21,530 --> 00:01:23,500 tonight we're coming to you from the city of greenwood, a diverse 40 00:01:23,500 --> 00:01:25,270 the city of greenwood, a diverse city and one that has the 41 00:01:25,270 --> 00:01:29,000 city and one that has the distinction of having the widest 42 00:01:29,010 --> 00:01:31,280 distinction of having the widest main street in the world. 43 00:01:31,270 --> 00:01:33,770 Main street in the world. >> Greenwood is a very small 44 00:01:33,780 --> 00:01:37,510 >> greenwood is a very small community. 45 00:01:37,510 --> 00:01:39,010 Community. Everybody seems to know 46 00:01:39,020 --> 00:01:41,020 everybody seems to know everybody. 47 00:01:41,020 --> 00:01:42,750 Everybody. We're related to everybody here. 48 00:01:42,750 --> 00:01:44,280 We're related to everybody here. It is very tight knit. 49 00:01:44,290 --> 00:01:44,920 It is very tight knit. So when the news came out about 50 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:45,790 so when the news came out about this horrendous murder, it was 51 00:01:45,790 --> 00:01:48,260 this horrendous murder, it was devastating. 52 00:01:48,260 --> 00:01:51,490 Devastating. >> On a cold Monday morning in 53 00:01:51,500 --> 00:01:54,040 >> on a cold Monday morning in 1982, the bruised and beaten 54 00:01:54,030 --> 00:01:56,000 1982, the bruised and beaten body of 75-year-old Dorothy 55 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,530 body of 75-year-old Dorothy Edwards was discovered in this 56 00:01:58,540 --> 00:02:01,780 Edwards was discovered in this upscale home. 57 00:02:01,770 --> 00:02:04,270 Upscale home. >> Dorothy Edwards, she was just 58 00:02:04,270 --> 00:02:06,510 >> Dorothy Edwards, she was just a loved woman in the community, 59 00:02:06,510 --> 00:02:08,010 a loved woman in the community, and she had been horribly 60 00:02:08,010 --> 00:02:11,510 and she had been horribly killed. 61 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:12,260 Killed. >> Dorothy was known as a 62 00:02:12,250 --> 00:02:12,880 >> Dorothy was known as a graceful and charming woman with 63 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:13,510 graceful and charming woman with a beautiful singing voice and a 64 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:14,050 a beautiful singing voice and a wonderful sense of humor. 65 00:02:14,050 --> 00:02:16,250 Wonderful sense of humor. 66 00:02:16,250 --> 00:02:28,030 >> The next door neighbor, Mr. 67 00:02:28,030 --> 00:02:29,260 >> The next door neighbor, Mr. holloway had noticed a couple of 68 00:02:29,270 --> 00:02:32,770 holloway had noticed a couple of newspapers that had piled up, 69 00:02:32,770 --> 00:02:34,500 newspapers that had piled up, and he went over to check on 70 00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:38,040 and he went over to check on her. 71 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:39,510 Her. >> On January 19th, 1982, inside 72 00:02:39,510 --> 00:02:42,510 >> on January 19th, 1982, inside the home holloway told police he 73 00:02:42,510 --> 00:02:44,780 the home holloway told police he found signs of struggle 74 00:02:44,780 --> 00:02:46,750 found signs of struggle everywhere, a heavy glass 75 00:02:46,750 --> 00:02:49,020 everywhere, a heavy glass ashtray shattered on the living 76 00:02:49,020 --> 00:02:51,250 ashtray shattered on the living room floor, a pair of bloody ice 77 00:02:51,250 --> 00:02:52,750 room floor, a pair of bloody ice tongs. 78 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:53,750 Tongs. Dorothy Edwards was found dead 79 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,020 Dorothy Edwards was found dead in her closet. 80 00:02:57,030 --> 00:03:02,260 In her closet. >> The brutality of the crime 81 00:03:02,270 --> 00:03:03,770 >> the brutality of the crime scene, the blood, the way the 82 00:03:03,770 --> 00:03:04,360 scene, the blood, the way the body was and the stab wounds 83 00:03:04,370 --> 00:03:05,000 body was and the stab wounds postmortem, it was just totally 84 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,040 postmortem, it was just totally unbelievable. 85 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:08,770 Unbelievable. >> Dorothy's body had 52 wounds, 86 00:03:08,770 --> 00:03:11,770 >> Dorothy's body had 52 wounds, 11 broken ribs and abrasions on 87 00:03:11,780 --> 00:03:16,290 11 broken ribs and abrasions on her vagina. 88 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,780 Her vagina. >> The state forensic team 89 00:03:18,780 --> 00:03:22,020 >> the state forensic team gathered what evidence was 90 00:03:22,020 --> 00:03:23,020 gathered what evidence was inside the home. 91 00:03:23,020 --> 00:03:23,780 Inside the home. Hair samples were found on the 92 00:03:23,790 --> 00:03:24,020 hair samples were found on the bed. 93 00:03:24,020 --> 00:03:24,520 Bed. Blood in various places. 94 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:25,020 Blood in various places. Outside there were some 95 00:03:25,020 --> 00:03:25,350 outside there were some fingerprints. 96 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:26,760 Fingerprints. >> A crime scene wiped clean of 97 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,020 >> a crime scene wiped clean of fingerprints, police believe the 98 00:03:28,020 --> 00:03:31,060 fingerprints, police believe the killer made a mistake, a 99 00:03:31,060 --> 00:03:31,660 killer made a mistake, a thumbprint found on the back 100 00:03:31,660 --> 00:03:34,260 thumbprint found on the back door. 101 00:03:34,260 --> 00:03:36,030 Door. Dorothy's neighbor James 102 00:03:36,030 --> 00:03:37,760 Dorothy's neighbor James holloway told police that Edward 103 00:03:37,770 --> 00:03:40,770 holloway told police that Edward Lee elmore, a 23-year-old 104 00:03:40,770 --> 00:03:43,770 Lee elmore, a 23-year-old handyman worked for Dorothy from 105 00:03:43,770 --> 00:03:45,770 handyman worked for Dorothy from time to time. 106 00:03:45,780 --> 00:03:47,280 Time to time. Although elmore had never been 107 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:48,780 although elmore had never been convicted of a felony, police 108 00:03:48,780 --> 00:03:49,380 convicted of a felony, police matched his fingerprints from 109 00:03:49,380 --> 00:03:50,740 matched his fingerprints from other misdemeanor arrests and 110 00:03:50,750 --> 00:03:53,050 other misdemeanor arrests and issued a warrant to bring him 111 00:03:53,050 --> 00:03:55,750 issued a warrant to bring him in, accusing him of murder and 112 00:03:55,750 --> 00:03:59,750 in, accusing him of murder and rape, among lesser charges. 113 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,020 Rape, among lesser charges. Greenwood police went looking 114 00:04:02,030 --> 00:04:03,270 greenwood police went looking for elmore 36 hours after 115 00:04:03,260 --> 00:04:08,530 for elmore 36 hours after Dorothy's body was found. 116 00:04:08,530 --> 00:04:09,530 Dorothy's body was found. >> I was working second shift 117 00:04:09,530 --> 00:04:11,030 >> I was working second shift with the detective division and 118 00:04:11,030 --> 00:04:11,600 with the detective division and the call came in saying the 119 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:12,270 the call came in saying the suspect was at his girlfriend 120 00:04:12,270 --> 00:04:13,770 suspect was at his girlfriend Mary's apartment. 121 00:04:13,770 --> 00:04:15,770 Mary's apartment. I went up and knocked on the 122 00:04:15,770 --> 00:04:16,800 I went up and knocked on the door. 123 00:04:16,810 --> 00:04:18,540 Door. >> The encounter was not what 124 00:04:18,540 --> 00:04:20,270 >> the encounter was not what detective vandenburgh expected. 125 00:04:20,280 --> 00:04:22,010 Detective vandenburgh expected. >> I told them that we had a 126 00:04:22,010 --> 00:04:24,010 >> I told them that we had a warrant for his arrest. 127 00:04:24,010 --> 00:04:27,510 Warrant for his arrest. And I told him it was for 128 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,520 and I told him it was for murder. 129 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,750 Murder. His demeanor at that time was so 130 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:33,290 his demeanor at that time was so nonchalant. 131 00:04:33,290 --> 00:04:33,750 Nonchalant. Okay. 132 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:34,490 Okay. Which is totally out of context 133 00:04:34,490 --> 00:04:35,760 which is totally out of context for anybody I've ever dealt with 134 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,490 for anybody I've ever dealt with before in a situation like that. 135 00:04:38,500 --> 00:04:39,770 Before in a situation like that. No outburst or violent behavior. 136 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:47,270 No outburst or violent behavior. Just like well. 137 00:04:47,270 --> 00:04:49,040 Just like well. >> Police took hair and blood 138 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,340 >> police took hair and blood samples and placed them in the 139 00:04:51,340 --> 00:04:53,270 samples and placed them in the county jailhouse. 140 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:56,510 County jailhouse. Even elmore's public defender 141 00:04:56,510 --> 00:04:59,050 even elmore's public defender had doubts about his innocence. 142 00:04:59,050 --> 00:05:00,550 Had doubts about his innocence. >> Many people will proclaim 143 00:05:00,550 --> 00:05:02,020 >> many people will proclaim constantly their innocence and I 144 00:05:02,020 --> 00:05:06,520 constantly their innocence and I cannot remember Mr. Elmore 145 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,290 cannot remember Mr. Elmore vociferously proclaiming his 146 00:05:09,290 --> 00:05:11,260 vociferously proclaiming his innocence. 147 00:05:11,260 --> 00:05:13,760 Innocence. And I got the feeling that there 148 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:14,360 and I got the feeling that there might be something for him to 149 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:14,760 might be something for him to hide. 150 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:15,500 Hide. >> Elmore's case came to trial 151 00:05:15,500 --> 00:05:18,300 >> elmore's case came to trial only 82 days after his arrest. 152 00:05:18,300 --> 00:05:19,270 Only 82 days after his arrest. Prosecutors say Dorothy had been 153 00:05:19,270 --> 00:05:21,540 prosecutors say Dorothy had been killed Saturday night when 154 00:05:21,540 --> 00:05:22,770 killed Saturday night when elmore was alone and had no 155 00:05:22,770 --> 00:05:24,500 elmore was alone and had no alibi. 156 00:05:24,510 --> 00:05:27,270 Alibi. >> You want to find out whether 157 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:29,780 >> you want to find out whether or not Mr. Elmore had any 158 00:05:29,780 --> 00:05:32,280 or not Mr. Elmore had any alibis. 159 00:05:32,280 --> 00:05:33,050 Alibis. And we found none. 160 00:05:33,050 --> 00:05:34,010 And we found none. And Mr. Elmore, he was not very 161 00:05:34,020 --> 00:05:34,310 and Mr. Elmore, he was not very cooperative. 162 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,280 Cooperative. He wouldn't hardly talk to me. 163 00:05:36,290 --> 00:05:39,790 He wouldn't hardly talk to me. >> Police found small spots of 164 00:05:39,790 --> 00:05:42,490 >> police found small spots of blood matching Dorothy's blood 165 00:05:42,490 --> 00:05:43,760 blood matching Dorothy's blood type on elmore's pants and 166 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,030 type on elmore's pants and shoes. 167 00:05:46,030 --> 00:05:47,760 Shoes. >> Back in the '80s, DNA 168 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,030 >> back in the '80s, DNA analysis had not been developed. 169 00:05:49,030 --> 00:05:49,660 Analysis had not been developed. When DNA was available, it came 170 00:05:49,670 --> 00:05:50,260 when DNA was available, it came back positive that it was the 171 00:05:50,270 --> 00:05:52,270 back positive that it was the victim's blood. 172 00:05:52,270 --> 00:05:54,030 Victim's blood. >> Prosecutors also told the 173 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,270 >> prosecutors also told the jury that dozens of elmore's 174 00:05:56,270 --> 00:05:56,800 jury that dozens of elmore's pubic hairs were found on 175 00:05:56,810 --> 00:05:58,540 pubic hairs were found on Dorothy's bed. 176 00:05:58,540 --> 00:06:02,310 Dorothy's bed. And finally, prosecutors 177 00:06:02,310 --> 00:06:03,780 and finally, prosecutors presented James Gilliam, a 178 00:06:03,780 --> 00:06:04,510 presented James Gilliam, a prison inmate who claimed to 179 00:06:04,510 --> 00:06:05,510 prison inmate who claimed to hear elmore confess while he was 180 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,560 hear elmore confess while he was in jail. 181 00:06:07,550 --> 00:06:09,780 In jail. >> That came out of nowhere. 182 00:06:09,790 --> 00:06:11,020 >> That came out of nowhere. That just rocked me. 183 00:06:11,020 --> 00:06:13,790 That just rocked me. Mr. Rockmore told Gilliam that I 184 00:06:13,790 --> 00:06:14,790 Mr. Rockmore told Gilliam that I went down there and robbed that 185 00:06:14,790 --> 00:06:17,520 went down there and robbed that lady, and she started screaming 186 00:06:17,530 --> 00:06:19,030 lady, and she started screaming and I killed her. 187 00:06:19,030 --> 00:06:22,030 And I killed her. That was the lynchpin. 188 00:06:22,030 --> 00:06:24,770 That was the lynchpin. >> The jury took less than five 189 00:06:24,770 --> 00:06:26,270 >> the jury took less than five hours to reach a verdict. 190 00:06:26,270 --> 00:06:31,770 Hours to reach a verdict. Elmore was convicted and 191 00:06:31,780 --> 00:06:33,550 elmore was convicted and sentenced to death. 192 00:06:33,540 --> 00:06:34,040 Sentenced to death. But the conviction was 193 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:35,780 but the conviction was overturned on appeal. 194 00:06:35,780 --> 00:06:36,780 Overturned on appeal. >> There was one juror who was 195 00:06:36,780 --> 00:06:39,280 >> there was one juror who was reluctant to impose the death 196 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:40,280 reluctant to impose the death penalty. 197 00:06:40,280 --> 00:06:41,780 Penalty. And the trial judge went into 198 00:06:41,790 --> 00:06:42,790 and the trial judge went into the jury room and put pressure 199 00:06:42,790 --> 00:06:48,020 the jury room and put pressure on the holdout juror to impose 200 00:06:48,020 --> 00:06:50,020 on the holdout juror to impose the death sentence. 201 00:06:50,030 --> 00:06:50,590 The death sentence. >> A new trial was ordered. 202 00:06:50,590 --> 00:06:54,360 >> A new trial was ordered. Same prosecutor, same defense 203 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:55,030 same prosecutor, same defense attorneys, same outcome. 204 00:06:55,030 --> 00:06:57,260 Attorneys, same outcome. A third trial was held to 205 00:06:57,270 --> 00:06:59,270 a third trial was held to reconsider the sentence and 206 00:06:59,270 --> 00:07:00,030 reconsider the sentence and again, the decision was 207 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:00,770 again, the decision was unanimous. 208 00:07:00,770 --> 00:07:01,370 Unanimous. 36 jurors had determined that 209 00:07:01,370 --> 00:07:02,000 36 jurors had determined that Edward elmore should be put to 210 00:07:02,010 --> 00:07:03,280 Edward elmore should be put to death. 211 00:07:13,550 --> 00:07:16,780 11 years later, a 34-year-old law student named Diana holt 212 00:07:16,790 --> 00:07:18,520 law student named Diana holt came to the south Carolina death 213 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:19,120 came to the south Carolina death penalty resource center as a 214 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:20,050 penalty resource center as a summer intern. 215 00:07:20,060 --> 00:07:21,790 Summer intern. One of her first assignments was 216 00:07:21,790 --> 00:07:25,760 one of her first assignments was reviewing elmore's case. 217 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:26,760 Reviewing elmore's case. >> The first time I saw the 218 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:27,530 >> the first time I saw the name, I was reading through the 219 00:07:27,530 --> 00:07:30,260 name, I was reading through the transcript. 220 00:07:30,270 --> 00:07:32,030 Transcript. >> Diana started having 221 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,010 >> Diana started having suspicions that elmore's trials 222 00:07:36,010 --> 00:07:36,510 suspicions that elmore's trials weren't fair. 223 00:07:36,510 --> 00:07:42,040 Weren't fair. She was troubled that there were 224 00:07:42,050 --> 00:07:42,690 she was troubled that there were no expert witnesses and rarely 225 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:43,140 no expert witnesses and rarely challenged any of the 226 00:07:43,150 --> 00:07:43,640 challenged any of the prosecution's evidence. 227 00:07:43,650 --> 00:07:44,510 Prosecution's evidence. Diana knew that a competent 228 00:07:44,510 --> 00:07:45,280 Diana knew that a competent defense was grounds for an 229 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:46,780 defense was grounds for an appeal. 230 00:07:46,780 --> 00:07:51,280 Appeal. >> I felt like there was 231 00:07:51,290 --> 00:07:51,790 >> I felt like there was something wrong. 232 00:07:51,790 --> 00:07:52,520 Something wrong. I needed to meet Eddie and give 233 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,760 I needed to meet Eddie and give him an eyeball up and down. 234 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,760 Him an eyeball up and down. Size him up. 235 00:07:58,760 --> 00:07:59,790 Size him up. >> And who she met wasn't what 236 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,060 >> and who she met wasn't what he expected. 237 00:08:02,070 --> 00:08:03,810 He expected. >> Meeting him, it is just the 238 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:05,030 >> meeting him, it is just the biggest, sweetest smile, and he 239 00:08:05,030 --> 00:08:07,530 biggest, sweetest smile, and he is so docile and gentle and 240 00:08:07,540 --> 00:08:11,270 is so docile and gentle and quiet and happy. 241 00:08:11,270 --> 00:08:12,770 Quiet and happy. Happy. 242 00:08:12,780 --> 00:08:16,550 Happy. How is he on death row and 243 00:08:16,550 --> 00:08:17,540 how is he on death row and happy? 244 00:08:17,550 --> 00:08:20,280 Happy? It just didn't make any sense. 245 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:34,900 It just didn't make any sense. There was no way I was going to 246 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:52,480 >> Will you trust god no matter how bad it looks. 247 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:53,110 How bad it looks. It's not bad as it seems because 248 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:53,610 it's not bad as it seems because god is still in control. 249 00:08:53,620 --> 00:08:54,250 God is still in control. >> Bishop Emmanuel spearman was 250 00:08:54,250 --> 00:08:54,880 >> bishop Emmanuel spearman was pastor to Edward Lee elmore, the 251 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:55,950 pastor to Edward Lee elmore, the man accused of murdering Dr. 252 00:08:55,950 --> 00:08:57,220 Man accused of murdering Dr. Dorothy Edwards. 253 00:08:57,220 --> 00:09:03,960 Dorothy Edwards. >> I have come to know Edward in 254 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:04,460 >> I have come to know Edward in the late '70s. 255 00:09:04,460 --> 00:09:07,190 The late '70s. I pastored his home church. 256 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:07,830 I pastored his home church. And his mother and I were best 257 00:09:07,830 --> 00:09:08,730 and his mother and I were best of friends. 258 00:09:08,730 --> 00:09:13,970 Of friends. They didn't have a whole lot. 259 00:09:13,970 --> 00:09:14,600 They didn't have a whole lot. >> One of 11 siblings, elmore's 260 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:15,100 >> one of 11 siblings, elmore's father was killed by a 261 00:09:15,100 --> 00:09:15,740 father was killed by a hit-and-run driver when elmore 262 00:09:15,740 --> 00:09:19,240 hit-and-run driver when elmore was 2. 263 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,640 Was 2. He grew up in dire poverty. 264 00:09:23,650 --> 00:09:26,450 He grew up in dire poverty. >> He had a low I.Q. 265 00:09:26,450 --> 00:09:27,080 >> He had a low I.Q. I was a special ed teacher so I 266 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:27,550 I was a special ed teacher so I knew that he was slow. 267 00:09:27,550 --> 00:09:33,450 Knew that he was slow. When I went to greenwood jail 268 00:09:33,460 --> 00:09:34,090 when I went to greenwood jail and I spoke with him, he really 269 00:09:34,090 --> 00:09:34,690 and I spoke with him, he really didn't know why he was there. 270 00:09:34,690 --> 00:09:39,960 Didn't know why he was there. And that bothered me. 271 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:40,590 And that bothered me. >> A hard worker, elmore got by 272 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:41,960 >> a hard worker, elmore got by on odd jobs like cleaning 273 00:09:41,970 --> 00:09:42,570 on odd jobs like cleaning gutters and washing windows, 274 00:09:42,570 --> 00:09:47,980 gutters and washing windows, including for Dorothy Edwards. 275 00:09:47,970 --> 00:09:48,600 Including for Dorothy Edwards. When Dorothy was murdered, age 276 00:09:48,610 --> 00:09:49,180 when Dorothy was murdered, age old fears and recrimination 277 00:09:49,170 --> 00:09:53,710 old fears and recrimination surfaced in the community. 278 00:09:53,710 --> 00:09:54,340 Surfaced in the community. >> I know race plays a role when 279 00:09:54,340 --> 00:09:58,710 >> I know race plays a role when it comes to the justice system. 280 00:09:58,720 --> 00:09:59,320 It comes to the justice system. Here in greenwood, there are 281 00:09:59,320 --> 00:09:59,890 here in greenwood, there are those who still have their 282 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:00,410 those who still have their agenda, but it's a hidden 283 00:10:00,420 --> 00:10:04,950 agenda, but it's a hidden agenda. 284 00:10:04,950 --> 00:10:05,590 Agenda. >> I'm positive that race played 285 00:10:05,590 --> 00:10:06,950 >> I'm positive that race played in Edward Lee elmore's trials. 286 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:08,490 In Edward Lee elmore's trials. Make no mistake, I think that 287 00:10:08,490 --> 00:10:09,720 make no mistake, I think that was because he was the black guy 288 00:10:09,730 --> 00:10:15,660 was because he was the black guy that they say killed an older 289 00:10:15,670 --> 00:10:19,710 that they say killed an older white woman. 290 00:10:19,700 --> 00:10:21,230 White woman. >> Searching through elmore's 291 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:22,470 >> searching through elmore's original trial, Diana found 292 00:10:22,470 --> 00:10:23,970 original trial, Diana found potential grounds for appeal. 293 00:10:23,970 --> 00:10:25,710 Potential grounds for appeal. Her first target was public 294 00:10:25,710 --> 00:10:27,470 her first target was public defender geddes Anderson who 295 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:28,740 defender geddes Anderson who seemed utterly unprepared to 296 00:10:28,750 --> 00:10:29,950 seemed utterly unprepared to take on the case. 297 00:10:29,950 --> 00:10:32,950 Take on the case. >> I asked him, when did you 298 00:10:32,950 --> 00:10:34,710 >> I asked him, when did you start working on the case? 299 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,950 Start working on the case? Eight days before the trail 300 00:10:36,950 --> 00:10:37,450 eight days before the trail began. 301 00:10:37,450 --> 00:10:38,450 Began. That's zero time. 302 00:10:38,450 --> 00:10:39,690 That's zero time. You can't even read all of the 303 00:10:39,690 --> 00:10:42,220 you can't even read all of the evidence and assess it and 304 00:10:42,230 --> 00:10:45,700 evidence and assess it and crunch it. 305 00:10:45,700 --> 00:10:53,710 Crunch it. >> In retrospect perhaps I 306 00:10:53,700 --> 00:10:54,470 >> in retrospect perhaps I should have asked for more time. 307 00:10:54,470 --> 00:10:56,240 Should have asked for more time. I never have proclaimed to be 308 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:57,970 I never have proclaimed to be the best lawyer that ever graced 309 00:10:57,970 --> 00:10:59,940 the best lawyer that ever graced the courtroom. 310 00:10:59,940 --> 00:11:00,570 The courtroom. >> Overworked and underpaid, Mr. 311 00:11:00,580 --> 00:11:01,210 >> Overworked and underpaid, Mr. Anderson also had a reputation 312 00:11:01,210 --> 00:11:01,540 Anderson also had a reputation as a drinker. 313 00:11:01,540 --> 00:11:03,480 As a drinker. >> That's fair. 314 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:04,980 >> That's fair. That's a fair accusation. 315 00:11:04,980 --> 00:11:07,980 That's a fair accusation. I have had certain, I guess you 316 00:11:07,980 --> 00:11:09,220 I have had certain, I guess you could say problems with it but I 317 00:11:09,220 --> 00:11:11,950 could say problems with it but I can say this categorically. 318 00:11:11,950 --> 00:11:13,220 Can say this categorically. I was totally clear headed and 319 00:11:13,220 --> 00:11:16,220 I was totally clear headed and not drinking during those 320 00:11:16,230 --> 00:11:17,730 not drinking during those trials. 321 00:11:17,730 --> 00:11:19,730 Trials. Everyone of them. 322 00:11:19,730 --> 00:11:21,230 Everyone of them. But on the other hand, you know, 323 00:11:21,230 --> 00:11:24,200 but on the other hand, you know, I would go out on occasion. 324 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,470 I would go out on occasion. I'm not as bad as I used to be. 325 00:11:26,470 --> 00:11:27,970 I'm not as bad as I used to be. >> In contrast, William t. Jones 326 00:11:27,970 --> 00:11:29,470 >> in contrast, William t. Jones III, known as Willie t., was 327 00:11:29,470 --> 00:11:30,040 III, known as Willie t., was considered a master of the 328 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:30,300 considered a master of the courtroom. 329 00:11:30,310 --> 00:11:34,940 Courtroom. >> Willie t.'S track record 330 00:11:34,940 --> 00:11:36,210 >> Willie t.'S track record spoke for itself. 331 00:11:36,210 --> 00:11:38,210 Spoke for itself. He lost very few. 332 00:11:38,210 --> 00:11:39,710 He lost very few. He was very dramatic. 333 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,210 He was very dramatic. I've seen that man cry in front 334 00:11:41,220 --> 00:11:42,750 I've seen that man cry in front of the jury. 335 00:11:42,750 --> 00:11:46,250 Of the jury. Mr. Jones in the courtroom could 336 00:11:46,260 --> 00:11:47,960 Mr. Jones in the courtroom could probably outperform sir Lawrence 337 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:49,460 probably outperform sir Lawrence Olivier. 338 00:11:49,460 --> 00:11:51,220 Olivier. Let's put it that way. 339 00:11:51,230 --> 00:11:52,990 Let's put it that way. >> He could overpower you, 340 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:54,970 >> he could overpower you, overcontrol you, and he was not 341 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,700 overcontrol you, and he was not beyond saying things that he 342 00:11:56,700 --> 00:11:57,330 beyond saying things that he couldn't prove if they weren't 343 00:11:57,330 --> 00:11:59,970 couldn't prove if they weren't challenged. 344 00:11:59,970 --> 00:12:01,470 Challenged. >> Early in the first trial, 345 00:12:01,470 --> 00:12:02,700 >> early in the first trial, Anderson challenged Jones by 346 00:12:02,710 --> 00:12:04,450 Anderson challenged Jones by objecting that a single 347 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:05,970 objecting that a single thumbprint was not enough to 348 00:12:05,980 --> 00:12:07,480 thumbprint was not enough to arrest elmore. 349 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,240 Arrest elmore. >> In order to obtain an arrest 350 00:12:10,250 --> 00:12:11,980 >> in order to obtain an arrest warrant, the police obtain an 351 00:12:11,980 --> 00:12:13,210 warrant, the police obtain an upside down thumbprint on the 352 00:12:13,220 --> 00:12:15,450 upside down thumbprint on the back outside door frame. 353 00:12:15,450 --> 00:12:16,720 Back outside door frame. That's exactly consistent with 354 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,720 that's exactly consistent with cleaning the windows. 355 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,220 Cleaning the windows. Cleaning the door. 356 00:12:21,220 --> 00:12:22,460 Cleaning the door. That is not probable cause in 357 00:12:22,460 --> 00:12:23,460 that is not probable cause in anywhere else in america that 358 00:12:23,460 --> 00:12:25,760 anywhere else in america that I'm aware of. 359 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:26,960 I'm aware of. But Willie t. Said, well i'm 360 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:27,960 but Willie t. Said, well i'm glad you brought that up. 361 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,460 Glad you brought that up. The forensic pathologist let US 362 00:12:31,470 --> 00:12:34,000 the forensic pathologist let US know that she had located 363 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,470 know that she had located negroid pubic hairs on the 364 00:12:36,470 --> 00:12:38,740 negroid pubic hairs on the victim's chest and abdomen. 365 00:12:38,740 --> 00:12:41,710 Victim's chest and abdomen. The defense shut their mouths 366 00:12:41,710 --> 00:12:42,040 the defense shut their mouths and sat down. 367 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,450 And sat down. >> If elmore's hair had in fact 368 00:12:45,450 --> 00:12:46,980 >> if elmore's hair had in fact been found on the body, this was 369 00:12:46,980 --> 00:12:48,450 been found on the body, this was a new and explosive claim, a 370 00:12:48,450 --> 00:12:49,950 a new and explosive claim, a claim that went unchallenged by 371 00:12:49,950 --> 00:12:52,450 claim that went unchallenged by geddes Anderson. 372 00:12:52,460 --> 00:12:57,000 Geddes Anderson. >> Did you ask to see that 373 00:12:56,990 --> 00:12:58,960 >> did you ask to see that evidence? 374 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,230 Evidence? >> You would have to look at the 375 00:13:01,230 --> 00:13:02,200 >> you would have to look at the transcript to see. 376 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:02,800 Transcript to see. I don't know if I did or not. 377 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:03,430 I don't know if I did or not. >> According to the transcript, 378 00:13:03,430 --> 00:13:04,000 >> according to the transcript, you did not ask to see that 379 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:04,260 you did not ask to see that evidence. 380 00:13:04,270 --> 00:13:05,970 Evidence. Why would you not have asked to 381 00:13:05,970 --> 00:13:06,370 why would you not have asked to see that evidence? 382 00:13:06,370 --> 00:13:09,740 See that evidence? It seems like pretty important. 383 00:13:09,740 --> 00:13:10,970 It seems like pretty important. >> Well, I don't know how to 384 00:13:10,970 --> 00:13:13,710 >> well, I don't know how to answer that. 385 00:13:13,710 --> 00:13:18,210 Answer that. I guess you'll have to take some 386 00:13:18,210 --> 00:13:18,780 I guess you'll have to take some nonanswer to that question. 387 00:13:18,780 --> 00:13:19,980 Nonanswer to that question. >> Mysteriously, the pubic hair 388 00:13:19,980 --> 00:13:21,210 >> mysteriously, the pubic hair Willie t. Said was found on 389 00:13:21,220 --> 00:13:24,680 Willie t. Said was found on Dorothy's body was never entered 390 00:13:24,690 --> 00:13:25,020 Dorothy's body was never entered into evidence. 391 00:13:25,020 --> 00:13:26,490 Into evidence. As opposed to the hairs on the 392 00:13:26,490 --> 00:13:29,490 as opposed to the hairs on the body, a separate group of 49 393 00:13:29,490 --> 00:13:30,720 body, a separate group of 49 pubic hairs said to be found on 394 00:13:30,730 --> 00:13:31,260 pubic hairs said to be found on Dorothy's bed also raised 395 00:13:31,260 --> 00:13:31,620 Dorothy's bed also raised Diana's doubts. 396 00:13:31,630 --> 00:13:32,460 Diana's doubts. >> A lot of people saw the some 397 00:13:32,460 --> 00:13:36,460 >> a lot of people saw the some 49 pubic hairs allegedly 398 00:13:36,470 --> 00:13:38,210 49 pubic hairs allegedly collected from the victim's bed 399 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,730 collected from the victim's bed as the most damaging evidence 400 00:13:41,740 --> 00:13:43,500 as the most damaging evidence against Mr. Elmore. 401 00:13:43,510 --> 00:13:45,470 Against Mr. Elmore. But this item of evidence was a 402 00:13:45,470 --> 00:13:47,640 but this item of evidence was a plain baggy like put your kids' 403 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,680 plain baggy like put your kids' sandwiches in when you're 404 00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:51,240 sandwiches in when you're packing their school lunch. 405 00:13:51,250 --> 00:13:53,450 Packing their school lunch. Not sealed with red evidence 406 00:13:53,450 --> 00:13:55,220 not sealed with red evidence tape that says evidence, do not 407 00:13:55,220 --> 00:13:57,480 tape that says evidence, do not tamper. 408 00:13:57,490 --> 00:13:58,480 Tamper. This did not have that on there. 409 00:13:58,490 --> 00:13:59,990 This did not have that on there. >> Evidence the bag contained 49 410 00:13:59,990 --> 00:14:00,990 >> evidence the bag contained 49 hairs. 411 00:14:00,990 --> 00:14:01,720 Hairs. A number Diana found 412 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:02,360 a number Diana found suspiciously close to the number 413 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,220 suspiciously close to the number of hairs police pulled from 414 00:14:04,230 --> 00:14:05,990 of hairs police pulled from elmore after his arrest. 415 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,970 Elmore after his arrest. >> There was from what I 416 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,000 >> there was from what I understand about, 50 to 60 hairs 417 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,730 understand about, 50 to 60 hairs that were collected, either 418 00:14:12,740 --> 00:14:16,980 that were collected, either being combed or pulled. 419 00:14:16,970 --> 00:14:18,710 Being combed or pulled. >> But if elmore's hair had been 420 00:14:18,710 --> 00:14:20,240 >> but if elmore's hair had been found at the crime scene of the 421 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:21,710 found at the crime scene of the nearly 100 crime scene 422 00:14:21,710 --> 00:14:24,440 nearly 100 crime scene photographs, not a single photo 423 00:14:24,450 --> 00:14:24,940 photographs, not a single photo showed hairs on the bed. 424 00:14:24,950 --> 00:14:26,710 Showed hairs on the bed. >> Any kind of evidence you 425 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,480 >> any kind of evidence you collect at a crime scene, the 426 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:29,120 collect at a crime scene, the first thing you do is photograph 427 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:29,280 first thing you do is photograph it. 428 00:14:29,290 --> 00:14:30,230 It. >> There was no pictures of the 429 00:14:30,220 --> 00:14:32,220 >> there was no pictures of the hair on the bed. 430 00:14:32,220 --> 00:14:34,720 Hair on the bed. There was pictures of everything 431 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,220 there was pictures of everything except the most crucial evidence 432 00:14:36,230 --> 00:14:38,530 except the most crucial evidence in the case. 433 00:14:38,530 --> 00:14:39,230 In the case. So it became obvious to me 434 00:14:39,230 --> 00:14:41,230 so it became obvious to me something wasn't quite right. 435 00:14:41,230 --> 00:14:41,960 Something wasn't quite right. >> The only photo of the bed 436 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,230 >> the only photo of the bed shows it covered with police 437 00:14:43,230 --> 00:14:44,230 shows it covered with police camera equipment, contaminating 438 00:14:44,230 --> 00:14:48,470 camera equipment, contaminating any evidence. 439 00:14:48,470 --> 00:14:49,470 Any evidence. The question became, where did 440 00:14:49,470 --> 00:14:52,470 the question became, where did the hairs in the baggy come 441 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,480 the hairs in the baggy come from? 442 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,710 From? >> There was no question they 443 00:14:56,710 --> 00:14:58,980 >> there was no question they pulled those hairs from his 444 00:14:58,980 --> 00:14:59,450 pulled those hairs from his body. 445 00:14:59,450 --> 00:14:59,980 Body. They pulled a lot of them. 446 00:14:59,980 --> 00:15:00,610 They pulled a lot of them. And I don't think they were ever 447 00:15:00,620 --> 00:15:00,910 and I don't think they were ever on the bed. 448 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:01,480 On the bed. I believe it was planted. 449 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,980 I believe it was planted. >> Diana was starting to see a 450 00:15:03,990 --> 00:15:05,720 >> Diana was starting to see a pattern. 451 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:06,720 Pattern. >> There was all this 452 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:07,690 >> there was all this ineffective assistance of 453 00:15:07,690 --> 00:15:09,720 ineffective assistance of counsel. 454 00:15:09,730 --> 00:15:10,970 Counsel. There was no basis for probable 455 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:11,520 there was no basis for probable cause to arrest Mr. Elmore 456 00:15:11,530 --> 00:15:15,230 cause to arrest Mr. Elmore anyway, and there was no list of 457 00:15:15,230 --> 00:15:18,000 anyway, and there was no list of negroid pubic hairs in the 458 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,500 negroid pubic hairs in the police inventory. 459 00:15:21,500 --> 00:15:23,970 Police inventory. There was no item like that. 460 00:15:23,970 --> 00:15:25,970 There was no item like that. >> As Diana dug deep entire the 461 00:15:25,980 --> 00:15:28,990 >> as Diana dug deep entire the case, a new suspect began to 462 00:15:28,980 --> 00:15:30,740 case, a new suspect began to emerge. 463 00:15:30,750 --> 00:15:32,480 Emerge. She thought the next door 464 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:33,480 she thought the next door neighbor who discovered 465 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,450 neighbor who discovered Dorothy's body had acted 466 00:15:36,450 --> 00:15:37,480 Dorothy's body had acted suspiciously. 467 00:15:37,490 --> 00:15:43,490 Suspiciously. >> Really? 468 00:15:43,490 --> 00:15:44,120 >> Really? >>> In order to get a new trial 469 00:15:44,130 --> 00:15:45,760 >>> in order to get a new trial for Edward Lee elmore, Diana 470 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:46,530 for Edward Lee elmore, Diana needed to find grounds to appeal 471 00:15:46,530 --> 00:15:47,290 needed to find grounds to appeal when she finally read what 472 00:15:47,300 --> 00:15:48,030 when she finally read what elmore said in the original 473 00:15:48,030 --> 00:15:52,000 elmore said in the original trial, she felt more determined 474 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:52,500 trial, she felt more determined than ever to fight back. 475 00:15:52,500 --> 00:15:55,000 Than ever to fight back. >> I started reading Eddie's 476 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,500 >> I started reading Eddie's testimony and it got me, yeah. 477 00:15:57,510 --> 00:16:00,510 Testimony and it got me, yeah. And the more it went along, the 478 00:16:00,510 --> 00:16:02,240 and the more it went along, the more it got me. 479 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:03,780 More it got me. >> I remember when he was cross 480 00:16:03,780 --> 00:16:10,020 >> I remember when he was cross examining. 481 00:16:10,020 --> 00:16:15,250 Examining. Because for a long time, Edward 482 00:16:15,260 --> 00:16:18,760 because for a long time, Edward didn't say anything or testify. 483 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,030 Didn't say anything or testify. He just sat there as if, why am 484 00:16:20,030 --> 00:16:21,530 he just sat there as if, why am I here? 485 00:16:21,530 --> 00:16:22,260 I here? Why I am a going through this? 486 00:16:22,260 --> 00:16:22,800 Why I am a going through this? >> You want this court to 487 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:23,360 >> you want this court to believe you're always this 488 00:16:23,370 --> 00:16:23,760 believe you're always this quiet, don't you? 489 00:16:23,770 --> 00:16:24,330 Quiet, don't you? >> Well, sir, you asked me 490 00:16:24,330 --> 00:16:24,800 >> well, sir, you asked me something, I answered. 491 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:25,370 Something, I answered. >> You want them to believe 492 00:16:25,370 --> 00:16:27,000 >> you want them to believe you're real quiet and polite. 493 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,270 You're real quiet and polite. Yes, sir, no, sir. 494 00:16:28,270 --> 00:16:29,500 Yes, sir, no, sir. Isn't that right? 495 00:16:29,510 --> 00:16:32,280 Isn't that right? >> No, sir. 496 00:16:32,270 --> 00:16:34,240 >> No, sir. >> Edward didn't understand what 497 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,510 >> Edward didn't understand what he was talking about. 498 00:16:37,510 --> 00:16:38,510 He was talking about. He didn't understand how to 499 00:16:38,510 --> 00:16:39,110 he didn't understand how to defend himself or what to say. 500 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:39,760 Defend himself or what to say. >> Why did you hit her with this 501 00:16:39,750 --> 00:16:41,250 >> why did you hit her with this ashtray? 502 00:16:41,250 --> 00:16:42,750 Ashtray? >> I didn't hit her with it. 503 00:16:42,750 --> 00:16:44,050 >> I didn't hit her with it. >> Why did you stick her with 504 00:16:44,050 --> 00:16:45,250 >> why did you stick her with this knife? 505 00:16:45,250 --> 00:16:47,020 This knife? >> I didn't stick her with no 506 00:16:47,020 --> 00:16:48,250 >> I didn't stick her with no knife, sir. 507 00:16:48,260 --> 00:16:49,760 Knife, sir. >> Tell US how it felt when she 508 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,030 >> tell US how it felt when she reached down and jerked these 509 00:16:53,030 --> 00:16:53,760 reached down and jerked these pubic hairs out of you. 510 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:54,760 Pubic hairs out of you. It hurt, didn't it? 511 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:55,400 It hurt, didn't it? >> She didn't jerk them off me. 512 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:56,260 >> She didn't jerk them off me. I was not there. 513 00:16:56,270 --> 00:16:56,910 I was not there. >> She tried to get off the bed 514 00:16:56,900 --> 00:16:57,360 >> she tried to get off the bed and get out of there. 515 00:16:57,370 --> 00:16:57,800 And get out of there. >> I was not there. 516 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:58,330 >> I was not there. >> And you caught her and 517 00:16:58,330 --> 00:16:58,970 >> and you caught her and started pounding her with your 518 00:16:58,970 --> 00:17:00,530 started pounding her with your fist. 519 00:17:00,540 --> 00:17:02,300 Fist. >> No, sir. 520 00:17:02,300 --> 00:17:04,270 >> No, sir. >> Stomach and all. 521 00:17:04,270 --> 00:17:05,510 >> Stomach and all. >> No, sir. 522 00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:06,040 >> No, sir. >> Did you kick her? 523 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:06,340 >> Did you kick her? >> No, sir. 524 00:17:06,340 --> 00:17:06,740 >> No, sir. I wasn't there. 525 00:17:06,740 --> 00:17:07,370 I wasn't there. >> That's all I have to ask you. 526 00:17:07,380 --> 00:17:09,240 >> That's all I have to ask you. >> In his closing argument to 527 00:17:09,250 --> 00:17:11,290 >> in his closing argument to the jury, Willie t. Portrayed 528 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,750 the jury, Willie t. Portrayed elmore as a sadistic killer who 529 00:17:13,750 --> 00:17:17,250 elmore as a sadistic killer who tortured his victim before 530 00:17:17,250 --> 00:17:20,550 tortured his victim before beating her to death. 531 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,020 Beating her to death. But Diana thought that the 532 00:17:22,020 --> 00:17:23,290 but Diana thought that the depiction of elmore was highly 533 00:17:23,290 --> 00:17:23,890 depiction of elmore was highly prejudicial and the evidence 534 00:17:23,890 --> 00:17:25,020 prejudicial and the evidence riddled with holes. 535 00:17:25,030 --> 00:17:27,530 Riddled with holes. She also thought elmore had done 536 00:17:27,530 --> 00:17:31,260 she also thought elmore had done well under the circumstances. 537 00:17:31,270 --> 00:17:32,500 Well under the circumstances. >> Even under withering 538 00:17:32,500 --> 00:17:34,270 >> even under withering prosecution by brilliant Willie 539 00:17:34,270 --> 00:17:34,830 prosecution by brilliant Willie t., Mr. Elmore said what he 540 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:42,180 t., Mr. Elmore said what he always said, I didn't do it. 541 00:17:42,180 --> 00:17:43,010 Always said, I didn't do it. >> In order to solve the mystery 542 00:17:43,010 --> 00:17:43,580 >> in order to solve the mystery of who did murder Dorothy 543 00:17:43,580 --> 00:17:53,020 of who did murder Dorothy Edwards, Diana began looking for 544 00:17:53,020 --> 00:17:53,650 Edwards, Diana began looking for alternate suspects and she found 545 00:17:53,660 --> 00:17:54,150 alternate suspects and she found one in the neighbor who 546 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:54,720 one in the neighbor who discovered the body, James 547 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:54,990 discovered the body, James holloway. 548 00:17:54,990 --> 00:17:59,760 Holloway. >> I read the testimony of James 549 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:00,390 >> I read the testimony of James holloway and my head just about 550 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:01,030 holloway and my head just about spun off my little spindly neck. 551 00:18:01,030 --> 00:18:05,770 Spun off my little spindly neck. Wow! 552 00:18:05,770 --> 00:18:06,300 Wow! >> Holloway had spent an 553 00:18:06,300 --> 00:18:06,930 >> holloway had spent an unusually long period of time at 554 00:18:06,940 --> 00:18:07,570 unusually long period of time at the crime scene before calling 555 00:18:07,570 --> 00:18:12,270 the crime scene before calling the police. 556 00:18:12,270 --> 00:18:12,810 The police. >> He goes inside Dorothy 557 00:18:12,810 --> 00:18:13,170 >> he goes inside Dorothy Edwards' house. 558 00:18:13,180 --> 00:18:18,020 Edwards' house. He sees that wall of blood for 559 00:18:18,010 --> 00:18:18,640 he sees that wall of blood for the first time, but he doesn't 560 00:18:18,650 --> 00:18:18,950 the first time, but he doesn't call police. 561 00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:23,520 Call police. He decides that he is going to 562 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:24,120 he decides that he is going to go to the other side neighbor 563 00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:24,750 go to the other side neighbor and get her to come in the house 564 00:18:24,750 --> 00:18:25,790 and get her to come in the house with him. 565 00:18:25,790 --> 00:18:26,750 With him. So he is at the closet door 566 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:27,330 so he is at the closet door again and he decides to put 567 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:33,530 again and he decides to put gloves on. 568 00:18:33,530 --> 00:18:34,160 Gloves on. And then opens the door and lo 569 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:38,200 and then opens the door and lo and behold, there she was. 570 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:39,270 And behold, there she was. Really? 571 00:18:39,270 --> 00:18:39,900 Really? He put his gloves on before he 572 00:18:39,900 --> 00:18:45,270 he put his gloves on before he went to open the door? 573 00:18:45,270 --> 00:18:45,870 Went to open the door? >> Diana was also suspicious 574 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:46,520 >> Diana was also suspicious that holloway immediately told 575 00:18:46,510 --> 00:18:47,140 that holloway immediately told police who the perpetrator could 576 00:18:47,140 --> 00:18:51,010 police who the perpetrator could be. 577 00:18:51,010 --> 00:18:51,640 Be. >> He told law enforcement, you 578 00:18:51,650 --> 00:18:52,250 >> he told law enforcement, you know, there was a boy here a 579 00:18:52,250 --> 00:18:52,880 know, there was a boy here a couple weeks back who washed her 580 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:53,110 couple weeks back who washed her windows. 581 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:53,760 Windows. And if you get me her checkbook, 582 00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:55,050 and if you get me her checkbook, I can get his name for you. 583 00:18:55,050 --> 00:18:56,520 I can get his name for you. And that was Edward Lee elmore. 584 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:57,520 And that was Edward Lee elmore. That boy. 585 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:06,260 That boy. >> Even more surprising was that 586 00:19:06,260 --> 00:19:06,890 >> even more surprising was that the police allowed holloway, a 587 00:19:06,900 --> 00:19:07,530 the police allowed holloway, a possible suspect, to clean the 588 00:19:07,530 --> 00:19:12,530 possible suspect, to clean the crime scene the day after 589 00:19:12,540 --> 00:19:13,080 crime scene the day after Dorothy's body was found. 590 00:19:13,070 --> 00:19:13,670 Dorothy's body was found. >> Law enforcement turned the 591 00:19:13,670 --> 00:19:17,040 >> law enforcement turned the crime scene over to Jimmy 592 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:17,500 crime scene over to Jimmy holloway to clean up. 593 00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:18,140 Holloway to clean up. He could do whatever he wanted 594 00:19:18,140 --> 00:19:18,400 he could do whatever he wanted in there. 595 00:19:18,410 --> 00:19:24,280 In there. There was no law enforcement 596 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:24,910 there was no law enforcement presence watching what happened. 597 00:19:24,910 --> 00:19:25,550 Presence watching what happened. There was no preservation of the 598 00:19:25,550 --> 00:19:34,990 there was no preservation of the crime scene. 599 00:19:34,990 --> 00:19:35,620 Crime scene. >> Diana needed answers so she 600 00:19:35,620 --> 00:19:36,220 >> Diana needed answers so she drove 90 miles to greenwood, 601 00:19:36,230 --> 00:19:37,030 drove 90 miles to greenwood, south Carolina, and showed up 602 00:19:37,030 --> 00:19:37,760 south Carolina, and showed up unannounced at James holloway's 603 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:43,760 unannounced at James holloway's front door. 604 00:19:43,770 --> 00:19:44,360 Front door. >> Mrs. Holloway answered the 605 00:19:44,370 --> 00:19:44,560 >> Mrs. Holloway answered the door. 606 00:19:44,570 --> 00:19:45,200 Door. She led me into the den and he 607 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:45,770 she led me into the den and he was sitting on his big 608 00:19:45,770 --> 00:19:49,500 was sitting on his big overstuffed recliner. 609 00:19:49,510 --> 00:19:50,150 Overstuffed recliner. So I introduced myself, and he 610 00:19:50,140 --> 00:19:53,270 so I introduced myself, and he proceeded to tell me, well, you 611 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:54,020 proceeded to tell me, well, you know, really, the only one who 612 00:19:54,010 --> 00:19:55,540 know, really, the only one who could kill her and get away with 613 00:19:55,540 --> 00:19:57,040 could kill her and get away with it was me, the way she trusted 614 00:19:57,050 --> 00:20:05,020 it was me, the way she trusted me. 615 00:20:05,020 --> 00:20:05,620 Me. That was one of the toughest 616 00:20:05,620 --> 00:20:06,190 that was one of the toughest moments in my career of not 617 00:20:06,190 --> 00:20:06,450 moments in my career of not reacting. 618 00:20:06,460 --> 00:20:12,030 Reacting. Holy -- 619 00:20:12,030 --> 00:20:12,560 holy -- he also told me that law 620 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:13,260 he also told me that law enforcement suspected him 621 00:20:13,260 --> 00:20:14,260 enforcement suspected him because all of the neighbors had 622 00:20:14,260 --> 00:20:17,260 because all of the neighbors had told law enforcement that he and 623 00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:19,500 told law enforcement that he and Dorothy had been having an 624 00:20:19,500 --> 00:20:29,510 Dorothy had been having an affair for the last 30 years. 625 00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:30,080 Affair for the last 30 years. He told me that Dorothy was 626 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:30,710 he told me that Dorothy was supposed to go out of town that 627 00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:31,340 supposed to go out of town that weekend because she claim this 628 00:20:31,350 --> 00:20:31,980 weekend because she claim this guy in tryon, north Carolina was 629 00:20:31,980 --> 00:20:32,580 guy in tryon, north Carolina was going to propose to her that 630 00:20:32,580 --> 00:20:37,020 going to propose to her that weekend. 631 00:20:37,020 --> 00:20:37,650 Weekend. But somehow she did not get to 632 00:20:37,650 --> 00:20:38,180 but somehow she did not get to go on that trip to north 633 00:20:38,190 --> 00:20:44,020 go on that trip to north Carolina that weekend. 634 00:20:44,030 --> 00:20:44,620 Carolina that weekend. >> Diana realized if holloway 635 00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:45,260 >> Diana realized if holloway was having an affair with 636 00:20:45,260 --> 00:20:45,860 was having an affair with Dorothy, the motive could be 637 00:20:45,860 --> 00:20:51,260 Dorothy, the motive could be jealous. 638 00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:51,760 Jealous. And holloway's detailed 639 00:20:51,770 --> 00:20:52,400 and holloway's detailed description of what might have 640 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:53,030 description of what might have happened also raised a red flag 641 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:58,750 happened also raised a red flag for Diana. 642 00:20:58,740 --> 00:20:59,370 For Diana. >> He then starts telling me the 643 00:20:59,380 --> 00:20:59,980 >> he then starts telling me the story of what happened in her 644 00:20:59,980 --> 00:21:00,550 story of what happened in her house, as though he were an 645 00:21:00,540 --> 00:21:03,280 house, as though he were an eyewitness. 646 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:03,880 Eyewitness. She was just sitting there on 647 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,280 she was just sitting there on her settee watching TV. 648 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:06,780 Her settee watching TV. He came in and he started on 649 00:21:06,780 --> 00:21:09,020 he came in and he started on her. 650 00:21:09,020 --> 00:21:10,020 Her. It took her a good 20 minutes to 651 00:21:10,020 --> 00:21:12,290 it took her a good 20 minutes to die. 652 00:21:12,290 --> 00:21:13,250 Die. He just went on. 653 00:21:13,260 --> 00:21:14,300 He just went on. And you didn't -- and there 654 00:21:14,290 --> 00:21:15,290 and you didn't -- and there wasn't any nudging or prompting. 655 00:21:15,290 --> 00:21:16,790 Wasn't any nudging or prompting. He was relishing talking about 656 00:21:16,790 --> 00:21:19,760 he was relishing talking about all of the things. 657 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:24,260 All of the things. It was a gully washer of 658 00:21:24,270 --> 00:21:25,260 it was a gully washer of dumbfoundedness that day. 659 00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:27,530 Dumbfoundedness that day. >> Diana's suspicions about 660 00:21:27,540 --> 00:21:29,540 >> Diana's suspicions about James holloway were never 661 00:21:29,540 --> 00:21:34,010 James holloway were never pursued. 662 00:21:34,010 --> 00:21:39,510 Pursued. He passed away in 1994. 663 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,260 He passed away in 1994. >> By 1995, elmore had been on 664 00:21:42,250 --> 00:21:45,750 >> by 1995, elmore had been on death row for more than 13 665 00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:47,250 death row for more than 13 years. 666 00:21:47,260 --> 00:21:49,520 Years. And he had seen many of his 667 00:21:49,530 --> 00:21:51,530 and he had seen many of his fellow inmates put to death. 668 00:21:51,530 --> 00:21:53,030 Fellow inmates put to death. Elmore's survival would now 669 00:21:53,030 --> 00:21:55,760 elmore's survival would now depend on Diana getting him a 670 00:21:55,760 --> 00:22:05,300 depend on Diana getting him a new trial. 671 00:22:07,740 --> 00:22:09,040 >>> By 1995, Diana was ready to present evidence pointing to 672 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:13,650 present evidence pointing to Edward elmore's innocence to a 673 00:22:13,650 --> 00:22:14,250 Edward elmore's innocence to a state court in south Carolina. 674 00:22:14,250 --> 00:22:14,880 State court in south Carolina. The goal was to get a new trial 675 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,680 the goal was to get a new trial for elmore. 676 00:22:18,690 --> 00:22:19,450 For elmore. Diana would be joined by Chris 677 00:22:19,460 --> 00:22:20,200 Diana would be joined by Chris Jensen for what would be her 678 00:22:20,190 --> 00:22:30,460 Jensen for what would be her first hearing as a lawyer. 679 00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:30,960 First hearing as a lawyer. >> She was very fierce. 680 00:22:30,970 --> 00:22:32,430 >> She was very fierce. She had not the slightest doubt 681 00:22:32,430 --> 00:22:33,930 she had not the slightest doubt about Eddie elmore's innocence. 682 00:22:33,940 --> 00:22:37,940 About Eddie elmore's innocence. She was determined to make sure 683 00:22:37,940 --> 00:22:40,940 she was determined to make sure that I did my job. 684 00:22:40,940 --> 00:22:41,570 That I did my job. >> The state was represented by 685 00:22:41,580 --> 00:22:42,210 >> the state was represented by Donald Zelenka, who reportedly 686 00:22:42,210 --> 00:22:42,840 Donald Zelenka, who reportedly once argued that women who had 687 00:22:42,850 --> 00:22:43,490 once argued that women who had abortions in the third trimester 688 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:44,940 abortions in the third trimester could be executed for murder. 689 00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:47,150 Could be executed for murder. And elmore's fate would be 690 00:22:47,150 --> 00:22:48,910 and elmore's fate would be decided by judge Ernest kinard. 691 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,450 Decided by judge Ernest kinard. One of the first witnesses 692 00:22:50,450 --> 00:22:51,680 one of the first witnesses called was James Gilliam, the 693 00:22:51,690 --> 00:22:52,920 called was James Gilliam, the inmate who said elmore confessed 694 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:58,890 inmate who said elmore confessed to him in jail. 695 00:22:58,890 --> 00:22:59,430 To him in jail. But in the small town of 696 00:22:59,430 --> 00:23:06,400 but in the small town of greenwood, both elmore and 697 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,670 greenwood, both elmore and Gilliam new bishop spearman. 698 00:23:07,670 --> 00:23:09,670 Gilliam new bishop spearman. And before the hearing, Gilliam 699 00:23:09,670 --> 00:23:12,170 and before the hearing, Gilliam told spearman the truth. 700 00:23:12,170 --> 00:23:12,810 Told spearman the truth. >> James Gilliam and I go back I 701 00:23:12,810 --> 00:23:13,440 >> James Gilliam and I go back I guess all our life. 702 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:14,040 Guess all our life. One night he called me and he 703 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:14,910 one night he called me and he told me I lied and my conscience 704 00:23:14,910 --> 00:23:15,670 told me I lied and my conscience is bothering me. 705 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:16,310 Is bothering me. >> Gilliam said he made a deal 706 00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:22,180 >> Gilliam said he made a deal with the prosecutor to testify 707 00:23:22,180 --> 00:23:22,820 with the prosecutor to testify against elmore in exchange for 708 00:23:22,820 --> 00:23:23,250 against elmore in exchange for release from prison. 709 00:23:23,250 --> 00:23:23,820 Release from prison. But with elmore facing the 710 00:23:23,820 --> 00:23:27,220 but with elmore facing the electric chair, he felt bad what 711 00:23:27,220 --> 00:23:27,920 electric chair, he felt bad what he had done. 712 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:28,550 He had done. >> I said James, make it right. 713 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:29,420 >> I said James, make it right. And I got excited. 714 00:23:29,430 --> 00:23:30,430 And I got excited. I felt like once this comes out 715 00:23:30,430 --> 00:23:40,670 I felt like once this comes out that ed would be free. 716 00:23:40,670 --> 00:23:41,270 That ed would be free. >> Gilliam said the testimony 717 00:23:41,270 --> 00:23:41,830 >> Gilliam said the testimony that I gave in these prior 718 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:42,230 that I gave in these prior trials was false. 719 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:42,840 Trials was false. That he made up this story to 720 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:43,700 that he made up this story to try to get better treatment for 721 00:23:43,710 --> 00:23:44,410 try to get better treatment for himself on his criminal 722 00:23:44,410 --> 00:23:49,180 himself on his criminal sentence. 723 00:23:49,180 --> 00:23:50,180 Sentence. >> Gilliam would go on to state 724 00:23:50,180 --> 00:23:51,940 >> Gilliam would go on to state that the only thing elmore had 725 00:23:51,950 --> 00:23:52,550 that the only thing elmore had ever said was that he didn't 726 00:23:52,550 --> 00:24:04,420 ever said was that he didn't kill Dorothy Edwards. 727 00:24:04,430 --> 00:24:05,060 Kill Dorothy Edwards. But Diana's team also felt they 728 00:24:05,060 --> 00:24:05,590 but Diana's team also felt they needed to refute Dorothy 729 00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:06,230 needed to refute Dorothy Edwards' time of death which the 730 00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:06,860 Edwards' time of death which the medical examiner had placed on 731 00:24:06,860 --> 00:24:07,490 medical examiner had placed on Saturday night during the only 732 00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:13,930 Saturday night during the only hours elmore had no alibi. 733 00:24:13,940 --> 00:24:14,500 Hours elmore had no alibi. Diana hired forensic expert 734 00:24:14,500 --> 00:24:14,870 Diana hired forensic expert Jonathan arden. 735 00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:15,500 Jonathan arden. >> In my opinion the victim died 736 00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:16,040 >> in my opinion the victim died in the early afternoon on 737 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:16,270 in the early afternoon on sunday. 738 00:24:16,270 --> 00:24:16,900 Sunday. That time frame makes sense with 739 00:24:16,910 --> 00:24:18,410 that time frame makes sense with the rigor mortis, the lack of 740 00:24:18,410 --> 00:24:18,900 the rigor mortis, the lack of decomposition. 741 00:24:18,910 --> 00:24:20,170 Decomposition. But when the state medical 742 00:24:20,180 --> 00:24:20,820 but when the state medical examiner was asked, why did you 743 00:24:20,810 --> 00:24:25,910 examiner was asked, why did you recommend the time of death be 744 00:24:25,910 --> 00:24:26,510 recommend the time of death be 65 hours prior to the time of 745 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,690 65 hours prior to the time of discovery, given all the 746 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:29,280 discovery, given all the evidence of the rigor mortis, 747 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:30,680 evidence of the rigor mortis, the lack of decomposition, she 748 00:24:30,690 --> 00:24:31,920 the lack of decomposition, she said under oath, because that's 749 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,920 said under oath, because that's when they told me. 750 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:36,560 When they told me. The police told me that's when 751 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:37,920 the police told me that's when they thought it happened. 752 00:24:37,930 --> 00:24:39,160 They thought it happened. >> But even with all the 753 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,660 >> but even with all the evidence in elmore's favor, 754 00:24:41,660 --> 00:24:42,700 evidence in elmore's favor, Diana and Jensen knew the 755 00:24:42,700 --> 00:24:43,200 Diana and Jensen knew the biggest hurdle would be 756 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,430 biggest hurdle would be explaining the blood on elmore's 757 00:24:44,430 --> 00:24:46,430 explaining the blood on elmore's pants to the court. 758 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,680 Pants to the court. >> Blood that was supposedly 759 00:24:49,670 --> 00:24:50,300 >> blood that was supposedly found on pants and shoes matched 760 00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:51,450 found on pants and shoes matched the blood type of Mrs. Edwards. 761 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:52,440 The blood type of Mrs. Edwards. And this was very difficult 762 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:53,670 and this was very difficult testimony to rebut. 763 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,420 Testimony to rebut. >> As Jensen cross-examined the 764 00:24:56,410 --> 00:24:57,180 >> as Jensen cross-examined the state's blood evidence, Diana 765 00:24:57,180 --> 00:24:58,410 state's blood evidence, Diana went through the testimony and 766 00:24:58,410 --> 00:25:00,450 went through the testimony and made a key discovery. 767 00:25:00,450 --> 00:25:01,080 Made a key discovery. Evidence lists showed elmore's 768 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:06,950 evidence lists showed elmore's pants had passed through eight 769 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:07,530 pants had passed through eight different people before the 770 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,420 different people before the trial. 771 00:25:09,420 --> 00:25:11,920 Trial. >> I jumped out of my chair. 772 00:25:11,930 --> 00:25:12,490 >> I jumped out of my chair. I start whispering to Chris 773 00:25:12,490 --> 00:25:13,930 I start whispering to Chris Jensen, ask him what this means 774 00:25:13,930 --> 00:25:15,430 Jensen, ask him what this means and who these people are and 775 00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:16,960 and who these people are and what that is supposed to 776 00:25:16,970 --> 00:25:17,940 what that is supposed to represent. 777 00:25:17,930 --> 00:25:20,730 Represent. >> One name on the list jumped 778 00:25:20,740 --> 00:25:21,470 >> one name on the list jumped out at Diana. 779 00:25:21,470 --> 00:25:24,170 Out at Diana. Thomas Henderson was a state 780 00:25:24,170 --> 00:25:25,670 Thomas Henderson was a state police agent who grew up across 781 00:25:25,670 --> 00:25:26,440 police agent who grew up across the street from Dorothy Edwards 782 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:27,940 the street from Dorothy Edwards and James holloway and was 783 00:25:27,940 --> 00:25:29,680 and James holloway and was friendly with both. 784 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:30,710 Friendly with both. >> Tom Henderson had nothing to 785 00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:32,680 >> Tom Henderson had nothing to do with forensic investigation 786 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:33,680 do with forensic investigation at all. 787 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,180 At all. Nothing. 788 00:25:35,180 --> 00:25:36,180 Nothing. He wasn't supposed to be 789 00:25:36,180 --> 00:25:37,180 he wasn't supposed to be involved in the case anyway 790 00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:38,190 involved in the case anyway because these were people he 791 00:25:38,190 --> 00:25:40,150 because these were people he knew his whole life long. 792 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,930 Knew his whole life long. >> There was really no reason 793 00:25:42,930 --> 00:25:43,930 >> there was really no reason for him to have removed these 794 00:25:43,930 --> 00:25:49,660 for him to have removed these things from the laboratory. 795 00:25:49,670 --> 00:25:52,410 Things from the laboratory. We were arguing that this 796 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:53,030 we were arguing that this evidence had in all likelihood 797 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,910 evidence had in all likelihood been tampered with and quite 798 00:25:56,910 --> 00:25:57,550 been tampered with and quite conceivably that Mrs. Edwards' 799 00:25:57,540 --> 00:25:58,070 conceivably that Mrs. Edwards' blood had been put on the 800 00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:58,340 blood had been put on the garments. 801 00:25:58,340 --> 00:25:58,940 Garments. >> It would now be up to the 802 00:25:58,940 --> 00:25:59,540 >> it would now be up to the judge to rule whether or not 803 00:25:59,540 --> 00:26:02,910 judge to rule whether or not elmore deserved a new trial. 804 00:26:02,910 --> 00:26:04,180 Elmore deserved a new trial. The decision would take four 805 00:26:04,180 --> 00:26:07,680 the decision would take four months to come down. 806 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:18,190 Months to come down. >> We presented all this great 807 00:26:18,190 --> 00:26:18,690 >> we presented all this great evidence. 808 00:26:18,690 --> 00:26:19,120 Evidence. We're very excited. 809 00:26:19,130 --> 00:26:19,460 We're very excited. We're stoked. 810 00:26:19,460 --> 00:26:20,090 We're stoked. Then comes the judge's order and 811 00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:20,740 then comes the judge's order and the cover letter said Edward Lee 812 00:26:20,730 --> 00:26:25,700 the cover letter said Edward Lee elmore may well not be guilty, 813 00:26:25,700 --> 00:26:26,200 elmore may well not be guilty, but that will be for an 814 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,900 but that will be for an appellate court to find. 815 00:26:28,900 --> 00:26:31,440 Appellate court to find. >> Judge kinard had left 816 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:32,170 >> judge kinard had left elmore's fate up to other judges 817 00:26:32,170 --> 00:26:32,670 elmore's fate up to other judges to decide. 818 00:26:32,670 --> 00:26:33,170 To decide. >> I became literally 819 00:26:33,180 --> 00:26:35,920 >> I became literally hysterical, completely sobbing. 820 00:26:35,910 --> 00:26:36,680 Hysterical, completely sobbing. Running, I threw it at John 821 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:43,920 running, I threw it at John blume. 822 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:44,550 Blume. What the hell is the matter with 823 00:26:44,550 --> 00:26:50,460 what the hell is the matter with you? 824 00:26:50,460 --> 00:26:51,020 You? >> John blume had assigned 825 00:26:51,030 --> 00:26:51,620 >> John blume had assigned elmore's case to Diana as an 826 00:26:51,630 --> 00:26:51,860 elmore's case to Diana as an intern. 827 00:26:51,860 --> 00:26:52,260 Intern. >> I was stunned. 828 00:26:52,260 --> 00:26:52,860 >> I was stunned. I had really expected that he 829 00:26:52,860 --> 00:26:56,930 I had really expected that he would Grant relief because they 830 00:26:56,930 --> 00:26:57,560 would Grant relief because they had presented a compelling case 831 00:26:57,570 --> 00:26:58,700 had presented a compelling case of Mr. Elmore's innocence. 832 00:26:58,700 --> 00:26:59,300 Of Mr. Elmore's innocence. >> Diana was discovering that 833 00:26:59,300 --> 00:26:59,930 >> Diana was discovering that proving Mr. Elmore's innocence 834 00:26:59,940 --> 00:27:01,440 proving Mr. Elmore's innocence was not enough. 835 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:02,030 Was not enough. To get a new trial, elmore's 836 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,400 to get a new trial, elmore's team would have to prove that 837 00:27:05,410 --> 00:27:06,410 team would have to prove that elmore's constitutional rights 838 00:27:06,410 --> 00:27:07,410 elmore's constitutional rights had been violated. 839 00:27:07,410 --> 00:27:08,170 Had been violated. >> A person can be innocent but 840 00:27:08,180 --> 00:27:08,740 >> a person can be innocent but as long as they get a fair 841 00:27:08,740 --> 00:27:09,270 as long as they get a fair trial, that's all they're 842 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:15,910 trial, that's all they're entitled to. 843 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:16,520 Entitled to. Well, that begs the question. 844 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:17,180 Well, that begs the question. Is it a fair trial if somebody 845 00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:23,930 is it a fair trial if somebody has lied? 846 00:27:23,930 --> 00:27:26,200 Has lied? >> Diana's team immediately 847 00:27:26,190 --> 00:27:31,160 >> Diana's team immediately appealed judge kinard's decision 848 00:27:31,170 --> 00:27:31,760 appealed judge kinard's decision to the south Carolina supreme 849 00:27:31,770 --> 00:27:36,200 to the south Carolina supreme court. 850 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:36,840 Court. But in the meantime, the state 851 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:37,470 but in the meantime, the state prosecutor, Donald Zelenka had 852 00:27:37,470 --> 00:27:39,170 prosecutor, Donald Zelenka had discovered that Diana had a 853 00:27:39,170 --> 00:27:39,770 discovered that Diana had a secret that if exposed could 854 00:27:39,780 --> 00:27:40,380 secret that if exposed could destroy her career and damage 855 00:27:40,380 --> 00:27:44,690 destroy her career and damage elmore's case. 856 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:45,240 Elmore's case. He would soon call her to a 857 00:27:45,250 --> 00:27:45,910 he would soon call her to a deposition. 858 00:27:45,910 --> 00:27:46,680 Deposition. >> Donald Zelenka asked have you 859 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:47,450 >> Donald Zelenka asked have you ever done anything in the course 860 00:27:47,450 --> 00:27:49,180 ever done anything in the course of your life that would reflect 861 00:27:49,180 --> 00:27:49,820 of your life that would reflect poorly on the legal profession? 862 00:27:49,820 --> 00:27:58,420 Poorly on the legal profession? And I said yes. 863 00:27:58,430 --> 00:28:08,900 And I said yes. >>> While edwa 864 00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:09,500 >>> while edwa on death row, waiting for his 865 00:28:09,500 --> 00:28:10,170 on death row, waiting for his appeal to move forward, Diana 866 00:28:10,170 --> 00:28:10,900 appeal to move forward, Diana holt took on other death penalty 867 00:28:10,910 --> 00:28:17,180 holt took on other death penalty cases. 868 00:28:17,180 --> 00:28:17,780 Cases. In one she was able to get a 869 00:28:17,780 --> 00:28:18,380 in one she was able to get a last-minute stay of execution 870 00:28:18,380 --> 00:28:18,880 last-minute stay of execution over the objections of 871 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:19,450 over the objections of assistant Attorney General 872 00:28:19,450 --> 00:28:25,380 assistant Attorney General Donald Zelenka. 873 00:28:25,390 --> 00:28:25,920 Donald Zelenka. Zelenka was determined to 874 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:26,390 Zelenka was determined to discredit Diana. 875 00:28:26,390 --> 00:28:27,150 Discredit Diana. He dug through her past looking 876 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:35,400 he dug through her past looking for anything to get her off the 877 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:35,890 for anything to get her off the case. 878 00:28:35,900 --> 00:28:36,530 Case. In April 2000, he called her to 879 00:28:36,530 --> 00:28:36,860 in April 2000, he called her to a deposition. 880 00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:37,410 A deposition. >> It was at the attorney 881 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:37,800 >> it was at the attorney general's office. 882 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,700 General's office. There were six attorneys across 883 00:28:41,700 --> 00:28:42,300 there were six attorneys across the table from me and all of 884 00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:43,900 the table from me and all of them lined up like this. 885 00:28:43,910 --> 00:28:44,910 Them lined up like this. Looking. 886 00:28:44,910 --> 00:28:55,880 Looking. Don Zelenka asked have you ever 887 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:56,520 Don Zelenka asked have you ever done anything in the course of 888 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:57,120 done anything in the course of your life that would reflect 889 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:57,750 your life that would reflect poorly on the legal profession? 890 00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:58,120 Poorly on the legal profession? And I said yes. 891 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:04,390 And I said yes. >> Diana feared that if her 892 00:29:04,390 --> 00:29:04,990 >> Diana feared that if her story became public, it would 893 00:29:04,990 --> 00:29:05,620 story became public, it would ruin her reputation and destroy 894 00:29:05,630 --> 00:29:06,190 ruin her reputation and destroy elmore's chances for a new 895 00:29:06,190 --> 00:29:15,900 elmore's chances for a new trial. 896 00:29:15,900 --> 00:29:16,540 Trial. In 1975 at the age of 17, Diana 897 00:29:16,540 --> 00:29:17,170 in 1975 at the age of 17, Diana ran away to New Orleans with a 898 00:29:17,170 --> 00:29:20,640 ran away to New Orleans with a few friends. 899 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:21,170 Few friends. >> It was a horrible time. 900 00:29:21,180 --> 00:29:21,810 >> It was a horrible time. My sister had been taken away by 901 00:29:21,810 --> 00:29:26,150 my sister had been taken away by the state of Texas. 902 00:29:26,150 --> 00:29:26,780 The state of Texas. It had to do with sexual abuse 903 00:29:26,780 --> 00:29:27,150 it had to do with sexual abuse that I suffered. 904 00:29:27,150 --> 00:29:27,410 That I suffered. I was 17. 905 00:29:27,420 --> 00:29:28,060 I was 17. I didn't know how to deal with 906 00:29:28,050 --> 00:29:36,160 I didn't know how to deal with stuff like that. 907 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:36,420 Stuff like that. So I left. 908 00:29:36,420 --> 00:29:36,960 So I left. I met these three people. 909 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:37,690 I met these three people. Went to New Orleans with them 910 00:29:37,690 --> 00:29:40,190 went to New Orleans with them and after a little bit, I wanted 911 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,400 and after a little bit, I wanted to go home. 912 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:42,960 To go home. I didn't have any money and 913 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,900 I didn't have any money and there was a plan. 914 00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:47,170 There was a plan. So I went to the French quarter, 915 00:29:47,170 --> 00:29:49,900 so I went to the French quarter, started talking to this guy. 916 00:29:49,910 --> 00:29:50,910 Started talking to this guy. And the ruse was that I would 917 00:29:50,910 --> 00:29:57,680 and the ruse was that I would exchange sex for money. 918 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:58,310 Exchange sex for money. We left bourbon street together, 919 00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:59,910 we left bourbon street together, got in his car and one of the 920 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:01,920 got in his car and one of the two guys came in. 921 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,650 Two guys came in. He got on the passenger side. 922 00:30:03,650 --> 00:30:06,890 He got on the passenger side. I was scrunched in the middle. 923 00:30:06,890 --> 00:30:07,650 I was scrunched in the middle. >> Diana's friend pulled a gun 924 00:30:07,660 --> 00:30:08,890 >> Diana's friend pulled a gun and demanded money. 925 00:30:08,890 --> 00:30:16,930 And demanded money. The driver gave them $60. 926 00:30:16,930 --> 00:30:17,560 The driver gave them $60. They jumped out of the car and 927 00:30:17,570 --> 00:30:17,730 they jumped out of the car and ran. 928 00:30:17,730 --> 00:30:18,330 Ran. >> Made it about three blocks. 929 00:30:18,330 --> 00:30:18,960 >> Made it about three blocks. Pulled over by the New Orleans 930 00:30:18,970 --> 00:30:19,570 pulled over by the New Orleans police department, up against 931 00:30:19,570 --> 00:30:20,670 police department, up against the wall. 932 00:30:20,670 --> 00:30:21,670 The wall. The victim was a u.S. Marshal. 933 00:30:21,670 --> 00:30:26,940 The victim was a u.S. Marshal. It's like dumb and dumber a 934 00:30:26,940 --> 00:30:27,240 it's like dumb and dumber a little bit. 935 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,170 Little bit. What do you expect from an air 936 00:30:28,180 --> 00:30:30,640 what do you expect from an air head 17-year-old. 937 00:30:30,650 --> 00:30:32,920 Head 17-year-old. I pled guilty to armed robbery 938 00:30:32,910 --> 00:30:37,150 I pled guilty to armed robbery and off I went to the Louisiana 939 00:30:37,150 --> 00:30:37,720 and off I went to the Louisiana correctional institute for 940 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,420 correctional institute for women. 941 00:30:41,420 --> 00:30:42,420 Women. One day, the prosecutor in my 942 00:30:42,420 --> 00:30:45,890 one day, the prosecutor in my case came to the prison to visit 943 00:30:45,890 --> 00:30:48,160 case came to the prison to visit and he said, I just want you to 944 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:54,430 and he said, I just want you to know that you don't have to be 945 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,170 know that you don't have to be what you did that day, and you 946 00:30:57,170 --> 00:30:59,640 what you did that day, and you can make it, and you can be 947 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:00,410 can make it, and you can be somebody. 948 00:31:00,410 --> 00:31:15,150 Somebody. And I'm still -- why wouldn't 949 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:15,720 and I'm still -- why wouldn't every prosecutor want to do 950 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:24,930 every prosecutor want to do that? 951 00:31:24,930 --> 00:31:25,560 That? >> Diana began studying in the 952 00:31:25,570 --> 00:31:26,160 >> Diana began studying in the prison's law library, 953 00:31:26,170 --> 00:31:26,900 prison's law library, researching cases of fellow 954 00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:27,530 researching cases of fellow inmates and sending letters to 955 00:31:27,540 --> 00:31:28,940 inmates and sending letters to the presiding judges. 956 00:31:28,940 --> 00:31:31,900 The presiding judges. She even had one woman's 957 00:31:31,910 --> 00:31:32,400 she even had one woman's sentence reduced. 958 00:31:32,410 --> 00:31:33,410 Sentence reduced. >> Doing the few things that did 959 00:31:33,410 --> 00:31:35,670 >> doing the few things that did that made an impact, I want more 960 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:36,480 that made an impact, I want more of that. 961 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:37,910 Of that. I want to do more of that. 962 00:31:37,910 --> 00:31:38,910 I want to do more of that. I want to help people like that. 963 00:31:38,910 --> 00:31:40,650 I want to help people like that. >> A model prisoner, Diana was 964 00:31:40,650 --> 00:31:44,880 >> a model prisoner, Diana was released in 1977 with a full 965 00:31:44,890 --> 00:31:46,420 released in 1977 with a full pardon. 966 00:31:46,420 --> 00:31:47,920 Pardon. The whole episode became a 967 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,160 the whole episode became a distant memory until Donald 968 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,660 distant memory until Donald Zelenka confronted her with it 969 00:31:52,660 --> 00:31:54,390 Zelenka confronted her with it nearly 25 years later. 970 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,400 Nearly 25 years later. >> I was like, you know what? 971 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:56,900 >> I was like, you know what? You opened the door. 972 00:31:56,900 --> 00:31:57,400 You opened the door. I'm walking through it. 973 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,400 I'm walking through it. Let's do this. 974 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:00,930 Let's do this. I'm going to tell it all. 975 00:32:00,940 --> 00:32:01,530 I'm going to tell it all. Not just the part you want to 976 00:32:01,540 --> 00:32:04,400 not just the part you want to hear. 977 00:32:04,410 --> 00:32:05,000 Hear. >> But the judge in the case, 978 00:32:05,010 --> 00:32:06,910 >> but the judge in the case, visibly disgusted by Zelenka's 979 00:32:06,910 --> 00:32:07,410 visibly disgusted by Zelenka's tactic, disallowed the 980 00:32:07,410 --> 00:32:10,180 tactic, disallowed the deposition. 981 00:32:10,180 --> 00:32:10,810 Deposition. Diana could continue her fight 982 00:32:10,810 --> 00:32:16,180 Diana could continue her fight for elmore's life. 983 00:32:16,180 --> 00:32:17,420 For elmore's life. At elmore's trial, prosecutor 984 00:32:17,420 --> 00:32:18,920 at elmore's trial, prosecutor Willie t. Had claimed that 985 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:19,650 Willie t. Had claimed that negroid hair had been found on 986 00:32:19,650 --> 00:32:21,890 negroid hair had been found on the body. 987 00:32:21,890 --> 00:32:23,660 The body. When the petition had asked to 988 00:32:23,660 --> 00:32:25,160 when the petition had asked to see the hair it had gone 989 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,660 see the hair it had gone missing. 990 00:32:26,660 --> 00:32:28,160 Missing. Now 16 years later, the hair 991 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,400 now 16 years later, the hair suddenly turned up. 992 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:30,930 Suddenly turned up. >> The prosecution has an 993 00:32:30,930 --> 00:32:34,900 >> the prosecution has an obligation to turn over to the 994 00:32:34,900 --> 00:32:35,430 obligation to turn over to the defense anything which is 995 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,170 defense anything which is favorable. 996 00:32:37,170 --> 00:32:38,400 Favorable. In this case, they didn't do it 997 00:32:38,410 --> 00:32:40,170 in this case, they didn't do it at the time of trial. 998 00:32:40,180 --> 00:32:40,820 At the time of trial. >> As it turns out, none of the 999 00:32:40,810 --> 00:32:44,410 >> as it turns out, none of the hairs were negroid at all. 1000 00:32:44,410 --> 00:32:45,010 Hairs were negroid at all. They were all Caucasian hair, 1001 00:32:45,010 --> 00:32:46,180 they were all Caucasian hair, and they did not belong to Mr. 1002 00:32:46,180 --> 00:32:47,180 And they did not belong to Mr. elmore. 1003 00:32:47,180 --> 00:32:51,920 Elmore. >> And that should be sufficient 1004 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:52,420 >> and that should be sufficient to warrant a new trial. 1005 00:32:52,420 --> 00:32:53,920 To warrant a new trial. >> We got all excited. 1006 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:54,650 >> We got all excited. Asked for the judge to set a 1007 00:32:54,660 --> 00:32:57,160 asked for the judge to set a hearing. 1008 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,160 Hearing. It was December 20th or 21st. 1009 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,930 It was December 20th or 21st. We were going to have Christmas 1010 00:33:01,930 --> 00:33:09,170 we were going to have Christmas beyond all christmases. 1011 00:33:09,170 --> 00:33:12,140 Beyond all christmases. >> On December 21st, 2000, a new 1012 00:33:12,140 --> 00:33:15,170 >> on December 21st, 2000, a new hearing was held. 1013 00:33:15,180 --> 00:33:16,680 Hearing was held. If a new trial were to be 1014 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:17,910 if a new trial were to be granted, elmore could be 1015 00:33:17,910 --> 00:33:18,640 granted, elmore could be released on bail and join his 1016 00:33:18,650 --> 00:33:21,650 released on bail and join his family for the holidays after 1017 00:33:21,650 --> 00:33:24,920 family for the holidays after more than 18 years on death row. 1018 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,150 More than 18 years on death row. >> All rise. 1019 00:33:26,150 --> 00:33:27,420 >> All rise. >> Judge Ernest kinard again 1020 00:33:27,420 --> 00:33:29,390 >> judge Ernest kinard again presided, the same judge who hat 1021 00:33:29,390 --> 00:33:34,690 presided, the same judge who hat stated that elmore may well not 1022 00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:35,890 stated that elmore may well not be guilty. 1023 00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:37,430 Be guilty. >> Lab corps has sent US a 1024 00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:38,430 >> lab corps has sent US a report indicating there are 1025 00:33:38,430 --> 00:33:40,930 report indicating there are hairs from someone other than 1026 00:33:40,940 --> 00:33:41,580 hairs from someone other than Dorothy Edwards and there were 1027 00:33:41,570 --> 00:33:42,030 Dorothy Edwards and there were no hairs of anyone of 1028 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,440 no hairs of anyone of African-American descent. 1029 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,440 African-American descent. >> He acknowledged the evidence 1030 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:48,670 >> he acknowledged the evidence should have been given to the 1031 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,180 should have been given to the defense but argued only one of 1032 00:33:50,180 --> 00:33:50,810 defense but argued only one of the hairs had sufficient DNA to 1033 00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:51,010 the hairs had sufficient DNA to read. 1034 00:33:51,010 --> 00:33:53,180 Read. >> We do not dispute the 1035 00:33:53,180 --> 00:33:54,410 >> we do not dispute the materials recovered from the 1036 00:33:54,420 --> 00:33:55,910 materials recovered from the victim's body at the time of the 1037 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,420 victim's body at the time of the autopsy. 1038 00:33:57,420 --> 00:33:58,920 Autopsy. One hair, not hairs. 1039 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,150 One hair, not hairs. One hair. 1040 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,390 One hair. >> It was merely another hair in 1041 00:34:03,390 --> 00:34:03,690 >> it was merely another hair in the bedroom. 1042 00:34:03,690 --> 00:34:04,160 The bedroom. Of Mrs. Edwards. 1043 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,160 Of Mrs. Edwards. This is a completely different 1044 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,390 this is a completely different case than what the jury heard. 1045 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,670 Case than what the jury heard. In the final analysis, the 1046 00:34:09,660 --> 00:34:10,900 in the final analysis, the question really is if not now, 1047 00:34:10,900 --> 00:34:12,660 question really is if not now, when? 1048 00:34:12,670 --> 00:34:16,170 When? If this is not enough to Grant 1049 00:34:16,170 --> 00:34:16,800 if this is not enough to Grant somebody a new trial, then when 1050 00:34:16,810 --> 00:34:17,450 somebody a new trial, then when is post conviction relief ever 1051 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,910 is post conviction relief ever appropriate? 1052 00:34:19,910 --> 00:34:20,510 Appropriate? >> Unexpectedly, rather than 1053 00:34:20,510 --> 00:34:21,170 >> unexpectedly, rather than adjourn and read the filings 1054 00:34:21,180 --> 00:34:27,180 adjourn and read the filings before ruling, the judge issued 1055 00:34:27,180 --> 00:34:27,710 before ruling, the judge issued his decision on the spot. 1056 00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:30,190 His decision on the spot. >> All motions are denied. 1057 00:34:30,190 --> 00:34:30,830 >> All motions are denied. >> The judge said, one hair is 1058 00:34:30,820 --> 00:34:35,190 >> the judge said, one hair is not enough. 1059 00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:37,920 Not enough. I'm out of here. 1060 00:34:37,930 --> 00:34:38,520 I'm out of here. >> In this case, there are a 1061 00:34:38,530 --> 00:34:39,160 >> in this case, there are a number of things that stink and 1062 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:39,790 number of things that stink and if you look at it as a whole, it 1063 00:34:39,790 --> 00:34:46,670 if you look at it as a whole, it doesn't just stink, it reeks. 1064 00:34:46,670 --> 00:34:47,930 Doesn't just stink, it reeks. >> An execution date was set for 1065 00:34:47,940 --> 00:34:49,170 >> an execution date was set for elmore. 1066 00:34:49,170 --> 00:34:50,940 Elmore. He was placed in a high security 1067 00:34:50,940 --> 00:34:52,900 he was placed in a high security lockdown cell while awaiting his 1068 00:34:52,910 --> 00:34:59,140 lockdown cell while awaiting his date with the electric chair. 1069 00:34:59,150 --> 00:34:59,710 Date with the electric chair. Now a mere three weeks away. 1070 00:34:59,710 --> 00:35:00,350 Now a mere three weeks away. >> I tried my hardest to get him 1071 00:35:00,350 --> 00:35:04,150 >> I tried my hardest to get him ready for it. 1072 00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:11,160 Ready for it. And he called me one day and he 1073 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,660 and he called me one day and he said, are they going to kill me? 1074 00:35:13,660 --> 00:35:15,460 Said, are they going to kill me? I think I told him in the most 1075 00:35:15,460 --> 00:35:16,660 I think I told him in the most simple terms I could tell him 1076 00:35:16,660 --> 00:35:22,170 simple terms I could tell him that they were going to have to 1077 00:35:22,170 --> 00:35:34,380 that they were going to have to take me out first. 1078 00:35:34,380 --> 00:35:37,620 Take me out first. >>> After 22 years on death row, 1079 00:35:37,620 --> 00:35:39,550 >>> after 22 years on death row, Edward elmore was in lockdown, a 1080 00:35:39,550 --> 00:35:40,720 Edward elmore was in lockdown, a special holding cell for inmates 1081 00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:43,620 special holding cell for inmates awaiting execution. 1082 00:35:43,630 --> 00:35:45,270 Awaiting execution. With only 23 days to go, Diana 1083 00:35:45,260 --> 00:35:46,360 with only 23 days to go, Diana filed a last-minute appeal and 1084 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,430 filed a last-minute appeal and got a stay of execution. 1085 00:35:48,430 --> 00:35:49,190 Got a stay of execution. But this was only a temporary 1086 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,230 but this was only a temporary solution. 1087 00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:53,530 Solution. If elmore was to survive, they 1088 00:35:53,540 --> 00:35:57,380 if elmore was to survive, they would need a new strategy. 1089 00:35:57,370 --> 00:35:58,940 Would need a new strategy. >> The supreme court issued a 1090 00:35:58,940 --> 00:36:01,610 >> the supreme court issued a landmark death penalty decision. 1091 00:36:01,610 --> 00:36:03,410 Landmark death penalty decision. >> And a supreme court decision 1092 00:36:03,410 --> 00:36:04,380 >> and a supreme court decision from 2002 gave them an 1093 00:36:04,380 --> 00:36:06,310 from 2002 gave them an opportunity. 1094 00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:07,550 Opportunity. >> In a stunning reversal of 1095 00:36:07,550 --> 00:36:12,520 >> in a stunning reversal of course, the u.S. Supreme court 1096 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,150 course, the u.S. Supreme court today ruled executing mentally 1097 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:15,620 today ruled executing mentally disabled criminals is 1098 00:36:15,620 --> 00:36:16,020 disabled criminals is unconstitutional. 1099 00:36:16,020 --> 00:36:16,760 Unconstitutional. >> The question was whether 1100 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:17,460 >> the question was whether elmore was in fact mentally 1101 00:36:17,460 --> 00:36:18,090 elmore was in fact mentally disabled. 1102 00:36:18,090 --> 00:36:19,190 Disabled. >> He was tested. 1103 00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:25,260 >> He was tested. And the state department of 1104 00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:26,330 and the state department of disabilities and special needs 1105 00:36:26,330 --> 00:36:27,370 disabilities and special needs that finds Edward Lee elmore is 1106 00:36:27,370 --> 00:36:28,700 that finds Edward Lee elmore is mentally retarded. 1107 00:36:28,700 --> 00:36:29,570 Mentally retarded. >> Elmore's death sentence was 1108 00:36:29,570 --> 00:36:32,400 >> elmore's death sentence was commuted to life in prison. 1109 00:36:32,410 --> 00:36:33,870 Commuted to life in prison. After nearly 28 years, elmore 1110 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,250 after nearly 28 years, elmore was finally leaving death row. 1111 00:36:37,250 --> 00:36:40,090 Was finally leaving death row. 1112 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:40,680 Sorry, that's exactly what I 1113 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,280 sorry, that's exactly what I did. 1114 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,750 Did. I get Mr. Elmore on the phone. 1115 00:36:44,750 --> 00:36:45,350 I get Mr. Elmore on the phone. I say hey, you're going to be 1116 00:36:45,350 --> 00:36:47,190 I say hey, you're going to be leaving death row. 1117 00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:48,720 Leaving death row. I'm not going to die? 1118 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:53,230 I'm not going to die? No, well, not there. 1119 00:36:53,230 --> 00:36:54,660 No, well, not there. >> Elmore's life had been 1120 00:36:54,660 --> 00:36:55,790 >> elmore's life had been spared. 1121 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:56,830 Spared. But Diana hadn't fought for 1122 00:36:56,830 --> 00:36:57,530 but Diana hadn't fought for years to see elmore die behind 1123 00:36:57,530 --> 00:37:00,170 years to see elmore die behind bars. 1124 00:37:00,170 --> 00:37:01,270 Bars. Her team had one last hope to 1125 00:37:01,270 --> 00:37:04,340 her team had one last hope to get him a new trial. 1126 00:37:04,340 --> 00:37:06,300 Get him a new trial. The u.S. 4th circuit court of 1127 00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:07,910 the u.S. 4th circuit court of appeals would be the highest 1128 00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:08,710 appeals would be the highest court ever to hear elmore's 1129 00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:10,880 court ever to hear elmore's case. 1130 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,010 Case. >> The 4th circuit has the 1131 00:37:12,010 --> 00:37:13,410 >> the 4th circuit has the reputation of being the most 1132 00:37:13,410 --> 00:37:14,180 reputation of being the most conservative federal appellate 1133 00:37:14,180 --> 00:37:15,880 conservative federal appellate court in the country. 1134 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,320 Court in the country. So we felt our chances of 1135 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,350 so we felt our chances of prevailing were very slight. 1136 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,130 Prevailing were very slight. >> In yet another face-off with 1137 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:27,390 >> in yet another face-off with Donald Zelenka, the court's 1138 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:28,540 Donald Zelenka, the court's three-judge panel heard 1139 00:37:28,530 --> 00:37:29,190 three-judge panel heard oral arguments in September of 1140 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,100 oral arguments in September of 2010, and remarkably, they came 1141 00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:32,160 2010, and remarkably, they came down hard on Zelenka. 1142 00:37:32,170 --> 00:37:33,370 Down hard on Zelenka. >> The time of death, we were 1143 00:37:33,370 --> 00:37:35,070 >> the time of death, we were locking it down because the 1144 00:37:35,070 --> 00:37:35,970 locking it down because the defendant was seen at 9:30 1145 00:37:35,970 --> 00:37:38,500 defendant was seen at 9:30 headed that direction. 1146 00:37:38,510 --> 00:37:39,970 Headed that direction. >> Locking down the time of 1147 00:37:39,970 --> 00:37:40,570 >> locking down the time of death based on what his alibi 1148 00:37:40,580 --> 00:37:41,120 death based on what his alibi was. 1149 00:37:41,110 --> 00:37:41,740 Was. I thought you locked down time 1150 00:37:41,740 --> 00:37:45,110 I thought you locked down time of death by science. 1151 00:37:45,110 --> 00:37:46,610 Of death by science. >> The judges have moral 1152 00:37:46,610 --> 00:37:48,280 >> the judges have moral righteous indignation in their 1153 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,710 righteous indignation in their voices and what they're saying. 1154 00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:51,950 Voices and what they're saying. >> You put in evidence there was 1155 00:37:51,950 --> 00:37:53,220 >> you put in evidence there was hairs found on the bed there was 1156 00:37:53,220 --> 00:37:53,820 hairs found on the bed there was a big part of the conviction? 1157 00:37:53,820 --> 00:37:54,750 A big part of the conviction? >> Yes, it was. 1158 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:59,990 >> Yes, it was. >> Not one photograph was taken 1159 00:37:59,990 --> 00:38:01,790 >> not one photograph was taken of the bed where these hairs 1160 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:02,360 of the bed where these hairs supposedly were. 1161 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:02,930 Supposedly were. Does that make sense to you? 1162 00:38:02,930 --> 00:38:03,400 Does that make sense to you? >> Well, I don't know. 1163 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,000 >> Well, I don't know. >> Do you think that makes a 1164 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:04,630 >> do you think that makes a difference now that we know he 1165 00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:05,100 difference now that we know he is mentally retarded? 1166 00:38:05,100 --> 00:38:05,530 Is mentally retarded? >> No, not at all. 1167 00:38:05,530 --> 00:38:06,160 >> No, not at all. >> In this case, this is just a 1168 00:38:06,170 --> 00:38:08,100 >> in this case, this is just a constellation of problems. 1169 00:38:08,100 --> 00:38:09,530 Constellation of problems. >> Even though the judges seem 1170 00:38:09,540 --> 00:38:11,140 >> even though the judges seem to be raising some serious 1171 00:38:11,140 --> 00:38:12,570 to be raising some serious questions, I came out of the 1172 00:38:12,570 --> 00:38:14,440 questions, I came out of the argument feeling negative about 1173 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,210 argument feeling negative about our prospects. 1174 00:38:16,210 --> 00:38:18,010 Our prospects. I didn't think the court had 1175 00:38:18,010 --> 00:38:18,740 I didn't think the court had much incentive to overturn his 1176 00:38:18,750 --> 00:38:20,510 much incentive to overturn his conviction. 1177 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:21,290 Conviction. >> We didn't hear anything for 1178 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,550 >> we didn't hear anything for month after month. 1179 00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:25,280 Month after month. 14 months went by. 1180 00:38:25,290 --> 00:38:27,350 14 months went by. And then I get an e-mail in my 1181 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,930 and then I get an e-mail in my inbox. 1182 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,060 Inbox. Heart stops. 1183 00:38:31,060 --> 00:38:34,260 Heart stops. I start hyperventilating. 1184 00:38:34,260 --> 00:38:36,860 I start hyperventilating. I clicked on it, and the opinion 1185 00:38:36,860 --> 00:38:40,670 I clicked on it, and the opinion is 190-something pages long. 1186 00:38:40,670 --> 00:38:42,530 Is 190-something pages long. And where is the good part? 1187 00:38:42,540 --> 00:38:44,240 And where is the good part? >> The most conservative 1188 00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:45,870 >> the most conservative appellate court in the nation 1189 00:38:45,870 --> 00:38:47,870 appellate court in the nation had ruled 2-1 that elmore 1190 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,320 had ruled 2-1 that elmore deserved a new trial. 1191 00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:51,440 Deserved a new trial. >> Everyone in the death penalty 1192 00:38:51,450 --> 00:38:53,140 >> everyone in the death penalty community, what happened? 1193 00:38:53,150 --> 00:38:53,850 Community, what happened? We don't win like that, and not 1194 00:38:53,850 --> 00:38:56,580 we don't win like that, and not there. 1195 00:38:56,580 --> 00:38:58,420 There. But we did. 1196 00:38:58,420 --> 00:39:00,520 But we did. >> The state was reluctant to 1197 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:01,990 >> the state was reluctant to retry the case, knowing the 1198 00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:03,420 retry the case, knowing the evidence the defense had 1199 00:39:03,420 --> 00:39:04,620 evidence the defense had unearthed could implicate both 1200 00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:06,570 unearthed could implicate both police and prosecutors. 1201 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:07,590 Police and prosecutors. So they offered elmore a plea 1202 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,240 so they offered elmore a plea bargain. 1203 00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:11,960 Bargain. >> And the prosecutor asked is 1204 00:39:11,970 --> 00:39:14,430 >> and the prosecutor asked is there anything short of outright 1205 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,440 there anything short of outright dismissal of all charges that we 1206 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,970 dismissal of all charges that we can do to settle this matter? 1207 00:39:19,970 --> 00:39:22,340 Can do to settle this matter? And I said in fact there is. 1208 00:39:22,340 --> 00:39:23,980 And I said in fact there is. He goes free at the bond 1209 00:39:23,980 --> 00:39:25,310 he goes free at the bond hearing, and he is going to 1210 00:39:25,310 --> 00:39:26,610 hearing, and he is going to continue to say the truth he 1211 00:39:26,610 --> 00:39:27,310 continue to say the truth he said all of these years, i'm 1212 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,190 said all of these years, i'm innocent. 1213 00:39:30,180 --> 00:39:32,680 Innocent. And the prosecutor said okay. 1214 00:39:32,690 --> 00:39:34,550 And the prosecutor said okay. >> But the plea required that 1215 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,260 >> but the plea required that elmore say in open court that 1216 00:39:36,260 --> 00:39:37,390 elmore say in open court that the state could likely prove 1217 00:39:37,390 --> 00:39:38,290 the state could likely prove their charges against him at a 1218 00:39:38,290 --> 00:39:40,730 their charges against him at a trial. 1219 00:39:40,730 --> 00:39:41,930 Trial. It wasn't the exoneration they 1220 00:39:41,930 --> 00:39:43,130 it wasn't the exoneration they were hoping for, but it would 1221 00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:44,930 were hoping for, but it would mean freedom. 1222 00:39:44,930 --> 00:39:46,000 Mean freedom. >> New tonight, he was once on 1223 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:46,730 >> new tonight, he was once on death row. 1224 00:39:46,730 --> 00:39:49,270 Death row. Now he is a free man. 1225 00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:50,240 Now he is a free man. After 30 years, Edward elmore 1226 00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:51,600 after 30 years, Edward elmore was released from prison today. 1227 00:39:51,610 --> 00:39:56,540 Was released from prison today. >> Thank the lord. 1228 00:39:56,540 --> 00:39:58,240 >> Thank the lord. Give me a minute. 1229 00:39:58,250 --> 00:39:58,880 Give me a minute. I'm a little overwhelmed right 1230 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:06,320 I'm a little overwhelmed right now. 1231 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,190 Now. Just so excited, I couldn't 1232 00:40:08,190 --> 00:40:09,090 just so excited, I couldn't hardly speak. 1233 00:40:09,090 --> 00:40:11,260 Hardly speak. Locked up all them years 1234 00:40:11,260 --> 00:40:13,160 locked up all them years something I didn't do, and comes 1235 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:17,230 something I didn't do, and comes along, she believed in me. 1236 00:40:17,230 --> 00:40:21,530 Along, she believed in me. >> Were you afraid of dying? 1237 00:40:21,540 --> 00:40:23,100 >> Were you afraid of dying? >> Not in a way, but like I say, 1238 00:40:23,100 --> 00:40:23,770 >> not in a way, but like I say, I knew the truth would 1239 00:40:23,770 --> 00:40:25,340 I knew the truth would eventually come out, right. 1240 00:40:25,340 --> 00:40:29,840 Eventually come out, right. That's kept me going. 1241 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:30,840 That's kept me going. It kept my faith right, and just 1242 00:40:30,850 --> 00:40:32,750 it kept my faith right, and just taking it one day at a time. 1243 00:40:32,750 --> 00:40:35,210 Taking it one day at a time. That's all you can do, you know, 1244 00:40:35,220 --> 00:40:35,880 that's all you can do, you know, and hope and pray that 1245 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,980 and hope and pray that everything come out all right. 1246 00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:39,490 Everything come out all right. >> Mr. Elmore had been 1247 00:40:39,490 --> 00:40:43,250 >> Mr. Elmore had been incarcerated for 11,000 days. 1248 00:40:43,260 --> 00:40:44,420 Incarcerated for 11,000 days. The judge told Mr. Elmore that 1249 00:40:44,430 --> 00:40:45,770 the judge told Mr. Elmore that he had exhausted his sentence 1250 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,790 he had exhausted his sentence and he was free to go. 1251 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:54,330 And he was free to go. You are free to go, Mr. Elmore. 1252 00:40:54,340 --> 00:40:55,810 You are free to go, Mr. Elmore. >> We could walk him out that 1253 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,240 >> we could walk him out that door of the courtroom and down 1254 00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:01,570 door of the courtroom and down those steps as a free man. 1255 00:41:01,580 --> 00:41:07,610 Those steps as a free man. And that was -- I'm sorry. 1256 00:41:07,620 --> 00:41:11,660 And that was -- I'm sorry. That was the best moment of my 1257 00:41:11,650 --> 00:41:17,760 that was the best moment of my life as an attorney. 1258 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,490 Life as an attorney. >> Elmore moved back in with his 1259 00:41:19,490 --> 00:41:22,190 >> elmore moved back in with his sister, and has begun the 1260 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,190 sister, and has begun the process of adjusting to a world 1261 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:23,960 process of adjusting to a world very different from the one he 1262 00:41:23,970 --> 00:41:26,010 very different from the one he left. 1263 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,800 Left. >> So much had changed, you 1264 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:28,400 >> so much had changed, you know, since -- trying to get 1265 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,340 know, since -- trying to get used to everything. 1266 00:41:31,340 --> 00:41:32,840 Used to everything. Still trying to adjust to 1267 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:33,940 still trying to adjust to things. 1268 00:41:33,940 --> 00:41:35,410 Things. It's so technical, right, phones 1269 00:41:35,410 --> 00:41:35,970 it's so technical, right, phones and computers and all that 1270 00:41:35,980 --> 00:41:38,540 and computers and all that stuff. 1271 00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:41,910 Stuff. It's really, really hard. 1272 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:42,580 It's really, really hard. I'm trying to learn how, you 1273 00:41:42,580 --> 00:41:43,080 I'm trying to learn how, you know. 1274 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,520 Know. I'm trying to cope with it. 1275 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,820 I'm trying to cope with it. >> Eddie's case taught me a lot 1276 00:41:47,820 --> 00:41:48,390 >> Eddie's case taught me a lot of things about our justice 1277 00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:50,490 of things about our justice system. 1278 00:41:50,490 --> 00:41:52,120 System. It taught me to be distrustful, 1279 00:41:52,130 --> 00:41:54,230 it taught me to be distrustful, skeptical. 1280 00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:54,960 Skeptical. Geography can make the 1281 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,460 geography can make the difference. 1282 00:41:56,460 --> 00:41:57,560 Difference. Money, of course. 1283 00:41:57,570 --> 00:42:00,710 Money, of course. Gender, of course. 1284 00:42:00,700 --> 00:42:01,870 Gender, of course. Race is the one that is just a 1285 00:42:01,870 --> 00:42:05,740 race is the one that is just a dagger to the heart. 1286 00:42:05,740 --> 00:42:06,470 Dagger to the heart. But it also taught me to never 1287 00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:08,570 but it also taught me to never give up on it. 1288 00:42:08,580 --> 00:42:11,240 Give up on it. That even 30 years later, 1289 00:42:11,250 --> 00:42:14,520 that even 30 years later, someone will listen. 1290 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:15,490 Someone will listen. As long as you don't give up, 1291 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:29,460 as long as you don't give up, justice is possible. 117244

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